The Al Gore Thread: 'Former Vice-Presidential' Edition

[MaskedManJRK]

He always should've run. I think it is getting to the point where it is too late to get on ballots now.

If Thompson's in the running despite being months late, then Al would probably still have a shot.

[rdh007]

The best part about Gore is, I'm 95 % sure this time around Bill Richardson would be his running mate. Why can't he run? With this crop of candidates he would be a shoe-in. Hilary must have some pretty good dirt on him to keep him out of the election.
Gore/Richardson?
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Hit-It-Clinton.jpg

[Darthphere]

You know when they were voting on this **** they were thinking "Lets vote for the guy that will get Fox News the angriest!"

[Memphis Slim]

Hey...isn't this the same prize awarded to this guy? :dry:

http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/2/250px-yasser-arafat-1999.jpg

A terrorist.......


The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. It's turned into a booster for any nut job that champions liberal causes.

Congrats Al!

[jaguarr]

Hey...isn't this the same prize awarded to this guy? :dry:

http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/2/250px-yasser-arafat-1999.jpg

A terrorist.......


The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. It's turned into a booster for any nut job that champions liberal causes.

Congrats Al!

:bitteroldman:

All that's left is for the Colts to choke in the playoffs and your life will be complete, dude. :D

jag

[Showtime]

Al Gore?

[moraldeficiency]

Who should have won:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma#20.2C000_monks_protest

Anti-government protests started in Burma on August 15, 2007, and have been ongoing. Thousands of Buddhist monks started leading protests on September 18, and were joined by Buddhist nuns on September 23. On September 24, 20,000 monks and nuns led 30,000 people in a protest march from the golden Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon, past the offices of the opposition National League for Democracy (NLD) party. Comedian Zaganar and star Kyaw Thu brought food and water to the monks. On September 22, monks marched to greet Aung San Suu Kyi, a peace activist who has been under house arrest since 1990.[98][99]

On September 25, 2,000 people defied threats from Burma's junta and marched to Shwedagon Pagoda amid army trucks and warning of Brigadier-General Thura Myint Maung not to violate Buddhist "rules and regulations."[100] The following morning, various prominent protesters were arrested and troops barricaded Shwedagon Pagoda and attacked the 700 people within. Despite this, 5,000 monks continued to protest in Yangon. At least four deaths were reported after security forces fired on the crowds in Yangon.[101] On September 27, security forces began raiding monasteries and arresting monks throughout the country. The security forces also fired on the nearly 50,000 people protesting in Yangon, killing nine people including Japanese photojournalist Kenji Nagai.[102][103][104]

Internet access within the nation has been suspended, reportedly in an attempt to dampen international awareness of the situation.[105] It has also been reported that troops have been specifically targeting people with cameras.[106] The junta's violent response to peaceful protests has prompted international condemnation and calls for an immediate halt to the violence. In particular, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo ***uda has demanded an explanation for the killing of Nagai. Ibrahim Gambari, the United Nations special envoy to Burma, has arrived in Naypyidaw and has met with junta leaders and Aung San Suu Kyi.[107] Despite increasingly strong calls for peace, the junta continued to attack monks and raid monasteries through October 1.[108]

As of October 2, 2007, thousands of monks are unaccounted for and their whereabouts unknown. Many monasteries are being patrolled by government troops.[109] There are eyewitness accounts of injured protesters being burned alive by the military regime in a crematorium on the outskirts of Rangoon.[110]

The monks would have had a better chance if they just made a movie.

[Darthphere]

Hey...isn't this the same prize awarded to this guy? :dry:

http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/2/250px-yasser-arafat-1999.jpg

A terrorist.......


The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. It's turned into a booster for any nut job that champions liberal causes.

Congrats Al!

And Barry White was some black guy who stole tires.

[sinewave]

Hey...isn't this the same prize awarded to this guy? :dry:

http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/2/250px-yasser-arafat-1999.jpg

A terrorist.......


The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. It's turned into a booster for any nut job that champions liberal causes.

Congrats Al!

predictable.

i'm sure your reptilian overlords at fox news will be pitching a fit over this a for the next few days. i imagine some conservative jackass will fabricate yet another smear story about him any second now...

[rdh007]

Al Gore?
He ran for president, lost, became vice-president for eight years, ran for president, got robbed, grew a beard, got fat, lost weight, made a movie, and won a Nobel Prize.

[sinewave]

Who should have won:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma#20.2C000_monks_protest

Anti-government protests started in Burma on August 15, 2007, and have been ongoing. Thousands of Buddhist monks started leading protests on September 18, and were joined by Buddhist nuns on September 23. On September 24, 20,000 monks and nuns led 30,000 people in a protest march from the golden Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon, past the offices of the opposition National League for Democracy (NLD) party. Comedian Zaganar and star Kyaw Thu brought food and water to the monks. On September 22, monks marched to greet Aung San Suu Kyi, a peace activist who has been under house arrest since 1990.[98][99]

On September 25, 2,000 people defied threats from Burma's junta and marched to Shwedagon Pagoda amid army trucks and warning of Brigadier-General Thura Myint Maung not to violate Buddhist "rules and regulations."[100] The following morning, various prominent protesters were arrested and troops barricaded Shwedagon Pagoda and attacked the 700 people within. Despite this, 5,000 monks continued to protest in Yangon. At least four deaths were reported after security forces fired on the crowds in Yangon.[101] On September 27, security forces began raiding monasteries and arresting monks throughout the country. The security forces also fired on the nearly 50,000 people protesting in Yangon, killing nine people including Japanese photojournalist Kenji Nagai.[102][103][104]

Internet access within the nation has been suspended, reportedly in an attempt to dampen international awareness of the situation.[105] It has also been reported that troops have been specifically targeting people with cameras.[106] The junta's violent response to peaceful protests has prompted international condemnation and calls for an immediate halt to the violence. In particular, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo ***uda has demanded an explanation for the killing of Nagai. Ibrahim Gambari, the United Nations special envoy to Burma, has arrived in Naypyidaw and has met with junta leaders and Aung San Suu Kyi.[107] Despite increasingly strong calls for peace, the junta continued to attack monks and raid monasteries through October 1.[108]

As of October 2, 2007, thousands of monks are unaccounted for and their whereabouts unknown. Many monasteries are being patrolled by government troops.[109] There are eyewitness accounts of injured protesters being burned alive by the military regime in a crematorium on the outskirts of Rangoon.[110]

The monks would have had a better chance if they just made a movie.

can a group of people like this win the award?

was their protest done in time for the voting?

why just this group of people and not everyone standing up against government oppression worldwide?

[moraldeficiency]

He ran for president, lost, became vice-president for eight years, ran for president, got robbed, grew a beard, got fat, lost weight, made a movie, and won a Nobel Prize.

I miss the beard.

[sinewave]

He ran for president, lost, became vice-president for eight years, ran for president, got robbed, grew a beard, got fat, lost weight, made a movie, and won a Nobel Prize.

that's quite a bit of character growth. i'll wait for the trade paperback.

[Showtime]

He ran for president, lost, became vice-president for eight years, ran for president, got robbed, grew a beard, got fat, lost weight, made a movie, and won a Nobel Prize.

That is like a day for me.

[Memphis Slim]

predictable.

i'm sure your reptilian overlords at fox news will be pitching a fit over this a for the next few days. i imagine some conservative jackass will fabricate yet another smear story about him any second now...
http://freaktochic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sleestack.gif:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

can a group of people like this win the award?

was their protest done in time for the voting?

why just this group of people and not everyone standing up against government oppression worldwide?

Al Gore and a group of people just won the award so yes they can.

Yes it was.

Because this group is being tortured. If you protest in the US best you get is an overnighter in the drunk tank, right now thousands of these pacifist monks are missing (this took less than 20 days) because of a protest that was completely peaceful. I don't know of any other group that's had this much trouble that hasn't either resorted to violence of their own or recieved support from others. These guys are alone out there, they're being slaughtered and they just stand there saying peace will win out in the end. If that's not something that deserves the peace prize I don't know if anyone's worthy.

[Memphis Slim]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

[sinewave]

Al Gore and a group of people just won the award so yes they can.

Yes it was.

Because this group is being tortured. If you protest in the US best you get is an overnighter in the drunk tank, right now thousands of these pacifist monks are missing (this took less than 20 days) because of a protest that was completely peaceful. I don't know of any other group that's had this much trouble that hasn't either resorted to violence of their own or recieved support from others. These guys are alone out there, they're being slaughtered and they just stand there saying peace will win out in the end. If that's not something that deserves the peace prize I don't know if anyone's worthy.

i'm not disagreeing with you that these guys are worthy of this award, just that there are others experiencing the same thing and it's tough to single out one group as more worthy than another. i care more about getting aid and assistance to the people of myanmar (monks included) than recognizing them for some kind of award.

[Memphis Slim]

Al Gore and a group of people just won the award so yes they can.

Yes it was.

Because this group is being tortured. If you protest in the US best you get is an overnighter in the drunk tank, right now thousands of these pacifist monks are missing (this took less than 20 days) because of a protest that was completely peaceful. I don't know of any other group that's had this much trouble that hasn't either resorted to violence of their own or recieved support from others. These guys are alone out there, they're being slaughtered and they just stand there saying peace will win out in the end. If that's not something that deserves the peace prize I don't know if anyone's worthy.


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[sinewave]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

uh-huh. that's right, he made it all up. nothing to see here, folks. just move along.

[moraldeficiency]

i'm not disagreeing with you that these guys are worthy of this award, just that there are others experiencing the same thing and it's tough to single out one group as more worthy than another. i care more about getting aid and assistance to the people of myanmar (monks included) than recognizing them for some kind of award.

I'm not actually upset they didn't win an award, it's a bit deeper than that. This award puts a spotlight on the person and issue represented. If they beat out Gore the world (especially the US and that means $$$) would have been almost force fed what's going on over there. Global attention would be a good thing for them and possibly save many lives. Remember this has been a sudden thing and has been brutal and swift. In another three months if they continue at the same rate there will be no monks left there. By giving the award to Gore the institute has decided to spotlight global warming as the issue the world should be focused on. (I know that's not the point, but that is effectively what the award does more than anything else) Al Gore has a movie about this very subject, people don't need this to be spotlighted as it's a known issue (important don't get me wrong). Plus like I said I can't think of any other completely passive group being slaughtered at present other than them.

[moraldeficiency]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

So it'll turn out he was on steriods when he made the movie?

[Darthphere]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

But Al Gore isn't black.:huh:

[musclesforsupes]

Al Gore reminds me of Ursa:csad:

[jaguarr]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

He'll be a black, female Olympic Gold Medalist in Track & Field who used steroids? :huh:

jag

[rdh007]

that's quite a bit of character growth. i'll wait for the trade paperback.
Dude, are you coming at my mad narrative skills? [three years ago]I'm Henry James, b!t(h![/three years ago]

[sinewave]

I'm not actually upset they didn't win an award, it's a bit deeper than that. This award puts a spotlight on the person and issue represented. If they beat out Gore the world (especially the US and that means $$$) would have been almost force fed what's going on over there. Global attention would be a good thing for them and possibly save many lives. Remember this has been a sudden thing and has been brutal and swift. In another three months if they continue at the same rate there will be no monks left there. By giving the award to Gore the institute has decided to spotlight global warming as the issue the world should be focused on. (I know that's not the point, but that is effectively what the award does more than anything else) Al Gore has a movie about this very subject, people don't need this to be spotlighted as it's a known issue (important don't get me wrong). Plus like I said I can't think of any other completely passive group being slaughtered at present other than them.

i agree about bringing more attention to the struggle in myanmar, but they have been getting a lot of attention lately, and rightly so. this isn't a "sudden thing", though. this struggle has been going on for years. they killed hundreds of monks for a similar peaceful protest back in '88. it's just getting more attention now because we've got more access to media than we did back in '88. but how do we differentiate this instance between that of the buddhist monks in tibet or the people of zimbabwe. the struggle for peace is going on all over the globe, so it's hard for me to pick and chose to recognize one group of people just because they're getting more publicity than another. not that i'm saying he deserves the award over anyone else, but in gore's defense, he has raised awareness of a potential global threat (that has a strong link to the unrest in the middle east, which affects most of the world) with his work. that still has to count for something.

[Showtime]

Al Gore will be like Marion Jones in 10 years when we look up and see that everything made it without a hitch! They'll ask for his medal to be returned because of this hoax he's duped everyone with.

How Bob Sanders didn't win this award is a mystery to me. What he has done for the Underprivledged Uranium Workers of America or UUWA has been above and beyond.

[BlackLantern]

I find it funny how neither Fox or CNN had much to say about Gore this morning, but MSNBC was all over it.......I figured CNN would be right on gore's jock

[rdh007]

I miss the beard.
Who was the last president with facial hair, let alone a beard...?
Roosevelt's moustache is the last one I can think of off the top of my head, and Grant's beard comes to mind, though I'm sure there's someone else on both counts.

That is like a day for me.
I'm not sure if you're lucky or not???

[Showtime]

He'll be a black, female Olympic Gold Medalist in Track & Field who used steroids? :huh:

jag

http://www.laborstandard.org/Vol1No5/images/Al_Gore_Running.JPG

[sinewave]

Dude, are you coming at my mad narrative skills? [three years ago]I'm Henry James, b!t(h![/three years ago]

nope, i'm just pointing out that that's one hell of a character arc and it would be more easily digestable in trade format. :oldrazz:

[rdh007]

How Bob Sanders didn't win this award is a mystery to me. What he has done for the Underprivledged Uranium Workers of America or UUWA has been above and beyond.
WWBSD?

[rdh007]

nope, i'm just pointing out that that's one hell of a character arc and it would be more easily digestable in trade format. :oldrazz:
Look for it at Waldenbooks only.

Are they still open?

[Showtime]

WWBSD?

Exactly.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/383163456_485397e5f8.jpg?v=0

[sinewave]

Look for it at Waldenbooks only.

Are they still open?

not sure, but i already know it ends with gore getting knocked up by norman osborn, so i'll save the the $$$ and download a copy instead.

[jaguarr]

http://www.laborstandard.org/Vol1No5/images/Al_Gore_Running.JPG

:eek:

The change is happening already! Damn you celldog!!!! :cmad:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

not sure, but i already know it ends with gore getting knocked up by norman osborn, so i'll save the the $$$ and download a copy instead.

Norm's such a player.

[moraldeficiency]

Who was the last president with facial hair, let alone a beard...?
Roosevelt's moustache is the last one I can think of off the top of my head, and Grant's beard comes to mind, though I'm sure there's someone else on both counts.

No one's coming to my mind either and that just tells me we're due.

[BlackLantern]

I'm wondering why some of the right is so concerned with Gore winning the Nobel ??? Is the truth really that frightening to some people ???

[moraldeficiency]

I'm wondering why some of the right is so concerned with Gore winning the Nobel ??? Is the truth really that frightening to some people ???

I think people just like to @itch and throw any insult they can at the "other" side. I don't agree with Gore winning myself, but not because he didn't bring an important issue to the table, but there's a million people more deserving of the peace prize.

[BlackLantern]

I think people just like to @itch and throw any insult they can at the "other" side. I don't agree with Gore winning myself, but not because he didn't bring an important issue to the table, but there's a million people more deserving of the peace prize.

I'm not well-versed on the Nobel process, but who would be some others???

[moraldeficiency]

Who should have won:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma#20.2C000_monks_protest

Anti-government protests started in Burma on August 15, 2007, and have been ongoing. Thousands of Buddhist monks started leading protests on September 18, and were joined by Buddhist nuns on September 23. On September 24, 20,000 monks and nuns led 30,000 people in a protest march from the golden Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon, past the offices of the opposition National League for Democracy (NLD) party. Comedian Zaganar and star Kyaw Thu brought food and water to the monks. On September 22, monks marched to greet Aung San Suu Kyi, a peace activist who has been under house arrest since 1990.[98][99]

On September 25, 2,000 people defied threats from Burma's junta and marched to Shwedagon Pagoda amid army trucks and warning of Brigadier-General Thura Myint Maung not to violate Buddhist "rules and regulations."[100] The following morning, various prominent protesters were arrested and troops barricaded Shwedagon Pagoda and attacked the 700 people within. Despite this, 5,000 monks continued to protest in Yangon. At least four deaths were reported after security forces fired on the crowds in Yangon.[101] On September 27, security forces began raiding monasteries and arresting monks throughout the country. The security forces also fired on the nearly 50,000 people protesting in Yangon, killing nine people including Japanese photojournalist Kenji Nagai.[102][103][104]

Internet access within the nation has been suspended, reportedly in an attempt to dampen international awareness of the situation.[105] It has also been reported that troops have been specifically targeting people with cameras.[106] The junta's violent response to peaceful protests has prompted international condemnation and calls for an immediate halt to the violence. In particular, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo ***uda has demanded an explanation for the killing of Nagai. Ibrahim Gambari, the United Nations special envoy to Burma, has arrived in Naypyidaw and has met with junta leaders and Aung San Suu Kyi.[107] Despite increasingly strong calls for peace, the junta continued to attack monks and raid monasteries through October 1.[108]

As of October 2, 2007, thousands of monks are unaccounted for and their whereabouts unknown. Many monasteries are being patrolled by government troops.[109] There are eyewitness accounts of injured protesters being burned alive by the military regime in a crematorium on the outskirts of Rangoon.[110]



These guys come to mind.

[BlackLantern]

Fair enough....I think the Nobel is more about impact on society and humanity as a whole...Gore is addressing a global problem....not to be callous, but whats happening in Myanmar(Burma) doesn't fall in the realm of what the Nobel is awarded for.

"The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way:

The capital shall be invested by my executors in safe securities and shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

The prizes for physics and chemistry shall be awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences; that for physiological or medical works by the Caroline Institute in Stockholm; that for literature by the Academy in Stockholm; and that for champions of peace by a committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Storting. It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, so that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be Scandinavian or not."


– Alfred Nobel

[moraldeficiency]

i agree about bringing more attention to the struggle in myanmar, but they have been getting a lot of attention lately, and rightly so. this isn't a "sudden thing", though. this struggle has been going on for years. they killed hundreds of monks for a similar peaceful protest back in '88. it's just getting more attention now because we've got more access to media than we did back in '88. but how do we differentiate this instance between that of the buddhist monks in tibet or the people of zimbabwe. the struggle for peace is going on all over the globe, so it's hard for me to pick and chose to recognize one group of people just because they're getting more publicity than another. not that i'm saying he deserves the award over anyone else, but in gore's defense, he has raised awareness of a potential global threat (that has a strong link to the unrest in the middle east, which affects most of the world) with his work. that still has to count for something.

Yes it has been going on for years, but it's gotten very much worse recently and the retaliation over the protest is appaling.

Zimbabwe has significant problems but unlike the monks here they've also fleed and fought back, I could be wrong but I don't think they've had any peace protests there.

Tibet has been given recognization in the past. And they're not (this year) having the troubles they've faced on the level in the past.

These monks in burma are just standing there letting the gov. do whatever in a very ghandiesque fashion of peaceful resistance (though if memory serves ghandi never won the peace prize either).

Yes, Gore has raised an important issue, but I'm not sure the protecting environment is the same as promoting peace. Also Gore profitted from his contribution and has gained popularity from the issue (hell a possible 4th quarter comeback presidential run) and he wasn't exactely using all facts in the movie to better "dramatize" his point, the monks have only been tortured, killed, and been sought out because of their stance. In my mind this makes them immensely more deserving than Gore.

I single them out because I believe for this year (An Inconvient Truth came out in 2006) they've done more and suffered more (without taking up arms) than any other group.

[moraldeficiency]

and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.



– Alfred Nobel

I guess the "fraternity among nations" is where Gore comes in because his movie had nothing to do with any of the other points, and the "fraternity among nations" thing isn't that solid either.

[DarthRekal]

Al Gore for Pres :up: :woot:

[Mr Sparkle]

I think people just like to @itch and throw any insult they can at the "other" side. I don't agree with Gore winning myself, but not because he didn't bring an important issue to the table, but there's a million people more deserving of the peace prize.

but, really, the peace price has always been kind of like the Oscars hasn't it?
there's always people more deserving.
but it's all politics.
it is afterall a PR game.
hence, they have to elect someone more or less prominent in order to perpetuate their own existence.

Celldog is really bitter though.

[BlackLantern]

I guess the "fraternity among nations" is where Gore comes in because his movie had nothing to do with any of the other points, and the "fraternity among nations" thing isn't that solid either.

Myanmar is an internal problem within the country.....I'm not disagreeing with your point, just so you know......

[moraldeficiency]

but, really, the peace price has always been kind of like the Oscars hasn't it?
there's always people more deserving.
but it's all politics.
it is afterall a PR game.
hence, they have to elect someone more or less prominent in order to perpetuate their own existence.

Celldog is really bitter though.

I completely agree, I'm not suprised by the decision in the least, just disappointed and wanted to vent my frustration while maybe letting a few others know a bit more about the whole thing.

[BlackLantern]

MD....if there isnt something there that the US can benefit from, its not a priority....and people are always screaming at us to mind our business anyway.....so why should Americans care?? (devils advocate)

[moraldeficiency]

Myanmar is an internal problem within the country.....I'm not disagreeing with your point, just so you know......

Dr. King won for internal problems as did holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel. There are others I'm sure but you're right it's not really promoting international peace except perhaps in the "lead others by your example" method and doing that by sacrificing yourself can be a very profound and powerful statement especially in this current climate of strife and retaliation. It's a lesson we'd all do well to revisit.

[Matt]

If Thompson's in the running despite being months late, then Al would probably still have a shot.

Maybe, just even though Thompson didn't officially announce his candidacy until September, he was fundraising and campaigning as early as April 2007.

There are deadlines for how long you have to get onto a ballot as well. If Gore is to run, he would literally have to declare his candidacy during his press conference today, and sources say that ain't happening.

[moraldeficiency]

MD....if there isnt something there that the US can benefit from, its not a priority....and people are always screaming at us to mind our business anyway.....so why should Americans care?? (devils advocate)

You're right, that's why I was sure Gore would win. I'm just expressing my frustration at the whole state of affairs.

[Matt]

You're right, that's why I was sure Gore would win. I'm just expressing my frustration at the whole state of affairs.

Global Warming can be seen as an issue of peace. If the ice caps melted and costs flooded, you would see economic uproar, border changes, etc which would in turn lead to massive war, that sweeps the entire planet the likes of which no one has seen. Granted, its a stretch, and there probably are better choices, but Gore isn't that bad of a choice. Plus keep in mind, he is sharing it.

[KingOfDreams]

Cool. Good for Al.

[BlackLantern]

Global Warming can be seen as an issue of peace. If the ice caps melted and costs flooded, you would see economic uproar, border changes, etc which would in turn lead to massive war, that sweeps the entire planet the likes of which no one has seen. Granted, its a stretch, and there probably are better choices, but Gore isn't that bad of a choice. Plus keep in mind, he is sharing it.

Al Gore kids you not......

[moraldeficiency]

Global Warming can be seen as an issue of peace. If the ice caps melted and costs flooded, you would see economic uproar, border changes, etc which would in turn lead to massive war, that sweeps the entire planet the likes of which no one has seen. Granted, its a stretch, and there probably are better choices, but Gore isn't that bad of a choice. Plus keep in mind, he is sharing it.

I always said it was an important issue, and it could possibly lead to greater peace in the future but if you start going down the road of people whose actions might lead to peace in some future time you're kinda leaving out the people that are dying for peace right now. Gore's not a bad canidate, but considering other choices and the fact that his movie did streach the truth and made him a financial profit he's just not that shiny of a canidate.

[StorminNorman]

I miss Al Gore before the 2000 Presidential Election turned him to a bitter, pathetic old man that desperately tries to hide his pain by putting on a fake cheery demeanor.

Honestly I would congratulate Al Gore for spear heading a now massive movement that may actually stop what may be a massive global threat. But its hard to when he personally does not live up to his own preachings.

I condemn preachers that molest children.
I condemn athletes (and coaches) that cheat.
I would be hypocritical if I didn't condemn environmentalist that not only do not alter their lifestyle for the betterment of the world - but are far more guilty at polluting than most.

[Darthphere]

Oh god, here we go.

[BlackLantern]

well he won the thing so he is now Oscar Winner and Nobel Peace Prize Winner Al Gore

[hippie_hunter]

Just think how America would be if Al Gore did become President (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYuqoKxRhMg)

[sinewave]

Global Warming can be seen as an issue of peace. If the ice caps melted and costs flooded, you would see economic uproar, border changes, etc which would in turn lead to massive war, that sweeps the entire planet the likes of which no one has seen. Granted, its a stretch, and there probably are better choices, but Gore isn't that bad of a choice. Plus keep in mind, he is sharing it.

think about the effect reducing the world's dependence on oil would have on the peace movement. the middle-east would finally get us pesky westerners from taking what they contend god gave them, which would be huge.

I miss Al Gore before the 2000 Presidential Election turned him to a bitter, pathetic old man that desperately tries to hide his pain by putting on a fake cheery demeanor.

Honestly I would congratulate Al Gore for spear heading a now massive movement that may actually stop what may be a massive global threat. But its hard to when he personally does not live up to his own preachings.

I condemn preachers that molest children.
I condemn athletes (and coaches) that cheat.
I would be hypocritical if I didn't condemn environmentalist that not only do not alter their lifestyle for the betterment of the world - but are far more guilty at polluting than most.

he's not exactly as hypocritical as you make him out to be. check out his carbon off-setting standards.

[moraldeficiency]

he's not exactly as hypocritical as you make him out to be. check out his carbon off-setting standards.

Agreed, the carbon buy out thing is cheap but I don't think he's wasteful I think he does try just not as hard as he wants others to try. He's not a monster and he is trying to help.

[StorminNorman]

he's not exactly as hypocritical as you make him out to be. check out his carbon off-setting standards.

If Gore has actually taken steps to dramatically decrease his own personal pollution - then the man has my respect.

I, however, have so far only seen the various reports documenting Gore's higher than average output.

While this in no way alters my view on Gore's ultimate message - a noble purpose certainly, I find it hard to truly raise this guy as the hero many make him out to be.

Now if I am wrong, great. Fantastic.

I admit I haven't spent huge amounts of time researching the topic of Al Gore's living habits.

[BlackLantern]

You could stalk him and see if he has reduced his output....or what is the new buzzword "carbon footprint"......sounds gay

[Kritish]

The moment I saw this thread I knew that Celldog would make himself look like a jack ass. I must be psychic. :whatever:

[DV8]

Al Gore as president; won a Nobel Peace; George Bush as president; started a war :(

[strikezone89]

what bush didnt win the peace prize? lol
gore should run for president

[BlackLantern]

if Gore ran, he would lose all the influence he now has......

[Matt]

if Gore ran, he would lose all the influence he now has......

Only if he loses. Right now he has no influence. He is about as influential as Michael Moore. Has a few extremists see his movie and preach it like gospel while most people see it and are maybe shocked/concerned about it but in the end just don't care.

Now if he were president, with a democratic congress he could make some real progress.

[BlackLantern]

Only if he loses. Right now he has no influence. He is about as influential as Michael Moore. Has a few extremists see his movie and preach it like gospel while most people see it and are maybe shocked/concerned about it but in the end just don't care.

Now if he were president, with a democratic congress he could make some real progress.

because this congress has proven how effective they are......

[Matt]

because this congress has proven how effective they are......

Well, for better or for worse they were plent of effective with a Republican Congress and President. With a Democratic President and Congress they will be equally effective. Whether that is good or not depends on your personal philosophy.

[Zoken]

Frankly, considering he was up against Rush Limbaugh, I'm not really that shocked he won.

Can't we find more deserving people to consider for this award? I mean, honestly. We had to pick between a narcissistic crotchety bastard who belittles everyone he meets, and a narcissistic arrogant prick who prosthlytizes to everyone he meets (No prize to anyone who figures out which is which)

[CaptainStacy]

Al Gore was sopposed to win when he was running in 2000.
He would have been a great presedent.

I know man...this country would be in a much better place right now had Gore become president. I have no doubt about it.

[BlackLantern]

why would Rush limbaugh be up for a Nobel? I know the nominees are selected over time and its quite a list that gets narrowed down over time.....

[strikezone89]

I know man...this country would be in a much better place right now had Gore become president. I have no doubt about it.

u really can't say that.
bush could have been a good president but the whole 9-11 thing is very contraversal.

gore may not have been that great.
it all depends on how he would have treated 9-11

[BlackLantern]

u really can't say that.
bush could have been a good president but the whole 9-11 thing is very contraversal.

gore may not have been that great.
it all depends on how he would have treated 9-11

gore would have handled it internallly, but he wouldnt have pursued who was behind it.....so we probably wouldnt be involved in Iraq or afghanistan, but we probably would be viewed as weak by the rest of the world.....maybe even gotten attacked again

[strikezone89]

gore would have handled it internallly, but he wouldnt have pursued who was behind it.....so we probably wouldnt be involved in Iraq or afghanistan, but we probably would be viewed as weak by the rest of the world.....maybe even gotten attacked again

agreed

[Zoken]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/139997/rush_limbaugh_and_al_gore_nominated.html

[BlackLantern]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/139997/rush_limbaugh_and_al_gore_nominated.html


I'm pretty sure they were only two of many nominees. right after the film came out people started talking about Gore being in the running for the Nobel...

[Zoken]

The fact that either of them was considered is driving me up the wall. Gore is nothing more than a mouth-piece for people running around screaming that the sky is falling when they don't even have all the evidence.

Rush is a small-minded self-important dick who thinks he's more loved than he actually is. The hypocrite actually tried to sound nobel when he got caught with his precription drug addiction.

[BlackLantern]

the veracity of Gore's film aside...he is trying to address a growing problem that everyone should pay more attention to....and the Nobel organization, i'm sure, are smart individuals

[Zoken]

I was refering to Global Warming, not his movie, when I was talking about "People running around screaming that the sky is falling when they don't even have all the evidence". It needs to be confirmed before it get's publicized. Even they admit that they aren't completely sure that it's true. (I dont' care if it's 90% or 9%, it's still a decent chance it is not true)

[BlackLantern]

I was refering to Global Warming, not his movie, when I was talking about "People running around screaming that the sky is falling when they don't even have all the evidence". It needs to be confirmed before it get's publicized. Even they admit that they aren't completely sure that it's true. (I dont' care if it's 90% or 9%, it's still a decent chance it is not true)

I'm not sure myself, but at least he is trying to affect positive change. I'm sure we, as a species, could figure a way to be a little less impactful on the environment....but some Americans dont want to be told they cant drive their SUV's....

[Carcharodon]

I was refering to Global Warming, not his movie, when I was talking about "People running around screaming that the sky is falling when they don't even have all the evidence". It needs to be confirmed before it get's publicized. Even they admit that they aren't completely sure that it's true. (I dont' care if it's 90% or 9%, it's still a decent chance it is not true)Regardless of the causes of global warming, it would definitely be worthwhile to curb Carbon dioxide emissions (and emissions of Hydrogen sulfide and other industrial chemical outputs), as they do have a proven negative effect on the environment (if not the climate).

[Zoken]

I'm not sure myself, but at least he is trying to affect positive change. I'm sure we, as a species, could figure a way to be a little less impactful on the environment....but some Americans dont want to be told they cant drive their SUV's....

Regardless of the causes of global warming, it would definitely be worthwhile to curb Carbon dioxide emissions (and emissions of Hydrogen sulfide and other industrial chemical outputs), as they do have a proven negative effect on the environment (if not the climate).
Yeah, but people don't like the idea of Nuclear energy. It scares them, despite having a perfect track record in the U.S.

He's TRYING to affect postifive change, he has yet to. He's done some lectures that he got paid for. Has he spent time in jail for his beliefs? Been persecuted for them? beaten? NO! those are the sorts of people who should win damn Peace Prizes.

oh, and as a species? as a "Species" we are so self-absorbed to think we can destroy the planet?

[BlackLantern]

Should someone have to be persecuted, beaten, and jailed to have a valid point??? Is what he has to say any less important??

destroying the planet, no...but that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to make things better....

[Hotwire]

Yeah, but people don't like the idea of Nuclear energy. It scares them, despite having a perfect track record in the U.S.
Um, look up Three Mile Island.

[BlackLantern]

and who was talking about nuclear energy anyway....??? I'm sure we can come up with alternate forms of power

[sinewave]

gore would have handled it internallly, but he wouldnt have pursued who was behind it.....so we probably wouldnt be involved in Iraq or afghanistan, but we probably would be viewed as weak by the rest of the world.....maybe even gotten attacked again

:huh: iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and if you think ANY president wouldn't go after al qaeda after the attacks then you're out of your mind.

[Zoken]

Um, look up Three Mile Island.
Yeah, I did. Do you know how many people died because of it... 0
Do you have any idea how many people were adversely affected because of it? 0

Three Mile Island was a prime example of the safety of nuclear energy in the United States.

[BlackLantern]

:huh: iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and if you think ANY president wouldn't go after al qaeda after the attacks then you're out of your mind.

read the whole post....I said Afghanistan and Iraq...I'm not saying he woulldnt have done a good job, I just think he woud have taken a passive approach....and I'm aware Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.....

[Hotwire]

Yeah, I did. Do you know how many people died because of it... 0
Do you have any idea how many people were adversely affected because of it? 0

Three Mile Island was a prime example of the safety of nuclear energy in the United States.
It is still a blemish on our record.

[sinewave]

read the whole post....I said Afghanistan and Iraq...I'm not saying he woulldnt have done a good job, I just think he woud have taken a passive approach....and I'm aware Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.....

you said he wouldn't have pursued who was behind it, i.e. al qaeda. of course he would have pursued them. if by passive you mean not invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 then yeah, you're right.

[Carcharodon]

Yeah, but people don't like the idea of Nuclear energy. It scares them, despite having a perfect track record in the U.S.

He's TRYING to affect postifive change, he has yet to. He's done some lectures that he got paid for. Has he spent time in jail for his beliefs? Been persecuted for them? beaten? NO! those are the sorts of people who should win damn Peace Prizes.

oh, and as a species? as a "Species" we are so self-absorbed to think we can destroy the planet?We can't destroy the planet...we can, however, affect nearly all the life on this planet in a big way. We can drive entire species to extinction all by ourselves, and ruin or rearrange entire ecosystems, and affect species even indirectly via our activities.

As such, I think we have a certain responsibility not to do those things. It may be arrogant to believe that we can destroy the planet, but it's naive to believe that we do not have an effect on it.

[BlackLantern]

you said he wouldn't have pursued who was behind it, i.e. al qaeda. of course he would have pursued them. if by passive you mean not invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 then yeah, you're right.

we would have gone into afghanistan, found nothing(just like now) and left....thus looking impotent to the rest of the world.....

[BlackLantern]

We can't destroy the planet...we can, however, affect nearly all the life on this planet in a big way. We can drive entire species to extinction all by ourselves, and ruin or rearrange entire ecosystems, and affect species even indirectly via our activities.

As such, I think we have a certain responsibility not to do those things. It may be arrogant to believe that we can destroy the planet, but it's naive to believe that we do not have an effect on it.

basically what he said.....but god forbid you ask anyone to inconvenience themselves to better their surroundings.....its the apathy in the US and other places that bothers me more than anything else...

[Zoken]

We can't destroy the planet...we can, however, affect nearly all the life on this planet in a big way. We can drive entire species to extinction all by ourselves, and ruin or rearrange entire ecosystems, and affect species even indirectly via our activities.

As such, I think we have a certain responsibility not to do those things. It may be arrogant to believe that we can destroy the planet, but it's naive to believe that we do not have an effect on it.
More Pro-Sapien talk. Geeze, Environmentalists have a really insulting view of life outside our own. Their rather narrow minded in that respect.

[Hotwire]

We can't destroy the planet...we can, however, affect nearly all the life on this planet in a big way. We can drive entire species to extinction all by ourselves, and ruin or rearrange entire ecosystems, and affect species even indirectly via our activities.

As such, I think we have a certain responsibility not to do those things. It may be arrogant to believe that we can destroy the planet, but it's naive to believe that we do not have an effect on it.
"The planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE! Pack your sh**, folks. We're goin' away."
-George Carlin

[Zoken]

It is still a blemish on our record.
On our record, you mean as compared to the rest of the world? Like say... Russia?

Look, Nuclear energy (having claimed 0 American lives) has claimed far less american lives than the energy resources we are currently using. and yet it is continuously shackled, and road-blocked. why? because environementalist want to stick their fingers in their ears and not hear the facts dispelling the scare-storiest they heard so long ago.

[sinewave]

we would have gone into afghanistan, found nothing(just like now) and left....thus looking impotent to the rest of the world.....

man, we didn't "find nothing" in afghanistan. we had bin laden trapped in the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan and we outsourced the job of actually capturing him to afghan warlords, who were paid off by bin laden, allowing him to cross the border to pakistan. look it up.

[Hotwire]

On our record, you mean as compared to the rest of the world? Like say... Russia?

Look, Nuclear energy (having claimed 0 American lives) has claimed far less american lives than the energy resources we are currently using. and yet it is continuously shackled, and road-blocked. why? because environementalist want to stick their fingers in their ears and not hear the facts dispelling the scare-storiest they heard so long ago.
Until Chernobyl, Three Mile Island was the worst that had happened. Look, I'm not debating the safety of nuclear energy, just that the U.S. had a perfect record.

[Carcharodon]

More Pro-Sapien talk. Geeze, Environmentalists have a really insulting view of life outside our own. Their rather narrow minded in that respect.I'm not an environmentalist...I just study ecology. There's a difference. :up: I make it my business to know about ecological relationships in nature and how they can be affected by human activity. There's a balance to systems in nature.

For instance: we're making the oceans more acidic with Carbon dioxide emissions. Talk all you want about global warming, you cannot refute this fact (due to growing concentrations of Carbonic acid).

Even small changes have a profound effect on ocean organisms...this lowering of the oceans' collective pH means that organisms with Calcium carbonate shells are in danger, as these shells and structures are not only more difficult to form but break down more easily. If the trend continues, who knows what sort of effects we'll see? We're talking about numerous and ecologically important organisms.

Deforestation is outright destroying natural habitats and entire ecosystems.

Pro-Sapien? I'm talking about a delicate balance of amazing and important organisms, organisms that are important for the survival of entire ecosystems. When you admit that you don't know what you're talking about and take the time to learn just how important these balances are, and the extent to which we are in fact disrupting them, you can come back and debate the issue with me.

[BlackLantern]

man, we didn't "find nothing" in afghanistan. we had bin laden trapped in the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan and we outsourced the job of actually capturing him to afghan warlords, who were paid off by bin laden, allowing him to cross the border to pakistan. look it up.

either way, he probably woulld have gotten away.....

[BlackLantern]

Zoken....we understand if you want to drive around your coal powered Hummer and litter the streets with styrofoam...but some of us would actually like to make things just a little better if we can.....

[Zoken]

Until Chernobyl, Three Mile Island was the worst that had happened. Look, I'm not debating the safety of nuclear energy, just that the U.S. had a perfect record. Yes, you are debating the safety, you brought up three mile island as a mark against nuclear energy expansion. and again, no one was even HURT by three mile island. As I said, that shows how safe nuclear energy is in this country. Our biggest nuclear disaster didn't even hurt people.

Zoken....we understand if you want to drive around your coal powered Hummer and litter the streets with styrofoam...but some of us would actually like to make things just a little better if we can.....Better for who? Coyotes are flourishing since we started developing. we removed some of their competition. should we put it back the way it was and make it harder for coyotes?

and coal powered hummer? Did you not read where I advocate Nuclear energy, which would make electricly powered vehicles more realistic (cheeper, safer, more abundant electricity).

[BlackLantern]

Coyotes?....I believe that wildlife has its own way and we should do our best to leave them alone....

I'm all for cleaner energy, be it Nuclear or otherwise.....

[Matt]

gore would have handled it internallly, but he wouldnt have pursued who was behind it.....so we probably wouldnt be involved in Iraq or afghanistan, but we probably would be viewed as weak by the rest of the world.....maybe even gotten attacked again

We'd be involved with Afghanistan. The Afghanis government, the Taliban were pretty much bragging about harboring Bin Laden after 9/11. Any president who did NOT invade Afghanistan would've been removed from power. From there the "war on terror" would be mostly fought via special forces teams in various hot spots in the middle east and there would not be any invasion of any country. It would all be very unofficial as it would be an act of war to send military special forces teams to these various countries, but it would be the best way to go about it. Ontop of that, Gore would not have been stupid enough to sit on national TV after 9/11 and say "HEY BIN LADEN! WE'RE COMING FOR YOU IN AFGHANISTAN IN 72 HOURS!"

[BlackLantern]

We'd be involved with Afghanistan. The Afghanis government, the Taliban were pretty much bragging about harboring Bin Laden after 9/11. Any president who did NOT invade Afghanistan would've been removed from power. From there the "war on terror" would be mostly fought via special forces teams in various hot spots in the middle east and there would not be any invasion of any country. It would all be very unofficial as it would be an act of war to send military special forces teams to these various countries, but it would be the best way to go about it. Ontop of that, Gore would not have been stupid enough to sit on national TV after 9/11 and say "HEY BIN LADEN! WE'RE COMING FOR YOU IN AFGHANISTAN IN 72 HOURS!"

you don't know that.....you inside al gore's brain.....??? the guy just won the nobel and I for one do not think he willl be running.....for president....

[Zoken]

Coyotes?....I believe that wildlife has its own way and we should do our best to leave them alone....

I'm all for cleaner energy, be it Nuclear or otherwise.....
Coyotes were an example of animals that flourish because of human interference.

And when exactly did we stop being a part of nature? are we not animals? so why are our actions so special and different. The only way to "Leave nature alone" as you suggest would be to go back to caves.

[Matt]

you don't know that.....you inside al gore's brain.....??? the guy just won the nobel and I for one do not think he willl be running.....for president....

No, but it is common sense. The Taliban was bragging about harboring Bin Laden. Any president who did not invade would've been impeached. The rest is common sense. It is how we are currently fighting the war on terror outside of Iraq and Afghanistan. It is just how you go about such things.

and

He definitely won't be running for President, if he didn't announce it today, its over. But if a democrat wins it, he will probably become our UN ambassador at some point.

[BlackLantern]

Coyotes were an example of animals that flourish because of human interference.

And when exactly did we stop being a part of nature? are we not animals? so why are our actions so special and different. The only way to "Leave nature alone" as you suggest would be to go back to caves.

I said wildlife...not nature.....I still maintain we need to start looking at alternate forms of fuels, power, etc....

[BlackLantern]

No, but it is common sense. The Taliban was bragging about harboring Bin Laden. Any president who did not invade would've been impeached. The rest is common sense. It is how we are currently fighting the war on terror outside of Iraq and Afghanistan. It is just how you go about such things.

and

He definitely won't be running for President, if he didn't announce it today, its over. But if a democrat wins it, he will probably become our UN ambassador at some point.

I'd go with the Ambassador thing.....my overrall concern is that I have not seen a candidate on either side that I even feel is capable of running.....

[Zoken]

Alternate from what? the Ethanol-corn-oil fuel is useless as you get less milage which means tanking up more often, and it is still partially fossil fuel. You can run a diesel car on used cooking oil (filtered), and that's damn cheap and definitely renewable (it's the oil left over from fryers). You can run a normal car on hydrogen, the only problem is making that a feasible option. electric cars don't have the get-up and go, they don't have as much space, and they hybrids have the same limitations but also still run on some fossil fuel.

[Matt]

I'd go with the Ambassador thing.....my overrall concern is that I have not seen a candidate on either side that I even feel is capable of running.....

I feel the same way. Bill Richardson is the only one who is deserving of the job and he is polling at, what? 7 %? Why? Because he is fat and ugly. As opposed to a guy who put on a good dog and pony show during 9/11. A person running strictly on her name and sexual organs. And a man running strictly on his charisma and skin color. We are rejecting the most experienced candidate for them. God bless America. Its why I wish Mark Warner ran or Al Gore would run. They have the experience and could win it.

[BlackLantern]

I have never heard of Mark Warner so pardon my ignorance on that one.......but thats a fairly accurate picture of the "front-runners".....

[BlackLantern]

Alternate from what? the Ethanol-corn-oil fuel is useless as you get less milage which means tanking up more often, and it is still partially fossil fuel. You can run a diesel car on used cooking oil (filtered), and that's damn cheap and definitely renewable (it's the oil left over from fryers). You can run a normal car on hydrogen, the only problem is making that a feasible option. electric cars don't have the get-up and go, they don't have as much space, and they hybrids have the same limitations but also still run on some fossil fuel.

speakiing of electricity....I watched the 'who killed the electric car' movie....very intresting and informative....and it did point the finger at the american consumer, which i think needs to be done more often....

[Matt]

I have never heard of Mark Warner so pardon my ignorance on that one.......but thats a fairly accurate picture of the "front-runners".....

Mark Warner was the governor of Virginia, who pretty much turned the state around with his policies. His final approval rating was north of 70 %. He was considering a presidential bid, but decided against it, and is running for senate.

[BlackLantern]

Mark Warner was the governor of Virginia, who pretty much turned the state around with his policies. His final approval rating was north of 70 %. He was considering a presidential bid, but decided against it, and is running for senate.

ok....Thank you for the knowledge.....

[Zoken]

speakiing of electricity....I watched the 'who killed the electric car' movie....very intresting and informative....and it did point the finger at the american consumer, which i think needs to be done more often....
I can agree with you there.

[Carcharodon]

Coyotes were an example of animals that flourish because of human interference.

And when exactly did we stop being a part of nature? are we not animals? so why are our actions so special and different. The only way to "Leave nature alone" as you suggest would be to go back to caves.The next time you see any other organism driving a car and otherwise burning fossil fuels, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal clearing entire forests, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal proven to be responsible for acid rain, you let me know.

What a ridiculous question.

[BlackLantern]

The next time you see any other organism driving a car and otherwise burning fossil fuels, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal clearing entire forests, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal proven to be responsible for acid rain, you let me know.

What a ridiculous question.

What about Toonces the Driving Cat ???:oldrazz:

[Carcharodon]

What about Toonces the Driving Cat ???:oldrazz:Toonces be damned! :cmad:

[Zoken]

The next time you see any other organism driving a car and otherwise burning fossil fuels, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal clearing entire forests, you let me know.

The next time you see any other animal proven to be responsible for acid rain, you let me know.

What a ridiculous question.
So we're special because we're smarter than they are? We're not supposed to use our one advantage over other animals, intelligence? Trust me,without our intelligence, we're nothing special.

[Carcharodon]

So we're special because we're smarter than they are? We're not supposed to use our one advantage over other animals, intelligence? Trust me,without our intelligence, we're nothing special....and? What I'm saying is that we have a responsibility to do as little as possible to harm the environment and the world's ecosystems. Why not use our intelligence to minimize our impact, given our unbridled success in the past couple of centuries?

If nothing else, think of it as an investment. We simply are not living sustainably. Period. We have a world-wide distribution as a species (well, almost), and we're using resources way beyond a sustainable level. How do you think that isn't doing damage? Seriously?

[Zoken]

The only way to lower our impact is to cease our use of resources. No more crude oil rigs and refineries, means no more plastics, no more cars, etc.

No more logging, no more paper or wood products

no more farming removes all food sources and clothing sources.

you're right, not damaging the environment is easy.

[rdh007]

I think Obama would make good decisions when in office, nothing I've seen tells me any different.

Giuliani -- Poor decisions in office and his private life.
Rodham-Clinton -- "

[Matt]

I think Obama would make good decisions when in office, nothing I've seen tells me any different.



Nothing I've seen from him tells me he will make good decisions or bad decisions. He is scared to take a stance on anything. He will likely walk a middle ground his entire time in office if elected and in turn become completely ineffective.

[Zoken]

Nothing I've seen from him tells me he will make good decisions or bad decisions. He is scared to take a stance on anything. He will likely walk a middle ground his entire time in office if elected and in turn become completely ineffective.
I frankly think Obama's too green for the job. He needs some years on capitol hill making noise and impressing the hell out of us before he runs again.

Clinton... I don't like her because it's way too obvious she wants power and to be president.

[Carcharodon]

The only way to lower our impact is to cease our use of resources. No more crude oil rigs and refineries, means no more plastics, no more cars, etc.

No more logging, no more paper or wood products

no more farming removes all food sources and clothing sources.

you're right, not damaging the environment is easy.No: we need to take steps to lower our use of resources, and make a move towards renewable resources and smarter resource management. We need to make this our priority right along with slowing our population growth (which can be accomplished either by abstinence, which doesn't really work, or waiting a few more years to have kids).

THAT will lower our impact, not eliminate it. I think it's impossible not to have a large ecological footprint, given the size and spread of our species. We can still do more.

[Warhammer]

I feel the same way. Bill Richardson is the only one who is deserving of the job and he is polling at, what? 7 %? Why? Because he is fat and ugly. As opposed to a guy who put on a good dog and pony show during 9/11. A person running strictly on her name and sexual organs. And a man running strictly on his charisma and skin color. We are rejecting the most experienced candidate for them. God bless America. Its why I wish Mark Warner ran or Al Gore would run. They have the experience and could win it.

Mark Warner = :up:

He was governor of my state.

[Zoken]

No: we need to take steps to lower our use of resources, and make a move towards renewable resources and smarter resource management. We need to make this our priority right along with slowing our population growth (which can be accomplished either by abstinence, which doesn't really work, or waiting a few more years to have kids).

THAT will lower our impact, not eliminate it. I think it's impossible not to have a large ecological footprint, given the size and spread of our species. We can still do more.

We need to make our priorties to take care of those of our species who are suffering. how about that flippin' goal? How about decreasing poverty? How about spreading wealth and resources to those who have very little? What about those priorties and goals?

the only reason abstinence doesn't work is because people refuse to practice it. It is the only form of birth contol that can be 100% guarenteed

[Addendum]

Abstinence is breeding grounds for terrorism.

[Zoken]

Abstinence is breeding grounds for terrorism.
Dude... um... are you joking or what?

[Addendum]

Mockery.

Although I don't see that many people that are sexually active strap some dynamite on and go kablooie on a bus

[Zoken]

Mockery.

Although I don't see that many people that are sexually active strap some dynamite on and go kablooie on a bus
Sorry, my sense of humor is in the shop.

Although check your definition. even if she's 12 and begs you to stop, it's still sex.

[Addendum]

Unless you're a mormon. Then it's just "being fruitful and multiplying with your harem, even if she is your cousin. Don't worry, god approves it"

[Zoken]

Unless you're a mormon. Then it's just "being fruitful and multiplying with your harem, even if she is your cousin. Don't worry, god approves it"
Wow, you really don't like Mormons... Me, I hate Windsor-Nazis... them and their damn neck-ties... I SHALL NOT WEAR ONE!

[Addendum]

I just wanted to make a joke about polygamy, and just happened to read an article about that mormon minister that was sent to jail for forcing a 14 year old to marry her cousin.

But I don't hate mormons. They're just annoying with their white shirts and ties, name tags, and stare at you without blinking, forcing you to blink for them

[Carcharodon]

We need to make our priorties to take care of those of our species who are suffering. how about that flippin' goal? How about decreasing poverty? How about spreading wealth and resources to those who have very little? What about those priorties and goals?

the only reason abstinence doesn't work is because people refuse to practice it. It is the only form of birth contol that can be 100% guarenteedYou're really trying hard to shift the focus of the debate. I'll play along, though.

What good will it do to decrease poverty and to take care of people who are suffering by continuing to use resources at an unsustainable rate? Eventually we're gonna crash, and we're gonna crash hard, and we're taking lots of organisms down with us as we go. Pretty soon we're going to have problems that transcend socioeconomic borders.

We're having an effect on the world around us, including biotic and abiotic factors. We're shifting and disrupting balances in ways that can easily come back to bite us in the ass. You said before that I was speaking solely in pro-Sapien terms, but we're just as tied to this earth and its organisms as any other organism. We're not indestructible, for all our power and intelligence.

[Zoken]

Ohhhh... I still hate Windsor-Nazis... and that guy. That damn renegade minister. at least I hope he's a renegade minister. otherwise mormonism just took a big leap closer to the "cult" line in my book.

[Carcharodon]

Ohhhh... I still hate Windsor-Nazis... and that guy. That damn renegade minister. at least I hope he's a renegade minister. otherwise mormonism just took a big leap closer to the "cult" line in my book.Magic underwear and Jesus-on-a-spaceship didn't already do that? :oldrazz:

[Zoken]

Magic underwear and Jesus-on-a-spaceship didn't already do that? :oldrazz:
never heard about those... please tell me you're joking... or at least being out of context.

oh... and you're on my pinko-eco-commie watch list... just thought I'd warn you. I'll report you... I don't know who I'll report you to, but I'll do it Satan damn it.

[Carcharodon]

never heard about those... please tell me you're joking... or at least being out of context.

oh... and you're on my pinko-eco-commie watch list... just thought I'd warn you. I'll report you... I don't know who I'll report you to, but I'll do it Satan damn it.Once again, I'm not an environmentalist. I don't go tying myself to trees, and I don't go making protests in D.C. I just have an understanding of ecological systems in nature and the effects we have on them. That's all.

The magic underwear part is true...kind of. It's really the, "holy undergarment," that members in a certain position of the church wear.

Jesus-on-a-spaceship is taken a bit out of context, referring to the return of Christ. Those were the words of a mormon I once knew, though.

[Kelly]

I love the discussion his movie has brought to my classes, I'll leave it at that.

[Superman4ever]

Hey...isn't this the same prize awarded to this guy? :dry:

http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/2/250px-yasser-arafat-1999.jpg

A terrorist.......


The Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. It's turned into a booster for any nut job that champions liberal causes.

Congrats Al!

Hey, didn't they give a Nobel Peace Prize to this terrorist too?! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Mbegin2.jpg

So, it evens out!

[StorminNorman]

The Weather Channel has lost its way, according to John Coleman, who founded the channel in 1982.

Coleman told an audience at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change on March 3 (http://www.heartland.org/NewYork08/newyork08.cfm) in New York that he is highly critical of global warming alarmism.

“The Weather Channel had great promise, and that’s all gone now because they’ve made every mistake in the book on what they’ve done and how they’ve done it and it’s very sad,” Coleman said. “It’s now for sale and there’s a new owner of The Weather Channel will be announced – several billion dollars having changed hands in the near future. Let’s hope the new owners can recapture the vision and stop reporting the traffic, telling us what to think and start giving us useful weather information.”
[/URL]

The Weather Channel has been an outlet for global warming alarmism. In December 2006, The Weather Channel’s Heidi Cullen [URL="http://climate.weather.com/blog/9_11396.html"]argued (http://www.eyeblast.org/public/FlashPlayerLight.swf) on her blog that weathercasters who had doubts about human influence on global warming should be punished with decertification by the American Meteorological Society.

Coleman also told the audience his strategy for exposing what he called “the fraud of global warming.” He advocated suing those who sell carbon credits, which would force global warming alarmists to give a more honest account of the policies they propose.

“[I] have a feeling this is the opening,” Coleman said. “If the lawyers will take the case – sue the people who sell carbon credits. That includes Al Gore. That lawsuit would get so much publicity, so much media attention. And as the experts went to the media stand to testify, I feel like that could become the vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.”

Earlier at the conference Lord Christopher Monckton, a policy adviser to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, told an audience that the science will eventually prevail (http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303154249.aspx) and the “scare” of global warming will go away. He also said the courts were a good avenue to show the science.


http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx

[Tron5000]

[/SIZE][/FONT]
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx

I like that guy. Really enjoyed his statements a couple weeks ago about anthropogenic global warming.

[StorminNorman]

GLENN: All right. Now there's a couple of other things that are going on. John Coleman, you know him. He's the guy who started the Weather Channel. He's been on with us several times before. He's great. I love him because, look, he's just a normal guy. He started the Weather Channel. He was just, you know, a teeny weather guy for years and years. He's a climatologist, and he's listening to stuff and he just pops a blood vessel and says, "I can't take it anymore." Well, the good news today is that John Coleman is suing -- John, are you suing Al Gore yourself?

COLEMAN: I'm not launching any lawsuits but I'm asking the question that if Al Gore knows that CO2 forcing, that is, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from our fossil fuels, is not causing global warming, isn't he committing financial fraud when he sells carbon credits to people to offset their use of fossil fuels and putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? I've asked the question and believe me, a lot of people were really interested in that question. And I --

GLENN: But Al Gore doesn't ever answer any questions.

COLEMAN: Well, he is going to have to answer this one because I have found that I am not alone and that's the wonderful thing that's going on here in New York is that 500 of us from all over the world who are climate change skeptics are together for a conference for the first time and I'm discovering that there are numerous people in this group who are working on just that concept of getting this carbon credits scam into court. And think what that would mean if Al Gore scientists and our skeptical scientists are to go into a court, their documentations, you know, had to meet the legal requirements, they had to take the witness stand. Now we would really get down to the facts.

GLENN: John, may I --

COLEMAN: That's just great.

GLENN: John, I'm sorry that I missed you yesterday. In fact, Stu and I are going over for part of the conference here in a couple of hours because we're going to take a break before we do the live television show tonight at 7:00 to 9:00 but I'm sorry I missed you. But let me ask you this question. I think a lot of these scientists that I have met at the global warming centers conference if you will, or skeptics, I think a lot of them are living in a fairy, in some sort of fairy village because they actually think that this can be stopped at this point. I really don't think, with Joe -- I mean, with John McCain, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama all talking about caps in trades, all talking about, you know, making sure that they start paying homage to the UN on global climate control, all of them are talking about extra fines and paying for every bit of CO2. This is a giant income tax scheme or tax scheme. That's all it is. How do you think it's going to be stopped in time, especially after the election with a progressive congress and all three candidates promising they will do it? This will be the first thing on their agenda.

COLEMAN: I understand exactly what you're saying, Glenn, and I have been very reticent to predict that we would have any success prior to this conference, but I see at this conference a real unity and I see the sign of this coming aboard. Now, scientists aboard is one thing. The media aboard is another. And as you know, the vast majority of the media has totally ignored us. You have been one of the wonderful exceptions and there are a few others but for the most part the mainstream media has totally ignored us and our cause, but I think we are beginning, just beginning to penetrate and that's the real key. The politicians are going to follow public opinion, and public opinion is going to be set by the media and we have to crack open the media first.

GLENN: I don't -- I'm telling you, John, I don't think -- I mean, I just think -- here, I heard a prediction from Al Gore. Stu, when was this? About a year ago, where he said 2009 is going to be our year. He knew that it was going -- that we were going to have the progressive congress that we're going to have, he knew, you know, that most likely at the time it was going to be Hillary Clinton who would have been, you know, somebody who put you through. But now we've got people on each side of Hillary Clinton. All of them are going to do the same thing. We're quickly running out of time. And I asked the audience, here we are broadcasting all across America. There is a major global warming conference happening here in New York City, with some of the top scientific minds in the country. And also I'm going to be real honest with you, also a couple of crackpots but I mean, that's the way -- it's a conference. You can come and I mean, I've been to places where you're like, oh, boy. If you've never been to a trade convention, that's what this is. And you're like, oh, boy, avoid this guy like the plague. But some of the greatest scientific minds that are skeptics on global warming are here today. It is a major event. The first of its kind, if I'm not mistaken. And has anybody in the country seen coverage on this on any of the networks besides on my program, in any kind of halfway fair sort of fashion?

COLEMAN: Well, you are exactly right. I've been watching the media here because we came to New York City --

GLENN: Because it's media.

COLEMAN: Because this is where the media, national media headquarters is. And the major networks are just down the street from this hotel. Believe me they haven't walked up the street to see us.

GLENN: One of them is directly across the street.

COLEMAN: It is a huge problem, Glenn, but don't give up. Don't give up.

GLENN: No, I'm not -- look, look. John, I'm not --

COLEMAN: I appreciate everything you're saying, but this week Al Gore had to finally say, had to acknowledge that we just had the coldest year in modern history in the world. For over 12 months the temperature worldwide dropped by an average of 1 degree. Everything it had gained over the last 100 it gave up this year.

GLENN: Okay. Now John --

COLEMAN: And Al Gore had to admit that. We are making progress.

GLENN: I want to ask you this because you are a climatologist or meteorologist?

COLEMAN: I'm a meteorologist.

GLENN: You are a meteorologist. One year does not a trend make but we're now approaching a 10-year cycle where, if I'm not mistaken, the temperature has either stayed the same or gone down. Which is it? Is it gone down, the temperature is starting to fall now?

COLEMAN: There has been no significant increase now in eight years.

GLENN: In eight years? Okay. How many is, how many years has to pass --

COLEMAN: Think about this. If we have runaway global warming as the alarmists have told us, if CO2 has continued to build in the atmosphere through this whole time, we're burning our fossil fuel, CO2 is burning up in the atmosphere. If it were a pollutant, which it is not, if it were the driving force of global warming, which it is not, our temperatures would be climbing and instead they're cooling. We're seeing steadier cooling and their case is falling apart. And we now have almost 500 scientists who have spoken out in the last year calling this global warming a scam. It's coming.

GLENN: You know, I have to tell you, John, I've been so impressed with these guys that I have met because it's not just a science to them. It is not -- I mean, a lot of them are saying the good name of science is --

COLEMAN: Let me tell you the great hurricane forecaster who we always hear forecasting the hurricanes from the University of Colorado made the most marvelous speech at our breakfast this morning. The president of the Czech Republic made an incredibly good speech and totally debunked global warming. These are meaningful important people. How can the media ignore us? How much longer can it ignore us?

GLENN: John Coleman, he is the founder of the Weather Channel and one of the chief guys who just can't take it anymore. God bless you, John. Keep up the fight, my friend.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/6794/

[SuBe]

I've been saying that for months! I've heard that from an Interview with Coleman, and Global Warming Proponents on this Forum kept telling me I was wrong! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[Carcharodon]

Memphis Slim posted a video about this in the other global warming thread. Next time I have something else to say about climate change, I'm going to start an entirely new thread. :yay:

[SuperMonkey]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/6794/I bet he was paid off by big oil [/whisper] :o

[StorminNorman]

Memphis Slim posted a video about this in the other global warming thread. Next time I have something else to say about climate change, I'm going to start an entirely new thread. :yay:

This is less about Climate Change - more about the issue of suing Al Gore about Carbon Credits.

The two are separate issues that deserve separate threads. :yay:

[SuperMonkey]

Out of curiosity, norm, what side are you on?

[The Spawn]

Everything deserves seperate forums.

[Carcharodon]

Everything deserves seperate forums....didn't you say that you were a teacher at one point?

[Carcharodon]

This is less about Climate Change - more about the issue of suing Al Gore about Carbon Credits.

The two are separate issues that deserve separate threads. :yay:Whatever, commie. :cmad:

I don't think the basis for this guy's idea/case will fly in court. You can't really sue for hypocrisy, which is the entire idea behind this guy's argument. =/

[The Spawn]

A teacher without his glasses.

[Tron5000]

Whatever, commie. :cmad:

I don't think the basis for this guy's idea/case will fly in court. You can't really sue for hypocrisy, which is the entire idea behind this guy's argument. =/

I don't think it would be hypocrisy. If you knew that you were profiting off of selling people an idea that you know is false, I think that would be grounds for a suit.

[The Spawn]

KNOW is false or believe to be true?

[The Spawn]

With or without my glasses that seems like a spelling error spawned from a lack of intelligence...and sounding things out.

[Carcharodon]

I don't think it would be hypocrisy. If you knew that you were profiting off of selling people an idea that you know is false, I think that would be grounds for a suit.1) They'd have to prove he knew it was false.
2) Lowering Carbon emissions is environmentally beneficial, no matter how you cut it and even ignoring the climate change debate.
3) Let's sue the Catholic church for letting people think they can buy their way into heaven!

P.S.: Number three wasn't meant to be taken entirely literally; it's just meant to further the point that the lawsuit doesn't have a single leg to stand on.

[Carcharodon]

With or without my glasses that seems like a spelling error spawned from a lack of intelligence...and sounding things out.Stop thinking so hard about it, I was just playing around, lol. :up:

[StorminNorman]

Out of curiosity, norm, what side are you on?

I am unsure.

I do want to end the dependence on foreign oil, and I am not opposed to reducing pollution and the like - so I don't oppose a lot of the methods Global Warming advocates make. I dislike the idea of Green Fee's and Carbon Credits and things like that, however.

[The Spawn]

I know...but I take personal flaws and mistakes veeeeeeeeeeeery seriously.


Thanks to you I've scheduled an appointment for laser eye surgery just now.

[Carcharodon]

I am unsure.

I do want to end the dependence on foreign oil, and I am not opposed to reducing pollution and the like - so I don't oppose a lot of the methods Global Warming advocates make. I dislike the idea of Green Fee's and Carbon Credits and things like that, however.Yeah...the biggest problem is figuring out just how to go about the change. Most existing ideas are sort of ineffective, short of developing new fuel sources. I'm wary of forcing people to pay for CO2 emissions. On the other hand, it could turn out to be an effective method.

I'm almost with you there, though. I'm unsure about all of that.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah...the biggest problem is figuring out just how to go about the change. Most existing ideas are sort of ineffective, short of developing new fuel sources. I'm wary of forcing people to pay for CO2 emissions. On the other hand, it could turn out to be an effective method.

I'm almost with you there, though. I'm unsure about all of that.

I want Hydrogen Cars like no bodies business.

If the Conservative anti-Middle East Republicans joined with Liberal Environmentalist Democrats in a fund raising venture - we could fund the infrastructure that would allow those cars (already developed) to be practical.

[Carcharodon]

I want Hydrogen Cars like no bodies business.

If the Conservative anti-Middle East Republicans joined with Liberal Environmentalist Democrats in a fund raising venture - we could fund the infrastructure that would allow those cars (already developed) to be practical.Yeah. Unfortunately, it has to be a gradual process to avoid some economic meltdown. Oil suppliers/companies are so far up our asses that they can make us sing on command. :csad:

[StorminNorman]

Yeah. Unfortunately, it has to be a gradual process to avoid some economic meltdown. Oil suppliers/companies are so far up our asses that they can make us sing on command. :csad:

Any sort of change in fuel would HAVE to gradual, if for no other reason - not everyone is going to go out and by a Hydrogen car.

[The Spawn]

The government would supply a mandate in which we would all have to trade in our gas powered vehicles to acquire one.


What better way would there be.

[SuBe]

The government would supply a mandate in which we would all have to trade in our gas powered vehicles to acquire one.


What better way would there be.
Such a Change should be market driving, not Government Mandated. How much would THAT cost the Taxpayer?

[StorminNorman]

Such a Change should be market driving, not Government Mandated. How much would THAT cost the Taxpayer?

I agree.

Plus one has to consider the Gas Station Owner.

This would HAVE to be market driven.

[The Spawn]

Market driven? Then why have a Government? The Government is market driven.

[StorminNorman]

The government is government driven.

[Tron5000]

The government is government driven.

"Power-driven," I believe.

[Marx]

From his days as Vice President...to the election debacle of 2000...to Global Warming, "An Inconvenient Truth," Nobel Peace Prizes, and political endorsements. This is for ALL things GORE!

(Commence discussion! Praise and/or non-support.)

[Matt]

I posted this in another thread, I will post it here as well:

It is a very unlikely (if not impossible) scenario...but how amazing would it be if Gore threw his name in at the convention? Like, on day 2 or 3 when there is nothing but deadlock...Gore enters as a dark horse. I don't believe there is anything that prevents him from doing so. Who would it hurt? Who would it help? Could Gore take the nomination that way? In an odd sense, it would be the best thing for the party as Gore would wipe the floor with McCain

[Excel]

How about another run as VP??

[Matt]

Because I'm sure the most powerful party elder, a nobel prize winner, who could've easily defeated either candidate himself in the primary, would really settle for number two for the second time.

[The Senator]

Depending on what Gore gets accomplished in the next four years, he may be a strong choice for President if the Dems lose this time around.

[Matt]

Depending on what Gore gets accomplished in the next four years, he may be a strong choice for President if the Dems lose this time around.

I'd love for him to enter the nomination process as a dark horse at the convention if it is deadlocked. Is there legally anything preventing him from doing so, Jman? Gotta admit, there would be some poetic justice to Gore stealing the Democratic nomination and going on to win the primary after 2000.

Though I really believe Gore does not want to run for office again. I think 2000 kicked his ass both physically and emotionally and who would really want to endure that again?

[Excel]

Give it time; he'll want in sooner or later if he thinks he could win. Gore vs. Clinton vs. Obama...all 3 cadidates are bigger than the republican nominee :word:

[The Senator]

I'd love for him to enter the nomination process as a dark horse at the convention if it is deadlocked. Is there legally anything preventing him from doing so, Jman? Gotta admit, there would be some poetic justice to Gore stealing the Democratic nomination and going on to win the primary after 2000.

I don't think so. After all, Hubert Humphrey didn't run for President in 1968, and he became the nominee at the convention. I don't know if they've changed the rules since then, but I think anything's possible.


Though I really believe Gore does not want to run for office again. I think 2000 kicked his ass both physically and emotionally and who would really want to endure that again?

I tend to agree with that. If he was going to run again, it would have undoubtedly been in either 2004 or 2008. But, if he does something spectacular within the next few years, or if circumstances align themselves properly... he could very well be one of the instant front runners for the nomination. Highly unlikely? Yes. Completely impossible? Not really.... after all, look at Nixon.

[StorminNorman]

There are few men I despise...

Mike Huckabee, Stan Lee, Geraldo Rivera...

Al Gore is on that list.

[Matt]

I don't think so. After all, Hubert Humphrey didn't run for President in 1968, and he became the nominee at the convention. I don't know if they've changed the rules since then, but I think anything's possible.

God, I would love that.


I tend to agree with that. If he was going to run again, it would have undoubtedly been in either 2004 or 2008. But, if he does something spectacular within the next few years, or if circumstances align themselves properly... he could very well be one of the instant front runners for the nomination. Highly unlikely? Yes. Completely impossible? Not really.... after all, look at Nixon.

Nixon still wanted it for all those years though. I just don't get the feeling that Gore is hungry for it any more.

[Matt]

There are few men I despise...

Mike Huckabee, Stan Lee, Geraldo Rivera...

Al Gore is on that list.

You've lost all credibility. :cmad: :cwink:

[Matt]

On a side note, one of the funniest things I have ever seen was Gore's attempt to announce he is running for President at the Oscars only to get drowned out by the cut-off-speech music.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Even now some wish that Gore would re-enter. I would think many would vouch for him,even at this late time. If this were to happen it would be between Gore and Obama.

[hippie_hunter]

There are few men I despise...

Mike Huckabee, Stan Lee, Geraldo Rivera...

Al Gore is on that list.

What the hell is wrong with Stan :csad:

[Marx]

Even now some wish that Gore would re-enter. I would think many would vouch for him,even at this late time. If this were to happen it would be between Gore and Obama.

Could you imagine a Gore/Obama or Gore/Clinton ticket. It would be GREAT! :yay:

I have to agree with Jman and Matt though, I don't think he is interested. Although it would be poetic justice if he gained the nomination at the convention. I am a huge Gore supporter!

[Marx]

There are few men I despise...

Mike Huckabee, Stan Lee, Geraldo Rivera...

Al Gore is on that list.

What's your beef with Gore Norm? If I may ask.

[sithgoblin]

I posted this in another thread, I will post it here as well:

It is a very unlikely (if not impossible) scenario...but how amazing would it be if Gore threw his name in at the convention? Like, on day 2 or 3 when there is nothing but deadlock...Gore enters as a dark horse. I don't believe there is anything that prevents him from doing so. Who would it hurt? Who would it help? Could Gore take the nomination that way? In an odd sense, it would be the best thing for the party as Gore would wipe the floor with McCain

I've heard a few people mention that as a possibility.

Dream come true.

[Marx]

Gore weighs in on Democratic race; Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-FL) suggests that Gore could assume the role of a compromise candidate if Clinton and Obama cannot reach a deal.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/28/gore-hopes-dem-race-will-resolve-itself/

TIME asks "Is Al Gore the answer?"

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1725678,00.html

[Matt]

In a perfect, but very unlikely world. I'm guessing it could come down to a second ballot so long as Clinton wins PA and Indiana...but Gore won't jump in.

[The Senator]

Gore weighs in on Democratic race; Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-FL) suggests that Gore could assume the role of a compromise candidate if Clinton and Obama cannot reach a deal.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/28/gore-hopes-dem-race-will-resolve-itself/

TIME asks "Is Al Gore the answer?"

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1725678,00.html

While the situation described by Time is highly unlikely, it never the less is a possibility. If the Democratic Party goes into the Convention as divided as it is now, Gore and a number of others could possibly emerge as a spoiler. Most Democrats probably wouldn't care all that much. A lot of Hillary supporters love Gore (most of us wanted him to run in the first place), and if Gore becomes the Presidential nominee, Obama could be his VP and retain a lot of his support. I would probably vote for a Gore-Obama ticket.

[Matt]

I'd say if anyone is going to come out as a dark horse it would be Edwards, simply because Gore does not want the nomination and that makes Edwards the most prominent "other candidate" within the party right now. There's a few higher ups who could try (John Kerry for example) but they would likely be met with failure. Edwards and Gore are the only two darkhorses I can see actually stealing the nomination.

Gore however, would make the most sense. He would wipe the floor with McCain, is actually qualified to be President, and right now people love him. He could do it without creating too much resentment.

But alas, it is very unlikely. It would have to be a total deadlock for it to work and I think both candidates would sit down and work something out among each other before they let someone else ride in on a white horse and make them irrelevant.

Imagine if Gore did try to take the nomination at the convention...successful or not, it will split the party even more and pretty much be the final nail in the coffins of Obama and Clinton. They won't let it come to that.

[StorminNorman]

What's your beef with Gore Norm? If I may ask.

I find him to be incredibly bitter about the Presidential Election he lost, annoyingly so.

He also gets far too much recognition on the Global Warming front. He isn't the one doing the science that backs up his claims, yet he gets the Noble Peace Prize.

[Matt]

I find him to be incredibly bitter about the Presidential Election he lost, annoyingly so.

He also gets far too much recognition on the Global Warming front. He isn't the one doing the science that backs up his claims, yet he gets the Noble Peace Prize.

One could argue the scientists would not have the funding they do if not for Gore bringing the topic to forefront of public attention.

[Matt]

Y'know, I'm not sure a compromise candidate is that bad of an idea.

McCain's camp has been vigorously campaigning and digging up all the dirt they can find on Obama and Clinton. They'll have had about a 5 month head start when all of this is finished. The Democrat candidates have essentially hung themselves. They cannot win. Is it not the obligation of the super delegates to overturn the election results in such a scenario?

[Mr Sparkle]

I find him to be incredibly bitter about the Presidential Election he lost, annoyingly so.

He also gets far too much recognition on the Global Warming front. He isn't the one doing the science that backs up his claims, yet he gets the Noble Peace Prize.

how come? I mean, aside from the obvious period in which he would be pissed off, what has he done that paints him as bitter?

[Matt]

how come? I mean, aside from the obvious period in which he would be pissed off, what has he done that paints him as bitter?

I sort of have the same question. It seems to me that Gore jokes about the 2000 election more than anything else. Its not as if he is constantly going on about how he should be president. He seems to have a fairly good sense of humor about it.

[Superman4ever]

There are few men I despise...

Mike Huckabee, Stan Lee, Geraldo Rivera...

Al Gore is on that list.

For some reason I thought you were a Huckabee supporter. I agree with Rivera though. I'm neutral on Stan Lee.

For the moment I'm neutral on Gore as well. Maybe I'm holding a grudge because he didn't run in '04 and we had that spineless idiot Kerry. Now that's a man I despise.

[Marx]

I find him to be incredibly bitter about the Presidential Election he lost, annoyingly so.

He also gets far too much recognition on the Global Warming front. He isn't the one doing the science that backs up his claims, yet he gets the Noble Peace Prize.

I think you'd be bitter too Norm if you really won the election but lost due to the Supreme Court's interference.

[Marx]

I sort of have the same question. It seems to me that Gore jokes about the 2000 election more than anything else. Its not as if he is constantly going on about how he should be president. He seems to have a fairly good sense of humor about it.

Look at his appearance on SNL, that was hilarious! :funny:

[Kelly]

I don't see Al Gore as bitter about much, he has made a few jokes....but he didn't write the jokes...lol, they were written for him...I'm not sure he has that much sense of humor.


I think Gore should stay in the college classrooms, and as a speaker bringing the issue of the environment to the forefront.

I do not believe that he is presidential material........nor do I believe he is anywhere near the "savior of the Democratic Party" that is laughable IMO.

[Matt]

Gore would beat McCain with relative ease, I'd imagine. He is currently a public sweetheart. While hardcore Republicans hate him, both Democrats and independents adore him. His post-vice-presidency work has created a lot of buzz around him which could be used as momentum to destroy McCain.

If both Democrats are in self-destruct mode (and they are) and it does not end by the convention...then I think the super delegates have an obligation to pick a new candidate and the only feasible ones are Gore and Edwards. Edwards would probably lose to McCain. Gore on the other hand would win in a landslide.

He is certainly better than the so called "Dream Ticket" which would guarantee a McCain win.

[The Senator]

Gore would beat McCain with relative ease, I'd imagine. He is currently a public sweetheart. While hardcore Republicans hate him, both Democrats and independents adore him. His post-vice-presidency work has created a lot of buzz around him which could be used as momentum to destroy McCain.

If both Democrats are in self-destruct mode (and they are) and it does not end by the convention...then I think the super delegates have an obligation to pick a new candidate and the only feasible ones are Gore and Edwards. Edwards would probably lose to McCain. Gore on the other hand would win in a landslide.

He is certainly better than the so called "Dream Ticket" which would guarantee a McCain win.

Edwards actually led McCain by 14 points before he dropped out of the race, while Clinton and Obama only led by 5-10%. So I think he'd have a good enough chance if the delegates decided to forgo the Clinton-Obama fiasco.

[Kelly]

Gore would beat McCain with relative ease, I'd imagine. He is currently a public sweetheart. While hardcore Republicans hate him, both Democrats and independents adore him. His post-vice-presidency work has created a lot of buzz around him which could be used as momentum to destroy McCain.

If both Democrats are in self-destruct mode (and they are) and it does not end by the convention...then I think the super delegates have an obligation to pick a new candidate and the only feasible ones are Gore and Edwards. Edwards would probably lose to McCain. Gore on the other hand would win in a landslide.

He is certainly better than the so called "Dream Ticket" which would guarantee a McCain win.

Right now he's a media darling..........so was Obama.......

[Matt]

Edwards actually led McCain by 14 points before he dropped out of the race, while Clinton and Obama only led by 5-10%. So I think he'd have a good enough chance if the delegates decided to forgo the Clinton-Obama fiasco.

sigh...it is a shame the media wrote Edwards off with the likes of Dodd and Kucinich.

I'd take either of them, to be honest over either of the candidates we have. Though I doubt it will happen. The Democratic Party would have to actually, have, y'know, a set of balls to do something like that.

[Kelly]

Heres the problem I'm having......

None of the candidates meet even a majority of my criteria....

Richardson: Foreign Policy
Kucinich: Health Care
McCain: Homeland Security/and Immigration "his" way, not "his" way now to get the conservative vote.
Bloomberg: Economic Policy

*sighs* I'm screwed again....

[Matt]

Right now he's a media darling..........so was Obama.......

Obama destroyed himself through stupidity. First he surrounded himself with questionable characters (Rezko, Wright, etc). Then he made a huge pedestal for himself...but when you're up that high, you only fall harder. Finally, he allowed himself to sink to Clinton's level which turned off a lot of the indepedents initially backing him.

The GOP already had one shot at destroying Gore in 2000. They failed. Granted, he lost the electoral vote but won the popular. The man just doesn't have much dirt on him so they resorted to tying him to the Clinton administration and indirectly to Monica-Gate. That won't hold water now. Instead, you would have a Nobel Prize winner running for President against a man who has painted himself as right wing, Bush lackey. Gore will tie McCain to Bush and that will score him a lot of points with independents, especially those who think Gore should've been president in 2000.

[Kelly]

Obama destroyed himself through stupidity. First he surrounded himself with questionable characters (Rezko, Wright, etc). Then he made a huge pedestal for himself...but when you're up that high, you only fall harder. Finally, he allowed himself to sink to Clinton's level which turned off a lot of the indepedents initially backing him.

The GOP already had one shot at destroying Gore in 2000. They failed. Granted, he lost the electoral vote but won the popular. The man just doesn't have much dirt on him so they resorted to tying him to the Clinton administration and indirectly to Monica-Gate. That won't hold water now. Instead, you would have a Nobel Prize winner running for President against a man who has painted himself as right wing, Bush lackey. Gore will tie McCain to Bush and that will score him a lot of points with independents, especially those who think Gore should've been president in 2000.

He has a lot of holes in his environmental armor.....and that being what he has stood for for the past 8 years.......those holes would get bigger in a presidential election. Polls are already showing that even though the US citizenry thinks the environment is important......its not important enough for them to pay for it in large amounts......the environment is his strength, and that is not enough of a strength to get you elected in this day and age. Most independents I know, myself included, are very much fiscal conservatives......and we tend to cringe when an environmentalist starts talking about spending our hard earned money......we are all for new energy sources......and here in Texas we are leading in many areas of that nature....thats fine and good........but Gore would have to be ready to answer any and all questions on how he's going to fund his love puppy........and I don't think he can do that.

[The Senator]

sigh...it is a shame the media wrote Edwards off with the likes of Dodd and Kucinich.

I'd take either of them, to be honest over either of the candidates we have. Though I doubt it will happen. The Democratic Party would have to actually, have, y'know, a set of balls to do something like that.

It's interesting though. You've got a fairly well-known Congressman who supports putting Gore at the top of the ticket, while Gore has been recently flirting with the press over the idea. He's been very coy. Unlike in the past, where's he's said "I'm not a candidate," he basically said "we'll see what happens" the other day. I don't know if he was secretly waiting for this, as most people couldn't have predicted the Democratic nomination would happen this way, but I bet he isn't opposed to the idea of being able to 'save' the Democratic Party, either.

If a few more scandalous tidbits emerge about Obama, I could see a scenario where the Democratic Party leaders open up a discussion with Gore. It's a wise idea now, considering both Obama and Clinton are being crushed by McCain in crucial states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and Michigan. I think Gore would have a fighting chance.

[Matt]

He has a lot of holes in his environmental armor.....and that being what he has stood for for the past 8 years.......those holes would get bigger in a presidential election. Polls are already showing that even though the US citizenry thinks the environment is important......its not important enough for them to pay for it in large amounts......the environment is his strength, and that is not enough of a strength to get you elected in this day and age. Most independents I know, myself included, are very much fiscal conservatives......and we tend to cringe when an environmentalist starts talking about spending our hard earned money.

Granted, there are holes...but I don't think McCain has it in him to exploit them. It would come off as desperate as all Gore would have to do is flash his Nobel Prize and idiots like Joe Q. Public would say "HE HAS A NOBEL PRIZE! MCCAIN'S A LIAR!"

I just don't think McCain's attacks will matter much in comparrison to Gore's movie and Nobel Prize in an age where a man with 2 years of experience in Congress can become the front runner for the nomination using buzz words like "hope" and "change" that really don't mean jack.

[Matt]

It's interesting though. You've got a fairly well-known Congressman who supports putting Gore at the top of the ticket, while Gore has been recently flirting with the press over the idea. He's been very coy. Unlike in the past, where's he's said "I'm not a candidate," he basically said "we'll see what happens" the other day. I don't know if he was secretly waiting for this, as most people couldn't have predicted the Democratic nomination would happen this way, but I bet he isn't opposed to the idea of being able to 'save' the Democratic Party, either.


I would love to see it...but...I dunno, it's just hard to envision. I wonder though, if Gore, like Warner, anticipated the Dems losing and was just waiting for 2012.


If a few more scandalous tidbits emerge about Obama, I could see a scenario where the Democratic Party leaders open up a discussion with Gore. It's a wise idea now, considering both Obama and Clinton are being crushed by McCain in crucial states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and Michigan. I think Gore would have a fighting chance.

It is possible. I doubt it though. I could not see Obama or Clinton accepting this in any way, shape, or form and I really don't think Democratic leaders will want the party split three ways. They'd have to get one of the two on as his running mate and I'm just not sure that either would.

Not to mention, more scandals surrounding Obama mean nothing so long as his zealots are willing to say "Hey, him attending church sermons for 20 years that had rhetoric similiar to Klan rallies means jack cause he didn't say it!"

[Kelly]

Granted, there are holes...but I don't think McCain has it in him to exploit them. It would come off as desperate as all Gore would have to do is flash his Nobel Prize and idiots like Joe Q. Public would say "HE HAS A NOBEL PRIZE! MCCAIN'S A LIAR!"

I just don't think McCain's attacks will matter much in comparrison to Gore's movie and Nobel Prize in an age where a man with 2 years of experience in Congress can become the front runner for the nomination using buzz words like "hope" and "change" that really don't mean jack.


Oh McCain wouldn't have to, he would simply need to put as his VP someone that is very strong in the economy, and continue his trips to show he is a leader in foreign policy, and let the independent groups tear Gore apart on his biggest strength.

[Captain Planet!]

Al Gore REALLY needs to run for president. He would win no problem.

[Matt]

Oh McCain wouldn't have to, he would simply need to put as his VP someone that is very strong in the economy, and continue his trips to show he is a leader in foreign policy, and let the independent groups tear Gore apart on his biggest strength.

I think Gore working with world leaders on the enviroment will show that he is more than capable of handling foreign policies. Now if Obama and Clinton both get shut out and Gore is free to choose his own running mate, he is the one man I could actually see Bloomberg joining up with. Bloomberg and Gore have been getting really buddy-buddy over Gore's enviromental work and having Bloomberg as your running mate trumps basically any person in American politics today when it comes to economics.

[Matt]

Al Gore REALLY needs to run for president. He would win no problem.

The only problem is, so many great Futurama jokes would be ruined by Gore having become President. :csad:

[Kelly]

I think Gore working with world leaders on the enviroment will show that he is more than capable of handling foreign policies. Now if Obama and Clinton both get shut out and Gore is free to choose his own running mate, he is the one man I could actually see Bloomberg joining up with. Bloomberg and Gore have been getting really buddy-buddy over Gore's enviromental work and having Bloomberg as your running mate trumps basically any person in American politics today when it comes to economics.


Hey you give me a Gore/Bloomberg ticket, and I'll get past how Gore turns my stomach with his false, mannequin demeanor.....

As far as world leaders and the environment. World leaders in the environment understand Kyoto.........American voters don't know jack**** about it....and bringing it up in your campaign will just put voters to sleep.

[Captain Planet!]

The only problem is, so many great Futurama jokes would be ruined by Gore having become President. :csad:
It is a sacrifice that must be made. :(

[Matt]

Hey you give me a Gore/Bloomberg ticket, and I'll get past how Gore turns my stomach with his false, mannequin demeanor.....

As far as world leaders and the environment. World leaders in the environment understand Kyoto.........American voters don't know jack**** about it....and bringing it up in your campaign will just put voters to sleep.

They don't need to understand it. Gore's Nobel Prize and movie gives him automatic credibility. Anything he says, the sheep will eat up.

[Kelly]

They don't need to understand it. Gore's Nobel Prize and movie gives him automatic credibility. Anything he says, the sheep will eat up.

With the unintelligent voter, I would agree.........and as you call them "sheep".....thing is....those voters talk a good talk, and then don't show up in the end.

Educational peeps that I run with, laugh at the Nobel Prize, BUT praise him for bringing the environmental issue to the forefront like he has done. Not enough for them to vote for him.

AGAIN, his Nobel Prize will speak to the world, but not to American voters.....who vote.


disclaimer: all of which is my humble opinion....:cwink:

[Marx]

Al Gore REALLY needs to run for president. He would win no problem.

The only problem is, so many great Futurama jokes would be ruined by Gore having become President. :csad:

It is a sacrifice that must be made. :(

I'm a die-hard DRAFT GORE supporter - I admit that right here! I truly believe that he could come out of the convention as the nominee if a deal cannot be reached. You want to talk poetic justice? That would be great :yay:

[The Senator]

Al Gore really should have run from the get-go. He'd pretty much knock Obama off the "I'm not Hillary, vote for me!" pedestal he's been sitting on throughout this campaign. Not only that, but people would look at him and think, "this man served alongside her husband... why is he running?" which would probably give him a lot more credibility in the eyes of Democratic voters. Had he announced shortly after winning the Oscar last year, I think he would have been propelled to instant frontrunner/ runner-up status. The Nobel Peace prize would have catapulted him to the front of the pack, and he would have ridden that into Iowa and the rest of the primaries.

Not to mention he was my fourth choice for President... of the four who never ran...

But alas, it wasn't to be :csad:

[Marx]

Al Gore really should have run from the get-go. He'd pretty much knock Obama off the "I'm not Hillary, vote for me!" pedestal he's been sitting on throughout this campaign. Not only that, but people would look at him and think, "this man served alongside her husband... why is he running?" which would probably give him a lot more credibility in the eyes of Democratic voters. Had he announced shortly after winning the Oscar last year, I think he would have been propelled to instant frontrunner/ runner-up status. The Nobel Peace prize would have catapulted him to the front of the pack, and he would have ridden that into Iowa and the rest of the primaries.

Not to mention he was my fourth choice for President... of the four who never ran...

But alas, it wasn't to be :csad:

I'm still going to keep my fingers crossed :cwink:

[Malice]

I dont Gore would have a chance. I think even talking about him getting involved is pointless, I dont think he even wants to be involved.

[StorminNorman]

Al Gore's electricity bill goes through the (insulated) roof

By Tom Leonard in New York
Last updated: 8:22 PM BST 18/06/2008
Environment campaigner Al Gore is using more electricity than ever despite pledging to cut consumption more than a year ago, a libertarian research group claims.



According to the Tennessee Centre for Policy Research, the annual electricity usage at the former US Vice President's large home in Nashville has risen by 10 per cent.
Mr Gore's environmental activism inspired the Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth.
But the TCPR branded him a "hypocrite" in February 2007 after discovering that his eight-bathroom house in the Tennessee city consumed nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours of electricity in the previous year – more than 20 times the national average.
Mr Gore responded by saying that he was in the process of giving the house a major energy-efficient makeover, fitting solar panels, low energy lightbulbs, and a geothermal heating and cooling system.
However, the TPCR has got hold of his electricity bill again, this time comparing electricity consumption between the 12 months before June 2007, when it says he installed his new technology, and the year since then.
It says the figures show the Gore residence uses an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations.
By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.
Drew Johnson, the TCPR's president, said: "A man's commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home."
A spokesman for Mr Gore disputed the claims, saying his total utility bills had gone down by 40 per cent since the "green" refit, much of that down to the new heating system.
Explaining the electricity consumption, she said the three-year renovation of the house wasn't finished until November so it was too early to draw a before-and-after comparison.
She also stressed that the Gores participate in a local "green power switch" programme which allows them to buy electricity from renewable resources such as wind power and methane gas.

Story from Telegraph News:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2153179/Al-Gore%27s-electricity-bill-goes-through-the-%28insulated%29-roof.html

[souvlaki]

a.) Al Gore's house is also four times larger than your average household.

b.) His house is basically a small business, with several employees working on the grounds.

c.) Let's just assume he is a hypocrite for a second. Fine, he's a hypocrite. Who cares, it doesn't make what he's saying any less true. If a murderer said "killing people is wrong" while he was in the process of murdering someone would you say, "wow, what a jerk. I'm not listening to that guy."

[The Senator]

Hypocrite? Yes.

Does it belittle the work he's done to protect the environment and increase awareness of global warming? Not one bit.

[StorminNorman]

a.) Al Gore's house is also four times larger than your average household.

b.) His house is basically a small business, with several employees working on the grounds.

c.) Let's just assume he is a hypocrite for a second. Fine, he's a hypocrite. Who cares, it doesn't make what he's saying any less true. If a murderer said "killing people is wrong" while he was in the process of murdering someone would you say, "wow, what a jerk. I'm not listening to that guy."

His electricity usage went UP 10% over the last year. I don't believe he went out and got a 10% larger house.

You could power 55 average American houses with the power Gore used. Thats ridiculous and irresponsible.

Its important because he is the figure head of his movement. He is the one getting awards and Noble Peace Prizes. He is a hypocrite and a phony.

I am not using this thread as a way to bash his Global Warming little movement - I will allow far more qualified men do that. I am simply calling out one of the biggest con men in American politics.

[The Chairman]

I am not using this thread as a way to bash his Global Warming little movement - I will allow far more qualified men do that. I am simply calling out one of the biggest con men in American politics.

Bigger than the man who conned us into some ******** oil war and 4,000+ troops killed for a nonsense reason.

[StorminNorman]

Bigger than the man who conned us into some ******** oil war and 4,000+ troops killed for a nonsense reason.

I am sad to see you have become one of those people, ANTHONY. :down

[The Chairman]

I am sad to see you have become one of those people, ANTHONI. :down

I've always been one of those people.

This is the first itme I've been vocal about it.

And my name ends in a "Y."

[Kelly]

I see most of what he has in his video, and lecture tour as embellished. BUT, I respect the fact that he has indeed has brought the topic of the environment into the neighborhood pub, the family dining table, and the classroom. I respect him for that. Does he need to work on his own carbon footprint? YES. We all do.

[Marx]

And this couldn't have gone into the Al Gore thread because... :huh:

[StorminNorman]

And this couldn't have gone into the Al Gore thread because... :huh:

Because "Al Gore: Hypocrite" just rings off the tongue.

Also, I did not know it existed.

[Marx]

Because "Al Gore: Hypocrite" just rings off the tongue.

Also, I did not know it existed.

Oh, it exists my friend. I created it! :cwink:

[Marx]

*bump*

...for Norm's "Al Gore: hypocrit" thread.

[Mr Sparkle]

His electricity usage went UP 10% over the last year. I don't believe he went out and got a 10% larger house.

You could power 55 average American houses with the power Gore used. Thats ridiculous and irresponsible.

Its important because he is the figure head of his movement. He is the one getting awards and Noble Peace Prizes. He is a hypocrite and a phony.

I am not using this thread as a way to bash his Global Warming little movement - I will allow far more qualified men do that. I am simply calling out one of the biggest con men in American politics.

:huh: con men?
why would you call him that, I mean, unless you're willing to call each and every politician, including both McCain and Bush "con men" you are a bit mistaken.

he owns a large house, so comparing his use of electricity to the "average American home" is either maliciously misdirecting information or simply and foolishly wrong.
plus, add to that the fact that he runs a business from said home.
when I am shown figures of similar homes and their "foot prints" I will call him a hypocrite, in the mean time, I think that since, no one so far has died because of Gore's claim, you should do a thread on that one guy that says he is the "war president" and paints everyone who disagrees with him as "anti American" and yet never even served in Vietnam.

I mean, to me, THAT is a hypocrite.

[StorminNorman]

:huh: con men?
why would you call him that, I mean, unless you're willing to call each and every politician, including both McCain and Bush "con men" you are a bit mistaken.

he owns a large house, so comparing his use of electricity to the "average American home" is either maliciously misdirecting information or simply and foolishly wrong.
plus, add to that the fact that he runs a business from said home.

I did not simply compare his usage to an average American home - I compared his usage to 55 American homes. His house is about 4 times the size of a normal home - if he used 4 times the energy or hell - 16 times the normal amount of energy. 55 times more is not only ridiculous - its irresponsible, leading advocate for green house gas reduction or not.

when I am shown figures of similar homes and their "foot prints" I will call him a hypocrite, in the mean time, I think that since, no one so far has died because of Gore's claim, you should do a thread on that one guy that says he is the "war president" and paints everyone who disagrees with him as "anti American" and yet never even served in Vietnam.

I mean, to me, THAT is a hypocrite.

If you want to compare Al Gore's home to, say, George W. Bush's you will find Bush's home to be far more eco-friendly.

Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
March 01, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - George Bush may be a nemesis of the global green movement and Al Gore its hero, but the president's home is arguably far more environmentally-friendly than the home of the man he defeated in the 2000 election.

Bush's "Western White House" in Crawford, Texas, has been praised as "an eco-friendly haven" while the former vice-president's home in Nashville, Tennessee was criticized this week for heavy power consumption.

"In politics, people don't always practice what they preach," Marlo Lewis, Jr., a senior fellow at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), told Cybercast News Service on Wednesday.

Bush has been criticized harshly by environmentalists for his opposition to the Kyoto Protocol and its mandatory cuts on emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for global warming.

By contrast, Gore on Sunday won an Academy Award (http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Archive/200702/POL20070226b.html) for his documentary focusing on the impact of climate change. He recently announced a series of music concerts on seven continents in July to drew further attention to the cause.

"It's interesting that Bush seems to actually practice conservation, while Gore seems to want to buy his way out of his obligations," said Lewis, referring to the purchase of offsets for carbon emissions attributed to the high power use in Gore's 20-room mansion.

An April 2001 article in USA Today described the president's 4,000-square-foot single-story limestone house in Crawford as an "eco-friendly haven."

"Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into purifying tanks underground -- one tank for water from showers and bathroom sinks, which is so-called 'gray water,' and one tank for 'black water' from the kitchen sink and toilets," it said. "The purified water is funneled to the cistern with the rainwater."

In addition, "the Bushes installed a geothermal heating and cooling system, which uses about 25 percent of the electricity that traditional heating and air-conditioning systems consume."

As Cybercast News Service reported earlier (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200702/CUL20070227c.html), the Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) charged on Monday that Gore's mansion in Nashville "consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year."

"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said TCPR President Drew Johnson.

David Roberts, staff writer for the online environmental magazine Grist, Wednesday criticized the analysis by the TCPR, which he described as an "attack group from Tennessee."

The center's report had been "thrown together purely for the purpose of attacking Al Gore after the Oscars," Roberts told Cybercast News Service.

It was unfair, he said, to compare Gore's electrical consumption to the national average, which "includes apartments and trailer homes and is an average across all climatic zones, some of which are quite temperate."

Gore and his wife, Tipper, "both work out of their house" and "have special security measures for an ex-vice president, all of which naturally increases the electricity use in the home," Roberts added.

Moreover, Gore "pays almost a 50 percent premium to buy the 'green power' offered from his electrical company," which generates its voltage from hydroelectric and nuclear power rather than coal, he said.

"If every national leader did as much as Al Gore does to ameliorate their impact on the climate, the world would be a much better place."

Nevertheless, Roberts conceded that the energy efficiency of the president's home in Crawford is "fantastic."

"I wish that George Bush would back public policy that is in line with what he does on his ranch," he said.

'Elitist'

Johnson of the TCPR defended his group's report against criticism from Gore's supporters.

He acknowledged that the information was obtained from the National Electric Service the day after Gore won his Oscar, but argued that "it is fair to compare Gore's [energy] use to what most Americans are used to."

"All of the niceties he may have and all the extra people he may have running in and out of his house still shouldn't mean that the person leading this environmental charge should have 20 times the electrical consumption of the average American," Johnson charged.

The CEI's Lewis said the disparity between Gore's message on global warming and his power consumption reflected an "elitist mentality."

"The average soccer mom can't afford to plant trees in the rainforest in order to remain carbon neutral," he said.

"All these jet-setters' lives consist of going to conferences in other countries by burning jet fuel and staying in posh hotels where they keep the lights on all day and so on in order to tut-tut about how wasteful the rest of us are in our use of energy," he stated.

"They always make an exception for themselves because what they're doing is so important."


I call Gore a "con man" because he wants Americans to inconvenience themselves by changing their life style, wants Americans to spend money becoming more green friendly and wants corporations to pay for "carbon credits" when he himself is not making those same sacrifices.

Also - if you could provide me anything where Bush tried to paint those who disagreed with HIM to be un-American or un-Patriotic, I would love to see it.

[Spider-Bite]

Al Gore lives a carbon neutral lifestyle. He spends his own money to offset everything he does.

How does that make him a hypocrite?

And even if he didn't, it still wouldn't make him a hypocrite. He's saying something needs to be done, and something does. That doesn't make him a hypocrite. Al Gore could go live in the mountain without any technology, and not using any gas or electricity that would have no effect on the planet at all.

The truth is that real change will only come from energy efficency mandates handed down by the government, and investments in alternative energy.

[Spider-Bite]

I did not simply compare his usage to an average American home - I compared his usage to 55 American homes. His house is about 4 times the size of a normal home - if he used 4 times the energy or hell - 16 times the normal amount of energy. 55 times more is not only ridiculous - its irresponsible, leading advocate for green house gas reduction or not.





He produces several times the amount of electricity that he uses, with solar panels.

Con man? No he's simply being slandered by idiots and liars.

Republicans can't win the energy or the climate debate, so they quick go "look Al Gore has a light on, see democrats are the real culprits behind globabl warming, which we claim doesn't exist"

[Spider-Bite]

Gore defends his carbon credentials

Group skeptical of global warming notes his home is big energy user

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Following criticism by a conservative group of Al Gore's large home energy consumption, a Gore spokeswoman defended the former vice president's lifestyle, saying he invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption.
On Sunday, Gore's documentary film "An Inconvenient Truth," which chronicled his campaign against global warming, won an Academy Award.
The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research issued a statement saying Gore was not doing enough to reduce his own electricity consumption, and hence emissions of carbon dioxide. The group disputes that global warming is a serious problem.

"We wanted to see if he was living by his own recommendations and walking the walk," said think tank president Drew Johnson.
Utility records show the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home.
The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press. The typical Nashville household uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year.
The group said that Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.
But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information.

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Lovitt: Travel companies tackle global warming (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16873821/)


Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said that "sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger."
Kreider said Gore purchases enough energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs.
Gore, who also owns a home in the Washington area, has said he leads a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To balance out other carbon emissions, the Gores invest money in projects to reduce energy consumption, Kreider said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17382210/?GT1=9033

[Matt]

I dunno, sounds kinda like BS. I mean, (warning, horrible analogy coming up) isn't that like a rapist saying "Sure, I rape women, but I donate enough money to rape support groups that it balances out." It seems to me that Gore's defense is "Do as I say, not as I do." It doesn't invalidate his message, but it does sort of make him a hypocrite.

[Franklin Richards]

You can't fix a systemic problem by turning the lights out one night a year.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Matt]

Al Gore lives a carbon neutral lifestyle. He spends his own money to offset everything he does.

How does that make him a hypocrite?

And even if he didn't, it still wouldn't make him a hypocrite. He's saying something needs to be done, and something does. That doesn't make him a hypocrite. Al Gore could go live in the mountain without any technology, and not using any gas or electricity that would have no effect on the planet at all.

The truth is that real change will only come from energy efficency mandates handed down by the government, and investments in alternative energy.

When you say one thing and do another, you are by the very definition of the word, a hypocrite. I like Gore a lot, but come on man, there is clearly at least a bit of hypocrisy in this.

[zenile]

His electricity usage went UP 10% over the last year. I don't believe he went out and got a 10% larger house.

You could power 55 average American houses with the power Gore used. Thats ridiculous and irresponsible.

Its important because he is the figure head of his movement. He is the one getting awards and Noble Peace Prizes. He is a hypocrite and a phony.

I am not using this thread as a way to bash his Global Warming little movement - I will allow far more qualified men do that. I am simply calling out one of the biggest con men in American politics.

He had contractors at his house for most of the year making his house more environmentally friendly. If you've never owned a home, let me tell you keeping your house cool while contractors are in and out all day is not easy. This story doesn't paint a fair picture :down

[The Senator]

When you say one thing and do another, you are by the very definition of the word, a hypocrite. I like Gore a lot, but come on man, there is clearly at least a bit of hypocrisy in this.


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