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Lestat74

03-17-2008, 06:57 PM

According to who though? You?

Hes been in huge movies that have made multiple millions of dollars...what I am pointing out is that he has been on mainstream television shows both late night and otherwise and in mass media magazines. This guy is not only known on the internet, that makes no sense. He sure has to thank the internet for his rise, but to say the general public only knows him as Batman is ridiculous.

Sorry to be the voice of dissent, but Christian Bale is NOT a huge star in the strictest sense of the word. I love the guy, and have since freakin' Empire of the Sun, but he is not a household name yet. For the average Joe Schmoe moviegoer who isn't really into film/acting, he's still "that guy from that one movie...whatshisname?" or "the new Batman". People like Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Russel Crowe even...they are household names. Even my parents know who they are, by name. Sometimes this doesn't only apply to Box Office clout, Russel Crowe and George Clooney have had their share of bombs, but they are constantly on tabloid covers/ gossip shows based on just who they are dating, making it so their faces/names are rammed into everyone's brains. Christian Bale is an actor's actor for sure, and people who are really into film do know who is aside from Batman, but that's it. Again, not a slight against Bale; the truth is there are really only 25-30 Mega Stars "everyone and your mom knows their names" left in the movie business, but Christian Bale ain't one of 'em. I mean, look at Ewan McGregor...everyone saw the Star Wars movies ( even if they hated 'em ) and have probably seen him in some other stuff, but you can't tell me he's a household name either. To Joe Schmoe, he's still...'that guy...whatshisname...from Star Wars and the Nicole Kidman singing movie"

Showtime

03-17-2008, 07:22 PM

Sorry to be the voice of dissent, but Christian Bale is NOT a huge star in the strictest sense of the word. I love the guy, and have since freakin' Empire of the Sun, but he is not a household name yet. For the average Joe Schmoe moviegoer who isn't really into film/acting, he's still "that guy from that one movie...whatshisname?" or "the new Batman". People like Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Russel Crowe even...they are household names. Even my parents know who they are, by name. Sometimes this doesn't only apply to Box Office clout, Russel Crowe and George Clooney have had their share of bombs, but they are constantly on tabloid covers/ gossip shows based on just who they are dating, making it so their faces/names are rammed into everyone's brains. Christian Bale is an actor's actor for sure, and people who are really into film do know who is aside from Batman, but that's it. Again, not a slight against Bale; the truth is there are really only 25-30 Mega Stars "everyone and your mom knows their names" left in the movie business, but Christian Bale ain't one of 'em. I mean, look at Ewan McGregor...everyone saw the Star Wars movies ( even if they hated 'em ) and have probably seen him in some other stuff, but you can't tell me he's a household name either. To Joe Schmoe, he's still...'that guy...whatshisname...from Star Wars and the Nicole Kidman singing movie"

Never said he was a "mega star" but if you read the previous posts and you agree with the fact that he is only "known on the internet", then I really don't know what to tell you. I think that is completely ridiculous at this point.

Maze

03-17-2008, 07:38 PM

Biolumen recieved this on Imdbmp february 25th. yes i know it's imdb but read on its just little tidbis, but it seem like it is the real deal

Hi Biolumen,
Yes the Mulroney's are back in Oz. I know because they are my sister/brother-in laws. Michele rang last week to say that they were going back for a week or so.
She stayed with us over Xmas during the strike and we are all very excited of course. She obviously couldn't tell us a great deal about such a high profile project but it was facinating to hear about the script process and how it got to where it is today, with huge stage sets being built and actors in fitness camps prior to the strike.
I don't really care if it is a great movie or not, it will just be amazing to see the finished article and their names on the credits and hopefully some tickets to the UK premier ha ha. She assured me that it will get made, although I think the 2009 date is out of the window.
Believe me, they have worked seriously hard to get where they are today and deserve every bit of success that comes their way.

Finally a little plug for Michele's indie project 'Sunny and Share Love You', I've seen a copy and it's fab. She co-wrote, co-starred (for the 1st time) and produced the whole thing for $70,000. A bit different to the JLA!!
Check out the clips on Youtube.

Take care
Tony

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0974015/board/thread/100550039?d=100558397&p=2#100558397

Showtime

03-17-2008, 07:50 PM

So from above it seems that they are talking 2010 here, which is interesting.

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 07:52 PM

Who knows right now if filming starts earlier then july or july its still possible for late summer 09 released. By the way to soon to tell right now.

Showtime

03-17-2008, 08:15 PM

Heh Heh.

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 08:27 PM

Yea really counts on how long it takes production to film and then most of the time for films its post production that takes forever. Its all possible to have a good film done in a short ammount of time. But we probably wont know for sure untill filming is underway if late summer 09 is still fesible or if they bump it to 2010. And we all

Showtime

03-17-2008, 08:43 PM

It might end up being filmed in the fall and drop in 2010.

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 08:45 PM

could be we dont know for sure at this time untill we get offical word on start date and all that.

Showtime

03-17-2008, 08:53 PM

I know that, but if we sat here and waited for something official, then there would be nothing to talk about?

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 09:00 PM

Yea we got to do the whole speculation thing and hope for the best in the end.

FlawlessVictory

03-17-2008, 09:13 PM

So from above it seems that they are talking 2010 here, which is interesting.

I see 2010 popping up more and more in articles. Which makes you wonder when MOS would be released if that turns out to be the case.

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 09:23 PM

FlawlessVictory

03-17-2008, 09:51 PM

Probably 2011 it all really counts on which ruote they decide to go with it sequel to SR or a Reboot. I have been hearing but ideas are on the table and writers are pitches ideas for fresh start or sequel so untill a script is settled on we dont know where MOS is going to go.

I'm guessing 2011 is most likely reserved for the third Batman though. That franchise is on the most solid ground right now and they will probably keep it at 3 years apart.

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 09:58 PM

yea as i said really counts if MOS is an SR sequel or a reboot and reboot seems to be what wb wants now since how SR didnt perform as well as they wanted but as i said it really counts on which script they go with reboot one or sequel. Now if it is a reboot it will take time to get things started cast set, new director,etc... so between 10-12 range is most likely and if it is a sequel then possible 10 start date or what not. We dont know what is going on with MOS at this time.

AragornKing1

03-17-2008, 10:25 PM

So from above it seems that they are talking 2010 here, which is interesting.

Well Show, Infamous_Emijayne did say that if Justice League got pushed back to 2010, that WB would probably then fast track a sequel to Superman Returns to come out next year. Let's hope that happens.:cwink:

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 10:31 PM

Who knows from what i heard MOS is on back burner since they dont know what ruote they are going with it sequel or reboot really counts on script they get and decide to go with. As for jla alot of work was dont predelay/strike and some things have resumed i believe and they are more likely to happen they are jsut waiting to get new script in and if it is what WB wants then it will be going into production. MOS has nothing right now. So it would be hard to have MOS happen.

dnno1

03-17-2008, 10:33 PM

I doubt it. If they are writing the script now I doubt it will be ready in time for filming until October. Remember how it was with "Justice League" last year?

AragornKing1

03-17-2008, 11:21 PM

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 11:33 PM

Yea that is what i heard from wb is looking at scripts from all writers and some are pitching sequels to SR while others are pitching reboot. So with MOS it all really counts on which script they end up liking more and all that. Personally i would like to see a reboot since singer screwed up on thing in SR. But nothing is official yet just like JLA we dont have any real official information. But jla is going to happen they are just waiting for rewrite script to come in and if wb likes this draft things will probably be back to full swing to start in early/late summer counting on if there recasting(i hope hammer and cotrona out) and any other crew/tech issues.

AragornKing1

03-17-2008, 11:47 PM

So then the new writers that Bryan Singer is working with are writing a script for a sequel, which means that the story they pitched to WB was liked and WB told them to write a script and go from there. WB is just waiting for the script to see how good it is, right?

Webhead2006

03-17-2008, 11:55 PM

no There is no official writers for MOS right now wb is taking pitches from variety of writers and some as i said are pitching sequels to SR while others are pitching reboot film. So untill a script is decided on for MOS we dont know where it is going. If it is reboot singer and routh will be out and a whole new team will be behind it all or if it is a sequel then singer and routh will be back. But who really knows what will happen. I have heard wb wasnt totally satified with singer and with the film not making what they wanted it to have(yes it did well but barely broke even i believe on their budget). Also majority of superman fans where disapointed/pissed with the film so they might want to have a clean slate and try it again or there is a chance they will gamble on singer again but could end up being another crapper.

AragornKing1

03-18-2008, 12:29 AM

I hope that WB doesn't take long in finding a story that they like. I mean with all the pitches that they're getting, they're just bound to hear one soon that they like.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 12:44 AM

Yea it would be nice if they do find one they like, i am hoping for reboot one to happen after singer messed supes up with SR. Maybe under a different director and direction for film superman could be good again. But untill they get a script we dont know what is going to happen with it. So at most we probably wouldnt see MOS go into production untill next yr or even 2010. JLA is most likely going to happen at some point this year they already sunk alot of money in the film and if the rewrites are liked everything will be back on track for the film and get underway in the coming months.

biolumen

03-18-2008, 02:54 AM

Biolumen recieved this on Imdbmp february 25th. yes i know it's imdb but read on its just little tidbis, but it seem like it is the real deal...

"She assured me that it will get made, although I think the 2009 date is out of the window".

I took that part about the 2009 date as pure speculation on the part of the note's writer. Barring an extended actors strike, I think JLA will definitely be slotted for a 2009 release. With this talk of WB fielding proposals for a Superman sequel/reboot, it also looks to me like they're gearing for a Supes movie for 2010 release. Then there's Batman 3 in 2011 and, if you project further, JLA 2 in 2012, Supes 3 in 2013, etc, etc. I begin to see a pattern of tentpole superhero movies every year for WB, with possible non-tentpole movies (Green Lantern; Flash) sprinkled in during the offseason.

Of course, such a plan is only as good as how the last tentpole did at the B.O.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 07:32 AM

I think what WB wants is JLA 2009 and MOS 2010. However this all depends on the SAG strike and other factors.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 07:43 AM

Superman Returns started filming in February of 2005 for a June 28th, 2006 release.
Batman Begins started filming in March of 2004 for a June 15th, 2005 release.
X3 started filming in August of 2005 for a May 26th, 2006 release.
X2 started filmin in June of 2002 for a May 2nd, 2003 release.

This is an idea of some of the filming/release timelines some big superhero movies followed.

dnno1

03-18-2008, 09:23 AM

FaT_tONle

03-18-2008, 09:29 AM

X3 was the shortest gap on that list... and we know how that turned out... filming in the fall and shooting for a July release is simply not enough time... they should be filming this ***** now... or at least by June... probably not gonna happen... this movie is going to be a pile of ****... what else can you say?

Maze

03-18-2008, 09:35 AM

That Miller is in no way Brett Ratner. :cwink:

Maze

03-18-2008, 09:55 AM

Mega movie refused rebate
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March 19, 2008

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Sydney looks set to lose George Miller's mega movie Justice League Mortal after it was refused the Federal Government's new film production rebate.

The Oscar-winning director of Happy Feet and the Mad Max films said yesterday that the $US200 million movie had a 90 per cent chance of being shot overseas after being knocked back by the board of the Film Finance Corporation.

"A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking," Miller said.

"If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs."

Justice League Mortal, which is due to star Megan Gale and Teresa Palmer as part of a superhero team, has sparked heated debate in the film industry over its eligibility for the 40 per cent refundable tax offset.

Since Warner Bros suspended filming plans in January, citing uncertainty over the new incentive, opponents have argued that the offset should not be available for big-budget movies not developed by Australian filmmakers from inception.

The director of the equity section of the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance, Simon Whipp, has lobbied against Justice League Mortal's eligibility, describing it as an American story that will be performed in American accents.

"For the public, both in Australia and outside of Australia, it will be seen as an American film," he said. "I have tremendous respect for George and his work, which has been some of the most successful films that we have ever produced. But the studio I think in this instance is seeking to push the limits of the envelope."

Miller said he had "utter creative control" over Justice League and plans to appeal against the decision. "It feels to me like I'm not fighting for this film. I'm fighting for the Australian film industry."

The Australian-born director said the industry needed movie franchises, even if they were not identifiably Australian, to boost production, improve skills and draw talent back from overseas.

"New Zealand built up their franchises through Hercules and Xena into Lord of the Rings," he said. "Now they're doing three Tintin films, two more Hobbit films and Halo. They've got work for 15 years in that country."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 10:09 AM

^Ouch. Thanks Maze. I agree with Simon Whipp's comment that this movie will be seen as an American film. So long Miller and cast?

Showtime

03-18-2008, 10:14 AM

So by the data you have posted, "Justice League" could start filming in September or October, and release in June or July of the following year.

That would be very late to go into filming for such an epic movie on such a huge scale, but of course it is surely not impossible.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 10:18 AM

^Ouch. Thanks Maze. I agree with Simon Whipp's comment that this movie will be seen as an American film. So long Miller and cast?

The reason Miller is appealing the decision has a lot to do with his allegiance to the Australian Film Industry, but he also knows that if the movie goes to Vancouver or another location, that there is a chance he either won't be doing it by choice or by WB's choice. This also could mean that some of the roles might be recast.

If Miller is off the project and there might be a recast, I would be a lot more excited about this project. I really don't think Miller is the right man to give "utter creative control" to for Justice League.

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 10:30 AM

The reason Miller is appealing the decision has a lot to do with his allegiance to the Australian Film Industry, but he also knows that if the movie goes to Vancouver or another location, that there is a chance he either won't be doing it by choice or by WB's choice. This also could mean that some of the roles might be recast.

If Miller is off the project and there might be a recast, I would be a lot more excited about this project. I really don't think Miller is the right man to give "utter creative control" to for Justice League.

Agreed. I actually think Miller is capable of turning out a pretty good movie and I like what I heard about a highly stylized movie but I still don't have the full confidence in him as other posters on here do. What concerns me is the cast. Outside of Gale, I think the cast is really lousy, of course, I'm judging just by appearance. I have no problem with unknowns, but I just don't see it in this current crop. And Cotrona is the deal breaker for me, if he is in fact to play Superman.

Maze

03-18-2008, 10:48 AM

Doubts about this cast is perfectly comprehensible.

personnaly i had mutiple headache trying to find a logic and a solution (highly stilised?hmmm with this shedule they are going to work full time to fix some of them :o)

believe me flawless if that was not for Miller ( a visionnary imo even with his "kiddie" movies) i would have given hope on this movie a long time ago.. and if he leaves i fear the replacement that Warner will find and especially at this point.. I mean they had a David Slade who worked on a project at a moment.. a talented director who has a lot potential ( hard candy was a really good movie imo )but his last effort (30 days) was so so showing that at this moment of his career it is doubful that he can handle such big projects..so they had him..then they got Miller and we know the "story"... and now? now that the project is so tainted if Warner of course want it for summer 2009? i fear that if Miller leave they will pull a Ratner and there this project will be d o a for me ..

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 10:56 AM

Showtime

03-18-2008, 11:04 AM

Agreed. I actually think Miller is capable of turning out a pretty good movie and I like what I heard about a highly stylized movie but I still don't have the full confidence in him as other posters on here do. What concerns me is the cast. Outside of Gale, I think the cast is really lousy, of course, I'm judging just by appearance. I have no problem with unknowns, but I just don't see it in this current crop. And Cotrona is the deal breaker for me, if he is in fact to play Superman.

Doubts about this cast is perfectly comprehensible.

personnaly i had mutiple headache trying to find a logic and a solution (highly stilised?hmmm with this shedule they are going to work full time to fix some of them :o)

believe me flawless if that was not for Miller ( a visionnary imo even with his "kiddie" movies) i would have given hope on this movie a long time ago.. and if he leaves i fear the replacement that Warner will find and especially at this point.. I mean they had a David Slade who worked on a project at a moment.. a talented director who has a lot potential ( hard candy was a really good movie imo )but his last effort (30 days) was so so showing that at this moment of his career it is doubful that he can handle such big projects..so they had him..then they got Miller and we know the "story"... and now? now that the project is so tainted if Warner of course want it for summer 2009? i fear that if Miller leave they will pull a Ratner and there this project will be d o a for me ..

^I understand where you are coming from. Miller could work, especially with this highly stylized approach they are supposedly taking. And I agree, bringing in a replacement could turn out to be worse because he would just be thrown into a project that's already so far into the development process.

I just wonder, with not acquiring this tax break and if WB decides to drop Miller and then the cast he chose, at what point do they say, screw it, it's just not meant to be. Lets try this thing again a few more years down the road.

It's not as if I don't think Miller is a capable director, I just don't know what makes him right for this project. Even if the movie is highly stylized, I don't really think that is where Miller becomes valuable. I guess he is very familiar with CGI and MoCap so that could come in handy.

Sure I enjoyed Happy Feet, but the last live action movie Miller directed was with a talking pig right? I mean Miller is a talented man, there is no doubt about it, but is he right for Justice League? I think it is debatable.

Maze

03-18-2008, 11:04 AM

^I understand where you are coming from. Miller could work, especially with this highly stylized approach they are supposedly taking. And I agree, bringing in a replacement could turn out to be worse because he would just be thrown into a project that's already so far into the development process.

I just wonder, with not acquiring this tax break and if WB decides to drop Miller and then the cast he chose, at what point do they say, screw it, it's just not meant to be. Lets try this thing again a few more years down the road.

Possible yes, hopefully...for the reason that you gave ,if Miller leave, i would prefer it that way. but the word has been often that Warner has invested so much money on it that they will go with it anyway ...

hopefully if he leaves, they will come to their senses..

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 11:06 AM

I think what WB wants is JLA 2009 and MOS 2010. However this all depends on the SAG strike and other factors.
True and for MOS all really counts on which way they decide to go give singer another go and possibly end up with another crapper or go fresh start. As for jla they were well into preproduction and set builts before jan delay shelved everything. So if the script comes in the next few weeks for jla things will probably be back to full steam ahead to start may-july earliest/ or after july the lastest. All really counts on if all the issues are solved staying is oz/moving to canada/tax break/and any recasting of roles(so really hope Wb recasts hammer/cotrona if they were really bats and supes).

Showtime

03-18-2008, 11:09 AM

I'm sure they had sets built and what not, but I doubt they had all the set pieces ready to go. A lot of times they have to build up and then build down and build another set, depending on the room at the studios. This happened with Superman Returns because of the amount of sets.

See above, it seems as though they will not get the tax break.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 11:18 AM

yea we just have to wait and see what happens. It would be nice if miller stays if they do end up moving but who knows right now untill Wb has final word.

bunk

03-18-2008, 11:31 AM

Is that why they changed the title to Justice League Mortal? Just to appease Australian film industry.... Hopefully if the film moves, the title will change again.

Maze

03-18-2008, 11:33 AM

It's not as if I don't think Miller is a capable director, I just don't know what makes him right for this project. Even if the movie is highly stylized, I don't really think that is where Miller becomes valuable. I guess he is very familiar with CGI and MoCap so that could come in handy.

Sure I enjoyed Happy Feet, but the last live action movie Miller directed was with a talking pig right? I mean Miller is a talented man, there is no doubt about it, but is he right for Justice League? I think it is debatable.

For me Miller is a right director because precisely he can create high stylised credible world even inabited by talking pigs :D and make them "human" , even touching and intelligent.. that's a big plus for me when you adress concept that can easily ridiculous as the justice league .. the Xmen imo is a whole different matter .. There with the justice league imo you have to go all the way in the fantasy comic book style.. add to that that the man can do spectacle and action on a epic scale (and on happy feet and babe 2 there was some awesome moment too imo) and for me Showtime apart from Peter Jackson Cameron or a Del Toro there was not a lot choices..(and we will never have them) i think a Mc Thiernan could have done it at a time but i fear he has lost his touch and Hollwyood don't employ him a lot ...maybe a Christophe Gans..Kassovitz (bit still unproven with a really big budget and that kind of movie )There are imo second hand choices imo like Sam Raimi or Francis Laurence but they are in now way as powerful imo...Really when i think about it either some has especially "just" strenght in the visual department ,like a Snyder for example (but maybe that will change with watchmen, or worse a Bay.. or they can tell a story but they lack a little in the action and the spectacle side (Singer) ..

Miller has the experience the talent imo.

now if people have other suggestions ?

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 11:36 AM

There with the justice league imo you have to go all the way in the fantasy comic book style..

I agree with this. That's why I really, really like the idea of a highly stylized movie. Definitely the way to go. :up:

Showtime

03-18-2008, 11:41 AM

For me Miller is a right director because precisely he can create high stylised credible world even inabited by talking pigs :D and make them "human" , even touching and intelligent.. that's a big plus for me when you adress concept that can easily ridiculous as the justice league .. the Xmen imo is a whole different matter .. There with the justice league imo you have to go all the way in the fantasy comic book style.. add to that that the man can do spectacle and action on a epic scale (and on happy feet and babe 2 there was some awesome moment too imo) and for me Showtime apart from Peter Jackson Cameron or a Del Toro there was not a lot choices..(and we will never have them) i think a Mc Thiernan could have done it at a time but i fear he has lost his touch and Hollwyood don't employ him a lot ...maybe a Christophe Gans..Kassovitz (bit still unproven with a really big budget and that kind of movie )There are imo second hand choices imo like Sam Raimi or Francis Laurence but they are in now way as powerful imo...Really when i think about it either some has especially "just" strenght in the visual department ,like a Snyder for example (but maybe that will change with watchmen, or worse a Bay.. or they can tell a story but they lack a little in the action and the spectacle side (Singer) ..

Miller has the experience the talent imo.

now if people have other suggestions ?

I agree with this. That's why I really, really like the idea of a highly stylized movie. Definitely the way to go. :up:

While I like the idea of the film being highly stylized Flawless, I don't understand why Miller would be the best choice for that kind of film. If you are saying there are few choices out there besides Cameron, Jackson, and Del Toro, do you think Miller would even be in the next tier of directors to handle Justice League Maze? I certainly don't.

KELLEL

03-18-2008, 11:42 AM

Same here.

And I really hope that Anton Yelchin is playing Kid Flash/ Wally West, that casting is spot on, IMO. :-)

Maze

03-18-2008, 11:43 AM

I do yes and i see that you don't :woot:

and i respect that :cwink:

Retroman

03-18-2008, 11:46 AM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html
Thanks Maze.

The Alliance guy (Simon Whipp) is right! The crew is Australian but it's an American story with mostly an American cast which makes it an American movie.:o

Wolverine isn't getting (or even pushing for) the 40 % rebate so why should Justice League get it?:confused: I think Miller is really being ridculous about the whole thing. JLA would be a huge boost to the australian film industry yes but that doesn't mean the government should change the rules to ensure the movie shoots there.

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 11:47 AM

While I like the idea of the film being highly stylized Flawless, I don't understand why Miller would be the best choice for that kind of film. If you are saying there are few choices out there besides Cameron, Jackson, and Del Toro, do you think Miller would even be in the next tier of directors to handle Justice League Maze? I certainly don't.

Seems to me they just went with Miller not so much because of his talent, but primarily to get that tax break in Australia. I'm guessing if that break wasn't even in the equation, than WB would have went with someone else. Just speculation on my part though.

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 11:49 AM

Showtime

03-18-2008, 11:56 AM

I do yes and i see that you don't :woot:

and i respect that :cwink:

I would rather have a guy like Gore Verbinski "manning this ship" that is Justice League. This guy has much more experience with a modern franchise and is geared towards fun action with an esemble cast.

That is why I don't support the directors or the actors, I support the characters and what is best for them. :cwink:

Seems to me they just went with Miller not so much because of his talent, but primarily to get that tax break in Australia. I'm guessing if that break wasn't even in the equation, than WB would have went with someone else. Just speculation on my part though.

I think that is a very theory and could very well be true.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 11:58 AM

Well from what i remember the only time anton name appeared in any casting lists was the ssh one saying he was wally and barry was brody. But i was always going on brody was to be wally and it was looking like he was wally from most of the rumors once his name was out there. But who knows for sure what was what. The only ones who were official at the time was common for gl and gale for ww but who knows what the cast will be and all that, really counts on if miller stays director and they stay in Oz but if the new tax break article has any truth it looks like Oz might be out and who knows who will stay if the production moves.

Maze

03-18-2008, 12:00 PM

I would rather have a guy like Gore Verbinski "manning this ship" that is Justice League. This guy has much more experience with a modern franchise and is geared towards fun action with an esemble cast.

I respect that too.

but i would fear the worst. :o:woot: i do not like one bit his two last pirates movies.

those movies don't do a thing for me in the spectacle side .. it's nice too look at and that's it. Boring.

That is why I don't support the directors or the actors, I support the characters and what is best for them. :cwink:

me too show :cwink:

We will just to agree to disagree on Miller :yay:

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 12:04 PM

Yea dam money effects everything in today's world. If the US dollar wasnt so ****ty right now they probably would be filming it here in the states.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 12:07 PM

I respect that too.

but i would fear the worst. :o:woot: i do not like one bit his two last pirates movies.those movies don't do a thing for me in the spectacle side .. it's nice too look at and that's it. Boring.

me too show :cwink: We will just to agree to disagree on Miller :yay:

I didn't think that last two ventures into the POTC world were that great either, but the receipts speak for themselves and WB needs a powerful franchise to launch these characters.

We have hit an impass! :yay:

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 12:10 PM

Yea totally agree with u there show, but untill WB comes out with official word on what is going down we can only speculate more and more on what is happening.

Maze

03-18-2008, 12:13 PM

I didn't think that last two ventures into the POTC world were that great either, but the receipts speak for themselves and WB needs a powerful franchise to launch these characters.

Of course . but it's debatable that Verbinski would bring the crowd. with the jla. I think that one of his assets with pirates was especially Depp and the Sparrow personna.

i think for example that Bay with jl type of material could bring crowds .. but that the movie would a forgettable mess (with some great action scene)

and if we bring Miller after that we have indeed hit an impass :yay::woot:

KELLEL

03-18-2008, 01:45 PM

dude, Wally was only mentioned as being the main Flash ONCE. And that was in a supposed "script summary" that IESB.net got that was later confirmed as false. It said things like WB was casting BIG names like DiCraprio in the film, which, as you and I know, turned out to be FALSE.

Everywhere else, Barry is said to be the Flash in the film. See here: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2007-news/2007-news-movie.php?topic=2007-news-movie/1007

http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/more_exclusive_story_info_about_the_justice_league _of_america_movie/

BOTH links were 100% confirmed as being true.

So it makes sense that Adam Brody was "rumored" to be confirmed as Barry.

And it's also been confirmed that the only thing that the script was in need of was MORE action in the third act, WB wants it "punched up". Supposedly they'll the semi rewrite back within the next two weeks. That means the characters will be the same, only the third act was altered.

I'm just praying that they didn't cast Cotrona as Superman and Hammer as Batman.

But there are OTHER actors in the cast that we're completely unaware of. Maybe some of them are ACTUALLY Superman and Batman and these rumors are BS.

KELLEL

03-18-2008, 01:49 PM

But even tho I hope that Barry is Flash (he's my fave), I don't see why he would be Flash and at the same time they'd use John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan as GL, who was Barry Allen's best friend. Barry and Hal (they were best friends and the same age and etc) makes more sense than Barry and John, IMO. Wally and John makes more sense than Barry and John, IMO.

But I'll be glad if they use Barry. :-)

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 01:53 PM

BenReilly

03-18-2008, 02:07 PM

No i was saying from all the rumors i remember hearing it was looking like brody was to be wally and they were still looking for barry actor. Then that shh list came out saying brody was barry when many where thinking he was to be wally and then saying anton was wally and i believe that was the first casting list saying anton was in the film. But right now we dont know what is going to go down if the film does move from Oz due to the tax break issue and miller is out who knows if any of his cast would end up moving where production goes. So right now no one is for sure and since the delay back in Jan no one was officially under contract any more.

Hollywood Reporter confirmed last January that Anton Yelchin was one of the actors that was cast and contracted to be in the movie, before the studio pulled the plug.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ie7d46e37694ce94107d4dacbcb4a715d

The decision to put the project on hold now frees up the actors who had been cast in the roles of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash. D.J. Cotrona, Adam Brody, Anton Yelchin, Common, Teresa Palmer and Megan Gale had been cast in the movie in November, with their holding deals extended at least once as the studio tackled the script problems.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 02:23 PM

This is already being discussed in another thread, so I am merging it with the "JLA...2009 thread.

jmc

03-18-2008, 02:57 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html

Good, our movie industry comes first, George really needs to stop complaining, the 40% tax rebates are meant for Australian films with Australian content, cast and crew, not an American blockbuster trying it's hardest to look like and Australian film when clearly it isn't. If WB don't like the tax rebates they've already gotten, go elsewhere.

bunk

03-18-2008, 03:04 PM

This is already being discussed in another thread, so I am merging it with the "JLA...2009 thread.

And will you be firing someone? I didn't get the memo. :woot:

KBX

03-18-2008, 03:18 PM

Oh Can-a-da.... so is it Vancouver or Toronto??

So Miller/WB won't get their 40%, and was only offered 15%. Wonder why Canada seems to be more favored by them...

Hypestyle

03-18-2008, 03:18 PM

give them a giant space/sea monster to fight, like the Cloverfield creature.. something to occupy the time of all the heroes, push them to the limits..

KBX

03-18-2008, 03:20 PM

That creature name is Superman!

Showtime

03-18-2008, 03:26 PM

Darkseid, Doomsday, Imperiex...

KBX

03-18-2008, 03:38 PM

http://www.action-figure.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22985

t's official folks....

WB's upcoming Justice League film has been denied the standard rebates by the Australian government and will quickly be on the move. Sources inside WB have been telling me for weeks they were pushing director George Miller to move production to Canada, but one last attempt was made to stay down under. It didn't work.

Now, what does this mean for Miller and his cast? Plenty. In those same conversations, I have been told he was mainly hired so he could deliver the rebates, thus justifying a mega-budget being spent on a virtually no-name cast. With those hopes out the window, it is being said that WB execs may seek a new director and replace most of the rumored cast by mid-April.

With Canada being the top choice and a 90% probability, could WB make one final push to suit up Tom Welling? I certainly hope so....

To read the actual announcement, just hit THIS LINK! (http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-miller-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html)

jmc

03-18-2008, 03:51 PM

Surely there's no way a 2009 release is still feasible if a new director and entire new cast has to be found by mid-April.

KBX

03-18-2008, 03:56 PM

Surely there's no way a 2009 release is still feasible if a new director and entire new cast has to be found by mid-April.

We give the WB a hard time, but their not stupid. They probably already know of who of Millers cast they want back, if they want any back, and started looking(or already found) actors to fill up some of the roles. (Welling anyone:cwink:)

Antonello Blueberry

03-18-2008, 04:33 PM

http://www.action-figure.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22985
This is from EmiJayne's hubby.
They like to shape the word according to their dreams.
Right in this moment they are dreaming a Superman movie starring Tom Welling where he fights Dragonball.

Retroman

03-18-2008, 04:46 PM

Rofl :D

KBX

03-18-2008, 04:48 PM

lol... oh ok... I just got it from slashfilm.com

Showtime

03-18-2008, 04:50 PM

Let the casting rumors fly. Let the Welling rumors fly. Let the director rumors fly.

Showtime

03-18-2008, 04:52 PM

This is from EmiJayne's hubby.They like to shape the word according to their dreams. Right in this moment they are dreaming a Superman movie starring Tom Welling where he fights Dragonball.

Line of the day. :pal:

Jake Cassidy

03-18-2008, 06:13 PM

Let the casting rumors fly. Let the Welling rumors fly. Let the director rumors fly.

They should just get David Slade back.

Jake Cassidy

03-18-2008, 06:14 PM

Surely there's no way a 2009 release is still feasible if a new director and entire new cast has to be found by mid-April.

If they make it a Christmas release instead of summer, it could work.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 06:28 PM

Well it is still possible if miller and crew stays if it moves that summer 09 hapens same with a new director and cast for all we know they could easily find new people fast if they wanted to. But untill official word comes down from WB or miller we dont know what will truely go down.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 06:30 PM

Can't help but think if this film moves forward for next summer, Supes and Bat really are written out (that would explain the "6-week polish"). That or WB finally just throws their hands in the air and pulls the plug...for good.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 06:43 PM

That was never confirmed bats and supes were out. it would be a stupid on many reasons not to have them in the film they would be the big selling points to the general audience and to comic fans.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 06:48 PM

As it would equally stupid to hire other actors as Superman and Batman for JLA and still continue with the already-established (and still-going) solo film series with Routh and Bale.

No it hasn't been confirmed. But...I don't know, buddy. None of this crap about JLA makes sense at this point. Oh well, we still have The Dark Knight and Man of Steel. Not to mention...this will be a great book one day!

Brainiac58

03-18-2008, 07:10 PM

This is from EmiJayne's hubby.
They like to shape the word according to their dreams.
Right in this moment they are dreaming a Superman movie starring Tom Welling where he fights Dragonball.

lol. Ya, their blog has taken kind of a strange turn over time.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 07:14 PM

I have a bias against people who report BS (i.e. EmiJayne). To be fair, it's always a good laugh to read.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 07:14 PM

Well we dont even know if solo supes series will continue with routh. Nothing is confirmed for MOS and as i mentioned the other day to someone here on jla broads wb is looking at pitchs for both sequel and to reboot supes so untill a script is decdied on who knows for superman solo films. As for batman they could easily have the two properties going on if they can have different versions around at same time for toons why cant their be different live action versions.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Singer's said TMOS is happening and now moving forward. I'm going to take his word for it. If WB was seriously going to nuke Singer and re-boot the franchise from scratch, they would have done so quiet awhile ago.

That said, do I think they still took re-boot pitches? Sure, studios take pitches all the time for projects. Said ideas could very well be used down the time. Honestly though, who the Hell knows my friend?

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 07:28 PM

Well MOS isnt on the fast track right now, its on the back burner they want JLA first then will look into MOS. Untill official word on either come out we dont know what is going on for sure.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 07:31 PM

WB has said they're making both JLA and TMOS. They're not going to wait long enough to see how JL does to decide on another Superman film.

JLA - Summer 2009
TMOS - Summer 2010

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 07:38 PM

well we will know for sure hopefully soon what their plans on. But since SR under preformed and majority of fans/general audience didnt like it who knows if WB would want to gamble on singer again. But we can only speculate untill we know for sure.

FilmNerdJamie

03-18-2008, 07:44 PM

Again, if they weren't going forward with Singer, they'd have already resolved the issue(s) of the contract he signed back in October '06 to produce/direct the Superman Returns sequel. And now he's come out and said, "Yes it's getting made, and we're working on it now!"

I gotta go for real. It was nice having a (surprisingly) civil debate/conversation with a fellow nerd/geek. Have a good evening!

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 07:49 PM

well who really knows what is happening with him, yes he probably does want to do a sequel but its up to wb. Yes he does have a Contract for a sequel but if they decide to do a reboot script his contract is void and all they would have to do is pay him off since he had a play or pay deal i believe. So right now nothing is 100% sure on what will go down.

FaT_tONle

03-18-2008, 08:16 PM

Hopefully the Australian rejection will be the thing that saves this film from happenning... or at least possibly gives WB a chance to make improvements.... or maybe even make the film worse than it already stands... all I can say is... any delay is good news for me... way to go Austrailian government... "shrimp on the barbie" on the house...

Maze

03-18-2008, 08:30 PM

Miller talk a bit more about the refusal :

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Tax rebate to force Aust movie overseas: director
Posted 55 minutes ago

Oscar-winning director George Miller says his $200 million movie Justice League Mortal will probably have to be shot overseas, because it is unlikely to be eligible for a Federal Government tax rebate.

Miller says a final decision is yet to be made, but insists his film qualifies for all the criteria set out by the Film Finance Corporation for the 40 per cent production offset.

Critics claim the movie is an American story with American accents and should not be eligible, but Miller says the Australian film industry needs these big films and he plans to appeal against any decision to refuse the offset.

"Babe wasn't an Australian story, Happy Feet is not an Australian story, Moulin Rouge is not an Australian story," he said.

"That kind of thinking dooms us to make very, very small films that not even Australians want to see.

"You need the gravitational pull of these big blockbusters to sustain production to build the talent pool."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/19/2193860.htm?section=justin

protocida

03-18-2008, 08:32 PM

Since when ''Justice League'' is a australian story?

Showtime

03-18-2008, 09:15 PM

....

Jake Cassidy

03-18-2008, 09:32 PM

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 09:32 PM

nice update maze.

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 09:38 PM

Let the casting rumors fly. Let the Welling rumors fly. Let the director rumors fly.
sighs... Looks like here we go again eh.:yay:

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 09:39 PM

yea lol.

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 09:43 PM

well, I always look for the silver lining. Maybe now we can/will get a cast worthy of the names they'll carry.

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 09:55 PM

well, I always look for the silver lining. Maybe now we can/will get a cast worthy of the names they'll carry.

Like I've said before, I don't need or want "names". In fact, I prefer unknowns for this film. But outside of Gale and Common, the cast just didn't look right to me. Cotrona being the worst of the bunch.

jmc

03-18-2008, 09:59 PM

The Major

03-18-2008, 10:02 PM

well, I always look for the silver lining. Maybe now we can/will get a cast worthy of the names they'll carry.

That depends on whether they're recasting roles.

It looks like they're keeping Common, Gale and Brody. Maybe Byrne,too since he's connected to Miller.

The rest its almost impossible to tell if they're keeping or dropping. WB's not telling the press specifics on that front.

Still very difficult to tell if anything has changed with the cast since WB has been very quiet about it from the start.

We won't know for sure unless WB confirms the entire cast for the public which won't be happening any time soon.

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 10:06 PM

If miller leaves, and if a new director comes on board, I would think that everything is thrown out the window, including the rumored cast...
TOO many if's right now to make a judgement call though.

The Major

03-18-2008, 10:10 PM

If miller leaves, and if a new director comes on board, I would think that everything is thrown out the window, including the rumored cast...
TOO many if's right now to make a judgement call though.

I'm only basing the information with Miller staying.

Him leaving would scuttle that.

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 10:12 PM

Like I've said before, I don't need or want "names". In fact, I prefer unknowns for this film. But outside of Gale and Common, the cast just didn't look right to me. Cotrona being the worst of the bunch.
I should have been more clearer, my bad. What I meant by ''being worthy of the names they carry'' was about them being worthy to portray the characters.
I'm more concerned about the characters they'll portray, and I want the best casting possible, wheather it be known or unknowns cast. I want good actors, but I also want them to look the part :)

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 10:15 PM

I'm only basing the information with Miller staying.

Him leaving would scuttle that.
I know i'm getting tired of getting used to certain news items, then being let down yet again.:)

The Major

03-18-2008, 10:18 PM

I know i'm getting tired of getting used to certain news items, then being let down yet again.:)
I understand.

GreenKToo

03-18-2008, 10:24 PM

I understand.
But then again, all the waiting and guessing is half the fun.
Still, some real positive news would be welcome.

The Major

03-18-2008, 10:31 PM

But then again, all the waiting and guessing is half the fun.
Still, some real positive news would be welcome.

All I'm doing is thinking in the short term. For now Miller is in and has Common, Gale, Brody and Byrne.

Unless something big happens that's not going to change.

In the long term anything can happen.

FlawlessVictory

03-18-2008, 10:34 PM

I should have been more clearer, my bad. What I meant by ''being worthy of the names they carry'' was about them being worthy to portray the characters.
I'm more concerned about the characters they'll portray, and I want the best casting possible, wheather it be known or unknowns cast. I want good actors, but I also want them to look the part :)

Understood and agreed. :up:

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 10:41 PM

The Major

03-18-2008, 11:12 PM

Yea untill we know for sure if they are staying in oz with miller or if they are moving to canada and a new director in we wont know for sure what is going to happen with the film. So untill Wb comes out officially and states miller out and film is going to canada we wont know if any of the rumored cast will be back. And like others said if miller is out at most we will probably see common and brody stay and maybe gale but the rest of the cast will likely be replaced. And hopefully if there is recasting better looking and more decent acting actors come in for said roles.

Definitely agree WB would keep Brody and Common if Miller left.

What do the suits think of Gale? From what I've heard in the media it's Miller whose her biggest supporter. Miller leaving would seriously effect her involvement if the suits only keep her around to keep him happy.

If they can't shoot in Australia I bet Palmer would be replaced, too.

Webhead2006

03-18-2008, 11:22 PM

yea most like gale, palmer, and that bryne guy would most likely be out if miller is. I do think common and brody would and can easily move with the production if it goes to canada and under new helm. But also someone said a few posts above to many "ifs" right now and untill WB comes out on what they plan to do we wont know for sure.

FaT_tONle

03-18-2008, 11:33 PM

You forgot to add a 'crikey, look at this little beauty mate'. And on behalf of my government, your welcome.

I can actually pull off a pretty sick Australian accent... then again who can't? It's easier than English... was thinking about visiting one of these years... at least I know their government knows what the hell they are doing for issues I care about... hopefully I'll be checking that continent out one of these years.

biolumen

03-19-2008, 12:22 AM

Didn't dnno1 crunch the numbers and find that there's no appreciable savings in a move to Canada? There must be other motivations for such a move. Anyway, it doesn't appear that Warners has made a decision yet. I don't think they have to until April.

In Miller's statements, he said that there's a 90% chance of it going overseas. Who can tell if this is a realistic estimate or just more heated talk in a last ditch effort to sway some votes. Warners could still just decide to stay put, or may have even secretly decided to do so already. Maybe it's all a bluff, a bluff that has just been called.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 12:27 AM

Yea we dont really know what is going on behind the scenes with the WB yes moving to canada they probably still wont have a higher then normal tax break but they probably want to dump miller because they were not likeing the direction he was going and they wanted to change things and with whole delay then tax problems they could easily give the excuse to dump him. But we wont know one thing or another untill april it is looking from Wb.

biolumen

03-19-2008, 12:54 AM

If true, then I'm not entirely confident that the direction Warners' suits want to take this movie is in our best interests. I'm going to have to side with Maze here. A few casting decisions aside, Miller's ousting would be a missed opportunity for something unique. Maybe Warners wants something 'safer', something more along the lines of what a Ratner would deliver.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 01:07 AM

I can actually pull off a pretty sick Australian accent... then again who can't? It's easier than English... was thinking about visiting one of these years... at least I know their government knows what the hell they are doing for issues I care about... hopefully I'll be checking that continent out one of these years.

I doubt it, but it'd be impressive if you can. Professional American actors can't even get our accent right. It's not that easy.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 01:14 AM

Well who knows what wb really wants we dont know what is going on behind the scenes all we can do is spectulate on things and wish for things to happen. But untill its official from Wb we just have to keep playing the waiting game.

jmc

03-19-2008, 01:17 AM

Definitely agree WB would keep Brody and Common if Miller left.

What do the suits think of Gale? From what I've heard in the media it's Miller whose her biggest supporter. Miller leaving would seriously effect her involvement if the suits only keep her around to keep him happy.

If they can't shoot in Australia I bet Palmer would be replaced, too.

Whether the suits are confident in her is the question, Miller might think she's awesome, but a new director may think the exact opposite, maybe she was only involved to fill a quota of Aussie actors needed to attempt to get tax breaks to begin with, same with Palmer. If Miller goes and the project moves elsewhere I'm betting there will be no Australian's involved.

KBX

03-19-2008, 02:44 AM

So does this mean its pretty much safe to say that he won't be in this movie...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ifff588c2bae9eaff4982de057e9344ff

biolumen

03-19-2008, 02:57 AM

And what about this guy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN1923954120080319

Antonello Blueberry

03-19-2008, 06:31 AM

And what about this guy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN1923954120080319
They start shooting "Jennifer's body" these days. He should be done with that by June.

Super_Ludacris

03-19-2008, 07:22 AM

I want to check that Jennifer's Body flick out lol

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 09:28 AM

If miller leaves and a new director comes on board, then I would think he'd at least look at the cast that millers formed, but I would be surprised if he used most of them.
Most directors do want to cast their own films.
But I really think it depends on who they get to replace him ( if miller is indeed leaving). If its a bigtime director, then everything is on the table IMHO, a lesser known one, then maybe alot of the cast stays if W.B. likes them. who knows.

WhatWldJokerDo?

03-19-2008, 09:32 AM

Now Australia doesn't want to touch this crap. You can't polish a turd WB and George Miller!!!! Die JLA!!!

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 09:35 AM

Nothing to do with it being "crap", its business.

WhatWldJokerDo?

03-19-2008, 09:47 AM

FlawlessVictory

03-19-2008, 10:03 AM

Everyone knows Justice League is an American film, Australia is right on this one. Superman, Batman, Flash, etc.. are American characters. These characters will have American accents. And Miller is out of line with this quote: "A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking,".

Miller is sounding so desperate now, he's looking kind of sad. With the way he sounds, maybe it's true, if this project leaves Australia, he's off of it as well. I just wonder what will it take for WB to possibly consider that right now may not be the best time for JL. Writers strike, inability to acquire tax break and plus the actors strike is coming up. How many more signs must there be? LOL

WhatWldJokerDo?

03-19-2008, 10:12 AM

matrix_ghost

03-19-2008, 10:15 AM

Thanks Maze.

The Alliance guy (Simon Whipp) is right! The crew is Australian but it's an American story with mostly an American cast which makes it an American movie.:o

Wolverine isn't getting (or even pushing for) the 40 % rebate so why should Justice League get it?:confused: I think Miller is really being ridculous about the whole thing. JLA would be a huge boost to the australian film industry yes but that doesn't mean the government should change the rules to ensure the movie shoots there.

Yeah but JLA is a far more bigger movie then Wolverine. Yes i think every movie would want some tax rebate but i think the higher budget your is , the higher the "need" for such a rebate.
I know Wolverine is highly anticipated but would the budget be as high as JLA. :huh:
We are talking about a 200 million dollar movie here .

Sucks that Australia won't get it but Canada seems to be working out fine. Why doesn't WB just move the whole production o GErmany. Things seems to be working out very fine for the wachowskis. Their last three movies have been/are going to be made at Babelsberg. V for Vendetta , Speed Racer and Ninja Assasin

Antonello Blueberry

03-19-2008, 10:20 AM

Sucks that Australia won't get it but Canada seems to be working out fine. Why doesn't WB just move the whole production o GErmany. Things seems to be working out very fine for the wachowskis. Their last three movies have been/are going to be made at Babelsberg. V for Vendetta , Speed Racer and Ninja Assasin

Germany poses the same problems of Australia. And they have a roof for the tax rebate, so it's worth for movies under 100 million.
We have to remember though that "Superman returns" was made in Australia with the normal location tax rebate (15%) and that a lot of money were already spent down under for set design and construction for Justice League.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 10:21 AM

sure...keep telling yourself that. Like I said, you can't polish a turd and I think Australia recognized that. The director and two of the actors are from Australia. Why would they say no?? I'm probably misquoting here but didn't the release say "it was an american film". I know its Justice League of America but they protect the entire world. Why is everyone so sensitive nowadays. Grow up.
Its over a tax break, not the quality of the film or lack of. Do you really think the Aust. gov. would turn down millions of dollars in investment because of the quality of it??
I seriously doubt they care.
J.L. may indeed be crap but I, nor anyone else knows for sure about that.
Me grow up? been there done that.:word:

BobJM

03-19-2008, 10:29 AM

Can someone tell me why the article refers to it as Justice League Mortal?

Is that the international title or something?

matrix_ghost

03-19-2008, 10:30 AM

Germany poses the same problems of Australia. And they have a roof for the tax rebate, so it's worth for movies under 100 million.
We have to remember though that "Superman returns" was made in Australia with the normal location tax rebate (15%) and that a lot of money were already spent down under for set design and construction for Justice League.

Aah , so the tax rebate in Germany is also around 15 %.

And it's good that you brought up Superman returns because it was also filmed in Australia. We all know Superman Returns underperformed and that studios are always trying to make back their investment. Could be tht WB is very cautious about these big budget projects and are trying to do as much as they can to reduce the impact if JLA were to perform as SR..financially

protocida

03-19-2008, 10:39 AM

I Would't be very sad if Miller quits.

Lots os problems we're caused by his will to get young actors and shot in Australia. Sounds like he only wanted to do ''Justice League'' to get ''Happy Feet 2'' made.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 10:42 AM

If miller is indeed leaving, then no way can I see this coming out next year. Unless they pull a Ratner on it like with X-3 ( God Forbid).
Maybe a delay would be a good thing. Hopefully it would give us a better cast than this rumored one.

protocida

03-19-2008, 10:43 AM

Obviously, with a replacement, we'll have the get in 2010 or more.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 10:50 AM

Obviously, with a replacement, we'll have the get in 2010 or more.
If, and thats a mighty big IF, all this turns out true, then we may start hearing alot more about M.O.S. gearing up. They'll possibly need that for 09' if J.L. gets delayed.

protocida

03-19-2008, 10:54 AM

For me, MOS get's only in 2011.

FlawlessVictory

03-19-2008, 10:57 AM

If MOS happens, that would most likely be 2010. Batman 3 would be in 2011. So JL might be in a bit of a pickle with its release date.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 10:57 AM

For me, MOS get's only in 2011.
you may be right. It looks like W.B. is in no hurry for either film.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 11:02 AM

If MOS happens, that would most likely be 2010. Batman 3 would be in 2011. So JL might be in a bit of a pickle with its release date.
I only said 09' for M.O.S. because*IF* J.L. gets a new director, cast, and it gets delayed, they'll need it.
The very earliest I could see M.O.S. happening, and thats if W.B. really gets cracking on it, would be nov/dec 09', but even that's pushing it though.
I agree with you about J.L. another delay for it now would be trouble for it IMHO.

Maze

03-19-2008, 11:02 AM

I agree with Antonello.. i seriously doubt that Warner have let people (even small group) work on set and so on untill recently to throw away most of the work and move to Canada to rebuild everything .(and i believe even less that they would do it with another director.). too much time , too much money wasted.. Miller could be bluffing..

protocida

03-19-2008, 11:33 AM

We'll see.

WhatWldJokerDo?

03-19-2008, 11:33 AM

Me grow up? been there done that.:word:

I wasn't meaning you man. I feel ya there already...at least my damn knees do. I feel like i'm falling apart. :woot:

protocida

03-19-2008, 11:35 AM

Don't hit the floor with your head. Hurts.;

protocida

03-19-2008, 11:35 AM

Don't hit the floor with your head. Hurts.;

Maze

03-19-2008, 11:38 AM

We'll see.

Indeed:" wait and see" that's the philosophy on that project :sleepy::woot::cwink:

Maze

03-19-2008, 01:27 PM

Some more details via Variety :

George Miller fights for 'Justice'
Director wants new rebate for Warner film
By VARIETY STAFFSYDNEY — Helmer George Miller has mounted a public campaign to pressure the Oz government and its screen finance mandarins to change their minds and let him tap the new rebate for "Justice League Mortal," which would give his production company a 40% refund on qualifying below-the-line costs.
The director of "Happy Feet" is threatening to lense the WB-backed superhero blockbuster in New Zealand or Canada if the Film Finance Corporation Australia, which issues provisional certificates, does not award one to the project.

Mid-January WB put "Justice League" into turnaround and let thesp options lapse because the script was not ready and negotiations with the FFC were not finalized.

A provisional certificate would guarantee a project eligibility for the rebate so long as it then adhered to its production plan.

In radio and newspaper interviews Wednesday, Miller said, "We don't know officially that we've been knocked back but it’s not looking good. It's taken too long to make a decision and the film's going overseas now, which is incredibly wasteful for the Australian film industry."

The Oz industry is split about whether the rebate should fund all films made by Aussie filmmakers in Oz, or only those that tell Australian stories and genuinely originated there.

"Justice League" was developed by WB and originally titled "Justice League: America."

The legislation is currently being interpreted in favor of the "Aussie story" model but the FFC could not confirm this because it has a policy of not discussing individual projects.

"That shows how rigid the thinking is here in Australia; that's working to a paradigm that's 30 years old and brought down the Australian film industry," Miller said.

He says the rebate is being interpreted subjectively. "That thinking dooms us to making small films that not even Australians want to see."

"I'm dancing as fast as I can with the studio to have them hang on here. We're going to appeal it because it's not just ‘Justice League,’ we have other films with Australian directors."

Miller wants to lense the pic in Sydney at his new joint venture facility with Omnilab.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982652.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 01:36 PM

oh boy.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 01:42 PM

nice update. So really its looking highly unlikely Oz will give in and give miller/wb the 40% rebate break. So its is probably going to go to canada like many think and if that does go down miller is likely to drop out and hopefully under a new director/direction we get something better and better castings(more mature).

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 01:49 PM

why doesn't miller want to shoot in canada?

Prefix

03-19-2008, 01:50 PM

why doesn't miller want to shoot in canada?

Mounties.

MechaOrga

03-19-2008, 02:00 PM

Mounties.

:pal::pal::pal:

FlawlessVictory

03-19-2008, 02:14 PM

why doesn't miller want to shoot in canada?

Here's what I think:

Canada is not the question, it centers more on the fact that he has to leave Australia. I'm sure as an Australian himself he is genuinely concerned about the film industry and thinks shooting JL would do wonders there.

But also a factor, WB could have hired Miller with the big reason being that he can get the 40% break for that film. That may have been one of Miller's biggest assets to WB for this film. Not acquiring this break can now make Miller expendable and he may realize that now.

So, it's not really a fear of Canada, more like a fear of leaving Australia.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 02:57 PM

Here's what I think:

Canada is not the question, it centers more on the fact that he has to leave Australia. I'm sure as an Australian himself he is genuinely concerned about the film industry and thinks shooting JL would do wonders there.

But also a factor, WB could have hired Miller with the big reason being that he can get the 40% break for that film. That may have been one of Miller's biggest assets to WB for this film. Not acquiring this break can now make Miller expendable and he may realize that now.

So, it's not really a fear of Canada, more like a fear of leaving Australia.

oh ok...makes sense... kinda reminds me of McG and not wanting to shoot in australia. he wanted to shoot the movie in NY, claiming it was an american movie that should be shot in america. but apparently the real reason was because he had a fly of flying.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 03:19 PM

Showtime

03-19-2008, 03:27 PM

Now Australia doesn't want to touch this crap. You can't polish a turd WB and George Miller!!!! Die JLA!!!

sure...keep telling yourself that. Like I said, you can't polish a turd and I think Australia recognized that. The director and two of the actors are from Australia. Why would they say no?? I'm probably misquoting here but didn't the release say "it was an american film". I know its Justice League of America but they protect the entire world. Why is everyone so sensitive nowadays. Grow up.

Obviously having the director and two of the actors being on the project doesn't qualify as enough under the new agreement...:whatever:

Antonello Blueberry

03-19-2008, 03:30 PM

Throwing away or moving sets isn't really a big issue with WB, especially their superhero properties.
How many times did they do it?
Tim Burton's Superman Lives, McG's Superman (they hadn't built sets and some of the preparation work, like the plane sequence was used for SR) and for Superman vs Batman they had barely started casting.

KBX

03-19-2008, 03:46 PM

How much rebate will they get if they shoot in Canada or New Zealand?

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 03:58 PM

How many times did they do it?
Tim Burton's Superman Lives, McG's Superman (they hadn't built sets and some of the preparation work, like the plane sequence was used for SR) and for Superman vs Batman they had barely started casting.

burton's poster even reached theaters.

Antonello Blueberry

03-19-2008, 04:00 PM

How much rebate will they get if they shoot in Canada or New Zealand?
New Zealand - 15% like Australia
Canada - it's a bit more complex.
According to this site
http://www.slate.com/id/2136064/
"the Canadian Federal Government provides foreign producers with a subsidy called the Film Production Services Tax Credit, which now equals 16 percent of the Canadian labor costs. (It was recently raised from 11 percent to offset a rise in the Canadian loonie against the American greenback.) Also, British Columbia offers an additional 18 percent rebate on labor from that province. Finally, there is a 20 percent break on digital effects, if they are done in Canada. In order to qualify for this tax credit, either the director or the screenwriter and one of the two highest paid actors must be Canadian"

Dark Knight

03-19-2008, 04:13 PM

Some more details via Variety :

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982652.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

What else is new with this project fellas?.....More freakin production problems.

Sheesh....this film should not be made at this time.....the signs continue to point in that direction.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 04:18 PM

What else is new with this project.....more freakin production problems.

Sheesh....this film shoudd not be made at this time.....the signs continue to point in that direction.

:twisted:bad omen...yeah i feel it too.

jmc

03-19-2008, 04:30 PM

Some more details via Variety :

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982652.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

Miller's public campaign will amount to nothing, it's not an Australian film, pure and simple, it was not conceived of by Australians, it's not about Australians, it will never been seen as Australian, this is a Hollywood film trying is best to masquerade as one by having it filmed in Australian, that's it. I'm sure it's the only reason Miller is involved in the first place, is to make it look like it's an Australia film. The tax rebate were meant for Australian films, Australian story's, complain all you want George, this film isn't an Aussie one, if you want to do something for the Oz film industry, how bout cranking out a few actual local films.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 04:31 PM

Yes it does look like bad omens but really we dont know what is going down behind the scenes with WB for all we know they have been working on plans as backups as people have said since the delay back in jan so for all we know there could be good things going down behind the scenes. But untill WB says anything all we the fans can do is spectulate on what is happening.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 04:39 PM

zerohour films

03-19-2008, 04:48 PM

Some more details via Variety :

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982652.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

"I'm dancing as fast as I can with the studio to have them hang on here. We're going to appeal it because it's not just ‘Justice League,’ we have other films with Australian directors."

Interesting. I guess Miller is feeling the pressure from WB regarding this film. They must want to move to plan B asap.

Superman-Prime

03-19-2008, 04:49 PM

Just read the news on SHH! homepage.

Justice League Mortal? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a retard titles ever I've seen in my entire life!

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 04:50 PM

Yea thats just the problem with the film we dont know what the hell is going down behind the scenes. For all we know as i said since the official delay in jan due to the script and tax issues they probably been wanting to cut their loses and move it out to canada or somewhere else where they could atless do a little bit better then the 15% break. But with this project there is some many secrets and everything is hush hush. So we just have to wait and see where it all goes.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 04:52 PM

Miller's public campaign will amount to nothing, it's not an Australian film, pure and simple, it was not conceived of by Australians, it's not about Australians, it will never been seen as Australian, this is a Hollywood film trying is best to masquerade as one by having it filmed in Australian, that's it. I'm sure it's the only reason Miller is involved in the first place, is to make it look like it's an Australia film. The tax rebate were meant for Australian films, Australian story's, complain all you want George, this film isn't an Aussie one, if you want to do something for the Oz film industry, how bout cranking out a few actual local films.

I wonder if this Australia mess will result in Miller getting off the project.

The Guard

03-19-2008, 05:11 PM

Hmm.

Seems to me that Australia and the Australian film industry is missing out on a huge opportunity. I don't see anyone saying this is an "Australian movie", just asking to film it in Australia.

protocida

03-19-2008, 05:12 PM

For me, the things are going to move foward from here.

Miller will probably get out. I Adore him, but sounds like he was only making ''JLA'' to get ''Happy Feet 2'' and ''Max Max 4'' after. For me, with the production going to Canada, Miller will not continua as director.

Warner, as alredy said, will stark looking for a director and a cast in Abril. Hopefully, they will find good actors. Who knows? Even Routh and Bale can get back, if they really hire a new director. The revisioned screenplay must be ready by now.

With a shooting starting in mid-year, they would have all 2009 to make the movie and lauch, or in the very end of 2009 (Christimas) or in 2010 (Most Likelly). I Don't know, but i think things will move foward now on.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 05:16 PM

protocida

03-19-2008, 05:19 PM

Agreed.

GreenKToo

03-19-2008, 05:20 PM

I wonder if this Australia mess will result in Miller getting off the project.
Its hard to say, but if I had to guess right now, then I say he will leave if it falls apart down under.
we'll just have to wait and see.:oldrazz: heh.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 05:34 PM

mortal is a stupid title...maybe it's for the best this isn't working out.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 05:42 PM

Just read the news on SHH! homepage.

Justice League Mortal? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a retard titles ever I've seen in my entire life!

:whatever: Thank you. Are you here to troll? Just checking.

Warner, as alredy said, will stark looking for a director and a cast in Abril. Hopefully, they will find good actors. Who knows? Even Routh and Bale can get back, if they really hire a new director. The revisioned screenplay must be ready by now.

Bale is extremely unlikely casting. He's on Terminator after all. Oh, and he also seems to not really want to be a part of JL. He doesn't hate it's existence, as far as I can tell (contrary to what "Balians" would have you believe, I guess) but he's just not interested apparently. Routh, well...I'm sure he'd love to do it, but...

Its hard to say, but if I had to guess right now, then I say he will leave if it falls apart down under.
we'll just have to wait and see.:oldrazz: heh.

LOL, yeah....I wonder what the original director, David Slade, had in mind for this movie. :wow:

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 05:46 PM

ok guys. And the whole title thing who knows what it will end up being officially. Titles can change all the time. It will most likely just be justice league around the world and here in the states it will likely be titles jla. We dont know at time time with the unsurity of the film at this time. As for miller out and if they have to recast most or all of the roles it is still possible it could all go down fairly quickly and they could still end up filming by late summer/early fall and for all we know it could still come out late summer 09. We wont know to the film actually starts filming and how long it will take them to do the production. Most of the time with films it is pre production and post production that takes up the most time and all that. Also if the film moves and miller is out who knows all the preproduction notes could change hands and sets if still liked could easily be shiped to a new location. But it is all up to WB and what they plan on doing with it now.

The Guard

03-19-2008, 05:46 PM

I think that a lot of you just wish Miller will be off the project and aren't thinking this through logically. I don't see Miller walking away from this project or this paycheck. Nor do I see WB jettisoning him at this point just because of a tax issue. The tax issue was going to exist, with or without Miller's involvement in the project. Either WB thought he could handle a potentially massive franchise, or they didn't. And since he was named director, it seems they did.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 05:50 PM

Circumstances change, directors change, titles change. None of this is really a big deal either way. Sometimes a working title sticks and sometimes it doesn't.

"We'll have to wait and see."

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 05:54 PM

Just call it "7 Friends" and be done with it.

jmc

03-19-2008, 05:55 PM

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 06:04 PM

.....Or "Se7en Friends", directed by David Fincher.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 06:15 PM

or seven superfriends.

The Guard

03-19-2008, 06:20 PM

Or he was chosen in order to try and get 40% off the films budget.

Believe what you want.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 06:24 PM

Yea in the entertainment biz like show said things can easily change in a blink of an eye. Right now its all up to WB on what they want to do, dump miller and move to canada or gamble keeping miller and staying in Oz and all that.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 06:27 PM

Believe what you want.

Well the studio did decide to go with Miller after the budget went past $160 million, according to David Slade. So that means that they either wanted a more experienced director handling the franchise, or maybe they wanted to get an Aussie discount. Or both. I'm going with "both".

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 06:34 PM

I'd love to hear what Slade had in mind for this movie. Who he wanted to cast, etc. It's be interesting.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 06:44 PM

I'm kinda surprised that they would hire him at first, it's certainly an unconventional choice for JLA.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 06:46 PM

I'm kinda surprised that they would hire him at first, it's certainly an unconventional choice for JLA.

They're the ones that work best. Singer/X-Men, Raimi/Spider-Man, Nolan/Batman.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 07:00 PM

They're the ones that work best. Singer/X-Men, Raimi/Spider-Man, Nolan/Batman.

True. But wait, didn't you hate the Spidey films?

Superman-Prime

03-19-2008, 07:00 PM

:whatever: Thank you. Are you here to troll? Just checking.

Me? Oh no. It's just that I REALLY don't like the titles. Why Mortal? That doesn't make any sense, which is really stupid, to be honest.

Either Justice League of America or Super Friends sound better.

I Am The Knight

03-19-2008, 07:03 PM

Me? Oh no. It's just that I REALLY don't like the titles. Why Mortal? That doesn't make any sense, which is really stupid, to be honest.

Either Justice League of America or Super Friends sound better.

Yes it is stupid. I think we can all agree on that.

I hope you are being sarcastic with "Super Friends" though...Hahaha.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 07:05 PM

Yes it is stupid. I think we can all agree on that.

I hope you are being sarcastic with "Super Friends" though...Hahaha.

If you think about it, "Batman Begins" is a stupid title too.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 07:06 PM

The codename should have been "Superfriends"

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 07:08 PM

The codename should have been "Superfriends"

or "The Man of Steel". That'd freak a lot of people out. :oldrazz: :woot:

People'd be thinking "Yes! Another Superman movie!", and BANG, "JUSTICE LEAGUE". Imagine all the whining then.

Superman-Prime

03-19-2008, 07:10 PM

Yes it is stupid. I think we can all agree on that.

That's cool. ^__^

I hope you are being sarcastic with "Super Friends" though...Hahaha.

<_<

>_>

If you think about it, "Batman Begins" is a stupid title too.

Whaaaat?? :wow:

I think it works pretty well since it is the beginning of Batman.

The codename should have been "Superfriends"

I concur!

Nightwing1977

03-19-2008, 07:10 PM

What else is new with this project fellas?.....More freakin production problems.

Sheesh....this film should not be made at this time.....the signs continue to point in that direction.

Yep. If the problem thing continue to happend, we could get MoS next after TDK then. I just have a feeling JLA isn't going to get better if recent news we heard continue to happend later.

The Guard

03-19-2008, 07:16 PM

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 07:18 PM

[quote=Superman-Prime;14349025

Whaaaat?? :wow:

I think it works pretty well since it is the beginning of Batman. [/quote]

When it was originally announced as the title, it got a lot of criticism, if I remember correctly. It works now because we're all used to it.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 07:19 PM

If you think about it, "Batman Begins" is a stupid title too.

i actually hated that title also, but since the movie is totally kick-ass, i'm more forgiving.

batman: genesis, Batman: Begininings, batman: chronicles, birth of batman, the batman, batman: revenge, batman: initiation, batman: intimidation (or intimidation game), batman: origins, batman: year one, batman: alpha, rise of batman (or batman rising), dawn of batman.

or best...the dark knight for the first film, dark knight returns for the second one, dark knight strikes again for the last one.

with that said, i still loved the movie, with title and all.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 07:21 PM

i actually hated that title also, but since the movie is totally kick-ass, i'm more forgiving.

batman: genesis, Batman: Begininings, batman: chronicles

or best...dark knight for the first film, dark knight returns for the second one, dark knight strikes again for the last one.

I always liked 'Batman: Genesis'. That could work for Superman too. 'Superman: Genesis' sounds cool, imo.

Prefix

03-19-2008, 07:25 PM

Genesis is pretty much the cliche title for an origin.

The Major

03-19-2008, 07:27 PM

And "Seven Friends" makes perfect sense for the codename if they're trying to keep the production under wraps.

Only it failed to do that.

Think about it, who in their right mind would equate "Seven Friends" with "The Justice League"?

It isn't that difficult to connect "Justice League" to "Seven Friends". Perhaps they were trying to be to obvious with it to hide it in plain sight.

A good codename should have no link to the actual production.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 07:41 PM

Genesis is pretty much the cliche title for an origin.

i'd prefer cliche over lame. batman begins. ok captain obvious. and begins is really used for events, not a person. so reign of batman begins would make more sense.

Prefix

03-19-2008, 07:43 PM

Batman Prepares

protocida

03-19-2008, 07:48 PM

For me ''Justice League: Mortal'' refers to the fact that they are gods, icons. So, everyone thinks they're untouchable, invenceble.

But here they are. Destroyed by internal fights. His identitys reveled. The ones they love in danger. They are gods. But the human wrath put then on their knees. As mortals.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 07:49 PM

While I would prefer just THE JUSTICE LEAGUE, the title JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL makes sense. These are godlike beings, but they're fallible. That would likely be the theme involved in the movie.

And "Seven Friends" makes perfect sense for the codename if they're trying to keep the production under wraps. Think about it, who in their right mind would equate "Seven Friends" with "The Justice League"?

I think Justice League Mortal is a horrible name, but I don't really care about the name. I care about the movie. It can be called Super Dupers for all I care as long as it delivers.

In regards to Superfriends, that is just pure nostalgia and humor. A joke if you will? You don't have to defend every aspect of the film, including the codename. Take a break. :yay:

Prefix

03-19-2008, 07:50 PM

The thing I don't like about Justice League Mortal is that it implies its going to be a team without superpowered characters.

protocida

03-19-2008, 07:54 PM

We'll. Look the other interpretations.

For me ''Justice League: Revenge'' or ''Justice League: War'' would be cool.

Maze

03-19-2008, 07:58 PM

Arts Minister Peter Garrett answer to George Miller :

Garrett defends tax rebate for films
Posted 1 hour 52 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 40 minutes ago

Peter Garrett says the Government wants bigger films made in Australia (file photo). (AAP: Dean Lewins)

Video: Govt moves to revive film industry (Lateline) Video: Arts Minister Peter Garrett speaks about the film industry (Lateline) Related Story: Sydney set to lose Miller's mega movie Arts Minister Peter Garrett has defended a tax rebate which could force production of a $200 million blockbuster by George Miller overseas.

Miller, the Oscar-winning director behind such hit films as Happy Feet, Babe and Mad Max, has been told it is unlikely Justice League Mortal will be eligible for a 40 per cent production rebate.

Critics claim the movie does not contain enough Australian content because it is based on an American comic strip and actors will perform with American accents.

Miller says this sort of attitude is damaging Australia's film industry.

"The New Zealanders understand, and that's why you've got some of the world's best film-makers ... working in New Zealand," he told ABC1's Lateline.

"We're way behind, way, way behind in Australia.

"We're stuck in this old paradigm where anything big or anything Hollywood is bad."

Miller believes there is only a borderline chance Justice League Mortal will be shot in Sydney without the rebate, meaning the local economy stands to lose "hundreds of millions of dollars".

Mr Garrett says the Government keeps at arms length from decisions made by the Film Finance Corporation (FCC).

"Obviously we prefer to see film-makers of George's calibre work here in Australia," he told Lateline.

"I think that he's one of our film greats. He's brought a tremendous amount to the screen and to the industry. We would much prefer to see him stay.

"But at the same time the intention of the producer offset is to ensure that we get great films made here in Australia which have got a significant Australian content component to them.

"That's the intention of the Government ... But we do want to make bigger films, films which will reach a wider audience."

Mr Garrett says the Government wants to see the rebate build the weight and capacity of Australia's film industry.

"It has been a cottage industry for too long ... But we also want to make sure that there are national interest issues that are considered," he said.

"We want to see films that have got a cultural residence, films that apply them themselves to some of the deficiencies which we don't see coming through the commercial system."

Mr Garrett admits low-budget local productions, for the most part, do not draw big audiences.

"I don't really know why people are not going to see good Australian films ... What I do know though is that there are tonnes of gifted Aussies out there," he said

"There are many fine directors of photography and scriptwriters and technicians working in Hollywood, working in the Middle East and working in Europe.

"I would like to see a lot of those people come back to Australia and participate in a big renaissance for the film industry."

Maze

03-19-2008, 07:59 PM

On the same page you can see George Miller words in live

edit : you can see Peter Garett live too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/20/2195066.htm?section=entertainment

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:02 PM

protocida

03-19-2008, 08:02 PM

Crap.

Showtime

03-19-2008, 08:07 PM

Miller doesn't like being way, way, way behind.

The Guard

03-19-2008, 08:09 PM

Only it failed to do that.

To fans and people who bother to read and remember news about superhero movies. To the average person, no.

It isn't that difficult to connect "Justice League" to "Seven Friends". Perhaps they were trying to be to obvious with it to hide it in plain sight.

Again, maybe for a FAN. The average person has no idea what "seven friends" means.

A good codename should have no link to the actual production.

"seven friends" is pretty vague.

In regards to Superfriends, that is just pure nostalgia and humor. A joke if you will? You don't have to defend every aspect of the film, including the codename. Take a break.

When did I say a word about "Superfriends"?

Dotten

03-19-2008, 08:11 PM

I'm not seeing to much love for this movie from Miller. Looks moore like he went for the job so that he could use JL as a tool for his plan to save aussie-filmindustry. Probably why he got the job in the first place, he promised he'd get the film with the tax-rebate.

Miller has done fine work, but it was always a bit strange that he got to be the director for this kind of movie. I think we now know why. Think he's a goner now. He seems desperate.

jmc

03-19-2008, 08:15 PM

Not sure if it's still true but I heard the Australian industry's biggest problem is with getting their movies in theatres. That the Australian theatre chains mostly go after American films because they know people will see them. Supposedly the American distributors have an alliance with the Australian theatre chains to freeze out the indy films.

It won't matter how good the industry's films are if the movies don't get put in theatres.

Edit: Even the Australian tv shows are screwed up. They're scared to death of doing anything remotely risky. You couldn't get an "edgy" tv show like Ally McBeal to be made there. They sure as hell wouldn't green light 24. They just keep churning out low budget sci-fi brainless kiddie programs, soap operas and cop shows.

Maybe it's better now. I hope so.

Getting the Aussie films in theatres is not easy, there is the perception amongst Australians that Aussie films are crap, the truth is they're wrong, there are some really good film that get release but get little to no exposure, only about one or two every so often is a box office hit. The last film I can remember doing really well both critically and financially was a film called The Dish, about 7 years ago.

As for TV, it's in a lot better shape than film, not sure where you're getting your info from.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:18 PM

Not sure if it's still true but I heard the Australian industry's biggest problem is with getting their movies in theatres. That the Australian theatre chains mostly go after American films because they know people will see them. Supposedly the American distributors have an alliance with the Australian theatre chains to freeze out the indy films.

It won't matter how good the industry's films are if the movies don't get put in theatres.

Edit: Even the Australian tv shows are screwed up. They're scared to death of doing anything remotely risky. You couldn't get an "edgy" tv show like Ally McBeal to be made there. They sure as hell wouldn't green light 24. They just keep churning out low budget sci-fi brainless kiddie programs, soap operas and cop shows.

Maybe it's better now. I hope so.

Our cop shows are cool. Much better than the U.S. ones.

Since when is 'Ally McBeal' edgy? You've obviously never heard of 'Satisfaction', which is about a brothel (lot's of sex and nudity) or 'Underbelly', which is one of the greatest crime shows I've ever seen.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:21 PM

Getting the Aussie films in theatres is not easy, there is the perception amongst Australians that Aussie films are crap, the truth is they're wrong, there are some really good film that get release but get little to no exposure, only about one or two every so often is a box office hit. The last film I can remember doing really well both critically and financially was a film called The Dish, about 7 years ago.

I never liked 'The Dish', but I love 'The Castle'. :woot:

'Wolf Creek' was awesome, imo. John Jarrett (sp?) was 1 of the best villains I've ever seen.

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:23 PM

To fans and people who bother to read and remember news about superhero movies. To the average person, no.

Again, maybe for a FAN. The average person has no idea what "seven friends" means.

You're forgetting bloggers, reporters in "the biz" and any random civilian who has ever heard of the JL movie.

All sorts of people, not just comic fans, are looking for information on JL.

JL's high profile works against it if they want to keep it under wraps.

"seven friends" is pretty vague.

Obviously not vague enough.

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:28 PM

Our cop shows are cool. Much better than the U.S. ones.

I disagree. :D

I'm not saying they're horrible. Just not in America's or even Britain's league.

Since when is 'Ally McBeal' edgy?

It is compared to Neighbours or Home and Away. lol

You've obviously never heard of 'Satisfaction', which is about a brothel (lot's of sex and nudity) or 'Underbelly', which is one of the greatest crime shows I've ever seen.

It's been a decade since I was there so it's possible the shows have improved since that time.

What channels are these on? Network or cable? SBS?

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:31 PM

I disagree. :D

I'm not saying they're horrible. Just not in America's or even Britain's league.

It is compared to Neighbours or Home and Away. lol

It's been a decade since I was there so it's possible the shows have improved since that time.

What channels are these on? Network or cable? SBS?

I agree about the British crime shows. They're brilliant.

Hey, if it wasn't for 'Neighbours' and 'Home and Away', we wouldn't have, Guy Pearce, Russell Crowe, Naomi Watts, Melissa George, Julian McMahon, etc. :woot:

'Satisfaction' is on cable. Underbelly is on network television (Channel 9), which is surprising considering all the violence, sex, nudity and bad language. :yay:

phoenixflight

03-19-2008, 08:31 PM

I really want to see this movie made, however, it seems to keep hitting roadblocks.

There are so many other films slated for a 2009 release that have already gone into production and are releasing photos of the cast...Is this movie REALLY coming out in 2009??? I really hope we hear some official news very very soon...and get to see the cast in full costume at a press conference. That would be so cool, but it feels like a fanboys dream at this point. Pick a place to film and PLEASE start production. I feel it is going to be great!!!

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:32 PM

'Satisfaction' is on cable.

Cool.

Not to mention 'Days of our Lives' and 'The Young and the Restless'. :D

Only American tv shows are more varied then Australia's. Y&TR aren't the norm. Soap operas in Australia were the norm when I was there.

Underbelly is on network television (Channel 9), which is surprising considering all the violence, sex, nudity and bad language. :yay:

Wow. I am impressed with that. :D

That's great news to hear.

Phoenix:

Patience. Nothing's ever that simple in Hollywood.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:34 PM

Cool.

Wow. I am impressed with that. :D

Phoenix:

Patience. Nothing's ever that simple in Hollywood.

Not only that, it's on at 8:30 p.m. :yay:

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:40 PM

Not only that, it's on at 8:30 p.m. :yay:

Amazing.

I'd have thought it would be 10 p.m. stuff.

I'm delighted that the networks have improved.

M.O.Steel

03-19-2008, 08:45 PM

Only it failed to do that.

It isn't that difficult to connect "Justice League" to "Seven Friends". Perhaps they were trying to be to obvious with it to hide it in plain sight.

A good codename should have no link to the actual production.

actually, i wouldn't connect the two. if i saw seven friend, i would think it was some sex and the city type movie, or a coming of age story of 7 college buddies who go their separate ways after graduation, only to find that they miss each other.

now superfriends on the other hand, that would pretty much give it away. especially to the crazy fanatics.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:48 PM

Amazing.

I'd have thought it would be 10 p.m. stuff.

I'm delighted that the networks have improved.

It's not that big of a deal down here anymore. Most people don't care.

They showed 'Californication' and 'Weeds' at 9:30 p.m.. Both were uncensored, too. Religious and family groups complained about them, but that just made the ratings higher. :woot:

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:51 PM

It's not that big of a deal down here anymore. Most people don't care.

:D

They showed 'Californication' and 'Weeds' at 9:30 p.m.. Both ere uncensored, too.

Haven't seen Californication but I've heard good things about it. Love Weeds.

Have you got Dexter yet?

Religious and family groups complained about that, but that just made the ratings higher. :woot:

I love it when that happens.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:52 PM

:D

Haven't seen Californication but I've heard good things about it. Love Weeds.

Have you got Dexter yet?

I love it when that happens.

'Californication' is fantastic. Duchovny is awesome. I love it.

Yes, we have got 'Dexter'. It's on cable. One of my favourite shows.

Yeah, those idiots. :woot:

The Major

03-19-2008, 08:55 PM

Yes, we have got 'Dexter'. It's on cable. One of my favourite shows.

Cable would definitely help Australia get more shows in.

Having 5 channels really limits how much they can bring it at once and there's only so much budget to use.

Yeah, those idiots. :woot:

lol

Showtime

03-19-2008, 08:55 PM

When did I say a word about "Superfriends"?

You didn't, I did. I was connecting it to your quote regarding how much "7 Friends" made sense.

Jake Cassidy

03-19-2008, 08:59 PM

Cable would definitely help Australia get more shows in.

Having 5 channels really limits how much they can bring it at once and there's only so much budget to use.

lol

There a few Australian shows made specifically for cable, so it does help.

Brainiac58

03-19-2008, 10:16 PM

New Zealand - 15% like Australia
Canada - it's a bit more complex.
According to this site
http://www.slate.com/id/2136064/
"the Canadian Federal Government provides foreign producers with a subsidy called the Film Production Services Tax Credit, which now equals 16 percent of the Canadian labor costs. (It was recently raised from 11 percent to offset a rise in the Canadian loonie against the American greenback.) Also, British Columbia offers an additional 18 percent rebate on labor from that province. Finally, there is a 20 percent break on digital effects, if they are done in Canada. In order to qualify for this tax credit, either the director or the screenwriter and one of the two highest paid actors must be Canadian"
Thanks for the info on the Canadian rebates Antonello. So would a film done in British Columbia get a 34% rebate or is it one or the other? So the 20% rebate is only available if either the director or the screenwriter and one of the two highest paid actors is Canadian? That would seem to make it more tempting to do some recasting if it moves.

Webhead2006

03-19-2008, 10:24 PM

Possible, Its all up to WB now on what they want to do with the film and if they are really hell bent on getting it ready to film in a few months and get it out for summer 09 still they really should drop miller now and get someone else in.

biolumen

03-20-2008, 03:43 AM

From the abc.net.au article...

Miller believes there is only a borderline chance Justice League Mortal will be shot in Sydney without the rebate, meaning the local economy stands to lose "hundreds of millions of dollars".

In a previous article, Miller said there was a 90% chance that JLA would leave Oz. This article says it has a 'borderline' chance of filming in Sydney. Unless I misunderstand, borderline means a 50/50 chance. So which is it? Has Miller accidently showed us his hand here?

jmc

03-20-2008, 05:55 AM

Borderline can also mean slim.

Orin

03-20-2008, 09:48 AM

Man, all this tax stuff is just really annoying and frustrating. I have a lot of respect for George Miller's creative talent, but i think it's really time to let this 40 % rebate, the movie won't get anyway, go and start caring about what's best for the movie instead of the Australien film industrie. There are more than enough obsticales for JLM to overcome and i really don't want to see this movie falling apart just because Miller held on onto that damn tax break for too long...

Webhead2006

03-20-2008, 10:39 AM

Yea he should just take the lower one already or just give up the film and have wb take it back and hire someone new. But who knows right now everything is in WB's court right now.

protocida

03-20-2008, 01:35 PM

Prayng.

Dark Knight

03-20-2008, 04:26 PM

Jeez....

I'm telling you guys....the wise, more creative and original move is to get the MOS movie going with a story that will tie in to the JLA film.

Routh would be Supes in MOS and in JL.

So basically instead of having Superman 3....the JLA film will take it's place.

MOS can also be used as a way to introduce other JL members in cameo style apperances. Granted not all of them....but the intriguing ones that would be much more simple to introduce.....like MM/Det John Jones....maybe even Oliver Queen/Green Arrow....and Barry Allen/Flash.

The ending of MOS would be cliffhanger style and would give a hint of a much bigger threat to come in the JLA film.

Something like that would be interesting, intriguing and original.

Heck Batman doesn't need to be a huge player in the JLA film IMO....i'm sure if they reduced his role to more of a cameo behind the scenes mystery type of role....Bale would want to do it. It would be sweet for us fans and the general movie audience.....to think that Batman is not involved in the happenings of the JLA story/film....but towards the end we see Bale as Batman in a cameo reveal himself to the JL that he was monitoring events and helping them behind the scene in someway. It would be a great surprise to us and ESPECIALLY and more importantly to the general movie audience.