Official Justice League Status Update Thread

[M.O.Steel]

^^bale has repeated said that his batman is his own universe and has nothing to do with the JLA. so unless nolan himself directs the JLA flick within the BB/TDK universe, no chance in hell bale will be doing a cameo.

[sithgoblin]

I'm not seeing to much love for this movie from Miller. Looks moore like he went for the job so that he could use JL as a tool for his plan to save aussie-filmindustry. Probably why he got the job in the first place, he promised he'd get the film with the tax-rebate.

Miller has done fine work, but it was always a bit strange that he got to be the director for this kind of movie. I think we now know why. Think he's a goner now. He seems desperate.

How is this any different than Michael Bay insisting on filming Transformers in the States? Or Jackson insisting on shooting in NZ?

Of course reviving the Australian Film Industry is a motive. It needs it badly. But if the Government weren't being such pussies, this wouldn't even be an issue.

[Dark Knight]

^^bale has repeated said that his batman is his own universe and has nothing to do with the JLA. so unless nolan himself directs the JLA flick within the BB/TDK universe, no chance in hell bale will be doing a cameo.


However, Bale has said in the past that he would like to do a JLA film in the future and that now is the wrong time for him to be involved in a JLA film because he didn't agree with the direction it was going.


You never know how he would feel in a year....if they change the idea around....and if Batman is not a major player in the story. Heck....it would only be a cameo if anything.

[KBX]

However, Bale has said in the past that he would like to do a JLA film in the future and that now is the wrong time for him to be involved in a JLA film because he didn't agree with the direction it was going.


You never know how he would feel in a year....if they change the idea around....and if Batman is not a major player in the story. Heck....it would only be a cameo if anything.

Yeah he will only do a JL film if Nolan was the director and they double is salary. I like Nolan, just don't want him to do with anything concerning a JL film. The 3rd Batman movie is the last time you will see Bale as Bruce Wayne in any capacity.

[M.O.Steel]

However, Bale has said in the past that he would like to do a JLA film in the future and that now is the wrong time for him to be involved in a JLA film because he didn't agree with the direction it was going.


You never know how he would feel in a year....if they change the idea around....and if Batman is not a major player in the story. Heck....it would only be a cameo if anything.

you sure about that? I have never heard him say a positive note on a JLA movie. He has been asked since BB, and he has never, in all the interviews i've seen, ever said he might. He always said no, he likes what nolan has done tith the batman story, and he will stick to that. their universe is different from the JLAverse, and he would not do that. Every time he said the same thing.

However, never say never, so he could always change his mind, but don't hold your breath.

[Jake Cassidy]

you sure about that? I have never heard him say a positive note on a JLA movie. He has been asked since BB, and he has never, in all the interviews i've seen, ever said he might. He always said no, he likes what nolan has done tith the batman story, and he will stick to that. their universe is different from the JLAverse, and he would not do that. Every time he said the same thing.

However, never say never, so he could always change his mind, but don't hold your breath.


Yeah, he did. He said that he wouldn't mind doing a JL movie, but he wanted to wait until after the 3rd Batman movie.

[KBX]

On the same page you can see George Miller words in live

edit : you can see Peter Garett live too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/20/2195066.htm?section=entertainment

Thanks Maze...

Ok, I really don't know much about Aus film industry or the state that it is in, but it looks like JLM won't be shot their. Canada and New Zealand are the options. I wonder if the FCC can offer Miller something like 20% or some sort of settlement...

Anyhow I don't get this "if JL is not shot in Australia, Miller is gone" coming from. The WB wouldn't hire him solely on the purpose of getting 40%. If that was the case than it was doomed from the start. Miller seems to be capable of shooting a good JL movie, so ill stick by him...

[M.O.Steel]

Yeah, he did. He said that he wouldn't mind doing a JL movie, but he wanted to wait until after the 3rd Batman movie.

i'll take your word for it, but i have yet to hear him say anything about doing a JLA flick from all the interviews i've watched.

are you sure it wasn't a batman v superman crossover?

[GreenKToo]

i'll take your word for it, but i have yet to hear him say anything about doing a JLA flick from all the interviews i've watched.

are you sure it wasn't a batman v superman crossover?
I know your question wasnt directed at me, but from what I remember it was a world's finest film with he and Routh that he talked about.
If he ever mentioned a J.L. film, I missed that one.

[FaT_tONle]

Bale didn't say ***** about a JLA... he just left himself open to the idea of an ensemble flick... that's not saying "Yeah I'd do it if they asked me too and paid me well"... all that MEANS is... "yeah I wouldn't be against it because this character is so widely popular and there are fans of so many different versions of the character that I don't want to let them down by saying I won't be available for JLA." I'll be happy if Bale even gives us a third Batman... what more can you ask from the guy? World's Finest??? JLA??? "Oh and by the way Christian... we can't really increase your salaray that much because the budget is already above 200 million..." I am not saying this is the right direction... but we'd probably get the same thing even if they waited till 2012-2014 or whenever...

[jmc]

Bale mentioned he's not opposed to a team-up film, I'm pretty sure he was only referring to a SM/BM team up with himself and Routh, JL wasn't even in the pipeline when he made that comment. As far as I'm aware he's never said anything about being in a JL film.

[Dark Knight]

Bale mentioned he's not opposed to a team-up film, I'm pretty sure he was only referring to a SM/BM team up with himself and Routh, JL wasn't even in the pipeline when he made that comment. As far as I'm aware he's never said anything about being in a JL film.



From what I remember someone asked him if he was going to be in the JLA film and he said something to the effect that the timing was bad and where he didn't like the characterization they (Miller) were going for but he wouldn't rule it out after the Nolans Batman films.

This was close to a year ago I believe and don't ask me to find a link...I don't have time for that.

[Maze]

Batman Believes In Justice?
Bale on returning to the cowl for an ensemble superhero flick.
by Todd Gilchrist


US, July 2, 2007 - Following the report on June 24, 2007 indicating that screenwriters Kieran and Michele Mulroney turned in their script for a Justice League of America movie, IGN spoke to Christian Bale about the possibility of reprising his role as Batman in the aforementioned film.

When asked if he would be interested in appearing as Batman in a more comic book-oriented context, Bale noted, "It's like I was saying to Chris [Nolan] -- I'll be probably doing this in dinner theater somewhere in my 50s, so I won't knock it. Because who knows where I'll end up?"

Stay tuned to IGN for more news and interviews about this and other exciting new releases!

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/800/800947p1.html

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah that says JLA alright... did the question phrased to him even include JLA cause it doesn't even look like that was the case?

[Maze]

INTERVIEW: Is Christian Bale In or Out of WB’s Justice League?
Written by IESB Staff
Tuesday, 21 August 2007
Earlier this week, the IESB broke the news that the WB Justice League film is coming Summer of 2009 with a first quarter 2008 production start date. Questions arose about Christian Bale’s potential involvement as the Dark Knight.


Today during the 3:10 to Yuma press junket the question on everyone’s lips? Is Bale willing to put on the rubber suit once again for the upcoming JLA film?

Here’s the excerpt from an interview IESB’s Rachel Howard participated in and what Bale had to say:

Will Bale’s version of the Caped Crusader be part of Justice League of America? Bale says that he has not signed on to be part of the ensemble superhero pic.

Q: Are you doing Justice League after TDK?

Bale: No

IESB: Have you been approached for Justice League?

Bale: No

IESB: How would you feel about the studio recasting Batman for Justice League?

Bale: It’d be better if it doesn’t tread on the toes of what we’re doing, though I feel that it would be better if it comes out after Batman 3.

Can fans handle two Batmans on the big screen almost simultaneously? I honestly don’t know. Bale has really personified this character to the utmost…I can’t think of anyone else doing it justice after his portrayal.

Well, we’ll keep our bat-ears open and let you know as soon as we do!


http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3109&Itemid=99


August 23, 2007

No, there’s been no talk with me about ‘Justice League’; it’s only [reporters] who mention this to me.”

Poking some fun at the concept of a superhero group that would have Bruce Wayne standing alongside the Green Lantern, Bale and his “3:10 to Yuma” co-star Russell Crowe teased that perhaps the latter could play Robin. But getting serious for a moment, Bale made it clear that he will only play Batman for Christopher Nolan.

“We’ve done something very good with our Batman, and so I would not do anything that wasn’t in keeping with what we were doing,” Bale explained. Reminded that “Justice League” would feature a different director (George Miller), Bale then added: “No, that’d be a whole different world. And if it wasn’t part of [our] world, then it wouldn’t work.”


http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/08/23/christian-bale-hasnt-been-approached-for-justice-league/

[Maze]

You can see Bale talk about justice league just at the end of the video and/or read it thanks to Lencho01 transcript ;)


Friday, 14 March 2008

Robert: What do you think about Justice League?


Bale: About what?

Robert: Justice League.

Bale: Oh, I uh... I don't really know much about the Justice League I gotta say you know. I mean, what I do know is it's not the Batman Begins/Dark Knight world,you know. This is our world and that's it. That's a different universe.





http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=227&task=videodirectlink&id=849

[FaT_tONle]

You can see Bale talk about justice league just at the end of the video and/or read it thanks to Lencho01 transcript ;)


Friday, 14 March 2008

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=227&task=videodirectlink&id=849

Blame SR people... its all on Singer... had he created a viable updated universe for Superman then we could have been talking crossovers at this time between two franchises.

[M.O.Steel]

edit

[Maze]

Exactly.

Bale doesn't sound very disapointed . He sound rather happy with his own world..

[M.O.Steel]

When asked if he would be interested in appearing as Batman in a more comic book-oriented context, Bale noted, "It's like I was saying to Chris [Nolan] -- I'll be probably doing this in dinner theater somewhere in my 50s, so I won't knock it. Because who knows where I'll end up?"
that's pretty much him saying no. when hes 50 and is out of work and they wanna pay him big bucks.

Bale: It’d be better if it doesn’t tread on the toes of what we’re doing, though I feel that it would be better if it comes out after Batman 3.

STILL without HIM, just after they are done with their story. nothing about him wanting to do JLA.

“We’ve done something very good with our Batman, and so I would not do anything that wasn’t in keeping with what we were doing,” Bale explained. Reminded that “Justice League” would feature a different director (George Miller), Bale then added: “No, that’d be a whole different world. And if it wasn’t part of [our] world, then it wouldn’t work.”
i'm not sure how much more of a hint you need


Bale: Oh, I uh... I don't really know much about the Justice League I gotta say you know. I mean, what I do know is it's not the Batman Begins/Dark Knight world,you know. This is our world and that's it. That's a different universe.

diplomatic way of saying no...

there you have it. each time its brought up, he basically is saying no. but instead of saying that directly, he's doing it in a diplomatic way so that no one's feelings is hurt, or the new batman doesn't feel like a loser. But he keeps saying no, and stupid fanboy interviews keep asking him over and over.

are you gonna be batman in jla?
bale: umm...you know, i like what i'm doing with our universe, and that is different one, so i want to stick with mine"

[The Guard]

Who cares about Bale? When did Bale become the end all, be all of Batman? If he doesn't want to be involved in a relevant project, and wants Batman to be "in our own little world" (which he would conveniently step out of for BATMAN AND SUPERMAN), screw him.

[Maze]

2005: before Batman Begins release

Have you read that "Batman vs.Superman" script? Would that be something you would be interested in doing?

I think that would be a ways down track. I haven’t read it. There is, I believe, a comic book or graphic novel specifically about that. I haven’t read that one either. If it was something good, but I think that would be something way down track if that was ever to happen.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/christian-bale-int.htm

[M.O.Steel]

Who cares about Bale? When did Bale become the end all, be all of Batman? If he doesn't want to be involved in a relevant project, and wants Batman to be "in our own little world" (which he would conveniently step out of for BATMAN AND SUPERMAN), screw him.

probably the guy who started this discussion. read further back.

[Spider-Bat]

So far everything I've heard about this JLA movie has been crap, from not knowing what the hell they're going to do with it, to casting a moron rapper as GL.

[M.O.Steel]

So far everything I've heard about this JLA movie has been crap, from not knowing what the hell they're going to do with it, to casting a moron rapper as GL.

i actaully think common is a pretty good actor. could they have found someoen better...yeah.

[FaT_tONle]

Who cares about Bale? When did Bale become the end all, be all of Batman? If he doesn't want to be involved in a relevant project, and wants Batman to be "in our own little world" (which he would conveniently step out of for BATMAN AND SUPERMAN), screw him.

Lets see how your movie does with Mr. Hammer.

[Maze]

2005 interview.( last one that i will post)

Speaking of sequels will you do Batman Vs Superman?

Christian Bale: You know…(long pause) I don’t know.

http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2005/wb/batman/bale-interview.html

[Maze]

Ok This is the last one :o :woot: :cwink:
When will this film happen? Christian Bale told the IESB today during the Batman Begins press junket that Superman vs Batman could happen down the line but not as an immediate sequel but instead after a few more Batman solo successes.

http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2003.asp

[jmc]

It all matter's not now, Bale and Routh aren't doing JL, but really it's for the best, JL should be it's own continuity from all present and future solo projects.

[Jake Cassidy]

Lets see how your movie does with Mr. Hammer.

He wasn't advocating Hammer as Batman. He's just saying that Bale isn't the only person in the world who can play Batman.

[Jake Cassidy]

So far everything I've heard about this JLA movie has been crap, from not knowing what the hell they're going to do with it, to casting a moron rapper as GL.

Common's not a moron. He's more of a socially conscious rapper. Kind of like Public Enemy. He's also a very capable actor, imo. He's not 50 Cent.

[sdc10]

We don't know who's actually gonna play Batman in JL. It's possible that they could get someone better than Bale.

IMO it doesnt get better than Bale as batman:brucebat:

[FaT_tONle]

If WB thinks they are going to make a franchise out of JLA with a 3 picture type deal... I just can't see it sorry... JLA is just not big time comic book property... I'll get a lot of flack for saying it but that's the way I feel personally... Spiderman was always huge... right behind Superman and Batman... X-Men is number 4 on the list... everything else is miles below and any comic adaptation for any other character is a crap shoot. Yes Marvel has made a lot of films of a lot of other characters... but lets face it... they were ***** for the most part. FF may not even make it to a third... Iron Man... Hulk... all mediocre property that will pull in mediocre numbers. I'd be suprised if any other Marvel film does more than 200 million domestic... and with DC... considering WB is going for broke every time they give these films a go around (with 200 plus dollar budgets)... there is no room for error. And as we have seen... this project was over before it even began to a lot of the naysayers including myself... I'll have to see it before I can believe it.

[Jake Cassidy]

IMO it doesnt get better than Bale as batman:brucebat:

As of now, yes. But it is possible to find someone better.

[Jake Cassidy]

If WB thinks they are going to make a franchise 3 picture type deal here with JLA... I just can't see it sorry... JLA is just not big time comic book property... I'll get a lot of flack for saying it but that's the way I feel personally... Spiderman was always huge... right behind Superman and Batman... X-Men is number 4 on the list... everything else is miles below and any comic adaptation for any other character is a crap shoot. Yes Marvel has made a lot of films of a lot of other guys... but lets face it... they were ***** for the most part. FF may not even make it to a third... Iron Man... Hulk... all mediocre property that will pull in mediocre numbers. I'd be suprised if any other Marvel film does more than 200 million... and with DC... considering WB is going for broke every time they give these films a go around (with 200 plus dollar budgets)... there is no room for error. And as we have seen... this project was over before it even began to a lot of the naysayers including myself... I'll have to see it before I can believe it.


But JL has something those others you mentioned don't. Batman and Superman in the same movie. It really doesn't get any bigger than that. :woot:

[sdc10]

i seriously doubt some OC like actor is gonna be better at playing batman

[Jake Cassidy]

i seriously doubt some OC like actor is gonna be better at playing batman

I never said that. All I said was that there are other real actors in the world who could play Batman as well.

[GreenKToo]

I agree with The Guard (but in a nicer way) about Bale. There are plenty of actors out there besides Bale that could pull it off. Just like there's plenty out there besides Routh that could play Supes.
It doesnt matter to me who it is playing the characters as long as they can act and at least look the part.

[FaT_tONle]

SO the top two are Superman and Batman, who happen to be in the Justice League. JL is bigger than you think. :woot:

When people think Superman they think Lex, Lois, and Clark... that's what comes into mind when you are talking about Superman films... when people think Batman... they think Gotham, Joker, and Bruce Wayne... wthout those elements it doesn't become a Batman/Superman movie... it becomes a movie about a team in tights fighting evil... it waters down the two lead characters... you know I didn't say what property I'd put at number 5... JLA might make my list... but its still no where near as big as those other four franchises and does not warrant a budget anywhere close to 200 million... comic book property is hot right now so WB thinks they can cash in while they are still young... and get their little tentpole into 2009... but if they are expecting 300 million they have lost their minds. And when this film barely cracks 200 what will they do? They'll go back to Singer and say... "give us a sequel... except we are cutting your bugdet by 50 million... at least Nolan might feel sorry for them and give them a third movie. I'd personally let them suffer if I were Nolan though.

[Jake Cassidy]

When people think Superman they think Lex, Lois, and Clark... that's what comes into mind when you are talking about Superman films... when people think Batman... they think Gotham, Joker, and Bruce Wayne... wthout those elements it doesn't become a Batman/Superman movie... it becomes a movie about a team in tights fighting evil... it waters down the two lead characters... you know I didn't say what property I'd put at number 5... JLA might make my list... but its still no where near as big as those other four franchises and does not warrant a budget anywhere close to 200 million... comic book property is hot right now so WB thinks they can cash in while they are still young... and get their little tentpole into 2009... but if they are expecting 300 million they have lost their minds. And when this film barely cracks 200 what will they do? They'll go back to Singer and say... "give us a sequel... except we are cutting your bugdet by 50 million... at least Nolan might feel sorry for them and give them a third movie. I'd personally let them suffer if I were Nolan though.


I'm talking in movie terms. Batman and Superman in the same movie is gonna make a ****load of money. They are two of the most recognisable and popular fictional characters in the world. Ever.

[FaT_tONle]

That's true... but unless they bring in some recognizable faces its not going to mean much... because the public has just been so saturated with comic book characters for so long that JLA is going to lose some luster to the one thing it had going for it... you think people are paying attention to what's DC and what's Marvel and what continuity this is and that is. To them its going to look like another version of X-Men. But it has Batman and Superman so they might give it a shot... but you really think the public is going to keep coming back for that sort of stuff? JLA should have been a one time deal here... that's why you got to have big time actors filling those roles to give meaning to those iconic characters. And RIGHT NOW... Bale and Routh are the biggest names. Going with people from TV shows and you are losing 50 million at your box office right there. Even if JLA does well with unknowns it won't be nearly as big as it should have been... my only hope is that Batman and Superman are already established members of the team... and one day Bale and Routh (if MOS happens and does well) come back to do a Batman/Superman film and they establish it as possibly an event before JLA. Hence we see Batman/Superman together the way it was meant to be. So hopefully they at least get an older actor for Batman in Justice League.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ That I agree with.

[jmc]

I'm talking in movie terms. Batman and Superman in the same movie is gonna make a ****load of money. They are two of the most recognisable and popular fictional characters in the world. Ever.

And yet, the biggest of the two failed to draw in the mega numbers people expected, I think fans on both sides overestimate both characters pulling power.

[Jake Cassidy]

And yet, the biggest of the two failed to draw in the mega numbers people expected, I think fans on both sides overestimate both characters pulling power.

Yes, but them together is a different story altogether.

You do know that SR is the 6th highest grossing comic book movie ever, right? One above BB. It's, obviously, a huge failure. It goes Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Batman (89), X-men 2. Then SR and BB.

I hate the fact that we live in a world where Spider-Man makes more money than Superman and Batman. Bloody idiot kids. :woot:

[M.O.Steel]

And yet, the biggest of the two failed to draw in the mega numbers people expected, I think fans on both sides overestimate both characters pulling power.

not the character's fault...its the movie's fault.

and while i think it would make a lot of money, i don't think its necessarily an additive feature. i think that if individually they made 200 each, they wouldn't necessarily make 400 total.

and the vs movies haven't really done that well to be honest

[jmc]

Yes, but them together is a different story altogether.

You do know that SR is the 6th highest grossing comis book movie ever, right? One above BB. It's, obviously, a huge failure.

I hate the fact that we live in a world where Spider-Man makes more money than Superman and Batman. Bloody idiot kids. :woot:

Putting them together on screen does not equal mega dollars, again, its overestimating the characters selling power.

[jmc]

not the character's fault...its the movie's fault.

and while i think it would make a lot of money, i don't think its necessarily an additive feature. i think that if individually they made 200 each, they would make 400 total.

and the vs movies haven't really done that well to be honests

You could argue that opening weekend says it's more than just the film's fault, despite good reviews. Vs movie do tend to suck, usually they are made just to pit two iconic character together for the sake of it.

[M.O.Steel]

You could argue that opening weekend says it's more than just the film's fault, despite good reviews. Vs movie do tend to suck, usually they are made just to pit two iconic character together for the sake of it.

yeah if anything, it cheapens the two characters. so that's why they should wait till each get a trilogy, and then once all that is done...milk more money out of it, as much as possible.

[Jake Cassidy]

Putting them together on screen does not equal mega dollars, again, its overestimating the characters selling power.

Yeah, but I doubt it's gonna be a financial flop. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Jake Cassidy]

You could argue that opening weekend says it's more than just the film's fault, despite good reviews. Vs movie do tend to suck, usually they are made just to pit two iconic character together for the sake of it.

Freddy Vs. Jason ****in' rocked. :woot:

Although, you probably don't like it, with you ridiculously high standards and all. :oldrazz:

[Captain Planet!]

I just hope that this movie isn't rushed. :(

[M.O.Steel]

You could argue that opening weekend says it's more than just the film's fault, despite good reviews. Vs movie do tend to suck, usually they are made just to pit two iconic character together for the sake of it.

it did have a pretty strong opening (not spidey or pirate #s), but then it tapered off. but if it was actually good, it would have done better. it had feet of clay as one critic called it.

it was at 108 mil in july 2, and reached 200 mil sometime in october 22. it was released june 28th i think.

[Jake Cassidy]

it did have a pretty strong opening (not spidey or pirate #s), but then it tapered off. but if it was actually good, it would have done better. it had feet of clay as one critic called it.

it was at 108 mil in july 2, and reached 200 mil sometime in october 22. it was released june 28th i think.

SR still made more money than BB. I know that doesn't really matter, but I just wanted to say it. :woot:

[M.O.Steel]

SR still made more money than BB. I know that doesn't really matter, but I just wanted to say it. :woot:

actually...officially i think batman is up by 4 or 5 mil. and considering it cost 50 mill less to make, i'm not sure if superman really did make more money.

regardless, BB was a much better movie

[Jake Cassidy]

actually...officially i think batman is up by 4 or 5 mil. and considering it cost 50 mill less to make, i'm not sure if superman really did make more money.

regardless, BB was a much better movie

In box office takings, SR made more than BB. That's completely disregarding the budget and profit. DVD sales would probably put BB over the top, though.

I love both of them.

[M.O.Steel]

In box office takings, SR made more than BB. That's completely disregarding the budget and profit. DVD sales would probably put BB over the top, though.

I love both of them.

boxofficemojo.com

BB--205,343,774
SR--200,081,192

I did not include budget profit or dvd sales the first time around. sorry buddy.

[M.O.Steel]

double

[M.O.Steel]

triple. holy smokes.

[Brainiac58]

One possible advantage that the JL might have over the individual Superman and Batman films is that it will present fans with something never before seen on the big screen in the forms of Superman & Batman together and characters such as Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, & the Flash. I think this was part of what helped the first Spiderman film become such huge a success. Batman & Superman have to overcome some degree of "been there and done that" feelings in movie goers who have been exposed to the previous films.

I do disagree about the popularity of the JL. When you take into account not only the comics but all the various animated incarnations of the team going back to the old Super Friends cartoons all the way up the JLs appearance in the new Batman cartoon, they have more exposure and a longer term appeal than almost any super hero properties I can think of besides Superman, Batman, & Spiderman. They even appear on Family Guy from time to time :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

boxofficemojo.com

BB--205,343,774
SR--200,081,192

I did not include budget profit or dvd sales the first time around. sorry buddy.

That's U.S. only. What about internationally?

[M.O.Steel]

That's U.S. only. What about internationally?

fair enough.

[Jake Cassidy]

fair enough.

Cool, mate. I'm glad that's settled. :woot:


So.......Justice League may be coming out in 2009. :yay:

[M.O.Steel]

Cool, mate. I'm glad that's settled. :woot:


So.......Justice League may be coming out in 2009. :yay:

did you change what you wrote? why did you do that?

[Jake Cassidy]

did you change what you wrote? why did you do that?

I didn't change anything. What are you talking about?

[M.O.Steel]

I didn't change anything. I'm just trying to steer the conversation back to what we should be talking about.

i was talking about earlier. you said internationally it made more money...but then you changed it into a question. i just found that odd for some reason.

JLA i don't think will make it into theaters 2009.

[Jake Cassidy]

i was talking about earlier. you said internationally it made more money...but then you changed it into a question. i just found that odd for some reason.

JLA i don't think will make it into theaters 2009.


I was asking whether Box Office Mojo had the figures for internationally. I checked and they don't.

JL could make it to Christmas 2009.

[M.O.Steel]

I was asking whether Box Office Mojo had the figures for internationally. I checked and they don't.

JL could make it to Christmas 2009.

they have international numbers also.

but would you really want a JLA movie in christmas? but not the best times for blockbusters. if they can't get it together by this summer, they;ll wait until next summer.

[M.O.Steel]

double. i hate my computer.

[Showtime]

They have international numbers on Boxoffice Mojo?

[M.O.Steel]

They have international numbers on Boxoffice Mojo?

yup

ex. http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=superman06.htm

[Showtime]

No, I knew they did, I thought somebody was saying they didnt?

[M.O.Steel]

No, I knew they did, I thought somebody was saying they didnt?

sorry. it sounded like a question.

[Showtime]

I suck at life sometimes.

[jmc]

it did have a pretty strong opening (not spidey or pirate #s), but then it tapered off. but if it was actually good, it would have done better. it had feet of clay as one critic called it.

it was at 108 mil in july 2, and reached 200 mil sometime in october 22. it was released june 28th i think.

Boy, it really did limp to 200million.

Really, 52million for a character who's supposedly the most popular comic character and known by the general public is poor, yet it had good reviews, good looking trailer, solid cast, good director, and had been 20 years since the character was on screen, all these factors should have seen a bigger opening to the film then what it got, the question then becomes, why didn't it? I just think it's possible the character has lost it's appeal.

[M.O.Steel]

Boy, it really did limp to 200million.

Really, 52million for a character who's supposedly the most popular comic character and known by the general public is poor, yet it had good reviews, good looking trailer, solid cast, good director, and had been 20 years since the character was on screen, all these factors should have seen a bigger opening to the film then what it got, the question then becomes, why didn't it? I just think it's possible the character has lost it's appeal.

while I would personally disagree and would debate you from here to space, i'm not the right person, because i am EXTREMELY biased. :woot: i will try.

Actually, if anything, i think every single penny that the movie did make was strictly based on the name alone. so the 400 million i would attribute solely on the name superman. that was not a superman movie by any standards. so if anything, its actually kinda impressive that it got 200 million, and i contribute entirely to the name alone.

i honestly think if it was a better movie that had more of a wide-spread appeal, it would have done a lot better and would have gotten that strong opening. even with the trailers and all, i really wasn't impressed, lois being a mommy, lex still being a weirdo. I think superman is the only one of the comic book characters that could have given spiderman a run for it's money, but fell short.

i think they should have gone with a lesser budget, but a more action comic-book oriented film, instead of a more melo-dramatic one. The cast is amazing, but they made lois ugly, and they really didn't use Spacey to his potential. It honestly didn't feel like a superman movie to me, more like a big-budget SNL skit, notebook meets superman. so if anything, that name alone actually brought in the 200 million. Think of any other superhero. if spiderman had the same story for the first film, or if batman had that story for begins, if iron man, or WW, flash or GL, there is no way they would have made any money at all. i mean, the name is the real reason i went to go see the flick. i haven't watched the notebook, and unless a girl forces me to watch it (for something in return), never intend to watch it. but you put a superman tag on it, and i went to go see it, in IMAX.

so i can see why you think he lost his appeal, but if anything, i think its the name alone the helped the money trickle in the 200 (400) mil.

[Nightwing1977]

I suck at life sometimes.

Is that why you're a mod now? Perhaps to fill out something that suck in your life right now. ;)

[Jake Cassidy]

No, I knew they did, I thought somebody was saying they didnt?

I couldn't find it. I'm an idiot.

[Jake Cassidy]

I suck at life sometimes.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You were right. :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

Boy, it really did limp to 200million.

Really, 52million for a character who's supposedly the most popular comic character and known by the general public is poor, yet it had good reviews, good looking trailer, solid cast, good director, and had been 20 years since the character was on screen, all these factors should have seen a bigger opening to the film then what it got, the question then becomes, why didn't it? I just think it's possible the character has lost it's appeal.

No, it's just because kids are idiots these days. :woot:

[biolumen]

Borderline can also mean slim.

Perhaps, but I don't believe that's what he meant in this case. Go to the 5 minute mark of the video of Miller's interview found at the link below and listen to how he says it [video link 'Gov't moves to revive film industry']. After the reporter comments that Miller threatens to take both JLA and Happy Feet 2 out of Australia, Miller says "We've virtually lost them to this country now. I just got off the phone trying to keep Happy Feet 2 in this country. Justice League is absolutely borderline" [both hands, held in front, palms down, moving up and down counter to each other].

Hmm, I don't know. It definitely looks to me like he's implying that JLA has a 50/50 chance of filming in Australia, even though he had just said that they're virutually lost already. Maybe Miller knows it's filming there anyway and he's backtracking on the threat some. Also, since HF2 would apparently qualify for the big rebate, making it elsewhere would be silly, yes? I don't think he's telling us the whole story here.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/20/2195066.htm?section=entertainment

[FlawlessVictory]

Boy, it really did limp to 200million.

Really, 52million for a character who's supposedly the most popular comic character and known by the general public is poor, yet it had good reviews, good looking trailer, solid cast, good director, and had been 20 years since the character was on screen, all these factors should have seen a bigger opening to the film then what it got, the question then becomes, why didn't it? I just think it's possible the character has lost it's appeal.

Superman hasn't lost its appeal. That hasn't been proven yet. The audience just didn't care for Singer's Superman. There's a difference. If we had a Superman movie with a modern Lex, a compelling story that is not a rehash with just a kid thrown in, a formidable villain Superman can actually fight, with incredible never before seen action and fight sequences, and a not so depressing atmosphere, and it still performed like how SR did, then I would say Superman has lost its appeal. But I can't state Superman has lost its appeal based on Singer's weak attempt at a Superman movie.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Superman hasn't lost its appeal. That hasn't been proven yet. The audience just didn't care for Singer's Superman. There's a difference.
How could they know how the movie was before seeing it? In the first w-end the qualities of the movie are worth shait.

[antonydelfini]

Superman hasn't lost its appeal. That hasn't been proven yet. The audience just didn't care for Singer's Superman. There's a difference. If we had a Superman movie with a modern Lex, a compelling story that is not a rehash with just a kid thrown in, a formidable villain Superman can actually fight, with incredible never before seen action and fight sequences, and a not so depressing atmosphere, and it still performed like how SR did, then I would say Superman has lost its appeal. But I can't state Superman has lost its appeal based on Singer's weak attempt at a Superman movie.

Very true. Superman is still Superman.You just have to handle him the way the 21st century audience expects you to, action packed with relatable characters and jaw dropping special effects.

[dark_b]

Very true. Superman is still Superman.You just have to handle him the way the 21st century audience expects you to, action packed with relatable characters and jaw dropping special effects.
action?
how can you make action in a superman movie? he doesnt have interesting powers.

and special effects? how ?????? how will you make good special effects with only 200 milions?

heeey whait a minute :cmad:

[jmc]

Superman hasn't lost its appeal. That hasn't been proven yet. The audience just didn't care for Singer's Superman. There's a difference. If we had a Superman movie with a modern Lex, a compelling story that is not a rehash with just a kid thrown in, a formidable villain Superman can actually fight, with incredible never before seen action and fight sequences, and a not so depressing atmosphere, and it still performed like how SR did, then I would say Superman has lost its appeal. But I can't state Superman has lost its appeal based on Singer's weak attempt at a Superman movie.

How could the audience have known what the film was going to be like in that first weekend? How do you explain the first weekends less than impressive earnings for such an iconic character who hadn't graced the screen in almost two decades? Again, it had good reviews, a good cast, good director and big build up, what do we put it down to? To me, it's a sign that all is not wine and roses with the character. It's quite easy to put the blame soley on Singer's interpretation, but as someone who's neutral on the Superman character, it comes across as though the character has began to lose its appeal. If a sequel comes that is more impressive than the first and again struggles to get people coming in, I think that would be definite proof. I known most won't agree with me though, but each to their own. :up:

[GreenKToo]

The opening weekend, while decent, could have been better.
I think that if S.R. would have had the things in it that alot of posters here have suggested, W.O.M. would have almost guaranteed a bigger B.O.

[FaT_tONle]

How could the audience have known what the film was going to be like in that first weekend? How do you explain the first weekends less than impressive earnings for such an iconic character who hadn't graced the screen in almost two decades? Again, it had good reviews, a good cast, good director and big build up, what do we put it down to? To me, it's a sign that all is not wine and roses with the character. It's quite easy to put the blame soley on Singer's interpretation, but as someone who's neutral on the Superman character, it comes across as though the character has began to lose its appeal. If a sequel comes that is more impressive than the first and again struggles to get people coming in, I think that would be definite proof. I known most won't agree with me though, but each to their own. :up:

EASY... Lex Luthor as the villain again... no big time villain... Kate Bosworth??? Give me a break... the trailers weren't that good... other than the bullet shot... it was just Supes flying around lifting things...

[M.O.Steel]

How could the audience have known what the film was going to be like in that first weekend? How do you explain the first weekends less than impressive earnings for such an iconic character who hadn't graced the screen in almost two decades? Again, it had good reviews, a good cast, good director and big build up, what do we put it down to? To me, it's a sign that all is not wine and roses with the character. It's quite easy to put the blame soley on Singer's interpretation, but as someone who's neutral on the Superman character, it comes across as though the character has began to lose its appeal. If a sequel comes that is more impressive than the first and again struggles to get people coming in, I think that would be definite proof. I known most won't agree with me though, but each to their own. :up:

the trailers gave off a depressing mood, and a lot of people knew the story (the kid being his might be the only surprise if that), they had a good cast, but the story is still terrible, and i actually didn't like the trailers.

unfortunately about the sequel part, i don't think that would prove anything bc that might just be from the first movie. FF2, which i thought was much better than the first, still didn't do well. i still don't see it as the definitive proof.

again, the way i saw it, any money that it did make was solely on the name superman alone. i don't think spiderman or batman would have made any money had it had the very same story. the story was notebook, covered with a superman character.

we needed something new, modern, exciting, action-oriented. we didn't get any of that. it's not that the character lost its appeal, and even if he was slipping it should have been the directors job to present it in such a way to show that it hasn't lost it's appeal. smallville is very popular and so was L&C. so it's not the character IMO.

[M.O.Steel]

EASY... Lex Luthor as the villain again... no big time villain... Kate Bosworth??? Give me a break... the trailers weren't that good... other than the bullet shot... it was just Supes flying around lifting things...

yeah other than the bullet scene...the trailers werent that great. they pretty showed how the movie would play out, a very epic shell, with no substance inside.

the trailers were depressing.

[Brainiac58]

I just watched the trailers for the upcoming Speed Racer movie and I hope this is what they mean when IESB reported that the movie will be highly stylized. I think that sort of high sci-fi/fantasy almost cartoonish look would make the JL stand out from other superhero films and help establish it as being a separate universe from the existing Batman & Superman films.

[Docker2.0]

How could the audience have known what the film was going to be like in that first weekend? How do you explain the first weekends less than impressive earnings for such an iconic character who hadn't graced the screen in almost two decades? Again, it had good reviews, a good cast, good director and big build up, what do we put it down to? To me, it's a sign that all is not wine and roses with the character. It's quite easy to put the blame soley on Singer's interpretation, but as someone who's neutral on the Superman character, it comes across as though the character has began to lose its appeal. If a sequel comes that is more impressive than the first and again struggles to get people coming in, I think that would be definite proof. I known most won't agree with me though, but each to their own. :up:

Yep! that's it! Dude has every power you can imagine and he's.............a boy scout! Not like Batman who beats up people or Spidey who has the drama. I too use to blame Singer but the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking it's the character. But I think if you give him a good movie with a good villian then it may put him back in the convos with being one of the greatest out there. But right now, that title goes to Batman or Spidey. Supes has fallen to Hulk and Wolvie levels............with Wolvie rising. :o

[FlawlessVictory]

EASY... Lex Luthor as the villain again... no big time villain... Kate Bosworth??? Give me a break... the trailers weren't that good... other than the bullet shot... it was just Supes flying around lifting things...

Exactly, been there, done that. The trailers showed this. It was Lex again for the 5,000 time in a Superman movie. Where was the hint at an epic fight sequence in the trailer? It wasn't there, because Lex was in the movie, AGAIN. :sleepy:

And to make things worse, Singer couldn't even bother to update Lex. :down

[Docker2.0]

Exactly, been there, done that. The trailers showed this. It was Lex again for the 5,000 time in a Superman movie. Where was the hint at an epic fight sequence in the trailer? It wasn't there, because Lex was in the movie, AGAIN. :sleepy:

And to make things worse, Singer couldn't even bother to update Lex. :down

Yeah that Lex was pretty gay. No pun intended. :o

[SLYspyder]

Yep! that's it! Dude has every power you can imagine and he's.............a boy scout! Not like Batman who beats up people or Spidey who has the drama. I too use to blame Singer but the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking it's the character. But I think if you give him a good movie with a good villian then it may put him back in the convos with being one of the greatest out there. But right now, that title goes to Batman or Spidey. Supes has fallen to Hulk and Wolvie levels............with Wolvie rising. :o


If we got a great movie, and it didn't perform, we would all agree that Superman has lost his appeal.
But we got a crap movie, and it didn't perform, you CAN NOT say he has lost his appeal.

What's the word on this movie? Is that KID Arnie Hammer still playing Batman?!

[Docker2.0]

If we got a great movie, and it didn't perform, we would all agree that Superman has lost his appeal.
But we got a crap movie, and it didn't perform, you CAN NOT say he has lost his appeal.

What's the word on this movie? Is that KID Arnie Hammer still playing Batman?!

Whatever dude. Believe what you want to believe. But there have been numerous polls and Supes tends to come in 3rd.......or less. I do think that if given a great movie, it would put him back up top. But still...................top 2 are Bats and Spidey.You'd have to be in COMPLETE denial if you can't admit that. :o

[newmexneon]

What is with the crappy title? Justice League Mortal? That doesn't even make sense. Is it because of the P.C. crap that they won't put America in the title? And even if it wasn't they could have atleast just called it Justice League or maybe Justice League United or something like that.

And by the way M.O. Steel, why do you have my girlfreind in your avatar?

[DIRECTOR]

i feel like this movie will cast Superman terrible wrong.

[FlawlessVictory]

What is with the crappy title? Justice League Mortal? That doesn't even make sense. Is it because of the P.C. crap that they won't put America in the title? And even if it wasn't they could have atleast just called it Justice League or maybe Justice League United or something like that.

Justice League Mortal is a horrendous title. I don't care if it's because these heroes are made out to be "mortal" sometime during the story or whatever the reason the story dictates.

Why not just Justice League? What's so hard about that? :huh: And then the sequel could be called...wait for it...Justice League 2! :wow: I could understand if there was already a JL movie made and they couldn't use that title so they had to think of something else. But this is the first live action JL movie. It doesn't make any sense. But then again, not much with this movie has made any sense.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

i feel like this movie will cast Superman terrible wrong.
I feel the movie will be awful in general!

[Webhead2006]

Well we dont even know if the title will stay that at all. Titles change all the time with films. I still think it will be jla here in the states and just be justice league internationally.

[Docker2.0]

I feel the movie will be awful in general!

I know! WTF is wrong with WB!!? I know people hard about Fox messing up but WB tends to do it constantly! They don't learn from their past mistakes at all which is ashame! :huh:

[The War Machine]

Things look bad, real bad...

but at least its not Tom Welling.

[Webhead2006]

And talking about cast i have said this many times since jan none of the rumored/predelayed cast is under contract. And if miller is out and a new director in probably none of miller's cast will be back. Some think if this goes down at most maybe common and possibly brody would still be in the cast. But we dont know untill WB puts out official word.

[protocida]

How many times we'll have to repeat Superman and Batman are not yeat cast?

[Webhead2006]

Yea like i was saying no one is cast currently, if miller stays then yes his cast is most likely to return if he is out doubtfull any would be back as i was talking about.

[Docker2.0]

Things look bad, real bad...

but at least its not Tom Welling. You keep Welling out of this!! :cmad:

And talking about cast i have said this many times since jan none of the rumored/predelayed cast is under contract. And if miller is out and a new director in probably none of miller's cast will be back. Some think if this goes down at most maybe common and possibly brody would still be in the cast. But we dont know untill WB puts out official word.

Sad to say........................I think Miller will do this film with this horrible cast and this movie will underachieve. Not bomb, but underachieve.

[SLYspyder]

Whatever dude. Believe what you want to believe. But there have been numerous polls and Supes tends to come in 3rd.......or less. I do think that if given a great movie, it would put him back up top. But still...................top 2 are Bats and Spidey.You'd have to be in COMPLETE denial if you can't admit that. :o

I'm not in denial about that. But your previous comments make it seem like Superman is not in the same league as Spider-Man or Batman, which he still is.

[Showtime]

Is that why you're a mod now? Perhaps to fill out something that suck in your life right now. ;)

I couldn't find it. I'm an idiot.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You were right. :woot:

I win?

[Webhead2006]

You keep Welling out of this!! :cmad:



Sad to say........................I think Miller will do this film with this horrible cast and this movie will underachieve. Not bomb, but underachieve.
Its possible but we wont know for sure untill WB officially says any thing about it. But since he really wants to stay in austrila and not move if the film does end up moving to canada like rumors have been saying for awhile he could be gone and we can hope we get a better suited director come in and a more decent cast for the roles. Hopefully WB wises up and doesnt let the crappy script and mostly bad cast happen.

[Showtime]

Yeah that Lex was pretty gay. No pun intended. :o

Let's not go down that road here.

[Retroman]

Yeah but JLA is a far more bigger movie then Wolverine. Yes i think every movie would want some tax rebate but i think the higher budget your is , the higher the "need" for such a rebate.
I know Wolverine is highly anticipated but would the budget be as high as JLA. :huh:
We are talking about a 200 million dollar movie here .
Wolverine's budget is over 100 million dollars and it's got a large australian contigent too. But it's not Australian and doesn't claim to be like Miller is doing with Justice League.

If Miller really wants to help the the film industry there he'd keep JLA in Sydney.
Sucks that Australia won't get it but Canada seems to be working out fine. Why doesn't WB just move the whole production o GErmany. Things seems to be working out very fine for the wachowskis. Their last three movies have been/are going to be made at Babelsberg. V for Vendetta , Speed Racer and Ninja Assasin
Anything is possible now it seems.

[TheComicbookKid]

Is this movie still eligible for the 15% discount like Returns?

[Retroman]

^^Yes

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[theShape]

This movie is a baaaaaaaaad idea. And why is it called "Justice League Mortal" in the article from the main SHH page?

[Webhead2006]

That is jsut a title that was rumored a month or so ago, dont know where the mortal part came from but as others have said titles change all the time with some films. If/when the film goes down i bet it will just end up being justice league for international releases and will be justice league of america for north american releases. Heck do u remember at some point around aug-oct last year their was a rumor it was getting retitled to american heroes. We wont know what the title will be untill it actually starts filming and WB comitts to one.

[Docker2.0]

Its possible but we wont know for sure untill WB officially says any thing about it. But since he really wants to stay in austrila and not move if the film does end up moving to canada like rumors have been saying for awhile he could be gone and we can hope we get a better suited director come in and a more decent cast for the roles. Hopefully WB wises up and doesnt let the crappy script and mostly bad cast happen.
I pray you are right but this is the WB we are talking about. I don't know. They just don't seem to get it when it comes to their properties! I remember the Green Lantern talks with Jack Black. JACK BLACK!!! WTF!?!?!?! :cmad:
Let's not go down that road here.

I know, I know! I couldn't resist! :woot:

[Docker2.0]

I'm not in denial about that. But your previous comments make it seem like Superman is not in the same league as Spider-Man or Batman, which he still is.

Do me a favor............check every poll that you can locate and see who are the top 4 superheroes. Spiderman and Batman are always number 1 and 2. Superman finishes 3 most of the time but i have seen polls where Wolverine and even Thor has beaten him. Case in point? There is one on Wizard world now. :o

[Jake Cassidy]

I win?

Yes

[TheComicbookKid]

^^Yes




They'll probably just opt for the 15% discount then and just hope the movie makes buttloads of money. If Speed Racer does phenomenally, then I think it will give the WB the confidence to move with the CGI'd JL.

The crappy dollar means it's going to be expensive anywhere. They've already got set there so just go.

[Webhead2006]

But would they want to stay with this direction miller is going with, they dont seem like they want to continue with his direction.

[TheComicbookKid]

What direction? As far as we know, the only thing that might be troubling the WB is the cast. They got the original writers back. It was Miller's rewrites that stank up the place.

[Webhead2006]

Well hopefully one way or another we get some better people in the cast, if it moves lets hope everything works out and we get a good film.

[Brainiac58]

^^Yes

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Wow, good find Retroman. What are the tax incentives like in New Zealand?

[Webhead2006]

its 15% i believe.

[GreenKToo]

^^Yes

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Kool. It seems no one knows the correct title name yet.

[Webhead2006]

well we would not know officially what the title will be untill it actually starts filming and the company decided on a final title. As others have said titles can change all the time for films. I believe it will just end up being jl internationally and jla for north american release.

[FaT_tONle]

Justice League Mortal is a horrendous title. I don't care if it's because these heroes are made out to be "mortal" sometime during the story or whatever the reason the story dictates.

Why not just Justice League? What's so hard about that? :huh: And then the sequel could be called...wait for it...Justice League 2! :wow: I could understand if there was already a JL movie made and they couldn't use that title so they had to think of something else. But this is the first live action JL movie. It doesn't make any sense. But then again, not much with this movie has made any sense.

I agree... but if they make sequels... they should use something other than numbers... JLA 2/3... for solo heroes you can basically call it 2/3/4/5 so on and so forth. Ensemble and I prefer the title related more closely to the plot or have a phrase following it like X-Men did.

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be a good idea. But untill film starts rolling we will probably not know what the final title will be.

[The Major]

Do me a favor............check every poll that you can locate and see who are the top 4 superheroes. Spiderman and Batman are always number 1 and 2. Superman finishes 3 most of the time but i have seen polls where Wolverine and even Thor has beaten him. Case in point? There is one on Wizard world now. :o

Wizard isn't the titan it used to be. It's glory days are long gone thanks to the internet.

[Maze]

^^Yes

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:yay: good job retro :)

the thing is Weta Workshop is situated in Wellington :o

http://www.wetaworkshop.co.nz/

[Showtime]

Kool. It seems no one knows the correct title name yet.

The New Justice League of Zealand

[Captain Planet!]

The Brave Bold Super-Powered Mortal American Justice-Supporters Society

[GreenKToo]

The New Justice League of Zealand
heh.:woot:
How about super powered hyper force tea....wait, thats taken.
How about just supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

[jmc]

heh.:woot:
How about super powered hyper force tea....wait, thats taken.
How about just supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

I'll go you one better

Superfriendsmakesfansbalisticmillerisatrocious

[Mogwai]

^^wow, lol.

[Webhead2006]

how about if.miller.stays.this.will.be.a.craptastic.film.and .totally.will.flop lol.

[Jake Cassidy]

"We're Gonna Make This Movie And If You Fanboys Don't Like It You Can Kiss Our Arses"

[Hectorminator]

"Extended Smallville Episode--The Movie"


or

"The Baby Justice League"


or

"We've never heard of Alex Ross"

[Orin]

It would be to damn funny to come back to all these postings, after this movie is released and well received... ;)

[Webhead2006]

yes it would be, for me if miller stays i hope we just get a better cast so atless the roles look good. if miller is out hopefully new director goes in a new and better direction.

[Showtime]

Technically there is no cast either way, a cast was never officially announced.

[GreenKToo]

Technically there is no cast either way, a cast was never officially announced.
True, just rumors of casting is all we've heard so far, BUT where there's smoke there's fire.:cwink:

I hope someone from W.B. has seen the reactions to this rumored cast and take note of it.

[theShape]

There are too many issues surrounding this project. The smart thing would be to abandon it now and possibly revisit it years later.

[Webhead2006]

true but if miller stays it is possibly all if his mostly crap cast could be back. But if it does move and a new director we could see a totally new cast and maybe common or probably brody coming over.

[Prefix]

It would be to damn funny to come back to all these postings, after this movie is released and well received... ;)
X-Men 3 was a financial success, and the first Fantastic Four movie made a good amount of money. Spider-Man 3 broke records.

These movies aren't always well-received because they're good.

[Orin]

Acutally, by well received, i meant well received at the box office and by the critics... ;)

[I Am The Knight]

"Well received" can mean anything.

[I Am The Knight]

Never mind.

[protocida]

Webhead, what happened with the ''Wait and see''?

[Webhead2006]

I am still in that mind set but currently we dont know what the hell will go down with all this move to canada and miller could be out stuff going on.

[protocida]

I Was refering to the ''craptastic if Miller is on''.

Took me by surprise.

[Webhead2006]

oh i was just making a joke.

[Nightwing1977]

I win?

If you weren't a mod, nope. You sure got away with that one, being a mod & all. :oldrazz:



"We've never heard of Alex Ross"



LMAO!! That joke is amusing & just so random. :hehe: :hehe:

And I think the movie should be call "Justice League: It Suck & Miller is rich". :yellow:

[BULLITT]

I guess they want to take the reigns from 'Ishtar", and 'Water World'.

[Showtime]

Say hello to "Alfred"...

http://www.lasplash.com/uploads/1/pope_dreams_7.jpg

Stephen Tobolowsky

[protocida]

Is this official?

[Showtime]

It's running around the rumor mill.

[M.O.Steel]

good actor. although i wouldn't think alfred would make it to a JLA movie.

[Maze]

Say hello to "Alfred"...

http://www.lasplash.com/uploads/1/pope_dreams_7.jpg

Stephen Tobolowsky


MAD MAX - MILLER MAD ABOUT AUSTRALIA'S JUSTICE LEAGUE FUMBLE




MAD MAX director GEORGE MILLER has blasted film bosses in his native Australia for failing to give the producers of his new superheroes movie JUSTICE LEAGUE the cash incentives they needed to film Down Under. The explosive blockbuster was set to start shooting in Australia in June (08) - after delays caused by the Hollywood writers strike - but now the film, tentatively titled Justice League Mortal, is set for relocation. And Miller is annoyed that Aussie movie bigwigs couldn't save the shoot - by refusing to give producers major cost-cutting cash incentives they were expecting. He rages, "A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking. "If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs." Meanwhile, in casting news for the film, Heroes star Stephen Tobolowsky is reportedly in negotiations to play Batman's butler Alfred in the movie, which will star Adam Brody, Megan Gale, Common and Armie Hammer.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/miller%20mad%20about%20australias%20justice%20leag ue%20fumble_1063356

[Showtime]

There ya go, I don't know what website that is, but it seems a report at least.

[Maze]

Yup.

The exact same article there . dunno the reliability of those sites.

http://www.pr-inside.com/miller-mad-about-australia-s-justice-league-r498925.htm

[Showtime]

Never heard of any of these websites, but at least the possible casting of this guy is out there. Not that I like it or dislike it.

[Maze]

Good actor imo.

but he "seems" younger than a Michael Caine (and he is indeed :D ;) ) .. soo without concluding anything it could mean "a" Hammer ..:o :woot: :cwink:

[Showtime]

He's a little different.

He is a sidekick actor though, he can play humor and deadpan easily.

I think Tim Curry would make a good Alfred actually.

The problem here is, this means they will be showing Batman as Bruce Wayne, most likely, I heard and hoped they wouldn't.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why don't WB just drop this movie for now. It sounds like everything is a big fat mess right now. I say drop this movie and drop Bryan Singer then reboot Superman's ass into a good franchise.

[Maze]

He's a little different.

He is a sidekick actor though, he can play humor and deadpan easily.

I think Tim Curry would make a good Alfred actually.

The problem here is, this means they will be showing Batman as Bruce Wayne, most likely, I heard and hoped they wouldn't.

Tim Curry could be great indeed.

Yup , i'm pretty sure that they will show Bruce Wayne now.

early review of the script ( which normally have changed) talked about Alfred reminding Bruce Wayne (in the batcave as Batman? )of a meeting with maxwell Lord ..

[Maze]

03-20-2008

As much as I love Sydney, there's quite a few things that piss me off as well about my hometown. Next-to-no late night shopping or dining, one of the least-friendly bar scenes of any first-world city I've ever experienced, and being behind the U.S. by months (in some cases years) in regards to TV shows, films, gadgets and cars - and even then paying twice as much for the same product.

More pertinent though is the unnecessary arrogance and stubborness of the local film industry bodies and their Government regulators. As the world heads toward economic recession, a few key bureaucrats seem to prefer sticking their heads in the sand rather than actually trying to diversify and/or compete on an international level - something the actual workers on the sound stages and in the FX & technical labs have been successfuly doing for many years.

A few years ago that close-minded cowardice saw two young Aussie filmmakers have to go to the U.S. to get their little indie film "Saw" made - and in the process losing out on one of the most profitable (albeit not particularly prestigious) film franchises in recent history. Today came another blow as the George Miller-directed $200 million "Justice League" movie looks like it will have to be shot overseas (probably Canada or Eastern Europe) after it was refused the Federal Government's new film production rebate.

Under the new system, films deemed "significantly Australian" are eligible for a 40% rebate. At present 'League' is under a 15% rebate deal - but with the American dollar falling so quickly on the market, the Australian dollar has become so strong that a 15% rebate is worth practically nothing. Because almost all of the cast and crew involved in the film's making are Australian, the production hoped to get that 40% rebate - until it was turned down this week.

According to The Sydney Morning Herald, the decision over the project - which will now be entitled "Justice League Mortal" - has made Miller understandably upset - "A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the Australian film industry is being frittered away because of very lazy thinking. If that's going to be the final decision, they're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that the rest of the world is competing for and, much more significantly, highly skilled creative jobs."

Opponents have lobbied against the film's eligibility since its halt of production in January, claiming that it should not be available for big-budget movies not developed by Australian filmmakers from inception. Miller (and I very much support him on this) says that the industry needs movie franchises, even if they were not identifiably Australian, to boost production, improve skills and draw talent back from overseas - "New Zealand built up their franchises through Hercules and Xena into Lord of the Rings. Now they're doing three Tintin films, two more Hobbit films and Halo. They've got work for 15 years in that country" he says.

In other 'League' news, "Heroes" star Stephen Tobolowsky is rumored to be playing Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce Wayne's loyal butler.

http://www.hypebeast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1009626

[Captain Planet!]

The problem here is, this means they will be showing Batman as Bruce Wayne, most likely, I heard and hoped they wouldn't.
Not true. They could have a Batcave scene.

[I Am The Knight]

03-20-2008



http://www.hypebeast.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1009626

That's a very good article. Thanks, Maze. Miller is right, Australia should embrace this movie...

[Maze]

Not true. They could have a Batcave scene.

yup if they have completly rewriten that imo
Batman hears a noise behind him and closes down the interface just before Alfred appears to speak with him about Bruce Wayne’s upcoming business meeting with business tycoon Maxwell Lord.

There you go Bat-fans: Alfred is in the JLA movie—or at least he’s in the script right now.

As Batman and Alfred depart the Batcave they don’t see the computer switch itself back on or the override for the Brother Eye program accessed remotelyWhomever is using the device resumes spying on Detective Jones/Martian Manhunter..

It could imply that at one point we Wayne having a meeting with Lord imo.it could happen off screen but it's very doubful.

we'll have to wait and see :o :woot: :cwink:

[Maze]

That's a very good article. Thanks, Maze. Miller is right, Australia should embrace this movie...

your welcome :yay:

yup i understand their pov but i think too they should embrace it yep.

[FlawlessVictory]

He's a little different.

He is a sidekick actor though, he can play humor and deadpan easily.

I think Tim Curry would make a good Alfred actually.

The problem here is, this means they will be showing Batman as Bruce Wayne, most likely, I heard and hoped they wouldn't.

Agreed, I hope we don't see Hammer as Wayne. Hopefully we will just get this:

Not true. They could have a Batcave scene.



Why don't WB just drop this movie for now. It sounds like everything is a big fat mess right now. I say drop this movie and drop Bryan Singer then reboot Superman's ass into a good franchise.

:up:

[protocida]

It's only a Batcave scene. Maybe, other scene with a hooded Batman.

[I Am The Knight]

That sounds kinky for some reason....:o :woot:

[jmc]

your welcome :yay:

yup i understand their pov but i think too they should embrace it yep.

If they're willing to take the 15% tax rebate we'll embrace it, simply put, the film is not Australian and doesn't qualify for 40% tax rebate, it's up to Warner Bros, not the Aus government, as to whether the film stays, WB can either suck it up and be grateful they're getting some sort of discount, or can piss off elsewhere.

[Webhead2006]

Well cool news about the guy who could be alfred. But it does really count if the film stays in Oz or if it moves to canada if miller stays. Who really knows what is going to happen.

[KBX]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/miller%20mad%20about%20australias%20justice%20leag ue%20fumble_1063356

Great job as always Maze...

Casting of Alfred doesn't really do anything for me. As stated I do expect Bruce Wayne to show up a few times, if its in the batcave or with Lord.

I still expect this movie to be like the JLU episode. Where everyone is always in uniform, and never out of it. Anybody catch The Batman finale with the league? I thought it was a little funny with Bruce knowing the weakness of the other league members..

I remember him on Heroes, but won't make or break with movie....

[nintendo nerd]

edit

[nintendo nerd]

George Miller has just decided to change all the JL cast for some known and recognized actors.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/826232.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1936808AB6AB7C5FBABCB134DD500D9AF91 284831B75F48EF45


Dawson - Aquaman

Cruise's wife - Wonder Woman

Pacey - Batman

Michelle Williams - Hawkgirl

Jack - Superman

The other girl - Supergirl

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jrd550]

yeah I hope he doesn't make a WB version of JLA.

[Orin]

Yeah, i think with a cast that, even without Hugh Keays-Byrne, has an average age of like 29 years that's very likely... :whatever:

[Showtime]

Tim Curry could be great indeed.

Yup , i'm pretty sure that they will show Bruce Wayne now.

early review of the script ( which normally have changed) talked about Alfred reminding Bruce Wayne (in the batcave as Batman? )of a meeting with maxwell Lord ..

Not true. They could have a Batcave scene.

They could show him in the batcave, but they could also show him in any number of locations...

[Webhead2006]

well as i said we got to remember currently none of his cast is under contract any more since the delay in jan. And if the film moves to canada and he doesnt stay with the film its unlikely any of his cast will be asked to come back by wb and/or new director. So really like i and others have said its up to Wb right now with what they will do with the film. So Lets hope they wise up and get a better cast signed instead of most of the crap miller has.

[M.O.Steel]

George Miller has just decided to change all the JL cast for some known and recognized actors.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/826232.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1936808AB6AB7C5FBABCB134DD500D9AF91 284831B75F48EF45


Dawson - Aquaman

Cruise's wife - Wonder Woman

Pacey - Batman

Michelle Williams - Hawkgirl

Jack - Superman

The other girl - Supergirl

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whoa...is that julian mcmahon??

[Orin]

well as i said we got to remember currently none of his cast is under contract any more since the delay in jan. And if the film moves to canada and he doesnt stay with the film its unlikely any of his cast will be asked to come back by wb and/or new director.
Who says Miller's gonna leave? The way i see it, there's not even one credible source that claims Warner is even considering having him removed if they're gonna move to Canada. It's just fanboy speculation, that's based on wishful thinking...

Btw,

Cotrona - 27 (will turn 28 before shooting is suppost to happen, which would make him the oldest first time Superman actor EVER)
Hammer - 21 (would turn 22 during the shoot, which is only one year younger than Lewis Wilson, the first actor who ever played a live action version of the character, was when he played the role)
Gale - 31 (would turn 32 during the shoot, which is 8 years older than Lynda Carter was when she first played the role)
Common - 35 (will turn 36 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Cabrera - 29 ((will turn 30 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Brody - 28

Seriously, what the hell are people thinking when they're talking about a "Teen Titans" cast?

[Orin]

whoa...is that julian mcmahon??
At the right? No, that's Kerr Smith!

[M.O.Steel]

At the right? No, that's Kerr Smith!

oh ok. oh man, the resemblance is uncanny.

[Webhead2006]

Who says Miller's gonna leave? The way i see it, there's not even one credible source that claims Warner is even considering having him removed if they're gonna move to Canada. It's just fanboy speculation, that's based on wishful thinking...

Btw,

Cotrona - 28 (will turn 29 before shooting is suppost to happen, which would make him the oldest first time Superman actor EVER)
Hammer - 21 (would turn 22 during the shoot, which is only one year younger than Lewis Wilson, the first actor who ever played a live action version of the character, was when he played the role)
Gale - 31 (would turn 32 during the shoot, which is 8 years older than Lynda Carter was when she first played the role)
Common - 35 (will turn 36 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Cabrera - 29 ((will turn 30 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Brody - 28

Seriously, what the hell are people thinking when they're talking about a "Teen Titans" cast?
Yea its funny when people were saying teen titan casting, really its only hammer who is the youngest. But you would think hiring a 32 yr old ww and a 35 common for Gl they would have got a early/mid 30s batman too cause a younger batman isnt right for JLA. Then the whole issue with hammer and cotrona are just not right for the roles they are said to be. As for the miller thing when the talks of move to canada came out it likely miller wouldnt stay with the production if it moves since he wants to stay in Oz to help the Oz film industry and likes to work there and all that. So as i have said many times we dont know what is going to happen right now and i know show and others hate me repeating this we just have to wait and see what ends up going down.

[FlawlessVictory]

Cotrona - 28 (will turn 29 before shooting is suppost to happen, which would make him the oldest first time Superman actor EVER)
Hammer - 21 (would turn 22 during the shoot, which is only one year younger than Lewis Wilson, the first actor who ever played a live action version of the character, was when he played the role)
Gale - 31 (would turn 32 during the shoot, which is 8 years older than Lynda Carter was when she first played the role)
Common - 35 (will turn 36 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Cabrera - 29 ((will turn 30 before shooting is suppost to happen)
Brody - 28

Seriously, what the hell are people thinking when they're talking about a "Teen Titans" cast?

I go by appearance. Sometimes an actor is too scrawny looking or baby faced or youthful looking to convincingly play one of the greatest superheroes of all time who happens to be part of a team (which means this superhero would have already had at least a little bit of history fighting crime by him or herself). Hammer is much too young looking to play a Batman that has supposedly already travelled the world and has had some decent solo crime fighting experience

Cotrona's sleazy look and small frame are my issues with him. Brody needs to put some meat on those bones. Hopefully he is doing so. I know we don't need a body builder looking Flash but that guy is a stick. I'm fine with Common and Gale.

[Webhead2006]

Yea my only issues with the current casting is hammer since he is so young compared to the other actors and Batman should be in 30s too. As for cotrona his hispanic and as others have said sleazy look and small frame, and the height difference between cotrona and hammer are just not right. Personally i dont see what made miller pick these two cause i dont see bats and supes in them. Yes i said in the past i was growing on hammer for bats but if he is bats to cotrona it just isnt right. They should have found people who had more of the bats/bruce and the supes/clark look to them then hammer and cotrona.

[M.O.Steel]

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/11/justice_league_movie_cast_as_cheaply.html

i don't care about the age, cause DJ controna looks like a TERRIBLE choice for superman...no WAY.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Cotrona is by far the worst of the bunch. Although, I don't like Hammer, mostly due to his youthful appearance, at least he has a good build and a good voice. Plus, Batman gets to hide behind a costume that covers his face. Superman can't hide behind anything. His casting is so key and Cotrona to me, just seems so wrong.

[Webhead2006]

DJ Cotrona:
http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/j/justice_league_screen_test_071015/dj_cotrona.jpg
He doesnt have the superman look or height to me. I wonder what miller saw in him? And how could WB seriously take him.
Chris Reeve:
http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/325/chris_reeve.jpg

Kirk Alyn:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/serials/kirk2.jpg

George Reeves:
http://www.twinsoulsmerging.com/images/superman.jpg

Dean Cain:
http://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/smallville_dean_cain_2.jpg

John Haymes Newton(Superboy 1):
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/e4/cf/82f4024128a015b2181fb010.L.jpg

Gerard Christopher(Superboy 2):
http://www.popcornfor2.com/movies/images/superman/super_24.jpg

[M.O.Steel]

i mean he's agood looking guy, but doesn't look like superman at all. i honestly hope there was something good that Millar/WB saw in him that isn't obvious in his pics.

[Mogwai]

controna looks good! give him some fakey-blue contacts and we've got ourselves a superman.

[M.O.Steel]

controna looks good! give him some fakey-blue contacts and we've got ourselves a superman.

sarcastic? or are you serious?

[Webhead2006]

Out of the rumor names we heard for supes, dj cotrona, daniel cudmore, and scott porter. If i had to pick out of names like those even though they are all not perfect i rather have Porter for supes then Dj. I would love welling more or someone who atless looks more like supes like people are saying michael trucco. Trucco or welling would be loads better then the crap we heard. Look at this gif:
http://i32.tinypic.com/29xt3c.gif

[Webhead2006]

U think a small build 5'9 sleazy hispanic guy is right for superman?(nothing against other races) But if Hammer is Bats at 6'5 it is all off even with camera angles, lifts, and trick photography.

[Mogwai]

sarcastic? or are you serious?

no, really. i'd give him a chance.

[Webhead2006]

He just doesnt have the look, build, height or presence of a superman. I could not take him serious as superman. I would rather see a tom welling, michael trucco, or someone who more resembles the character then cotrona.

[FlawlessVictory]

Out of the rumor names we heard for supes, dj cotrona, daniel cudmore, and scott porter. If i had to pick out of names like those even though they are all not perfect i rather have Porter for supes then Dj. I would love welling more or someone who atless looks more like supes like people are saying michael trucco. Trucco or welling would be loads better then the crap we heard. Look at this gif:
http://i32.tinypic.com/29xt3c.gif

Now that looks like someone that can pull off Superman! :wow::up::supes:

This is the kind of casting JL needs! :cmad::csad:

[Webhead2006]

Yea someone like michael, a welling or even an unknown actor who has the look and presence of superman would be better then the crap names we have seen. How could they really take cotrona serious as their TOP HERO.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yea someone like michael, a welling or even an unknown actor who has the look and presence of superman would be better then the crap names we have seen. How could they really take cotrona serious as their TOP HERO.

I'd rather they stay away from Welling and just keep him tied to that world of Smallville. I'm fine with an unknown, but like you said, have that look and a presence of Superman.

[Webhead2006]

Here is a youtube clip of him talking and u can see how he looks moving around, it is just a interview clip i couldnt find some action clips of him from BSG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0

[Webhead2006]

I'd rather they stay away from Welling and just keep him tied to that world of Smallville. I'm fine with an unknown, but like you said, have that look and a presence of Superman.
Yea the actor for supes First needs to look the part and then secondly have the presence to pull him off. Cotrona has neither for me and i dont see how WB could sign off on him. Yes they have made stupid choices in the past but i dont see them going this wrong for superman. Routh atless had the look of superman it was the writing and making him play superman like reeve which sucked in SR.

[FlawlessVictory]

Here is a youtube clip of him talking and u can see how he looks moving around, it is just a interview clip i couldnt find some action clips of him from BSG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0

He definitely has my vote. :up:

[bunk]

Here is a youtube clip of him talking and u can see how he looks moving around, it is just a interview clip i couldnt find some action clips of him from BSG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w08D_xahC0


That clip doesn't make me want to see him as Superman. He only looks like the part in a few pictures, not on film.

[Webhead2006]

well maybe if it was an action clip from bsg would be better but all i found is music vids.

[GreenKToo]

I can't see Cotrona as Supes, I just can't.
Now the dude may be a great actor and all, But he looks nothing like Supes to me.

[M.O.Steel]

U think a small build 5'9 sleazy hispanic guy is right for superman?(nothing against other races) But if Hammer is Bats at 6'5 it is all off even with camera angles, lifts, and trick photography.

wow...that's a big discrepency. why don't they just switch?

[Orin]

Yea its funny when people were saying teen titan casting, really its only hammer who is the youngest. But you would think hiring a 32 yr old ww and a 35 common for Gl they would have got a early/mid 30s batman too cause a younger batman isnt right for JLA. Then the whole issue with hammer and cotrona are just not right for the roles they are said to be.
I think with the cast they've got, they could easily portray all the heroes being in their late twenties, which i think would be the ideal age for the movie they're doing. Since it's not an origin story (where they should be in their mid-twenties) but it's still the first movie of something they is suppost to become a movie franchise with sequels and all. (which is why thirtysomethings would be to old)

As for the miller thing when the talks of move to canada came out it likely miller wouldnt stay with the production if it moves since he wants to stay in Oz to help the Oz film industry and likes to work there and all that.
I don't think he'd give up that movie to help a film industry about which he basically said it would be lost if it dosn't give his movie the 40 % tax break.
I go by appearance. Sometimes an actor is too scrawny looking or baby faced or youthful looking to convincingly play one of the greatest superheroes of all time who happens to be part of a team (which means this superhero would have already had at least a little bit of history fighting crime by him or herself).
I don't think any of the cast members are scrawny looking or baby faced/youthful looking, except for maybe Brody, who looks like 2-3 years younger than he actually is. But since he would be the Flash, i'd be fine with that. Same thing goes for his body, which i think is okay for an speedster. I mean, do you really want people who have bodys like the characters in the comics? They would have to cast 7 wrestlers. ;)

Hammer is much too young looking to play a Batman that has supposedly already travelled the world and has had some decent solo crime fighting experience
I have to disagree. In that Desperate Housewives episode he appeared, which was filmed like one year or so ago, he looked at least 25 to me. So he could easily play a Batman, who has ben active for like 5 years or so. You know, just because they had a 30 year old guy playing the role, when he first became Batman in Begins dosen't mean that's the only way to go. ;)

Cotrona's sleazy look and small frame are my issues with him. Brody needs to put some meat on those bones. Hopefully he is doing so. I know we don't need a body builder looking Flash but that guy is a stick. I'm fine with Common and Gale.
I'd say we should really wait until we've seen shots of these guys in costume, before we decide if they're really so wrong looking for the parts or not. Who knows how their bodys are gonna look in like July? When i looked at random pictures of Brandon Routh, he didn't look like Superman to me one bit. But they made him up to look as close to the character as possible and now a lot of people say, he looks perfect for the role, which i think has just a lot to do with the fact that he's already played it. And i'm sure if Hammer and Cotrona stay and the movie is released, there will be people who see the ideal actors Batman and Superman in them. I really don't get all the panic. It's not like they're fat, black midget chicks or anything. Cotrona might be a little bit smaller than most of the actors who played Superman in the past and Hammer is a few years younger, sure. But IMO that really aren't the most important factors, that will decide if this movie is gonna be good or not. I mean, i can totally understand that people are a little bit worried about this two untypical choices, but i think we shouldn't overreact. If you think "man, those two guys just sucked like hell" after you've seen the movie, bash them all you want. But as for now, it can only speculated about that. I for one think people like George Miller and Barrie Osborne know a little bit more about good actors and how to make a good movie than fanboys on internet boards. And i don't believe they'd want to destroy their carrers by making a movie with terrible actors based on a terrible script. So could we just wait for the movie to be released before we wish Miller, Cotrona and Hammer to hell? Cause if the movie and their acting is gonna be good, i don't think anyone will care about the height of Cotrona or the age of Hammer anymore. Frankly, i think the movie will be done in a way, you won't even see that Hammer is actually taller than Cotrona. And even if, Superman wasn't as tall as Wonder Woman in New Frontier and nobody cared. They do things like that all the time when they're translating Superheros into other media. They made Kyle Rayner the first earth Lantern and John Stewart the second one, they changed origins and even looks of Batman villains alomst completely. (which even redefined the comic book versions of some of these guys) IMO, in a movie not everything has to be the same as it is in the comic book, or fit into comics continuity. Not even the fanboy favorite movie Batman Begins is. As long as it's overall true to the source martial, i have no problem with small changes, if they're good for the story or the team dynamic. And the height of Superman or the age of Batman aren't the essential points that make that characters who they are.

U think a small build 5'9 sleazy hispanic guy is right for superman?(nothing against other races)
Actually, Cotrona isn't hispanic but half-italien. ;)

[FlawlessVictory]

You're too level headed, Orin. That's not acceptable on the Hype. :cwink:

I like Common and Gale. Not impressed with Brody but no big deal. I'm even willing to bend on Hammer. I just don't see it in Cotrona. Everyone else I can see at least a little something. Cotrona is just not working for me.

[Showtime]

Out of the rumor names we heard for supes, dj cotrona, daniel cudmore, and scott porter. If i had to pick out of names like those even though they are all not perfect i rather have Porter for supes then Dj. I would love welling more or someone who atless looks more like supes like people are saying michael trucco. Trucco or welling would be loads better then the crap we heard. Look at this gif:
http://i32.tinypic.com/29xt3c.gif

I am one of the biggest supporters of Trucco for Superman in JLA or a Superman Reboot. I liked Routh for what it is worth, but Trucco would be a fantastic Superman.

[Showtime]

I would have no problem with Scott Porter cast as Superman in JLA, I think he has the look...

http://a.movies.com/i/news/porter_big_g.jpg

I can see that DJ COULD look like Superman if fixed up, but his height really works against him. He would not be my first choice to put it mildly.

http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/rsz/434/x/x/x/medias/nmedia/18/36/31/29/18755362.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Yea for cotrona it is just his looks and height that isnt giving me the look and presence of superman for me. I can be fine with hammer if they work it right and all that but really hammer as bats next to cotrona supes just still would look off for me. Yes i know camera tricks and camera angles could make them look simular height but why would they want to waste time and effects money trying to fix heights on characters when they could have more easily just got actors for bats and supes who are 6'0-6'4.

And yea if it was really between porter and dj at one time i rather take porter for supes then dj. Porter still isnt the perfect person for the role but i could see superman more in him then dj.

[Orin]

You're too level headed, Orin. That's not acceptable on the Hype. :cwink:
LOL, i see! :woot:


I like Common and Gale. Not impressed with Brody but no big deal. I'm even willing to bend on Hammer. I just don't see it in Cotrona. Everyone else I can see at least a little something. Cotrona is just not working for me.
Nothing wrong with that! ;)

[Webhead2006]

Yea all the other people could work out fine, hammer if they play it right and all that. Its just cotrona that is so off compared to all other past superman related actors.

[Orin]

Yeah, but what makes him so off compared to all other past superman related actors? Pretty much only his height. And like i said, there are plenty of actors, who played comic book characters, without looking like exactly like them. Keaton was too small for Batman and didn't look like Bruce Wayne does in the comics at all, but he was still well received. They always cast someone as Alfred, who's much older and looks completely different than the character does in the comics. There is no version of the Joker that looks Ledgers age and the character is usually drawn much skinnier than Heath was. Liam Neeson dosn't look like he's from arabic decent. Tom Wilkinson, Cillian Murphy and Tim Booth look nothing like the characters they played. Two-Face isn't blonde. Morgan Freeman is way older than Lucius Fox is in the comics. And Lucius Fox didn't work for Thomas Wayne. The Batsuit in the Nolan Movies dosn't resemble the suit from the comics at all. Same thing with the Batmobile. Characters like Ras al Ghul or Scarecorw got alomost completely different backgrounds, motivations and characterizations. The Jokes wears Make-Up. Batman is trained by a Ras al Ghul, who hides behind a different identity instead of using his pit. Tailia isn't introduced before her father. Batman meets Scarecrow before he faces the Joker and Catwoman for the first time. There are characters like Rachel Dawes or Earl in Batmans origin story, that have never appeard in any comic book. Bruce Wayne is trying to kill the mutder of his parents in the court, before he even decides to become a crime fighter, which also never happend in any comic book. Nobody seems to care about all that stuff, but Superman not being 6' 3 feet tall, Batman being only 21 years old, John Stewart being the Green Lantern of the Justice League and everything else about this movie that isn't exactly like the comic book seems to be such a big deal. I don't get it...

[GreenKToo]

Superman is supposed to be around 6'2/6'3 with a large body frame, and Batman should be shorter than supes, not taller.
Sure they could use camera tricks like in The LOTR's films, but way waste all that money doing that when they could just cast actors that have the right height and look to start with.

I'm not opposed to any actor that looks the part and can act playing supes, but for me anyway cotrona doesnt have it.

[batman strikes]

I admit that Trucco has the look but don't you guys think he might be a little old at 38 years of age, for a movie that will end up being a trilogy. In my opinion they shouldn't go any older than 35 or 36 because then by the time there on the third the person wouldn't have aged that much, he be around 42 or 43.

[Webhead2006]

Yea thats the only drawback on trucco he is currently 37/38 yrs old i belive. But he looks loads better then most of the crap names going for supes.

[batman strikes]

Your right about that. I guess all the people who think he might be to old for the movie, including me, can look at actors like Robert Downey Jr. and Edward Norton, who are already in there late thirties early forty's, and they look great in there parts.

[Webhead2006]

Yea.

[M.O.Steel]

i don't like the choice of cotrona. and no, don't make this a race thing because it has nothing to do with him being hispanic. he just doesn't look like a good superman. i like this turco guy, where did his name come from, or is he just a fan-favorite. i wouldn't mind scott porter either.

but i will wait till i see him in either clark or superman uniform to fully reject him.

[M.O.Steel]

Out of the rumor names we heard for supes, dj cotrona, daniel cudmore, and scott porter. If i had to pick out of names like those even though they are all not perfect i rather have Porter for supes then Dj. I would love welling more or someone who atless looks more like supes like people are saying michael trucco. Trucco or welling would be loads better then the crap we heard. Look at this gif:
http://i32.tinypic.com/29xt3c.gif

i'm not sure what more you can ask for. this guy gets my vote.

[I Am The Knight]

Interesting.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, but what makes him so off compared to all other past superman related actors? Pretty much only his height. And like i said, there are plenty of actors, who played comic book characters, without looking like exactly like them. Keaton was too small for Batman and didn't look like Bruce Wayne does in the comics at all, but he was still well received. They always cast someone as Alfred, who's much older and looks completely different than the character does in the comics. There is no version of the Joker that looks Ledgers age and the character is usually drawn much skinnier than Heath was. Liam Neeson dosn't look like he's from arabic decent. Tom Wilkinson, Cillian Murphy and Tim Booth look nothing like the characters they played. Two-Face isn't blonde. Morgan Freeman is way older than Lucius Fox is in the comics. And Lucius Fox didn't work for Thomas Wayne. The Batsuit in the Nolan Movies dosn't resemble the suit from the comics at all. Same thing with the Batmobile. Characters like Ras al Ghul or Scarecorw got alomost completely different backgrounds, motivations and characterizations. The Jokes wears Make-Up. Batman is trained by a Ras al Ghul, who hides behind a different identity instead of using his pit. Tailia isn't introduced before her father. Batman meets Scarecrow before he faces the Joker and Catwoman for the first time. There are characters like Rachel Dawes or Earl in Batmans origin story, that have never appeard in any comic book. Bruce Wayne is trying to kill the mutder of his parents in the court, before he even decides to become a crime fighter, which also never happend in any comic book. Nobody seems to care about all that stuff, but Superman not being 6' 3 feet tall, Batman being only 21 years old, John Stewart being the Green Lantern of the Justice League and everything else about this movie that isn't exactly like the comic book seems to be such a big deal. I don't get it...

You make fair points. But you can take liberties with certain characters or certain story lines and get away with it because they are just not that popular. The casting for Ra's or Scarecrow or for a number of other characters will never carry the same weight as the casting for Superman. Superman is so well known and there are certain expectations that people have of him that he should look like, especially with his size and face.

You mentioned Keaton for Batman which really irritated a lot of people. But what hurts Cotrona and where Keaton didn't have to worry is that he will be part of other heroes who may have a size advantage over him. Not too mention with Batman, you can get away with a little more because he hides more in a costume as opposed to Superman. With Superman, his face will be front and center along with his body, not like Batman hiding behind armor.

Again, one is really not afforded to take any liberties with Superman, due to the popularity of the character and the expectations for his look is pretty strict. It's near impossible to deviate from his look, for better or worse. He's just on a whole different level from most heroes.

[M.O.Steel]

I'd say we should really wait until we've seen shots of these guys in costume, before we decide if they're really so wrong looking for the parts or not. Who knows how their bodys are gonna look in like July? When i looked at random pictures of Brandon Routh, he didn't look like Superman to me one bit. But they made him up to look as close to the character as possible and now a lot of people say, he looks perfect for the role, which i think has just a lot to do with the fact that he's already played it. And i'm sure if Hammer and Cotrona stay and the movie is released, there will be people who see the ideal actors Batman and Superman in them. I really don't get all the panic. It's not like they're fat, black midget chicks or anything. Cotrona might be a little bit smaller than most of the actors who played Superman in the past and Hammer is a few years younger, sure. But IMO that really aren't the most important factors, that will decide if this movie is gonna be good or not. I mean, i can totally understand that people are a little bit worried about this two untypical choices, but i think we shouldn't overreact. If you think "man, those two guys just sucked like hell" after you've seen the movie, bash them all you want. But as for now, it can only speculated about that. I for one think people like George Miller and Barrie Osborne know a little bit more about good actors and how to make a good movie than fanboys on internet boards. And i don't believe they'd want to destroy their carrers by making a movie with terrible actors based on a terrible script. So could we just wait for the movie to be released before we wish Miller, Cotrona and Hammer to hell? Cause if the movie and their acting is gonna be good, i don't think anyone will care about the height of Cotrona or the age of Hammer anymore. Frankly, i think the movie will be done in a way, you won't even see that Hammer is actually taller than Cotrona. And even if, Superman wasn't as tall as Wonder Woman in New Frontier and nobody cared. They do things like that all the time when they're translating Superheros into other media. They made Kyle Rayner the first earth Lantern and John Stewart the second one, they changed origins and even looks of Batman villains alomst completely. (which even redefined the comic book versions of some of these guys) IMO, in a movie not everything has to be the same as it is in the comic book, or fit into comics continuity. Not even the fanboy favorite movie Batman Begins is. As long as it's overall true to the source martial, i have no problem with small changes, if they're good for the story or the team dynamic. And the height of Superman or the age of Batman aren't the essential points that make that characters who they are.


i actually HATED that fact, but it's towards the original comic book, not the movie since they were respecting the original source material. i hated it. it's just not the way itS supposed to be.

i actually dont' mind the age issue because anyone can look younger and older with the right work. so good choice on batman. but 6'5 and 5'9 is a huge difference. either keep both 5'9 or both 6'5, with a 3 inch buffer. so superman is 5'9, WW is 5'11, and batman is 6'5?

[I Am The Knight]

Does it matter who's taller in real life? They will alter it in the movie, I'm sure....I don't seee what the problem is here.

[M.O.Steel]

Does it matter who's taller in real life? They will alter it in the movie, I'm sure....I don't seee what the problem is here.

it's not really about that, at least to me. i think they should all be consistent. they should all be over 6 ft at least, but if you're gonna go shorter, then everyone should be. but you can't have batman being almost a foot taller than superman, or vice versa for that matter.

[Sawyer]

i actually HATED that fact, but it's towards the original comic book, not the movie since they were respecting the original source material. i hated it. it's just not the way itS supposed to be.

okay....

[Webhead2006]

i don't like the choice of cotrona. and no, don't make this a race thing because it has nothing to do with him being hispanic. he just doesn't look like a good superman. i like this turco guy, where did his name come from, or is he just a fan-favorite. i wouldn't mind scott porter either.

but i will wait till i see him in either clark or superman uniform to fully reject him.
Just a fan thought, but yea he looks the part well and does has the presence for the role. Now when the whole dj and scott porter stuff were going around for supes if it was really between those two i would take porter over dj, as i said before he isnt the perfect choice for supes but would be much better then dj.

[I Am The Knight]

it's not really about that, at least to me. i think they should all be consistent. they should all be over 6 ft at least. but you can't have batman being almost a foot taller than superman, but vice versa also.

So this post = nitpicking? Like I said, these people will transform into these characters. Supes will probably be taller than Bats in the movie, but it doesn't has to be that way in real life.

[Orin]

i actually HATED that fact, but it's towards the original comic book, not the movie since they were respecting the original source material.
And what does that tell us? Even the original source material has versions of the character, that aren't 6'3 tall. I mean, Darwyn Cooke didn't made that up for his comic book, Superman actually was portrayed as an "average-joe" in his early appearances. Personally, i never got why he has to be a huge musclehead anyway. I mean, while it makes sense for Batman, who acutally has to train, to be in the physical shape he's in, Superman gets all his powers from the yellow sun light. Okay, he looks like a bodybuilder in the modern comics, but pretty much every Superhero does. I think with the movies, it's a little bit different. Yeah, Chris Reeve, who for a lot of people still is the perfect Superman, was taller than Cotrona, but also wasn't as muscle packed as the character is in the comics. And it's not like Cotrona is a skinny little guy. 5'9 is a good, avarage hight, which can easily used to make him look as tall as Superman currently is suppost to be in the comics. From what i've seen, his body is in pretty good shape too. And i'm sure he will be in even better shape, when the production actually starts. He's got the right hair color and strong chin bones. Style his hair the right way, shave his beard off, give him blue contacts (put some lifts in his boots ;)) and put him in the costume and i think it'll do wonders.
You know, Miller saw all the people, who they could've gotten for this movie auditioning and if Hammers and Cotronas performances nailed what he has in mind for the characters, why should he have chosen someone else, who's height or age maybe would've been closer to the character, but who's acting wasn't as good as Hammers and Cotronas? Actors can be made up to look taller and older, but if they're not able to play their roles convincingly, you can't fix that...

i don't like the choice of cotrona. and no, don't make this a race thing because it has nothing to do with him being hispanic.
Especially since he ISN'T hispanic...

Even though his character on Skin is half Caucasian, half Mexican, D.J. is actually "half Italian, the rest mutt," he says. ;)

[Webhead2006]

well yes they could make them look the same height but that would be wasting time and money to do that and the budget is already a problem for the film. So why waste it for that when they could have easily got actors in the right height range.

[M.O.Steel]

So this post = nitpicking? Like I said, these people will transform into these characters. Supes will probably be taller than Bats in the movie, but it doesn't has to be that way in real life.

come on...i did say that they all should be the same, i prefer over 6 ft but not necessary, whatever it may be, i just think they should be similar, at least supes, batman and WW.

i don't think they should be their respective heights with their comic counterpart, that's why i said of the 3 inch buffer system. as in if the actor who plays batman is 6'5 then, the actor playing superman shouldn't be shorter than 6'2. ofcourse the movie magic can take care of all that. i'ts just a personal preferance. i don't even know the heights of bale or routh.

Keaton was short, but an awesome batman. so if they wanted a superman with that batman, they should have found someone that's closer to his height.

i don't care about the real life heights. just how they look in the movies.

[I Am The Knight]

And what does that tell us? Even the original source material has versions of the character, that aren't 6'3 tall. I mean, Darwyn Cooke didn't made that up for his comic book, Superman actually was portrayed as an "average-joe" in his early appearances. Personally, i never got why he has to be a huge musclehead anyway. I mean, while it makes sense for Batman, who acutally has to train, to be in the physical shape he's in, Superman gets all his powers from the yellow sun light. Okay, he looks like a bodybuilder in the modern comics, but pretty much every Superhero does. I think with the movies, it's a little bit different. Yeah, Chris Reeve, who for a lot of people still is the perfect Superman, was taller than Cotrona, but also wasn't as muscle packed as the character is in the comics. And it's not like Cotrona is a skinny little guy. 5'9 is a good, avarage hight, which can easily used to make him look as tall as Superman currently is suppost to be in the comics. From what i've seen, his body is in pretty good shape too. And i'm sure he will be in even better shape, when the production actually starts. He's got the right hair color and strong chin bones. Style his hair the right way, shave his beard off, give him blue contacts (put some lifts in his boots ;)) and put him in the costume and i think it'll do wonders.
You know, Miller saw all the people, who they could've gotten for this movie auditioning and if Hammers and Cotronas performances nailed what he has in mind for the characters, why should he have chosen someone else, who's height or age maybe would've been closer to the character, but who's acting wasn't as good as Hammers and Cotronas? Actors can be made up to look taller and older, but if they're not able to play their roles convincingly, you can't fix that...


Especially since he ISN'T hispanic...
;)

Orin nailed it.... :cwink:

[M.O.Steel]

And what does that tell us? Even the original source material has versions of the character, that aren't 6'3 tall. I mean, Darwyn Cooke didn't made that up for his comic book, Superman actually was portrayed as an "average-joe" in his early appearances. Personally, i never got why he has to be a huge musclehead anyway. I mean, while it makes sense for Batman, who acutally has to train, to be in the physical shape he's in, Superman gets all his powers from the yellow sun light. Okay, he looks like a bodybuilder in the modern comics, but pretty much every Superhero does. I think with the movies, it's a little bit different. Yeah, Chris Reeve, who for a lot of people still is the perfect Superman, was taller than Cotrona, but also wasn't as muscle packed as the character is in the comics. And it's not like Cotrona is a skinny little guy. 5'9 is a good, avarage hight, which can easily used to make him look as tall as Superman currently is suppost to be in the comics. From what i've seen, his body is in pretty good shape too. And i'm sure he will be in even better shape, when the production actually starts. He's got the right hair color and strong chin bones. Style his hair the right way, shave his beard off, give him blue contacts (put some lifts in his boots ;)) and put him in the costume and i think it'll do wonders.
You know, Miller saw all the people, who they could've gotten for this movie auditioning and if Hammers and Cotronas performances nailed what he has in mind for the characters, why should he have chosen someone else, who's height or age maybe would've been closer to the character, but who's acting wasn't as good as Hammers and Cotronas? Actors can be made up to look taller and older, but if they're not able to play their roles convincingly, you can't fix that...

Especially since he ISN'T hispanic...
;)

i should have put the word in quotations since yeah you said he was italian earlier. i was making point since that's what everyone thinks he is.

you just said no one had a problem with the WW superman thing, and i said that i did. that's all. nothing more to it really. but i think it was a big deal for them also, because if you read the interviews, they said it was a huge deal making WW taller than...gulp...superman, as in they were questioning it. so height is important, but yeah true they can fix that.

i'm not completely rejecting anyone because i am assuming they were picked for a reason. i don't anything about anyone really, this all based on speculations.

is there a necessity for superman to be a muscle-bound giant? no. realistic, not really? but he's drawn that way. and i want them to be close to the comics (as possible). i think routh and reeve both had good enough body structures.

[Orin]

well yes they could make them look the same height but that would be wasting time and money to do that and the budget is already a problem for the film. So why waste it for that when they could have easily got actors in the right height range.
Like i siad, if Hammer and Cotrona gave the best performances out of the actors they could've gotton, it would've been pretty stupid to chose someone else, just because he's a little bit taller or older. Looks can be fixed, performances can't. And you won't have to spent millions of dollars to make someone look a few inches taller or a few years older. ;)

[Webhead2006]

well hopefully if they are the cast once it start filming they can pull it off well. Just from pictures and what people think about them right now is they are not the right choices. Personally i would want people who look more like the parts in the roles. But also we got ot remember currently untill wb decides to stay in oz or move to canada and the whole miller deal no one is under contract anymore so even if hammer and cotrona was indeed picked they could end up not being in the film once it does start rolling later this yr. So if that does happen hopefully we get better suited actors in the roles. If not i hope in costumes and their performances they can pull them off.

[Webhead2006]

Double post.

[Orin]

Again, one is really not afforded to take any liberties with Superman, due to the popularity of the character and the expectations for his look is pretty strict. It's near impossible to deviate from his look, for better or worse. He's just on a whole different level from most heroes.Most heroes... but Batman certainly is on the same level. And yet they put him in a high tech suit, that looks more like robocop than the Batman form the comics...
But i agree, there are certain things about Superman's look, you can't mess with, like changing his blue/red/yellow costume into black leather or something like that. But having a 5'9 actor instead of a 6'3 guy playing the role isn't something that'll make people think "man, this isn't how Superman is suppost to be", at least if the performence and the overall movie is done right. IMO of course...

[I Am The Knight]

Like i siad, if Hammer and Cotrona gave the best performances out of the actors they could've gotton, it would've been pretty stupid to chose someone else, just because he's a little bit taller or older. Looks can be fixed, performances can't. And you won't have to spent millions of dollars to make someone look a few inches taller or a few years older. ;)

Or younger....Please no X3 CGI wastes. :cwink:

[M.O.Steel]

Most heroes... but Batman certainly is on the same level. And yet they put him in a high tech suit, that looks more like robocop than the Batman form the comics...

But i agree, there are certain things about Superman's look, you can't mess with, like changing his blue/red/yellow costume into black leather or something like that. But having a 5'9 actor instead of a 6'3 guy playing the role isn't something that'll make people think "man, this isn't how Superman is suppost to be", at least if the performence and the overall movie is done right. IMO of course...

i know what you're saying, and yes i prefer performance over height, but there are tall actors who could give good performances.

but (assuming absolutely no height correction takes place) if superman is 5'9, then yeah i think people will say "wow, that's a tiny superman." you were refering to him being drawn as a average joe early in his career, but since the first issue, he's always drawn as a circus strong-man. and to be honest, i don't want to see average joe dressed in superman, i wanna see epic, out of this world, beyond human mythological characters.

and it really doesn't matter to me what the height is, as long as superman is taller or even with batman, and they both are slightly taller than the rest. so as long as they are tall. and yeah, if they can fix it in the film, then yeah i can live with that.

just to keep things in perspective, tobey maguire is 5'9.

they should use this guy.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23781322/?GT1=43001

[Webhead2006]

You know thinking about it lately after most of the crap rumors and semi bad casting rumors for the film i kinda would have liked the film be cgi/animated film like early rumors were going around. How does any one else think about it? STay with the crap rumors or be a cgi/animated film?

[Webhead2006]

i know what you're saying, and yes i prefer performance over height, but there are tall actors who could give good performances.

but (assuming absolutely no height correction takes place) if superman is 5'9, then yeah i think people will say "wow, that's a tiny superman." you were refering to him being drawn as a average joe early in his career, but since the first issue, he's always drawn as a circus strong-man. and to be honest, i don't want to see average joe dressed in superman, i wanna see epic, out of this world, beyond human mythological characters.

and it really doesn't matter to me what the height is, as long as superman is taller or even with batman, and they both are slightly taller than the rest. so as long as they are tall. and yeah, if they can fix it in the film, then yeah i can live with that.

just to keep things in perspective, tobey maguire is 5'9.

they should use this guy.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23781322/?GT1=43001
Well the thing with toby is the character of spider-man/peter parker is a small guy between 5'8-5'10 ft tall. Superman on the other hand has been drawn and expected to be over 6ft tall for decades now.

[I Am The Knight]

You know thinking about it lately after most of the crap rumors and semi bad casting rumors for the film i kinda would have liked the film be cgi/animated film like early rumors were going around. How does any one else think about it? STay with the crap rumors or be a cgi/animated film?

At first I really wanted a CGI film but nah, you can't resist Live Action. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i would love live action but the way it is shaping and most of the cast doesnt really instill alot of faith to many. Hopefully everything turns out good if the film indeed goes down and all that. But if things were to change before filming hopefully wb drops a couple of guys and get some more better looking/suited actors in. But we dont know what is happening behind the scenes and we have to play the dam waiting game.

[M.O.Steel]

Well the thing with toby is the character of spider-man/peter parker is a small guy between 5'8-5'10 ft tall. Superman on the other hand has been drawn and expected to be over 6ft tall for decades now.

i think you misunderstood me. that was my point. taht's the reason i wouldn't want a 5'9 guy for supes. and just to show how short he would be, i reminded people that it is tobey's height.

but it's not just the height. DJ controna doesn't look like superman. even if he was 6'5.

[Prefix]

His height would be more tolerable if his resume justified it, but it doesn't which makes the casting even more infuriating.