Man of Steel: The Official Brandon Routh Thread

[afan]

Eh. This is the only capture I've seen from the game

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l252/absoluteimp/brandon/dallas1.jpg


But seriously JC......

who cares

It's totally a result of the wider collar:yay:

[Chaos Bringer]

yeah, maybe, perhaps, possibly....

i, for one, am all for padded muscles. its cool if hes naturally huge, but i dont want him taking roids to get hulkishly huge for the film.

i do. he's superman. he should at least try and look like it. he's not much bigger than me and i'm not superman.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Brandon looks like he might have a combination of ecto/mesomorph physique. Which means that although tall and a bit lanky, he will always have ease in packing on mass. That translates to brawniness, but not necessarily a chiseled physique--he still has to work for it, although he wouldn't be a hard gainer.

However, I don't see where he's especially more cut in that basketball game photo. We must take into account that he is engaged in rigorous, physical exercise, so naturally his arms are going to be a little more jacked in that pic...because of what he's doing with them. A few hours of nonactivity and he'd return back to normal size.

[Showtime]

They are not going to understand if you post in such a normal manner...

[Lightning Strykez!]

They are not going to understand if you post in such a normal manner...

Okay, I'll jazz it up with a few million dollar synonyms:

He looks no different! :woot:

[Showtime]

Okay, I'll jazz it up with a few million dollar synonyms:

He looks no different! :woot:

There ya go. The art of simplicity reigns supreme.

[Steelsheen]

Brandon looks like he might have a combination of ecto/mesomorph physique. Which means that although tall and a bit lanky, he will always have ease in packing on mass. That translates to brawniness, but not necessarily a chiseled physique--he still has to work for it, although he wouldn't be a hard gainer.

However, I don't see where he's especially more cut in that basketball game photo. We must take into account that he is engaged in rigorous, physical exercise, so naturally his arms are going to be a little more jacked in that pic...because of what he's doing with them. A few hours of nonactivity and he'd return back to normal size.

exactly. what i couldnt figure out is why the costume dept didnt take into acct his natural physique (ecto/mesomorph) and designed the costume that way. i mean to design a costume that hugs so close to the skin (forget the fact that its iconic) wouldnt it be common sense to think of that first before cutting the first yard of cloth?

[Showtime]

exactly. what i couldnt figure out is why the costume dept didnt take into acct his natural physique (ecto/mesomorph) and designed the costume that way. i mean to design a costume that hugs so close to the skin (forget the fact that its iconic) wouldnt it be common sense to think of that first before cutting the first yard of cloth?

They did do that, it looked horrible on him. It's on the UC in some of the test shots for the suits.

[Steelsheen]

from what i could recall from what was said on the DVD the suit was already being put together before Routh signed on for the role. they had that dummy to do all their initial tests on, then they put it on him, then they took it off and placed it back on the dummy and hardly made any adjustments that would've made Routh look better.

in any case, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that the guy has a lanky torso and to do whats necessary to balance things out.

[matthooper]

He was also seen buying Bryan Singer a copy of 'The Idiot's Guide to Superman'.

[storyteller]

Yes good read that was, i also recently bought Shumachers "How gay can i make batman and robin?"

[Jul-el]

Let's cut to the chase....


Brandon is great!!!
All he needs is more dialouge...and to part he's hair on the other side (still ****s me!!!)

[dark_b]

If Routh wants to get muscular enough to go with his 6 foot 4 height, he better begin working out now. He was at 215 for superman returns, and for a 6 foot 4 guy, 215 is skinny, he needs to be up to like 230 for the next one.skinny? i am not saying that he was the biggest. but i guess we have different definitions of skinny.

[Angeloz]

Jul-el they tried to part his hair on the other side but it didn't work. For some people it's not possible to part their hair on the other side or alternate side because it doesn't look good.

Angeloz

[Steelsheen]

wait a minute, didnt they part Routh's hair on the correct side for the make-up tests? it in the 2nd DVD disc. he looked pretty damn good there.

[Qwerty©]

wait a minute, didnt they part Routh's hair on the correct side for the make-up tests? it in the 2nd DVD disc. he looked pretty damn good there.
I'm also pretty sure that when he is Clark his hair is parted the opposite direction, might need to double check that though.

[Nokio]

Routh is 6'4? I thought he was 6'3. As for muscle mass I always thought he wasn't big enough. Routh needs to hit to gym and get up to about 230-240 if he is indeed 6'4.

[Nokio]

Almost seems like he could do a decent Jurgens looking Supes.

http://www.demolitioncomics.com/itempics/4785.jpg
http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Magazines/F-P/BRGQ_003.jpg

:eek:

Yeah I like the longer hair look for Routh and Superman more to the point. That s curl thing in the front in the movie is so dated and too perfect. The man is flying for god's sake at high speeds with his hair blowing, and yet his hair remained perfect when he landed. Superman needs an update to compete. I just don't understand how the SR barly made it to 200 million domestically, but then singer screwed the pouch.

[Angeloz]

Well he comes from an advanced civilisation thousands of years ahead of us. So I think they can invent a supergel or a supermousse. That remembers your hairstyle after it's been made wet or blown. Maybe even two hairstyles for those with secret identities. ;) :oldrazz: :)

Angeloz

[Steelsheen]

Yeah I like the longer hair look for Routh and Superman more to the point. That s curl thing in the front in the movie is so dated and too perfect. The man is flying for god's sake at high speeds with his hair blowing, and yet his hair remained perfect when he landed. Superman needs an update to compete. I just don't understand how the SR barly made it to 200 million domestically, but then singer screwed the pouch.

are you sure you want Superman? :whatever:

[Showtime]

Routh is definately serious about the sequel, I just hope that WB is.

[Justice Bringer]

Hes serious because he knows he wont have a decent career without it.

[superbaby]

Hes serious because he knows he wont have a decent career without it.
unfortunately, i believe that SR will not be continued and he will be replaced.
hopefully he can succeed in his acting career by doing other movies, if only people giving him chances.

[Justice Bringer]

replaced by whom?

[fabman]

Hopefully not by Tom Welling. He's okay for a TV series, but not for cinema, come on!

[Justice Bringer]

There's really no one else that comes to mind; but with Welling, you'll have to continue to the Smallville story and timeline onto the big screen.

I'm not sure how that would work :/

[fabman]

It'd suck! I like the TV series, even if it ain't as good as when it started. Season 4 really was, ****, what were they thinking? It's a bit more interesting now but not as good as before...

[Justice Bringer]

It would be a challenging feat.

[Sun_Down]

I think people need to cut the guy a break. He's a big guy and he'll be in good shape for the sequel. We all know the suit didn't help, either.

[Justice Bringer]

He's tall but not big at all.

[Showtime]

I am not worried about Brandon in the sequel at all, for me he worked fine as Superman as is anyway. Not that it wouldn't be bad to get bigger.

[Steelsheen]

There's really no one else that comes to mind; but with Welling, you'll have to continue to the Smallville story and timeline onto the big screen.

I'm not sure how that would work :/

this could be one of the options for the much debated reboot.

[fabman]

...which, honestly, I'd hate!

[gdw]

He is naturally in pretty decent shape. It is just a matter of building on what is already there. Gibven they know in advance who is cast, he will probably have far more time and a better schedual for getting to size and then some this time.

[Sun_Down]

He's tall but not big at all.

Not true. And I'd really like to see the people saying stuff like this in person, because I highly doubt many, if any of them are in better shape.

[Justice Bringer]

I'm in better shape than this

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Fan%20Art/2007%20Collectormania11/AbbyCollectormania_011.jpg

Not that I hold myself to the same standard, hes supposed to be playing Superman.

He may have lost weight intentionally for Cracktown; but unless he pulls a Christian Bale, people are gonna have the same complaints about his appearance during the sequel.

[fabman]

Relax. If they won't delay the Superman Returns sequel he'll have time until March. He's got a lot of time to get in better shape!

[merced]

replaced by whom?

TBD but not likely Welling. Isn't he 31 now?

[Justice Bringer]

30. So what? That's the perfect age for Superman.

[TheComicbookKid]

I never understood the idea that Superman needed huge muscles. Smart people don't have huge brains. Why would Superman need to be 300 pounds of muscle?

[Justice Bringer]

Because hes classically drawn that way throughout history. Its all about image and appearance.....and recognizing the familiar comicbook character on the screen.

[TheComicbookKid]

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I prefer the Ian Churchill over the Ed Benes type.

[Justice Bringer]

The Churchill Superman is still huge. Routh isnt anywhere close to that.

[merced]

30. So what? That's the perfect age for Superman.

Welling is fine, Routh is too. If there is another Superman I think it won't be either one.

[Justice Bringer]

So then who else would it be?

[merced]

So then who else would it be?

TBD.

[Justice Bringer]

Because theres no one else

[merced]

Because theres no one else

Can't and don't believe that. Welling or Routh or else bust?!

[Justice Bringer]

Seems that way.

[merced]

Seems that way.

Then we may be up the creek.

[mego joe]

Yeah I like the longer hair look for Routh and Superman more to the point. That s curl thing in the front in the movie is so dated and too perfect. The man is flying for god's sake at high speeds with his hair blowing, and yet his hair remained perfect when he landed. Superman needs an update to compete. I just don't understand how the SR barly made it to 200 million domestically, but then singer screwed the pouch.

No, no, noooooooooooooooooo! No Super-Mullet!!!

Must have short hair!!

[mego joe]

Seems that way.

That's the beauty of casting an unknown, nobody knows him yet b/c he's unknown!!

Christopher Reeve anyone?

[Angeloz]

Then there's Brandon Routh. :oldrazz:

I think it'd be ridiculous to have someone else for this generation. He looks, sounds and acts the part. And as a bonus he also seems to be a genuinely nice guy that also does charity.

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

I thought Routh really looked the part too. He did good as both Clark and Superman. Whether they make a sequel, or start over with a different storyline....he was good in the role.

[Spike_x1]

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I prefer the Ian Churchill over the Ed Benes type.Agree to disagree that Superman is just a big muscley guy in the comics? :huh:

[Justice Bringer]

That's the beauty of casting an unknown, nobody knows him yet b/c he's unknown!!

Christopher Reeve anyone?

I doubt the studio will go with an unknown again if they want to replace Routh and start over.

They go for big names.... but theres no big names that look like Superman; so it sucks.

[mego joe]

Then there's Brandon Routh. :oldrazz:

I think it'd be ridiculous to have someone else for this generation. He looks, sounds and acts the part. And as a bonus he also seems to be a genuinely nice guy that also does charity.

Angeloz

In a direct sequel to SR it wouldn't make sense to cast a different actor, but if you were doing a restart, you'd almost have to go with a different actor. He wasn't so good that he's irreplacable. I still say it's hard to determine how good he actually is/ was b/c of the poor material he had to work with.

[Spike_x1]

I thought Routh really looked the part too. He did good as both Clark and Superman. Whether they make a sequel, or start over with a different storyline....he was good in the role.Agreed. :up:

Personally, I found very few redeeming qualities in SR (if you liked it, that's cool), but Routh's performance was definitely one of them. IMO, the costume and the script (and Supes' role in it) sucked, but Routh was great with what he had to work with and the few times where he really acted Superman-ish. Keep him with the franchise, where ever it may lead. :up:

[Spike_x1]

Yeah I like the longer hair look for Routh and Superman more to the point. That s curl thing in the front in the movie is so dated and too perfect. The man is flying for god's sake at high speeds with his hair blowing, and yet his hair remained perfect when he landed. Superman needs an update to compete. I just don't understand how the SR barly made it to 200 million domestically, but then singer screwed the pouch.Go the John Byrne route and just have his hair naturally wavy to create the S curl.

[Sun_Down]

I'm in better shape than this

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Fan%20Art/2007%20Collectormania11/AbbyCollectormania_011.jpg

Not that I hold myself to the same standard, hes supposed to be playing Superman.

He may have lost weight intentionally for Cracktown; but unless he pulls a Christian Bale, people are gonna have the same complaints about his appearance during the sequel.

Considering that's not the same shape he was in for SR, I don't see your point in the slightest. Bale was 120 lbs. before Begins, does that mean he "wasn't big" enough to play Batman when the time came around?

[Angeloz]

In a direct sequel to SR it wouldn't make sense to cast a different actor, but if you were doing a restart, you'd almost have to go with a different actor. He wasn't so good that he's irreplacable. I still say it's hard to determine how good he actually is/ was b/c of the poor material he had to work with.

I disagree with a lot of what you've said but these are opinions. Another is I don't think they'd find someone as good as he is (at and for this time). Basically I think he is irreplacable because he, to me, is this generations Superman. Any replacement would be second best or worse. I don't want a Nuclear Man type Superman because that really would be a travesty. They've found their guy. Replacing him would be all sorts of wrong.

Angeloz

[Nokio]

I'm in better shape than this

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Fan%20Art/2007%20Collectormania11/AbbyCollectormania_011.jpg

Not that I hold myself to the same standard, hes supposed to be playing Superman.

He may have lost weight intentionally for Cracktown; but unless he pulls a Christian Bale, people are gonna have the same complaints about his appearance during the sequel.

My god he's thin. At anyrate I think Routh is fine for Supes. He doesn't need to be replaced as some suggests. SR poor performance or more to the point the uderperformance is due to singer's complete lack of imagination for this sci-fi/fantasy comic to film genre. The film was beautifully shot and the fx was awesome, but with a budget of 250 million my god that was the best that could be done? I didn't go wow or that's awesome not one time. Singer is crap for superman, and dan harris or whatever his name is who wrote the screenplay is no better.

I still believe that that Singer won't be brought back on despite that its been confirmed. Just hearing singer's comment "now we can get to the action" or whatever he said just proves the man has no idea how to make a comic film. No one goes to see Superman wanting drama and a love story. We want to see the man of steel take on the super powered bad guys and a good throw down.

[superbaby]

I never understood the idea that Superman needed huge muscles. Smart people don't have huge brains. Why would Superman need to be 300 pounds of muscle?
then you might as well ask why he must wear bluetights, why batman must wear the black and spiderman must has all the web clad on his body.

[Angeloz]

The Rock's spoof with "Saturday Night Live" proves why too much muscles would be ridiculous. You might be able to see it on You Tube. Clark is not meant to be too big and looks better when he doesn't eg. Brandon Routh's Clark. That said I don't mind if he gets a larger chest for those people obsessed with these things but not, I hope, at the expense of believability.

Angeloz

[TheComicbookKid]

then you might as well ask why he must wear bluetights, why batman must wear the black and spiderman must has all the web clad on his body.

I wasn't being sarcastic. I personally think size and muscle don't mean anything to Superman. Like an ant being able to lift twice it's own weight.
Supes strength comes from the sun, not how much he bench presses.

Not trying to start a debate, just my personal opinon.

[TheComicbookKid]

The Rock's spoof with "Saturday Night Live" proves why too much muscles would be ridiculous. You might be able to see it on You Tube. Clark is not meant to be too big and looks better when he doesn't eg. Brandon Routh's Clark. That said I don't mind if he gets a larger chest for those people obsessed with these things but not, I hope, at the expense of believability.

Angeloz


Well that's an extreme example. In comics, heroes are portrayed with the muscle definiton of those gross looking pro bodybuilders, but are the size of a normal athlete. So it could never get that bad.

[Steelsheen]

Agreed. :up:

Personally, I found very few redeeming qualities in SR (if you liked it, that's cool), but Routh's performance was definitely one of them. IMO, the costume and the script (and Supes' role in it) sucked, but Routh was great with what he had to work with and the few times where he really acted Superman-ish. Keep him with the franchise, where ever it may lead. :up:

I thought Routh really looked the part too. He did good as both Clark and Superman. Whether they make a sequel, or start over with a different storyline....he was good in the role.

agree with you both

[merced]

Routh is definately serious about the sequel, I just hope that WB is.

In six months we'll know who's serious or not.

[C. Lee]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I personally think size and muscle don't mean anything to Superman. Like an ant being able to lift twice it's own weight.
Supes strength comes from the sun, not how much he bench presses.

Not trying to start a debate, just my personal opinon.

I can understand your feelings on this (you aren't the first one to express it either).....but Superman has always been portrayed in the comics as having large muscle definition. Spider-Man is an example of a character being drawn as thin, but with great strength....so it makes sense to have a non massive actor portray him.....but Supes has been drawn as a big man.

[Showtime]

In six months we'll know who's serious or not.

In six months...

[thedarks0ldier]

All this has me thinking how cool it would be if Keanu Reeves, Christian Bale, Brandon Routh, Heath Leager, Hugo Weaving, Ryan Reynolds, Dwayne Johnson, and who ever else wants to be in a DC movie go up against Ben Afflack, Tobey Miguire, Edward Norton, William Dafoe, Michael Clark Duncan, James Franco, Hugh Jackman, Robert Downey Jr., Topher Grace, Thomas Haden Church and Nicolas Cage in a charity event for comic-con where a Marvel team and a DC team takes on each other in a basket ball game. Who would be starting on each team?

Comic-Con should get on the ball and put something like that together. If were to start organizing it they can pull this off by 2008-9

[BareKnucklez]

That's the beauty of casting an unknown, nobody knows him yet b/c he's unknown!!

Christopher Reeve anyone?

But Brandon wasn't an Unknown! He was on MTV: Undressed, a handfull of tv shows, a Christina Aguilera video... I mean NOTHING that says "Good acting" was done in those roles, and certainly nothing worthy of being cast as Superman... But he was NOT an Unknown.

I knew about him way before he was given the role because my girlfriend used to see "One life to live" and I knew how bad of an actor he was when he was cast as Superman.

I still held out hope for the movie, and he proved that his acting has not got any better since then.

[BareKnucklez]

I'm in better shape than this

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Fan%20Art/2007%20Collectormania11/AbbyCollectormania_011.jpg

Not that I hold myself to the same standard, hes supposed to be playing Superman.

He may have lost weight intentionally for Cracktown; but unless he pulls a Christian Bale, people are gonna have the same complaints about his appearance during the sequel.

My god man he's a twig!
Seriously after lookin so thin in the last movie you would think he would have tried to stay in that kind of shape, and would have kept workin out so he would be as big as the FANS WANT him to be if a sequel is made.
From the looks of it were gonna get another "Superskinnyman" if a sequel is done.

[C. Lee]

But Brandon wasn't an Unknown! He was on MTV: Undressed, a handfull of tv shows, a Christina Aguilera video... I mean NOTHING that says "Good acting" was done in those roles, and certainly nothing worthy of being cast as Superman... But he was NOT an Unknown.

I knew about him way before he was given the role because my girlfriend used to see "One life to live" and I knew how bad of an actor he was when he was cast as Superman.

I still held out hope for the movie, and he proved that his acting has not got any better since then.

When people use the term "unknown" about new actors in a production...they don't necassarily mean "never appeared on film or TV before"....but rather, that the new actor is not known or recognized by the majority of the public. Both Brandon Routh and Christopher Reeve were unknowns before their respective Superman roles.

Routh appeared on the soap "One Life to Live" before his Superman role.....Christopher Reeve appeared on the soap "Love of Life" before his Superman role. And Reeve was considered an "unknown". Routh appeared on an "MTV" show and a couple of sitcoms before Superman......Reeve appeared in the movie "Gray Lady Down" and a couple of TV shows before Superman. And yet Reeve was still considered an unknown. I am a great admirerer of Reeve....but watch his role in Gray Lady Down....and you will be convinced that that guy was not going to go anywhere in Hollywood.

From your posts...you show that you either had a preconcieved idea about the movie or are now remembering your initial reaction as being such. I'm not sure how to take your assertion, that you remember how bad an actor Routh was from a soap opera that you didn't watch but your girlfriend did.

I try my best to view things objectively. Many, many posters here go in with preconcieved ideas and blinders on. Their posts from then on....seem to be as much about trying to convince themselves as they are others that their point of view is the correct one. I spend my time telling people to be objective....which becomes pretty darn funny at times....because to the ardent haters...I am a lover....and to the ardent lovers....I am a hater.

I speak on the good and bad points of everything.

[mego joe]

But Brandon wasn't an Unknown! He was on MTV: Undressed, a handfull of tv shows, a Christina Aguilera video... I mean NOTHING that says "Good acting" was done in those roles, and certainly nothing worthy of being cast as Superman... But he was NOT an Unknown.

I knew about him way before he was given the role because my girlfriend used to see "One life to live" and I knew how bad of an actor he was when he was cast as Superman.

I still held out hope for the movie, and he proved that his acting has not got any better since then.

Did I mention Brandon Routh? I thought I was talking about Christopher Reeve.

[Angeloz]

Thank you for saying that C. Lee. I must admit I knew Reeve was in a Soap but didn't know which one. We never got it here as far as I know nor would I have seen it if we did when he was in it. Same with Brandon's Soap too (though I knew what he was in). By the way did you like Routh because I don't think I remember your views? Or too dangerous a question?

As a general rant why should what he looks like at the moment have anything to do with what Brandon will look like in a possible sequel. We all know he worked out and got a whole lot of muscles (not enough for some) for the first film. And he has stated he will for the next one. I don't see how what he looks like now need be an issue. Except those that like to have issues I guess.

Angeloz

[C. Lee]

Thank you for saying that C. Lee. I must admit I knew Reeve was in a Soap but didn't know which one. We never got it here as far as I know nor would I have seen it if we did when he was in it. Same with Brandon's Soap too (though I knew what he was in). By the way did you like Routh because I don't think I remember your views? Or too dangerous a question?

As a general rant why should what he looks like at the moment have anything to do with what Brandon will look like in a possible sequel. We all know he worked out and got a whole lot of muscles (not enough for some) for the first film. And he has stated he will for the next one. I don't see how what he looks like now need be an issue. Except those that like to have issues I guess.

Angeloz

I think Routh did a fine job. He seemed a decent actor, and looked the part as both Superman and Clark Kent. There are some questions about the movie that I do not discuss....simply because they have had such a polarising effect upon the posters here, that I don't want to be used as backing of one group or another for their attacks upon the opposing forces. If you were here for some of the flame wars that erupted over different aspects of the movie...you will perfectly understand my analogy.

Anything and everything will be taken up as an issue by some here. His size was part of the arguments before the movie came out...while it was out....after it was out....I readily expect it to be an argument issue before the next one comes out too.

I have been here a long time. People will argue about anything.

[BareKnucklez]

I'm in better shape than this

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/Fan%20Art/2007%20Collectormania11/AbbyCollectormania_011.jpg

Not that I hold myself to the same standard, hes supposed to be playing Superman.

He may have lost weight intentionally for Cracktown; but unless he pulls a Christian Bale, people are gonna have the same complaints about his appearance during the sequel.

My god man he's a twig!
Seriously after lookin so thin in the last movie you would think he would have tried to stay in that kind of shape, and would have kept workin out so he would be as big as the FANS WANT him to be if a sequel is made.
From the looks of it were gonna get another "Superskinnyman" if a sequel is even ever made.

[BareKnucklez]

Did I mention Brandon Routh? I thought I was talking about Christopher Reeve.

I know but I was sayin that while casting an UNKNOWN like how Chris was cast back in the day seems like a good idea Bryan lied to the fans because he didn't pick an unknown.
He picked an actor with an awful lot of negative baggage.

MTV actor, Fired from a bad day time drama, was in a Christina aguilera video, and while most don't like to use the "banned word" his other acting gigs include him playing that word, and of course there is the god awful episode of Gilmore Girls he was on.

I hate that show to start with but the episode he was on was laughable due to how bad his acting was in it.

Chris Reeve had some theater experience, and was a classically trained actor but his tv or movie work before Superman was actually stuff that showcased his talents.

He wasn't ever fired from a soup for bad acting for example... One had ZERO baggage with him while the other had ton's of bad baggage.

[Angeloz]

I think Routh did a fine job. He seemed a decent actor, and looked the part as both Superman and Clark Kent. There are some questions about the movie that I do not discuss....simply because they have had such a polarising effect upon the posters here, that I don't want to be used as backing of one group or another for their attacks upon the opposing forces. If you were here for some of the flame wars that erupted over different aspects of the movie...you will perfectly understand my analogy.

Anything and everything will be taken up as an issue by some here. His size was part of the arguments before the movie came out...while it was out....after it was out....I readily expect it to be an argument issue before the next one comes out too.

I have been here a long time. People will argue about anything.

I've been reading forums a lot longer than I've been posting in them. So I definately understand a flame war. Especially how nasty they can be and that's the moderated forums. 'Cos then there's those not moderated - I avoid them. And from the above comments (in this thread) you're right about his size being used for arguments. By the way it was a general rant and not directed for you to answer but I didn't mind an answer. I'm also glad you liked Brandon as Superman/Clark Kent as I was curious about what you thought.

P.S. - By the way when I click on a link here it seems to take a long time to respond (for the past day - though I've been away so it could've been going on longer). Worse than dial up speeds. Also this reply as well as an earlier one disconnected so I had to send them twice. It's not happening elsewhere for me. So what's wrong and can it be fixed? I might not understand the answer for the former though.

Angeloz

[Angeloz]

I know but I was sayin that while casting an UNKNOWN like how Chris was cast back in the day seems like a good idea Bryan lied to the fans because he didn't pick an unknown.
He picked an actor with an awful lot of negative baggage.

MTV actor, Fired from a bad day time drama, was in a Christina aguilera video, and while most don't like to use the "banned word" his other acting gigs include him playing that word, and of course there is the god awful episode of Gilmore Girls he was on.

I hate that show to start with but the episode he was on was laughable due to how bad his acting was in it.

Chris Reeve had some theater experience, and was a classically trained actor but his tv or movie work before Superman was actually stuff that showcased his talents.

He wasn't ever fired from a soup for bad acting for example... One had ZERO baggage with him while the other had ton's of bad baggage.

He was completely unknown to me before the film. I'd never seen him anywhere. I loved him in the film and I was amazed by how much. As I was worried I might not be able to accept him. I did. I can't answer for what he did in the Soap because I've never seen it. I will say from a You Tube clip I liked him in "Cold Case" too. It's ridiculous to claim he's a bad actor but some are biased by what they want to find rather than what's actually the case.

Angeloz

[Rated-X]

Routh is not the problem, I like him as Superman.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well, his portrayal of Superman got him some awards, most recently the Saturn Award as Best Actor, so he probably wasn't that bad in the role. I liked him a lot.

[Brian Braddock]

I think Routh did a fine job. He seemed a decent actor, and looked the part as both Superman and Clark Kent. There are some questions about the movie that I do not discuss....simply because they have had such a polarising effect upon the posters here, that I don't want to be used as backing of one group or another for their attacks upon the opposing forces. If you were here for some of the flame wars that erupted over different aspects of the movie...you will perfectly understand my analogy.

Anything and everything will be taken up as an issue by some here. His size was part of the arguments before the movie came out...while it was out....after it was out....I readily expect it to be an argument issue before the next one comes out too.

I have been here a long time. People will argue about anything.


Boy, aint that the truth.

(In fact, I think i've just found my new sig :woot: )

I too thought Routh was good in SR. He portrayed a decent, accident prone, nerdy Clark and a strong, deep-voiced, authorititive Supes.

I look forward to seeing him continue (and grow) in the role.

[spider-neil]

I seriously think routh looks slim in SR becuase of the colours of the supes costume. light blue, dull red.

Tmags looks MUCH bigger in his spidey costume. dark blue bright red (like reeves' superman outfit)

[nintendo nerd]

I know but I was sayin that while casting an UNKNOWN like how Chris was cast back in the day seems like a good idea Bryan lied to the fans because he didn't pick an unknown.
He picked an actor with an awful lot of negative baggage.

MTV actor, Fired from a bad day time drama, was in a Christina aguilera video, and while most don't like to use the "banned word" his other acting gigs include him playing that word, and of course there is the god awful episode of Gilmore Girls he was on.

I hate that show to start with but the episode he was on was laughable due to how bad his acting was in it.

Chris Reeve had some theater experience, and was a classically trained actor but his tv or movie work before Superman was actually stuff that showcased his talents.

He wasn't ever fired from a soup for bad acting for example... One had ZERO baggage with him while the other had ton's of bad baggage.


It was never confirmed that he was fired from that soap. If you don't like Routh that's fine by me. But don't act like he was the worst thing on SR, because IMO he was the best thing in the movie. I think only the part on the farm his acting feels a little wooden but when he shows as bumbling Clark for the first time, he was great. In fact, most of the people agree that Routh was the best thing on SR, incluiding the critics and on these forums. So please, stop acting like your opinion is the absolute truth.

[nintendo nerd]

Boy, aint that the truth.

(In fact, I think i've just found my new sig :woot: )

I too thought Routh was good in SR. He portrayed a decent, accident prone, nerdy Clark and a strong, deep-voiced, authorititive Supes.

I look forward to seeing him continue (and grow) in the role.

:up:

The first time Routh showed up after rescuing the plane, I was relieved, he made me feel I was watching Superman. IMO, he had more presence than Reeve. I think he will be even better in the sequel.

[BareKnucklez]

When people use the term "unknown" about new actors in a production...they don't necassarily mean "never appeared on film or TV before"....but rather, that the new actor is not known or recognized by the majority of the public. Both Brandon Routh and Christopher Reeve were unknowns before their respective Superman roles.

Routh appeared on the soap "One Life to Live" before his Superman role.....Christopher Reeve appeared on the soap "Love of Life" before his Superman role. And Reeve was considered an "unknown". Routh appeared on an "MTV" show and a couple of sitcoms before Superman......Reeve appeared in the movie "Gray Lady Down" and a couple of TV shows before Superman. And yet Reeve was still considered an unknown. I am a great admirerer of Reeve....but watch his role in Gray Lady Down....and you will be convinced that that guy was not going to go anywhere in Hollywood.

From your posts...you show that you either had a preconcieved idea about the movie or are now remembering your initial reaction as being such. I'm not sure how to take your assertion, that you remember how bad an actor Routh was from a soap opera that you didn't watch but your girlfriend did.

I try my best to view things objectively. Many, many posters here go in with preconcieved ideas and blinders on. Their posts from then on....seem to be as much about trying to convince themselves as they are others that their point of view is the correct one. I spend my time telling people to be objective....which becomes pretty darn funny at times....because to the ardent haters...I am a lover....and to the ardent lovers....I am a hater.

I speak on the good and bad points of everything.

Well I had seen some of the work that Reeve did before Superman, and while yes the choice of roles were not the best his acting was never in doubt.

The man could simply act... I did watch the show that Routh was with my girlfriend sorry if I didn't make that clear but I had seen it, and was never impressed by it.

His acting was terrible on it, and I wasn't shocked when his role was re-cast.

Either way Brandon had A lot more negative baggage then positive when coming into a role like this... A lot more then Reeve.

The main problem with the movie was the cast, the storyline, and directing... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions tho...

[Nokio]

Routh is not the problem, I like him as Superman.

Amen! I wish people would take notice. He was fine as Superman. Blame Singer and Co for the mediocre move.

[BareKnucklez]

It was never confirmed that he was fired from that soap. If you don't like Routh that's fine by me. But don't act like he was the worst thing on SR, because IMO he was the best thing in the movie. I think only the part on the farm his acting feels a little wooden but when he shows as bumbling Clark for the first time, he was great. In fact, most of the people agree that Routh was the best thing on SR, incluiding the critics and on these forums. So please, stop acting like your opinion is the absolute truth.

Do some homework, and you will find out that he indeed was fired.. The people who ran the show didn't like how he acted in the role, and re-casted the role.
Another actor played the Seth character after Brandon was given the axe...

[Angeloz]

I'll admit I don't care about what happened with the Soap. I'm just really glad he is Superman for the current generation (Brandon). And will always be known for it no matter how many films he does (I hope a lot).

Angeloz

[nintendo nerd]

Do some homework, and you will find out that he indeed was fired.. The people who ran the show didn't like how he acted in the role, and re-casted the role.
Another actor played the Seth character after Brandon was given the axe...

How about if you send me the link were it says he was fired. I mean you seem to be pretty sure about it. Besides, I have a lot of college homework.:woot:

[nintendo nerd]

He was completely unknown to me before the film. I'd never seen him anywhere. I loved him in the film and I was amazed by how much. As I was worried I might not be able to accept him. I did. I can't answer for what he did in the Soap because I've never seen it. I will say from a You Tube clip I liked him in "Cold Case" too. It's ridiculous to claim he's a bad actor but some are biased by what they want to find rather than what's actually the case.

Angeloz

Bingo!!!!!! :up:

[Angeloz]

Nice to know what I said was noticed nintendo nerd. :)

Angeloz

[BareKnucklez]

I'll admit I don't care about what happened with the Soap. I'm just really glad he is Superman for the current generation (Brandon). And will always be known for it no matter how many films he does (I hope a lot).

Angeloz

most people in this generation didn't care for him or his movie so he really will only go down as maybe the Timothy Dalton of the Superman franchise... If he's lucky!

Could also be the George Lazenby of the story if the sequel never gets done...

Sorry this generation already has a face to Superman, and he can be seen on tv every week...

[Angeloz]

most people in this generation didn't care for him or his movie so he really will only go down as maybe the Timothy Dalton of the Superman franchise... If he's lucky!

Could also be the George Lazenby of the story if the sequel never gets done...

Sorry this generation already has a face to Superman, and he can be seen on tv every week...

Yet he's never been the part as I said. Ironically I like "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (though there are embarrassing parts) a lot more than some Bond films. Because it actually dared to have real emotions when it came to a relationship between a man and a woman (for Bond). You should also catch the first Timothy Dalton film (I've never seen the second one) because it's kinda timely with Afghanistan (also I love the communist stuff) and the airport stuff at the end is even more hilarious (for me) after 2001 (I saw it on TV - though for others it might be painful as a warning). But I get that's meant to be criticism (Dalton and Lazenby). Oh well I guess I can enjoy films including Bond films.

Angeloz

[TheComicbookKid]

Geez, Bareknucklez. Hating on the guy is like crack for you.lol

I love Smallville and TW. I love Routh and SR. I do think of TW more because I watch him everyweek. Daniel Craig is a damn good Bond, but that doesn't mean Pierce Brosnan is forgotten.

Routh was more judged against Reeve than Welling. Once the tv show is gone, Welling won't be remember as Superman.

[AgentPat]

How about if you send me the link were it says he was fired. I mean you seem to be pretty sure about it. Besides, I have a lot of college homework. :woot:http://www.soapcentral.com/oltl/news/2002/0325-routh.php

[BareKnucklez]

Yet he's never been the part as I said. Ironically I like "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (though there are embarrassing parts) a lot more than some Bond films. Because it actually dared to have real emotions when it came to a relationship between a man and a woman (for Bond). You should also catch the first Timothy Dalton film (I've never seen the second one) because it's kinda timely with Afghanistan (also I love the communist stuff) and the airport stuff at the end is even more hilarious (for me) after 2001 (I saw it on TV - though for others it might be painful as a warning). But I get that's meant to be criticism (Dalton and Lazenby). Oh well I guess I can enjoy films including Bond films.

Angeloz


Funny enough "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is my 2nd fav bond movie of the pre Roger Moore bond movies.

I thought Lazenby was decent as Bond but not great. The story, and action saved the movie from being a total disaster... Sounds like the reverse of SR heh

As for Dalton he was an excellent choice for Bond his first movie was pretty good I agree but his second movie were terribly scripted...

BUT What I was getting at was that Brandon could turn out to be an actor who only gets 1 shot at the character like Lazenby or maybe 2 if he's lucky like Dalton.

If the WB does allow Singer to make another movie, and it's another big let down like the last one, and the box office totals are bad as SR then well he won't get another chance.

I really doubt that another Superman sequel will happen with Singer behind the director chair since he really is the one man responsible for making that horrible movie... Maybe Routh will get another crack at it, maybe he wont... But there was a big negative backlash on Singer, and his lack of imagination, and un creative approach he took with this movie that after all the dust cleared left the fans with a bad taste in their mouth.

Normally when a movie does that SR did at the BOXOFFICE it's not worth doing a sequel because sequels to bad movies don't EVER make more money.

Oh, and one funny sign that SR was a major flop can be seen at blockbuster video!! They are selling the pre-viewed copies for 4.99 which they only sell Direct to dvd or major flops that also didn't rent a whole lot at that price.

I know this as fact because I worked for Blockbuster for a good 3 years, and know how their system works.

You can get it either as this special they have which is 4dvd's for 20$ or the movie itself for $4.99 which tells me that they can't give this movie away...

That says an awful lot about the final product Singer released last year...

[Pickle-El]

http://www.soapcentral.com/oltl/news/2002/0325-routh.php'

Shocking you would have something like that handy....:ninja:

[Pickle-El]

Funny enough "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is my 2nd fav bond movie of the pre Roger Moore bond movies.

I thought Lazenby was decent as Bond but not great. The story, and action saved the movie from being a total disaster... Sounds like the reverse of SR heh

As for Dalton he was an excellent choice for Bond his first movie was pretty good I agree but his second movie were terribly scripted...

BUT What I was getting at was that Brandon could turn out to be an actor who only gets 1 shot at the character like Lazenby or maybe 2 if he's lucky like Dalton.

If the WB does allow Singer to make another movie, and it's another big let down like the last one, and the box office totals are bad as SR then well he won't get another chance.

I really doubt that another Superman sequel will happen with Singer behind the director chair since he really is the one man responsible for making that horrible movie... Maybe Routh will get another crack at it, maybe he wont... But there was a big negative backlash on Singer, and his lack of imagination, and un creative approach he took with this movie that after all the dust cleared left the fans with a bad taste in their mouth.

Normally when a movie does that SR did at the BOXOFFICE it's not worth doing a sequel because sequels to bad movies don't EVER make more money.

Oh, and one funny sign that SR was a major flop can be seen at blockbuster video!! They are selling the pre-viewed copies for 4.99 which they only sell Direct to dvd or major flops that also didn't rent a whole lot at that price.

I know this as fact because I worked for Blockbuster for a good 3 years, and know how their system works.

You can get it either as this special they have which is 4dvd's for 20$ or the movie itself for $4.99 which tells me that they can't give this movie away...

That says an awful lot about the final product Singer released last year...

I just hope you know you're not convincing anyone with your one-man show.

[IT is Batgirl]

Brandon's Seth character (And I can't believe people are using his short soap background as ammo. Still.) was removed from the show 9 months after he was let go. Oh, and Harris (the replacement) was fired (http://onelifetolive.about.com/library/weekly/aa011803a.htm) as Seth too.

[Angeloz]

Funny enough "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is my 2nd fav bond movie of the pre Roger Moore bond movies.

I thought Lazenby was decent as Bond but not great. The story, and action saved the movie from being a total disaster... Sounds like the reverse of SR heh

As for Dalton he was an excellent choice for Bond his first movie was pretty good I agree but his second movie were terribly scripted...

BUT What I was getting at was that Brandon could turn out to be an actor who only gets 1 shot at the character like Lazenby or maybe 2 if he's lucky like Dalton.

Yet they're known as playing Bond. While I hope Brandon gets the chance to play Superman in more than one film. Not to mention a lot of other film roles. It doesn't matter though because he'll always be known as Superman whether he played it once or more than that.

If the WB does allow Singer to make another movie, and it's another big let down like the last one, and the box office totals are bad as SR then well he won't get another chance.

I really doubt that another Superman sequel will happen with Singer behind the director chair since he really is the one man responsible for making that horrible movie... Maybe Routh will get another crack at it, maybe he wont... But there was a big negative backlash on Singer, and his lack of imagination, and un creative approach he took with this movie that after all the dust cleared left the fans with a bad taste in their mouth.

Normally when a movie does that SR did at the BOXOFFICE it's not worth doing a sequel because sequels to bad movies don't EVER make more money.

Yet it made more at the box office than the last Batman film. Not to mention making more than a lot (most) of the recent comic book films. I've seen a list somewhere here recently. That's not mentioning Rotten Tomatoes (comic book films) ranks either. Funny that.

Oh, and one funny sign that SR was a major flop can be seen at blockbuster video!! They are selling the pre-viewed copies for 4.99 which they only sell Direct to dvd or major flops that also didn't rent a whole lot at that price.

I know this as fact because I worked for Blockbuster for a good 3 years, and know how their system works.

You can get it either as this special they have which is 4dvd's for 20$ or the movie itself for $4.99 which tells me that they can't give this movie away...

That says an awful lot about the final product Singer released last year...

I don't know about ex-DVDs but have heard it was a very popular rental. If I remember correctly it made more than "X-Men 3" in a far shorter time too. So I presume that meant there was a lot of copies. Also there was the initial release not to mention the Kryp-tin ("Ultimate Collection"). So it's not surprising that there'd be surplus DVDs.

Angeloz

[Angeloz]

Brandon's Seth character (And I can't believe people are using his short soap background as ammo. Still.) was removed from the show 9 months after he was let go. Oh, and Harris (the replacement) was fired (http://onelifetolive.about.com/library/weekly/aa011803a.htm) as Seth too.

Thanks I never knew that. :) I think some people are one-eyed and can't appreciate other versions or actors. I'll note most people that I've read here and elsewhere that hate or dislike the film mainly like Brandon. I know of one that said he's the best part of the film. I don't remember if it was in this thread as I read too many of them.

Angeloz

[AgentPat]

Shocking you would have something like that handy....:ninja:Google is your friend, Pickle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B%22Brandon+Routh%22+%2B%22One+Life+to+Live%22

It's not that hard. Try it sometime. :)

[C. Lee]

P.S. - By the way when I click on a link here it seems to take a long time to respond (for the past day - though I've been away so it could've been going on longer). Worse than dial up speeds. Also this reply as well as an earlier one disconnected so I had to send them twice. It's not happening elsewhere for me. So what's wrong and can it be fixed? I might not understand the answer for the former though.

Angeloz
We have been having problems for a while....we have even shut down a couple times over the weekend to have the server worked on. I have no technical expertize....but I can tell you that the administration is aware of the problem and working on it.

[BareKnucklez]

Yet they're known as playing Bond. While I hope Brandon gets the chance to play Superman in more than one film. Not to mention a lot of other film roles. It doesn't matter though because he'll always be known as Superman whether he played it once or more than that.

To each they own... I know A LOT of Superman/Comic Book fans who hated the movie, and thought Routh was terrible, and to them Reeve is still Superman, and I also know people who think the CW guy is this gen's Superman... So I guess everyone is allowed to like who they want for the role.


Yet it made more at the box office than the last Batman film. Not to mention making more than a lot (most) of the recent comic book films. I've seen a list somewhere here recently. That's not mentioning Rotten Tomatoes (comic book films) ranks either. Funny that.
Correction it made less in the USA, and it made slightly more internationally which is not shocking since the Superman character is more popular internationally then Batman.
But SR had a much bigger budget then BB, and so which one actually turned a profit on it's Boxoffice intake?

Thank you come again...


I don't know about ex-DVDs but have heard it was a very popular rental. If I remember correctly it made more than "X-Men 3" in a far shorter time too. So I presume that meant there was a lot of copies. Also there was the initial release not to mention the Kryp-tin ("Ultimate Collection"). So it's not surprising that there'd be surplus DVDs.

Angeloz


The sales got a major boost from the ultimate collection edition, and so it sold a little bit more then Xmen 3, now as in Rentals yea it did very good for about a month, and then it died out.

Xmen 3 did make slightly less in dvd sales but again it didn't have any help from other special edition boxsets to inflate it's numbers, and it made a good 34million more domestic then SR, and it also did better in actual rentals then SR... Overall Xmen 3 kicked SR's butt.

But SR didn't do well in rentals this is why it's now 4.99 in the previewed bin at Blockbuster Video.

[Pickle-El]

Google is your friend, Pickle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B%22Brandon+Routh%22+%2B%22One+Life+to+Live%22

It's not that hard. Try it sometime. :)

It sure is, when something is convenient to me.....oh, and I"m surprised BareKnuckles just can't get.over.it.

Makes me feel kinda sorry......kinda.

[BareKnucklez]

http://www.soapcentral.com/oltl/news/2002/0325-routh.php


heh you beat me to it! You rock! :woot:


'

Shocking you would have something like that handy....:ninja:


What does the truth scare you Pickle? hahaha :cwink:

[Pickle-El]

To each they own... I know A LOT of Superman/Comic Book fans who hated the movie, and thought Routh was terrible, and to them Reeve is still Superman, and I also know people who think the CW guy is this gen's Superman... So I guess everyone is allowed to like who they want for the role.

True. And A LOT of people see BRANDON ROUTH as this generations Superman. Millions of people around the globe. Reeve is my Superman. Routh is a close second.



Correction it made less in the USA, and it made slightly more internationally which is not shocking since the Superman character is more popular internationally then Batman.

And? Batman is MUCH more popular in the US...so what's you point? 252 Milion dollars in 1989? About 400 million in 07' when adjusted for inflation.....Superman was never as popular as Batman in the US in the box office. Oh, and SR did have that little movie to contend with last summer. I believe the 3rd highest grossing film of ALL TIME.


But SR had a much bigger budget then BB, and so which one actually turned a profit on it's Boxoffice intake?

And the rest of the accounted money? I don't recall seeeing Batman in 7/11, Duracell, and Papa John's to name a few....guess that was just done for free.


Thank you come again...




The sales got a major boost from the ultimate collection edition, and so it sold a little bit more then Xmen 3, now as in Rentals yea it did very good for about a month, and then it died out.

You mean, the Ultimate Collection, Special Edition Superman 2, and ALL Superman related DVD's that also got a boost from 'the year of Superman'. You seem to think they only made money with everything SR related. You seem to forget that the Superman name was marketed last year. Everything from Smallville DVD's to Superman comics benefitted from SR. Don't kid yourself.

Oh, Rentals (and sales for that matter) did easily just as good as Batman Begins. :wow: A few million here or there isn't that big of a deal. They were both 'hits'. Yup, it's true. Roll your budget defense again. We all know that's all you got.



Xmen 3 did make slightly less in dvd sales but again it didn't have any help from other special edition boxsets to inflate it's numbers, and it made a good 34million more domestic then SR, and it also did better in actual rentals then SR... Overall Xmen 3 kicked SR's butt.

It was also a far worse movie. And the 3rd of a trilogy. SR was the first of the revival of a franchise. One, that will continue with Bryan Singer directing, and Brandon Routh as SUPERMAN. :o


But SR didn't do well in rentals this is why it's now 4.99 in the previewed bin at Blockbuster Video.

This is funny. Almost as believable as you having a girlfriend.

[C. Lee]

Well I had seen some of the work that Reeve did before Superman, and while yes the choice of roles were not the best his acting was never in doubt.

The man could simply act... I did watch the show that Routh was with my girlfriend sorry if I didn't make that clear but I had seen it, and was never impressed by it.

His acting was terrible on it, and I wasn't shocked when his role was re-cast.

Either way Brandon had A lot more negative baggage then positive when coming into a role like this... A lot more then Reeve.

The main problem with the movie was the cast, the storyline, and directing... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions tho...
I had no complaint about Reeve's choice of roles before Superman....I was stating that he had had a similar history as Routh (soap operas, small TV and or movie roles).....and that his role in the movie "Gray Lady Down" did nothing to make you stand up and shout "This guy would be perfect for Superman." I love Chris....and I can say that with no problem.

You keep arguing that Routh was a "KNOWN" actor before SR.....I am saying he wasn't. Just because you knew of him....does not make him a known actor. I can list thousands of actors that I can point out in small roles here and there....and most of the viewing public wouldn't have an idea of who they are. I accept that I know them....but that they are not "known" actors. I am 50 years old....I was 22 years old when the first Reeve Supeman movie was released (with all of it's fan fare)....I have been a major movie and comic book fan since I was old enough to read....everyone who knows me always talk about my movie and TV trivia ability......take it how ever you want to...but Chris Reeve and Brandon Routh were both unknowns when they took the Superman role.

The reason that Brandon had more "negative" baggage than Reeve is simple.......the internet was not around when Reeve was given the role. The internet is wonderful.....and scary. Where newspapers and magazines have to worry about truth and getting the facts straight.....people on the internet can do whatever they want and say whatever they want. It's easy to say - "There were no negative attacks made on Reeve back then." - because there were generally no negative attacks made against anyone back then. The net thrives on contoversy and attacks. Read this site and others....for every person named to be in a production....websites are created just to bad mouth that decision.

[Angeloz]

First thanks C. Lee for your information about trying to fix things. It has been better so far with the occasional hiccup.

To each they own... I know A LOT of Superman/Comic Book fans who hated the movie, and thought Routh was terrible, and to them Reeve is still Superman, and I also know people who think the CW guy is this gen's Superman... So I guess everyone is allowed to like who they want for the role.

I love Christopher Reeve too and he was my introduction to the character as well as the reason I love him. I've said it before but some people can't accept different versions of Superman for whatever their closed-minded reasons are. That also includes those that hate "Smallville" too. Though they there is a point when it comes to the absolute ludicrous idea that he'd be able to have a secret identity when he adopts a costume. Unless everyone in the show has a mind-wipe of epic proportions or he has kryptonian plastic surgury where he looks like someone else entirely. Though I don't blame any actors for that - just the writers. By the way a generation is considered something around 20-30 years. But whatever floats your boat. I'll point out I also like George Reeves too as well as the animated series including the Justice League shows. I've also awhile ago read the comics and some of "Up, Up and Away". My point is I don't limit myself to just one version. I can like as well as love many though I have preferences.

Correction it made less in the USA, and it made slightly more internationally which is not shocking since the Superman character is more popular internationally then Batman.
But SR had a much bigger budget then BB, and so which one actually turned a profit on it's Boxoffice intake?

Thank you come again...

I believe there was that Pirate film in the U.S. too and it wasn't always the case overseas (as close together) but aren't that knowledgable. As to outright profits I don't claim knowledge on which was more profitable nor do I care. I only want it to get a sequel and hope it was enough to do so.

The sales got a major boost from the ultimate collection edition, and so it sold a little bit more then Xmen 3, now as in Rentals yea it did very good for about a month, and then it died out.

Xmen 3 did make slightly less in dvd sales but again it didn't have any help from other special edition boxsets to inflate it's numbers, and it made a good 34million more domestic then SR, and it also did better in actual rentals then SR... Overall Xmen 3 kicked SR's butt.

But SR didn't do well in rentals this is why it's now 4.99 in the previewed bin at Blockbuster Video.

"X-Men 3" had good ads - I even liked them (which is hard to do). Also it didn't have a Pirate film nor any other major blockbuster when it was released and after the first week it dropped like a stone (or near abouts) i.e. it was frontloaded coming from the successful first two films. I don't know about the DVD figures outright and I believe it's rather shadowy usually 'cos there's no Box Office Mojo like site for them. As I said it's not surprising there's surplus DVDs as they always occur for major films. And some of us never bother with renting. I don't think I've done so for around ten years. I buy it or see it on TV.

Angeloz

[BareKnucklez]

True. And A LOT of people see BRANDON ROUTH as this generations Superman. Millions of people around the globe. Reeve is my Superman. Routh is a close second. You are right a lot of people do... Brandon's mom, his dad, Bryan Singer, Dan Harris, Michael Dougherty, you, and a few other people who like to watch a water down carbon copy of Chris Reeve replace Chris instead of giving an actor who has his own look, and take on the role.



And? Batman is MUCH more popular in the US...so what's you point? 252 Milion dollars in 1989? About 400 million in 07' when adjusted for inflation.....Superman was never as popular as Batman in the US in the box office. Oh, and SR did have that little movie to contend with last summer. I believe the 3rd highest grossing film of ALL TIME. Dude Superman is the biggest comic book ICON EVER! Period! The only one that comes close is Spiderman, and then maybe Batman, and no trust me Superman is just as popular if not more so then Batman in the USA.

Plus Superman Returns had things going for it that Batman didn't... For 1!
It was the first Superman movie in what 20 plus years?

Batman was coming off a terrible couple of movies just a few years before, and so it had to gain back the fanbase that it lost.

Batman opened with a smaller domestic boxoffice, and had better legs due to the positive word of mouth.... Something that SR DID NOT HAVE!



And the rest of the accounted money? I don't recall seeeing Batman in 7/11, Duracell, and Papa John's to name a few....guess that was just done for free. Batman had smaller tie in's true... No lie there but guess what!!!?? The Superman Returns stuff! Didn't sell! haha
They lost money on the toys, and a few other tie in's.
The Papa John tie in wasn't done until the dvd came out, and it was to help promote the dvds, and that tie in was stupid all it was is a Pizza box with the SR logo on it... WOW Big deal.
No way to tell really if that had any affect on anything since PaPa John never reported amazing sales do to the tie in.... So whatever.
Check out this link Batman Begins (http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=137131&section=indepth) but here ill show you the section I like...

"How do you destroy one of the most lucrative film franchises in Hollywood history? By concentrating on toys and fast-food tie-ins rather than story and characters. That was the harsh lesson Warner Bros learned when critics and fans newly empowered by the internet savaged Joel Schumacher's ridiculously camp 1997 effort Batman & Robin. Still, given the renewed interest in comic books and Batman's iconic status, it's no wonder the studio worked overtime to revive a film version."

Good job pickle you might have just pin pointed what the root of the problem was with SR... :whatever:

Too much time was spent on it's food tie in, and Brandon's cod piece, and not on the Story, Characters, and the important things which make a movie good or great like Batman Begins.


You mean, the Ultimate Collection, Special Edition Superman 2, and ALL Superman related DVD's that also got a boost from 'the year of Superman'. You seem to think they only made money with everything SR related. You seem to forget that the Superman name was marketed last year. Everything from Smallville DVD's to Superman comics benefitted from SR. Don't kid yourself. No what I mean is the Ultimate set sold really well, and in case you didn't know this just due to them putting the movie SR in there it gets a unit sold every time they sell a boxset.
It's like when you buy a double cd... The sound scan counts as two units being sold.


Oh, Rentals (and sales for that matter) did easily just as good as Batman Begins. :wow: A few million here or there isn't that big of a deal. They were both 'hits'. Yup, it's true. Roll your budget defense again. We all know that's all you got. Difference is one turned a profit in it's theatrical release, and the other didn't even after it's dvd release, and numerous tie in... Don't hate on the budget defense my friend... The truth scares you I can feel it... :wow:


It was also a far worse movie. And the 3rd of a trilogy. SR was the first of the revival of a franchise. One, that will continue with Bryan Singer directing, and Brandon Routh as SUPERMAN. :o Actually xmen 3 was a much better movie by all accounts, and even Kevin Smith said it, and I love his work, and take his word on these matters very deeply.
But if you want to say that Xmen 3 was the 3rd of a trilogy guess what!?
SR is a movie made to follow the storyline after Superman 2! In other words it's in a way the 3rd in the series now.... So again your excuses are meaningless, and without thought.


This is funny. Almost as believable as you having a girlfriend.

8 years we have been together, and unlike the women in your life she is a normal human being, and not inflatable... :yay:

[C. Lee]

Oh, and one funny sign that SR was a major flop can be seen at blockbuster video!! They are selling the pre-viewed copies for 4.99 which they only sell Direct to dvd or major flops that also didn't rent a whole lot at that price.

I know this as fact because I worked for Blockbuster for a good 3 years, and know how their system works.

You can get it either as this special they have which is 4dvd's for 20$ or the movie itself for $4.99 which tells me that they can't give this movie away...

That says an awful lot about the final product Singer released last year...
You do realize that not all Blockbusters are run the same, don't you? The Blockbuster in my town puts their used DVDs on sale in 3 ways....(1) They are individually priced (2) they have certain ones priced at 2 for $20.00 (3) they have others set at 4 for $20.00. This week at my store, SR was still priced in the 2 for $20 (or individually priced at $12.99). At your store it might be cheaper...I'm not denying that....what I am saying is....not all Blockbuster stores operate the same. There are pricing differences accross the country.

[BareKnucklez]

Geez, Bareknucklez. Hating on the guy is like crack for you.lol

I love Smallville and TW. I love Routh and SR. I do think of TW more because I watch him everyweek. Daniel Craig is a damn good Bond, but that doesn't mean Pierce Brosnan is forgotten.

Routh was more judged against Reeve than Welling. Once the tv show is gone, Welling won't be remember as Superman.

lol it's all good Routh won't be playing the role either once the last episode of Smallville rolls out.
Welling will always be known as this generations Superman, and that's something people just have to get used to.
Like I said I think a total re-start after Smallville is over is not a bad idea... As long as Singer, and co are not involved in anyway shape or form.

[C. Lee]

How about everyone discuss this without the personal insults......I don't really want to get angry tonight.

[Angeloz]

"X-Men 3" was a better film?

Angeloz

[Agentsands77]

Welling will always be known as this generations Superman, and that's something people just have to get used to.
Welling's no more this generation's Superman than Dean Cain was last generation's Superman.

[BareKnucklez]

You do realize that not all Blockbusters are run the same, don't you? The Blockbuster in my town puts their used DVDs on sale in 3 ways....(1) They are individually priced (2) they have certain ones priced at 2 for $20.00 (3) they have others set at 4 for $20.00. This week at my store, SR was still priced in the 2 for $20 (or individually priced at $12.99). At your store it might be cheaper...I'm not denying that....what I am saying is....not all Blockbuster stores operate the same. There are pricing differences accross the country.

They all run their pre-viewed dvd's the same way... The way you said it is the way that it runs but yes prices do change depending on sales in that city.
SR was originally 12.99 also here pre-viewed, and then lowered because it wasn't selling.

The way they range their prices is as so... 14.99 and up are movies which had good rental numbers, 12.99 are movies that did just decent in rentals, and actually might have under performed a bit in that region but it did well enough to merit it not being lower priced, and 9.99 for movies which didn't really rent a whole lot, and they want to give away in the 4 for 20 sale... But the bottom of the list are the 4.99 which are movies that tanked in rentals, and then in pre-viewed sales also... I have no problem stopping by my local store tomorrow, and taking a picture of the dvd with the 4.99 sticker on it... If you need proof! heh :woot:

The way the sales are done are the same EVERYWHERE... Blockbuster sets it's sales promotions the same for all stores, and while yes some stores might have movies priced a bit different if the movie is priced at 12.99 then my friend this means that it did decent rentals but nothing great, and actually might have under performed, and will soon see 9.99 or the deaded 4.99 stickers on them.

I know Blockbuster video inside, and out lol like I said I worked there...

[BareKnucklez]

Welling's no more this generation's Superman than Dean Cain was last generation's Superman.

Oh but Dean Cain was!
My niece never had seen the Reeve movies until I showed her them last year (shes now 16) and the person she saw as her Superman was Dean Cain because she grew up watching HIM as Superman.

Sorry man that argument is bogus...

[Agentsands77]

Dude Superman is the biggest comic book ICON EVER! Period! The only one that comes close is Spiderman, and then maybe Batman, and no trust me Superman is just as popular if not more so then Batman in the USA.
Biggest icon and most popular are two different things. In the end, I think Batman would probably end up as the more popular character, at least as far as the past decade is concerned.

"How do you destroy one of the most lucrative film franchises in Hollywood history? By concentrating on toys and fast-food tie-ins rather than story and characters. That was the harsh lesson Warner Bros learned when critics and fans newly empowered by the internet savaged Joel Schumacher's ridiculously camp 1997 effort Batman & Robin. Still, given the renewed interest in comic books and Batman's iconic status, it's no wonder the studio worked overtime to revive a film version."
I wouldn't say any of that plagued SUPERMAN RETURNS. That film, despite outside promotion deals, isn't really a toy-producer. It's remarkably anti-toy, really, considering that there aren't any supervillains for Superman to fight, and it's really centered around relational and more philosophical aspects rather than standard popcorn movie action.

Actually xmen 3 was a much better movie by all accounts, and even Kevin Smith said it, and I love his work, and take his word on these matters very deeply.
Well guess what? I think Kevin Smith made one good film, and otherwise, his opinions are no more valid than those of any other reasonably well-educated fanboy.

SR is a movie made to follow the storyline after Superman 2! In other words it's in a way the 3rd in the series now.... So again your excuses are meaningless, and without thought.'
Fans often misconstrue SUPERMAN RETURNS relationship to SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN II. SUPERMAN RETURNS uses them as a sort of vague backstory and background so Singer wouldn't have to retread an origin story again and have some ground with which to tell a story, but they're not entirely direct sequels.

[C. Lee]

First thanks C. Lee for your information about trying to fix things. It has been better so far with the occasional hiccup.
No problem....I'm here to answer questions.
I love Christopher Reeve too and he was my introduction to the character as well as the reason I love him. I've said it before but some people can't accept different versions of Superman for whatever their closed-minded reasons are. That also includes those that hate "Smallville" too. Though they there is a point when it comes to the absolute ludicrous idea that he'd be able to have a secret identity when he adopts a costume. Unless everyone in the show has a mind-wipe of epic proportions or he has kryptonian plastic surgury where he looks like someone else entirely. Though I don't blame any actors for that - just the writers. By the way a generation is considered something around 20-30 years. But whatever floats your boat. I'll point out I also like George Reeves too as well as the animated series including the Justice League shows. I've also awhile ago read the comics and some of "Up, Up and Away". My point is I don't limit myself to just one version. I can like as well as love many though I have preferences.
I was first introduced to Supes through George Reeves, then Kirk Alyn.....Chris came late to the game for me.....but he's the best to me. I'm a Smallville fan too.....I don't agree with all of the directions they have taken....but I still like the show.
"X-Men 3" had good ads - I even liked them (which is hard to do). Also it didn't have a Pirate film nor any other major blockbuster when it was released and after the first week it dropped like a stone (or near abouts) i.e. it was frontloaded coming from the successful first two films. I don't know about the DVD figures outright and I believe it's rather shadowy usually 'cos there's no Box Office Mojo like site for them. As I said it's not surprising there's surplus DVDs as they always occur for major films. And some of us never bother with renting. I don't think I've done so for around ten years. I buy it or see it on TV.
I haven't rented anything for years either. I see them at the theater, buy them used, or watch them on cable.

[Agentsands77]

Oh but Dean Cain was!
My niece never had seen the Reeve movies until I showed her them last year (shes now 16) and the person she saw as her Superman was Dean Cain because she grew up watching HIM as Superman.

Sorry man that argument is bogus...
Nah, it ain't. Even if your niece has a connection to Dean Cain (which is terribly subjective - your niece is hardly indicative of much at all beyond your niece), there's not a huge Dean Cain fandom out there. He's not a "definitive" Superman. In the same sense, neither is Welling - he has his supporters, but he's not going to be one for the ages, and he's not really viewed as Superman, per se, but just Clark Kent. They've both put a mark in the role, but to say that Welling or Cain was Superman for a generation is stretching their impact, I think.

The jury's still out on Routh. He has a single movie to his name, and that didn't go over well, so it's not looking good for him.

[C. Lee]

I have no problem stopping by my local store tomorrow, and taking a picture of the dvd with the 4.99 sticker on it... If you need proof! heh :woot:

And where did I ask for proof? I said that different stores price their things differently....AND....that that might be the price at your store, but it isn't at mine. I did not challenge you to a duel.

[BareKnucklez]

Biggest icon and most popular are two different things. In the end, I think Batman would probably end up as the more popular character, at least as far as the past decade is concerned.


I wouldn't say any of that plagued SUPERMAN RETURNS. That film, despite outside promotion deals, isn't really a toy-producer. It's remarkably anti-toy, really, considering that there aren't any supervillains for Superman to fight, and it's really centered around relational and more philosophical aspects rather than standard popcorn movie action.


Well guess what? I think Kevin Smith made one good film, and otherwise, his opinions are no more valid than those of any other reasonably well-educated fanboy.

'
Fans often misconstrue SUPERMAN RETURNS relationship to SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN II. SUPERMAN RETURNS uses them as a sort of vague backstory and background so Singer wouldn't have to retread an origin story again and have some ground with which to tell a story, but they're not entirely direct sequels.

Lois had his kid from when they had sex in part 2... Sorry that's not very vague... That my friend is a DIRECT sequel.
Singer said that whole Vague sequel stuff to not upset Reeve fans who wouldn't want someone threading over his work. (Like myself)

[Pickle-El]

You are right a lot of people do... Brandon's mom, his dad, Bryan Singer, Dan Harris, Michael Dougherty, you, and a few other people who like to watch a water down carbon copy of Chris Reeve replace Chris instead of giving an actor who has his own look, and take on the role.

That's why he's won countless awards from organizations (and fan magazines llike Empire) that applaud his take....you really don't know what you're talking about do you? I thought you were just joking at first. It's obvious you're not.


Dude Superman is the biggest comic book ICON EVER! Period!

See. This is why people HATE Superman fans. The over-inflated ego. Superman may be the icon, the show-stoppa, the main event.....BUT, that doesn't mean ----. Michael Jordan is pretty well known. Doesn't mean a movie about him is going to gross 300 million dollars. Hell, Titanic rips the B O Gross of Passion of the Christ to shreds. And Jesus is the most famous person we've produced... Name recognition doesn't necessarily mean instant money. Superman IV anyone?


The only one that comes close is Spiderman, and then maybe Batman, and no trust me Superman is just as popular if not more so then Batman in the USA.

As you can see. It's simply Spiderman's time. You're jealousy doesn't change that. It is what it is. The quality of SR is what seperates it from the rest.


Plus Superman Returns had things going for it that Batman didn't... For 1!
It was the first Superman movie in what 20 plus years?

I thought that would help. Turns out, audiences moved on. To Spiderman, Batman, X-Men, Fantastic Four, DareDevil, etc........to name a few. It took too damn long to get off the ground. Superman has been replaced in the general public, not forgotten. I'm actually kinda glad, this whole 'emo' movement is nothing I'd want for writers to start injecting into Superman/Clark Kent.


Batman was coming off a terrible couple of movies just a few years before, and so it had to gain back the fanbase that it lost.

Even those horrible movies were grossing hundreds of millions of dollars. ALL OF THEM. They still had a feature film fanbase. Unlike the dreaded Superman IV. Superman was DEAD. (The smallscreen doesn't count btw when it comes to the big screen btw)


Batman opened with a smaller domestic boxoffice, and had better legs due to the positive word of mouth.... Something that SR DID NOT HAVE!

They were both VERY similar in performance. I don't see how anyone without 2, hell, 1 working eye can't see that...Is there really a HUGE difference, or even a big one? No.



Batman had smaller tie in's true... No lie there but guess what!!!?? The Superman Returns stuff! Didn't sell! haha

Yes it did!!! YES IT DID> HAHA!


They lost money on the toys, and a few other tie in's.
The Papa John tie in wasn't done until the dvd came out, and it was to help promote the dvds, and that tie in was stupid all it was is a Pizza box with the SR logo on it... WOW Big deal.
No way to tell really if that had any affect on anything since PaPa John never reported amazing sales do to the tie in.... So whatever.

People are laughing at you right now....seriously. They used Superman on Papa John and many other marketers as their 'face' for the summer....to lose money. Makes sense. I'm sure it does to you knuckles.

Check out this link Batman Begins (http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=137131&section=indepth) but here ill show you the section I like...

"How do you destroy one of the most lucrative film franchises in Hollywood history? By concentrating on toys and fast-food tie-ins rather than story and characters. That was the harsh lesson Warner Bros learned when critics and fans newly empowered by the internet savaged Joel Schumacher's ridiculously camp 1997 effort Batman & Robin. Still, given the renewed interest in comic books and Batman's iconic status, it's no wonder the studio worked overtime to revive a film version."

Good job pickle you might have just pin pointed what the root of the problem was with SR... :whatever:

The SR Nipples were a huge problem...hopefully he flies around wearing only a cape next time. That would be pretty awesome. Maybe we could get a glimpse of the limited edtion FOS Visa Card....how cool would that be?


Too much time was spent on it's food tie in, and Brandon's cod piece, and not on the Story, Characters, and the important things which make a movie good or great like Batman Begins.

Well. The majority of places to gauge how people responded to SR compared to Batman Begins says otherwise. I'll take ALL their words over yours for it.

www.rottentomatoes.com

Not that I don't believe you of course.....:o


No what I mean is the Ultimate set sold really well, and in case you didn't know this just due to them putting the movie SR in there it gets a unit sold every time they sell a boxset.
It's like when you buy a double cd... The sound scan counts as two units being sold.

You just don't get it do you? Did they ever tell you that he point of business is to make money?


Difference is one turned a profit in it's theatrical release, and the other didn't even after it's dvd release, and numerous tie in... Don't hate on the budget defense my friend... The truth scares you I can feel it...

And they both underperformed and still turned profits.....and we're still getting sequels for both. Who knew? :eek:


Actually xmen 3 was a much better movie by all accounts, and even Kevin Smith said it, and I love his work, and take his word on these matters very deeply.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/DaBadGuy82/PIE.jpg

But if you want to say that Xmen 3 was the 3rd of a trilogy guess what!?
SR is a movie made to follow the storyline after Superman 2! In other words it's in a way the 3rd in the series now.... So again your excuses are meaningless, and without thought.

Damn....got me there. :dry:



8 years we have been together, and unlike the women in your life she is a normal human being, and not inflatable... :yay:

:csad:

[BareKnucklez]

Nah, it ain't. Even if your niece has a connection to Dean Cain (which is terribly subjective - your niece is hardly indicative of much at all beyond your niece), there's not a huge Dean Cain fandom out there. He's not a "definitive" Superman. In the same sense, neither is Welling - he has his supporters, but he's not going to be one for the ages, and he's not really viewed as Superman, per se, but just Clark Kent. They've both put a mark in the role, but to say that Welling or Cain was Superman for a generation is stretching their impact, I think.

The jury's still out on Routh. He has a single movie to his name, and that didn't go over well, so it's not looking good for him.

Well I know my niece is not subjective to ALL people but im just saying that there are people which see Dean as their generations Superman.
As for Routh you are right the jury is still out on him, and it's not looking good so far.

And where did I ask for proof? I said that different stores price their things differently....AND....that that might be the price at your store, but it isn't at mine. I did not challenge you to a duel.
heh that was to be taken more as a joke then anything else but I would never duel you Mr Lee! heh :woot:

[Agentsands77]

Lois had his kid from when they had sex in part 2...
Or, Lois had his kid from they had sex in the past at some point.

Sorry that's not very vague... That my friend is a DIRECT sequel.
Nah, especially since Singer said he ignored any concept of the "amnesia kiss" and things like that, which shows he wasn't too preoccupied with making it a direct sequel with complete faithfulness in continuity. He was utilizing them as a vague backstory on which he could build a Superman film.

He made it clear again and again in interviews that he didn't view this as a third installment as much as he viewed it as a re-establishment of the hero, that was more of a standalone entity than anything. At best, SUPERMAN RETURNS is a pseudo-sequel to the Reeve films.

Singer said that whole Vague sequel stuff to not upset Reeve fans who wouldn't want someone threading over his work. (Like myself)
You would know, wouldn't you, because I'm sure Singer expressed that to you personally. :whatever:

[ant3ros]

Man, one of the most exciting things about the next Superman is seeing Brandon mature as an actor and physically. I bet he'll look more and more like the Superman we all imagine.

[BareKnucklez]

That's why he's won countless awards from organizations (and fan magazines llike Empire) that applaud his take....you really don't know what you're talking about do you? I thought you were just joking at first. It's obvious you're not. Charlie's Angels 1 & 2 won countless awards also, and those movies stunk!

In fact most of the awards Routh has won have also been the one's given to Charlie's Angels.

Awards do not make one great...



See. This is why people HATE Superman fans. The over-inflated ego. Superman may be the icon, the show-stoppa, the main event.....BUT, that doesn't mean ----. Michael Jordan is pretty well known. Doesn't mean a movie about him is going to gross 300 million dollars. Hell, Titanic rips the B O Gross of Passion of the Christ to shreds. And Jesus is the most famous person we've produced....:wow: Name recognition doesn't necessarily mean instant money. Superman IV anyone? Superman is the best known comic book character, and by the way a movie with Michael Jordan did pretty darn well at the boxoffice... Ever see Space Jam? lol
Maybe not 300million but then again what movie with a basketball player as the lead character has ever made $300 million?
It did $90million domestically, and $230,418,342 world wide? lol better then any of Shaq's work for sure!


As you can see. It's simply Spiderman's time. You're jealousy doesn't change that. It is what it is. The quality of SR is what seperates it from the rest. It is Spiderman's time I agree, and I am not jealous... I love both Spiderman & Superman so im happy about how well Spiderman is doing.
Raimi does Spiderman the right way, and that's what separates it from SR.


I thought that would help. Turns out, audiences moved on. To Spiderman, Batman, X-Men, Fantastic Four, DareDevil, etc........to name a few. It took too damn long to get off the ground. Superman has been replaced in the general public, not forgotten. I'm actually kinda glad, this whole 'emo' movement is nothing I'd want for writers to start injecting into Superman/Clark Kent. Well Brandon is very "emo" like in his look, and so sorry Pickle it's happening.

By the way there won't ever be a day when Daredevil, Fantastic Four or Xmen can even be on the same level as Superman... Well actually only Unless Singer is directing it of course. :woot:


Even those horrible movies were grossing hundreds of millions of dollars. ALL OF THEM. They still had a feature film fanbase. Unlike the dreaded Superman IV. Superman was DEAD. (The smallscreen doesn't count btw when it comes to the big screen btw) Daredevil flopped get your story straight... So badly that the sequel never got made.
Sound familiar?


They were both VERY similar in performance. I don't see how anyone without 2, hell, 1 working eye can't see that...Is there really a HUGE difference, or even a big one? No. Oh but there is...


Yes it did!!! YES IT DID> HAHA! Prove it! haha

People are laughing at you right now....seriously. They used Superman on Papa John and many other marketers as their 'face' for the summer....to lose money. Makes sense. I'm sure it does to you knuckles. Didn't C Lee say something about not insulting each other here or something along those lines? Anyway dude you should know how it feels to be laughed at.. People laugh at you ALL the time. :o


The SR Nipples were a huge problem...hopefully he flies around wearing only a cape next time. That would be pretty awesome. Maybe we could get a glimpse of the limited edtion FOS Visa Card....how cool would that be?So you get your Superman Returns Super Stripper boots yet?
By the way the Nipples on the bat suit was a bad idea then, and it's still one now... Notice on BB no nipples...


Well. The majority of places to gauge how people responded to SR compared to Batman Begins says otherwise. I'll take ALL their words over yours for it.

www.rottentomatoes.com (http://www.rottentomatoes.com)

Not that I don't believe you of course.....:o
yea the early pre-release reviews were pretty good until the movie came out, and the fan word of mouth was terrible.

This wouldn't be the first movie to have this happen, and wont be the last.
Some movies are loved by critics, and hated by others... Check out Ebert & Roper's review on SR, and tell me if they were in love with it... lol


You just don't get it do you? Did they ever tell you that he point of business is to make money? Yea, and that's something that SR did not do... Batman Begins on the other hand... haha :oldrazz:


And they both underperformed and still turned profits.....and we're still getting sequels for both. Who knew? Correction! Batman's opening was really under predictions but its total boxoffiice result was very good because the word of mouth was excellent, and the movie had stong legs... Did I mention that it turned a profit? lol


www.fotosearch.com/comp/corbis/DGT388/BCO20035.jpg

Damn....got me there. :dry:
Enjoy the pie pickle you wear it well... Now don't go all Jim from American pie on it ok son?


:csad:What the truth still hurting?

[BareKnucklez]

Or, Lois had his kid from they had sex in the past at some point. Yea when Superman gave up his powers in Superman 2... How else would he have a child with her? Have you not seen Mallrats? lol


Nah, especially since Singer said he ignored any concept of the "amnesia kiss" and things like that, which shows he wasn't too preoccupied with making it a direct sequel with complete faithfulness in continuity. He was utilizing them as a vague backstory on which he could build a Superman film. so pretty much it's the same backstory... hmm I don't know man that sounds like a sequel to me!


He made it clear again and again in interviews that he didn't view this as a third installment as much as he viewed it as a re-establishment of the hero, that was more of a standalone entity than anything. At best, SUPERMAN RETURNS is a pseudo-sequel to the Reeve films. I also heard him say that it picks up where the first two leaves off, and clearly this means sequel... Even if vague as he said it's still a sequel.


You would know, wouldn't you, because I'm sure Singer expressed that to you personally. :whatever: lol well this one time at band camp...


Man, one of the most exciting things about the next Superman is seeing Brandon mature as an actor and physically. I bet he'll look more and more like the Superman we all imagine.

lol he has a lot of Maturing left before he's ready to be Superman, and unless that guy gets himself in the Gym now he wont be any bigger for the sequel meaning SuperSkinnyMan will be returning sometime in the next 3 years if Singer gets his way.

[Pickle-El]

This debate's mileage is all but been stretched to the limit..... repeated lol, saying 'superskinnyman' and haha's are a stark reminder that it's over and that it's time to take old Yeller out back....

[BareKnucklez]

This debate's mileage is all but been stretched to the limit..... repeated lol, saying 'superskinnyman' and haha's are a stark reminder that it's over and that it's time to take old Yeller out back....

Go on boy I got my shotgun with me... I'll put you out of your misery... :woot:

[Angeloz]

No problem....I'm here to answer questions.

:up:

I was first introduced to Supes through George Reeves, then Kirk Alyn.....Chris came late to the game for me.....but he's the best to me. I'm a Smallville fan too.....I don't agree with all of the directions they have taken....but I still like the show.

I watch it to be entertained ("Smallville"). In Australia there were few channels (until recently - Pay TV is expensive; I prefer the internet) and they didn't put on George Reeves until the nineties (or I didn't see them until then at around 2am - video is a friend). And I didn't see most episodes until the DVD release last year though they've yet to release the final two seasons here. :(

I haven't rented anything for years either. I see them at the theater, buy them used, or watch them on cable.

:up:

Angeloz

[ShadowBoxing]

6 months is the perfect amount of time. That way, it's not so long he could slack off and possibly lose mass. It's long enough he'll get into it and be strict.

Bale should train him :D ;)

He's a magician of body types.

From this http://www.script-o-rama.com/blog/machinist.jpg

To this http://img.interia.pl/rozrywka/nimg/Christian_Bale_bale_Bale_660041.jpg

Then somehow this


Bale was put on medicinal steroids because at that weight (in the Machinist ) he was almost dead.

[Sun_Down]

Just out of curiosity, have any of the "lawlz, superskinnyman" people watched the DVD extras? Because watching Brandon train, there was no doubt that he was in excellent shape for the role. I'll agree that the suit constained him, but you just simply cannot say he wasn't big enough.

[Angeloz]

You underestimate Sun_Down some male fans obsession with muscles especially chest muscles. ;)

Angeloz

[Qwerty©]

Just out of curiosity, have any of the "lawlz, superskinnyman" people watched the DVD extras? Because watching Brandon train, there was no doubt that he was in excellent shape for the role. I'll agree that the suit constained him, but you just simply cannot say he wasn't big enough.People are too stubborn to admit they are wrong.

[DorkyFresh]

no...some people just have it in their head that they're opinon is RIGHT. in their minds, they're right no matter what anyone says, does, or proves.

[C. Lee]

Just out of curiosity, have any of the "lawlz, superskinnyman" people watched the DVD extras? Because watching Brandon train, there was no doubt that he was in excellent shape for the role. I'll agree that the suit constained him, but you just simply cannot say he wasn't big enough.

Always remember...fan is the shortened version of FANATIC...


fa·nat·ic [ fə náttik ]


noun (plural fa·nat·ics)

Definition:

1. extremist: a holder of extreme or irrational enthusiasms or beliefs, especially in religion or politics


2. fan of something: somebody who is very enthusiastic about a pastime or hobby


3. many of the regulars at the SuperHeroHype!

[Showtime]

...and some of the irregulars...

[DorkyFresh]

lol. exactly...i wouldn't really say there are that many regular people that hang out at the hype...

[Sun_Down]

Always remember...fan is the shortened version of FANATIC...


fa·nat·ic [ fə náttik ]


noun (plural fa·nat·ics)

Definition:

1. extremist: a holder of extreme or irrational enthusiasms or beliefs, especially in religion or politics


2. fan of something: somebody who is very enthusiastic about a pastime or hobby


3. many of the regulars at the SuperHeroHype!

LOL :up:

[bosef982]

Always remember...fan is the shortened version of FANATIC...


fa·nat·ic [ fə náttik ]


noun (plural fa·nat·ics)

Definition:

1. extremist: a holder of extreme or irrational enthusiasms or beliefs, especially in religion or politics


2. fan of something: somebody who is very enthusiastic about a pastime or hobby


3. many of the regulars at the SuperHeroHype!

Hey, how come I get blasted when I call people fanatics on these boards? I'm not whining or anything, but that's just wierd.


Anyway, I don't now who this Knuckles character is but he clearly has a different taste than many people present in this debate. To say that his taste represents everyone else's in movie history is just an arrogant assumption that enjoys as little support as his arguments do.

I'd just leave this crazy at the door and move on.

This is also the sequel board, not the Superman Returns board.

[ariellem]

lol. exactly...i wouldn't really say there are that many regular people that hang out at the hype...

Regular superhero fans, yes! Average, boring people with no fantasy life or imagination - no.

[superbaby]

Brandon has got the superman's curse right away...

[BareKnucklez]

Hey, how come I get blasted when I call people fanatics on these boards? I'm not whining or anything, but that's just wierd.


Anyway, I don't now who this Knuckles character is but he clearly has a different taste than many people present in this debate. To say that his taste represents everyone else's in movie history is just an arrogant assumption that enjoys as little support as his arguments do.

I'd just leave this crazy at the door and move on.

This is also the sequel board, not the Superman Returns board.

http://www.execupundit.com/uploaded_images/star-trek-inspirational-poster-724610.jpg

[C. Lee]

Hey, how come I get blasted when I call people fanatics on these boards? I'm not whining or anything, but that's just wierd.
It's called....context.

My reference was a lighthearted jab at all of us who post at the Hype in an attempt to lighten the mood.

You simply attack those that don't agree with your views.

[superbaby]

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/new_promos/dl_superboy_733x270.jpg
btw, brandon isn't any better than this superboy, appearance wise. if he could be replaced by gerard, brandon could be replaced too.
reboot all the wayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

[TheBat812]

Lois had his kid from when they had sex in part 2... Sorry that's not very vague... That my friend is a DIRECT sequel.
Singer said that whole Vague sequel stuff to not upset Reeve fans who wouldn't want someone threading over his work. (Like myself)
That's never established. Stop making **** up in an attempt to discredit SR. It's implied that Superman and Lois had an actual relationship as a couple.

[Angeloz]

I didn't know they wore those fashions in "Superman II" in the 1990s. ;)

Angeloz

[M.O.Steel]

That's never established. Stop making **** up in an attempt to discredit SR. It's implied that Superman and Lois had an actual relationship as a couple.

yet she has no idea who superman is...lame.

[TheBat812]

yet she has no idea who superman is...lame.
I'm sure the backlash against that would be just as great as with the kid.

[M.O.Steel]

i say stick with one or the other...if you're gonna go with the relationship angle, then she should pretty much know everything about him...if you want the secret identity to keep up, then don't put them in "that kind" of relatiohship

[superbaby]

i say stick with one or the other...if you're gonna go with the relationship angle, then she should pretty much know everything about him...if you want the secret identity to keep up, then don't put them in "that kind" of relatiohship
unfortunately, it's neither here nor there in SR. and it's up to your imagination again. excel, you got another assignment! :D

[mego joe]

i say stick with one or the other...if you're gonna go with the relationship angle, then she should pretty much know everything about him...if you want the secret identity to keep up, then don't put them in "that kind" of relatiohship


Exactly...

[mego joe]

unfortunately, it's neither here nor there in SR. and it's up to your imagination again. excel, you got another assignment! :D

The thing is, if Singer gets to do a sequel, he could actually tie up all the loose ends and vagueness in SR. I just can't imagine him rehashing all his own crappy ideas in another film.

[superbaby]

The thing is, if Singer gets to do a sequel, he could actually tie up all the loose ends and vagueness in SR. I just can't imagine him rehashing all his own crappy ideas in another film.
it would be a big pile of sh!!t then.

[BareKnucklez]

it would be a big pile of sh!!t then.

nothing would change much from it's current state then I see... :woot: ohhhh I kid I kid... Wait.... I don't kid... :hyper:

[Ita-KalEl]

This is the BR acceptance speech:

"Hello everyone. Thank you very much for honouring me with this award. Thank you to Space Channel and to all my Canadian fans. It's great to know all people around the world...even though you're not far from the US...love Superman and this new film and are excited about future installments...as am I and is Bryan. Thank you Bryan for his tireless work and for making this possible and bringing Superman back...creating a vision of him that we can all love and expect to see better things, bigger things to come. We may end up seeing you, some of you in Canada next year when we start filming a sequel...if we end up filming there. So, that will be very exciting. I have not yet been to Canada. I have heard wonderful things about Vancouver. I'm excited to get up there and learn about some Canadian culture. Thank you very much. I like to say I'm very excited...it's always great to know that we're doing good work where Superman is concerned. Thank you very much and take care everyone."
--
Source:
http://www.brandonrouth.com/

[TheComicbookKid]

These are Kevin Spacey's awards. This is fixed!!!!!:woot:

[Steelsheen]

well, the fact that they're making him run around plugging the sequel makes me think maybe it is still on track.

[mjbull23]

Very encouraging news.

Brandon is such a class act. :up:

[Mister J]

Can't wait for the 'Routh doesn't determine if there's a sequel. Nothing's been confirmed yet' remarks.

Looking forward to SR2.

[Showtime]

Makes sense about Vancouver, this was reported several times about possibly filming there.

It looks as though its all coming together.

[WhatsHisFace]

No Australian filming? Why, because the whole continent was on fire a few months ago?

[Halcohol]

No Australian filming? Why, because the whole continent was on fire a few months ago?
Probably because it's cheaper for an American movie to be filmed in Vancouver than it is in Australia. Plus, as was stated in the thread title, Smallville is filmed in BC so perhaps they might use some of the same crew/equipment/sets.

[Steelsheen]

Makes sense about Vancouver, this was reported several times about possibly filming there.

It looks as though its all coming together.

i thought they kept some of the sets and stuff on the Oz Fox lot :huh:

although i agree that it would be about the same cost if they went to Vancouver instead. also the shorter travel time would make everybody happy.

[Halcohol]

Fun note: Singer filmed X1 and X2 predominantly in Canada, so he's got experience with it and probably feels more comfortable. Also, the castle used as the X-Mansion in X2 and 3 is Lex's mansion in Smallville.

[Showtime]

They packed up alot of the sets, not sure what they did with them.

[dude love]

Kept them in storage would be my guess. It'll be easy to ship them off to Canada.

[Lighthouse]

Do we really need a new thread for everytime Brandon talks about doing a sequel? I mean really.

[Showtime]

In the FOS.

[Steelsheen]

They packed up alot of the sets, not sure what they did with them.
i thought they kept them in storage on the Fox lot.

oh well, if Vancouver is the place, hey yo Canucks here we come! :D


Fun note: Singer filmed X1 and X2 predominantly in Canada, so he's got experience with it and probably feels more comfortable. Also, the castle used as the X-Mansion in X2 and 3 is Lex's mansion in Smallville.
is that why we just keep seeing one or two rooms in the whole of Lex's mansion? didnt want to have viewers think "hey, isnt that the X-Men kitchen?" ;)

[Halcohol]

i thought they kept them in storage on the Fox lot.

oh well, if Vancouver is the place, hey yo Canucks here we come! :D



is that why we just keep seeing one or two rooms in the whole of Lex's mansion? didnt want to have viewers think "hey, isnt that the X-Men kitchen?" ;)
Oh probably. Lord knows whenever they show us the mansion at night I fully expect the helicopters to come swooping in.

[Showtime]

i thought they kept them in storage on the Fox lot. oh well, if Vancouver is the place, hey yo Canucks here we come!


I think they asked Singer about the location of the sets, his reply, "I only have a vague recollection."

[Hand Duet]

This is the BR acceptance speech:

"Hello everyone. Thank you very much for honouring me with this award. Thank you to Space Channel and to all my Canadian fans. It's great to know all people around the world...even though you're not far from the US...love Superman and this new film and are excited about future installments...as am I and is Bryan. Thank you Bryan for his tireless work and for making this possible and bringing Superman back...creating a vision of him that we can all love and expect to see better things, bigger things to come. We may end up seeing you, some of you in Canada next year when we start filming a sequel...if we end up filming there. So, that will be very exciting. I have not yet been to Canada. I have heard wonderful things about Vancouver. I'm excited to get up there and learn about some Canadian culture. Thank you very much. I like to say I'm very excited...it's always great to know that we're doing good work where Superman is concerned. Thank you very much and take care everyone."
--
Source:
http://www.brandonrouth.com/

Yet the WB says nothing...

Why haven't they announced anything? I hope they make another one.
I wasn't to happy with SR but I think they should get a shot to fix the mistakes they made. Even Joel S. got 2 shots at BATMAN for godsakes! :oldrazz:

[C. Lee]

No Australian filming? Why, because the whole continent was on fire a few months ago?

I doubt that's the reason....more likely it's that travel time to Canada is easier than to Australia, the closeness to Hollywood helps with certain technical aspects as well as making it easier to get more known actors for the smaller parts.

[Showtime]

Good thinking C. Lee.

[C. Lee]

Good thinking C. Lee.

I'm not just a pretty face you know.:hyper:

[Lighthouse]

Damnit C. Lee, everytime you show up I'm reminded that I'll probably never get to see a good Doc Savage flick.

[C. Lee]

Damnit C. Lee, everytime you show up I'm reminded that I'll probably never get to see a good Doc Savage flick.

Damnit Lighthouse, you just reminded me of the same thing!:cmad:

[Halcohol]

Damnit Lighthouse, you just reminded me of the same thing!:cmad:
I liked you better back when you were just a pretty face. :cool:

[C. Lee]

I liked you better back when you were just a pretty face. :cool:
You were around during the Dark Ages too?:wow:

[Justice Bringer]

I doubt theyll use any SV sets; SR had such bigger ones that obviously in storage for future films. They may use similar filming locations though; like the X2 Dam...... but yea; if they want to film in BC I'm so flying down there to try and see the sets!

[Garzo]

I wonder how they would film possible scenes set in Smallville, as the farmhouse was built in Australia. I guess it would be cheaper to rebuild it somewhere in Canada than to fly down under, but it would not look the same. Canada just doesn't have that unique southern hemisphere sky that you see in the movie. . . although with today's technology. . .

[BH/HHH]

Probably because it's cheaper for an American movie to be filmed in Vancouver than it is in Australia. Plus, as was stated in the thread title, Smallville is filmed in BC so perhaps they might use some of the same crew/equipment/sets.

Yeah well the barn pretty much looked the same in SR as it did in SV

[superbaby]

Yet the WB says nothing...

Why haven't they announced anything? I hope they make another one.
I wasn't to happy with SR but I think they should get a shot to fix the mistakes they made. Even Joel S. got 2 shots at BATMAN for godsakes! :oldrazz:
me too.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

All good news! Brandon is awesome!

[Justice Bringer]

Frig I wana see his segment on the Spacey awards though; hopefully someone at BT encodes it.

[Jack O Lantern]

They probably won't use the SV sets because Singer said that for X2 they were considering using the sets of the West Wing for the Nightcrawler Vs The President scene but TV sets look crap on the big screen.

I'm not sure why, probably to do with the attention to detail.

[nintendo nerd]

Does that mean that they will build the Daily Planet, Kent farm, again? If the rumors that they're reducing the budget for a sequel are true, I don't think this will help. I've heard the reason they shot in Australia was to reduce costs.

[Superman-Prime]

This is the BR acceptance speech:

"Hello everyone. Thank you very much for honouring me with this award. Thank you to Space Channel and to all my Canadian fans. It's great to know all people around the world...even though you're not far from the US...love Superman and this new film and are excited about future installments...as am I and is Bryan. Thank you Bryan for his tireless work and for making this possible and bringing Superman back...creating a vision of him that we can all love and expect to see better things, bigger things to come. We may end up seeing you, some of you in Canada next year when we start filming a sequel...if we end up filming there. So, that will be very exciting. I have not yet been to Canada. I have heard wonderful things about Vancouver. I'm excited to get up there and learn about some Canadian culture. Thank you very much. I like to say I'm very excited...it's always great to know that we're doing good work where Superman is concerned. Thank you very much and take care everyone."
--
Source:
http://www.brandonrouth.com/

So, Superman Returns 2 starts to film next year. That means we will see the sequel in 2009! Woo!

Excellent news. Brandon Routh rocks.

[nintendo nerd]

So, Superman Returns 2 starts to film next year. That means we will see the sequel in 2009! Woo!

Excellent news. Brandon Routh rocks.

Totally agree with you about Brandon, he is a great Superman.

I hope we have a sequel in 2009, too.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Translated: "Please god let there be a sequel. You all loved the first one didnt you? I really need the money and I'm tired of doing autograph signings and working with Kal Penn."

[Lighthouse]

Translated: "Please god let there be a sequel. You all loved the first one didnt you? I really need the money and I'm tired of doing autograph signings and working with Kal Penn."

Hulk, I think you need to get rid of your baby. Its not the same Hype or Planet without you. :yay:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hulk, I think you need to get rid of your baby. Its not the same Hype or Planet without you. :yay:

I know, I know. I've been trying to get on more but it usually comes down to this or sleep....

[Lighthouse]

I know, I know. I've been trying to get on more but it usually comes down to this or sleep....

Sleep is overrated. I don't sleep. Sure, I get hallucinations sometimes and occasionally break into hysterical crying, but other than that its awesome! :up:

[Superman-Prime]

Sleep is overrated. I don't sleep. Sure, I get hallucinations sometimes and occasionally break into hysterical crying, but other than that its awesome! :up:

...ouch.

Sleep is good and conformable.

Eh... I think I just became to Homer Simpson. >_>

[Lighthouse]

I hope its obvious that I was kidding cause I hate putting up the wink face.

[superbaby]

Translated: "Please god let there be a sequel. You all loved the first one didnt you? I really need the money and I'm tired of doing autograph signings and working with Kal Penn."
wow, that's harsh. he was superman, you know...

[FlawlessVictory]

The latest issue of Entertainment Weekly (issue #941/942 June 29/July 6, 2007 [double issue] with Heroes' Hayden Panettiere on the cover) has the following news and quote from Brandon Routh...

Warner Bros. has yet to make an announcement, but Brandon Routh is getting ready for his Supes sequel. "As far as I know it is going to be called 'Superman: Man of Steel'... I was told we should start filming early next year," he says. "I have to get back to the gym. I've let myself go."

The story is listed under "Deal Report" in the current Entertainment Weekly on stands now.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3603

[Superman-Prime]

Yay! The sequel is still going on!

[Excel]

unfortunatly, all that shows is that hes not in the loop as their clearly not going to be filming early next year...

[Angeloz]

Because you're psychic?

Angeloz

[Showtime]

News from the Singer camp again, it means something, but it's not as concrete as an announcement that a script has been turned in and the movie is moving forward from that. Looks like nothing is going to be said at Comic Con at this point...

[Lighthouse]

Seriously, why the hell is a thread made every time Brandon talks about the sequel. Its the exact same thing every single time. Its always "We're shooting next year, I'm gonna punch stuff etc..etc.." but people act like its late breaking news.

[Matt]

You guys know, that the movie could be all but dead and Routh would STILL say this for the publicity. His career NEEDS Superman Returns 2. Other than that, I agree with Lighthouse.

[Matt]

Because you're psychic?

Angeloz

A script hasn't even been turned in yet. There are going to be revisions up the ass (as Warner Bros is going to have their hands deep in the cookie jar this time), sets will have to be built, casting will have to be done, costumes will have to be designed. The February shoot date is no longer realistic.

[Angeloz]

I thought it was meant to be later anyway?

Angeloz

[Matt]

I thought it was meant to be later anyway?

Angeloz

Nope, Feb 2008 was the original start date.

[Pickle-El]

Here we go....it went from half-full to half empty, just like that!

:)

[Showtime]

I think Flawless didn't realize that this was reported in the Official Brandon Routh thread already. No harm. It can be moved or merged.

[Showtime]

Nope, Feb 2008 was the original start date.

Who said February, Peters?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

A script hasn't even been turned in yet. There are going to be revisions up the ass (as Warner Bros is going to have their hands deep in the cookie jar this time), sets will have to be built, casting will have to be done, costumes will have to be designed. The February shoot date is no longer realistic.

I do have to say it's odd to have a shooting date but no script, OR pre-production work beginning. I'm sure Routh is being told this. He wants to keep the buzz going and knows what fans want so I respect that :)

[FlawlessVictory]

I think Flawless didn't realize that this was reported in the Official Brandon Routh thread already. No harm. It can be moved or merged.

You're right, my bad. I usually catch things like that.

[C. Lee]

Seriously, why the hell is a thread made every time Brandon talks about the sequel. Its the exact same thing every single time. Its always "We're shooting next year, I'm gonna punch stuff etc..etc.." but people act like its late breaking news.

Seriously, why the hell is a gripe made every time Brandon talks about the sequel. Its the exact same thing every single time. it's always "They're not shooting next year, he's not going to punch stuff stc..etc.." but people act like its a brand new complaint.

Back and forth....back and forth.....

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Agreed. I hate when people act like everyone doesn't already know it's not an official confirmation. It's talked about because

1. This is the internet
2. It's a recent comment

Of course it is worth talking about.

If you can't figure out to take stuff with a grain of salt without being told, get off the f'n internet.

[Lighthouse]

Sorry, I have to remind myself sometimes its a forum and with no news we basically repeat the same argument in cycles until the next bit of news comes out. I've just been noticing everytime Brandon talks about the sequel, its usually the exact same thing that he's said before on multiple occasions and felt threads like these were a bit redundant. But thats the nature of a message board. So sorry folks, my bad.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Sorry, I have to remind myself sometimes its a forum and with no news we basically repeat the same argument in cycles until the next bit of news comes out. I've just been noticing everytime Brandon talks about the sequel, its usually the exact same thing that he's said before on multiple occasions and felt threads like these were a bit redundant. But thats the nature of a message board. So sorry folks, my bad.

It's cool. I wish we didn't have redundant news to go off of. You gotta realize Routh doesn't put it out there just to say the same old thing. He's saying the important things because he knows what fans want imo. It's kind of his way of getting things back to the big shots so to speak. What better way that publicly, getting a bit of backing buzz behind it? I like it.

[Matt]

Who said February, Peters?

Peters, as well as someone from Singer's camp if I'm not mistaken has said 02/08...maybe one of the writers?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Let's get an official pre-production date and let's hear about the first draft...

[Lighthouse]

The Peters interview mentioned pre-production by February, not shooting.

Here's the interview with Hollywood Reporter.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/features/e3if6c28ca5b32761d8ce927f43a0a2aae3


THR: What stage is the next installment of "Superman" in?
Peters: Right now, Bryan Singer is working on the story, and hopefully, that will be a script by the end of the year. And hopefully, we'll be in preproduction by, say, January or February of next year. "Superman Returns" was an amazing effort. You're talking about a story that's been made before; you're talking about the fact that we had to re-explore his youth, his origin. And now, the second movie allows us to go do things that people haven't seen before. Bryan is the best director I've ever worked with. It's very easy to produce or be with someone who's a brilliant, brilliant person. I equate my relationship with Bryan to the relationship I had with Barbra Streisand. Barbra was so gifted that it was easy to be able to adjust a little bit here or there. With Bryan, it's the same thing. He's a great person, and it's amazing cause he's such a sweet guy. He's almost like one of my kids, in a way.

[Lighthouse]

Edit: Double Post

[Justice Bringer]

You do realize this is why I made a Brandon Routh/Superman news thread; for Misc statements he makes like this about the sequel. Maybe that thread should be stickied for future reference.

[CConn]

A script hasn't even been turned in yet. There are going to be revisions up the ass (as Warner Bros is going to have their hands deep in the cookie jar this time), sets will have to be built, casting will have to be done, costumes will have to be designed. The February shoot date is no longer realistic.
Uh, Matty, you do realize the Dark Knight script wasn't finalized until like 3 months before TDK's filming, right?

I hope you also realize MAJOR casting decisions (including Harvey Dent's casting) wasn't made until like a month away from shooting?

I know you disliked SR, Matt, but this stuff you're coming up with... it's like your hatred for the film is so great, in your mind, EVERYTHING about the sequel has to be doomed to failure. Meanwhile you're ignoring actual logic and sense. I mean, I'm not saying SR will definitely start filming in February, or this or that, but nearly all of your arguments in regards to the sequel have been highly illogical and, IMO at least, quite brainless.

[Darth Elektra]

The latest issue of Entertainment Weekly (issue #941/942 June 29/July 6, 2007 [double issue] with Heroes' Hayden Panettiere on the cover) has the following news and quote from Brandon Routh...

Warner Bros. has yet to make an announcement, but Brandon Routh is getting ready for his Supes sequel. "As far as I know it is going to be called 'Superman: Man of Steel'... I was told we should start filming early next year," he says. "I have to get back to the gym. I've let myself go."
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3603

Sweet, I hope he's right. Hopefully a script will be turned in soon.

[Superman-Prime]

The Peters interview mentioned pre-production by February, not shooting.

Here's the interview with Hollywood Reporter.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/features/e3if6c28ca5b32761d8ce927f43a0a2aae3

Nice! Thanks for posting this. :up:

[TheComicbookKid]

I love facts:woot:

[Kevin Roegele]

The box office for Spidey 3 and the collapse of Wonder Woman will have helped push Superman 2: Superman 6 into production.

[Mr. Socko]

What Spider-Man and Wonder Woman got to do with anything :confused:

[griffolyon12]

You guys know, that the movie could be all but dead and Routh would STILL say this for the publicity. His career NEEDS Superman Returns 2. Other than that, I agree with Lighthouse.Routh's career is actually going well right now.He is starring in two films at the moment,according to both imdb and wikipedia.Sure they aren't big blockbusters,but they sound good and could really flex his acting muscles.

[Excel]

if routh is to become a big star or atleastr a respectable actor; hell have to do it the same way every one does it: string of unnconnected, word of mouth hits.

wre/are reeve or maguire draws outside their films? hell no. jackman is because hes had some word of mout hits, most noteably a few in 2006. keaton, kilmer, clooney, ect. were all pretty much famous before it.

routh still young; at worst hell be a josh hartnett...a famous guy who acts in bombs. That said; he was easily the best recieved aspect of superman returns. sequel or not, i would expect w.b. to try to keep for their next superman film which wont be that far off.

[Matt]

Routh's career is actually going well right now.He is starring in two films at the moment,according to both imdb and wikipedia.Sure they aren't big blockbusters,but they sound good and could really flex his acting muscles.

"Life is Hot In Cracktown" is an anthology, ensemble movie. Meaning his role will be fairly limited, and I'm pretty sure he is a fairly small role.

As for Lie to Me...well, it is a small arthouse movie that will be seen by no one outside of film festival atendees and stuck up NYU students on Friday nights. It is what Routh's career will become if he does not have a commercially viable success. After SR's disappointment, his only real chance at getting cast in one of those is SR2. So if it hits turn-around, he is a bit out of luck.

[Matt]

if routh is to become a big star or atleastr a respectable actor; hell have to do it the same way every one does it: string of unnconnected, word of mouth hits.

wre/are reeve or maguire draws outside their films? hell no. jackman is because hes had some word of mout hits, most noteably a few in 2006. keaton, kilmer, clooney, ect. were all pretty much famous before it.

routh still young; at worst hell be a josh hartnett...a famous guy who acts in bombs. That said; he was easily the best recieved aspect of superman returns. sequel or not, i would expect w.b. to try to keep for their next superman film which wont be that far off.

HArtnett is criminally underrated. If you need more proof, look no further than Lucky Number Slevin.

And you oversell Routh. He hasn't even come close to Hartnett's level yet. Worst case scenario for him right now is a career of small budget, 40 thousand dollar paycheck, art house movies.

[Justice Bringer]

Hes got a mainstream romantic comedy coming up hes starring in; they are just still casting the female lead.

[Matt]

Hes got a mainstream romantic comedy coming up hes starring in; they are just still casting the female lead.

Whats the title/premise? That can honestly be his career maker/breaker. Romantic comedies are very hit and miss and any actor will tell you that comedy is harder than drama. If he establishes a good comedic presence while holding his own in the dramatic scenes he could very well be on his way. After all, Seth Roegan, Steve Carrell, Paul Rudd, hell, even Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson have had their careers solified by romantic comedies. It is a really good way to find an audience.

[Mr. Socko]

HArtnett is criminally underrated. If you need more proof, look no further than Lucky Number Slevin.

And you oversell Routh. He hasn't even come close to Hartnett's level yet. Worst case scenario for him right now is a career of small budget, 40 thousand dollar paycheck, art house movies.


Agree. Hartnett is a good actor.

[Justice Bringer]

Whats the title/premise? That can honestly be his career maker/breaker. Romantic comedies are very hit and miss and any actor will tell you that comedy is harder than drama. If he establishes a good comedic presence while holding his own in the dramatic scenes he could very well be on his way. After all, Seth Roegan, Steve Carrell, Paul Rudd, hell, even Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson have had their careers solified by romantic comedies. It is a really good way to find an audience.

I dont know the title/ premise; thats all that BRc/Iris revealed at this point about it.

But even if its a career breaking move; theres always Superman. One thing for sure...good or bad; I wont be seeing it. I wish he did an action film instead, I hate rom comedies.

[Matt]

I dont know the title/ premise; thats all that BRc/Iris revealed at this point about it.

But even if its a career breaking move; theres always Superman. One thing for sure...good or bad; I wont be seeing it. I wish he did an action film instead, I hate rom comedies.

I honestly doubt his agent could get him a part in an action movie right now after the disappointment of SR at the box office.

[Justice Bringer]

Especially since SR wasnt an action movie, but if MoS is to the degree that WB said it would (the most action oriented DC picture so far).....things could be pretty different for him. I think he really needs to punch someone.

[Showtime]

I honestly doubt his agent could get him a part in an action movie right now after the disappointment of SR at the box office.

Now you're just being kooky. SR was not Lady in the Water or My Super ExGirlfriend. Again, despite that, I still don't know why he hasn't been accepting more roles. Not sure what he has been offered though.

[Matt]

Now you're just being kooky. SR was not Lady in the Water or My Super ExGirlfriend. Again, despite that, I still don't know why he hasn't been accepting more roles. Not sure what he has been offered though.

It was in many ways WORSE than Lady in the Water or My Super Exgirlfriend. It was his big budget, breakout role...and it completely under performed. That is a HUGE blow to a young, unestablished, actor's career.

[Showtime]

It was in many ways WORSE than Lady in the Water or My Super Exgirlfriend. It was his big budget, breakout role...and it completely under performed. That is a HUGE blow to a young, unestablished, actor's career.

Heh Heh. You're so dramatic. Are you an actor too Matt? :heart:

[Matt]

Heh Heh. You're so dramatic. Are you an actor too Matt? :heart:

Hehe I'm ready for my closeup Mr. Deville :cwink:

[Showtime]

Hehe I'm ready for my closeup Mr. Deville :cwink:

Wow now you're quoting classic Wilder? You are full of suprises.

I think that Routh needs the sequel, so I agree with you there, but I think if he sticks with the team of Singer, Dougherty, and Harris, even without the sequel he will get another shot.

[Matt]

Wow now you're quoting classic Wilder? You are full of suprises.

I think that Routh needs the sequel, so I agree with you there, but I think if he sticks with the team of Singer, Dougherty, and Harris, even without the sequel he will get another shot.

The thing is, I'm not sure it is his talent Singer was into, but his resemblence to Reeve, so if there is no SR2, Routh may have outlived his loyalty to that lot.

[Eros]

The thing is, I'm not sure it is his talent Singer was into, but his resemblence to Reeve, so if there is no SR2, Routh may have outlived his loyalty to that lot.

I believe singar even said he hired Routh partly due to his resemblance to Reeve, which is alittle sad.

[Justice Bringer]

IF Bryan was being truthful; he said Brandon's talent was first and foremost what he was looking for in the casting process. Watch the 'Casting Brandon Routh' press thing. Second was the physical properities that Superman needs to have; both facially and proportions.

[Eros]

IF Bryan was being truthful; he said Brandon's talent was first and foremost what he was looking for in the casting process. Watch the 'Casting Brandon Routh' press thing. Second was the physical properities that Superman needs to have; both facially and proportions.


His lack of dialogue in the movie compared to certain others seems to indicate otherwise.