No Batusi for Old Lounge

[Mr. Superhero]

Who is saying that mass murders are actually mass in of them self? Not everyone reported actually does anything just has suspicious activity. It would probably discourage kids from displaying signs of their frustration. Also from my experience it is mostly a cry for help and gets treated very seriously.

Also I should have said probably and it wouldn't have gotten you in such an argumentative mood; though I think you are just combing everything I say with a fine tooth come and getting ready to pounce.
I was wrong and based an assumption off ignorance; though I am not writing a thesis or turning this in so (shrug) oh well.
No, I was just wondering how you know that there are a small minority of well-educated students out there who want to, like, just kill everyone in sight.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[CaptainClown]

Well why is it so absurd to believe?

[JaD]

No, I was just wondering how you know that there are a small minority of well-educated students out there who want to, like, just kill everyone in sight.

Nothing more, nothing less.


well we all have our assumptions right?

i mean i can honestly say theres gonna be another case of a husband whos gonna kill his wife for whatever reason this year, is that a safe assumption

it happens pretty much all the time, a sad truth

[Mr. Superhero]

Well why is it so absurd to believe?
Because it's pretty unheard of. Teenagers don't think like that -- it wouldn't even cross as well-educated students mind, and the figures back this up.

It's like comparing a small minority of students to Patrick Bateman...

[-Crusher-]

ugh i cant sleep at all. whats up night owls?

[CaptainClown]

Because it's pretty unheard of. Teenagers don't think like that -- it wouldn't even cross as well-educated students mind, and the figures back this up.

It's like comparing a small minority of students to Patrick Bateman...
Really? dude I think of that stuff all the time. Now whether I am well educated or not is certainly debatable. Also I am no longer a teenager so I suppose I am neither in that demographic either.

[Mr. Superhero]

Really? dude I think of that stuff all the time. Now whether I am well educated or not is certainly debatable. Also I am no longer a teenager so I suppose I am neither in that demographic either.
What, you think about killing everyone?

[CaptainClown]

dude I would think your weird if you don't

[Mr. Superhero]

dude I would think your weird if you don't
Bye.

[CaptainClown]

well superhero scampered off.

[-Crusher-]

ummmmm, quite the debate you had going there..

[Mr. Superhero]

Sorry, it's just I feel slightly uncomfortable talking to someone who thinks about killing everyone on a regular basis.

[CaptainClown]

Yup oh well; I seem to be full functional. I even gave a sermon at my church once. Kind of fun to be that hypocritical.

[-Crusher-]

im going to have to take captains side on this, i feel its totally normal for everyone, of all demographics to have the thoughts or fantasies of murder, its whether we choose to act on those thoughts that is the deciding factor for people.

[Mr. Superhero]

How do you feel about business cards:

http://www.ventrian.com/Portals/0/Blog/BusinessCard/BusinessCard2.gif

[CaptainClown]

im going to have to take captains side on this, i feel its totally normal for everyone, of all demographics to have the thoughts or fantasies of murder, its whether we choose to act on those thoughts that is the deciding factor for people.
Exactly I know I am not the only one. My ex said she had fantasies of watching people drown. Kind of weird to hear but that was our cuddle talk.

[Mr. Superhero]

Exactly I know I am not the only one. My ex said she had fantasies of watching people drown. Kind of weird to hear but that was our cuddle talk.
So if I provided you with a gun; you would seriously consider killing someone?

[CaptainClown]

How do you feel about business cards:

http://www.ventrian.com/Portals/0/Blog/BusinessCard/BusinessCard2.gif
Actually I think that has too much color; but thats just me I like em black white and simple.

[JaD]

im going to have to take captains side on this, i feel its totally normal for everyone, of all demographics to have the thoughts or fantasies of murder, its whether we choose to act on those thoughts that is the deciding factor for people.


yea i think we all play enough video games to think like that at times

http://www.armchairempire.com/images/Reviews/Playstation2/killzone/killzone-4.jpg

[CaptainClown]

So if I provided you with a gun; you would seriously consider killing someone?

consider it for a moment then overall not do it. I have certainly come close at times but I have self control. It is not like people who have homicidal thoughts actually are killers.

[-Crusher-]

for me its usually choking or cutting someone. especially when im really pi**ed off. but i feel the fact i dont actually do it is what shows my mental status in society.

[-Crusher-]

consider it for a moment then overall not do it. I have certainly come close at times but I have self control. It is not like people who have homicidal thoughts actually are killers.


exactly! give me a gun and tell me to blow everyone in sight away? ill say f**k off psycho.

[JaD]

consider it for a moment then overall not do it. I have certainly come close at times but I have self control. It is not like people who have homicidal thoughts actually are killers.

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:hoboj:

[Mr. Superhero]

consider it for a moment then overall not do it. I have certainly come close at times but I have self control. It is not like people who have homicidal thoughts actually are killers.
All murderers consider it, and then they end up doing it.

You sound like a murderer who just hasn't been pushed far enough yet. There's a difference between a harmless concept of causing death and actually letting those thoughts affect your literal take on killing someone.

[CaptainClown]

Like I don't think everyone is like that; Superhero clearly is not. But there are probably a bunch of people who think like that.

[-Crusher-]

i find it normal to have thoughts of murder.

[JaD]

consider it for a moment then overall not do it. I have certainly come close at times but I have self control. It is not like people who have homicidal thoughts actually are killers.


id say ur avy fits u perfectly though CC, as i could never say anything like that or say that ive come close

(cough!)mods keep an eye on CC!(cough!)

[CaptainClown]

All murderers consider it, and then they end up doing it.

You sound like a murderer who just hasn't been pushed far enough yet. There's a difference between a harmless concept of causing death and actually letting those thoughts affect your literal take on killing someone.
Well I have gotten that far but learned to manage it. I just have different outlets to vent my frustration. Drawing, paint ball and video games to just name a few. Is it really hard to believe that I think like that just don't act on it? And not all murderers consider it; could be an act of passion. Who knows what their mind state is at the time but it certainly isn't pre-meditative.

[Mr. Superhero]

i find it normal to have thoughts of murder.
Anyone can create a conceptual murder in their mind -- it's not unusual. When we are angry at someone, we often think: "Oh, why can't he just die?"

Even I have had that feeling, but according to CaptainClown, if you provided him with a gun at THE WRONG TIME, then he would CONSIDER using it. He would let his fantasies of murder play into his decision.

Kind of creepy.

[CaptainClown]

id say ur avy fits u perfectly though CC, as i could never say anything like that or say that ive come close

(cough!)mods keep an eye on CC!(cough!)

hah; I can assure everybody I am quite harmless. I thought it was more common. I guess that was an over assumption cause that seemed to freak superhero right out.

[CaptainClown]

Anyone can create a conceptual murder in their minds -- it's not unusual. When we are angry at someone, we often think: "Oh, why can't he just die?"

Even I have had that feeling, but according to CaptainClown, if you provided him with a gun at THE WRONG TIME, then he would CONSIDER using it. He would let his fantasies of murder play into his decision.

Kind of creepy.
You wouldn't consider it? There is no skin head or gang member around where you live terrorizing your neighborhood? You never specified who I would consider killing. If you said my next door neighbor then no I wouldn't consider it. Now if you said the 18th street gang, then yes I would consider it.

[JaD]

i find it normal to have thoughts of murder.

when it comes to daily...hourly, fantasies dont u think that poses a problem?

i mean of course ive thought of shooting up some people or being in a shootout with police Heat-style, but that is strictly a somewhat sophomoric fantasy, and i dont think of it everyday

[-Crusher-]

lets just say everyone has their breaking point and that some peoples are shorter then others, thats totally normal aswell.

[Mr. Superhero]

You wouldn't consider it? There is no skin head or gang member around where you live terrorizing your neighborhood? You never specified who I would consider killing. If you said my next door neighbor then no I wouldn't consider it. Now if you said the 18th street gang, then yes I would consider it.
And that's exactly what a killer does. They hate people, and when given a chance to kill that person, they are willing to do so. All the makings of a murderer. You aren't exactly painting a pretty picture of yourself...

[CaptainClown]

when it comes to daily...hourly, fantasies dont u think that poses a problem?

i mean of course ive thought of shooting up some people or being in a shootout with police Heat-style, but that is strictly a somewhat sophomoric fantasy, and i dont think of it everyday

actually I like to think of Bank robbers without using guns. That seems to be much more challenging and fun in my head.

[Mr. Superhero]

when it comes to daily...hourly, fantasies dont u think that poses a problem?

i mean of course ive thought of shooting up some people or being in a shootout with police Heat-style, but that is strictly a somewhat sophomoric fantasy, and i dont think of it everyday
Well said, my friend.

[Mr. Superhero]

lets just say everyone has their breaking point and that some peoples are shorter then others, thats totally normal aswell.
I suppose that's a good enough excuse to get a murderer out of a life-long sentence, then? If you ask me; you've been watching way too many movies.

[CaptainClown]

And that's exactly what a killer does. They hate people, and when given a chance to kill that person, they are willing to do so. All the makings of a murderer. You aren't exactly painting a pretty picture of yourself...
Well I don't hate these people I just think it would be better off without them. I never said that killing is glorious, nor do I think its something everyone should do; but thats who I would consider. Also; whats going to happen... I am going to get kicked out of the cool table:csad: no more hanging out in the lounge :csad: Superhero you made me see the light! Everyone I was lying! I love puppies and hugs and kisses.

[JaD]

actually I like to think of Bank robbers without using guns. That seems to be much more challenging and fun in my head.

haha hmm how could we play that out hmm, learn some karate, drop-kick will fichtner? haha

[-Crusher-]

honestly i very highly doubt CC is a mass murderer.

although if he was, white face paint and a purple suit would be an awesome choice of uniform for a cold blooded psycho ;)

[Mr. Superhero]

Well I don't hate these people I just think it would be better off without them
So let's just kill 'em off, right? When you go to court; just say that every man has a breaking point and that will make everything alright, yes?

[-Crusher-]

superhero, your taking all this way to literally.

[CaptainClown]

So let's just kill 'em off, right? When you go to court; just say that every man has a breaking point and that will make everything alright, yes?

Thats why I wouldn't do it. I know there is nothing would come from it. You really are painting this picture out in my head that just because I would consider it in a moment in my head that I will eventually kill somebody. There are many terrible things that would happen after a death especially a shooting like that.

[Mr. Superhero]

superhero, your taking all this way to literally.
Not really -- just responding to the fact that if you met CaptainClown and he was feeling angry, and then you called him a d**k or something, and then you handed him a gun; he might just consider shooting you with it.

Nice guy.

[JaD]

So let's just kill 'em off, right? When you go to court; just say that every man has a breaking point and that will make everything alright, yes?

i see where ur title/sig comes from now ha

:woot:

[-Crusher-]

okay superherp, feel that way. then be thankful you only know him over a message board, you live nowhere near him, and move on.

[JaD]

CC is already holding a gun at us

look at his avy!

[CaptainClown]

superhero, your taking all this way to literally.

oh he is; the second I say I have homicidal thoughts he assumes I am john wayne gacy. I say I would consider killing a gangster, then I hate gangsters. If I said I have a penchant for purple suits and make up; then all of a sudden I am the J man.... a guy like me...who rakes up a 14k post......

[Mr. Superhero]

Thats why I wouldn't do it. I know there is nothing would come from it.
So what if something could come from it? Say, money-wise? Would you still "consider" it? Who knows; even your sick fantasies of literally causing death might affect your decision...

[CaptainClown]

okay superherp, feel that way. then be thankful you only know him over a message board, you live nowhere near him, and move on.

be careful... I might get mad at superhero and you know what happens when I get mad according to superheros logic... GRRRRRRRRRRR I am going to track him down and hack down his door... I AM MAD grrrrr

[Mr. Superhero]

oh he is; the second I say I have homicidal thoughts he assumes I am john wayne gacy. I say I would consider killing a gangster, then I hate gangsters. If I said I have a penchant for purple suits and make up; then all of a sudden I am the J man.... a guy like me...who rakes up a 14k post......
No, I'm just saying that you are very close to being a person who kills other people. You were the one who said that you would consider using a gun on someone, if you were in a foul mood.

I refer you to the example I made above.

[-Crusher-]

im sorry CC, im sorry, im really really sorry, just dont hurt me okay? im sorry....RUN SUPERHERO RUN!

[CaptainClown]

So what if something could come from it? Say, money-wise? Would you still "consider" it? Who knows; even your sick fantasies of literally causing death might affect your decision...
No nothing would come from it because it leads to more death. Every action has a reaction, and something like that has huge repercussions. Since you are a very literal guy I will say this

NO

[Mr. Superhero]

im sorry CC, im sorry, im really really sorry, just dont hurt me okay? im sorry....RUN SUPERHERO RUN!
I'm just making an assessment based on CaptainClown's self-imposed imagery. He sounds like a potential murderer to me; that is all I am saying...

[-Crusher-]

end of discussion? good lets move on, this is getting tiring.

[-Crusher-]

all of our opions are obviously not going to be changed here so lets just move on people

[CaptainClown]

No, I'm just saying that you are very close to being a person who kills other people. You were the one who said that you would consider using a gun on someone, if you were in a foul mood.

I refer you to the example I made above.
No I never mentioned my mood as one of the causes for me doing such a thing. You said mood. I said I would consider it but under my own circumstances that were in my head. You never specified and said something broad with your own criteria that you failed to mention.
im sorry CC, im sorry, im really really sorry, just dont hurt me okay? im sorry....RUN SUPERHERO RUN!
GRRR CAPTAINCLOWN ANGRY! quick someone offer me a gun so I can consider killing someone...

[Mr. Superhero]

No nothing would come from it because it leads to more death. Every action has a reaction, and something like that has huge repercussions. Since you are a very literal guy I will say this

NO
Here's a question for you:

If you have all these temptations and thoughts locked away, and since you weren't surprised by the school shootings; can you UNDERSTAND, from a personal viewpoint, why he killed all those people? Can you sympathize with him, because you seem to be very similar to what he was...

[CaptainClown]

I'm just making an assessment based on CaptainClown's self-imposed imagery. He sounds like a potential murderer to me; that is all I am saying...
thanks doc!

[JaD]

my God, what have i done, i bring up the violence in the Joker prologue/VT and now someones gonna end up missing

haha jk.......right?


right?


:ninja:

[JaD]

Here's a question for you:

If you have all these temptations and thoughts locked away, and since you weren't surprised by the school shootings; can you UNDERSTAND, from a personal viewpoint, why he killed all those people? Can you sympathize with him, because you seem to be very similar to what he was...


good question, i dont even know if i can touch that, not my cup of tea, thats for sure

and i for damn sure dont even drink tea

[CaptainClown]

Here's a question for you:

If you have all these temptations and thoughts locked away, and since you weren't surprised by the school shootings; can you UNDERSTAND, from a personal viewpoint, why he killed all those people? Can you sympathize with him, because you seem to be very similar to what he was...

I don't think I can sympathize because there is nothing about what he did that should be praised. I could empathize with him though because I could try and put myself in his shoes. Maybe I watch too many movies, perhaps it is video games, I just am not shocked by a school shooting. And I don't have these temptations locked away because I am telling you aren't I?

[CaptainClown]

good question, i dont even know if i can touch that, not my cup of tea, thats for sure

and i for damn sure dont even drink tea
I like tea. Vanilla chai for me.

[Indie]

I like tea. Vanilla chai for me.

mmmm.... now i want a cup of chai.

[Mr. Superhero]

I don't think I can sympathize because there is nothing about what he did that should be praised. I could empathize with him though because I could try and put myself in his shoes. Maybe I watch too many movies, perhaps it is video games, I just am not shocked by a school shooting. And I don't have these temptations locked away because I am telling you aren't I?
How anyone can even EMPATHIZE with such an act is absolutely beyond me. You are basically saying that you can understand why he killed all those people -- which, in of itself, is completely and utterly deranged.

[-Crusher-]

okay seriously, lets quit talking about this s**t nothing is going to be solved from it. move on, CC is a murderer, omfg. lets move on.

[-Crusher-]

p.s. hate chai, smells like soap.

im an earl grey man.

[JaD]

How anyone can even EMPATHIZE with such an act is absolutely beyond me. You are basically saying that you can understand why he killed all those people -- which, in of itself, is completely and utterly deranged.

im pretty sure the empathy can only go to a certain degree, and not a very high one at all. in just saying that this guy was angry and thats the only real thing we can understand

[CaptainClown]

How anyone can even EMPATHIZE with such an act is absolutely beyond me. You are basically saying that you can understand why he killed all those people -- which, in of itself, is completely and utterly deranged.
it takes a little creativity and thinking outside of the box you seem to lack. The world isn't black and white and there are many reasons for why people do what they do. Also the person in VT had a mental problem and was developing paranoia. I don't see why it is so hard to relate to.

[Indie]

How anyone can even EMPATHIZE with such an act is absolutely beyond me. You are basically saying that you can understand why he killed all those people -- which, in of itself, is completely and utterly deranged.

I'd say it's just a sad situation all around. I'm sad for the shooter, sad for his parents, sad for the victims. i've stopped trying to judge find meaning in it.

[CaptainClown]

im pretty sure the empathy can only go to a certain degree, and not a very high one at all. in just saying that this guy was angry and thats the only real thing we can understand
Well you can understand to a degree; it is like method acting. You could probably acting and try and think like that person to a certain degree, but you can't do it. It is that kind of thinking that gets killers caught. Some people have to think like that, to catch some of those people out there. Not saying I am that kind of person but that is how it is used.

[-Crusher-]

no one can truly figure 100% why it happens,

[CaptainClown]

Ya certainly a tragedy; a couple incidents that really have me feeling pretty bad is war and genocide.

[Mr. Superhero]

it takes a little creativity and thinking outside of the box you seem to lack. The world isn't black and white and there are many reasons for why people do what they do. Also the person in VT had a mental problem and was developing paranoia. I don't see why it is so hard to relate to.
Well, it's not hard to relate to for someone like you, because you also shed the same fantasies as he had. If someone handed you a gun, then you would be faced with the same temptations that he faced.

Yeah, he was angry; yeah, he had something of a mental problem; but that doesn't make the act relatable. Because he could have done other things to vent his anger, but he chose to kill people, which is something that is completely unrelatable, except for you, of coarse.

