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Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 11:32 AM
It sure as hell was one hell of a premiere. No where near as disappointment. Vulture's episode was my favorite and Electro's episode really showed how psychotic Max turned. Also loved the character development for Curt. Can't wait for next week.
What would you rate the premiere for both episodes on a scale of 1-10.
webhead731
03-08-2008, 11:35 AM
This show is kinda awful. Not TERRIBLE, but not good either. Probably won't continue doing this every Saturday. It's like they took my favorite stuff and crapped on it.
And no one tell me "IT'S FOR KIDS!" because there was NOTHING wrong with the 90's show.
:down
SpideyVille007
03-08-2008, 11:39 AM
I only saw the second episode, but it was good. Not as good as the 90's cartoon but still pretty good. Much better than I expected.
Visionary
03-08-2008, 11:41 AM
I give it an 8.
MattXG
03-08-2008, 11:47 AM
I think its better than the 90's cartoon (go back and try watching the 90's cartoon, its really not as good as you remember it)
But I don't really care much for the art style. Oh well, I can look past it.
I like how they've updated a lot of the characters (Liz, Gwen and Eddie Brock in particular)
I thought it was cool that they made Eddie a good guy here and I liked that they hinted at a bit of jealousy from Gwen when Pete was charming Liz.
I hope to see some Pete-Gwen-MJ showdowns later on and Eddie Brock becoming Venom should have a bigger impact on Spidey given the relationship they've shown them to have here.
So in the end, I don't dig the art style, do dig most of the animation, and absolutely love the setting and storytelling they've done.
I'm hopeful for what the future will bring with this.:woot:
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 11:48 AM
This show is kinda awful. Not TERRIBLE, but not good either. Probably won't continue doing this every Saturday. It's like they took my favorite stuff and crapped on it.
And no one tell me "IT'S FOR KIDS!" because there was NOTHING wrong with the 90's show.
:down
There was so much wrong with the 90s show, it's pathetic. Let's see...
- Hobgoblin before the Green Goblin.
- Horrendous voice acting, especially Mary Jane.
- 90% of the series being stock footage.
- No Gwen Stacy.
- No Betty Brant.
- Electro being the Red Skull's son.
- Hobgoblin's super glider designed to sell toys
- Lame dimensional portals.
- Norman Osborn being Kingpin's *****.
- Doc Ock being Kingpin's *****.
- Tombstone's Joker rip-off origin.
- Crappy CGI backgrounds.
Captain Planet!
03-08-2008, 11:49 AM
Awesome-tastic, I hope it lasts for years.
10/10
The Kid
03-08-2008, 11:54 AM
It was average at best. I grew up watching everything and enjoying the hell out of it. I loved power rangers, loved batman tas and adam west's version, loved superfriends and later justice league and teen titans. I'm that kind of guy, don't give much of a crap about comic accuracy as long as I"m having fun watching yunno? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand wasn't having that much fun with this. The drama seemed forced like in the mtv series. they need to work on that more. the 90s show's strength was its perfect balance between drama and action. I'm not saying they should copy exactly what was done back then but I wouldn't mind if they made the story flow more naturally.
tzarinna
03-08-2008, 11:57 AM
I liked it, got a few chuckles out of me.
It aired at 8 a.m. too and I thought I missed it.
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 12:00 PM
This show was so amazing!!! I loved every bit of it and the music was great to! I loved the development of Dr. Curt Connors and I loved both oriins of the Vulture and Electro! I can't wait for next saturday! :wow::up:
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 12:01 PM
It was average at best. I grew up watching everything and enjoying the hell out of it. I loved power rangers, loved batman tas and adam west's version, loved superfriends and later justice league and teen titans. I'm that kind of guy, don't give much of a crap about comic accuracy as long as I"m having fun watching yunno? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand wasn't having that much fun with this. The drama seemed forced like in the mtv series. they need to work on that more. the 90s show's strength was its perfect balance between drama and action. I'm not saying they should copy exactly what was done back then but I wouldn't mind if they made the story flow more naturally.
Alright, just saying you enjoyed Power Rangers destroys credibility. Terrible, terrible, terrible show.
I'm that kind of guy also, but the 90s series still had overly melodramatic writing and terrible animation and horrendous voice acting.
Forgive me, but the guy who made "Gargoyles" has a lot more credibility than the guy who made "Kissyfur"
webhead731
03-08-2008, 12:04 PM
There was so much wrong with the 90s show, it's pathetic. Let's see...
- Hobgoblin before the Green Goblin.
- Horrendous voice acting, especially Mary Jane.
- 90% of the series being stock footage.
- No Gwen Stacy.
- No Betty Brant.
- Electro being the Red Skull's son.
- Hobgoblin's super glider designed to sell toys
- Lame dimensional portals.
- Norman Osborn being Kingpin's *****.
- Doc Ock being Kingpin's *****.
- Tombstone's Joker rip-off origin.
- Crappy CGI backgrounds.
It was the 90's. No one cared. Especially us young Spidey fans.
It's 2008 now, why is this new show so dumb?
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 12:05 PM
i gave it a 9 loved the show, yes there was a few things i didnt like but still enjoyed the show alot. But everyone has their own opinion on things.
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 12:06 PM
It was the 90's. No one cared. Especially us young Spidey fans.
It's 2008 now, why is this new show so dumb?
I understand you didnt like the show much, what did u think was dumb about it?
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 12:07 PM
It was the 90's. No one cared. Especially us young Spidey fans.
It's 2008 now, why is this new show so dumb?
Funny, because I cared.
Brad Redfield
03-08-2008, 12:08 PM
I really like this show! Besides having Spidey actually fight (which is nice for a change) I like the ongoing plot the show has going on. The animation is fantastic as well, really fluid and colorful.
A few notes I'd like to make:
- Like Liz being hispanic instead of yet another blonde.
- LOVED Vulture's design, especially his eyes. They're like old-school cartoon villian eyes. I loved that.
- Electro super-charging Connor's formula (and thus might be responsible for the Lizard) was pretty nifty.
- Its great to see them utilizing Spidey's fantastic supporting cast. That was something the MTV series sorely lacked.
- The voice acting is very good. I really like Keaton's take on the webhead. Not too old sounding (Like every other Spidey toon) but doesn't sound like a kid. (Ultimate Spider-Man game)
The only gripe I have is that they cropped the show to fullscreen. Hopefully this'll be fixed on the DVDs.
All in all, a pretty damn good start to a potentially great series. Can't wait to see more.
8/10
The Kid
03-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Alright, just saying you enjoyed Power Rangers destroys credibility. Terrible, terrible, terrible show.
I'm that kind of guy also, but the 90s series still had overly melodramatic writing and terrible animation and horrendous voice acting.
Forgive me, but the guy who made "Gargoyles" has a lot more credibility than the guy who made "Kissyfur"
Why did you ignore all the other shows I said I watched? :huh:
Anyway I'm pointing out how my standards are incredibly low yet I still wasn't wowed out of my underwear here... that's all. Well I've seen shows start poorly and get better over time so here's hoping!!!
Mario_Galaxy
03-08-2008, 12:18 PM
If Electro comes back, I really hope they kill the electric nipple thing.
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 12:19 PM
If Electro comes back, I really hope they kill the electric nipple thing. Why? it looks fantastic and makes the suit look even cooler.
webhead731
03-08-2008, 12:21 PM
I understand you didnt like the show much, what did u think was dumb about it?
Lots.
-The music sounded like some bad product commercial for spy gear for kids
-Electro's whole..."origin". Happy electrician, in some electric eel room, drops a power drill, shocks himself and gets shocked around electric eels. Making "EELECTRO!"
-Why is Liz Hispanic? Was it Liz? Really? I'm not racist or anything, I just don't appreciate unneeded changes on characters I grew up with. She even talks like she's brand new to this country. Sorry, that just bothers me.
-Vulture was just...yeah. Weird. I hardly get what he was even doing. Maybe I was still too tired. But I didn't like his costume at all.
-Harry looks like a bigger dork than Peter does. What?
-Curt has a robotic arm? I felt more sorry for him with NO arm. That's just a nitpick though, understood.
-Electro "GRR I'M MAD! I CAN'T DRINK COFFEE ANYMORE! I HAVE ELECTRIC THINGS ON MY BODY THAT LOOK LIKE BREASTS! I HAVE A IRON MAN-GAS MASK TYPE THING ON MY HEAD AND LOOK NOTHING LIKE ELECTRO!"
-Eddie is just too nice. He looks like a Flash Thomson to me. Not impressed with his Venom look on the figure either.
-Does that one Enforcer have a mustache or am I seeing things? He looks like a beefed up Mario.
-Too kiddy. Belongs on WB for sure.
-Reminds me of "THE BATMAN", another bad WB show. I loved the 90's toon.
-The character designs are horrid. Spidey looks okay, but the others look bad to me.
-Peter looks like a child. Ben 10 anyone?
Now, there were SOME good things. Some of the action was okay, and I'm okay with Spider-Man's voice. And there were a couple funny things here and there. But other than that, I'm really disappointed. Though, it's not like I had my hopes high for this show anyway.
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 12:31 PM
ok man i understand you. They cant please everyone yes some do not like changes but they hope to apeal to majority of fans to be a sucess. As for villain looks they did say some were getting redesigned and as for vulture being black and red its a look used in one spiderman title and also they wanted to give variety in color scheme of villains since alot of spidey's villains are green. Also about the ethicity thing they wanted to have more diveristy like it is in today's world. Yes i would have liked if they didnt change the people they did but oh well. As for the animation yes the style takes time to get used to but they did it for a variety of reasons. There is a few internviews about it and i think someone else could tell u the reason.
Captain Planet!
03-08-2008, 12:34 PM
It was the 90's. No one cared. Especially us young Spidey fans.
It's 2008 now, why is this new show so dumb?
Because we didn't realize how dumb the 90's were, because we were really young and all we thought was, "Holy cow, Spider-Man is cool!". Going back and watching those old episodes, you really see how it wasn't as good as you thought it was, the story was good, but everything else kinda bad.
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 12:38 PM
Yea i loved the early 90s show when i was a little kid and still do when i watch episodes online of it. But now that i am older and understand how shows and entertainment biz work and observing things i see all the bad things that did go on in the show. But still great to watch from time to time and enjoying new show alot.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 12:38 PM
Because we didn't realize how dumb the 90's were, because we were really young and all we thought was, "Holy cow, Spider-Man is cool!". Going back and watching those old episodes, you really see how it wasn't as good as you thought it was, the story was good, but everything else kinda bad.
And even the stories weren't incredible either and it had some weak character development in some eps too. This already feels like THE Spider-Man show if all episodes are THIS good.
Brad Redfield
03-08-2008, 12:38 PM
-The music sounded like some bad product commercial for spy gear for kids
While I also didn't care much for the BGM myself (thats one thing the 90s series had on this one.) at least we didn't get HARDCORE RADIOACTIVE RAAAAAR SPIDER-MAN.
-Electro's whole..."origin". Happy electrician, in some electric eel room, drops a power drill, shocks himself and gets shocked around electric eels. Making "EELECTRO!"
Much better than either his Nazi origin in the 90s series (which was beyond retarded.) and the original "Oops! I got struck by lightning on a telephone pole!" origin, IMO.
-Why is Liz Hispanic? Was it Liz? Really? I'm not racist or anything, I just don't appreciate unneeded changes on characters I grew up with. She even talks like she's brand new to this country. Sorry, that just bothers me.
Do we honestly need another blonde on the show?
-Vulture was just...yeah. Weird. I hardly get what he was even doing. Maybe I was still too tired. But I didn't like his costume at all.
I personally loved his design, especially the eyes. I'm also glad that he isn't green anymore.
-Harry looks like a bigger dork than Peter does. What?
Gotta agree with you there...even though he did look like a bigger dork than Pete did in the comics. :cwink:
-Electro "GRR I'M MAD! I CAN'T DRINK COFFEE ANYMORE! I HAVE ELECTRIC THINGS ON MY BODY THAT LOOK LIKE BREASTS! I HAVE A IRON MAN-GAS MASK TYPE THING ON MY HEAD AND LOOK NOTHING LIKE ELECTRO!"
Even I have to admit that Electro's original design was tacky and well...awful. The suit actually has a purpose and he is much more imposing now. One thing I like to note that he does retain certain qualities of his original design.
-Does that one Enforcer have a mustache or am I seeing things? He looks like a beefed up Mario.
You mean Ox? I liked that he had a 'stache. Reminds me of those old 1920s wrestlers. Gives him a goofy edge. I like that.
-Too kiddy. Belongs on WB for sure.
I'm sure people said that about the 90s Spider-Man back when it debuted. There have been other Spidey shows in the past and people might have preferred those over the 90s toon (Myself included.) just like you're doing now. Nostalgia can be finicky.
But really, its a saturday morning-super hero cartoon and a Spider-Man one at that.
-Peter looks like a child. Ben 10 anyone?
Odd, I think he looks like your average teen. :oldrazz:
Captain Planet!
03-08-2008, 12:43 PM
And even the stories weren't incredible either and it had some weak character development in some eps too. This already feels like THE Spider-Man show if all episodes are THIS good.
I agree.
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 12:50 PM
The 1990's show was amazing and I loved it, but this show is staying so much closer to the comics than any other Spdiey cartoon ever. That's one of the reasons this show might be the greatest Spidey animated series there ever has been.
CaptainStacy
03-08-2008, 12:55 PM
This show is kinda awful. Not TERRIBLE, but not good either. Probably won't continue doing this every Saturday. It's like they took my favorite stuff and crapped on it.
And no one tell me "IT'S FOR KIDS!" because there was NOTHING wrong with the 90's show.
:down
Except the fact that Spider-Man got his ass kicked every five minutes. :yay:
Oh, and that Hobgoblin showed up before Green Goblin.
Web-Head
03-08-2008, 01:04 PM
10. If it keeps this up it'll blow everything else out of the water.
The Kid
03-08-2008, 01:22 PM
Except the fact that Spider-Man got his ass kicked every five minutes. :yay:
Oh, and that Hobgoblin showed up before Green Goblin.
I can't sit idly by while spidey tas gets sucker punched.
I think this new spidey is ok, not what I expected but it could improve so I won't argue against it too much. and the fact that I'll just get no where with it here...
tas on the other hand is similar to batman tas and of course x-men tas in that it gets more right than it got wrong. Will there ever be a better spidey voice than barnes? I doubt it though everyone is trying to copy his style. To me he is the Kevin Conroy of spiderman.
But even besides that, the episodes that were great were great, beautifully animated and the acting was excellent. Mark skywalker hamill was brilliant, the guy who played JJJ ed asner, loved him... then there was the venom arc which raimi tried to do in spidey 3 but just couldn't. so much more stuff that was just spot on besides some fumbles...
give tas some credit folks. It was a hell of a good interpretation for what it was allowed to be at the time.
CaptainStacy
03-08-2008, 01:28 PM
I can't sit idly by while spidey tas gets sucker punched.
I think this new spidey is ok, not what I expected but it could improve so I won't argue against it too much. and the fact that I'll just get no where with it here...
tas on the other hand is similar to batman tas and of course x-men tas in that it gets more right than it got wrong. Will there ever be a better spidey voice than barnes? I doubt it though everyone is trying to copy his style. To me he is the Kevin Conroy of spiderman.
But even besides that, the episodes that were great were great, beautifully animated and the acting was excellent. Mark skywalker hamill was brilliant, the guy who played JJJ ed asner, loved him... then there was the venom arc which raimi tried to do in spidey 3 but just couldn't. so much more stuff that was just spot on besides some fumbles...
give tas some credit folks. It was a hell of a good interpretation for what it was allowed to be at the time.
It was. But that time ended nearly a decade ago. At what point do we move on and embrace newer projects? Or do we just dwell on the past forever?
The Kid
03-08-2008, 01:35 PM
I'd argue this new series isn't doing anything we haven't seen already. to be honest I'd like to explore the spider-girl stories... (braces self for backlash)
CaptainStacy
03-08-2008, 01:43 PM
I'd argue this new series isn't doing anything we haven't seen already. to be honest I'd like to explore the spider-girl stories... (braces self for backlash)
Perhaps, but many seem to feel this new series is doing it BETTER. :yay:
And sure; i'd love to see something with Spider-Girl. I've been suggesting a DTDVD movie for quite some time now.
I loved the premiere, it was great!
There's lots of things I liked:
- The jokes were acually funny
- Electro was badass!
- Petes ringtone is the "Itsy Bitsy Spider"
I didn't like Harrys voice though.
Arcturus
03-08-2008, 01:45 PM
Wow, seems like I missed a great spider-man show! Hopefully they'll rerun the premiere, obviously i'll be sure to catch following episodes.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 01:46 PM
I'd argue this new series isn't doing anything we haven't seen already. to be honest I'd like to explore the spider-girl stories... (braces self for backlash)
* Walks away from thread*
Did anyone else think Electro's containment suit looks like the Scorpion?
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 01:53 PM
Did anyone else think Electro's containment suit looks like the Scorpion?
LOL not really. I'm glad the suit actually served a purpose rather then lookin completely cheesy and be a complete WTF? moment.
Silver Spider
03-08-2008, 01:54 PM
I think its better than the 90's cartoon (go back and try watching the 90's cartoon, its really not as good as you remember it)
But I don't really care much for the art style. Oh well, I can look past it.
I like how they've updated a lot of the characters (Liz, Gwen and Eddie Brock in particular)
I thought it was cool that they made Eddie a good guy here and I liked that they hinted at a bit of jealousy from Gwen when Pete was charming Liz.
I hope to see some Pete-Gwen-MJ showdowns later on and Eddie Brock becoming Venom should have a bigger impact on Spidey given the relationship they've shown them to have here.
So in the end, I don't dig the art style, do dig most of the animation, and absolutely love the setting and storytelling they've done.
I'm hopeful for what the future will bring with this.:woot:
Agreed. Although I'm okay with the art style in the show. I also agree that the 90s show is overrated. I mean I love it, it was the Spidey I grew up with, but when I look back on it, it was not that great.
Venom 1988
03-08-2008, 01:55 PM
To be honest, I gotta say I loved both episodes. I like the changes they are giving to Eddie Brock. We all know that at some point hes gonna be Venom and hate Peter so it will be interesting to see Brock going down that road. Loved Vulture and Electro. I was a little bit worried when I first saw Electro's suit in the promos but it definitly works. Plus Crispin Freeman being his VA is great, he always does an amazing job.
Giving it a 9
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 01:57 PM
It's good to know so many people are loving this show such as me, Venom 1988, Green Goblin 1964, The Joker_1000, etc. :up:
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 01:58 PM
To be honest, I gotta say I loved both episodes. I like the changes they are giving to Eddie Brock. We all know that at some point hes gonna be Venom and hate Peter so it will be interesting to see Brock going down that road. Loved Vulture and Electro. I was a little bit worried when I first saw his suit in the promos but it definitly works. Plus Crispin Freeman being his VA is great, he always does a great job.
Giving it a 9
Glad you liked it dude! I remember before the show premiered you were a little uncertain about how it would turn out but I'm happy you enjoyed it. Love the writing in this show.:applaud
SpideyVille007
03-08-2008, 02:00 PM
I'll admit it ... I LOL'd a lot
Venom 1988
03-08-2008, 02:07 PM
Glad you liked it dude! I remember before the show premiered you were a little uncertain about how it would turn out but I'm happy you enjoyed it. Love the writing in this show.:applaud
Yea I'm looking forward to next weeks episode :up:
da3dl3us
03-08-2008, 02:20 PM
Man, my DVR recorded the first episode but not the second. :cmad:
When will it rerun? Or show up on the website? Or other less honored means?
spida-man
03-08-2008, 02:22 PM
This show is kinda awful. Not TERRIBLE, but not good either. Probably won't continue doing this every Saturday. It's like they took my favorite stuff and crapped on it.
And no one tell me "IT'S FOR KIDS!" because there was NOTHING wrong with the 90's show.
:down
nothing wrong with this show either
DCnightwing23
03-08-2008, 02:23 PM
Electro was awesome, great revamp! but idk this such seems too little kiddish. Eddie Brock a nerd? that doesnt fit.
And whats with spidey making all these lame jokes durin battle?
I really hope they dont kill venom with some lame revamp.
And wheres Mary Jane? hahaha we need her!!
spida-man
03-08-2008, 02:28 PM
I can't sit idly by while spidey tas gets sucker punched.
I think this new spidey is ok, not what I expected but it could improve so I won't argue against it too much. and the fact that I'll just get no where with it here...
tas on the other hand is similar to batman tas and of course x-men tas in that it gets more right than it got wrong. Will there ever be a better spidey voice than barnes? I doubt it though everyone is trying to copy his style. To me he is the Kevin Conroy of spiderman.
But even besides that, the episodes that were great were great, beautifully animated and the acting was excellent. Mark skywalker hamill was brilliant, the guy who played JJJ ed asner, loved him... then there was the venom arc which raimi tried to do in spidey 3 but just couldn't. so much more stuff that was just spot on besides some fumbles...
give tas some credit folks. It was a hell of a good interpretation for what it was allowed to be at the time.
i would say give credit to the 90's animated series and SM# yea SM# could have been better but it still rocked. beter than the first two. the only thing i think would make SM3 better is f they made it exactly like the novel.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Electro was awesome, great revamp! but idk this such seems too little kiddish. Eddie Brock a nerd? that doesnt fit.
And whats with spidey making all these lame jokes durin battle?
I really hope they dont kill venom with some lame revamp.
And wheres Mary Jane? hahaha we need her!!
IDK I thought a few of the jokes were actually funny. And I think we can expect a "U just hit the jackpot " scene so be patient.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:31 PM
i would say give credit to the 90's animated series and SM# yea SM# could have been better but it still rocked. beter than the first two. the only thing i think would make SM3 better is f they made it exactly like the novel.
They kind of did but Sony wanted a certain time length to the movie and the editor decided to squish it all together and take out key scenes. I still enjoyed it but it could've been better
I'm definitely enjoying this show, but I have to take offense to the people that are attacking the Spider-Man: TAS. From what I understand they had to tone that show down a lot due to Fox's censors. For examples they had to use ray guns instead of actual handguns with bullets (though they allowed them on Batman: TAS) and they couldn't even say blood they had to say plasma. Yes they took liberties with characters (what series doesn't?) but for the most part I felt they kept the spirit of the characters. Now I will admit that even at that time the way they reused material did annoy me, but not enough to keep me from enjoying the show.
Anyway, back on topic. So far Spectacular Spider-Man is definitely on the right track, but there are a few minor things that have me worried. First is Eddie Brock the way he's being portrayed now he'd be an even better hero than Peter, they definitely have to introduce more to his character to make his transition to Venom more believable. Second, Harry Osborn is a total wuss (especially his voice) and doesn't really inspire images of a Green Goblin in the making. Lastly, the lack of any sign of MJ seems to be a post-OMD influence and is giving me a feeling that when/if she shows up Marvel isn't going to allow things to go but so far between them lest memories be rekindled, but that's more of a personal opinion than an actual criticism.
Arcturus
03-08-2008, 02:36 PM
I don't understand why everyone is hacking on the Spider-Man TAS of the 90's. I'm not saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, yes it does have it's flaws but it's not as terrible as a lot of people claim it to be.
I can't comment on the Spectacular Spider-Man, but from what I've read on the forums, so far it seems to be a hit. And I can't wait to check it out!
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:36 PM
I'm definitely enjoying this show, but I have to take offense to the people that are attacking the Spider-Man: TAS. From what I understand they had to tone that show down a lot due to Fox's censors. For examples they had to use ray guns instead of actual handguns with bullets (though they allowed them on Batman: TAS) and they couldn't even say blood they had to say plasma. Yes they took liberties with characters (what series doesn't?) but for the most part I felt they kept the spirit of the characters. Now I will admit that even at that time the way they reused material did annoy me, but not enough to keep me from enjoying the show.
Anyway, back on topic. So far Spectacular Spider-Man is definitely on the right track, but there are a few minor things that have me worried. First is Eddie Brock the way he's being portrayed now he'd be an even better hero than Peter, they definitely have to introduce more to his character to make his transition to Venom more believable. Second, Harry Osborn is a total wuss (especially his voice) and doesn't really inspire images of a Green Goblin in the making. Lastly, the lack of any sign of MJ seems to be a post-OMD influence and is giving me a feeling that when/if she shows up Marvel isn't going to allow things to go but so far between them lest memories be rekindled, but that's more of a personal opinion than an actual criticism.Are you smoking pot? That's just stupid sorry. Here's the concept design for MJ and they talked about her being in the show many times. She probably didn't show up because they're planning for a "You just hit the jackpot"scene.
spida-man
03-08-2008, 02:38 PM
Lots.
-The music sounded like some bad product commercial for spy gear for kids
-Electro's whole..."origin". Happy electrician, in some electric eel room, drops a power drill, shocks himself and gets shocked around electric eels. Making "EELECTRO!"
-Why is Liz Hispanic? Was it Liz? Really? I'm not racist or anything, I just don't appreciate unneeded changes on characters I grew up with. She even talks like she's brand new to this country. Sorry, that just bothers me.
-Vulture was just...yeah. Weird. I hardly get what he was even doing. Maybe I was still too tired. But I didn't like his costume at all.
-Harry looks like a bigger dork than Peter does. What?
-Curt has a robotic arm? I felt more sorry for him with NO arm. That's just a nitpick though, understood.
-Electro "GRR I'M MAD! I CAN'T DRINK COFFEE ANYMORE! I HAVE ELECTRIC THINGS ON MY BODY THAT LOOK LIKE BREASTS! I HAVE A IRON MAN-GAS MASK TYPE THING ON MY HEAD AND LOOK NOTHING LIKE ELECTRO!"
-Eddie is just too nice. He looks like a Flash Thomson to me. Not impressed with his Venom look on the figure either.
-Does that one Enforcer have a mustache or am I seeing things? He looks like a beefed up Mario.
-Too kiddy. Belongs on WB for sure.
-Reminds me of "THE BATMAN", another bad WB show. I loved the 90's toon.
-The character designs are horrid. Spidey looks okay, but the others look bad to me.
-Peter looks like a child. Ben 10 anyone?
Now, there were SOME good things. Some of the action was okay, and I'm okay with Spider-Man's voice. And there were a couple funny things here and there. But other than that, I'm really disappointed. Though, it's not like I had my hopes high for this show anyway.
I guess u were still half asleep
RaZaTrOn
03-08-2008, 02:44 PM
Anywhere i can watch this online?
KurtMysterio
03-08-2008, 02:45 PM
Did anyone notice that some of the swing animations from the beginning of the second episode were ripped right from Spidey 2? I thought that was a neat touch.
Overall I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to Venom's debut.
Mister J
03-08-2008, 02:45 PM
This wasn't bad; a bit above average.
I'm particularly liking the added dynamic of characters like Liz and Gwen. The trademark wit was good (and something I really hoped was present) and the show itself didn't feel 'too kiddy', though the difference in tone is certainly noticeable. Didn't really care for the opening theme or the 'spider-crawl' screen changes. I'm a big fan of the 90's show and while I'm not of the mind that this will surpass it, these first two episodes have done enough to get me to likely tune in for the duration.
Did anyone else think Electro's containment suit looks like the Scorpion?
The same thought ran across my mind when he was still in the hospital bed. Not a carbon copy, but certainly enough to bring a recollection to mind.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:46 PM
Did anyone notice that some of the swing animations from the beginning of the second episode were ripped right from Spidey 2? I thought that was a neat touch.
Overall I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to Venom's debut.You have a long way to wait bud, Venom's at the end of the season.
Arcturus
03-08-2008, 02:48 PM
You have a long way to wait bud, Venom's at the end of the season.
I'm actually fine with this. I want to see Eddie Brock get developed, I want to see this burning grudge and when he finally becomes Venom, it will make it more deep and meaningful when he goes completely bat****.
BubbaGump
03-08-2008, 02:50 PM
Coming from a casual Spider-fan point of view, the premier(s) was extremely enjoyable. Gorgeous animation, love the character designs, beautiful fight scenes. :up:
Some corny one-liners here and there, but not as bad or out of place as The Batman. Definitely a 9 for me.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:51 PM
Coming from a casual Spider-fan point of view, the premier(s) was extremely enjoyable. Gorgeous animation, love the character designs, beautiful fight scenes. :up:
Some corny one-liners here and there, but not as bad or out of place as The Batman. Definitely a 9 for me.LOL you voted a 1. Glad you liked it Bubba! :up:
BubbaGump
03-08-2008, 02:52 PM
LOL you voted a 1. Glad you liked it Bubba! :up:
I always **** the polls. :up:
Are you smoking pot? That's just stupid sorry. Here's the concept design for MJ and they talked about her being in the show many times. She probably didn't show up because they're planning for a "You just hit the jackpot"scene.
No, I'm not smoking pot however with the number of characters they introduced in these first 2 episodes (Norman/Harry Osborne, Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen, Flash Thompson, JJJ, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant, etc.) I figured MJ should've at least got an honorable mention. I was only saying that it's giving me an out of sight, out of mind feeling that's similar to the comics post-OMD. As I said, it's a feeling I'm getting not an actual criticism.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 02:56 PM
No, I'm not smoking pot however with the number of characters they introduced in these first 2 episodes (Norman/Harry Osborne, Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen, Flash Thompson, JJJ, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant, etc.) I figured MJ should've at least got an honorable mention. I was only saying that it's giving me an out of sight, out of mind feeling that's similar to the comics post-OMD. As I said, it's a feeling I'm getting not an actual criticism.
http://i.enewsi.com/g/albums/Entertaiment/Spectacular_Spider-Man/6_MaryJane_Comicon.jpg
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 02:57 PM
One More Day has no bearing on this show whatsoever. For that matter, neither does Joe Quesada. Quesada runs the comic portion of Marvel, not the television portion.
Mary Jane will be in the series, but you're going to have to wait a few more episodes.
BubbaGump
03-08-2008, 03:02 PM
I also liked the little moments foreshadowing The Lizard. Might as well start now, right?
Venom 1988
03-08-2008, 03:03 PM
I also liked the little moments foreshadowing The Lizard. Might as well start now, right?
Yup especially since Lizard is gonna be in the next episode
http://www.kidswb.com/
Good grief, what part of "feeling" do you guys not understand? I like this show (voted 9/10) it's just a feeling I got from watching it. Do I believe that Mary Jane will show up? It's a foregone conclusion she will, the when/if comment was just in case they veered away from the original plan not a real statement that I thought she wouldn't actually be in the show. Geez, lighten up.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 03:20 PM
Good grief, what part of "feeling" do you guys not understand? I like this show (voted 9/10) it's just a feeling I got from watching it. Do I believe that Mary Jane will show up? It's a foregone conclusion she will, the when/if comment was just in case they veered away from the original plan not a real statement that I thought she wouldn't actually be in the show. Geez, lighten up.http://www.mouseandthebillionaire.com/images/catGun.jpg
:oldrazz:
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 03:32 PM
I also liked the little moments foreshadowing The Lizard. Might as well start now, right? yeah, and I think we can expect alot of those types of things to happen over time in this show. Hints at things and stuff like that.
The Chibi Kiriyama
03-08-2008, 04:03 PM
I'd give it an 8. It combined the good parts of the Spidey mythos and left out the bad, making some good changes along the way.
I was okay with the Vulture, but I really liked Electro; whereas the Sandman and the Vulture's shticks are boring enough that they can avoid extra screentime for characterization, Electro's powers are cool enough that he deserves a good background. I'm glad he got that. I also like how the villains feel like an organic part of the story, and that the series has made what's essentially an origin story without starting moments before the spider bit him. The big eyes are going to get folks who can't stand anime, but for those of us who like other animation styles and can see this is meant for kids it's gonna be awesome. On a last note, the supporting cast was very well written. No one was annoying who wasn't supposed to be, and I felt for their various plights.
Overall, I think this series has the potential to be better than the last two Spider-Man films. That says a lot about the quality in these first two episodes.
Spidey220987
03-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Didn't see it as I'm from the UK :csad:
Anyway,I just came across this video on YouTube, it has some of the villain designs (if they haven't already been seen)
I like the look of The Lizard myself :yay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WC5Z5MEAqQ
stillanerd
03-08-2008, 04:38 PM
I gotta say, I was pretty darn impressed with these two episodes. There's no question that this new series is going to do extremely well if we continue to get episodes like the ones shown in the premiere.
Things that I liked included:
*How they nailed the characterization of Peter Parker to a tee. The right mix of being the "lovable nerd" without being the overly shy doey-eyed version from the movies nor the angry or sullen one from the Ultimate comics. Plus the wisecracks were actually amusing.
*Really impressed how much was established and set-up in the first episode alone. Not only do we get the idea that Spidey's been active for four months and get glimpses of his origin to boot, but we've also prepared the way for Sandman, Kingpin, The Green Goblin, Doc Ock, The Lizard, AND Venom--not to mention Jameson and the Bugle.
*Gwen and Harry also struck the right note with me as well. Sure, Gwen seemed more like Debra Whitman, but it was appropriate I thought, and we already see that she's got a bit of a crush on him. And Harry was actually how he was in the early Stan Lee comics and not the "ultra-smooth, cool guy" that Ultimate, the movies, and Brand New Day make him out to be. The other supporting characters like Aunt May and Jameson also came off very well, too.
*Electro was actually a credible threat (GASP!) and actually had a decent origin and a logical rationale for becoming a villain. Plus I really liked his appearance and thought it was interesting how he was tied to Doc Connors and his upcoming transformation into the Lizard.
*Peter's cellphone and Aunt May calling him to remind him of his curfew. Although I hope the "Interactions" episode will be the only time.
*The fight sequence between the Enforcers and battling Electro on the radio tower were, I thought, were the best action set-pieces.
What I didn't care for:
*The theme song. Although oddly enough it's one of those songs that sticks in your head for a long time and becomes surprisingly catchy if you hum it--don't you hate it when that happens?
*I don't necessarily mind Liz Allen being revamped into a Latina, but it did throw me quite a bit.
*The Vulture's costume, I'm sorry, looked horrid. Plus they gave him the disgruntled employee motivation. Although, I liked the exchange between him and Osborn. TOOMES: "I've now become the very thing you called me. A VULTURE! OSBORN: "I called you a buzzard. Gezz, you can't even get the insult right."
*And what's with Dr. Connor's bionic arm? Are the creators THAT afraid to show an amputated stump?
*Mary Jane's absence. Still, it's obvious that they are setting up Mary Jane's future appearance to echo how she was introduced in the comics with the whole "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the Jackpot" scene, so I guess it's not too bad.
All in all, a very promising start to the series.
Sawyer
03-08-2008, 04:45 PM
They need to get rid of the girl playing Liz. Her voice is awful. She sounds like Miss Swan from MadTV.
Overall, I enjoyed the show.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Stillanerd, they decided to give Curt the prosthetic because it is supposed to be a modern world. It would be silly if they didn't. Also they aren't scared to show the arm if you watch next week's episode preview you can see the serum draining into the bottom of that arm. The reason why he wants the arm back...well let's see next week why.
Dark_Lord
03-08-2008, 05:43 PM
I also posted this in the other thread:
I just saw the episodes.
I didn't like the big eyes on some of the characters, especially on Parker and I also didn't like Liz and Harry's voice.
Other than that, which actually didn't really bother me, I loved it! It's awesome. I also loved the scene, in the second episode, where Spider-Man landed on the train and the one after that, where he jumped over the building....exactly like Spider-Man 2. I thought that was cool.
I can't wait for next week's episode!
I give it a 10!
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 05:47 PM
Stillanerd, they decided to give Curt the prosthetic because it is supposed to be a modern world. It would be silly if they didn't. Also they aren't scared to show the arm if you watch next week's episode preview you can see the serum draining into the bottom of that arm. The reason why he wants the arm back...well let's see next week why. Yeah, maybe he just wants to be normal again and feel like a full human, so he decides to try and grow an arm back. I'm getting so excited just thinking of the possibilities. :up:
Cmill216
03-08-2008, 06:47 PM
I loved it. The facial designs will take some getting used to, but the action animation was amazingly fluid. That Electro fight was wicked. :up:
Voices are solid enough (though I'm not a fan of uber nerdy Harry). Loved the theme song, and the general vibe of the series is soooo spot on.
Count me hooked.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:24 PM
Loved the facial expressions when JJJ was talking.
Matt Murdock
03-08-2008, 07:26 PM
I gave it a 4.
I wasn't too impressed. :csad:
The best part for me was that "The Big Man" was voiced by the same guy who voices the Arbiter in the "Halo" franchise.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:29 PM
I gave it a 4.
I wasn't too impressed. :csad:
The best part for me was that "The Big Man" was voiced by the same guy who voices the Arbiter in the "Halo" franchise.HUH?
Matt Murdock
03-08-2008, 07:31 PM
Which part of the post confused you?
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:34 PM
Which part of the post confused you?Just wondering why you didn't like it...:cwink:
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 07:34 PM
I can see how the animation style might take some getting used to for some people. I didn't care for the designs when I first saw them either and I tend to like simplified styling. But they have grown on me and I'm sure they will on you guys too. Let's get down to some characters now...
Peter/sPidey- Looks a bit young, sure, but so does everybody else on the show. It's interesting that they gave him a little "beauty mark" under his right eye because up until now I've called nondescript white male brunettes "Peter Parkers" and now he acually has a distinguishing characteristic. sPider-Man's simplified design gets no complaints for me if it makes him easier to animate. I'll overlook the expressive eyes.
Gwen- Why'd they have to make her so ugly? I mean, honestly, glasses and sweatpants? Ugh! ;) Seriously Pete, tap that before she gets thrown off a bridge.
Harry- Richie Rich is a bigger dork than Peter Parker. Kind of a downgrade. He better have some good character development down the line.
Eddie Brock- Ok, I'm liking this route. It harkens back to Ultimate Venom and makes their inevitable falling out so much more deliciously tragic.
Aunt May- I'd hit that. DAMMIT, GALLOWAY! Learn how to draw old peole! :mad:
Curt- I don't care for the robot arm. Like someone said before, having one arm made him more sympathetic. Plus this ventures into the overly futuristic terrain I hated so much about the 90s toon. But it's cool. His character has a likeable "absent minded professor" vibe to it. I just wish he sounded a little smarter sometime.
Norman Osbourne- A redheaded Chinaman? Affirmative action at Kids WB, now you're just getting silly! v_v; Overlooking that, he's a royal, unapologetic douchebag. Even when Vulture's flying his ass around NYC with dagger-feet, he still refuses to apologize and belittles him.
Vulture: I'm what you called me! A Vulture!
Norman: I called you a buzzard!
Vulture: What!?
Norman: I called you a buzzard and you can't even get THAT right!
Bravo.
Liz Allen- I don't mind that they went down the hisPanic route. But the whiney accent's a bit much. With a last name like Allen, you'd assume her dad's probably white and she grew up in this country. Because you're an awful racist. ;) And while we're on that issue...
Enforcers/Hammerhead/probably black Kingpin- Now unlike Ultimate Enforcers where Ox was a giant black dude, sPectacular Fancy Dan (pimp name?) is a petite sized black dude. sPectacular Ox is pretty badass cosidering he jumps off a building after sPidey but that silly mustache is a liability. Montana...flies a helicoper. Hopefully, he weilds a lasso or whip later on. Hammerhead's a henchman (for now) with a pretty "meh" design. And Kingpin, who for now is just an ominous presence appears to be voiced Kieth David who only played a white guy when Goliath turned human those couple of times on Gargoyles. I guess Michael Clark Duncan had better things to do.
Matt Murdock
03-08-2008, 07:35 PM
I'm not really a fan of the style, to start with. I didn't even watch the second episode. I watched the first and erased them both.
Visionary
03-08-2008, 07:36 PM
Hmm...according to the poll thus far, it looks like most people will be tuning in for episode 3...who knew?
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:39 PM
I can see how the animation style might take some getting used to for some people. I didn't care for the designs when I first saw them either and I tend to like simplified styling. But they have grown on me and I'm sure they will on you guys too. Let's get down to some characters now...
Peter/sPidey- Looks a bit young, sure, but so does everybody else on the show. It's interesting that they gave him a little "beauty mark" under his right eye because up until now I've called nondescript white male brunettes "Peter Parkers" and now he acually has a distinguishing characteristic. sPider-Man's simplified design gets no complaints for me if it makes him easier to animate. I'll overlook the expressive eyes.
Gwen- Why'd they have to make her so ugly? I mean, honestly, glasses and sweatpants? Ugh! ;) Seriously Pete, tap that before she gets thrown off a bridge.
Harry- Richie Rich is a bigger dork than Peter Parker. Kind of a downgrade. He better have some good character development down the line.
Eddie Brock- Ok, I'm liking this route. It harkens back to Ultimate Venom and makes their inevitable falling out so much more deliciously tragic.
Aunt May- I'd hit that. DAMMIT, GALLOWAY! Learn how to draw old peole! :mad:
Curt- I don't care for the robot arm. Like someone said before, having one arm made him more sympathetic. Plus this ventures into the overly futuristic terrain I hated so much about the 90s toon. But it's cool. His character has a likeable "absent minded professor" vibe to it. I just wish he sounded a little smarter sometime.
Norman Osbourne- A redheaded Chinaman? Affirmative action at Kids WB, now you're just getting silly! v_v; Overlooking that, he's a royal, unapologetic douchebag. Even when Vulture's flying his ass around NYC with dagger-feet, he still refuses to apologize and belittles him.
Vulture: I'm what you called me! A Vulture!
Norman: I called you a buzzard!
Vulture: What!?
Norman: I called you a buzzard and you can't even get THAT right!
Bravo.
Liz Allen- I don't mind that they went down the hisPanic route. But the whiney accent's a bit much. With a last name like Allen, you'd assume her dad's probably white and she grew up in this country. Because you're an awful racist. ;) And while we're on that issue...
Enforcers/Hammerhead/probably black Kingpin- Now unlike Ultimate Enforcers where Ox was a giant black dude, sPectacular Fancy Dan (pimp name?) is a petite sized black dude. sPectacular Ox is pretty badass cosidering he jumps off a building after sPidey but that silly mustache is a liability. Montana...flies a helicoper. Hopefully, he weilds a lasso or whip later on. Hammerhead's a henchman (for now) with a pretty "meh" design. And Kingpin, who for now is just an ominous presence appears to be voiced Kieth David who only played a white guy when Goliath turned human those couple of times on Gargoyles. I guess Michael Clark Duncan had better things to do.Kingpin's not in the series dude...
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:42 PM
5 People thought it was alright-letdown and...
About 40 people enjoyed it and thought it was good-spectacular
Good reviews.
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 07:44 PM
5 People thought it was alright-letdown and...
About 40 people enjoyed it and thought it was good-spectacular
Good reviews. Yeah, I mean there are going to be people who don't like it, but overall, there has been great responses. :up:
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 07:45 PM
Norman Osbourne- A redheaded Chinaman? Affirmative action at Kids WB, now you're just getting silly! v_v; Overlooking that, he's a royal, unapologetic douchebag. Even when Vulture's flying his ass around NYC with dagger-feet, he still refuses to apologize and belittles him.
Norman is not a "Chinaman". He is definitely Caucasian.
stillanerd
03-08-2008, 07:46 PM
Stillanerd, they decided to give Curt the prosthetic because it is supposed to be a modern world. It would be silly if they didn't. Also they aren't scared to show the arm if you watch next week's episode preview you can see the serum draining into the bottom of that arm. The reason why he wants the arm back...well let's see next week why.
Don't get me wrong, GG, I understood what they were shooting for with Dr. Connors having a prosthetic arm. Considering the advancements made in prosthetics it logically does make sense. Even so, I thought it looked too much like a robotic arm (then again, he is a scientist) which to me kind of defeated the idea of him wanting to regenerate his lost limb (plus, I was being a little sarcastic about them being afraid to show his stump, and I was out of the room when they were during the preview for next week). And you did notice that I liked a lot what we've seen so far, right?:cwink:
As for motivation, I think Spider-ManHero is right and that they'll be going for the idea that Connors is using the regeneration formula on himself he wants to be "normal." My guess is that while his wife tries to warn him of the risks, Connors tells her how tired he is of how people stare at him, think of him as a freak, or worse, pity him because he's handicapped. It also would provide an "it's okay to be different" theme and tie into Peter in how he can sympathize in that he too is considered a "freak" by his peers as well.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 07:52 PM
Don't get me wrong, GG, I understood what they were shooting for with Dr. Connors having a prosthetic arm. Considering the advancements made in prosthetics it logically does make sense. Even so, I thought it looked too much like a robotic arm (then again, he is a scientist) which to me kind of defeated the idea of him wanting to regenerate his lost limb (plus, I was being a little sarcastic about them being afraid to show his stump, and I was out of the room when they were during the preview for next week). And you did notice that I liked a lot what we've seen so far, right?:cwink:
As for motivation, I think Spider-ManHero is right and that they'll be going for the idea that Connors is using the regeneration formula on himself he wants to be "normal." My guess is that while his wife tries to warn him of the risks, Connors tells her how tired he is of how people stare at him, think of him as a freak, or worse, pity him because he's handicapped. It also would provide an "it's okay to be different" theme and tie into Peter in how he can sympathize in that he too is considered a "freak" by his peers as well.
I know dude, just tellin you what I think.:cwink: The Lizard's episode looks darker then the 2 episodes today so looks like something good is in store for us.
Someone please put it on youtube so mad.:csad:
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 07:57 PM
I know dude, just tellin you what I think.:cwink: The Lizard's episode looks darker then the 2 episodes today so looks like something good is in store for us. Agreed, I really think the darker tone is going to be so interesting. :up:
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Vulture- Crotchety old guy in a flying suit. Not too many complaints on the suit other than the strangely sharp/blunt dagger toes. Some joints might have been nice. I guess the face was too cartoony. A long nose is to be expected, the eyes looked like they had some kind of square shaped pupils but the fangs? Really? Messed up old guy teeth'd be more like it. Whatever, in a pretty crowded first episode, me made a good antagonist.
Electro- Oh. My. God. This was probably the best single-episode buildup from a decent guy to a supervillain in recent memory. The bioelectricity/sludge/filter-holding combo made his "accidental" origins just plausible enough. Then he finds out he's sort of trapped in this state ruining his plans to "go back to college, meet somebody, do something with my life" (Translation: "How am I ever gonna get laid again like this!?") Max goes off to try and regain some semblance of a normal life and after a series of misunderstandings, sPidey pops into his life and acts like a total dick! It creates sypathy for the guy while showing how imperfect the hero is. Pretty ballsy! Afterwards, he's threatened by a cop and, in a reasonably pissy mood, he goes after the man resPonsible for his condition demanding a cure.
I didn't care for the design when I first saw it. (Some of you might remember my my infamous "crotch tube" redesign) But dammit, it grows on you.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Norman is not a "Chinaman". He is definitely Caucasian.
Yeah, that was a joke based on his overly squinty look.
Kingpin's not in the series dude...
Oh? Then who was on the other end of the line? Silvermane?
stillanerd
03-08-2008, 08:20 PM
Electro- Oh. My. God. This was probably the best single-episode buildup from a decent guy to a supervillain in recent memory. The bioelectricity/sludge/filter-holding combo made his "accidental" origins just plausible enough. Then he finds out he's sort of trapped in this state ruining his plans to "go back to college, meet somebody, do something with my life" (Translation: "How am I ever gonna get laid again like this!?") Max goes off to try and regain some semblance of a normal life and after a series of misunderstandings, sPidey pops into his life and acts like a total dick! It creates sypathy for the guy while showing how imperfect the hero is. Pretty ballsy! Afterwards, he's threatened by a cop and, in a reasonably pissy mood, he goes after the man resPonsible for his condition demanding a cure.
I didn't care for the design when I first saw it. (Some of you might remember my my infamous "crotch tube" redesign) But dammit, it grows on you.
Agreed. I believe, if I may be so bold, that this Spider-Man series has so far revamped Electro on the same level that Batman: The Animated Series did for Mr. Freeze--taking a B-list villain with weak motives and giving him A-list treatment and characterization.
Sarcastic Fan
03-08-2008, 08:29 PM
Yeah, that was a joke based on his overly squinty look.
Oh? Then who was on the other end of the line? Silvermane?
No, it was the Big Man. He was around in the classic Lee/Ditko days. Frederick Foswell.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 08:45 PM
No, it was the Big Man. He was around in the classic Lee/Ditko days. Frederick Foswell.
Never heard of him but OK.
Silver Spider
03-08-2008, 08:46 PM
I loved it. The facial designs will take some getting used to, but the action animation was amazingly fluid. That Electro fight was wicked. :up:
Voices are solid enough (though I'm not a fan of uber nerdy Harry). Loved the theme song, and the general vibe of the series is soooo spot on.
Count me hooked.
I couldn't have said it any better myself. Anyone think James Arnold Taylor and Josh Keaton might have been better in their Spiderman: Friend or Foe roles.
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Never heard of him but OK.
Here you go bio for big man:
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/big_man.html
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http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/file_photo/big_man.jpg
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Attributes
Height: 5'5" as Foswell, 6' plus as Big Man
Weight: Unknown
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Brown
Features: As the Big Man, Foswell wore a full-headed white mask, white gloves, and brown hat to completely cover him. He used special built-up shoes, an oversized padded jacket and a small amplifier to give the impression that he was a large, imposing figure. After his return from prison, Foswell's most distinguishing features were a pencil-thin mustache and a bow tie.
Summary
Created By: Stan Lee (http://www.spiderfan.org/credits/stan_lee.html), Steve Ditko (http://www.spiderfan.org/credits/steve_ditko.html)
Real Name: Frederick Foswell
Current Aliases: None
Former Aliases: Patch
Dual Identity: Publically known
Current Occupation: Deceased
Former Occupation: Daily Bugle Reporter
Citizenship: USA
Legal Status: Deceased
Place of Birth: New York, USA
Marital Status: Presumably married at one time (had daughter) but wife never mentioned.
Known Relatives: Janice (Daughter, deceased)
Known Confidants: J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant, Peter Parker, Mendel Stromm
Known Allies: The Enforcers
Major Enemies: Spider-Man, Kingpin
Usual Bases: None
Former Bases: New York City
Current Groups: None
Former Groups: Leader of the Enforcers
Education: College Educated
Powers & Paraphenalia
Strength Level: Normal Human
Powers: None
Abilities: The skill to organize and lead the mobs of New York
Equipment: Built-up Shoes, Padded Jacket, and Amplifier to disguise his identity.
Weapons: A Handgun and the Enforcers
Limitations: The Big Man's greatest strength was the illusion that he was an imposing crime figure. Once that was stripped away, his limitations seemed overwhelming, way too many to list here.
Background
Frederick Foswell was a short, slight, timid reporter for the Daily Bugle. Tired of playing the fool for J. Jonah Jameson (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/jjj.html), he used his reporter's skills and contacts to join with the Enforcers (Montana (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/montana.html), Ox (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/ox.html) and Fancy Dan (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/fancy_dan.html)) and unite all of the mobs of New York. He wore built-up shoes and a padded jacket to disguise his identity. Even Spider-Man never truly suspected who the Big Man really was. But it was Spider-Man's intervention that resulted in the police discovering Foswell's secret.
Foswell never became the Big Man again. Upon his return from prison, he was rehired by J. Jonah Jameson. Initially suspected by Spider-Man of being either the Green Goblin (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/greengoblin1.html) or the Crime Master (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/crime_master.html), Foswell was actually frequenting underworld hang-outs disguised as the stoolie known as Patch. (He wore a full-head mask of a man with a patch over his left eye.) In his capacity as reporter and stoolie, Foswell figured out the Crime Master's identity and tipped the police, ultimately resulting in the Crime Master's fatal shootout. He also worked with police against a cat burglar and tried to help Spider-Man discover the identity of the Master Planner. He became the Daily Bugle's best reporter. Spidey even began tipping Foswell off to his fights.
Later, Foswell achieved prominence when it was revealed that he was the cellmate of Mendel Stromm (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/professor_stromm.html) in prison and when, as Patch, he was the first one to discover that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. (Unfortunately for him, he also became the first person to fall for the fake conversation between Peter and Spidey, with a web dummy web-slinging away, thereby becoming the first person to believe that Parker and Spider-Man had a working relationship with the news photos.)
In his final appearances, when it seemed that Spider-Man had quit and the Kingpin (http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/kingpin.html) of crime was reorganizing the underworld, Foswell reverted to his old ways. He first tried to take the Kingpin's place but failed. He settled for being his first lieutenant instead. But, at the end, when the Kingpin's men were trying to kill J. Jonah Jameson, Foswell could not let any harm come to the man who had trusted him after his time in prison and given him a job. Protecting Jameson, Foswell was gunned down by the Kingpin's men... dying a hero. The Big Man made one other appearance when Janice Foswell, Frederick's daughter took over the role. She was killed by her fiance, the new Crime Master. No one has worn the garb of the Big Man since.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 08:57 PM
Agreed. I believe, if I may be so bold, that this Spider-Man series has so far revamped Electro on the same level that Batman: The Animated Series did for Mr. Freeze--taking a B-list villain with weak motives and giving him A-list treatment and characterization.
Go ahead! Be so bold! He pisses excellence all over The Batman's Freeze anyway! And plus, any illogical behavior performed by Electro could be attributed to the increased electrical impulses firing in his brain as mentioned in the interview with his voice actor.
That said, I have a qualm with most electric themed heroes/villains and that is their inherent weakness against water. If Eels, Rays, and Pikachus are any indication, they should feel more at home in water rather than "short circuited" by it. I like how they gave Electro the throwaway explanation that "Eels evolved to an aquatic environment, Max did not."
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:00 PM
Thanks Webhead! :)
Visionary
03-08-2008, 09:00 PM
Never heard of him but OK.Hehe...the cartoon is bringing out oldies that not even some Spidey fans know of. :O
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 09:08 PM
Yea yw man, i also never knew who bigman was but i have heard the name before.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:10 PM
"Hehe...the cartoon is bringing out oldies that not even some Spidey fans know of."
Kinda like The Batman did. Ragdoll, anyone?
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Hehe...the cartoon is bringing out oldies that not even some Spidey fans know of. :O Yeah, lol, I knew about him much much much before this show. It is a good thing though because it shows how many Vilains from the classic comics that are being incorporated into this show.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:12 PM
So wait, did they not get the rights to Kingpin cuz of some kind of weird studio embargo or did they just decide not to use him yet? Cuz I know the FF cartoon couldn't use Surfer & Galactus.
Blade X
03-08-2008, 09:14 PM
There was so much wrong with the 90s show, it's pathetic. Let's see...
- Hobgoblin before the Green Goblin.
- Horrendous voice acting, especially Mary Jane.
- 90% of the series being stock footage.
- No Gwen Stacy.
- No Betty Brant.
- Electro being the Red Skull's son.
- Hobgoblin's super glider designed to sell toys
- Lame dimensional portals.
- Norman Osborn being Kingpin's *****.
- Doc Ock being Kingpin's *****.
- Tombstone's Joker rip-off origin.
- Crappy CGI backgrounds.
You forgot about the choppy animation,the crappy "trying not to be too violent" fight scenes,Madam Web having Beyonder like cosmic powers, Calypso's stupid origin,Uncle Ben being good friends with the Destroyer, those classic WW2 heroes origins and powers being tied into Captain America's origin,Black Cat's father being a teenager during WW2,and Captain America being lost in a pocket dimension.
Webhead2006
03-08-2008, 09:15 PM
i believe it is the legal bull since the show is made by sony and currently fox holds the rights to kingpin-daredevil/xmen/ff characters.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:25 PM
Ah! So I thought.
Donald Thomas
03-08-2008, 09:38 PM
No, it was the Big Man. He was around in the classic Lee/Ditko days. Frederick Foswell.
Aloha,
You get the No Prize for knowing that bit of Spidey history. JJJ mentions Foswell when he goes into his rant so at some point we may see him.The Enforcers were intorduced in Amazing Spider-Man v.1 #10 along with The Big Man(Foswell). The Vulture in Amazing Spider-Man v.1 #2. Dr. Connors who later becomes the Lizard in #6 and of course Dr. Octavius (Doc Ock) in #3.We are going waaaay back.Forgive me if someone mentioned this already, but isn't Peter's ringtone The itsy bitsy Spider?
Spidey rules
Silver Spider
03-08-2008, 09:47 PM
Gwen- Why'd they have to make her so ugly? I mean, honestly, glasses and sweatpants? Ugh! ;) Seriously Pete, tap that before she gets thrown off a bridge.
Why does everyone think Gwen is ugly? I don't see what's wrong with her look.
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 09:48 PM
but isn't Peter's ringtone The itsy bitsy Spider?
Spidey rules I'm not sure, but I'll have to check later.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:49 PM
OMG! I totally forgot to review JJJ! They totally nailed him! He's every bit as good in that minute on screen as Simmons was in the movies. Plus, the microbeard compliments the Hitler 'stache. It makes his facial hair look like an exclamation point!
One of my biggest complaints about the MTV toon was how he was so...regular sounding and there was never anything going on in his office.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 09:50 PM
They'll probably make Gwen HOT! when Peter goes out with another girl and she gets all jealous and tries to win his heart.
Green Goblin 1964
03-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Anyone notice Betty give Peter a "Ooo la la" look when he was leaving the office.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:54 PM
"I'm not sure, but I'll have to check later."
It was. Caption said so.
"Why does everyone think Gwen is ugly? I don't see what's wrong with her look."
*sigh* Why does everybody take my little jokes so seriously? Really, man, if my weak argument, the " ;) " and follow-up sentence with the words "tap that" didn't tip you off that my calling her ugly was sarcasm then maybe this overly detailed explanation will.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 09:58 PM
"Anyone notice Betty give Peter a "Ooo la la" look when he was leaving the office."
It was subtle but yeah. :) I wonder how old Betty is? JJJ obviously doesn't think much of teenagers.
God, this show has a bigger ensemble cast than friggin X-Men Evolution did!
Spider-ManHero12
03-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Anyone notice Betty give Peter a "Ooo la la" look when he was leaving the office. Yeah, I noticed that. It's another nod to the comics because in the comics, Peter and Betty dated, but it wasn't something huge. That huge love was used on someone else who's life was taken from her, you guys know who I'm talking about. :up:
Sawyer
03-08-2008, 10:08 PM
Why does everyone think Gwen is ugly? I don't see what's wrong with her look.
Bet it was sarcasm.
It's kinda like on that crappy "She's All That" movie where the "unattractive nerd" is actually a hot chick who happens to have glasses and wear overalls.
Ratcrawler
03-08-2008, 10:11 PM
LOL Exactly! It was that "Ugh! She has glasses! And a ponytail! And are those paint stains on her overalls!? Oh God, have some self resPect!"
MaskedManJRK
03-08-2008, 10:43 PM
I dug it. Will definately continue watching. :up:
Silver Spider
03-08-2008, 11:10 PM
"I'm not sure, but I'll have to check later."
It was. Caption said so.
"Why does everyone think Gwen is ugly? I don't see what's wrong with her look."
*sigh* Why does everybody take my little jokes so seriously? Really, man, if my weak argument, the " ;) " and follow-up sentence with the words "tap that" didn't tip you off that my calling her ugly was sarcasm then maybe this overly detailed explanation will.
I knew that you weren't completely serious, but there are other people who are, and it's been annoying. I just posted my thoughts on this board, because it just happened to mention it.
Web-Head
03-09-2008, 01:11 AM
I loved when Peter's confrontation with Sally Avril, pretty much sums up the Parker Luck!:woot:
The battle with Fancy Dan and Ox is easily the best fight scene in any Spidey cartoon, just so fast paced and choreographed perfectly. The final battle with Electro was very exciting. I think now that it is best to not do direct adaptations of the comics because you would know what would happen, this is much better. And judging by what Victor Cook is saying we'll be getting alot more awesome fight sequences.:up:
Webhead2006
03-09-2008, 01:45 AM
Yea i dont think gwen is ugly she is normal/smart looking but everyone has opinion on things. Also i do think they might have them date a little while later, she did seem a little jeasouly at liz during the lab scene. As for betty she did look pretty young looking but hard to tell with the animation since it is less detail and smooth and older people like may, ben in pic and toomes dont have winkles. But i am guessing early to mid 20s for betty.
Spec Spider-Man
03-09-2008, 04:15 AM
I liked it, I gave it a solid 8.
Spidey-Sean
03-09-2008, 05:15 AM
I'd give it an 8.5 if possible. Exceeded my expectations for "kid's" animated t.v. show on a frequent basis, especially when a surprisingly fluid fight scene broke out or huge set pieces were used (i.e.; Electro fight from radio tower to swimming pool). Not to mention cool little touches like electro setting off car alarms as he walks down the street, or even the background music which was pretty good. Although my perceptions were a little marred from youtube format, I'm definitely going to catch it on the real tube next week.
I thought Josh Keaton's voicework was great! His lines and delivery actually made me laugh a few times; Spidey sounds cool and witty, I love it. Great casting choice, really holds the show together and makes you care about the character.
Also, I'm really digging the 60's spider-face fading in on the sky at the end of each episode.:up:
SLYspyder
03-09-2008, 05:31 AM
The show was great. It felt like the 60's comic come to life, and I know it's only going to get better. The action was great and the drama was great. Spider-Man's quickness (outside of the enforcers fight), jumping, agility and web slinging is something to behold when watching this.
I loved when Peter's confrontation with Sally Avril, pretty much sums up the Parker Luck!:woot:
The battle with Fancy Dan and Ox is easily the best fight scene in any Spidey cartoon, just so fast paced and choreographed perfectly. The final battle with Electro was very exciting. I think now that it is best to not do direct adaptations of the comics because you would know what would happen, this is much better. And judging by what Victor Cook is saying we'll be getting alot more awesome fight sequences.:up:
Were we watching the same fight scene? My excitement dropped the second I saw Ox man handling Spider-Man. Wait, since when can a regular human being almost squeeze the life out of someone whose almost 100 times stronger? This feels like the 90's series all over again in the power department. And don't give me that he's 16 and inexperienced crap. Even with that factored in, their strength shouldn't even be ANYWHERE close. And if that wasn't bad enough, they had OX tear the web like it was paper. Again, a regular human being treating 6X the strength of steel like that?
Then after that, they had fancy Dan going toe to toe with Spider-Man in a fist fight? The choreography was great.....if Spider-Man wasn't super powered. Not only was Dan as fast as Spider-Man, but then Spider-Man threw a punch and missed? Okay.......I guess the writers missed the part where Spider-Man has 16X the reflexes of a human, and again, even with the age and inexperience factored in, it shouldn't be close....at all.
As for betty she did look pretty young looking but hard to tell with the animation since it is less detail and smooth and older people like may, ben in pic and toomes dont have winkles. But i am guessing early to mid 20s for betty.
Nah, I'd put her around 18 along with Eddie. Remember she was interested in Parker in the comics. They aren't going to have someone that old looking at a 16 yr old.
chris moore
03-09-2008, 06:26 AM
I'm afraid I didnt make it past the first six minutes. The animation is just terrible.
Why is it with such increasingly realistic, smoother and faster animation technology and techniques every marvel cartoon that comes out is one more step closer to powerpuff girls style figures and simplisity than the last?
I mean, what on earth is up with the eyes? And they dont even bother with rendering anymore. Its just a flat drawing of spidey in a single luminous red colour with a slightly less saturated red to represent large chunks of shadow. Its not even cut and grad. No matter how spot on voices are, or how many classic characters they include in these things, I just cant get on board when they go lazy on the fundamentals.
The 2003 He-Man cartoon, now that was pretty good animation for today. Bit over exaggerated, but even I dont think the excellent realism of the old GIJOE cartoon (I spose more so GIJOE the movie) would fit with todays audience.
SpideyZERO
03-09-2008, 06:55 AM
I'm happy to say that I love this series. So far I've only watched the first episode (I'm downloading the second now :D), and this show has all the action, character and it is really hilarious. Peter is pretty spotted on, he's still got his usual bad luck, and his Spider-Man persona is just funny. His jokes really make me laugh
Other characters are ok, but Norman Osborn gets the right treatment. I already hate him now. Gwen is cute
The animation and fight are pretty good. The enforcers fight is kinda weird since Spidey should take them with not much problem, but I guess it's just to make us excited.
Let's hope this show will become even better!!!
9 out of 10
Green Goblin 1964
03-09-2008, 09:17 AM
Glad so many people liked it!
7 people-not a big fan of it
55 people- Thought it was good-Incredible.
Glad a lot of people will be tuning in this week.
Havok83
03-09-2008, 10:27 AM
I gave it a 7. It was alright, but didnt really amaze me. Im glad they skipped the origin story as thats been done a thousand times
PJBoy
03-09-2008, 10:50 AM
Awesome show! I'm looking forward to watch the Lizard one! :up:
GuyverOne
03-09-2008, 12:11 PM
So far, a 10 out of 10 from me. I didn't think I'd enjoy The Spectacular Spider-Man as much as I did before I watched it but it sure did surprise me. I think this may be the best Spider-Man cartoon to date. I haven't found anything I didn't like about it either, though I didn't watch this show trying to find flaws but rather tried to simply enjoy it.
The Spectacular Spider-Man has also revived my interest in cartoons again and restored my faith in modern age cartoons as well. I will be picking up this series once it's released on DVD :word:.
CaptainStacy
03-09-2008, 12:19 PM
So far, a 10 out of 10 from me. I didn't think I'd enjoy The Spectacular Spider-Man as much as I did before I watched it but it sure did surprise me. I think this may be the best Spider-Man cartoon to date. I haven't found anything I didn't like about it either, though I didn't watch this show trying to find flaws but rather tried to simply enjoy it.
The Spectacular Spider-Man has also revived my interest in cartoons again and restored my faith in modern age cartoons as well. I will be picking up this series once it's released on DVD :word:.
Same here. :spidey: :up:
Arcturus
03-09-2008, 12:32 PM
Okay, I just finished viewing Survival of the Fittest and Interactions! On a scale of 1-10, I voted a 9. I absolutely loved the premiere, truly wonderful! The animation was smooth, I liked the art design. The voice acting I felt was superb, the music was fantastic. I thought all the characters were done well.
I think I can say I was pleasantly surprised, I also liked all the nod's towards the comics, and even the movies! I think I'm going to keep up with this new series, and I can't wait for the next episode.
:applaud
Ratcrawler
03-09-2008, 01:16 PM
I loved when Peter's confrontation with Sally Avril, pretty much sums up the Parker Luck!
Yeah, is it just me or are Flash and his ilk WAY too prejudiced against nerds? (Except that Rand guy, he was cooler than the other side of the pillow) Real bullies would probably led him on to believe that Sally was interested and pull the metaphorical rug out from under him. Flash talks to peter the way a neo-nazi might to a Jew. Though considering the cornball nature of the "We're all nerde and you can be too." scene, it's not THAT surprising. ^_^
Also i do think they might have them date a little while later, she did seem a little jeasouly at liz during the lab scene.
I wonder if Gwen grew up ugly or something? She dresses in sweats and constantly hugs that textbook in front of her; classic body language for insecurity/vulnerability.
The Spectacular Spider-Man has also revived my interest in cartoons again and restored my faith in modern age cartoons as well.
Here here. And so soon after Transformers animated nearly wiped it out.
I gave it a 7. It was alright, but didnt really amaze me. Im glad they skipped the origin story as thats been done a thousand times
Really, what superhero cartoon adaptation in recent memory has an origin story pilot? Last one I can recall is Superman. And possibly X-Men Evolution but that's debatable.
Kamarov
03-09-2008, 01:18 PM
The show was great. It felt like the 60's comic come to life, and I know it's only going to get better. The action was great and the drama was great. Spider-Man's quickness (outside of the enforcers fight), jumping, agility and web slinging is something to behold when watching this.
I couldn't agree more.
Joker
03-09-2008, 06:35 PM
10 - Incredible. So worth the wait.
I felt like I was watching a Lee/Ditko comic book in motion.
Spider-ManHero12
03-09-2008, 06:44 PM
10 - Incredible. So worth the wait.
I felt like I was watching a Lee/Ditko comic book in motion. Yay! Another great response. :spidey::up:
Dodger
03-09-2008, 07:03 PM
I liked this show. The only one negative thing I have to say about the show is Liz. I don't mind that she's been revamped into a Latina. but does she really need the horrible accent? Really? It's ok for her to have an accent but not such a strong one.
That's the only thing that bugged me. Everything else was great. :up: The writers are laying down the foundation for great character development and amazing stories in the future.
Can't wait for that Parker "Luck" to kick in. :up:
And Joey 1 can no way touch this so it's immediately better than anything the comics have right know.
ShadowBoxing
03-09-2008, 07:06 PM
Love the show. Great to see Gwen before MJ, great to see Stan Lee elements like the Enforcers and the Big Man, great to see Spider-Man start out in high school, and an actual progression episode to episode. Although the art looks like Dora the Explorer, the writing is top notch. Sticking really close to the comics so far, and I like that.
Cmill216
03-09-2008, 07:13 PM
Love the show. Great to see Gwen before MJ, great to see Stan Lee elements like the Enforcers and the Big Man, great to see Spider-Man start out in high school, and an actual progression episode to episode. Although the art looks like Dora the Explorer, the writing is top notch. Sticking really close to the comics so far, and I like that.
Yeah, that was my only real complaint. The character designs are pretty lame.
But I can let that slide when the fight animation is as fluid as it is, and the tone being so on point.
ShadowBoxing
03-09-2008, 07:30 PM
Yeah, that was my only real complaint. The character designs are pretty lame.
But I can let that slide when the fight animation is as fluid as it is, and the tone being so on point.Yeah, the fights were pretty good. The art though is killing me, I don't get it. Cartoon art these days is so crappy. It doesn't make sense when we have the technology to put out shows as nicely done as The Boondocks, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Cowboy Bebop on a regular basis. Thankfully Wolverine and the X-Men has art that rocks my socks off.
Cagefighterkip
03-09-2008, 07:39 PM
yeah this was awful
tv animation, at least for kids cartoons, are getting worse and worse
Catman
03-09-2008, 07:45 PM
I don't feel like reading 6 pages at the moment so I'll just say that I just saw the first episode on YouTube and it was good...I guess. The only problem I have with it is that Peter is too happy and things aren't really that bad in his life. If I'm not mistaken aren't things supposed to get worse for him when he becomes Spider-Man? I know it was the first episode but...how about when he arrives late to Connor's lab? How come no one said, "dude you're late! Don't let it happen again." Everyone seemed fine with him being late.
Dread
03-09-2008, 08:29 PM
I rated it a 9 out of 10, and it bodes well that 60% rated it at least an 8 or higher.
Spider-ManHero12
03-09-2008, 08:40 PM
yeah this was awful
tv animation, at least for kids cartoons, are getting worse and worse How? The animation is less detailed, but still looks great and is fast paced. When you have something like that, I don't see how people can't be satisfied. It's your opinion though and I respect it.
Ratcrawler
03-09-2008, 09:35 PM
Men- Circle shaped eyes (except for Norman)
Women- Rhombus shaped eyes.
Cagefighterkip
03-09-2008, 11:01 PM
Men- Circle shaped eyes (except for Norman)
Women- Rhombus shaped eyes.
lol
vinny2
03-09-2008, 11:08 PM
JJJ has pretty modest eyes, too.
shinlyle
03-11-2008, 11:46 AM
I really had no hope that this would be any good. I hate "The Batman", which is done in the same style, and I haven't enjoyed a Spidey seried since the EARLY episodes of the 90's series (pre-Carnage).
But I LOVE this show!
Character development, a supporting cast, angst, Peter the nerd, and Gwen Stacy....yeah, they've got a regular viewer right here!:applaud
WildChild
03-11-2008, 11:57 AM
I voted 10.I had low expectations,and was very impressed. The animation is simple but really shines during the action sequences. Plus Spider-man was actually funny.
Spidey220987
03-11-2008, 12:32 PM
I voted 10.I had low expectations,and was very impressed. The animation is simple but really shines during the action sequences. Plus Spider-man was actually funny.
Dialogue went somethin like
Electro: I'm....what do you call me?
Spider-Man: Lightning Butt?
LMAO :woot::applaud
pjspider1C
03-11-2008, 01:50 PM
I don't feel like reading 6 pages at the moment so I'll just say that I just saw the first episode on YouTube and it was good...I guess. The only problem I have with it is that Peter is too happy and things aren't really that bad in his life. If I'm not mistaken aren't things supposed to get worse for him when he becomes Spider-Man? I know it was the first episode but...how about when he arrives late to Connor's lab? How come no one said, "dude you're late! Don't let it happen again." Everyone seemed fine with him being late.
I got the impression that Peter Parker has just recently become Spider-Man... I would say within the last two or three months prior to the first episode. So far, the really only bad thing that has happened to him is losing Uncle Ben. I hope that as the series goes on, things will get progressively worse for him.
diespinne
03-11-2008, 02:13 PM
Were we watching the same fight scene? My excitement dropped the second I saw Ox man handling Spider-Man. Wait, since when can a regular human being almost squeeze the life out of someone whose almost 100 times stronger? This feels like the 90's series all over again in the power department. And don't give me that he's 16 and inexperienced crap. Even with that factored in, their strength shouldn't even be ANYWHERE close. And if that wasn't bad enough, they had OX tear the web like it was paper. Again, a regular human being treating 6X the strength of steel like that?
Then after that, they had fancy Dan going toe to toe with Spider-Man in a fist fight? The choreography was great.....if Spider-Man wasn't super powered. Not only was Dan as fast as Spider-Man, but then Spider-Man threw a punch and missed? Okay.......I guess the writers missed the part where Spider-Man has 16X the reflexes of a human, and again, even with the age and inexperience factored in, it shouldn't be close....at all.
Well... I'm probably the biggest complainer when it comes to how wimpy Spidey was in the '90s series, but I didn't really have a problem with this fight. Spidey had just taken a spill and nearly got splattered by that stone gargoyle, so he was a bit shakey. He was also used to fighting common, untrained thugs up until this point, so the Enforcers' skills caught him a bit by surprise. But even though he got roughed-up by them, not once did I feel like he was really getting hurt-- Ox hardly squeezed the life out of him-- Spidey could have broken free easily, but chose not to for fear of breaking Ox's arms in the process. If anything, it felt like here's a kid who's having fun with his new powers and finally feeling a bit of a challenge against skilled opponents, and he always holds back for fear of really hurting people. Ox breaking his webbing was the only problem I had, but I guess it wouldn't have been near as fun to watch if he managed to just web-up these guys and leave. In the old Lee/Ditko comics, these guys gave him problems too.
pjspider1C
03-11-2008, 02:39 PM
^ I did like the fact that Spider-Man hung Ox from a flag pole dozens of stories above the ground.
"I know you can rip right through this, but you might not want to..."
That was fun. :)
vinny2
03-11-2008, 02:43 PM
The line was more like:
"Now I know you can rip right through this, but I wouldn't recommend it..."
I agree. Funny line.
Kal-El 8
03-11-2008, 03:19 PM
Survival Of The Fittest - 9/10
Interactions - 9/10
Spider-ManHero12
03-11-2008, 03:51 PM
The line was more like:
"Now I know you can rip right through this, but I wouldn't recommend it..."
I agree. Funny line. Agreed, great wsiecrack by Spidey. :up:
diespinne
03-11-2008, 03:52 PM
^ I did like the fact that Spider-Man hung Ox from a flag pole dozens of stories above the ground.
"I know you can rip right through this, but you might not want to..."
That was fun. :)
Yeah, that was great! I love how he clung to the side of the building with his feet. I really like the cinematic flare to these fights-- there's a lot going on, and Spidey really makes use of his environments!
Green Goblin 1964
03-11-2008, 04:13 PM
The line was more like:
"Now I know you can rip right through this, but I wouldn't recommend it..."
I agree. Funny line.My favorite line :woot:
WildChild
03-11-2008, 06:02 PM
my fav line was.
Vulture- I own these sky's!
Spider-Man- you may be right I just like to rent.
Green Goblin 1964
03-11-2008, 06:16 PM
my fav line was.
Vulture- I own these sky's!
Spider-Man- you may be right I just like to rent.Vulture said "These skies are mine!"
DCnightwing23
03-11-2008, 06:34 PM
I think this show will be alright!! i like the revamps so far.
Silver Spider
03-11-2008, 08:44 PM
I think this show will be alright!! i like the revamps so far.
Yeah and if they can make villains like Electro and Vulture this cool, I can't wait to see what they do with the Symbiotes and the Goblins.
Ratcrawler
03-11-2008, 11:00 PM
Funniest scene was sPidey jumping into Norman's limo as Vulture rips it up and making himself comfortable for two seconds. "Sunroof come standard?"
SLYspyder
03-12-2008, 12:08 AM
Well... I'm probably the biggest complainer when it comes to how wimpy Spidey was in the '90s series, but I didn't really have a problem with this fight. Spidey had just taken a spill and nearly got splattered by that stone gargoyle, so he was a bit shakey. He was also used to fighting common, untrained thugs up until this point, so the Enforcers' skills caught him a bit by surprise. But even though he got roughed-up by them, not once did I feel like he was really getting hurt-- Ox hardly squeezed the life out of him-- Spidey could have broken free easily, but chose not to for fear of breaking Ox's arms in the process. If anything, it felt like here's a kid who's having fun with his new powers and finally feeling a bit of a challenge against skilled opponents, and he always holds back for fear of really hurting people. Ox breaking his webbing was the only problem I had, but I guess it wouldn't have been near as fun to watch if he managed to just web-up these guys and leave. In the old Lee/Ditko comics, these guys gave him problems too.
I really don't buy the first bold comment above. And I agree, I especially the tearing through the web like it was toilet paper. The show would've gotten an easy 10/10 if that didn't happen.
Most of you guys can't tell me you weren't like "wtf?" when Ox did that, at least have him work on it for a minute.
WildChild
03-12-2008, 12:43 AM
Funniest scene was sPidey jumping into Norman's limo as Vulture rips it up and making himself comfortable for two seconds. "Sunroof come standard?"
That was my favorite part of the premiere.
Batspider77
03-16-2008, 10:30 AM
Just watched the first 2 Episodes on Youtupe and i must say great show so far,parts of it are better done then in the Movies.
The Man of Steel
03-19-2008, 09:32 PM
So worth the wait!
javi1024
03-20-2008, 11:16 PM
i finally got to watch the show and i have to say i enjoyed it. my only gripe is i REALLY dont like the character designs. and from an animator's stand point spidey's swinging can use some work; its pretty stiff. but besides that i think they got the feel of the early spiderman down nicely.
DeathRaven
03-21-2008, 10:47 PM
Im pretty impressed so far with the new cartoon. And speaking honestly I thought it was going to suck but dammit im hooked now! I love the blend of Ultimate Spiderman and 1960s spiderman, I laughed so hard at Peter when he went up to that chick to ask her out and he said "Im no wallflower!"
While I think the animation needs some touch ups Im on board all the way now!
The Joker_1000
03-23-2008, 11:44 PM
The first two episodes were....well.....spectacular. I mean, I honestly expected this series to be good but it turned out much better than I thought. The little homage they did to the Spidey films in the second episode by having Spidey land on a train and by the way he climbed the buildings was just awesome.
Silver Spider
03-24-2008, 03:02 PM
The first two episodes were....well.....spectacular. I mean, I honestly expected this series to be good but it turned out much better than I thought. The little homage they did to the Spidey films in the second episode by having Spidey land on a train and by the way he climbed the buildings was just awesome.
My thoughts exactly.:yay:
redlion2
03-26-2008, 01:26 AM
I was actually surprised that I liked it as well as I did. I thought it was good but I'm not too crazy about the artistic style but I can live with it as long as the future episodes are this much fun. My favorite thing is the animation style of Spidey web slinging. I think it is some of the best I've seen from a Spider-man cartoon.
The Joker_1000
03-26-2008, 01:43 AM
To me, this series has the best web-slinging. To me, in TAS he seemed too....stiff when web-slinging.
javi1024
03-26-2008, 11:26 AM
the web-slinging is improved from the first episode, and hes alot more acrobatic than TAS, but there are still times where hes just swinging and he has no weight- theres no bounce between web shots or no tension in the line. but that and the character designs are my only complaints (plus im not crazy about eddie as connors's assistant). i thought the shocker episode was the best one yet.
redlion2
03-26-2008, 07:57 PM
One of my favorite parts of the premiere is when he rescues Norman Osborne and he's swinging and swapping Osborne from arm to arm. That was soooo cool.
The Joker_1000
03-30-2008, 11:19 PM
Spider-Man also had some pretty good quips in these episodes.
javi1024
03-30-2008, 11:29 PM
One of my favorite parts of the premiere is when he rescues Norman Osborne and he's swinging and swapping Osborne from arm to arm. That was soooo cool.
see i wasnt too crazy about that. i would have prefered seeing him just swinging with one arm.
The Joker_1000
03-30-2008, 11:32 PM
Why?
javi1024
03-30-2008, 11:40 PM
i dunno. probably because i know it wouldnt really be possible (even though its a cartoon and he has heightened strength). i dunno, i guess as an animator it just wouldnt had been my choice to do.
Spider-ManHero12
03-31-2008, 12:07 AM
To me, this series has the best web-slinging. To me, in TAS he seemed too....stiff when web-slinging. Agreed, I mean, his wb-sling in the 90's show was very cool, but this shows' web-slinging is top notch. :up:
Ratcrawler
03-31-2008, 12:12 AM
Maybe he shoulda just held him with his feet?
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