Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[Webhead2006]

and gl and possibly hex since both are pretty ready to go.

[TheVileOne]

Australian news resources saying Miller is still directing Justice League truly mean nothing.

Biolumen, will you give it a rest already. It's well established how behind on everything Australian news is. It's like you believe any moment now WB is going to re-announce Justice League Mortal for release next year or something directed by Miller starring Gale, Arm and Hammer, Adrien Brody, and Jay Baruchel.

Justice League is dead.

Oops, I heard that George Miller is going to be eating steak at Ruth Chris tomorrow night. He might talk about Justice League.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Australian news resources saying Miller is still directing Justice League truly mean nothing.

Biolumen, will you give it a rest already. It's well established how behind on everything Australian news is. It's like you believe any moment now WB is going to re-announce Justice League Mortal for release next year or something directed by Miller starring Gale, Arm and Hammer, Adrien Brody, and Jay Baruchel.

Justice League is dead.

Oops, I heard that George Miller is going to be eating steak at Ruth Chris tomorrow night. He might talk about Justice League.


Actually, since the original source is Variety and they arn't Australian either, it's actually very pertinent.

[TheVileOne]

The Variety writer didn't check his/her facts. Variety has reported falsities before as well.

Look the JL forums folded for a reason, even though it was about 7 months late.

[dnno1]

Australian news resources saying Miller is still directing Justice League truly mean nothing.

Biolumen, will you give it a rest already. It's well established how behind on everything Australian news is. It's like you believe any moment now WB is going to re-announce Justice League Mortal for release next year or something directed by Miller starring Gale, Arm and Hammer, Adrien Brody, and Jay Baruchel.

Justice League is dead.

Oops, I heard that George Miller is going to be eating steak at Ruth Chris tomorrow night. He might talk about Justice League.

Unless you can admit that you know for a fact that George Miller is off the project and can name the value of the buyout on his contract, I doubt you are saying anything either. I would imagine that Variety is a more reliable source than you are. At least they retract their statements when they know they are false.

[Chewy]

George Miller still being attached to direct Justice League means about as much as Terrance Howard still being attached to Iron Man 2 a month ago did. Nothing.

[biolumen]

The JL:M incarnation of a Justice League movie is dead, but it may also be that Miller and/or Osborne continue to hold the rights to the making of "a" Justice League movie if or when WB decides to have one made. Such a situation may explain the repeated statements in the trades that Miller remains attached to "a" JL film. Technically, he probably still is, but as ChewySpider alludes to, that could change quickly.

Maybe this Odyssey/Brad Pitt movie is part of a buyout plan.

[jmc]

Miller's interview on Aussie TV just aired, JL was briefly mentioned but only in the context of helping the Aussie film industry.

[BATZARRO WWD]

The JL:M incarnation of a Justice League movie is dead, but it may also be that Miller and/or Osborne continue to hold the rights to the making of "a" Justice League movie if or when WB decides to have one made. Such a situation may explain the repeated statements in the trades that Miller remains attached to "a" JL film. Technically, he probably still is, but as ChewySpider alludes to, that could change quickly.

Maybe this Odyssey/Brad Pitt movie is part of a buyout plan.

I think MAYBE, since they allegedlly are waiting for Nolan to sign for another Batman film, they don't really want to close any potential doors. Or maybe whatever form a Justice League would take in the futute, Miller's still their man. Whatever the answer, it's worth looking into. Otherwise, what's the point of having forums if we're not gonna discuss stuff?

[Webhead2006]

i agree that is probably the reason like silver has the rights to ww and all that. hopefully next time wb wants jl to actually happen it goes better then the mess jl:m was looking.

[Showtime]

Singer's still attached to Superman: Man of Steel as well. That doesnt' really mean much.

[I Am The Knight]

I think MAYBE, since they allegedlly are waiting for Nolan to sign for another Batman film, they don't really want to close any potential doors. Or maybe whatever form a Justice League would take in the futute, Miller's still their man. Whatever the answer, it's worth looking into. Otherwise, what's the point of having forums if we're not gonna discuss stuff?

Nothing of substance has surfaced about JL since WB last spoke about it. Some discussions are just irrelevant. Plus, I'm pretty sure that when WB does decide to go forward with a JL film, Miller won't be in charge. He's getting too old, anyways. Not that that has stopped Clint Eastwood, but still...He'll be too busy making sequels :hehe:

[BATZARRO WWD]

Singer's still attached to Superman: Man of Steel as well. That doesnt' really mean much.
I don't know. Seemingly so...but the rumors of Spacey and Routh coming back kinda point out to something that doesn't really looke like the reboot we thought they meant with "reintroduction". Not that it IS gonna happen, but it should be considered.

As for things not being worth discussing...
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2503/whoneedsyalllt7.png

[Showtime]

I don't know. Seemingly so...but the rumors of Spacey and Routh coming back kinda point out to something that doesn't really looke like the reboot we thought they meant with "reintroduction". Not that it IS gonna happen, but it should be considered.

As for things not being worth discussing...
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2503/whoneedsyalllt7.png

Um...what?

[I Am The Knight]

He's a looney, don't mind him.

[FlawlessVictory]

Nothing of substance has surfaced about JL since WB last spoke about it. Some discussions are just irrelevant. Plus, I'm pretty sure that when WB does decide to go forward with a JL film, Miller won't be in charge. He's getting too old, anyways. Not that that has stopped Clint Eastwood, but still...He'll be too busy making sequels :hehe:

By the time JLA comes around to actually get made, Miller will be too busy with "Babe 7: Pig in Space". :hehe:

[I Am The Knight]

By the time JLA comes around to actually get made, Miller will be too busy with "Babe 7: Pig in Space". :hehe:

I just had a quick flashback to Jason X :grin:

[Webhead2006]

with the whole superman thing alot is unkown still and things wont be clear to wb commits to writers/directors and then said people come out and reveal their plan for the character. And really the whole spacey thing was debunked to not having anything to do with another superman film and as for routh who knows there. But if robinov has the final say on the film its likely going to be a complete and total fresh start and no one from SR will be back.

[FaT_tONle]

Assuming BB3 has absolutely ZERO connections to a JLA film or any greater DC presence... am I the only person who thinks it is pointless to reboot Superman if that is the case? ASSUMING Bale does not sign on for JLA? Why go through the trouble of rebooting Superman... a single 200 million dollar investment that will not have any sequels before a JLA movie (sequels that could potentially restore the characters reputation), with zero guarantees of it being more successful than an Superman Returns, and using the same Supes actor for JLA... if you don't end up using Bale as Batman in JLA anyhow? I hope that makes sense to some people. Sort of like instead of making a TIH movie... just start anew with the Hulk from Avengers to begin with. I just think they'd be better off going straight to JLA without a Superman reboot... but I agree they need to make GL and at least a WW or Flash film before hand. Thoughts???

[BATZARRO WWD]

Assuming BB3 has absolutely ZERO connections to a JLA film or any greater DC presence... am I the only person who thinks it is pointless to reboot Superman if that is the case? ASSUMING Bale does not sign on for JLA? Why go through the trouble of rebooting Superman... a single 200 million dollar investment that will not have any sequels before a JLA movie (sequels that could potentially restore the characters reputation), with zero guarantees of it being more successful than an Superman Returns, and using the same Supes actor for JLA... if you don't end up using Bale as Batman in JLA anyhow? I hope that makes sense to some people. Sort of like instead of making a TIH movie... just start anew with the Hulk from Avengers to begin with. I just think they'd be better off going straight to JLA without a Superman reboot... but I agree they need to make GL and at least a WW or Flash film before hand. Thoughts???

It's WB. The first thing you should assume is that there is no plan. The second is that if there IS one, it doesn't have to make sense.

That aside, they might be trying to squeeze out one last Superman before the Siegels potentially clamp down on the rights to Superman.

Showtime:

Um...what?

You know, if there's a subject one feels is pointless, one can always ignore it and move along. Unless one didn't scroll that list and is still getting emails warning everytime somebody posts on the thread.

So if anyone feels it's a fruitless discussion, that's a tip right there!

[Webhead2006]

Yea many keep forgoting that come 2013 shuster's heir could potenitally get the other 50% copyright share on the character like the siegel family has gotten already earlier this yr. And if they do bye bye supes from wb/dc unless wb/dc can work something out with the familes. And like above poster said they probably want to pop out atless 1 more supes film reboot or other wise to cash in one last time on the character incase they do lose it.

[Katsuro]

Yea many keep forgoting that come 2013 shuster's heir could potenitally get the other 50% copyright share on the character like the siegel family has gotten already earlier this yr. And if they do bye bye supes from wb/dc unless wb/dc can work something out with the familes. And like above poster said they probably want to pop out atless 1 more supes film reboot or other wise to cash in one last time on the character incase they do lose it.

You know, i've heard a lot about this whole thing, but can someone explain to me exactly how that's all supposed to go down? If Shuster's heir does win the suit or whatever, what does that mean? You mention no more Superman on film, but what about other media? Are they getting the rights to the whole character? Will that mean an end to Superman in general, and if so, why the hell would they want that?

I'd be interested to read about this whole situation, if anyone has a link or can explain it.

[Webhead2006]

well i dont know much on the whole copyright thing. But from what i know the siegels and the shuster heir do not like wb/dc and are very against them from screwing over the creators all those yrs ago and all the other crap they dealt with over their life. If shuster's heir gains the other 50% copyright like siegels have gotten already. that means wb/dc no longer has the rights to use superman, clark, lois, krypton, and a few things and they would only be able to keep pretty much all the supes villains, The modern suit/shield look and other characters like perry white/jimmy. Also it means if wb/dc dont work out a deal with the families they cant do anything with the full superman copyright any more.

So that means if the families gain the rights they can go off and make their own movies, other media, and make a new comic, but since they dont have all the rights to all of the 70+ yr history stuff it would only be the basic 1938 version of the character and he would have to be totally recreated. Now if you think about it, it would be smarter to leave it at wb/dc where its an icon and makes all the money and to just get big paycheck from wb/dc on superman profits. Though things probably wont be known for sure untill we get closer to the court date shuster's heir has in late 2013.

[Retroman]

Miller's interview on Aussie TV just aired, JL was briefly mentioned but only in the context of helping the Aussie film industry.

Is that all he can say about the subject? Sheesh.:whatever:

[Showtime]

You know, if there's a subject one feels is pointless, one can always ignore it and move along. Unless one didn't scroll that list and is still getting emails warning everytime somebody posts on the thread.

So if anyone feels it's a fruitless discussion, that's a tip right there!

No. I understood your clever little presentation, I was wondering why it was directed to my post, since I never said anything was "fruitless".

[BATZARRO WWD]

No. I understood your clever little presentation, I was wondering why it was directed to my post, since I never said anything was "fruitless".

Naw, just the first part. I try to get more than one point across in a single post. Saving resources, y'know?

[Showtime]

Got it. "Going Green"

[biolumen]

Armie Hammer
10 Actors to Watch

By SHAWNA MALCOM

Armie Hammer owes Woody Allen.

To prepare for the title role in "Billy: The Early Years," Hammer watched every Billy Graham sermon he could get his hands on, faithfully studying each gesture and Southern-fried inflection. But it wasn't until the Los Angeles-born actor stumbled across a lively YouTube clip of the director interviewing the evangelist on a 1969 TV special that he really saw the light.

"You look at it and go, 'Man, Billy Graham really has a sense of humor,' '' Hammer says. "He's holding his own with Woody Allen and cracking the audience up. That was the moment when I felt I could see the man behind the preacher."

It's precisely that human side of the venerated icon that the biopic earnestly seeks to capture. And with his all-American good looks and robust enthusiasm, Hammer -- cast after another actor bowed out due to a scheduling conflict -- nimbly nails Graham's transition from a religion-leery aspiring baseball player to world-renowned spiritual leader.

The 6-foot-5 newcomer claims he wasn't intimidated by the prospect of portraying such a towering figure, thanks to actor-turned-helmer Robby Benson.

"Robby's so quiet and humble," Hammer notes of the director, "but he's willing to teach you everything he knows as long as you're willing to listen. I knew I was in good hands."

It was Benson who suggested Hammer have dinner with Oscar winner Martin Landau, who plays Graham's one-time mentor, Charles Templeton. (Because of the flashback nature of the film, the two never share any scenes.)

"Mr. Landau said, 'Do you mind if I say something?'" remembers Hammer, who is the great-grandson of oil tycoon Armand Hammer. "He didn't stop talking for three hours, but at no point was I going, 'Oh, this old guy's rambling.' I was enraptured by every single word. When a legend says anything, you're like, 'That's the most important thing I've ever heard.' "

Hammer had planned to follow up "Billy" by playing Batman in Warner Bros.' "Justice League," but plans for the film have since been delayed. Instead, he's headed to Vancouver to shoot a five-episode guest stint on the CW's "Reaper," where he plays the devil's son.

His move from the heavenly to the hellish isn't lost on him. Says Hammer with a laugh, "Hey, at least I'm not getting typecast, right?"

WHAT ELSE?
An actor should always: "Bathe. You're not gonna get a job smelling to high heaven."

Lucky break: "'Justice League' got all the wheels turning. Whether that (project) happens now or not, I've already experienced the benefits of being cast."

Favorite film character: Gary Oldman's crooked DEA officer in "The Professional." "That's one of the finest bits of acting I've ever seen. He fully embraces the darkness."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994648.html?categoryId=3289&cs=1

[Showtime]

I guess he is taking solace in the fact that he was cast to a movie that isn't happening...

I do like the guys look though for Batman or Superman.

[Antonello Blueberry]

So Nolan again states that his Batman couldn't and wouldn't be a member of the Justice League.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

[cerealkiller182]

Nolan sounds so myopic.

Choosing the symbol of the bat for a purpose isn't the same as choosing to wear a cape and fight crime.

I think its silly and close minded to think it couldn't work. Its definitely more that Nolan and Bale dont want it to work cause they dont want to be apart of it, which is fine.

The whole argument about Nolan's world and a possible shard DC universe has seemed like one side says it could while one side says it shouldn't. And I agree with both. NO reason it couldn't, I'm just not sure it should.

[I Am The Knight]

So we go back to the different universes thing...

[BATZARRO WWD]

That makes sense. But hey, what does Nolan know about the series of films he produced, anyway? It too can be crossovered.


Also, hooray, more waiting!

[protocida]

So Nolan again states that his Batman couldn't and wouldn't be a member of the Justice League.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

oH nOEs!!!!1!

[jmc]

Nolan sounds so myopic.

Choosing the symbol of the bat for a purpose isn't the same as choosing to wear a cape and fight crime.

I think its silly and close minded to think it couldn't work. Its definitely more that Nolan and Bale dont want it to work cause they dont want to be apart of it, which is fine.

The whole argument about Nolan's world and a possible shard DC universe has seemed like one side says it could while one side says it shouldn't. And I agree with both. NO reason it couldn't, I'm just not sure it should.

It's Nolan's baby, he set out to create a universe for Batman, not for DC, his series was never intended to have superheros in it, it's not close minded of him at all to not want to force superheros in.

[The Guard]

I think its silly and close minded to think it couldn't work. Its definitely more that Nolan and Bale dont want it to work cause they dont want to be apart of it, which is fine.

Clearly he doesn't want his Batman in the JLA or mentioning other heroes during this franchise, but he seems to realize it could work, because it has worked. Which is fine.

No, correct, it’s a different universe. It’s a different way of looking at it. Now, it's been done successfully, very successfully, in the comics so I don’t dispute it as an approach. It just isn’t the approach we took. We had to make a decision for "Batman Begins."

I fail to see why Nolan insists on implying that somehow other heroes existing at some point would create a problem with Batman creating himself. Besides, his Batman was essentially handed the idea of being "more than a man" by someone else, as well as handed the idea to help Gotham. The "bat" elements would always be Wayne's. But being a masked freedom fighter or a vigilante isn't a "new" concept, even in the DC Universe, or Nolan's.

We wanted nothing that would undermine the idea that Bruce came up with this crazy plan of putting on a mask all by himself.

Which is why, in BATMAN BEGINS, he almost gets handed the idea to do so. I occassionally wonder if Nolan's ever actually sat down and watched the movies he talks about.

[dnno1]

It's Nolan's baby, he set out to create a universe for Batman, not for DC, his series was never intended to have superheros in it, it's not close minded of him at all to not want to force superheros in.

http://www.postmodernbarney.com/images08/sf4.jpg

Not to want to include or make reference to a universe of other heroes is closed minded.

[jmc]

No, what it is is one man's interpretation of how he sees a character portrayed, which to him doesn't include super powered beings.

[Crook]

I fail to see why Nolan insists on implying that somehow other heroes existing at some point would create a problem with Batman creating himself.
Agreed. Nolan only addressed the issue of "who came first?" rather than the co-existence of all these heroes. This has no bearing on whether or not JL could plausibly be integrated with Bale's Batman.

[biolumen]

If Nolan doesn't want to incorporate superheroes into his Batman movies, so be it. It's a creative decision on his part that I'm perfectly fine with. He's earned it. Regarding the rest of the DC superheroes, the onus is now on WB to move past Nolan's movies and carry on. If Nolan wants to make a third movie, let him. But don't hold the rest of the movies hostage to it.

[dnno1]

No, what it is is one man's interpretation of how he sees a character portrayed, which to him doesn't include super powered beings.

I agree, but it is still closed minded (he won't let other heroes in to his world). Let's hope that he won't try to block the use of Batman in other properties.

[Crook]

It's close-minded in the strictest sense of the word. But I wouldn't call it such since it's his world and vision. Now, banning his character from being used in future movies because he doesn't believe it fits his interpretation, is being close-minded.

[I Am The Knight]

Which is why, in BATMAN BEGINS, he almost gets handed the idea to do so. I occassionally wonder if Nolan's ever actually sat down and watched the movies he talks about.

LOL, exactly! I inmediately thought of The League Of Shadows training when he said that. :huh: I guess he hasn't seen BB in a long time...

[Anita18]

I fail to see why Nolan insists on implying that somehow other heroes existing at some point would create a problem with Batman creating himself. Besides, his Batman was essentially handed the idea of being "more than a man" by someone else, as well as handed the idea to help Gotham. The "bat" elements would always be Wayne's. But being a masked freedom fighter or a vigilante isn't a "new" concept, even in the DC Universe, or Nolan's.

Which is why, in BATMAN BEGINS, he almost gets handed the idea to do so. I occassionally wonder if Nolan's ever actually sat down and watched the movies he talks about.
Crook led me to this post via a thread in the TDK forums, and so now I am here to offer a rebuttal in person. :cwink:

The "decision" that Nolan is referring to is the one where Wayne chooses to put on a suit that makes him look like a giant bat. Nobody even in the League of Shadows had gone far enough with their beliefs to do that. Ra's even said so himself: "You took my advice about theatricality a bit literally!" Their theatricality was only used to make them seem more than human as a group, not individually. They don't make any effort to differentiate themselves from one another - they're all ninjas.

This is important because even though Batman shares many of the same work methods as the LoS, he differs from them in one major way - he has an identity. Ra's Al Ghul, as portrayed in BB, is simply a title for the current LoS leader. If one dies, another takes over. In Nolan's version, guy with ninja skills who dresses up as a bat = Batman = Bruce Wayne. He is identifiable. If Wayne dies, Batman ceases to exist. The same can be said for Superman. Superman IS Clark Kent. If Kent disappears, a substitute cannot step in as Superman.

Having an identity makes Wayne's decision in BB a momentous one, because he's devoting his entire life to this mission, and he is a mortal human being. If there are crimefighters with super-powers already existing in Bruce Wayne's world, that lessens the importance of that decision. In fact, it almost cheapens it, making him seem like a little whiny kid who only wants to play dress-up with the big boys, when the movie says that it's anything but.

[FaT_tONle]

Only more reason why Bale won't be back. When JLA rolls around it's gonna be like Marvel dumping RDJ as Stark for Avengers... WB should be thankful enough if they get a third Batman film.

[dnno1]

It's close-minded in the strictest sense of the word. But I wouldn't call it such since it's his world and vision. Now, banning his character from being used in future movies because he doesn't believe it fits his interpretation, is being close-minded.

You won't say it because you are a fan of Nolan. I don't think that his version of the Batman character would be used in other films due to the legalities and the fact that another director may likely have another vision and direction he may want to go with the character. The door is closed (in his mind) on other superheroes entering the Nolan Batman world because he has admitted it publicly. Therefore hes is closed minded on this matter.

[Crook]

You won't say it because you are a fan of Nolan.
I don't see how that at all has relevance. Especially when I've repeatedly defended the vision of JL, in contrast to Nolan's, in which his Batman wouldn't be part of the team.

The door is closed (in his mind) on other superheroes entering the Nolan Batman world because he has admitted it publicly. Therefore hes is closed minded on this matter.
As I said, close-minded in the most strictest sense. This is like saying straight or gay people are sexually close-minded because they're not bi-sexual. Is it technically true? Yes. But it doesn't jive with the conventional use of the word.

[FlawlessVictory]

So, Batman can be the first superhero in this DC Universe, then others can pop up after him. No big deal. And it's similar to, as someone pointed out in the TDK forum, to the DCAU where it as acknowledged that Batman is in existence before Clark becomes Superman.

You won't say it because you are a fan of Nolan. I don't think that his version of the Batman character would be used in other films due to the legalities and the fact that another director may likely have another vision and direction he may want to go with the character. The door is closed (in his mind) on other superheroes entering the Nolan Batman world because he has admitted it publicly. Therefore hes is closed minded on this matter.

Which legalities are those? I thought ultimately WB owned Batman, not Nolan. If Nolan completes his trilogy and WB then proceeds with JLA and convinces Bale to sign on, there would be a legal issue to using Bale's Batman? :huh:

[cerealkiller182]

Obviously its Nolans project and he can do what he wants. His reasoning is just dumb. Theres no reason why a crossover couldnt be plausible outside of Nolan not wanting it to be. Its not something that can be reasoned unless specifically mentioned in the context of the films. An easily more truthful and/or reasonable justification is Nolan does not want his continuity undermined by a crossover which is what is really at stake with a crossover.

[kyuubijavi1]

A easy way to have Nolan's world fit into the dc universe is just have hero's like superman, flash and so on inspire to change like Batman. I mean Nolan already introduced the copy cats in TDK why would it be far fetched to see others copy Batman but more succesful since they'd actually poses powers.

[cerealkiller182]

A easy way to have Nolan's world fit into the dc universe is just have hero's like superman, flash and so on inspire to change like Batman. I mean Nolan already introduced the copy cats in TDK why would it be far fetched to see others copy Batman but more succesful since they'd actually poses powers.

Idunno. While I remember how they got powers, I dont remember why they became heroes, but "why?" seems to be a big deal, and to undermine that to make them Batman knockoffs doesnt sound like a good idea.

Like Spiderman emulating Captain America instead of influenced by his Uncle. Not so good

[kyuubijavi1]

Idunno. While I remember how they got powers, I dont remember why they became heroes, but "why?" seems to be a big deal, and to undermine that to make them Batman knockoffs doesnt sound like a good idea.

Like Spiderman emulating Captain America instead of influenced by his Uncle. Not so good

Well in superman's case it would be him seeing that a regular man is doing all this good in his city when he's there with all this power and does nothing, flash I dont really know much about him to even suggest it but he seems like the type of character that would put on a costume just to try and copy other great heroes. The main idea would be Batman is the first guy to try and change his surrondings by becoming a symbol and that symbol would affect not only gotham but soon the world while he may not get the credit for it he'd still be the cause for the change.

[The Guard]

The "decision" that Nolan is referring to is the one where Wayne chooses to put on a suit that makes him look like a giant bat. Nobody even in the League of Shadows had gone far enough with their beliefs to do that. Ra's even said so himself: "You took my advice about theatricality a bit literally!" Their theatricality was only used to make them seem more than human as a group, not individually. They don't make any effort to differentiate themselves from one another - they're all ninjas.

That's not even really the issue at hand. I'm not talking about Bruce choosing the bat elements for himself, or choosing to become something so one did before. That's always going to be unique to Batman, and it would be foolish of anyone to say otherwise. Nolan indicated that he wanted Bruce to find his own way, as far as being a masked vigilante goes. That he wanted Batman to be original. I'm saying...whether BATMAN BEGINS showcased Zorro as influencing him, The Scarlet Pimpernel, etc...the concept of a masked vigilante existed prior to Batman becoming one. I suppose we could pretend things like masked vigilantes never existed in the DARK KNIGHT universe, though. Since nothing else does. :)

[Anita18]

Well in superman's case it would be him seeing that a regular man is doing all this good in his city when he's there with all this power and does nothing, flash I dont really know much about him to even suggest it but he seems like the type of character that would put on a costume just to try and copy other great heroes. The main idea would be Batman is the first guy to try and change his surrondings by becoming a symbol and that symbol would affect not only gotham but soon the world while he may not get the credit for it he'd still be the cause for the change.
I dunno, I'm totally a Batman fan all the way, but that seems to me like shortchanging Superman.

That's not even really the issue at hand. I'm not talking about Bruce choosing the bat elements for himself, or choosing to become something so one did before. That's always going to be unique to Batman, and it would be foolish of anyone to say otherwise. Nolan indicated that he wanted Bruce to find his own way, as far as being a masked vigilante goes. That he wanted Batman to be original. I'm saying...whether BATMAN BEGINS showcased Zorro as influencing him, The Scarlet Pimpernel, etc...the concept of a masked vigilante existed prior to Batman becoming one. I suppose we could pretend things like masked vigilantes never existed in the DARK KNIGHT universe, though. Since nothing else does. :)
And Batman, in Nolan's world, is original by choosing to use the bat elements, even though he was greatly influenced by ideas that were all around him in a formative part of his life.

It's kind of like someone finally figuring out that you could use a knife on bread and getting sliced bread. :funny:

[Mostpowerful]

LOL, exactly! I inmediately thought of The League Of Shadows training when he said that. :huh: I guess he hasn't seen BB in a long time...

Exactly.

:whatever:

I hope he 'opens his mind' a little, really. I'm sure things could work out just fine if they really want it. A World's Finest movie with Bale and Routh would be so awesome (with the right story, that is), IMO! :csad:

[FlawlessVictory]

Exactly.

:whatever:

I hope he 'opens his mind' a little, really. I'm sure things could work out just fine if they really want it. A World's Finest movie with Bale and Routh would be so awesome (with the right story, that is), IMO! :csad:

Don't worry about Nolan. It's because of the movie Routh was in that WB doesn't know how to proceed with Superman let alone be able to team him with Batman. Lets get one hero right outside of Batman before we start worrying about team-ups. :cwink:

[kyuubijavi1]

I dunno, I'm totally a Batman fan all the way, but that seems to me like shortchanging Superman.


And Batman, in Nolan's world, is original by choosing to use the bat elements, even though he was greatly influenced by ideas that were all around him in a formative part of his life.

It's kind of like someone finally figuring out that you could use a knife on bread and getting sliced bread. :funny:

Maybe a little but thats what there doing in smallvile with green arrow and flash there the one's inspiring Superman to actually do something more than help a few people now and then when he sees there in trouble. Plus I'm pretty sure WB & DC would try there best to include Nolan's Batman into what ever there planing for the long run. Its like Nolan said in the interview if Superman already excistad in the universe what batmans doing isnt all that big or special to have such a big effect on the world around him.

[FaT_tONle]

Superman can't be everywhere at once... so I don't buy that Batman is any less significant... it's when you start adding all these other characters... but if you get the timeline right and introduce everyone else in context with Batman/Superman... then it might work continuity wise... but frankly I see them using a different version of Batman... unrelated to Nolan or LOOSELY based on Nolan's Batman.

[The Batman]

Crook led me to this post via a thread in the TDK forums, and so now I am here to offer a rebuttal in person. :cwink:

The "decision" that Nolan is referring to is the one where Wayne chooses to put on a suit that makes him look like a giant bat. Nobody even in the League of Shadows had gone far enough with their beliefs to do that. Ra's even said so himself: "You took my advice about theatricality a bit literally!" Their theatricality was only used to make them seem more than human as a group, not individually. They don't make any effort to differentiate themselves from one another - they're all ninjas.

This is important because even though Batman shares many of the same work methods as the LoS, he differs from them in one major way - he has an identity. Ra's Al Ghul, as portrayed in BB, is simply a title for the current LoS leader. If one dies, another takes over. In Nolan's version, guy with ninja skills who dresses up as a bat = Batman = Bruce Wayne. He is identifiable. If Wayne dies, Batman ceases to exist. The same can be said for Superman. Superman IS Clark Kent. If Kent disappears, a substitute cannot step in as Superman.

Having an identity makes Wayne's decision in BB a momentous one, because he's devoting his entire life to this mission, and he is a mortal human being. If there are crimefighters with super-powers already existing in Bruce Wayne's world, that lessens the importance of that decision. In fact, it almost cheapens it, making him seem like a little whiny kid who only wants to play dress-up with the big boys, when the movie says that it's anything but.

There's nothing in BB to suggest that ken's ras was the real one...and bruce even remarks that ducard has been ras the entire time

[Anita18]

There's nothing in BB to suggest that ken's ras was the real one...and bruce even remarks that ducard has been ras the entire time
Right, but in that case LoS still kept up the image that Ken's Ra's was the real one, when he wasn't. Either way, "Ra's Al Ghul" is not a discrete identity.

Bruce does a little Batman work in TDK not dressed in the suit, but he's not all-out Batman then.

[BATZARRO WWD]

While there are many good points towards having Bale-Batman in a Justice League movie, I doubt Nolan spent all this time drowning the fantasy elements out of Batman just to have Superman show up. It's all about planning, if they didn't have a plan about crossing over then trying in vain to jump on the Marvel method in "mid-flight" is complicated precisely because of this kinds of things.

[The Batman]

Right, but in that case LoS still kept up the image that Ken's Ra's was the real one, when he wasn't. Either way, "Ra's Al Ghul" is not a discrete identity.

Bruce does a little Batman work in TDK not dressed in the suit, but he's not all-out Batman then.

ohhhh, ok...i see your point

[Cain]

While there are many good points towards having Bale-Batman in a Justice League movie, I doubt Nolan spent all this time drowning the fantasy elements out of Batman just to have Superman show up. It's all about planning, if they didn't have a plan about crossing over then trying in vain to jump on the Marvel method in "mid-flight" is complicated precisely because of this kinds of things.

It's a business first it's bigger than one director's vision. Who's to say that when a JL movie is made Nolan's Batman continuity will still exist? Nolan has better things to do after making a Batman trilogy. This is still very early in the guy's filmography I'm sure there will be many projects headed his way he'd like to do. What if a new director brings a different vision for Batman when the next series of film's are rolled out? nobody knows. One thing is certain though there is no way Batman won't be in a JL movie.

[BATZARRO WWD]

It's a business first it's bigger than one director's vision. Who's to say that when a JL movie is made Nolan's Batman continuity will still exist? Nolan has better things to do after making a Batman trilogy. This is still very early in the guy's filmography I'm sure there will be many projects headed his way he'd like to do. What if a new director brings a different vision for Batman when the next series of film's are rolled out? nobody knows. One thing is certain though there is no way Batman won't be in a JL movie.

What are you trying to say? I don't get it.

I think it's possible(yet wholly unlikelly) that they get Bale in an eventual Justice League(whatever THAT means. I haven't heard any plans for any other than the held recent one. And Bale really seems to be in it for Nolan, so what kind of a sell would it take?). What I mean is that sneaking crossover hints in movies where it wasn't meant is not something that's easy, let alone when one of the movies is purposedly grounded. In essence, the chance of Justice League being hinted at, being really suggested to happen are impossible. Superman will not show up in Batman's films, not as long as it's Nolan's vision. It won't.

I nerer really thought having it be a crossover deal mattered anyway. Making a standalone story about Justice League, what's so hard about it?

[I Am The Knight]

**Confession** Last night I had a dream about Bale in a Justice League movie. **Confession**

[FaT_tONle]

The bigger question here is... will they still ground a JLA movie to reality even without Bale as Batman? ie... Talia and maybe OMACs as villains instead of alien invaders? My whole thing is... if they recast Batman, then go for full blown sci fi... but if Bale returns then they have to ground the film to reality IMO. Including the other heroes to the maximum possible extent. If Bale agrees to do a WF movie but not a JLA movie I'd put off JLA just for that and make a realistic Batman/Superman film. Bale as Batman would definitely pay huge dividends in any two of those ensemble films but they can't cheeze up the story with aliens.

[I Am The Knight]

The R word gets thrown around a lot, but what exactly do people mean by that? I think the keyword here should be "serious"...A serious approach to JLA.

[BATZARRO WWD]

The bigger question here is... will they still ground a JLA movie to reality even without Bale as Batman? ie... Talia and maybe OMACs as villains instead of alien invaders? My whole thing is... if they recast Batman, then go for full blown sci fi... but if Bale returns then they have to ground the film to reality IMO. Including the other heroes to the maximum possible extent. If Bale agrees to do a WF movie but not a JLA movie I'd put off JLA just for that and make a realistic Batman/Superman film. Bale as Batman would definitely pay huge dividends in any two of those ensemble films but they can't cheeze up the story with aliens.

Well, depending on wich version of JL it is, it could already already have two aliens in it(Manhunter and Superman) and a magic driven goddess from ladies-only-island. I would rather they don't ground that too much and have them fight commandos or crud.

[Webhead2006]

hopefully if jla ever gets on the board again in a few yrs or much later, they treat it better then what it was looking like with george miller. It need to be treated as a grand epic film like lotr's or titantic or other large caliber type films. We dont want to see it become a cheesy action popcorn flick.

[biolumen]

Variety still has Dan Lin attached to Justice League.

Lin, a former Warners exec who oversaw the development and production of "The Departed," is in production on the Robert Downey Jr. starrer "Sherlock Holmes." He is in post-production on "Terminator Salvation," Robert Rodriguez's "Shorts," Ricky Gervais and Matt Robinson's "This Side of the Truth" and Richard Kelly's "The Box." Lin Pictures also has "Justice League" and "The Karma Coalition" at the studio.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995394.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

[jmc]

^ Don't take this the wrong way mate, but is searching for JL stories all you do?

[biolumen]

Of course not. I admit, however, that it's a pointless post, nearly identical to a few I've made on occasion in the past anytime Dan Lin's name was mentioned along with Justice League in a Variety article concerning something other than a JL movie. I'll refrain from posting any more such Dan Lin articles in the future unless it contains information specific to a JL movie.

[darthlaney]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/JUSTICELEAGUE.jpg

Make the costumes like this

[The Major]

Darth:

Flash, Superman, Batman, GL's costumes might look good in live action but that WW would be terrible for a movie.

[Showtime]

Really? Why is that?

[Mercurius]

Yeah. Why?

[jmc]

Because it's a ridiculous costume that doesn't translate well in real life.

[I Am The Knight]

I agree on that. Put that woman in a skirt for instance.

[protocida]

Superman's costuma should be identical to the comic book version:

Batman's costume should be identical to the "Arkham Asylum" game blackned version.

Wonder-Woman's costume should be equal to the "Kingdom Come" version, with some modifications.

Flash's costume should be identical to the TV series.

Green Lantern's costume should be identical to the version usede by the Green alien behind Hal Jordan on page 7 of "Green Lantern #21".

Aquaman's costume should be a fused version of the classic and the modern versions.

Martian Manhunter's costume should be identical to the new one, substituind the blue for the black.

[Crook]

Because it's a ridiculous costume that doesn't translate well in real life.
I really do no think it's any more ridiculous than Superman's. Just because we haven't seen a good live-action recreation of the WW suit, doesn't mean it's not feasible.

[Mercurius]

I really do no think it's any more ridiculous than Superman's. Just because we haven't seen a good live-action recreation of the WW suit, doesn't mean it's not feasible.


:up::up::up: Ditto!

[jmc]

I really do no think it's any more ridiculous than Superman's. Just because we haven't seen a good live-action recreation of the WW suit, doesn't mean it's not feasible.

True, but from a design perspective it I find it hard to imagine it looking anything close to credible, I've had the same problem with evey live action Superman suit to date.

[Crook]

It just lacks the proper bottom-wear. You add a battle skirt, and you've improved the design tenfold already.

[Showtime]

Because it's a ridiculous costume that doesn't translate well in real life.

I agree on that. Put that woman in a skirt for instance.

But men in tights with underwear on the outside and capes translate well into "real life". :huh:

[jmc]

But men in tights with underwear on the outside and capes translate well into "real life". :huh:

Where did I say they did? Of coarse they look stupid.

[Anita18]

But men in tights with underwear on the outside and capes translate well into "real life". :huh:
:lmao:

I think the "wearing underwear on the outside" bit is mostly to prevent them looking like they're wearing onesies. Green Lantern's costume there (with the mid-thigh bottom) doesn't look all that bad translated to real-life.

[I Am The Knight]

But men in tights with underwear on the outside and capes translate well into "real life". :huh:

Um, not really...Although some people are into that.

Capes obviously work.

[dnno1]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/JUSTICELEAGUE.jpg

Make the costumes like this

And the trailer like this:
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You know, Wonder Woman kind of looks like Lynda Carter in that trailer.

[Webhead2006]

If we ever do get to a live action jl film from wb within the next few yrs i hope next time around they find the best suited cast, good director, and have the epic grand vision for the film. Also need to get the costumes just right and dont take to many libertities with them. There is tons of materials out there that can make all their costumes look great in live action.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I don't think Wonder Woman's suit shouldn't be a problem in skilled hands. In JLM's case, it was WETA, so there's that. But really, the fact that we can't imagine a well done Wonderwoman suit, or a great redesigns(as seen in the better sone Batfilms since 89) that still does the original justice doesn't mean someone with more imagination can't pull it off.

[dnno1]

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Pretty wicked!

[TheVileOne]

^ Don't take this the wrong way mate, but is searching for JL stories all you do?
Yes it is.

[batman strikes]

I remember back when Justice League: Mortal was in production someone on the hype claimed to have seen designs of the costumes that WETA did. I don't if it was true or not but supposedly Wonder Woman costume was pretty much the same except it had a battle skirt, Batman had a gray and black costume, Superman was pretty much his classic design, same with Flash and Green Lantern. Martian Manhunter's Martian form was out of New Frontier and Aquaman's costume was more like the one he wears in sword of Atlantis. Does anyone remember this? Again I have no idea if this was true or not but it sounded really cool.

[Webhead2006]

i think so, even though jl mortal probably would have been a crappy film if it indeed happened with miller and his lousy looking cast, i would love if weta would release the unused jl costume designs so we could atless see were they were going suit wise for the characters.

[batman strikes]

Yeah, I really believe that best thing that came out of this project was WETA doing the costumes and the script. At the least the one that started with the Flashes funeral and then jumping back to explain how the events unfolded. Hopefully the WETA costume designs and the script will be released soon.

[Webhead2006]

yea weta and the original script sounded great. But then miller came in and the script got rewrite after rewrite which from sources who had hands on script said sucked and the first one was better. Then miller's lousy cast for the most part.

[Antonello Blueberry]

yea weta and the original script sounded great. But then miller came in and the script got rewrite after rewrite which from sources who had hands on script said sucked and the first one was better. Then miller's lousy cast for the most part.
Sources?
Patrick Sauriol said good thing of the first pages of the script, the onew he reviewed. The only "source" who said bad things about the script was the supposed WB insider of SaveSuperman.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Sources?
Patrick Sauriol said good thing of the first pages of the script, the onew he reviewed. The only "source" who said bad things about the script was the supposed WB insider of SaveSuperman.

What's worse, them sources pointed at nothing in specific. I mean, it's like a movie review that says "This movie sucks. Just because. No reason, it just does." So in ends up with trusting a guy you don't even know who it is, about a product you can't verify for yourself. Even if the sources say good things, there's only one source I trust to tell me wether I personally like something: me.

Now, don't get me wrong, internet script-reviews are a good source of entertainment. But they are as subjective as regular reviews.

[batman strikes]

Like I said I don't believe the script was the problem. It was everything else, like having two different Batman's on screen when the audience and fans are happen with the way Nolan and Bale are handling the franchise. Not to mention most of the cast were juvenile compared to what were getting with the current Marvel and Batman movies. I never minded that the JLA movie was going to take place in a different universe from the Batman and Superman movies. I just wanted it after Christian Bale's Batman movies were done.

[Evil Twin]

Reviews without analysis are worthless. At that point, all they come down to is "Trust me." Considering we all have biases and blind spots, it's hard to make that leap for anything.

[darthlaney]

Darth:

Flash, Superman, Batman, GL's costumes might look good in live action but that WW would be terrible for a movie.


It would work and a sexy looking Diana would be a strong marketing point for the movie - sticking her in battle armour will weaken this appeal and also disassociate her from the general public perception.

No need to butch her up

[The Major]

It would work and a sexy looking Diana would be a strong marketing point for the movie - sticking her in battle armour will weaken this appeal and also disassociate her from the general public perception.

No need to butch her up

I disagree.

They need to make her look like she can fight or she won't be a believable super-hero, she'll be a laughing stock.

WW depends on being intimidating occasionally, too.

They can still make her sexy without turning WW into a stripper, any way.

[Showtime]

Not sure if this was posted...doesn't look like it.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24661257-16947,00.html

THE dancing penguins of Oscar-winning animated movie Happy Feet will return to life in a Sydney digital studio after the NSW Government granted a tax break to filmmaker George Miller.

NSW Minister of State Development Ian Macdonald yesterday said Happy Feet 2 would be produced at a new digital production facility named Dr D.

He said the production was secured after the state Government offered a payroll tax assistance package and facilitated the establishment of the Dr D facility.

The sequel is expected to create at least 430 new jobs over the next three years.

The announcement comes after Miller threatened last month to take the production for his coming movies, including Happy Feet 2, offshore after being denied access to the new 40 per cent producer rebate for his planned film Justice League Mortal.

Happy Feet picked up the gong for best animated feature film of the year at last year's Oscars. It generated about $US385million at the box office.

Miller said the Government's assistance package and the Dr D facility had already attracted several big budget international film projects in the planning or pre-production stage.

"It helps us in our attempts to attract substantial foreign investment which will create hundreds of high-end, highly skilled jobs."

Miller will begin work on the sequel in January.

[Webhead2006]

I saw that the other day or so. So looks like he will be tied up for the next few yrs with that project.

[Showtime]

I think it takes a good amount of time to develop. I think the first one too 4 years to make if I remember correctly.

[goh78]

This movie won't happen.

i kid you not

[I Am The Knight]

Not now, it won't.

[goh78]

Not now, it won't.

My guess is Warners will finally get their heads out of their asses after The Avengers is a success.

[I Am The Knight]

My guess is Warners will finally get their heads out of their asses after The Avengers is a success.

Well, I'd rather they plan things right instead of knee-jerk reacting to Avengers...But that will certainly be an incentive. Kind of like how Iron Man kick-started "The WB/DC plan" for comic book movies, starting with GL.

[biolumen]

I think it takes a good amount of time to develop. I think the first one too 4 years to make if I remember correctly.

Yep, four years. I expect a year to be shaved off that this go around, given the previous experience and what the article said about employing people for 3 years. Look for a November 2011 release. It was also stated that he wants to be well into working on another 'digital movie' by that time, hence that talk of that 'Odyssey' movie with Brad Pitt along with some 'other possibilities'.

[biolumen]

Pitchfork: You were going to be in the Justice League movie, and then that got pushed back. Sounds like trouble.

Common: Well, with that film, what happened, I was slated to be the Green Lantern in the Justice League movie, but the movie came off, got on hiatus. So basically, I can't claim that anymore [laughs]. It's not happening, and maybe when it does, god-willing, I'll be their guy.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/147558-common-talks-control-producers-terminator-obama

[FaT_tONle]

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/147558-common-talks-control-producers-terminator-obama

Keep telling yourself that Common... keep telling yourself that...

[Steelsheen]

Common was the only casting i felt went totally to waste. hopefully they will keep him in mind when casting John Stewart, maybe for the heck of it he can get a cameo in the GL movie.

[Webhead2006]

yea he does seem to really be coming into acting. He was pretty much one of the only guys i thought would probably done well for the role they were cast in millers crappy jl film. If gl does happen with berlanti it would be sweet if besides a guy garnder cameo if john stewart gets a mention/cameo too.

[Matt312]

My guess is Warners will finally get their heads out of their asses after The Avengers is a success.

I think your right. Their gonna wait to see how the Avengers does.

[FlawlessVictory]

Miller Officially Off "Justice League"

By Garth Franklin
Monday, December 1st 2008 12:41am

Appearing on Sydney-based morning talk show "Sunrise" this morning, Aussie filmmaker George Miller confirmed he's no longer involved in the "Justice League" in any capacity.

According to scooper 'Steve' he says that Miller indicated that if the project does get going again, he expects that it'll be recast as "the studios seem to want bigger stars in their superhero movies now."

Miller also admits that he'd like to work with Mel Gibson on something again and while Mel doesn't want to do the Mad Max script he wrote, he hasn't given up on that possibility just yet.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081201j.php

[Jamie Madrox]

No suprise here. Pretty much knew it was going to happen. Way to many problems for one movie, he probably decided to give it up. Expect re-casting to happen.

[Steyin]

Great news IMO. I think DC listened to the fans after all the *****ing about how much of a bad idea this has been. I'd rather have the individual films established beforehand as Marvel is doing. There's only one thing about the Avengers vs. JL for me: I don't really care about any of the Marvel characters in that ensemble. Aside from liking IM only from a technical standpoint and Cap for his story, I'm neutral about Hulk and hate Thor. Ans seeing as how Spidey will never be intertwined in any way, I don't have much of an interest. Plus the JL can really be set up to feature so many DC heroes its ridiculous, they can JL variation films/sequels for years and years with each having a fresh take and cast of characters; and I find that rather exciting.

[Evil Twin]

Fanboys don't know what they're talking about, if they can even reach concensus, half the time. (Hell, apparently some think Venom is a good villain.) We wouldn't have gotten most of the good superhero movies we did get if fanboys were catered to. And even then there's still plenty of *****ing. Just go to the Watchmen forum for proof of that.

George Miller and the behind the scenes crew were the main reasons to have hope for a Justice League project. Now, maybe the costumes, preproduction art, and script will leak so that we can at last have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of what was proposed, instead of complaining based entirely on prejudices and assumptions.

[Hypestyle]

now that george miller's off it's a dead project most likely.. hopefully "DC Films" can get a cohesive vision together to bring the other hero stories to the screen, on a regular back to back basis, not just over-dependence on superman/batman.. I still want Shazam/Captain Marvel, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern.. Black Lightning can be done, too..

[Showtime]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081201j.php

What a huge surprise. :dry:

[biolumen]

Interesting that he says he's still trying to get Mel for MM4. I thought he'd given up. C'mon Mel, do it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Miller's been trying to get Mad Max 4 off the ground for years now. It was one of the reasons he apparently took on Justice League - WB basically said, "If you make JL for us, we'll let you make Mad Max 4!"

[Webhead2006]

So glad miller finally came out and said he is off the project. To bad he didnt come out soon like when the film originally got canned months ago. Hopefully wb will play is smarter know and try and get good films out for gl/flash/ww, reboot superman to be a better film for the fans/general audience. Then hopefully we get a grand, epic jl film like we should.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Fanboys don't know what they're talking about, if they can even reach concensus, half the time. (Hell, apparently some think Venom is a good villain.) We wouldn't have gotten most of the good superhero movies we did get if fanboys were catered to. And even then there's still plenty of *****ing. Just go to the Watchmen forum for proof of that.

George Miller and the behind the scenes crew were the main reasons to have hope for a Justice League project. Now, maybe the costumes, preproduction art, and script will leak so that we can at last have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of what was proposed, instead of complaining based entirely on prejudices and assumptions.

So true. What i found really sad was how, after Marvel announced their plan and method, most of the communitty became entirely convinced it WAS needed, even if it had to be applied to a preexistent, non-compatible group of movies. I said and maintain that while Marvel may have needed that for Avengers(because "Who the hell are Ironman, Thor and Antman?" is not a good question for premier night) the DC heroes are well enought known that that wouldn't apply to them.

But indeed, I doubt the fandom had a lot of say in this movie getting axed. If they'd started when they planned it, they might have had it by next year. Starting this year means that it it would probably be done by the same year Batman 3 is done. And that would be all kinds of trouble.

But, hey, the future's an open book. More than likely I'll be 40 years old by the time Justice League gets to film in any viable form(i'm 23 now).And Superman's legal future don't look so hot either so we may not see him in it either. I guess the lesson for me oughta be "WB says lots of things, that don't mean they gonna follow through".

Only future leaks shall tell us what we missed.

[biolumen]

Did Dark Horizons pull the Miller article? At the moment, the link redirects me to another article and I can't find it anywhere on their site. Perhaps it's a glitch in the Matrix.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081201j.php

[I Am The Knight]

Fanboys don't know what they're talking about, if they can even reach concensus, half the time. (Hell, apparently some think Venom is a good villain.) We wouldn't have gotten most of the good superhero movies we did get if fanboys were catered to. And even then there's still plenty of *****ing. Just go to the Watchmen forum for proof of that.

George Miller and the behind the scenes crew were the main reasons to have hope for a Justice League project. Now, maybe the costumes, preproduction art, and script will leak so that we can at last have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of what was proposed, instead of complaining based entirely on prejudices and assumptions.

Agreed. The only weak spot was the cast, which was a deal breaker for most. I remained caustiously optimistic about the cast when this thing seemed to actually be in development. But now I'm kind glad it's not going forward, as having individual movies for each character is a dream of mine that could come true if GL is succesful. Sigh.

[cerealkiller182]

Fanboys don't know what they're talking about, if they can even reach concensus, half the time. (Hell, apparently some think Venom is a good villain.) We wouldn't have gotten most of the good superhero movies we did get if fanboys were catered to. And even then there's still plenty of *****ing. Just go to the Watchmen forum for proof of that.

I disagree. The worse superhero movies are partly the worse because they leave the source material so much. I also think there are as many people welcome most changes (who also impulse agree with you) as there are purists who want zero change.

George Miller and the behind the scenes crew were the main reasons to have hope for a Justice League project. Now, maybe the costumes, preproduction art, and script will leak so that we can at last have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of what was proposed, instead of complaining based entirely on prejudices and assumptions.

Most of the whining I have heard has been either about Miller's ability (which is arguable but i think hes a good choice) and possible casting (which left a lot to be desired). Nothing about the production value or script, but some arguments that they should not have tried to rush the project to beat the writers strike, which I agree with.

[Evil Twin]

Most of the whining I have heard has been either about Miller's ability (which is arguable but i think hes a good choice) and possible casting (which left a lot to be desired). Nothing about the production value or script, but some arguments that they should not have tried to rush the project to beat the writers strike, which I agree with.

I don't know about you, but I've heard countless whining about how "camp" it would be and how it would just be a big budget version of "Super Friends", which as far as I can tell is based on nothing factual. Or that George Miller had no understanding of the characters. Or that George Miller's changes to the script made it worse, instead of better. Treating speculation as fact is silly. As is not having any sense of nuance.

I get being skeptical about the cast and the speed in which the project came together. All valid concerns. But, when it goes beyond that, I think people were just making things up. We don't know the details of the script. We have no idea of how it would be visualized. And George Miller never laid out his vision for the fans. Really big parts of the movie.

And fans have been wrong in big ways before. Michael Keaton as Batman, for instance. There were also complaints about Heath Ledger and Hugh Jackman. And Cillian Murphy and Tom Wilkinson. Leather uniforms on the X-Men. (I bet WATCHMEN will play fine with a different device near the end.) I'd say fans overlooking the importance of acting and interpretation in favor of looks is our biggest weakness. Especially as that's the thing we have the least knowledge of before we see the final product.

[Showtime]

The problem is it works both ways, there were people ripping on it with no evidence and people championing as the best thing since sliced bread with no evidence. There were very few people who said "Let us just wait and see."

[Webhead2006]

maybe dh wasnt allowed to post the article yet or something.

[Showtime]

It was most likely because Miller mentioned WB's possible new direction.

[The Major]

Fanboys don't know what they're talking about, if they can even reach concensus, half the time. (Hell, apparently some think Venom is a good villain.) We wouldn't have gotten most of the good superhero movies we did get if fanboys were catered to. And even then there's still plenty of *****ing. Just go to the Watchmen forum for proof of that.


Iron Man, Hellboy, Singer's X-men, Sin City and Nolan's Batman really dropped the ball by appealing to the fans, right? :whatever:

Venom could be a good villain with the right adaption. Spider-man 3 did terribly in showing the character at his full potential.

[The Major]

So true. What i found really sad was how, after Marvel announced their plan and method, most of the communitty became entirely convinced it WAS needed, even if it had to be applied to a preexistent, non-compatible group of movies. I said and maintain that while Marvel may have needed that for Avengers(because "Who the hell are Ironman, Thor and Antman?" is not a good question for premier night) the DC heroes are well enought known that that wouldn't apply to them.


The only DC heroes the public knows a good deal about are Superman and Batman. The others they know what they look like and their gimmicks but nothing else. And those include only about a dozen key characters at best, the majority of the DCU they don't have any idea who they are. That's why WB needs to work on their solo movies and building up those franchises.

[biolumen]

Garth at Dark Horizons offers a retraction. He appears to have been duped by his source.

Miller Still Onboard "Justice League"

By Garth FranklinTuesday, December 2nd 2008 10:42pm

A representative from Kennedy Miller has categorically denied Monday's scoop that Dr. George Miller is off the 'Justice League' project. They have confirmed that Miler did not appear on the ‘Sunrise Morning Show’ let alone discuss anything to do with "Justice League" or "Mad Max".

Rumors began months ago that Miller was leaving "Justice League" but were never confirmed and have now been officially shot down by his reps.

The 'League' project, more than practically any other project in the past two years, has suffered from incessant online rumors (most notably casting) that were often thrown up and later torn down. It seems that it has happened again here.

The original scooper, a usually reliable source, also seems to have vanished into the electronic ether. As for their current status? The KM rep says both 'League' and 'Max' are "being seriously worked on."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081202n.php

[The Guard]

Hilarious.

[jmc]

That is funny, just another day at the JL offices then.

[Evil Twin]

The only DC heroes the public knows a good deal about are Superman and Batman. The others they know what they look like and their gimmicks but nothing else. And those include only about a dozen key characters at best, the majority of the DCU they don't have any idea who they are. That's why WB needs to work on their solo movies and building up those franchises.

Where I think people get tripped up, is that they somehow expect a movie to explain everything about the characters, even if it's not vital to the story at hand. Yes, a team film first isn't likely to explain all their origins, background, supporting characters, etc., but it's likely to be a good INTRODUCTION, show their powers, their personality, and what they stand for.

And, really, The Avengers isn't a great example, because there's reason to believe that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America could support solo franchises in the first place. Marvel apparently doesn't believe that they need to do an Ant-Man movie to understand him in The Avengers. You probably could do an Avengers movie with it beginning with them finding Captain America frozen in a block of ice before a solo film. Captain America's origin really isn't that interesting, he gets a shot of super soldier serum, but what he stands for is interesting.

There are pros and cons with each approach. The Avengers approach is asking a much bigger commitment of time from actors and is probably more expensive as they're going for already established stars to launch the solo movies, and have a proportional paycheck. How they're going to pay everyone and keep the budget within reason still isn't something Marvel has answered.

[solidsnake86]

Wow, I'm really amazed at how quickly warners is responding to these rumours to shoot them down. Seems to me like they are keeping quite the tight ship in terms of rumours on the dc properties.

[Evil Twin]

Iron Man, Hellboy, Singer's X-men, Sin City and Nolan's Batman really dropped the ball by appealing to the fans, right? :whatever:


What appeals to fans is a good movie which is faithful to the core concepts, not trying to satisfy a concensus checklist that probably doesn't exist.

There were plenty of complaints about all of those films by fans before they opened. And some after. Did you miss people openly wondering about a 6 foot Wolverine by an actor known for musical theater, if he was known at all? Did you miss all the countless debates about the Batmobile and rubber vs. cloth suits in regards to Nolan's Batman? Or a Joker with makeup and "Brokebat Mountain" jokes?

Plenty of "faithful" movies have gone wrong. Daredevil for one. X-Men 3 was just poorly made and conceived, but it wasn't inconsistent with Singer's X-Men in superficial ways. Heck, the Fantastic Four movies are "faithful" for the most part. But, the root causes of their failures weren't really available to fans, poor scripts and incompetent direction. Some miscasting too, but pretty much everyone involved had also done better work elsewhere, including Affleck and Alba.

Besides, apparently the fans over at Newsarama think Megan Fox should be a leading contender for Wonder Woman. That right there is reason that I should doubt fans. They know a lot about the characters, but apparently little about casting and acting.

[jmc]

Wow, I'm really amazed at how quickly warners is responding to these rumours to shoot them down. Seems to me like they are keeping quite the tight ship in terms of rumours on the dc properties.

According to the article it was Millers company not WB who debugged the report.

[Evil Twin]

That is funny, just another day at the JL offices then.

It's getting to be like a bad horror movie, isn't it. It's alive. It's dead. No, it's alive. Killed it this time. Wrong, still alive.

I don't think secrecy about the project has done it a lick of good. If it's still alive, rethinking their strategy would be a good idea.

[jmc]

It's getting to be like a bad horror movie, isn't it. It's alive. It's dead. No, it's alive. Killed it this time. Wrong, still alive.

I don't think secrecy about the project has done it a lick of good. If it's still alive, rethinking their strategy would be a good idea.

I've often said before that a movie about the making of a JL would be more entertaining than a JL movie, it has comedy gold written all over it. :woot:

[biolumen]

I've often said before that a movie about the making of a JL would be more entertaining than a JL movie, it has comedy gold written all over it. :woot:

And I get the feeling that we're not even half way through that movie.

[solidsnake86]

Millers not a bad director and frankly when you look at it the only thing they did wrong in fans eyes was the casting. But I'm also sure that WB said get a bunch of no names to keep the bill on the actors to a minimum so they could spend the money on SFX. When they announced WETA people were all but salivating and if they had gotten bale I think this movie would be in post production as we speak.

[Captain Planet!]

Darn it! I want this JLA movie killed for at least 5 years.

[luca_frontino]

Where I think people get tripped up, is that they somehow expect a movie to explain everything about the characters, even if it's not vital to the story at hand. Yes, a team film first isn't likely to explain all their origins, background, supporting characters, etc., but it's likely to be a good INTRODUCTION, show their powers, their personality, and what they stand for.

And, really, The Avengers isn't a great example, because there's reason to believe that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America could support solo franchises in the first place. Marvel apparently doesn't believe that they need to do an Ant-Man movie to understand him in The Avengers. You probably could do an Avengers movie with it beginning with them finding Captain America frozen in a block of ice before a solo film. Captain America's origin really isn't that interesting, he gets a shot of super soldier serum, but what he stands for is interesting.

There are pros and cons with each approach. The Avengers approach is asking a much bigger commitment of time from actors and is probably more expensive as they're going for already established stars to launch the solo movies, and have a proportional paycheck. How they're going to pay everyone and keep the budget within reason still isn't something Marvel has answered.

I completely agree. Think about a crossover movie in the Marvel universe. Would you really do all the solo films before that? It's pointless, utterly expensive and would require decades to end all the projects.
I tried to enjoy Iron Man, but (... man!) it just reminded me of how boring origins movies are. And Iron Monger kicked his @$$ quite painfully. If Potts wasn't there, Tony would lie in a tomb. What kind of super-hero is that?
At least The Hulk was going to kill The Abomination and got stopped!
And, don't ban me, but I strongly think that The Dark Knight is going to be forgot for good like Batman Begins. I just don't think of them as cult-movies. Batman '89 was the real reinvention of the character on the big screen. Nolan just fixed the tone and the atmosphere. Heck! In TDK we don't even see the bat-cave!
No, really.
I think an all-in-one approach is the best. My favorite comic book are Morrison's JLA and Marvel's Civil War because none of them is a solo title.
And while the fans fight to find the perfect actress to play Wonder Woman, I say the right choice is to go fully CGI because no woman can be WW.
Surely with a better quality than Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (that movie is 8 years old but still unsurpassed!) and they should use Alex Ross portrays with better costumes.
For me, WB should stop any pre-production on solo franchises and go with a Justice League CGI film series presenting mega-characters like Darkseid, The New Gods, Starro (it would be cool as first villain), The Anti-Monitor and so on.
But, of course, it's just my opinion.

[FlawlessVictory]

Darn it! I want this JLA movie killed for at least 5 years.

Miller will at least be tied up with Happy Feet 2 for a few years first.

[RAMORE]

Here is a Manip and some casting choices by Ravana here on the hype:

Manip | Justice League of America...

:: I decided to enter the first 'FanArt' manip competition. Even though there's no tangible prize, the JLA theme was interesting - I've not really manipped many DC images, so this was a good excuse.

:: I was originally working on something slightly more political, but that went out the window at some stage... I forget why.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/921/manipjla002gt8.jpg
. click for larger (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2950/manipjla001vd8.jpg) .


:: Line-up: The Flash (Ryan Reynolds), Batman (David Boreanaz), Wonder Woman (Monica Bellucci), Superman (Eddie Cibrian), Black Canary (Sarah Michelle Gellar), Aquaman (Paul Walker) and Captain Marvel (Patrick Warburton).
:: I'm not going to defend my casting choices; which may or may not suck... they were just cast for the look of this pic. Generally, I did want an 'older' cast overall, many JLA members just seems like they should be portrayed a little older; I'm not loving the direction the upcoming movie seems to headed in.
:: Yes, Captain Marvel is a bit lazy, but finishing the other made my eyes bleed, so I needed something easy.

... and yes, as someone pointed out... it is 'bulge-tastic'... Not my fault, entirely, though. Blame the perverts at DC. ; )

I thought the picture very well done the casting was ok but not stellar depends on the movie your selling. Straight out crazy action maybe...

[Showtime]

Garth at Dark Horizons offers a retraction. He appears to have been duped by his source.

[/b]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081202n.php

Miller's not doing Justice League...he's been off the project for months. If you want to cling to hope that there will be a Justice League film, there will be one. If you want to cling on to the hope that Miller is directing Justice League, your thread is torn.

[Retroman]

I've often said before that a movie about the making of a JL would be more entertaining than a JL movie, it has comedy gold written all over it. :woot:

And drama. You just can't make this stuff up!

[Webhead2006]

yea this is getting to nutty with wb they really need to get on the ball more. Is it happening is it not happening who is in who is out we just dont know what is going on with them. I totally agree we have known this film is not going to happen with millar's cast and him since it was dropped months ago and then their direction had now shifted to solo films like marvel.

[Jamie Madrox]

I think they should wait a few years. Too many delays and problems with this movie already, it's a clear sign it won't be made anytime soon.

[Webhead2006]

well of course its not going to happen with millers take. Maybe down the road and with wb's rate another 10+ yrs.

[The Major]

Where I think people get tripped up, is that they somehow expect a movie to explain everything about the characters, even if it's not vital to the story at hand. Yes, a team film first isn't likely to explain all their origins, background, supporting characters, etc., but it's likely to be a good INTRODUCTION, show their powers, their personality, and what they stand for.

It's one possible good introduction. It isn't the best one and has just a higher risk to those franchises within WB itself their solo movies wouldn't.

Solo movies would be much better in establishing the solo heroes, especially complex characters like Wonder Woman then a paper thin characterisation in a JL film where they'll contantly be in jeopardy of being overshadowed by Superman and Batman.

And, really, The Avengers isn't a great example, because there's reason to believe that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America could support solo franchises in the first place.

And? WW, GL, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Flash and numerous other DCU properties could all sustain a solo franchises.

Marvel apparently doesn't believe that they need to do an Ant-Man movie to understand him in The Avengers.

Marvel is making an Antman film IIRC.

Not that he's a good example for solo franchises. He's more like Martian Manhunter, though J'onn has had better luck as a solo hero.

Antman's a C-lister whose primarily suporting cast in Avengers. Personally I think he has the potential to be more but that isnt going to happen so it's besides the point.

The B-listers like WW, GL and Flash have more then enough potential to make it as solo movies.

You probably could do an Avengers movie with it beginning with them finding Captain America frozen in a block of ice before a solo film. Captain America's origin really isn't that interesting, he gets a shot of super soldier serum, but what he stands for is interesting.

There's more to Cap then being soldier who was injected with super-steroids.

Being from WW II and being revived in the modern era would be a good enough concept to make a solo fim about to introduce him to the audience.

His origin has always been interesting to me. Not many heroes have such a fascinating origin to explore.

There are pros and cons with each approach.
True.

The Avengers approach is asking a much bigger commitment of time from actors and is probably more expensive as they're going for already established stars to launch the solo movies, and have a proportional paycheck. How they're going to pay everyone and keep the budget within reason still isn't something Marvel has answered.

While JL has many B-list franchises which never reached their potential in solo projects in media since WB has practically ignore them and will bury them at the slightest hint of failure.

WB should have been making the solo movies and other projects higher priorities decades ago.

They aren't covering their flanks in animation or live action tv shows like Marvel has been doing, either. They have gotten better but their successes dont encourage DC to move forward with them as a continuous franchise. They ignore themafter the show ends which allow them to go back to obscurity which in turn negates the franchises being established with the public in the first place. That is not the way to keep make the lesser franchises solid. WB still has not found a way to give the lesser franchises access to multi-media simultaneous and multi-generational sychronicity only Batman and Superman have enjoyed. That's a severe disadvantage for any "new" solo franchise from DC.

[Venom'sDad]

well of course its not going to happen with millers take. Maybe down the road and with wb's rate another 10+ yrs.
Web, I don't think it will take that long; but, I for one am happy that Miller appears to be out.

[Webhead2006]

well i too hope it does take that long to happen but with all the problems dc solo films have been taking to get anywhere does look good. WW been in hell for like 10-15yrs, flash a couple of yrs, GA 1-2yrs, etc..... Then plus once a film actually is filming it takes atless a yr to get it filmed and all that. So who knows how long it will ever take to finally get ww/flash/aquaman/etc..... solo films.

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah... I just think a lot of DC projects will get off the snag once Nolan's Batman runs it course. Than they will run with the solo projects and use those actors/actress in an ensemble film including a new Batman and new Superman if they decide to reboot, otherwise, it will be Routh.

[Saint]

apparently the fans over at Newsarama think Megan Fox should be a leading contender for Wonder Woman.

Yeah. When I saw that, I felt ill.

[Venom'sDad]

I think this thread will break the 100,000 views very soon. :cool:

[IncrediNate]

did i win the 100,001st customer yet?

[biolumen]

Reelz Channel interviews Teresa Palmer for her new movie Bedtime Stories and claims to have asked Palmer for info regarding Justice League. Problem is, Justice League isn't mentioned by name in the interview, we know the movie itself is shelved, and her role would likely be recast even if they eventually went with the Mulroney script, so I don't know what they're talking about here.
Recently, ReelzChannel sat down with the star to talk about working with Adam Sandler, her role in the upcoming Young Americans -- and to try to get some details about her involvement in Justice League.

[edit]

RC: What do you have coming up?

Palmer: Well, I have another film coming out, another comedy set in the 1980s. It's called Young Americans with Topher Grace and Anna Faris. I believe it's coming out in the spring, which is really exciting. And then I think I may be doing this other movie, which I can't talk about just yet because it's not official.

RC: Whenever we ask that question, we always get, "We can't talk about it."

Palmer: I know 'cause we sign these confidentiality agreements. And so I'm not allowed to say anything, but and it sucks because I'm so excited. But I know I have to keep my mouth shut about it.

RC: It's an American movie?

Palmer: It's an American movie.

RC: Big movie or small movie?

Palmer: Big movie, so yeah, you'll just have to wait and see.

RC: Is there a big star we should know about that's in it?

Palmer: Maybe, but I can't say. Not allowed.

http://www.reelzchannel.com/article/805/interview-with-bedtime-stories-star-teresa-palmer

[Webhead2006]

it sucks we will likely never get to hear anything from what the crummy signed cast knew and were doing before jla got shelved. Lets just hope when/if wb can ever get it off the ground they will do it in the right mannor and not screw it up.

[Kevin Smith]

it sucks we will likely never get to hear anything from what the crummy signed cast knew and were doing before jla got shelved. Lets just hope when/if wb can ever get it off the ground they will do it in the right mannor and not screw it up.


totally agree.

[Webhead2006]

yea cause we can agree some of the cast and elements of what we knew wasnt sounding like a 100% great film. As i said a few times over jla should be treated as an epic scale lord of the rings type of film and not be a cheesy popcorn summer flix.

[biolumen]

Herald Sun: You've been attached to the superhero film Justice League, along with George Miller as director, and Megan Gale as Wonder Woman. Is that a definite goer?

Teresa Palmer: No idea. I hope it comes off. I was going to be playing a villain, which would be so exciting and totally different from anything I've done before. And with George Miller, an Aussie icon. Plus, I'm good friends with Megan, it would be so brilliant for her to be cast as Wonder Woman. Fingers crossed it will happen.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24843986-5006023,00.html

[Webhead2006]

nice update bio. But with the way things are now we know jla isnt on the plate for any near time being since they are now gun ho for solo films. With getting gl out in 2010(hopefully) and then a 3rd nolan batman.

[Venom'sDad]

Interesting

[Changeling]

I say that George Miller is still in the mix for an eventual Justice League film. I think that when they start thinking about JL film after the solo films are finished, George Miller will be their top choice. And I also think that he has a very good chance of directing a solo WW movie with Megan Gale.

[Webhead2006]

well looking at things a jla film isnt likely to be happening for atless 5 yrs maybe since they would probably if gl goes over well and a 3rd nolan film happen they would want to get flash/ww solos out there. So who knows if/when they ever do get jla on the plate again if miller would be interested or offered it.

[biolumen]

Palmer talks Justice League

Author: Clint Morris Date: Saturday, December 27th, 2008 Time: 10:30 pm

The lovely Teresa Palmer is probably as unversed as the rest of us when it comes to"Justice League of America" - Warner's likes to play their cards as close to their chests as an X-Men mutant - but she tells The Herald Sun that she's still raring to go, and as excited as ever, if the superhero project does get back up.

Though she has "No idea" when or if it'll happen, the "Bedtime Stories" star tells The Herald-Sun she does "hope it comes off".

For the first time Palmer also confirmed her rumoured casting of villainous Talia Al Ghul.

''I was going to be playing a villain, which would be so exciting and totally different from anything I've done before. And with George Miller, an Aussie icon. Plus, I'm good friends with Megan [Gale], it would be so brilliant for her to be cast as Wonder Woman. Fingers crossed it will happen.""

George Miller is said to be still attached to direct the project, and his reps have stated that his company is still very much working on it, but Warner Bros' have also revealed in numerous interviews that they're going to wait a while before teaming up Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and The Green Lantern.

Palmer and "Justice League" co-stars Megan Gale and Adam Brody ("The OC") spent quite a bit of time in Australia earlier this year - prepping for the flick; being fitted for their costumes and so on - but were told they were ''free to go'' when Warner pulled the pin on the project at the 11th hour.

http://www.moviehole.net/200817128-palmer-talks-justice-league

I say that George Miller is still in the mix for an eventual Justice League film. I think that when they start thinking about JL film after the solo films are finished, George Miller will be their top choice. And I also think that he has a very good chance of directing a solo WW movie with Megan Gale.

Miller still attached to WB's future JL movie? Perhaps, though Showtime has gone on record as saying that he's off any JL movie and has been for some time. Miller making the solo WW movie? I think that a long shot in the extreme, especially considering Joel Silver still holds the rights to and is currently working on developing the film.

[Webhead2006]

Yea things are likely not going to happen for a very long time with jl. Since after jl failed to happen/got canned and the decision to go solo films now. Hopefully like i said a few times before if it does ever get off the ground and filming it will be the right cast/story and everything.

[Changeling]

I miss all the arguments against this movie :(

[protocida]

I don't.

[Changeling]

I actually wanted it to be made. Thats how desperate I am for a JLA movie.

[Superark]

I did not want a Justice League movie to be made.

I much rather see a Worlds Finest film.

[Changeling]

Hmm. I wanna see both, but I want JLA first and foremost

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be great to see either happen but with all the problems jl had and now dc going solo route first like marvel's approach. So with wb/dc we are likely not going to see wf/jl for so long.

[Changeling]

Ahh well. My predictions are:
Green Lantern: 2010
Shazam or Jonah Hex: 2011
Batman 3: 2011
Superman Reboot: 2012
JLA: 2013

[Changeling]

Oops forgot the rest!
Wonder Woman: 2014
Flash: 2014

[protocida]

Edit.

[mclay18]

I actually wanted it to be made. Thats how desperate I am for a JLA movie.

The younger cast was, to say the least, badly chosen. I know I'm speaking as a comic fan (and not as the majority of the population), but I think an eventual JLA film would go down better if Routh and Bale were cast alongside capable actors to play GL, WW and MM. (They can keep Teresa Palmer, though.)

And the choice of scriptwriters -- why a married couple who only has one barely-known flick on their resume? Either a proper JLA or WF film would've benefited from having Paul Dini and Bruce Timm writing the story.

I'm secretly glad JLA got canned. Warners needs to do the solo films right before heading towards JLA territory with a different cast.

[Venom'sDad]

I for one am glad to see it shelved

[Changeling]

I suppose its for the best. But I want to see a JLA movie so bad. Christian Bale and Brandon Routh should be attached next time they plan on one..

[Venom'sDad]

Well that won't happen

[Webhead2006]

yea we are looking at atless 8-10yrs minuim on jla ever happening more so if they cant get their heads on straight on how to take the dc characters to the big screen.

[protocida]

For me, the only bad thing in the movie was the cast. And i was willing to give Megan Gale, Adam Brody and Common the benefit of the doubt. The director was great, the SFX company was great, the producers we're great and, according to the reliable Patrick Sauriol, the Script was great. I would't be sad if they made the movie.

And i think they'll do it until 2016.

[Maze]

The Blackout (2007 ) directed by Rigoberto Castañeda with Armie Hammer,( starring Amber Tamblyn) stills and trailer

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1186/11389854galml3.jpg


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8199/11389855galve6.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7863/11389853galkw7.jpg

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2120813/blackout_trailer/

[Changeling]

Whoa...JLA haters should look at that..He looks like Bruce

[jmc]

He looks more like a college frat boy.

[Webhead2006]

my main complain for hammer was his age and if he was batman with cotrona as supes they would have looked so off among other things.

[protocida]

Armie Hammer would be a decent Batman, judging by those pics.

Now, D.J. Cotrona is just wrong. REALLY wrong.

[Hooded Justice]

The younger cast was, to say the least, badly chosen. I know I'm speaking as a comic fan (and not as the majority of the population), but I think an eventual JLA film would go down better if Routh and Bale were cast alongside capable actors to play GL, WW and MM. (They can keep Teresa Palmer, though.)

And the choice of scriptwriters -- why a married couple who only has one barely-known flick on their resume? Either a proper JLA or WF film would've benefited from having Paul Dini and Bruce Timm writing the story.

I'm secretly glad JLA got canned. Warners needs to do the solo films right before heading towards JLA territory with a different cast.

What flick is that? I can't find anything they've written.

Whoa...JLA haters should look at that..He looks like Bruce

No he doesn't.

He looks more like a college frat boy.

Yes he does.

my main complain for hammer was his age and if he was batman with cotrona as supes they would have looked so off among other things.

Yes they would have.

Armie Hammer would be a decent Batman, judging by those pics.

Now, D.J. Cotrona is just wrong. REALLY wrong.

No he wouldn't.

Yes he is.

[mclay18]

What flick is that? I can't find anything they've written.

According to the IMDB, they're both co-directing Paper Man (they co-wrote the screenplay), which has Lisa Kudrow, Ryan Reynolds, and Emma Stone attached. Michelle also wrote some indy flick Sunny & Share Love You, which came out two years ago.

Additionally, they were rumored to have done uncredited rewrites on Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

[Evil Twin]

According to the IMDB, they're both co-directing Paper Man (they co-wrote the screenplay), which has Lisa Kudrow, Ryan Reynolds, and Emma Stone attached. Michelle also wrote some indy flick Sunny & Share Love You, which came out two years ago.

Additionally, they were rumored to have done uncredited rewrites on Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

It's worth remembering that WB was moving forward with a JLA movie because they liked the spec script that the Mulroney's produced, not because they were actively developing a JLA movie and those were the writers with the best resume they could find. WB apparently liked their previous work, asked them to pitch a new script of their choosing, and liked the final result. There's not one thing wrong with WB's approach.

A spec script is a great way to find new talent. A spec script is basically a lottery ticket and if WB didn't like the script, no big deal, nothing was in the pipeline anyways and spec scripts cost basically nothing by Hollywood standards. And if they did like the script, hey, potential blockbuster and new talent is discovered. There's no downside to commissioning a spec script.

[Venom'sDad]

None of this matter anyway, because the film is not being made.

[Hooded Justice]

According to the IMDB, they're both co-directing Paper Man (they co-wrote the screenplay), which has Lisa Kudrow, Ryan Reynolds, and Emma Stone attached. Michelle also wrote some indy flick Sunny & Share Love You, which came out two years ago.

Additionally, they were rumored to have done uncredited rewrites on Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about the Mr. & Mrs. Smith rewrites.

None of this matter anyway, because the film is not being made.

Thank God.

[Venom'sDad]

";)"

[Kevin Smith]

The Blackout (2007 ) directed by Rigoberto Castañeda with Armie Hammer,( starring Amber Tamblyn) stills and trailer

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1186/11389854galml3.jpg


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8199/11389855galve6.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7863/11389853galkw7.jpg

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2120813/blackout_trailer/

Wow! He does! And he sounds like the cartoon Batman with his deep voice.

[I Am The Knight]

I think he looks good in those pics. Like a young Bruce though, not an established one. And obviously you would have to lose the whole junkie/white trash thing.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm not feeling young Bruce from him...eh

[Webhead2006]

we should all be thankful though since jla failed to happen wb finally saw its better to do solo films first. As to now if we are ever going to get anything else from the bros warner with dc comics is another thing.

[biolumen]

we should all be thankful though since jla failed to happen wb finally saw its better to do solo films first.

Speak for yourself, buddy. Or better yet, come back and say that 20 years from now when there still isn't a JLA movie.

[Venom'sDad]

Bio... what part of the isle do you reside?

[biolumen]

Honolulu area of Oahu.

[Webhead2006]

well yes i would love to see jla happen in the next few yrs and i hope it wont take more then 10yrs to happen but millar's jl could have been a crappy take on the characters and totally bombed for all we know. but hopefully if they can get gl off the ground and filming this yr, another batman after, fix superman, maybe we can see a faster, and done properly jl.

[biolumen]

but millar's jl could have been a crappy take on the characters and totally bombed for all we know.

For all we know, the JLA movie we might get 23 years from now will at that time remind us a movie 27 years previous called 'Fantastic Four'. Tell us soothsayer, will it be worth the wait?

[jmc]

The characters aren't going anywhere. I can wait.

[Antonello Blueberry]

we should all be thankful though since jla failed to happen wb finally saw its better to do solo films first. As to now if we are ever going to get anything else from the bros warner with dc comics is another thing.
I really can't be thankful for not seeing a movie with a storyline taken straight out of the comics, with Oscar winning people in the crew and WETA doing the costumes.

[Mercurius]

I really can't be thankful for not seeing a movie with a storyline taken straight out of the comics, with Oscar winning people in the crew and WETA doing the costumes.


Ditto. :cwink:

[ZIPBAGS]

Armie Hammer will be appearing on the new season of Reaper. Which starts up again in March.

As for JLA. I was thrilled when I heard Warner was going to make it. Then I heard the cast and some of the story plots and then I was thrilled when they shelved the idea.

[birdgirl]

The Blackout (2007 ) directed by Rigoberto Castañeda with Armie Hammer,( starring Amber Tamblyn) stills and trailer

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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2120813/blackout_trailer/

Always did, and still would, support him in the role. I know JLA is dead in its current form, and given the fan backlash he'll never get the role again, but I think he would have been excellent. Total dark horse.

[The Guard]

This is a world away from the DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES clips we've seen of him. I love that, it shows that he likely does have the range needed to play Bruce and Batman. He has a lot of intensity. His voice sounds dark enough to pull off the character. I can see a young Bruce Wayne, and definitely Batman, if he can pull off the performance. Oh well.

[Webhead2006]

well i would have been happy if the film did happen just with a better suited cast in place. Cause come on tressa palmer for talia, that jay B for max lord and dj cotrona for supes those were pretty much the wrost picks they could have done with the cast. Then gale with no/little acting experience and probably couldnt act to hold the character up good enough. Though i always said she had the right looks.

[The Major]

Then gale with no/little casting experience and probably could act to hold the character up good enough.

Probably isn't good enough for a complex, iconic role which may get overshadowed by Batman and Superman with a solo franchise that is this side of dead at WB.

There are no second chances with WW or the lesser characters. The franchise needs the best to survive and Gale doesn't come close to qualifying IMO.

They need to make the more vulnerable franchises, which is very character which isn't Batman or Superman, and they can do that with more then a big budget movie which places all the lesser franchise at risk. They need long term, multi-media planning to set the solo movies up then move on to JLA.

Though i always said she had the right looks.
Agreed.

[Webhead2006]

yea i know with ww/flash they should atless got a bit more better suited actors in place. Though brody i was willing to give the benefit of the doubt he could probably done well in the flash role, common from everything i heard about him has had some good roles so far and building his acting experience up. Just the rest really wouldnt have probably made the film good and would u rather have a ****** cast and possibly a ****** movie or a film taken more serious and treated like an epic grand film with a bigger better cast of canidates.

[Mercurius]

Probably isn't good enough for a complex, iconic role which may get overshadowed by Batman and Superman with a solo franchise that is this side of dead at WB.

There are no second chances with WW or the lesser characters. The franchise needs the best to survive and Gale doesn't come close to qualifying IMO.

They need to make the more vulnerable franchises, which is very character which isn't Batman or Superman, and they can do that with more then a big budget movie which places all the lesser franchise at risk. They need long term, multi-media planning to set the solo movies up then move on to JLA.


Agreed.

Your bashing of Megan Gale is on the verge of something pathological, Majah. :wow:

Whenever the lesser opportunity shows up, you jump and start badmouthing her. Maybe it's a personal pleasure, but it's a tad weird, nonetheless.

If for nothing more, you just do not know if she'd be a bad actress.

You have your prospects, your data, etc. but the passion you put in making sure no mention to her will pass without you saying something evil about is indeed peculiar.

[protocida]

Great, there are more JL supporters than i tought! :woot:

[BATZARRO WWD]

Of course. I knew JLM had a lot of potential. And it's so rare that WB gets something out on films that isn't exclusively Batman and/or Superman(and I'm not talking about Constantin, either. I mean MAINLINE DC)and I knew it's success could make them make more. The horizon looks so empty, now. But tell you what, word has it that WB isn't making the 3 other films it planned based on the Potter books because it couldn't piggyback on the books. If it is true, and that's a big if, then the vacuum that could create.

In the meantime, we can sit in a wasteland overjoyed the car ain't working. I heard that Oasis was stinky anyway. ;)

[The Major]

Your bashing of Megan Gale is on the verge of something pathological, Majah. :wow:

I'm "bashing" since Gale chose to accept the role when she had the opportunity to. She opened herself up willingly for public scrutiny with that choice. That's the downside of being a celebrity, unfortunately.

Whenever the lesser opportunity shows up, you jump and start badmouthing her.

I'm sure she can take it. Gale is a big girl, after all.

Maybe it's a personal pleasure, but it's a tad weird, nonetheless.

Its just opinion. If she does something to change my mind I'll stop doing it. Until then she'll remain a target of legitimate criticism.

If for nothing more, you just do not know if she'd be a bad actress.

I know enough to understand the franchise would suffer with her in the role.

Being a mediocre or merely good actress is not only not enough for a role as important as WW but things rival actresses can bring without her negatives. Fact is she hasn't come close to showing she can even accomplish that low standard in acting. In our discussions and Gale's resume you hasn't proven she can do that with a random love interest, never mind WW. It's just something we'll always disagree on.

You have your prospects, your data, etc. but the passion you put in making sure no mention to her will pass without you saying something evil about is indeed peculiar.

When did I say something evil? I hold no person grudge against Gale. All I'm doing is stating my opinion based on the facts about a franchise I'm passionate about.

[Mercurius]

I'm "bashing" since Gale chose to accept the role when she had the opportunity to. She opened herself up willingly for public scrutiny with that choice. That's the downside of being a celebrity, unfortunately.

Yeah, and by that definition, you are making a strong case to be this downside, unfortunately.

Legitimate criticism is one thing, but follow every mention to a name in order to bash it is weird, and quite personal.

[Hooded Justice]

Of course. I knew JLM had a lot of potential. And it's so rare that WB gets something out on films that isn't exclusively Batman and/or Superman(and I'm not talking about Constantin, either. I mean MAINLINE DC)and I knew it's success could make them make more. The horizon looks so empty, now. But tell you what, word has it that WB isn't making the 3 other films it planned based on the Potter books because it couldn't piggyback on the books. If it is true, and that's a big if, then the vacuum that could create.

In the meantime, we can sit in a wasteland overjoyed the car ain't working. I heard that Oasis was stinky anyway. ;)

:huh:.

[I Am The Knight]

I really can't be thankful for not seeing a movie with a storyline taken straight out of the comics, with Oscar winning people in the crew and WETA doing the costumes.

Ha :hehe:

[The Major]

Yeah, and by that definition, you are making a strong case to be this downside, unfortunately.

My criticism of Gale will be nothing compared to the firestorm that would erupt if Gale fails in the WW role.

Legitimate criticism is one thing, but follow every mention to a name in order to bash it is weird,

It isn't any weirder then Gale's supporters defending her whenever someone criticizes her. The only difference between us are the sides we're on.

and quite personal.

How is it personal?

[Mercurius]

My criticism of Gale will be nothing compared to the firestorm that would erupt if Gale fails in the WW role.



It isn't any weirder then Gale's supporters defending her whenever someone criticizes her. The only difference between us are the sides we're on.



How is it personal?

1) Unlikely.

2) Defending a person from attacks seems to me far better than attacking. And attacks from conjectures.

3) Directed to a person, with insistence, based on conjectures and set to discredit her.

[The Major]

1) Unlikely.

It's unlikely since Gale hasn't done a damn thing to change my mind. Definitely not enough to show she has the acting cred above better candidates like MEW, Hathaway, de la Garza, Helfer, Baccarin and the rest.
2) Defending a person from attacks seems to me far better than attacking.

Attacks aren't weird, though. Especially about controversial subjects with celebrities.

And attacks from conjectures.

Attacks based on legitimate concerns. We're not discussing someone with a resume who comes close to showing she can do the role or a person with much training or experience in acting, period. That's not conjecture, it's fact.

3) Directed to a person, with insistence,

Because of how dire the situation with the franchise is. Not that anyone with her resume should be anywhere near a complex super-heroine role.

based on conjectures

Based on facts.

and set to discredit her.

She discredits herself.

[Evil Twin]

No offense Major, but since noone has seen Megan Gale act as WW, except perhaps for George Miller in her audition, any conclusions on how she would have done in the role ARE based on conjecture. (A role, btw, that we have very little idea about what was asked of the performer in terms of acting as opposed to physical presence. There still isn't any credible script review out there.) Perhaps reasonable conjecture, but conjecture all the same. There's no way to dress it up otherwise.

[BATZARRO WWD]

:huh:.
Well, that's what I heard, anyway. I heard say they were gonna stretch the last book into 3 more movies, then later that they wouldn't because of what I just explained. Then again, who knows?

[Mercurius]

It's unlikely since Gale hasn't done a damn thing to change my mind. Definitely not enough to show she has the acting cred above better candidates like MEW, Hathaway, de la Garza, Helfer, Baccarin and the rest.


Attacks aren't weird, though. Especially about controversial subjects with celebrities.



Attacks based on legitimate concerns. We're not discussing someone with a resume who comes close to showing she can do the role or a person with much training or experience in acting, period. That's not conjecture, it's fact.



Because of how dire the situation with the franchise is. Not that anyone with her resume should be anywhere near a complex super-heroine role.



Based on facts.



She discredits herself.


Well, there's really nothing I can tell you that would show better how unbalanced you are on that issue than your own words above.

It's really weird, way beyond just "passionate".

[The Major]

Well, there's really nothing I can tell you that would show better how unbalanced you are on that issue than your own words above.


You haven't logically disputed a single thing I've said.

Exactly what did I say that was unbalanced? Because you say so? :whatever:

It's really weird, way beyond just "passionate".

No, it isn't. I've always been logical in choosing my reasons for why Gale is wrong for role with actual evidence to back it up.

Nor am I the only one who thinks that way in this forum and I can guarantee what I've been saying about Gale will seem like I'm her biggest fan if she managed to fail in the WW role. The backlash would not only possibly kill her acting career but make her a laughing stock to the public but every casual and hard core WW fan would hate her guts for killing the property for another generation. Unlike the other candidates she has neither the experience to deal with that backlash or the public's confidence she can succeed in other acting roles.

[protocida]

George Miller is a great director, and he liked Megan Gale's acting. I trust him.

Moving on: Omacs. Do you think they'd work in a movie?

[Steelsheen]

George Miller is a great director, and he liked Megan Gale's acting. I trust him.

Moving on: Omacs. Do you think they'd work in a movie?

most definitely. when i was reading it first thing that occurred to me was how great this would look live action on the big screen.

and just to toss my two bits in regarding Megan Gale: she has a great personality in interviews and speaks her mind well enough. i know those are hardly qualifications for being a good actress, but with that i'm willing to give her a chance.

[Venom'sDad]

Moving on: Omacs. Do you think they'd work in a movie?
Time may tell at some point in the future, if they choose to start with them. I personally don't like them; but they may be the the best villain to start off with to keep from bringing in the heavy hitters from the offset. Much like how Batman Begins started out with smaller less popular or less widely, well known characters.

Writing and the usage of characters, and mature motivations, imo, are first most.

[Kevin Smith]

George Miller is a great director, and he liked Megan Gale's acting. I trust him.

Moving on: Omacs. Do you think they'd work in a movie?

Hell yes! They could be scary as hell! :D

[Binker]

Would it possible, and maybe for the best, NOT to have Batman in a JLA film? I mean, right now every DC film that is not Batman is being looked at andf therefore having some problems (Superman being rebooted, question mark for Green Lantern, Captain Marvel's latest try out being dead, and finally the continung development hell for Wonder Woman and Flash). JLA was meant to help reinvent Superman and finally launch the character franchises out of development hell. Since Batman isn't a problem, and it would be for the best to respect the director's ideas and not have two Batmen nor try to have or even force the Nolanverse with other superhero universes (since Nolan himself made the desicion that Batman was the ONLY superhero in his films universe), how about not having Batman in the JLA? It would make more sense and therefore be better when they try to write and get it off the ground. Plus, it's not like a version of the League without Batman there wasn't successful.

to for e the Nolanverse would it be

[Mercurius]

Batman should be in.

I think he should be a shadowy character that would help define and clear two or three things inthe movie. Not speaking much, but to the point in every occasion, and a tad cruel.

Justice League needs to be a movie that can handle Nolan's take on the character, otherwise it is pointless.

It must be something along the lines of Kingdom Come, overall, even for Superman's sake, too. The next mistake with Supes, he's dead for movies.

They must understand a new Supes will need to be more like Alex Ross envisaged him.

[protocida]

Batman was a member of the Justice League before Nolan made Batman Begins, so, i think Batman should't be left out because the realistic portrait Nolan gave him. They should simply make Batman fit the JLA world, and convince Christian Bale to be in the movie. The general public would't notice a thing. The only ones that could (Possibly) complain would be fanboys and some critics. But the movie would be a hit. It's the Justice League, after all. :woot:

About the portrayal, i think Superman should be a mix of Geoff Johns and Alex Ross portraids. A Natural leader, a powerfull man and a real superhero. He's good of heart, but when it's necessary, he can tought and badass. I like the Omacs as villains because they're robots, so, Superman would't have to contain himself and could show how powerfull he really is. Can you imagine Superman vs. 100.000. Omacs at once? :wow:

[FaT_tONle]

Would it possible, and maybe for the best, NOT to have Batman in a JLA film? I mean, right now every DC film that is not Batman is being looked at andf therefore having some problems (Superman being rebooted, question mark for Green Lantern, Captain Marvel's latest try out being dead, and finally the continung development hell for Wonder Woman and Flash). JLA was meant to help reinvent Superman and finally launch the character franchises out of development hell. Since Batman isn't a problem, and it would be for the best to respect the director's ideas and not have two Batmen nor try to have or even force the Nolanverse with other superhero universes (since Nolan himself made the desicion that Batman was the ONLY superhero in his films universe), how about not having Batman in the JLA? It would make more sense and therefore be better when they try to write and get it off the ground. Plus, it's not like a version of the League without Batman there wasn't successful.

to for e the Nolanverse would it be

I say Batman out... if Bale doesn't want to do it. Pick up with the solo movies and then recast Batman when its time to finally make the film. If Bale agrees I'd do a JL movie first before going ahead with Flash or WW or even GL. I'd do the Supes reboot before the JL movie though.

[The Major]

I say Batman out... if Bale doesn't want to do it. Pick up with the solo movies and then recast Batman when its time to finally make the film.

Agreed.

If Bale agrees I'd do a JL movie first before going ahead with Flash or WW or even GL.

They could do a World's Finest for Bale to keep Nolan's Batman busy until JLA.

JLA is just to big a risk to do immediately before the solo movies IMO. It tanking would take all the lesser franchises with it. You can avoid that with WF, allow more time for the solos and keep Bale's Batman around all without putting the vulnerable franchises in danger.

I'd do the Supes reboot before the JL movie though.
Agreed.

[FaT_tONle]

They could do a World's Finest for Bale to keep Nolan's Batman busy until JLA.

:whatever:... yeah let's get Bale to do WF, then JLA, then lets get Nolan to do a fourth... or lets pick up with a Synder directed Dark Knight Returns movie... then let's get Bale to come back when he is 70 years old for Batman Beyond. Guys, he can't do this bull **** forever. It's one or the other. With the failure that was Superman Returns... the opportunity for a WF film is gone... there won't be time to relaunch the Superman franchise to merit a meaningful WF film while Bale/Nolan are finishing up their franchise. If you ask me... it's a waste of time rebooting Supes now that I think of it... just sign a big name for Kent and go straight to a JLA movie. I'd think the movie would bomb either way since the budget would be too damn high.

JLA is just to big a risk to do immediately before the solo movies IMO. It tanking would take all the lesser franchises with it. You can avoid that with WF, allow more time for the solos and keep Bale's Batman around all without putting the vulnerable franchises in danger.

Which is why I said... flesh out all the solo films for a good six years (unlike Marvel)... then go into JLA movie... without Bale (for the mere reason that he'd grow out of the character by then). That is the only way to build some credibility with these characters. Superman reboot 2012... GL, WW, Flash, between 2012-2014... maybe even some Superman/GL sequels... before a JLA movie. Now let's hypthetically say you make the Superman sequel a WF film... with Bale. Then you pretty much have to lock him up for a JLA movie if all these films going to even lead into something greater... how much would his contract alone cost? 65-80 million... easily... look at Depp's rumored contract for POTC 4... or Maguire's contract for SM4/5. I mean is that practical at all? The point I am making... and the point I have been making all along... if they are going to do this right... I don't think Nolan/Bale or any part of the current Batman franchise should be involved with the rest of the DC universe... .. simply because it's too late to make amends.

[Mercurius]

Justice League. With Batman. Movie able to adapt Nolanverse. Restart Supes with it, Alex Ross's style.

[Venom'sDad]

^ Agree ^

[ClarkLuther55]

Why do Gale supporters keep bringing up the same points which have already been dealt with again and again?

George Miller is a great director, and he liked Megan Gale's acting. I trust him.

George Miller hasn't directed a live action film in over a decade; his last one was the lousy and weird Babe 2: Pig in the City.

He also approached Megan Gale for the role, completely unsolicited by her. Even though she had no real acting experience. Is it wrong to question how great her private audition was, when the only guy who's telling us she was good is the guy who targeted her BEFORE knowing she could act?

Again, people aren't supposed to prove a negative. Gale's detractors don't need to show that she can't act. People need to show that she can.

Until then she's just a huge risk, one that the WB, the character of Wonder Woman, and the fans shouldn't take. Why get Gale, when hot women who have acted in TV and movies are a dime a dozen in Hollywood? Gale herself admitted that she was happy the movie got derailed so she would have more time to take acting lessons. That's not something a real actress who was confident in her skills would say.

Finally, the JL "Mortal" (what a stupid name) project is dead for the time being. People need to stop bringing this up again and again, as if it isn't possible to move past a non-actress like Gale.

[The Major]

:whatever:... yeah let's get Bale to do WF, then JLA, then lets get Nolan to do a fourth... or lets pick up with a Synder directed Dark Knight Returns movie... then let's get Bale to come back when he is 70 years old for Batman Beyond. Guys, he can't do this bull **** forever. It's one or the other. With the failure that was Superman Returns... the opportunity for a WF film is gone... there won't be time to relaunch the Superman franchise to merit a meaningful WF film while Bale/Nolan are finishing up their franchise. If you ask me... it's a waste of time rebooting Supes now that I think of it... just sign a big name for Kent and go straight to a JLA movie. I'd think the movie would bomb either way since the budget would be too damn high.



Which is why I said... flesh out all the solo films for a good six years (unlike Marvel)... then go into JLA movie... without Bale (for the mere reason that he'd grow out of the character by then). That is the only way to build some credibility with these characters. Superman reboot 2012... GL, WW, Flash, between 2012-2014... maybe even some Superman/GL sequels... before a JLA movie. Now let's hypthetically say you make the Superman sequel a WF film... with Bale. Then you pretty much have to lock him up for a JLA movie if all these films going to even lead into something greater... how much would his contract alone cost? 65-80 million... easily... look at Depp's rumored contract for POTC 4... or Maguire's contract for SM4/5. I mean is that practical at all? The point I am making... and the point I have been making all along... if they are going to do this right... I don't think Nolan/Bale or any part of the current Batman franchise should be involved with the rest of the DC universe... .. simply because it's too late to make amends.

I can agree with that.

[Lane & Kent]

I can't see Adam Brody as Flash, but I think he'd be a good Kyle Rayner.

[Binker]

I agree with you, FaT_tONle, as well. But, there is also my reason why the Nolanverse cannot be canon with all the other films including JLA: it was never meant for that at all. When Nolan developed Batman Begins, he made the desicion that ONLY Batman exists, no other superheroes past presrnt or future from that film. The two ways to do this are either: a) you introduce once in each characters' franchises and then reintroduce all of them again in the team-up series, or b) Superman-whoever, not Batman, become part of the JLA.

P.S. my wish is to not have the JLA as the first film, but WF first (first Superman/Batman team-up (NOT FIGHT!), then Trinity (two leads to three with Wonder Woman), and then finally with JLA. But with any take on JLA, before or after the solo films, they have to make sure the number of heroes is small (4-5). Otherwise its just too crowded. Sorry guys, but that is the truth, and you can't deny that.

[Webhead2006]

yea jl mortal is dead and buried and with all the development problems for all dc characters besides gl/hex right now who knows if we are ever going to see ww/flash/jla happen within the next 5-8 yrs untill there is some serious changes within wb and dc.

[biolumen]

Watchmen writers appear to dismiss doing a JL script.

IESB: (Now that) You've both done Watchmen. There are still other crown jewels in the DC and Marvel Universe. Like the Justice League. Is that something that you've both considered, or looked at, in terms of a Justice League film? I know they're doing that at Warner Bros. Or even Superman...

TSE: Well, there are already scripts for Justice League and they're already engaged with writers.

HAYTER: They're already down the road. I wouldn't... when, Bryan took on Superman, I was like, you know I'm up for anything, but...I wouldn't want to take on Superman. Each property has its joys and its pitfalls. The Justice League is a very daunting prospect. I mean, it can be done. Anything can be done. It's multi-character, but it's also very expensive and you're dealing with a lot of studio pressures.

TSE: And a lot of mythologies...

HAYTER: And they don't necessarily mesh. I don't know...

TSE: And because with something like say, Justice League, you have to be conscious of the fact that these characters they will want to have each of these individuals to have their own movies. It'd also be very limiting, also what DC's input would be regarding the direction you take these characters.

HAYTER: They have all these rules to make sure you don't devastate these prime characters.

TSE: And continuity.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6392&Itemid=99

[Crook]

Pussies. :cmad:

[biolumen]

Miller still claims he's attached, but that a JLA film is "a fair way down the track".

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Justice League’ Movie Still A Possibility, Says Director… Just Not Anytime Soon

Published by Casey Seijas on Monday, March 9, 2009 at 8:31 am.

"The Dark Knight” was a proven success, both critically and financially. If fan reaction can be believed, Warner Bros. seems to be pushing all the right buttons for an upcoming “Green Lantern” feature film to follow suit. Mention a “Superman” revamp, a “Wonder Woman” casting rumor or the latest scuttlebutt on Marvel’s sure-to-be-geekgasmic “Avengers” project, and watch the message boards light up.

Clearly fans want to see what would arguably be the Holy Grail of comic book flicks, “Justice League,” but given all of the news lately regarding a possible “JLA” flick being delayed indefinitely, should we even bother getting our hopes up? Attached director George Miller thinks so…just don’t hold your breath.

“I’m still attached to the film,” said Miller in an exclusive chat with MTV. “Warner Bros. is waiting to develop the other characters a little bit and then bring ‘Justice League’ together. After the success of ["The Dark Knight"], it’s well known that they will develop the other characters and then bring them together in ‘Justice League’. That’s a fair way down the track.”

Miller has long been the voice of a “Justice League” film, always there to remind DC-ites that it’s indeed still alive and that he is still on board to direct (even when news outlets say that he’s not), but it looks like Warner Bros. and DC Comics are officially following Marvel’s model of releasing single-hero movies that would build up to an ensemble film.

In any event, be sure to keep it tuned to Splash Page for more on Miller and “Justice League” as it’s announced.

Would you like to see “Justice League” happen? Are you patient enough to wait until Warner Bros. releases solo-films on its possible members?
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/09/exclusive-justice-league-movie-still-a-possibility-says-director-just-not-anytime-soon/

Further confirmation that WB is going to continue following Marvel's model.