[JaD]

Well you can understand to a degree; it is like method acting. You could probably acting and try and think like that person to a certain degree, but you can't do it. It is that kind of thinking that gets killers caught. Some people have to think like that, to catch some of those people out there. Not saying I am that kind of person but that is how it is used.

yea u cant understand them completely, when u try to dig underneath the surface of someone like seung-hui cho, u wont really get any answers or understand. u may get the angry part (like i did and probably everyone else) but everything else is convoluted and we wont be able to understand them, thats where that small degree of empathy is able to come in with their anger in general, for me at least

[CaptainClown]

Well, it's not hard to relate to for someone like you, because you also shed the same fantasies as he had. If someone handed you a gun, then you would be faced with the same temptations that he faced.

Yeah, he was angry; yeah, he had something of a mental problem; but that doesn't make the act relatable. Because he could have done other things to vent his anger, but he chose to kill people, which is something that is completely unrelatable, except for you, of coarse.
Again you take what I am saying out of context. I could relate to him to a point. Not like I killed a couple guys and he killed a couple guys we should go hang out and drink a cold one

Now I understand why you are a laughing stock on here as one of those stubborn people who can not grasp another idea.

[-Crusher-]

seriously superhero, stop calling him a murderer, you know nothing about CC outside of the hype. your trying to seem so professional about all this like your some sort doctor, but your not. you cant properly analyze someone over the internet so dont talk to him in the manner of "some like you"

[CaptainClown]

yea u cant understand them completely, when u try to dig underneath the surface of someone like seung-hui cho, u wont really get any answers or understand. u may get the angry part (like i did and probably everyone else) but everything else is convoluted and we wont be able to understand them, thats where that small degree of empathy is able to come in with their anger in general, for me at least

Exactly; you can understand his mentality before, the paranoia, the fear, the anger. But up until his firing that is where I draw a blank. Unfortunately for some people who's jobs are to understand him completely to find out what went wrong.

[Mr. Superhero]

Again you take what I am saying out of context. I could relate to him to a point. Not like I killed a couple guys and he killed a couple guys we should go hang out and drink a cold one

Now I understand why you are a laughing stock on here as one of those stubborn people who can not grasp another idea.
No, I just can't grasp the idea of how someone can "relate" to such an incident. It's totally unrelatable and represents nothing but more evil. Yet, here you are, issuing how relatable the matter is, because he had a little brain fart.

The guy was a complete and utter f*****g idiot. How is that relatable? Please, explain.

[Mr. Superhero]

No, I just can't grasp the idea of how someone can "relate" to such an incident. It's totally unrelatable and represents nothing but more evil. Yet, here you are, issuing how relatable the matter is, because he had a little brain fart.

The guy was a complete and utter f*****g idiot. How is that relatable? Please, explain.
No, I just can't grasp the idea of how someone can "relate" to such an incident. It's totally unrelatable and represents nothing but more evil. Yet, here you are, issuing how relatable the matter is, because he had a little brain fart.

The guy was a complete and utter f*****g idiot. How is that relatable? Please, explain.

[JaD]

seriously superhero, stop calling him a murderer, you know nothing about CC outside of the hype. your trying to seem so professional about all this like your some sort doctor, but your not. you cant properly analyze someone over the internet so dont talk to him in the manner of "some like you"

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yea CC certainly thinks a bit differently than u, but hes no murderer, he said he knows of the consequences that would lie ahead if he made a choice like that, and that its self-control that separates him (and most of us) from guys like cho

[-Crusher-]

exactly therefore hes no f**king murderer, period!

[-Crusher-]

stop fighting a lost battle superhero, honestly.

[CaptainClown]

No, I just can't grasp the idea of how someone can "relate" to such an incident. It's totally unrelatable and represents nothing but more evil. Yet, here you are, issuing how relatable the matter is, because he had a little brain fart.

The guy was a complete and utter f*****g idiot. How is that relatable? Please, explain.
He cried, he was afraid, he was angry and he was human just like you. If you can't empathize someone like him then I am more sorry for you. I am sorry your world is so black and white that he is pure evil. I'll hope one day you will realize that he was a person like you.

[Mr. Superhero]

exactly therefore hes no f**king murderer, period!
You tell me not to base an assumption on his internet persona, but here you are, yourself, basing an assumption on his internet persona.

CaptainClown may very well be a murderer. We'll never know until he's put into a room with a "gangster" and a gun...

[Indie]

No, I just can't grasp the idea of how someone can "relate" to such an incident. It's totally unrelatable and represents nothing but more evil. Yet, here you are, issuing how relatable the matter is, because he had a little brain fart.

The guy was a complete and utter f*****g idiot. How is that relatable? Please, explain.

dude, havn't you ever hated some one? wanted to beat the hell out of a person? None of us are innocent and while i'm sure no one would agree that the shootings were something to be admired, surly you can feel sorry for a guy and wonder what drove him from those lesser feelings we all share to something as extreme as murder.

[CaptainClown]

guys... I am mad.....oh noo.....grrr! CAPTAIN CLOWN SMASH! beh I am over it heh

[Indie]

He cried, he was afraid, he was angry and he was human just like you. If you can't empathize someone like him then I am more sorry for you. I am sorry your world is so black and white that he is pure evil. I'll hope one day you will realize that he was a person like you.

well said captain. that's how i feel too.

[JaD]

exactly therefore hes no f**king murderer, period!


I vouch for CC!!!

[CaptainClown]

dude, havn't you ever hated some one? wanted to beat the hell out of a person? None of us are innocent and while i'm sure no one would agree that the shootings were something to be admired, surly you can feel sorry for a guy and wonder what drove him from those lesser feelings we all share to something as extreme as murder.
exactly; as evil as his act was he was still a human. He probably was suffering a great deal mentally. No excuse for what he did, but I hope he is at peace now; and my prayers are for all the victims.

[ActuallyRobin]

I can't really feel sorry for a guy like that, and I can't understand why he did it, then again I didn't live his life, neither did any other person.

Having said that, everyone has 'illegal' thoughts (if you want to call them that, but you get my gist) but, most people don't go through with them and turn them to actions.

[-Crusher-]

You tell me not to base an assumption on his internet persona, but here you are, yourself, basing an assumption on his internet persona.

CaptainClown may very well be a murderer. We'll never know until he's put into a room with a "gangster" and a gun...

its just like jad said, CC made clear his self control, he knows the conciquences of murder, that seperates him. which makes my assesement alot more valid then yours, which is,"murderer muderer, killer, your a killer CC, someone like you would kill someone CC, murderer."

[Mr. Superhero]

He cried, he was afraid, he was angry and he was human just like you. If you can't empathize someone like him then I am more sorry for you. I am sorry your world is so black and white that he is pure evil. I'll hope one day you will realize that he was a person like you.
I also cry; I also feel fear; I also feel angry -- but I don't use those emotions to kill people.

That is why it is totally unrelatable. Do you, personally, UNDERSTAND the motivations behind those killings?

dude, havn't you ever hated some one? wanted to beat the hell out of a person? None of us are innocent and while i'm sure no one would agree that the shootings were something to be admired, surly you can feel sorry for a guy and wonder what drove him from those lesser feelings we all share to something as extreme as murder.
How the f**k can you feel sorry for a guy who takes away thirty innocent people's life? It absolutely beggars belief, and I don't give a crap if he cried to some camera.

[CaptainClown]

I can't really feel sorry for a guy like that, and I can't understand why he did it, then again I didn't live his life, neither did any other person.

Having said that, everyone has 'illegal' thoughts (if you want to call them that, but you get my gist) but, most people don't go through with them and turn them to actions.
Ya; thats perfectly fine; but to accuse someone who empathizes with him shouldn't make them a murderer either.

Out of curiosity do you have those kind of thoughts.

[JaD]

How the f**k can you feel sorry for a guy who takes away thirty innocent people's life? It absolutely beggars belief, and I don't give a crap if he cried to some camera.

dude she just got here!!

jeez, im pretty sure she hasnt read the whole conversation

[Mr. Superhero]

Ya; thats perfectly fine; but to accuse someone who empathizes with him shouldn't make them a murderer either.

Out of curiosity do you have those kind of thoughts.
WE ALL HAVE THOSE F*****G THOUGHTS!!!!

But you know something is wrong with you if someone handed you a gun, and then you let those thoughts play into your decision. There's a big, almighty difference between a harmless conceptualization and literally carrying out that f*****g conceptualization.

[ActuallyRobin]

No I don't agree that someone who empathises with someone is by assocation a murderer.

Of course I've had thoughts like that, BUT, they are always in a moment of stress, not really serious and I have the mental tools to deal with the thoughts, if you follow.

[-Crusher-]

kay seriously superhero, i feel sorry for you man.

[Indie]

I also cry; I also feel fear; I also feel angry -- but I don't use those emotions to kill people.

That is why it is totally unrelatable. Do you, personally, UNDERSTAND the motivations behind those killings?


How the f**k can you feel sorry for a guy who takes away thirty innocent people's life? It absolutely beggars belief, and I don't give a crap if he cried to some camera.

if you don't understand those last two sentiments, then there's nothing I can say. except that I'm no murderer, and i have empathy for the killer. but think what you will.

[Mr. Superhero]

kay seriously superhero, i feel sorry for you man.
And who are you exactly?

[-Crusher-]

who are you?

[Mr. Superhero]

who are you?
You're the one who seems to have an obsession with me...

[CaptainClown]

I also cry; I also feel fear; I also feel angry -- but I don't use those emotions to kill people.

That is why it is totally unrelatable. Do you, personally, UNDERSTAND the motivations behind those killings?

How the f**k can you feel sorry for a guy who takes away thirty innocent people's life? It absolutely beggars belief, and I don't give a crap if he cried to some camera.
but again this is where your selective reading has come into play as it has all morning/night. We can understand to a point and empathize to a point.

I'm sorry after reading that, I really understand the person you are. Arguing would just please your ego and seeming dogmatic logic. I wish you the best of luck in your future ventures and am just going to end this now.

[-Crusher-]

i just find it sad that you keep continuing this ridiculous conversation. and how exactly do i have an obsession with you?

[Indie]

And who are you exactly?

who is he? what does that matter? he's got as much credibility as you do. the internet is the great equalizer ;)

[Mr. Superhero]

but again this is where your selective reading has come into play as it has all morning/night. We can understand to a point and empathize to a point.

I'm sorry after reading that, I really understand the person you are. Arguing would just please your ego and seeming dogmatic logic. I wish you the best of luck in your future ventures and am just going to end this now.
Right, okay -- so I would be a BETTER PERSON if I tried to understand why he picked up those guns, entered all those classrooms, and blew all those innocent people to smithereens?

Give me a f*****g break.

[CaptainClown]

At least I realize how sane I am in that there are people who think similar to me and can understand me. It is very reassuring.

Also indiegirl vannila chai> all chai

[Indie]

but again this is where your selective reading has come into play as it has all morning/night. We can understand to a point and empathize to a point.

I'm sorry after reading that, I really understand the person you are. Arguing would just please your ego and seeming dogmatic logic. I wish you the best of luck in your future ventures and am just going to end this now.

yep!
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

[Mr. Superhero]

i just find it sad that you keep continuing this ridiculous conversation. and how exactly do i have an obsession with you?
Walk away, then.

No one's forcing you to read this thread.

[Indie]

At least I realize how sane I am in that there are people who think similar to me and can understand me. It is very reassuring.

Also indiegirl vannila chai> all chai

i don't know, i've had the best spiced chai in the world. so on that point i have to disagree with ya! :oldrazz:

[ActuallyRobin]

i just find it sad that you keep continuing this ridiculous conversation. and how exactly do i have an obsession with you?

I hear you keep a picture of him in your wallet, and a poster in your bedroom.

enough of this talk of murder, here's a cute cat

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-kitten-car-seat1.jpg

[-Crusher-]

i understand that. now answer my second question,

[Mr. Superhero]

At least I realize how sane I am in that there are people who think similar to me and can understand me. It is very reassuring.

Also indiegirl vannila chai> all chai
You haven't answered the question, Patrick.

[JaD]

How the f**k can you feel sorry for a guy who takes away thirty innocent people's life? It absolutely beggars belief, and I don't give a crap if he cried to some camera.

i will say that i feel sorry for seung-hui cho, in that he had to make the decision to do what he did. because this is what this whole conversation is about, in how he (and other killers) have layers of motives and thoughts that we cannot grasp or understand, but the anger (which everyone feels at times) is clearly present and that is the only thing we can truly understand, even through a tragedy like VT

[-Crusher-]

I hear you keep a picture of him in your wallet, and a poster in your bedroom.



:dry: however did you find out?!

[Mr. Superhero]

i understand that. now answer my second question,
Because you are endlessly attempting to get my attention.

You have an obsession with me.

[CaptainClown]

Superhero as I said; I would appreciate it if you just ended it and just take my blessing. Unfortunately you can not do that then (shrug) only so much I could do.

[CaptainClown]

i don't know, i've had the best spiced chai in the world. so on that point i have to disagree with ya! :oldrazz:
to be honest thats the only chai I have really had; so I am kind of limited in this convo

[-Crusher-]

Because you are endlessly attempting to get my attention.

You have an obsession with me.


oh wow thats good one there. your a regular dr. phil at asessing people, go back and read over the convo we've been having.
the last thing i have is an obsession with you, trust me.

[Mr. Superhero]

i will say that i feel sorry for seung-hui cho, in that he had to make the decision to do what he did. because this is what this whole conversation is about, in how he (and other killers) have layers of motives and thoughts that we cannot grasp or understand, but the anger (which everyone feels at times) is clearly present and that is the only thing we can truly understand, even through a tragedy like VT
The only thing I understand is that he was absolutely f*****g insane. There is simply no way to excuse what he did. It's that black-and-white for me.

Someone who kills an innocent person does not deserve to walk this Earth -- let alone thirty-innocent people.

[Indie]

well folks, it's been interesting but i have to run.

way to be the bigger people crusher and captain. when you have to start insulting the other person, you know you've lost.

[JaD]

Superhero as I said; I would appreciate it if you just ended it and just take my blessing. Unfortunately you can not do that then (shrug) only so much I could do.

if it does end or not, im glad we brought it to the lounge captain

[Mr. Superhero]

well folks, it's been interesting but i have to run.

way to be the bigger people crusher and captain. when you have to start insulting the other person, you know you've lost.
And, like I said, will I be a much greater person for trying to understand what that guy did?

Sorry, but I wouldn't even waste my friggin' time. The guy's a murderer and deserves to be dead.

[CaptainClown]

well folks, it's been interesting but i have to run.

way to be the bigger people crusher and captain. when you have to start insulting the other person, you know you've lost.
better watch out; when I get mad I kill... rawr
heh later indie
if it does end or not, im glad we brought it to the lounge captain
haha; thats for sure. I feel like jumping rope now heh

[JaD]

The only thing I understand is that he was absolutely f*****g insane. There is simply no way to excuse what he did. It's that black-and-white for me.

Someone who kills an innocent person does not deserve to walk this Earth -- let alone thirty-innocent people.

ok then its a done deal then, its what we've been chatting about this whole time, if or how much we can understand of cho

edit

no need to call CC a murderer because he feels he can understand a bit more of cho

[ActuallyRobin]

Just curious Mr. S, what's your view on the death penalty?

[-Crusher-]

well folks, it's been interesting but i have to run.

way to be the bigger people crusher and captain. when you have to start insulting the other person, you know you've lost.


thanks indie, see you later.

[-Crusher-]

Just curious Mr. S, what's your view on the death penalty?


NO! dont get him started up again!



RUUUUUN!

[Mr. Superhero]

Just curious Mr. S, what's your view on the death penalty?
It's a tough one to call, isn't it? I'm in favor of the death penalty, but at the same type it's slightly inhuman. I just feel that someone who kills an innocent person deserves to die...

[JaD]

NO! dont get him started up again!



RUUUUUN!



haha

[-Crusher-]

haha


thank you, ill be here all week. and the week after......and the week after........and after........awh hell there aint no way i could leave the hype, i love it!

[CaptainClown]

thank you, ill be here all week. and the week after......and the week after........and after........awh hell there aint no way i could leave the hype, i love it!

be sure to tip your waitress

[-Crusher-]

drive safely everyone! steer clear of captainclown, hes a psycho if you havent heard.

[CaptainClown]

grrr psycho psycho; I should make a picture of that

[Mr. Superhero]

drive safely everyone! steer clear of captainclown, hes a psycho if you havent heard.
If you ask me; CaptainClown needs therapy:

http://www.stereoactivenyc.com/movies/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/060630-aclockworkorange.png

[JaD]

well folks, it's been interesting but i have to run.

way to be the bigger people crusher and captain. when you have to start insulting the other person, you know you've lost.


how come indie didnt acknowledge me?

i was here longer than crusher, hell i started the conversation ha

sniff :csad:

[CaptainClown]

If you ask me; CaptainClown needs therapy:


who asked you?

[-Crusher-]

then i do to!

[-Crusher-]

CC lets go together, we can kill everyone along the way.

[JaD]

drive safely everyone! steer clear of captainclown, hes a psycho if you havent heard.

http://www.legendsofhorror.org/images/bates/ppic1.jpg

we all go a little mad sometimes

oh so very true

[CaptainClown]

we could get it together; share the fee

[Mr. Superhero]

who asked you?
Don't wanna' make you mad.

You might kill me.

[-Crusher-]

we could get it together; share the fee
sounds good,

[CaptainClown]

so nobody asked?

[CaptainClown]

sounds good,

actually I am going to go jump rope for a bit hah so brb

[-Crusher-]

i admit it....i asked, i just love to hear his opinions after all. you know im obsessed with him dont you?

[Mr. Superhero]

so nobody asked?
My friend, Larry, who is sitting next to me, asked the question.

What's your point, CaptainTaternutz?

[Mr. Superhero]

i admit it....i asked, i just love to hear his opinions after all. you know im obsessed with him dont you?
http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/01/Obsession-For-GM.jpg

[-Crusher-]

so whats the score here? you trying be funny about everything now? because i think i speak for everyone when i say your not.

[Mr. Superhero]

so whats the score here? you trying be funny about everything now? because i think i speak for everyone when i say your not.
No, just that I have hurt your feelings and now you are trying to get one over on me.

As Robocop would say:

YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM AN OBSESSION.

[-Crusher-]

no feelings hurt, because as you stated i can alway just log off. i for one am not one to have my feelings hurt by a stranger half way across the world, over the internet.

[CaptainClown]

My friend, Larry, who is sitting next to me, asked the question.

What's your point, CaptainTaternutz?
why didn't you just tell him...

also its tarternutz. I like to keep em sautéed

[-Crusher-]

anywho, shall we move on to better topics? this whole war against mr. s has made me feel like my iq has dropped.

[Mr. Superhero]

also its tarternutz. I like to keep em sautéed
Also, it's "it's" -- not its.

Sorry, I like to keep 'em sautéed.

[-Crusher-]

also ill take this oppertunity to say this to you mr. superhero. im done fighting with you, i will not apologize for what i have said, and i dont expect you to apologize for what you have said.
if you want to continue fighting with me then i think its you that has the "obsession"
other then that, have a nice day.

[CaptainClown]

Also, it's "it's" -- not its.

Sorry, I like to keep 'em sautéed.


..really I ignored your misspelling yet my failure to put an apostrophe is fair game.. You are a certainly a piece of work Mr. S

[Mr. Superhero]

You are a certainly a piece of work Mr. S
Ha! That's rich coming from old Ernst Stavro Blofeld over there.

[-Crusher-]

cap just ignore him, lets get back to the point of the lounge.....nice fun conversation?

hes obviously not gunna stop trying to one up us.

[CaptainClown]

Oh I know I am a piece of work; just tell you there is a nice seat next to me. Careful I bite.

[CaptainClown]

cap just ignore him, lets get back to the point of the lounge.....nice fun conversation?

hes obviously not gunna stop trying to one up us.

Oh I know; but its like shooting fish in a barrel.

[-Crusher-]

somthing tells me im gunna make my 1000th post in a continuating argument agains superhero.

haha oh wow.

[Mr. Superhero]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/blofeld.jpg

"I've been expecting you, Mr. Superhero. My name is CaptainClown and I love to fantasize about killing everyone in sight!"

[ActuallyRobin]

Ha! That's rich coming from old Ernst Stavro Blofeld over there.

wow so CC is secretly Donald Pleasence?

[-Crusher-]

:dry: not saying this to insult you mr. s, but your really picking at straws now man.

[Mr. Superhero]

:dry: not saying this to insult you mr. s, but your really picking at straws now man.
No -- now I'm just having fun.

I'm walking a dog named CaptainClown.

[CaptainClown]

wow so CC is secretly Donald Pleasence?

now you know my true identity....

[JaD]

cap just ignore him, lets get back to the point of the lounge.....nice fun conversation?

hes obviously not gunna stop trying to one up us.

No! Never back down! C'mon!

http://www.towleroad.com/images/2007/12/19/sf1_2.jpg

[-Crusher-]

oh, alright.
if you say so....

[CaptainClown]

No -- now I'm just having fun.

I'm walking a dog named CaptainClown.

woof:whatever:

[-Crusher-]

No! Never back down! C'mon!

http://www.towleroad.com/images/2007/12/19/sf1_2.jpg


hahahahaha :applaud

[JaD]

No -- now I'm just having fun.

I'm walking a dog named CaptainClown.

is this what this conversation has come to, u taking personal jabs at CC, when the conversation was about seung-hui cho who clearly had bigger problems than any of us, including CC. and trying to understand that well, there isnt much to understand about y VT happened, and y he did it

lets move on

[-Crusher-]

yes lets. so pudding.........is good?

[CaptainClown]

is this what this conversation has come to, u taking personal jabs at CC, when the conversation was about seung-hui cho who clearly had bigger problems than any of us, including CC. and trying to understand that well, there isnt much to understand about y VT happened, and y he did it

lets move on
On a new note; I wonder when a new season of Venture Bros. is going to come out.

[CaptainClown]

yes lets. so pudding.........is good?
nah; I don't like Pudding. I am having this weird craving for oatmeal and bacon

[JaD]

Venture Bros.?

whats that?

[-Crusher-]

for any canadians out there, they'll understand me when i say im craving timmy's hardcore.

[CaptainClown]

Venture Bros in a nut shell is a spoof of Johnny Quest; with the whole superhero element in it. It is a big rip on all Hannah Barbara cartoons, but its maintains its own universe. I highly recommend it if you are a superhero fan.

[JaD]

is it adult swim or something

[-Crusher-]

wellafter that huge flame war, i feel a victory smoke is needed, brb gentlemen.

[CaptainClown]

ya it is adult swim

[JaD]

wellafter that huge flame war, i feel a victory smoke is needed, brb gentlemen.

indeed.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/cigarvic.jpg

[CaptainClown]

mmmm a cigar.. I worked so no smoking right now haha

[JaD]

ya it is adult swim

hmm ic ic, ill try and check it out soon then

[CaptainClown]

http://www.adultswim.com/video/index.html

it is right there at the bottom

[JaD]

http://www.adultswim.com/video/index.html

it is right there at the bottom


ha alrite ill check this out

[-Crusher-]

i hate this time of the year, its nice one day, its snowing again the next. grrr.

[CaptainClown]

what I wouldn't give for some snow..

[JaD]

man adult swim has some of the strangest humor around, but u gotta love it

or no actually, u either love it or hate it

[-Crusher-]

im sick of it. (snow that is)

so looks like im going to hit my 1000 mark with you fine gentlemen :)

[CaptainClown]

man adult swim has some of the strangest humor around, but u gotta love it

or no actually, u either love it or hate it

aw you don't like it?

[JaD]

what I wouldn't give for some snow..


hey snow is awesome, its the cold part that sucks err yea

[-Crusher-]

i like snow, but im done with it for the year, im ready for spring.

[JaD]

aw you don't like it?

no i love it, ive always loved adult swim, im always missing out on it tho, i watch too much comedy central and ESPN

[CaptainClown]

hey snow is awesome, its the cold part that sucks err yea

I love it gives me a reason to wear a coat

[-Crusher-]

im guessing you like your coat then? haha

[CaptainClown]

course; they are like mini backpacks where I can put all my stuff

[JaD]

well it was good debating with the superhero(s) about all that stuff before, but im going to sleep sleep now, probably for the rest of the day lol, but ill have to wake up in a few hours to watch the lakers and mavs

later

[-Crusher-]

i need a new coat for next winter, mine is to small, but lukily it hasnt been cold enough for me to need it lately.

later jad.

[CaptainClown]

later jad

Well I don't have to worry about that kind of cold; a simple jacket works. Though I am a sucker for a nice dress over coat

[-Crusher-]

probably what i'll get next year. either that or a lumberjack coat hahaha :oldrazz:

[CaptainClown]

blah flannel = lame. It is all about suit jackets

[-Crusher-]

haha, im a sucker for the blue collar brute worker style sometimes.

[CaptainClown]

I like brute worker style; just not a fan of plaid.

[-Crusher-]

denim jacket with fuzzy wool collar?

haha actually no, i hate those jackets.

[-Crusher-]

nah I got work to do; and I got side tracked in the lounge. I recommend watching the fan art section later

----------->okay, how later? i might be going out in a bit.

[CaptainClown]

taken to the lounge. I dunno much later; so maybe when you log back on.

[-Crusher-]

alright well its sunday so im doing nothing but going for coffee and lunch.

[CaptainClown]

ahh I got much homework to get done

[-Crusher-]

not me! :D 3 posts to go.

[CaptainClown]

... I have 5 more....till 14,900....(sigh)

[-Crusher-]

i wish i had the time to be on here more often. if i could be on here often as i wish i could, i'd probably have 7 or 8000 pots by now.

[CaptainClown]

want 8k of my posts?

[-Crusher-]

haha, 1 more!

[CaptainClown]

uno mas!

[-Crusher-]

huzzah! 1000. :)

[CaptainClown]

grats

[-Crusher-]

thanks cap. people need to logon already.

[CaptainClown]

hahah ; people are probably sleeping in.

[-Crusher-]

i was only able to get 3 hours of sleep.

[CaptainClown]

I haven't slept today tsk what a shame.

[DaddyGrayson]

Sleep is overrated.

[CaptainClown]

JG! you missed an amazing convo; apparently I am a killer

[DaddyGrayson]

JG! you missed an amazing convo; apparently I am a killer

Whoa, how did this go down? Fill me in!

[CaptainClown]

try 111

[DaddyGrayson]

try 111

Word. I'm on it.

[DaddyGrayson]

"You sound like a murderer who just hasn't been pushed far enough yet" Haha. I wish I was here for this.

[CaptainClown]

it gets better

[Mr. Superhero]

Trust me -- this debate was the s**t.

[DaddyGrayson]

Haha, hot damn Captain, this was intense!

[CaptainClown]

Trust me -- this debate was the s**t.

qft

[DaddyGrayson]

Hah, you guys really went at it. Well played. :up:

[BatSpider]

:brucebat: :spidey:

[-Crusher-]

qft


haha not again!

[CaptainClown]

oh ya crusher peep out the fan art

[-Crusher-]

im on it

[-Crusher-]

commented ;)

[CaptainClown]

well thats what I spent my night/morning doing.

[-Crusher-]

very nice,

[CaptainClown]

ya oh well and I am on 4th cup o coffee.

[-Crusher-]

your beating me, i havent had any yet. but i think we're going out for coffee and food soon, so ill talk to you later

bye all.

nice battling alongside you captain :)

[CaptainClown]

peace

[Mr. Superhero]

your beating me, i havent had any yet. but i think we're going out for coffee and food soon, so ill talk to you later

bye all.

nice battling alongside you captain :)
Don't miss me too much, Crusher.

And do watch that obsession of yours. :cwink:

[JStorm]

CC killed someone?

Who?


Do we need to take a trip to Nevada?

[BatSpider]

CC killed someone?

Who?


Do we need to take a trip to Nevada?

Adventure time!

[Tron5000]

Happy Race Day, everybody!

So I know I'm waaaaay late on this, but I saw the discussion about school shootings earlier and thought I'd post this.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=600&sid=1355701

"Members of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus will join two General Assembly legislators Monday for a news conference.Delegate Robert G. Marshall, R-Manassas, and Delegate C. Todd Gilbert, R-Woodstock, have introduced bills that would allow faculty, staff and students to carry concealed handguns on college campuses with a valid Virginia concealed-carry permit."

Check out the link if you'd like to read the whole story. There are also several articles on this issue here:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=students+concealed+carry&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&scoring=n

[Anita18]

God effin' damn I leave for 7 hours to continue fighting my cold with sleep and I miss an exciting debate! Bugger.

I gave up with the last 3 pages though, so I shall drag up old posts instead. :oldrazz:

well we all have our assumptions right?

i mean i can honestly say theres gonna be another case of a husband whos gonna kill his wife for whatever reason this year, is that a safe assumption

it happens pretty much all the time, a sad truth
It does happen, but at least it wasn't random. Domestic violence is an example of a severe lack of anger management and a slight instance of psychopath.

im going to have to take captains side on this, i feel its totally normal for everyone, of all demographics to have the thoughts or fantasies of murder, its whether we choose to act on those thoughts that is the deciding factor for people.
Is it? Have we surveyed the general population on this?

I fantasize about hurting people sometimes, but emotionally or mentally, not by brute force. I've never fantasized about killing people. Ever. Although, I do fantasize about getting close to it with murderers, rapists, and abusers.

I guess my main question to CC is, do you have control over your fantasies because you know you'll face legal consequences, or because you know it's wrong to actually hurt people?

I hear you keep a picture of him in your wallet, and a poster in your bedroom.

enough of this talk of murder, here's a cute cat

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-kitten-car-seat1.jpg
KITTEH MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER!

I love LOLcats....The supposed OMNOMNOM fad is such a downgrade.

[Watson]

^Damn, I missed that to. That's what I get for staying in bed till 3pm.

[ActuallyRobin]

who wants home-made chocolate cheesecake?

[slicendice]

who wants home-made chocolate cheesecake?

The cake is a lie!

[Anita18]

who wants home-made chocolate cheesecake?
MEEEEE!

:woot: