The Official Superman Score & Soundtrack Thread

[GreenKToo]

Would you be happy with ottman back? or, had you rather have williams??

[Substance D]

williams. how does ottman even begin to compare? dude is a hack.

[GreenKToo]

I would prefer williams as well, but only because I think Ottman ought to concentrate on editing only.williams. how does ottman even begin to compare? dude is a hack.

[Seen]

Williams turned down composing SR. Why then would he do a sequel? Ottman is Singer's often collaborator; he'll compose SR2.

[Motown Marvel]

well, john williams is hands down the greatest film score composer of all time...so it'd be dumb not to want him....but i was totally satisfied with ottman and expect his return...its obvious singer prefers working with him, and im cool with that.

[Mentok]

Get the dude who does the music for the HALO games... That guy knows how to write some epic stuff.

[FanboyX_Returns]

williams. how does ottman even begin to compare? dude is a hack.

I agree ottman is a hack... This movie had nothing but hacks onboard... From director to actors, and writers to the person who scored the movie.
Sad the WB doesnt honor a great character like Superman with some people who have class, and know what their doing.

[Masut]

I agree ottman is a hack... This movie had nothing but hacks onboard... From director to actors, and writers to the person who scored the movie.
Sad the WB doesnt honor a great character like Superman with some people who have class, and know what their doing.

Full of love, aren't we?

I want Ottman back. His stuff was moving and I loved it.

[Mentok]

I agree ottman is a hack... This movie had nothing but hacks onboard... From director to actors, and writers to the person who scored the movie.
Sad the WB doesnt honor a great character like Superman with some people who have class, and know what their doing.

Its sad the internet is the only outlet for people like you :o

[Superfreak]

I'll go with Ottoman again. Williams, the greatest ever, turned down the job, and I feel he's gone a little down hill over the years.

Ottoman did a great job with his score. It suffers from minimal use of the Superman theme, but I think that that poor decision was coupled the fact that the film had only 2 major action sequences (one could say the film had 1 action sequence, and a number of action 'scenes')

I think Otts will do well, especially if SR2 has an increased focus on super action.

[Commander Shepard]

I want Ottman back. His stuff was moving and I loved it.


I agree.

[gimmen64]

I'll go with Ottoman again. Williams, the greatest ever, turned down the job, and I feel he's gone a little down hill over the years.

Ottoman did a great job with his score. It suffers from minimal use of the Superman theme, but I think that that poor decision was coupled the fact that the film had only 2 major action sequences (one could say the film had 1 action sequence, and a number of action 'scenes')

I think Otts will do well, especially if SR2 has an increased focus on super action.

I do have to agree, Williams is the hands down greatest composer of our time, but I loved the SR score. I'm pleased with SR and I know it will get better in the sequel. You just can't mess with what Williams did, you build on that.

[green]

Ottman...the music worked perfect IMO.

[WhatsHisFace]

Williams!

[Motown Marvel]

can someone please explain tome how ottman is a hack?

[Dan33977]

can someone please explain tome how ottman is a hack?

nope, 'cause he's not...

Anyway, I'd be fine with Williams coming to score it, but I'd rather have Ottman back.

[buggs0268]

Williams. Ottman is a hack.

[Super Kal]

I perfer Williams over Ottman... While Ottman's score sounded simlar to the original Williams score, it severly lacked the power and magnitude of the oiriginal score...

to put it bluntly, it had no backbone.

[Steelsheen]

well, john williams is hands down the greatest film score composer of all time...so it'd be dumb not to want him....but i was totally satisfied with ottman and expect his return...its obvious singer prefers working with him, and im cool with that.
somewhat satisfied with Ottman, but agree with everything you said, specially Williams :up:

[Yellow Cyclone]

def williams

ottman's use of choral's was too in your face and had the subtlety of a bear

even when williams does the obvious with vocals it just feels epic

plus the fact that he kept CUTTING THE FREAKING THEME AT THE CRESCENDO

[DogofKrypton]

The only part of the score by Ottman that I was impressed with was the "love" theme. It mixed small parts of the score from S:TM with something new.

Other than that, the "new" opening march is very weak compared to the original. Play them one after the other, it's clear as day. No power at all.

[Union Jack]

i thought all ottmans score was ok....i liked his superman theme update.

as long as the superman march is in there i'm happy.

[Kal-El 8]

I would love for John Williams to do the score for the sequel, However I doubt he'll do it, so Ottman will return . Have to say even with his little updates to John's "SUPERMAN Theme song" he didn't ruin it, In fact he improved upon it .So I really don't mind to see him return for the sequel .

[Michael Corleone]

I love how everyone claims Ottman is a hack when they were all singing his praises before the film came out. First and foremost...Ottman is not a hack. He did a great job with the music. Second...If Singer is back...so is Ottman. I don't see them changing that dynamic.

As for Williams? Good luck. He is still in high demand and he seems to be moving towards more subtle work with his scores. I don't count Indy 4 or anything else Speilberg does though because he does everything Speilberg makes. Williams is the greatest in history for me but I just don't see him coming back after all these years.

[Michael Corleone]

Other than that, the "new" opening march is very weak compared to the original. Play them one after the other, it's clear as day. No power at all.


That has more to do with the recording than the actual arangement. When Williams has conducted the theme in public it is also easy to hear.

The arangement Ottman used is shorter but for the most part is identical and Williams adviced him on said arangement. So Williams hands aren't clean either if you're disapointed with that recording.

[DogofKrypton]

That has more to do with the recording than the actual arangement. When Williams has conducted the theme in public it is also easy to hear.

The arangement Ottman used is shorter but for the most part is identical and Williams adviced him on said arangement. So Williams hands aren't clean either if you're disapointed with that recording.

No, it has nothing to do with the "recording". Ottman took out a lot of the powerful portions of the theme.

And your last statement is highly suspect, unless you know exactly what his "contribution" to the arrangement is. For all we know, he came in and said "Looks good" and left....

[Kroc1138]

WILLIAMS!!!!

[Kroc1138]

can someone please explain tome how ottman is a hack?It's a matter of opinion and Taste. I haven't Liked a single thing that Ottman has done. (including SR) Depending on my mood I might call him a Talentless hack or I might say that he is underwhelming composer.

Generally, I dislike him b/c overall his style and his signature is generic and unoriginal. His rips off of Great compoers such as Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, and Poledouris.

[Kroc1138]

I'll go with Ottoman again. Williams, the greatest ever, turned down the job, and I feel he's gone a little down hill over the years. I strongly disagree with this notion. To me his scores Today still amaze like they did when I was 4. Even more so now. (I mean both his old and new scores)

[3 Dev Adam]

Williams. Over anyone you can name.

[Dark Knight]

Would you be happy with ottman back?or had you rather have williams??

I would rather have the great John Williams any day of the week ahead of Ottman. I never thought Ottman should have hired in the first place!

[thedarks0ldier]

Ottman is OK at best, but he is definatly not a hack. His X-1 and X-2 scores did nothing for me, and all I heard during SR siunded either like Williams, or like Ottman sounding like Williams. If I could I would just have the two collaborate

[3 Dev Adam]

Ottman had nothing do to with the X-1 score. It was all Michael K-Men's fault.

[The Kid]

James Horner

[Immortalfire]

Wasn't Ottman also the editor? What's up with that :huh:

[3 Dev Adam]

James Horner

MICHAEL KAMEN!

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004U0Q3.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[blake]

He (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ELNh23yRiJc) should do the score... sorry, that's old :csad:

[3 Dev Adam]

He (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ELNh23yRiJc) should do the score... sorry, that's old :csad:

Old, no: classic! :yay:

[Kal-El Reeve]

I agree ottman is a hack... This movie had nothing but hacks onboard... From director to actors, and writers to the person who scored the movie.
Sad the WB doesnt honor a great character like Superman with some people who have class, and know what their doing.

Always the negative one. Sorry your movie wasn't made. But you still have SV

But to the topic at hand. I would love Williams to return, Ottman was good but if Williams did the score, then I think it would mindblowing

[Kal-El Reeve]

It's a matter of opinion and Taste. I haven't Liked a single thing that Ottman has done. (including SR) Depending on my mood I might call him a Talentless hack or I might say that he is underwhelming composer.

Generally, I dislike him b/c overall his style and his signature is generic and unoriginal. His rips off of Great compoers such as Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, and Poledouris.

Don't forget Barry

[Michael Corleone]

No, it has nothing to do with the "recording". Ottman took out a lot of the powerful portions of the theme.

And your last statement is highly suspect, unless you know exactly what his "contribution" to the arrangement is. For all we know, he came in and said "Looks good" and left....
Why is my last statement suspect? I have the sheet music to both scores. Much of the music is identical. Few things changed in Ottman's theme such as The strings are somewhat stronger, and the trumpet is lower. However, in Williams theme the trumpet is a very high note. I can tell you that I know several professional trumpet players and all of them cringe at that part of the theme. Not because it's bad but because Williams wrote an incredibily high note for the trumpets. Insane was the word used if I remember correctly. Ottman has a lower mid-range to his theme at the begining. You also have to take into account the difference in digital and analog recording, the recording hall and number of players in the orchestra. As for how much was he involved. Williams was interviewed and I'm taking my information from him that he was involved with rewriting his own score.

If there is a signifcant difference you want to talk about let me know which theme you are talking about. There are at least 4 different cues of the Superman theme conducted by Williams.

Look I'm not saying Ottman's score is better. I don't think that and I love Williams. However, Ottman's score of the theme is very good. It's much better than some of the other arangements I've heard from other orchestras.

[Michael Corleone]

MICHAEL KAMEN!

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004U0Q3.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Not a fan of Kamen's X-men score. Not to speak ill of the dead, but his X-men score was his reused and reagranged Mr Holland's Opus score. The Opus score is MUCH better. However, I don't know if this had to do with his health at the time or just his choice.

[Seen]

Unfortunately Michael Kamen has passed on, so he's not even an option.

[SANSHORYU]

I say bring back Williams, though I think Ottman did a more than respectable job...

[The Shredder]

Williams of course.
Ottman's score was uh, alright at best.

[3 Dev Adam]

Ottman's score would be perfect... for a Speedball movie. DTV.

[Lighthouse]

Williams....by far. No disrespect to Ottman, but Williams is probably the best composer in the business and I would take him in a heartbeat over Ottman.

[3 Dev Adam]

Not a fan of Kamen's X-men score.

No one is. Not even Bryan Singer.

[Bad Superman]

Williams work is legendary.

[romeogbs19]

Williams won't do it so Ottoman is the best alternative, and honestly, the music was the best part of the film, so def. no need to replace him.

I actually wish he kept the Love theme more intact -- that short melody homage to it during the flight scene almost sounded out of place. Then again, given the problems with the Lois-Clark-Richard relationship, may be that was intentional.

On a sidenote, Ottoman did suggest in an interview with Soundtrack.com that editing and writing music for SR was a tad too much. I wouldn't be surprised if for the sequel they bring in someone else to edit or to score. However, if budget is an issue, then Ottoman is doing both again :-)

[3 Dev Adam]

And the bad news never cease...

[romeogbs19]

And the bad news never cease...

So true, man, so true

[The Kid]

Hey guys watch apollo 13 and figure out where Ottman might have been inspired for his superman score.

ahem...

anyway Jame Horner please.

[Smegger56]

With the increasing possibilty of Bryan Singer returning to direct the sequel, and the sequel now being its own film in a way, will the theme be kept?

SR was a 'love letter' to the Donner films, and so i'm wondering will the theme be kept for the sequel, or will they write a new theme altogether?

[dodgers2213]

It probably will be kept, everyone loves that theme

having said that, they better not overuse the darn thing like in SR. I felt like it got old really fast in that awful film

[bgshw44]

you have to keep the superman theme!

[manofsteel4life]

you have to keep the superman theme!
i agree

[El Payaso]

If it's a continuation of the same franchise started by Donner, then yes (Singer or not Singer). If it's different/reboot I hope they'll have their own theme.

[El Payaso]

^ what that guy said.

lol double post

[bunk]

It probably will be kept, everyone loves that theme

having said that, they better not overuse the darn thing like in SR. I felt like it got old really fast in that awful film


It doesn't get anywhere near the use it does in the Donner movies. Mostly due to the couple of new themes Ottman added.

I'm more interested in what the visuals would be during the opening credits. More flying through space maybe?

[DanSupKP37]

They better. The Williams Superman theme is perfect. I can't imagine a theme ever topping it. I don't care how many Superman mvies get made that should be the theme.

[Jochimus]

They may as well keep it, since it's already pretty much the musical signature of the character outside of comics.

[El Payaso]

They may as well keep it, since it's already pretty much the musical signature of the character outside of comics.

Outside of the franchise, I've seen plenty of cartoons and TV series with other Superman themes.

[X-Maniac]

It could be used at one part of the movie, maybe end credits? Or some chords of it could be used briefly, evolving into new music altogether.

[Jochimus]

Outside of the franchise, I've seen plenty of cartoons and TV series with other Superman themes.

Yeah, but Williams' is the one non-comics fans are probably most familiar with.

[markaudette]

They HAVE to keep the John Williams theme forever.

They just have to.

[Nightwing1977]

They should keep it. It just scream "Superman" instead of "Donner's Superman" or "Singer's Superman" or whatever. Please keep it, WB!!

[daywalker2007]

john williams themes are the best and superior to any other super hero themes ever made.

williams superman theme will last until the end of time.

nothing can match it or ever exceed it, absolutely impossible.
its scientifically proven as well.

:oldrazz:

it doesn't matter whether its a reboot or continuation, its williams theme or nothing.

if you want to hear a crappy generic hans zimmer theme, then go elsewhere please.

superman is john williams theme and thats the end of the matter.

ps

the reason why superman returns score was a bit crap, was ottman's own themes were crap, and he didnt have the talent or capability to variate on williams superman theme.

go listen to Ken thorne's superman 2 score or Alexander courages & J williams Superman 4 score to see how to variate on the superman theme.

superman 4's score absolutely leaves stains all over the superman returns score.

ottman is an amateur compared to an alexander courage.

pitiful.

lets hope john williams can come back himself and show that hack ottman how the real master does it.

[GreenKToo]

I'd prefer they keep the williams theme no matter who directs or who stars in future films.
Nothing says Superman more to me than when I hear that classic theme.
If it wasnt in it, it would be like a new director taking on star wars and not having its theme in it.

[daywalker2007]

I'd prefer they keep the williams theme no matter who directs or who stars in future films.
Nothing says Superman more to me than when I hear that classic theme.
If it wasnt in it, it would be like a new director taking on star wars and not having its theme in it.

amen!
preach the truth brothers!

:oldrazz::oldrazz::oldrazz:

[El Payaso]

Yeah, but Williams' is the one non-comics fans are probably most familiar with.

Same happens with Elfman's Bat-theme or the 1960's TV series theme. But with a new franchise that's differentiated from the previous, it should be a different theme.

the reason why superman returns score was a bit crap, was ottman's own themes were crap, and he didnt have the talent or capability to variate on williams superman theme.

go listen to Ken thorne's superman 2 score or Alexander courages & J williams Superman 4 score to see how to variate on the superman theme.

superman 4's score absolutely leaves stains all over the superman returns score.

ottman is an amateur compared to an alexander courage.

pitiful.

lets hope john williams can come back himself and show that hack ottman how the real master does it.

In fact Ottman'¡s variations are almost better than Williams' variations. What Ottman did with the Williams' love theme was better than anything on this Superman's franchise after what Williams did.

[El Payaso]

I'd prefer they keep the williams theme no matter who directs or who stars in future films.
Nothing says Superman more to me than when I hear that classic theme.
If it wasnt in it, it would be like a new director taking on star wars and not having its theme in it.

Nobody will make a different franchise starting from scratch of Star wars since Lucas will never allow it. That's why the theme will never change.

But if they start a new franchise that's not linked in any way with the current one (Donner-Lester-Furie-Singer) they should have their own theme.

[GreenKToo]

I agree that the love theme was much better in S.R., but ( IMHO) the main Superman title theme was not.

[GreenKToo]

Nobody will make a different franchise starting from scratch of Star wars since Lucas will never allow it. That's why the theme will never change.

But if they start a new franchise that's not linked in any way with the current one (Donner-Lester-Furie-Singer) they should have their own theme.
Oh I know that, its was just an example to compare it to.

[daywalker2007]

Same happens with Elfman's Bat-theme or the 1960's TV series theme. But with a new franchise that's differentiated from the previous, it should be a different theme.



In fact Ottman'¡s variations are almost better than Williams' variations. What Ottman did with the Williams' love theme was better than anything on this Superman's franchise after what Williams did.

ottman's variations better than Williams?? are you having a laugh!? haha,
what a joke.

comparing ottman to Williams is not possible.

ottman is an amateur hack.

ottman has not get the technical ability of a Williams or a Goldsmith or even a Ken thorne.

You seriously have made a fool out of yourself with that statement!
go and ask filmscoremonthly.com and state your "ottman's variations are better than williams" line, and see how much ridicule you get.

sorry, but thats the most funniest thing i've ever heard in my life.

ottman better than williams,
lol

seriously, you don't seem to have a clue about movie scoring, judging from that ridiculous and rather laughable statement about ottman's variations being better than Williams's.

not only was ottman's variation of William's "can you read my mind" score laughable, the way he used the notes in the totally wrong way, and out of tune. Ask any professional, and they will tell you, ottman was out of his depth and his use of Williams themes was laughable, bar the direct copying of the superman march and the krypton theme.

oh dear.

:woot::woot::woot:


some expert opinions from several people to clarify things and to show why an editor and a composer of limited ability like john ottman is an overatted hack.

"Maybe I'm the only one here who feels it listening to music scores today, but the lack of formal training, presence on the podium and the advent of software and boothed composers seems to definitely have an impact on the screen result.

I liked Ottman's score for Xmen 2 as heard on CD, certainly more than Kamen's (which as we know was annihilated by commitee politics), but he's a composer of limited ability, and next to the likes of Williams, Thorne and Courage (who were all accomplished composer/conductors with decades of experience) he's not earned his stripes as far as I'm concerned. The whole "editor/composer" thing doesn't convince either. "

"A lot of people have hated his other superhero scores and this one is cut from the same cloth. "

"How about John Williams? He's still alive and is arguably as good as he's ever been. His schedule was wide open this year, was he even approached? I don't hear Ottman "modernizing" the classic Williams sound so much as I hear him doing a horrendous, incompetent impression. Any number of orchestrators could have done far better with Williams' material."

" think people (the couple of hundred who recognize Ottman's score for the turkey it is) would have been a lot happier with a skilled arranger on board like Don Davis or Joel McNeely or Michael Giacchino. Someone who knows his way around the orchestra and not an editor who also writes music. You really think Giacchino would have turned this project down? It really doesn't matter because none of these guys had a shot. The reason Ottman was brought on board is his relationship with Singer. "

"was really dissapointed in John Ottman's complete lifts of Jerry Goldsmith's music from Night Crossing. Parts with Lois on the computer had some of those Night Crossing woodwind ostinatos and I noticed some during the plane scenes toward the end of the film. I enjoyed the film but the score nearly ruined it for me with that stealing and the overuse of choir. The love theme has some real banal harmonic choices."

"My concerns about setting this film after Superman II and about composer John Ottman's inability to write affecting film music (IMHO) are well documented. "

"Even the ottmans version of Williams title music that opens and closes the film was a disappointment; the performance lacked that LSO energy, the arrangement was poor, and, bafflingly, the spotting somehow didn’t seem quite right at parts."

"Well according to the interview with Ottman over at AICN it seems he reproduced the theme from memory and then referred back to the original afterwards. That would certainly account for a poor arrangement.

John Ottman: Well, I can say in all honestly that I didn’t study it that much because I know every bar of that score by heart just from playing it seventeen million times as a kid. I did go to the score as reference sometimes to make sure what I was doing wasn’t wrong. As I was composing, I would basically just integrate the themes by ear and how I would arrange it. Then I would reference what he did and it was often very much the same because it’s a very simple theme. I was just making sure that I had covered all my bases for the march, the ‘bum-ba-da bum-ba-da.’ I basically orchestrated it and then I thought to myself ‘there can’t be anything more going on there.’ I would then of course refer back and sure enough it was pretty much similarly orchestrated.

Oh dear, Oh dear."

"From the Goldsmith lifts to the Horner lifts to the profoundly retarded adaptations of Williams' material, this score is an atrocity against film music. I put on the Williams album when I got home from the theater and it made me feel better.

It's a good thing for Ottman's sake that Williams declined the invitation to attend one of the scoring sessions because he would have been livid with what was done to his work. "



thats just a small collection, theres plenty more if required. giving props to ottman, an absolutely useless hack is not acceptable.

[Smegger56]

I must say, that while Ottman is not as good as williams, his rendition of the superman/love theme was still pretty damn good. If Ottman was replaced with Williams as composer, no one would argue.

But i felt his score was pretty good in SR.

[El Payaso]

the way he used the notes in the totally wrong way, and out of tune.

:dry:

That's why they're called variations.

And you were our expert in movie scores.

[daywalker2007]

you call taking a perfectly good theme and destroying it by playing it out of tune "variation"??

you seriously have no clue about music scoring.

[Street Vendor]

Singer can change the look, the tone and everything else. But, even if he does, I bet he keeps the theme. William's march is Superman.

[daywalker2007]

ottman is a hack who only gets work because of his mate singer.

not because of any ability or talent.

its no wonder the new superman 8 cd box set is selling like hot cakes.

people require the original great music, not ottmans substandard generic garbage.

[dark_b]

the music when superman saves lois,jason and richard from the yacht was mindblowing.it was epic. from the start to the end. i also liked the music from the elevator scene.

but he should try something new. an update or something new.

[El Payaso]

Singer can change the look, the tone and everything else. But, even if he does, I bet he keeps the theme. William's march is Superman.

Well, as long as the franchise is the same one - no matter who's directing - the theme should remain the same.

[batman44]

^Agreed.

[daywalker2007]

it was epic?

the only thing epic about the music in that scene was the superman theme being played in it.
the rest was garbage
a generic pile of crap by otman.

[batman44]

I disagree. There is things about the movie I didn't really care for, but I thought the music was pretty darn good.

[daywalker2007]

well if john otman comes back, expect more garbage.

he can't get any work,
guess singer will have to give him some work then, lol

[I Am The Knight]

As long as we get the Williams score, I'm fine. Although I wouldn't mind a completely new score for MOS, and if they decide to reboot the franchise, they should DEFINITELY go with a new score.

[bunk]

well if john otman comes back, expect more garbage.

he can't get any work,
guess singer will have to give him some work then, lol


Stop spamming.

[markaudette]

I HATED John Ottman's score. It was dreadful.

I think that John williams should be brought back for MOS. I don't care how much damn money it would cost to bring Mr. Williams back - pay it. Bring him back for the score and will give the franchise the credibility SR took away.

[daywalker2007]

Stop spamming.

get a life.

[bunk]

I HATED John Ottman's score. It was dreadful.

I think that John williams should be brought back for MOS. I don't care how much damn money it would cost to bring Mr. Williams back - pay it. Bring him back for the score and will give the franchise the credibility SR took away.

What would be the point if it were a sequel though? To create new themes in addition to the ones Ottman did... that would be overkill. If they did a reboot I'd like to see Williams come back and create a whole new sound though, that would actually make sense.

[Nightwing1977]

ottman is an amateur hack.



I disagree. Williams is a master & Ottman won't ever be good as him, but I think Ottman is fine in his own right. He don't need to be like Williams. He should be himself & I think he make fine music.



ottman has not get the technical ability of a Williams or a Goldsmith or even a Ken thorne.



True, but it don't mean he suck anyway. Why do not being like Williams or Goldsmith mean someone is a hack? That a little silly & harsh there.

And no need to be an ass to others who like his music. Ever heard of respecting someone's opinions even if you disagree with it? :oldrazz:

Also, you thought Zimmer's music in Batman Begins was generic? Again, because Zimmer isn't like Elfman you think he suck too? Maybe you're the one who don't know what you're talking on knowing about music with accusing those of one when you think Zimmer's music suck. Practice what you preach. :whatever: :whatever:



get a life.



Do you want to get banned?

[X-Maniac]

At this point, who cares!?

Let's get a movie rolling first. I honestly don't mind if they change the theme as the traditional march immediately signals nostalgia and harkens back to the Donner movies.

[KaptainKrypton]

No theme before or since has remotely come close to what Williams put on the table, in my eyes (and ears). Not Timberg, Gruska, or even the late Shirley Walker made a theme as fitting as The Master put forth. I hope this theme lasts through every single big-screen incarnation of Superman. It's like Monty Norman's James Bond theme: perfect.

[Mostpowerful]

john williams themes are the best and superior to any other super hero themes ever made.

williams superman theme will last until the end of time.

nothing can match it or ever exceed it, absolutely impossible.
its scientifically proven as well.

:oldrazz:

it doesn't matter whether its a reboot or continuation, its williams theme or nothing.

if you want to hear a crappy generic hans zimmer theme, then go elsewhere please.

superman is john williams theme and thats the end of the matter.

ps

the reason why superman returns score was a bit crap, was ottman's own themes were crap, and he didnt have the talent or capability to variate on williams superman theme.

go listen to Ken thorne's superman 2 score or Alexander courages & J williams Superman 4 score to see how to variate on the superman theme.

superman 4's score absolutely leaves stains all over the superman returns score.

ottman is an amateur compared to an alexander courage.

pitiful.

lets hope john williams can come back himself and show that hack ottman how the real master does it.

:dry: Ken Thorne destroyed the William's Superman score. His version and variations were CRAP. Besides, what variations did he really do? Not much really, it was basically the same as in STM, but done in a crappy way. The orquestra sounded so amateur, like a high school one, IMO.

Ottman did an amazing job with the score in SR. He brought a lot of soul into it. The love theme is wonderful and magical, the hospital music is again so full of soul and emotion, the music playing when Clark is watching Lois going up in the elevator is very romantic, the way the Lex's theme blends with the Superman theme during the lifting of New Krypton (the island) is awesome and powerful, the recharge music is majestic, the music on the build up to the catch of The Daily Planet's globe was exquisite, and the plane rescue music is powerful and epic, just to name a few.

[El Payaso]

:dry: Ken Thorne destroyed the William's Superman score. His version and variations were CRAP. Besides, what variations did he really did? Not much really, it was basically the same as in STM, but done in a crappy way.

Pretty much. No variations from Thorne, just same score but sounding like from a tiny batteries radio.

[markaudette]

At this point, all I care about - whether or not John Williams returns - is that the Main Title march is kept intact and largely unaltered. That is, unless John Williams tweaks it himself.

The next composer can ditch every single theme in the franchise - EXCEPT for the Main Title march. I couldn't fathom a Superman movie without it.

[bunk]

Ottman did an amazing job with the score in SR. He brought a lot of soul into it. The love theme is wonderful and magical, the hospital music is again so full of soul and emotion, the music playing when Clark is watching Lois going up in the elevator is very romantic, the way the Lex's theme blends with the Superman theme during the lifting of New Krypton (the island) is awesome and powerful, the recharge music is majestic, the music on the build up to the catch of The Daily Planet's globe was exquisite, and the plane rescue music is powerful and epic, just to name a few.

Well said. :up: Anyone who doesn't have the complete soundtrack should try to find it online if it isn't sold in stores.

[dark_b]

i forgot about the plane music.badass

[Nightwing1977]

Well said. :up: Anyone who doesn't have the complete soundtrack should try to find it online if it isn't sold in stores.

Same here. :)

[daywalker2007]

i forgot about the plane music.badass

not badass,
more like it came from ottmans ass actually.

terrible terrible music - (important note: ottman blatantly rips off of 3 other composers' work in that music sequence-go do your research to find out which ones. Some notes are nigh on carbon copies. I guess ottman loves using temp tracks since he hasn't got any talent to change them, lol)

[daywalker2007]

Pretty much. No variations from Thorne, just same score but sounding like from a tiny batteries radio.

the mix in superman 2's final sound was not done to the best quality (down to the salkinds, cutting costs and forcing a quick release)

go and listen to the complete score released in the 8 cd box set to hear the music in its fully glory, and for that matter, superman 3's and superman 4's.

you don't have a clue about sound production, nor sound quality.
that is proven from your ill judged and pretty much ridiculous comments.

[daywalker2007]

:dry: Ken Thorne destroyed the William's Superman score. His version and variations were CRAP. Besides, what variations did he really do? Not much really, it was basically the same as in STM, but done in a crappy way. The orquestra sounded so amateur, like a high school one, IMO.

Ottman did an amazing job with the score in SR. He brought a lot of soul into it. The love theme is wonderful and magical, the hospital music is again so full of soul and emotion, the music playing when Clark is watching Lois going up in the elevator is very romantic, the way the Lex's theme blends with the Superman theme during the lifting of New Krypton (the island) is awesome and powerful, the recharge music is majestic, the music on the build up to the catch of The Daily Planet's globe was exquisite, and the plane rescue music is powerful and epic, just to name a few.

the orchestra sounded amateur? what are you? an orchestra expert???
you are talking out of your backside, no surprise there to be honest, given that crap you then come out with.

Ottmans score is "amazing"??
what a load of crap. Ottman doesn't even have any classical training, nor does have the knowledge or ability to create a score. His mash up of ripping off other composers and using temp tracks is all that he can do.

Why do you think his other scores are complete cack. Why is that you never see Spielberg personally ask Ottman to do one of his scores.

Its because Ottman is an amateur useless hack, only hired by Bryan Singer because he is a friend. How sad is that?

[daywalker2007]

I disagree. Williams is a master & Ottman won't ever be good as him, but I think Ottman is fine in his own right. He don't need to be like Williams. He should be himself & I think he make fine music.



True, but it don't mean he suck anyway. Why do not being like Williams or Goldsmith mean someone is a hack? That a little silly & harsh there.

And no need to be an ass to others who like his music. Ever heard of respecting someone's opinions even if you disagree with it? :oldrazz:

Also, you thought Zimmer's music in Batman Begins was generic? Again, because Zimmer isn't like Elfman you think he suck too? Maybe you're the one who don't know what you're talking on knowing about music with accusing those of one when you think Zimmer's music suck. Practice what you preach. :whatever: :whatever:



Do you want to get banned?

listen up here mate, don't try and act tough, because are you not,

i can say what i want, if you don't like it, get a life you sad individual.
if you can't take my comments, you obviously need some help.


:pal:

[El Payaso]

Stop spamming. :)

[Showtime]

listen up here mate, don't try and act tough, because are you not,

i can say what i want, if you don't like it, get a life you sad individual.
if you can't take my comments, you obviously need some help.


:pal:

Guess what..."mate"? You may be the Prince of Wales in the "real world", but here I am the only one who gets to act "tough".

[The War Machine]

An SR sequel will keep the Williams theme (for sure)..

A reboot most definately will not (Similar to how the Burton theme was ditched for BB).

[Mostpowerful]

Stop spamming. :)

:up:

[Nightwing1977]

listen up here mate, don't try and act tough, because are you not,

i can say what i want, if you don't like it, get a life you sad individual.
if you can't take my comments, you obviously need some help.


:pal:

When has I ever try to act tough? Nowhere did I try to. I know you're not so tough though....mate.

And you can say what you want? Not if the mod has the last saying. Beside, you're trying to shove your belief down other throat with saying to almost everyone that Ottman suck & what not. If people think he is good, leave them alone. They have the right to say that, since it not breaking the rules. You on the other hands not doing that. If you think you have the right to say what you want, why those who like Ottman don't? Especially with how you keep telling them he suck & all. That sound like spamming & trolling. Better stop or you will regret it.

And I have a life, thank you. I think making big deal about those who like what you don't mean you need a life....big time. :funny: :funny:

[markaudette]

Back to the thread. Okay guys?

We are all gentlemen and gentleladies here.

I vote to rehire John Williams. And at the very least keep his LEGENDARY Main Title March.

[Darkknight2099]

Guess what..."mate"? You may be the Prince of Wales in the "real world", but here I am the only one who gets to act "tough".

:hehe::hehe::hehe: You tell 'em Showtime!

DK2099

[Lightning54SC]

personally id like to see williams say that he'd like to come back along with Donner ( as a co director) or (producer) and dedicate the film to Chris Reeve and make the best film they can or ever did with singer seeing how we cant dump him

[antonydelfini]

If it's a reboot, I believe we need a new theme, to not confuse the audience whether the movie's a reboot or a sequel.

[griffolyon12]

If it's a continuation of the same franchise started by Donner, then yes (Singer or not Singer). If it's different/reboot I hope they'll have their own theme.
I completely agree. I love the John William's Superman Theme, but whenever WB decides to leave the universe created by Donner in '78 then the theme should go with it, kind of like how Danny Elfman's Batman Theme went away after they stopped doing Batman in Tim Burton's universe. It will be hard to watch a Superman film without that theme, but at the same time for the franchise to ever truly move forward I feel that all ties with the Donner universe must be cut in order for Superman to survive, plus what may of sounded good with one version of the character may not necessarily sound good with a different version ( a perfect example is watching scenes from BB with the Elfman theme behind it, it just feels awkward and out of place in Nolan's Batman universe).

[griffolyon12]

If it's a reboot, I believe we need a new theme, to not confuse the audience whether the movie's a reboot or a sequel.
Agreed.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In my opinion it wouldn't be a real reboot if the theme stayed.

[I Am The Knight]

In my opinion it wouldn't be a real reboot if the theme stayed.

It would be distracting. For me: Reboot = New Orginal Score.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Alot of people seem to disagree with us.

[DavidTyler]

No. I agree with some other posters that we need a whole new score. We need to completely break with what has gone before and have a fresh new start.

It's working very well for Batman. It will do the same for Superman.

Batman is now closer to source (-the current comix - not the comix of the 1960's) than he's ever been in live-action. If some intelligent director were to do some serious research and study where Supes has been for the past 20 years, they could probably bring a Supes to the screen that would appeal to modern audiences

and that change would call for new soundtrack and musical themes.

[Godman]

With the increasing possibilty of Bryan Singer returning to direct the sequel, and the sequel now being its own film in a way, will the theme be kept?

SR was a 'love letter' to the Donner films, and so i'm wondering will the theme be kept for the sequel, or will they write a new theme altogether?

When i say REBOOT, I mean REBOOT...Hans Zimmer

[Smegger56]

When i say REBOOT, I mean REBOOT...Hans Zimmer

SEQUEL likely happening. Williams theme kept or new theme happening for SEQUEL.

[Godman]

SEQUEL likely happening. Williams theme kept or new theme happening for SEQUEL.

Second failure coming up...They really are trying to kill Superman huh??? Forget Doomsday. Singer is the guy to do the murder

[Smegger56]

Second failure coming up...They really are trying to kill Superman huh??? Forget Doomsday. Singer is the guy to do the murder

I can't wait for the SEQUEL. Really can't.

You don't like SR... thats fine. But by the looks of things, it's happening with Singer.

I liked SR, thought it was really good. Not great, but good.

Anyway, this thread isn't about a REBOOT or SEQUEL. It's about will the Williams theme be kept for the sequel to SR that is likely to happen, and with Singer at the helm.

[Godman]

I can't wait for the SEQUEL. Really can't.

You don't like SR... thats fine. But by the looks of things, it's happening with Singer.

I liked SR, thought it was really good. Not great, but good.

Anyway, this thread isn't about a REBOOT or SEQUEL. It's about will the Williams theme be kept for the sequel to SR that is likely to happen, and with Singer at the helm.

bagh I hate Bryan Singer

[Smegger56]

bagh I hate Bryan Singer

Thats fine. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Godman]

Thats fine. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

According to the topic, yea, they should use the same theme if it's a continuation since the idiots have decided that the atrocity continues then it's only logic

[wiegeabo]

At this point, all I care about - whether or not John Williams returns - is that the Main Title march is kept intact and largely unaltered. That is, unless John Williams tweaks it himself.

The next composer can ditch every single theme in the franchise - EXCEPT for the Main Title march. I couldn't fathom a Superman movie without it.

:up:

Honestly, I don't know what it is, but I have no problem with with Elfman's theme not showing up in Begins. But I can't stand the thought of Williams' theme not starting MOS. It wouldn't even be enough for me if the theme showed up at the end and we got those famous notes throughout the film.

Whoever scores MOS can do whatever they want with the rest of the film, but I need that theme right up front.

[I Am The Knight]

Well the Elfman theme in BB would've confused people, and just be hella weird to have in that movie. I don't think it fits with Nolan's world....

[Godman]

Well the Elfman theme in BB would've confused people, and just be hella weird to have in that movie. I don't think it fits with Nolan's world....

I second that. I liked what they had in begins and as Zimmer explained that the hero hadn't earned a MAIN theme song yet until The Dark Knight

[I Am The Knight]

I second that. I liked what they had in begins and as Zimmer explained that the hero hadn't earned a MAIN theme song yet until The Dark Knight

Yup. And yet in the TDK trailer the same music was used. I wonder if we'll get that new main theme on a second trailer?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I liked the Begins music also.

[griffolyon12]

Yup. And yet in the TDK trailer the same music was used. I wonder if we'll get that new main theme on a second trailer?
I think that is the new theme, because he said that it showed up at the very end of BB, which that particular theme did. Yes he will flesh it out some more and do more variations to it, but I seriously think the music in the trailer is the new Batman theme. I personally love it, I always find myself humming that particular tune.

[Godman]

Yup. And yet in the TDK trailer the same music was used. I wonder if we'll get that new main theme on a second trailer?

The Begins music was themesque he's just probably gonna flesh it out and not differ too much. i shouldn't have a problem with that.

[Angeloz]

Does that mean people want the next Superman film to have the "Batman Begins" theme if they like it so much? ;) :D

Angeloz

[I Am The Knight]

OK. It´s just that I always intrepreted that statement as him making a completely new theme for TDK. No worries.

[Angeloz]

OK. It´s just that I always intrepreted that statement as him making a completely new theme for TDK. No worries.

On the Superman Board? Although he'd probably be great if his track record is anything to go by i.e. John Williams. :)

Angeloz

[KELLEL]

NO ONE WILL EVER TOP WILLIAMS' SUPERMAN THEME!!!!!! Why even bother? It's ICONIC. Like what Danny Elfman's Batman theme was for Batman (Zimmer and the othet composers can't hold a candle to Elfman and Walker's batman theme, sorry).

John Ottman perfected John Williams' Superman theme.

They MUST keep it.

[Sawyer]

Williams' theme is just so iconic. I say keep it.

[dr collossus]

I can't believe this is even being called into question...

[Nightwing1977]

Williams' theme is just so iconic. I say keep it.

Same here. It should be use in any future Superman films. Sequels or reboot. It just scream "Superman". :word:

[batman44]

Once again, I say keep the Williams theme with SR sequels. Whenever a reboot happens, lets get something new.

[I Am The Knight]

TO NIGHTWING1977:

I disagree. A reboot should be as far away from the current continuity as possible.

[Stalker1138]

Keep all the themes; Superman theme, Leaving Home, Krypton, etc. I even like some of Ottman's themes.

The Superman theme is one of the greatest themes of all time. Williams is a master.

[dr collossus]

I disagree. A reboot should be as far away from the current continuity as possible.

A reboot can do this, and still keep the theme.

[I Am The Knight]

A reboot can do this, and still keep the theme.

Sure, it can, but I don't think it should.

[Visionary]

Yeah, the theme music was iconic, because it wasn't created by Singer's camp. Now, if only we could get a Superman film that's equally iconic. May I suggest Superman vs. Darkseid.

[Godman]

NO ONE WILL EVER TOP WILLIAMS' SUPERMAN THEME!!!!!! Why even bother? It's ICONIC. Like what Danny Elfman's Batman theme was for Batman (Zimmer and the othet composers can't hold a candle to Elfman and Walker's batman theme, sorry).

John Ottman perfected John Williams' Superman theme.

They MUST keep it.

Wrong, Zimmer did hold the torch because elfman wouldn't suit the new non campy Batman movie. Tim Burton was great just added his brooding camp to the Bats with a lot of darkness which needed elfman who balances that where as BB is more demanding,a more filmesque serious type movie.

Williams is good but his score is out dated and we need a more sutle non over the top style in this new era. That era was the cheesy hero chest sticking out style, but these days we get deep into the character and need a more "cool" thing to movies which SR didnt have. They shoulda used an updated music

[KobiKai]

If it is going to be a complete reboot then IMO it should be the classic music not an updated version but the original, superman can't pull off the coolness of Batman and he hasn't got the personality of Spiderman. If something works don't fix it

[dark_b]

i think its very funny that tehre are people here who think that the reboot should have the same music.
TF music was very good.

[dr collossus]

Wrong, Zimmer did hold the torch because elfman wouldn't suit the new non campy Batman movie. Tim Burton was great just added his brooding camp to the Bats with a lot of darkness which needed elfman who balances that where as BB is more demanding,a more filmesque serious type movie.

Williams is good but his score is out dated and we need a more sutle non over the top style in this new era. That era was the cheesy hero chest sticking out style, but these days we get deep into the character and need a more "cool" thing to movies which SR didnt have. They shoulda used an updated music

I think the point of Superman is to maintain this sort of hero when all the rest are changing and the world is changing with them. Let the other heroes become updated, darker, broodier versions of themselves. Superman should always remain the classic hero, and this can be done in a modern movie very easily.

[Godman]

I think the point of Superman is to maintain this sort of hero when all the rest are changing and the world is changing with them. Let the other heroes become updated, darker, broodier versions of themselves. Superman should always remain the classic hero, and this can be done in a modern movie very easily.

You need a super visionary and the only way that classic heroes can fit in our modern "harsh" times is if they choose to make it deliberately classic. Superman does not fit here today cause it just feels corny and stupid. They need to make it feel like a 1940 era type movie like "Sky Captain and the world of tomorrow". That is the only way superman will be its own movie and its own feel. We need that

[Dark Knight]

They need to have John Williams do the theme and score for the sequel IMO.

Hope he would add some new variations to the score and soundtrack as well.

That would be sweet! Get rid of Ottman....just bring in the MAN himself!

[Billy Batson]

Keep all the themes; Superman theme, Leaving Home, Krypton, etc. I even like some of Ottman's themes.

The Superman theme is one of the greatest themes of all time. Williams is a master.

Yeah! what he said. :up:

arD4ahHZft0

[Steyin]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.

[KobiKai]

Convenient this information, that's all I'll say

[superbaby]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.
make sure your friend at least have gotten the down payment first. :cwink:

it's just too funny. the script has not done. how to work on the score to suit the feel of the movie?

[Steyin]

make sure your friend at least have gotten the down payment first. :cwink:

it's just too funny. the script has not done. how to work on the score to suit the feel of the movie?

Thats a good question. I have a feeling that the first few meetings will be solely discussions and legal stuff, but he is definitely working on MoS. I'll keep pestering my partner for more info :cwink:

[superbaby]

Thats a good question. I have a feeling that the first few meetings will be solely discussions and legal stuff, but he is definitely working on MoS. I'll keep pestering my partner for more info :cwink:
then, good luck to your friend.

[Dark Knight]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.



Lets hope it happens!

[dark_b]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.this is not a funny joke IMO.

[Showtime]

Well I don't want to throw any more gasoline on the fire, but this actually might have some legs to it.

[bgshw44]

wow! i mean, wow!!

[Showtime]

I am not sure who that poster is, but I was just talking about this with my buddy Jamie of Screenrant.com on Friday night, telling him I had some info that Williams might be talking to Singer/WB, and then I found a poster talking about it when I was searching for some info on Williams doing Xmen. So this is interesting.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Pampers, Huggies, whatever...Internet nerds across the globe will need to be wearing diapers if this Williams story is true...

[bgshw44]

Pampers, Huggies, whatever...Internet nerds across the globe will need to be wearing diapers if this Williams story is true...

agreed. i had no problem with the score to be honest, but this is JOHN WILLIAMS, and i think it would be very symbolic about the direction of this movie imo

[Dark Knight]

I am not sure who that poster is, but I was just talking about this with my buddy Jamie of Screenrant.com on Friday night, telling him I had some info that Williams might be talking to Singer/WB, and then I found a poster talking about it when I was searching for some info on Williams doing Xmen. So this is interesting.


Like I said before WB's or Singer need to just get the MAN himself for the sequel MOS. Lets hope it happens...cross fingers..

[Dark Knight]

Hey Show,

Now we just need to hear that MOS will be filming in 2009....and a new visual style will be used compared to SR with great flight, action and fight scenes and with Superman villains we haven't seen before onscreen.....with or without Singer as the director. :oldrazz:

[FilmNerdJamie]

I love John Ottman's Returns score. But nothing beats the Williams. Again, ladies and germs, this has yet to be confirmed...

[tekcopedis]

I think the the themes should be keeped, but add new themes for new things.

The difference between this and Batman, is that we did not have a proper Batman movie until Begins. The Elfman theme was so full of Burton it that it just cannot become its own thing and the Jol films score was based after toys and flash.

Ironically for all its dryness and mood, people just naturally get pumped up for Nolan's score and scream THAT IS BATMAN!

However, Williams nailed on the head in his themes what Superman is all about. Therefore, there is no need to change it.

:brucebat:

[Steyin]

I talked to my source again and supposedly they are working with the London Symphony Orchestra also.

[Dark Knight]

I talked to my source again and supposedly they are working with the London Symphony Orchestra also.


Cool, just as long as Williams is the official musical score composer instead of Ottman then all is well.

If true...then I can't wait to see what kind of additions and variations Williams will add to his original Superman score.

[gimmen64]

I talked to my source again and supposedly they are working with the London Symphony Orchestra also.

Wow. Little pieces of information get me so excited. My wife said my face was with a big smile while the Superman Theme began in SR. Williams is amazing and the London Symphony Orchestra is the best in the world.

[batman44]

Does Williams work with anyone that's not Spielberg right now?

[Nightwing1977]

Does Williams work with anyone that's not Spielberg right now?

George Lucas, anyone? ;)

[Steyin]

Wow. Little pieces of information get me so excited. My wife said my face was with a big smile while the Superman Theme began in SR. Williams is amazing and the London Symphony Orchestra is the best in the world.

I admit, I actually cried a little upon hearing that theme again in a good few years.

[I Am The Knight]

This is great info. Hope it comes to fruition. If Williams is involved on the Superman score again we may have something special in store for us....

[verisimilitude]

Hey everyone, I'm verisimilitude! I'm new but I've actually been on the threads for years. I decided to join today especially to comment on the rumours that John Williams may be scoring MOS.

Oh please Lord, let it happen!

If John Williams can go back to Star Wars, Jurassic Park, and now even Indiana Jones. . .why not superman?

And just for the record, STM was the best superman film to date, SR was good, unlike some people I don't hate it, but I believe it could have been much better.

Here's hoping for a fantastic MOS!!!

<<V>>

[Showtime]

I talked to my source again and supposedly they are working with the London Symphony Orchestra also.

Hmmm...

[Mostpowerful]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.

I hope this is true.. that the sequel is moving forward.

Please, God, let it be true!

Pampers, Huggies, whatever...Internet nerds across the globe will need to be wearing diapers if this Williams story is true...

I am fine with either Williams or Ottman.

I love the SR score.

Hmmm...

Hmmm?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yay! This assures me that we are never going to see a different version of Superman on the bigscreen. Yay! I can't wait till Zod makes and appearence and Lois becomes a stripper after being fired from The Daily Planet! Oh joy, rapture!

[Showtime]

You'll never see Zod, but Lois as a stripper is interesting.

[Mostpowerful]

^^You already saw that (Lois as a stripper........sadly) in Smallville!! haha..

[I Am The Knight]

^^You already saw that (sadly) in Smallville!! haha..

LOL! I don't watch Smallville (but not for lack of trying, ugh) but can I find that in Youtube, somewhere? that sounds like a riot. :grin:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You'll never see Zod, but Lois as a stripper is interesting.You would think that.:oldrazz:

[Mostpowerful]

LOL! I don't watch Smallville (but not for lack of trying, ugh) but can I find that in Youtube, somewhere? that sounds like a riot. :grin:

:grin: Yeah, ridiculous, isn't it? But I don't know the name of the epi (not a big fan of the show, lol). But I'm sure that if you ask Phil he'll know for sure! ... :oldrazz:

[Showtime]

You would think that.:oldrazz:

:Naughty Show:

[Nightwing1977]

:Naughty Show:

Count me in too here.

:Naughty Nightwing: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/blackeye/deal.gif

[Mostpowerful]

Who says she doesn't do it in private for Clarky? ... :oldrazz:












And viceversa...

[tekcopedis]

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Your not missing much. :whatever:

[I Am The Knight]

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Your not missing much. :whatever:

...

Welling's expression is priceless. I wonder what wild series of events led to this? :grin:

[Showtime]

My thesis partner's friend, whom worked on TDK score, will be working on the MoS score, or at least the beginning of it, in a month or so. He says that he is working with John Williams, and all the info I've gotten from this guy has been legit, hell I almost got to speak with Hans Zimmer on the phone. With this info, it seems MoS is moving forward, and JL will be inevitably scrapped.

Well I don't want to throw any more gasoline on the fire, but this actually might have some legs to it.

John Williams to Score "Half-Blood Prince?"


The Boston Globe is reporting (http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2008/05/17/the_music_indy_runs_on/)

Williams, now 76, was conductor of the Pops from 1980 to 1993. According to industry reports, he remains a busy man, with soundtracks for "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," "Jurassic Park IV," and "Superman: Man of Steel" all scheduled for his touch.

[bgshw44]

amazing!

[I Am The Knight]

The Boston Globe is reporting

Williams, now 76, was conductor of the Pops from 1980 to 1993. According to industry reports, he remains a busy man, with soundtracks for "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," "Jurassic Park IV," and "Superman: Man of Steel" all scheduled for his touch.

WOW. :wow: Great find Showtime!

[batman44]

Wow!!

[TheComicbookKid]

Jurassic Park IV????!!!

JPIV:Leave those damn dinosaurs alone.

[Mr. Socko]

John William's theme is like pancakes. And the world just wouldn't be as good without pancakes:heart:

[Mostpowerful]

WOW!! :grin:

Sounds great!! I don't know if you believe in God or not, but please let's pray that the sequel happens and very soon! Brandon deserves another chance at the role, IMO. He was a great Superman.

Great find, Show! :heart:

[El Payaso]

I tend to believe that John Williams' involvment with MoS is to get a big juicy check only.

[dark_b]

i dont belive that he will be working on teh music. and now? the script is nto even finished. why would they now already know that eh will be scoring the music?

plus what about ottman? i dont remember a lot of complaining about the music.

[Showtime]

Well if this is indeed true he would just be having preliminary meetings at this point.

[AragornKing1]

Now we just need to know who the villains will be.:cwink:

[Steyin]

Nice find Showtime, thanks for backing up my info :yay:

[Ita-KalEl]

Another sign that the sequel will happen. Good.
At this point we need only the official announcement at the ComiCon.

[Ultimate_Superman]

At this point at Comic-Con I am expecting to here that the script is done and they are now doing casting for the movie.

[Dark Knight]

John Williams to Score "Half-Blood Prince?"

The Boston Globe is reporting

Williams, now 76, was conductor of the Pops from 1980 to 1993. According to industry reports, he remains a busy man, with soundtracks for "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," "Jurassic Park IV," and "Superman: Man of Steel" all scheduled for his touch.




NICE!

Can't wait to see what new themes Williams will bring to the table for MOS.

[Dark Knight]

Another thing MOS will need is better MARKETING. The marketing was weak but maybe because it was lacking a big time villain. I also think the one sheets and posters were very poorly done with no visual imagination or creativity. Just shows Routh in a weird pose flying?? Very bland and weak....the same happened with the covers for the DVD's....just the bad flying pose and weak. Has to be better iconic images of Superman than that.

[FlawlessVictory]

Another thing MOS will need is better MARKETING.

The marketing was fine. SR was everywhere when that movie came out. The problem was, there was really nothing worth marketing for that movie.

The marketing was weak but maybe because it was lacking a big time villain.

Bingo.

I also think the one sheets and posters were very poorly done with no visual imagination or creativity. Just shows Routh in a weird pose flying?? Very bland and weak.

Very fitting since that's exactly what the movie was.

[nintendo nerd]

yes. SR was everywhere, but IMO most of it was crap. The poster didn't attract the audiences attention.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The marketing wasn't the problem.

[gimmen64]

The problem was that the movie was good not great. It didn't know if it was a reboot or a sequel. That turned off a lot of people.

[Dark Knight]

The marketing wasn't the problem.


No the marketing wasn't THE problem....only part of the problem.

SR was good but not great and what WAS the main problem is that Supes didn't have a big time villain to have super big time fights with.

The the suit was also below average.

[dark_b]

i dont belive that the marketing was the problem. i think the problem was that the plane sequence was the only thing that you could market and get people in the theater.
after 4 years a slow motion bullet wont ''woow'' people.

[Dark Knight]

i dont belive that the marketing was the problem. i think the problem was that the plane sequence was the only thing that you could market and get people in the theater.
after 4 years a slow motion bullet wont ''woow'' people.



Agreed....like I said I think the marketing was only part of the problem.

I mean the one sheets and posters and covers for the DVD's and the fast food chains had Routh in horrible goofy looking poses.....not ICONIC ones.

[daywalker2007]

well holy moly!

if williams is coming back for mos, then its great news

lets be honest, if there is a choice between john ottman and john williams,
we all know john williams is the only choice.

imagine MOS with williams putting the krypton theme back in, and with a proper villian!

lets hope this is true,

maybe williams wants to revisit his favourite score for one final time,
maybe it truly will happen.

you can't blame williams,
he himself said that the original superman score is his favourite piece of work.

lets hope he comes back.

[NiteMare Shape]

well holy moly!

if williams is coming back for mos, then its great news

lets be honest, if there is a choice between john ottman and john williams,
we all know john williams is the only choice.

imagine MOS with williams putting the krypton theme back in, and with a proper villian!

lets hope this is true,

maybe williams wants to revisit his favourite score for one final time,
maybe it truly will happen.

you can't blame williams,
he himself said that the original superman score is his favourite piece of work.

lets hope he comes back.

Absolutely.

And with the sequel, WB just needs to do a better overall job, period.

Granted, I liked SR...but I can see that there were problems with how it was handled overall

[AragornKing1]

I don't know how reliable Jett from BatmanOnFilm is but I asked him on MySpace if he knew who the villains will be in the sequel. He said, and I quote, "Brainiac and Lex." Those were his exact quotes. He said that from the latest pitch details that's what he heard. And he said that Infamous_Emijayne is full of **** and to not listen to her when I told Jett about Doomsday being pitched to WB according to her. What do you guys think?:huh:

[AragornKing1]

The Boston Globe is reporting

Williams, now 76, was conductor of the Pops from 1980 to 1993. According to industry reports, he remains a busy man, with soundtracks for "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," "Jurassic Park IV," and "Superman: Man of Steel" all scheduled for his touch.




NICE!

Can't wait to see what new themes Williams will bring to the table for MOS.

I hope that it is true, but how reliable is the Boston Globe? Did they ask John Williams personally? I hope so.

[NiteMare Shape]

I hope that it is true, but how reliable is the Boston Globe? Did they ask John Williams personally? I hope so.

Living just north of Boston, I can tell you that the Globe is pretty reliable for the most part...

Now, if it were the Harold...might wanna check for more sources

[AragornKing1]

Living just north of Boston, I can tell you that the Globe is pretty reliable for the most part...

Now, if it were the Harold...might wanna check for more sources

Well, that's good. Then it must be true.:woot:

[Showtime]

I don't know how reliable Jett from BatmanOnFilm is but I asked him on MySpace if he knew who the villains will be in the sequel. He said, and I quote, "Brainiac and Lex." Those were his exact quotes. He said that from the latest pitch details that's what he heard. And he said that Infamous_Emijayne is full of **** and to not listen to her when I told Jett about Doomsday being pitched to WB according to her. What do you guys think?:huh:

Lex and Brainiac were the two villians pitched originally by Bryan & Mike, so it isn't hard to believe they might still be going in that direction. In regards to Jayne and Doomsday, no comment.

[AragornKing1]

Lex and Brainiac were the two villians pitched originally by Bryan & Mike, so it isn't hard to believe they might still be going in that direction. In regards to Jayne and Doomsday, no comment.

That's cool. Thanks Showtime. I guess maybe WB doesn't have anything against having Lex and Brainiac in the sequel. I guess it was the story that Mike and Bryan were going for that WB didn't care for. Who knows. And yeah, I don't trust Jayne anymore. She even said that WB is going to do the sequel, but is saying that the idea for the reboot has a script treatment with storyboards being worked on, and that it's months ahead of MOS. She just seems that desperate, and keeps lying to herself, for a sequel to Superman Returns happening that she'll say anything.

[AragornKing1]

Lex and Brainiac were the two villians pitched originally by Bryan & Mike, so it isn't hard to believe they might still be going in that direction. In regards to Jayne and Doomsday, no comment.


You know Show, I don't find it possible that you and Jett, who are more reliable than Jayne obviously, didn't hear anything on Doomsday being in the sequel. Only Jayne reported that out of nowhere. Only Brainiac and Darkseid were pitched, correct? I really think Jayne is full of ****.

[dark_b]

well holy moly!

if williams is coming back for mos, then its great news

lets be honest, if there is a choice between john ottman and john williams,
we all know john williams is the only choice.

imagine MOS with williams putting the krypton theme back in, and with a proper villian!

lets hope this is true,

maybe williams wants to revisit his favourite score for one final time,
maybe it truly will happen.

you can't blame williams,
he himself said that the original superman score is his favourite piece of work.

lets hope he comes back.i liked ottmans music. SR already had a to big budget. i would take ottman because he is cheaper. williams music wont bring milions at the BO.

[Showtime]

That's cool. Thanks Showtime. I guess maybe WB doesn't have anything against having Lex and Brainiac in the sequel. I guess it was the story that Mike and Bryan were going for that WB didn't care for. Who knows. And yeah, I don't trust Jayne anymore. She even said that WB is going to do the sequel, but is saying that the idea for the reboot has a script treatment with storyboards being worked on, and that it's months ahead of MOS. She just seems that desperate, and keeps lying to herself, for a sequel to Superman Returns happening that she'll say anything.

Might have been the direction Bryan, Mike, and Dan were taking a Brainiac/Lex villian tandem that WB didn't care for. Who knows what goes on in these pitch meetings.

Again, I'm not going to comment on Jayne, but that reboot script she refers to is something her husband is working on I believe.

You know Show, I don't find it possible that you and Jett, who are more reliable than Jayne obviously, didn't hear anything on Doomsday being in the sequel. Only Jayne reported that out of nowhere. Only Brainiac and Darkseid were pitched, correct? I really think Jayne is full of ****.

What I heard was Brainiac/Lex in the first pitch and then a 2nd pitch involved Darkseid which was later confirmed by Rob @ IESB.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Never doubt the Show or Jett. :cwink:

[I Am The Knight]

You know Show, I don't find it possible that you and Jett, who are more reliable than Jayne obviously, didn't hear anything on Doomsday being in the sequel. Only Jayne reported that out of nowhere. Only Brainiac and Darkseid were pitched, correct? I really think Jayne is full of ****.

You do? Me too. She's always been kind of a loony. :yay:

[Mostpowerful]

You do? Me too. She's always been kind of a loony. :yay:

:word: Word.

[Mostpowerful]

Never doubt the Show or Jett. :cwink:

or the Iris?

[I Am The Knight]

or the Iris?

That one too. :cwink:

[SatEL]

That theme was to good for this movie, WB should keep it until the real superman takes a stand.

[I Am The Knight]

That theme was to good for this movie, WB should keep it until the real superman takes a stand.

You mean "never"? Superman is not "real" after all. Oh, they lied about Santa too BTW...I hope you are mature enough to hear this news... :cwink:

[SatEL]

You mean "never"? Superman is not "real" after all. Oh, they lied about Santa too BTW...I hope you are mature enough to hear this news... :cwink:

:huh::huh: WTF you talking about of course Superman is real and well Santa is my uncle so your really kidding no one.

[I Am The Knight]

:huh::huh: WTF you talking about of course Superman is real and well Santa is my uncle so your really kidding no one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Coccyzus-americanus-001.jpg/240px-

[SatEL]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Coccyzus-americanus-001.jpg/240px-


Is this picture meant to the the initiation of a mating ritual, if so sorry to dissapoint but I am strictly into women, no men for me.:yay:

[I Am The Knight]

Is this picture meant to the the initiation of a mating ritual, if so sorry to dissapoint but I am strictly into women, no men for me.:yay:

:hehe: No, it's something else entirely...But I dare not say. All will be revealed...In time. :word:

[SatEL]

:hehe: No, it's something else entirely...But I dare not say. All will be revealed...In time. :word:

What the fact that your cuckoo for me? Now your just scaring me.:csad:

[AragornKing1]

Might have been the direction Bryan, Mike, and Dan were taking a Brainiac/Lex villian tandem that WB didn't care for. Who knows what goes on in these pitch meetings.

Again, I'm not going to comment on Jayne, but that reboot script she refers to is something her husband is working on I believe.



What I heard was Brainiac/Lex in the first pitch and then a 2nd pitch involved Darkseid which was later confirmed by Rob @ IESB.

Jayne's husband is working on the reboot script? He's not a Hollywood screenwriter is he? Either way he's wasting his time.

[I Am The Knight]

What the fact that your cuckoo for me? Now your just scaring me.:csad:

I see that you can use the internet. Good! :oldrazz:

[nintendo nerd]

That theme was to good for this movie, WB should keep it until the real superman takes a stand.

This movie had the theme, because it was in the "Donnerverse". If there's a reboot or a different franchise there won't be William's theme.

[Showtime]

or the Iris?

She's above Show and Jett. :cwink:

[AragornKing1]

She's above Show and Jett. :cwink:

What has Iris heard on the sequel, Show?:woot:

[FilmNerdJamie]

What has Iris heard on the sequel, Show?:woot:

Stuff. :cwink:

[AragornKing1]

Stuff. :cwink:

Ok, ok, cool. :cwink:

[daywalker2007]

i liked ottmans music. SR already had a to big budget. i would take ottman because he is cheaper. williams music wont bring milions at the BO.

while Williams is obviously more expensive (and rightly so),
better music does have an effect on the overall vision of the film and leaves a better overall impression for years to come.

for example, a lot of the music which Ottman created for Superman Returns (i'm talking about Ottman's own new themes), they were quite bland, generic and pretty boring, which is not a surprise since Ottman has never been adept at creating memorable themes or themes which have actual substance to them.

The only themes that worked in Returns were the ones that Williams had originally composed such as the Superman march, planet krypton and the can you read my mind theme.

If you listen to the Plane sequence music, a lot of it just sounds boring and quite bland, lacking energy and barely gave any excitement. The only excitement comes from the few seconds of hearing the superman march in several places.

Ottman should have taken Ken Thorne's approach from Superman 2, where Ken Thorne took every John William's piece of score and created many variations of the themes, resulting in an epic score with grandeur and quality.

Even in Superman 3 where Ken Thorne was given more freedom to compose his own new themes, he still used mostly William's themes since they were so perfect for the character of Superman. Just listen to the music in the Junkyard fight from superman 3. Its menacing, epic and truly amazing.

Now imagine that same music being played with Brandon Routh as superman facing off against a super villian!!
it will be truly epic and will bring in the crowds like never before.

That is one of the great things about great music themes, they always remain perfect, and WB should pay top dollar to bring back Williams.

They have to go all out for this next superman movie, and bringing Williams back would surely please many people.

If i want to hear some crappy themes, there are plenty of movies available like Fantastic four, iron man etc. Coincidentally, Ottman composed both scores for the Fantastic four movies and did he create anything memorable??? nope, zilch, nothing at all. Its no wonder really. He is an overrated hack who only got the job because he is Singer's best friend.

Williams or nothing for MOS.
Just like Williams or nothing for Star wars, it should always be Williams or nothing for Superman's themes.
The original is best, Accept no substitutes!!!

[dark_b]

well i liked ottmans music. i like the music where superman lifhts the yacht out of the watter. r when he changes in hte elevator. this is not williams right?

[Dark Knight]

well i liked ottmans music. i like the music where superman lifhts the yacht out of the watter. r when he changes in hte elevator. this is not williams right?



After thinking about it...I think Ottman did an average job....at time I thought it was un balanced but he did add a good couple of tracks to the emotional scenes....instead of relying on the main theme throughout the film. But he didn't do anything memorable IMO. Maybe Ottman and Williams can collaborate....if not...they should just get Williams..

[dark_b]

there are huge problems wit hSR 2 year later. but music was never a problem. i have the OST at home. and belive it or not after 2 years every month i listen to the music. IMO it is really good. i like the elevetar and the yacht music.

[gimmen64]

There was no problem with Ottman's music, it was the conductor and orchestra. It was no London Symphony Orchestra but it was way better than Ken Thorne's arrangements as he torn up Williams' work by taking it into another key and chopping it up horribly, the score for Superman IV was way better than anything Thorne did and that was on a reduced budget. Superman was a great piece of work but I think Williams best work is Jurassic Park.

[Spider-Bat]

Since singer's ripped everything else off from the Donner film he might aswell keep the theme. I want it back 'cause it's the best and only Super theme for me.

just don't keep Singer.

[Clark Kent]

Jayne's husband is working on the reboot script? He's not a Hollywood screenwriter is he? Either way he's wasting his time.

I'm not Jayne's husband, but I am working on my own reboot script, :(.

If there's a reboot or a different franchise there won't be William's theme.

Not THAT theme anyway.

She's above Show and Jett. :cwink:

Who's the Iris?

it should always be Williams or nothing for Superman's themes.
The original is best, Accept no substitutes!!!

it's the best and only Super theme for me.

If they reboot the franchise, do you think that they should hire Williams again to create a new theme?