Venom Revamp

[DCnightwing23]

Hey guys well im started this thread cause i really feel that the animators arent gonna do the Venom character justice, im so used to the Venom from spiderman:TAS with the shades of red and dark blue on the symbiote. But now in this series the Venom character looks so plain and boring, and the toy looks like the bane toy from The Batman. Venom in this series is so plain and his symbiote is just gray! isnt the symbiote supposed to be black? the character looks boring.

Well lets see what you guys think

[Joker]

I don't give a rat's ass what Venom looks like animation wise. Although, alot of his body looks out of proportion from what I saw. Maybe it wont look as bad in the cartoon.

I'm more pleased that they've totally revamped him writing wise, and actually made Eddie Brock a credible and interesting character. And he has a real connection to Peter. So, we know their forthcoming feud will be based on something concrete, and not some contrived, delusional BS that comic book Venom has.

[Venomfan]

the 90's TAS so far has had the best version of Brock and Venom. They've at least kept the look of Venom moreso than any of the other villiains in this show so i'm happy about that, and as long as Brock gets some other reasons to hate Peter it will probably be ok. (because as it is Brocks just pissed that Pete took the photo instead of helping, but once he gets the symbiote Brock would know that Pete is Spider-man and was actually doing more help then the rest of them)

[Arcturus]

I don't give a rat's ass what Venom looks like animation wise. Although, alot of his body looks out of proportion from what I saw. Maybe it wont look as bad in the cartoon.

I'm more pleased that they've totally revamped him writing wise, and actually made Eddie Brock a credible and interesting character. And he has a real connection to Peter. So, we know their forthcoming feud will be based on something concrete, and not some contrived, delusional BS that comic book Venom has.

I am looking forward to the latest incarnation of Venom in the new animated series, "The Spectacular Spider-Man". I'm glad to see that Eddie Brock will be developed before hand, have prior interactions with Peter Parker. This will make the character even more stronger, and this makes me happy. I like the design of the Venom character as well, sure it's exaggerated, but it seems to fit in with the rest of the show.

To me, this is important.

My interest in Venom started years ago when I first went to a comic-book store. I was browsing through the various comics then I came across this graphic novel called Spider-Man vs Venom. "All the David Michelinie and Todd McFarlene Venom stories collected in one volume!". It contained chance encounter, survival of the hittest, Venom, A matter of life and debt, dead meat, and finally the sand and the fury. This was a wonderful book and the obsession with Venom sparked from there for years to come. But also at the same time, my interest in Spider-Man just began and I got hooked every since.

Years went by, and my interest in comic books died down, especially when the Spider-Man comics went sour, I stopped altogether because I was let down by the unacceptable quality. However, upon hearing of Ultimate Spider-Man and Venom making a comeback in that series, the obsession fired up. I've been collecting Ultimate Spider-Man ever since, I even got the graphic novels of prior arcs. I guess I should also include how I think highly of the treatment of Venom in the 90's Spider-Man animated series, I think that was refreshing and well done Venom story. And I also love the Spider-Man 3 Venom, I feel that they handled him well. I know a lot of people don't care for this incarnation of Venom, but I disagree with them. I just wish they utilized him a him better, but it's not the end of the world. I like Venom in any form of media. I guess I'm a "Venom Fanboy", I do however recognize the characters flaw's, but I'm fine with that. I know a lot of people hate this character, but everyone has their own opinion and I respect that. But my opinion of Venom will never fail, I feel like Venom is a part of me simply because I've been a fan for such a long time. Like I said, my obsession with Venom is powerful. To me, the character is a combination of science fiction & horror, two of my favorite genres! As for Carnage and other symbiote related characters? I like Carnage, I know a lot of people dislike this character, even more so then Venom but I think Carnage is great. Does he have terrible stories, of course! But there are a few that I think deserve recognition. I don't care for the skittle symbiotes, hybrid, or other Venom clones. I don't mind Toxin, despite how underwhelming he is.

To end this long winded rant, I know Venom isn't on the level of legendary characters such as Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus. I believe those two are the most iconic villains from the Spider-Man mythos. People are always saying that Venom is in the big three with those other two. Venom is very popular, I admit. And that's great, but sometimes I feel it's for the wrong reasons. Some people think he's just cool looking, or a total "bad ass". But I genuinely believe that Eddie Brock's unmatched hatred for Peter Parker transcends madness. I just wish a writer would come along and give Venom the proper treatment I feel he deserves, if they can't come up with anything then don't use the character, it doesn't mean you have to kill him off or anything either. Of all the time I've been on superherohype I've always said Venom is #1 to me and it will never, ever cease.

The funny thing is, I hardly have any Venom merchandise besides various comic books, and a few novels which feature the character. I have one Venom poster which I've owned for years, I have a shirt with the white spider emblem. And when I was younger I collected Spider-Man toys, but out of all of them, l I only had one Venom action figure, the one from the 90's tas with the removable mask. No, my obsession with Venom goes beyond possession of material.

Maybe some will think I'm crazy, or just a blind venom fanboy. But I'm telling you in all honesty and truth. I don't disrespect people who don't think highly of Venom, at times I may seem irrational or out of line but that's just me. I'm a stubborn person but who isn't, right? Thanks for putting up with me.

End of rant!

[Visionary]

I dying to see what they do with the whole symbiote/Venom motif in this series. I wonder if it's a 3 or 4 parter.

[DCnightwing23]

yeah i dont think there'll be a 3 or 4 parter like spiderman TAS. i hope they dont ruin the venom character though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom looks great, IMO. I really feel very satisfied with this update and the symbiote is not gray. Just look at black suit Spidey in the opening credits, he was al black.

Anyway, speaking of Venom, I feel as though his journey into darkness is handled very well so far. I mean, in the episode "Natural Selection", it's the first time Brock shouts at Peter. That will eventually progress into something very bad and then end up creating Venom. That right there is great development for the character and makes us very curious as to what will he do next. I mean, Venom is in great hands for this show. So far, he's been so interesting and fun to watch, so I'm really looking foward to what he will do next. Venom has and always will be my favorite Villain of all time and nothing will ever change that. :up:

[Venomfan]

Just look at black suit Spidey in the opening credits, he was al black.
awful AWFUL design on that one, with just the normal spider turned white. the toy is much better

[DCnightwing23]

The black spiderman is soo plain, wheres the design? And if u look and pics of venom instead of the toy hes gray and i hate it!

[AIRWOLF]

I don't give a rat's ass what Venom looks like animation wise. Although, alot of his body looks out of proportion from what I saw. Maybe it wont look as bad in the cartoon.

I'm more pleased that they've totally revamped him writing wise, and actually made Eddie Brock a credible and interesting character. And he has a real connection to Peter. So, we know their forthcoming feud will be based on something concrete, and not some contrived, delusional BS that comic book Venom has.

Exactly. I truly like this Eddie more than the one in TAS. It's going to be interesting to see how Eddie actually comes to hate Peter since their best friends.

By the way Venom looks great, not too bad:cwink:: http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/VENOM2.jpg

Venom looks great, IMO. I really feel very satisfied with this update and the symbiote is not gray. Just look at black suit Spidey in the opening credits, he was al black.

Anyway, speaking of Venom, I feel as though his journey into darkness is handled very well so far. I mean, in the episode "Natural Selection", it's the first time Brock shouts at Peter. That will eventually progress into something very bad and then end up creating Venom. That right there is great development for the character and makes us very curious as to what will he do next. I mean, Venom is in great hands for this show. So far, he's been so interesting and fun to watch, so I'm really looking foward to what he will do next. Venom has and always will be my favorite Villain of all time and nothing will ever change that.

But in this case Eddie had a point, a very valid point that Peter ditched them, well in their point of view. I don't think this is going to a vital part in Venom's hate for Peter, because after Eddie becomes Venom he'll know who Spiderman is and know that Peter was with them all along.

[Arcturus]

I think the designs for the black suited spider-man and venom are fine, I have no problem with them.

[DCnightwing23]

I really hope Brock/Venom doesnt end up like SM3 with venom saying "me" instead of "us" i just feel that "us" is more interesting cause its like the audience watching has completely lost Brock and more people like that about the Venom character. It makes the story more interesting.

[nasmannen]

I believe we indeed saw the seed of hatred towards peter in this episode, however it was not because peter ditched them and sold his pictures to the bugle. No it was more subtile than that. It was when Peter came up with the gene-cleansing idea. You could really see that Brock has trouble accepting that Peter is probably smarter than him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I believe we indeed saw the seed of hatred towards peter in this episode, however it was not because peter ditched them and sold his pictures to the bugle. No it was more subtile than that. It was when Peter came up with the gene-cleansing idea. You could really see that Brock has trouble accepting that Peter is probably smarter than him. Indeed, and that could lead to Brock's hatred towards Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

[IamProdigy]

The black spiderman is soo plain, wheres the design? And if u look and pics of venom instead of the toy hes gray and i hate it!


The toy, he's a a type of dark-bright blue, hard to explain, but go look at it and you'll see what I mean; the designs of Venom, he's a blue color, a lot lighter than the toy, but he's def. NOT gray. Get your eyes checked.

But I'm more sure that they changed his color for reasons of the show as in, they wanted to make him look noticable during night scenes and perhaps not just have a giant big black Venom running around, because if they went with full black with that kind of design(big arms, tiny legs), now THAT would look like Bane from The Batman, lol.

To me, it'll fit within the series.

All the characters I am liking and the designs have been fine; the only disappointment I have so far is how they made Otto Octavius some kind of wuss. I hope though, however the accident comes to be, that makes him more diabolical, and I'm probably sure of it.

[AIRWOLF]

I believe we indeed saw the seed of hatred towards peter in this episode, however it was not because peter ditched them and sold his pictures to the bugle. No it was more subtile than that. It was when Peter came up with the gene-cleansing idea. You could really see that Brock has trouble accepting that Peter is probably smarter than him.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that lil' moment. Truly these guys are doing a fine job.

[Spider-ManHero12]

But in this case Eddie had a point, a very valid point that Peter ditched them, well in their point of view. I don't think this is going to a vital part in Venom's hate for Peter, because after Eddie becomes Venom he'll know who Spiderman is and know that Peter was with them all along. True, but it does show how Brock lost control of his anger there and nobody else really did.

[Jick09]

But in this case Eddie had a point, a very valid point that Peter ditched them, well in their point of view. I don't think this is going to a vital part in Venom's hate for Peter, because after Eddie becomes Venom he'll know who Spiderman is and know that Peter was with them all along.or maybe he just realizes that when Carnage comes into screen. then knows that he must help Peter.

[Jick09]

But in this case Eddie had a point, a very valid point that Peter ditched them, well in their point of view. I don't think this is going to a vital part in Venom's hate for Peter, because after Eddie becomes Venom he'll know who Spiderman is and know that Peter was with them all along.or maybe he just realizes that when Carnage comes in. then knows that he must help Peter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

or maybe he just realizes that when Carnage comes into screen. then knows that he must help Peter. Well, we don't even know for sure if Carnage is in this show.

[Jick09]

Well, we don't even know for sure if Carnage is in this show.
ah I'm pretty sure he will.

[raindog13]

I hope we don't see Carnage for a while. We haven't even seen GG yet.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope we don't see Carnage for a while. We haven't even seen GG yet. Yeah, if Carnage was to appear, I think he should appear in the third season.

[Jick09]

I hope we don't see Carnage for a while. We haven't even seen GG yet.
no, of course not.
it's too soon.
I'm expecting to see him at the third or fourth season.

[Webhead2006]

Yea right now we dont know what venom is going to be like in the show and also we dont know if the picture thing will be the only thing that causes the hatred to peter.

[AIRWOLF]

True, but it does show how Brock lost control of his anger there and nobody else really did.


Good point. Perhaps a notion towards his unstable mind. But the way he has been portrayed up until now, it doesn't seems likely that he will turn into a mindless Venom, rather more reasonable one.

[Arcturus]

Well he had every right to be upset at Peter, the entire group did. But they just didn't know the whole story.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Good point. Perhaps a notion towards his unstable mind. But the way he has been portrayed up until now, it doesn't seems likely that he will turn into a mindless Venom, rather more reasonable one. Well, Brock's craziness is uspposed to come out little by little over time and when somebody goes crazy, I really don't think they are reasonable. They're basically unstoppable.

[Stevens25]

I'm glad they're getting a good story behind Eddie,but Venom(in the drawings I did see)looks too "cute."
They need to give him more of a vicious/scary look.

[AIRWOLF]

Well, Brock's craziness is uspposed to come out little by little over time and when somebody goes crazy, I really don't think they are reasonable. They're basically unstoppable.


O yes thats quiet true, in psychological terms, but I meant in terms of battle plan or the way he will go about unleashing that crazy fury on Peter. Eddie seems like a smart man and it would be foolish to not have him use his brain in order to fight Spidey.

[E.Brock]

All the characters I am liking and the designs have been fine; the only disappointment I have so far is how they made Otto Octavius some kind of wuss. I hope though, however the accident comes to be, that makes him more diabolical, and I'm probably sure of it.

so that short fat guy that adrian toomes was yelling at was octavius? I thought it was but I quickly assumed it wasn't seeing how he was sort of a coward. Not how I pictured him and he didnt look a whole lot like dock ock

[Webhead2006]

yes that was otto, and he is probably going to be less timid and crazy once he gets his 4 metal friends. also this talk should go over to the season 1 thread since this one was made about venom.

[Venom.X]

Venom in this show (from what we've seen) looks mediocre at best. What the show could do with Venom as far as writing goes, could end up being the best Venom since S:TAS (as hard as that is to believe). All it hinges on is why Eddie hates Spider-Man/Peter. He seems to 'like' Spidey for now, and his bond with Peter is a very tight one, so what could drive him to hate Peter/Spider-Man has got to be big, life-changing, and believable. Anything short of that could end up being a mess, as much so as people 'think' comic-book Eddie's reasons for hating Spider-Man are in the comics.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i mentioned this on the other page we dont know if there will be other contributing reasons for brocks downfall and his hatred for peter besides right now with him hating peter for taking the lizard photos and not helping with curing connors.

[amazingfantasy15]

I think they're be a bit of jealously, if Pete starts going out with Gwen a bit, it'll probably piss Eddie off. I also think the symbiote will be a science experiment like the ultimate universe and Pete using it will cause the major rift. I think those will be the two big things that contribute to Eddie/Venom hatred of Spidey, but we'll probably get a few more little things like the photo before that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea i mentioned this on the other page we dont know if there will be other contributing reasons for brocks downfall and his hatred for peter besides right now with him hating peter for taking the lizard photos and not helping with curing connors. Yeah, it could lead Brock into hating everything about Peter, which I think would be very cool and interesting. I think Brock will continue acting a bit more agressive towards Peter as each episodes comes and I think that Peter will be very curious as to why Brock is acting that way. Maybe Peter will ask Brock why he is not over Peter not curing Connors.

[E.Brock]

I think they're be a bit of jealously, if Pete starts going out with Gwen a bit, it'll probably piss Eddie off. I also think the symbiote will be a science experiment like the ultimate universe and Pete using it will cause the major rift. I think those will be the two big things that contribute to Eddie/Venom hatred of Spidey, but we'll probably get a few more little things like the photo before that.

I think the suit is actually going to be an alien symbiote rather than a bio-egineered suit...well at least according to the description on the back of the action figure package

[Venom 1988]

Yea the symbiote is coming from Space

[amazingfantasy15]

I think the suit is actually going to be an alien symbiote rather than a bio-egineered suit...well at least according to the description on the back of the action figure package

Yea the symbiote is coming from Space

Oh, haven't read anything about the cartoon and haven't been seen any of the toys. Just seeing the first three episodes, looks like they're going with the Ultimate version of Eddie at least. Hope the suit comes to Earth in a somewhat '90s show fashion, not SM3, where it randomly crashes on Earth.

[Webhead2006]

Eddie yes they took ultimate route for background but, Yea it was confirmed it is space origin for symboite.

[Arcturus]

Good, IMO, the symbiote has to be of extraterrestrial origin.

Aside from that, I am glad how so far they're handling Eddie Brock. They've made him into a real character with a real connection to Peter Parker. I just wonder whats going to finally set off Eddie Brock before making contact with the alien creature. Because it's a given he'll be completely changed afterwards.

[Webhead2006]

I still think my ideal i mentioned before could happen to some degree. Brock trys to steal an experiment for his own from connors or he falsifies a report of connors for some reason and pete learns of what is going on and it causes brock to also be fired from connors and thrown out of ESU. But who knows at this point.

[IamProdigy]

All I ask for is that Eddie gets the symbiote at a church; there shouldn't be anyother way for the symbiote to get a hold of him, Eddie should be at a church, Peter should be up on the belltower getting rid of it and then Eddie becomes Venom. That's the only scene I really enjoyed in Spider-Man 3; it was so amazing, and infact that and Flint Marko trying to control his sand powers were amazing scenes, too bad Sam Raimi just crapped on the rest of it, haha.

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope too they have the church thing from the comics, 90s toon, and sm3.

[ironwez20]

i think there moving things a lil to fast and i think there going in a direction of spiderboy to spiderman i think it will be like naruto shippuden when hes young then in shippuden hes older , well in this spidey series i hope they make him grow up and stuff. and venom is venom to me

[Webhead2006]

They do plan to have peter grow and age. Each season is going to be a different semster of school. Season 1 fall of junior yr, season 2 spring of junior yr, season 3 fall of senior yr, season 4 spring of senior yr, and if show makes it to a 5th or more college time.

[Webzpinner]

I just got the Spectacular Spider-Man toy version of Venom, and he basically looks just like leaked artwork earlier in the thread. However, he has a metallic blue shimmer.

Interestingly, I doubt it's a final design, since I've seen the Black suit Spider-man toy, and it has the classic look of the Black suit from the comics, but from the opening intro of "Spectacular" it's obvious (at least on my HDTV) that the black costume is the same as that in SM3 (complete with gray webbing and white little spider).

With that in mind, there might be changes in Venom's final look too (I'm crossing my fingers for crazy-veined webbing on Venom, but I won't hold my breath)

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4848/spec001jd4.jpg

[Web-Head]

yea i hope too they have the church thing from the comics, 90s toon, and sm3.

That I would love to see here.

[Webhead2006]

I just got the Spectacular Spider-Man toy version of Venom, and he basically looks just like leaked artwork earlier in the thread. However, he has a metallic blue shimmer.

Interestingly, I doubt it's a final design, since I've seen the Black suit Spider-man toy, and it has the classic look of the Black suit from the comics, but from the opening intro of "Spectacular" it's obvious (at least on my HDTV) that the black costume is the same as that in SM3 (complete with gray webbing and white little spider).

With that in mind, there might be changes in Venom's final look too (I'm crossing my fingers for crazy-veined webbing on Venom, but I won't hold my breath)
The toys are all messed up and not what the show's final designs look like.

This is what show's venom will be:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/VENOM2.jpg

This is Toy venom:
http://i28.tinypic.com/wamvcj.jpg

As u can see toy look as the blue/black look to it, the toe toed, 4 finger/clawed look. Where as the show's look is normal feet, 5 fingers, and no white patchs on hands.

[Webzpinner]

The toys are all messed up and not what the show's final designs look like.

This is what show's venom will be:


This is Toy venom:


As u can see toy look as the blue/black look to it, the toe toed, 4 finger/clawed look. Where as the show's look is normal feet, 5 fingers, and no white patchs on hands.

We won't know 100% which is accurate until the episode in question airs.

[Webhead2006]

True but i think it will be top image look and not the toy look.

[Webzpinner]

True but i think it will be top image look and not the toy look.

The only reason I'm leaving it open is because My father had a few peices of concept art from the 90's Spider-man series (not the cheesy pack-in cels either) and they looked nothing like the finished product.

It's insane how many versions of a character are made before the final design is put into play.

Anyway... either Venom is soooooo cute and cuddly, I'll wuv both of 'em. ;)

[ironwez20]

please venom is venom and by the way did anyone notive the 2 toe venom on the toy it sucks thats why i didnt order it

[vegeta21]

Brock seems too much like a decent guy for my liking. Truth be told I'm probobly one of the few who prefers Brock not have much connection with Peter. I kinda like the idea of him just being some whacko who blames Spider-Man for all his problems. Don't really want some "decent guy, yet misunderstanding about Spider-Man / Peter" . Hopefully we'll see that he's really a grade a douchebag deep down.

[E.Brock]

Brock was never supposed to be a grade A douche bag...just an unlucky guy who feels he was wronged one to many times by spidey. Although he didn't blame himself for his mishaps. But who would after evervything in his life went to s*** at once. Only to suddenly have the power to take out the guy who was partly responsible.

[E.Brock]

I know I would "vent" a little

[Spider-ManHero12]

please venom is venom and by the way did anyone notive the 2 toe venom on the toy it sucks thats why i didnt order it That Venom toy is very cool, IMO. Besides, he doesn't have two toes in the show. He has a regular foot, so his feet basically look like they did in the comics.

[BizarroAids]

I don't give a rat's ass what Venom looks like animation wise. Although, alot of his body looks out of proportion from what I saw. Maybe it wont look as bad in the cartoon.

I'm more pleased that they've totally revamped him writing wise, and actually made Eddie Brock a credible and interesting character. And he has a real connection to Peter. So, we know their forthcoming feud will be based on something concrete, and not some contrived, delusional BS that comic book Venom has.

As always my friend, you and I totally agree on Venom. Just in the past 3 episodes, Eddie has more proven to have a heart and a good side, which will be an awesome switch when he gets the symbiote. Although I doubt he will keep much of his conscience. But oh well.

[Venomfan]

Interestingly, I doubt it's a final design, since I've seen the Black suit Spider-man toy, and it has the classic look of the Black suit from the comics, but from the opening intro of "Spectacular" it's obvious (at least on my HDTV) that the black costume is the same as that in SM3 (complete with gray webbing and white little spider).

it looks so crappy and plain, the toy looked so much better

[Arcturus]

Green Goblin 1964 had posted this in one of the other threads in this forum, I'm not sure where the link is to the whole interview. You'd probably have to ask Green Goblin 1964. Regardless, it's interesting to know. I've already posted my thoughts on the subject of Venom in general, it's on the first page.

Anyways;



The Continuum: Did you watch the movie? They seemed to make him animalistic, too.

Diskin: I did watch the movie. I would say this Venom is more malicious and sadistic than animalistic. When he gets really mad, yeah he goes off the deep end and is very animalistic. But there's definitely a part of him that's more twisted and manipulative and trying to just destroy everything about Spider-Man piece by piece, inch by inch.

The Continuum: So who is Eddie Brock in the series?

Diskin: He works at the ESU lab with Doctor Connors. He's sort of like a big brother to Peter. He was kind of his protector throughout high school and then he graduated and moved on to college. He's one of these guys who has a lot of real serious pyschological issues that he keeps to himself. As the series progresses, you start seeing more and more and more of this demonic, freaky guy who really goes off the deep end.

[E.Brock]

hell yes...i have not gotten tired of reading that response

[E.Brock]

sorry guys im going to put this into the comics thread but I thought we might have something to get excited about because this looks like we might get Eddie Brock/Venom back
(read description)

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=8685

[E.Brock]

its a long shot but a man can dream

[Spider-ManHero12]

sorry guys im going to put this into the comics thread but I thought we might have something to get excited about because this looks like we might get Eddie Brock/Venom back
(read description)

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=8685 It would be so great if that happened. :up:

[Arcturus]

It would be so great if that happened. :up:

Agreed!

[Arcturus]

I wonder how far into the series Eddie Brock shows his true colors. That is before he becomes Venom.

[IamProdigy]

Well I think we've seen it already. Perhaps since "Natural Selection", the friendship between Peter and Eddie is starting to end already.

[Arcturus]

Well I think we've seen it already. Perhaps since "Natural Selection", the friendship between Peter and Eddie is starting to end already.

Yeah, his darker side started to break through (so to speak) but seems he got it under control.

[vegeta21]

Brock was never supposed to be a grade A douche bag...just an unlucky guy who feels he was wronged one to many times by spidey. Although he didn't blame himself for his mishaps. But who would after evervything in his life went to s*** at once. Only to suddenly have the power to take out the guy who was partly responsible.

Spidey never ruine Brock's life. He was a shoddy journalist who dentified the wrong man as the Sin Eater. Spidey caught the real Sin Eater and Brock couldn't deal with the shame, so he decided to end his own life when he came upon the symbiote which just happened to feed off his self pity. A real winner.

[Arcturus]

I like how they're making Eddie Brock to be a good and caring person on the outside...only that it's masking an unfathomable madness on the inside.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, his darker side started to break through (so to speak) but seems he got it under control. Yes, he did get it under control, but how long can he do that before he loses his sanity completley? Only time will tell I guess. :cwink:

[Silver Spider]

I am looking forward to the latest incarnation of Venom in the new animated series, "The Spectacular Spider-Man". I'm glad to see that Eddie Brock will be developed before hand, have prior interactions with Peter Parker. This will make the character even more stronger, and this makes me happy. I like the design of the Venom character as well, sure it's exaggerated, but it seems to fit in with the rest of the show.

To me, this is important.

My interest in Venom started years ago when I first went to a comic-book store. I was browsing through the various comics then I came across this graphic novel called Spider-Man vs Venom. "All the David Michelinie and Todd McFarlene Venom stories collected in one volume!". It contained chance encounter, survival of the hittest, Venom, A matter of life and debt, dead meat, and finally the sand and the fury. This was a wonderful book and the obsession with Venom sparked from there for years to come. But also at the same time, my interest in Spider-Man just began and I got hooked every since.

Years went by, and my interest in comic books died down, especially when the Spider-Man comics went sour, I stopped altogether because I was let down by the unacceptable quality. However, upon hearing of Ultimate Spider-Man and Venom making a comeback in that series, the obsession fired up. I've been collecting Ultimate Spider-Man ever since, I even got the graphic novels of prior arcs. I guess I should also include how I think highly of the treatment of Venom in the 90's Spider-Man animated series, I think that was refreshing and well done Venom story. And I also love the Spider-Man 3 Venom, I feel that they handled him well. I know a lot of people don't care for this incarnation of Venom, but I disagree with them. I just wish they utilized him a him better, but it's not the end of the world. I like Venom in any form of media. I guess I'm a "Venom Fanboy", I do however recognize the characters flaw's, but I'm fine with that. I know a lot of people hate this character, but everyone has their own opinion and I respect that. But my opinion of Venom will never fail, I feel like Venom is a part of me simply because I've been a fan for such a long time. Like I said, my obsession with Venom is powerful. To me, the character is a combination of science fiction & horror, two of my favorite genres! As for Carnage and other symbiote related characters? I like Carnage, I know a lot of people dislike this character, even more so then Venom but I think Carnage is great. Does he have terrible stories, of course! But there are a few that I think deserve recognition. I don't care for the skittle symbiotes, hybrid, or other Venom clones. I don't mind Toxin, despite how underwhelming he is.

To end this long winded rant, I know Venom isn't on the level of legendary characters such as Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus. I believe those two are the most iconic villains from the Spider-Man mythos. People are always saying that Venom is in the big three with those other two. Venom is very popular, I admit. And that's great, but sometimes I feel it's for the wrong reasons. Some people think he's just cool looking, or a total "bad ass". But I genuinely believe that Eddie Brock's unmatched hatred for Peter Parker transcends madness. I just wish a writer would come along and give Venom the proper treatment I feel he deserves, if they can't come up with anything then don't use the character, it doesn't mean you have to kill him off or anything either. Of all the time I've been on superherohype I've always said Venom is #1 to me and it will never, ever cease.

The funny thing is, I hardly have any Venom merchandise besides various comic books, and a few novels which feature the character. I have one Venom poster which I've owned for years, I have a shirt with the white spider emblem. And when I was younger I collected Spider-Man toys, but out of all of them, l I only had one Venom action figure, the one from the 90's tas with the removable mask. No, my obsession with Venom goes beyond possession of material.

Maybe some will think I'm crazy, or just a blind venom fanboy. But I'm telling you in all honesty and truth. I don't disrespect people who don't think highly of Venom, at times I may seem irrational or out of line but that's just me. I'm a stubborn person but who isn't, right? Thanks for putting up with me.

End of rant!

This is exactly how I feel about Venom. Of course my appreciation of him molded over the years to become like this. It seems like you have a true passion for the character and I respect that. When I was first introduced to Venom I was attracted to his look (90's cartoon). But then later, I was obsessed with the fact that he had all of Spiderman's powers only enhanced. It wasn't until I started actually learning about him, when I started to love Eddie's transformation to Venomhood. I thought he was the perfect Spiderman villain, because it shows what Peter would be if he let the symbiote bond with him.

I've never really been a fan of the hulky Venom, I've prefered himto be a little bit arger than Spidey. Spiderman 3's look changed my thoughts of his size. I was suprized how he was like the same size as Spiderman and I fell in love with it. People complain about how he looks nothing like the comics, but the truth is he is actually very close to the original debut of Venom. That's also a factor that makes Ultimate Venom a bit of a turn off for me. Nethertheless I still do like the Ultimate incarnation.

I agree that Venom's dark side is cool to see. It shows that superhero stories can have there horror characters. When it comes to the other symbiotes, I think Carnage is a perfect spawn of Venom, and Toxin is a good spawn of Carnage. The other children of Venom I couldn't care less about. I don't even know all they're names.

They only purely Venom based possession of mine is a graphic novel (Birth of Venom) and the Ultimate Spiderman game. Although I have alot of other games and books with him in it.

I honestly believe that Venom is a important factor in getting me into Marvel. He helped get me interested in Spiderman, and Spiderman got me interested in Marvel.

I hope they do justice to his character in this series.

[Arcturus]

Excellent post, Silver Spider! It's good to see other who share my view on Venom.

:word::up:

On another note, does anyone know when the alien symbiote saga will start? End of season 1? Season 2?

[Silver Spider]

Excellent post, Silver Spider! It's good to see other who share my view on Venom.

:word::up:

On another note, does anyone know when the alien symbiote saga will start? End of season 1? Season 2?

Thanks, and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to start at the end of season 1.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This is exactly how I feel about Venom. Of course my appreciation of him molded over the years to become like this. It seems like you have a true passion for the character and I respect that. When I was first introduced to Venom I was attracted to his look (90's cartoon). But then later, I was obsessed with the fact that he had all of Spiderman's powers only enhanced. It wasn't until I started actually learning about him, when I started to love Eddie's transformation to Venomhood. I thought he was the perfect Spiderman villain, because it shows what Peter would be if he let the symbiote bond with him.

I've never really been a fan of the hulky Venom, I've prefered himto be a little bit arger than Spidey. Spiderman 3's look changed my thoughts of his size. I was suprized how he was like the same size as Spiderman and I fell in love with it. People complain about how he looks nothing like the comics, but the truth is he is actually very close to the original debut of Venom. That's also a factor that makes Ultimate Venom a bit of a turn off for me. Nethertheless I still do like the Ultimate incarnation.

I agree that Venom's dark side is cool to see. It shows that superhero stories can have there horror characters. When it comes to the other symbiotes, I think Carnage is a perfect spawn of Venom, and Toxin is a good spawn of Carnage. The other children of Venom I couldn't care less about. I don't even know all they're names.

They only purely Venom based possession of mine is a graphic novel (Birth of Venom) and the Ultimate Spiderman game. Although I have alot of other games and books with him in it.

I honestly believe that Venom is a important factor in getting me into Marvel. He helped get me interested in Spiderman, and Spiderman got me interested in Marvel.

I hope they do justice to his character in this series. Very well said, Silver Spider! :sym::up:

[Silver Spider]

Very well said, Silver Spider! :sym::up:

Thanks, Arcturus' post was great too.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i am guessing since they said peter is going to have the symboite for a few episodes he will get it probably in ep 10 and then eddie get it ep 12 or the last one 13.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thanks, Arcturus' post was great too. Defenitley, he truly says grea things about Venom. If you check the Eddie Brocks Club House thread, you will find why I have so much passion for Venom. :yay::up:

[Silver Spider]

Defenitley, he truly says grea things about Venom. If you check the Eddie Brocks Club House thread, you will find why I have so much passion for Venom. :yay::up:

Is that thread in the Spectacular Spiderman sub-forum or the Spiderman 3 sub-forum?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is that thread in the Spectacular Spiderman sub-forum or the Spiderman 3 sub-forum? In the Spidey World forum.

[Silver Spider]

In the Spidey World forum.

Thanks, I'll go check it out.

[The Joker_1000]

I like the new look of Venom but the major thing will be if the character is done justice & if he acts like he does in the comics. I look forward to seeing him.

[Webhead2006]

Well we wont know untill venom shows up in a few weeks.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I like the new look of Venom but the major thing will be if the character is done justice & if he acts like he does in the comics. I look forward to seeing him. I'm sure he will be done justice. I mean, they are establishing him most of the season, so that's just one of the great things they are doing with him. Also, I think Venom will be like he was in the comics. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

I'm sure he will be done justice. I mean, they are establishing him most of the season, so that's just one of the great things they are doing with him. Also, I think Venom will be like he was in the comics. :up:


That's true, I'm really looking forward to seeing him as well. Btw, it's too bad that he fell out with Peter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's true, I'm really looking forward to seeing him as well. Btw, it's too bad that he fell out with Peter. When Brock yelled at Peter, I knew he was going to get worse and worse until he finally goes off the deep end.

[The Joker_1000]

It's too bad that they aren't really friends anymore & I hate how Dr. Connors' wife now believes she can't trust Peter.

[Webhead2006]

Well we dont know if the whole photo thing is the only thing in their break up of friendship there is probably going to be something else that makes eddie snape more.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's too bad that they aren't really friends anymore & I hate how Dr. Connors' wife now believes she can't trust Peter. I'm interested in finding out more aobut that.

[Silver Spider]

That's true, I'm really looking forward to seeing him as well. Btw, it's too bad that he fell out with Peter.

I know, they were so close. When I saw the first two episodes I was like, "How can he possibly turn into Venom?" It's going to be interesting seeing how they will show his fall.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I know, they were so close. When I saw the first two episodes I was like, "How can he possibly turn into Venom?" It's going to be interesting seeing how they will show his fall. Agreed, it's also going to be very cool, but sad seeing them fight.

[The Joker_1000]

I'm interested in finding out more aobut that.


I think it's pretty stupid to say you can't trust someone because they took photos, especially knowing the situation Peter's family is in.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think it's pretty stupid to say you can't trust someone because they took photos, especially knowing the situation Peter's family is in. I'm not sure that Martha Connors even knows how broke Peters' Aunt is.

[Parquagh]

I was looking for th "Market forces" episode without having success, but I found this, take a look at the end, it is how Venom will look like...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GCQCbJtbKaA
ps sorry if this has been posted

[IamProdigy]

Nope.

[Webhead2006]

Nope that is the toy version which is very very wrong, for some reason the toys and the shows final looks are not correct with each other. This is what Venom is going to look like:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/VENOM2.jpg

[The Joker_1000]

I'm loving the look of Venom and all that's left is for us to see Venom in action which will be very soon. Man, I CAN'T WAIT!

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm loving the look of Venom and all that's left is for us to see Venom in action which will be very soon. Man, I CAN'T WAIT! Agreed, it really was be so amazing! :sym::up:

[DCnightwing23]

That pic!!! is horrible!! Venom is GRAY!!!!

[IamProdigy]

And you, my friend, cannot see clearly.

He is not gray. Nor is the Venom toy.

That picture of Venom is more of a lightly-colored blue, which I think will look perfect in the series, because black would actually look dull(that's why Venom in the 90s series was given a blue and red tint to his body), so them choosing that color looks good for what it's worth. And no, I'm not being biased because I'm a Venom fan.

[DCnightwing23]

Well ok i agree with your statement prodigy, i just feel that the design is too plain and boring. I think they should have made it look somewhat similar with Spiderman: TAS venom.
And also hopefully the Venom in this show will say "we" instead of "i"

[MattXG]

Where's his white patches? :(

I liked when Venom had his own webbing...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Where's his white patches? :(

I liked when Venom had his own webbing... He will have his own webbing. I gaurantee it.

[DCnightwing23]

The Spectacular Spider-man : Eddie Brock = Great version

Venom = Alright I guess

[The Joker_1000]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/VENOM2.jpg

I don't see what the big deal is about this design, it looks great. I still look forward to seeing this Venom in action and I definitely want this Venom to be a recurring villain who isn't forgotten about like in TAS.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/VENOM2.jpg

I don't see what the big deal is about this design, it looks great. I still look forward to seeing this Venom in action and I definitely want this Venom to be a recurring villain who isn't forgotten about like in TAS. Agreed, and it's already been confirmed that he will return, so that's a good thing. Also, even though Venom is my favorite Villian, I don't want him to be over used. :up:

[Arcturus]

I think the design is great!

[The Joker_1000]

Agreed, and it's already been confirmed that he will return, so that's a good thing. Also, even though Venom is my favorite Villian, I don't want him to be over used. :up:


They definitely don't need to over use Venom but at the same time he needs to be in a decent amount of episodes.

[Arcturus]

I doubt they will overuse him. I figure we'll get a few episodes dealing with Peter Parker/Eddie/symbiote and end it there.

At this point, who knows.

[Webhead2006]

actually eddie's voice actor did say that when talking as venom he will say we ..... us.... in an interview not to long ago.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They definitely don't need to over use Venom but at the same time he needs to be in a decent amount of episodes. Yeah, but as I said, he will be in 2 episodes so far, but we don't know anything beyond that. :yay:

[The Joker_1000]

Well, two episodes is a good start but it's going to suck if they don't use him anymore afterwards.

[IamProdigy]

Two episodes? I always thought he'll only appear in one episode this season.

But even after he is defeated, he could be in prison, while the symbiote is being held somewhere and whenever Carnage appears, you know Spidey will need Eddie's help.

But white patches or no, I still think Venom will shoot webbing on the front of his hand, the white patches was there to only show where Venom's webbing came from, so when they designed this Venom, they probably didn't care much for the white patches since we will obviously see where the webbing comes from, so it's not a biggie.

Venom just looks like a freaking monster, so that's all I care about. Just be glad he's not a puny guy like Sam Raimi's Venom.

[The Joker_1000]

Sam Raimi's Venom wasn't really all that puny, Topher Grace got pretty buff for the role.

[IamProdigy]

Yah...he was puny.

Topher Grace still looked puny, even if he gained 20 lbs. of muscle.

He was a whimp in That 70s Show, so 20 lbs. added to his skeleton body wasn't that much of a big improvement, imo.

And also, I say puny because he's not the Venom that I watched in the 90s series or read on some of the comics, like Lethal Protector(yes, yes, it was really the only comic book I remember reading).

But I don't wanna get started on the hatred I have over that movie, lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, two episodes is a good start but it's going to suck if they don't use him anymore afterwards. I think they will, but they will probably wait until season 4 for a third appearance.

[The Joker_1000]

That's too long, we should at least get two more appearances in season two or in season three.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's too long, we should at least get two more appearances in season two or in season three. Well, I say season 3 for the third appearance.

[The Joker_1000]

Why (just curious)?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Why (just curious)? Well, in the comics, sometimes, Villians appeared and didn't appear again for a long time. That's one of the reasons I think Venom shouldn't have his 3rd appearance until season 3 or 4.

[The Joker_1000]

I still would like to see him in the second season, even if it's him as Eddie Brock & not as Venom.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still would like to see him in the second season, even if it's him as Eddie Brock & not as Venom. I really think he will. I mean, having him return in the second season is find by me. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, a cameo won't hurt anyone. I look forward to seeing the evolution of his character in this show. I also want to see how they may redesign Carnage, something more updated wouldn't hurt anyone.

[Jick09]

Yeah, a cameo won't hurt anyone. I look forward to seeing the evolution of his character in this show. I also want to see how they may redesign Carnage, something more updated wouldn't hurt anyone.
that's the thing I'm looking forward the most...Carnage. how they'll treat him, how he'll look like. how violent he'll be.
I'm just afraid they do something like the Spider-Man Unlimited Series Carnage...it's horrible.

and I'm confident that Venom's second appearance will be in Carnage's episode...probably in the third season.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, a cameo won't hurt anyone. I look forward to seeing the evolution of his character in this show. I also want to see how they may redesign Carnage, something more updated wouldn't hurt anyone. Agreed, although I'm not sure Carnage will appear. If he does though, it probably wouldn't be until season 3 or 4.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Honestly, I hope Carnage never appears. He's just... dull. Uninspired. I can't stand him.

[Jick09]

Honestly, I hope Carnage never appears. He's just... dull. Uninspired. I can't stand him.
with the route they're taking...I'm sure they'll make him great.
I always take Carnage for fighting purposes. he's like one of the strongest and more dangerous Spidey villains.

[Webhead2006]

Yea if they do add carnage in the show i hope they dont crap out on us and pull 90s toon/ultimate and turn him into life force sucker bull. I know they will have to tone him down due to it is a kids show but atless do something good.

[Jick09]

Yea if they do add carnage in the show i hope they dont crap out on us and pull 90s toon/ultimate and turn him into life force sucker bull. I know they will have to tone him down due to it is a kids show but atless do something good.
the rumors, before the show started...is that Cletus would become Carnage in a hospital...injecting the symbiote in his own blood
rumors...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea if they do add carnage in the show i hope they dont crap out on us and pull 90s toon/ultimate and turn him into life force sucker bull. I know they will have to tone him down due to it is a kids show but atless do something good. Yeah, though they still made him psychotic in that show. I think they should really do it different than they did in the 1990's show.

[Webhead2006]

thats a little strange.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, though they still made him psychotic in that show. I think they should really do it different than they did in the 1990's show.


I say make him more of a serious psycho & less of a goofball psycho like in the 1990's animated series.

[Webhead2006]

yea they could probably do a psycho just tone it down a bit for kids of course.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I say make him more of a serious psycho & less of a goofball psycho like in the 1990's animated series. Well, in the comics, Cletus Kasady was more of a loud, goofy, creepy and loud psychopath. So, the 1990's series actually stayed pretty close to the comics when it comes to Cletus Kasady. However, a serious psycho could be very interesting.

[Sarcastic Fan]

the rumors, before the show started...is that Cletus would become Carnage in a hospital...injecting the symbiote in his own blood
rumors...

Those rumors are just that, rumors. No truth to them.

I don't care how "strong" or "dangerous" Carnage is. He is still a horrible character. I mean, no rhyme or reason, no plot. Nothing. He just kills. Maybe for one appearance, it's fine. But it gets old. Fast.

He was only brought in to make Venom look like a "decent person"... excuse me while I laugh.

The Joker summed up my thoughts on Carnage perfectly.

Joker: I always considered myself the Orson Welles of crime and chaos. You, on the other hand are more like David Hasselhoff."
::Later::
Joker: I was wrong, with dialogue like that, you're not Hasselhoff. More like Dolph Lundgren

[The Joker_1000]

Well, in the comics, Cletus Kasady was more of a loud, goofy, creepy and loud psychopath. So, the 1990's series actually stayed pretty close to the comics when it comes to Cletus Kasady. However, a serious psycho could be very interesting.


I'm not saying the 90's series portrayed the character incorrectly, just that I'd like a more serious version this time.

[Arcturus]

I like Carnage, but I don't see them using this character for the Spectacular Spider-Man. If they do, it'll probably be for an episode or two in a later season. Plus, I think this incarnation of Venom will be evil so I don't see him protecting innocent people from Carnage.

Right now, let's focus on Venom.

:sym:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm not saying the 90's series portrayed the character incorrectly, just that I'd like a more serious version this time. Well, a more serious Cletus Kasady can work and make for really good stories. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I like Carnage, but I don't see them using this character for the Spectacular Spider-Man. If they do, it'll probably be for an episode or two in a later season. Plus, I think this incarnation of Venom will be evil so I don't see him protecting innocent people from Carnage.

Right now, let's focus on Venom.

:sym: Agreed, Venom is the main focus symbiote right now. I'm not really worrying about Carnage right now.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, Carnage will come when the time is right as will the other symbiotes if we are to get more than two of them.

[Arcturus]

To tell you the truth, as far as I'm concerned, the most important aspect to me is the tale of Peter Parker and Eddie Brock, and the grudge between them. I believe that the writers of the Spectacular Spider-Man will tell an astonishing tale, and right now, that's all that matters to me on this subject.

[Jick09]

Those rumors are just that, rumors. No truth to them.that's why I emphasized the word rumor there. I put it there twice

I don't care how "strong" or "dangerous" Carnage is. He is still a horrible character. I mean, no rhyme or reason, no plot. Nothing. He just kills.and what's wrong about that? do you want him to be like all the other villains or to conquer the world with diabolical plans?
that's why he's dangerous, he just kills. he doesn't think twice. he doesn't give you a second chance. he's pure evil.

you just don't like him...I can live with that

[Spider-ManHero12]

To tell you the truth, as far as I'm concerned, the most important aspect to me is the tale of Peter Parker and Eddie Brock, and the grudge between them. I believe that the writers of the Spectacular Spider-Man will tell an astonishing tale, and right now, that's all that matters to me on this subject. Agreed, the look of Venom is one thing, but what the main thing is the story of Eddie Brock. Personally, I think they will handle the story between Eddie Brock and Peter in a great way. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

They already have, they just need to keep up what they've currently got going & they'll do fine.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They already have, they just need to keep up what they've currently got going & they'll do fine. Well, basically I meant how they will be down the road as Brock becomes more and more different.

[Sarcastic Fan]

that's why I emphasized the word rumor there. I put it there twice

and what's wrong about that? do you want him to be like all the other villains or to conquer the world with diabolical plans?
that's why he's dangerous, he just kills. he doesn't think twice. he doesn't give you a second chance. he's pure evil.

you just don't like him...I can live with that

And "pure evil" does not make for good characters or storytelling.

[Ratcrawler]

Ridiculous Carnage ideas...

1) Venom evolves into Carnage. Possibly when the symbiote seeks a different host.

2) Gwen becomes female Carnage giving her and Venom a Joker/Harley-esque relationship.

3)Carnage is a symbiote infected with Connors' Lizard formula.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ridiculous Carnage ideas...

1) Venom evolves into Carnage. Possibly when the symbiote seeks a different host.

2) Gwen becomes female Carnage giving her and Venom a Joker/Harley-esque relationship.

3)Carnage is a symbiote infected with Connors' Lizard formula. It would be bad if and of those happened. No hard feelings though. Also, maybe ther will be *drum roll*.....Aunt Carnage! For those of you who don't know, a while back, someobdy on IMDB listed Rosemarry Harris as Aunt May/Carnage. :yay:

[The Joker_1000]

If that happened I'd hunt down every writer involved with this show.

[Green Goblin 1964]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/AuntCarnage.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/AuntCarnage.jpg Oh No! Run for the hills, it's Aunt Carnage! :wow:

[ironwez20]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnage

[ironwez20]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnage

[Green Goblin 1964]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnageTypical fanboy post lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnage I'm not really a fan of Anti-Hero Venom, so I don't want him teaming up with Spidey unless it's absoloutley necessary. I mean, I think Anti Hero Venom is cool, but not as cool as the cold blooded badass Venom he was in his first 4 appearances.

[The Joker_1000]

Carnage isn't that strong? Let us more knowledgable (sp?) Spidey fans not respond to that post. It's too ridiculous.

[Johnny Israel]

Ridiculous Carnage ideas...

1) Venom evolves into Carnage. Possibly when the symbiote seeks a different host.

2) Gwen becomes female Carnage giving her and Venom a Joker/Harley-esque relationship.

3)Carnage is a symbiote infected with Connors' Lizard formula.

#2 sort of happened already, and someone who actually reads Ultimate Spiderman may tell you better then me about it. Gwen Stacy became Carnage. SHIELD was doing some sort of experiment and when Carnage killed her in Ultimate it left some DNA on her corpse, so i have no F'n clue what SHIELD was doing maybe reanimating Gwen for some reason and when they did it brought back the Carnage mosnter from the series but yeah Gwen is/was Carnage in Ultimate Spidey. If someone knows what happened they can tell you, I just saw the issue when it came out last year I think. Someone should have their face caved in for that.

[The Joker_1000]

Cletus Cassidy should be the only Carnage or if they are going to change who becomes Carnage, they could at least use a male. Btw, I didn't like Peter Parker being Carnage either, it was kind of disappointing to find out that in the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Btw, I didn't like Peter Parker being Carnage either, it was kind of disappointing to find out that in the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Agreed, that was a very stupid thing in that game. :up:

[Johnny Israel]

Agreed, that was a very stupid thing in that game. :up:

No doubt that its stupid, but I'd take peter parker, harry osbourne, the stay puft marshmallow man, david duchovney, or bob saget being Carnage over Gwen Stacey anyday.

[The Joker_1000]

I'd prefer that none of them were to be Carnage.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'd prefer that none of them were to be Carnage. Agreed! :up:

[The Joker_1000]

I'm watching Spider-Man 3 and something horrible came to me....what if the Sandman were ever to become Carnage?

[Joker]

I'm watching Spider-Man 3 and something horrible came to me....what if the Sandman were ever to become Carnage?

Don't talk nonsense! Why on earth would that even happen?

The notion is utterly absurd!

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, but knowing writers of comics, you never know what you might get. Hell, we're getting a Red Hulk that isn't even Bruce Banner!

[Joker]

That's the comics! The movies would never do it.

And aren't symbiotes attracted to individuals with rage and hate? Sandman doesn't have any of that. Can a symbiote even bond with sand?

Like I said, absurd notion!

[The Joker_1000]

It's not like I would want it to happen, I just said it was a thought that came to me and I decided to share it on here.

[Green Goblin 1964]

It's not like I would want it to happen, I just said it was a thought that came to me and I decided to share it on here.Not the thread, man.

[The Joker_1000]

Anywho, anybody got some pictures of the symbiote or of Venom from the comics? I could really use some right about now.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anywho, anybody got some pictures of the symbiote or of Venom from the comics? I could really use some right about now. Here's an awesome image from an awesome Issue. Also, I did not scan this. :sym::up:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/Spider-ManHero12/venommmm.jpg?t=1206334673 (javascript:void(0);)

[Stevens25]

All I ask is this:I DON'T want Venom as the anti-hero.

[Spider-ManHero12]

All I ask is this:I DON'T want Venom as the anti-hero. Don't worry, he most likely won't be and that's a good thing. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

In the cartoon? Hell no. He needs to be a straight up nasty villain.

Btw, is anyone surprised that this series isn't as kiddy as we all feared it would be? That very thought fills me with glee.

[The Joker_1000]

Here's an awesome image from an awesome Issue. Also, I did not scan this. :sym::up:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/Spider-ManHero12/venommmm.jpg?t=1206334673 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)


Thanks. Btw, if anyone knows a website where I can find images of Venom, don't hesitate to tell me.

Here are some pictures of Venom that I found on Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/VenomSBHImage.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/TehAmazingSpidey316Venom.jpg/390px-TehAmazingSpidey316Venom.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Ultimate_venom.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Venomoviepic7.png

These are some cool images but I need....MORE!

[Green Goblin 1964]

You could've just searched the Hype for 5 min.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=130184

[The Joker_1000]

Hehe, I could have, couldn't I....

[Arcturus]

Anyways...

It seems to me that they have completely recreated Eddie Brock. No longer is he a journalist whose life gets ruined. But a former highschool athlete and presently college lab assistant. With a brother-like friendship with Peter Parker aka Spider-Man. However, things seem questionable now after Peters actions. Eddie seems to be disappointed in Peter. Gwen seems like a distant friend, Harry is feeling let down as well. Martha Connors doesn't trust Peter, and Curt is in no position to throw stones! Oh my! What kind of mess has Peter gotten himself into, aside being Spider-Man and fighting outrageous people with extraordinary abilities. And to top it off, theres a bounty on Spider-Man, to be squashed.

So when the extraterrestrial symbiote finally arrives, I wonder if it will do what the 90's TAS/SM-3 did and turn Peter into a bad guy temporarily. It seems that if this were to happen, things are really going to become hectic with Peters struggle and how it will effect those around him. And finally, when Eddie Brock becomes Venom! I can't wait to see what kind of chaos follows afterwards.

[Jick09]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnageCarnage shoved Venom and Spidey in the wall in his first appearance...one with each arm, and with easiness. Spidey even questioned Venom about how can Carnage be even stronger than the Venom.
In the cartoon? Hell no. He needs to be a straight up nasty villain.

Btw, is anyone surprised that this series isn't as kiddy as we all feared it would be? That very thought fills me with glee.I am. and glad, too. really glad.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anyways...

It seems to me that they have completely recreated Eddie Brock. No longer is he a journalist whose life gets ruined. But a former highschool athlete and presently college lab assistant. With a brother-like friendship with Peter Parker aka Spider-Man. However, things seem questionable now after Peters actions. Eddie seems to be disappointed in Peter. Gwen seems like a distant friend, Harry is feeling let down as well. Martha Connors doesn't trust Peter, and Curt is in no position to throw stones! Oh my! What kind of mess has Peter gotten himself into, aside being Spider-Man and fighting outrageous people with extraordinary abilities. And to top it off, theres a bounty on Spider-Man, to be squashed.

So when the extraterrestrial symbiote finally arrives, I wonder if it will do what the 90's TAS/SM-3 did and turn Peter into a bad guy temporarily. It seems that if this were to happen, things are really going to become hectic with Peters struggle and how it will effect those around him. And finally, when Eddie Brock becomes Venom! I can't wait to see what kind of chaos follows afterwards. Agreed, I think it will affect Peters' pesonality and I think that might even drive Brock off the deep end. :up:

[Silver Spider]

omg i hope we see venom team up with spidey,carnage isnt that strong at all venom is spideys strongest villian not freakin carnage

Typical fanboy post lol.

Green Goblin is right man. I mean I'm a Venom die-hard, but in a one-on-one, no-holds-barred fight, Carnage would destroy Venom.

[Silver Spider]

Does anyone else think that Black suit Spidey will have a villain that he almost kills, and has the "what has this suit done to me" thing like in the old cartoon? If so, who do you think it would be?

Sorry if it's known whether this will happen or not.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Green Goblin is right man. I mean I'm a Venom die-hard, but in a one-on-one, no-holds-barred fight, Carnage would destroy Venom. Agreed, and it's been said that Carnage is stronger than Venom.

[Venomfan]

Green Goblin is right man. I mean I'm a Venom die-hard, but in a one-on-one, no-holds-barred fight, Carnage would destroy Venom.
except in the 90's TAS:cwink:

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, but it was TAS & only TAS, not the comics.

[Jick09]

Does anyone else think that Black suit Spidey will have a villain that he almost kills, and has the "what has this suit done to me" thing like in the old cartoon? If so, who do you think it would be?

Sorry if it's known whether this will happen or not.
I have a feeling that it will
maybe Doc Ock?

[Venom.X]

Will Black Cat's story coincide with the Alien Costume saga?

And before anyone says this has nothing to do with Venom, I was asking because maybe we could see an animate reinactment of Black Cat's 1st confrontation with Venom.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Will Black Cat's story coincide with the Alien Costume saga?

And before anyone says this has nothing to do with Venom, I was asking because maybe we could see an animate reinactment of Black Cat's 1st confrontation with Venom. It would be so awesome if that happened. Venom really beat the crap out of Black Cat in that Issue.

[Webhead2006]

well black cat is in ep 10 right and they said black suit is to be for a few episodes so people figure peter gets it in 10 has it to maybe 12 and then ep 12 and 13 are venom.

[Web-Head]

^ Black Cat always liked Spidey's black suit, so I'm guessing it's good to introduce her in that arc.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ Black Cat always liked Spidey's black suit, so I'm guessing it's good to introduce her in that arc. Yeah, and she even made him a regular black Spidey suit when he git rid of the alien one, which was kept in a chamber by Reed Richards, but later escaped.

[Web-Head]

Yeah, and she even made him a regular black Spidey suit when he git rid of the alien one, which was kept in a chamber by Reed Richards, but later escaped.

Proof, to why she had a thing for his black suit!:oldrazz: ^Ah, yes. Rebonding with Peter in WoSM #1 with the birth of the infamous bell tower scene.

[The Joker_1000]

So, how do you guys think Peter should obtain the symbiote in this version of the character?

[Ratcrawler]

Hopefully not something as ridiculously outlandish and coincidental as falling from sPace twenty feet away from a superhero who already survived a miraculous sPider-Bite that should have killed him and endowing him with enough strength to defeat two other superpowered enemies who only recently gained their abilities.

[Webhead2006]

my guess it will probably be simular to 90s series since we know it is a space origin for the symboite. But we wont know to spoilers/ep description comes out for ep he gets it.

[Arcturus]

I actually want them to do something different then the 90's tas, why follow that same path? I like the TAS origin, but it's already been done. Lets see something different. Have them pay tribute to the classic horror/sci-fi story, At the Mountains of Madness, as cool as that would be, I doubt they'll follow that.

Who knows.

[Ratcrawler]

I'd rather see something like sPider-Man fighting a villain at the Museum of Natural History and getting tossed into the meteorite exhibit. He gets smashed into one of them and gets a strange black residue staining the back of his costume. Ties up battle with villain, goes home, removes costume and goes to sleep. Laste shot of the episode being something like the stain growing.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I think it arriving someplace on earth whether it's by meteor or by John Jameson's space capsule, which I find more likely.

[Venom 1988]

I'd rather see something like sPider-Man fighting a villain at the Museum of Natural History and getting tossed into the meteorite exhibit. He gets smashed into one of them and gets a strange black residue staining the back of his costume. Ties up battle with villain, goes home, removes costume and goes to sleep. Laste shot of the episode being something like the stain growing.
I like that idea, the symbiote has been on Earth for years in the museum, yet no one even knew. Plus it kinda reminds me of Secret Wars of Spidey "releasing" it.

[Ratcrawler]

Um, yeah pretty much. I like my version (duh lol) because it makes it seem like the symbiote has been waiting forever for somebody or something to release it from its rocky prison and it took someone of sPidey's strength and durability to do the job. Not just sheer chance that they meet.

[Arcturus]

Good idea, but you'd think all the scientists who would have studied it, cut samples from the meteorite and researched it very closely before finally putting it up to display would have released the symbiote beforehand.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, I think it arriving someplace on earth whether it's by meteor or by John Jameson's space capsule, which I find more likely.


I think they should go a new way of giving him the symbiote as that was done in the 1990's AS.

[Arcturus]

Well let's take a look at the various origins of the symbiote;

1) Secret War- This is overly complicated, to many superheros and simply wont work. I've never been a fan of this bland origin.

2) Spider-Man TAS 90- Good origin, perhaps one of my favorites, but as I mentioned already, it's been done, lets see something new.

3) Ultimate Spider-Man- I like this origin. But the writers said the symbiote will be alien, so scratch this off the list.

4) Spider-Man 3- I like this origin as well. Despite the meteorite landing right in the same area as Spider-Man.

5) ?

So, I wonder if we'll get something familiar or something entirely new. Only time will tell.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I am very curious about this. I mean, Ratcrawlers' idea is a very good one. However, What else is possible? We know it's from space and it's obviously an alien, but I doubt they are going to use anything that is going to be used. So yeah, I really think it might be something entirely new.

[The Joker_1000]

As long as they make sure that it's an alien symbiote, I'm fine with whatever new they've got.

[Spider-ManHero12]

As long as they make sure that it's an alien symbiote, I'm fine with whatever new they've got. Yeah, staying with the original way the Symbiote was made is always a great thing, IMO.

[The Joker_1000]

What they did with the symbiote in the Ultimate Spider-Man universe was interesting but yes, they need to stay with the original origin of the symbiote.

Btw, does anyone know how many episodes Peter will get in the symbiote?

[Arcturus]

So, what does everyone think of the design of Venom for the Spectacular Spider-Man. Personally, I think it's awesome. Yeah, I find it to be exaggerated but that seems to fit in the rest of the show design.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/eddiebrock2.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/VENOM2.jpg

[The Joker_1000]

The look of Eddie Brock/Venom in this series is pretty damn cool if you ask me. It definitely fits in with the rest, IMO.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So, what does everyone think of the design of Venom for the Spectacular Spider-Man. Personally, I think it's awesome. Yeah, I find it to be exaggerated but that seems to fit in the rest of the show design.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/eddiebrock2.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/VENOM2.jpg I think the look of Eddie Brock/Venom is awesome, IMO! Venom looks like he's been updated very little, but still has ALOT of aspects from the comics, so that's a very good thing. Also, I love how muscular Brock looks in this show. That's another aspect they gave the character for this show. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

This Venom is very hulking which I love for every version to be.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This Venom is very hulking Just like how Todd Macfarlanes' Venom was. :word::up:

[Ratcrawler]

Don't care for the baby teeth, other than that its solid.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, Venom needs to look ripped, that's how it's always been. I hope that this Venom is as much of a psycho as the version we got in TAS.

Btw, the baby teeth don't look too good but other than that everything else looks spectacular.

[The Joker_1000]

http://www.scifijapan.com/spidey3/venom01.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/bb/180px-Smvenom-10.png

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/d0/Ultimate_venom.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/VENOM2.jpg

[Jick09]

I'm looking forward to his voice, too.
the best one until now is the voice from the SM1 Game (PS).
let's see if they can make something good this time.

[E.Brock]

I'm looking forward to his voice, too.
the best one until now is the voice from the SM1 Game (PS).
let's see if they can make something good this time.


the sm1 game voice wasn't bad but it was missing the dual voice aspect. his voice in the ultimate spiderman video game was eh. Sounded like he snorting the whole time. His voice in marvel nemesis, that EA fighter they came out with was HORRENDOUS. SM3 was just topher's voice lowered. As far as the voice for the 90's animated series goes I dont think we will see a better depiction of the way Venom should sound. It sounded like Brock and the Symbiote were both talking at the same time. It was just deep enough and his yell / roar was defening and genuinely threatening. I also loved the deep growls the symbiote would make after he was done talking...perfection

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://www.scifijapan.com/spidey3/venom01.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/bb/180px-Smvenom-10.png

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/d0/Ultimate_venom.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/Arcturus_v4life/VENOM2.jpg :cwink: (I did not scan this)
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg122/Spider-ManHero12/venommmm.jpg?t=1206557078 (javascript:void(0);)

[The Joker_1000]

The 1990's animated series had the best Venom voice, it was creepy and it had a certain duality to it.

[uchiha_itachi]

^ yeah i loved that, he definitly needs one of those voices.

[Webhead2006]

didnt the eddie voice actor say in an interview not to long ago about how his venom voice is like.

[Spider-ManHero12]

didnt the eddie voice actor say in an interview not to long ago about how his venom voice is like. Yeah, he said he had to do 2 voices for Venom so that it would sound alien like. :up:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i knew he said something about two voices, so that should make people happy.

[E.Brock]

The 1990's animated series had the best Venom voice, it was creepy and it had a certain duality to it.

yea i just said that two posts above

[Silver Spider]

Don't care for the baby teeth, other than that its solid.

Same here. Although I'd prefer it if he looked a little more slick and shiny, to give the symbiote a slimy, gooey feel.

[Silver Spider]

Good idea, but you'd think all the scientists who would have studied it, cut samples from the meteorite and researched it very closely before finally putting it up to display would have released the symbiote beforehand.

Maybe it kept its self hidden from them, because it was waiting for someone as powerful as Spidey.

[raindog13]

The 1990's animated series had the best Venom voice, it was creepy and it had a certain duality to it.

My favorite Venom voice was the one from the 2000 Activision game. Not sure who the voice actor was but I think he did a great job.

[The Joker_1000]

I've never played that game but the best Venom voices were the ones from the 1990's animated series and from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've never played that game but the best Venom voices were the ones from the 1990's animated series and from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. The Spide-rMan game for Playstation1 was fantastic and it still is today.

[The Joker_1000]

I've played every new SM game for the PS2/Xbox but not for the PS1 except once on a demo & I had to fight the Scorpion.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've played every new SM game for the PS2/Xbox but not for the PS1 except once on a demo & I had to fight the Scorpion. Cool, I remember that demo. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

I know I'm not the only one who thinks Activision really feel off when they made the Spider-Man 3 video game.

[Ratcrawler]

Yeah, good times.

[Spider-ManHero12]

In the game, I loved how Venom said "sleeping on the job". It really was something Venom would defenitley say in the comics.

[JerseyJoker]

Wow that takes me back.

That PS1 Spider-Man game was maybe, until Spider-Man 2 Movie Game came out, my all time favorite Spidey game. It was so much fun to play, little mini contests inbetween the challanges.

And i remember you could have Alt. outfits too.

[The Joker_1000]

SM-2 is among one of the best superhero games ever along with Hulk: Ultimate Destruction and Marvel: Ultimate Alliance but after those games were made Activision really fell off the wagon.

[Jick09]

My favorite Venom voice was the one from the 2000 Activision game. Not sure who the voice actor was but I think he did a great job.that's what I'm saying.
I'd love to hear that voice again in this new Venom
I've never played that game but the best Venom voices were the ones from the 1990's animated series and from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.
what?
then you should, man. one of the best Spidey games. and you should hear Venom's voice in this game. it's the best, imo.

[The Joker_1000]

I probably won't get to playing the game. I might play Ultimate Spider-Man tonight, that game is awesome.

Anybody doing anything SM related tonight?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I probably won't get to playing the game. I might play Ultimate Spider-Man tonight, that game is awesome.

Anybody doing anything SM related tonight? Well, I jsut got done from reading Spider-Man: With Great Power Issue #3. It's a new Spidey comic Mini-series. :up:

[Silver Spider]

Anybody doing anything SM related tonight?

Of course. Like half of my entertainment is related to Spiderman

[Green Goblin 1964]

I probably won't get to playing the game. I might play Ultimate Spider-Man tonight, that game is awesome.

Anybody doing anything SM related tonight?You love getting off topic don't you? :o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Of course. Like half of my entertainment is related to Spiderman Agreed, in fact, almost all of my entertainment comes from Spidey. :up:

[Silver Spider]

Yeah, only 100 more posts until I can have an Avatar.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, only 100 more posts until I can have an Avatar. Cool! :yay:

Anyway, I'm really looknig foward to seeing how fast and powerful Venom is in this show. :up:

[Silver Spider]

Cool! :yay:

Anyway, I'm really looknig foward to seeing how fast and powerful Venom is in this show. :up:

I hope he's better than Spidey in every physical way. I know in some versions Venom has been stronger than him, but slower too, and I don't like that as much. I like how Spiderman would have to outsmart him, or use physcological warfare to win.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope he's better than Spidey in every physical way. I know in some versions Venom has been stronger than him, but slower too, and I don't like that as much. I like how Spiderman would have to outsmart him, or use physcological warfare to win. I'm sure Spidey will have to outsmart him in this show. Spidey did it in the comics, so I don't see why he wouldn't do it in this show. :up:

[CBGB]

The colour scheme I would've liked:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/343/venom111ib6.png
But I'm fine with the original design.

[IamProdigy]

See, it might just be me, but black looks weird on that shaped body of Venom, so I'm glad they chose the color that they're going with.

[Jick09]

The colour scheme I would've liked:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/343/venom111ib6.png
But I'm fine with the original design.
hey...I liked that more
good job

[Webhead2006]

well the cartoon image that appears on the crap toy box shows him to be black. but we wont know for sure how he will fully look untill official episode pictures come out.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, I jsut got done from reading Spider-Man: With Great Power Issue #3. It's a new Spidey comic Mini-series. :up:


I want to get my hands on more Spider-Man comics from when some of the villains were first introduced. More specifically, I want my hands on every single issue with Venom in it as well as the Lizard, the Green Goblin, and a few others. :word: