"Market Forces" Discussion Thread

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think MJ will appear in the next episode or the sixth episode.

[vinny2]

I can't believe they actually said "dead" in the episode

90's Spidey managed to eek the word out like one every season too, by the way.

[The New Kid]

need the market forces episode torrent link please. thank you in advance.:)

[Cmill216]

Amazing episode....again.

The action wasn't quite as good as past episodes, but the development here was dazzling. The friction between Eddie and Peter was a great sign of what's to come in their relationship. Plenty of Peter pathos in this one as well, and again it was excellently executed. The final bit with Norman and Hammerhead? :up: x 10

Mary Jane reference? :up: Peter hitting on Betty? :up: Peter and May scenes? :up:

Four episodes in, and I am simply blown away by what they've done.

[Venom 1988]

Lets see, where do I begin....okay Shocker stuff

The scene right before the credits with Montana stealing the tech stuff and delivering it to Hammerhead really could have been anyone, so it could have easily been Herman. After watching the episode, however, I do understand why they chose to have Montana be Shocker. So in the end it was an unnecessary change but it works well. Having said that though, it was pretty cool to see Montana as Shocker; it was an interesting change and it has grown on me. I like the Texas accent and lingo :oldrazz:

Now for the rest of the episode. I know other people will say the Lizard episode is the best so far, but I think this episode was the best so far. I liked how even though Shocker was the main villain if you will, he wasn't the main focus of the story persay. Shocker was just a "force of nature" to develop the other characters and move forward the different storylines (i.e Big Man, Norman, Harry, etc...). This episode definitely foreshadows many things to come in the future and I cant wait.

Definitely a 5 for me, to be honest this is my favorite episode so far :hyper:

[Spider-ManHero12]

need the market forces episode torrent link please. thank you in advance.:) Try checking online. I'm sure it is or will be there.

[Sarcastic Fan]

See, you guys gave Montana as Shocker a chance and liked it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

See, you guys gave Montana as Shocker a chance and liked it. Very true, and I'm very happy I gave him a chance.

[Cmill216]

I guess because Shocker is such an inconsequential villain to me, I didn't really care about the change.

[Webhead2006]

Yea it worked for the show but still would have been nice for herman schultz being him. On another note i was wondering if any one caught this little i did when i was watching the episode over again. During the scene in the bugle when peter was asking betty for a new check on the wall behind here was some papers one said jameson buys bugle and one a little futher showed an astronaut and i believe it said john jameson(JJ's son as u all know. thought that was a nice little nod to another character) and maybe possibly go 90s route in a way for the symboite's arrival.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I believe that since the cops have confiscated Montana's Shocker device they will now put it in “evidence” in a prison housing the infamous Herman Schultz, this will lead to Schultz breaking out of prison and finding the evidence room and finding the vibro-shock weaponry.

If you know in the comics prison is where Herman developed his vibro-shockers....so although not true to the comic it makes a nice re-telling of the tale. :)

I really enjoyed this episode…but the Lizard episode beats this one by far. :liz:

[Venom 1988]

If you know in the comics prison is where Herman developed his vibro-shockers....so although not true to the comic it makes a nice re-telling of the tale. :) If that happened, I definitely wouldn't mind it.

[stillanerd]

Having Montana being the Shocker really wasn't that big a deal, but it also really wasn't all that important in the scheme of things. Shocker still could've been Herman Shultz and it wouldn't have made much difference. However, Montana being Shocker did work towards in the "living up to your responsibilities theme," plus it added the best Spidey wisecrack of the episode: "You do this for a living? With your accent, you'd be better off working as a rodeo clown.":woot:

However, there were a lot of nice developments that touched upon the classic Spider-Man canon, such as Peter reluctant to meet Mary Jane because of her "winning personality" (oh if he only knew how right Aunt May was) and his flirting and later asking Betty out for a date (with her politely turning him down). And we got the members of Daily Bugle firmly established, especially Robertson, and Jameson was spot on. I also like how we didn't get a quick fix from last episode in that Peter is still on the outs with Gwen and that now his friendship with Harry is strained as well. But Norman Osborn's story really went into high gear. Not only was his "motivational speech" to Harry pitch perfect Osborn, but taking one of the more ridiculous aspects of Byrne's Chapter One in that Osborn is going to help finance the creation of super-villains and actually having it make sense in terms of the series just shows how well Weisman and company really have a handle on things.

I also thought it worked well when Peter was initially reluctant to hand over his Bugle money to Aunt May because he wanted to get a new camera. From reading the episode description, I thought it sounded uncharacteristic of Peter to shirk his responsibility, but in the end, what we saw was a very typical dilemma young people would have in similar circumstances. It also set-up the end-scene between Peter and May very well. So, basically, while the set-up for the villain was weak, very thing else in terms of the other subplots were nicely handled.

[THE LIZARD#1]

If that happened, I definitely wouldn't mind it.

I agree....I think its more realistic in the sense of "how could Herman developed such high tech. gadgets with the resources he has in prision?" I think it would be a very wise and smart move to go with that story arc.

[Webhead2006]

Yea would be nice if something like that goes down later on.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If you know in the comics prison is where Herman developed his vibro-shockers....so although not true to the comic it makes a nice re-telling of the tale. :) Even though I 100% loved Montana as Shocker, I think that could work. I mean, isn't each Villian supposed to appear at least more than once?

[Silver Spider]

Lets see, where do I begin....okay Shocker stuff

The scene right before the credits with Montana stealing the tech stuff and delivering it to Hammerhead really could have been anyone, so it could have easily been Herman. After watching the episode, however, I do understand why they chose to have Montana be Shocker. So in the end it was an unnecessary change but it works well. Having said that though, it was pretty cool to see Montana as Shocker; it was an interesting change and it has grown on me. I like the Texas accent and lingo :oldrazz:

Now for the rest of the episode. I know other people will say the Lizard episode is the best so far, but I think this episode was the best so far. I liked how even though Shocker was the main villain if you will, he wasn't the main focus of the story persay. Shocker was just a "force of nature" to develop the other characters and move forward the different storylines (i.e Big Man, Norman, Harry, etc...). This episode definitely foreshadows many things to come in the future and I cant wait.

Definitely a 5 for me, to be honest this is my favorite episode so far :hyper:

I completely agree with this post.

[Silver Spider]

I believe that since the cops have confiscated Montana's Shocker device they will now put it in “evidence” in a prison housing the infamous Herman Schultz, this will lead to Schultz breaking out of prison and finding the evidence room and finding the vibro-shock weaponry.

If you know in the comics prison is where Herman developed his vibro-shockers....so although not true to the comic it makes a nice re-telling of the tale. :)

I would be perfectly fine with this too. As long as Herman Schultz becomes Shocker in someway.

[Webhead2006]

Did any one notice this i caught when i was watching the episode over again. During the scene in the bugle when peter was asking betty for a new check on the wall behind here was some papers one said jameson buys bugle and one a little futher showed an astronaut and i believe it said john jameson(JJ's son as u all know. thought that was a nice little nod to another character) and maybe possibly go 90s route in a way for the symboite's arrival.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Did any one notice this i caught when i was watching the episode over again. During the scene in the bugle when peter was asking betty for a new check on the wall behind here was some papers one said jameson buys bugle and one a little futher showed an astronaut and i believe it said john jameson(JJ's son as u all know. thought that was a nice little nod to another character) and maybe possibly go 90s route in a way for the symboite's arrival. Yeah, I noticed that. Maybe we will see something like ASM Issue#1 where John Jameson is being sent up in a space capsule and something goes wrong. :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea maybe.

[Spectacular23]

the show was absolutely awesome

[stillanerd]

Yeah, I noticed that. Maybe we will see something like ASM Issue#1 where John Jameson is being sent up in a space capsule and something goes wrong. :up:

Like bringing back the meteor containing the symbiote, perhaps? Wait, that's a little too much like the 90s cartoon, isn't it? Still, it's better than having the meteor fall out of the sky and just happen to land next to Peter's scooter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Like bringing back the meteor containing the symbiote, perhaps? Wait, that's a little too much like the 90s cartoon, isn't it? Still, it's better than having the meteor fall out of the sky and just happen to land next to Peter's scooter. I think the Symbitoe will land differently than it did in the 1990's cartoon and the film. I don't think repeating the same thing from the 1990's show is the best thing to do, but they are taking tihngs from the comics and if they see things they like in the films and stuff, they will use it. Besides, I wasn't bothered that the Symbiote landed near Peters' scooter.

[Dread]

Unfortunately I overslept past my alarm and thus missed this episode.

Anyone who likes my long reviews should hope I can find it online within the week or PM me a link. Thanks. :D

[Webhead2006]

Ah that sucks dread i would have liked to read your review.

[IamProdigy]

If you know in the comics prison is where Herman developed his vibro-shockers....so although not true to the comic it makes a nice re-telling of the tale. :)


That's actually a brilliant idea, and I hope they go that route to have Shultz escape, find the suit and put it on. Big Man will think it's Montana when it's a totally new Shocker, and it'll even surprise Spidey too.

[GoldGoblin]

There is so much character development for every single character,tons of action,lots of spidey jokes,great stories,and each episode is basically 20 minutes long.If they took these 6 episodes and made them into 1 live action movie,it would truly be amazing.

[spider-neil]

the character developement for this show is incredible another 5/5 episode for me I haven't been this eager for new episodes of a cartoon since the JLU.

[CBGB]

Can someone PM me a link to it on Youtube, I can't find it at all..

[Webhead2006]

not on youtube yet.

[CBGB]

curses!

[Venomfan]

my only issue was the completely pointless change of Shockers identity

[JP]

So, this was my first venture into Spectacular Spider-Man, and I must say I was pleasantly surprised. Definitely putting this on my record list.

[Webhead2006]

yea i still didnt like it being montana and would have been nice if it was herman schultz like it should have been. But it did work for the storyline of the episode. Maybe as others have speculated if shocker was to return at a later time it could be herman who got ahold of the suit and gutlets.

[Abaddon]

I liked when Spidey mocked his accent.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So, this was my first venture into Spectacular Spider-Man, and I must say I was pleasantly surprised. Definitely putting this on my record list. I'm glad you liked it. :yay::up:

[Touchdowns]

I was not able to watch the episode this morning and I would really appreciate a link to where i can watch it. I doubt it will show up on youtube as all of the other Spectacular Spiderman episodes are not there anymore. Youtube must of taken them down. :csad:

[Webhead2006]

yea they have taken down most of time but more people will put things up again all the time. I would check dailymotion.com 66stage.com and other sites like them if it cant find it on youtube or u will have to dl episodes.

[Webhead2006]

Can any one get me some screen caps from this scene i talked about earlier:
"Did any one notice this i caught when i was watching the episode over again. During the scene in the bugle when peter was asking betty for a new check on the wall behind here was some papers one said jameson buys bugle and one a little futher showed an astronaut and i believe it said john jameson(JJ's son as u all know. thought that was a nice little nod to another character) and maybe possibly go 90s route in a way for the symboite's arrival."

[Spider-ManHero12]

yea they have taken down most of time but more people will put things up again all the time. I would check dailymotion.com 66stage.com and other sites like them if it cant find it on youtube or u will have to dl episodes. 66Stage.com has episode 1 and 2 of this show.

[SpideyForPrez]

I in agreement with most of you, very good episode. I was kinda surprised that Montana was Shocker but like most of you've said, it worked. And I hope we get to meet Herman some time later. This is show is so good at character development and setting things up, any light changes they make to spidey continuity I think I'll be comfortable with. I really enjoyed Norman's converstaion with Big Man and Hammerhead. Next week looks good too, Sandman and Dr .Octavius :woot:.

[Webhead2006]

well only sandy getting powers and ock using the arms but not fused to him yet.

[Mikelus]

Unfortunately I overslept past my alarm and thus missed this episode.


Bad boy.... :sleepy: :nono:

;)



To the whiners:

What happened to the "I hate Montana as Schocker blah blah blah"? I told you guys, Greg Weisman knows what he's doing, no need to panic. Another great episode, the show is becoming a classic, hope they can keep this up for the entire season. :spidey:

[Spider-ManHero12]

well only sandy getting powers and ock using the arms but not fused to him yet. YEah, but still, seeing Otto's tentacles movig like that is just amazing. :up:

[Venomfan]

What happened to the "I hate Montana as Schocker blah blah blah"? I told you guys, Greg Weisman knows what he's doing, no need to panic. Another great episode, the show is becoming a classic, hope they can keep this up for the entire season. :spidey:
Montana being Shocker was stupid, there was no need for it, it didnt contribute to the episode at all. the only difference it would have made if Hermen was the Shocker is that it would make the episode a little better

[Mikelus]

^ Most people don't care, the episode was good, move on!

[The Joker_1000]

There is so much character development for every single character,tons of action,lots of spidey jokes,great stories,and each episode is basically 20 minutes long.If they took these 6 episodes and made them into 1 live action movie,it would truly be amazing.


Nuff said.

[Silver Spider]

To the whiners:

What happened to the "I hate Montana as Schocker blah blah blah"? I told you guys, Greg Weisman knows what he's doing, no need to panic. Another great episode, the show is becoming a classic, hope they can keep this up for the entire season. :spidey:

I'll admit it, I'm eating my words, cause I thought the Montana/Shocker thing actually worked very well. But as I have said before, I still hope Herman will appear at some point.

[Venomfan]

^ Most people don't care, the episode was good, move on!
i didn't say the episode wasnt good, it was actually the only thing i didnt like about it.

[Mikelus]

Silver Spider, thanks for your honesty, it made sense how they handle it, but some are too proud to admit it. ;)

[Venom 1988]

Silver Spider, thanks for your honesty, it made sense how they handle it, but some are too proud to admit it. ;)
I hope your not referring to me

[The Squirrel]

So how does Ned Lee go from reporter to Goblin?

[Webhead2006]

well we probably wont see that for a few seasons if they go that route at all. And who knows what they would do if they make him hobgoblin down the road.

[The Squirrel]

well we probably wont see that for a few seasons if they go that route at all. And who knows what they would do if they make him hobgoblin down the road.

I thought it was already confirmed he would be, and in the first season.

[Sarcastic Fan]

So how does Ned Lee go from reporter to Goblin?

You mean, how does he go from a reporter to being Roderick Kingsley's brainwashed stand-in?

Ned wasn't the Hobgoblin, he was another pawn.

[Spider-ManHero12]

well we probably wont see that for a few seasons if they go that route at all. And who knows what they would do if they make him hobgoblin down the road. Yeah, and I think if he is going to become the Hobgoblin, it won't be until the 3rd or 4th season.

[Spiderine]

There's no tellin what they would do with the Hobgoblin considering many different people had the identity. In TAS it was Jason Macendale.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Ned was never the Hobgoblin. Like Lefty Donovan and Flash Thompson before him, he was another one of the Hobgoblin's victims. Set up to take the fall.

The Hobgoblin aka Roderick Kingsley is living it up in the Caribbean, was his smuggled accounts, and no extradition treaty with the US. In sense, he got away with his crimes.

I hope they stay away from Macendale if they ever get to the Hobgoblin. He was a goon, an embarrassment.

Roderick Kingsley and only Roderick Kingsley. Just like Stern wanted.

[Spiderine]

Anyways, I just want to say I relly enjoyed the episode with Shocker. He was truly bad a$$ even blasting soon to be Sandy and Rhino. And I love what they are doing with Norman.

[Spiderine]

Ned was never the Hobgoblin. Like Lefty Donovan and Flash Thompson before him, he was another one of the Hobgoblin's victims. Set up to take the fall.

The Hobgoblin aka Roderick Kingsley is living it up in the Caribbean, was his smuggled accounts, and no extradition treaty with the US. In sense, he got away with his crimes.

I hope they stay away from Macendale if they ever get to the Hobgoblin. He was a goon, an embarrassment.

Roderick Kingsley and only Roderick Kingsley. Just like Stern wanted.
Macendale claimed the identity on his own.

[The Joker_1000]

I kind of don't want to see the Green Goblin until the next season so that they can develop Norman to the fullest first.

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's no tellin what they would do with the Hobgoblin considering many different people had the identity. In TAS it was Jason Macendale. Well, that's why I think he shouldn't appear until the 3rd or 4th season. If Hobgoblin does appear, I want the real Hobgoblin to be Roderick Kingsley. It stays true to the comics.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I kind of don't want to see the Green Goblin until the next season so that they can develop Norman to the fullest first.There's so much you can do with the character, man. We've already had a LOT of character development for him no need to prolong it. What's the point?

[Sarcastic Fan]

Macendale claimed the identity on his own.

No, Kingsley LET Macendale play Hobgoblin for a little while, then returned and fried the ****er. It was beautiful.

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/SquanderedLegacy/SquanderedLegacyPart4D.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Yea and we already know he is going to become old green face in episode 7.

[Spiderine]

Well, that's why I think he shouldn't appear until the 3rd or 4th season. If Hobgoblin does appear, I want the real Hobgoblin to be Roderick Kingsley. It stays true to the comics.
I definitely agree. I want it to be Kingsley. maybe he will show up after Norman's death. Maybe?

[Spiderine]

I liked getting to see more of Betty Brant and Robbie Robertson. I get the feeling with Peter and Brock becoming enemies soon Peter and Randy will become friends.

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's so much you can do with the character, man. We've already had a LOT of character development for him no need to prolong it. What's the point? Agreed, I don't want Villians to be developed for 2 seasons. They should each be developed through the season they appear in. I mean, for Harry it's different. Harry should become the Green Goblin in season 2 or season 3.

[Spiderine]

Agreed, I don't want Villians to be developed for 2 seasons. They should each be developed through the season they appear in. I mean, for Harry it's different. Harry should become the Green Goblin in season 2 or season 3.
Exactly. This thing needs to move at a faster pace. I like it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I definitely agree. I want it to be Kingsley. maybe he will show up after Norman's death. Maybe? Most likely, especially because in the comics Norman died first. That reminds me, in the comics, Green Goblin II (Harry Osborn) fought Hobgoblin. It was such an awesome battle. :up:

[vinny2]

For Hobgoblin, I hope Kingsley is present, but it isn't fully stated that he's the Hobgoblin. Then, when the mask comes off, it Ned! Then Ned gets arrested, but Spidey knows he's innocent and goes after Kingsley to clear Ned's name.

[Spiderine]

Most likely, especially because in the comics Norman died first. That reminds me, in the comics, Green Goblin II (Harry Osborn) fought Hobgoblin. It was such an awesome battle. :up:
That would be an amazing episode should that happen.

[Webhead2006]

For Hobgoblin, I hope Kingsley is present, but it isn't fully stated that he's the Hobgoblin. Then, when the mask comes off, it Ned! Then Ned gets arrested, but Spidey knows he's innocent and goes after Kingsley to clear Ned's name.

Now that would be a good idea. Yea like kingsley be hobgoblin and then maybe ned figures this out and then he gets brainwashed by hobgoblin and ..... and spidey figures it out to save ned's life.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That would be an amazing episode should that happen. Defenitley, there was mind blowing action in that Issue. Hobgoblin got away, but he defenitley got his butt kicked if I remember correctly. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

There's so much you can do with the character, man. We've already had a LOT of character development for him no need to prolong it. What's the point?


I'd just like for them to wait a little longer before he dawns his other persona but if they don't, that's fine by me.

[The Caped Knight]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .

[Spiderine]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .
Why was it pointless?

[Sarcastic Fan]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .

Because Herman Schultz was such a fascinating, Shakespearan, dramatic, character. When he appears, he clouds part, light shines down and what was once a B-grade story becomes an award winning character piece because Herman Schultz is just that great...

... Hamlet, eat your heart out.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Because Herman Schultz was such a fascinating, Shakespearan, dramatic, character. When he appears, he clouds part, light shines down and what was once a B-grade story becomes an award winning character piece because Herman Schultz is just that great...

... Hamlet, eat your heart out.
:pal::pal::pal::pal::pal::pal::pal:

[vinny2]

Honestly. The only real difference between Montana and Schultz is that Montana is trained, or at least been in the business for enough years to know how it's done and Schultz was a common crook. The episode would have been EXACTLY the same, except with Montana is has a little more cohesiveness to it.

[Venom 1988]

Honestly. The only real difference between Montana and Schultz is that Montana is trained, or at least been in the business for enough years to know how it's done and Schultz was a common crook. The episode would have been EXACTLY the same, except with Montana is has a little more cohesiveness to it.
This (though Herman is an engineer too :oldrazz:). While I shared my thoughts on this issue earlier today, I wont repeat all of it. Basically the change was unneeded but it works well with the context of the story.

[Spiderine]

It fit the mold of the overall story. They have common crooks in Marko and O'hirn so they went a different route with Shocker making it more personal seeing he already works for Big Man.

[Spider-ManHero12]

edit

[Sarcastic Fan]

For those of you who don't know what battle between Harry and the Hobgoblin, it's in ASM Issue #312. :up:

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/Spider-ManHero12/2127-30883-1-amazing-spider-man-_40.jpg?t=1206232896 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29;)

To be specific, Harry Osborn and Jason Macendale. Neither of the originals.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It fit the mold of the overall story. They have common crooks in Marko and O'hirn so they went a different route with Shocker making it more personal seeing he already works for Big Man. Exactly, I mean it's not like they made him like Ultimate Shocker.

[The Joker_1000]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .

No, sir, you're pointless. :oldrazz:

[The Caped Knight]

^ oh shut up lol

BTW who got really excited when MJ was mentioned ?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ oh shut up lol

BTW who got really excited when MJ was mentioned ? I got really excited! It truly was so awesome to hear Aunt May say that. :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea its so looking they will be going the "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot" intro for her.

[Spider-ManHero12]

yea its so looking they will be going the "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot" intro for her. Yeah, I think they will introduce her at the end of the next episode. :up:

[Webhead2006]

maybe who really knows right now, and as i said earlier he is probably 99.9% is going to end up taking her to his fall formal thing since he has no one to go with. I do hope harry and gwen trust him again soon and they are friends again in the near future i would hate to see them not friends this early in the series.

[Xclaim]

Man, screw this drawn-out debate. So Schultz didn't start out (operative words) as Shocker. Boo Freakin' hoo! This episode was so good I honestly didn't care. You'd think after surviving One More Day, Spidey fans wouldn't even sweat small stuff like this.

Anyways, some of my favorite moments:

- Jameson kicking Peter out (again) only to realize that was who he was supposed to meet with.

- The "Cowboy up" conversation between Norman and Harry.

- Shocker: "Don't you mock me, boy!" Spidey: "I mock, I'm a mocker."

- The Big Man's "proposal" to Osborne, this makes SOOOOOO much more sense than every one of these established characters just randomly becoming supervillians on their own.

Damn, I love this show. :spidey:

[Venom 1988]

Man, screw this drawn-out debate. So Schultz didn't start out (operative words) as Shocker. Boo Freakin' hoo! This episode was so good I honestly didn't care. You'd think after surviving One More Day, Spidey fans wouldn't even sweat small stuff like this. Yea we were already done with that, thanks for bringing it back up :whatever:

[Spider-ManHero12]

maybe who really knows right now, and as i said earlier he is probably 99.9% is going to end up taking her to his fall formal thing since he has no one to go with. I do hope harry and gwen trust him again soon and they are friends again in the near future i would hate to see them not friends this early in the series. Yeah, also, I'm not too sure Peter will go to the formal with MJ. I mean, in the comics, Peter & Gwen were in love and MJ & Harry were dating before Peter & MJ started dating MJ.

[Webhead2006]

well i was just saying that cause currently gwen and harry are hating him. But if they become friends again maybe he will connect with gwen and mj doesnt really like peter(at this time) and goes with harry.

[Spider-ManHero12]

well i was just saying that cause currently gwen and harry are hating him. But if they become friends again maybe he will connect with gwen and mj doesnt really like peter(at this time) and goes with harry. Yeah, that could work, but Gwen was so in love with Peter in the comcis that at her trip to france, she was so depressed about being away from Peter. That's one of the reasons I think they will hook up.

[Webhead2006]

hopefully gwen if the other episodes seemed to so be into peter and seemed jealous of liz. Hopefully they get back together as friends....

[Spider-ManHero12]

hopefully gwen if the other episodes seemed to so be into peter and seemed jealous of liz. Hopefully they get back together as friends.... Yeah, I think they will. :up:

[jasontodd]

I'm really hoping that they do those defining moments in Peter's life justice. Such as the MJ "face it tiger" reveal (which it looks like they are setting up nicely) Relationship with and death of Gwen Stacy, (and posibly if he is introduced Captain Stacy) death of Norman Osborne, and Harry taking up the Goblin mantle.

They have such a great oportunity, because of how they have been setting things up to really let these events play out and be dramatized in a way that we have previously been cheated out of so many times outside of the comics. It was a great move on their part to not introduce MJ right away and a surprising, and in my opinion gutsy move to estabish Gwen in the series at all.

This show really does have the potential to be THE definative Spider-Man outside of the comics similarly to how (in my opinion and in many other peoples opinion,) Batman the animated series is THE definative Batman outside of the Batman comics.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm really hoping that they do those defining moments in Peter's life justice. Such as the MJ "face it tiger" reveal (which it looks like they are setting up nicely) Relationship with and death of Gwen Stacy, (and posibly if he is introduced Captain Stacy) death of Norman Osborne, and Harry taking up the Goblin mantle.

They have such a great oportunity, because of how they have been setting things up to really let these events play out and be dramatized in a way that we have previously been cheated out of so many times outside of the comics. It was a great move on their part to not introduce MJ right away and a surprising, and in my opinion gutsy move to estabish Gwen in the series at all.

This show really does have the potential to be THE definative Spider-Man outside of the comics similarly to how (in my opinion and in many other peoples opinion,) Batman the animated series is THE definative Batman outside of the Batman comics. Very true, and I hope for the same. :up:

[IamProdigy]

I'd just like for them to wait a little longer before he dawns his other persona but if they don't, that's fine by me.


To bad Green Goblin shows up in the seventh episode, lol. But all we need to see is how ruthless Osborn can be, and we saw the jist of it in "Survival of the Fittest", but now we have the Osborn/Big Man partnership and that'll just be good development and show us what happened, to which I think Big Man corrupts his experiment with the GG serum.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

I liked however Norman being instrumental in Harry's life and also with his ties to Hammerhead and Big Man. I liked Pete trying to go for Betty and the Bugle stuff, but hated the school scenes. Harry is still to me a bigger nerd than Pete IMO.

Lastly, I like the character development being given to Rhino, Sandman, and Hammerhead. Now are they no longer two-dimensional thugs but more three-dimensional. It's like the writers are giving them a journey and elbow-room to grow and soon become their iconic selves. I like that because the 90's show barely touched on that.

Rhino was just a dumb brute in a rhinocerous costume in the 90's show, here he is still a dumb brute but we know soon he'll become one of the wallcrawler's most powerful foes.

Same with Sandman, while he was not in the 90's show, they're giving him some chance to grow and eventually shift from being Flint Marko you're everyday lowlife thug to one of Spider-Man's greatest villains.

I hope Herman Schulz will get the Shocker suit. That way the show will redeem itself. I'm getting use to the bad designs after several episodes. I will say the show captures Pete's teen life, Bugle life, and Spider-Man life quite well, but I don't want to be clunked on the head by countless cameos or too tamed little kid fights. Last week's Lizard episode wasn't tame, they up the ante, and it was damn well done. Hopefully next week's episode will be like that funny, yet dark, but action-packed as well.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I put it up on youtube...atleast part 1 though.

[The Joker]

Ok, I just watched the episode. It was fantastic. 5/5.

These guys are doing a terrific job of portraying the crappy side of Peter Parker's life. Spider-Man is at his wise cracking best, too. And it's great to see the Daily Bugle characters finally get some exposure.

Regarding Montana being Shocker, I didn't mind it at all. Shocker is a C-list villain at best, and I have so little love for the character [I always saw him as a poor man's Electro], that this change didn't bother me. Just like Bendis' mock treatment of the character in Ultimate Spider-Man never bothered me, either.

Norman Osborn is being superbly portrayed. I love his scenes with Harry. I only hope Octavius gets some of the same great development in the next episode.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money. I completley disagree, and how does this Shocker fight like Ultimate Shocker? Ultimate Shocker can be taken down in a matter of minutes, this Shocker was taken down MUCH longer than that. From my view, this Shocker is basically just as dangerous as comic book Shocker and I mean the original classic Shocker.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I completley disagree, and how does this Shocker fight like Ultimate Shocker? Ultimate Shocker can be taken down in a matter of minutes, this Shocker was taken down MUCH longer than that. From my view, this Shocker is basically just as dangerous as comic book Shocker and I mean the original classic Shocker.

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright.

Like I said I enjoyed seeing Norman being insidious and instrumental in trying to keep his company alive while also trying to connect with his estranged son. I also liked seeing the Bugle scenes but the school scenes are too dopey.

And I can't wait to see Flint and O'Herr become Sandman and Rhino.

[Spider-ManHero12]

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright. Did you see the 1990's show? When Spidey had the black suite, he was dodging shots from Shocker. Also, he got tied up, so why is that bad? Tons of Villians have gotten tied up. Ultimate Shocker is a waste and shouldn't be involved in anything Spider-Man.

[Venomfan]

dude you don't have to defend everything this show does, it isnt perfect
Well, that's why I think he shouldn't appear until the 3rd or 4th season. If Hobgoblin does appear, I want the real Hobgoblin to be Roderick Kingsley. It stays true to the comics.
Greg let slip that the Hobgoblin will be fancy dan

[Sarcastic Fan]

dude you don't have to defend everything this show does, it isnt perfect

Greg let slip that the Hobgoblin will be fancy dan

I know you're joking, but just in case no one else does... this is not true.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Ultimate Shocker is a waste and shouldn't be involved in anything Spider-Man.

Well, I agree there, but here's the thing with the 90's show vs. with this Shocker. Like you said he got webbed up with Pete in the symbiote suit. Let's look at something there, Peter's reflexes, webbing, everything has been enhanced due to the suit. Shocker didn't stand a chance against him that suit. Here it's the regular suit and Shocker still get's owned by him.

I'm not saying villains getting web in the eyes or being tied up hasn't been done before, but I don't know if it's because this a little kid-version of Spider-Man or what, but I just didn't feel like Shocker was dangerous enough. The only time I did was when he sent Pete through that wall and said something about hitting him with a close-range shot. That was when I was like, "Yeah, he means business now." Then, it was simply Spider-Man dodging, running, air-somersaulting, backflipping, etc. out of his way.

I find the videogames have really made him what he should be a C-list thug with A-list powers. The 90's show touched upon it, even though he was sort of a hitman for hire by Kingpin. Here he was just a D-list thug with A-list powers. I never got the sense he was a real threat for Parker and Parker just dropped the theater down on top of him. He should've gotten killed by that, than I would've had Herman come scrounging through the rubble and finds the suit and a dead Montanna. Then, he swipes it off of him or shown Hammerhead scrounging through the rubble and call up Big Man and tell him, "Montanna's dead. He failed us. It's time we get Herman Schulz to join us."

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I agree there, but here's the thing with the 90's show vs. with this Shocker. Like you said he got webbed up with Pete in the symbiote suit. Let's look at something there, Peter's reflexes, webbing, everything has been enhanced due to the suit. Shocker didn't stand a chance against him that suit. Here it's the regular suit and Shocker still get's owned by him.

I'm not saying villains getting web in the eyes or being tied up hasn't been done before, but I don't know if it's because this a little kid-version of Spider-Man or what, but I just didn't feel like Shocker was dangerous enough. I find the videogames have really made him what he should be a C-list thug with A-list powers. The 90's show touched upon it, even though he was sort of a hitman for hire by Kingpin. Here he was just a D-list thug with A-list powers. I never got the sense he was a real threat for Parker and Parker just dropped the theater down on top of him. He should've gotten killed by that, than I would've had Herman come scrounging through the rubble and finds the suit and a dead Montanna. Then, he swipes it off of him or shown Hammerhead scrounging through the rubble and call up Big Man and tell him, "Montanna's dead. He failed us. It's time we get Herman Schulz to join us." Well, you have to remember that Spidey got beaten up in this episode alot. Hell, he even lost his first battle to the Shocker. That right there just proves how powerful this Shocker is. Also, red & blue Spidey really is very strong and him getting beaten up by the Shocker all the time isn't necessary. The Shocker in this show is just how expected him to be, very badass and overall a worthy Villian for Spidey.

[Silver Spider]

Edit

[Silver Spider]

I put it up on youtube...atleast part 1 though.

What's your YouTube account name?

[Silver Spider]

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright. .

Yeah, because 616 Shocker was like the greatest fighter ever, right. :rolleyes:
I thought Shocker was handled well in this episode, even though it would have been nice if Herman Schultz was atleast mentioned. And he was able to hit Spidey just as much as Vulture and Electro were.

[SLYspyder]

Yea eddie is probably a lost cause once venom comes about, but hopefully gwen and harry will gain his trust again. I would hate to see peter not have any friends at school any more. So how old do u guys think betty is, since her reason she blew peter off was she was too old for him. I am guessing probably between 20-22 range possibly and since peter is only 16 she probably thinks that is way to young and illegal if she is 21.

I'd say Betty is about 2 yrs older than Parker, same as Brock, in the 18 turning 19 range.

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.


Please, Ultimate Spider-Man is a straight up joke. Were we watching the same episode? Because I saw SM get hit like 5 or 6 times with the blast., whereas, U Shocker wouldn't have landed one blow. This Shocker gave SM a bigger run for his money than the Shocker from the 90's series, only thing was I loved 90's Shocker's attitude and voice better, "Kinda painful, or sorta painful...you decide". How cool was that line?


This was my favorite episode so far. All this talk about Rhino, I didn't even realize he was the guy hanging out with Marko.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Well, you have to remember that Spidey got beaten up in this episode alot. Hell, he even lost his first battle to the Shocker. That right there just proves how powerful this Shocker is. Also, red & blue Spidey really is very strong and him getting beaten up by the Shocker all the time isn't necessary. The Shocker in this show is just how expected him to be, very badass and overall a worthy Villian for Spidey.

Of course he's going to lose his first fight, he's a new villain. If comics, TV, or movies has shown us anything---the hero always loses the first fight but comes back in the end to settle the score. I mean obviously would you be expecting to win in your first tussle against a guy who can cause tremors shockwaves? No.

But I think in the end, I would've had Montanna got killed or be sent on a gurney to the hospital; suit manages to enter Hammerhead's hands by a crooked cop who found it in the rubble (which would then open up a storyline for Gwen's dad to come into the picture---to clean up police corruption, restore balance and justice to New York, and arrest and obtain criminals and bring peace.) Then, like I said before Hammerhead would then either give it to Schulz who'd appear offscreen but we'd see his hands or silhouette and he'd call him by "Herman" or he'd call up Big Man and tell him Montanna failed and it's time they get a new Shocker.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Of course he's going to lose his first fight, he's a new villain. If comics, TV, or movies has shown us anything---the hero always loses the first fight but comes back in the end to settle the score. I mean obviously would you be expecting to win in your first tussle against a guy who can cause tremors shockwaves? No.

But I think in the end, I would've had Montanna got killed or be sent on a gurney to the hospital; suit manages to enter Hammerhead's hands by a crooked cop who found it in the rubble (which would then open up a storyline for Gwen's dad to come into the picture---to clean up police corruption, restore balance and justice to New York, and arrest and obtain criminals and bring peace.) Then, like I said before Hammerhead would then either give it to Schulz who'd appear offscreen but we'd see his hands or silhouette and he'd call him by "Herman" or he'd call up Big Man and tell him Montanna failed and it's time they get a new Shocker. If Herman is to become the Shocker in any episode, I think he would get a hold of them in prison or something. That's if he appears though, I really like the idea of Montana as Shocker.

[Webhead2006]

Isnt george stacy confirmed to show up this season.

[Havok]

Well I just got done watching the episode and I thought it was really good.The character development has been amazing so far. 4/5 for me.

- I like how they are setting up a Mary Jane blind date kinda thing for the Fall dance. I'm sure we will get the famous "Face it Tiger. You just hit the jackpot" line.

- I liked how everyone is turning on peter i.e - Brock, Gwen and Harry

- It was also nice seeing Spider-Man get his butt kicked.

[Arcturus]

This was a wonderful episode! I still say Natural Selection was the best so far, but Market Forces certainly kicked ass, no doubt about that!

I give it a 4 out 5.

:up:

[The Caped Knight]

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

My sentiments exactly

I liked however Norman being instrumental in Harry's life and also with his ties to Hammerhead and Big Man. I liked Pete trying to go for Betty and the Bugle stuff, but hated the school scenes. Harry is still to me a bigger nerd than Pete IMO.

Lastly, I like the character development being given to Rhino, Sandman, and Hammerhead. Now are they no longer two-dimensional thugs but more three-dimensional. It's like the writers are giving them a journey and elbow-room to grow and soon become their iconic selves. I like that because the 90's show barely touched on that.

Rhino was just a dumb brute in a rhinocerous costume in the 90's show, here he is still a dumb brute but we know soon he'll become one of the wallcrawler's most powerful foes.

Same with Sandman, while he was not in the 90's show, they're giving him some chance to grow and eventually shift from being Flint Marko you're everyday lowlife thug to one of Spider-Man's greatest villains.



I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

[Web-Head]

My sentiments exactly



I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

Big Man and Kingpin are two entirely different characters.

Kingpin can't be used due to legal reasons.



Edit: I see Sarcastic beat me to that.

[Sarcastic Fan]

My sentiments exactly



I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

Marko's partner is Alex.

[Jick09]

I just saw the episode.
Shocker pwns!
and JJ is so funny..I actually laughed! dang!
this show is perfect.

[The Joker_1000]

I'm not even a big fan of Shocker but seeing him in this series was very interesting. I actually like this version more than TAS version.

[SpideyZERO]

First 5/5 episode for me. A very entertaining episode for me.

I'm surprised that Shocker actually defeats Spidey once, since I've been reading too much Ultimate and don't think Shocker's that strong :D

I feel sad that Peter's starting to lose his friends one by one. First Eddie and Gwen and now even Harry. I hope he will able to patch things up with them soon

One thing I don't understand, Peter did use the first paycheck to buy a new camera right? But when he gave Aunt May money, it shows he has his old one. What?

[vinny2]

First 5/5 episode for me. A very entertaining episode for me.

I'm surprised that Shocker actually defeats Spidey once, since I've been reading too much Ultimate and don't think Shocker's that strong :D

I feel sad that Peter's starting to lose his friends one by one. First Eddie and Gwen and now even Harry. I hope he will able to patch things up with them soon

One thing I don't understand, Peter did use the first paycheck to buy a new camera right? But when he gave Aunt May money, it shows he has his old one. What?

He did have a new camera when he was talking to Betty, so I guess he returned it.

[CaptainStacy]

Another great episode!

It's just amazing how Weisman and Cook include so many nuances from the comics without coming off as stale;

Aunt May's finacial woes...Jameson's bombastic tirades...Peter and Betty's flirtation...The Norman/Harry dynamic...Spidey's in-fight trash talk...it's all there, yet with a very fresh spin...

The transition from Montana to Shocker didnt even bother me one bit. I sat back, and tried to remember any comic i've read that even shows Herman Schulz's real face and off the top of my head, couldnt do it.

As usual, the fight scenes and web-swinging looked phenomenal.

I honestly am beginning to think this show could one day challenge Batman:TAS as the greatest comic toon ever. (yeah, that's right: I went there! :oldrazz: )...

5/5

[CaptainStacy]

Also; I love Flash Thompson's obnoxious laugh. Cracks me up every time, lol...:woot:

[Nathan]

The only thing I dislike. Everytime I hear Flash laugh it just reminds me that this cartoon is geared toward younger kids. I really hate those characters with over-the-top obnoxious laughs.

[CaptainStacy]

The only thing I dislike. Everytime I hear Flash laugh it just reminds me that this cartoon is geared toward younger kids. I really hate those characters with over-the-top obnoxious laughs.

I just think he's being a jerk, lol. :woot:

[Prefix]

After seeing this episode, the ending really made me think that Herman Shultz could take over as The Shocker. Specifically the fact that Montana was not in the Big Man's good books before the final confrontation, and being caught by the police at the end didn't help matters. Also the new deal with Oscorp.

[Prefix]

OMG! This cartoon is geared towards younger kids!

[Visionary]

Let's rid the world of children. :dry:

[Ratcrawler]

I've never been a huge Shocker fan but it bothered me that they made Montana the Shocker. The Enforcers all represent a part of sPidey: His strength, his agility and his websliging whether portrayed via ropes or bullwhips. Montana's supposed to the the web guy, not Shocker 2.

Aside from that, solid episode, including the best lines in the series so far...

"Don't go all Emo on me, bro."

"She has a great personality." *shudders*

"There is a person by that name who lives at my house and eats my food."

It astonishes me how this show features multiple characters per episode and handles them better than Teen Titans or The Batman ever did.


Also, I just realized that O'Hirn is Rhino with the letter rearranged. Stan Lee sure did enjoy his subtle name puns.

[Dr.Dude]

This is what I don't really get--why does everyone immediately make the assumption that just because Montana becomes the Shocker, it means that Montana isn't also Herman Schultz?

As far as I know, we've never been privvy to Montana's real name in the comics, so I don't see any reason it couldn't be Herman. All this episode does is establish a version of Herman that, before becoming the Shocker, was Montana. It makes more sense to me to throw a different person into Montana's role in the Enforcers (Especially since they've had a few different roster changes in the comics; hell, if they didn't want to do a second Montana, why not bring in Snake Marston?) than it does to switch out the Shocker's alter ego, when there really is no reason in the context of this series that Montana and Herman can't be one and the same.

Anyway--cool episode, not as awesome as the Lizard one but I already love this show. I really think this has a huge potential to be the defining television series that the Spider-Man character has always needed...and it's definitely well on its way to being just that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Isnt george stacy confirmed to show up this season. Yeah, I think he was.

[ironwez20]

this is the best spidey show so far right now everything fits well and they didnt change anything like ultimate sm did

[CaptainCanada]

Another good episode; given the steady attrition of Peter's friends (he's not on good terms with anyone, by my count), I'm assuming MJ is going to enter at the last moment (probably before that dance) when he's at rock-bottom.

A lot of Spidey fans are annoyed at making Montana the Shocker, but I could care less; he's a C-list villain; I will say, I think the 90s version was better (he had a more threatening voice). Incidentally, I like the setup given here for the next wave of supercriminals (sort of like what the 90s series did with a bunch of their villains getting an assist from the Kingpin).

We get the first prolonged Jameson appearance here; he's okay, but the Asner version from the 90s will always be my favourite; their Robbie is good, and Betty is actually in this one (the age difference between them has always been one of the stranger elements of the Lee/Ditko era).

[IamProdigy]

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .


Marko's partner IS Rhino, Alex O'Hirn.

[IamProdigy]

"Don't go all Emo on me, bro."


That line made me laugh, haha.

Funny though, when the first episode aired, the design of the characters, like the big bulgy eyes or even Eddie's left pants leg being underneath his show kinda aggravated me, but then I went through the second episode, didn't notice it and the last two episodes I've clearly looked past it just because those were the designs that they went for and even if they aren't the best, they still look good within this show, and the designs make the characters move fluidly.

Just wanted to say it, lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

"Don't go all Emo on me, bro." That line was very funny. :woot::up:

[Sawyer]

I'm loving that the show is waiting to introduce MJ and actually having Pete avoid meeting her, just like in the comics.

[JerseyJoker]

I been catching up on the series via some site.

So far, i like it. It's no where being as great as the 90's cartoon was, but i think it has its own style, a great mix of Ult. and 616 Spidey characteristics in it.

I didn't like Shocker being a western guy. It sorta takes away from the character with that accent.

I dont mind the animation style, with each new cartoon adaptation, there is a new style with, that is something i like.

[Sawyer]

I didnt have a problem with Montana being the Shocker, just because I'm sure no one gives a s*** about the real Shocker. I sure dont...

[Venom 1988]

I didnt have a problem with Montana being the Shocker, just because I'm sure no one gives a s*** about the real Shocker. I sure dont...:whatever:

[JerseyJoker]

I liked the Shocker, i always thought he was a fun second-tier villain. His powers are enough to push Spidey to a serious fight.

[Prefix]

We didn't even find out the Shocker's real name in the '90s series.

[Farren]

I really liked this episode. The show is doing an excellent job building up the supporting cast. It's a real treat.

Anyone else catch Foswell's brief appearance? That was a nice momemt. I hope they use him.

I loled at Peter asking Betty to the dance. What a dork. Peter: no HS-grad is going to go to your dance with you!

I really like the way Gwen has been written so far. Comic!Gwen was a nice girl and all, but she was little more than a token love interest - sweet, devoted, pretty. I like that in this series they've played up on the fact that she's intelligent and a good student like Peter. And I think making her a HS friend of Peter's is good choice.

[JerseyJoker]

I also like the nice little cameo of Ned leeds.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I liked the Shocker, i always thought he was a fun second-tier villain. His powers are enough to push Spidey to a serious fight. Agreed, even though he's not really on my favorite Villians list, He still has always been an aweosme Villian, IMO.

[Sawyer]

I also like the nice little cameo of Ned leeds.

You mean Ned Lee...

[zeptron]

I'll forgive them for Shocker having a needless accent because Spidey made fun of it.

[Touchdowns]

The Spectacular Spider-Man "Market Forces" is on Youtube! Watch it before Youtube takes it off.

[Ratcrawler]

More, memorable lines...

"Are we talking 'Marianas Trench' deep or 'Dante's Ninth Circle' Deep?"

"Carpe Ropum?"

"We've GOT to stop meeting like this! People are starting to talk!"

Did anybody else find it funny how the "A Man's ResPonsibilities" line Pete told AILF May was him quoting a bad guy he fought a few hours before?

[spiderguy252000]

where did Ned Cameo? i missed it :huh:

[Venom 1988]

where did Ned Cameo? i missed it :huh: He was that reporter that showed up at the theatre at the end of the shocker fight.

[Spider-ManHero12]

He was that reporter that showed up at the theatre at the end of the shocker fight. Yeah, he was also in the first episode.

[IamProdigy]

I enjoyed the Dante's Inferno line also...made me smile.

The ninth circle - traitors and of the like. Four different "Zones".


Just if anyone didn't know, lol.

[Ratcrawler]

Carpe Ropum= Sieze the, um, rope I guess. LOL

[Arcturus]

There were a lot of great lines in the episode, it's good to see they got Spideys humor.

[Sawyer]

I've got to be honest here, I think that Spectacular is the best Spidey series yet.


yes, even better than TAS.

[Spider-ManHero12]

There were a lot of great lines in the episode, it's good to see they got Spideys humor. Agreed, that's a great aspect of Spidey. :up:

[Ratcrawler]

Better than the films did. Although the exchanges at the Daily Bugle were some of the funniest things I've seen in theaters last summer. J.K. Simmons is gold.

[The Lizard]

I still like the action in the Lizard episode better, but I have to admit that "Market Forces" had the best dialog of any Spidey cartoon ever. It was just like the classic Lee/Ditko era.

Montana as Shocker was a minor quibble, but still an awesome ep with lots of classic characters. Glad to see that these writers really get the classic Spidey.

[Dread]

I had actually missed this week's episode, but thanks to the Internet, and some PM's from anarchistguy, Sarcastic Fan, CaptainCanada, vinny2, I was able to catch it. I actually came on and looked Sunday night after work before checking the last two PM's, but I deeply appreciate the effort. I try to put effort into long posts and it is nice that I have folks who enjoy them.

"Market Forces" has garnered attention even before it aired because it marked the debut of Shocker, a B-List villain who is quite popular with fans now and could be bordering on A-List, if he ever got a major comic story or a show in SPIDER-MAN 4. He's shown up in all of the movie Spidey games, the second PS1 game, and even FRIEND OR FOE and ULTIMATE ALLIANCE. But he also has had a rich history in cartoons, too. In some ways he often has had strong episodes.

In 1982-1983, he showed up in the second season episode of SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS in the episode that detailed Spider-Man's origin, "ALONG CAME SPIDEY". While that show, along with many 80's cartoons, is nothing compared to stuff from later years, that episode was the shining jewel of the series. In that episode, Shocker escapes from prison to declare revenge on Spider-Man for capturing him (off camera, as Shocker had never showed up before or in the 1981 syndicated Spidey-show that Marvel produced to basically sell it to NBC). Back then, villain of the week was the norm. And while his design was crude and he had cheesy one-liners, Shocker ended up bringing the 80's Spidey to the verge of quitting by accidentally injuring Aunt May and landing her in the hospital. This got an emotional Peter to relay his origin to his Spider-Friends and wonder if he really did any good as a hero, as this time May was hurt even when he HAD acted responsibly. This episode has, arguably, the most exact translation of the origin story in my generation. Naturally, Spidey finds his spirits and the Spider-Friends prevail, and even May finds Spider-Man "not so scary" at the end. But for Spider-Friends, that was as deep as it got.

In the 90's show, Shocker got a pitch-perfect costume translation (and showed up in the first season, when the animation was still good), as well as a great voice job by Jim Cummings. Shocker was a hitman for the Kingpin who was the villain that ended up showing Peter how corrupted the symbiote costume had made him, and leading to Venom. He had a notable turn in the "Insidious Six" episodes, too. To many of us, even if we had many grievances with the 90's show, their treatment of Shocker was not one of 'em, and we wondered how this show could possibly top it.

Bluntly, it didn't. The 90's version is a better Shocker. But that really didn't matter to me. SS-M is doing a great job with everyone and everything else that matters to the franchise it deals with that it is hardly a deal-breaker when the villain registers only a B in comparison with a prior A-List appearance. I mean, hey, we got an A+ version of Vulture. How often does THAT happen?

The episode, as they all have been doing, carry in subplots from the prior ones, and that is essential for serial stories. I am happy to see another Marvel show embrace it. The Big Man is still ticked about Spider-Man escaping the clutches of the Enforcers in the pilot, and his goons liberate a hi-tech costume for Montana, the only member of the Enforcers to escape jail, to don in order to finish his contract. Right away, this was the gutsiest move the SS-M team has made so far. Rather than introduce Herman Schultz as a seperate goon, they merge him and Montana of the Enforcers. On the upside, this connects things and reduces the amount of "randomness" that some creators don't like about the early 60's comics. On the downside, we now have a Shocker with Texan slang and Southern twang, and while it isn't a big deal, it was awkward. It also seems odd that the other two Enforcers are still in jail when Flint Marko and his partner, who is named as "O'Hirn" (as in Alex O'Hirn, one of the aliases of the Rhino), seem to get out rather quickly. I mean in the 90's show, Kingpin and his criminal empire were used to connect villains together, so it makes sense to repeat what worked. The fact that this mobster is the Big Man and not Kingpin makes it more fresh, as the Kingpin has been overdone. The new design is pretty cool; I wonder if Shocker really needed it, but it works in motion. His energy blasts are green, and that seemed odd. Maybe to make it more distinct from Electro's blasts?

But what sells the show isn't the villains per say, but watching Peter Parker and his supporting cast and how being Spider-Man effects that. Hey, who knew this was Spidey 101, right? Peter is so exhausted after nights as Spidey that he flops onto bed in costume and has to duck under the sheets when May knocks to wake him. Stressing over bills that May hides behind a bowl, Peter is determined to cash in on his ability to take shots of his alter ego. However, his battle with the Lizard has strained his relationship with Gwen and Brock; Gwen is barely speaking to him, and Brock asks him to "back off" for a bit. Peter feels regret but doesn't mention that May is under money woes and that brings pressure, but I guess that wouldn't be in his nature. This episode, Peter keeps making arrangements to help Harry study for a calculus test, but Spider-affairs keep getting in the way.

May also lays in the groundwork for MJ, noting "Anna's niece with personality", which for most guys spells the kiss of death. The 90's show kind of stumbled with the "you hit the jackpot" moment, and I wonder if this show will get it right. Dunst could never pull off that kind of moment, either. It may be hard without the designs of Romita Sr. For the best look at what a Romita designed MJ would have looked like in a cartoon, there's always Firestar's Angelica design from Spider-Friends.

Peter heads to the Bugle to collect his paycheck, and ends up being smitten by Betty Brant, even as he is put off by Jonah's manic style. J.J. was also someone who the 90's show got right from temperment to acting (Ed Asner owned that role), and having 3 movies of J.J. acting like a bit of a schtick (albeit an amusing, memorable schtick) have made this Jonah act...well, more like the films, more exaggerated. But that has usually been how he is written in cartoons, or even many comics. Some have complained in the comics how he's basically been a one-note pony for ages. Given all that, J.J.'s just fine here, and I like how Cheek Galloway had the cajones to keep the "Hitler" mustache. Robbie Robertson is also introduced, and Peter seemed to know of his son, Randy, who attends Midtown High (Is that the jock who keeps hanging out with Flash? Dating Sally? I was just checking). Robbie naturally is friendlier and suggests Peter invest in a better camera.

Unfortunately, his first battle against Shocker (as well as with Marko & O'Hirn running interference) results in Spidey being trapped in a trash compacter that makes him smell for the rest of the episode. Gym class doesn't go better with everything coming to a head, misques with Gwen and Harry, and even Flash scoring fresh rips on the odor. It is this kind of drama with the cast that made Spider-Man what he is, the sort of thing that Avengers memberships and unmaskings destroyed. Because we came in when Spidey's career was young, we have watched these relationships with friends wither along with Peter and thus it feels more raw to the audience, too. Least it does to me. Spider-Man eventually triumphs over Shocker by using his wit and guile (unable to touch Shocker's vibrational suit, he gets the villain to collapse their abandoned building arena onto himself), but seemingly loses Harry's friendship in the process. Or at least if it continues, it won't be the same. To them, Peter is someone who cannot be counted on in the clutch, which often leads to a breakdown of relationships, and creates the strain that being Spider-Man is. Granted, it has the upsides, such as not only bring in bad-guys, but being able to offer cash to May for her bills (which she has a hard time accepting).

I also like how the cartoon shows Peter as a datin' man, not just spiritually linked to MJ forever like the comics. I liked that he hit on Betty and it isn't everyday you have an age difference thing in a cartoon.

The episode ends with what may be the storyline of the season. Norman Osborn, who has little respect for his son and lectures him on "cowboying up" (good pun on the Montana situation), and he is revealed as having dealt with Hammerhead and Big Man's mob to rub out his own business competitors. Osborn also probably invents some of the "super-tech" that is beginning to flod the area. Big Man suggests that the more "super-criminals" there are fighting Spider-Man, the less time Spidey has to web up his "normal" criminals who are out stealing the real money. Plus, it allows Osborn ways to test his gimmicks. All sides agree. The promo's promise Sandman next week and that looks great, especially since Sandman hasn't seen animation SINCE Spider-Friends in the 80's. Thank SPIDER-MAN 3 for getting him fresh in the audience's eyes.

Ned Lee is also introduced, as a few hours late to catch Spidey in action. The show's creators made him Asian to get the cast to be more diverse, and it isn't a big deal. Unlike Liz Allen, Ned got a more "Asian" last name (Liz is a Hispanic but her last name wasn't "Latin'd" up). Maybe it also could be a nod to Stan Lee.

Vulture and Lizard were still the best two rogues of the 4 episodes so far, and if Max Dillon could be introduced quickly, why not Schultz? But I respect the choices the show has made and am completely enjoying it. They really are building this nice Spider-verse that mingles the Lee/Ditko era with modern things and advances, and takes what worked in more recent stories, too. The supporting cast and the interactions between characters always mattered more in many ways than the actual bad guys; they're just the icing on the cake. The show's handling everything well. And the animation & storyboard quality is pretty good. They tried to make "Spidey dodges a blast" look interesting every time. The character models animate well, which is essential for a cartoon. They also get Spider-Man's banter right. At least every episode has one line that gets a chuckle or two from me, and I am a hard audience.

I hit 4 out of 5 on the poll above. This is Saturday morning to me right now. It makes me forget all of the sins that Marvel has done with their comics version of the character, at least for a little while. This show nails down the heart and spirit of the franchise, and after a decade, it is good that is back on the small screen.

[protocida]

Loved the episode.

''Natural Selection'' was slighthy better, but ''Market Forces'' rocks! Loved the Flint Marko/Alex O'Hirn ''couple''. Very funny Spider mocks, getting Montana really angry.

9/10.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

I missed the show because of the frickin' NCAA Tournament!! The last episode was good, so i'm sure this one was just as good!

[Webhead2006]

try checking youtube or dailymotion for the ep or just dl it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I had actually missed this week's episode, but thanks to the Internet, and some PM's from anarchistguy, Sarcastic Fan, CaptainCanada, vinny2, I was able to catch it. I actually came on and looked Sunday night after work before checking the last two PM's, but I deeply appreciate the effort. I try to put effort into long posts and it is nice that I have folks who enjoy them.

"Market Forces" has garnered attention even before it aired because it marked the debut of Shocker, a B-List villain who is quite popular with fans now and could be bordering on A-List, if he ever got a major comic story or a show in SPIDER-MAN 4. He's shown up in all of the movie Spidey games, the second PS1 game, and even FRIEND OR FOE and ULTIMATE ALLIANCE. But he also has had a rich history in cartoons, too. In some ways he often has had strong episodes.

In 1982-1983, he showed up in the second season episode of SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS in the episode that detailed Spider-Man's origin, "ALONG CAME SPIDEY". While that show, along with many 80's cartoons, is nothing compared to stuff from later years, that episode was the shining jewel of the series. In that episode, Shocker escapes from prison to declare revenge on Spider-Man for capturing him (off camera, as Shocker had never showed up before or in the 1981 syndicated Spidey-show that Marvel produced to basically sell it to NBC). Back then, villain of the week was the norm. And while his design was crude and he had cheesy one-liners, Shocker ended up bringing the 80's Spidey to the verge of quitting by accidentally injuring Aunt May and landing her in the hospital. This got an emotional Peter to relay his origin to his Spider-Friends and wonder if he really did any good as a hero, as this time May was hurt even when he HAD acted responsibly. This episode has, arguably, the most exact translation of the origin story in my generation. Naturally, Spidey finds his spirits and the Spider-Friends prevail, and even May finds Spider-Man "not so scary" at the end. But for Spider-Friends, that was as deep as it got.

In the 90's show, Shocker got a pitch-perfect costume translation (and showed up in the first season, when the animation was still good), as well as a great voice job by Jim Cummings. Shocker was a hitman for the Kingpin who was the villain that ended up showing Peter how corrupted the symbiote costume had made him, and leading to Venom. He had a notable turn in the "Insidious Six" episodes, too. To many of us, even if we had many grievances with the 90's show, their treatment of Shocker was not one of 'em, and we wondered how this show could possibly top it.

Bluntly, it didn't. The 90's version is a better Shocker. But that really didn't matter to me. SS-M is doing a great job with everyone and everything else that matters to the franchise it deals with that it is hardly a deal-breaker when the villain registers only a B in comparison with a prior A-List appearance. I mean, hey, we got an A+ version of Vulture. How often does THAT happen?

The episode, as they all have been doing, carry in subplots from the prior ones, and that is essential for serial stories. I am happy to see another Marvel show embrace it. The Big Man is still ticked about Spider-Man escaping the clutches of the Enforcers in the pilot, and his goons liberate a hi-tech costume for Montana, the only member of the Enforcers to escape jail, to don in order to finish his contract. Right away, this was the gutsiest move the SS-M team has made so far. Rather than introduce Herman Schultz as a seperate goon, they merge him and Montana of the Enforcers. On the upside, this connects things and reduces the amount of "randomness" that some creators don't like about the early 60's comics. On the downside, we now have a Shocker with Texan slang and Southern twang, and while it isn't a big deal, it was awkward. It also seems odd that the other two Enforcers are still in jail when Flint Marko and his partner, who is named as "O'Hirn" (as in Alex O'Hirn, one of the aliases of the Rhino), seem to get out rather quickly. I mean in the 90's show, Kingpin and his criminal empire were used to connect villains together, so it makes sense to repeat what worked. The fact that this mobster is the Big Man and not Kingpin makes it more fresh, as the Kingpin has been overdone. The new design is pretty cool; I wonder if Shocker really needed it, but it works in motion. His energy blasts are green, and that seemed odd. Maybe to make it more distinct from Electro's blasts?

But what sells the show isn't the villains per say, but watching Peter Parker and his supporting cast and how being Spider-Man effects that. Hey, who knew this was Spidey 101, right? Peter is so exhausted after nights as Spidey that he flops onto bed in costume and has to duck under the sheets when May knocks to wake him. Stressing over bills that May hides behind a bowl, Peter is determined to cash in on his ability to take shots of his alter ego. However, his battle with the Lizard has strained his relationship with Gwen and Brock; Gwen is barely speaking to him, and Brock asks him to "back off" for a bit. Peter feels regret but doesn't mention that May is under money woes and that brings pressure, but I guess that wouldn't be in his nature. This episode, Peter keeps making arrangements to help Harry study for a calculus test, but Spider-affairs keep getting in the way.

May also lays in the groundwork for MJ, noting "Anna's niece with personality", which for most guys spells the kiss of death. The 90's show kind of stumbled with the "you hit the jackpot" moment, and I wonder if this show will get it right. Dunst could never pull off that kind of moment, either. It may be hard without the designs of Romita Sr. For the best look at what a Romita designed MJ would have looked like in a cartoon, there's always Firestar's Angelica design from Spider-Friends.

Peter heads to the Bugle to collect his paycheck, and ends up being smitten by Betty Brant, even as he is put off by Jonah's manic style. J.J. was also someone who the 90's show got right from temperment to acting (Ed Asner owned that role), and having 3 movies of J.J. acting like a bit of a schtick (albeit an amusing, memorable schtick) have made this Jonah act...well, more like the films, more exaggerated. But that has usually been how he is written in cartoons, or even many comics. Some have complained in the comics how he's basically been a one-note pony for ages. Given all that, J.J.'s just fine here, and I like how Cheek Galloway had the cajones to keep the "Hitler" mustache. Robbie Robertson is also introduced, and Peter seemed to know of his son, Randy, who attends Midtown High (Is that the jock who keeps hanging out with Flash? Dating Sally? I was just checking). Robbie naturally is friendlier and suggests Peter invest in a better camera.

Unfortunately, his first battle against Shocker (as well as with Marko & O'Hirn running interference) results in Spidey being trapped in a trash compacter that makes him smell for the rest of the episode. Gym class doesn't go better with everything coming to a head, misques with Gwen and Harry, and even Flash scoring fresh rips on the odor. It is this kind of drama with the cast that made Spider-Man what he is, the sort of thing that Avengers memberships and unmaskings destroyed. Because we came in when Spidey's career was young, we have watched these relationships with friends wither along with Peter and thus it feels more raw to the audience, too. Least it does to me. Spider-Man eventually triumphs over Shocker by using his wit and guile (unable to touch Shocker's vibrational suit, he gets the villain to collapse their abandoned building arena onto himself), but seemingly loses Harry's friendship in the process. Or at least if it continues, it won't be the same. To them, Peter is someone who cannot be counted on in the clutch, which often leads to a breakdown of relationships, and creates the strain that being Spider-Man is. Granted, it has the upsides, such as not only bring in bad-guys, but being able to offer cash to May for her bills (which she has a hard time accepting).

I also like how the cartoon shows Peter as a datin' man, not just spiritually linked to MJ forever like the comics. I liked that he hit on Betty and it isn't everyday you have an age difference thing in a cartoon.

The episode ends with what may be the storyline of the season. Norman Osborn, who has little respect for his son and lectures him on "cowboying up" (good pun on the Montana situation), and he is revealed as having dealt with Hammerhead and Big Man's mob to rub out his own business competitors. Osborn also probably invents some of the "super-tech" that is beginning to flod the area. Big Man suggests that the more "super-criminals" there are fighting Spider-Man, the less time Spidey has to web up his "normal" criminals who are out stealing the real money. Plus, it allows Osborn ways to test his gimmicks. All sides agree. The promo's promise Sandman next week and that looks great, especially since Sandman hasn't seen animation SINCE Spider-Friends in the 80's. Thank SPIDER-MAN 3 for getting him fresh in the audience's eyes.

Ned Lee is also introduced, as a few hours late to catch Spidey in action. The show's creators made him Asian to get the cast to be more diverse, and it isn't a big deal. Unlike Liz Allen, Ned got a more "Asian" last name (Liz is a Hispanic but her last name wasn't "Latin'd" up). Maybe it also could be a nod to Stan Lee.

Vulture and Lizard were still the best two rogues of the 4 episodes so far, and if Max Dillon could be introduced quickly, why not Schultz? But I respect the choices the show has made and am completely enjoying it. They really are building this nice Spider-verse that mingles the Lee/Ditko era with modern things and advances, and takes what worked in more recent stories, too. The supporting cast and the interactions between characters always mattered more in many ways than the actual bad guys; they're just the icing on the cake. The show's handling everything well. And the animation & storyboard quality is pretty good. They tried to make "Spidey dodges a blast" look interesting every time. The character models animate well, which is essential for a cartoon. They also get Spider-Man's banter right. At least every episode has one line that gets a chuckle or two from me, and I am a hard audience.

I hit 4 out of 5 on the poll above. This is Saturday morning to me right now. It makes me forget all of the sins that Marvel has done with their comics version of the character, at least for a little while. This show nails down the heart and spirit of the franchise, and after a decade, it is good that is back on the small screen. Awesome review! :up:

[Nathan]

Only one mistake. Shocker wasn't in FRIEND OR FOE. :o

[Pac-Master]

He wasn't in ALL the movie games either. But still, great review!

[Gotham]

Having watched the episode again, I like it even more.

[Dread]

Only one mistake. Shocker wasn't in FRIEND OR FOE. :o

D'oh!

He wasn't in ALL the movie games either. But still, great review!

Thanks. Wasn't he in at least 2 of the 3 movie games, though?

Awesome review! :up:

Thanks.

[Venom 1988]

He wasn't in ALL the movie games either. But still, great review!
Thanks. Wasn't he in at least 2 of the 3 movie games, though?

"Two out of three ain't bad" :hyper::oldrazz:

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[Spider-ManHero12]

D'oh!



Thanks. Wasn't he in at least 2 of the 3 movie games, though?



Thanks. Yes, he was in the first and second game and you're welcome. :yay::up:

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Ok, thanks to today's tech, i was able to catch the Shocker episode! Like Ultimate Spider-Man the comic, this show is kinda geared towards those fans a tad more than us ol' school 616'ers! Never the less, there's something for everybody to enjoy with SS. Anyway, another great episode with the introduction of the Shocker- although it's not Herman Schultz, they still did a good job of making us forgive that fact by giving him some great lines, and more badassedness in a rebel cowboy way. Also, Peter's relationships with his friends is starting to deteriorate, first with Gwen, and now Eddie and Harry are following suit due to his new double life as Spider-Man. I also like the way they're portraying Hammerhead, not a stupid Mafiaso-smuck, but more mysterious and in control. Norman Osborn is definitely a nod to the Willem Dafoe/Norman Osborn portrayal, and that's perfect for me! I eagerly await the next episode, and the next villian!

[spider-neil]

for me spidey gets the most important thing right, not 'spider' but 'MAN'.
the supporting cast development is superb and should be studied by creators of super'man' and bat'man' where dc's flagship characters and supporting cast don't grow and evolve.

[Prefix]

the supporting cast development is superb and should be studied by creators of super'man' and bat'man' where dc's flagship characters and supporting cast don't grow and evolve.They don't?

[Ratcrawler]

Yeah, he really is more of a sPider-Boy.

[Webhead2006]

lol he may be a boy but he is spiderman u got ot remember he was a teen in the classic just like ultimate and all that.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, but the reason one could consider him Spider-Boy is not because of his age, but because he's very inexperienced as a hero and isn't fully matured.

[Ratcrawler]

Exactly. I wasn't dissing him at all. I find the fact that he's growing up one of the show's most endearing qualities. Even though the fact that he's remained 15 for the past 7 years in the Ultimate-verse has gotten on my nerves.

[Webhead2006]

Well u got to remember ultimate title is moving at a slower timeline. Hell if u look at it from the 60s-modern of 616 spidey he has only aged like 15-18 yrs.

[Ratcrawler]

True BUT when every new Ultimates saga takes place one year after the previous one and sPidey cameos in such things, it stretches belief that only a couple of months passed since Uncle Ben got gunned down.

[Webhead2006]

well the ultimates book is different that one it is bases a yr or two yrs later. Where as uff/usm/uxmen are set in the same time peroid with each other.

[The Joker_1000]

Exactly. I wasn't dissing him at all. I find the fact that he's growing up one of the show's most endearing qualities. Even though the fact that he's remained 15 for the past 7 years in the Ultimate-verse has gotten on my nerves.


I think that for most shows or for most stories the characters need to be seen actually getting older and maturing.

[spider-neil]

think about it, you've seen peter graduate, leave home get a job get married have a kid (albeit one he knows nothing about).

superman and batman have been stuck at 30 years of age like forever, admittedly one got married and the old has a kid (illegitimate I might add) they (the characters) are basically set in stone and haven't evolved in over 50 years of story telling.

[Prefix]

think about it, you've seen peter graduate, leave home get a job get married have a kid (albeit one he knows nothing about).

superman and batman have been stuck at 30 years of age like forever, admittedly one got married and the old has a kid (illegitimate I might add) they (the characters) are basically set in stone and haven't evolved in over 50 years of story telling. Well to be fair only 20 years of the continuity counts due to the reboot in 1986. The characters have definitely evolved during that time.

[Ratcrawler]

Yeah, I guess. Damn, 616 sPidey needs a kid already.

[Webhead2006]

he had a kid lol but it was taken/killed i dont really know the whole story on that, but then also it doesnt matter since brand new day altered 616 spidey history from 89-now. And we dont know what is totally different since they havent revealed all the changes to his history yet.

[The Joker_1000]

Didn't the Green Goblin kill Spidey's unborn child?

[Venom 1988]

Didn't the Green Goblin kill Spidey's unborn child? The hell, I don't even know anymore. Supposedly now after BND MJ got an abortion or never got pregnant :whatever:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Just watched the ep....

I have to say the parts with pete are probably going to be more interesting than his bits as parker.

they should name this show the spectacular peter parker.

There does need to be a balance though and I'm still not seeing how spidey is striking fear into the hearts of criminals. Perhaps they are overusing the other rogues they are having and not using enough ordinary bad guys. They havent had pete just saving some random person on the street yet or noticed the crowd/civilian reaction to spidey (especially aunt may's).

shocker worked great though, liked how he could control his blasts and they also worked as a shield, he probably went down way too easily considering he was powerful enough to cause earthquakes, the linear patter was too easy to find out, they should have used a mathematical code like the fibonnaci sequence of something of that order.

a quilt reference is really needed in a shocker debut though and that goes against the 90s show as well.

decent ep but if it was all about peter and there was no spidey, it would have been probably better.

[Xclaim]

for me spidey gets the most important thing right, not 'spider' but 'MAN'.
the supporting cast development is superb and should be studied by creators of super'man' and bat'man' where dc's flagship characters and supporting cast don't grow and evolve.

The DCAU would like a word with you.

[UltimateJustin]

Marvel fans read comics to analyze continuity, DC fans read comics for the stories.

My only concern with the episode is that now it seems that Norman Osbourne will pretty much be behind the creation of all of the villians, which gives him a retro Shredder feel. Soon they should establish the Spider HQ where an alarm sounds when the city is in danger.

[jabbatheridge]

I live in the UK so have had to depend on You Tube to keep up with this series so far, still I've managed to see all of the episodes so far and have been really impressed with them all.

I've been a Spider-Man fan since I was about eleven (I'm twenty seven now) so I'm really familiar with all the characters, even some of the more obscure ones. I quite like the fact they made Montana into Shocker, even though it's not particularly accurate to the comics it was a cool surprise and was something long term fans wouldn't have expected to see. Which is especially nice since most Spider-Man toons seem to cover the same ground in their early days, the Doc Ock origin episode, the Green Goblin origin episode, the Scorpion one. It was nice to see something I wasn't expecting.

I'm not too bothered by the fact it's not comic accurate since to me this is just an interpritation of the Spidey Universe, like Ultimate Spidey is just an interpritation. I don't see the problem with that as long as the stories are well told and the characters are well done.

[spida-man]

well the ultimates book is different that one it is bases a yr or two yrs later. Where as uff/usm/uxmen are set in the same time peroid with each other.
some times the marvel comics time lines can be too confusing @_@

[Silver Spider]

Was Tri-corp a company in the comics, cause I don't remember? I don't think it was.

[vinny2]

Was Tri-corp a company in the comics, cause I don't remember? I don't think it was.

It was. Peter had an internship there for a really short while.

[Ratcrawler]

some times the marvel comics time lines can be too confusing @_@

Exactly. They created the Ultimateverse for fans who were tired of convoluted continuity of 616 but lately it's gotten just as crazy.

[Silver Spider]

It was. Peter had an internship there for a really short while.

Thanks. :yay: