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hippie_hunter
01-09-2008, 07:23 PM
Look it up on CNN, nothing major just yet, but their breaking news is stating that Bill Richardson will drop out according to the Associated Press.
Excel
01-09-2008, 07:24 PM
Just saw it.
Now we need Edwards to leave and Richardson to become Barracks vp, and were set.
hippie_hunter
01-09-2008, 07:27 PM
I think Kucinich needs to drop out more than Richardson. Though they should both drop out since the only ones who have a chance are Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.
rdh007
01-09-2008, 07:29 PM
I agree.
In all honesty, both he and Kucinich lost my support when they gave their delegates to Obama. Aside from him being idealogically opposite of them, the fact that they would spit in their voters faces in order to pander to a possible nominee disgusts me. Those voters did not vote for Obama for a reason and they deserve better representation than to just be handed off.
Yes, he's going to make it official tomorrow......
Just saw it.
Now we need Edwards to leave and Richardson to become Barracks vp, and were set.
Excel, you do know the odds of Richardson being elected Obama's VP are very, very slim...right? The purpose of the VP nomination is to balance the ticket and Richardson doesn't do that in the least. The only person he would balance the ticket for is Edwards. Richardson's best bet is a repeat run of secretary of energy or secretary of state in an Obama cabinet. You admitted in the Iowa caucus thread that you really don't know what you are talking about, so no offense...but you should probably research some things before you make claims like that. Or at least read a Wikipedia article on probable VP choices for Obama.
Excel
01-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Thats my personal wish, what I think will happen.
Thats my personal wish, what I think will happen.
But...it won't. You really need to do some reading Excel. I think it is great that you are taking an interest in politics, but these are debate heavy forums and most people who come in here, ranging from Spider-Bite to Kel, from H_H to Steve Rogers know their ****. If you come in here spouting off ridiculous predictions and statements that you don't understand (like your prediction that Obama will have the election 'locked' if he wins SC and NV) you are going to make a fool of yourself. Do some reading, friend. Spend a couple hours on CNN.com or even Wikipedia. Learn the facts, then debate them. Not the other way around.
hippie_hunter
01-09-2008, 07:37 PM
Thats my personal wish, what I think will happen.
Ain't gonna happen. Richardson will most likely end up in a Cabinet position of either Clinton or Obama like Secretary of State.
I think Edwards will end up to be Obama's VP and Clark will be Clinton's if one of them gets the nomination.
Thats my personal wish, what I think will happen.
Even though I think Richardson would make a great VP......I don't see Obama choosing him.
Edward's would be a better bet, but Edward's is not going to get the nomination.....
It will be very interesting who Hillary chooses.......If she goes with her own choice.....it will be a man that has a weaker personality than she does......if she goes with her consultants, it will be someone that has great personal appeal to the American populous.....
Excel
01-09-2008, 07:40 PM
Meant to type "not what I think will happen".
I would also say Edwards will be his vp form the way Edwards seems to be positioning himself to do so.
Meant to type "not what I think will happen".
I would also say Edwards will be his vp form the way Edwards seems to be positioning himself to do so.
What? You really need to do some reading Excel. If anything, Edwards is trying to position himself for a position with Hillary. His staying in the race is hurting Obama, not helping him.
I think Edwards will end up to be Obama's VP and Clark will be Clinton's if one of them gets the nomination.
No way, Edwards knows his campaign is just about dead, yet he will not drop out until after Super Tuesday. Don't have to have binoculars to see the strings being pulled there. Edwards staying in the race is plain and simple, pandering to Clinton. Besides, Edwards isn't a safe pick for Obama. Too much inexperience on one ticket.
Excel
01-09-2008, 07:47 PM
What? You really need to do some reading Excel. If anything, Edwards is trying to position himself for a position with Hillary. His staying in the race is hurting Obama, not helping him.
Matt what? Edwards is slamming Clinton more than anybody; I dont see how hes trying to set himself up to get with her? I would think him selling himself as an agent of change and sticking up for barrack in debates is way of getting Barracks good side.
hippie_hunter
01-09-2008, 07:50 PM
No way, Edwards knows his campaign is just about dead, yet he will not drop out until after Super Tuesday. Don't have to have binoculars to see the strings being pulled there. Edwards staying in the race is plain and simple, pandering to Clinton. Besides, Edwards isn't a safe pick for Obama. Too much inexperience on one ticket.
I don't think experience is something Obama is pandering too. His entire campaign is based on change, something that Edwards also stands for.
Also he's a white Southern guy to balance the black northerner.
Matt what? Edwards is slamming Clinton more than anybody; I dont see how hes trying to set himself up to get with her? I would think him selling himself as an agent of change and sticking up for barrack in debates is way of getting Barracks good side.
He is slamming her because he still has a slight chance of winning and is trying to get some of Obama's vote (which is his one chance of winning). Its not because him and Obama are buddies. His staying in the race is hurting Obama's campaign. If he dropped out after Iowa, Obama would've easily won New Hampshire. He is hurting Obama and will continue to do so. His people know it, Obama's people know it, and Hillary's people know it.
Anguissette1979
01-09-2008, 07:54 PM
It will be very interesting who Hillary chooses.......If she goes with her own choice.....it will be a man that has a weaker personality than she does......if she goes with her consultants, it will be someone that has great personal appeal to the American populous.....
As I mentioned in the NH thread I think Gen. Wesley Clark has some great potential. I got to meet him personally several times when he was running for the nomination in 2004 and he is a fascinating, intelligent, knowledgeable man who I believe would compliment Ms. Clinton quite nicely. :up:
As I mentioned in the NH thread I think Gen. Wesley Clark has some great potential. I got to meet him personally several times when he was running for the nomination in 2004 and he is a fascinating, intelligent, knowledgeable man who I believe would compliment Ms. Clinton quite nicely. :up:
That's a possibility, and he might be someone that she and her consultants could agree on..........very possible.
I don't think experience is something Obama is pandering too. His entire campaign is based on change, something that Edwards also stands for.
Also he's a white Southern guy to balance the black northerner.
If Obama gets the nomination though, you can bet your ass the DNC will be worried about experience. Amd since the DNC will be the ones dumping all the money into Obama's campaign and the ones coordinating the nation wide campaign, you can bet your ass he will listen to them. Besides, if Obama is not worried about experience, he will go for Tim Kaine of Virginia who has been one of his most vocal supporters or if he really wants North Carolina, he will take Mike Easley. He is more popular than Edwards in the state, has more experience, and will pretty much lock him NC's 15 electoral votes.
Anguissette1979
01-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Obama would need a Joe Biden or the like... in fact, I think Joe Biden might possibly make a nice VP.
Obama would need a Joe Biden or the like... in fact, I think Joe Biden might possibly make a nice VP.
As much as I like Biden. I don't think the DNC would allow it. I mean, a Northern, liberal senator with a middle state, liberal senator? I think the DNC will want someone with executive experience who appeals to southern states. If I had to guess what Obama's short list would be, it would be Tim Kaine, Mike Easely, or Bob Graham.
Prison Mike
01-09-2008, 08:32 PM
I think Obama will pick Edwards as his vp. They make a pretty good team.
Arkady Rossovich
01-09-2008, 09:02 PM
I expected as much,expect the field to clear up in later months.
Steve Rogers
01-09-2008, 09:27 PM
In all honesty, both he and Kucinich lost my support when they gave their delegates to Obama.Yeah, that pissed me off. I felt cheated lol. Well, if Richardson drops out, I will shake my pom poms for Edwards.
rdh007
01-09-2008, 09:36 PM
If she wins the nomination and it's not Clark, I'll be shocked.
Steve Rogers
01-09-2008, 09:38 PM
If she wins the nomination and it's not Clark, I'll be shocked.
If it is Clark, even I'll vote for Hillary, all the while telling myself that I am really voting for Clark as VP.
Anguissette1979
01-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Out of curiosity - did any of you support Clark in 2004?
I would have if he wasn't so stupid as to drop out of Iowa, kill any chance he had and drop out of the entire race, like, 3 states later. I believe I voted Kucinich in the primary.
Steve Rogers
01-09-2008, 09:57 PM
Out of curiosity - did any of you support Clark in 2004?
I did, but like Matt said, he pretty much shot himself in the foot in by dropping out of Iowa. I have no idea why he did that. But I loved the guy. Saw him speak. I was like, This is the guy for the job. Then he drops Iowa. I was confused.
I did, but like Matt said, he pretty much shot himself in the foot in by dropping out of Iowa. I have no idea why he did that. But I loved the guy. Saw him speak. I was like, This is the guy for the job. Then he drops Iowa. I was confused.
He either believed Dean was truly unbeatable...or it was his job to cut into the Dean momentum in Iowa, drop out at the last moment, send most of his supporters Kerry's way (as they were the most similiar) and then he would get the position of Secretary of Defense if Kerry won. Of course, that is just my crazy conspiracy theory :cwink:
Steve Rogers
01-09-2008, 10:00 PM
He either believed Dean was truly unbeatable...or it was his job to cut into the Dean momentum in Iowa, drop out at the last moment, send most of his supporters Kerry's way (as they were the most similiar) and then he would get the position of Secretary of Defense if Kerry won. Of course, that is just my crazy conspiracy theory :cwink:Oh. I thought maybe it was a money thing.
rdh007
01-09-2008, 10:09 PM
Out of curiosity - did any of you support Clark in 2004?
Nah. Kerry.
Out of curiosity - did any of you support Clark in 2004?
No, I wrote in my name....
Chris B
01-09-2008, 11:22 PM
What? You really need to do some reading Excel. If anything, Edwards is trying to position himself for a position with Hillary. His staying in the race is hurting Obama, not helping him.
From my perspective, a Hillary/Edwards ticket wouldn't be that bad, IMO.
From my perspective, a Hillary/Edwards ticket wouldn't be that bad, IMO.
I think it would actually be a pretty decent duo...But the way Clark has been campaigning and donating I really think he has it locked up. Unless of course he wants another job like Secretary of Defense. At any rate, I truly believe, whatever Clark wants in a Hillary Clinton administration, be it VP, Defense Secretary or any other post...he has it.
Chris B
01-09-2008, 11:41 PM
I think it would actually be a pretty decent duo...But the way Clark has been campaigning and donating I really think he has it locked up. Unless of course he wants another job like Secretary of Defense. At any rate, I truly believe, whatever Clark wants in a Hillary Clinton administration, be it VP, Defense Secretary or any other post...he has it.
