"Market Forces" Discussion Thread

[PJBoy]

Synopsis:

While Peter Parker resists taking on the responsibility of helping Aunt May pay the bills, Montna – the Big Man's Enforcer – becomes the stunning Shocker to fulfill his responsibility: eliminating the Spectacular Spider-Man.

Renowned voice actor Jeff Bennett fulfills the electrifying role of Shocker. "Market Forces" is written by Andrew Robinson and directed by Dan Fausett.
Check out the Promo here.
(http://kidswb.com/home)

[Webhead2006]

Cant wait for next week promo was cool and i cant wait to see where it goes.

[Visionary]

Can someone get some pics of that SHOCKER promo, it looks damn cool? :cool:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can't wait for this episode! Shocker looks and sounds awesome and I'm loving how cool it is when he blasts Spidey. :up:

[Venom 1988]

Damn Shocker looks awesome.

[Captain Planet!]

Looks cool.

[vinny2]

Are they fighting in a movie theater?

[Web-Head]

Looks great.

Shocker sounds good, anybody know who's voicing him?

[Green Goblin 1964]

Are they fighting in a movie theater?They were out of Goobers.


I can see a lot of jokes Spidey can crack on him there.

[Visionary]

That's why I want pics, to see where they're actually fighting, maybe Central Park?

[Spider-ManHero12]

He wanted his Goobers.


I can see a lot of jokes Spidey can crack on him there. Yeah, I loved the jokes Spidey was cracking in the promo. :up:

[MattBearPig]

I hope he does a quilt man joke.:woot:

[SpideyForPrez]

Anyone wanna help me get a pic or "moving pic thing" of Shocker? It would be great for my avatar :woot:

[Visionary]

Still no pictures of the promo? :dry:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Still no pictures of the promo? :dry: Check the spoilers and speculation thread. GoldGoblin posted an image and a Gif. :up:

[Visionary]

Thanks, I'll just borrow them and use them here.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker.gifhttp://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker-Gif.gif

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thanks, I'll just borrow them and use them here.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker.gifhttp://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker-Gif.gif You're welcome, Visionary. :yay:

Anyway, I really like Shockers' voice. It's just so badass for him. :up:

[Visionary]

Yeah, his voice is cool.

[Webhead2006]

Anyone wanna help me get a pic or "moving pic thing" of Shocker? It would be great for my avatar :woot:
U are a long way from getting an avator man.

[SpideyForPrez]

Yeah, I just learned this. Apparently I need 100 posts for just a 50x50. Is that right?

Got a 50x50 Shocker pic anyone? Counting on that I can have one that size once I reach 100 posts.

[Green Goblin 1964]

300 posts

[SpideyForPrez]

^ Oh rats! Looks like I may have wait a little longer till I get that avatar. Probably won't be till season 2 of the show and after The Dark Knight viral campaign. Given that's all I care to post about.

[Ratcrawler]

Heh. "I'm a 'Mocker'!" Claasic.

[The Caped Knight]

Thanks, I'll just borrow them and use them here.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker.gifhttp://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/DarthVader28/Shocker-Gif.gif

I wonder if TPTB will make a crack to the comic book nickname Spider-man calls The Shocker sometimes . "Ol' Quilt-Face"

[Spider-ManHero12]

Shocker truly looks like he's as mean as he was in the comics and that is a very good thing. :up:

[Arcturus]

Haha! Great promo, can't wait to check out "Market Forces".

[Johnny Israel]

Im still partial to the voice of shocker from TAS. I mean come on he was tigger from winnie the pooh.

[CaptainStacy]

Can't WAIT for this episode! :up:

[Web-Head]

Here's the synopsis for Market Forces. Not sure if it was posted in the other thread yet...

While Peter Parker resists taking the responsibility of helping Aunt May pay the bills, Montana the Big Man's Enforcer - becomes the stunning Shocker to fulfill his responsibility: eliminating the Spectacular Spider-Man.


I love this, Montana as Shocker, and I knew the voice sounded familiar.
You can read Shocker's profile on the official website: www.spideytv.com (http://www.spideytv.com)

[IamProdigy]

So..they're screwing over Herman Shultz then?

Lame.

PS: I kinda knew this version of Shocker would be linked to Big Man and be recruited to kill Spider-Man since Shultz hasn't had any development much like the other characters, but I think Montana becoming the Shocker sounds stupid.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Here's the synopsis for Market Forces. Not sure if it was posted in the other thread yet...

While Peter Parker resists taking the responsibility of helping Aunt May pay the bills, Montana the Big Man's Enforcer - becomes the stunning Shocker to fulfill his responsibility: eliminating the Spectacular Spider-Man.


I love this, Montana as Shocker, and I knew the voice sounded familiar.
You can read Shocker's profile on the official website: www.spideytv.com (http://www.spideytv.com)Nice avy


Not sure I like this idea but if it turns out good I'm all for it. I'm not upset over this decision however since Shocker isn't a big villain like Green Gobby, Ock, Venom. But if he starts to replace them then I'll be pissed! :cmad:

[Web-Head]

Thanks. ^

So..they're screwing over Herman Shultz then?

Lame.

Herman hasn't been introduced yet, or developed. On the other hand, Montana has.

Personally, I like the move. It's better than Herman coming out of nowhere.

[Webhead2006]

I doubt they would replace the character who is shockers alias. Since the producers are taking more of the classic stuff i doubt it is true. But we got to wait to saturday to be sure. I thought it was confirmed shocker identity is herman and all that. Plus the promo for market forces shocker sounds nothing like the guy who was the enforcers dude(but i know lots of good VO actors have multiply voices).

[IamProdigy]

^^^ Yah, and he should've been developed, but that idea just sounds dumb.

Maybe this series will suck, especially if they mess up the Shocker character, and I'm a freaking Shocker fan, lol.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Yep, and these guys decisions for doing things have been smart so far. Let's see how this plays.

[IamProdigy]

It could play out good I guess...maybe Big Man fires Montana for doing such an idiotic thing and keeps that vibration technology until he hires the real Shultz.

I can hope.

But with this being the case, I'm kinda thinking that they may have the Ultimate version of Carnage.

[Green Goblin 1964]

It could play out good I guess...maybe Big Man fires Montana for doing such an idiotic thing and keeps that vibration technology until he hires the real Shultz.

I can hope.

But with this being the case, I'm kinda thinking that they may have the Ultimate version of Carnage.Because we are getting Montana as Shocker that suddenly means we're getting a clone Carnage? Huh? :huh:

[IamProdigy]

Because we are getting Montana as Shocker that suddenly means we're getting a clone Carnage? Huh? :huh:


Well I meant if they actually have someone else as Shocker, then with a villain like Carnage, they could eliminate Cletus and go with just the vampiric Carnage...and I've been thinking about it ever since "Natural Selection", because I had a feeling Dr. Connors heard Spidey say his name, so it would even work out that way.

[Webhead2006]

Well we will know saturday if this is true about montana being shocker or if it really ends up as herman, hopefully its herman i dont see why the producers would do a change like this when they been pretty true to other things.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yep, and these guys decisions for doing things have been smart so far. Let's see how this plays. Exactly, they must know what they are doing and them doing this must be for a good reason. :up:

[Webhead2006]

I was just saying this over in the season 1 thread what is that spidey tv site was wrong with their bio for shocker and it is just the voice actor who was montana and he is also voicing herman-shocker. As i said there the guy who was electro played a voice of one of the crooks in the bakery scene in ep 3.

[Dread]

Actually, Shocker's redesign isn't bad. It keeps the colors and most of the core elements. It isn't nearly as drastic as Electro's design or, for that matter, Mark Bagley's Ultimate Shocker. Hopefully this version is not a tool. ;)

[PJBoy]

http://i.enewsi.com/g/albums/Entertainment/Spec_Spider-Man/Market_Forces/Shocker-pointing.jpg

[Kamarov]

I'm not too fussed about who the current shocker is, just as long as herman ends up bcomming the shocker at some point in the series.

[Visionary]

Cool pic, where exactly is the Shocker in that picture? ^

[Gallagher]

Not a huge Shocker fan, always treated him as a joke every appearence I've seen of him. So I'm not exactly choked up about the change.

So this episode airs this saturday right?

*Awaits Goblin Saga*

[spider greg]

I love the Shocker! Amaz. #152 was my first Spidey comic so I have a special place for "ol' quilt face." :woot: I hope he's Herman.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Montana as Shocker? So, it isn't Herman Schulz?

:down:mad:

[strugler]

What the hell Montana as shocker now thats ****ed-up!!!!!
What happened to staying true to the comics????
it 90's electro all over again :(

[DOG LIPS]

Shocker's look = :up::up:
Shocker's identity = :down


it 90's electro all over again :(

:csad:

[Gallagher]

it 90's electro all over again :(

Oh god don't remind me of that brain fart.

Hell the MTV show's Electro was better, I kinda liked that concept.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Or you guys could, oh, I don't know....

GIVE IT A CHANCE BEFORE HAVING A MELTDOWN!!!

[Gallagher]

I'm indifferent who's under the mask. Still got the powers, still same old Shocker.

[PJBoy]

Here's the synopsis for Market Forces. Not sure if it was posted in the other thread yet...

While Peter Parker resists taking the responsibility of helping Aunt May pay the bills, Montana the Big Man's Enforcer - becomes the stunning Shocker to fulfill his responsibility: eliminating the Spectacular Spider-Man.
I'm fine with it.

[The Caped Knight]

Shocker's look = :up::up:
Shocker's identity = :down

Agreed

And ox better not become The Rhino :mad:

[Webhead2006]

I as i said still leaning it is going to be herman shultz and it is just the voice actor who is montana vocing shocker/herman shultz too. Untill we get another source saying its montana as shocker or if not and we have to wait to saturday i will leave it open that it is still going to be herman. Also great new photo of shocker, and it looks like they are at a dump i think in that pic.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Oh god don't remind me of that brain fart.

Hell the MTV show's Electro was better, I kinda liked that concept.

The MTV show's Electro had cool powers but his looked sucked. I still think the best look is the Ultimate version. But yeah the 90's show Electro sucked. Totally wasted given so much potential. I hated the suit for this new Electro but his origin story wasn't that bad. Just wish the show could've gotten a little more violent and he could've blasted a hole through someone's chest or electrocute them to the point where their disintegrate into dust.

[DOG LIPS]

I just don't think it's cool to change the character around like this. I understand they probably wanted to mash it all together, but this is like Harry becoming Venom or some such. Plus hearing Shocker talk Texan is going to make me cry. :csad:

Although, if the Shocker toy comes with a removable cowboy hat, I'll buy two of them. :o

[Webhead2006]

Yea there is no way all the villains in the show will be connected to spidey/peter there is only a few that are like harry/norman, lizard, and venom to name a few. The rest the majority are or dont have any connections to peter/spidey untill spidey comes to stop what ever they are doing.

[LobokDaikon]

I just don't think it's cool to change the character around like this. I understand they probably wanted to mash it all together, but this is like Harry becoming Venom or some such. Plus hearing Shocker talk Texan is going to make me cry. :csad:

Like Harry becoming Venom? You seriously think it's on that level? What's the big deal about Schultz? Unless you were just dying to see Spider-Man fight a guy who uses a lasso, I don't get the big deal about combining the two characters.

[Visionary]

I don't get the big deal about combining the two characters.
Then you don't know purists. ;)

Sure they'll talk *****, but each and every one of them, are going to wake up bright and early Saturday morning to watch the episode. So it's moot, as usual.

[DOG LIPS]

Like Harry becoming Venom? You seriously think it's on that level? What's the big deal about Schultz? Unless you were just dying to see Spider-Man fight a guy who uses a lasso, I don't get the big deal about combining the two characters.
No, it's not on that level, but would you be saying the same thing if they did? You see people putting sad faces when they mention 90's Electro, and it's basically the same situation. His name was Electro, he looked like Electro, but he wasn't the Electro fans knew from years and years of comics and such. Fans of Shocker just aren't as quick to dismiss a change of person is all. Yes, he looks like Shocker, and is called that, but the guy inside, origin, name, etc is changed drastically. People behind the show have been spouting fan-wank status a lot, so this change is just... shocking to many. Fans of a character just expect more is all, not just the familiar suit strapped on Aunt May for the sake of keeping the plot together.
Then you don't know purists. ;)

Sure they'll talk *****, but each and every one of them, are going to wake up bright and early Saturday morning to watch the episode. So it's moot, as usual.

Of course I'll watch this Saturday, and the next, and the next. And how is not liking an odd character change "talking *****"? Unless I missed posts of people boycotting the show somewhere? :huh:

[Webhead2006]

Yea we will all just have to wait and see saturday if under the mask if it is herman shultz or montana. As i said i just dont see why they would pull this move on us after all the classic era elements in the show and the producers stating many times they are fans of the classic era of things.

[vinny2]

No, it's not on that level, but would you be saying the same thing if they did? You see people putting sad faces when they mention 90's Electro, and it's basically the same situation. His name was Electro, he looked like Electro, but he wasn't the Electro fans knew from years and years of comics and such. Fans of Shocker just aren't as quick to dismiss a change of person is all. Yes, he looks like Shocker, and is called that, but the guy inside, origin, name, etc is changed drastically. People behind the show have been spouting fan-wank status a lot, so this change is just... shocking to many. Fans of a character just expect more is all, not just the familiar suit strapped on Aunt May for the sake of keeping the plot together.


Unlike Electro from the 90's this isn't such a drastic change. Yes it's Montana and not Herman Schultz, but how big of a difference is there between them? They're both mercenaries who are indifferent to Spider-Man. Only given orders and fulfill them. What I hated about 90's Electro is that they completely changed his character, not just his name. Despite being Montana of the Enforcers, Shocker is still basically the same character despite a change is persona under the couch suit.

[Visionary]

Of course I'll watch this Saturday, and the next, and the next. And how is not liking an odd character change "talking *****"? Unless I missed posts of people boycotting the show somewhere? :huh:Odd character changes is what Marvel does best. And the fact that you're going to watch this Saturday and the next and the next, is part of the reason why their methods are going to remain. They make their odd changes, you ****** but still watch, and we all move on to the next episode. Truth be told, there's just no way they're going to make everything like the comics (like purist want), no matter how many times they say it--because there will be changes. I just don't understand why after all these years, and decades for some, people still don't understand this.

[DOG LIPS]

Odd character changes is what Marvel does best. And the fact that you're going to watch this Saturday and the next and the next, is part of the reason why their methods are going to remain. They make their odd changes, you ****** but still watch, and we all move on to the next episode. Truth be told, there's just no way they're going to make everything like the comics (like purist want), no matter how many times they say it--because there will be changes. I just don't understand why after all these years, and decades for some, people still don't understand this.

I understand what you're saying. I'm not going to shed any tears or make a petition to stop the show, I just understand the frustration from Shocker fans is all. As I said, I will keep watching the show, I like the show, this was just a small bump in the road. I guess also not liking the Montana character factors in for me as well, but like was said, it's going to "basically" be Shocker, so it's not the end of the world.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea there is no way all the villains in the show will be connected to spidey/peter there is only a few that are like harry/norman, lizard, and venom to name a few. The rest the majority are or dont have any connections to peter/spidey untill spidey comes to stop what ever they are doing. Yeah, and that's staying true to the comics. :up:

[Webhead2006]

Yea there is no way every single villain as i said will end up being connected to peter or spidey. So with them likeing classic era and using classic elements if shocker is montana i dont see why the heck they would pull this on the fans. I dont think they would want to make the same mistake 90s show did with electro.

[strugler]

I still hope Shocker is no montana, it will be awful if shocker speaks with a texan accent.
If you compare the eyes from shocker's pic from eni to montana's pic from the first episode, you can tell they are different but could animators error so i guess we will have to wait and see.

[Visionary]

I dont think they would want to make the same mistake 90s show did with electro.
Why not, I mean seriously people, the 90s series was a ratings monster, despite Electro? Changing things here and there only makes fanboys pee themselves. To most people who tuned in, they didn't give a damn. The "Spider-Man Unlimited" cartoon is an example of going too far with changes, this is a walk in the park in comparison. The worst thing that can happen is a few geeks get upset, Marvel says...MEH...and continue doing what they do.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool pic, where exactly is the Shocker in that picture? ^ It looks to me like he's inside a warehouse or something.

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[echostation]

wouldnt it be great to have a hugr throwdown between electro and shocker w spidey caught in the middle??

[Venom 1988]

wouldnt it be great to have a hugr throwdown between electro and shocker w spidey caught in the middle??hmm electricty vs shockwaves?

[LobokDaikon]

Fans of Shocker just aren't as quick to dismiss a change of person is all. Yes, he looks like Shocker, and is called that, but the guy inside, origin, name, etc is changed drastically. People behind the show have been spouting fan-wank status a lot, so this change is just... shocking to many. Fans of a character just expect more is all, not just the familiar suit strapped on Aunt May for the sake of keeping the plot together.

I'm a fan of Shocker too, so your argument doesn't hold any water with me. You say you aren't so quick to dismiss the change, and that's fine, but like I asked in my first post, what is it about Schultz that you're going to miss, that's making you hesitant about this change?

[Spider-ManHero12]

wouldnt it be great to have a hugr throwdown between electro and shocker w spidey caught in the middle?? Indeed it would. :word::up:

[Venom 1988]

what is it about Schultz that you're going to miss, that's making you hesitant about this change? I guess i'll answer this. Well for me, I liked the fact that hes a cool and cunning regular thug and all he wants is money. The thing I like most about it from other villains, is that he knows hes not top tier. He knows his weakneses and limitations, so whenever he may get a chance to do something,say kill or take out Spidey hes gonna take it without a second thought.

For who they are, I like the Enforcers and I give kudos to the show's creators for using them. For Montana, I always viewed him a just a wannabe cowboy, nothing more. Beyond that, dont really care for him or the other two. So hearing that Shocker is someone I dont care for is disapointing news.

Like I said before though, I'll have to wait and see this Saturday how it turns out.

[LobokDaikon]

I guess i'll answer this. Well for me, I liked the fact that hes a cool and cunning regular thug and all he wants is money. The thing I like most about it from other villains, is that he knows hes not top tier. He knows his weakneses and limitations, so whenever he may get a chance to do something,say kill or take out Spidey hes gonna take it without a second thought.

Other than the fact the aspects of his character you enjoy came way later and were a result of having been defeated multiple times already, why would he consider himself to be a lesser villain in this cartoon? When it comes to heroes, Spidey's the only game in town, and his powers make him as powerful as any of the villains so far.

[Venom 1988]

Other than the fact the aspects of his character you enjoy came way later and were a result of having been defeated multiple times already, why would he consider himself to be a lesser villain in this cartoon? When it comes to heroes, Spidey's the only game in town, and his powers make him as powerful as any of the villains so far. It has nothing to do with him considering hes a lesser villain (though even back in his first appearance he said it himself that he was a looser thief before becoming Shocker, I doubt Montana thinks that of himself). It has to do with the technology and how he knows how to use it, and what his own stengths are.

[Spiderine]

This all sounds to be true to me. out of all the enforcers wasn't Montana the one that got away? I don't like the change considering their so called loyalty to the classic villains and characters but it makes sense with what they are doing.

[Webhead2006]

Yes montana got away but still why and go make him the shocker when he just could have returned as himself with some new tech.... to take down spidey. Oh well i dont really like the idea of him being shocker but i can live with it if it ends up being true. If when saturday comes and montana is shocker then i will be a little disapointed but i will deal with it. I was just trying to be optimistic because i know at times episode descriptions and bio pages on official sites could be wrong at times i have seen it a few times on many shows episode descriptions and all that. We will know for sure saturday.

[Spiderine]

I as i said still leaning it is going to be herman shultz and it is just the voice actor who is montana vocing shocker/herman shultz too. Untill we get another source saying its montana as shocker or if not and we have to wait to saturday i will leave it open that it is still going to be herman. Also great new photo of shocker, and it looks like they are at a dump i think in that pic.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.

[Spiderine]

Yes montana got away but still why and go make him the shocker when he just could have returned as himself with some new tech.... to take down spidey. Oh well i dont really like the idea of him being shocker but i can live with it if it ends up being true. If when saturday comes and montana is shocker then i will be a little disapointed but i will deal with it. I was just trying to be optimistic because i know at times episode descriptions and bio pages on official sites could be wrong at times i have seen it a few times on many shows episode descriptions and all that. We will know for sure saturday.
I guess they liked the motivation of Montana using this technology to capture or kill Spiderman as opposed to Schultz getting it and committing crimes. Its already a personal vendetta with Montana. The change sucks and probably unnecessary but it still works in the boundaries of things. Besides. maybe Schultz will show at the end or in a future episode featuring Shocker.

[Webhead2006]

yea what i was saying there before it could have easily just be montana voice actor also voicing shocker. As i said a few times there is a few actors in the show voicing multiple roles.

[Web-Head]

http://i.enewsi.com/g/albums/Entertainment/Spec_Spider-Man/Market_Forces/Shocker-pointing.jpg

Looks great.

I'm looking forward to see how they handle Shocker seeing as he's Montana.

[Webhead2006]

I guess they liked the motivation of Montana using this technology to capture or kill Spiderman as opposed to Schultz getting it and committing crimes. Its already a personal vendetta with Montana. The change sucks and probably unnecessary but it still works in the boundaries of things. Besides. maybe Schultz will show at the end or in a future episode featuring Shocker.
Yea if it does end up being montana hopefully they do have herman take over as shocker later in the series. Like for example say montana cant handle the powers of the gutlets and so then they hire herman who can handle the powers.......

[CaptainCanada]

Just to be contrary (and because it's what I think), the 90s Electro was a badass, far cooler than I've ever found the comics version (they actually grasped how dangerous the character should be, rather than being a bankrobber).

I don't care one way or the other who they make the Shocker.

[Spiderine]

yea what i was saying there before it could have easily just be montana voice actor also voicing shocker. As i said a few times there is a few actors in the show voicing multiple roles.
Yes. you're right. It's possible.

[CaptainCanada]

The preview guys would presumably read the script (or the plot summary) in order to understand the the plot in order to summarize it for the preview, so I don't see how they'd mistake one Jeff Bennett-voiced character for another.

[Spiderine]

Just to be contrary (and because it's what I think), the 90s Electro was a badass, far cooler than I've ever found the comics version (they actually grasped how dangerous the character should be, rather than being a bankrobber).

I don't care one way or the other who they make the Shocker.
There was nothing wrong with his look or his abilities, I think many hated the fact he was Red Skull's son.

[Arcturus]

I have no problem with Montana being the Shocker. I'm looking forward to this episode.

:up:

[Webhead2006]

yes i am looking forward for the episode, the only thing i just dont get is why they would pull an identity change on us since they have stated in many interview they are fans of the classic eras of spidey and use mostly classic elements in the show to pull a no herman as shocker and make it some one else when everyone else so far has been who they are.

[CaptainCanada]

They're fans of the classic era, but that doesn't mean they don't change things (they've made changes of varying significance to Gwen and especially Eddie Brock).

[Spider-ManHero12]

They're fans of the classic era, but that doesn't mean they don't change things (they've made changes of varying significance to Gwen and especially Eddie Brock). Exactly, changes are going to happen in tihs show, whether they are little or not.

[Webhead2006]

Yea we will just have to deal with what comes our way, i would just like to know if montana is shocker why they decide to do it and not have it be herman schultz.

[Sarcastic Fan]

What if Montana's real name turns out to be Herman Schultz?

[Green Goblin 1964]

What if Montana's real name turns out to be Herman Schultz?
Montana is just a codename ....



HMM....:meanie:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea we will just have to deal with what comes our way, i would just like to know if montana is shocker why they decide to do it and not have it be herman schultz. Well, as I said before, Montana got away and this really is a great way for him to get back at Spider-Man.

[Dread]

Wait...Montana as the Shocker? Hmm. I get that is so things tie together and don't seem random, but I'm not so sure about all this. I guess they thought giving Montana a lasso was too outdated.

The series has been solid so far, we'll see how it goes.

[Web-Head]

What if Montana's real name turns out to be Herman Schultz?

I've been considering that, myself.

[Webhead2006]

that would just be as bad to the fans as montana being the shocker and not herman. But we will know for sure in a few days what is going down. Now if montana is shocker. i hope we get an interview with greg or cook on their reason for the change and not being herman.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've been considering that, myself. Yeah, that could happen. Although, I have a feeling it won't.

[Spiderine]

http://i.enewsi.com/g/albums/Entertainment/Spec_Spider-Man/Market_Forces/Shocker-pointing.jpg
Is that you under there Montana?

[GoldGoblin]

What if Montana's real name turns out to be Herman Schultz?

^
I like that idea.

[Mikelus]

What is this nonsense? Like Marvel hasn't done any changes to the Spiderman comics in the last decades. And we still don't know 100% if Montana is really the Shocker, anyway, I don't have a problem with it. But if they make Mary Jane Spider Woman or something, then I will bash the hell out of Weisman and co.

[Webhead2006]

yea i just still dont see why greg and victor would pull a move like this after stating the show is based more on the classic elements of spidey and all other characters have been faithful to the source, besides ethnicities changed on a few and using ultimate background for eddie.

[Sarcastic Fan]

yea i just still dont see why greg and victor would pull a move like this after stating the show is based more on the classic elements of spidey and all other characters have been faithful to the source, besides ethnicities changed on a few and using ultimate background for eddie.

There's a method to their madness, just give it a chance.

[Webhead2006]

yes there is probably a reason IF it does end up being montana, i hope if they do that greg and victor come out and say why the change happened.

[Dread]

Like I said, I think they are doing it to make the show's episodes seem connected and not as "random". In the modern age, most writers dislike the random-ness of Silver Age stories and everything has to be connected. Rather than introduce two cunning thugs who fight Spider-Man with garish weapons, they merge them. THE BATMAN did something similar by turning Firefly into Phosphorus.

Granted, I liked Shocker. But we'll see how it is handled. For all we know "Montana" was an alias and he could still be Herman. But it could be that they want to show that as Spider-Man and other super-villains take over, like in Batman, more "normal" thugs start to adopt more garish gimmicks to keep up. The Enforcers had a steroid pumped big man, a karate chopping little man and Montana in a chopper and it wasn't enough.

Still, the 90's cartoon handled Shocker great from start to finish, and that will be hard to top.

[IamProdigy]

There's a method to their madness, just give it a chance.


Yes...they're smarter than Raimi, lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's a method to their madness, just give it a chance. Yeah, and it's defenitley going to be interesting to see. :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea i guess i would just like to know why they decided not to have shocker be herman schultz but oh well nothing we can do about it if it is really montana.

[deathshead2]

If they decide to make the big guy the rhino I wonder what they make the tiny guy? The spot.

[Venom 1988]

If they decide to make the big guy the rhino I wonder what they make the tiny guy? The spot. There not, Rhino was the guy with Sandman in the first episode

[deathshead2]

There not, Rhino was the guy with Sandman in the first episodeThats why I put "If" at the start of my sentence.

[Spider-ManHero12]

There not, Rhino was the guy with Sandman in the first episode Indeed, also, I don't really think they will switch around anymore Villians in the show. I mean it depends on what the Villians do, but something tells me they won't.

[Venom 1988]

I know I'm just reaffirming that it would never happen thats all :oldrazz:

[IamProdigy]

If they decide to make the big guy the rhino I wonder what they make the tiny guy? The spot.


Like two people said this earlier...so it's not really original.

[GoldGoblin]

If they decide to make the big guy the rhino I wonder what they make the tiny guy? The spot.

^
The way he was fighting,and especially with that spear he reminded me of Kraven.

[Venomfan]

Thanks. ^



Herman hasn't been introduced yet, or developed. On the other hand, Montana has.

Personally, I like the move. It's better than Herman coming out of nowhere.
Montana just came out of nowhere too:huh: and he's had like 1 minute on screen, so introducing Herman would not be a big deal at all

[Ratcrawler]

THE BATMAN did something similar by turning Firefly into Phosphorus.


God, I hated that one. They turned one of their best handled characters into the flaming equivalent of Mr. Freeze and gave him some lame tragic romance that worked nowhere nearly as good as Riddler's. I like to imagine somewhere in the aftermath of The Batman, PhosPherous' powers just faded and he became good old Firefly again.


I was also pissed when they changed Clayfaces in season 4. "Wow! Batman has a black villain! Granted, he looks like Swamp Thing, but that's still progressive. Wait, you know what? Let's change it to a white guy now."

[Odin's Lapdog]

funny, i never characterised ethan bennet as a black villain.

i just saw him as a villain. It's funny to see how people view things.


as for the herman thing, It's hardly like herman has had a real big effect on anyone's life here. This move may turn out as positive as the 90s venom introduction. One should allow a series to take liberties because more often than not, there are some genuine ideas that are better than their comic book counterparts.

I mean what is to stop them having herman being affected by a black symbiote costume spiderman and robbing the shocker suit to take revenge, or montana continuingt to keep it.

[Kamarov]

^
I like that idea.

I don't. That means they'e moulded 2 characters into one, which is so unecessary.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Still, the 90's cartoon handled Shocker great from start to finish, and that will be hard to top.

Amen to that. Thanks to Jim Cummings voicing him and the direction they took with him. Sure, he was a heavy for Kingpin but man was he cool when he and Spider-Man had brawls together.

[Kamarov]

Es[ecially during the venom saga and when spidey through him into the water tower after Rhino accidentally tore his shocker suit. "flashy clothes" lol.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

God, I hated that one. They turned one of their best handled characters into the flaming equivalent of Mr. Freeze and gave him some lame tragic romance that worked nowhere nearly as good as Riddler's. I like to imagine somewhere in the aftermath of The Batman, PhosPherous' powers just faded and he became good old Firefly again.


I was also pissed when they changed Clayfaces in season 4. "Wow! Batman has a black villain! Granted, he looks like Swamp Thing, but that's still progressive. Wait, you know what? Let's change it to a white guy now."

Yeah, the only two villains I thought they handled well were Penguin and Catwoman. Joker and Harley were alright but could've been better executed, Freeze, Clayface, Firefly, Ventriloquist, and Riddler and Croc all seem too gimmicky and too cliche'. They were all made like "Oh, wouldn't it be cool if...."

And I found the whole Ethan turning into Clayface to be like a wannabe Two-Face. He's Bruce's best friend, they've known each other for years, he gets kidnapped by Joker, gets hit with Joker's puddy, and wah-lah he becomes Clayface. If you replaced Ethan with Harvey it's pretty much the same story. Bruce's best friend gets disfigured and becomes a mad man who seeks revenge.

Yaaawwwnnn....

[Jick09]

Shocker without Herman just seems wrong to me...
I hope this one is ultimately defeated, then Herman comes and becomes the definitive Shocker.

[vinny2]

Yeah, the only two villains I thought they handled well were Penguin and Catwoman. Joker and Harley were alright but could've been better executed, Freeze, Clayface, Firefly, Ventriloquist, and Riddler and Croc all seem too gimmicky and too cliche'. They were all made like "Oh, wouldn't it be cool if...."

And I found the whole Ethan turning into Clayface to be like a wannabe Two-Face. He's Bruce's best friend, they've known each other for years, he gets kidnapped by Joker, gets hit with Joker's puddy, and wah-lah he becomes Clayface. If you replaced Ethan with Harvey it's pretty much the same story. Bruce's best friend gets disfigured and becomes a mad man who seeks revenge.

Yaaawwwnnn....

The Bat-embargo prevented them from using Harvey Dent. That's why Ethan was created in the first place.

[Webhead2006]

Yea if the whole montana thing really does go down hopefully if/when shocker returns its herman under the mask. I was saying this on the other page and others said it too they could easily say montana could not handle the gutlets powers so he gives it up or he is defeated and the gutlets are left during the fight and then either petty theif herman stumbles across them and takes the guise of shocker or he is hired by Big Man to complete the work montana couldnt.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Yea if the whole montana thing really does go down hopefully if/when shocker returns its herman under the mask. I was saying this on the other page and others said it too they could easily say montana could not handle the gutlets powers so he gives it up or he is defeated and the gutlets are left during the fight and then either petty theif herman stumbles across them and takes the guise of shocker or he is hired by Big Man to complete the work montana couldnt.

Eh...then it loses the whole edge that Herman had. Now, he is just a thief who found the gauntlets and uses them. Bah, to that idea. It totally forgets about the geniusness Herman had with creating a costume and shockwave-emitters. Sure, he still has the costume, but then he is just than resorted to being a goon who takes over for another goon's failure. I like what the videogames did with him, they made him his own boss who plays by his own rules, but has goons with him. Once they all get webbed up by Spidey one-by-one, he decides to take matters into his own hands and go solo. That's The Shocker I like.

[Kamarov]

Eh...then it loses the whole edge that Herman had. Now, he is just a thief who found the gauntlets and uses them. Bah, to that idea. It totally forgets about the geniusness Herman had with creating a costume and shockwave-emitters. Sure, he still has the costume, but then he is just than resorted to being a goon who takes over for another goon's failure. I like what the videogames did with him, they made him his own boss who plays by his own rules, but has goons with him. Once they all get webbed up by Spidey one-by-one, he decides to take matters into his own hands and go solo. That's The Shocker I like.

FYI in the 90s show shocker was just a thug (one of the buyers who wanted the promethium x from the kingpin) and was then given the technology and suit to become shocker. There wouldn't be much difference to that incarnation, which most here seem to be ok with. However, I agree with you that shocker in the games was a pretty cool character and was his own boss. He was even cool in Spider-Man : EE, despite the embarrassing way he was left for the police.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

FYI in the 90s show shocker was just a thug (one of the buyers who wanted the promethium x from the kingpin) and was then given the technology and suit to become shocker. There wouldn't be much difference to that incarnation, which most here seem to be ok with. However, I agree with you that shocker in the games was a pretty cool character and was his own boss. He was even cool in Spider-Man : EE, despite the embarrassing way he was left for the police.

But... he was still Herman Schulz, a thug that was given the suit, this would just be, "OOOh look what I found."

He was in the extended edition of the first movie? Wow.... got pics? I'd love to see it.

[Webhead2006]

no not the movie the movie game lol.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

no not the movie the movie game lol.

Oh, well yeah I knew he was in the movie game just when he said "SPIDER-MAN: EXTENDED EDITION" my brain went and jumped to meaning like "SPIDER-MAN 1.5" lol

Sorry...

[Kamarov]

No. I was talking about spider-man 2 : enter electro.

[Kamarov]

double post

[Green Goblin 1964]

Most confusing conversation ...ever.

[strugler]

Most confusing conversation ...ever.

but the thing is that i like bananas....

[IamProdigy]

You mean: "But the thinG is that I like bananas..."

...

[strugler]

You mean: "But the thinG is that I like bananas..."

...

me and my fast typing without thinking, my bad, fixed

[PJBoy]

Another image:

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/MFSSM.jpg

[Prison Mike]

what time does this episode air? 10 am or 10:30 am?

[PJBoy]

what time does this episode air? 10 am or 10:30 am?
10 AM.

[Prison Mike]

thanks. I missed last week's episode so I wasn't sure what time this show normally airs.

[Webhead2006]

nice new pic of shocker and spidey. Yes its 10am est saturdays for airing. But if u miss it at all just wait a day or so any people get it up on youtube in 2 or 3 parts.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another image:

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/MFSSM.jpg Awesome image! Thanks for posting, PJBoy. :wow::up:

[Webhead2006]

now to bad we dont have an unmasked pic of shocker so we can see if he is really montana or not lol......

[Venom 1988]

Spidey's manhandling Montana lol

[IamProdigy]

Spidey's manhandling Montana lol


And he's enjoying it...look at him, he's winking at Spidey, haha.

[Web-Head]

Another image:

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/MFSSM.jpg

Nice!

I have faith in Greg's direction with Shocker.

[Arcturus]

Another image:

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/MFSSM.jpg

Haha, Shocker looks rather annoyed.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Haha, Shocker looks rather annoyed. Yeah, and he looks a bit mad. :up:

[Spectacular23]

if you go to spideytv.com and read about the character it said that montanna was shocker

[Webhead2006]

Yes we all know about that. we are all just still wondering why they decided to do this switch and all that. When it first broke i was going with the idea maybe the site could have made a mistake and it isnt montana but herman schultz like it should be and its just montana voice actor doing both roles. But we will know for sure saturday morning.

[Arcturus]

I just wonder why Montana decides to become the Shocker?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just wonder why Montana decides to become the Shocker? Basically, he's trying to get back at Spidey for doing what he did.

[Spectacular23]

as far as i know as montanna he working for the big man AKA kingpin and kingpin just want spidey dead so he sends montanna who adopt the suit. But still even herman did the same thing

[Arcturus]

Basically, he's trying to get back at Spidey for doing what he did.

That's a possibility. Or maybe Montana is going behind the boss's back, maybe he's found another contract. Who knows, we'll find out soon enough!

:woot:

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's a possibility. Or maybe Montana is going behind the boss's back, maybe he's found another contract. Who knows, we'll find out soon enough!

:woot: Indeed we will, Arcturus. :cwink::up:

[Silver Spider]

as far as i know as montanna he working for the big man AKA kingpin and kingpin just want spidey dead so he sends montanna who adopt the suit. But still even herman did the same thing

Kingpin isn't Big man. But BM's role seems a lot like the Kingpin's was in the 90's cartoon.

[Webhead2006]

Yea it was confirmed months ago kingpin if offlimits so that is why Big man is being used he was a mob guy from the early lee/ditko run of spidey and then kingpin should up later on and took over the crime in nyc.

[PJBoy]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/ChockerSSM.gif

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/ChockerSSM.gif That's an awesome Gif, PJBoy! :up:

[Silver Spider]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/ChockerSSM.gif

That's an awesome Gif, PJBoy! :up:

Yeah it is.

[Spectacular23]

Sweet just beautiful:waa:

[IamProdigy]

You can tell it's vibration that he's shooting because of the way it hits a target, it shakes up everything...and the green tint is nice because we know where it is, lol. in the 90s series, he only saw it when it hits a wall, lol.

[GoldGoblin]

Yea it was confirmed months ago kingpin if offlimits so that is why Big man is being used he was a mob guy from the early lee/ditko run of spidey and then kingpin should up later on and took over the crime in nyc.

^
I hope,and kinda think there not gonna reveal Big Man until season 3 when they might be able to get the Kingpin rights for the show by then.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^
I hope,and kinda think there not gonna reveal Big Man until season 3 when they might be able to get the Kingpin rights for the show by then. I think they will probably reveal the Big Man by season 2.

[Robin91939]

Anyone know where I can find this ep on like youtube to watch? I can't download from any torrent sites...

-R

[Webhead2006]

hasnt aired yet lol today saturday 10 am est usa.

[Pac-Master]

Hey guys! I just saw the new episode. It was great, just like the earlier episodes were and this one introduce a LOT of characters! Ned Lee, Robbie Robertson,Mary-Jane (well,they mention her.), etc. Montana as Shocker, it's weird at first with the Texan accent and all, but then you get use to it. They also set up the Green Goblin in a way but I won't spoil that part. Overall it was a great episode that has great action but no Spidey calling Shocker "Quilt-Man":csad: It's still an awesome episode !! 9/10

[Captain Planet!]

Saw it half an hour ago, it was great!

[Webhead2006]

nice was there any mention of herman schultz?

[Pac-Master]

nice was there any mention of herman schultz?

Nope.

[Webhead2006]

Crap oh well one can hope if shocker returns in the future it could be herman schultz. Man i still wonder why they decided to do this change after being faithful to other villains so far. Hopefully they dont do a change like this to any others.

[Captain Planet!]

Crap oh well one can hope if shocker returns in the future it could be herman schultz. Man i still wonder why they decided to do this change after being faithful to other villains so far. Hopefully they dont do a change like this to any others.
It really just added to the story is all, it wasn't bad. We'll get the "crappy criminals turned supervillains" with Sandman and Rhino.

[Pac-Master]

LOL, I found it funny that Eddie called Peter "emo". :lmao:

[Webhead2006]

ok, yea i guess their was a good reason to change shocker id. As i said maybe down the road they could have herman take over the role. Hopefully greg or victor do an interview this coming week and state why they did the shocker change.

[Webhead2006]

another thing was their a promo during credits or following commercial breaks after the show for next week ep, that features sandman right?

[Electro UK]

I'm really glad Shocker's getting his place in this show. Its been so long since we've seen him in any comics. Really hope this ep gets up on youtube fast.

[Webhead2006]

the vibrations look good so far

[Webhead2006]

man poor peter losing all his friends.

[Prison Mike]

is the shocker supposed to be like a cowboy?

[Webhead2006]

no in the comics shocker for a crook/inventor who's name was herman schultz for some reason for this show they decided to make it be montana from the enforcers(first ep).

[Prison Mike]

ok thanks.

[Silver Spider]

LOL, I found it funny that Eddie called Peter "emo". :lmao:

I so did not expect him to say that, it was weird, but funny.

[Webhead2006]

Ok guys today episode was pretty good. Still a little mad they decided to change shocker's id from herman schultz to montana of the enforcers. But it still worked out well. Shocker's suit and powers looked pretty sweet in motion. Spidey's and shocker's fights were pretty good. The bugle scenes were great too jj was excellent as always and finally got to hear ned lee(ned leeds) and robbie. Also it was pretty neat peter tried hitting on betty, nice nod to the comics where they dated at one time. But poor peter he making all the wrong moves with eddie, harry, and gwen and they are so hating him. Hopefully he fixes the issues with all of them and is able to get their friendship back. Cant wait for next week promo was sweet.

[PJBoy]

Great episode!

[Silver Spider]

This episode was as exciting as the premiere, since it introduced so much story-wise and character wise. If you've read my other posts you know that I was a Montana-Shocker hater, but I've got to admit, it was done very well. Although I do hope Herman Schultz will appear at some time or another. I also liked the mention about MJ, and how they went with the blind date angle.

[Webhead2006]

Yea maybe since betty blew peter off, and gwen is hating him right now peter will probably end up taking mj to the fall formal as a blind date.

[Silver Spider]

Hopefully he fixes the issues with all of them and is able to get their friendship back. Cant wait for next week promo was sweet.

Unfortunately, I doubt he'll ever be close with Eddie again. He should be able to get Harry's trust back, at least for a little while. And he'll most likely be friends with Gwen again unless she dies to early, or at all.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Didn't expect this episode to be as good as it was.


Mostly liked it because of the setup for so many of the later episodes.

So happy Norman is being put to justice in this cartoon. He's going to be in charge of some of the big time travesties when guys turn into villains like Ock. If you watch today's promo. Shocker was cool,too. Didn't complain on how he was used really. He wasn't the main part of the story like Electro was so I'm glad. The main storyline was Peter trying to get money for Aunt May and almost losing every TRUE friend of his at school. Poor dude. But he won't be lonely for long.... Harry is going to start to bring out his popular/jackass qualities probably next episode since Norman advised him to. Norman is starting to show off his true comicbook counterpart by being the big guy behind everything. One word really got me excited though....



MMMMMMMAAAAAAAAARRRRRRYYYYY JJJJJAAAAANNNNNNEEE! :word:

[Green Goblin 1964]

Great episode!Glad you liked. Can you add a poll to the thread please:yay:

[Silver Spider]

Didn't expect this episode to be as good as it was.

Me neither, but I think it's one of my favorites now.

[Webhead2006]

Yea eddie is probably a lost cause once venom comes about, but hopefully gwen and harry will gain his trust again. I would hate to see peter not have any friends at school any more. So how old do u guys think betty is, since her reason she blew peter off was she was too old for him. I am guessing probably between 20-22 range possibly and since peter is only 16 she probably thinks that is way to young and illegal if she is 21.

[Prison Mike]

I like how they are taking things slow. I kind of expected the main villains to be featured right off the bat (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, etc). But I like how they are building things up. It looks like the creators have some sort of long term plan, which is always nice. This show is definitely better than The Batman. I don't even mind how big the characters' eyes are.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Can't wait for Mary Jane to show up!:D Norman is awesome. Heh, he reminded me of Willem in SM1. His behavior towards Harry is harsh,but still, it's what I imagined him to be like with their relationship. Shocker was awesome. When Spidey made fun of his accent, that made me laugh.:up:
I :heart: this show.:spidey:

[PJBoy]

Can you add a poll to the thread please:yay:
How?

[Green Goblin 1964]

How?Go to the top of the thread and click thread tools. A thing should pop up asking if you would like to add a poll. Click on it. Then fill in the poll options and questions.

[Visionary]

Nice episode, does anyone have the promo to next week's episode?

[Webhead2006]

its on the kidswb site already.

[Spider-Gnome]

Another great episode.

Some observations:

I like Pete is ducking out of meeting MJ like in the comics. Hoping it leads to the "Jackpot" scene.
I like they at least addressed the Pete & Betty situation. Would have been nice to go this route, but I know time wise, they will need to get him to Gwen.
Like the Parker luck. Hope he can patch things up with Harry & Gwen. It will be sad if they follow Gwen's ultimate fate!
Like Norman & Harry relationship (meaning how it portrayed like the comic)
Not sure how I feel about Norman creating villains. I know this is a current retcon that I think started in the Marvel Knights series, but I wasn't too thrilled with the idea then either.
But, so far, I like how Norman is handled and can't wait for Gobby. And do like it being setup that he will be a big thorn in Spidey's life.
Looks like next week we'll at least see Otto using the arms even if it is not Doc Ock yet, since it looks like Sandman is on deck next.


I think this show is doing a great job!

[Franklin Richards]

Is it me or is Aunt May hot? She doesn't have one wrinkle!!!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[CaptainStacy]

Didn't expect this episode to be as good as it was.


Mostly liked it because of the setup for so many of the later episodes.

So happy Norman is being put to justice in this cartoon. He's going to be in charge of some of the big time travesties when guys turn into villains like Ock. If you watch today's promo. Shocker was cool,too. Didn't complain on how he was used really. He wasn't the main part of the story like Electro was so I'm glad. The main storyline was Peter trying to get money for Aunt May and almost losing every TRUE friend of his at school. Poor dude. But he won't be lonely for long.... Harry is going to start to bring out his popular/jackass qualities probably next episode since Norman advised him to. Norman is starting to show off his true comicbook counterpart by being the big guy behind everything. One word really got me excited though....



MMMMMMMAAAAAAAAARRRRRRYYYYY JJJJJAAAAANNNNNNEEE! :word:


We should be hitting the jackpot very soon. :word:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/CaptainStacy/Mjface.jpg

[Visionary]

its on the kidswb site already.Oh yeah, thanks, I always forget about that website. :word:

[Webhead2006]

yea

[PJBoy]

Go to the top of the thread and click thread tools. A thing should pop up asking if you would like to add a poll. Click on it. Then fill in the poll options and questions.
Done!

[Green Goblin 1964]

I voted a 4/5. I don't think it's the best episode. I think the Lizard one was but It's sure as hell up there.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Done!
awesome :up:

[Prison Mike]

quick question. the guy talking to norman on the phone towards the end, that was kingpin right?

[DOG LIPS]

OK, so Montana being Shocker wasn't as bad as I thought. It went well with the story, and he looked great. BUT... the Texan accent was horrible. Made me cringe. :csad:

I do also wonder why they changed Shocker up when everyone else seems so close/true to the source. Maybe it will be a plot twist or lead-in to a future episode with the Shocker suit. But anyway, the episode was great. Can't wait for Sandman next week. :woot:

[vinny2]

Survival of the Fittest is the best episode so far for me, so I gave it a 4 out of 5.

[Green Goblin 1964]

quick question. the guy talking to norman on the phone towards the end, that was kingpin right?No, that was the comicbook character Big Man


A reporter for the Daily Bugle, Foswell led a double life behind a mask as The Big Man, head of New York's crime and the boss of the notorious Enforcers. Although he did not possess any actual superpowers, he was a slippery opponent. However, Spider-Man eventually revealed his identity and brought him in.
-From Wikipedia.

And Foswell was shown in the first episode too for a brief second.

[Araneae]

I love that they've now started to work MJ into the scene. I really hope they use the immortal "jackpot" line. It also looks like there's the possibility of Peter becoming friends with Robbie's son.

This show has been pretty good so far, hope they keep it up.

[vinny2]

quick question. the guy talking to norman on the phone towards the end, that was kingpin right?

Nope. Big Man, voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson instead of Keith David now.

[Prison Mike]

oh. never heard of Big Man. lol There's an actual villain named Big Man?

[Captain Planet!]

I voted a 4/5. I don't think it's the best episode. I think the Lizard one was but It's sure as hell up there.
Agreed

[Prison Mike]

anyone know if we will get the Kingpin in this series?

[vinny2]

oh. never heard of Big Man. lol There's an actual villain named Big Man?


Yep. Old school. His real name is Frederick Foswell, a reporter for the Daily Bugle.

[vinny2]

anyone know if we will get the Kingpin in this series?


Kingpin is off-limits. He's part of the Daredevil license. Hopefully, we can get him for next season.

[Green Goblin 1964]

anyone know if we will get the Kingpin in this series?
Not first season but POSSIBLY later seasons. Can't get him due to Fox owning the rights.

[Prison Mike]

Yep. Old school. His real name is Frederick Foswell, a reporter for the Daily Bugle.

Oh, now I remember him. I was reading some of the comics online last year (I used that software that has all the 616 comics up to the start of civil war). I remember the name Foswell, but I guess I forgot about "Big Man". lol

[Prison Mike]

Kingpin is off-limits. He's part of the Daredevil license. Hopefully, we can get him for next season.

thanks. that sucks he's part of the daredevil license. I would really like to see a Daredevil cartoon similar to this spider-man show, though.

[Silver Spider]

I liked how Robbie described his son.

[Webhead2006]

yea kingpin is offlimits for the show and as others have already said bigman he is a reporter who lead double life and we have seen his normal identity in the bugle in first episode and also again today. what the heck why is kevin michael richardson doing big man now? was keith david only doing it for a few episodes?

[vinny2]

Keith only did it for one episode. Guess he had something else to do.

[Webhead2006]

Well that sucks i would have loved to see him stay hopefully he returns, richardson didnt sound to different from me in the episode today.

[Visionary]

Sandman looks beautifully animated.

I await next week's episode.

[DOG LIPS]

Keith only did it for one episode. Guess he had something else to do.
His pimp schedule got in the way.

[Webhead2006]

Well he does alot of voice acting work probably got busy doing commericials and other things. Hopefully he can return in the future.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This episode was fantastic!!! I loved how Shocker kept beating Spidey in the first battle. That truly shows how they took aspects from the classic Shocker. :wow::up:

[Webhead2006]

yea still would have been nice if it was true shocker identity but i can deal with it being montana in this episode, we can always hope in the future herman could be the shocker. Maybe since montana failed bigman will hire someone new to be him in the future.

[Visionary]

I give the episode a solid 4, but next week's ep. looks to be even better. :cool:

[Havok]

Anyone have a link to this episode. I missed it:csad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anyone have a link to this episode. I missed it:csad:It will probably be on Youtube in a couple of hours. :yay:

[vinny2]

I can't wait for Dread's review.

[Visionary]

Who's Dread?

[Green Goblin 1964]

Who's Dread?An excellent reviewer of cartoons on the boards.

[Visionary]

Oh, I see.

[Spider-ManHero12]

An excellent reviewer of cartoons on the boards. Yeah, he defenitley makes such great reviews.

[YoungE808]

Also if anyone has a link please pm me as I woke up late this morning

[Gotham]

I'm definitely a fan after this week's episode. Waking up for the show now. :up:

[anarchistguy]

Torrent up. PM me for it

[The Joker_1000]

I have only 18 minutes of the episode on DVR as someone cut it off before it finished but from what I saw, this episode was pretty good. They are steadily using Flint Marko more & more as well as Jonah which is making me an even bigger fan of this series.

[The Guardian]

SAW THE SHOW, I HAD TO RECORD IT BECAUSE I HAD TO GO OUT THIS MORNING BUT I JUST SAW IT AND IT WAS AWESOME AS USUAL!!! I GAVE IT A 4 ONLY BECAUSE THE LIZARD EPISODE IS STILL THE BEST ONE SO FAR, IMO!!! YAY WE GET SANDY NEXT WEEK, LOL AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MJ!!!http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/195/195042/folders/145909/1910935SPIDEY2.gifhttp://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/195/195042/folders/145909/1282833GOBLIN1.gif

[The Joker_1000]

I agree with everything you said in that post, the Lizard episode is still the best by far. I'm hoping that the Sandman's episode next week will be able to top it. I'll be getting extra sleep next Friday so I'll be able to stay up all night & DVR the Sandman's episode.

[Web-Head]

I loved this. This episode beats even last week's. Gets a full five from me.

I loved this Shocker, I knew they would handle him well. That ending with Norman and MJ being mentioned now was all nice.

Can't wait for MJ, she'll make her first appearance in The Invisible Hand, right?

[vinny2]

We don't know when her fist appearance will be, but I hope it's soon.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I can't believe they actually said "dead" in the episode

[zeptron]

Shocker not being Herman Shultz really didn't bother me that much. It's not as bad as making Electro The Red Skull's son. That was just messed up.