The Dick Cheney Thread: 'Former Vice-Presidential' Edition

[Spider-Bite]

Dick Cheney is going hunting on election day. Anybody find the irony in this? I wonder what or who he's going to shoot?

Democrats?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15579004/

[Badger]

Probably a Donkey.

[Hotwire]

See! They're always trying to rig the elections!

[comicgirl]

Dick Cheney is going hunting on election day. Anybody find the irony in this? I wonder what or who he's going to shoot?

Democrats?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15579004/himself, if we're lucky

[04nbod]

the republicans have already shot themselves in the foot the last thing they need is cheny with a gun

[tzarinna]

Thanks for the heads up. :up:

[comicgirl]

He's going to a private hunting lodge in SD? What a tool. Probably going to shoot a fenced in deer

[chaseter]

He is going hunting for a new pacemaker...ha...ha...ha....silence.

[Manic]

He's going to a private hunting lodge in SD? What a tool. Probably going to shoot a fenced in deer
I'm of the opinion that hunting for domesticated animals in a private, fenced-in area is akin to fishing for pet-store fish in a swimming pool. You've reached the point where you're not even hunting for sport, anymore; you're just bull****ting.

[Spider-Bite]

See! They're always trying to rig the elections!

He plans to shoot many democrats before they can make it to the polls.

[comicgirl]

I'm of the opinion that hunting for domesticated animals in a private, fenced-in area is akin to fishing for pet-store fish in a swimming pool. You've reached the point where you're not even hunting for sport, anymore; you're just bull****ting.I agree. Cheney's pitiful.:cmad:

[Erzengel]

Bah it's only hunting, if you kill the animal with your bare hands or out of some tools you make in the wild. That would impress me.

[Darthphere]

Hes on the hunt for Nancy Pelosi.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

She would make an excellent rug for the front room.:up:

[Darthphere]

She would just munch on it. :huh:

[Palpadious]

Maybe he'll shoot himself this time

[Jack O'Lantern]

Dick seemed a little defensive when Wolf asked what he thought about some Republicans criticising his gay daughters pregnancy. He called the question "out of line." All Wolf did was quote what other people had said, is that so bad? :huh:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246715,00.html

[jaguarr]

He's gonna be a mean grandpa.

jag

[Matt]

Bringing up his daughter in an interview about policy IS out of line

[Honey Vibe]

That was a very unprofessional question. Wolf deserved what he ate.

[Addendum]

not a big deal to me, although I do like "out of line" questions

[comicgirl]

Well I guess Cheney will stick to the reporters that they've bought and paid for at FOXNEWS:o

[Spider-Bite]

Why didn't cheney call the republicans out of line for criticizing his daughter?

that's the reason he attacked Blitzer. It was his way of dodging the issue, and avoiding admitting that his party is unjust and bigoted. Personally I have no respect for his daughter, because she worked to help Bush get re-elected. She's a traitor to the gay community.

[hippie_hunter]

Why didn't cheney call the republicans out of line for criticizing his daughter?

that's the reason he attacked Blitzer. It was his way of dodging the issue, and avoiding admitting that his party is unjust and bigoted. Personally I have no respect for his daughter, because she worked to help Bush get re-elected. She's a traitor to the gay community.

While I agree that she is indeed shooting herself in the foot, there are actually gay Republicans. They are known as the Log Cabin Republicans:


The Log Cabin stresses its loyalty to the Republican Party: "We are loyal Republicans," its website says. "We believe in low taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxes), limited government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_government), strong defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_%28military%29), free markets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market), personal responsibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Personal_responsibility&action=edit), and individual liberty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty). Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family—taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness."
But Log Cabin dissents from conservative Republican views on matters relating to gay and lesbian rights. "We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty, freedom, and equality," it says. "Log Cabin stands up against those who preach hatred and intolerance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance). We stand up for the idea that all Americans deserve to be treated equal-regardless of their sexual orientation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation)."


Did you also know that there are also Republicans that support abortion, enviromental protection, and stem cell research :wow:

[jaguarr]

Ask him again, Wolf! Ask him again!!!!

jag

[Sun_Down]

Why didn't cheney call the republicans out of line for criticizing his daughter?



I kinda agree. He should be upset by those comments, but with Wolf, he should be upset with his own party. But of course, he can't be.

[Mr Sparkle]

why is the question out of line?
Jesus , this is 04 all over again when Kerry made that robotic comment about Cheney's daughter and everyone was like.
"ooh dude, why'd you go there?"
the man and his Ilk push policies that affect the personal lives of MILLIONS everyday.
how the **** is it out of line to ask him?
HOW?????

[sinewave]

Cheney to be in charge during Bush colonoscopy

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Vice President Dick Cheney will serve as acting president briefly Saturday while President Bush is anesthetized for a routine colonoscopy, White House spokesman Tony Snow said Friday.

Bush is scheduled to have the medical procedure, expected to take about 2 ½ hours, at the presidential retreat at Camp David, Maryland, Snow said.

Bush's last colonoscopy was in June 2002, and no abnormalities were found, Snow said.

The president's doctor had recommended a repeat procedure in about five years.

The procedure will be supervised by Dr. Richard Tubb and conducted by a multidisciplinary team from the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, Snow said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/20/bush.colonoscopy/index.html

i wonder how many self-serving, shady deals he can push through in that short amount of time.

[DeaDheaD]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/20/bush.colonoscopy/index.html

i wonder how many self-serving, shady deals he can push through in that short amount of time.


We're f***ed

[Greenhorn]

I have two thoughts:
I'm out of here.
and
I wonder if they'll find Cheney's class ring he lost up there during the procedure...

[musclesforsupes]

LOL NOW CUT THAT OUT!!!!!


http://pinokochiko.fc2web.com/temp/make/photo/jyo-i1.jpg






Or are you serious!?:wow: :csad:

[DeaDheaD]

On sunday theres gonna be a report that half the eastern continents are "missing"

[Greenhorn]

LOL NOW CUT THAT OUT!!!!!


http://pinokochiko.fc2web.com/temp/make/photo/jyo-i1.jpg






Or are you serious!?:wow: :csad:

Actually aluding to the act going on in your picture...a puppet...

[terry78]

Cheney in charge for several days....wow. Talk about putting the cat in charge of the bird house.

[Greenhorn]

Uh the way I figure same person is in charge, we are just getting decisions with better vocabulary...

[sinewave]

Uh the way I figure same person is in charge, we are just getting decisions with better vocabulary...

sounds about right.

[DeaDheaD]

President goes from daffy duck to elmer fudd

[Showtime]

Cheney is going to bomb Iran in Bush's absence.

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, either nothing's going to happen or the country will be completely and utterly f**ked. :o

[Shuley]

glad to see Bush getting F'ed in the ass.

[Fran]

May God Help Us All.

[Greenhorn]

Cheney is going to bomb Iran in Bush's absence.

or go hunting with them...

[Immortalfire]

Hmm..

[demento]

Wait a sec... how is this possible? I thought that Cheney is Bush's assh#le.

Ba-dum-bum.

[Motown Marvel]

oh god, the s#!t that can happen in 2.5 hours!

this could be a great plot for a sitcom though. vice president takes the reigns while the president is out of commission, he f**ks some s#!t up, then has to scramble to fix it all before the president returns, and he does so just in time and the president innocently goes "so, what'd i miss?". then there'd be a qucik zoom on cheney and a chorus of people would go "that's my cheney!"

[gap5ewl]

Pshhh what's the difference he already is the president

[sinewave]

Wait a sec... how is this possible? I thought that Cheney is Bush's assh#le.

Ba-dum-bum.

zing!

[MaskedManJRK]

Cheney is going to bomb Iran in Bush's absence.

or go hunting with them...

I don't know which option is worse, actually...:o

[Spider-Fan]

Will he count when naming previous Presidents? Or is he not going to be in charge for enough time to count?

[DorkyFresh]

so the anti-christ shows up 7 years late...

[Spade]

If something explodes and war gets announced, I'll wake up with a smile. Not because I like war, but because I'm tired of guessing when the end of civilization as we know it will be.

[sinewave]

it's funny, when bush was running for president in '00 he asked cheney to help him find a suitable vp. cheney interviewed several candidates and ended up picking himself. bush should have known something was up then.

[DeaDheaD]

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/cheney.jpg

President Grrrrrrrr!!!

[jaguarr]

Well, this is troublesome news.

jag

[dpm07]

And so it begins...

I feel some kind of Order 66 coming.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It was nice knowing all of you. I love you. :csad:

*goes to the cellar*

[Showtime]

It was nice knowing all of you. I love you. :csad:

*goes to the cellar*

Sorry man. They are running with Bunker Buster Bombs now.

[Spider-Fan]

We are doomed. I will miss everyone :csad:

But will he count? I wonder.

[rdh007]

http://cheneyorder66.ytmnd.com/

[DeaDheaD]

http://cheneyorder66.ytmnd.com/

Ha...no wait......thats bad :csad:

[sinewave]

first order of business under president cheney: make his middle finger the national bird.

[Jack Rabbit]

It's the end of the world!:wow:


:whatever:

[DeaDheaD]

second order: nuke comedy central and the whole lil bush animation staff

[odiin]

Cheney scares me as much as the next guy, but you guys know this isn't the first time this has happened, right? Cheney took over for a day early on in Bush's presidency as well. In fact it's not all that uncommon. There have been several times where a vice president has had to step in for a while and serve as "acting" president temporarily. It comes with the job.

[Kebab gud]

glad to see Bush getting F'ed in the ass.
BAHAHAHAHAH!

[Kebab gud]

Cheney scares me as much as the next guy, but you guys know this isn't the first time this has happened, right? Cheney took over for a day early on in Bush's presidency as well. In fact it's not all that uncommon. There have been several times where a vice president has had to step in for a while and serve as "acting" president temporarily. It comes with the job.
hell even Colin Powell have been in charge..

[Greenhorn]

What a world, what a world!!!

[Kahoot]

President for 2 ½ hours :dry:

Wow... like it really matters it's only 2 ½ hours!

[Greenhorn]

President for 2 ½ hours :dry:

Wow... like it really matters it's only 2 ½ hours!

Took less time for W to react on 9/11.

[Spade]

It would be ironic if he were better than Bush, or if he had a heart attack within the first hour out of stress.

[Johnichi Chiba]

It said Cheney was already president for 2 hours in 2002, so its no biggie...OR IS IT!!!

[DeaDheaD]

It said Cheney was already president for 2 hours in 2002, so its no biggie...OR IS IT!!!


dum dum duuumm...

[DorkyFresh]

i thought the end of civilization was supposed to happen in 2012...

...Cheney's 5 years early!!!

[Spade]

http://cheneyorder66.ytmnd.com/

Don't know which was worse, the news or that YTMND.

[Dangerous]

Maybe He'll start a new war for fun...

[Web-Head]

2 hour's is long enough to cause some damage... we're screwed...

[cookiva]

Isnt it sad that the only person stopping us from complete nuclear war is Bush? When Cheney steps into office, we start praying, as if we dont do that now....

[Speedball]

S***!
Guess I've got a few hours to read Harry Potter before the world ends.

[Grievous]

And so it begins...

I feel some kind of Order 66 coming.
hahaha

[Kritish]

Oh god no...someone tell me I'm dreaming... :csad:

[Grievous]

S***!
Guess I've got a few hours to read Harry Potter before the world ends.
if the world was going to end in a few hours I would not spend it reading a HP book.

[Ryo Jin]

Human Race = Extinction by rifle shot.

[unstoppable]

aw crap

[zanos]

Cheney has been president for almost 8 years now.

[Ryo Jin]

Cheney has been president for almost 8 years now.

But now it's public, and that alone will cause widespread panic and mayhem.

[Superhobo]

Don't look him in the eye. Don't look him in the eye. Don't look him in the eye. Avoid the penance stare.

[Dew k. Mosi]

How much you wanna bet, NOTHING is going to happen at all

[BareKnucklez]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/20/bush.colonoscopy/index.html

i wonder how many self-serving, shady deals he can push through in that short amount of time.

The end of the world is near!! :whatever:

[Manic]

"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead... Don't turn your back. Don't look away. And don't blink. Good luck."

[The Geek Vault]

How much you wanna bet, NOTHING is going to happen at all
Great now ya jinxed it! If ya hadn't said that we would have been fine but now... well now we're all gonna die!

[Carcharodon]

If they find a growth, it's probably his brain.

*Sorry if that's been done. :o

[Sandman138]

Wait, does this mean that he is vulnerable to executive oversight for 2 1/2 hours? I mean he can't be "President of the Senate" and President of the United States at the same time right?:huh: :whatever:

[Vilya]

That's bad news....

[Superman]

WE'RE DOOMED!!! Doomed I tell you!!! The evil one will kill us all!!!:wow: :wow:
http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/cheneystaythefear.jpg

[SCORPINOK116]

wait..if he was only suppose to be acting prez for 2 1/2 hours then why are we still worrying..isnt bush back as acting?..or are we still in danger of becoming a dead planet?...i mean..it's 5:32am where i am so that means technacly we're safe right?..oh god plz tell me cheney's rein is over

[Arkady Rossovich]

I thought this was something serious.

[Kelly]

hell even Colin Powell have been in charge..


How? he was 4th in line????? The other 3 were out of commission.......damn now thats scary......

[TNC9852002]

Apparently, Dick Cheney and Barack Obama are related:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071016/pl_nm/usa_politics_cheney_obama_dc_1

-TNC

[OctaviusINC]

Well, whaddya know?

[Logan's Runt]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/sithcountess/Misc%20Stuff/VaderNOOOOO.gif

[Sun_Down]

So does Cheney hate that 1/128th of his genes like he hates all the rest of black America?

[The Squirrel]

So does Cheney hate that 1/128th of his genes like he hates all the rest of black America?

:wow: OH SNAP!!!! :wow:



:whatever:

Cheney is not racist.

And that's all I'm saying in this thread.

[MaskedManJRK]

I bet the far-right whack-jobs who say that Obama is a terrorist insider are going to s**t when they hear this. :woot:

[Hole Shot]

Aren't we all like at least eighth cousins or something like that?

[Superman4ever]

I think we're all, as Americans, are missing the big picture. They're both French! :cmad:

[Apollo]

yea and i am related to Darth Vader, 12th cousin twice removed

[chamber-music]

Everyones someones distant relative. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people on these boards aren't distant relatives.

[rdh007]

[Larry David] I am self-loathing, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish. [/Larry David]

[PLAS]

Everyones someones distant relative. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people on these boards aren't distant relatives.
well, don't you all know we come from Adam and Eve? :rolleyes:

[Arkady Rossovich]

So does Cheney hate that 1/128th of his genes like he hates all the rest of black America?

That could be true,has he commented about it?:dry:

[X-Chick]

I bet the far-right whack-jobs who say that Obama is a terrorist insider are going to s**t when they hear this. :woot:

He could be. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. But then again, nothing ever does. :huh:

[MetalloX]

He could be. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. But then again, nothing ever does. :huh:

Oh wow.

[strikezone89]

cheney is related to everyone.
BE CAREFUL OBAMA dick might shoot ya

[kane9321]

just wow

[terry78]

His ancestors pulled a Thomas Jefferson/Strom Thurmond double play, methinks.

[jaguarr]

I bet the far-right whack-jobs who say that Obama is a terrorist insider are going to s**t when they hear this. :woot:

Hah! I was just sitting here thinking "So, does this mean that Cheney is a Muslim terrorist?". :D

jag

[Hole Shot]

Everyones someones distant relative. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people on these boards aren't distant relatives.

Any Dutch-German-Irish-Mexicans on the board? You might be my cousin.

[Sun_Down]

The sickest part is that if you go back far enough, we're ALL related to Dick Cheney. Ew...

[Mr Sparkle]

wait, doesn't this mean that all Cheney/ Bush loving ( I was tempted to say Dick/ Bush loving republicans Tee Hee) republicans vote for Obama?
Zounds! Irony!

[Arkady Rossovich]

His ancestors pulled a Thomas Jefferson/Strom Thurmond double play, methinks.