You're probably right about Clark. I've always felt that Hillary's VP shortlist would come down to either him, Bayh, or Vilsack.
If Hillary gets the ticket, she will need Edward's or Clark to balance her out.....both could do the job.
bored
01-14-2008, 05:19 PM
No more Bill Richardson makes me sad.
The Senator
02-26-2008, 11:54 PM
If anyone's been following Bill Richardson since he dropped out of the race about a month ago, you're aware of two things: First, he's rumored to be endorsing either Clinton or Obama in the coming days, and second, he's gone the Al Gore route by growing a beard to console himself over his loss:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard2.jpg
So, what do you all think? Is this a ploy for attention? An act of desperation? Or do you think the beard makes him the biggest bag of sexiness in all of politics?
Discuss away.
StorminNorman
02-26-2008, 11:55 PM
Richardson should keep the facial hair.
LuiECuomo
02-26-2008, 11:58 PM
Indeed, he looks fatter without it.
Lightning Strykez!
02-26-2008, 11:59 PM
As you can see I have a beard just like his (albeit a lot more trimmed and groomed). :) And people say that Beards are teh sex, so...I guess he's sexy. :p
The Senator
02-27-2008, 12:01 AM
Indeed, he looks fatter without it.
It definitely covers up that neck flab quite nicely. Maybe Chris Dodd should think about growing one, too?
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/11/02/t1home.dodd.gi.jpg
The Senator
02-27-2008, 12:02 AM
As you can see I have a beard just like his (albeit a lot more trimmed and groomed). :) And people say that Beards are teh sex, so...I guess he's sexy. :p
Beards are teh sex.
Unless you're like me and can't grow the mustache part :csad:
Lightning Strykez!
02-27-2008, 12:04 AM
Beards are teh sex.
Unless you're like me and can't grow the mustache part :csad:
Staches don't ensure sexiness. I've worn my goatee without a stache and some people liked it even better. So...:down::up:
Its high time Beards came back into politics.
none of this chinstrap nonsense either...
i want some gandalf lookin MF'ers up in congress...
jaguarr
02-27-2008, 01:41 PM
Bill would be President right now if he'd had that beard about 6 months ago. It's true.
jag
bell110
02-27-2008, 03:27 PM
:up: beards.
rdh007
02-28-2008, 08:22 AM
Its high time Beards came back into politics.
none of this chinstrap nonsense either...
i want some gandalf lookin MF'ers up in congress...
Yoooouuu...Shall....Not....Passs!!!! this bill.
Yoooouuu...Shall....Not....Passs!!!! this bill.
:applaud
Only men with beards can deal with truly frightening stuff... like this
http://bulapictures.com/gal/95/1.jpg
get your beard on or move out, like right now
Darthphere
02-28-2008, 09:25 AM
Bill would be President right now if he'd had that beard about 6 months ago. It's true.
jag
He looks pervy enough to win the Presidency, correct.
Krypton Girl
02-28-2008, 09:29 AM
I think Bill looks great! :woot: I'm just glad he's home working on stuff that needs to get done here instead of trying to be president anymore.
rdh007
02-28-2008, 02:30 PM
I actually read that Bill Richardson's beard killed Chuck Norris using the arm of Jack Bauer (whom the beard killed with a lethal combination of roundhouse kicks and a made for TV "neck twist" from behind) and the leg of Bob Sanders (which it achieved through an understanding of Mutually Assured Destruction and Sanders' ability to regenerate) as nunchucks.
Source:
http://bill.richardsons.beard.youaremighty.com/
jaguarr
02-28-2008, 02:39 PM
Bob Sanders' leg must have been on loan to Richardson's beard then, because Bob Sanders is immortal and cannot be killed or dismembered by anyone but himself. Period. Only Bob Sanders is powerful enough to kill or dismember Bob Sanders.
jag
bored
02-28-2008, 09:26 PM
If anyone's been following Bill Richardson since he dropped out of the race about a month ago, you're aware of two things: First, he's rumored to be endorsing either Clinton or Obama in the coming days, and second, he's gone the Al Gore route by growing a beard to console himself over his loss:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/richardsonbeard2.jpg
So, what do you all think? Is this a ploy for attention? An act of desperation? Or do you think the beard makes him the biggest bag of sexiness in all of politics?
Discuss away.
He's even more beautiful than before:wow: !
YsoSerious
02-29-2008, 10:03 AM
Maybe Hillary should grow a beard.
bell110
02-29-2008, 11:49 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3228/2300569370_318c22d6f2_o.gif
Yes, very presidential. :)
Lightning Strykez!
02-29-2008, 01:31 PM
Remarkably enough she looks like King David. :lmao:
jaguarr
02-29-2008, 01:44 PM
I'd hit it! :up:
Okay, not really. :vomit:
jag
Excel
03-21-2008, 02:01 PM
SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, the nation's only Hispanic governor, is endorsing Sen. Barack Obama for president, calling him a "once-in-a- lifetime leader" who can unite the nation and restore America's international leadership.
Richardson, who dropped out of the Democratic race in January, is to appear with Obama on Friday at a campaign event in Portland, Ore., The Associated Press has learned.
The governor's endorsement comes as Obama leads among delegates selected at primaries and caucuses but with national public opinion polling showing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton pulling ahead of him amid controversy over statements by his former pastor.
Richardson has been relentlessly wooed by Obama and Clinton for his endorsement. As a Democratic superdelegate, the governor plays a part in the tight race for nominating votes and could bring other superdelegates to Obama's side. He also has been mentioned as a potential running mate for either candidate.
No primaries are scheduled until Pennsylvania's on April 22, a gap in time Obama hopes to use for such announcements to assert that he is the front-runner for the nomination.
"I believe he is the kind of once-in-a-lifetime leader that can bring our nation together and restore America's moral leadership in the world," Richardson said in a statement obtained by the AP. "As a presidential candidate, I know full well Sen. Obama's unique moral ability to inspire the American people to confront our urgent challenges at home and abroad in a spirit of bipartisanship and reconciliation."
Richardson's endorsement also could help Obama pick up support among Hispanics, who are the nation's largest and fastest-growing minority.
Clinton has been the favorite of Hispanics in primaries and caucuses, according to exit polls. She won the New Mexico caucus in early February with a nearly 2-to-1 advantage among Hispanics.
Richardson backed Obama despite his ties to Clinton and her husband, the former president. He served as ambassador to the U.N. and as secretary of the Energy Department during the Clinton administration. Last month, Richardson and former President Clinton watched the Super Bowl together at the governor's residence in Santa Fe.
Richardson praised Hillary Clinton as a "distinguished leader with vast experience." But the governor said Obama "will be a historic and great president, who can bring us the change we so desperately need by bringing us together as a nation here at home and with our allies abroad."
"There is no doubt in my mind that Barack Obama has the judgment and courage we need in a commander in chief when our nation's security is on the line. He showed this judgment by opposing the Iraq war from the start, and he has show it during this campaign by standing up for a new era in American leadership internationally," Richardson said.
Obama said he was "deeply honored" to have Richardson's support.
"Whether it's fighting to end the Iraq war or stop the genocide in Darfur or prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists, Gov. Richardson has been a powerful voice on issues of global security, peace and justice, earning five Nobel Peace Prize nominations," Obama said in a statement.
like it
redfirebird2008
03-21-2008, 02:03 PM
Here's a pretty funny story that Richardson tells about one of the debates. Richardson got caught not paying attention and Obama bailed him out by whispering Katrina to him and he was able to improv his answer and not look like a complete idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQzJiEnwx4
comicgirl
03-21-2008, 02:05 PM
like it:applaud:applaud
rdh007
03-21-2008, 03:22 PM
I will expect that all vocal Richardson supporters on here will follow their candidates lead. You know who you are.
Just messin' with ya.
The Senator
03-21-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't know if this will have any effect... he's about two months too late...
Excel
03-21-2008, 03:29 PM
Yup, Obamas already got it in the bag though I would love a pairing of these 2.
rdh007
03-21-2008, 03:32 PM
I don't know if this will have any effect... he's about two months too late...
I agree. She's in control at this point. Though I think he waited that long out of respect for the Clintons. I suppose he could've kept quiet all along, if that were the case. I think he didn't want to look disrespectful to a former boss, still, if I had to guess.
Excel
03-21-2008, 03:34 PM
Hillarys far from in control; she's down big and her 2 real chances at taking a popular vote or delegate lead just died.
redfirebird2008
03-21-2008, 03:34 PM
I don't know if this will have any effect... he's about two months too late...
I agree. The meaning of it is that this 1 undecided superdelegate has made his decision.
The Senator
03-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Hillarys far from in control; she's down big and her 2 real chances at taking a popular vote or delegate lead just died.
If she wins the remaining states and would have a lead in the popular vote if MI and FL were included, many within the party believe she would make a strong case at the convention. Most super delegates who are undecided have made it clear that they will support the winner of the popular vote. If Hillary wins the popular vote, then by all means, she should win this.
So she's far from dead. Especially since she has between a 20-30% lead in Pennsylvania, and Obama's lead has evaporated in North Carolina and Indiana. She also has a thirty point lead in West Virginia.
Obama has some serious, serious work ahead of him.
Excel
03-21-2008, 03:47 PM
She wont win Penn by 15% or more and she win NC. Itll be all over.
redfirebird2008
03-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Count Florida all you want in the popular vote count, but you cannot include her votes from Michigan when the other major players (Edwards and Obama) weren't on the ballot.
The Senator
03-21-2008, 03:53 PM
She wont win Penn by 15% or more and she win NC. Itll be all over.
I strongly disagree.
Obama doesn't have much going for him there.
Even the African American population is weary on him. A poll issued in Philly showed that 58% of African Americans were considering Obama... and since Obama managed to snipe off 90% of the African American population elsewhere, that may be a huge blow for him. Considering the mayors of Philly (who is African American) and Pittsburgh (who is young and apparently inspiring), as well as the extremely popular governor of PA, have endorsed Clinton, Obama faces a difficult uphill battle against her.
Plus, his pastor's comments certainly haven't played well in the parts of the state between Pittsburgh and Philly, which is whiter than an egg shell. I have a feeling he will be crushed in this state.
As for NC... well... anything may happen there, but considering the demography... Hillary has an edge with the traditionally conservative Democrats which make up a fair amount of Democratic voters in that state.
It'll be interesting to see.
Franklin Richards
03-21-2008, 03:55 PM
What a betrayal by Richardson. I mean if the guy went with his gut, I understand, but the Clintons did alot for his career.
:thing: :doom: :thing:
redfirebird2008
03-21-2008, 03:56 PM
What a betrayal by Richardson. I mean if the guy went with his gut, I understand, but the Clintons did alot for his career.
:thing: :doom: :thing:
He has admitted he does not know Hillary that well but that he has a ton of loyalty for Bill. Perhaps that's why he waited so long to endorse. His endorsement is basically meaningless at this point.
I will expect that all vocal Richardson supporters on here will follow their candidates lead. You know who you are.
Just messin' with ya.
As the only real Richardson supporter, this changes nothing. Him being promised a cabinet position in exchange for a speech really doesn't effect my views all that much. :cwink:
The Senator
03-21-2008, 03:58 PM
What a betrayal by Richardson. I mean if the guy went with his gut, I understand, but the Clintons did alot for his career.
:thing: :doom: :thing:
That's a little how I feel.
But honestly, this doesn't really help Obama at all. New Mexico's primary was almost two months ago, and Hillary won it. Plus, there are no states left with huge Hispanic populations... unless you count Puerto Rico... so he doesn't help bring in a certain demographic for Obama.
If he wanted to have any impact on the race, he should've endorsed three weeks ago, or right after he dropped out of the race.
comicgirl
03-21-2008, 05:46 PM
The Richardson endorsement speaks VOLUMES about Rodham-Clinton.
Richardson was a cabinet member of Bill Clinton, and worked closely with the Clinton campaign. He knows Bill/Hill well, and yet he doesn't endorse them? I wonder why? :meanie:
I'll see your Murtha and raise you a Richardson.
BTW - A person is more than an endlessly looped 30 second clip.
Franklin Richards
03-21-2008, 05:47 PM
Bandwagon? Hope to get a new job?
:thing: :doom: :thing:
I really don't see how Richardson is going to have any effect. As Jman said earlier, he's a little late. (Not that it would matter anyway.) Hillary has sweeping support in his target groups. I personally don't think he has the kind of influence that some may give him credit for.
bored
03-21-2008, 07:03 PM
Neat. For a while, I was really considering Richardson.
Superman4ever
03-21-2008, 07:05 PM
Here's a pretty funny story that Richardson tells about one of the debates. Richardson got caught not paying attention and Obama bailed him out by whispering Katrina to him and he was able to improv his answer and not look like a complete idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQzJiEnwx4
That's hilarious!
\S/JcDc\S/
03-21-2008, 07:11 PM
He's so much more likeable when he isn't saying "When I become President"
:o
Excel
03-21-2008, 07:21 PM
The Richardson endorsement speaks VOLUMES about Rodham-Clinton.
Richardson was a cabinet member of Bill Clinton, and worked closely with the Clinton campaign. He knows Bill/Hill well, and yet he doesn't endorse them? I wonder why? :meanie:
Dont look too far into it; I think it has a lot more to do with how he feels about Obama than how he doesnt feel about Hillary.
Masamune
03-21-2008, 07:23 PM
I was at the Portland Rally!
it was awesome!
Obama 2008!
Lightning Strykez!
03-22-2008, 01:09 AM
I wonder if certain people on this board would be saying that Richardson's endorsement is "meaningless" if he had gone for Hillary? :rolleyes: I'm just sayin...
Anyway, this is great news for Barack Obama. Not sure how anyone could spin this into a negative at this point. It is much-needed good PR after a week of controversial "vetting" for the Illinois Senator.
The Senator
03-22-2008, 01:13 AM
I wonder if people would be saying that Richardson's endorsement is "meaningless" if he had gone for Hillary? :rolleyes:
I'm just sayin...
I would have. Richardson's endorsement mattered the most before Super Tuesday... you know, when his state voted in the primary and was actually pretty damn close... had Richardson endorsed Obama then, it may have swung the state in Obama's favor, considering the two were separated by about a thousand votes (if it was even that high). Hell, it may have even helped Obama win Arizona then, too.
His endorsement mattered a lot before Texas and Ohio. It may have swung more of the Hispanic vote in Obama's favor.
Now, it doesn't mean much at all. All it is for Obama is another superdelegate. That's what it would have been for Hillary, too, at this point.
I've been arguing for a while among friends that Richardson's endorsement wouldn't matter for either candidate... now that he's endorsed, I still believe the same thing.
Lightning Strykez!
03-22-2008, 01:23 AM
Okay.
Excel
03-22-2008, 01:33 AM
This is good; hes who I want as Obamas VP. He had the best expirience of any democrat running (executive position as governor, cabinent members for clintons).
The Senator
03-22-2008, 01:37 AM
This is good; hes who I want as Obamas VP. He had the best expirience of any democrat running (executive position as governor, cabinent members for clintons).
Obama-Richardson is doomed to failure. As trite as it sounds, there aren't enough white folks on the ticket.
(That's NOT how I personally view it, btw... I think Richardson would be a strong VP choice for both of them)
Lightning Strykez!
03-22-2008, 01:40 AM
Obama-Richardson is doomed to failure. As trite as it sounds, there aren't enough white folks on the ticket.
(That's NOT how I personally view it, btw... I think Richardson would be a strong VP choice for both of them)
Agreed.
What Obama needs to do is bring on Governor Sebellius.
hippie_hunter
03-22-2008, 01:41 AM
I'd rather see Richardson be Secretary of State than VP.
Excel
03-22-2008, 01:43 AM
Obama-Richardson is doomed to failure. As trite as it sounds, there aren't enough white folks on the ticket.
(That's NOT how I personally view it, btw... I think Richardson would be a strong VP choice for both of them)
Heh, thats true. Hillary would be his ideal candidate in terms of electability but most dont think shed take it.
I'd rather see Richardson be Secretary of State than VP.
Agreed. If Richardson cannot have the presidency, he should at least have a position that is worth a damn where he can actually do something other than sit around and be a figure head like the VP.
I wonder if certain people on this board would be saying that Richardson's endorsement is "meaningless" if he had gone for Hillary? :rolleyes: I'm just sayin...
Anyway, this is great news for Barack Obama. Not sure how anyone could spin this into a negative at this point. It is much-needed good PR after a week of controversial "vetting" for the Illinois Senator.
Its not really great news, nor would it be great news for Clinton because as Jman said, its too late. New Mexico has come and gone, there are no states left with heavy Latino populations, and Richardson has basically no influence in the remaining states. He clearly has been supporting Obama since day 1 (he gave him his delegates in Iowa, after all). I think he just held out on the official endorsement until it did not matter out of respect to his former boss.
Showtime
03-22-2008, 10:42 AM
I endorse Richardson's beard.
Showtime
03-22-2008, 10:43 AM
Agreed. If Richardson cannot have the presidency, he should at least have a position that is worth a damn where he can actually do something other than sit around and be a figure head like the VP.
Tell that to Cheney.
jaguarr
03-22-2008, 11:23 AM
As the only real Richardson supporter, this changes nothing. Him being promised a cabinet position in exchange for a speech really doesn't effect my views all that much. :cwink:
What if Obama names Richardson as his VP running mate? What would you do, then, Matt?
jag
What if Obama names Richardson as his VP running mate? What would you do, then, Matt?
jag
Being as VP is essentially a figurehead position, I likely will not vote for Obama and still go third party. I dare say, the only candidates whose VP choice can sway my vote is McCain as I do not believe he will live through his first term.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee if McCain picks a truly dangerous neo-con like Rick Santorum to appease the party base. And I will vote McCain if he nominates a Republican whom I like (I'd trust Romney, for example, with the presidency more than Clinton or Obama) or if he picks an independent whom I like such as Michael Bloomberg (though I admit, this is very unlikely). I'd say McCain's VP is the only one in this election cycle who has a real chance of coming into play. McCain may only be 71, but I do not believe for a second that his year's of torture did not take at the very least 5 years off of his life. The way he walks and moves and looks is more like that of an 81 year old man.
Granted, the other two could be assassinated...but with modern Secret Service being what it is, I'd say it would be very very difficult to assassinate a president.
But I will be watching the VP debate very closely this election cycle as McCain's choice is actually very relevant and could easily become President.
I wonder if certain people on this board would be saying that Richardson's endorsement is "meaningless" if he had gone for Hillary? :rolleyes: I'm just sayin...
Anyway, this is great news for Barack Obama. Not sure how anyone could spin this into a negative at this point. It is much-needed good PR after a week of controversial "vetting" for the Illinois Senator.
I would have. Richardson's endorsement is not the huge deal that some would like for it to be. It's just another attempt to throw the spotlight off of the Wright situation. What kind of power do you really think Richardson has???
\S/JcDc\S/
03-22-2008, 12:27 PM
Hillary needs a big female endorsement imo. I mean, the majority of her voter's are women/feminist. Sadly some of them only voting for her because she is a woman and not the "experience" factor (as many can't name accomplishments outside of first lady)
What would be a good female endorsement she could get?
Showtime
03-22-2008, 12:31 PM
Chelsea Clinton endorses Hilary.
\S/JcDc\S/
03-22-2008, 12:33 PM
Chelsea Clinton endorses Hilary.
I don't remember Chelsea having any political office... Are we now counting "First Daughter" for experience? This is getting out of hand :(
:p
Hillary needs a big female endorsement imo. I mean, the majority of her voter's are women/feminist. Sadly some of them only voting for her because she is a woman and not the "experience" factor (as many can't name accomplishments outside of first lady)
What would be a good female endorsement she could get?
Hmm, its more about who she can get that will make a difference at this point. I suppose Beverly Perdue, the Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina could help her a bit. Winning North Carolina would be HUGE for Clinton and a huge blow to Obama. That being said, not being from NC, I'm not sure how much influence Lt. Governor Perdue carries or if it would make a difference.
On an unrealistic note, if Clinton could some how get Elizabeth Dole to endorse her that would be gianormous.
Showtime
03-22-2008, 12:37 PM
You really think an endorsement by Elizabeth Dole would really make that much of a difference at this point?
You really think an endorsement by Elizabeth Dole would really make that much of a difference at this point?
Well, Dole is a senator of North Carolina and fairly popular, if I'm not mistaken, so I'd say it would make a pretty big difference.
jaguarr
03-22-2008, 12:43 PM
Being as VP is essentially a figurehead position, I likely will not vote for Obama and still go third party. I dare say, the only candidates whose VP choice can sway my vote is McCain as I do not believe he will live through his first term.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee if McCain picks a truly dangerous neo-con like Rick Santorum to appease the party base. And I will vote McCain if he nominates a Republican whom I like (I'd trust Romney, for example, with the presidency more than Clinton or Obama) or if he picks an independent whom I like such as Michael Bloomberg (though I admit, this is very unlikely). I'd say McCain's VP is the only one in this election cycle who has a real chance of coming into play. McCain may only be 71, but I do not believe for a second that his year's of torture did not take at the very least 5 years off of his life. The way he walks and moves and looks is more like that of an 81 year old man.
Granted, the other two could be assassinated...but with modern Secret Service being what it is, I'd say it would be very very difficult to assassinate a president.
But I will be watching the VP debate very closely this election cycle as McCain's choice is actually very relevant and could easily become President.
Fair enough. I was just curious because I know you are a huge Richardson fan (as am I). Wondered how it might affect things for you if he were to take on the VP role (which I don't see as all that benign anymore, largely in part to Cheney).
jag
Fair enough. I was just curious because I know you are a huge Richardson fan (as am I). Wondered how it might affect things for you if he were to take on the VP role (which I don't see as all that benign anymore, largely in part to Cheney).
jag
Cheney is the exception that proves the rule. He is a big influence because Bush is entirely incompetent and had no business being president to begin with. Obama on the other hand, is if nothing else, very smart and very confident in himself. I doubt he would allow the VP office to shape his policies as Cheney has for Bush. Therefore, I would prefer Richardson be put in charge of the State Department where he can atleast have some freedom to operate and some level of control.
jaguarr
03-22-2008, 01:00 PM
Cheney is the exception that proves the rule. He is a big influence because Bush is entirely incompetent and had no business being president to begin with. Obama on the other hand, is if nothing else, very smart and very confident in himself. I doubt he would allow the VP office to shape his policies as Cheney has for Bush. Therefore, I would prefer Richardson be put in charge of the State Department where he can atleast have some freedom to operate and some level of control.
I'd actually like to see Richardson as Secretary Of State. His diplomacy skills are exceptional.
jag
The Senator
03-22-2008, 01:27 PM
Well, Dole is a senator of North Carolina and fairly popular, if I'm not mistaken, so I'd say it would make a pretty big difference.
She's actually fairly unpopular in NC. Earlier last year, they floated around the possibility of Gov. Mike Easley running for her seat, and he beat her by fifteen points in all opinion polling. But he chose not to run, and because NC lacks strong Democratic challengers, she's poised for another term :down:
The Senator
03-22-2008, 01:29 PM
Hillary needs a big female endorsement imo. I mean, the majority of her voter's are women/feminist. Sadly some of them only voting for her because she is a woman and not the "experience" factor (as many can't name accomplishments outside of first lady)
What would be a good female endorsement she could get?
Well, the diversity factor seems to work both ways.
Some people are voting for Hillary because she's a woman, and some people are voting for Barack because he's black.
It's quite sad.
\S/JcDc\S/
03-22-2008, 02:25 PM
Well, the diversity factor seems to work both ways.
Some people are voting for Hillary because she's a woman, and some people are voting for Barack because he's black.
It's quite sad.
I can agree with that.
See a Hillary and an Obama supporter can agree to terms ;)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/richardson-reportedly-withdraws-from-cabinet-appointment/?hp
January 4, 2009, 1:50 pm
Richardson Reportedly Withdraws From Cabinet Appointment
By The New York Times (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/author/the-new-york-times/)President-elect Barack Obama listening to New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson speak at the Dec. 3, 2008, news conference announcing Mr. Richardson’s nomination as commerce secretary. (Tannen Maury/European Pressphoto Agency)
NBC News and The Associated Press are reporting that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson has withdrawn his name as the commerce secretary nominee because of an investigation and that President-elect Barack Obama has accepted.
“Let me say unequivocally that I and my Administration have acted properly in all matters and that this investigation will bear out that fact,” according to a statement (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28493919/) read by NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell. “But I have concluded that the ongoing investigation also would have forced an untenable delay in the confirmation process.”
According to The Associated Press, a federal grand jury is investigating how a California company that contributed to Mr. Richardson’s political activities won a lucrative New Mexico state contract:
A person familiar with the proceedings has told The Associated Press that the grand jury is looking into possible “pay-to-play” dealings between CDR Financial Products and someone in a position to push the contract through with the state of New Mexico.
The A.P. also reports that Obama’s transition office said Sunday that the president-elect had accepted Mr. Richardson’s withdrawal.
ooops .... sorry I forgot about the cabinet thread.....
A mod can merge when you get a chance.....
souvlaki
01-04-2009, 05:25 PM
I'm disappointed because I like Richardson. I doubt he'll be found guilty of any wrongdoing, but it's probably for the best that he stepped down before becoming an unneeded distraction for the Obama administration.
Holiday
01-04-2009, 05:30 PM
Oh my... this Obama transition isn't going so smooth after all.
souvlaki
01-04-2009, 05:33 PM
Oh my... this Obama transition isn't going so smooth after all.
Maybe I'm imagining this, but hasn't this been one of the smoother transitions in recent Presidential history? If I remember correctly Clinton and Bush both had problems with several of their appointments.
Holiday
01-04-2009, 05:42 PM
Maybe I'm imagining this, but hasn't this been one of the smoother transitions in recent Presidential history? If I remember correctly Clinton and Bush both had problems with several of their appointments.
I'm not sure how smooth this transition is compared to those you've mentioned, but it is definitely not going as smooth as most though it would be with the Blago deal and now this.
souvlaki
01-04-2009, 05:54 PM
I'm not sure how smooth this transition is compared to those you've mentioned, but it is definitely not going as smooth as most though it would be with the Blago deal and now this.
Clinton was a scandal magnet when he was in the transition phase, and Bush had the whole Florida recount scandal during the transition phase. The Blagojevich scandal doesn't even really have anything to do with Obama, and it was pretty obvious to anyone other than those on the far right that neither he, nor Emmanuel did anything wrong. Given the circumstances though, I'd say the transition is going about as smoothly as can be expected. I mean, the Clinton transition was a complete disaster, yet he arguably turned out to be a pretty good President so if Blagojevich and Richardson (and I doubt anything will even come of the latter "controversy") are the only problems Obama experiences during the transition phase I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job.
Maybe I'm imagining this, but hasn't this been one of the smoother transitions in recent Presidential history? If I remember correctly Clinton and Bush both had problems with several of their appointments.
We don't know who they are going to have problems with since none have gone up for confirmation yet......as far as people resigning before they are confirmed.....who from Clinton or Bush did that happen to?
Holiday
01-04-2009, 07:28 PM
Clinton was a scandal magnet when he was in the transition phase, and Bush had the whole Florida recount scandal during the transition phase. The Blagojevich scandal doesn't even really have anything to do with Obama, and it was pretty obvious to anyone other than those on the far right that neither he, nor Emmanuel did anything wrong. Given the circumstances though, I'd say the transition is going about as smoothly as can be expected. I mean, the Clinton transition was a complete disaster, yet he arguably turned out to be a pretty good President so if Blagojevich and Richardson (and I doubt anything will even come of the latter "controversy") are the only problems Obama experiences during the transition phase I'd say he's doing a pretty decent job.
I'm not trying to knock Obama, or say he's a bad job. I think he's doing a good job actually. All I'm saying is, because of the Blago scandal and now this bit of news, things are not going as smooth as expected for Barack, whether these stories are in his control or not.
We don't know who they are going to have problems with since none have gone up for confirmation yet......as far as people resigning before they are confirmed.....who from Clinton or Bush did that happen to?
Well, it didn't happen during his transition, but Harriet Miers resigned prior to her hearing.
Oh yeah....I remember.....man she was crucified....
Yeah she was. Conservatives didn't want her because she was too liberal, liberals didn't want her because she was a Bush appointee...it was brutal. In retrospect, though...Democrats should've got behind that one. Better her than Alito.
Franklin Richards
01-04-2009, 08:36 PM
Edwards. Down. Richardson. Down.
Who would have thought Hillary would be the "safe" bet and still be alive right now politically?
:thing: :doom: :thing:
ooops .... sorry I forgot about the cabinet thread.....
A mod can merge when you get a chance.....
I was just about to say that I was surprised this needed its own thread. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif
Meh, this is breaking news. It can have a thread devoted to it.
The Senator
01-04-2009, 09:49 PM
Edwards. Down. Richardson. Down.
Who would have thought Hillary would be the "safe" bet and still be alive right now politically?
:thing: :doom: :thing:
Hillary Clinton could murder a child on live television and she'd still have several million extremists behind her. Bill Richardson is known to very few outside of the political world, so naturally he will experience more of a political backlash.
rdh007
01-04-2009, 10:22 PM
This sucks.
Hillary Clinton could murder a child on live television and she'd still have several million extremists behind her. Bill Richardson is known to very few outside of the political world, so naturally he will experience more of a political backlash.
Obama was to many outside of the political world knew little of him until his speech at the DNC in 2004.....
I brought his name up in a conversation with some friends of mine in June of 2004....and they had no clue who I was talking about, and ended up working his campaign here in Houston...
IMO, Richardson's departure is because the public for the most part is ignorant...(and I don't mean that negatively, but they don't necessarily watch several media outlets to make up their opinion....) and the words "pay for play" has and will come out with this investigation, and that links it in verbage to the Illinois fiasco. I spoke with a few people over the holidays who voted for Obama, and they aren't saying they they shouldn't have voted for Obama, but they are now realizing that Obama came up through a very corrupt governmental machine....and though it does not look like legally he is a part of that "pay for play" it is going to haunt him politically.....and now with one of his cabinet under suspicion of "pay for play" this would have been ALL OVER HIS CONFIRMATION, and an ignorant population would grab on to that verbage and it would be another thorn in the side of Obama....
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