Is The Joker Hype reaching ridiculously high expectations?

[Figs]

More specifically, Joker is put in Arkham in the restraining jacket, laughing his ass off!


That's what I would want for the very last scene with Joker.

[Mr. Socko]

Is that the best way to recast the Joker though, someone who merely *looks* like Heath? It's not gonna fool us into thinking it's him or that the Joker hasn't changed. To me that's like casting Crispin Glover simply because he looks like the Joker. Different artists draw the Joker in the comics anyway. IMO it's best move on and get someone who can put their own twist on the role again and make it great in their own right. That should be priority, not looks. If you cast a lookalike you're basically saying you expect a repeat of Heaths performance. That's pointless.

I've been saying this for the longest, my thoughts exactly.

[Jokers Smile]

Here is how I want to see TDK end.

Joker is put in Arkham, we move on and focus on Two-face.

I prey every day that this is how it will end. If they're not going to kill off Joker in TDK then fair enough but end the charcter by putting him in Arkham and not have to recast

[Sonki]

Is that the best way to recast the Joker though, someone who merely *looks* like Heath? It's not gonna fool us into thinking it's him or that the Joker hasn't changed. To me that's like casting Crispin Glover simply because he looks like the Joker. Different artists draw the Joker in the comics anyway. IMO it's best move on and get someone who can put their own twist on the role again and make it great in their own right. That should be priority, not looks. If you cast a lookalike you're basically saying you expect a repeat of Heaths performance. That's pointless.
The thing is that Joseph Gorden Levitt has proven he is a capable actor. I agree with you in all areas, but Levitt is only my choice simply on his acting abilities.

Him resembling Heath Ledger is only a plus.

[Nepenthes]

^ That's cool then though keep in mind if the mainsteam public see a Ledger lookalike then they're going to assume certain things as well. The casting itself is a statement about the movie and it's direction. Casting an an actor than it an obvious depatue fom Ledger says "we're moving on" while a lookalike is like saying "lets pretend the first guy didn't die", regardless of whether he's a good actor or his perfomance is different. It could still lead to raised eyebrows about the film.

I havn't seen Joeseph Gordon Levitt in any recent stuff but I heard he was very good in something or rather lately. I always did like him though from 3rd rock and some other decent movie I was saw. I know it sucks that a potentially geat actor could be ruled out simply because he does resembles Ledger, but it would be for the best imo. My top picks are still Ryan Gosling, Benecio Del Too and Christopher Moltisanti.

[doctorkenyon]

I don't really think they look that similar.

JGL convinced me of his acting ability with Brick. I don't know if he could pull off the same kind of intense performance as Ledger, but then I didn't know Heath could do it until I saw it.

[Rikxiepoo]

Here is how I want to see TDK end.

Joker is put in Arkham, we move on and focus on Two-face.

...and then at the end of Batman 3 have Gordon say Joker has escaped Arkham :cwink:. This way you wouldn't need to recast and the story would not be damaged. It would be the perfect end to the trilogy.

[Mr. Socko]

Heath Ledger's departure has no bearing on the ending of TDK as it had long since been filmed. We can only ponder how the film is suppose to end because it's not like Nolan has went back and filmed a new ending for the Joker because Heath died. Does he go to Arkham? Does he face an ambiguous death? Does he just 'disappear,' the biggest problem would be if Joker simply escapes and Nolan filmed a scene with Gordon and Batman talking about capturing him just as with Scarecrow in BB. That pretty much would guarantee Joker would need to return for the third movie.

[MegaGeek]

Is that the best way to recast the Joker though, someone who merely *looks* like Heath? It's not gonna fool us into thinking it's him or that the Joker hasn't changed. To me that's like casting Crispin Glover simply because he looks like the Joker. Different artists draw the Joker in the comics anyway. IMO it's best move on and get someone who can put their own twist on the role again and make it great in their own right. That should be priority, not looks. If you cast a lookalike you're basically saying you expect a repeat of Heaths performance. That's pointless.

I also agree 100 percent. Thats why I was so open to the idea of Heath being cast as joker. He doesnt look like him so hes going to have to be able to bring something to the role, and as per trailer it looks like thats going to be an amazing preformance. If all Nolen wanted was someone who looks like the Joker cast for the 3rd one (if he is indeed in it) he need look no futher then that ugly $#@ Adrien Brody.

[Mr. Socko]

Adrien Brody as the Joker? No, but I always thought he would make a great Alberto Falcone.

[CaptainClown]

Adrien Brody as the Joker? No, but I always thought he would make a great Alberto Falcone.
That would be pretty awesome

[MegaGeek]

Adrien Brody as the Joker? No, but I always thought he would make a great Alberto Falcone.
I doubt he could pull it off too. Im just saying if all Nolan wanted was some actor who in white make up and green hair looked like the joker, that lanky, gangly weirdo would fit the bill.

[CaptainClown]

Really? He doesn't look like Joker at all to me if you wanted that traditional look.

[MegaGeek]

Really? He doesn't look like Joker at all to me if you wanted that traditional look.
I think im gonig more for "the man who laughs" look. Ie skinny, big nose, long chin, ugly. lol

[CaptainClown]

He still hardly looks like Adrian well to me he doesn't

[MegaGeek]

He still hardly looks like Adrian well to me he doesn't
Well sir, you’re entitled to your opinion.

[Mr. Socko]

There's a panel of The Killing Joke where Joker looks a bit like Brody, and before the accident, he looks like Alan Cumming.

[MegaGeek]

There's a panel of The Killing Joke where Joker looks a bit like Brody, and before the accident, he looks like Alan Cumming.
Yea I could totally see Alan Cumming in that panel you refer too. Either way, lets be thankfull that nolan doesnt go out looking for people who just "look" like the character.. *cough* Brian Singer's Superman *cough*

[Muziko]

I think Josh Hartnett could pull it off. He has the same build as Heath (tall, skinny) and has a deep voice like Heath's. I think he has the acting chops also... Of course this is all for continuity's sake...

[The Battousai]

I think Josh Hartnett could pull it off. He has the same build as Heath (tall, skinny) and has a deep voice like Heath's. I think he has the acting chops also... Of course this is all for continuity's sake...

The only time his acting wasn't poor was in 30 Days of Night. You do the math there...

[Muziko]

I thought he did pretty well in "Lucky Number Slevin". Then again, I haven't seen him in many movies.

[deathfromabove]

There's a panel of The Killing Joke where Joker looks a bit like Brody, and before the accident, he looks like Alan Cumming.

there is also a panel or two where he looks like heath imo("you think you think i dont care or its all a big joke to me or something...")

a little bit in the panel prior as well...

[MegaGeek]

I think Josh Hartnett could pull it off. He has the same build as Heath (tall, skinny) and has a deep voice like Heath's. I think he has the acting chops also... Of course this is all for continuity's sake...
GOOD LORD, please NO!! I would rather see prince play the joker then that meat head

[Muziko]

LoL...

Sorry for the suggestion

[MegaGeek]

LoL...

Sorry for the suggestion

lol..no that was my bad. I mean who knows right? I just cant stand that actor is all

[Mr. Socko]

I like him, but I wouldn't want him as the Joker.

[Muziko]

I made the comment thinking about physical characteristics - but I don't know if he'd be talented enough to do what Ledger has done (from what co-stars/directors etc... have said) The only other person that I've seen (big screen) doing something like that with characters - and that I see as possible casting choice for Joker is Johnny Depp. He's done his fair share of weird movies... but you gotta give it to him - he's an excellent actor.

[Muziko]

lol..no that was my bad. I mean who knows right? I just cant stand that actor is all

No problem... I thought it was funny how two of you automatically replied "hell no" to the suggestion.

[MegaGeek]

I made the comment thinking about physical characteristics - but I don't know if he'd be talented enough to do what Ledger has done (from what co-stars/directors etc... have said) The only other person that I've seen (big screen) doing something like that with characters - and that I see as possible casting choice for Joker is Johnny Depp. He's done his fair share of weird movies... but you gotta give it to him - he's an excellent actor.

totally agree with you. I still have reservations about Depp though.

on a side note I doubt the joker will even be in the 3rd film. Us batfans will probably have to wait another 20 years to see Mr J on the silver screen again.

[The Battousai]

I thought he did pretty well in "Lucky Number Slevin". Then again, I haven't seen him in many movies.

He's the same in almost every movie - and it's usually not interesting

[LongHalloween]

I think WB is creating high expectations with the virals that went on. Ledger is a genius and I doubt he will disappoint.

[Nightwing1977]

Adrien Brody as the Joker? No, but I always thought he would make a great Alberto Falcone.

You know, Brody as Alberto doesn't sound too bad. He has quite the skinny shape & nose look for him with how Sale draw the character. :up:

[Doc Samson]

totally agree with you. I still have reservations about Depp though.

on a side note I doubt the joker will even be in the 3rd film. Us batfans will probably have to wait another 20 years to see Mr J on the silver screen again.

I suggested Depp before Ledger was announced, simply because he's played those quirky weirdo roles so many times that I can kinda see how he would play it. Thats partially why I was happy about Ledger getting the shot, because nobody (even still) knows exactly how he's gonna do this. But just for the record, mix sweeney todd, jack sparrow, willy wonka & edward scissorhands, and thats pretty damn close to a Joker

[-Crusher-]

thats just it, he always plays the weird insane types. if he plays joker people will be like,"oh wow, whats a surprise":whatever:

[Crook]

More like "oh s**it, Depp is playing the Joker! Sweet!"

:huh:

[Gianakin_]

More like "oh s**it, Depp is playing the Joker! Sweet!"

Agreed.

[-Crusher-]

i love depp, but as i have said, dep playing joker= :down:

[dollarbill]

well for me I think Depp would do wonders in the role of the Joker than Ledger. Just because the man died he's automatically a legendary actor.:whatever:

[Gianakin_]

well for me I think Depp would do wonders in the role of the Joker than Ledger. Just because the man died he's automatically a legendary actor.:whatever:

Yeah, because he wasn't being called a great actor before his death.

[StylishHokie21]

i love depp, but as i have said, dep playing joker= :down:

Agreed.

[Drummerdude7]

well for me I think Depp would do wonders in the role of the Joker than Ledger. Just because the man died he's automatically a legendary actor.:whatever:

that's not true at all....he was nominated for an oscar for Brokeback mountain, along with his acting in some other good films.

as for depp taking over as joker, it'd be interesting to see.....i wouldn't completely rule it out....but i've seen so much johnny depp in films in the past few years that i don't know how i'd react to it

=P

[RoboAmish]

Depp would be a fine Joker but you'd know exactly what to expect. Probably just a darker version of Jack Sparrow!!!

[Crook]

Because we all know Depp plays most of his roles the same way. :dry:

[RoboAmish]

meh, good point
I think what I'm trying to say is, we've seen him play similar kinds of dark characters before. He'd play him well and we'd get an enjoyable preformance (though probably slightly Bruton-esque) but it wouldn't be streching himself much or much of a surprise

[Crook]

I really couldn't care less how much of a "stretch" it would be in his usual acting zone. Point is, he has the look of the Joker, and we all know he'd deliver a damn good performance.

I really don't see what's more to ask of an actor. It's not a contest for who could be most diverse. It's a question of who can pull off this role.

[RoboAmish]

ok man point taken
I guess I'm only trying to find holes in the theory of Depp as Joker. But I'm one of those against the recasting of The Joker. But Depp is probably the outstanding candidate and would put in a solid preformance. But no other name springs to mind for me personally

[TNC9852002]

One unescapable fact: Nolan would never cast Johnny Depp for the Joker.

-TNC

[-Crusher-]

One unescapable fact: Nolan would never cast Johnny Depp for the Joker.

-TNC
:up: :woot:

[Hole Shot]

Yea I could totally see Alan Cumming in that panel you refer too. Either way, lets be thankfull that nolan doesnt go out looking for people who just "look" like the character.. *cough* Brian Singer's Superman *cough*

A little off topic but I give Routh credit, Singer wanted him to mimic Reeves and not create his take on the character and I think Routh nailed it.


As for any other person that could play Joker. I don't have any idea. I know I don't want any of the Bettany/Glover/Hulme/Brody suggestions from prior to Heath's casting nor do I want the kid from Third Rock from the Son like some have suggested.

I think if they were to recast it should be a pick from totally out of leftfield like Heath. And I think the new actor should draw inspiration from Heath but still find ways to make it his own character.

[Nepenthes]

This feels weird just saying it, but what about Leonardo DiCaprio as the Joker? You'd have to dirty him up real good but think about it for a second. He has the energy and the insight as an actor to get deep into a role; he can do very different roles but he's never played a villain; he can do a twisted version of his usual charming and happy self, and he has the appropriate facial features and physique. I actually think he'd be very unnerving and surreal.

I remember a quote from Berjemo about Ledger "They took Hollywoods pretty boy and just completely fcked up his face!....that's such a Joker thing do". The quote shouldn't be just taken literally it also descibes a much broader quality that makes Ledger as the Joker so intruiging. I think the same would apply to Leo just as much.

[Hole Shot]

This feels weird just saying it, but what about Leonardo DiCaprio as the Joker? You'd have to dirty him up real good but think about it for a second. He has the energy and the insight as an actor to get deep into a role; he can do very different roles but he's never played a villain; he can do a twisted version of his usual charming and happy self, and he has the appropriate facial features and physique. I actually think he'd be very unnerving and surreal.

I remember a quote from Berjemo about Ledger "They took Hollywoods pretty boy and just completely fcked up his face!....that's such a Joker thing do". The quote shouldn't be just taken literally it also descibes a much broader quality that makes Ledger as the Joker so intruiging. I think the same would apply to Leo just as much.

That's not a half bad idea at all, you got the age and physique right and I certainly believe he has the acting ability and it would be a casting very much in the same spirit as Heath's in the way you described. From the initial reaction of Heath's casting to the actual product he's given us so far with the character, I could honestly take the "Faith in Nolan" line with a Leo casting as Joker.

Anyone want to give a swing at a manip?
http://movies.go.com/i/features/galleries/departedpremiere/departedpremiere_1.jpg

[Nightwing1977]

One unescapable fact: Nolan would never cast Johnny Depp for the Joker.

-TNC

Yep. Nolan made the smart move with getting an actor that you wouldn't expect in a role like Joker (especially with how Ledger supposely hate comic book movies) & it seem to be working with how great Ledger seem to be doing so far from the trailer & prologue. :hoboj::up:

[saberewok]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?

[TheDarkVictory]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?

im sorry- have you seen any of the trailers or prologue?

[HUMANIMAL]

is the joker hype reaching rid.......NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;-) mat damon and leo ...both jokerized????

[donk70]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?
Exactly.

I'm dreading it as we get closer to July 18th as there will be more PR released and the press and WB is going to be stirring the pot. Then after the release we're going to have to hear how fanboys watched the movie with tears in their eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see the movie and plan on going to the midnight showing, but I can do without all of the extra fanfare. Let the man rest in peace. Please, enjoy his craft and the performance that he turned in, but please also be unbiased when watching his performance. I don't think any actor would want you to enjoy their role just because it was one of their last ones. They want you to enjoy it for the effort and talent that they put into it.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?

I disagree about his acting ability... I think Heath Ledger was a rare talent in Hollywood. A great actor who choose his role carefully and not just for publicity or money.

And he was 28... he would have grown even more as an actor as he got older.

[HUMANIMAL]

I disagree about his acting ability... I think Heath Ledger was a rare talent in Hollywood. A great actor who choose his role carefully and not just for publicity or money.

And he was 28... he would have grown even more as an actor as he got older.
yeah they always better think ...:"am i better than ledger could have been" ????

[kyuubijavi1]

How can we really say the hype is getting to high when the only thing we know for sure about this movie is how great Joker will be

I mean damn we all saw the first 6 mins of the movie by now and that plan could have only been cooked up by the mind of are white faced friend

we know he takes control of the mob by the looks of the 3rd trailer

he burns down all there money

kills two of the top figure heads in gothom

drives batman to the brink of destruction holds the whole city hostage

and all this might just be half of what he really does in this movie that is some major stuff we dont need to worry bout the hype when we know its getting delevered

Heath's performance is great so far his voice is raspy and scary the way he walks talks moves even licking his lips makes you go damn that guy is crazy

so this joker will please almost all the fans so I'm sure i can guaranty that if your looking for something to let you down bout the joker it will only be that he cant come back in the next film cause of tragic events in real life

[Omega Wizard]

Yes, yes it is.

Nuff said.

[Die Laughing]

There wouldn't be any hype if the bits and pieces that Warner Brothers have given us of the Joker weren't so wicked looking. I don't think the hype is too much. I think it more as deserved excitement.

Interesting (above somewhere) on the choice of replacing Heath with Leo. But if the joker does appear in the next movie, it is either going to be a play up as closely to Heath as possible, or totally come out with yet another style of the Joker. Even though your a good actor an imitation job is going to look sappy (in my view) no matter how hard you try. Everybody has different strengths and should draw on those.

:hoboj:-Ahahahaha!

[super17]

I'm a little bit concerned regarding the whole issue about the amount of screen time The Joker will have in this movie. I'm aware, as everyone else is, about how the movie is primarly focused on Bruce/Harvy, where the Joker shows up through the movie in a "Jaws-like" fashion. But exactly what does that mean, how much of the Joker will we acually see? From what people are saying vs what I've seen in the trailers, and other promotional adds, I'm pretty confused...

Will he have about as much screen time as Scarecrow did in the previous film? ...Or, will he have say, the amount of screen time that Falcone, Scarecrow, and Raz had combined in Begins...being the primary focus of the Villian side in TDK.

I'm not expecting a Batman '89 remake in any way, regarding the Joker, but I just don't want to see one of my favorite fictional characters of all time play so small of a role, ala Scarecrow in Begins...

Some feed back would be awsome :csad: ...

[Die Laughing]

I'm a little bit concerned regarding the whole issue about the amount of screen time The Joker will have in this movie. I'm aware, as everyone else is, about how the movie is primarly focused on Bruce/Harvy, where the Joker shows up through the movie in a "Jaws-like" fashion. But exactly what does that mean, how much of the Joker will we acually see? From what people are saying vs what I've seen in the trailers, and other promotional adds, I'm pretty confused...

Will he have about as much screen time as Scarecrow did in the previous film? ...Or, will he have say, the amount of screen time that Falcone, Scarecrow, and Raz had combined in Begins...being the primary focus of the Villian side in TDK.

I'm not expecting a Batman '89 remake in any way, regarding the Joker, but I just don't want to see one of my favorite fictional characters of all time play so small of a role, ala Scarecrow in Begins...

Some feed back would be awsome :csad: ...

Good point. I am happily assuming that the Joker will steal half the movie (my wish). We know that he has so many different appearances from the trailers; I think he will have far more screen time than the Scarecrow did in BB.

But yea, I totally agree, it would suck if the movie felt as if there could have been more of him. But then again, BB eluded to the Joker solely, so I think in that gesture, we should get a good amount.

:hoboj:-Ahahahahaha!

[redfirebird2008]

Exactly.

I'm dreading it as we get closer to July 18th as there will be more PR released and the press and WB is going to be stirring the pot. Then after the release we're going to have to hear how fanboys watched the movie with tears in their eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see the movie and plan on going to the midnight showing, but I can do without all of the extra fanfare. Let the man rest in peace. Please, enjoy his craft and the performance that he turned in, but please also be unbiased when watching his performance. I don't think any actor would want you to enjoy their role just because it was one of their last ones. They want you to enjoy it for the effort and talent that they put into it.

I was blown away by it BEFORE he died and my feelings about it have not changed at all. As soon as I saw some footage (trailer and prologue), I knew that he had done a great job.

[Manosman]

Depp would be a fine Joker but you'd know exactly what to expect. Probably just a darker version of Jack Sparrow!!!


I for one am against re-casting the joker for this franchise.

If Ledger does as well as most of us think hes going to do, someone replacing him mimicking his joker won't be as good, and if they do their own thing, it would screw up the "consistency" of the franchise, (holmes/maggie is fine by me, because that character is not the joker)

on the other side of things, if they do their own thing or even mimick him and actually do it better or on par as heath (looks almost impossible to do) it would be like, oh well heaths performance wasnt that great I mean look depp or leo did it just as good if not better, kind of disrespectful to heath.

I don't see Nolan recasting, if he does I don't see him choosing depp, but if he did I dont see depp accepting, he's already doing a tribute to him in dr. padfrafddafwree (whatever its called) so I don't see him wanting to be a "heath replacement" in another movie, (even though what he's doing for DR. P is a great gesture of respect)

Just the way I see things.

[Mr. Superhero]

This feels weird just saying it, but what about Leonardo DiCaprio as the Joker?
My friend, I've maintained for a long time that Di Caprio would make a fantastic Joker, only he lacks Heath's height.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper932/stills/3e39bcb3a45f5-74-1.jpg

You stick this guy in some crazy make-up and there's your Joker.

[Banquet]

DiCaprio would have the "look" of Heath's Joker but I'll be pretty disappointed if the part is recast for a third movie. I wouldn't go see it, as far as I'm concerned now. But luckly I don't really see that happening anyway.

[Jokers_Wild]

I was blown away by it BEFORE he died and my feelings about it have not changed at all. As soon as I saw some footage (trailer and prologue), I knew that he had done a great job.

Exactly. People act as if the only reason you'd enjoy his performance is because the man died, but not because it was ever that good. That is going to seriously get on my nerves. If Ledger is nominated for awards, people will say it's out of sympathy and emotion, not because he truly deserved it. The buzz about Heath's take on the Joker was coming out last summer when filming was still going on, and the trailer that rocked the fanboys world was released in December. All the plaudits he will receive, he will justly deserve for the performance, not because he died tragically.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

My friend, I've maintained for a long time that Di Caprio would make a fantastic Joker, only he lacks Heath's height.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper932/stills/3e39bcb3a45f5-74-1.jpg

You stick this guy in some crazy make-up and there's your Joker.

Oh ya that easy huh? I really dont think so!

[The Joker]

I'm a little bit concerned regarding the whole issue about the amount of screen time The Joker will have in this movie. I'm aware, as everyone else is, about how the movie is primarly focused on Bruce/Harvy, where the Joker shows up through the movie in a "Jaws-like" fashion. But exactly what does that mean, how much of the Joker will we acually see? From what people are saying vs what I've seen in the trailers, and other promotional adds, I'm pretty confused...

Will he have about as much screen time as Scarecrow did in the previous film? ...Or, will he have say, the amount of screen time that Falcone, Scarecrow, and Raz had combined in Begins...being the primary focus of the Villian side in TDK.

I'm not expecting a Batman '89 remake in any way, regarding the Joker, but I just don't want to see one of my favorite fictional characters of all time play so small of a role, ala Scarecrow in Begins...

Some feed back would be awsome :csad: ...

I think what Nolan meant when he compared Joker to the shark in Jaws, is that Joker is the primary cause of all the murder and mayhem in the story. He just shows up without any backstory or explanation as to who he is or where he came from, and causes havoc. It's quite obvious he has alot of screen time judging by the trailers alone. I hardly think he meant Joker is going to have as much screen time as the shark did in Jaws lol.

Oh and think of Batman, Gordon, and Dent as Quint, Chief Brody, and Matt Hooper :cwink:

[abcdefz]

My friend, I've maintained for a long time that Di Caprio would make a fantastic Joker, only he lacks Heath's height.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper932/stills/3e39bcb3a45f5-74-1.jpg

You stick this guy in some crazy make-up and there's your Joker.



He can be an autistic Joker.

"WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!"

[starscream]

i still have not seen te prologue :(


edit: oke i saw the pro :)

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

He can be an autistic Joker.

"WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!"

LOL

[The Senator]

I'm just afraid that after all this hype, I might leave the theater wanting or expecting more. It seems like folks have put Ledger's performance on a pretty high pedestal. I don't want this to be a case where the weight of the performance doesn't match the hype.

[abcdefz]

I wouldn't have been too nuts if I'd heard months of hype about Anthony Hopkins before I saw Silence of the Lambs when it dropped. Even with all the good will in the world, I probably would've read that performance as hammy. Luckily, the Ledger footage looks pretty fresh and inventive, mostly, so hopefully the performance will hold.

Plus, he really is solid: Lords of Dogtown, Brokeback Mountain, Monster's Ball... heck, he (and Bettany) even managed to make A Knight's Tale watchable, and lord knows Ledger's role there was pretty one-dimensional and thankless, and that movie shouldn't havee worked at all...

I think we'll be okay.

[figsy]

DiCaprio would have the "look" of Heath's Joker but I'll be pretty disappointed if the part is recast for a third movie. I wouldn't go see it, as far as I'm concerned now. But luckly I don't really see that happening anyway.

You really wouldn't watch the third installment if Ledger was recast? It seems a little early to be getting defensive about his portrayal of the joker don't ya think? Considering, y'know, that you haven't seen the movie yet?

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

[The Senator]

I wouldn't have been too nuts if I'd heard months of hype about Anthony Hopkins before I saw Silence of the Lambs when it dropped. Even with all the good will in the world, I probably would've read that performance as hammy. Luckily, the Ledger footage looks pretty fresh and inventive, mostly, so hopefully the performance will hold.

Plus, he really is solid: Lords of Dogtown, Brokeback Mountain, Monster's Ball... heck, he (and Bettany) even managed to make A Knight's Tale watchable, and lord knows Ledger's role there was pretty one-dimensional and thankless, and that movie shouldn't havee worked at all...

I think we'll be okay.

I don't really know if you can judge spot-on how an actor will be in a film based on his past work. It gives a good indication of how he will be, but it doesn't give the whole picture. I won't really be able to judge him until I see the movie, and I'm only afraid that what I'll see may not reach my really high expectations.

[The Senator]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

In all fairness, people said similar things about Heath Ledger when he was cast as the Joker. He didn't become as hyped as he is now until sometime last summer, when pics and plot details started to be released.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You cant truly judge no, but you can make an opinion based off of what you've seen the other films an actors been in. When Ledger was cast I wasnt one of the people flipping out on here, I just waited til I saw some pics and heard his Joker voice, then the footage I was bought. But some actors I just cant see filling the shoes of certain characters.

[Dendawen]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.


You mean the same way most people didn't take Heath seriously when they found out he was going to do it? I'm not saying Leo would or wouldn't be a good joker just pointing out you're assuming a lot of the same things people did about Heath.

Not that it really matters as I doubt he'll recast anyways.

edit - hmm nevermind. it seems you answered my post above which i didn't see.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You mean the same way most people didn't take Heath seriously when they found out he was going to do it? I'm not saying Leo would or wouldn't be a good joker just pointing out you're assuming a lot of the same things people did about Heath.

Not that it really matters as I doubt he'll recast anyways.

edit - hmm nevermind. it seems you answered my post above which i didn't see.

Read my post above, I explain my reasoning. Im not against casting someone against the grain of what people expect, usually for me it works, sometimes its awful. I just cant see some actors portraying specific characters, I mean thats just my opinion.

[Keyser Soze]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor?

That's a double-edged sword. On the other hand, even if the performance is absolutely stunning, and gets deserved praise, you'll get people who'll just dismiss it all and say it's only well-received because of the sympathy factor.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

That's a double-edged sword. On the other hand, even if the performance is absolutely stunning, and gets deserved praise, you'll get people who'll just dismiss it all and say it's only well-received because of the sympathy factor.

Thats the way Hollywood is and always will be.

[BatmanFan]

If this isn't in the appropriate thread/forum, please merge as needed :up:. I've been reading alot of comments around here lately, and I decided to write up this short essay concerning my fear that people are setting insatiable expectations concerning Heath Ledger's performance.

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Is it wise for people to go into “The Dark Knight” under the notion that they are about to witness a guaranteed Oscar nominated performance? Is it wise to convince yourself that this will be the greatest villainous role of the last decade, so long before the movie’s release?


you make it sound as if we are talking about a college career or something important, its just a movie... if you go in with big expectations or not, who cares? wise? talk like that should be reserved for things that matter, not some movie

[weezerspider]

This thread would have never been made if Spiderman 3 didn't flop. Now, all comic fans fear that a hyped superhero movie is going to suck. A lot of people said Iron Man was going to be a let down just for the sake of not being disapointed. That movie was great. I don't think anyone needs to worry about Ledger's performance, or the movie itself, being over-hyped. Does Ledger diserve Oscar talk? no, not yet anyway, but people are still going to talk. And lets be honest, hyped movies have a better chance of being bad than hyped performances(theres been some not-so-great movies with fantastic performances by an individual), so if we should worry about anything, it should be that the movie itself is too hyped, not Joker.

[super17]

you make it sound as if we are talking about a college career or something important, its just a movie... if you go in with big expectations or not, who cares? wise? talk like that should be reserved for things that matter, not some movie

lol, You're in a discussion forum for The Dark Knight, a Batman film. Your preaching to the wrong crowd here

[BatmanFanatic]

lol, You're in a discussion forum for The Dark Knight, a Batman film. Your preaching to the wrong crowd here

Well I mean I'm completely obsessed with the film and all that... but because I'm obsessed, if someone offered me the script to the movie I'd read it in a heartbeat - twice. So I just don't get people saying it's not "wise" to spoil the film for yourself or get your expectations up really high... I think the filmmakers want our expectations to be high, and I think they want us to be somewhat spoiled by all the viral games and hints they've been giving us, so of course its only natural if they tease us to be curious and to try to figure it out.

[Rory Gets Paid]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

[super17]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.
I 100% agree. I've always been saying that as well. DDL FTW

[Figs]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.


I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.:oldrazz:

[Rory Gets Paid]

I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.:oldrazz:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion...if nothing else. :whatever:

[Hole Shot]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only man capable of filling Heath's shoes for the role of the Joker in a third installment (and perhaps the one actor who could actually get away with putting his own spin on what Heath started) would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

Too old, I think part of the reason for casting Heath was the closeness in age to Bale. That's why I still like the idea of Leo.

[Figs]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion...if nothing else. :whatever:


Keep rolling your eyes, you know the DDL thing is true.


Now where was that thread in Community about the signs of fanboys.


Seriously...if people had picked him as someone they would want as the Joker before Heath was announced and There Will Be Blood was made I wouldn't have a problem.

Out of all the posts I've read before, during and after the announcement of who will play the Joker no one mentioned DDL as someone they would want.

[Hole Shot]

Out of all the posts I've read before, during and after the announcement of who will play the Joker no one mentioned DDL as someone they would want.

Because it would be like recasting Christian Bale with Harrison Ford.

[Figs]

Because it would be like recasting Christian Bale with Harrison Ford.

I wasn't only talking about the recasting but when it was first announced who would play Joker in The Dark Knight.

No one had said anything like "I want DDL to play the Joker" or "They should get DDL for the Joker".

My earlier point was that his name is getting brought up as a possible pick for a recast only because he won the Oscar for There Will Be Blood.

If that movie had not come out you wouldn't be seeing anyone bringing up his name for a recast of the Joker.

[Hole Shot]

I wasn't only talking about the recasting but when it was first announced who would play Joker in The Dark Knight.

No one had said anything like "I want DDL to play the Joker" or "They should get DDL for the Joker".

My earlier point was that his name is getting brought up as a possible pick for a recast only because he won the Oscar for There Will Be Blood.

If that movie had not come out you wouldn't be seeing anyone bringing up his name for a recast of the Joker.

Jett brought him up in a article a couple days ago. And I think he was using DDL as an example of the caliber of acting ability required to replace Heath, not him specifically. Even without the 2 Best Acting Oscars, DDL has been regarded as one of the best screen actors in business for a long time now.

[bullets]

DDL is a great actor but will not be replacing Heath as the Joker. There are numerous people that could probably do a good job with the role but it wont happen . It would be weird for everyone invovled .

[Figs]

Jett brought him up in a article a couple days ago. And I think he was using DDL as an example of the caliber of acting ability required to replace Heath, not him specifically. Even without the 2 Best Acting Oscars, DDL has been regarded as one of the best screen actors in business for a long time now.


I don't go over to BoF and I don't care what Jett has to say either.

Your missing my point.

I agree DDL is one of the best actors in the business.

What I have been saying is, ever since people started talking about possible recasts(on these boards at least, I don't go to any others)after Heath's death, DDL's name has been brought up in typical fanboy fashion.

If he had never made There Will Be Blood most of the fanboys wouldn't have thought to pick him.

It's the typical fanboy thing of picking who's "hot" for whatever roles are being discussed.

Like I said already, before There Will Be Blood was out and before they had announced Heath would be playing Joker no one mentioned DDL as a possible Joker.

It's only since he won the Oscar and fans started talking about replacements was he getting picked as one. If he hadn't made There Will Be Blood and fans were speculating on who could replace Heath...I doubt DDL's name would have came up.

[Hole Shot]

I get what you're saying.

[Hole Shot]

Leo dosent have what it takes to be The Joker, I for one WOULD NOT take him seriously.

I could have said the same thing about Heath Ledger two years ago.

[inflames]

I'd put my money on DDL

[fear&loathing]

ddl would never have any interest to play the joker. not his type of movie, he's a real serious actor. unless the script was the most amazing thing to come along and land in his lap (which im sure great things have and will continue to).

[SheldonLevene]

ddl would never have any interest to play the joker. not his type of movie, he's a real serious actor. unless the script was the most amazing thing to come along and land in his lap (which im sure great things have and will continue to).

That and he has too much respect for Ledger. I don't think he would feel it appropriate to take over under such circumstances.

[SheldonLevene]

I don't go over to BoF and I don't care what Jett has to say either.

Your missing my point.

I agree DDL is one of the best actors in the business.

What I have been saying is, ever since people started talking about possible recasts(on these boards at least, I don't go to any others)after Heath's death, DDL's name has been brought up in typical fanboy fashion.

If he had never made There Will Be Blood most of the fanboys wouldn't have thought to pick him.

It's the typical fanboy thing of picking who's "hot" for whatever roles are being discussed.

Like I said already, before There Will Be Blood was out and before they had announced Heath would be playing Joker no one mentioned DDL as a possible Joker.

It's only since he won the Oscar and fans started talking about replacements was he getting picked as one. If he hadn't made There Will Be Blood and fans were speculating on who could replace Heath...I doubt DDL's name would have came up.

I actually thought he was better in Gangs, so this doesn't really hold true (for me at least), that and I don't think he is right for it.

[Crook]

I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.:oldrazz:
DDL was actually a popular choice for Ra's, back in the day.

There Will Be Blood was hardly what caught people's attentions. I'd say for the modern audience (i.e. teens and young adults), it was actually his role in Gangs of NY that lured people to his side. His latest movie and Oscar just brought him back to the forefront after a hiatus.

[adamwe]

The hype around Ledger is so ridiculous. It will be interesting to see how professional critics will be. Ledger is not the greatest actor that has ever graced Hollywood. Are they gonna based his performace on emotions and sympathy factor? I based it on Michael Caine's evaluation of his performance before Heath's passed away. He raved about the performance.

[adamwe]

ddl would never have any interest to play the joker. not his type of movie, he's a real serious actor. unless the script was the most amazing thing to come along and land in his lap (which im sure great things have and will continue to).
Wasn't Heath's type of movie either.

[ironbeast90]

Wasn't Heath's type of movie either.

*ahem A Knights Tale...Lords of Dogtown cough cough

nevertheless, Id prefer it if Heaths Joker was never replaced in the third movie. I want to remember the Dark Knight as being the iconic 'joker movie' and the third as the 'Two Face finale'.

[super17]

I ****ing guarantee that if Daniel Day-Lewis hadn't done There Will Be Blood(and won the Oscar) all these fanboys wouldn't be picking him for a possible replacement.

Try to be a little more original guys...stay away from the things that are considered stereotypes of fanboys...even though most are true.:oldrazz:


I must disagree. I was a fan of DDL even before There Will Be Blood hit the theaters. And I'm sure many others are the same way.

[Phaser]

There Will Be Blood was hardly what caught people's attentions. I'd say for the modern audience (i.e. teens and young adults), it was actually his role in Gangs of NY that lured people to his side.

Yup. When I saw the real DDL in one of the making of documentaries for Gangs of New York, I was shocked, thinking "this guy played Bill the Butcher?! I must see more of his films now." After watching My Left Foot, In The Name of the Father, Age of Innocence and There Will Be Blood, I can say with utmost confidence that not only will DDL nail any freakin' role he is offered, he's going to smash it in so hard he'll bloody break the goddamn nail itself.

[Zohan Dvir]

DDL was actually a popular choice for Ra's, back in the day.

There Will Be Blood was hardly what caught people's attentions. I'd say for the modern audience (i.e. teens and young adults), it was actually his role in Gangs of NY that lured people to his side. His latest movie and Oscar just brought him back to the forefront after a hiatus.

I always remembered him from Last of the Mohicans.

[batman_1982]

*ahem A Knights Tale...Lords of Dogtown cough cough

In defense here, heath was quoted as saying he didn't like comic book movies.

[fabman]

Yeah, and... I don't know what's so bad about A Knight's Tale? It's a fun flick, I've always enjoyed it, and I think that movie is the reason why Paul Bettany was rumored for the Joker.

Think about it, maybe someone was told that the Knight's Tale dude was in talks to play the Joker, but of course nobody thought of Heath Ledger, but Paul Bettany... and that's how the Paul Bettany rumor spread. I dunno, it's possible that this could be what happened, or not?

[JayCaz]

I personally have been a big fan of DDL since movies like Name of the Father, My Left Foot & The Boxer. I think he could easily play the Joker, but I'd see him in more of a 'Dark Knight Returns' type role, a little older, wiser, more refined than Heath's maniacal fresh young Joker. I think he's the best of the bunch if anyone does take over from Heath in a 3rd movie though.

Unless they use special effects and have Gary Oldman play two characters!!!

[SheldonLevene]

It is times such as these when I wish TDK was filmed back to back with BB3. Then, who is to say Heath wouldn't still be alive and giving us yet another great prefomance. Obviously just a dream, but none the less.

[fabman]

I know what you mean, Sheldon... but the "what if" doesn't really make sense... You know, there could have been so many things which would have prevented Heath to die... if... :(

[SheldonLevene]

I know what you mean, Sheldon... but the "what if" doesn't really make sense... You know, there could have been so many things which would have prevented Heath to die... if... :(

I know. It sucks.

[Negative Creep]

I personally have been a big fan of DDL since movies like Name of the Father, My Left Foot & The Boxer. I think he could easily play the Joker, but I'd see him in more of a 'Dark Knight Returns' type role, a little older, wiser, more refined than Heath's maniacal fresh young Joker. I think he's the best of the bunch if anyone does take over from Heath in a 3rd movie though.

Unless they use special effects and have Gary Oldman play two characters!!!

I like the way you think:yay:

[Hole Shot]

*ahem A Knights Tale...Lords of Dogtown cough cough

Lords of Dogtown was presented as an Indy flick about a subculture movement that began in the 70's. I'd hardly compare it to A Knight's Tale.

[Negative Creep]

Lords of Dogtown was presented as an Indy flick about a subculture movement that began in the 70's. I'd hardly compare it to A Knight's Tale.

Exactly. And Ledger was 22 when he made A Knight's Tale. Young actors on the rise in Hollywood can't pick and choose. They have to take what comes their way. I think it's pretty clear now how talented and dedicated Ledger was to his work and his credibility shouldn't be questioned.

This reminds of an interview with Ledger I saw on thedailyshow.com from when he was promoting AKT. He was so fidgety, uncomfortable and seemed "lost" in a way. It was disturbing to watch knowing what we know now.

[fabman]

Just saw the video on thedailyshow.com. That was an awkard interview.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I could have said the same thing about Heath Ledger two years ago.

Im glad you could have, cause I didnt, I waited until I saw a pic, heard his Joker voice and saw some footage. I just dont like Leo that much, theres only a small handful of his films that I actually enjoy his acting in.

[Negative Creep]

Just saw the video on thedailyshow.com. That was an awkard interview.

Yep. I don't think Heath was on the same wavelength with Stewart either. He's all about irony/sarcasm and that doesn't seem like something Ledger is comfortable with.

BTW, you should see Jon's interview with the Spice Girls on that site. Now that one is "funny uncomfortable":yay:

[fabman]

Personally, I was excited when Latinoreview broke the news that Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker. I really liked the idea of him playing the role. I don't know, it must have been his performances in Brokeback Mountain, Monster's Ball. I also thought he could pull off such a crazy role because of Brothers Grimm. So for me there wasn't even the need to see something of him as the Joker. I felt it was perfect casting.

[Crook]

Just saw the video on thedailyshow.com. That was an awkard interview.
He looked....pretty serious and befuddled when people laughed at his "jousting background with sheep and cattle".

I must admit I was kinda confused if he was serious or not. :funny:

[fabman]

Yep. I don't think Heath was on the same wavelength with Stewart either. He's all about irony/sarcasm and that doesn't seem like something Ledger is comfortable with.

BTW, you should see Jon's interview with the Spice Girls on that site. Now that one is "funny uncomfortable":yay:

Yeah, he clearly wasn't. He didn't really like it. You could see he was somewhat pissed off at times...

...I'm so gonna watch that right now. :)

[fabman]

He looked....pretty serious and befuddled when people laughed at his "jousting background with sheep and cattle".

I must admit I was kinda confused if he was serious or not. :funny:

Yeah, that's exactly the part I meant. You think he was serious? I think so, dunno...

[Negative Creep]

Yeah, he clearly wasn't. He didn't really like it. You could see he was somewhat pissed off at times...

...I'm so gonna watch that right now. :)

Yeah, he was angry. Jon's lucky he didn't go all Joker on his ass.

Good, that interview is gold, fabman! Gold!!:cwink:

[Crook]

Yeah, that's exactly the part I meant. You think he was serious? I think so, dunno...
The idea of Heath as a kid jousting on sheep and cattle just seems so ludicrous. I can't even picture it because it doesn't even seem all that logical, even for a child.

But...Heath was so damn serious, to the point where he was angry at the crowd. I truly do not know. :funny:

[capt. slaughter]

was heath ever back on the daily show after that interview?

[Negative Creep]

was heath ever back on the daily show after that interview?

Nope.

I don't know if he was ever on a late night talk show again. Doesn't seem like his style. He probably had to promote AKT.

[fabman]

Just saw it.

"You're not very funny."

It IS gold!

Any other Jon Stewart interviews you reccomend?

Sorry for the OT!

[Negative Creep]

Just saw it.

"You're not very funny."

It IS gold!

Any other Jon Stewart interviews you reccomend?

Sorry for the OT!

Glad you liked it. I really like Stewart's interviews with a writer called Christopher Hitchens so you could check those out. They have a good chemistry. Can't think of any more atm, I'll let you know if I think of any:yay:

But I have saved some of my favourite correspondents pieces/sketches etc if you're interested? That's really my favourite part of the show. I love The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. I can't think of two funnier men than Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Lovely people too.

[BatmanFanatic]

Wow that was a funny interview. Heath is funny too but he just seems bowled over by John and all the attention.

Poor kid. :csad:

[fabman]

Glad you liked it. I really like Stewart's interviews with a writer called Christopher Hitchens so you could check those out. They have a good chemistry. Can't think of any more atm, I'll let you know if I think of any:yay:

But I have saved some of my favourite correspondents pieces/sketches etc if you're interested? That's really my favourite part of the show. I love The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. I can't think of two funnier men than Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Lovely people too.

Sure!

[Negative Creep]

Sure! Here you go:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=112396&title=interviews-i-could-get-reverend&to=4


http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=108180&title=oscars-2004

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=124221&title=this-week-in-god-burger-king

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=114019&title=popping-a-big-tent

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=112172&title=debate-and-switch&to=3

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=123489&title=daily/colbert-this-week-in-god

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=127298&title=bridge-over-troubled-water


That site is a goldmine:yay: The ads can get annoying though.

[fabman]

Thanks, man! Thank you very much!

By the way, I've just watched the David Arquette interview... LOL!

[Negative Creep]

Thanks, man! Thank you very much!

By the way, I've just watched the David Arquette interview... LOL!

No problem, just glad you liked them:yay:

hahaha, I hadn't seen that interview. Hilarious. He's totally ****ed up:woot:

[Figs]

I must disagree. I was a fan of DDL even before There Will Be Blood hit the theaters. And I'm sure many others are the same way.


That's fine and I believe you.

After awhile it got to be a mess to where you couldn't tell who were really long time fans of DDL and who were the typical fanboys throwing him out for the role because of his last performance or two.

[TNC9852002]

HOLY CRAP... :(

The truth be told I guess...:
5IYyNAXjxS4

I was wondering whatever happened to Montel, but I guess I know and I also know why the media has had NO other coverage on this appearance of his. This very doing almost supports Montel's statements about the media. In the end, I guess Montel just didn't handle this the right way, but maybe he felt that this would be the only way to get his voice heard.

-TNC

[deathfromabove]

He looked....pretty serious and befuddled when people laughed at his "jousting background with sheep and cattle".

I must admit I was kinda confused if he was serious or not. :funny:

anyone noticed his clockwork orange pin?!?!

but he seemed to be enjoying himself. his attitude seemed pretty normal for a 22 year old on a comedy show. i dont think he was too annoyed.

[That'ssuper!]

After Spider-man 3 I don't let the hype get to me anymore. If it's good, then I'll be excited, if it's bad I won't be disappointed.