Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Antonello Blueberry]

Legendary is not involved. I just checked the website http://www.legendarypictures.com/ and JL is not listed under their "in development" section. Superman 2 is though. I believe it's Village Roadshow who is handling JL.
Yes. Legendary is financing Watchmen and Akira, too.
My mistake.

[green]

Thanks FV. I didnt think they were.

Antonello, I only questioned you cause you're always spot on and I trust your posts.:up:

[protocida]

Village Roadshow made ''Matrix'', right.

[Dotten]

Come to think of it its not a surprise that Miller has "polished" the script. He has been involved in writing/polishing the script for all his movies, except for The Witches of Eastwick.

My guess is that there are some big changes done to the script, since it needs weeks of re-writing/polishing. :)

[Webhead2006]

Yea with that 6 weeks things who know how long it could take the writers to fix up the script. For everyone it is different it could take a matter of hrs, days or weeks or even longer to have a script they like and then studio likes. So lets wait to see how long it takes for them to get the rewrite/polishing done and all that.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yea with that 6 weeks things who know how long it could take the writers to fix up the script. For everyone it is different it could take a matter of hrs, days or weeks or even longer to have a script they like and then studio likes. So lets wait to see how long it takes for them to get the rewrite/polishing done and all that.

LOL, I see you put that quote in your sig. Nice! :woot:

[Webhead2006]

Yes i did after you guys were saying i should.

[The Guard]

They are overestimating the drawing power of these characters... they need to double check SR's numbers...

This isn't one character, though. It's six, seven or more. They're probably looking at the X-Men movies more than SUPERMAN RETURNS to gauge audience interest in the concept of a superhero team.

The problem with keeping the same continuity for each character and then ending with a JL film is the shear logistics in doing it. Not impossible, but problematic. First problem was that Justice League was only ever mooted after Batman and Superman returned to the screen, both were vastly different in interpretation, Nolan went for grounded and plausible, Singer stuck with a more Donner inspired version, both don't fit in each others universes, so there's the first hurdle.

There's no serious logistics issue here. You could easily put Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman together and no one would bat an eye. This is just a basic hurdle of Batman and Superman getting together, period. It's been working fine for years in the comics. It just takes a little creativity and some imagination on the part of the audience, who don't demand uber realism anyway, most of the time.

It is obvious this script is getting a complete overhaul. It was already rewritten by Miller's weak pen and now is being rewritten again. It wouldn't take 6 weeks to do a rewrite between two professional screewriters unless there were some major changes.

This isn't likely to be a complete rewrite. If it was, they'd be delaying this project far longer than they have due to long term location and budget issues from a complete rewrite. I'm guessing there are some major budget-related action and location changes to the script, but that the main story points will remain intact. That could take six weeks, easily, because not only would they have to evaluate rewrite said sequences in terms of budget implications, but they'd have to work out the budget details of each sequence with the director and the studio.

[Showtime]

Not necessarily. But if they want a shooting script in 6 weeks, that means the delivery of a new draft, notes from all the parties involved (WB, Legendary, etc..) and then the final draft. It could take more than 6 weeks.

I understand the process, but what were they doing the last month or so?

[Showtime]

This isn't likely to be a complete rewrite. If it was, they'd be delaying this project far longer than they have due to long term location and budget issues from a complete rewrite. I'm guessing there are some major budget-related action and location changes to the script, but that the main story points will remain intact. That could take six weeks, easily, because not only would they have to evaluate rewrite said sequences in terms of budget implications, but they'd have to work out the budget details of each sequence with the director and the studio.

It is more than just polishing the script. I mean you and I both know that polishing a script doesn't take you 6 weeks. :cwink:

[Webhead2006]

They were probably starting on the script again and didnt someone mention they have a couple other projects they are working on so they were probably using their time spilt between all their projects. Writing can be a long and growling process, some times it can be done in a short time peroid other times writers might take a much longer time to get it done. So hopefully we get some news about the new script getting handed in a relatively short time peroid from now.

[Showtime]

They were probably starting on the script again and didnt someone mention they have a couple other projects they are working on so they were probably using their time spilt between all their projects. Writing can be a long and growling process, some times it can be done in a short time peroid other times writers might take a much longer time to get it done. So hopefully we get some news about the new script getting handed in a relatively short time peroid from now.

I am not sure what project they are working on if WB is going into production with JLM right now. I know how writing works, but I have never experienced "growling" when working on a script?

Nice sig.

[Webhead2006]

I was just stating sometimes scripts could be done in a short time or it could take a long long time to write. One of my college professors is a wga member and writes scripts for things and for example he has been working on a script he hopes to sell to his agent to a studio and has been working on it off and on for over a yr.

[Showtime]

I was just stating sometimes scripts could be done in a short time or it could take a long long time to write. One of my college professors is a wga member and writes scripts for things and for example he has been working on a script he hopes to sell to his agent to a studio and has been working on it off and on for over a yr.

I think that is stating the obvious, that a each script is different and each writer is different. You're trying to use "Showtimeology" but I invented it. :cwink:

Your professor is also a professor, I believe the Kieran and Michelle are only writers at this point in their careers.

[Webhead2006]

Yea as i was saying we dont know how long it could take writers to do a script counts on how long it is, what the script is about, and if they is a deadline to get something in.

Hopefully the jla writers get their rewrite/polished script in soon and not take to long to get it into the studio. Hopefully they wont need 6 weeks as that one article was saying.

[Showtime]

Hopefully. We will just have to wait and see!

[TheComicbookKid]

But some of us are impatient and blind!:woot:

[Webhead2006]

Yea that is the problem with our society today we want everything right this second and cant wait long peroids for it.

[Mostpowerful]

TERRIBLE NEWS!! :cmad: :cmad:

I won't support this movie, no way!


I want MAN OF STEEL with Brandon Routh!

He is the ONLY Superman for me. :super:


WB sucks!

[Mostpowerful]

I'm a Marvel guy, but I love a lot of DC characters, Batman, the Flash, Supes, Green Lantern, basically the Justice League. And there is no reason that DC shouldn't be having the success at the box office like Marvel is.

The Marvel movies have been dominating hollywood for eight years now, with an equal amount of hits and misses, but I think that Marvel was incredibly smart to get ahold of the rights to their own characters, and the direction that they're going in right now looks really, really promising. Iron Man looks amazing, Hulk sounds freakin' awesome.

In my opinion, Batman Begins is not the perfect Bat movie yet, and The Dark Knight looks a lot better, but I know that Begins was still well-made, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. And I always have the Bruce Timm DVDs to watch, so I'm not complaining. And I really enjoyed most of Superman Returns, both franchises having potential. But Justice League seems doomed from the start.

It feels like WB doesn't understand how big a deal this franchise is. Or they heard that Marvel is planning on doing Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and then an Avengers movie and waned to beat them to the punch. Only problem is that they've been putting off doing a Wonder Woman movie, a Flash movie, a Green Lantern movie, and a Superman sequel. The way a Justice League movie should be made, you know, to make it EPIC.

Instead they're doing a two-hour episode of Smallville. So, you suck WB. Everybody who greenlit this thing, you suck. Everybody who casted all these little kids, you suck. You might as well make a "Teen Titans" movie, WB. The Justice League has a roster of ADULTS. You know Alex Ross? Look him up, he's got the right idea.

:up: :up: :up: Well said!

[NIGHTSWING]

TERRIBLE NEWS!! :cmad: :cmad:

I won't support this movie, no way!


I want MAN OF STEEL with Brandon Routh!

He is the ONLY Superman for me. :super:


WB sucks!



Brandon is that you posting? Hey! nothing is confirmed yet as to who is wearing the red cape, so don't get upset YET! I also would like to see BR get in on some JLA action, but time will tell.

[Webhead2006]

Yea personally for supes i rather see routh get another go at supes cause he could end up being a one movie supes like that guy who took over bond for one film during connery's run of films. Or i would take welling for supes. Those are the guys i would have for supes.

[NIGHTSWING]

Yea personally for supes i rather see routh get another go at supes cause he could end up being a one movie supes like that guy who took over bond for one film during connery's run of films. Or i would take welling for supes. Those are the guys i would have for supes.


I can see not wanting to mix Bale's Batman into this new JLA universe, becasue he's off to a good start all on it's own. Thus, you don't risk spoiling a good thing IF JLA would flop with him in it. But, Routh on the other hand could easily get tossed to the wind if this movie is a flop or a hit! As hard as it is to find a guy to fill this role I would think at his price Routh is the perfect fit for this movie. Also, it helps tie future Superman movies together having him keep doing it. The again what do I know the line for guys that can play Superman could be two blocks long!:shock

[jmc]

There's no serious logistics issue here. You could easily put Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman together and no one would bat an eye. This is just a basic hurdle of Batman and Superman getting together, period. It's been working fine for years in the comics. It just takes a little creativity and some imagination on the part of the audience, who don't demand uber realism anyway, most of the time.

2 different characters, 2 different interpretations, it's like trying to put a square peg into a round hole. You can't just throw them together, wink at the audience and say 'just go along with it', you can blame Nolan for his 'realistic' take on the series if you wish.

[Ulic Queldroma]

Is it just me or would it be the coolest thing in the world to see Bale and Routh together in a JLA film? I just think that it would work and be completely amazing. Yet WB does not see the value in bringing these two characters/actors toghether. I don't get it, why are they so blind?!?!?!? I mean it took a script leak and a deluge of nasty emails and letters to kill the dreadful JJ Abrams script for Superman. What does it take for them to see that Singer and Nolan understand the characters and that it would make sense to wait until they are finished their take on them. Then they can bring Bats and Supes together and have a director and writers and producers (Bruce Timm anyone?) and let it fly. JLA should be EPIC! Not an NBC movie of the week with no name, no talent teen actors playing the roles. I hate everything having to do with this movie...can you tell.

[Jamie Madrox]

The funny thing is, nothing is even confirmed yet, except for the fact that the movie is a go. I have heard no official news confirming anybody is cast. I've read rumors and some people claiming the roles have been cast, but heard nothing from the main source, and that's the WB.

Personally, I want to see a different Batman and Superman for this movie. Bale was awesome as Bats, when Routh did alright. They have those films, lets keep it that way. With the way this movie could turn out, I guarantee you Bale and Routh would be glad they didn't do it. So if I were Bale or Routh, I'd be smart and stick with what I got, and not push it.

So It's pretty obvious the movie will get made, and most likely not with Bale or Routh so that's something many of you need to get over. Even if the movie turns out to be a crapfest, at least we had the opportunity to see a JLA movie rather than never see one at all.

[Jake Cassidy]

2 different characters, 2 different interpretations, they don't mix.

According to you.

[FlawlessVictory]

The funny thing is, nothing is even confirmed yet, except for the fact that the movie is a go. I have heard no official news confirming anybody is cast.

So Megan Gale saying she is WW and Common saying he is GL is not enough for you?

[dark_b]

i think i will now ask a dumb question.

but why is it now different?
wasnt it in 2007 also 100% that this movie would be made and that the script is finished and is good?

so it was not true since they are changing the script. but now its februar 2008 and now its different. and now it will be 100% made or what?

[dnno1]

Has it been mentioned that Legendary is involved?

Legendary is not involved. I just checked the website http://www.legendarypictures.com/ and JL is not listed under their "in development" section. Superman 2 is though. I believe it's Village Roadshow who is handling JL.

I think it was mentioned in one of the Australian media outlets that Village Roadshow Pictures was involved.

[jmc]

According to you.

Can you honestly see Nolan's realistic interpretation Batman working with Singer's Superman without any problems, contradictions and inconsistencies?

[FlawlessVictory]

Can you honestly see Nolan's realistic interpretation Batman working with Singer's Superman without any problems, contradictions and inconsistencies?

I can. I don't understand what the problems, contradictions and inconsistencies would be? :huh:

[Jake Cassidy]

Can you honestly see Nolan's realistic interpretation Batman working with Singer's Superman without any problems, contradictions and inconsistencies?

Yes.

[jmc]

Please explain to me then how you take Nolan's Batman, one that's been established as being in a plausible and realistic universe, and put him in a film with a flying, super powered alien? Clearly I'm missing something.

[IamProdigy]

I just wanna see Common as Green Lantern even if the movie blows.

[zerohour films]

Can you honestly see Nolan's realistic interpretation Batman working with Singer's Superman without any problems, contradictions and inconsistencies?


I don't see where they wouldn't work together. To me it is really no different than having them interact within their comic counterparts.

Yes Nolan's film showed an ordinary man with extraordinary means to wage a war on crime as Batman is, but did it definitively say within it's world that a strange visitor from another planet could not exist? Or really say that any type of fantastical stuff was off limits outside Gotham city limits...not to me.

And Singer's world was stylized yes in architecture and clothing. But at the end of the day was a nice modern city and could very easily be the counter part to Nolan's Gotham just as in the comics.

But to each his own opinion.

[FlawlessVictory]

Please explain to me then how you take Nolan's Batman, one that's been established as being in a plausible and realistic universe, and put him in a film with a flying, super powered alien?

But that's how it is in the comics, right? Superman is an alien who can fly and Batman is a man who can't. Doesn't stop them from teaming up.

[jmc]

But that's how it is in the comics, right? Superman is an alien who can fly and Batman is a man who can't. Doesn't stop them from teaming up.

This isn't a comic, it's a film, it's an entirely different medium.

[Jake Cassidy]

SR was set in a realistic world as well. If you can't see that, that's your problem.

[IamProdigy]

SR was set in a realistic world as well. If you can't see that, that's your problem.


SR was retarded.

[jmc]

Realistic? Flying super powered alien, giant island formed of Kryptonite, kid throwing a grand piano, hmm, yeah, I can see the realism. :whatever:

[FlawlessVictory]

Realistic? Flying super powered alien, giant island formed of Kryptonite, kid throwing a grand piano, hmm, yeah, I can see the realism. :whatever:

Outside of flying super powered alien you're just describing a crappy movie. :yay:

[IamProdigy]

Realistic? Flying super powered alien, giant island formed of Kryptonite, kid throwing a grand piano, hmm, yeah, I can see the realism. :whatever:


Plus...that one guy looked way too much like Scott Summers, lol.

[Jake Cassidy]

Realistic? Flying super powered alien, giant island formed of Kryptonite, kid throwing a grand piano, hmm, yeah, I can see the realism. :whatever:

Real world as in where the story takes place. It wasn't some out there, futuristic, alien world. I never said the events were realistic. I don't even know why I'm talking to you.

[KBX]

I can see Bale and Routh doing a Worlds Finest... yeah, no problem with that... Both movies could co-exist with a little changes here and there...

[Jake Cassidy]

Outside of flying super powered alien you're just describing a crappy movie. :yay:

I like Superman Returns. :csad:

[jmc]

Outside of flying super powered alien you're just describing a crappy movie. :yay:

I wouldn't say crappy, just really bland and ordinary, Routh had what, 12 lines of dialogue? And what about the action? All the action was in the trailer! :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

I like Superman Returns. :csad:

I liked Routh, didn't care for anything else though. I wish we could just reboot that franchise with a new continuity (not necessarily starting with an origin film) but still have Routh. Never would happen though.

[Jake Cassidy]

I actually liked SR more than BB.

[KBX]

Superman Returns was a nice movie. The kid killed it for me though....

[Jake Cassidy]

I liked Routh, didn't care for anything else though. I wish we could just reboot that franchise with a new continuity (not necessarily starting with an origin film) but still have Routh. Never would happen though.

I wish they'd get Routh for JL and just leave Batman out of the movie entirely.

[FlawlessVictory]

I wouldn't say crappy, just really bland and ordinary, Routh had what, 12 lines of dialogue? And what about the action? All the action was in the trailer! :woot:

You're right, crappy may have been a bit harsh. I was just so let down by it. Yea, would have been nice to hear more out of Routh because I liked him in that role. Everyone else was horribly miscast, IMO.

[FlawlessVictory]

I wish they'd get Routh for JL and just leave Batman out of the movie entirely.

I'm fine with that. You see, we do agree on certain things. :cwink:

[sdc10]

personally i think Smallville did a better job modernizing Superman than SR did, which i think is what made BB such a good movie it updated Batman

[Mogwai]

^^agreed.

[Jake Cassidy]

Superman Returns was a nice movie. The kid killed it for me though....

I didn't like the kid, but as a whole I enjoyed the movie a lot more. I can't explain why. It's like with the cartoons. Batman is obviously better but I can't watch it all the time. Whereas I can sit down and watch the entire series of Superman and not get bored.

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm fine with that. You see, we do agree on certain things. :cwink:

The only thing we don't agree on is the JL movie. I want it, you don't. Everything else we seem to be on the same page about. Weird, huh? :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

The only thing we don't agree on is the JL movie. I want it, you don't. Everything else we seem to be on the same page about. Weird, huh? :woot:

LOL, yup. I'm actually up for a JLA movie, just not right now, not the way I see it's shaping up. But I think we agree on Gale as WW and we both liked Whitfield for Batman, IIRC.

[FaT_tONle]

I can see Bale and Routh doing a Worlds Finest... yeah, no problem with that... Both movies could co-exist with a little changes here and there...

Too late for that... JLA kills that opprtunity... and after JLA flops... then out of the blue WB is going to invest in WF with Bale/Routh??? I mean they could... just to distance themselves from JLA... the thing is a WF wouldn't be a prequel if they use a really young Batman like Hammer for JLA... and it couldn't be a reboot either because Bale and Routh would never be in a JLA film if they are already in a WF film... so it really wouldn't be worth it... hell it wouldn't even be the first time we saw Batman and Superman together on the big screen... basically JLA kills everything... and when the movie barely cracks 400 million (if that)... I don't want to hear the supporters crying like they are doing now with SR... WB didn't want to correct their mistakes with SR... they walked away from the sequel even though it was still salvageable... even if they make MOS what's the point? Its never going to be a mega success with what Singer brought to table... and considering they wouldn't have to worry about tying it to an ensemble movie it could NEVER garner added interest from the public as of where the franchise stands now... and lord knows what the status will be for these other DC characters... I hope Megan Gale and Common enjoy their one movie stints with WB... I mean even if Gale does a good job... WB will boot her ass out the door just like they screwed Routh over... and I can't wait till they kick George Miller's butt out the door just like they will do to Singer... WB just can't help themselves... they make crap and they blame it on the people they hired... bunch of ****ing f**g**s

[Jake Cassidy]

LOL, yup. I'm actually up for a JLA movie, just not right now, not the way I see it's shaping up. But I think we agree on Gale as WW and we both liked Whitfield for Batman, IIRC.

Yeah :yay:

[Mostpowerful]

I actually liked SR more than BB.

Me too.

SR is fantastic, and far from ordinary. In fact, it's very different to what is out there in the genre.

BB is very good, but overrated. Fans don't want to see its faults.

[Jake Cassidy]

Too late for that... JLA kills that opprtunity... and after the movie flops... WB is going to invest in WF with Bale/Routh? I mean they could... just to distance themselves from JLA... the thing is a WF wouldn't be a prequel if they use a really young Batman like Hammer... and it couldn't be a reboot either because Bale and ROuth would never be in a JLA film if they are already in a WF film... so it really wouldn't be worth it... hell it wouldn't even be the first time we saw Batman and Superman together on the big screen... basically JLA kills everything... and when the movie barely cracks 400 million (if that)... I don't want to hear the supporters crying like they are doing now with SR... WB didn't want to correct their mistakes with SR... they walked away from the sequel even though it was still salvageable... even if they make MOS what's the point? Its never going to be a mega success with what Singer brought to it... and considering they wouldn't have to worry about tying it to an ensemble movie it could never garner added interest from the public from where it stands now... and lord knows what the status will be for these other DC characters... I hope Megan Gale and Common enjoy their one movie stints with WB... I mean even if she does a good job... WB will can her ass just like they screwed Routh over... and I can't wait till they kick George Miller's butt out the door just like they will do to Singer... WB just can't help themselves... they make crap and they blame it on the people they hired... bunch of ****ing f**g**s

You still here? I thought you wouldn't bother with this anymore, since you hate it so much.

[Jake Cassidy]

Me too.

SR is fantastic, and far from ordinary. In fact, it's very different to what is out there in the genre.

BB is very good, but overrated. Fans don't want to see its faults.

I loved BB at first. It's still good, but I just got bored with it.

[KBX]

I didn't like the kid, but as a whole I enjoyed the movie a lot more. I can't explain why. It's like with the cartoons. Batman is obviously better but I can't watch it all the time. Whereas I can sit down and watch the entire series of Superman and not get bored.

No problem with that. I loved both TAS the same,(but JLU a litter more!).
SR would have been a lot better if there was no kid. IMO. That was my biggest concern for the sequel.

[Jake Cassidy]

No problem with that. I loved both TAS the same,(but JLU a litter more!).
SR would have been a lot better if there was no kid. IMO. That was my biggest concern for the sequel.

I like Justice League and Batman Beyond more than both of them, actually.

[Mostpowerful]

I wish they'd get Routh for JL and just leave Batman out of the movie entirely.

I'm not sure about that. I don't want Routh in a JL movie without Bale.

Also, I don't want Routh in a kiddie or shallow JL movie. I prefer to see him in the solo Superman movies. He doesn't need sidekicks to filll the screen.

A WF movie with Bale and Routh would Rock, though!!
I would totally support a movie like that, and see it like 20 times at the theater!

[FaT_tONle]

You still here? I thought you wouldn't bother with this anymore, since you hate it so much.

Obviously you need to read better... I said when Hammer and Cotrona are confirmed.... so keep showing your man love for this pile of crap while I still show my hatred for it....

[The Major]

Is it just me or would it be the coolest thing in the world to see Bale and Routh together in a JLA film? I just think that it would work and be completely amazing. Yet WB does not see the value in bringing these two characters/actors toghether. I don't get it, why are they so blind?!?!?!? I mean it took a script leak and a deluge of nasty emails and letters to kill the dreadful JJ Abrams script for Superman. What does it take for them to see that Singer and Nolan understand the characters and that it would make sense to wait until they are finished their take on them. Then they can bring Bats and Supes together and have a director and writers and producers (Bruce Timm anyone?) and let it fly. JLA should be EPIC! Not an NBC movie of the week with no name, no talent teen actors playing the roles. I hate everything having to do with this movie...can you tell.

They don't need to be in JL to meet each other.

They can just team up together in a movie. Wolfgang Petersen wanted to make a movie, Superman vs Batman/World's Finest, only WB went with SR instead.

[KBX]

Too late for that... JLA kills that opprtunity... and after JLA flops... then out of the blue WB is going to invest in WF with Bale/Routh??? I mean they could... just to distance themselves from JLA... the thing is a WF wouldn't be a prequel if they use a really young Batman like Hammer for JLA... and it couldn't be a reboot either because Bale and Routh would never be in a JLA film if they are already in a WF film... so it really wouldn't be worth it... hell it wouldn't even be the first time we saw Batman and Superman together on the big screen... basically JLA kills everything... and when the movie barely cracks 400 million (if that)... I don't want to hear the supporters crying like they are doing now with SR... WB didn't want to correct their mistakes with SR... they walked away from the sequel even though it was still salvageable... even if they make MOS what's the point? Its never going to be a mega success with what Singer brought to table... and considering they wouldn't have to worry about tying it to an ensemble movie it could NEVER garner added interest from the public as of where the franchise stands now... and lord knows what the status will be for these other DC characters... I hope Megan Gale and Common enjoy their one movie stints with WB... I mean even if Gale does a good job... WB will boot her ass out the door just like they screwed Routh over... and I can't wait till they kick George Miller's butt out the door just like they will do to Singer... WB just can't help themselves... they make crap and they blame it on the people they hired... bunch of ****ing f**g**s

To be honest, the question is not how much movie is going to make, its how well they made the movie. There is no question that this movie will make money, no question.

If JLA was never in motion, Bale last Batman movie is the third one in Nolan series. Hes not going to play the character forever.

[Jake Cassidy]

Obviously you need to read better... I said when Hammer and Cotrona are confirmed.... so keep showing your man love for this pile of crap while I still show my hatred for it....

Sorry. That being said I wish that they would get better people for Superman and Batman, as well. They're too important.

Unlike most people around I'm going to see it before I judge it.

[Mostpowerful]

I loved BB at first. It's still good, but I just got bored with it.

I like BB. But I'm not emotionally invested in the characters or the story much. I only watched it twice, and in my house.

I, however, will see TDK at the theater. It sounds good.

SR, on the other hand, I watched it at the theaters way too many times to count. Epic and beautiful movie. I love it, and that's why I Want a sequel. IMO, the movie has so much potential for great sequels. And I will Never forgive WB is they don't make another one. And Routh was soo perfect as Superman!

[FaT_tONle]

Sorry I didn't fully understand all of the rubbish you spewed out.

Unlike most people around here I wait to see a movie before I judge it.

I double checked my grammar so it should make sense... frankly... I don't like how the studio is investing in their characters... and frankly people are going to complain when its a 200 million dollar plus project... once you spend it and green light this thing there is no going back... I mean we did sort of know how X-3 was going to turn out... well the smart people did... I guess I was in your camp a couple of months before that got released... and believe me... it wasn't worth the wait...

[Jake Cassidy]

I double checked my grammar show it should make sense... frankly... I don't like how the studio is investing in their characters... and frankly people are going to complain when its a 200 million dollar plus project... once you spend it and green light this thing there is no going back... I mean we did sort of know how X-3 was going to turn out... well the smart people did... I guess I was in your camp a couple of months before that got released... and believe me... it wasn't worth the wait...

I enjoyed X-3. It wasn't a good movie by any means, but it's fun to watch. If you like mindless action movies, which I do sometimes. :woot:

Of course I want JL to be a hell of a lot better, though. :yay:

[The Major]

Even if the movie turns out to be a crapfest, at least we had the opportunity to see a JLA movie rather than never see one at all.

I'd rather no JL movie at all then a crappy one.

If WB think they can't get it right the first time they should postpone it until they do have the movie they believe in 100%.

They can always make a new first JL movie later on. The property isn't going anywhere.

[KBX]

Instead of people always comparing this project to the 3rd movie of a couple of Marvel franchises(Spiderman, X-men, Blade), which shouldn't be the case since this is the 1st JL movie, so we should compare this to the 1st movie in those franchises...

How did everyone like the 1st Spiderman, X-men, Blade movie? I like it.

[The Major]

personally i think Smallville did a better job modernizing Superman than SR did, which i think is what made BB such a good movie it updated Batman

I disagree.

[Jake Cassidy]

Instead of people always comparing this project to the 3rd movie of a couple of Marvel franchises(Spiderman, X-men, Blade), which shouldn't be the case since this is the 1st JL movie, so we should compare this to the 1st movie in those franchises...

How did everyone like the 1st Spiderman, X-men, Blade movie? I like it.

Didn't like Spider-Man. Really liked X-Men (second one was better). Loved Blade (even Trinity). :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

I disagree.

I like both SR and Smallville.

[The Major]

How did everyone like the 1st Spiderman, X-men, Blade movie? I like it.

First movies aren't always successes. Catwoman, Daredevil, Hulk.

All that matters is that the talent behind and in front of the camera that are suited to the franchise they are adapting. They're good it'll be a good adaption, they're bad or don't fit with the property it'll be bad.

You have that it doesn't matter what number the movie is in the franchise.

[FaT_tONle]

To be honest, the question is not how much movie is going to make, its how well they made the movie. There is no question that this movie will make money, no question.

If JLA was never in motion, Bale last Batman movie is the third one in Nolan series. Hes not going to play the character forever.

You know what... I totally get that... I respect that... three movies is enough for these actors... there is only so much you can bring to a character... but here's the deal... we aren't talking about parts five and six... we are talking about part 4... everyone is getting the extra installment these days... maybe Depp comes back as Sparrow for one more... I mean Jackman is on his way to a fourth... you can lure these actors for another installment if the incentives are there...

As for JLA being a guaranteed TF or Pirates... no way... not even close... even it is marketed to kids... it might end up like another fantastic four... Megan Gale as the lead female? I mean that's not exactly going to get it done here... so let me throw some hypotheticals out here... lets assume this film is in the 400 range... same deal with SR... and the sequel gets canned... then I say to WB go the Fox route and do spinoffs for the characters so its cheaper... and make the spinoffs prequels so that they won't be tied to the JLA movie... if that is successful... and MOS is sucessful... then at the very least try to do a WF movie... but you couldn't go back and do a JLA movie with Bale and Routh since that would be a rehash... that's the best case scenario I can see as far as making a film with Routh/Bale together... but as I said... it won't even be worth it at that point.

[mclay18]

I think maybe the trouble with the conflicting reports is that maybe Miller and WB decided to compromise on the filming locations for JL, hence why it's a go. They could shoot part of it in Australia and part of it in Canada.

Or maybe the WB relented and decided to film the entire thing in Australia.

[KBX]

Didn't like Spider-Man. Really liked X-Men (second one was better). Loved Blade (even Trinity). :woot:

I like all 3, but concerning Trinity, that cast they had would make a pretty good JL. Biel=WW, Reynolds=Flash, Snips=GL, Purcell=MM

You know what... I totally get that... I respect that... three movies is enough for these actors... there is only so much you can bring to a character... but here's the deal... we aren't talking about parts five and six... we are talking about part 4... everyone is getting the extra installment these days... maybe Depp comes back as Sparrow for one more... I mean Jackman is on his way to a fourth... you can lure these actors for another installment if the incentives are there...

As for JLA being a guaranteed TF or Pirates... no way... not even close... even it is marketed to kids... it might end up like another fantastic four... Megan Gale as the lead female? I mean that's not exactly going to get it done here... so let me throw some hypotheticals out here... lets assume this film is in the 400 range... same deal with SR... and the sequel gets canned... then I say to WB go the Fox route and do spinoffs for the characters so its cheaper... and make the spinoffs prequels so that they won't be tied to the JLA movie... if that is successful... and MOS is sucessful... then at the very least try to do a WF movie... but you couldn't go back and do a JLA movie with Bale and Routh since that would be a rehash... that's the best case scenario I can see as far as making a film with Routh/Bale together... but as I said... it won't even be worth it at that point.

Difference with Depp and Jackman is they were 1st cast in an ensemble movie, but agreed to go on with the 4th one, but now just basing a movie on them. Where as Bale, would play Bruce Wayne in Batman for 3 movies, than he would have to play Bruce Wayne in an ensemble movie, cutting a screen time way down...

[The Major]

I like all 3, but concerning Trinity, that cast they had would make a pretty good JL. Biel=WW, Reynolds=Flash, Snips=GL, Purcell=MM


That's true.

Whenever I see Purchell in Prison Break I can't believe he's the same guy from Trinity with his acting skills.

It's like night and day with his talent on those projects.

[FaT_tONle]

Difference with Depp and Jackman is they were 1st cast in an ensemble movie, but agreed to go on with the 4th one, but now just basing a movie on them. Where as Bale, would play Bruce Wayne in Batman for 3 movies, than he would have to play Bruce Wayne in an ensemble movie, cutting a screen time way down...

I knew you were going to go there... but you got to understand... the number 3 (as in 3rd movie in the franchise) is just a NUMBER... as is a fourth.... it is not a cap.... and incentives does not mean screen time neccessarily... it just means: is the opportunity good enough for me to come back? Maybe Routh and Bale would love working together... maybe Nolan would co-produce... no one knows wtf will happen six years from now... but again... its a mute point... because if we already see epic battles between Batman and Superman in a JLA it sort of takes away the luster a WF film would have had in the first place. The public would get the impression of "Been there seen that"... this was a once in a life time opportunity... it really was... it will never come again... even if they rebooted in twenty years they would have to do the same process over and over again with giving each character a few solos and then an ensemble... is anyone actually thinking about that at THIS TIME? Its just sad to see that a studio needing a freaking 2009 tentpole getting in the way of something that could have truly been great... but that's the movie business and I get it...

[The Guard]

It is more than just polishing the script. I mean you and I both know that polishing a script doesn't take you 6 weeks.

It most certainly can when you're working on budget-related elements with a studio.

Past that, people, where the hell does this "Nolan's Batman couldn't coexist with Singer's Superman" logic come from? No one's asking to have the characters just thrown together with no explanation or sensitivity to the nature of their interactions. Read a comic book. The entire POINT behind Batman and Superman interacting with other heroes, the very thing that makes the concept work, that makes them work so well together is how very different they are. And that includes Batman being more grounded and realistic a concept.

Do you people not understand that Batman in the comics is a well-trained human, and Superman is a superpowered alien, and this interplay has worked, and worked, well, for YEARS?

Is it just a sheer lack of imagination that causes you not to understand the potential of the interaction? I mean, if you don't like the idea of Batman existing with other heroes, that's one thing, but the fact is that he DOES and HAS, almost ever since he was created. And just because BATMAN BEGINS had an element of plausibility to it doesn't mean that it was actually plausible.

[echostation]

what? I thought batman begins was a real film... as in the film itself was based on some true stories though?

[Krypton Girl]

Catwoman.

Does this honestly count as anything more than borrowing a comic book character's name? :funny:

[FilmNerdJamie]

How do we know that they're not re-writing JLA without Supes and Bats?

[dnno1]

It most certainly can when you're working on budget-related elements with a studio.

Past that, people, where the hell does this "Nolan's Batman couldn't coexist with Singer's Superman" logic come from? No one's asking to have the characters just thrown together with no explanation or sensitivity to the nature of their interactions. Read a comic book. The entire POINT behind Batman and Superman interacting with other heroes, the very thing that makes the concept work, that makes them work so well together is how very different they are. And that includes Batman being more grounded and realistic a concept.

Do you people not understand that Batman in the comics is a well-trained human, and Superman is a superpowered alien, and this interplay has worked, and worked, well, for YEARS?

Is it just a sheer lack of imagination that causes you not to understand the potential of the interaction? I mean, if you don't like the idea of Batman existing with other heroes, that's one thing, but the fact is that he DOES and HAS, almost ever since he was created. And just because BATMAN BEGINS had an element of plausibility to it doesn't mean that it was actually plausible.

AMEN!

Actually, the problem here is that we have a bunch of fans of Nolan, Singer, Bale and Routh that don't want to see those franchises destroyed by the success of Justice League. They know that if that franchise is very successful, it could spin-off the characters in their own films, possibly displacing the Singer and Nolan franchises. I say let it happen if that's the case. Let the fans decide what the future of the DC/WB properties with their attendance at the box office instead of shouting about stuff you really don't know about and have no control over.

[The Major]

AMEN!

Actually, the problem here is that we have a bunch of fans of Nolan, Singer, Bale and Routh that don't want to see those franchises destroyed by the success of Justice League. They know that if that franchise is very successful, it could spin-off the characters in their own films, possibly displacing the Singer and Nolan franchises. I say let it happen if that's the case. Let the fans decide what the future of the DC/WB properties with their attendance at the box office instead of shouting about stuff you really don't know about and have no control over.

WB doesn't have a spotless track record here. Skeptism isn't unwarranted.

JL holds in its hands the futures of more then one franchise. Say it does badly will WB admit they screwed up then start from scratch a few years later or give up entirely on the franchises it wants to launch with this movie? How they react will determine the future of these franchises. It's not like WB ever had that much hope in their lesser properties until now. None of the roster has even had a solo live action movie, not counting Batman and Superman.

It can go either way.

[Jake Cassidy]

[quote=KBX;14186293]I like all 3, but concerning Trinity, that cast they had would make a pretty good JL. Biel=WW, Reynolds=Flash, Snips=GL, Purcell=MM


Triple H = Aquaman :oldrazz:

Wesley Snipes would be a badass GL. :woot:

I wonder how many people who were against Biel playing WW have changed their minds now. :woot:

[ClarkLuther55]

AMEN!

Actually, the problem here is that we have a bunch of fans of Nolan, Singer, Bale and Routh that don't want to see those franchises destroyed by the success of Justice League. They know that if that franchise is very successful, it could spin-off the characters in their own films, possibly displacing the Singer and Nolan franchises. I say let it happen if that's the case. Let the fans decide what the future of the DC/WB properties with their attendance at the box office instead of shouting about stuff you really don't know about and have no control over.

Great, here comes dnno1 with his frighteningly insane bizarro-world arguments again.

You claim that the JL movie's detractors are actually SCARED by JL being "successful" and displacing Nolan/Singer/whoever. Yep, you sure nailed us. We're nothing but a bunch of fanboy nuthuggers worshipping our chosen celebrity directors and bashing on anything that may be different.

Oh please! Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe we honestly think this JL movie sounds like crap? Have all the real arguments that have been brought up, including the laughably bad cast, the FAILED rush to beat the writer's strike, the lame half-assed attempt to ride BB's success by casting freaking Talia as the big bad (alongside Maxwell Lord played by Jay Baruchel) even registered with you?

But you're psychic, so you know our deep, dark secret. We're just frightened Nolan fanboys irrationally bashing on JL.:whatever:

There is an overlap between liking Nolan/Singer/Bale/Routh and hating the JL movie. But that's just because Nolan (and to a lesser extent Singer) did a good job, making acclaimed superhero movies that didn't come across as corporate hack work.

I'm not surprised by anything you say anymore. If Wonder Woman's traditional costume (which shows up on cartoons) is an R-rating risk, or general moviegoer polls over several years are indicative of what people think about a single movie that comes out AFTER that time period, then I guess anything is possible. (to anyone who doesn't know, dnno1 actually thinks those things, I'm not making them up).

[FlawlessVictory]

^:up:

[The Guard]

No, WB doesn't have a perfect track record. No studio out there has a perfect track record. But when you think about it, WB's track record with action-adventure or fantasy adaptions, at least in terms of basic quality lately, in the last few years, tends to be pretty damn good, what with the obvious success of the Batman franchise, the Harry Potter movies, 300 and even SUPERMAN RETURNS. And let's face it, WATCHMEN looks to be shaping up nicely as well.

I mean, people whine about bizarro arguments but then their argument is "WB made CATWOMAN four years ago"? None of you know the quality/details of this storyline and the project, and if we do know the cast, we certainly don't know how they will do in the roles. You can speculate all you want, but the fact is, you do not know, and will not know until the movie is in production.

Yes, a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie is a risk, but it's obviously a calculated one. It's the freaking JLA, people. The JLA. Say that with me again. The JLA.

[The Major]

Clark:

Wonder Woman's costume isn't R-rated material. Rachel Bilson wore a version of the costume on The O.C. She filled it out very well. :D

[The Guard]

I'd fill-

Oops, I had an evil thought!

(POOF)

(points for the reference)

[Jake Cassidy]

Clark:

Wonder Woman's costume isn't R-rated material. Rachel Bilson wore a version of the costume on The O.C. She filled it out very well. :D

If it was that'd be more reason to see it. :woot: :oldrazz:

[ClarkLuther55]

Clark:

Wonder Woman's costume isn't R-rated material. Rachel Bilson wore a version of the costume on The O.C. She filled it out very well. :D

I know it isn't. Anybody sane doesn't. But dnno1 thinks so.

[Jake Cassidy]

I know it isn't. Anybody sane doesn't. But dnno1 thinks so.

Where did he say that?

[ClarkLuther55]

This thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=247730&page=3&highlight=risk).

[Jake Cassidy]

This thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=247730&page=3&highlight=risk).

Thanks again. I don't see how anyone has a problem with WW's costume from, for example, the cartoon. It's not like the audience won't be expecting her to be wearing a costume like that. Most people would know what she looks like. :yay:

[The Major]

No, WB doesn't have a perfect track record. No studio out there has a perfect track record. But when you think about it, WB's track record with action-adventure or fantasy adaptions, at least in terms of basic quality lately, in the last few years, tends to be pretty damn good, what with the obvious success of the Batman franchise, the Harry Potter movies, and even SUPERMAN RETURNS. And let's face it, WATCHMEN looks to be shaping up nicely as well.

That doesn't change the fact it will be an instant hit. The possibility is there it just as it is that it could fail. That's with any movie project.

Watchmen does look good. We won't know how it does until it is in theatres. No-one does. Same with JL.

The Batman franchise is a hit when done well. Didn't stop WB from torpedoing it with Schumacher. They're lucky Nolan was around to make it a success again.

JL's scope with the added burden of many other sub-franchises make it ten times easier to screw up then the movies you mentioned.

Films do fail in Hollywood. I'd hate for JL and the franchises within it to be punished if this incarnation doesn't succeed at the box office. That can happen. The WB would be unnecessarily hurting itself financially and the potential audiences placing blame on the properties for their mistakes if JL doesn't make a certain number in their speculation, which will be an insane amount due to the size of the project, making it another hurdle the movie has to cross to be relevant to their bean counters. Only JL doesn't have the track record of Batman or Superman to come back automatically to them. That's why it's so important for them to get this franchise right the first time around.

I'm speculating just as you are. No-one knows how well JL will do until it gets into theatres.

It's never bad to have some healthy skeptism with comic adaptions. Comic fans didn't get jaded with Hollywood for no reason.

[The Major]

I'd fill-

Oops, I had an evil thought!

(POOF)

(points for the reference)

My thoughts exactly! :D

[The Guard]

That doesn't change the fact it will be an instant hit. The possibility is there it just as it is that it could fail. That's with any movie project.

State the obvious some more. We're all real into the paranoid "It could fail!" mentality.

Watchmen does look good. We won't know how it does until it is in theatres. No-one does. Same with JL.

Interesting. Apparently having credible, respected actors in the cast does nothing to help WATCHMEN's assessment. Hmm...

The Batman franchise is a hit when done well. Didn't stop WB from torpedoing it with Schumacher. They're lucky Nolan was around to make it a success again.

Welcome to 1997. It's 2008. WB's outlook on superhero movies has clearly changed. Oh, it's the "But it COULD fail" thing again.

JL's scope with the added burden of many other sub-franchises make it ten times easier to screw up then the movies you mentioned.

Why?

Films do fail in Hollywood. I'd hate for JL and the franchises within it to be punished if this incarnation doesn't succeed at the box office. That can happen.

I'd hate for WB to scrap JLA mid-production if THE DARK KNIGHT fails. Hey. It could happen.

The WB would be unnecessarily hurting itself financially and the potential audiences placing blame on the properties for their mistakes if JL doesn't make a certain number in their speculation, which will be an insane amount due to the size of the project, making it another hurdle the movie has to cross to be relevant to their bean counters. Only JL doesn't have the track record of Batman or Superman to come back automatically to them. That's why it's so important for them to get this franchise right the first time around.

You keep stating the obvious. I mean, how many times can you repeat "There is some risk in this several hundred million dollar franchise"?

It's never bad to have some healthy skeptism with comic adaptions. Comic fans didn't get jaded with Hollywood for no reason.

I don't see healthy skepticism. I see one-sided paranoia.

[ClarkLuther55]

Even IF Justice League doesn't fail at the box office, that doesn't mean it's not a failure. Basing a movie's success purely on box office is very short-sighted, and ignores the fact that moviegoers pay for their tickets before even seeing a movie. Box office can be affected by competition and advertising. Other measures need to be considered, such as the weekly drops in box office, viewer polls, and even professional critics (critics can be out of touch with the common person, but if the vast majority of them hate a movie then it USUALLY sucks).

Batman Begins didn't exactly tear up the box office. But that was because it had the stigma of Schumacher hanging over it. The opening box office was so-so, but the movie had legs and persevered because of good word of mouth. Now The Dark Knight is one of the most hotly anticipated movies of the summer, with possibly only Indiana Jones (a sequel to a big name classic franchise) having bigger buzz.

Compare that to Fantastic Four. It received a ton of marketing, and was dumbed down for wider appeal to kiddies and teenagers. It made good money, but people WEREN'T impressed as evidenced by the sizable second weekend drop and lukewarm response from the fans. A sequel was made probably on the total box office alone, and it committed all the same mistakes that people hated in the first movie. ROTSS made less money, and a third movie most probably won't be made. Fox lost out on all the money that a 2nd and 3rd FF movie would have made, if the series was good and people actually wanted to see more of it.

If Justice League comes out and makes a lot of money, but is disposable kiddie-oriented crap that doesn't build a true following, then people won't come back for the sequel. Worse yet, ALL of DC's other heroes who are tied to the League probably won't get their solo movies made. If Justice League is even merely a disappointment, the WB could be losing out on a good half dozen if not more future summer tentpoles.

[Visionary]

I support this movie, I may not agree with everything, but I support it more than any other DC/Warner Bros. project. I personally don't want Bale or Routh as Bats/Supes in this film, period, they're not needed. Especially, Bale, put him in it and we'll have Batman fans not seeing any fault about anything-- probably why I can't stomach the Batman boards. JLA needs to be made, it's not like Batman Begins or Superman Return did great at the box office. Hell, SR can even be called a flop.

Spewing your hate won't stop this movie from being made. You wanted it to be canned and it's not happening, you wanted Bale and Routh and you're not getting them. Stop all of this fanboy crying a move the hell on.

[bunk]

I think JLA would look more appealing if I couldn't turn to Iron Man and see a fantastic cast, or Hulk and see a great cast, or TDK and see an amazing cast, or Watchmen, or even Wolverine for the most part.

It's just not a good look really.

[Showtime]

I support this movie, I may not agree with everything, but I support it more than any other DC/Warner Bros. project. I personally don't want Bale or Routh as Bats/Supes in this film, period, they're not needed. Especially, Bale, put him in it and we'll have Batman fans not seeing any fault about anything-- probably why I can't stomach the Batman boards. JLA needs to be made, it's not like Batman Begins or Superman Return did great at the box office. Hell, SR can even be called a flop.

Spewing your hate won't stop this movie from being made. You wanted it to be canned and it's not happening, you wanted Bale and Routh and you're not getting them. Stop all of this fanboy crying a move the hell on.

The irony found in the fact that you are just as much a "fanboy" for defending the movie from other "fanboys" that don't like it.

[ClarkLuther55]

JLA needs to be made,

No it doesn't. Make a lower-risk solo movie about GL or Flash, that doesn't put all of the company's eggs in one basket.

it's not like Batman Begins or Superman Return did great at the box office.

Something I just went over. Box office alone isn't a good way to gauge a film's success. TDK is arguably the biggest movie of summer 2008, because people everywhere loved BB so much.

Spewing your hate won't stop this movie from being made. You wanted it to be canned and it's not happening, you wanted Bale and Routh and you're not getting them. Stop all of this fanboy crying a move the hell on.

Except that it worked on Jack Black GL, Kryptonian CIA agent Lex, and possibly even stupid crap in this very movie (the WB is obviously not all that confident in their cast).:whatever:

[FlawlessVictory]

I think JLA would look more appealing if I couldn't turn to Iron Man and see a fantastic cast, or Hulk and see a great cast, or TDK and see an amazing cast, or Watchmen, or even Wolverine for the most part.

It's just not a good look really.

Agreed. I look at those movies and see great talent. I look at JLA and I see Arm & Hammer, Teresa Palmer, Adam Brody and possibly DJ Cotrona. If Miller doesn't plan on taking this film seriously with that cast, then I won't as well.

[FlawlessVictory]

Except that it worked on Jack Black GL, Kryptonian CIA agent Lex, and possibly even stupid crap in this very movie (the WB is obviously not all that confident in their cast).:whatever:

There's a reason why as Variety puts it, the script is being rewritten by the Mulroneys. What the exact reason is, to quote Webhead, we will have to wait and see.

[Showtime]

The cast is questionable to me, the story points seemed questionable. The problem is we don't really know what is the truth with the cast and the storylines at this point. Will I see this movie when and if it comes out? Sure I will. Will I have as much anticipation as I did for Superman Returns or Batman Begins? I don't right know, but things might change.

[Visionary]

The irony found in the fact that you are just as much a "fanboy" for defending the movie from other "fanboys" that don't like it.Oh great, someone who gets all pissy face when he sees the word fanboys. I wear the name fanboy like a badge of honor, now go sit in the corner boy. :cool:

[Showtime]

Oh great, someone who gets all pissy face when he sees the word fanboys. I wear the name fanboy like a badge of honor, now go sit in the corner boy. :cool:

Just pointing out the irony and it wasn't that hard to realize you were of the same cloth. Hope the badge doesn't prick you.

[The Major]

State the obvious some more. We're all real into the paranoid "It could fail!" mentality.

You're not listening. I'm saying it's possible not a certainty.


Interesting. Apparently having credible, respected actors in the cast does nothing to help WATCHMEN's assessment. Hmm...

That does help. The only two people who the public have credibility with in JL is Miller and Brody.


Welcome to 1997. It's 2008. WB's outlook on superhero movies has clearly changed. Oh, it's the "But it COULD fail" thing again.

Doesn't mean they don't make huge mistakes. Catwoman still got to the theatres a year before BB.

They are improving which is good. They just haven't shown they can make lesser super-hero franchises work on screen yet. JL is their first real test.


Why?

The film needs to get each JLer to work in an ensemble cast. WB doesn't have the luxury of only concentrating on one single super-hero with JL. Whatever versions they show will be the first introductions to many people whether they be good or bad. How well the movie does and how the characters are received is on JL to prove it can execute them well. It does it well everything is fine, it messes one character up their franchise is tainted by association.


I'd hate for WB to scrap JLA mid-production if THE DARK KNIGHT fails. Hey. It could happen.

Nolan's Batman has got a proven track record with BB. Miller's JL is unproven.



You keep stating the obvious. I mean, how many times can you repeat "There is some risk in this several hundred million dollar franchise"?

I'm surprised you aren't worried at least a tiny bit.


I don't see healthy skepticism. I see one-sided paranoia.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Miller does with the franchise. Doesn't mean I expect it to be absolutely perfect like you do.

[Visionary]

No it doesn't. Make a lower-risk solo movie about GL or Flash, that doesn't put all of the company's eggs in one basket.A Flash or GL movie, no thanks. Together they look like Christmas. Seriously, Warner Bros. tried Superman Returns and Catwoman, if Supes can't put asses in seats, how the hell can Flash or GL? And all comic book films are a risk, no matter how great you think they are, they rarely cost less than 150M now and that's risen to 180-200M. It's better to have 3 icons and smaller know character to help sell the film, in WB's first group movie, that's never been done before for them.



Something I just went over. Box office alone isn't a good way to gauge a film's success. TDK is arguably the biggest movie of summer 2008, because people everywhere loved BB so much.Who said alone, we haven't seen the film yet, movies don't work on what you or I like or hate. TDK will not be the biggest movie of the summer, it could be a movie that you hate...and a hell of a lot of other people like.



Except that it worked on Jack Black GL, Kryptonian CIA agent Lex, and possibly even stupid crap in this very movie (the WB is obviously not all that confident in their cast).:whatever:No it didn't, you only think it did, instead we got Superman Returns that you all hated, so good going. Personally, after SR, people might have liked the Kryptonian CIA Agent Lex, at least it would have been something new, and there was no bastard child in the mix. Even the classic Lex bored the audience into a super flop.

[ClarkLuther55]

A Flash or GL movie, no thanks. Together they look like Christmas.

They'll be "together" in solo movies about Flash or GL? Ha ha, funny. Was this a joke?

Seriously, Warner Bros. tried Superman Returns and Catwoman, if Supes can't put asses in seats, how the hell can Flash or GL?

Supes with NO FIGHTING AND A BASTARD CHILD got $200 million domestic. The WB just wanted much, much more considering the character's name recognition and the money they spent. Most other summer movies would be perfectly happy making $200 million.

And all comic book films are a risk, no matter how great you think they are, they rarely cost less than 150M now and that's risen to 180-200M.

A solo movie is far LESS risk. That's the point.



Who said alone, we haven't seen the film yet, movies don't work on what you or I like or hate alone either. TDK will not be the biggest movie of the summer, it could be a movie that you hate...and a hell of a lot of other people like.

No it didn't, you only think it did, instead we got Superman Returns that you all hated, so good going. Personally, after SR, people might have liked the Kryptonian CIA Agent Lex, at least it would have been something new, and there was no bastard child in the mix. Even the classic Lex bored the audience into a super flop.

:whatever:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i been saying this from the start we dont really know what the heck is going on in this project and as all u like to quote me we just have to wait and see what happens.

[Visionary]

Supes with NO FIGHTING AND A BASTARD CHILD got $200 million domestic. The WB just wanted much, much more considering the character's name recognition and the money they spent. Most other summer movies would be perfectly happy making $200 million.Not when you consider how much Supes cost to make and market. Warner Bros. did not like the outcome of SR box office tally. How do I know, no sequel. But hey, you seem to be happy with it. They wasn't.



A solo movie is far LESS risk. That's the point.A far less risk is NOT doing another solo Superman.



:whatever:
Oh that says alot.

I guess Warner Bros. was pleased with Superman, so much so, that they cancelled the sequel, and focused their attention on JLA instead. Rolling their eyes, like you, is exactly what WB did to Supes' sequel. :p

[Webhead2006]

Hey guy here is a new jla article from robert over at iesb for you guys to see:

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4419&Itemid=99
JLA and the Canada Debacle Plus Major Script Changes
Written by Robert Sanchez
Thursday, 28 February 2008
With the recent and honestly shocking news that JLA is expected to be in production this summer the question still remains, Canada or Australia?


Just days before the trades came back with the news that JLA was back, George Miller confirmed that the studio was looking at possibly going to shoot the film in Canada.

But did things change after the studio announced that it was planning to go in front of lens this summer?

We are hearing that Warner Bros. is currently trying to negotiate with the Australian Government to get a better tax break for the production but some of the production staff believe that Canada will end up winning over.

Regarding the status of the rewrites, we've been told the biggest problem with the current script was the lackluster third act. Apparently, the story has already been 100% reworked.

Also, the only department currently working on the film is the "art department" and apparently they are responsible for the major beats of the newly rewritten third act.

A few more new tidbits on the production…we are told some of the designs originally being considered for the look of the film have been described as "ultra-stylized".

And regarding the rumors that Batman and Superman had been removed from the story, "total bull****" is the exact response we received this afternoon from Australia.

Stay tuned for the latest news from JLA from the IESB.net!

[jmc]

And so it continues......:whatever:

[Webhead2006]

yea..... hopefully we get some dam official word straight for WB to settle all the dam bull soon.

[Superman-Prime]

Someone beat me.

So if that is true that Batman and Superman had been removed from the story, I'm all up for it.

[dnno1]

WB doesn't have a spotless track record here. Skeptism isn't unwarranted.

JL holds in its hands the futures of more then one franchise. Say it does badly will WB admit they screwed up then start from scratch a few years later or give up entirely on the franchises it wants to launch with this movie? How they react will determine the future of these franchises. It's not like WB ever had that much hope in their lesser properties until now. None of the roster has even had a solo live action movie, not counting Batman and Superman.

It can go either way.

First of all I doubt that it will do badly and let's stop thinking that way. Justice league as a media franchise has been very successful. It has longest running incarnation in the Super Friends and the "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" skeins were quite successful as well. It looks to me like they are serious about this one as well. Saying that JL will determine the fate of the characters' solo projects it akin to saying Batman decided the fate of "Catwoman". It had nothing to do with its success/failure no more than "Justice League" will.

[dnno1]

Someone beat me.

So if that is true that Batman and Superman had been removed from the story, I'm all up for it.

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[KBX]

Robert at this point, is the only rumor site I will take into account regarding this project...

Now the third act. Is that the last act? well I hope not, cause JL deserves to go out with a BANG!

ultra-stylized? what like 300? I hope not...

[jmc]

Interesting choice of words, "ultra-stylized", not quite sure how to interpret that.

[bunk]

Ultra Stylized. Maybe it'll just be a bunch of stick figures running around.

[Superman-Prime]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_2hwiLzOjm6M/Rln2C4ObfCI/AAAAAAAACTM/PPc_1rLHf-8/s320/Homer_Vs__Peter_Dream_Fight_by_AngelCrusher.jpg

What? lol

That'll save Batman Begins franchise and Superman Returns franchise. If that is true.

[Cain]

I still fail to see all the negative feedback towards this project. WB knowing them well all they lost cause of B&R seems to be nore conscious of their comic properties now. Look at the team they have on the GL movie I'm still shocked talk about a team of writers that really get comics/superheroes. Then you have Goyer the man who I personally I'm no big fan of but many of you consider to be one of the saviors of DC on film working on a Green Arrow movie. Can you believe we will see that both Hal Jordan fans and John Stewart fans will see their favorite GL on the big screen at some point. This is a bad thing because?

On JLA alone we have Oscar winning producer Barry Osborne (The only good Matrix & The LOTR trilogy), then you have Oscar Winning director George Miller (Mad Max trilogy, Lorenzo's Oil, Babe: Pig in the City). Osborne has produced projects that within the past 10 years have brought a lot of revenue to Time Warner companies. All of Miller's previous collaborations with the studio (WB) have been box office hits.

Taking that into account do you in all honesty really think they want JLA to fail? I mean really?!? these 2 dudes got to have some juice with the studio so why do you think their visions will be compromised? do you honestly think the studio wouldn't trust them and bully them around?

I think WB picked a team for this project that has proven creatively and financially reliable in the past so that's why they're risking it. I said before and I'll say it again a lot of people on this site don't really get DC. DC is all about storytelling period, continuity is Marvel's department. DC is about telling the best possible story at that given period that's how their universe expands through epic storytelling. With Marvel it's the opposite they're both good at what they do but that's why their methods are not comparable.

Intentional or not it's eerie how the DC film universe is mimmicking the comic verse in certain respects. Not just cause some of their non canon fare like Watchmen are now film bound. But because you have Superman, Batman, Shazam, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and JLA all functioning on their own. By their own terms which means they will not be limited by the vision of a combined universe which means more richer story line potential for all as the creators won't be limited by what they could do with each individual franchise. Some of the greatest stories in the history of all those properties were stand alone's unrelated to the rest of the DCU.

I think that's fantastic I can't ever buy that Superman exists in a universe where the Joker is a guy who wears make up. I would never like to see that either for the sake of the integrity of the stories told in each film univese the best thing to do is keep them apart. It's better that way. There is a universal Batman and Superman for everyone with JLA and their respective solo series could cater more to the teenage and adult audience, again this is wrong because?

WB seem to be shooting for talented people working on these projects so why not try to at least give these projects a chance before bashing? I would think people who run a billion dollar studio will possess more logic in the movie making area than a bunch of internet posters. But what do I know?

Trust me if this movie comes and ends up being a turd I'll be the first one to say it but there is absolutely nothing that tells me this right now. It just makes no sense. The only thing people seem to be harping about is the cast. I believe in a director's vision so if Miller went for these people he obviously saw something in them that fell in line with what he's trying to achieve here.

80% of the cast non of us have seen act and you have people already writing them off because of age or whatever? are you kidding? firstly good that we got unknowns cause now I could see the character secondly movie magic could make you believe that a 22 year old is older than he is. Especially if the League stays in costume at all times which since this is JLA I'm more than certain will happen. Are your imaginations that limited?

Now I would've been the first to have loved Jon Hamm as Batman and Chiwetel Ejiofor as John Stewart. But guess what this isn't my own personal 200 million dollar investment, and it's not yours either so it is what it is.

[Jake Cassidy]

Someone beat me.

So if that is true that Batman and Superman had been removed from the story, I'm all up for it.

The article says it's bull**** that they aren't going to be in it. Not the other way around. I think you should read it again. :yay:

[Showtime]

I like that phrase, "ultra stylized". I also agree 100% with Robert and have been saying it all along, there is no way this movie is happening without Batman and Superman. That rumor was started by a misintepretation of information regarding the synopsis.

[Jake Cassidy]

I still fail to see all the negative feedback towards this project. WB knowing them well all they lost cause of B&R seems to be nore conscious of their comic properties now. Look at the team they have on the GL movie I'm still shocked talk about a team of writers that really get comics/superheroes. Then you have Goyer the man who I personally I'm no big fan of but many of you consider to be one of the saviors of DC on film working on a Green Arrow movie. Can you believe we will see that both Hal Jordan fans and John Stewart fans will see their favorite GL on the big screen at some point. This is a bad thing because?

On JLA alone we have Oscar winning producer Barry Osborne (The only good Matrix & The LOTR trilogy), then you have Oscar Winning director George Miller (Mad Max trilogy, Lorenzo's Oil, Babe: Pig in the City). Osborne has produced projects that within the past 10 years have brought a lot of revenue to Time Warner companies. All of Miller's previous collaborations with the studio (WB) have been box office hits.

Taking that into account do you in all honesty really think they want JLA to fail? I mean really?!? these 2 dudes got to have some juice with the studio so why do you think their visions will be compromised? do you honestly think the studio wouldn't trust them and bully them around?

I think WB picked a team for this project that has proven creatively and financially reliable in the past so that's why they're risking it. I said before and I'll say it again a lot of people on this site don't really get DC. DC is all about storytelling period, continuity is Marvel's department. DC is about telling the best possible story at that given period that's how their universe expands through epic storytelling. With Marvel it's the opposite they're both good at what they do but that's why their methods are not comparable.

Intentional or not it's eerie how the DC film universe is mimmicking the comic verse in certain respects. Not just cause some of their non canon fare like Watchmen are now film bound. But because you have Superman, Batman, Shazam, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and JLA all functioning on their own. By their own terms which means they will not be limited by the vision of a combined universe which means more richer story line potential for all as the creators won't be limited by what they could do with each individual franchise. Some of the greatest stories in the history of all those properties were stand alone's unrelated to the rest of the DCU.

I think that's fantastic I can't ever buy that Superman exists in a universe where the Joker is a guy who wears make up. I would never like to see that either for the sake of the integrity of the stories told in each film univese the best thing to do is keep them apart. It's better that way. There is a universal Batman and Superman for everyone with JLA and their respective solo series could cater more to the teenage and adult audience, again this is wrong because?

WB seem to be shooting for talented people working on these projects so why not try to at least give these projects a chance before bashing? I would think people who run a billion dollar studio will possess more logic in the movie making area than a bunch of internet posters. But what do I know?

Trust me if this movie comes and ends up being a turd I'll be the first one to say it but there is absolutely nothing that tells me this right now. It just makes no sense. The only thing people seem to be harping about is the cast. I believe in a director's vision so if Miller went for these people he obviously saw something in them that fell in line with what he's trying to achieve here.

80% of the cast non of us have seen act and you have people already writing them off because of age or whatever? are you kidding? firstly good that we got unknowns cause now I could see the character secondly movie magic could make you believe that a 22 year old is older than he is. Especially if the League stays in costume at all times which since this is JLA I'm more than certain will happen. Are your imaginations that limited?

Now I would've been the first to have loved Jon Hamm as Batman and Chiwetel Ejiofor as John Stewart. But guess what this isn't my own personal 200 million dollar investment, and it's not yours either so it is what it is.

:woot: Well thought out and well said.

[KBX]

Great post Cain.

[Jake Cassidy]

I like that phrase, "ultra stylized". I also agree 100% with Robert and have been saying it all along, there is no way this movie is happening without Batman and Superman. That rumor was started by a misintepretation of information regarding the synopsis.

It's funny that anyone believed that. It's like making an X-Men movie without Wolverine, Transformers without Optimus Prime or G.I. Joe without Snake Eyes. It's never gonna happen. :woot:

[AragornKing1]

I like that phrase, "ultra stylized". I also agree 100% with Robert and have been saying it all along, there is no way this movie is happening without Batman and Superman. That rumor was started by a misintepretation of information regarding the synopsis.

Does this mean, Showtime, that Doomsday is going to be in it?

[Showtime]

It's funny that anyone believed that. It's like making an X-Men movie without Wolverine, Transformers without Optimus Prime or G.I. Joe without Snake Eyes. It's never gonna happen. :woot:

I don't understand it myself.

Does this mean, Showtime, that Doomsday is going to be in it?

You know what, I am not a big fan of the Death of Superman Arc, and really didn't want to see it on screen in any capacity considering we have seen it in the comics and in the recent released animated version. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a huge threat like Doomsday confront the Justice League.

[Nicola]

I still fail to see all the negative feedback towards this project. WB knowing them well all they lost cause of B&R seems to be nore conscious of their comic properties now. Look at the team they have on the GL movie I'm still shocked talk about a team of writers that really get comics/superheroes. Then you have Goyer the man who I personally I'm no big fan of but many of you consider to be one of the saviors of DC on film working on a Green Arrow movie. Can you believe we will see that both Hal Jordan fans and John Stewart fans will see their favorite GL on the big screen at some point. This is a bad thing because?

On JLA alone we have Oscar winning producer Barry Osborne (The only good Matrix & The LOTR trilogy), then you have Oscar Winning director George Miller (Mad Max trilogy, Lorenzo's Oil, Babe: Pig in the City). Osborne has produced projects that within the past 10 years have brought a lot of revenue to Time Warner companies. All of Miller's previous collaborations with the studio (WB) have been box office hits.

Taking that into account do you in all honesty really think they want JLA to fail? I mean really?!? these 2 dudes got to have some juice with the studio so why do you think their visions will be compromised? do you honestly think the studio wouldn't trust them and bully them around?

I think WB picked a team for this project that has proven creatively and financially reliable in the past so that's why they're risking it. I said before and I'll say it again a lot of people on this site don't really get DC. DC is all about storytelling period, continuity is Marvel's department. DC is about telling the best possible story at that given period that's how their universe expands through epic storytelling. With Marvel it's the opposite they're both good at what they do but that's why their methods are not comparable.

Intentional or not it's eerie how the DC film universe is mimmicking the comic verse in certain respects. Not just cause some of their non canon fare like Watchmen are now film bound. But because you have Superman, Batman, Shazam, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and JLA all functioning on their own. By their own terms which means they will not be limited by the vision of a combined universe which means more richer story line potential for all as the creators won't be limited by what they could do with each individual franchise. Some of the greatest stories in the history of all those properties were stand alone's unrelated to the rest of the DCU.

I think that's fantastic I can't ever buy that Superman exists in a universe where the Joker is a guy who wears make up. I would never like to see that either for the sake of the integrity of the stories told in each film univese the best thing to do is keep them apart. It's better that way. There is a universal Batman and Superman for everyone with JLA and their respective solo series could cater more to the teenage and adult audience, again this is wrong because?

WB seem to be shooting for talented people working on these projects so why not try to at least give these projects a chance before bashing? I would think people who run a billion dollar studio will possess more logic in the movie making area than a bunch of internet posters. But what do I know?

Trust me if this movie comes and ends up being a turd I'll be the first one to say it but there is absolutely nothing that tells me this right now. It just makes no sense. The only thing people seem to be harping about is the cast. I believe in a director's vision so if Miller went for these people he obviously saw something in them that fell in line with what he's trying to achieve here.

80% of the cast non of us have seen act and you have people already writing them off because of age or whatever? are you kidding? firstly good that we got unknowns cause now I could see the character secondly movie magic could make you believe that a 22 year old is older than he is. Especially if the League stays in costume at all times which since this is JLA I'm more than certain will happen. Are your imaginations that limited?

Now I would've been the first to have loved Jon Hamm as Batman and Chiwetel Ejiofor as John Stewart. But guess what this isn't my own personal 200 million dollar investment, and it's not yours either so it is what it is.

Thank you for putting into words what I have been wanting to say but never having the time to do so.

There are SO many more things going for this movie (proven track records of the primary creators) than going against it (an actors age or experience).

I think this director and this producer have every chance of pulling off one of the best superhero films of all time. We'll have to wait and see.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ What I like about Doomsday is that he's someone that Superman can unleash himself on, instead of always holding himself back.

[Jake Cassidy]

Thank you for putting into words what I have been wanting to say but never having the time to do so.

There are SO many more things going for this movie (proven track records of the primary creators) than going against it (an actors age or experience).

I think this director and this producer have every chance of pulling off one of the best superhero films of all time. We'll have to wait and see.

I agree. Look at Barry Osborne's track record. Apocalypse Now, The Matrix, Lord of The Rings trilogy. Wow.

[bunk]

That's why White Martians would rock. Imagine the fight scenes...

[Jake Cassidy]

That's why White Martians would rock. Imagine the fight scenes...

Were you referring to my post about Doomsday? If so, I'd love to see the White Martians, but the OMACs can provide good fight scenes too. Superman can go ape**** on them without worrying about hurting anyone. :woot:

[KBX]

That's why White Martians would rock. Imagine the fight scenes...

I agree, but I don't think the WB would want an Alien invasion in one of their comicbook movies... especially if the title is Justice League : Mortal... but I could be wrong...

[Jake Cassidy]

I agree, but I don't think the WB would want an Alien invasion in one of their comicbook movies... especially if the title is Justice League : Mortal... but I could be wrong...

Like I said, I'd love to see the martians, but alien invasions in movies are very common.

[Superman-Prime]

If Batman and Superman are in JLA movie, then they'll destroy Batman Begins series and Superman Returns series and replace two actors for the REBOOT movies.

Batman 1 with a different actor. No Christian Bale as Batman.

Superman 1 with a different actor. No Brandon Routh as Superman.

Plus, I will not support the JLA with different actors who will play as Batman and Superman. Forget it and not gonna happen completely. That is exactly why I prefer Christian Bale and Brandon Routh better. They are way better.

[AragornKing1]

I don't understand it myself.



You know what, I am not a big fan of the Death of Superman Arc, and really didn't want to see it on screen in any capacity considering we have seen it in the comics and in the recent released animated version. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a huge threat like Doomsday confront the Justice League.

Ok, but is Doomsday going to be in Justice League, that's if the new plot is true or not, or if the new title is about that. You did say that they reworked the story 100%.

[Jake Cassidy]

If Batman and Superman are in JLA movie, then they'll destroy Batman Begins series and Superman Returns series and replace two actors for the solo movies.

Plus, I will not support the JLA with different actors who will play as Batman and Superman. Forget it and not gonna happen completely. That is exactly why I prefer Christian Bale and Brandon Routh better.

You don't know that for certain. Stop acting like it's a fact. If you have anything to back it up I'll believe you.

[Superman-Prime]

You don't know that. Stop acting like it's a fact.

Of course, I don't know that and it's not a fact. You'll never know what'll happen.

I don't want Warner Bros to make JLA movie. AT ALL.

[dnno1]

What? lol

That'll save Batman Begins franchise and Superman Returns franchise. If that is true.

http://superherouniverse.com/art/data/518/superboy_infinite_crisis.jpg
Superboy Prime
(by Gerry (http://superherouniverse.com/art/member.php?uid=47))

I liked this one better though. Has a little anime flavor to it.

[The Major]

Like I said, I'd love to see the martians, but alien invasions in movies are very common.

Alien invasions are a staple of the Justice League.

It's not all they do just a situation that makes sense to have them working together to stop. For the movies WB is going to need to use huge threats to make the audience believe the team needs to work together to win. Villains with armies are natural for that to occur.

With OMACs they're virtually fighting an invasion its just technological sleeper soldiers not aliens.

Superman does do his best to fight sentient threats in all mediums. He doesn't kill but then again this is the movies. Most villains rarely return after one bout after being killed by the hero in action movies.

With Donner continuity Supes has killed in Superman 2. The GA wouldn't be that shocked to see him waste sentient threats. In the early seasons of Smallville villains regularly died indirectly fighting him each episode. Why would it be different on the silver screen? :confused:

[Jake Cassidy]

Ok, but is Doomsday going to be in Justice League, that's if the new plot is true or not, or if the new title is about that. You did say that they reworked the story 100%.

I doubt Doomsday will be in it.

[KBX]

thats fine, but there are plenty of people who want to see Warners make a JL movie.

If you don't want a JLA movie, just don't go see it, i'll be there the first week eating my popcorn!

[Nicola]

If Batman and Superman are in JLA movie, then they'll destroy Batman Begins series and Superman Returns series and replace two actors for the REBOOT movies.

Batman 1 with a different actor. No Christian Bale as Batman.

Superman 1 with a different actor. No Brandon Routh as Superman.

Plus, I will not support the JLA with different actors who will play as Batman and Superman. Forget it and not gonna happen completely. That is exactly why I prefer Christian Bale and Brandon Routh better. They are way better.

I just don't get this!

I can quite happily watch Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman, B:TAS, The Batman, even the '66 show all in one day and love each for their own merits.

Why can't we have two different Batmans in two different franchises at the same time? We'll all know it's Batman. The characters are more important than the actors playing them.

I'll give you that solo films require more from an actor carrying the role but in an ensemble film it's the characters that bare the weight.

[Cain]

Ugh! can you say paranoid much? here are the facts so far. It has been stated JLA will work independantly from the Superman and Batman franchise. Anybody that doesn't think TDK will be a smash hit is extremely delusional and you can bet they'd want one more movie out of Nolan to round it up since they got Bale locked for 3 anyway. Besides they have a great working relationship with Nolan.

WB is also looking for a-list writers to pitch an SR get this sequel not a reboot but an actual follow up to the last Supes movies. Also if Valkerye is a hit I think they'd budge and give Singer another shot since there were since the execs were split on him. Half loved what he did the other half is the one that optioned JLA. With all 3 franchises ago as well as potential ones in the upcoming Green Lantern and Green Arrow movie they will make a lot more cash that way which is the bottom line and all parties are satisfied.

I'll belive the BB franchise won't continue when Nolan himself says so. Same with the SR franchise and Singer. SR may have been underwhelming but still made over 200 million domestic. Movies that make that kind of gwap don't get ignored even if they underperformed. I think in due time all will be revealed and WB is just keeping their cards close for now. But hey I'm an optimistic fellow with common sense please don't shoot me.

[Bhoward]

If Batman and Superman are in JLA movie, then they'll destroy Batman Begins series and Superman Returns series and replace two actors for the REBOOT movies.

Batman 1 with a different actor. No Christian Bale as Batman.

Superman 1 with a different actor. No Brandon Routh as Superman.

Plus, I will not support the JLA with different actors who will play as Batman and Superman. Forget it and not gonna happen completely. That is exactly why I prefer Christian Bale and Brandon Routh better. They are way better.


yeah your $20 is going to make a difference in WB's $400 million box office take.

[Superman-Prime]

Whatever. May JLA and Warner Bros rot in hell for all I care. **** THEM.

[Jake Cassidy]

Whatever. May JLA and Warner Bros rot in hell for all I care. **** THEM.

Hopefully, you'll join them there.

[dnno1]

I just don't get this!

I can quite happily watch Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman, B:TAS, The Batman, even the '66 show all in one day and love each for their own merits.

Why can't we have two different Batmans in two different franchises at the same time? We'll all know it's Batman. The characters are more important than the actors playing them.

I'll give you that solo films require more from an actor carrying the role but in an ensemble film it's the characters that bare the weight.

Amen again. We certainly live with different Batmen and Superman (at least in style) in the comics. It should be no different with media like film. I think the concept is call product differentiation, where you can slightly alter your product to suit a different market or, in this case audience. Also your point about actors baring the weight (or sharing the lead role) in a film is one of the beauties of an ensemble film. There will be some character or actor that someone will like and what to go see the movie for as opposed to less choices with the solo film.

[Nicola]

Whatever. May JLA and Warner Bros rot in hell for all I care. **** THEM.

I want to be you when I grow up.:whatever:

[Superman-Prime]

How old are you? 12?

Why don't you go and look at my profile? :whatever:

I'm not even happy about JLA movie gonna be film soon. Deal with it.

[Jake Cassidy]

Why don't you go and look at my profile? :whatever:

I'm not even happy about JLA movie gonna be film soon. Deal with it.


I wasn't being literal. You're just acting like a 12-year-old. Grow up.

[Cain]

I think it has to do with the fact that there are those who have no problem with this film being made, this is their piece of the SHH sandbox and you're just spamming their threads instead of making real valid arguments as to why you think this is a bad idea. No offense dude but your "arguments" are just cut and paste from what other naysayers have been blabbering about for months. Something that just amounts to a conspiracy theory as there are no concrete facts to back any of this up.

[FlawlessVictory]

yeah your $20 is going to make a difference in WB's $400 million box office take.

Subtract another $10 or $20 from that because I won't be paying to see it either. :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

Subtract another $10 or $20 from that because I won't be paying to see it either. :woot:

Oh ****. WB's gonna go bankrupt. :oldrazz:

[Superman-Prime]

Hopefully, you'll join them there.

How about no?

I wasn't being literal. You're just acting like a 12-year-old. Grow up.

Then stop being literal. I'm not acting like 12-year-old.

Seriously, this is MY opinion and I have a right to criticize Warner Bros for making a JLA movie. They are going to kill Batman Begins/Superman Returns franchise.

[Jake Cassidy]

How about no?



Then stop being literal. I'm not acting like 12-year-old.

Seriously, this is MY opinion and I have a right to criticize Warner Bros for making a JLA movie. They are going to kill Batman Begins/Superman Returns series.

Of course you do, but nothing you say is constructive critism. They're not killing BB/SR series. How many people here have to tell you that before you get through you head?

[KBX]

I think it has to do with the fact that there are those who have no problem with this film being made, this is their piece of the SHH sandbox and you're just spamming their threads instead of making real valid arguments as to why you think this is a bad idea. No offense dude but your "arguments" are just cut and paste from what other naysayers have been blabbering about for months. Something that just amounts to a conspiracy theory as there are no concrete facts to back any of this up.

I don't know who you are, but you seriously need to post more often...

This movie looks like it is getting made, some people need to get over that. It wouldn't be the case if SR/Singer/Routh did there job. I for one, Im getting tired of these solo movies, and want something new. Im also a DC fan, and have been pushing for other DC movies to be made other than Superman and Batman. Flash, GL, WW have come, and failed. There is no question the WB has no faith in these characters in a solo movie. So people who say just wait and do JLA down the road, theres a damn good chance that Warners won't do any DC movies during down the road.

[Superman-Prime]

Of course you do, but nothing you say is constructive critism. They've already said that they're not killing BB/SR series. Stop talking ****.

Thank you for judging on me that I'm acting like 12-year-old.

That is my opinion. It sounds like you're not accepting my opinion.

EDIT: Oh, I see you edited your post. So do you have any proof that they are not going to kill BB/SR series?

[KBX]

Seriously, this is MY opinion and I have a right to criticize Warner Bros for making a JLA movie. They are going to kill Batman Begins/Superman Returns franchise.

The only thing that can kill Batman/Superman franchise are themselves.

For Batman, its Nolan not coming back for a 3rd movie, and Superman, well... they killed themselves and thats why we are getting JL...

[Jake Cassidy]

Thank you for judging on me that I'm acting like 12-year-old.

That is my opinion. It sounds like you're not accepting my opinion.

EDIT: Oh, I see you edited your post. So do you have any proof that they are not going to kill BB/SR series?

They're looking at new writers for Man of Steel. Go to the Superman boards if you want to. That's where most of the information is. I have no idea if it's going to happen or not, but it looks likely.

[Superman-Prime]

The only thing that can kill Batman/Superman franchise are themselves.

For Batman, its Nolan not coming back for a 3rd movie, and Superman, well... they killed themselves and thats why we are getting JL...

Why would they killed Batman Begins series?

Batman Begins was the best DC comic film ever I've seen in my entire life (despite the flaws), definitely better than a terrible movie called Batman & Robin.

I'm sure that The Dark Knight is gonna be a huge hit this summer.

[Superman-Prime]

They're looking at new writers for Man of Steel. Go to the Superman boards if you want to. That's where most of the information is. I have no idea if it's going to happen or not, but it looks likely.

True. Yeah, I've read that info at Superman boards.

And I'm sorry to be a airhead. My apologise, Jake Cassidy.

[Jake Cassidy]

Why would they killed Batman Begins series?

Batman Begins was the best DC comic film ever I've seen in my entire life (despite the flaws), definitely better than a terrible movie called Batman & Robin.

I'm sure that The Dark Knight is gonna be a huge hit this summer.

He said the only way that he sees the BB series ending is if Nolan decides not to come back, which has nothing to do with JL.

[Jake Cassidy]

True. Yeah, I've read that info at Superman boards.

And I'm sorry to be a airhead. My apologise, Jake Cassidy.

I'm like that nearly every other day. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

He said the only way that he sees the BB series ending is if Nolan decides not to come back, which has nothing to do with JL.

In a way though, some will argue that Nolan leaving would be because of JLA. It's no secret, and the trades have reported this, that Nolan's camp was not happy when WB announced they were moving forward with JLA.

[Jake Cassidy]

In a way though, some will argue that Nolan leaving would be because of JLA. It's no secret, and the trades have reported this, that Nolan's camp was not happy when WB announced they were moving forward with JLA.

If that's the reason it'll seem really petty.

[Superman-Prime]

He said the only way that he sees the BB series ending is if Nolan decides not to come back, which has nothing to do with JL.

Hmmm... I think I remember the article, can't remmy which it came from, but I remember the article.

I would love to see Nolan to come back for the third film.

[Jake Cassidy]

Hmmm... I think I remember the article, can't remmy which it came from, but I remember the article.

I would love to see Nolan to come back for the third film.

I think most of us would want Nolan back. But, if it doesn't happen it's not the end of the world.

Isn't it funny that we went from insulting each other to being civil in just a few posts?

[FlawlessVictory]

If that's the reason it'll seem really petty.

WB and not Nolan ultimately owns these characters so they can do whatever the hell they please. It just baffles me that they would annoy the one camp/franchise (Batman) that is actually on sure footing right now.

[KBX]

I bet the rewrites the JL are suppose to be getting would remove Talia from the script. To be honest, ill be shocked if she is still in.

Nolan can use Ledgers death as an excuse, he can use he just doesn't want to do any more, heck he can even use he wants to get paid more.... All are better excuses than a JLA movie is being made...

[Jake Cassidy]

WB ultimately owns these characters so they can do whatever the hell they please. It just baffles me that they would annoy the one camp/franchise (Batman) that is actually on sure footing right now.

I can't argue with that. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

I bet the rewrites the JL are suppose to be getting would remove Talia from the script. To be honest, ill be shocked if she is still in.

Nolan can use Ledgers death as an excuse, he can use he just doesn't want to do any more, heck he can even use he wants to get paid more.... All are better excuses than a JLA movie is being made...

She was terrible decision from the start. The greatest superheroes in the universe, together, to battle one of the threats that turns out to be Talia. :dry: To top it off, to be played by a pale ass skinny white girl. :down

[Jake Cassidy]

She was terrible decision from the start. The greatest superheroes in the universe, together, to battle one of the threats that turns out to be Talia. :dry: To top it off, to be played by a pale ass skinny white girl. :down

The OMACs are the threat. Talia and Max are more behind the scenes than anything else.

Yes, Teresa Palmer shouldn't be Talia. I'll agree with that. She'd be a great Black Canary, though. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

The OMACs are the threat. Talia and Max are more behind the scenes than anything else.

Yes, Teresa Palmer shouldn't be Talia. I'll agree with that. She'd be a great Black Canary, though. :woot:

Lets face it, Talia was in this movie because the writers were piggy backing off of BB and thought Bale would be Bats. Talia reveals herself at the end to Batman and lays into him for killing her father on that train in Gotham City (flashback most likely to that scene in BB). Something tells me, this wouldn't be as effective with Arm & Hammer as Batman. The audience would be like, WTF, Bale Batman let Ra's die, not Arm & Hammer Batman, WTF is going on?!? Too many goddamn Batman going on!!!! <heads explode in the movie theater>

Does WB really want that? :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

Will anybody in the audience, other than the fans, even remember who Ra's Al Ghul is? That's the real question. I doubt they would. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

Will anybody in the audience, other than the fans, even remember who Ra's Al Ghul is? That's the real question. I doubt they would. :woot:

I doubt they would that's why a flashback to BB would probably be necessary. But with Arm & Hammer in the fold, that could complicate things. That's why I'm betting Talia is scrapped. In fact, Moviehole ran an article a week or two ago that stated Teresa Palmer signed on to do an Adam Sandler comedy and that starts filming soon. It's possible that movie could be done by the time JLA starts but I'm not really sure.

[KBX]

Lets face it, Talia was in this movie because the writers were piggy backing off of BB and thought Bale would be Bats. Talia reveals herself at the end to Batman and lays into him for killing her father on that train in Gotham City (flashback most likely to that scene in BB). Something tells me, this wouldn't be as effective with Arm & Hammer as Batman. The audience would be like, WTF, Bale Batman let Ra's die, not Arm & Hammer Batman, WTF is going on?!? Too many goddamn Batman going on!!!! <heads explode in the movie theater>

Does WB really want that? :woot:

Flaw, Im not going to argue that Talia was suppose to be off of BB, because I think your right. Thus the re-writes are coming in. Again, ill be shocked if she is still the the script.... For all we know they've thrown the OMACs out the window, and made this an origin film....

[jmc]

How about giving the general audience a little credit instead of assuming they wouldn't remember the character that was killed off in Begins.

[KBX]

How about giving the general audience a little credit instead of assuming they wouldn't remember the character that was killed off in Begins.

Than lets give them credit to be able to realize that the Batman in JLA is different from the Batman in TDK....

[FlawlessVictory]

How about giving the general audience a little credit instead of assuming they wouldn't remember the character that was killed off in Begins.

Just because us "nerds" know everything about all of these characters and the films they have appeared in doesn't mean the audience will. This isn't JL2 where we are talking about an event that happened in JL1. This is JL, possibly referencing an event that happened in a completely different solo film. Not to mention a character, Ra's, who is barely even mentioned by name in that film and who is only in the film in the beginning and in the third act. How many people are going to hear the name Ra's Al Ghul or hear the last name Al Ghul (Talia) when watching JL and immediately put the two together. Outside of the big fans, not too many I bet.

[jmc]

Than lets give them credit to be able to realize that the Batman in JLA is different from the Batman in TDK....

Hey, I'm all for different continuity for this JL series.

[KBX]

ok... good!

[Jamie Madrox]

So Megan Gale saying she is WW and Common saying he is GL is not enough for you?

Not really. They claimed they were cast, but I never heard nothing from WB stating that. They can say whatever they want really, doesn't mean it's true.

[Crook]

They wouldn't be saying they were cast, if it was not the case. It'd be incredibly stupid on their part, and it would ruin any chance of them getting the role if it wasn't locked already.

[FaT_tONle]

I still fail to see all the negative feedback towards this project. WB knowing them well all they lost cause of B&R seems to be nore conscious of their comic properties now. Look at the team they have on the GL movie I'm still shocked talk about a team of writers that really get comics/superheroes. Then you have Goyer the man who I personally I'm no big fan of but many of you consider to be one of the saviors of DC on film working on a Green Arrow movie. Can you believe we will see that both Hal Jordan fans and John Stewart fans will see their favorite GL on the big screen at some point. This is a bad thing because?

On JLA alone we have Oscar winning producer Barry Osborne (The only good Matrix & The LOTR trilogy), then you have Oscar Winning director George Miller (Mad Max trilogy, Lorenzo's Oil, Babe: Pig in the City). Osborne has produced projects that within the past 10 years have brought a lot of revenue to Time Warner companies. All of Miller's previous collaborations with the studio (WB) have been box office hits.

Taking that into account do you in all honesty really think they want JLA to fail? I mean really?!? these 2 dudes got to have some juice with the studio so why do you think their visions will be compromised? do you honestly think the studio wouldn't trust them and bully them around?

I think WB picked a team for this project that has proven creatively and financially reliable in the past so that's why they're risking it. I said before and I'll say it again a lot of people on this site don't really get DC. DC is all about storytelling period, continuity is Marvel's department. DC is about telling the best possible story at that given period that's how their universe expands through epic storytelling. With Marvel it's the opposite they're both good at what they do but that's why their methods are not comparable.

Intentional or not it's eerie how the DC film universe is mimmicking the comic verse in certain respects. Not just cause some of their non canon fare like Watchmen are now film bound. But because you have Superman, Batman, Shazam, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and JLA all functioning on their own. By their own terms which means they will not be limited by the vision of a combined universe which means more richer story line potential for all as the creators won't be limited by what they could do with each individual franchise. Some of the greatest stories in the history of all those properties were stand alone's unrelated to the rest of the DCU.

I think that's fantastic I can't ever buy that Superman exists in a universe where the Joker is a guy who wears make up. I would never like to see that either for the sake of the integrity of the stories told in each film univese the best thing to do is keep them apart. It's better that way. There is a universal Batman and Superman for everyone with JLA and their respective solo series could cater more to the teenage and adult audience, again this is wrong because?

WB seem to be shooting for talented people working on these projects so why not try to at least give these projects a chance before bashing? I would think people who run a billion dollar studio will possess more logic in the movie making area than a bunch of internet posters. But what do I know?

Trust me if this movie comes and ends up being a turd I'll be the first one to say it but there is absolutely nothing that tells me this right now. It just makes no sense. The only thing people seem to be harping about is the cast. I believe in a director's vision so if Miller went for these people he obviously saw something in them that fell in line with what he's trying to achieve here.

80% of the cast non of us have seen act and you have people already writing them off because of age or whatever? are you kidding? firstly good that we got unknowns cause now I could see the character secondly movie magic could make you believe that a 22 year old is older than he is. Especially if the League stays in costume at all times which since this is JLA I'm more than certain will happen. Are your imaginations that limited?

Now I would've been the first to have loved Jon Hamm as Batman and Chiwetel Ejiofor as John Stewart. But guess what this isn't my own personal 200 million dollar investment, and it's not yours either so it is what it is.

As much as I disagree... tremendous post dude.

[FaT_tONle]

WB and not Nolan ultimately owns these characters so they can do whatever the hell they please. It just baffles me that they would annoy the one camp/franchise (Batman) that is actually on sure footing right now.

If Talia is gona from the script we really can't be complaining about this anymore... case is still out... but that's the deal. Any other frustration from the Nolan camp is completely has no merit and is completely unprofessional if you ask me...

[dnno1]

Lets face it, Talia was in this movie because the writers were piggy backing off of BB and thought Bale would be Bats. Talia reveals herself at the end to Batman and lays into him for killing her father on that train in Gotham City (flashback most likely to that scene in BB). Something tells me, this wouldn't be as effective with Arm & Hammer as Batman. The audience would be like, WTF, Bale Batman let Ra's die, not Arm & Hammer Batman, WTF is going on?!? Too many goddamn Batman going on!!!! <heads explode in the movie theater> Does WB really want that? :woot:

Ras Al Ghul was in the original "Justice League: Tower of Babel" story arc, which was supposedly the souce material that the writers were basing the story on. More than likely because of the Bat-Embargo (http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Bat-Embargo), Ras' could not be used in the Justice League film and is probably why Talia was supposed to be in the film (not necessarily because the writers were piggybacking off of BB and even she may be subject to the embargo). Using Bale in the picture would have only given a sense of continuity between the two franchises and helped to promote each other (the same would have been the case for using Routh as Superman). I doubt that was ever realistic, though. As far as Hammer not selling the Batman thing, that is just speculation. I don't see people being confused when time and time again different actors have played the same character and there were no real significant complaints or confusion there (Nolan's Ras' Al Ghul was supposedly confusing (http://www.batman-on-film.com/historyofthebatman_villains_rasalghul.html), but there are folks who now seem to have embraced him and Nolan). We also need to remind ourselves that in the case of the franchises we have Superman and Batman, not Brandon Routh and Christian Bale. The actor shouldn't stand out over the character (that would be a big mistake).

[FaT_tONle]

BB influence >>> Tower of Babel... that's the point were are making...

[dnno1]

BB influence >>> Tower of Babel... that's the point were are making...

Where are you getting that from?

[zerohour films]

Figured it was only a matter of time before IESB jumped back on the JL train:

JLA and the Canada Debacle Plus Major Script Changes
Robert Sanchez
Thursday, 28 February 2008

With the recent and honestly shocking news that JLA is expected to be in production this summer the question still remains, Canada or Australia?

Just days before the trades came back with the news that JLA was back, George Miller confirmed that the studio was looking at possibly going to shoot the film in Canada.

But did things change after the studio announced that it was planning to go in front of lens this summer?

We are hearing that Warner Bros. is currently trying to negotiate with the Australian Government to get a better tax break for the production but some of the production staff believe that Canada will end up winning over.

Regarding the status of the rewrites, we've been told the biggest problem with the current script was the lackluster third act. Apparently, the story has already been 100% reworked.

Also, the only department currently working on the film is the "art department" and apparently they are responsible for the major beats of the newly rewritten third act.

A few more new tidbits on the production…we are told some of the designs originally being considered for the look of the film have been described as "ultra-stylized".

And regarding the rumors that Batman and Superman had been removed from the story, "total bull****" is the exact response we received this afternoon from Australia.

Stay tuned for the latest news from JLA from the IESB.net!

Link: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4419&Itemid=99

[protocida]

I Would cut Talia.

. Beginning of the movie with the Heroes in the civil lives.

. Martian Manhunter is captureded by Lord's agents.

. Lord uses Martian Manhunter to control Superman.

. Superman faces Wonder-Woman.

. Batman reunites Green Lantern, Aquaman and Flash to help Wonder-Woman.

. Superman wakes up and saves Martian Manhunter.

. The League fights Lord's Omac army.

. Batman destroys the Omacs with a eletromagnetical generator.

. Lord runsaway.

. The league decides to stick together. Batman creats de Watchtower.

[FlawlessVictory]

Ras Al Ghul was in the original "Justice League: Tower of Babel" story arc, which was supposedly the souce material that the writers were basing the story on. More than likely because of the Bat-Embargo (http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Bat-Embargo), Ras' could not be used in the Justice League film and is probably why Talia was supposed to be in the film (not necessarily because the writers were piggybacking off of BB and even she may be subject to the embargo).

I know about the embargo but it makes no sense here. So it's ok to have two live action Batmen at the same time but they can't have Ra's in JL?! :huh: So now, even though Ra's is in the Babel story, the writers are half assing this story and leaving that character out? I'm sorry but this embargo goes out the window once we have two different Batmen on the big screen at the same time.

Which makes it even stranger that WB is going that route considering their strict policy with certain characters not appearing in different shows, cartoons etc... We never saw Bruce Wayne in a Smallville episode. Now we will have two Waynes at the movies at the same time, strange for WB, based on their history.

[Visionary]

I knew this movie had to be made, and I couldn't be happier. I'm looking forward to this film moreso than any solo Batman or Supes film.

[Webhead2006]

Figured it was only a matter of time before IESB jumped back on the JL train:



Link: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4419&Itemid=99
I posted that article last night in this thread a few pages back.

[Showtime]

Ok, but is Doomsday going to be in Justice League, that's if the new plot is true or not, or if the new title is about that. You did say that they reworked the story 100%.

I have no clue.

[FaT_tONle]

Where are you getting that from?

Those are our speculations and assumptions... just the way people feel about it... at least those who had a problem with Talia in the film.

[zerohour films]

I posted that article last night in this thread a few pages back.

Thanks, must have overlooked your post.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i posted it back on page 15 or 16.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So the movie is back on again? Yay? Nah I can't even pretend.

[Showtime]

Don't deny your excitement.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Don't deny your excitement.lol
You are correct sir, I am so excited that I actually might...um see the movie on DVD!

Seriously. Awesome fan and critic reviews and previews are a must if I am to even consider the possiblity of considering seeing this movie in theaters...because that cast sucks hard. I honestly don't understand giving the role of bats and supes to 21 year old kids?

[Showtime]

You're not alone, a lot of people feel the same way you do. Could this be as split as it was with Superman Returns?

[sdc10]

lol
You are correct sir, I am so excited that I actually might...um see the movie on DVD!

Seriously. Awesome fan and critic reviews and previews are a must if I am to even consider the possiblity of considering seeing this movie in theaters...because that cast sucks hard. I honestly don't understand giving the role of bats and supes to 21 year old kids?

Probably because WB wants to fast track this movie to theatres to make a quick buck, and by hiring no named actors they dont have to pay them that much

[FaT_tONle]

It's what you come to expect from these studios...

[The Guard]

You're not listening. I'm saying it's possible not a certainty.

I don't see you acting like it's possible. I see you acting like it's probable.

That does help. The only two people who the public have credibility with in JL is Miller and Brody.

This could end up being a good thing, that the movie features mostly fresh faces.

Doesn't mean they don't make huge mistakes. Catwoman still got to the theatres a year before BB.

When are you going to let this Catwoman thing go? Catwoman got to theatres before BATMAN BEGINS because it was in production long before a Batman restart (since 1993). WB had been struggling and losing money trying to make it for years. A LOT of subpar movies got to theatres before BATMAN BEGINS did. What is your point exactly?

They are improving which is good. They just haven't shown they can make lesser super-hero franchises work on screen yet. JL is their first real test.

JLA is not a "lesser superhero franchise". It is one of the most recognizable iconic teams in the world, consisting of, you guessed it, icons.

The film needs to get each JLer to work in an ensemble cast. WB doesn't have the luxury of only concentrating on one single super-hero with JL. Whatever versions they show will be the first introductions to many people whether they be good or bad.

Because no one's ever heard of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, or The Flash before, right? These are not unknown characters to the general public.

How well the movie does and how the characters are received is on JL to prove it can execute them well. It does it well everything is fine, it messes one character up their franchise is tainted by association.

You don't know that, you're just assuming it. People said that BATMAN & ROBIN killed superhero films. It didn't. Time heals all wounds, so they say.

Nolan's Batman has got a proven track record with BB. Miller's JL is unproven.

You're missing the point. I'm pointing out that every single superhero movie made is a "risk" on some level. They're not going to give up making them just because one underperforms.

I'm surprised you aren't worried at least a tiny bit.

I worry when I see actual reasons to worry. Rumors aren't enough. Sorry.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Miller does with the franchise. Doesn't mean I expect it to be absolutely perfect like you do.

You assume far too much about my feelings toward this project. What have I said that makes you think that I believe JLA will be "absolutely perfect"?

[NIGHTSWING]

Probably because WB wants to fast track this movie to theatres to make a quick buck, and by hiring no named actors they dont have to pay them that much



Maybe it's becasue big named actors couldn't fill the roles? Or would you like to see Tom Hanks, Johnny Depp, Harrison Ford, and Tommy Lee Jones cape up? Going young with mostly unkowns is the only way to go with this thing. Casting a guy that's early to mid 30 has him pushing 40 by the time a third flim would hit. Wouldn't make more sense to have the actor by the time the climax comes be in this prime? Casting Hammer at 21 buys that option! Casting lets say George Clooney would not! On top of that Hammer does cost tons less even with a pay increase on each movie he does, and make no mistake the only reason they do this is to make $$$. As Donald T. would say "It's just business!"

So much lack of faith and hate for a movie that has not shot one fame of flim yet! Can we not wait just abit longer, maybe to see at least the cast in costume? We have nothing, but rumors to base our feelings towards this movie right now, and it seems to me most want it stopped. Due the fact they feel the studio is doing a poor job? As Lex would say....wait for it. :whatever: Has WB not ever made a movie that was any good? These folks know how to make a movie and they sure as heck try and make money. I for one will be buying a ticket on opening night no matter what. You guys that are dooming it now are never going to be happy and will no doubt hate it and ripped it apart to the end of time or at least til DVD hits. So be it! GIVE JLA A CHANCE PLEASE.

[FaT_tONle]

GIVE JLA A CHANCE PLEASE.

Thanks but no thanks.

[NIGHTSWING]

Thanks but no thanks.



What if the movie came with free cake? Would you try giving it a chance then?

[Showtime]

I'd eat the cake?

[NIGHTSWING]

I'd eat the cake?



Who wouldn't? It's cake and it's FREE! :woot:

[ClarkLuther55]

Not when you consider how much Supes cost to make and market. Warner Bros. did not like the outcome of SR box office tally. How do I know, no sequel. But hey, you seem to be happy with it. They wasn't.

Good job not getting the point of what I said. I DID SAY that WB wasn't happy with the money considering the status of the character and the money they spent. You're "refuting" me...by saying exactly what I was saying. :whatever:

A far less risk is NOT doing another solo Superman.

Then do FLASH OR GL.

Oh that says alot.

I intentionally didn't bother with a response, because it wasn't worthy of one. People would have been happier with bastardized Kryptonian CIA Agent Lex? Give me a freaking break.:whatever:

[Dark Knight]

It's what you come to expect from these studios...


Yep....get ready for this JL film to be the equivalent of Fantastic Four....which equals garbage to me.

[FaT_tONle]

What if the movie came with free cake? Would you try giving it a chance then?

I'd rather buy the cake and sit in front of my comp so the cake company is the one making the profits and not the film...

[The Major]

I know about the embargo but it makes no sense here. So it's ok to have two live action Batmen at the same time but they can't have Ra's in JL?! :huh: So now, even though Ra's is in the Babel story, the writers are half assing this story and leaving that character out? I'm sorry but this embargo goes out the window once we have two different Batmen on the big screen at the same time.


Wouldn't the embargo include Talia? She is a regular villain slash warped love interest for Batman.

[protocida]

I Am amused by the habillity of some users to see in to the future and garantee the ''Justice League'' movie is going to flop.

[Visionary]

Good job not getting the point of what I said. I DID SAY that WB wasn't happy with the money considering the status of the character and the money they spent. You're "refuting" me...by saying exactly what I was saying. :whatever: You don't seem to get why they won't do a solo film with Flash or GL, if Superman was a flop, and it was, what the hell is The Flash or GL going to do at the box office. If your flagship character goes belly up, what the hell chance have you with two Christmas colored properties like The Flash and Green Lantern?
Then do FLASH OR GL.See above.
I intentionally didn't bother with a response, because it wasn't worthy of one. People would have been happier with bastardized Kryptonian CIA Agent Lex? Give me a freaking break.:whatever:But most people thought Superman being a deadbeat dad was a bastarization of his character. Yet you seem to love it.

Again with the eye rolling, eh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/fackoworldland/rolleyes.gif

[jmc]

I Am amused by the habillity of some users to see in to the future and garantee the ''Justice League'' movie is going to flop.

Equally amusing are those who predict it's gonna make truck loads of cash.

[FlawlessVictory]

You don't seem to get why they won't do a solo film with Flash or GL, if Superman was a flop, and it was, what the hell is The Flash or GL going to do at the box office. If your flagship character goes belly up, what the hell chance have you with two Christmas colored properties like The Flash and Green Lantern?

Superman was a "flop" because they didn't even come close to maximizing his potential. Because Singer "screwed up" and did injustice to the character, IMVHO, then other characters have to suffer? Makes no sense. Of course the movie is not going to do a bang up job at the BO when you don't have the main superhero fighting any other character. A lot of people go to superhero films to see that sort of stuff along with a great story.

A WB exec shouldn't be thinking that because Singer's Superman didn't kick ass at the BO that there is no hope for other DC heroes. Singer's Superman movie was lacking. Singer fumbled the ball, big time. Had Singer made a Superman movie that delivered on all fronts, and people still didn't show up, then I would accept that line of thought. However, as it stands, this line of thinking is completely flawed and it's a lousy excuse to abandon all solo films and go straight into JLA.

[Visionary]

Or maybe people didn't want to see a damn Donnerverse Superman, again. Plus, the other crap you've named. I'd rather they focus on JLA, it's the better choice of the two.A WB exec shouldn't be thinking that because Singer's Superman didn't kick ass at the BO that there is no hope for other DC heroes. But that is exactly what they are thinking in terms of a solo Supes and other solo projects, besides Bats. They want to test the waters with a group effort this time, being that Catwoman and Supes went belly up. Now if JLA hit big, you won't be able to stop them from making other DC movies. They already tried their biggest solo character and failed to connect with the audience, now you think people want a The Flash or GL movie, please. As it stands now, WB are scared to do another solo film until after JLA, and I don't blame them.

[AgentPat]

Seems as it's either Controna or Porter at this point. I know the Welling rumors are going to start back up again now though.Hmm. Well, may I do the honors?

Hollywood North lists Smallville's seventh season production dates as 7/9/07 to 4/12/08.
K-Site's Craig Byrne says filming for the show resumes 3/12/08.
This makes the production dates for the remaining five episodes 3/12 - 4/12.

According to an article in today's Variety, filming for Justice League begins on 5/5/08.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981668

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/jaysilentbob.jpg

[jmc]

Or maybe people didn't want to see a damn Donnerverse Superman, again. Plus, the other crap you've named. I'd rather they focus on JLA, it's the better choice of the two.

I don't think the Donnerverse is to blame, I think it's more to do with WB overestimating the Superman name, assuming the name alone would result in Spiderman like numbers, perhaps the character just isn't as relevant for today's audiences as it once was. It's possible they're doing the same again with the Justice League name, only this time it's on an untested name, spending $200 million is a massive gamble.

[Ita-KalEl]

Before continuing to say that SR was a flop, I would wait for the box office results of TDK. I still believe that SR was considered a disappointment only because at WB they expected the Spiderman numbers.
Since 2005 only "X-Men:The last stand" has been more successful than Superman Returns. Batman Begins, Fantastic Four I and II, Ghost Rider did worse than the "flop" SR.

[FlawlessVictory]

Before continuing to say that SR was a flop, I would wait for the box office results of TDK. I still believe that SR was considered a disappointment only because at WB they expected the Spiderman numbers.
Since 2005 only "X-Men:The last stand" has been more successful than Superman Returns. Batman Begins, Fantastic Four I and II, Ghost Rider did worse than the "flop" SR.

SR wasn't a flop but it wasn't a BO smash which was what WB was looking for. That's indisputable. If it was, then this very forum wouldn't even exist right now. And what TDK does is irrelevant to what SR should have done.

[The Major]

I don't see you acting like it's possible. I see you acting like it's probable.

The difference being?


This could end up being a good thing, that the movie features mostly fresh faces.

Nothing wrong with having fresh faces. Only most of these fresh faces have next to nothing on their resume. They're supposed to be playing iconic heroes that have been around for decades.

Hollywood is full of lesser known actors with better resumes. I really wonder why these were picked above the others for these characters.


When are you going to let this Catwoman thing go?

Bad adaptions will always be bought up with every adaption. WB, along with he other studios, must never forget those mistakes. They should know what went wrong to avoid making the same decisions.


Catwoman got to theatres before BATMAN BEGINS because it was in production long before a Batman restart (since 1993).

It being in production for a long time means nothing. Catwoman still ended up in theatres a year before BB hit. WB should have killed it once they were
breaking away entirely from Burton's continuity with a new Catwoman. They could have even done that when BB started production. Perhaps even making it direct to dvd.

They're lucky it didn't damage BB to much.The movie already had to deal with the backlash from Batman and Robin. Adding another crappy adaption tied to it was unnecessary.


WB had been struggling and losing money trying to make it for years. A LOT of subpar movies got to theatres before BATMAN BEGINS did. What is your point exactly?

That they do make mistakes. WB isn't perfect. With these adaptions every mistake is a big one. Just as when they succeed they get enormous praise.

Every super-hero franchise they damage must teach them something. If they know how it failed they can do their best to avoid those mistakes with future adaptions.


JLA is not a "lesser superhero franchise". It is one of the most recognizable iconic teams in the world, consisting of, you guessed it, icons.

Any DC super-hero franchise that isn't Batman and Superman isn't anywhere near as recognisable as they are.


Because no one's ever heard of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, or The Flash before, right? These are not unknown characters to the general public.

They know the most about Wonder Woman. Unfortunately it's tainted by the 70's tv show and the Super Frends. JLU helped with perception, how much remains to be seen.

GL and Flash are lower. They would know their looks and possibly their power sets but that's it. Flash having a one season tv show gave him some presence in society only it's been a decades since it was on the air. They probably don't know his real name.

GL is more widely known from he Justice League cartoon. His claim to fame being the token black man.

Your average movie goer wouldn't J'onn if he were sitting in front of them.

Aquaman is a mess with Super Friends. JLU was an improvement. If they do use him they had better make him impressive. Otherwise JL will simply add to the character's rejection as a serious hero to the GA.


You don't know that, you're just assuming it. People said that BATMAN & ROBIN killed superhero films. It didn't. Time heals all wounds, so they say.

Time does heal wounds. Unfortunately movie studios keep on making the same mistakes reopening those scabs. Which reminds everyone of the wounds that were healed to begin with. This reignites the public's skeptism in their next adaptions.


You're missing the point. I'm pointing out that every single superhero movie made is a "risk" on some level.

Risk varies.

A Batman film is less of a risk then a Flash film with its built in audience.

JL's riskier due to its budget which has got to be more then even SR with all the super-powered characters in it giving it a higher financial burden. Besides that it has the job of reintroducing or completely introducing characters to the public. Being an ensemble it will be a major task to give each character their time to shine on screen. Veteran comic writers have trouble with these characters and they write them for years. It's a bit difficult to not remain skeptical a newbie scriptwriting team can do what they couldn't in a single movie. Hopefully they did tonnes of research for each character before putting pen to paper. They screw up with any character that franchise is stuck with being linked to it in the public eye.


They're not going to give up making them just because one underperforms.

We know that they do this with Superman and Batman.

Haven't heard of any new Birds of Prey, Steel or Catwoman projects at WB after they failed.

WB showed promise with their Wonder Woman film. Only Silver didn't even manage to get it very far despite having Joss Whedon writing it for him. :confused:

Now it's dead until JL is completed.

Who knows if WB would consider giving her a solo film if it succeeds or fails.

[protocida]

Equally amusing are those who predict it's gonna make truck loads of cash.

When i did that? I Only think it's going to be a good movie. But i'll wait and see. Now you... Well... The world is full of nostradamus. Another one is not going to kill us... I Hope.

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't think the Donnerverse is to blame, I think it's more to do with WB overestimating the Superman name, assuming the name alone would result in Spiderman like numbers, perhaps the character just isn't as relevant for today's audiences as it once was. It's possible they're doing the same again with the Justice League name, only this time it's on an untested name, spending $200 million is a massive gamble.

WB overestimated Singer's Superman and that story. Sure, we could have still had a Donnerverse Superman but put him against Metallo with Lex in the background or Brainiac with a compelling story, I guarantee this movie makes enough where we are discussing SR2 and not JLA.

[jmc]

Before continuing to say that SR was a flop, I would wait for the box office results of TDK. I still believe that SR was considered a disappointment only because at WB they expected the Spiderman numbers.
Since 2005 only "X-Men:The last stand" has been more successful than Superman Returns. Batman Begins, Fantastic Four I and II, Ghost Rider did worse than the "flop" SR.

Superman wasn't a flop, but it sure as hell struggled to make it's cash. And like it or not, Ledgers death will effect the box office for Dark Knight.

[jmc]

When i did that? I Only think it's going to be a good movie. But i'll wait and see. Now you... Well... The world is full of nostradamus. Another one is not going to kill us... I Hope.

Wasn't directing that swipe at you, just countering your amusement at those who predict it's failure.

[ClarkLuther55]

You don't seem to get why they won't do a solo film with Flash or GL, if Superman was a flop, and it was,

It didn't FLOP. It was a financial disappointment that made its money back domestically (more or less) and had a profit that was smaller than expected from worldwide box office.

what the hell is The Flash or GL going to do at the box office.

What the hell were they thinking giving Blade a movie. Or for that matter, Iron Man, which is getting tons of hype.

If your flagship character goes belly up, what the hell chance have you with two Christmas colored properties like The Flash and Green Lantern?

OMG, one guy is primarily green! That totally won't work, he's too Christmas colored!:whatever: I don't know if you're joking or being serious here. I wouldn't be surprised if you were dead serious.

But most people thought Superman being a deadbeat dad was a bastarization of his character. Yet you seem to love it.

Where the **** did I say I love it? I have pointed out SR's flaws, such as goofy real estate Lex, no fighting, and super-bastard before. Don't put words in my mouth.

[jmc]

WB overestimated Singer's Superman and that story. Sure, we could have still had a Donnerverse Superman but put him against Metallo with Lex in the background or Brainiac with a compelling story, I guarantee this movie makes enough where we are discussing SR2 and not JLA.

I'm not so certain, the film got good reviews yet people didn't flock the cinemas in that first weekend, bad word of mouth was likely a factor too, but I just get the feeling the character doesn't connect with the general public as much as it once did.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm not so certain, the film got good reviews yet people didn't flock the cinemas in that first weekend, bad word of mouth was likely a factor too, but I just get the feeling the character doesn't connect with the general public as much as it once did.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel if you give an audience a Superman film with spectacular action and fight sequences, a formidable villain that he can fight, and a fresh and compelling story, then the audience will be there.

[ClarkLuther55]

Of course SR Superman didn't connect to the current generation like Superman connected to past ones. Singer deliberately made it so, by skipping the origin, skipping his most famous battles with Lex, and skipping the romance with Lois. Just so he could make a strange post-Superman story that was a not-so-vague sequel to Donner's movies. Everything that made him Superman already happened years ago. We were seeing the end of the character, not the beginning.

One thing that doesn't get stressed enough when making these big budget franchises is the need to connect the audience to the characters. The audience needs to like and get to really know the hero. Moviegoers should feel like they've been taken along on the journey, so that they'll want to come back for more.

Spider-Man did it. Peter Parker was a geeky kid, with very relateable girl problems. You saw his origin, you knew what made him tick. The first movie laid the groundwork for future installments, with Peter not getting the girl and Harry swearing revenge. People wanted to see what happened next.

Batman Begins did it. This was the first Batman movie that really focused on his origin, and explored the character. Batman was the focus here, not the villains (seeing Batman 1989 again, I was shocked by how much of the time was spent on the Joker rather than the title character). I noticed that BB really tried establishing its setting, it's own little world in Gotham. The city had its own landmarks, neighborhoods, and special features (Wayne Tower, the Narrows, the train system). It had its own personality, with cops, councilmen, judges, etc. all being hopelessly corrupt. It even had a sense of history, with talk about the depression that had happened years ago. All of these details really drew me in while I was watching the movie, and I wouldn't be surprised if they appealed to everyone else as well. The asylum break was even a sort-of origin for Batman's entire Rogue's gallery, with the talk about how most of the inmates were still at large. You got the feeling that Pandora's Box had been opened, and the movie concluded with a great Joker tease.

Had SR been done like BB, the movie would have rightfully shown Kal-El arriving on Earth, with maybe the first 20 minutes devoted to his life growing up in Smallville. Reaching adulthood, Clark would set out on his own to "the big city," Metropolis. Metropolis would have a pseudo-futuristic feel to it, being a center of technology and commerce. The movie would really get across how bright and hopeful this place is. It would have gleaming skyscrapers, futuristic architecture, and look perfect from from the outside...which all just conceals the corruption underneath.

Lex would be portrayed as a metaphorical king, who employs most of the people in the city ("whether they know it or not," from S:TAS). He would be an untouchable mastermind, who can stand up to Superman even without powers. Lois and Clark would meet, and be portrayed as attractive, up-and-coming young professionals. You could show them falling for each other, even while acting as semi-rivals professionally. Clark would have the usual superhero angst from having to conceal his identity, and compete with himself (Superman) for Lois's attention. Fangirls would eat that up. Then have Lex hire/create a supervillain like Parasite or Metallo, and have the villain brawl it out with Supes in an eye-popping CGI battle. Fanboys would eat that up. End the movie with Lex still in power and managing to stay spotless, and Superman vowing to bring him down while working within the system.

Getting back on topic, by all indications, JLA will NOT be done in this style. It won't be a character study, origin, or hero's journey. The individual heroes will just appear, without proper origins (even for the ones who would NEED it because the audience truly doesn't know how they came to be). The League will already exist; we won't see the amazing tale of its formation. Even worse, all the rumored plots sound like plots to SEQUELS. Superman should not be dead already. Batman should not be kicked out of the League, or making an OMAC/Babel plot against the other League members. They won't be established, the League's somewhat frightening power (done very well in the Cadmus storyline on JLU) won't be established, and Batman's paranoia and distrust won't be established. The audience will get a feeling of being left out, and that will affect their feelings about the movie and any potential sequels/spinoffs.

[dnno1]

I know about the embargo but it makes no sense here. So it's ok to have two live action Batmen at the same time but they can't have Ra's in JL?! :huh: So now, even though Ra's is in the Babel story, the writers are half assing this story and leaving that character out? I'm sorry but this embargo goes out the window once we have two different Batmen on the big screen at the same time.

Which makes it even stranger that WB is going that route considering their strict policy with certain characters not appearing in different shows, cartoons etc... We never saw Bruce Wayne in a Smallville episode. Now we will have two Waynes at the movies at the same time, strange for WB, based on their history.

You don't understand. The Bat-Embargo prevents the use of Batman related charaters in other media. That means that Miller and Co. were more than likely precluded from using Ras' (maybe even Talia was considered) from the projects. This all started when Christopher Nolan was associated with BB so it does make sense. The embargo never precluded the use of Batman from other media. That is my point. You were trying to say that they were using Talia because they were trying to piggyback off BB and that is not necessarily the case. They were or are trying to base this film from a source material related story (which is what fans supposedly want) that so happened to have Ras' Al Ghul (a Batman related character) as the primary villian.

I don't necessarily think that the strict policy is necessarily as a result of something that was established by the WB. It is moreso as a result of the producer/director who own the filming rights or copyright to certain aspects of the character that they are leveraging to protect their own intrests.

[dnno1]

Those are our speculations and assumptions... just the way people feel about it... at least those who had a problem with Talia in the film.

I don't know how accurate that may be since you don't have any real numbers.

[dnno1]

Wouldn't the embargo include Talia? She is a regular villain slash warped love interest for Batman.

Probably why Nolan was upset to begin with.

[dnno1]

Superman was a "flop" because they didn't even come close to maximizing his potential. Because Singer "screwed up" and did injustice to the character, IMVHO, then other characters have to suffer? Makes no sense. Of course the movie is not going to do a bang up job at the BO when you don't have the main superhero fighting any other character. A lot of people go to superhero films to see that sort of stuff along with a great story.

A WB exec shouldn't be thinking that because Singer's Superman didn't kick ass at the BO that there is no hope for other DC heroes. Singer's Superman movie was lacking. Singer fumbled the ball, big time. Had Singer made a Superman movie that delivered on all fronts, and people still didn't show up, then I would accept that line of thought. However, as it stands, this line of thinking is completely flawed and it's a lousy excuse to abandon all solo films and go straight into JLA.

The guy's got copyright issues and they could be fudging the numbers so that they don't have to pay a lot in royalties if they lose the current law suit. Who knows? He still got out done by Spider-Man, POTC, and Transformers and that shouldn't be. I thing if the numbers are straight, a financier would be reluctant to invest in another film unless they were assured that it would be a hit.

[Visionary]

It didn't FLOP. It was a financial disappointment that made its money back domestically (more or less) and had a profit that was smaller than expected from worldwide box office.Yes, and because of that disappointment, you're not getting a sequel before JLA. What does that tell you? They have to regroup for another Superman movie, and they're going to have to do it, after a JLA film.



What the hell were they thinking giving Blade a movie. Or for that matter, Iron Man, which is getting tons of hype.It's funny you should mention Blade, Marvel had to remove their name from Blade in order for a studio to take a chance on it. Because the studio didn't want people to know that it was a comic book film. Thanks to Batman/Supes's films, that made Hollywood hate comic book movies. Warner Bros. problem is, they have to pay for their films, if it crash and burn it's on them (and their partner/Legendary). Marvel's multiple studio deals allows them a much smaller risk, they pay zero to get their films made (besides Hulk/IM). So there's a difference between Blade failing and Green Lantern failing.

As for Iron Man, Marvel now has a huge movie going brand name now. Iron Man is following behind successful multi-billion dollar franchises in Spider-Man and X-Men. Marvel is now bold enough with their success to finance their own films. Without Spidey and X-Men movies putting Marvel Films on the map, I doubt this would be possible.



OMG, one guy is primarily green! That totally won't work, he's too Christmas colored!:whatever: I don't know if you're joking or being serious here. I wouldn't be surprised if you were dead serious.Of course I'm joking, I just like to say that because when GL and The Flash stand side by side, they remind me of Christmas. :woot: :o

I'm not saying that a Green Latern movie can't be successful, I'm telling you the way Warner Bros. is looking at the matter. They have to be thinking, "should we spend 150-200M on a Green Latern movie, when we did that for a character who's 50 times more popular whom disappointed at the box office." You see, you look at it through fanboy eyes, WB is looking at from a business standpoint.

Now let's take JLA. Here you have Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman (three icons) and even the smaller name characters that people want to see on screen. In short, the box office pull is greater than a GL or a Flash movie. Not to mention, seeing them interact with one another, knowing that they have different backgrounds and powers/skills, and coming from various comic books is intriguing. On top of that, this is something that not even Marvel has ever done on film, multiple properties coming together in one film and forming a group. A group, that because of its ICON characters is bigger than the X-MEN by leaps and bounds, and has more power-play then anything in Spider-Man.



Where the **** did I say I love it? I have pointed out SR's flaws, such as goofy real estate Lex, no fighting, and super-bastard before. Don't put words in my mouth.Okay, then forgive me for saying so. :dry:

[Webhead2006]

I really think we need to just sit and wait to see what happens. For all we know the rewrites/polishing of the script could bring many changes in the film and we dont know anything about what is going to happen in the script now. Also for all we know their could possibly be recasting going on which means hopefully we get better/decent actors for the bats and supes roles. So as i been saying for awhile and is now my sig we just have to wait and see.

[Visionary]

I don't think the Donnerverse is to blame, I think it's more to do with WB overestimating the Superman name, assuming the name alone would result in Spiderman like numbers, perhaps the character just isn't as relevant for today's audiences as it once was. It's possible they're doing the same again with the Justice League name, only this time it's on an untested name, spending $200 million is a massive gamble.
Sorry, but to use the Donnerverse is to shoot a Superman movie in the foot before it's released, so it is apart of the blame and poor decisions. People wanted to see a new Superman movie, with a powerful villain who's powers seem to dwarf Supes' on some scale.

I'm one who believe that a huge Superman movie can be made. But you have to have a writer(s) and director who can tap into elements that are rarely seen in a Superman movie. I think Transformers/Spider-Man 2 numbers are possible for a Superman film. I'm hoping TDK can reach these numbers to prove it, but even in that film it looks all too familiar to me.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't know how accurate that may be since you don't have any real numbers.

Put a poll up... ask people...

HOW MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT BB Influence >>> Tower of Babel arc regarding Talia's inclusion by the Mulroney's in the original spec script????

Add the numbers... or remain in denial along with posters like Guard...