Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Docker2.0]

You should have clarified that point then. Usually when people refer to a grading or tier system in reference to comic book characters, it's rated on mainstream name recognition, not current popularity.

I've said it numerous times. :huh:

[The Major]

I know why she hasn't quite reached tier one level, I'm just saying that's how it is currently.
Okay.

[Crook]

I've said it numerous times. :huh:
1) I don't follow your every post, sarge.

2) Still doesn't change the fact that you were using the term in it's incorrect context. :o

[az824]

My f-ing goodness! :whatever: being recognized and popular are two different things! Bush is very recognized but is probably the most hated man in the world, just edging out Tom Cruise for the title. :o
it maybe two different things but wonder woman is both recognized and popular. who doesnt like wonder woman? except maybe u and a few other people. the general public loves wonder woman, the men for the eye candy and the women for what she represents

[biolumen]

Warner Bros. was present at the 28th Annual Licensing International Expo in New York this week discussing possible deals for it's tie-in products for the studio's near and long term movies. Among those movies under licensing discussion was Justice League.
Long-term, live-action Robotech, Johnny Quest, World of Warcraft, He-Man and Justice League films are also on the agenda for licensing, as well as the CGI Thundercats and a third Batman film from Chris Nolan, Gilmore says.
http://www.playthings.com/article/CA6569991.html?desc=topstory

Also, FWIW, Variety still has Dan Lin on record as producing the Justice League movie for WB.
Lin's exec producing "Terminator Salvation," the Robert Rodriguez-directed "Shorts" and the Ricky Gervais comedy "This Side of the Truth." He's producing "Justice League" for WB and the Richard Kelly-directed Cameron Diaz thriller "The Box."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117987385.html?categoryId=1972&cs=1

[FaT_tONle]

Woot!!! Superman: MOS is on the slate... or wait....

[GreenKToo]

J.L. is still kicking huh.

[KBX]

^W.B. will probably make a JL film one day, its just the question is when....

[Docker2.0]

I think if Hulk, IM, and TDK does well, WB is going to announce shortly afterwards. Their track record with superhero movies isn't exactly great so it would make sense to wait.

[biolumen]

Variety indicates Warners will likely renegotiate its deal with George Miller to direct Justice League. They also indicated it was going into production soon. Interesting, especially since it's coming from Variety.
Warner Bros. is working on a deal that would reteam Larry and Andy Wachowski and producer Joel Silver, but in different terms than the $180 million “Speed Racer,” which lost a fortune at the box office.

The trio will produce “Ninja Assassin,” a $50 million action pic directed by James McTeigue, but will collect a share of the gross when the film breaks even. And the studio is likely to revisit a gross deal it made a long time ago for director George Miller to direct “Justice League,” expected to go into production soon.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117987471.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[jmc]

Does that mean Miller was let go?

[Docker2.0]

WB can't be serious about letting Miller direct this. :huh:

[biolumen]

Perhaps Miller's contract is (or was) structured in such a way as to allow for renegotiation if the movie didn't start in such and such a time, or something like that.

[jmc]

Something about it seems odd.

[Superhobo]

WB can't be serious about letting Miller direct this. :huh:


- Why?

[KBX]

Yeah Im going to wait for more news about Miller to really even consider it... but I think its funny that this movie just won't go away

[dnno1]

Maybe they are going to restructure his contract so that he only gets a share of the gross if the film breaks even just like Silver and the Wachowskis.

[Evil Twin]

Presumably, WB thinks George Miller is a good director with a consistent track record of success. And there's plenty of evidence to back that up.

Obviously, financing has played a big part in the ordeal of trying to get the film off the ground. I fully believe that if Miller had got the 40% Australian film rebate, JLA would be going forward, whiny internet or not.

[Antonello Blueberry]

WB can't be serious about letting Miller direct this. :huh:
Why? He's the director who gave them a movie that made 390 million $ in theaters less than two years ago.

[Maze]

:up: Yes!

Just do it Warner :hyper:

Thanks biolumen ;)

[GreenKToo]

I'm not going to ride this train again. Call me when they start filming.:D

[Nightwing1977]

I'll believe it when it's happend. I imagine it will be delayed again like what happend with Burton trying to do Superman with Nicholas Cage. It was suppose to be film, then delayed. Then getting to start again, but once more it was delayed. It go on & on like Merry-Go-Round. I imagine this will happend with JL. I prefer WB go in the direction like Marvel is doing recently: make several solo films of the heroes, then add them together later for JL. It's that simple, really.

[Showtime]

I'm really not sure why this means it is going forward it again, the article says "likely" and "expected".

Color me confused. WB hasn't talked about either Superman or JLM for months...

[Gotham]

I'm really not sure why this means it is going forward it again, the article says "likely" and "expected".

Color me confused. WB hasn't talked about either Superman or JLM for months...

I know. :csad: I'd take anything at this point.

[I Am The Knight]

We have to wait I guess. There has to be an announcement about anything at the SDCC right? I mean, it only makes sense...

[FlawlessVictory]

We have to wait I guess. There has to be an announcement about anything at the SDCC right? I mean, it only makes sense...

But WB and sense doesn't really go hand in hand. :csad:

[Webhead2006]

Yea hopefully with marvel's new success and staying more faithful to their characters will show wb/dc the direction they have been going or trying to go is all wrong and they need to take a step back and re think what they are doing and then change it.

[Retroman]

I'm not going to ride this train again. Call me when they start filming.:D

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3956/163429pittlsp3.jpg
I'm really not sure why this means it is going forward it again, the article says "likely" and "expected".

Color me confused. WB hasn't talked about either Superman or JLM for months...
Yeah it'd be nice if they'd said something about the state of these movies.:o

[Webhead2006]

Yea i know i wish dc/wb would just come right out and say yes this film is dead, this film is happening. But we know studios dont announce these things and the only way we know its totally dead is when cast/crew who were attached to said projects come out and say its not happening.

[Retroman]

Miller is now at the Sydney Film Festival and he did an interview with ABC Australia's 7.30 Report. He once again talks about the tax issue and in the video report (at the link) they show a couple JLA covers.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2271843.htm
Screen Australia hopes to revitalise Australian film industry

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 11/06/2008
Reporter: Rebecca Baillie

Legislation passed in March this year sees the merger of the three current film funding bodies into one super-agency, Screen Australia. It is hoped the new body, which starts operation next month, will help revitalise a flagging industry.


Transcript
KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: The Australian film industry employs more than fifty thousand people and contributes one and a half billion dollars a year to the economy.

Yet over the past decade Australian films have averaged less than five per cent of total box office takings, and many of this country's best
and brightest are now looking offshore.

New legislation this year sees the merger of the three current film funding bodies into one super-agency, Screen Australia. It's hoped the
new body will help revitalise a flagging industry.

But as Rebecca Baillie reports, it's come too late for one of the biggest names in Australian film, who says he'll make his next blockbuster
overseas.

REBECCA BAILLIE, REPORTER: It's a big night for the Australian film industry. The red carpet opening of the Sydney Film Festival.

One of the world's oldest film festivals, this year Sydney has an added drawcard. A lucrative film prize which it's hoped will put the festival on
a par with the likes of Cannes.

GILLIAN ARMSTRON, FILM MAKER: I think it's absolutely fantastic. It's become very competitive to get those films fresh from Sundance,
Berlin and Cannes and having this hook, this wonderful prize I think, has brought hopefully some really talented, wonderful filmmakers and
films to Sydney this year.

REBECCA BAILLIE: But behind the glamour there's discontent in the Australian film industry.

GEORGE MILLER, FILM MAKER: I don't think many of us realise quite how far our film industry has fallen away. We've been eclipsed by so
many other industries, particularly the New Zealanders, many of the Asian industries, and certainly most of the Europeans.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Patron of the Sydney Film Festival, George Miller, is one of Australia's most successful film makers. He won an Academy
Award for 'Happy Feet'.

Unlike many of his contemporaries, George Miller has always preferred to make his films in Australia, but that could soon change.

GEORGE MILLER: I've got that dilemma now, you know. Do I work overseas or do I stay here?

REBECCA BAILLIE: The director has all but decided to take his $200 million blockbuster, 'Justice League: Mortal', offshore. And thousand of
jobs with it.

Even though George Miller could have used a largely Australian cast and crew, because the idea originated in Hollywood, there are concerns
it's not Australian enough to qualify for a generous 40 per cent tax break.

GEORGE MILLER: It was suggested that I was somehow the stooge of the American studio, that I didn't have enough creative control.

BRIAN ROSEN, FILM FINANCE CORPORATION: This is taxpayer's money and if the money is just paid across and goes offshore and doesn't
have any long-term benefit to Australia then you have to question why would you give them such a strong incentive.

GEORGE MILLER: This is foreign investment which will educate our work force on the foreign dime, not our dime. And that's the frustration.
Now what happens is I go and, you know, I don't get to make many of these films. I go overseas and I'm growing someone else's talent pool.
Meantime, everyone here is out of work.

REBECCA BAILLIE: But Brian Rosen from the Film Finance Corporation says there's hope on the horizon. He believes the merging of the three
Federal film funding bodies into one agency will simplify the process for film makers

BRIAN ROSEN: A producer can come in, a film maker can come in, they can get development money to develop a story. When that story's
developed they can then apply and get funding for production. So it's basically a one-stop shop.

GILLIAN ARMSTRONG: There's a sense that maybe it will cut down running costs and more money will actually go into producing films and
backing film makers. But you worry if it means there's only one ticket in town.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Gillian Armstrong is one of Australia's pre-eminent film makers. Her first feature, 'My Brilliant Career', was nominated for
the Golden Palm Award at the Cannes Film Festival.

A long time supporter of the Sydney Film Festival, Gillian Armstrong is President of the jury for the inaugural Sydney Film Prize. The award's
attracted more than 300 entries from around the world.

GILLIAN ARMSTRONG: The whole idea of this competition is these films should be a little bit cutting edge, and innovative, pushing cinema.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Among the 12 shortlisted are two new Australian offerings. Matthew Newton and Nash Edgerton's feature film debuts are
both in the running for the prize, worth $60,000 and a whole lot of kudos.

MATTHEW NEWTON: It's great, it's fantastic, you know. It was like a little rocket that we built in our garage.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Better known for his acting, Matthew Newton wrote, directed and acted in his low budget feature 'Three Blind Mice'.

MATTHEW NEWTON: It's a story of three young Australian Navy officers who have 12 hour shore leave before they get shipped over to
fight. It's basically their journey through one night in Sydney and all the things they do before they have to go.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Across town, Nash Edgerton and Joel Edgerton are working down to the wire, finishing their new future film 'The Square',
in time for its world Premier at the festival this weekend.

JOEL EDGERTON: A guy in his 40s whose life slowly unravels over a situation he gets into with a woman.

REBECCA BAILLIE: Nash Edgerton has built his career as a stunt man and short film, maker. His short film Deadline won Tropfest 10 years ago.

NASH EDGERTON: It's a very universal story we tried to make.

REBECCA BAILLIE: While the Edgerton brothers and Matthew Newton have their eyes on the prize, at least one veteran of Australia's golden
age of film remains concerned about what future the domestic industry will offer them.

GEORGE MILLER: So the fact that we've got a couple of Australian film makers in this inaugural prize is a really good thing. But it remains to
see how they do. The problem with this industry is we can't sustain production and if you can't sustain production, one really bad thing
happens. That is, anybody with real talent has to go overseas.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Rebecca Baillie with that report.

[biolumen]

Thanks Retroman.
REBECCA BAILLIE: Patron of the Sydney Film Festival, George Miller, is one of Australia's most successful film makers. He won an Academy Award for 'Happy Feet'.

Unlike many of his contemporaries, George Miller has always preferred to make his films in Australia, but that could soon change.

GEORGE MILLER: I've got that dilemma now, you know. Do I work overseas or do I stay here?

REBECCA BAILLIE: The director has all but decided to take his $200 million blockbuster, 'Justice League: Mortal', offshore. And thousand of jobs with it.
So what does that mean? He still has yet to decide if he's going to follow the movie overseas or drop out of it, stay home and make something else? I like Miller, but his commitment to the film should be of highest priority. If JL:M is secondary to keeping industry folks working in Oz, then perhaps he should just drop out of the movie.

[Nightwing1977]

We have to wait I guess. There has to be an announcement about anything at the SDCC right? I mean, it only makes sense...

Maybe so, maybe not. I don't buy into that you have to announce something at SDCC to confirm a movie is going to happend. It not like that the only way to announce a movie is being made. Hell, they didn't made announcements there when they were going to make both Batman Begins & Superman Returns if I'm not mistaken. Or at least announce who is going to play the heroes. :p

[Webhead2006]

Yea

[Showtime]

Thanks Retroman.

So what does that mean? He still has yet to decide if he's going to follow the movie overseas or drop out of it, stay home and make something else? I like Miller, but his commitment to the film should be of highest priority. If JL:M is secondary to keeping industry folks working in Oz, then perhaps he should just drop out of the movie.

I honestly think two of the main reasons that Miller took on this project was to help with his next couple projects, Mad Max & Happy Feet II as well as helping the Aussie film industry.

[Superhobo]

I honestly think two of the main reasons that Miller took on this project was to help with his next couple projects, Mad Max & Happy Feet II as well as helping the Aussie film industry.


Totally. And, while I'm personally anticipating both of these, I'd love to see him do another original concept. You know?

[GreenKToo]

Dang. Is this film still on or what. Its all so confusing.

[Showtime]

Totally. And, while I'm personally anticipating both of these, I'd love to see him do another original concept. You know?

I honestly don't think he'll be directing whatever version of JLA ends up surfacing, but that is just a theory of mine.

[Showtime]

Dang. Is this film still on or what. Its all so confusing.

We'll know when and if WB announces their lineup. In all honesty, I hope WB makes a Superman sequel and JLA.

[FaT_tONle]

I think WB is just getting carried away in response to the recent moves Marvel intends to make. They need to realize that they already missed their opportunity and they need to accept that. Justice League will be absolutely LAUGHABLE compared to Avengers. WB knows it. Miller can shoot his mouth all he wants... at the end of the day... WB didn't want to pay the bills for that garbage vision of his. This is just Miller being bitter about it and talking through his ass. He didn't get the funding then... why would he get the funding now? Because TDK will be a hit? Yeah like the two have anything to do with one another.

[Evil Twin]

I honestly think two of the main reasons that Miller took on this project was to help with his next couple projects, Mad Max & Happy Feet II as well as helping the Aussie film industry.

Does Happy Feet II need any help? WB probably is going to greenlight that the instant Miller pitches it to them. $400 million worldwide plus huge merchandising = no brainer sequel.

[Webhead2006]

Yea miller will probably never have jla happen. Hopefully now with marvel's recent success's they will see the way they were trying to do things was wrong and will try and get things going the right way be that jla film, solo ww/flash/gl/etc...., Sequel to SR or reboot superman. Who really knows. I just wish wb would do something instead of just sitting on the dc properties.

[Dark Knight]

Get Routh and Bale (Bale in more of a behind the scenes type of Batman role/cameo) then surround them with some B actors. For example Ryan Gosling would be a good choice for Flash....Dennis Haysbert would be good for Jonn'z/MM. Princess Diana/WW can be a toned up Rachel McAdams or Biel or maybe even Gale (if here acting improves) Arthur/Aquaman can be someone like Jason Lewis or Scott Speedman. Jim Caviezal would be a sound choice for Hal Jordan/GL. They need to get a solo Flash and GL movie out first and then hope to do a JL film with a different director in say 2011 or 2012. A smart move would be to introduce Detective John Jones/Jonn'z/MM in a cameo type of appearance in the MOS film...IF they have one. WB's needs to freakin think creatively yet rationally and wisely! Green Arrow will probably come out within two years.

[Webhead2006]

Yea WB/DC just really need to take a step back and look at what marvel has done and move in a new and hopefully better direction with their dc films. I would love to see more dc guys make it to the big screen even though i am more a marvel fan. Right now marvel knows what they are doing and are doing it well. WB/DC just needs to try something simular and have the faith that other characters besides batman and superman could do well.

[Showtime]

Does Happy Feet II need any help? WB probably is going to greenlight that the instant Miller pitches it to them. $400 million worldwide plus huge merchandising = no brainer sequel.

I didn't say it needed help being greenlit, I meant to help it film in Australia again.

[dnno1]

Get Routh and Bale (Bale in more of a behind the scenes type of Batman role/cameo) then surround them with some B actors. For example Ryan Gosling would be a good choice for Flash....Dennis Haysbert would be good for Jonn'z/MM. Princess Diana/WW can be a toned up Rachel McAdams or Biel or maybe even Gale (if here acting improves) Arthur/Aquaman can be someone like Jason Lewis or Scott Speedman. Jim Caviezal would be a sound choice for Hal Jordan/GL. They need to get a solo Flash and GL movie out first and then hope to do a JL film with a different director in say 2011 or 2012. A smart move would be to introduce Detective John Jones/Jonn'z/MM in a cameo type of appearance in the MOS film...IF they have one. WB's needs to freakin think creatively yet rationally and wisely! Green Arrow will probably come out within two years.

Ryan Gosling is certainly not a B actor (more like A-list) and why would you put Bale and Routh in a behind the scenes role if they (i.e. not in the film)? Also, the actors you just name would come with a price tag so high you wouldn't have much room in your budget for any good SfX. Doesn't sound like the right way to go to me.

[GreenKToo]

To me, an A list actor would be someone like tom hanks, bruce willis, or mel gibson.
I don't consider ryan gosling in that catergory.

The way I look at it is if you want to make money, you got to spend it. Doing this film on the cheap is a recipe for disaster. At the very least the villain needs to be a very well known actor imho.

[FaT_tONle]

To me, an A list actor would be someone like tom hanks, bruce willis, or mel gibson.
I don't consider ryan gosling in that catergory.

The way I look at it is if you want to make money, you got to spend it. Doing this film on the cheap is a recipe for disaster. At the very least the villain needs to be a very well known actor imho.

THat's fair... but there is also a grade called B+... you need to give credit where its due... Gosling isn't a second tier guy. He is a leading man that can carry a film with a solid supporting cast around him.

Besides... how the **** are people still on the Bale/Routh team up joint? I stopped smoking that stuff a while ago. I am not saying it's impossible but can we be serious for a change? I think WB will do everything they can to lock up a third Bat film before asking Bale to be in one of these things. Even if BB3 is never made I doubt Bale would do it regardless. And Routh? Please... we don't even know if the guy is getting a sequel no less top lining an ensemble picture.

[Webhead2006]

Yea so true about routh no one knows what is going to happen with superman. Will wb gamble with singer and routh again or just reboot the superman film series. No one really knows.

[Showtime]

It's almost as if I never have to even read your posts.

[dnno1]

To me, an A list actor would be someone like tom hanks, bruce willis, or mel gibson.
I don't consider ryan gosling in that catergory.

The way I look at it is if you want to make money, you got to spend it. Doing this film on the cheap is a recipe for disaster. At the very least the villain needs to be a very well known actor imho.

BYtibA3Oin8

I think he made the A-List last year. His "bankability" may not be as great as Carey or Hanks, but he is there. The studio's don't want to spend that kind of money (> $200 million). They would prefer to make a larger profit margin on a smaller budget. If your budget is real high, your profit margin (if you do make one) might be low enough that it wouldn't be worth the investment. Let's pretend that the budget turns out to be about $250 million and they make $300 million. That's just a 20% margin, which they could have gotten investing in the stock market. On the other hand if the budget is $180 million, and they make the same amount, you get a higher margin (67%). Also if you budget is fixed, you could skimp on the casting salaries and make up for it by spending the money on great special effects. Face it, these guys will be wearing masks and you don't need to worry so much about their faces.

[dnno1]

..I think WB will do everything they can to lock up a third Bat film before asking Bale to be in one of these things...

TDK needs to do well before you can even discuss a third film. I don't know too much about that film after following up acts like "Iron-Man" and "The Incredible Hulk".

[FaT_tONle]

Is it really a question how well TDK will do? I mean cmon... The movie will make at least 250 domestic and the WW will put it close to 450 if not 500 total minimum. OW will be so good that it will be enough to greenlite a third the Monday after opening weekend. But I don't think it will effect JLA regardless. I think WB will see where Bale's career is going with this Terminator movie... rumors say this might be an in and out type franchise for Bale... meaning that he won't be back for the sequels. If Bale is moving on to other things successfully then there is NO WAY he is coming back for an ensemble film. He'll only come back for a Nolan third IMO regardless of what WB is willing to pay. Hence I don't think we'll hear anything until late summer 2009 earliest. I wouldn't even be suprised if they ditched a third either... but that doesn't automatically mean Bale will do another Batman film in any way shape or form. Bale can still opt out of the contract at any time. It comes down to the actor and not the studio. It will be a third installment or nothing...

[Webhead2006]

Actually i read bale was signed for all 3 terminator films WB wants to do as john connor.

[GreenKToo]

Is it really a question how well TDK will do? I mean cmon... The movie will make at least 250 domestic and the WW will put it close to 450 if not 500 total minimum. OW will be so good that it will be enough to greenlite a third the Monday after opening weekend. But I don't think it will effect JLA regardless. I think WB will see where Bale's career is going with this Terminator movie... rumors say this might be an in and out type franchise for Bale... meaning that he won't be back for the sequels. If Bale is moving on to other things successfully then there is NO WAY he is coming back for an ensemble film. He'll only come back for a Nolan third IMO regardless of what WB is willing to pay. Hence I don't think we'll hear anything until late summer 2009 earliest. I wouldn't even be suprised if they ditched a third either... but that doesn't automatically mean Bale will do another Batman film in any way shape or form. Bale can still opt out of the contract at any time. It comes down to the actor and not the studio. It will be a third installment or nothing...
I agree. I have always hoped, but never really thought, that Bale would do a J.L. film.
It wouldnt really matter to me though if Bale were in it or not *IF* it were just Batman in it. Now if they had Bruce Wayne show up, that could cause a problem with some folks.

[GreenKToo]

BYtibA3Oin8

I think he made the A-List last year. His "bankability" may not be as great as Carey or Hanks, but he is there. The studio's don't want to spend that kind of money (> $200 million). They would prefer to make a larger profit margin on a smaller budget. If your budget is real high, your profit margin (if you do make one) might be low enough that it wouldn't be worth the investment. Let's pretend that the budget turns out to be about $250 million and they make $300 million. That's just a 20% margin, which they could have gotten investing in the stock market. On the other hand if the budget is $180 million, and they make the same amount, you get a higher margin (67%). Also if you budget is fixed, you could skimp on the casting salaries and make up for it by spending the money on great special effects. Face it, these guys will be wearing masks and you don't need to worry so much about their faces.
I see what your saying, but in a film like this you would need solid actors that the public knows to help sell it.
Sure it could do well without them, but the FX and action would have to be really out of this world.

I don't think every single actor/actress in it needs to be an A-lister or even a B-lister, but for characters like Aquaman and M.M., I think they should be pretty well known.

For example:...
Aquaman: Viggo Mortensen.
M.M.:CGI with the voice of either Hugo Weaving or Laurence Fishburne.

It would cost them to get someone like that, but the payoff would be worth the effort I think.

I guess what i'm saying is, there needs to be the right blend of both action AND solid actors.
Get the right sort of actors and some folks will see it just because of said actor(s). Others will see it just because the action looks great.

[dnno1]

I see what your saying, but in a film like this you would need solid actors that the public knows to help sell it.
Sure it could do well without them, but the FX and action would have to be really out of this world.

I don't think every single actor/actress in it needs to be an A-lister or even a B-lister, but for characters like Aquaman and M.M., I think they should be pretty well known.

For example:...
Aquaman: Viggo Mortensen.
M.M.:CGI with the voice of either Hugo Weaving or Laurence Fishburne.

It would cost them to get someone like that, but the payoff would be worth the effort I think.

I guess what i'm saying is, there needs to be the right blend of both action AND solid actors.
Get the right sort of actors and some folks will see it just because of said actor(s). Others will see it just because the action looks great.

That didn't seem to be the case with "X-Men: Evolution" or any of the other films in the franchise, so that's not necessary. "Justice League: Mortal" is an opportunity to feature new talent as well serve as a test bed for future solo films.

[GreenKToo]

Here's hoping they get it right whichever direction they go.

[Webhead2006]

Yea hopefully if the film ever gets off the ground again in the near future they will get the right director, right script, and the right cast that fits the characters they are picked to be. I just hope we dont have to wait more then 10yrs for it to happen.

[Dark Knight]

Is it really a question how well TDK will do? I mean cmon... The movie will make at least 250 domestic and the WW will put it close to 450 if not 500 total minimum. OW will be so good that it will be enough to greenlite a third the Monday after opening weekend. But I don't think it will effect JLA regardless. I think WB will see where Bale's career is going with this Terminator movie... rumors say this might be an in and out type franchise for Bale... meaning that he won't be back for the sequels. If Bale is moving on to other things successfully then there is NO WAY he is coming back for an ensemble film. He'll only come back for a Nolan third IMO regardless of what WB is willing to pay. Hence I don't think we'll hear anything until late summer 2009 earliest. I wouldn't even be suprised if they ditched a third either... but that doesn't automatically mean Bale will do another Batman film in any way shape or form. Bale can still opt out of the contract at any time. It comes down to the actor and not the studio. It will be a third installment or nothing...



Exactly.....there is no question about whether TDK will do well.

It's a question of HOW well? My prediction for opening weekend...

80 million! This film is HIGHLY anticipated and with the tragic death of Ledger....even more general audiences will want to see perhaps his final performance as one of the great pop culture and cinematic villains of all time.

The movie theaters will be packed....and chances are this film will garner a good amount of rewatch value. I will be watching it in IMAX first and then on the regular screen at least two more times.

[Webhead2006]

Yea the film was already probably going to do well, but with ledger's death that is more then likely to get alot more people to see the film.

[The Major]

Face it, these guys will be wearing masks and you don't need to worry so much about their faces.

They can't hide how well they act behind a mask.

Not that most of the supposed JL in this film have masks. Batman has one, but it doesn't cover his face entirely like V's. Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have a mask at all. GL could wear a mask but it's much tinier then Batman's and since they're following JLU Stewart he might not wear a mask either. Flash is the only one whose mask covers him as much as Batman's.

[dnno1]

They can't hide how well they act behind a mask.

Not that most of the supposed JL in this film have masks. Batman has one, but it doesn't cover his face entirely like V's. Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have a mask at all. GL could wear a mask but it's much tinier then Batman's and since they're following JLU Stewart he might not wear a mask either. Flash is the only one whose mask covers him as much as Batman's.

Your statement presumes that the cast members have no acting skills at all. That is far from the truth. In fact everyone from the rumored cast was in a motion picture and had some lines. At least four of them have been commended by people in the industry and three of them were nominated for acting awards. These people can act. It's just that they are not as popular as some of the A-List and B-List actor that some of you may have had in mind. Look we we will be going to the movies for the Justice League and and not the greatest actors on the planet. In comic book films, actor should not overshadow the character. Let's not get it twisted here.

[The Major]

Your statement presumes that the cast members have no acting skills at all. That is far from the truth.

Sure they are skilled, but that doesn't mean they're automatically the most suited for the role of that character or their version will be the best ever on film.

If their take on a character is bad a mask isn't going to save them. Not that most characters have masks to begin with in this film if I was correct about the roster.


In fact everyone from the rumored cast was in a motion picture and had some lines.

That doesn't mean their all super talented actors.

"Some lines" isn't comforting, either. They're playing iconic characters in a big budget movie here not an SNL skit.


At least four of them have been commended by people in the industry and three of them were nominated for acting awards.

Can you give me examples, please?

Which awards are we talking about?

These people can act.

So what? Hollywood is filled with actors.


It's just that they are not as popular as some of the A-List and B-List actor that some of you may have had in mind.

Of course it's obvious A or B listers wouldn't be involved in this. The budget is to high for their expenses.

But the truth is Hollywood is filled with actors from movies and tv which could either do the exact same performance or better which are not A or B listers.

They do want to make the best version of JL, right? Are they really sure they have the best cast possible for the movie? They only get one shot at this, if they fail they'll have killed every single franchise involved in JL except Batman and Superman in one move.They won't get a second chance.

They hired a model who requires acting classes before shooting for a character whose been a cultural icon in the Western society for decades. That in itself is a cast any fanboy who has read a WW comic or watched JLU knows is a bad idea.

God knows how much damage the WW franchise is going to suffer if Gale screws up.


Look we we will be going to the movies for the Justice League and and not the greatest actors on the planet.

The Justice League movie will fall apart unless those characters work on screen which relies on the actors being perfectly cast. You can't have one without the other.


In comic book films, actor should not overshadow the character. Let's not get it twisted here.

I agree.

[Webhead2006]

yea good points.

[TheVileOne]

Doesn't matter. Still no JL movie, and these forums are still useless and need to die already.

Seriously, just move this one thread into DC Comics Movies forum and that's all you need. It's a joke that these forums are still here.

[Jake Cassidy]

So why do you keep coming back?

You really need to get over it.

[GreenKToo]

It may not be dead since rumors seem to be swirling around again. I'd wait a little longer to see.

[Webhead2006]

Yea no one knows what is going to happen with this film or let alone any other dc character film. WB just doesnt know what to do with them. Plus there is other sections here with jla boards that serve a purpose so it would be silly to wipe out all the jla section stuff.

[TheVileOne]

The only real news lately on the movie is that there is NO NEWS.

No section here serves a purpose. When a movie is actually in front of the cameras, getting made fine. Other mods have expressed this as well, so I don't get what the holdup is.

All there seems to be is stuff about George Miller talking about a tax break and working here and there. There is no news coming out of production because WB doesn't want to make it. It was supposed to start in April - NOTHING. It won't be starting anytime soon if the SAG strike starts. It's not coming out in 2009. And it more than likely won't come out in 2010 either.

[Webhead2006]

Yea who knows if/when this film or any other dc characters will actually end up happening. I would like to have the threads remain incase something does end up going down within the next few months then losing all the stuff we have talked about and all that. But if the mods want to wipe out the jla section and move one or two of the main threads like this one/casting thread or merge the two together and move it to the dc comics films section. There is nothing we can do about it since we are not mods are selfs.

[az824]

thevileone:

why do you care so much? cant u just let it go? you dont know whether there is a new movie coming out or not and neither does everyone else

[Showtime]

Doesn't matter. Still no JL movie, and these forums are still useless and need to die already.

Seriously, just move this one thread into DC Comics Movies forum and that's all you need. It's a joke that these forums are still here.

We'll decide when they go, don't worry yourself about it, and continue your vileness. :cwink:

[Brainiac58]

Most thought that this movie was dead when the writer's strike happened but then things surprisingly picked up after it ended. Who knows what might happen after SAG negotiations are resolved. If Iron Man, Hulk, Hancock, and The Dark Knight all do well this summer, then WB may very well make their superhero properties a high priority.

[The Major]

If Iron Man, Hulk, Hancock, and The Dark Knight all do well this summer, then WB may very well make their superhero properties a high priority.

They're only going to do something if every super-hero movie does well? Where's the logic in that?

Does Iron Man's success, alone, and every single comic book super-hero success from the last few years mean nothing?

[TheVileOne]

thevileone:

why do you care so much? cant u just let it go? you dont know whether there is a new movie coming out or not and neither does everyone else

None of this changes that no movie is being made right now. That's the word.

The continued existence of these boards is like Hillary's presidential run. Just like people wanted her to end her run, these boards need to fold back into DC movies.

[Showtime]

I had to laugh at that analogy.

[Webhead2006]

YEa hopefully after the summer hero films are done and SAG is settled they will serious look at what they are doing and see its not the right way to go and make some better plans like marvel is currently doing.

[Brainiac58]

They're only going to do something if every super-hero movie does well? Where's the logic in that?

Does Iron Man's success, alone, and every single comic book super-hero success from the last few years mean nothing?

The logic is a based on an understanding of human behavior and what is called the recency effect. Events that occur more recently in our past are perceived as more significant than events of equal weight that occur farther in our past. My proposition is of course predicated on the assumption that a movie executive's brain functions like a normal humans.:woot:

[The Major]

The logic is a based on an understanding of human behavior and what is called the recency effect. Events that occur more recently in our past are perceived as more significant than events of equal weight that occur farther in our past.

This seems to be a sin Hollywood needs to get rid of.

Not that they really should forgetting this stuff. I'd think they'd remember anything which causes them to lose tonnes of money or damages their reputations since so much is on the line for every project. Same with successes.

It could just be denial. Not that it's much better.


My proposition is of course predicated on the assumption that a movie executive's brain functions like a normal humans.:woot:

I wouldn't bet on it. :D

[Jake Cassidy]

None of this changes that no movie is being made right now. That's the word.

The continued existence of these boards is like Hillary's presidential run. Just like people wanted her to end her run, these boards need to fold back into DC movies.

Why don't you just bugger off and not worry about it?

[TheVileOne]

Because just like we all wanted Hillary to sit down and shut up, these boards need to stop as well.

[biolumen]

For Vileone's sake, I hope there's official word quickly forthcoming that JL:M will indeed proceed with production. :cwink:

[TheVileOne]

You mean like all the official words from Baghdad Uncle Bingo Bob that production was not halting last January? That all of you readily believed?

[dnno1]

Why don't you just bugger off and not worry about it?

I thought you didn't want it either?

[biolumen]

Whatever suits your fancy.

[Jake Cassidy]

I thought you didn't want it either?

I'm just sick of that idiot coming here and saying 'this should be closed'. It's getting on my ****in' nerves.

[Jake Cassidy]

Because just like we all wanted Hillary to sit down and shut up, these boards need to stop as well.

I wish you'd shut the **** up.

[Showtime]

Because just like we all wanted Hillary to sit down and shut up, these boards need to stop as well.

That isn't your decision, it is the decision of those who run The Hype. I don't know what has gotten into you, but your eleventeen posts talking about closing these boards makes your opinion pretty clear and it is noted. Justice League is probably not going to happen, at least not this version, but the boards close when we say they close. Until then, the doors are open, but if you don't like this section of the forum then don't let them hit you on the way out. :cwink:

[Showtime]

I wish you'd shut the **** up.

Not needed at all. :cmad:

[Showtime]

A little tidbit...

After I gleefully wrote my last article on the writers strike, this reporter thought he was finished covering labor stoppages and management lockouts. In fact, Wired.com editors threatened to make me watch a double feature of The Happening and The Love Guru if I ever whispered the word "guild" again.

Sadly, fate leaves me no choice. In a box office season ruled by super heroes, one major comic book-based project is battling the ill winds coming from the Screen Actors Guild. As reported here, a film based on The Justice League was well into development when the writers strike delayed its produced and destroyed the shooting schedule.

Then, producer Joel Silver declared the project "tabled" (delayed) as stated in its IMDB listing. But Warner Bros. currently has writers Kieran and Michele Mulroney working on another draft with the intention of releasing the film in 2011 -- with or without the cast originally set before the writers strike.

But the end of June could see another work stoppage in Hollywood as the actors' collective bargaining agreement expires. Without a new deal, actors could walk -- or the studios could lock them out to preempt a strike.

Either event would once again halt development on Justice League as its big cast makes scheduling hard enough without a strike to worry about. It's possible that Warner Bros. could cuts its losses and move on from the JLA during yet another delay.

[GreenKToo]

And the plot thickens.

[dnno1]

You should cite where you got that from, Showtime. The SAG/AMPTP negotiations are coming down to the wire. with a little more than a week left before the collective bargaining agreement ends. The AMPTP in its recent statement (http://amptp.com/) is saying that the market won't support a salary increase and that the year will be over if there is a strike. SAG, on the other hand, is accusing (http://www.sag.org/press-releases-49) the AMPTP of stalling on two items. As it looks right now there might be a lockout rather than a strike if there is no progress.

[Showtime]

You should cite where you got that from, Showtime. The SAG/AMPTP negotiations are coming down to the wire. with a little more than a week left before the collective bargaining agreement ends. The AMPTP in its recent statement (http://amptp.com/) is saying that the market won't support a salary increase and that the year will be over if there is a strike. SAG, on the other hand, is accusing (http://www.sag.org/press-releases-49) the AMPTP of stalling on two items. As it looks right now there might be a lockout rather than a strike if there is no progress.

I did, but it fell off the table, but I got it from somewhere so that is what counts.

[Maze]

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/06/jla-bond-struck.html

[I Am The Knight]

A little tidbit...

So no 2010 anymore? Bummer. This movie keeps getting delayed.

I wish you'd shut the **** up.

Well Helooooou beautiful. Don't let The Vile Dude get on your nerves. :o

[Showtime]

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/06/jla-bond-struck.html

Yeah that's the one, don't know what the hell it is really or even how reliable, but that is it.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I doesn't read as something reliable.

[Webhead2006]

Yea who knows what is ever going to come to be with jla be that george miller's film or if they drop him and go in an all new direction.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The Shadow knows.

[Showtime]

The Shadow knows.

So does The Phantom.

[biolumen]

With Dean Semler moving on to shoot "2012" for Emmerich, we already know that this particular movie isn't being made anytime soon, so I don't know how an actors strike, even an extended one, could have much of an effect on it since it probably wouldn't start pre-production until late '08 or early '09. That is if 2010 were its intended release date.

As for the 2011 date mentioned, I think the writer of that article Showtime quoted is copying from that IESB article a couple weeks ago stating Warners is still working on JL, but for a 2011 or 2012 release.There were some who were hoping to salvage Justice League quickly by bringing it to Vancouver and recasting some of actors that were originally attached under Miller's direction. But for now, I am told it's being developed slowly with a possible target date of 2011 or 2012 with or without director George Miller.That's the first article I've read that stated such info. The IESB article also stated that new writer(s) have been assigned to do another rewrite, but Sanchez was unsure if the Mulroneys were involved.So even though the production in Australia had been tabled, the studio had indeed assigned writers (don’t know if they are new or if it's husband and wife writing team Kieran and Michele Mulroney who penned the first drafts) to do a revamp of the project.The article Showtime is quoting says that it is indeed the Mulroneys, but who's to say the author isn't reading more into IESB's article than there is. Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=5002

[dnno1]

I doesn't read as something reliable.

I belive the 2011 date is speculation and based on the fact that there will be an actors strike this summer. If that is the case it will affect all of Hollywood, not just "Justice League: Mortal". There is a remote chance that we could see production by mid July if there is a settlement between the Actors and the studios within the next week.

[Showtime]

Production for JLM by Mid July of 2008? Ummm....

[Jake Cassidy]

Not needed at all. :cmad:

Sorry. I have an incredibly bad temper. I was actually showing some restraint. :woot:

[FaT_tONle]

I think if Nolan/Bale don't do a third then we'll get Justice League for 2011. 2010 is approaching fast and it looks like WB is tossing that summer as well. There won't be enough time unless they move on something over the next 3-4 months. I am still hoping MOS slips in there... and if Nolan doesn't want to do a third... I am hoping Bale would be back for a WF or JL because WB still has that third picture option on Bale. They shouldn't do a Batman movie introducing Robin or recasting Alfred or worst yet... going with a new director. I don't want to see them returning to Nolan's Batman franchise 3 years from now or later of Nolan isn't back since we have seen movies of an older Bruce Wayne (even though they were awful films), so I'd prefer an ensemble picture.

[Showtime]

I think if Nolan/Bale don't do a third then we'll get Justice League for 2011. 2010 is approaching fast and it looks like WB is tossing that summer as well. There won't be enough time unless they move on something over the next 3-4 months. I am still hoping MOS slips in there... and if Nolan doesn't want to do a third... I am hoping Bale would be back for a WF or JL because WB still has that third picture option on Bale. They shouldn't do a Batman movie introducing Robin or recasting Alfred or worst yet... going with a new director. I don't want to see them returning to Nolan's Batman franchise 3 years from now or later of Nolan isn't back since we have seen movies like that (even though they were awful films), so I'd prefer an ensemble picture.

What are you talking about regarding the Summer of 2010 being tossed out? :huh:

[FaT_tONle]

What are you talking about regarding the Summer of 2010 being tossed out? :huh:

I said give it another 3-4 months... I don't think we are getting anything if we don't hear anything by then.

[Showtime]

I said give it another 3-4 months... I don't think we are getting anything if we don't hear anything by then.

Are you talking about for Justice League? It isn't coming 2010, that has already gone out the window.

[FaT_tONle]

For the most part I agree although I think you are too soon to jump the gun. Miller's JLA was seemingly happening overnight until the strike was just the first of many obstacles it had to overcome. It may have happened in 2009 if everything played out the right way no doubt in my mind. But a 2011 release as was reported in that article is a pretty stupid move having it in the same year as Avengers. 2010/2012 are more realistic. But at the same time I can still see a scenario where Justice League may replace the Batman franchise if for some reason or another if they decide not to continue. No reason why they shouldn't but if they don't then JLA should be the next move.

[Showtime]

I don't think that 2011 in that article is reliable anyway, but I don't think you're looking at 2010 either. If it does happen in 2010, then that is cool with me, it will be a fresh start. I just don't see it.

[FaT_tONle]

I agree... but it hasn't been a year since we had that "Justice League is a Go" thread has it? I mean we pretty much got that pre-production was set, preliminary actors had been casted and were prepping... Miller was just sorting out the kinks... pre-production was in full swing with sets being built and filming locations set. Then all of a sudden the script had problems and needed rewrites and then the strike and then one thing after another killed it. I am just saying had they just stuck with whatever they had at the time and assuming there was no writers strike and assuming production stayed within the budget allocated to the film... we would have been getting it in 2009 for sure. So the same thing can happen for 2010 if all goes to plan this time around although it never seems to work out that way. There is still a decent chance.

[Showtime]

I agree... but it hasn't been a year since we had that "Justice League is a Go" thread has it? I mean we pretty much got that pre-production was set, preliminary actors had been casted and were prepping... Miller was just sorting out the kinks... pre-production was in full swing with sets being built and filming locations set. Then all of a sudden the script had problems and needed rewrites and then the strike and then one thing after another killed it. I am just saying had they just stuck with whatever they had at the time and assuming there was no writers strike and assuming production stayed within the budget allocated to the film... we would have been getting it in 2009 for sure. So the same thing can happen for 2010 if all goes to plan this time around although it never seems to work out that way. There is still a decent chance.

We'll never really know how far along the production really was, it could have been further than reported or less. WB certainly wanted the movie to happen in 2009, look at their Summer 2009 lineup, it is slim to none. They have some time for 2010, so I wouldnt faint if I heard that JLM is coming in 2010, they still need tentpoles. However, they don't necessarily need comicbook tentpoles.

[Webhead2006]

Yea we can just hope the film could come back and either get new writers, cast. director and get it moving in the correct direction. If it is going to happen any time soon i would think if production could start late this year early next year 2010 could be possible if not then yea 2011 or 2012 is the more likely release time. But since we dont know what is going on behind the scenes we will just have to wait and see what actually happens.

[Antonello Blueberry]

We'll never really know how far along the production really was, it could have been further than reported or less. WB certainly wanted the movie to happen in 2009, look at their Summer 2009 lineup, it is slim to none. They have some time for 2010, so I wouldnt faint if I heard that JLM is coming in 2010, they still need tentpoles. However, they don't necessarily need comicbook tentpoles.
No, but they need something for 2009. This year wasn't exactly the most successful one for WB.
"Get Smart" opened to good numbers and "The Dark knight" will probably be a huge success, but Speed Racer seriously underperformed.
I don't think they will risk to earn even less money in 2009.
Anyway I think we won't get any news before the SAG thing gets resolved.

[Showtime]

No, but they need something for 2009. This year wasn't exactly the most successful one for WB.
"Get Smart" opened to good numbers and "The Dark knight" will probably be a huge success, but Speed Racer seriously underperformed.
I don't think they will risk to earn even less money in 2009.
Anyway I think we won't get any news before the SAG thing gets resolved.

You're not saying JLM is coming out for 2009, because that is almost impossible. :huh:

[Docker2.0]

2009 does have a void for superhero movies. Wolverine is the only one I can think of.

[GreenKToo]

Well, it looks like the only thing we'll have is Watchmen. Its an 09' release is it not?

[Showtime]

Spring though.

[Nightwing1977]

A little tidbit...

With the talk of 2011, I wonder if this mean MoS will get made first & released in 2010 before JL come out a year later after that. Sound like it, but anything is possible. This news keep making us getting more curious than ever. :p

[biolumen]

If Semler didn't publicly state that he was going to be Emmerich's DoP for "2012", scheduled for filming in late summer or early fall, I'd still have a smidge of hope that they would restart production on JLM as early as next month as was Warner's plan coming out of the writer's strike. As it now stands, I have zero hope for it this Summer. Semler would not be leaving this production for another if JLM was slated for a Summer '08 start. The only other reason would be if Miller and his crew were off the movie, and if that were the case, this movie would definitely not be filming anytime soon.

No, best case scenario now is a fall/winter start as suggested by stunt coordinator Norton on his blog back in April. Basically a 12 month shift from the original plan. Of course that would mean no MOS for 2010. I'm really curious to see if any info comes out of the SDCC that might give us insight into Warner's future plans for their DC properties.

[Antonello Blueberry]

You're not saying JLM is coming out for 2009, because that is almost impossible. :huh:
Almost. The thing is we still don't know what's planned for Summer '09 by WB.

[Showtime]

Almost. The thing is we still don't know what's planned for Summer '09 by WB.

Well basically what is happening, is WB is not going to feel the sting of not putting out any comicbook related movies in the Summer because Marvel is not putting out any Summer 09. That being said, WB of course wanted them for 09, but it doesn't hurt them in the comic book related tentpoles. Problem is, they still need tentpoles and all they have is T4 unless they move Watchmen to Summer which is a strong posibility. Akira was on the fast track for a good while but that has died down.

[GreenKToo]

Well basically what is happening, is WB is not going to feel the sting of not putting out any comicbook related movies in the Summer because Marvel is not putting out any Summer 09. That being said, WB of course wanted them for 09, but it doesn't hurt them in the comic book related tentpoles. Problem is, they still need tentpoles and all they have is T4 unless they move Watchmen to Summer which is a strong posibility. Akira was on the fast track for a good while but that has died down.
I am patiently awaiting word from the con. An annoncement from there would go along way in getting some buzz going with the fans.

If no announcement happens, then they will kill what little hope alot of us have left.

[Showtime]

I am thinking that we will hear something concrete about WB's upcoming slate just after TDK drops which happens to aligh with comic-con. If MOS is not on that slate, you can most likely kiss it goodbye.

If JLM is on the slate I think you are looking at 2011-2012 to be honest. Who knows though, It would be nice if they fastracked one of these films for 2009, but I don't see how that could be possible unless they had everything set behind the scenes.

[GreenKToo]

I am thinking that we will hear something concrete about WB's upcoming slate just after TDK drops which happens to aligh with comic-con. If MOS is not on that slate, you can most likely kiss it goodbye.

If JLM is on the slate I think you are looking at 2011-2012 to be honest. Who knows though, It would be nice if they fastracked one of these films for 2009, but I don't see how that could be possible unless they had everything set behind the scenes.
It's possible they could release something for 09', but it seems like a heck of a big secret to keep, seeing as how things tend to leak out.

[Showtime]

Exactly.

[biolumen]

Gale still thinks it's happening, and adds that there's a battle over where the movie is to film. Sounds like Miller is still pushing for an Oz shoot, and the rumored rewrites might be to pare the film down to accomidate.Megan Gale hoping for Wonder Woman big screen role

June 24, 2008 12:00am

Superbabe and former catwalk model Megan Gale is still awaiting delivery of her indestructible bracelets, Lasso of Truth and invisible airplane.

No doubt that's why she's feeling so powerless to get her movie career up, up and away. But Gale, 32, told Confidential her hopes of big screen superhero fame playing Wonder Woman in George Miller's Justice League of America were still high.

She said the movie was on hold while a battle is waged over where the flick is to be filmed.

"They're still deciding where they want to shoot it. They're still battling to shoot it here in Australia and, hopefully, it will work out that way because, obviously, I'd like to shoot in Sydney. But, if not, worse case scenario, it'll be done overseas," she told Confidential on the red carpet at the Australian premiere of Get Smart on the Goldy.

Despite reports that the entire cast of the beleaguered production had been "let go", Megan said she was still locked into the role - "definitely".

Boyfriend and mock jock Andy Lee joked that he was willing to offer his two-bedroom apartment if the producers could not decide on a place to get the cameras rolling.

"It's not quite the Bruce Wayne mansion that they were hoping for and my brother lives there too, so it really means they can only film in one room," he said.

The movie was scheduled to begin shooting in Sydney in January but has been postponed indefinitely.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23911017-5003420,00.html

[Showtime]

Who is battling what? George Miller is still attempting to appeal this Australian situation?

[biolumen]

Hehe, I hope not, 'cause that part of the equation has been definitively settled. I took it to mean a battle within Warners, or between Warners and Miller over where to film it. Miller still wants to use Australian talent, so he's probably pushing it for an Oz shoot using the 15% location offset.

[Showtime]

Why would there be any kind of battle going on between WB and Miller? Most likely because if it is out Australia, Miller is out.

[biolumen]

That's a strong possibility. I wonder how long it's going to take to sort it all out. Months? I hope not.

[Showtime]

Months and months.

[GreenKToo]

I wonder who will replace him if Miller is out?
Whoever it is, I hope they get a better cast.

[Evil Twin]

WB is probably waiting until the SAG contract is settled before they schedule or announce anything.

I agree that WB will probably move ahead with multiple projects for Summer 2009 as soon as they know what the schedule is. I'm guessing that at this point they'll be shooting for movies with minimal CGI (or at least non-groundbreaking CGI) and able to use more practical effects. Supermax, Shazam, Jonah Hex, Sgt. Rock, and Mad Max (which should have practically no CGI) are probably among the films that they're considering. And, no doubt, they probably won't announce their next superhero movie until after the successful opening weekend of TDK. That's PR 101.

[jmc]

Something tells me it's a little more than just a shooting location issue that's holding this film up.

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/06/23/dc-comics-hollywood-crisis-our-unsolicited-advice/#more-2823
Get a lock on the League. Despite earlier reports, a studio rep told MTV News this one is now a “go.”

[Saint]

No!

[Showtime]

That means it must be coming out for 2009!!

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..
.

[phil]

Showtime do you think your inside rumblings for June might have really been for JL? Or were they specifically talking about SR not just Superman in general?

[biolumen]

...
..
. :yay:

Just because it's a "go", and that's questionable, doesn't necessarily mean a 2009 release. It could be a go for 2010 or 2011.

[Brainiac58]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/06/23/dc-comics-hollywood-crisis-our-unsolicited-advice/#more-2823

Interesting find Antonello. I agree that we won't here anything solid until after the SAG negotiations are done. I don't understand Gale's comments about a battle over where the film will shoot. Who s the battle with?

My hope is that the Dark Knight does major "Iron Man" level bank and encourages WBs to really push out some superhero priorities. I'm betting that summer '09 is out for JL:M or any other WB superhero property. If they did want to try and crank one out for summer I think JL:M is the only property far enough along to have any sort of chance of meeting say an August '09 opening (not that I would recommend rushing what could be a giant franchise builder for the studio). My uneducated guess is that we see some version of a Justice League film moving forward early '09 for a 2010 release. Considering that all of my predictions about this movie have been wrong, I'm about due for a winner:cwink::cwink:

[Showtime]

Showtime do you think your inside rumblings for June might have really been for JL? Or were they specifically talking about SR not just Superman in general?

The discussion was geared towards Superman when I was told about some information should be out by June.

:yay:

Just because it's a "go", and that's questionable, doesn't necessarily mean a 2009 release. It could be a go for 2010 or 2011.

I know, I was being...sarcastic. I am pretty sure if this movie was a go, we would be hearing a lot more. I won't say we'll see, I don't want to steal Webhead's thunder.

[jmc]

There would be louder rumblings if this film was ready to go.

[Webhead2006]

YEa we are likely not going to hear anything with wb untill SAG is all settled, comic con, and TDK opening. Hopefully wb will do something and get some more characters out there be that jonah hex, green arrow, jla, mos with singer/reboot superman? We just dont know what is happening with WB behind the scenes. The issue is they just dont know how to handle there dc properties at all. Hopefully things can change and some good things will happen with wb/dc. I may not be a dc comics reader but i like the various cartoons/animated films, and most of there movies. I just wish wb/dc could be more like marvel/marvel studios and get things going in the right direction and get them out for us fans/general public.

[Showtime]

There he is!

[protocida]

It's becoming very clear that the movie keeps being on hold because of Miller's desire to shoot it in Australia.

OBS: I Heard that the movie budget will be R$220 million dollars. Mora than ''The Incredible Hulk'', and it still had some Kick-Ass CGI. With Weta working on it, i'm no worried at all.

[GreenKToo]

That article got a big WTF? from me. especially this part....

''Get a lock on the League. Despite earlier reports, a studio rep told MTV News this one is now a “go.”

If their right, news or rumors should be forthcoming. we shall see.

[Showtime]

It's becoming very clear that the movie keeps being on hold because of Miller's desire to shoot it in Australia.

OBS: I Heard that the movie budget will be R$220 million dollars. Mora than ''The Incredible Hulk'', and it still had some Kick-Ass CGI. With Weta working on it, i'm no worried at all.

Wait what?

That article got a big WTF? from me. especially this part....

''Get a lock on the League. Despite earlier reports, a studio rep told MTV News this one is now a “go.”

If their right, news or rumors should be forthcoming. we shall see.

Well WB will be releasing their slate for 2010/2011 and possibly 2012 very soon. So maybe that different version of JL we have been discussing is on the board or maybe not.

[GreenKToo]

Wait what?



Well WB will be releasing their slate for 2010/2011 and possibly 2012 very soon. So maybe that different version of JL we have been discussing is on the board or maybe not.
I hope its a different version myself. I wasn't fond of the ''dawson league'' cast before.

[Showtime]

Don't you knock Dawson's Creek!

[GreenKToo]

Don't you knock Dawson's Creek!
Heh. Seriously though, I understand them wanting to appeal to the younger crowd, I really do, but they have the Flash for that.

Superman and Batman need to be older, more mature actors imo. It would be hard for me to accept a young 20 something Bats or Supes forming the league.

For example. Michael Trucco as Supes.
Clive Owen or Thomas jane for Bats.

[Showtime]

I agree, maybe that is what will happen now. Hopefully.

[jmc]

Well WB will be releasing their slate for 2010/2011 and possibly 2012 very soon. So maybe that different version of JL we have been discussing is on the board or maybe not.

When is this slate expected?

[biolumen]

Despite earlier reports, a studio rep told MTV News this one is now a “go.”I initailly read the article to mean a Warners studio rep said this, but now after reading it again, MTV's "source" could be just about anyone in the industry.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i do hope if they decide to give jla another go they decide to go with a more mature cast atless for batman/superman/ and possibly WW. Yea it was a bad idea for the young cast even tough the only younger members where dj/brody/hammer the rest were over 30 yrs old. So hopefully things can turn around for jla and they get it moving in the right direction if they are still indeed going to get it to happen in the next few years. To bad dc/wb just cant get on the ball like marvel like we all wish.

[KBX]

Well 09 is out of the question for any DC comic movie, 2010, as the days go by, look like a lost cause, so we may be looking at 2011. Now people expect TDK sequel will be out than, along with Cap, Avengers, and Spidey. Ummm... Warners better really think about this!

[Antonello Blueberry]

I hope its a different version myself. I wasn't fond of the ''dawson league'' cast before.
Again, who were the "too young" actors in the rumored cast apart from Hammer?

Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old)
Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)
D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)
Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)
Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)
Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)
Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)

The average age is 33.5

[Showtime]

When is this slate expected?

I expect it after Dark Knight, but that is up to WB.

I initailly read the article to mean a Warners studio rep said this, but now after reading it again, MTV's "source" could be just about anyone in the industry.

Right, it could be any studio rep.

Again, who were the "too young" actors in the rumored cast apart from Hammer?

Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old)
Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)
D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)
Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)
Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)
Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)
Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)

The average age is 33.5

Math has no place here. :cmad:

[Dotten]

D.J. Cotrona to replace this?

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I think not.

[dnno1]

Why would there be any kind of battle going on between WB and Miller? Most likely because if it is out Australia, Miller is out.

No, because Miller has a alterior motive. Remember, he wants to gather the old crew and later shoot "Happy Feet 2" and possibly "Mad Max 4". Also, it is still a little bit cheaper to operate in Australia since things are (or at lease were) already set up there and the (US) dollar is a little stronger.

[Showtime]

No, because Miller has a alterior motive. Remember, he wants to gather the old crew and later shoot "Happy Feet 2" and possibly "Mad Max 4". Also, it is still a little bit cheaper to operate in Australia since things are (or at lease were) already set up there and the (US) dollar is a little stronger.

Oh I know he does, I've talked about it before, but that is my point. It isn't happening in Australia, so he is wasting his time. Desperation.

[Evil Twin]

Well 09 is out of the question for any DC comic movie, 2010, as the days go by, look like a lost cause, so we may be looking at 2011. Now people expect TDK sequel will be out than, along with Cap, Avengers, and Spidey. Ummm... Warners better really think about this!

I wouldn't be so sure about that. WB still has holes to fill in their Summer movie slate. I could easily see a Jonah Hex movie start filming in the Fall and being ready for Summer. Or Sgt. Rock, which should rely more on practical effects than CGI. Supermax doesn't exactly sound special effects intensive either, other than presumably the big break out. Not every superhero/comic book movie needs months and months of filming and post-production and a $150 million budget. Heck, you probably could do Death for what it costs for catering on some really big films. I can't see JLA making it, unless WB is going to save it for a winter release, but there's some internal options available.

That's one place where DC absolutely has an advantage over Marvel. Between Vertigo, their western, and their war heroes, you can do quite a few DC properties on limited time and with reasonable budgets.

[Derrick9592]

Hey guys, here's some news that came out yesterrday about the JL movie and DC Comic's Hollywood Crisis;

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/06/23/dc-comics-hollywood-crisis-our-unsolicited-advice/#more-2823

[Showtime]

Already talking about it bud.

[birdgirl]

Again, who were the "too young" actors in the rumored cast apart from Hammer?

Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old)
Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)
D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)
Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)
Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)
Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)
Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)

The average age is 33.5

:applaud

But if you click your heels and say "the cast is too young" three times, then they all magically become the 18 year-olds that everyone keeps complaining about.

[Webhead2006]

Yea really the only young guy was hammer and then the whole dj and armie were just totally mis casting to most.

[Showtime]

Seeing shots of Hammer on set from his latest flick, the guy really would have been a fine Superman or Batman to tell you the truth. I knod of hope he stays on in some capacity if they make JL.

[TheVileOne]

Bale > Hammer. There is no other Batman. We already have a fine actor playing Batman, thank you very much.

July 23-27 will come and go without any Justice League announcement.

[KBX]

Actually 1st it was West, than Keaton, than Kilmer, than Clooney, now Bale. So there was atleast 4 Bruce Wayne's before Bale.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Bale > Hammer. There is no other Batman. We already have a fine actor playing Batman, thank you very much.

July 23-27 will come and go without any Justice League announcement.
As Bale will hardly be in a Justice League movie, do you see other options than replacing him? Do you want a Justice League without Batman?

[dnno1]

My answer would be no.

[FlawlessVictory]

July 23-27 will come and go without any Justice League announcement.

I hope so. This current incarnation looks awful.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I hope so. This current incarnation looks awful.
Really awful:
an award winning director,
an award winning cinematographer,
an award nominated production designer,
an award winning company on costumes and make-up.
I'd never see a movie with such people at the helm.

[Showtime]

Bale > Hammer. There is no other Batman. We already have a fine actor playing Batman, thank you very much.

July 23-27 will come and go without any Justice League announcement.

Who said anything about Hammer being better than Bale? :huh:

Bale isn't doing Justice League as of now, so Hammer didn't seem like a bad choice looks wise now that I look back on it.

[GreenKToo]

Maybe I was a bit abrupt in my complaining about the cast being to young.
Perhaps I should have just said i'm not feeling the vibe from them.

[Showtime]

Doesn't matter anyway, if this thing is going forward there will certainly be changes, and that is an IF right now.

[GreenKToo]

I Liked common and brody in their ( rumored) roles. The rest I wish would be changed.
Even if the same cast remains though, i'll be in line opening day.

[dnno1]

I initailly read the article to mean a Warners studio rep said this, but now after reading it again, MTV's "source" could be just about anyone in the industry.

I think it's implied to be a Warner Brothers Studio Rep. I don't think that any reporter worth his salt would just ask any other competing studio representative about a Warner Brothers film. That would be a conflict of interest and would kind of put your credibility in question as well as the outfit you represent (MTV would not be too happy about that).

[Showtime]

That has happened many a time before, news outlets do talk to other studios about projects, whether it is the right thing to do or not is up for debate. That being said, it could be a WB rep or it might not be. It's not much to go on.

[jmc]

Maybe I was a bit abrupt in my complaining about the cast being to young.
Perhaps I should have just said i'm not feeling the vibe from them.

When the JL cast is compared to the casts of Batman, Iron Man, X-Men and Inc. Hulk, it's hard to get anything close to a good vibe.

[FlawlessVictory]

Really awful:
an award winning director,
an award winning cinematographer,
an award nominated production designer,
an award winning company on costumes and make-up.
I'd never see a movie with such people at the helm.

And an awful looking cast to round it out. :down

[az824]

there are really only three cast members who dont fit, too bad two of them are really important

[Lighthouse]

Again, who were the "too young" actors in the rumored cast apart from Hammer?

Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old)
Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)
D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)
Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)
Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)
Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)
Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)

The average age is 33.5

Even so, Armie Hammer is still way too young to play Batman.

I find it interesting that Gale says JL is still a go while Routh is saying MOS is a go. I'm very surprised to see JL still alive. I think the next month is going to get very interesting.

[biolumen]

I think it's implied to be a Warner Brothers Studio Rep.Trust me, I really hope that it was a Warners rep who said it, but at this point, after all that has gone on before regarding this project, everything now posted in relation to it, rumor or otherwise, is being viewed with a highly skeptical eye.

[dnno1]

That has happened many a time before, news outlets do talk to other studios about projects, whether it is the right thing to do or not is up for debate. That being said, it could be a WB rep or it might not be. It's not much to go on.

You will have to cite an example. I find that hard to believe else the credibility of the reporter and the outlet he (and in this case, she) works for is blown. I'm pretty sure that MTV or any of its reporters are more responsible than that. And don't think that the WB wouldn't be calling up MTV to retract that statement if there wasn't some truth to it.

[Webhead2006]

Easiest thing to say no one knows what is a go and not a go.

[Nightwing1977]

Don't you knock Dawson's Creek!

Why not? It's not that special anyway. Even this clip is a prime example of why. ;)

RLgI-qbrWVo

[TheVileOne]

Really awful:
an award winning director,
an award winning cinematographer,
an award nominated production designer,
an award winning company on costumes and make-up.
I'd never see a movie with such people at the helm.

So awful that no movie is getting made right now.

[Showtime]

You will have to cite an example. I find that hard to believe else the credibility of the reporter and the outlet he (and in this case, she) works for is blown. I'm pretty sure that MTV or any of its reporters are more responsible than that. And don't think that the WB wouldn't be calling up MTV to retract that statement if there wasn't some truth to it.

So you think this has never happened before, that another studio has commented on the project of a rival studio? :huh:

[dnno1]

So awful that no movie is getting made right now.

That's not the reason why its not getting made right now. Haven't you been reading the news?

[Retroman]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/06/23/dc-comics-hollywood-crisis-our-unsolicited-advice/#more-2823
That rep says it's moving forward yet there are no press releases, cameras aren't rolling and the cast are busying themselves with other projects.:o

[dnno1]

That rep says it's moving forward yet there are no press releases, cameras aren't rolling and the cast are busying themselves with other projects.:o

That's because there could be an actor's strike within the next two weeks that could halt all productions in Hollywood. In spite of that, just because there are no press releases right now, or camera's rolling, that doesn't conclude that the project is not "a go".

[Retroman]

That's because there could be an actor's strike within the next two weeks that could halt all productions in Hollywood. In spite of that, just because there are no press releases right now, or camera's rolling, that doesn't conclude that the project is not "a go".

I can't believe they're going to strike again. The WGA strike already messed up this tv season and so many movies.:down

Reality tv FTW.:dry:

[Kevin Smith]

Another strike? This time by actors? ***damn it!

[superfreddie2]

i think dis film will b relly good coz its got all da superheros in it and if its gots like 6 superheros den it will make lots of money like 6 BILLION dolars coz all da fans from the induvidual films will go 2 see dis film and it needs 2 hav 6 enemys so dat dere is a fair fight in da film my favrate will b da flash coz he can run relly fast and hes faster dan superman wich means hes better dan superman im gonna see dis film 3 times wen it cums out

[Dark Knight]

there are really only three cast members who dont fit, too bad two of them are really important



Exactly....but I think at least FIVE don't fit at all!


Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old) -GARBAGE!....Ryan Gosling would be a far better choice!

Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)- not a great choice but is acceptable...

D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)- worse than GARBAGE! Stick with Routh!

Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)- UTTERLY DISRESPECTFUL AND RIDICULOUS! Bale or no Batman in JL...they should at least get Bale in as a cameo. IMO Batman doesn't need to be a heavy player in the JL film...so Bale may accept being in a cameo role.

Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)- CRAP! Get someone who looks and can act noble that is in there mid to late 30's or even early early 40's. McConaghey, Jason Lewis, Speedman etc....

Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)- not great, but she is visually acceptable...

Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)- has to be a more credible choice than this freakin guy??....Dennis Haysbert all the way.

[Jake Cassidy]

Exactly....but I think at least FIVE don't fit at all!


Adam Brody ... The Flash / Barry Allen (or Wally West?)(28 years old) -GARBAGE!....Ryan Gosling would be a far better choice!

Common ... Green Lantern / John Stewart (36 year old)- not a great choice but is acceptable...

D.J. Cotrona ... Superman / Clark Kent (28)- worse than GARBAGE! Stick with Routh!

Armie Hammer ... Batman / Bruce Wayne (21)- UTTERLY DISRESPECTFUL AND RIDICULOUS! Bale or no Batman in JL...they should at least get Bale in as a cameo. IMO Batman doesn't need to be a heavy player in the JL film...so Bale may accept being in a cameo role.

Santiago Cabrera ... Aquaman / Arthur Curry (30)- CRAP! Get someone who looks and can act noble that is in there mid to late 30's or even early early 40's. McConaghey, Jason Lewis, Speedman etc....

Megan Gale ... Wonder Woman / Princess Diana (32)- not great, but she is visually acceptable...

Hugh Keays-Byrne ... J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter (60)- has to be a more credible choice than this freakin guy??....Dennis Haysbert all the way.

I actually agree with you, for the most part. :woot:

I'd rather see McConaughey as Green Arrow than Aquaman and I still want Mary Elizabeth Winstead for WW.

Routh as Superman
Bale as Batman
MEW as Wonder Woman
Ryan Gosling as Flash
Common as Green Lantern
Scott Speedman as Aquaman
Dennis Haysbert as Martian Manhunter

That would be great, imo.

Who would you like to direct it?

[GreenKToo]

Great cast. The only one i'd change is Speedman, and not because he's not a good choice either, but because i've always wanted Viggo Mortensen to play Aquaman.

[Jake Cassidy]

Great cast. The only one i'd change is Speedman, and not because he's not a good choice either, but because i've always wanted Viggo Mortensen to play Aquaman.

Viggo would definately be a great Aquaman, no doubt. I just really want him to play Jonah Hex. :yay:

[Showtime]

That's because there could be an actor's strike within the next two weeks that could halt all productions in Hollywood. In spite of that, just because there are no press releases right now, or camera's rolling, that doesn't conclude that the project is not "a go".

It is a go where and with who? :huh:

[Dark Knight]

I actually agree with you, for the most part. :woot:

I'd rather see McConaughey as Green Arrow than Aquaman and I still want Mary Elizabeth Winstead for WW.

Routh as Superman
Bale as Batman
MEW as Wonder Woman
Ryan Gosling as Flash
Common as Green Lantern
Scott Speedman as Aquaman
Dennis Haysbert as Martian Manhunter

That would be great, imo.

Who would you like to direct it?


MEW would be acceptable.....McConaghey would be a decent Oliver also. I think Arthur would suit him perfectly though....especially the bearded, gruffy, version who has been through the ringer. If they decide they want Hal as the JL GL...than Jim Caviezal would be a good choice.

I would love to direct it....but I'm more of a writer! LOL

They would need to get some A or B listers for the villains as well.

[dnno1]

So you think this has never happened before, that another studio has commented on the project of a rival studio? :huh:

I don't know. Please cite an example.

[dnno1]

Trust me, I really hope that it was a Warners rep who said it, but at this point, after all that has gone on before regarding this project, everything now posted in relation to it, rumor or otherwise, is being viewed with a highly skeptical eye.

Fair enough.

[Tag279]

:ninja:oops double post my bad

[Tag279]

I agree with all of Jake's casts choices except Common for GL; and, WW is up fore debate. :cwink:

Common is too small; Boris Kodjoe would be great IMO.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x182/Tag279/boris_kodjoe_04.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Yup that is the major problem with this project we dont know what is going on behind the scenes and if its a go still and if so is miller's version happening or are they going to try a fresh approach and go with all new people including crew? Or is this in the land of developmental hell for many many years like all the other dc films that cant get out of development stage.

[Brainiac58]

I saw Common in an interview and I thought he looked liked like he could easily pull off playing green lantern physique wise. I also read an interview where he really seemed to be excited about the chance to play GL, reading comics, etc. I think that is a good sign that he respects the character and the fans. He has also been one of the only cast members to even talk about their possible role in the film besides Brody & Gale.

[Tag279]

Dangit double posted again :woot:

[Tag279]

Yup that is the major problem with this project we dont know what is going on behind the scenes and if its a go still and if so is miller's version happening or are they going to try a fresh approach and go with all new people including crew? Or is this in the land of developmental hell for many many years like all the other dc films that cant get out of development stage.

As long as they keep Bryan Singer away from it there is hope...

That guy could mess up boiled water.:hehe:

[jonmaship]

yuck ryan gosling

[KBX]

I got a question for all of you...

IF JLM got their much wanted and needed 40% tax-break, would this movie be in production?

[jmc]

I got a question for all of you...

IF JLM got their much wanted and needed 40% tax-break, would this movie be in production?

Hard to say, I find it hard to believe that a) WB automatically assumed they would be entitled to the tax-break by simply filming it in Aus, casting a few locals and hiring an Aussie director and b) the tax issue just snuck up on them, they must have known about what chances they had of obtaining the tax-break before the started work in Aus, otherwise why waste all that time and money on the slim, off chance you might get it made cheaper? And even if they did take the risk of setting up here before any deal was done, surely they would have had other location options as backups just in case. Production halted in Jan, I think if it had been a mere location issue, production I think would be either underway elsewhere or close to it, or at the very least I think we'd be hearing a lot more about the film, but something tells me it's more than just a location problem that's halted this project, I just get the feeling the writers strike may have been more of an excuse than a reason for it's tabling.

[biolumen]

IF JLM got their much wanted and needed 40% tax-break, would this movie be in production?Yes. No question about it in my mind.

Initially it was the writer's strike that delayed it from its January start, and when that ended, Warners was still big on making it, with an exec (Alan Horn, I think) even saying that the writers were polishing the script for a scheduled mid-July start. Then the news started coming out about how Oz was leaning against giving the movie the 40% rebate, and we had a few weeks of nothing but rebate debate. When the dust settled and the ruling against it was final, Warners made the decision to delay it indefinitely in order to give themselves time to figure out what to do, and that that's where things stand right now.

That last part is my guess, but yes, it's my firm belief that JL:M was ready to go after the writer's strike, the only hangup being an okay on the 40% rebate.

[Dark Knight]

Hard to say, I find it hard to believe that a) WB automatically assumed they would be entitled to the tax-break by simply filming it in Aus, casting a few locals and hiring an Aussie director and b) the tax issue just snuck up on them, they must have known about what chances they had of obtaining the tax-break before the started work in Aus, otherwise why waste all that time and money on the slim, off chance you might get it made cheaper? And even if they did take the risk of setting up here before any deal was done, surely they would have had other location options as backups just in case. Production halted in Jan, I think if it had been a mere location issue, production I think would be either underway elsewhere or close to it, or at the very least I think we'd be hearing a lot more about the film, but something tells me it's more than just a location problem that's halted this project, I just get the feeling the writers strike may have been more of an excuse than a reason for it's tabling.


Thats what I think....the production was being rushed and the story was questionable....plus they were disrespecting Nolans films and Bale....plus the overall cast was UNINSPIRING to say the least.

[Dark Knight]

yuck ryan gosling


Newsflash....Gosling is actually a good actor....unlike Brody and is probably better overall then the fan favorite Ryan Reynolds (who ended up taking the role of Deadpool in the Wolverine solo film)

[biolumen]

Thats what I think....the production was being rushed and the story was questionable....plus they were disrespecting Nolans films and Bale....plus the overall cast was UNINSPIRING to say the least.If they felt that way, I don't think they would have allowed the movie to enter pre-production, several weeks worth, as it turned out, before the writers strike delayed it. That's a considerable amount of money spent. Plus, there was that gung-ho article in Variety soon after the strike ended, but before the rebate issue surfaced.

[Webhead2006]

Yea they wasted alot of time with miller on the project. I wished they had dumped him when all the tax break issues happened. Then moved it to canada or here in the states hire a new director and give him a few months to do his own prep work and recast all or some of miller's choices and we probably could have had filming start around now- sept range. I do hope if jla does get off the ground again they try and get it in a better light like make it an epic film like a lotrs feel and get a better suited and mature cast in.

[jmc]

If they felt that way, I don't think they would have allowed the movie to enter pre-production, several weeks worth, as it turned out, before the writers strike delayed it. That's a considerable amount of money spent. Plus, there was that gung-ho article in Variety soon after the strike ended, but before the rebate issue surfaced.

Did the rebate issue just 'surface' though? Surely WB would have known as to whether or not they were entitled to a rebate long before setting up camp, surely they didn't just assume they'd get it? Where's the logic in setting up a $200 million film under the assumption you're entitled to the local government discount? I get the feeling that the tax rebate only became an issue because of other factors.

[biolumen]

Did the rebate issue just 'surface' though?Publicly perhaps, but I remember reading an article back in late December that Dan Lin had gone to Oz to try an 'sort things out'. I didn't take much notice of why he was there, but it most likely was because of the rebate issue.Surely WB would have known as to whether or not they were entitled to a rebate long before setting up camp, surely they didn't just assume they'd get it?I wouldn't put it past them to have made such an assumtion, however idiotic. Even professionals aren't infallible.Where's the logic in setting up a $200 million film under the assumption you're entitled to the local government discount?I agree that it doesn't appear logical, at least given what we know of the situation. That doesn't mean that they didn't make such a decision, especially if they decided it was a lock.I get the feeling that the tax rebate only became an issue because of other factors.The tax issue was about money, and that's Warners primary concern. Someone at Warners decided early on that the rebate was a lock, and they collectively went with it. It blew up in their face. That's how I see it.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Thats what I think....the production was being rushed and the story was questionable....
Did you read the story? Because from what I know the story was straight out of the books...

[dnno1]

I got a question for all of you...

IF JLM got their much wanted and needed 40% tax-break, would this movie be in production?

Well, if you remember the project was to start filming in late January/early February, but the script needed rewrites. The writers strike delayed all of that until the summer time frame. And then came the tax offset issue. Even if that wasn't an issue (the tax break) with a SAG strike/lockout looming, the production start date of earlier than August/September would be in jeopardy, so I don't think it ever would have been in production right now.

[dnno1]

Where's the logic in setting up a $200 million film under the assumption you're entitled to the local government discount? I get the feeling that the tax rebate only became an issue because of other factors.

It's called leverage. $200+ million is a lot of money and a big carrot to shake at a local economy. The good it would have done to Sydney in employing Australians and the fact that it would have nurtured the film industry there should have been a very tempting proposition to any (local) government. I think the rational that the WB had was that because they were contributing to the community of Sydney, they were entitled to some type of significant break from the Australian government and that the threat/bluff of pulling out would persuade them to contribute in order to keep people employed and to maintain the workforce there. The Aussies were looking at the precedence that it would have set (foreign film companies with large production budgets coming into the country to have almost half of it paid for by the Australian government) and didn't want to get into the business of heavily subsidizing the American film industry. In any case the WB had to try their hand since it did have a chance of happening (at least they got 15%). Had they not, there definitely wouldn't have been a chance at all.

[Antonello Blueberry]

People here seem to forget last week news that Warner was trying to renegotiate the first dollar share deal with Miller. Probably if they turn it to a net profit share one, it would still be viable for them to shoot the movie with him. In Australia, where they've already spent money for sets.

[dnno1]

Oh I haven't forgotten. In fact I always thought it was a dumb idea to leave Australia.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully things can get all settled and we can one day soon have the film happen. If miller is back hopefully he decides to change some things around and we get a better suited cast in most of the roles. Or if miller is out and they still want to do it find a director who is best suited for jla and get it moving in the right direction like bb/tdk is. We are just back in the darn waiting game to see if any thing will happen.

[Showtime]

People here seem to forget last week news that Warner was trying to renegotiate the first dollar share deal with Miller. Probably if they turn it to a net profit share one, it would still be viable for them to shoot the movie with him. In Australia, where they've already spent money for sets.

Oh I haven't forgotten. In fact I always thought it was a dumb idea to leave Australia.

What are we betting that this movie isn't shooting in Australia, your call. :cwink:

[FaT_tONle]

MEW would be acceptable.....McConaghey would be a decent Oliver also. I think Arthur would suit him perfectly though....especially the bearded, gruffy, version who has been through the ringer. If they decide they want Hal as the JL GL...than Jim Caviezal would be a good choice.

I would love to direct it....but I'm more of a writer! LOL

They would need to get some A or B listers for the villains as well.

That cast Cassidy threw out there is ridiculous... Gosling and MM on top of Bale/Routh??? It would make sense if these actors had their own movies before hand... but if JLA is to be the first appearance in live action of these new characters... it's best you get marginal names that can do a decent job.

[dnno1]

What are we betting that this movie isn't shooting in Australia, your call. :cwink:

Just wish me happy birthday again next year.

[Showtime]

Just wish me happy birthday again next year.

That, I can do. :cwink:

[OwlBoy]

Have people seen this? (http://io9.com/397158/baby-faced-superman-reveals-the-death-of-justice-league-movie)

[Dark Knight]

That cast Cassidy threw out there is ridiculous... Gosling and MM on top of Bale/Routh??? It would make sense if these actors had their own movies before hand... but if JLA is to be the first appearance in live action of these new characters... it's best you get marginal names that can do a decent job.



I don't think it would be impossible to get someone like Gosling to be Flash or Haysbert as MM. Marvek at least is aggresive and thinks big when casting there guys....why can't WB's do the same with DC's characters?

[X-Maniac]

Have people seen this? (http://io9.com/397158/baby-faced-superman-reveals-the-death-of-justice-league-movie)

Yes, we have seen that. Like so many of these showbiz sites, it fails to give the source of the quote. It was mentioned on the Superman forums here. And I also compiled it into a blog here (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/06/superman-actor-brandon-routh-s.html).

[Jake Cassidy]

That cast Cassidy threw out there is ridiculous... Gosling and MM on top of Bale/Routh??? It would make sense if these actors had their own movies before hand... but if JLA is to be the first appearance in live action of these new characters... it's best you get marginal names that can do a decent job.

I was just agreeing with Dark Knight. He came up with most of those. If MM stands for McConaughey, I never said I wanted him in this movie. All I said is I think that he would be a cool Green Arrow.

Considering none of the cast I presented are that well known, other than Bale and Gosling, I don't see why it's ridiculous.

[TheComicbookKid]

Why is everyone commenting on everyone else's franchises.

Silver and Routh on Justice League.
Peter Segal commenting on Man Of Steel.

Shut up if you don't know exactly what's happening.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i know guys who are not even attached to said films should not be talking about them. How would they really know what is happening what isnt happening and all that.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Ok it looks like Warner has another possibility as their second blockbuster for summer 2009.
"Clash of the Titans" directed by Louis Leterrier.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988133.html?categoryid=13

[GreenKToo]

That I would like to see.

[Showtime]

It doesn't say anything about 2009? I know it will be Green-Screen but still, seems like a tall order unless they are deep into pre-production. They need it.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i doubt clash of the titans would be ready to be a tentpole 2009 film. Unless it was a rush job.

[Showtime]

If they somehow did get Titans done, which seems like a tall order, and they pushed back Watchmen. They would be much better off going in with those two and T4. I don't know.

[Villain]

JLA Solemn news, the big screen version of Justice League of America appear to be over. We gave a thorough account of obstacles placed in the path that Warner faced(refer to bottom). Sources say that Warner Brothers will quietly shelve the project for the foreseeable future and simply will not sanction the project with new actors portraying the roles currently establish by Bale and Routh. The main sticking point being Nolan’s steadfast displeasure with the idea of JLA as a whole. Whether it be Bale’s option, from a third installment of “Batman” for an ensemble film, or a new actor cast in a watered down version of the character. Nolan is not a happy camper.

There is a strong belief that Nolan is adamant about finishing the third installment of the “Dark Knight” quickly, cutting ties with Warner Brothers, and moving on to other project he has desires to do in the very near future. He appear to be disinterest with what Warner does with the character after that.

The thought of the moment is Warner will focus its resource on Singer’s follow-up to “Superman Returns” and table JLA until after both the Singer and Nolan franchise is done. No definitive word on the status of other “spin-off” projects; and with the pending SAG strike looming, the feeling is those projects will be delayed for a reasonable amount of time.


Not even the illustrious Chris McQuarrie could pen an intriguing mystery thriller, such as the goings-on in the halls of Warner Brothers. Yet apparently, that is exactly what appear to be taking place at the fame studio conference and board rooms. Not to mention, two hugely important camps of Warner’s two major franchises. Question: “What exactly is going on over there?“ Well have no fear, VillainWatch is here. We will provide some possible answers, to what appeared to be skepticism and indecision, on behalf of the movers and shakers at Warner, for a sequel to our favorite Man of Steel and the launching of the World Finest Heroes.

We have been following developments to the sequel of “Superman Returns” intensely for well over a year. From conversation with sources and insiders, to trade shows and press conferences; attempting to separating fact from fiction, filtering through rumors and speculation, with any tangible evidence. Needless to say, finding answers has not been easy. It is like playing a mega version of “Connect the Dots” without the numbers to guide the way. Every time we think a picture is beginning to formulate, the alignment of the dots dictates otherwise. We compiled three central issues to formulate an image of what is taking place at Warner Brothers… feasibility, the Nolan Effect, and an undisclosed script.

We hear, Christopher Nolan is scheduled to visit Warner late this month for a second time. Wait! When was the first? Sources say, Nolan indeed made a brief visit to the Warner offices in late February. Conventional thinking would say the meeting most likely dealt with The Dark Knight coming release and/or marketing, maybe about Heath Ledger, and/or the future of the franchise. However, trusted souls believe the contrary. Apparently, the meeting has more to do with Warner attempt to assure Mr. Nolan of his collaboration and vision with the use of Batman and actor Christen Bale, in an ensemble film featuring members of the Justice League. Nolan in the pass has express his displeasure with the idea, commenting, “My version of Batman is not suitable for what they(WB) are trying to accomplish over there. We have establish an identity in realism that works best in its own reality.” Much seems to hinge on Warner’s attempt to calm Nolan’s fears and bring him onboard with the concept of Batman with Justice League.

Warner Brothers has always had designs for bringing its classic comic superheroes to the silver screen. First by reinventing Superman and Batman, than introducing Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Flash to the silver screen. Of course only Batman was reinvented. Superman turned out to be just a continuum of the late 70’s, while Aquaman was demoted to the small screen and fail to survive the pilot. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman and Flash is mired in endless development; and now, you could possibly add Green Lantern to the endless cycle. Warner could essentially do as it will; but feel, things work much more harmonic, when everyone reaches a consensus.

What undoubtedly has happened, both films Batman Begins($371 mil WW) and Superman Returns($391 mil WW) failed to reach Warner’s box office expectation. Superman Returns(exp $500 mil) much more so than Batman Begins(exp $400 mil). As so it goes, Batman is the more stable franchise of the two... hence Nolan’s desire to keep it that way. With the anticipated release of the Dark Knight now months away, Warner’s expectation for the film is to break the $425 million mark world-wide. Some say as high as $450 million, based off the huge following of Ledger fans. It has always been understood that Robin will never grace the screen alongside the cape crusader. A brief thought was to introduce Robin as the lead in a Teen Titans film. Although that idea lasted about as long as a shooting star, it gave rebirth to the idea of a film featuring Superman and Batman together; which had been considered before. This time, there is a major difference… along side the Justice League of America.

The popular ensemble would allow Warner Brothers to have its biggest icons, Superman and Batman grace the big screen together. Also allowing Warner to introduce other noticeable superhero characters that could later branch off into solo projects of their own, while doing product tie-ins and toy marketing… all under one budget, one film. Brilliant idea, but is it feasible? Yes, in my opinion; but who am I. However, the major pitfall has always been, under what continuity.

The Studio Chiefs wants the film to somehow fit the continuity establish by Nolan and Singer, and their respective franchises. The problem is their respective franchises have completely different themes and moving in separate paths. The animosity from both the Nolan and Singer camps with Warner Execs and the Studio Chiefs, has created the sense of a mini civil war amongst all involved.

The Nolan Camp has publicly expressed their concern that their vision of the Dark Knight will become watered down and Nolan himself has hinted he may not return for a third film. The Singer Camp resentment come from Studio encouraging the direction they wish the sequel to follow over the objection of Singer’s vision to follow-up “Superman Returns”; which he had previously outlined, his plan for the series, upon taking the chair as director of the franchise. Singer feels he’s losing creative control to the Studio and the higher ups.

Warner’s Execs wants a ensemble film solely to help launch other solo projects that are currently struggling to get off the ground. They are solely concern about monetary returns and the strength of the company. Mainly because investors are becoming a little skittish about funding these other projects, with writers being dubious as to what direction or continuity to follow, prospective director concerns with control and casting, and the pending Actors strike that looms in the future. Add to the fact, the top brass box office expectation for the Dark Knight may be a determining factor for budgeting these projects as well… so the plot thickens.

The Studio is content to keep Nolan and Singer onboard their perspective franchises along with their star actors reprising their roles; but divisions amongst the chief members of the Studio itself leaves a minority to unquestionably feel that both Bale and Routh should also reprise their roles in an ensemble film. Others are more willing to go another route, if need be, to achieve the film, hence the Mulroney‘s script. Although insiders say the majority are not really fond of the Mulroney’s script; they find it the most durable, in satisfying the Execs desire to launch the film.

The minority on the other hand, find solace in an undisclosed script, possibly written by a former writer from D.C. Comics. The script allows Bale and Routh to reprise their roles in the film and follow the same continuity the franchises has already established. Also, it has a subtle tie-in to Singer’s sequel that is to be reveal as a huge cliffhanger and plays out in the proposed JLA film. Sources say Singer appear to be more open to the idea; provided, it does not conflict with the integrity of his vision for the sequel. However, the Studio feel the script is too epic to push forward and estimates it would cost well over $250 million. A far cry and less feasible than its current budget, estimated to be anywhere between $145-$170 million. If the Studio can lobby the Australian Government for huge tax incentives and benefits, insiders say expect the Studio to drop the Mulroney script for this undisclosed script. Even so, the Studio still face issues from the Nolan Camp.

The story center around an ensemble of superheroes uniting around Superman’s attempt to prevent a major threat to himself and Earth very existence. A battered Superman is at odds with Batman on the best course of action in handling this threat. Surprisingly, Superman’s approach is what dividing the newly formed team, and much to Batman‘s dislike, a surprising ally. The team has to find a way to unite under one banner, if there is any hope at repelling this threat to earth. The story follows Singer’s adaptation of Superman’s pilgrimage back to the remnants of his ancestral planet Krypton. Unknowingly, he is spotted by a scout, whom recognize the symbol on the ship, and follows Superman to Earth. The cliffhanger is the arrival of a Conquer and his armada, to Earth.

There is a feeling that this story will encompass the essence of Nolan’s dark, solitary, persona of Batman, in hopes that it would entice Nolan’s resolve for the film. Sources are not convince Nolan will ever consent to the ideal of the project. Chances are Nolan may follow his predecessor Burton, if pushed and leave the franchise, if the studio force Bale‘s option against a third installment of Batman, for an ensemble film. Bale, who has an option-out clause, may leave as well, out of loyalty to Nolan. Hopefully, things wont get that far, and we don’t think it will. However, there are solid division amongst the camps, as Warner tries to navigate through the many landmines.

As for Singer’s follow up to Superman’s Return… it will happen despite popular belief to the contrary. The project is simply waiting to be budgeted, and production schedules, locations, and release date to be assigned.

Sadly, the feeling at the moment, Justice League is most likely on hiatus, George Miller may be out as director of JLA, and Australian incentives probably wont happen… which is easily seen as Miller’s attempt to stay attached to the project. Certainly, events could change in the coming weeks, leading up to Nolan’s July release of The Dark Knight. Until then, we will be watching.

[Webhead2006]

Where did u get what u were talking about on the top of the quote and then the quoted thing i believe i have seen before on other sites.

[I Am The Knight]

JLA Solemn news, the big screen version of Justice League of America appear to be over. We gave a thorough account of obstacles placed in the path that Warner faced(refer to bottom). Sources say that Warner Brothers will quietly shelve the project for the foreseeable future and simply will not sanction the project with new actors portraying the roles currently establish by Bale and Routh. The main sticking point being Nolan’s steadfast displeasure with the idea of JLA as a whole. Whether it be Bale’s option, from a third installment of “Batman” for an ensemble film, or a new actor cast in a watered down version of the character. Nolan is not a happy camper.

There is a strong belief that Nolan is adamant about finishing the third installment of the “Dark Knight” quickly, cutting ties with Warner Brothers, and moving on to other project he has desires to do in the very near future. He appear to be disinterest with what Warner does with the character after that.

The thought of the moment is Warner will focus its resource on Singer’s follow-up to “Superman Returns” and table JLA until after both the Singer and Nolan franchise is done. No definitive word on the status of other “spin-off” projects; and with the pending SAG strike looming, the feeling is those projects will be delayed for a reasonable amount of time.




Exactly where does this come from, Villain? :huh: It was a very interesting read.

[Antonello Blueberry]

What's this? Millar wrote a proposal for a Justice League movie too and he's trying to hype it on the Internet?

[Webhead2006]

yea were did your first part of the post come from????

[Brainiac58]

I seem to recall reading snippets from this article months ago. It adds nothing new and seems to be just more speculation. I agree that the Dark Knight's box office could have an impact on JLA and/or MOS's future but I am not sure how big box office returns will play out. If they want to get a superhero property up and running for 2010, they will likely need to have it in full production sometime between Jan. '09-May '09 to do a good job. This means we should know something for sure on JLA or MOS in just 6 to 11 months :woot:

I think they are right about one thing, we will know nothing solid until after the SAG negotiations end.

[Webhead2006]

Yea hopefully tdk does well so maybe wb will decide to try some other solo films. Yea i agree 2009 is long gone for any wb/dc films besides watchmen. So 2010 would be the earliest we can get any solo films to happen if production could start in early/mid 09.

[GreenKToo]

*IF* all that is true, sounds like we would have gotten Darkseid at the end of M.O.S., setting up J.L.

Now where have I heard that before.:D

[Webhead2006]

haha wasnt that what singer wanted for mos darkseid or doomsday but wb rejected that plan and thats why the sr writers left. So is there a source from what villain posted before the quoted thing which was from some interview months ago.

[GreenKToo]

I just thought it funny that sooo many of us suggested using Darkseid at the end of M.O.S. to set up a J.L. film.