Indeed.They were curious about black booty.:word:

(Seriously)

[cass]

Obama's half white, his father was Kenyan. The genes most likely came from Obama's mother.

[Captain Clown]

Apparently, Dick Cheney and Barack Obama are related:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Ratso/explode.gif

[blake]

Almost all politicians are related... todays government is not that different from aristocracy.

[Marx]

This is a thread meant for discussion of former Vice President Dick Cheney. His policies. His actions. And post-vice presidency.

CHENEY TRIES TO CONNECT IRAQ AND 9/11
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080318/wl_mcclatchy/2883358

[Superman4ever]

Does it bother anyone else...blatant lies aside, that the phrase "long-term struggle" is ALWAYS used by this administration? Plus, we've got permanent military bases there. Plus we have McCrazy claiming that the American people don't mind with we stay 100-plus years. I think he went as high as 10,000 with his ridiculous statement.

Maybe it's because I watched that damn Zeitgeist movie (which has a lot of rubbish, but did make some interesting points)!

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

nothing in the post connected Iraq to 9/11 just that after 9/11 there was a need to be more proactive and Iraq was the starting point.

[Arc-Light]

nothing in the post connected Iraq to 9/11 just that after 9/11 there was a need to be more proactive and Iraq was the starting point.

Huh.............ahhh no Afghanistan was the starting point. Iraq was a side tract to disaster.

[The Senator]

Sigh. He still thinks we buy this crap?

At least LBJ didn't say Adolph Hitler started the Vietnam War :o

[Marx]

Sigh. He still thinks we buy this crap?

At least LBJ didn't say Adolph Hitler started the Vietnam War :o

I find it all very interesting that this administration is still so determined to tie Iraq and Saddam Hussein to the events of September 11th. I'm just glad that the larger majority of people see through it.

[MaskedManJRK]

Man, it's like he isn't even trying anymore.

"Uh...yes, there was a connection. You f**king a*shole. Next question!"

[LastSunrise1981]

Does anyone even care what Bush and his flunkies say anymore? It's no use in trying to expose them for the liars that they are. They didn't do the right thing when it was needed at the time, so why even publish what Bush and his cronies say anymore?

It's almost as if Bush is saying to the American people "Yeah, I lied and went to Iraq for oil and petty revenge. Now what are you going to do about it?! Nothing? Okay."

[lazur]

Source: Hannah Allam and Laith Hammoudi, McClatchy Newspapers

Vice President Dick Cheney gave an upbeat view of conditions in Iraq as he concluded his unannounced trip to mark the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion. Cheney also defended the toppling of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein as part of the struggle against terrorism following the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This month, an exhaustive Pentagon-sponsored review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents captured during the 2003 U.S. invasion found no evidence that Saddam's regime had any operational links with the al Qaida terrorist network. But Cheney, who spent the night at a sprawling U.S. base in the northern town of Balad, told soldiers they were defending future generations of Americans from a global terror threat.
"This long-term struggle became urgent on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 . That day we clearly saw that dangers can gather far from our own shores and find us right there at home," said Cheney, who was accompanied by his wife, Lynne, and their daughter, Elizabeth.
"So the United States made a decision: to hunt down the evil of terrorism and kill it where it grows, to hold the supporters of terror to account and to confront regimes that harbor terrorists and threaten the peace," Cheney said. "Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans."


For the full article click on the link below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080318/wl_mcclatchy/2883358

I don't llike Cheney very much, but even I can see that he did NOT 'link' 9/11 to Iraq in what you posted above. What he said was that 9/11 was a wake up call to the dangers which can quickly get out of hand.

Whether Saddam had 'direct' links to al-Qaeda is unimportant, in my mind. What IS important is that Saddam was paying terrorists money to blow themselves up. Saddam allowed al-Zarqawi, who WAS al-Qaeda, 'safe haven' in his country.

Again, there's nothing in that article depicting Cheney as 'linking' 9/11 to Saddam, which makes the title of your thread dishonest and misleading. I understand you don't like the guy, but let's at least keep the opinions 'objective'.

[Marx]

I don't llike Cheney very much, but even I can see that he did NOT 'link' 9/11 to Iraq in what you posted above. What he said was that 9/11 was a wake up call to the dangers which can quickly get out of hand.

Whether Saddam had 'direct' links to al-Qaeda is unimportant, in my mind. What IS important is that Saddam was paying terrorists money to blow themselves up. Saddam allowed al-Zarqawi, who WAS al-Qaeda, 'safe haven' in his country.

Again, there's nothing in that article depicting Cheney as 'linking' 9/11 to Saddam, which makes the title of your thread dishonest and misleading. I understand you don't like the guy, but let's at least keep the opinions 'objective'.

This administration has tried and tried to link Hussein to 9/11 in anyway that they can. By suggesting that Iraq was a threat to the US is not accurate. By saying that they had WMD in a post 9/11 world (which was the rationale for war) is not accurate. To say that I am misleading people is completely inaccurate.

[lazur]

This administration has tried and tried to link Hussein to 9/11 in anyway that they can. By suggesting that Iraq was a threat to the US is not accurate. By saying that they had WMD in a post 9/11 world (which was the rationale for war) is not accurate. To say that I am misleading people is completely inaccurate.

I'm not denying that links between Iraq and 9/11 were sought by this adminstration in the past. But that's not what that article depicted, either.

Was there a link between 'terrorism' and Iraq after 9/11? Yes. Just because it wasn't specifically 'al-Qaeda' doesn't make it any less true.

[Mr Sparkle]

I don't llike Cheney very much, but even I can see that he did NOT 'link' 9/11 to Iraq in what you posted above. What he said was that 9/11 was a wake up call to the dangers which can quickly get out of hand.

Whether Saddam had 'direct' links to al-Qaeda is unimportant, in my mind. What IS important is that Saddam was paying terrorists money to blow themselves up. Saddam allowed al-Zarqawi, who WAS al-Qaeda, 'safe haven' in his country.

Again, there's nothing in that article depicting Cheney as 'linking' 9/11 to Saddam, which makes the title of your thread dishonest and misleading. I understand you don't like the guy, but let's at least keep the opinions 'objective'.

but to link him to the war on terror after 9-11?
it would've been more likely to link the Saudi government, yet no one did.

[lazur]

but to link him to the war on terror after 9-11?
it would've been more likely to link the Saudi government, yet no one did.

Agreed, but I'm not sure that one valid point cancels out another.

[Mr. Credible]

I find it all very interesting that this administration is still so determined to tie Iraq and Saddam Hussein to the events of September 11th. I'm just glad that the larger majority of people see through it.

but what difference does it make?

75% of americans don't want bush in office, and haven't for a long, long time... in other news, no one has done a damn thing about it but complain and make online polls.

3/4 of america has told them the we don't want troops over there. they just laugh in our faces.

why don't we do something about it?

[lazur]

but what difference does it make?

75% of americans don't want bush in office, and haven't for a long, long time... in other news, no one has done a damn thing about it but complain and make online polls.

3/4 of america has told them the we don't want troops over there. they just laugh in our faces.

why don't we do something about it?

That Bush was elected a SECOND time is a good argument.

On the other hand, doing something about it implies electing someone else or even a new party. Problem is, I don't like any of the three candidates that are running. What the heck do we do??

[Mr Sparkle]

Agreed, but I'm not sure that one valid point cancels out another.

what I mean is, it seems like trying to make a point out of something that isn't.
you know that terrorism is a larger thing, you know that terror is not just 9-11, but a lot of people don't, a survey was taken not long ago, after the 9-11 commission had presented their findings. and still even though the 9-11 commission had found no links between Saddam and 9-11 like 30% to 50% of the US populace thought he had a direct link.
maybe if the politicians stopped talking in soundbites and spoke to all of us as if we're thinking individuals this wouldn't happen as often.

[Super_Ludacris]

This dude needs to have a heart attack or shoot someone cause he obviously is not using his time wisely. I mean shoot someone and have a heart attack doing it. Anything but this...

[MaskedManJRK]

This dude needs to have a heart attack or shoot someone cause he obviously is not using his time wisely. I mean shoot someone and have a heart attack doing it. Anything but this...

He already did--several times. And yet still he survives. Either that or he's now the Undead and the only way we'll truely be rid of him is if we cut off his head. :o

[Marx]

Pope Benedict XVI has completed his tour of the US in grand fashion - holding a 60,000 person mass at Yankee Stadium. Over the course of his trip, he met with church abuse victims, families of 9/11 victims, the Bush family...and Dick Cheney.

Addressing the audience at Yankee Stadium, Benedict called on his flock not to lose heart "in the face of resistance, adversity and scandal," and encouraged followers to reject "a false dichotomy between faith and political life."

So what are your thoughts on his visit? Are you satisfied with what he did on his US tour? Or do you think that Pope Benedict XVI should have done more? Does it scare anyone else that Dick Cheney met with the Pope?



http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/art.pope.cheney.jpg



Pope celebrates mass in New York, set to depart US
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/index.html

[rdh007]

It's like Sidious and Palpatine together. :heart:

[Marx]

Dick Cheney frightens me a little in that picture.

[StorminNorman]

Does it scare anyone else that Cheney met with the Pope?

There isn't a smiley large enough to explain what I think about that comment - I will have to do with this: :whatever::whatever::whatever:

[rdh007]

Is it lag, Memorex, or me?

[Marx]

There isn't a smiley large enough to explain what I think about that comment - I will have to do with this: :whatever::whatever::whatever:

Good evening Norm! :cwink:

[The Senator]

Pope Benedict XVI has completed his tour of the US in grand fashion - holding a 60,000 person mass at Yankee Stadium. Over the course of his trip, he met with church abuse victims, families of 9/11 victims, the Bush family...and Dick Cheney.

Addressing the audience at Yankee Stadium, Benedict called on his flock not to lose heart "in the face of resistance, adversity and scandal," and encouraged followers to reject "a false dichotomy between faith and political life."

So what are your thoughts on his visit? Are you satisfied with what he did on his US tour? Or do you think that Pope Benedict XVI should have done more? Does it scare anyone else that Dick Cheney met with the Pope?



http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/art.pope.cheney.jpg



Pope celebrates mass in New York, set to depart US
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/index.html

Joseph Ratzinger was the worst person the Vatican could have selected to lead the Catholic church. The man has so far proven to be a thorn in the side of everything John Paul II had accomplished. He has made it a priority to offend others, not unite them, especially with his 2005 remarks against Islam and those who consider themselves Muslim. Worst of all, he used to work under the mind that as long as the Catholic church didn't admit sexual abuse was occurring at the hands of its priests, then that abuse did not exist. He advocated silence over action, and now he comes to our country to tell everyone that sexual abuse is a shame and a dark mark on the church-- six years after he said bishops and clergymen should remain silent over the issue?

Please. If I were a Catholic, I'd be embarrassed to have this man serve as the vessel between man and God.

[Marx]

Joseph Ratzinger was the worst person the Vatican could have selected to lead the Catholic church. The man has so far proven to be a thorn in the side of everything John Paul II had accomplished. He has made it a priority to offend others, not unite them, especially with his 2005 remarks against Islam and those who consider themselves Muslim. Worst of all, he used to work under the mind that as long as the Catholic church didn't admit sexual abuse was occurring at the hands of its priests, then that abuse did not exist. He advocated silence over action, and now he comes to our country to tell everyone that sexual abuse is a shame and a dark mark on the church-- six years after he said bishops and clergymen should remain silent over the issue?

Please. If I were a Catholic, I'd be embarrassed to have this man serve as the vessel between man and God.

I was very surprised to hear that he actually met with abuse victims.

[zanos]

It's like Sidious and Palpatine together. :heart:

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Nathan Petrelli]

Pope Benedict XVI has completed his tour of the US in grand fashion - holding a 60,000 person mass at Yankee Stadium. Over the course of his trip, he met with church abuse victims, families of 9/11 victims, the Bush family...and Dick Cheney.

Addressing the audience at Yankee Stadium, Benedict called on his flock not to lose heart "in the face of resistance, adversity and scandal," and encouraged followers to reject "a false dichotomy between faith and political life."

So what are your thoughts on his visit? Are you satisfied with what he did on his US tour? Or do you think that Pope Benedict XVI should have done more? Does it scare anyone else that Dick Cheney met with the Pope?



http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/art.pope.cheney.jpg



Pope celebrates mass in New York, set to depart US
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/index.html

I wonder if they both finished their meeting with evil laughs

[bell110]

I'm surprised that the stage wasn't struck by lightening right after that picture was taken.

[C.F. Kane]

Pope Benedict XVI has completed his tour of the US in grand fashion - holding a 60,000 person mass at Yankee Stadium. Over the course of his trip, he met with church abuse victims, families of 9/11 victims, the Bush family...and Dick Cheney.

Addressing the audience at Yankee Stadium, Benedict called on his flock not to lose heart "in the face of resistance, adversity and scandal," and encouraged followers to reject "a false dichotomy between faith and political life."

So what are your thoughts on his visit? Are you satisfied with what he did on his US tour? Or do you think that Pope Benedict XVI should have done more? Does it scare anyone else that Dick Cheney met with the Pope?



http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/art.pope.cheney.jpg



Pope celebrates mass in New York, set to depart US
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/20/pope.visit/index.html


Well, of course a man who is both the Head of State of the Vatican and the leader of a major world religion doesn't like the idea of separation of church and state. :whatever:

[fifthfiend]

White House Blocked Rule Issued to Shield Whales

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 1, 2008; A03 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/30/AR2008043003189.html)

White House officials for more than a year have blocked a rule aimed at protecting endangered North Atlantic right whales by challenging the findings of government scientists, according to documents obtained by the Union of Concerned Scientists.

The documents, which were mailed to the environmental group by an unidentified National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration official, illuminate a struggle that has raged between the White House and NOAA for more than a year. In February 2007, NOAA issued a final rule aimed at slowing ships traversing some East Coast waters to 10 knots or less during parts of the year to protect the right whales, but the White House has blocked the rule from taking effect.

North Atlantic right whales, whose surviving population numbers fewer than 400, are one of the most endangered species on Earth, and scientists have warned that the loss of just one more pregnant female could doom the species. Some shipping companies have opposed the NOAA proposal, saying slowing their vessels will cost the industry money.

The documents, which House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) released yesterday, show that the White House Council of Economic Advisers and Vice President Cheney's office repeatedly questioned whether the rule was needed. Waxman, who sent a letter to the White House asking for an explanation, said the exchange "appears to be the latest instance of the White House ignoring scientists and other experts."

In one document, the Council of Economic Advisers questioned "the reliability of analysis in the published literature on which NOAA is basing its position." The council conducted its own analysis and concluded that "the relationship between [vessel] speed and [whale] injury . . . may not be as strong of a relationship as is suggested in published papers."

NOAA scientists were not swayed, writing in response, "The basic facts remain that (1) there is a direct relationship between speed and death/serious injury, and (2) at vessel speeds at or below 10 knots the probability of death/serious injury is greatly reduced."

A separate document reveals that Cheney's staff argued "that we have no evidence (i.e., hard data) that lowering the speeds of 'large ships' will actually make a difference." NOAA again fired back, writing that there was "no basis to overturn our previous conclusion that imposing a speed limit on large vessels would be beneficial to whales."

Since NOAA initially proposed the regulation, at least three right whales have died from ship strikes and two have been wounded by propellers.

Amy Knowlton, a scientist at the New England Aquarium who has studied right whales, said the documents show that "the rule really is based on good science. NOAA has done a very good job in sticking to its guns on this."

Kristen Hellmer, spokeswoman for the White House Council for Environmental Quality, said in a statement that the office is reviewing the Waxman letter.

"We will make an appropriate response to the committee," she said, adding that "we are confident this longstanding rulemaking process will provide an approach that will achieve our shared goals."

Beth Allgood, a program officer at the International Fund for Animal Welfare, questioned why the administration had not acted on the rule.

"The administration's own scientists have answered these questions six months ago, and they still haven't issued the rule. That's one of the most shocking things," Allgood said. "It's not a huge burden on industry; it's a huge burden on the whales."

The World Shipping Council has campaigned to block the rule, but the Chamber of Shipping of America backs it. In an Aug. 24 letter, its director of maritime affairs, Kathy J. Metcalf, wrote White House officials that "the economic impacts associated with the proposed rule (assuming it includes a provision for increased speeds for safety of navigation) are well worth the benefits."

Clearly knowing that living things are being needlessly slaughtered for no other purpose beside his bloodthirsty whims is the only thing that gives Dick Cheney feelings akin to joy.

[Superhobo]

http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/gov_photos/US_Gov/CHENEY/dick_cheney_JeffHaynes4.jpg


Mrawawa nuke the whales mrawawa.

[Matt]

When I read the title I thought "Holy ****, he shot someone else," (which in all fairness, he probably has. The secret service has just gotten better at hiding it. :cwink:)

I still maintain Cheney is nothing more than the ultimate fall guy. There is no way his beliefs fall in line with this administration. Review some of Cheney's voting and positions from his time in Congress and as Secretary of Defense. His views are more similiar to Colin Powell than the rest of the administration. Cheney is not the evil mastermind. He is the fall guy. He is naturally unlikable so it made him the perfect patsy. His role is to act like an ass in public to deflect heat from Bush. Being familiar with Cheney's politics pre-VP, I would be very suprised if 90 % of the **** Cheney gets blamed for is actually his doing as opposed to Bush, Rummy, etc.

[Sebastos]

Cheney can go **** himself as he famously says. The man has the nerve to say "SO" with a shrug when a news woman told him how many troops where dieing. :whatever:

[Matt]

Cheney can go **** himself as he famously says. The man has the nerve to say "SO" with a shrug when a news woman told him how many troops where dieing. :whatever:

I don't buy the "Cheney is evil," perspective. Has anyone ever read Cheney's position papers as Secretary of Defense or reviewed his voting record from his time in the House? His views then do not sync up with his views now at all. In fact, his views are closer to Powell's. I honestly do not believe Cheney is "evil," or the ones making the decisions for this administration as we are led to believe. I believe Cheney is a very smart politican who has zero likability and knows it. Therefore he has became the fall guy for this administration. He says the crazy things and creates the illusion that these are his ideas (despite that they do not fit with his political beliefs at all). I honestly believe he is not so much pulling the strings as being the fall guy who deflects heat from Bush, Rummy, Condi, etc while they make the evil plans.

[Sebastos]

I don't buy the "Cheney is evil," perspective. Has anyone ever read Cheney's position papers as Secretary of Defense or reviewed his voting record from his time in the House? His views then do not sync up with his views now at all. In fact, his views are closer to Powell's. I honestly do not believe Cheney is "evil," or the ones making the decisions for this administration as we are led to believe. I believe Cheney is a very smart politican who has zero likability and knows it. Therefore he has became the fall guy for this administration. He says the crazy things and creates the illusion that these are his ideas (despite that they do not fit with his political beliefs at all). I honestly believe he is not so much pulling the strings as being the fall guy who deflects heat from Bush, Rummy, Condi, etc while they make the evil plans.

Perhaps. But honestly, why would the man say "Don't live in an Arab country" when he plans to retire in Dubai? :huh:

[Matt]

Perhaps. But honestly, why would the man say "Don't live in an Arab country" when he plans to retire in Dubai? :huh:

Cheney says a lot of things that contradict what he seems to believe. Like I said, I think he is the fall guy.

[Sebastos]

Cheney says a lot of things that contradict what he seems to believe. Like I said, I think he is the fall guy.

I'll take you up on that, but there's still apart of me that thinks he's an a**hole.

Excuse my french. :ninja:

[rdh007]

Cheney says a lot of things that contradict what he seems to believe. Like I said, I think he is the fall guy.

Meaning that Dubya is the true genius? Or PNAC?

[SuBe]

What does Slake mean?

[Matt]

Meaning that Dubya is the true genius? Or PNAC?

I'd say Rove is probably the real evil mastermind.

[fifthfiend]

What does Slake mean?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slake

1. to allay (thirst, desire, wrath, etc.) by satisfying.
2. to cool or refresh: He slaked his lips with ice.
3. to make less active, vigorous, intense, etc.: His calm manner slaked their enthusiasm.
4. to cause disintegration of (lime) by treatment with water. Compare slaked lime.
5. Obsolete. to make loose or less tense; slacken.
–verb (used without object)
6. (of lime) to become slaked.
7. Archaic. to become less active, intense, vigorous, etc.; abate.

[fifthfiend]

Perhaps. But honestly, why would the man say "Don't live in an Arab country" when he plans to retire in Dubai? :huh:

Dubai no longer counts as Arab. It's Disneyworld for billionaires.

[Kelly]

Cheney can go **** himself as he famously says. The man has the nerve to say "SO" with a shrug when a news woman told him how many troops where dieing. :whatever:


We already know the guy is an *******, but you really need to quote it correctly....

When asked how that assessment comports with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=4444000&page=1), Cheney replied, "So?"
"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.
"You can't be blown off course by polls," said Cheney, who is currently on a tour of the Middle East. "This president is very courageous and determined to go the course. There has been a huge fundamental change and transformation for the better. That's a huge accomplishment."


Source: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4481568&page=1

[StorminNorman]

I'd say Rove is probably the real evil mastermind.

Roves not smart enough.

[The Senator]

We already know the guy is an *******, but you really need to quote it correctly....

When asked how that assessment comports with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=4444000&page=1), Cheney replied, "So?"
"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.
"You can't be blown off course by polls," said Cheney, who is currently on a tour of the Middle East. "This president is very courageous and determined to go the course. There has been a huge fundamental change and transformation for the better. That's a huge accomplishment."


Source: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4481568&page=1


So that just proves that Cheney doesn't care about what the American people think, even though it was the American people who elected him and his companion into office. Once again, Cheney shows how utterly disconnected with the American people he truly is.

[Kelly]

Yeah, he's an ass.....but I don't think polls should run policy either......

[StorminNorman]

So that just proves that Cheney doesn't care about what the American people think, even though it was the American people who elected him and his companion into office. Once again, Cheney shows how utterly disconnected with the American people he truly is.

Too many Americans are stupid, ignorant and illogical - they also don't know all the information those in government do. There is a reason we don't have the people make direct decisions in government policy - polls shouldn't impact a President.

[hippie_hunter]

Roves not smart enough.

I find Rove to be very intelligent. Just probably the biggest dickwad to ever grace politics.

[Kelly]

Yep, and it takes a good dickwad to win the Presidency these days.....

[Sebastos]

Dubai no longer counts as Arab. It's Disneyworld for billionaires.

Of course. It's fact all Cheney and crew care about is the money they're racking up. They couldn't care less about anything else.

We already know the guy is an *******, but you really need to quote it correctly....

When asked how that assessment comports with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=4444000&page=1), Cheney replied, "So?"
"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.
"You can't be blown off course by polls," said Cheney, who is currently on a tour of the Middle East. "This president is very courageous and determined to go the course. There has been a huge fundamental change and transformation for the better. That's a huge accomplishment."


Source: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4481568&page=1


Yes, that's how it went. I didn't remember how it was all said.

[Sebastos]

Yep, and it takes a good dickwad to win the Presidency these days.....

You'd be surprised the real reason why we had Presidents like Clinton and Bush. It's an inner cult.

[Kelly]

Yeah, The Skulls..................buuuuuuuaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa.

[Sebastos]

Yeah, The Skulls..................buuuuuuuaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa.

No, it's cause they're related. There's alot people don't know about. If they did they're research, they'd see there's alot going on behind the scenes.

[Kelly]

Yeah....

[The Senator]

Too many Americans are stupid, ignorant and illogical - they also don't know all the information those in government do. There is a reason we don't have the people make direct decisions in government policy - polls shouldn't impact a President.

While the American people elect the President/ VP to represent them and make decisions for them, when over two thirds of Americans disapprove of the job he's doing and specifically point to one issue which can be fixed, I personally feel it is the president's responsibility as an elected representative of all Americans to fix that issue. The solution to the war in Iraq is an easy one: Get the **** out, or work towards getting us out of there. I think the American people are smart enough to know when they no longer want us engaged in a war overseas. I think they are smart enough to be able to say "enough" of the bloodshed and unnecessary sacrifices.

[Sebastos]

Yeah....

Yeah....? :huh:

What i'm saying is fact. :o

[Kelly]

Ok....

[fifthfiend]

Too many Americans are stupid, ignorant and illogical

I never would have guessed just how much you hate the American people.

I mean, wow.

[Sebastos]

Ok....

I don't get it, you sound as if you don't believe me. If you looked it up, went through a few searches you'd see exactly what i'm talking about.

[Matt]

At this point in Bush's presidency, everyone is saying "How will history remember Bush?" I'm more curious as to how history will remember Dick Cheney and the long term effects he will have on the office. Cheney's vice presidency for better or worse was fairly unprecedented. His effect on policy and appointments was ground breaking for a Vice President who historically has been more passive and symbollic than hands-on. My question is, will this trend continue? One candidate is very old and it is questionable as to whether or not he will be able to operate at full capacity and another candidate is very young and inexperienced. Could the VP once again step up and follow the Cheney example? If so, will this set a trend and how will that effect the future of our country?

[The Senator]

I think people will remember Cheney as much as they remember Agnew. I believe Cheney is the least popular Vice President of all time (or so the polls seem to indicate such), and many people will be ready to forget him more than they will remember him in the immediate future. Regardless of that, though, I think the power brought to the Vice Presidency was unprecedented, and I do not believe most of it will disappear when the next VP is sworn in.

I think both McCain and Obama will come up with ways to revolutionize the Vice Presidency, on top of what Bush/ Cheney did... for better or worse...

[Marx]

Cheney has revolutionized the position of the Vice Presidency. I don't see all of his "accomplishments" fading overnight. If anything, I see this becoming the springboard for a strong VP position for a long time to come.

Which could be good, or bad.

[Superman4ever]

Eh, I'll put it here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/20/cheney.lawsuit.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal judge on Saturday ordered Dick Cheney to preserve a wide range of the records from his time as vice president.
Dick Cheney and the Bush administration were sued to ensure that presidential records are not destroyed.

Dick Cheney and the Bush administration were sued to ensure that presidential records are not destroyed.

The decision by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly is a setback for the Bush administration in its effort to promote a narrow definition of materials that must be safeguarded under by the Presidential Records Act.

The Bush administration's legal position "heightens the court's concern" that some records may not be preserved, said the judge.

A private group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, is suing Cheney and the Executive Office of the President in an effort to ensure that no presidential records are destroyed or handled in a way that makes them unavailable to the public.

In a 22-page opinion, the judge revealed that in recent days, lawyers for the Bush administration balked at a proposed agreement between the two sides on how to proceed with the case.

Cheney and the other defendants in the case "were only willing to agree to a preservation order that tracked their narrowed interpretation" of the Presidential Records Act, wrote Kollar-Kotelly.

The administration, said the judge, wanted any court order on what records are at issue in the case to cover only the office of the vice president, not Cheney or the other defendants in the lawsuit.

The other defendants are the Executive Office of the President and the National Archives.

The lawsuit stems from Cheney's position that his office is not part of the executive branch of government.

This summer, Cheney chief of staff David Addington told Congress that the vice president belongs to neither the executive nor legislative branch of government but rather is attached by the Constitution to Congress. The vice president presides over the Senate.

The lawsuit alleges that the Bush administration's actions over the past 7½ years raise questions over whether the White House will turn over records created by Cheney and his staff to the National Archives in January.

In 2003, Cheney asserted that the office of the vice president is not an entity within the executive branch

Two historians and three groups of historians and archivists joined CREW in filing the suit two weeks ago.

I was under the assumption that he was going to be remembered as a corporate lying son of a ***** (who shat on the Constitution); abused his power and effectively entitled himself immunity. He answers to no one. Not the House/Senate, and definitely not the American people (anyone remember his "so" comment?) So, um...yeah.

And before anyone claims that the VP is not an executive role and that your Sith Lord is right:

Article. II.
Section. 1.
Clause 1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows


Article I.
Section. 2.
Clause 1: The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html

[Mr Sparkle]

an evil "penguin"-like cackle?

[Superman4ever]

an evil "penguin"-like cackle?

LMFAO! :grin:

*whank whank*

[SentinelMind]

No non-political buff is going to remember Cheney 50 years from now.

[Venom'sDad]

Cheney has revolutionized the position of the Vice Presidency. I don't see all of his "accomplishments" fading overnight. If anything, I see this becoming the springboard for a strong VP position for a long time to come.

Which could be good, or bad.

I agree....whether you love em or hate em.

[rdh007]

I think both McCain and Obama will come up with ways to revolutionize the Vice Presidency, on top of what Bush/ Cheney did... for better or worse...
It's pretty clear which would be better and which would be worse.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/1194329824370.jpg

[The Senator]

Well I think we can safely say that McCain will revolutionize the Vice Presidency by sending it back to the says of Spiro Agnew. Perhaps Sarah Palin will help revolutionize it by leading the secession of Alaska from the Union from the executive branch? :huh:

[Hobgoblin]

an evil "penguin"-like cackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

:hehe:

Lets not forget, under Cheney, the office of the Vice President is no longer part of the Executive Branch.

[jaguarr]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49E62620081015

heney heart troubles resurface

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:24am EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, who has a history of heart trouble, was experiencing an recurrence of an abnormal heartbeat and will undergo a hospital procedure on Wednesday afternoon to address it, his spokeswoman said.
"During a visit with his doctors this morning, it was discovered that the vice president is experiencing a recurrence of atrial fibrillation, an abnormal rhythm involving the upper chambers of the heart," said his spokeswoman Megan Mitchell.
He will have an outpatient procedure at George Washington University Hospital on Wednesday afternoon to restore a normal heartbeat, she said in a statement. Cheney canceled a planned campaign event in Illinois because of the heart problem.
Cheney, 67, has had four heart attacks, quadruple bypass surgery, two artery-clearing angioplasties and a procedure to implant a defibrillator. During his yearly routine physical examination in July, doctors gave him the all-clear.
Cheney had his most recent heart attack shortly after the November 2000 election, although it was considered mild. He had the defibrillator implanted in his chest in 2001 to help regulate his heartbeat.
Atrial fibrillation is an abnormal heart rhythm in the upper chambers of the heart. With atrial fibrillation, the two upper chambers of the heart beat quickly and irregularly.
Because blood is not pumped completely out the heart's upper chambers, it can pool and clot, raising the risk for a stroke. About 15 percent of strokes occur in people with atrial fibrillation, according to the American Heart Association.
About 2.2 million Americans have this type of abnormal heart rhythm.


I've always thought that the only thing that could kill Dick Cheney was....Dick Cheney.


jag

[Matt]

I wonder if Bush would even bother replacing him if he died or just give it to Pelosi for two to three months?

[Gilpesh]

Seriously... Cheney has a bad case of the irony.

[The Senator]

I wonder if Bush would even bother replacing him if he died or just give it to Pelosi for two to three months?

Or he could leave it vacant.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wouldn't matter.

They could put a Gerbal to fill the seat.

Really...our country is actually Leader-less at this point.

We're a plane without a pilot. Or Co-Pilot. We're basically on Auto-Pilot until a new guy gets elected.

[jaguarr]

Wouldn't matter.

They could put a Gerbal to fill the seat.

Really...our country is actually Leader-less at this point.

We're a plane without a pilot. Or Co-Pilot. We're basically on Auto-Pilot until a new guy gets elected.

That's not entirely true. Bush has been saying he has a lot left to do in his last 100 Days. I WISH he'd just go on auto-pilot.

jag

[moraldeficiency]

I've always thought that the only thing that could kill Dick Cheney was....Dick Cheney.


jag

I think Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer or Andre the Giant's reanimated corpse could do it.

[jaguarr]

I think Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer or Andre the Giant's reanimated corpse could do it.

Only if they had access to nuclear weapons and a rocket-ship powerful enough to carry him into space, and even then it's unlikely.

jag

[Gilpesh]

I think Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer or Andre the Giant's reanimated corpse could do it.

And Robot Nixon... that's why he gets my vote in 2016!

[moraldeficiency]

Only if they had access to nuclear weapons and a rocket-ship powerful enough to carry him into space, and even then it's unlikely.

jag

energy weapons can't hurt cheney he's made mainly of nuclear waste and oil runoffs, but some holy water, a young priest and an old priest and the pure innocent love of a child might weaken him enough to kill him.

[jaguarr]

energy weapons can't hurt cheney he's made mainly of nuclear waste and oil runoffs, but some holy water, a young priest and an old priest and the pure innocent love of a child might weaken him enough to kill him.

You fool! The pure, innocent love of a child is something Cheney preys upon! Don't feed into his madness!!!!! And holy water does nothing to the Cheney except maybe complain that it's not Evian.

jag

[moraldeficiency]

You fool! The pure, innocent love of a child is something Cheney preys upon! Don't feed into his madness!!!!! And holy water does nothing to the Cheney except maybe complain that it's not Evian.

jag

I thought it was the misery of children. Look we all need to get together, draw up some type of an "ways to kill evil" tree chart and figure this thing out. Cause right now we seem half assed at best.

[jaguarr]

I thought it was the misery of children. Look we all need to get together, draw up some type of an "ways to kill evil" tree chart and figure this thing out. Cause right now we seem half assed at best.

No, no, it's the destruction of their happy innocence and making their lives miserable that he feeds on. But, yeah, a flow chart or something would come in handy. We're coming off kind of amateurish, here. :(

jag

[Schlosser85]

A South Texas grand jury has indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on charges related to the alleged abuse of prisoners in Willacy County's federal detention centers.
The indictment criticizes Cheney's investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds interests in the private prison companies running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees by working through the prison companies.
Cheney's office said it has not received an indictment yet.
"I think this is a case where it may have hit AP's desk before it hit ours," a Cheney aide told FOX News, referring to The Associated Press.
Gonzales is accused of using his position while in office to stop an investigation into abuses at the federal detention centers.
Another indictment charges state Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr. with profiting from his public office by accepting honoraria from prison management companies.
The indictments were first reported by KRGV-TV.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/18/cheney-gonale-indicted/

Does this have any weight at all?

[Matt]

Probably not. Especially since the idiots filed the indictment prior to Bush leaving office, meaning Bush can just pardon them.

[dnno1]

Probably not. Especially since the idiots filed the indictment prior to Bush leaving office, meaning Bush can just pardon them.

No he can't. Under the Constitution (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec2.html), only Federal criminal convictions can be pardoned by the President (also see the USDOJ (http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm)). They will have to seek a pardon from the Governor of Texas (who is a Republican), but only after they get convicted.

[Hotwire]

Kinda like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, but I'll take it.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Kinda like getting OJ on stealing his **** back.

But, hell people are happy about that one.

[BlackLantern]

Kinda like getting OJ on stealing his **** back.

But, hell people are happy about that one.

Didn't he sell it to them in the first place??

[Addendum]

And any money from that sale would go to the Goldman's

[Nivek]

They have been talking about these Prison groups on the Howard Stern show. Apparently, Kenneth Kieth Calimbaugh (sp?) a former wack packer, died at one of their Prisons after he was denied needed medical treatment.

As far as Cheney and Gonzales getting from this, I have my doubts. I think they have a Goodfellas by way of the CIA fate heading their way after Bush leaves office.

[ScottyBBadd]

This surprises anyone how?

[Oddzball]

Probably not. Especially since the idiots filed the indictment prior to Bush leaving office, meaning Bush can just pardon them.

Bush could pardon Texas offenses back when he governed Texas. As President, his pardon powers are restricted to Federal crimes. He cannot stop this indictment, although there is fairly good constitutional argument that a sitting President (and presumably VP as well) cannot be indicted until either Impeached/covicted or term expiration. (Ok or death, though indicting a corpse is innately stupid.)

Although representing the case after 1/20/09 may be all that is needed.

[Heretic]

Let me get this straight...The Dark Lord Cheney had stock in a company that had stock in a company that owned a prison where some prisoner abuse happened.

How does this equate that Sata...Cheney should be indicted?

[Oddzball]

Let me get this straight...The Dark Lord Cheney had stock in a company that had stock in a company that owned a prison where some prisoner abuse happened.

How does this equate that Sata...Cheney should be indicted?

If he had enough postion to have been on the Company's board of directors, he might, under Texas law, if for no other reason than I'm unfamiliar with the laws of Texas, be held accountable. But, this sounds odd to me too.

[Heretic]

From what I understand, his stock was in some kind of mutual fund...and he didnt even have stock in the company that owned the prison...the company he had stock in had stock in it...Mr Evil may be innocent of this one...

[Timstuff]

This isn't going to go anywhere unless it's validated in a fedaral court. A state court's conviction on a national politician isn't the law of the land, because otherwise it would open the door for abuse by politicians. Hypothetically, let's say a politician wanted to have one of my state's senator removed from office, because he was getting in the way of their political agenda. They could use their political influence in their own state to have him arrested on charges of corruption, and then my state loses one of its senators. His policies get tainted by the arrest, and therefore my state's voters would be more likely to vote for the other party's candidate in the next election.

However, because of the system that's in place, the charges have to go through a federal court before anything were to happen. If the court finds that the conviction given by the other state is bogus / politically motivated, then they'll throw it out, and my senator gets to keep his job and most of his dignity.

In any case though, it really doesn't matter. Cheney is retiring in 2 months anyway, so this basically seems like a last-minute attempt to put some additional shame on him before he leaves office. In the unlikely event that he actually gets convicted of a crime in federal court though, Bush will bail him out with a presidential pardon (I mean, it's not like it's going to affect his autobiography's sales). I really can't help but wonder why they waited until after the election to do this though-- or Bush's last year in office, for that matter.

[Addendum]

When did Cheney ever have dignity

[Timstuff]

The only dignity Cheney knows is the kind you dig for. :p

[Addendum]

So his dignity is his dingleberries?

[Timstuff]

They're old and floppy by now, so probably not. I was thinking "nity" is a made up word for some valuable resource that Cheney desires enough that he'd dig for it. :p

[Kelly]

Nada will happen...

[Oddzball]

This isn't going to go anywhere unless it's validated in a fedaral court. A state court's conviction on a national politician isn't the law of the land, because otherwise it would open the door for abuse by politicians. Hypothetically, let's say a politician wanted to have one of my state's senator removed from office, because he was getting in the way of their political agenda. They could use their political influence in their own state to have him arrested on charges of corruption, and then my state loses one of its senators. His policies get tainted by the arrest, and therefore my state's voters would be more likely to vote for the other party's candidate in the next election.

However, because of the system that's in place, the charges have to go through a federal court before anything were to happen. If the court finds that the conviction given by the other state is bogus / politically motivated, then they'll throw it out, and my senator gets to keep his job and most of his dignity.

In any case though, it really doesn't matter. Cheney is retiring in 2 months anyway, so this basically seems like a last-minute attempt to put some additional shame on him before he leaves office. In the unlikely event that he actually gets convicted of a crime in federal court though, Bush will bail him out with a presidential pardon (I mean, it's not like it's going to affect his autobiography's sales). I really can't help but wonder why they waited until after the election to do this though-- or Bush's last year in office, for that matter.

He hasn't been convicted, so it can't be overturned yet. Not at the speed courts generally move at.

However, STATE court convictions can only be overturned by a Federal court if there is either a violation of Federal law or if it is shown to be unconstiturion re: the US Constitution. In general, Federal courts have no standing re: State laws.

In all events, at this stage, only the indictment could be slapped down by the court on the grounds that the VP office has a perk that prohibits indictments. It can be brought up again after Noon Eastern time on Jan. 20th.

Richard Nixon was an unindicted Co-Conspirator during Watergate, but then that was a fedearl unindictment and Nixon was President at the time.

Can a sitting nationally elected office holder be indicted? Apparently a DA in Texas thinks he can be. Gonzales is likely in deeper trouble. Bush can't help him, and he's not a Cabinet member now.

[dnno1]

This isn't going to go anywhere unless it's validated in a fedaral court. A state court's conviction on a national politician isn't the law of the land, because otherwise it would open the door for abuse by politicians. Hypothetically, let's say a politician wanted to have one of my state's senator removed from office, because he was getting in the way of their political agenda. They could use their political influence in their own state to have him arrested on charges of corruption, and then my state loses one of its senators. His policies get tainted by the arrest, and therefore my state's voters would be more likely to vote for the other party's candidate in the next election.

However, because of the system that's in place, the charges have to go through a federal court before anything were to happen. If the court finds that the conviction given by the other state is bogus / politically motivated, then they'll throw it out, and my senator gets to keep his job and most of his dignity.

In any case though, it really doesn't matter. Cheney is retiring in 2 months anyway, so this basically seems like a last-minute attempt to put some additional shame on him before he leaves office. In the unlikely event that he actually gets convicted of a crime in federal court though, Bush will bail him out with a presidential pardon (I mean, it's not like it's going to affect his autobiography's sales). I really can't help but wonder why they waited until after the election to do this though-- or Bush's last year in office, for that matter.

I don't think you have to worry so much about this one. According to a New York Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/us/20texas.html?ex=1242795600&en=903e96dbca700497&ei=5087&excamp=GGGNgonzalesnews&WT.srch=1&WT.mc_ev=click&WT.mc_id=GN-S-E-GG-NA-S-gonzales_news), this is basically retaliation from an out going DA in Willacy County, Texas. Apparently the DA lost a reelection bid after being indicted himself on charges of theft and tampering (his charges were dropped later on after losing). Disgruntled, I am sure this was his response. This more than likely won't stick, but it does bring up a good point. A president can not pardon sombody for a non-federal crime. Had they gotten these guys on something like that earlier it could have been pulled off. As for your claim about a state court's conviction on a national polititian not being law of the land, I wonder where you get your information from? How soon do we forget Idaho Senator, Larry (foot tapping) Craig who had to resign for his conviction for disorderly conduct in a men's bathroom (that wasn't a federal offense). I think the general rule is that a Senator can hold his post as long as he can get reelected and still maintains his right to vote. If he is convicted of a felony, he has to step down, but in a number of cases, they can be asked to resign for just a misdemeanor (depending on what it is).

[Cosmic]

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/18/wilkerson-cheney-evil/

Colin Powell’s former chief of staff: Cheney is ‘evil,’ his fearmongering is ‘assisting’ al Qaeda.

Weeks after President Obama was inaugurated, Dick Cheney gave an interview to Politico slamming Obama’s detainee policies and warning that he was making America less safe (charges he repeated again last Sunday). Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former chief of staff who left the Bush administration in protest, wrote an essay on the Washington Note last evening slamming Cheney’s fearmongering. Wilkerson calls Cheney “evil” and says his detainee policies were only “assisting” terrorists:

Cheney went on to say in his McLean interview that “Protecting the country’s security is a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business. These are evil people and we are not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.” I have to agree but the other way around. Cheney and his like are the evil people and we certainly are not going to prevail in the struggle with radical religion if we listen to people as he. […]

But al-Qa’ida will be back. Iraq, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, heavily-biased U.S. support for Israel, and a host of other strategic errors have insured al-Qa’ida’s resilience, staying power and motivation. How we deal with the future attacks of this organization and its cohorts could well seal our fate, for good or bad. Osama bin Laden and his brain trust, Aman al-Zawahiri, are counting on us to produce the bad. With people such as Cheney assisting them, they are far more likely to succeed.

Wilkerson also writes that Powell and Richard Armitage “labored to ameliorate the GITMO situation from almost day one” but that Rumsfeld and Cheney were “[s]tanding resolutely” in the way and would “have none of it.”

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cheney-snarl.jpg

[Hobgoblin]

Some general thoughts:
1. I wouldnt call Cheney evil but he was short sighted. Playing the role of the tough as nails badass only works as long as you are being effective in your job. Otherwise, you are just seen as a bully. Our allies dont like that.
2. Being a bully is one thing, but being an incompetent bully is something else. Invading Iraq played right into bin Ladens hands. We over reacted to 9-11 and have been draining our resources ever since.
3. On the other hand, Cheney is right in saying that national security is a mean, nasty business. Its good to be tough, but be smart and tough.
4. Slamming the former VP does nothing.Its a pointless distraction. He is out of power and we need to get to work on the nations problems.

[Kelly]

Well said.....that goes along with Gibbs comments as well. I'm really getting tired of all of this looking back....................because all its going to cause, is someone, "maybe even the president", walking flat into a wall.

[Cosmic]

I don't agree. Politics is war. You either defend yourself when attacked, or the enemy will either gradually take what you give them until they've won, or just pummel you into the dirt. Cheney's not in power, but he still has influence. Obviously, the Prez can't always swing back at all the people taking shots at him, so surrogates are going to pop up and give him a hand. In this case, here's someone who held a key position in the Bush administration and resigned, who's firing back at Cheney and setting the record straight.

[Kelly]

I don't agree. Politics is war. You either defend yourself when attacked, or the enemy will either gradually take what you give them until they've won, or just pummel you into the dirt. Cheney's not in power, but he still has influence. Obviously, the Prez can't always swing back at all the people taking shots at him, so surrogates are going to pop up and give him a hand. In this case, here's someone who held a key position in the Bush administration and resigned, who's firing back at Cheney and setting the record straight.


Well, honestly the way I look at this is the fact that Cheney is breaking the unwritten rule of speaking negatively about a sitting president. You are not going to hear anything from Bush, or his dad. You will not hear anything from Clinton. So yeah, Cheney opened that door. But, I will stand by Gibbs. Gibbs is the voice to the press, and what he said was damn stupid. If I were president I would give him one more chance, if he pulled a freelance like that again, he would be stepping down in days.

[The Senator]

I wouldn't call Cheney evil, either, but his actions certainly are reprehensible considering he knowingly abused his authority as Vice President. His fear mongering in his post-Vice Presidency is also uncalled for, in my opinion.

[Hobgoblin]

I wouldn't call Cheney evil, either, but his actions certainly are reprehensible considering he knowingly abused his authority as Vice President. His fear mongering in his post-Vice Presidency is also uncalled for, in my opinion.

Well, they always said that loyalty was fierce in the Bush administration. I guess loyalty to the policies remains strong now that they are out of power.

[Shemtov]

Ex-Vice President Dick Cheney was found laying on his bed today, with a bottle of open pills nearby. His wife called the Ambulance immediatly. A note was found under his pillow:
The world is unbearible.
I've garnered a reputation of being the worst VP ever.
I hope this attones for my crimes.

The ex-Vice President is in stable condition.

http://tinyurl.com/coecr8 (the address was long so I had to Tinyurl it.)

[Kane52630]

lol april fools....right?

[arachnid-guy]

Fool April.

[Eggyman]

'Attempts suicide'? ****er can't even do that right.

[Mister J]

It wouldn't even take looking at the calendar to give this one away. I don't think particularly high of Cheney, but I'm of the mind that the man could pass a 5th grade spelling test, even while loaded up on barbiturates.

[DV8]

The human incarnate of of Satan would never attempt suicide . . . :o

[Majic Walrus]

:facepalm

[Shemtov]

April Fools!

[ShadowBoxing]

Cheney would never attempt suicide, he'd just strangle another baby and move on with his life.

[Kable24]

The Internet sucks on April 1st.

[mrvlknight21]

All of the typos/misspelled words kind of gave it away.

[Carcharodon]

April Fools!Yeah. Way ahead of you on that one.

[TEDDY]

'Attempts suicide'? ****er can't even do that right.

Well he obviously can't shoot well. Probably put the gun to his head and somehow shot his dog.


:o

[Shemtov]

Anybody click on the tinyurl?

'Attempts suicide'? ****er can't even do that right.
Are talking about my failed april fools joke or Dick Cheneys (false) suicide fail?

[Eggyman]

Well he obviously can't shoot well. Probably put the gun to his head and somehow shot his dog.


:o

:D

Anybody click on the tinyurl?


Are talking about my failed april fools joke or Dick Cheneys (false) suicide fail?

The latter, dewdy.