Siegel & Shuster vs WB: Superman and Infinite Crisis

[\S/JcDc\S/]

*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."




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Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please :rolleyes: ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

[Showtime]

So we're looking at Brainiac and President Lex here?

[thedarks0ldier]

*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."




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Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please :rolleyes: ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

Meditate on this I will

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So we're looking at Brainiac and President Lex here?


100% yes. That is where Dan wants to go with it.

[Showtime]

Now for the big question...how would you have gotten this type of info.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Do you know a poster named Paradoxium? Most here do. No he's not the source... But he's a respected member than can vouch I'm in contact with someone I'm obviously not going to give up on an internet mb. If it makes you feel better as far as the authenticity of this info... Just ask him about the guy who dropped Bale/Batman info long ago through me. You'll feel better :)

[lexlives]

Now for the big question...how would you have gotten this type of info.


Good point since Harris (or was it D) said they were still throwing ideas around with Singer.

I heard enough of these rumors last time to last a lifetime. Sorry, I am from Oklahoma on this one - heck I still would bet against a sequel going forward in the end. But nice try - it will stir up debate but mostly seems like an effort to get hopes up. Do you work for Singer BTW? Or WBl Talk about spin.

[lexlives]

Do you know a poster named Paradoxium? Most here do. No he's not the source... But he's a respected member than can vouch I'm in contact with someone I'm obviously not going to give up on an internet mb. If it makes you feel better as far as the authenticity of this info... Just ask him about the guy who dropped Bale/Batman info long ago through me. You'll feel better :)


The interesting thing was that if this were true it would be a defacto acknowledgement of sorts that SR did not work. Taking Lex where you rumor is a total abandoment of SR's Lex. An admission it did not work. Don't think Singer and company have it in them to be so forthcoming. JMHO.

The only way they would budge is if WB stepped in and forced it - something WB should have done in April of 2005.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I know the risk of backlash at what appears to be a rumor filled time period (been gone a while so catching up a bit)

It's your right to choose not to believe. Many may want to flame a guy claiming info and posting it on a mb. That's understandable.

By same token however I will tell you what I believe.

This is fact.

Not backing down, off, or any other direction. Harris wants this direction and eludes to Dougherty having the same inclination.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

The interesting thing was tha if this were true it would be a defacto ackmoledgement of sorts that SR did not work. Tahing Lex where you rumor is a total abandoment of SR's Lex. An admission it did not work.


I don't think so.

I think this is a way to get a corporate Lex through politics. How would Lex get public opinion in his favor though? That's what I ask. Blame NK on Superman? Make people turn on Supes? Or find new technology through Brainiac which he can use to better serve mankind changing the global opinion of him. Mirror Lex with Bush a bit? I dunno. I doubt they'd get that political in a Supes movie.

Just thinking randomly

[lexlives]

I don't think so.

I think this is a way to get a corporate Lex through politics. How would Lex get public opinion in his favor though? That's what I ask. Blame NK on Superman? Make people turn on Supes? Or find new technology through Brainiac which he can use to better serve mankind changing the global opinion of him. Mirror Lex with Bush a bit? I dunno. I doubt they'd get that political in a Supes movie.

Just thinking randomlyDisagree, This would be a total 180 from the Donner/SR Lex. I just don't beleive Singer is going to make any serious changes short of more action. Unless WB is leaning on him. The fans - he apparently could give a fig about any of their wishes.

If Singer wanted a corporate Lex he would have done it in the first film - no need for another convoluted story of from here to there as we got in SR.

Case you can't tell I am not a fan of Singer, SR, WB, Routh or Bosworth and absolutely hope this potential sequel never sees the light of day.

Just being upfront as you are new to posting here.

[batman44]

Sounds very interesting.

[chaseter]

Good point since Harris (or was it D) said they were still throwing ideas around with Singer.

I heard enough of these rumors last time to last a lifetime. Sorry, I am from Oklahoma on this one - heck I still would bet against a sequel going forward in the end. But nice try - it will stir up debate but mostly seems like an effort to get hopes up. Do you work for Singer BTW? Or WBl Talk about spin.

A sequel will happen. They are all signed on for 3 no matter what. More than likely, WB is going to jump on that and make more movies...the sequel will happen.

[Brainiac 2009]

Actually way before SR even came out, the writers said they were setting up Spacey's Lex to be 50% mad scientist, 50% politician (I believe this was the moviehole interview).

This direction for Lex may be planned from the getgo. I'm not sure he'll be President Lex per say, but he may become a powerful figure that tries to turn the public against Superman (perhaps erases evidence of his involvement with New Krypton and blames Superman for its creation) etc

I have a feeling Brainiac will be tied to Krypton and Superman's journey there in SR.

[KaptainKrypton]

The tidbit about SR that keeps resonating is that Luthor still has access to the Vandeworth fortune even though he's still stranded on that island. All he has to do is get back to the mainland as all the evidence involving Lex was pretty much dumped into space by Supes. He was never ID'd by the authorities, so it's another case of Superman's word against his (also including Lois' word), which initially I didn't understand the motivation behind, but it does leave Lex open to do more things with regards to money and power in a return effort should they go that route this time around. How outlandish would it sound in court for Superman to say something like: "There. That's the guy. He's the one with the continent and stuff. Take him away, boys." I wouldn't mind either the President Lex-type of story or if he just sunk some money into defaming Superman and created counter-alien technology to begin screwing with him that way. Either way, no matter how they choose to use Lex, the important thing is that he's still in the clear.

[buggs0268]

So Lois knows that Lex created New Krypton, she lives and tells the world that all the damage was caused by him and that he was trying to destroy most of the continents...AND AMERICAN'S VOTES HIM PRESIDENT!? Oh my god these guys have got to go. If this happens the critics and people will rip this sequel apart. I guess the White House goes to Osama Bin Ladden in 2008.

[dude love]

How much crap did he get in trouble for in the comics before being voted president?

Besides, LexCorp works just as well. Luthor is a public figure with power, just in the vein of Bruce Wayne rather than a smarter G.W. Bush.

[BH/HHH]

Sounds very Brainiac and President Lexor Lexcorp, either way I love it :D

[The Joker]

I want to believe this rumor so much that I think I will till (if) it's proven otherwise :o

[dark_b]

\S/JcDc\S/ i read some of your posts. and i dont think that you are that kind of guy who would come on this board after this time and make this up. i belive you that this is 100% what they are talking now. of course until 2009 this can all cahnge. after all we are talking about singer who changed the main story of the movie.

[dark_b]

So Lois knows that Lex created New Krypton, she lives and tells the world that all the damage was caused by him and that he was trying to destroy most of the continents...AND AMERICAN'S VOTES HIM PRESIDENT!? Oh my god these guys have got to go. If this happens the critics and people will rip this sequel apart. I guess the White House goes to Osama Bin Ladden in 2008.well i am not a smart guy and i dont know how those reporters work. but isnt lois a good reporter? are you now gonna tell me that a good reporter would writte an article that she was on lex's yacht and that he was the one who created this island? and people would belive this? i thought that reporters are working with facts and need to have something to back up.

as i saw lex in sr did nothing in public to go to jail. so he is a free man. and that is what i like. lex can say when he comes back to metropolis f... you superman.

[TheBat812]

Buggs just wants to *****. you would have thought that this news of getting it more towards the better characterizations would please him. But of course not.

[Kebab gud]

dammit .. and i wanted darkseid with a brainiac cliffhanger...

[Kid_Kaos]

Yeah right, Lex goes from retard to genius from one to the next movie. Very believeable! :whatever:

What's next? Superman acting like an adult? Bosworth acting like Lois? The stupidity in the story replaced with logic?

Newsflash >>> TOO LATE FOR THAT!

They have to continue with the universe set up in the first movie. Otherwise they loose the people who liked the first one and have to establish a new fanbase, again. They might as well just restart the damn thing! :o

[Brainiac 2009]

So Lois knows that Lex created New Krypton, she lives and tells the world that all the damage was caused by him and that he was trying to destroy most of the continents...AND AMERICAN'S VOTES HIM PRESIDENT!? Oh my god these guys have got to go. If this happens the critics and people will rip this sequel apart. I guess the White House goes to Osama Bin Ladden in 2008.

Its really the word of Lois and Superman against Lex.

Lex is a far better manipulator of peoples opinions than Superman and Lois could be.

Besides I'm hoping that this Brainiac crisis forces Superman and Lex to work together to save the world. If America believes that Lex Luthor saved the world here, their more inclinded to be sympathetic towards him. Thats what basically happened in the comics.

He was already legally pardoned of his past crimes also prior to SR and may have made a public as a 'changed man' (which is also why the DP has no real interest in him anymore).

I really dont care about the Presidency but I want to see him perhaps be offered the chance to run for US Senate after building up a strong name with the people by the end of this film. It could lead into some great Superman VS the Govt possibilities, and would Superman use his power to overthrow the American Govt if he thought it was corrupt... also a good start for Cadmus to come into play.

[Brainiac 2009]

dammit .. and i wanted darkseid with a brainiac cliffhanger...

You may get Brainiac with a Darkseid lead-in to the third one, who knows.

[The Batman]

wow.

After whining a *****ing about getting coporate lex and a villain, it seems we're getting those things....and some of you still find reason to whine and complain.

[Brainiac 2009]

well i am not a smart guy and i dont know how those reporters work. but isnt lois a good reporter? are you now gonna tell me that a good reporter would writte an article that she was on lex's yacht and that he was the one who created this island? and people would belive this? i thought that reporters are working with facts and need to have something to back up.

as i saw lex in sr did nothing in public to go to jail. so he is a free man. and that is what i like. lex can say when he comes back to metropolis f... you superman.


We dont even know if she wrote an article about the experience, they could easily write that she didnt.

One important fact is Lex knows that Jason is Superman's son, a dangerous fact that could put Jason in danger if he reveals it. Her and Richard may have known from the start and kept it a secret to protect him. It may be understandable why she wouldnt want to expose Lex under these circumtances, especially if he becomes a public figure who could easily reveal this truth.


As far as the New Krypton incident, upon investigation it was Kryptonian technology that did the damage; Superman's Kryptonian technology. It does look pretty convincing that this could have been Superman's fault if Lex manipulates it that way to the public.

If this is the case, I'm hoping they name the sequel Superman: Man of Tomorrow (so "Man of Tomorrow" could refer to Supes or Lex)

[GreenKToo]

me likes...:D

[bosef982]

Disagree, This would be a total 180 from the Donner/SR Lex. I just don't beleive Singer is going to make any serious changes short of more action. Unless WB is leaning on him. The fans - he apparently could give a fig about any of their wishes.

If Singer wanted a corporate Lex he would have done it in the first film - no need for another convoluted story of from here to there as we got in SR.

Case you can't tell I am not a fan of Singer, SR, WB, Routh or Bosworth and absolutely hope this potential sequel never sees the light of day.

Just being upfront as you are new to posting here.


Couple of things:

1) JCDS is not a "new" poster here, look at his post count.,
2) Nothing Singer can do is good for you, so you're opinion is pretty much moot. If Singer listens to the fans, then he's acknowledging SR's alleged failure???? How can he win? You just want him to fail, basically. If Singer reconstructs a new version, it's because he wanted to do that version now, to push it further, incorporate new elements -- this is by no means an anckowledgement of failure. Just changing the area.
3) Other than, "he won't" you provide NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that Singer or WB are in any of the positions, considerations, or situations you spout about them being in. Youre "HMO" can either be educated, or uneducated...in this case, your opinion is woefully uneducated and based more on personal agendas and bias, then reality and level-headedness.

You understand that you are a laughing joke on these boards? You're blind fanatacism to some idealistic, non-existent version of Superman makes most people groan. Step back and look how people respond to you, outside of the other one or two fanatics here. And don't jump on the "Singer-lover" bandwagon. Posters on here have seen me critic many of Singer's decisions in this film. I'm not even calling you an SR-hater, I think it goes beyond that...you're just a hater in general, someone who's going to troll these boards showing an unreasonable, unsatiable amount of self-assigned arrogance and conciet over the property of Superman and tries to hide it as much by pretending that your knowledge of all things Super and Future are somehow divined from some intellectual experience that we are not privy to...it's a load of bull**** and its just wearisome.

This is why you got banned from Bluetights. Not because you hated SR, but because you were so unreasonable in your hatred of it.

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL SR did well in the HV market, The WB is really pleased, Singer signed the deal, the writers are writing the script and the fans are debating about the sequel. Only LexLives thinks that there will not be a sequel. :whatever:
It's not a novelty, rtalking about SR he wrote "the movie has yet to be greenlited" in May 2005. :woot:

[Ita-KalEl]

Thank you \S/JcDc\S/, great thread :)
It sounds great.

[GreenKToo]

^ ha, you are correct Ita. A few months ago I wrote my personal idea, and wish for the sequel. I had brainiac as the main villain, and Lex blaming supes for N.K., and Lex running for president. I never NEVER in my wildest dreams thought singer would go that route. I'll be happy as punch if it turns out correct even if it is a coincidence.:D

[Super Kal]

I don't think he is going to be president, like everyone thinks... I believe that Lex instead will become the multimillionaire business Lex, because even though it's Business Lex, you can still have a large control of politics through an enormous technologically advanced business like LexCorp... ESPECIALLY after he tricks Brainiac into giving him while he wants and them backstabbing Brainiac by helping Superman destroy his only technological competition...

of course, these are all just thoughts...

[GreenKToo]

He has been here a looong time, and I would trust his info before just about anyone else's here. If he's wrong, its his source that was incorrect, not him.

[Showtime]

Whether it's President, Senator, Mayor, or Business Tycoon, this is the right direction to go. I was hoping that Superman would be faced with a Lex high up in public office upon his return...in Returns.

Bringing in Brainiac also sets up a showdowns with Superman and Lex. This is very good news.

[Brainiac 2009]

second of all, I don't think he is going to be president, like everyone thinks... I believe that Lex instead will become the multimillionaire business Lex, because even though it's Business Lex, you can still have a large control of politics through an enormous technologically advanced business like LexCorp... ESPECIALLY after he tricks Brainiac into giving him while he wants and them backstabbing Brainiac by helping Superman destroy his only technological competition...

of course, these are all just thoughts...

I agree

Lets call him "Corperate Lex" instead, seems more fitting.

The president thing seems unlikely. I wasnt a fan of it in the comics either and I'm glad the JLU guys avoiding him actually becoming president.

But I'd be down with "Corperate Lex"

[GreenKToo]

I think maybe senator, or even mayor of metropolis would suffice.

[Showtime]

I had a little treatment of a Batman vs Superman script and in it Lex was running for mayor. It could work, but I like coporate Lex better.

[Super Kal]

if this is true, I'm very glad that they're going this route... I'm starting to feel better about the sequel.

[Showtime]

It was a given on Brainiac from the get go, this is not a suprise, but I am happy that we are going to get Coporate Lex. This is just another example of Returns being the funeral for Donner's Universe.

[GreenKToo]

Politics is a shrewd game, a senator for example has more power than a corporate head, even though the actual job title itself pays less. The fringe benefits more than make up for it. ;) EDIT: the part about Lex being in a new house just screams president to me, I dont see anyway around it.

[Showtime]

I agree, that tidbit seems to point to Lex becoming President, or it could mean living on the top floor of Luthor Corp. I hope it doesn't mean the sewer penthouse again.

[GreenKToo]

haha, me either. that would suck big time.

[Brainiac 2009]

I agree, that tidbit seems to point to Lex becoming President, or it could mean living on the top floor of Luthor Corp. I hope it doesn't mean the sewer penthouse again.

It technically wouldnt be a "new house" if it was his old sewer penthouse again.

[Showtime]

If you want to get technical, it's a different home than the Vanderworth Mansion, so it could be considered new. I was refering to a new sewer hideout anyway, not the former.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

not to sure if he can jump that quickly..but with the money from that old lady..he has the money to run for president..

interesting this is.

[Brainiac 2009]

Its probably just Lex moving into the Fortress with Superman as his landlord.

Hilarity ensues.

[Showtime]

Sounds like the Batman television show...

[Hunter Rider]

President Lex would be great to see:up:

[GreenKToo]

ya, it would be awesome. Lex would finally get the treatment he deserves on the big screen.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

yet the fans will cry and say that superman is still moaping over lois the suit isn't right..Brandon isn't big enough..

;)

[GreenKToo]

ya know, I find it amazing that some fans who were comlaining about not getting a proper C.B. version of supes, are now complaining that the sequel will stray to far away from S.R... I dont get it.:huh: anyway, i'll be extremely happy if this turns out correct.yet the fans will cry and say that superman is still moaping over lois the suit isn't right..Brandon isn't big enough..

;)

[Super Kal]

ya know, I find it amazing that some fans who were comlaining about not getting a proper C.B. version of supes, are now complaining that the sequel will stray to far away from S.R... I dont get it.:huh: anyway, i'll be extremely happy if this turns out correct.
I haven't seen that yet...

[Super-Bats]

hmm....sounds interesting.....but I don't think they'll do President Lex....probably just corporate Lex.......and Braniac.......

[GreenKToo]

1st page, nearly at the bottom.I haven't seen that yet...

[Showtime]

I haven't seen that yet...

It's already started Kak...right in this thread.

[Super Kal]

1st page, nearly at the bottom.
well, Buggs has always been a extreme supporter of the comic book and Donner vision... my guess is that he never did like the President Lex, as some other people don't either... he's not complaining about it not being SR-esque, he just doesn't like President Lex... and I don't either.

[Showtime]

Disagree, This would be a total 180 from the Donner/SR Lex. I just don't beleive Singer is going to make any serious changes short of more action. Unless WB is leaning on him. The fans - he apparently could give a fig about any of their wishes.

If Singer wanted a corporate Lex he would have done it in the first film - no need for another convoluted story of from here to there as we got in SR.



KAK..

[Showtime]

The interesting thing was that if this were true it would be a defacto acknowledgement of sorts that SR did not work. Taking Lex where you rumor is a total abandoment of SR's Lex. An admission it did not work. Don't think Singer and company have it in them to be so forthcoming. JMHO.

The only way they would budge is if WB stepped in and forced it - something WB should have done in April of 2005.

Kak...

[Super Kal]

Kak...
what?

Disagree, This would be a total 180 from the Donner/SR Lex. I just don't beleive Singer is going to make any serious changes short of more action. Unless WB is leaning on him. The fans - he apparently could give a fig about any of their wishes.



If Singer wanted a corporate Lex he would have done it in the first film - no need for another convoluted story of from here to there as we got in SR.



KAK..
I'm not saying start him out immediately as corporate Lex, gradually bring him into it... people change their minds all the time...

[Showtime]

Another example of complaining about the new direction of Lex, you are saying you haven't seen it...it's there.

[Super Kal]

edit

[Showtime]

That's Lexlives..not Buggs.

[Super Kal]

That's Lexlives..not Buggs.
oh yeah... well my point still stands...

LexLives has NEVER supported SR in the least, so I expect that from him...


and who's to say Luthor can't change his mind on how he wants to control the world? I think introducing him in the business side of the world is perfect, since he will now have the money to fund his schemes, but I don't see him being in the business in this particular sequel... my guess is that they going to build Lex up on this sequel and then in the third film, we then see him as the Corporate Lex.

[Showtime]

oh yeah... well my point still stands...

LexLives has NEVER supported SR in the least, so I expect that from him...

:oldrazz:

That is the point...people that complained about SR, but do not like a new direction for the characters.

People who complain...just to complain.

[Hunter Rider]

I wonder if they might give Lex an armoured chopper that fires kryptonite missiles in this one:ninja:

[Brainiac 2009]

That'd be cool but after Superman pwnd a Kryptonite continent.... I think Kryptonite would be pretty redundant as a plot device again.

[Showtime]

I wonder if they might give Lex an armoured chopper that fires kryptonite missiles in this one:ninja:

Gosh I hope not...:dry:

[Hunter Rider]

Gosh I hope not...:dry:

Don't be Hatin':cmad:

[Matt]

Can Lex be president? Doesn't he have a record in the continuity. I'm pretty sure convicted felons can not be president.

[ervann]

I wonder if the sequel will be more 'stand-alone' (with hints of a 2nd sequel) or will it be a direct lead-in to the 3rd movie i.e. "To be Continued..."

Although WB probably won't have the balls to commit to a 3rd movie without seeing how the sequel performs.

[dark_b]

why do i have a feeling that singer is now reading this and will change it only because lot of you like it hehehe.

[DavidTyler]

I don't mind the President angle from the comics but I don't see how the current run of the franchise can move Lex from weasely criminal mastermind to President that quickly. He'd have to become Corporate Lex first.

But then, that's expecting the writers on the sequel to actually take any of that into account. There was a lot of convenient writing in SR and I'm willing to bet that there will be a lot more in the sequel.

In any case, I'll be watching the boards here for any developments before I decide whether to even see the sequel.

What actually has me just as concerned is the comment about a villain 'smarter' than Lex who could be the mastermind behind some major plot. If it is Brainiac, what exactly does that say for the way he'll be handled?

I'm guessing that it doesn't mean cold, calculating computer entity from space. It could but it doesn't sound it to me. Perhaps more like the Milton Fine Brainiac possessed version?

[Super Kal]

either way, I'm glad they're considering Brainiac.

[Robin91939]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too :) ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-R

[Super Kal]

um, it's Brainiac, not Brain.i.a.c.

[dark_b]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too :) ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-Rnice

i think interesting would also be a lex that goes insane and thinks that superman is the bad guy on earth.

[Brainiac 2009]

I believe this.

I've actually e-mailed back and forth with Dan Harris a couple of times. I'm a struggling screen writer looking for opinions. I've talked to him about some of his original ideas for the SUPERMAN RETURNS script. Also, I told him I had to say the obligatory "fan" thing....all I said was "Brain.i.a.c". He then responded with, "don't worry, I'm a fan too :) ".

So I'm almost 100% sure this is who we will see. That, what Brandon said at the DVD/GAME release party, and now this and what Mike said about two villains is all pretty much confirming this news.

So I think that what we are looking at is something like this:

Main Villain: BRAIN.I.A.C.
Secondary Villain: Lex Luthor. Luthor has changed his goals and now sees this as an alien problem. He now knows of two Kryptonians on earth (Superman and Jason) and realizes what this means for humanity. He becomes much more political, looking for what will protect humans against this "threat". He is elected as a public official and starts "Project CADMUS" as a means to research and develop a way to stop Superman. One of the outcomes of CADMUS could be either Metallo or Bizzaro.

I think it will be something like that.

-R

If you are emailing him, which I can actually believe because I know 2 other people (linked to Bluetights.net and Justin) who stay in email contact with Mike and Dan (and they love hearing fan ideas)...

please dont tell them to do the Brain.I.A.C. name thing, its an unnecessary tribute to Smallville we dont need.


I dont mind if theres a human form of Brainiac, but I'm hoping they go the STAS route with his machine form.

[bosef982]

first of all, he was the one that created the first "official \S/uper-manips" thread. He's been here a while, he just got banned at one point...
second of all, I don't think he is going to be president, like everyone thinks... I believe that Lex instead will become the multimillionaire business Lex, because even though it's Business Lex, you can still have a large control of politics through an enormous technologically advanced business like LexCorp... ESPECIALLY after he tricks Brainiac into giving him while he wants and them backstabbing Brainiac by helping Superman destroy his only technological competition...

of course, these are all just thoughts...

Woah, why arey ou attacking me. I said the same thing you did...he's not a new poster! What the ****?

[bosef982]

I am actually hoping for a more developed Luthor. In my mind, I'd imagine Luthor in exile in Morrocco or something and someoen coming to him for his information on superman, offering him a chance, and Luthor usupring this man's prestige to gain control...I wrote about this in another thread.

[Super Kal]

Woah, why arey ou attacking me. I said the same thing you did...he's not a new poster! What the ****?
lol, oh... oops. I misread it.

i didn't mean to attack you either. sorry

[bosef982]

Okay. Cool....here I am trying to be more congiel than usual. :D

Anyway, I want to see a more wealthy scientsit Lex. I'm not a huge fan of President Luthor because it really "dates" the movie and also places it in sort of a odd, restrictive context. Luthor can do much more villianous things as a wealthy entrepeneur...also, having Luthor as President could stir some politicla controversy pertaining to real life politics....unintentionally, of coruse.

[dark_b]

i dont think he will be president.

[Zen Ith]

Reading some of the responses in this thread I can tell many of the naysayers aren't actually complaining to make sure changes are made (like they claim) but out of a personal vendetta against Singer.

And that's just sad.

On the lighter side of things, I think it's good they are trying to fix their mistakes. It's a healthy approach to film making.

[Robin91939]

um, it's Brainiac, not Brain.i.a.c.

I like the idea of him his name being a derivative of an acronym. It makes him seem more man made, robotic and machine. Having him as a Brain Inter Active Construct would be much less " sci-fi " sounding Brainiac as a name.

I wouldn't mind it either way though.

If you are emailing him, which I can actually believe because I know 2 other people (linked to Bluetights.net and Justin) who stay in email contact with Mike and Dan (and they love hearing fan ideas)...
I know you believe me, but I just want to make it more credible. Here's one of our emails:


Hey, thanks for the nice message --

You caught me online so I'll tell you, the original section I think I wrote and somehow it was condensed into what it is now. It used to read:

SUPERMAN
Listen. What do you hear?

LOIS
Nothing. Silence.

SUPERMAN
Do you know what I hear, Lois?
I hear everything. All the good and all the bad. Everything.
(beat)
You wrote that the world doesnt need a savior -- but every day I hear people crying for one.

I still prefer the original, even though its a little bit longer and more sappy -- just seemed like it needed the additional beat of drama. oh well. writing movies is all about realizing nothing you make is prescious!

Thanks for taking your family -- keep bringing people!

I'm back at home, a bit burned out, not shaving my face--haha... heading to NY to work on a script next week, and to attend my best friend from high school's wedding.

thanks again,
dan


-R

[Brainiac 2009]

Yup I heard that on the Dvd during Rouths audition too.

Good stuff.

[Robin91939]

Yup I heard that on the Dvd during Rouths audition too.

Good stuff.
Yeah, personally I'm glad it was condenced, I like the film version better. However, I do like the version of Clark and Lois' talk outside of the Planet near the cab better in the script version.

Something along the lines of:

"and if he saw you, even one last time, he wouldn't have been able to bring himself to leave".

-R

[Brainiac 2009]

It was a great line, but it makes it obvious that Clark is Superman though if he says that to her.

[dark_b]

Reading some of the responses in this thread I can tell many of the naysayers aren't actually complaining to make sure changes are made (like they claim) but out of a personal vendetta against Singer.

And that's just sad.

On the lighter side of things, I think it's good they are trying to fix their mistakes. It's a healthy approach to film making.i am also getting this feeling. i didnt belive it but now i am not 100% anymore. i will watch this thread and threads that are similar. than will we see.

i really hope this is nto true.

[explode7]

Can I also create a thread about how I got info from an insider in the SR production crew and post that info although I haven't?

[Super-Bats]

i'm a naysayer....but I'm not attacking Singer.

I just want a better Superman movie......

oddly....I find myself more excited about the upcoming Iron Man movie than I do about a SR sequel..........

[The Batman]

want a biscuit?

[Super-Bats]

yes.....i love biscuits!!! and cookies too!

seriously.....if Braniac is indeed the villain.....how should he look?

[lexlives]

Can I also create a thread about how I got info from an insider in the SR production crew and post that info although I haven't?

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actor's (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both "sides" will try to spread dis-info. While in all the inside threads out there there may actually be on that is real. But there is no way to judge that. Not that the author of this post is spreading flase info but why should I believe this any more than I should believe what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.

[FlawlessVictory]

Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please :rolleyes: ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

Thanks for the info. For what it's worth, I believe you. I can understand if people are skeptical about what you have provided. But I have been lurking these boards for a long time before I joined and from seeing your posts before, I have no reason to believe you would be trying to deceive anyone. There are your occasional posters who do post bogus info just to get attention but then there are times when we do get legit pieces of info(Spider-Man 3 Q & A).

My thoughts, I think it would be extremely difficult to pull off President Lex considering Lois and Superman witnessed his attempt at New Krypton. How many times is the audience gonna be able to accept that Lex can so easily escape significant jail time? It would be easier to believe that he could escape jail time if he was already a high ranking official but I don't see this Lex as someone who has enough connections to manipulate the system. The obstacle to Corporate Lex or President Lex is this fiasco with New Krypton and Lois and Superman being witnesses, how does Lex overcome that? And as for Brainiac, and with all the talk surrounding his appearance, I would be shocked if he doesn't turn up in the sequel.

[explode7]

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actors (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both side will try to spread dis-info. Not that the author of this post necessarily is but why should I beleive this any more than I should beleive what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.

Exactly thats why we should take JcDc's word or whoever he said he supposedly heard it from with a huuuuuuuuuuge grain of salt.

[explode7]

i'm a naysayer....but I'm not attacking Singer.

I just want a better Superman movie......

oddly....I find myself more excited about the upcoming Iron Man movie than I do about a SR sequel..........

Yes because IM is a fresh new idea brought onto the big screen unlike SR. And if you really look at it this way IM is really a dumbed down version of superman super strength, invulnerability, flight, lasers through the eyes. It would be funny if IM made more than SR being a samller version of superman.

[dark_b]

This is the problem is it not?! There is another insider thread about inside info from the jason actor's (Tristan L.) grandfather on this board too.

Anyone can post anything and I expect both "sides" will try to spread dis-info. While in all the inside threads out there there may actually be on that is real. But there is no way to judge that. Not that the author of this post is spreading flase info but why should I believe this any more than I should believe what Tristan's grandfather is supposedly saying.

it is way too early for any definitive stuff re: a possible sequel.

I go by what Singer and D and other reportedly have said.

To whit more action and screentime for the kid and a different villain. Beyond that it is all rumor and frankly I don't think we will see any signficant changes other than more action and Jason screentime. Till I hear otherwise from the horses' mouths.did they really said that?

and p.s.. its not about to belive if \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth. its about if the guy who said to him was telling the truth. and about the other thread lexlives. its a thread whrere a guy is saying that the grandparents were talking with him and told him that tristan is testin rigs in 2006. now i am not saying that they guy made this up. its just that grandparents are old. and some of them are crazy. tristans are one of them. he is testing the rigs now? you dont have to be older than 5yr old to know that this is all bull....it.

[FlawlessVictory]

2) Nothing Singer can do is good for you, so you're opinion is pretty much moot. If Singer listens to the fans, then he's acknowledging SR's alleged failure???? How can he win? You just want him to fail, basically. If Singer reconstructs a new version, it's because he wanted to do that version now, to push it further, incorporate new elements -- this is by no means an anckowledgement of failure. Just changing the area.

:up:

It's funny how there was a thread created about how great Raimi was because he listened to the fans and included Venom in SM3. But, if Singer listens to the fans, then it's just an admission of the mistakes he made with SR :whatever:. I have stated that I thought Singer should have lifted more ideas from the comics for SR and if he is doing it now for the sequel, then I am happy. Lets be fair here.

[Super Kal]

I see no problem with Singer pulling from the comics... in fact, I support it. :up:

[lexlives]

did they really said that?

and p.s.. its not about to belive if \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth. its about if the guy who said to him was telling the truth. and about the other thread lexlives. its a thread whrere a guy is saying that the grandparents were talking with him and told him that tristan is testin rigs in 2006. now i am not saying that they guy made this up. its just that grandparents are old. and some of them are crazy. tristans are one of them. he is testing the rigs now? you dont have to be older than 5yr old to know that this is all bull....it.


Both threads are second hand sources and both posters I will assume believe what they are being told. I find both reports suspicious in different ways and again will go by what Singer or D&H or WB are quoted as saying about a possible sequel.

I don't doubt \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth as to what someone who claims to know the "truth" is telling him.

Over at BT last year with connections to Singer and WB the owner painted a picture and laid expectations that turned out to not be true. There was a thread about that at BT not long ago. If BT got it wrong with all their supposed connections, and they did, why should any of us beleive any of these 'connected' posts?

[dark_b]

\S/JcDc\S/ is saying what the writters want to do. the other thread is how tristan is testing the rigs.

come on.

[lexlives]

\S/JcDc\S/ is saying what the writters want to do. the other thread is how tristan is testing the rigs.

come on.

He is saying what someone is saying the writers want to do. Sorry, I give neither any credibility at this stage.

What he is saying someone is saying is too convenient in a way. That is my problem with it. It is exactly what many naysayers would want to hear. Like I say too convenient.

If you really want to do "legit" corporate Lex, which by all means is the only way to go IMO - a la Shea and Rosenbaum - why do such an antithesis in the first film? Wasting all that time and effort before getting into a Lex for the new century so to speak.

[Super-Bats]

maybe....SR 2 will be a vague sequel to SR........who knows....

[dark_b]

He is saying what someone is saying the writers want to do. Sorry, I give neither any credibility at this stage.

What he is saying someone is saying is too convenient in a way. That is my problem with it. It is exactly what many naysayers would want to hear. Like I say too convenient.

If you really want to do "legit" corporate Lex, which by all means is the only way to go IMO - a la Shea and Rosenbaum - why do such an antithesis in the first film? Wasting all that time and effort before getting into a Lex for the new century so to speak.what you dont understand is that 90% people in this thred know that there is a huge chance that the writters wontt use those ideas. it just what tehy think in januar. it means nothing now. but i am now not talking that i belive that teh teh writter will use those ideas. i am just saying that i belive that in januar he thought about the idea of having that kind of lex and maybe brianiac. the other thread is about how tristan in 2006 tested the rigs.


p.s. whait a minute. you are making fun of me and all other here. and i know this. damn dude you are really good. i think there are nto a lot of people like you. llike you are brainwashing us. you are very good but not good enough. :woot:

[Brainiac 2009]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/j/T/timmy_CrippleFight_400.jpg

[explode7]

^Hey look its Brainiac 2009 and his bro.

[Brainiac 2009]

I love how the intellectually inferior defend each other with weak comebacks.

Priceless. :cool:

[lexlives]

what you dont understand is that 90% people in this thred know that there is a huge chance that the writters wontt use those ideas. it just what tehy think in januar. it means nothing now. but i am now not talking that i belive that teh teh writter will use those ideas. i am just saying that i belive that in januar he thought about the idea of having that kind of lex and maybe brianiac. the other thread is about how tristan in 2006 tested the rigs.


p.s. whait a minute. you are making fun of me and all other here. and i know this. damn dude you are really good. i think there are nto a lot of people like you. llike you are brainwashing us. you are very good but not good enough. :woot:

I love the Superman mythos, you do too. Where you get the idea I am making fun of you or anyone is beyond me. As to brainwashing, the only ones I would want to "brainwash" are Singer and WB.

I don't make fun of other super-fans. I call them out when I think, my opinion, they are wrong. The problem is not brainwashing - it is probabkly that I love the character too much.

We disagree, but I respect that and would never make fun - its not like there are a ton of Superman lovers out there.

[The Punisher]

wow.

After whining a *****ing about getting coporate lex and a villain, it seems we're getting those things....and some of you still find reason to whine and complain.

So? If they don't like an idea, they don't like it. They're entitled to their opinion and there's nothing you can do about it.

[PSU442]

at the very least, I really think Lex could start swinging public opinion against Supes..... I mean, NK could easily be blamed on him... as could Zod & Co. The government could easily see Superman as the problem.

[Pickle-El]

:up:

It's funny how there was a thread created about how great Raimi was because he listened to the fans and included Venom in SM3. But, if Singer listens to the fans, then it's just an admission of the mistakes he made with SR :whatever:. I have stated that I thought Singer should have lifted more ideas from the comics for SR and if he is doing it now for the sequel, then I am happy. Lets be fair here.

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner folks.

Thanks for what you got us Jc! :up:

[buggs0268]

well i am not a smart guy and i dont know how those reporters work. but isnt lois a good reporter? are you now gonna tell me that a good reporter would writte an article that she was on lex's yacht and that he was the one who created this island? and people would belive this? i thought that reporters are working with facts and need to have something to back up.

as i saw lex in sr did nothing in public to go to jail. so he is a free man. and that is what i like. lex can say when he comes back to metropolis f... you superman.
No. She was a witness when Lex, with a few maps showing it, and poking a piece of Kryptonite into her face, laid out his plan to create this island of Kryptonite which will grow and destroy the world. He knowingly said he would kill millions of people. SHE IS A WITNESS. Then he launched the thing which cracked the ocean floor, and did major property damage to Metropolis. Then he created a big landmass which was growing and going to flood most of North and South America, and Europe. But he actually did go through with his plan and launched the K missle and created New K and did the hundreds of millions of dollars in property damage to Metropolis. So, minus being a reporter, the facts are that. That is enough to put Lex away for life. Guys who plotted but didn't carry out blowing up airplanes in Europe last year are in jail now over there. There is no way that Lex would be elected president. the stuff he did in STM, which is in the "vague History" would be politcial fodder against him. In the comics he was a captain of industry who's crimes could never be traced back to him. In this film series, he is already a convicted crimminal. Somehow, I don't think a guy who hijakced two nuclear missles and tried to sink the west coast, in which people were killed during that earthquake for a landscheme would be someone that people would want to put into the whitehouse.

In any event, Lois' testimony of what Luthor said he was going to do, and then carried out, is enough to put him back in jail for life. Also, he violated a ton of international laws doing what he did also. She wouldn't just be writing an article. She would have to go to the FBI and talk to the agents, and it would probably also end up being a UN issue if that island was far enough into international waters. And also, since Lois was the only witness to Lex laying out his scheme to her, she is also a material witness:

material witness a witness whose testimony is not only relevant to the matter in issue, but also without which the matter may not be resolved. The government may hold a material witness, whether the victim or an eyewitness, against his or her will in order to insure his or her presence at trial.

You can also count Richard, who was trapped with Lois and Jason, in Luthor's yacth, which was in the vacinity of the island thing and where it sunk. The missle launcher was bolted to the front of his yacht, and the military can take a dsrv down to the wreckage and take pics to confirm that it was on the ship. So that ties Luthor with an ilegal Russian missle launcher bolted to the front of his ship.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of people in the city and stood there watching this big landmass being lifted up and pushed into space.

[bosef982]

Both threads are second hand sources and both posters I will assume believe what they are being told. I find both reports suspicious in different ways and again will go by what Singer or D&H or WB are quoted as saying about a possible sequel.

I don't doubt \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth as to what someone who claims to know the "truth" is telling him.

Over at BT last year with connections to Singer and WB the owner painted a picture and laid expectations that turned out to not be true. There was a thread about that at BT not long ago. If BT got it wrong with all their supposed connections, and they did, why should any of us beleive any of these 'connected' posts?

He is saying what someone is saying the writers want to do. Sorry, I give neither any credibility at this stage.

What he is saying someone is saying is too convenient in a way. That is my problem with it. It is exactly what many naysayers would want to hear. Like I say too convenient.

If you really want to do "legit" corporate Lex, which by all means is the only way to go IMO - a la Shea and Rosenbaum - why do such an antithesis in the first film? Wasting all that time and effort before getting into a Lex for the new century so to speak.

I love the Superman mythos, you do too. Where you get the idea I am making fun of you or anyone is beyond me. As to brainwashing, the only ones I would want to "brainwash" are Singer and WB.

I don't make fun of other super-fans. I call them out when I think, my opinion, they are wrong. The problem is not brainwashing - it is probabkly that I love the character too much.

We disagree, but I respect that and would never make fun - its not like there are a ton of Superman lovers out there.

http://pcchu.peterborough.on.ca/imageDND.JPG

[bosef982]

Both threads are second hand sources and both posters I will assume believe what they are being told. I find both reports suspicious in different ways and again will go by what Singer or D&H or WB are quoted as saying about a possible sequel.

I don't doubt \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth as to what someone who claims to know the "truth" is telling him.

Over at BT last year with connections to Singer and WB the owner painted a picture and laid expectations that turned out to not be true. There was a thread about that at BT not long ago. If BT got it wrong with all their supposed connections, and they did, why should any of us beleive any of these 'connected' posts?

He is saying what someone is saying the writers want to do. Sorry, I give neither any credibility at this stage.

What he is saying someone is saying is too convenient in a way. That is my problem with it. It is exactly what many naysayers would want to hear. Like I say too convenient.

If you really want to do "legit" corporate Lex, which by all means is the only way to go IMO - a la Shea and Rosenbaum - why do such an antithesis in the first film? Wasting all that time and effort before getting into a Lex for the new century so to speak.

I love the Superman mythos, you do too. Where you get the idea I am making fun of you or anyone is beyond me. As to brainwashing, the only ones I would want to "brainwash" are Singer and WB.

I don't make fun of other super-fans. I call them out when I think, my opinion, they are wrong. The problem is not brainwashing - it is probabkly that I love the character too much.

We disagree, but I respect that and would never make fun - its not like there are a ton of Superman lovers out there.

http://pcchu.peterborough.on.ca/imageDND.JPG

[bosef982]

Both threads are second hand sources and both posters I will assume believe what they are being told. I find both reports suspicious in different ways and again will go by what Singer or D&H or WB are quoted as saying about a possible sequel.

I don't doubt \S/JcDc\S/ is telling the truth as to what someone who claims to know the "truth" is telling him.

Over at BT last year with connections to Singer and WB the owner painted a picture and laid expectations that turned out to not be true. There was a thread about that at BT not long ago. If BT got it wrong with all their supposed connections, and they did, why should any of us beleive any of these 'connected' posts?

He is saying what someone is saying the writers want to do. Sorry, I give neither any credibility at this stage.

What he is saying someone is saying is too convenient in a way. That is my problem with it. It is exactly what many naysayers would want to hear. Like I say too convenient.

If you really want to do "legit" corporate Lex, which by all means is the only way to go IMO - a la Shea and Rosenbaum - why do such an antithesis in the first film? Wasting all that time and effort before getting into a Lex for the new century so to speak.

I love the Superman mythos, you do too. Where you get the idea I am making fun of you or anyone is beyond me. As to brainwashing, the only ones I would want to "brainwash" are Singer and WB.

I don't make fun of other super-fans. I call them out when I think, my opinion, they are wrong. The problem is not brainwashing - it is probabkly that I love the character too much.

We disagree, but I respect that and would never make fun - its not like there are a ton of Superman lovers out there.

http://pcchu.peterborough.on.ca/imageDND.JPG

[bosef982]

double post

[green]

No. She was a witness when Lex, with a few maps showing it, and poking a piece of Kryptonite into her face, laid out his plan to create this island of Kryptonite which will grow and destroy the world. He knowingly said he would kill millions of people. SHE IS A WITNESS. Then he launched the thing which cracked the ocean floor, and did major property damage to Metropolis. Then he created a big landmass which was growing and going to flood most of North and South America, and Europe. But he actually did go through with his plan and launched the K missle and created New K and did the hundreds of millions of dollars in property damage to Metropolis. So, minus being a reporter, the facts are that. That is enough to put Lex away for life. Guys who plotted but didn't carry out blowing up airplanes in Europe last year are in jail now over there. There is no way that Lex would be elected president. the stuff he did in STM, which is in the "vague History" would be politcial fodder against him. In the comics he was a captain of industry who's crimes could never be traced back to him. In this film series, he is already a convicted crimminal. Somehow, I don't think a guy who hijakced two nuclear missles and tried to sink the west coast, in which people were killed during that earthquake for a landscheme would be someone that people would want to put into the whitehouse.

In any event, Lois' testimony of what Luthor said he was going to do, and then carried out, is enough to put him back in jail for life. Also, he violated a ton of international laws doing what he did also. She wouldn't just be writing an article. She would have to go to the FBI and talk to the agents, and it would probably also end up being a UN issue if that island was far enough into international waters. And also, since Lois was the only witness to Lex laying out his scheme to her, she is also a material witness:

material witness a witness whose testimony is not only relevant to the matter in issue, but also without which the matter may not be resolved. The government may hold a material witness, whether the victim or an eyewitness, against his or her will in order to insure his or her presence at trial.

You can also count Richard, who was trapped with Lois and Jason, in Luthor's yacth, which was in the vacinity of the island thing and where it sunk. The missle launcher was bolted to the front of his yacht, and the military can take a dsrv down to the wreckage and take pics to confirm that it was on the ship. So that ties Luthor with an ilegal Russian missle launcher bolted to the front of his ship.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of people in the city and stood there watching this big landmass being lifted up and pushed into space.

Eh, I think you'd just need something big that swayed the publics opinion. Say Luthor invents a cure for cancer from what he learned from the Kryptonian technology, you could easily make him a Nobel Prize winner and completely win over the world.

[Brainiac 2009]

Lex Luthor saves the world.

I have a strong feeling the sequel will be Superman and Lex teaming up against Brainiac with Lex getting all the credit.

I dont think they will pit Lex against Superman so soon after SR.

[Super Kal]

Lex Luthor saves the world.

I have a strong feeling the sequel will be Superman and Lex teaming up against Brainiac with Lex getting all the credit.

I dont think they will pit Lex against Superman so soon after SR.
you know, if you really think about it, they did that for the shortest time in Superman II...

But I completely support the idea, with Lex having a side agenda of acquiring more technology so he can become that business tycoon and create LexCorp

[explode7]

I love how the intellectually inferior defend each other with weak comebacks.

Priceless. :cool:

Yeah I agree especially the person who posted this pic.

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/j/T/timmy_CrippleFight_400.jpg

He's the king of the intellectually inferiors.:cool:

[Kabuki_Jo]

Yeah right, Lex goes from retard to genius from one to the next movie. Very believeable! :whatever:

What's next? Superman acting like an adult? Bosworth acting like Lois? The stupidity in the story replaced with logic?

Newsflash >>> TOO LATE FOR THAT!

They have to continue with the universe set up in the first movie. Otherwise they loose the people who liked the first one and have to establish a new fanbase, again. They might as well just restart the damn thing! :o

LOL!:D

Agreed.

[explode7]

^ Me too.:up::up:

[lexlives]

Yeah right, Lex goes from retard to genius from one to the next movie. Very believeable! :whatever:

What's next? Superman acting like an adult? Bosworth acting like Lois? The stupidity in the story replaced with logic?

Newsflash >>> TOO LATE FOR THAT!

They have to continue with the universe set up in the first movie. Otherwise they loose the people who liked the first one and have to establish a new fanbase, again. They might as well just restart the damn thing! :o

You have a good point. If this were all true it would be a mini-restart. Of course w/o restarting the one elelment that they should be and that is eliminating the kid.

But, if they plan on major changes then why not just re-boot?

[Super Kal]

he probably wants the sequel to be a vague sequel from Superman Returns...

[Brainiac 2009]

Yeah I agree especially the person who posted this pic.

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/j/T/timmy_CrippleFight_400.jpg


It was amusing how you immediately took offense by it, clear admission of your belief that it was representing you.

No need to get defensive about your inadequacy though, your best buddy Lexlives still loves you. http://forums.toynewsi.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

[explode7]

:dry: How pathetic.

[Showtime]

I was already excited about a sequel and with these two little bits of information I am happy the sequel seems to be taking this direction.

[DavidTyler]

Here are a few of the things I need to get me interested in this second film:

It's a well known here that I want the costume fixed .. so, that's Line item 0001

Line item 0002: Returns was a dark and dismal film. The follow up needs to be brighter and more upbeat.

Line item 0003: Lex needs to move toward Corporate Shark Lex and be thought of as some kind of hero by Metropolis ... therebye setting up an interesting obstacle for Superman in his dealings with him

Line item 0004: Something has to be done about the Kid. In some nice way, that subplot has to be resolved with the kid being written out without creating unbelievable reactions from the characters around him.

Line item 0005: Jimmy needs to become 'Mr. Action' and not 'Suzy Homemaker'. The Man Crush thing has to go away.

Line item 0006: Perry. Please instruct Frank that Perry is a bear and not a pussycat. Even Jackie Cooper's Perry had a more aggressive approach.

[explode7]

^ If the sequel is that I may convinced to get it on DVD if not I'll wait for it to hit cable.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Skimmed through some of the responses. It's true that it was I who assumed "new house" as being Lex in the white house which meant Lex for President. However the white house was never specifically stated so I suppose it could have another meaning. To me it seems an obvious clue though. Lex leaves an island for a new house... What else could it mean but white house? C'mon. I suppose he could gain power specifically in Metropolis as a senator or something. I personally just want Lexcorp in full effect, but if it takes Lex as President to present him as a more intelligent manipulator I'll accept it.

[Zen Ith]

Here are a few of the things I need to get me interested in this second film:

It's a well known here that I want the costume fixed .. so, that's Line item 0001

Line item 0002: Returns was a dark and dismal film. The follow up needs to be brighter and more upbeat.

Line item 0003: Lex needs to move toward Corporate Shark Lex and be thought of as some kind of hero by Metropolis ... therebye setting up an interesting obstacle for Superman in his dealings with him

Line item 0004: Something has to be done about the Kid. In some nice way, that subplot has to be resolved with the kid being written out without creating unbelievable reactions from the characters around him.

Line item 0005: Jimmy needs to become 'Mr. Action' and not 'Suzy Homemaker'. The Man Crush thing has to go away.

Line item 0006: Perry. Please instruct Frank that Perry is a bear and not a pussycat. Even Jackie Cooper's Perry had a more aggressive approach.
So basically, you just want a different film?

[Pickle-El]

double post

But well worth it.

[Super Kal]

you like to get him riled, dont you Pickle?...

[Pickle-El]

you like to get him riled, dont you Pickle?...


I also like late night walks. :hyper:

[Super Kal]

I also like late night walks. :hyper:
so do I.

[The Overlord]

So basically, you just want a different film?

That would be nice.

[lexlives]

That would be nice.

As in re-boot. WB needs to put it off a decade and start over. SR is fatally flawed and any sequel is, IMO, DOA.

[Pickle-El]

No, it isn't. IMO.

:o

[The Overlord]

As in re-boot. WB needs to put it off a decade and start over. SR is fatally flawed and any sequel is, IMO, DOA.

I don't think a reboot is needed, but a radical new direction for the sequel is. I rather wouldn't want to waste time on yet another retelling of superman's origin.

[bsquad]

1 thing I truly want to see is something that was not even in the Christopher Reeve films: Lex meeting Clark Kent. I so see this version of Lex knowing and hating Superman so much that he can see right through the disguise. Have them meet earlier as Lex is hitting up The Daily Planet on a press tour or something. He looks at Clark and eyes him. Clark is unsettled by this. Have him go up to Clark later on as he sits on his desk. Have Lex lean in close and whisper:

"Hello Superman"

[Showtime]

1 thing I truly want to see is something that was not even in the Christopher Reeve films: Lex meeting Clark Kent. I so see this version of Lex knowing and hating Superman so much that he can see right through the disguise. Have them meet earlier as Lex is hitting up The Daily Planet on a press tour or something. He looks at Clark and eyes him. Clark is unsettled by this. Have him go up to Clark later on as he sits on his desk. Have Lex lean in close and whisper:

"Hello Superman"

That's definately a threat to Superman and anybody he knows, but it would also mean Lex is gone for future sequels, since he does know. Unless Superman turns back the earth or gives him an amnesia kiss.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Interesting I just made a post yesterday in the main forum that I want to see Clark and Lex on screen together. I don't want him to know his identity though.

[Showtime]

I think it would be a great idea if Clark interviewed him...that would be a nice sequence.

[dark_b]

As in re-boot. WB needs to put it off a decade and start over. SR is fatally flawed and any sequel is, IMO, DOA.:huh:
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dimension_films/doa__dead_or_alive/_group_photos/holly_valance1.jpg

[OzzMosiz]

Please please please. Do not have Lex as president. Its too moronic and treats the viewers as idiots.

[echostation]

dead on arrival you sethu

[TripXyDE]

Yeah right, Lex goes from retard to genius from one to the next movie. Very believeable! :whatever:

What's next? Superman acting like an adult? Bosworth acting like Lois? The stupidity in the story replaced with logic?

Newsflash >>> TOO LATE FOR THAT!

They have to continue with the universe set up in the first movie. Otherwise they loose the people who liked the first one and have to establish a new fanbase, again. They might as well just restart the damn thing! :o


HAHAHAHAHAHA!
SO TRUE!

SR's Lex was close to the 1980's Superfriends' Lex
ridiculous to jump from THAT version to the one close to the STAS version
AND they have to fix the massive outcry against kate bosworth as lois
AND, of course, the KID

the way i see it, it's either go with Singer's EGO or save the franchise w/ a new director, & a fresh approach

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thanks for the info Jcdc, it all sounds good and i'm looking forward to this sequel more and more.

I dont think Lex will be president in this movie, but he will make inroads towards that and possibly be there in the 3rd movie.

And everything is pointing towards Brainiac as well, i hope they with the Justice League cartoon robot version rather than the human looking green robot version though!

[solidsnake86]

Hopefully Brainiac will be consider for the villain. I'm not sure if any of you have read the Geoff Johns interview and how they are planning on doing a large story for him at the end of this year but here's the link

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003071109.cfm

I wonder how they will re-do his character and if that will have any effect on the direction they take him in the movie, provided that people like the take.

[lexlives]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
SO TRUE!

SR's Lex was close to the 1980's Superfriends' Lex
ridiculous to jump from THAT version to the one close to the STAS version
AND they have to fix the massive outcry against kate bosworth as lois
AND, of course, the KID

the way i see it, it's either go with Singer's EGO or save the franchise w/ a new director, & a fresh approach
You got it - its go with Singer's ego or go with Superman and save the franchise with a new director/vision/approach.

The Lex rumored here is how Singer should have done it from the start. To jump from Singer's campy over-the-top Lex to this corporate Lex would be, make no mistake, essentially a "re-boot" or "re-start" of Lex. An admission of failure. An attempt to "fix' what is not fixable IMO.

The kid, some of the cast, the FX team - they all need to be as radically altered as this "new" Lex would be if this rumor is true.

To show you how shaky the foundation of SR is let's think. Say they go with this new Lex. To get there from here (SR) a lot of time would have elapsed. So how are Superman/Lois/Jason/Richard introduced in a sequel taking place a few years after SR?

Surely, Heaven forbid, not Superman still pining and "spying" on Lois.

No, that situation will have to have been resolved off-screen. Either Lois is with Richard years later or with Superman. The transition to this new relationship which prersumably Singer wanted to be key now becomes a falshback if that.

WB has a mess on its hands any way you look at it if they give Singer a go-ahead.

It is brought home by the Spiderman clips shown at the electronics convention a few weeks back. They blew away the audience and I am told make the SR visuals look like a college film project.

Koeppe's script so amazed the Sony suits they are trying to sign him like today to write Spiderman 4. How different from the reaction of the WB suits last May/June to the SR script.

Come on folks, we are seeing GREAT stuff with Spiderman 3 and potentially great stuff with FF 2. Don't you want that for Superman? In your heart of hearts do you really think Singer and his team is capable of anything near to what we will be getting in Spiderman 3?

That is the choice and rather than settling fans should be upset that Spiderman and FF are delivering so much more depsite the fact Singer, up to that time, had the biggest budget in film history.

We all as Superman fans who have waited decades for this deserve so much more than Singer is capable of giving

[Hunter Rider]

ALL of that Lexlives is your opinion and a lot of it supposition based on unseen movies but there are a lot that feel just a few tweaks and the sequel can be X2 level good

[lexlives]

ALL of that Lexlives is your opinion and a lot of it supposition based on unseen movies but there are a lot that feel just a few tweaks and the sequel can be X2 level goodA few tweaks?! With all due respect you have to be kidding. Have you seen the Spiderman 3 stuff. As they are saying it makes SR look like a college film project.

This is it - if Singer gets a green light - the whole pile of chips is depending on him, Harris & Dougherty, Bosworth and Routh. Is that a bet you are really willing to bet the farm on? Do you have confidence in that team? In the FX company Singer chose - yeah great realisitc flying scenes. If a Singer sequel fails you and I will never see another Superman film in our lifetimes. Think about it.

[Hunter Rider]

A few tweaks?! With all due respect you have to be kidding. Have you seen the Spiderman 3 stuff. As they are saying it makes SR look like a college film project.
ive seen it yeah,it's a few CGI sequences,so what,i need to see a movie first that is good not a few "cool" shots

This is it - if Singer gets a green light - the whole pile of chips is depending on him, Harris & Dougherty, Bosworth and Routh. Is that a bet you are really willing to bet the farm on? Do you have confidence in that team? In the FX company Singer chose - yeah great realisitc flying scenes. If a Singer sequel fails you and I will never see another Superman film in our lifetimes. Think about it.

I have no problem with Routh or bosworth and Singer is capable IMO,changing an SFX house is also completely managable even though i had no issues with the CGI in SR,why can't you accept that some of us don't have this obsessive hate of the film that you do and actually enjoyed a lot of SR ?

[Super Kal]

I agree with HR... I liked Routh and Bosworth, and even though I didn't like it, I respect other people's opinions on liking /loving it.

[Maze]

Thanks kakaroth :yay: ditto. :yay:

I have a lot of compassion for you lex.

i mean all this rage , this fear , i feel for you sincerely..

the problem is that that you like it or not (and you will not like it's obvious even if Singer does the greatest movie of the decade ) Singer will do this movie.

no? okkkk. we'll see in a few month ;)

will it be good? of course for you it has no chances to be good. but the thing is , personnaly i don't settle , i'm even asking a lot when it come to movies ..

the thing is , even if i find a lot of flaws in Sr ,i liked a lot of what i saw overall, and i have huge expectations that the sequel will be even better... because you know what ? Singer is a good filmmaker .Even more, he is a filmmaker who grow all the time in some area or another ( for example he topped himself with the plane sequence ) , and especially learn from his mistakes ( X2 <- X1 )No? you don't like him , but that doesn't make him bad . you say that he is bad , you think that he is bad . that's an opinion.fair enough.. But that's not my opinion, and because you insist in stating your opinion as a fact, that's not the opinion of a lot of people including most critics..So what? like Hunter said , why can't you accept that people has a different opinion?

The sequel has potential imo.

And untill proved otherwise , that's what i think about:).

[Super-Bats]

hey maze.......

yes...the sequel does have potential. It's time for Singer and co to really mine through the comics, cartoons, and other media that have provided Superman with such a rich mythos.

If you think about it, we have had 5 Superman movies, and we've barely even scratched the surface of what the character's mythos can offer.

i really hope Singer and co learn from the "shortcomings and mistakes" of SR, see where they went right, and more importantly, recognize where they can make improvements.

for many of us, Singer made a less than spectacular "first impression."

hopefully, Singer will be able to make a sequel that puts the first one to shame. a sequel that cotinues to please fans and proves itself to detractors of SR.

and.....please....PLEASE.....Singer........if you have a great idea on paper or in your mind........don't skimp on the details/context when translating to the big screen........

as for me, I find myself strangely more interested in a movie about a certain red and gold avenger...........EVEN MORE THAN SPIDER-MAN 3!!!?????

[bosef982]

hey maze.......

yes...the sequel does have potential. It's time for Singer and co to really mine through the comics, cartoons, and other media that have provided Superman with such a rich mythos.

If you think about it, we have had 5 Superman movies, and we've barely even scratched the surface of what the character's mythos can offer.

i really hope Singer and co learn from the "shortcomings and mistakes" of SR, see where they went right, and more importantly, recognize where they can make improvements.

for many of us, Singer made a less than spectacular "first impression."

hopefully, Singer will be able to make a sequel that puts the first one to shame. a sequel that cotinues to please fans and proves itself to detractors of SR.

and.....please....PLEASE.....Singer........if you have a great idea on paper or in your mind........don't skimp on the details/context when translating to the big screen........

as for me, I find myself strangely more interested in a movie about a certain red and gold avenger...........EVEN MORE THAN SPIDER-MAN 3!!!?????


I'm always a bit taken back by some. I actually agree with EVERYTHING you said...except the bolded. It really isn't a MANY of us...it's a very vague numercial quantity.

Also, keep this in mind, watch Singer's interviews on X2. He humbly and frankly speaks about the things he felt could've been better in X1, and he went out of his way to correct them -- talking about them.

Yet, you have people like LexLives, that just leech onto what i think is artistic itnegrity (you don't get many 'drafts" of a movie) to realize what you could've done better and turn it into an admission of failure. I just dont' see it that way...

Look at Raimi, who really didn't "improve' anything he messed up with in SM1. I don't know, I just am really getting tired of lexLives...there's disliking this movie, and then ther'es just bashing.

LexLives represents the exact symbol of blind, near-trolling bashing of this film and it just is disgusting.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm always a bit taken back by some. I actually agree with EVERYTHING you said...except the bolded. It really isn't a MANY of us...it's a very vague numercial quantity.

Also, keep this in mind, watch Singer's interviews on X2. He humbly and frankly speaks about the things he felt could've been better in X1, and he went out of his way to correct them -- talking about them.

Yet, you have people like LexLives, that just leech onto what i think is artistic itnegrity (you don't get many 'drafts" of a movie) to realize what you could've done better and turn it into an admission of failure. I just dont' see it that way...

Look at Raimi, who really didn't "improve' anything he messed up with in SM1. I don't know, I just am really getting tired of lexLives...there's disliking this movie, and then ther'es just bashing.

LexLives represents the exact symbol of blind, near-trolling bashing of this film and it just is disgusting.

pwnage as the kids say :eek:

WOW :up:

[Super-Bats]

i actually agree with you bosef......

no, I don't like the movie much myself, but I'm not going to just blindly bash it. yes, I vent, sometimes I rant, and I argue my points ( often passionately )...........and there are elements in SR with which I STRONGLY disagree......

but I do that to point out where I thought the movie went wrong....and how it could have been so much better. I also give SR praise where I feel praise is due.

Would I have preferred a total restart, instead of SR? Yes. Would I still prefer WB to pull an "Incredible Hulk" and go with a different director and direction for the next movie? Yes.

But, as far as I know, that is not going to happen. All I can do is hope for the best for the sequel. If the story turns out to be great and addresses many of the problems I had with SR.....then I may just go and see it. OTOH, if I feel it's just going to continue in the same vein.....then I don't have to see it.

After all, no one is forcing me to see the movie.

I also think it is fair to say that SR DID NOT Bomb or Fail at the BO. It may have "underperformed" or failed to do gangbuster numbers like Spider-man.........it's performance may be considered "lackluster" compared to what was expected.....but it was not an outright bomb or failure.

So, overall, I feel my criticisms are fair, not blind hatred.

oh.......I also caught a bit of Spacey on Letterman last night. He mentioned that SR did well and they were going forward on another one.

i don't know how much that is worth......but there it is from Luthor's mouth......lol

[bsquad]

hey maze.......

If you think about it, we have had 5 Superman movies, and we've barely even scratched the surface of what the character's mythos can offer.

good point. I actually think the events of Superman Returns really forces them to do something we have not seen before in a Superman film when it comes to the character(s).

[Showtime]

i actually agree with you bosef......

no, I don't like the movie much myself, but I'm not going to just blindly bash it. yes, I vent, sometimes I rant, and I argue my points ( often passionately )...........and there are elements in SR with which I STRONGLY disagree......

but I do that to point out where I thought the movie went wrong....and how it could have been so much better. I also give SR praise where I feel praise is due.

Would I have preferred a total restart, instead of SR? Yes. Would I still prefer WB to pull an "Incredible Hulk" and go with a different director and direction for the next movie? Yes.

But, as far as I know, that is not going to happen. All I can do is hope for the best for the sequel. If the story turns out to be great and addresses many of the problems I had with SR.....then I may just go and see it. OTOH, if I feel it's just going to continue in the same vein.....then I don't have to see it.

After all, no one is forcing me to see the movie.

I also think it is fair to say that SR DID NOT Bomb or Fail at the BO. It may have "underperformed" or failed to do gangbuster numbers like Spider-man.........it's performance may be considered "lackluster" compared to what was expected.....but it was not an outright bomb or failure.

So, overall, I feel my criticisms are fair, not blind hatred.

oh.......I also caught a bit of Spacey on Letterman last night. He mentioned that SR did well and they were going forward on another one.

i don't know how much that is worth......but there it is from Luthor's mouth......lol

You impress me SBats...you have the knack of not liking the movie, but still being able to discuss it intelligently and without malice towards other viewpoints.

That is a good little "tidbit" about Spacey annoucing they were going forward with a 2nd Superman movie. Thanks.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yeah good to know Spacey will seemingly be on board for a sequel if he knows they are going ahead with it.

Lexlives you really need to get a grip, your opinion is not fact, accept that, just as many people liked this movie as disliked it, and from personnal experience, i dont know anyone outside the boards who disliked SR.

[Showtime]

^Yeah good to know Spacey will seemingly be on board for a sequel if he knows they are going ahead with it.

Lexlives you really need to get a grip, your opinion is not fact, accept that, just as many people liked this movie as disliked it, and from personnal experience, i dont know anyone outside the boards who disliked SR.

Lexlives did not like one thing about this movie as far as I know. He didn't like Ottman's hairstyle and things it hurt the box office. He thinks that the Clark's dog was overshined by Kitty's dog which hurt the general public's opinion of Superman. Heck, he even hated the catering and thinks it ruined Spacey's potrayal of Lex. :dry:

[Super-Bats]

hey showtime....thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.

I just try to be fair, that's all. just as I feel you and maze, especially, are fair. While we have opposite views on SR, you are willing to listen to our complaints, to admit where SR could have been better, and overall, discuss the movie intelligently and politely.

so, kudos to you and maze........:)

as for the Spacey / sequel thing......I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

now, mind you, it was late at night and I was tired......but I was flicking through the channels and I cam across Letterman. I really don't like Letterman ( prefer Leno ), but I wanted to see if Spacey mentioned SR.

sure enough, I caught the very tail end of their Superman discussion......I believe Spacey said that SR did very well and that they were going ahead on a another one.

did anyone else catch Spacey on Letterman?

[Showtime]

hey showtime....thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.

I just try to be fair, that's all. just as I feel you and maze, especially, are fair. While we have opposite views on SR, you are willing to listen to our complaints, to admit where SR could have been better, and overall, discuss the movie intelligently and politely.

so, kudos to you and maze........:)

as for the Spacey / sequel thing......I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

now, mind you, it was late at night and I was tired......but I was flicking through the channels and I cam across Letterman. I really don't like Letterman ( prefer Leno ), but I wanted to see if Spacey mentioned SR.

sure enough, I caught the very tail end of their Superman discussion......I believe Spacey said that SR did very well and that they were going ahead on a another one.

did anyone else catch Spacey on Letterman?

Thanks for the kind words.

I am sure somebody will be able to cfm what Spacey said. I would imagine he would mention SR, since I am not sure what he is doing otherwise at the moment.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Lexlives did not like one thing about this movie as far as I know. He didn't like Ottman's hairstyle and things it hurt the box office. He thinks that the Clark's dog was overshined by Kitty's dog which hurt the general public's opinion of Superman. Heck, he even hated the catering and thinks it ruined Spacey's potrayal of Lex. :dry:

It wouldnt surprise me if he did think all those things.

[Super-Bats]

if Braniac does turn out to be the main villain.....I would soooo love to have a dialogue scene like this:

As Braniac and Lex team up to attack Earth, Superman and the JLA huddle together in the Batcave:

Superman: What happen?
Wonder Woman: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Batman: We get signal.
Superman: What!!
Batman: Main screen turn on.
Superman: It's you!!

(Braniac and Lex appear on the bat computer screen)

Lex: How are you gentlemen!!
Braniac: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!
Lex: You are on the way to destruction.
Superman: What you say!!
Braniac: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Braniac + Lex: Ha ha ha ha...
Superman: You spoony Bard!!!
Wonder Woman: This guy are sick!!!!
Batman: Superman!!
Superman to JLA: You know what you doing.
Superman + JLA: For great justice!!!

(just then.......Robin shows up and tries to warn the JLA about Zod)

Robin: Listen to me! Just now, some guy in a black cloak goes walked east towards that grassy field!!!

Superman + JLA: STFU NOOB!!!!!

[GreenKToo]

too true..I'm always a bit taken back by some. I actually agree with EVERYTHING you said...except the bolded. It really isn't a MANY of us...it's a very vague numercial quantity.

Also, keep this in mind, watch Singer's interviews on X2. He humbly and frankly speaks about the things he felt could've been better in X1, and he went out of his way to correct them -- talking about them.

Yet, you have people like LexLives, that just leech onto what i think is artistic itnegrity (you don't get many 'drafts" of a movie) to realize what you could've done better and turn it into an admission of failure. I just dont' see it that way...

Look at Raimi, who really didn't "improve' anything he messed up with in SM1. I don't know, I just am really getting tired of lexLives...there's disliking this movie, and then ther'es just bashing.

LexLives represents the exact symbol of blind, near-trolling bashing of this film and it just is disgusting.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Brainiac is the villain i hope he just calls Superman Kal-El throughout the movie, its cool the way he said it on the JLUTAS.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

If Brainiac is the villain i hope he just calls Superman Kal-El throughout the movie, its cool the way he said it on the JLUTAS.

If Brainiac is cut out of second movie... There won't be a third :o Fans will revolt!

[wellsy]

I think I'll post how I'd like to see the next Superman movie turn out:

Set 3-4 years after SR, Lex has managed to get off that little island, has fired Kitty (who wanders around aimlessly, maybe gets a cameo), and has founded a small property business - Lexcorp Properties PTY LTD (That means he owns it with limited liability). He's sorted out with Supes and Lois that in return for keeping Jason's secret under wraps, and not doing anything wrong, they won't send him back to gaol (yes - THAT is how you spell jail!). This last little bit gets revealed in a flashback (maybe while Lex/Lois/Clark is staring out the window of his/her office or something).

Jason is left in the care of Richard and Lois, and Supes did have a quiet word with Richard, something IMO along the lines of:

S: You know about Jason...?

R: It seemed kind of obvious.

S: Even so... he knows you as father.

R (Gets a bit aggro): But YOU are his father.

S: No... not yet. He needs someone who can be there for him, who can take care of him. You're a good person, like those who raised me.

R (a bit surprised) : Wait... you're saying...

S: He needs you now. You're a good role model for him.

Richard looks as Supes as though he has three heads.

S: Don't worry - I'll still be around.

R (a wee bit confused) : Alright.

S: Take care of him.

Something like that in a flash back (say with Richard and Jason on a plane to work as European correspondant or something) would also look incredable.

And then theres the Krypton flashback scenes that we could have (the shots made for SR that were never used.

Those might just give us a clue as to Brainiac's (or however they'll spell it) origins.

Thats just setting it up really. It would then descend into what we'd probably expect (Brainy goes to find Jason, Supes, and does the usual thing, and the whole event greatly benefits Luthor, who begins to expand into weapons production and science R&D (someone mentioned CADMUS earlier?), using the wealth created by Lexcorp Properties and makes Lexcorp a holding company like Coca Cola (here in Oz its Coca Cola Amatil)).

Now, as for having Lex start corporate life in property - an obvious nod to the previous plot lines. The flashbacks work by allowing the characters to progress, while explaining what happened in the meantime.

Just my ideas for the start. Think it could work?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Brainiac is cut out of second movie... There won't be a third :o Fans will revolt!

Er, i didnt mention mention anything about a 3rd or cutting out Brainiac JcDc!:huh: . I would like the villains in movies to go like this:

2nd: Brainiac and Lex
3rd: Darksied and Apokolips
4th: Imperiex and full blown epic end of the galaxy movie!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Never said you did.

[TripXyDE]

You got it - its go with Singer's ego or go with Superman and save the franchise with a new director/vision/approach.

The Lex rumored here is how Singer should have done it from the start. To jump from Singer's campy over-the-top Lex to this corporate Lex would be, make no mistake, essentially a "re-boot" or "re-start" of Lex. An admission of failure. An attempt to "fix' what is not fixable IMO.

The kid, some of the cast, the FX team - they all need to be as radically altered as this "new" Lex would be if this rumor is true.

To show you how shaky the foundation of SR is let's think. Say they go with this new Lex. To get there from here (SR) a lot of time would have elapsed. So how are Superman/Lois/Jason/Richard introduced in a sequel taking place a few years after SR?

Surely, Heaven forbid, not Superman still pining and "spying" on Lois.

No, that situation will have to have been resolved off-screen. Either Lois is with Richard years later or with Superman. The transition to this new relationship which presumably Singer wanted to be key now becomes a flashback if that.

WB has a mess on its hands any way you look at it if they give Singer a go-ahead.

It is brought home by the Spiderman clips shown at the electronics convention a few weeks back. They blew away the audience and I am told make the SR visuals look like a college film project.

Koeppe's script so amazed the Sony suits they are trying to sign him like today to write Spiderman 4. How different from the reaction of the WB suits last May/June to the SR script.

Come on folks, we are seeing GREAT stuff with Spiderman 3 and potentially great stuff with FF 2. Don't you want that for Superman? In your heart of hearts do you really think Singer and his team is capable of anything near to what we will be getting in Spiderman 3?

That is the choice and rather than settling fans should be upset that Spiderman and FF are delivering so much more despite the fact Singer, up to that time, had the biggest budget in film history.

We all as Superman fans who have waited decades for this deserve so much more than Singer is capable of giving

EXACTLY!!!

SUPERMAN RETURNS
should have been the PERFECT set-up to FIX all the flaws of the Donner/Reeve movies. With Supes GONE for a long period, Lex couldv redeemed himself during such a time, he could've been able to acquire VAST amounts of money, earn the RESPECT of the community, let's say there was this BIG calamity that hit, Superman was not around, but Lex was the hero of the hour that was able to save everybody & redeem himself to the eyes of the community.

Let's face the obvious; Donner's & Singer's Lex is a plain hooligan. sure, he's a brilliant "criminal mastermind". but he's still a hooligan. Corporate Lex is the REAL Criminal Mastermind. it's an obvious mirror on reality (in which Singer claims SR has) that the most BRILLIANT criminal masterminds are the ones who are respected by the public, & because of this respect & power, they can MOVE things like pawns (from cops, to public officials, to even the military).

THEIR version of Lex contents himself with just staying in an underground lair, a yacht, and a few goons. How can he redeem himself in the next movie, when the world could easily find out who's responsible for that big dumb "bizarro island" catastrophe. if we civilians can access Google Earth, don't you think that some spy satellite would catch Luthor & his goons in that bizarro island like a sore thumb?

If Corporate Lex was given the circumstances, he would've been a step ahead---ALWAYS. one of the guys accessing the spy satellite would've secretly been in the payroll of Lexcorp. While Superman was being taken to the hospital (don't you think we shouldve taken a wounded alien, to a lab? they don't exactly have syringes that could penetrate hard-as-steel, alien skin in the hospital, you know) Lex would've already been sped off by his minions to the Bahamas, sipping wine with some politicians saying "I wonder who's responsible for THIS disaster?"

[TripXyDE]

ALL of that Lexlives is your opinion and a lot of it supposition based on unseen movies but there are a lot that feel just a few tweaks and the sequel can be X2 level good

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"

[TripXyDE]

I'm always a bit taken back by some. I actually agree with EVERYTHING you said...except the bolded. It really isn't a MANY of us...it's a very vague numercial quantity.

Also, keep this in mind, watch Singer's interviews on X2. He humbly and frankly speaks about the things he felt could've been better in X1, and he went out of his way to correct them -- talking about them.

Yet, you have people like LexLives, that just leech onto what i think is artistic itnegrity (you don't get many 'drafts" of a movie) to realize what you could've done better and turn it into an admission of failure. I just dont' see it that way...

Look at Raimi, who really didn't "improve' anything he messed up with in SM1. I don't know, I just am really getting tired of lexLives...there's disliking this movie, and then ther'es just bashing.

LexLives represents the exact symbol of blind, near-trolling bashing of this film and it just is disgusting.

sure. the same way we should respect the opinions of those who liked Schumacher's Batman movies. sure, we RESPECT opinions, but every now & then, we should educate others to tell what's good & what's garbage.

[lexlives]

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"Indeed, Singer is a good director but not the right director for Superman IMO. One does not preclude the other.

I do wonder if Singer wonders this too because if a Singer sequel does not come close to matching X-Men 2 in terms of BO jump his sequel will be seen as a failure and indeed his career will be seriously tarnished.

The Schumacker analogy is perfect.

X2 did 41% or so better than X1 - that means a Singer sequel would have to do 282 million to match his earlier X-Men success.

With the much smaller budget and the general negativity many have towards SR I think it is all but impossible for SR 2 to do anywhere near 282 million. I doubt it will be able to muster much more than 210 - 215 million.

Singer has to be thinking too does he want 2 years of intense scrutiny - the internet movie sites and boards will be waiting for any slip and will pounce on it.

An easy out would be for Singer and WB to part company on Superman because of creative differences with WB putting the franchise on indefinite hold.

Win for both WB and Singer. And fans too I'd add.

[The Punisher]

Edit. NM.

[Super-Bats]

and, then, Singer can go back to the X-men movies and save his franchise.....

[lexlives]

EXACTLY!!!

SUPERMAN RETURNS
should have been the PERFECT set-up to FIX all the flaws of the Donner/Reeve movies. With Supes GONE for a long period, Lex couldv redeemed himself during such a time, he could've been able to acquire VAST amounts of money, earn the RESPECT of the community, let's say there was this BIG calamity that hit, Superman was not around, but Lex was the hero of the hour that was able to save everybody & redeem himself to the eyes of the community.

Let's face the obvious; Donner's & Singer's Lex is a plain hooligan. sure, he's a brilliant "criminal mastermind". but he's still a hooligan. Corporate Lex is the REAL Criminal Mastermind. it's an obvious mirror on reality (in which Singer claims SR has) that the most BRILLIANT criminal masterminds are the ones who are respected by the public, & because of this respect & power, they can MOVE things like pawns (from cops, to public officials, to even the military).

THEIR version of Lex contents himself with just staying in an underground lair, a yacht, and a few goons. How can he redeem himself in the next movie, when the world could easily find out who's responsible for that big dumb "bizarro island" catastrophe. if we civilians can access Google Earth, don't you think that some spy satellite would catch Luthor & his goons in that bizarro island like a sore thumb?

If Corporate Lex was given the circumstances, he would've been a step ahead---ALWAYS. one of the guys accessing the spy satellite would've secretly been in the payroll of Lexcorp. While Superman was being taken to the hospital (don't you think we shouldve taken a wounded alien, to a lab? they don't exactly have syringes that could penetrate hard-as-steel, alien skin in the hospital, you know) Lex would've already been sped off by his minions to the Bahamas, sipping wine with some politicians saying "I wonder who's responsible for THIS disaster?"
Yeah, they should have taken Superman to Star Labs. A wonderful chance to showcase a great part of the mythology. So many missed opportunities.

Its one of the reasons Jason was such a wrong way to go. Screentime that could have been used to focus on Star Labs, Inspector Henderson, Emil - on and on - is not available now. Jason has to be a large part of the story. The stuff as a fan I would have loved to have seen simply won't get the airtime.

[Showtime]

I didn't know you had a twin brother Lex L.?

[Showtime]

sure. the same way we should respect the opinions of those who liked Schumacher's Batman movies. sure, we RESPECT opinions, but every now & then, we should educate others to tell what's good & what's garbage.

I didn't realize you could educate others on what their opinions should be...tell me more? :whatever:

[lexlives]

I didn't know you had a twin brother Lex L.?

Great minds think alike!

Seriously you have admitted SR split the fanbase about down the middle so indeed I have lots of brothers and sisters out there. We are everywhere don't you know. Your best friend may even be one of us!

[Showtime]

Great minds think alike!

Seriously you have admitted SR split the fanbase about down the middle so indeed I have lots of brothers and sisters out there. We are everywhere don't you know. Your best friend may even be one of us!

For every one of you there is one of them. Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

[lexlives]

sure. the same way we should respect the opinions of those who liked Schumacher's Batman movies. sure, we RESPECT opinions, but every now & then, we should educate others to tell what's good & what's garbage.

TripXyDE - check out the blog myself and a few others have set up. We are getting a good response.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dvrandy/

[lexlives]

For every one of you there is one of them. Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

This is one thing that has to bother Singer. He may not read the boards - so he says - but he knows I bet the split his film caused.

Someone above mentioned him returning to X-Men to fix it. I gotta say that option must look in ways like a greener pasture to Singer. The larger budget alone which it will certainly get - larger than X3's 210 million - has got to be tempting and the fact Singer would face a lot less grief and might be seen as a saviour by some of the X-Men franchise.

No ones knows what he is really thinking but it would not surprise me in the end if he ends up on X-Men 4 instead of another Superman film.

[Showtime]

Doubt it, he went in with a two - three movie pitch, and WB is allowing him the sequel. He's going to go forward with a continuation of his story.

[lexlives]

Doubt it, he went in with a two - three movie pitch, and WB is allowing him the sequel. He's going to go forward with a continuation of his story.

He went in with a 3 film pitch (not 2 - 3) though now even he probably realizes a 3rd film may be problematic.

I noticed Routh's slip at the DVD launch party where he said he always weanted to do 2 Superman films. Freudian slip? I think they all know this thing is hanging.

Not saying he will bolt for sure just that the grass on that side has to look greener right now and the outcome far more assured.

[Showtime]

He went in with a 3 film pitch (not 2 - 3) though now even he probably realizes a 3rd film may be problematic.

I noticed Routh's slip at the DVD launch party where he said he always weanted to do 2 Superman films. Freudian slip? I think they all know this thing is hanging.

Not saying he will bolt for sure just that the grass on that side has to look greener right now and the outcome far more assured.

I am a realist I don't take small harmless comments and turn them into speculation or fact. Whether it was two or three, he has a complete story, a franchise if you will. All legitimate reports are pointing to Singer going forward with the sequel, no amount of so called "freudian slips" or "I heard Singer say this at a party" changes that.

[bosef982]

sure. the same way we should respect the opinions of those who liked Schumacher's Batman movies. sure, we RESPECT opinions, but every now & then, we should educate others to tell what's good & what's garbage.

Educate me? My dear boy, you won't be educating me? That's like a neandrathal trying to teach a homosapien how to write.

Educate others..using what? Your narrow interpretation of superman? Your endless rants? Open a text book and read...they actually make logical sense. Give me an educated analyzation of why Superman Returns was a failure, taking into account its overwhelming positive criticla success, doing a tad more than Batman Begins did internationally (and Begins is considered a success), and with WB already optioning for a sequel by Singer? Tell me, using those PROVEN FACTS how SR failed?

Or is that you're just a bitter betsy who is mad that the verison of Supeman that happened to succeeded was a version that you didn't like yourself and thus you now have to graft your opinions onto EVERYONE?

[bosef982]

I am a realist I don't take small harmless comments and turn them into speculation or fact. Whether it was two or three, he has a complete story, a franchise if you will. All legitimate reports are pointing to Singer going forward with the sequel, no amount of so called "freudian slips" or "I heard Singer say this at a party" changes that.

...or *****ing, or whining, or idiotic, lame website blog set up to satisfy the ego of its creator rather than effectuate any real change?

And Lex, could you post the links to the full articles that are qouted on your website by Dark Horizons and Entertainment Weekly?

[Morg]

TripXyDE, let's not go down that slippy slope please.

[gdw]

I LOVE the Lex taking political/more public actions and trying to make the public turn against Superman.

Alway's have.

[lexlives]

I LOVE the Lex taking political/more public actions and trying to make the public turn against Superman.

Alway's have.


No, we are encouragoig those who want a re-start to write. The problem was WB listened seemingly too much to BT as a voice of the fans and not enough to other sites where opinions were evenly split.

If nothing else writing lets fans vent steam and do something positive in addition to just complaining at boards.

BTW, taking public action is as American as apple pie. Its all voluntary. No one is being forced to write. People are doing so cause they care for the franchise.

[GreenKToo]

meh, I didnt read it, and won't be either. I think that even after they start filming the sequel, you'll still be claiming that singers not coming back.
I never was a big singer fan, but your constant complaining about him is turning me into one.

[Freddy_Krueger]

No one is being forced to write. People are doing so cause they care for the franchise.


Yup. All three of ya.

[lexlives]

Yup. All three of ya.

Actually, the reponse has been quite good but believe what you want.

[AssMan]

A good response or not the WB will not listen & even if they did I highly doubt they would take someone seriously that does nothing but spam on a message board thinking hes right & everyone else is wrong.

[dark_b]

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

[Attikus]

Everyone chill...SR was a good reboot...it was just missing a strong third act...lifting heavy stuff does not constitute a strong third act...but I like the way Supes was re-introduced...I hate that Lex pulled a reverse Anna Nicole Smith...he's more clever to have to stupe to schtup an old bag...but I really liked the romantic stuff between Lois and Kal on the roof...the plane saving sequence was amazing and I think giving supes a kid was a brave story choice...tough to figure out what they do in the sequels...but brave...Luthor was uneven but he'll be better in the sequel...we will finally see corporate Lex and Brainiac and lots and lots of action from the get-go...my God it's going to be hellishly expensive and I for one can't wait.

[FanboyX_Returns]

THING IS, this is NOT just plain Singer-Bashing...
this is stating clear the fact that SR really was a FAILURE
i loved X-Men PART ONE
it didn't have enough action, as many complainers would put out, BUT IT WAS decent.
This is stating the fact that somebody powerful among the suits should just go ahead telling Singer:

"Dude, you're a GREAT director, but SUPERMAN is just NOT your THING. Remember how good Joel Schumacher WAS as a director? Well, now, he's tarnished as the DIRECTOR of "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin"... do YOU REALLY wanna be remembered as the director of the Gay Superman, the PEEPING Tom Superman, the Superman who had a son out of wedlock, the Superman movie with the DUMB Lex Luthor, A Lois Lane that EVERYBODY seems to agree should be replaced, the Superman movie which was so FREAKING boring...? you screwed up not on just one minor part of the movie, but it seems--ALL of it. & who did you please? fanboys who still have a hard-on for the Donner Superman nostalgia, chicks who get wet for Routh, & critics who don't know jack5hit of Superman? Dude---ARE YOU SURE that given a SEQUEL---CAN YOU PULL THIS OFF?

i don't think so

so, for the sake of your career, stay away from THIS franchise & redeem your GREAT image...get it back to the way people RESPECTED you when you made USUAL SUSPECTS"


I knew there was trouble for sure on SR when I read that Singer went home after a couple of months of shooting for a week or so because he was so upset at how bad the dailies were coming out, and needed to blow off steam, and it was said that he was afraid for his career because he thought the fans were going to tear him apart when the movie came out if it turned out bad.

I don't know 100% if that really happened but I read that during production on a online site somewhere.

Anyway great post man couldn't have put it better myself...

[FanboyX_Returns]

again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

The "HNIC" over at the WB don't know what the hell it is they are doing with these properties, and they have been hurting, and losing to Marvel for years because of it.

SR was a dud.. Just wait until Spiderman 3 tears up the boxoffice this year!

[Eros]

Everyone chill...SR was a good reboot...it was just missing a strong third act...lifting heavy stuff does not constitute a strong third act...but I like the way Supes was re-introduced...I hate that Lex pulled a reverse Anna Nicole Smith...he's more clever to have to stupe to schtup an old bag...but I really liked the romantic stuff between Lois and Kal on the roof...the plane saving sequence was amazing and I think giving supes a kid was a brave story choice...tough to figure out what they do in the sequels...but brave...Luthor was uneven but he'll be better in the sequel...we will finally see corporate Lex and Brainiac and lots and lots of action from the get-go...my God it's going to be hellishly expensive and I for one can't wait.

SR was good, but it was not a reboot, Batman begins was a reboot.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Spidey 3 doesn't have to be good to do well at the bo. I'm not saying it will be a bad film, I'm sure it will be quite good... BUT whether it's as good as Superman Returns? Doesn't matter. It will make more money because the world turned on Superman years ago :o They like a different kind of hero these days.

[Zor-El]

Spidey 3 doesn't have to be good to do well at the bo. I'm not saying it will be a bad film, I'm sure it will be quite good... BUT whether it's as good as Superman Returns? Doesn't matter. It will make more money because the world turned on Superman years ago :o They like a different kind of hero these days.

I agree. But I also think that it'll do well based on Spider-Man 2's success the same way Superman III got relatively good BO numbers because people liked Superman II

[Retroman]

*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."




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Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please :rolleyes: ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

Thanks JC. I dig what i'm reading.:hyper:

[Mr. Socko]

Singer and Schumacher are both good directors. I enjoy the majority of their work. But B&R and SR shouldn't be in the same category. B&R was just absolutely terrible, it put Batman films on a near decade long hiatus. SR was just mediocre to me. But I absolutely loved X2. Thats what I didn't get. His formula was nearly perfect when it came to X-Men. I guess Superman just ain't his bag.

[dark_b]

Singer and Schumacher are both good directors. I enjoy the majority of their work. But B&R and SR shouldn't be in the same category. B&R was just absolutely terrible, it put Batman films on a near decade long hiatus. SR was just mediocre to me. But I absolutely loved X2. Thats what I didn't get. His formula was nearly perfect when it came to X-Men. I guess Superman just ain't his bag.i think the fan in him made all this. i think the fan is the reason why we got what we got. you can also look at the money. they had 200 milions. come on guys. lets face it he threw the money away.
he needs a reality check. he needs a slap in the face. belive me when that happens singer will make a movie that a lot of people will enjoy and it will make a lot of money. just dont give him 100% control.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm hugely confident that the SR sequel will be more appealing to more people, especially Superman fans. If there is one thing X2 showed its that Singer listens to criticism. The main complaints of X1 were, Storm's wig and accent, the action scene's, not epic enough, not long enough and Wolverine wasnt savage enough.

He rectified ALL of these with X2 IMO, i'll bet he'll do the same with SR2.

[dpm07]

Many people I've talked to, who have seen SR, have noted that the things that stand out to them the most that they didn't care for, are the fact that we have Superson, and also the lack of a great physical confrontation or climax.

If Singer listens to criticism (and I'm rather skeptical whether he will, or he wouldn't have done so many things he's done, and excluded so much of the Superman source material out there), then he can address the lack of action with a superhero/supervillain battle. However, there's really little he can do to erase the fact that he's put in Superson. He's pretty much backed himself in a corner with that.

[Zen Ith]

Many people I've talked to, who have seen SR, have noted that the things that stand out to them the most that they didn't care for, are the fact that we have Superson, and also the lack of a great physical confrontation or climax.How convenient for you.

If Singer listens to criticism (and I'm rather skeptical whether he will, or he wouldn't have done so many things he's done, and excluded so much of the Superman source material out there)
How dare Singer do something that he wanted to do? You'd think he was DIRECTING the film or something. And how dare he not fit in 60 years of comic books!
However, there's really little he can do to erase the fact that he's put in Superson. He's pretty much backed himself in a corner with that.Singer wants to do something with Jason. He knows what is in store for the character. That's not backing yourself into a corner.

[millennium movies]

Did anyone post that Spacey officially confirmed he's back for the sequel?

[lexlives]

again singers SR is not like schumachers batman. its nto the same. so if you want that people take you serious than dont do this again. and yes schumacher is a great director. but i saw to many articles and posts here where they said that WB was the one who said to schumacher that the movie should be lighter. the same with batman & robin. of course the suit designes were fro mschumacher. but batman forever and batman & robin are no disasters because of the suits. its a lot more.

and make no mistakes my brothers ....there is a big chance that WB are the ones who said to cut this movie. i mean singer showed tehm the script and tehy made everything for fimling. until then everyone knew how long hte movie will be. dont tell me that then they decided to cut 20 minutes. this was singers baby. i still dont know if he wall able to do this to hes baby.
WB were the ones who gave singer full control and 200 milions. who the f... does this in a movie without heavy action?

In the end WB has to take full blame. Singer is a joke IMO as relates to Superman, but WB could have and should have stopped this the minute Singer proposed giving Superman a bastard son.

After that WB apparently did not oversee till it was too late - 09/05 and the "mouthpiece" websites - won't mention names, it was not SHH to be sure - complicit in the "grand charade" so to speak.

We fans were had by them all.

[Showtime]

What are you talking about, WB accepted his pitch and the script both with the kid? You make no sense. You think he went behind their backs and pulled wool over their eyes? They knew what was going on every step of the way, they were overseeing the whole thing. Sometimes I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

[Freddy_Krueger]

What are you talking about, WB accepted his pitch and the script both with the kid? You make no sense. You think he went behind their backs and pulled wool over their eyes? They knew what was going on every step of the way, they were overseeing the whole thing. Sometimes I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

Oh, you didn't know Showtime? Apparently Singer is a master conspirator. He pitched Darkseid and delivered Real Estate Lex. He pitched a Superman who wasn't a father and delivered Superman fathering Jason. Those WB execs sure got fooled!

;)

[Zen Ith]

We fans were had by them all.That's right, Singer deliberately made a film that repulsed 50% of the fanbase, risking his position as director of the sequel.

The real truth is, lexlives, that the fans are whiney little snots that do nothing but complain if they don't get what they want. You can see this throughout the Internet.

[Steelsheen]

Did anyone post that Spacey officially confirmed he's back for the sequel?

i think this was in the fornt page a while back, i saw his interview in Letterman itself. i guess everybody sorta expected him back by default so when it was announced it didnt really make much of a splash.


*This is written in a more coherent way of understanding than what I was presented with. However I must stress that no facts have been altered of changed and nothing has been added to make it more interesting. Just fixed the grammar up a bit. * ---> read on --->

Dan Harris-

"Fans are being pretty consistent on who they'd like to see in a sequel. To me, we go with a villain smarter than Lex even. I think we're (Dan, and Michael) on the same page. A villain that appears believable in being the brains behind a big operation."

also

"Lex is a great manipulator, he can sway some public opinion. He may leave that island finding himself in a new house."




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Been gone for months, got this info which is more than credible so posted it here. Not trying to stir any pot. I stake whatever reputation I have (don't make jokes please :rolleyes: ) that this is more than even rumor. I am confident to call this fact. I'm so sure that if this were to be debunked officially... I will leave the hype forever having my user name banned.

This happened.

The above spoilers are true.

Read on...

i sure hope this could be proven true in the long run dude :up:

[GreenKToo]

I like spidey and all, but pirates 3 is gonna give it all it can handle.The "HNIC" over at the WB don't know what the hell it is they are doing with these properties, and they have been hurting, and losing to Marvel for years because of it.

SR was a dud.. Just wait until Spiderman 3 tears up the boxoffice this year!

[ultimatefan]

According to this http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/bryan_singer_headed_for_superman_trial/ the widow and daughter are disputing over half of the copyrights of Superman and Superboy with WB, and this could have implications over all incarnations of the character. For some reason, Bryan Singer apparently has to testify - what the hell does he have to do with the legal rights to the character, he just directed a movie about him.

[Mr. Socko]

I don't see how this could hurt any involvement within the film or comic book community. Mrs. and Ms. Siegel just want more dough basically.

[Andy C.]

Haven't the Siegels and DC been doing enough of this crap over the last few decades?

[Angeloz]

If the WB had been giving them a percentage of the profits over the years then there probably wouldn't be lawsuits. Although it is America. Land of the Lawsuit.

Angeloz

[merced]

Like finally someone is noticing?!

Why partly maybe WB won't commit to any more Superman.

As i get it, the families own half the rights. The name of Superman, Lois lane, Clark kent, Lex Luthor. Krypton and kryptonite.

TW/WB owns the clasic Reeeve costume, shiled, Meropolis, most of the rest of the villains. Brainiac, Parasite.

Its looking like it will go to SCOTUS. The legal ramifications of copyright law apparently go way beyond Superman. Worth billions and billions as the late Carl Sagan would say.

The likley scenario is after 2012 ir goes to court. Lower courts freeze any Superman products.. comcis, films, TV shows, t-shorts..until a higher court decision.

It looks like it goes to SCOTUS. That may take up to a decade. Meaning no Superman at all in that time.

If TW ultimately loses fans do too.

Superman ceases to exists as he was known historically. The families get half, TW gets half. Hald does not equal the whole.

[Showtime]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

[merced]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

Not me. The lawsuit has been there. Just underground. Also the threat the end the movies, comics and TV shows.

I think the families got a bad deal. I think they are wrong to ask 50%. Comics are mostly break even. The movies and the TV shows and other media make money. Cept for SV Superman has not done well there.

I would not be surprised to see TW let the rights go. Half of them. its like the famileies can't do anymore wioth half than can TW/WB.

Fans lose in that case. Superman ceases to exist as we knew him.

You bet the laywers are loving this.

[Showtime]

No. I am saying you are the first who mentioned this would have an effect on Superman.

[merced]

If this comes to be, I'll back up the fact that you called it first Merced.

I think its possible TW lets the rights go. Its only half the rights. It gets to keep the shield and suit and Brainiac and most of the non-Smallville lore.

The families are asking hundreds of millions and 50% of everyhing going forward. Superman I don't think is too profitable to WB now. Not like Batman. Or Spiderman to marvel. The families are asking an unreasonable amount IMO. I am a populitst ... even so the numbers don't work out IMO. Considering that Superman is not the popular character he was. If this lawsuit came about after STM then yes. Not now IMO.

WB creates a new character. Same costume. No Lois or Clark or kents. Or Kryton. A new civilian name. Not sure if the guy can still have a secret identity. I think he can. That concept is not copyrighted.

[merced]

No. I am saying you are the first who mentioned this would have an effect on Superman.

SHH said it several years ago. No way was I the first. The stories about the Superboy lawsuit and SV also mentioned the looming threat to Superman.

Its just Superman sites don't seem to be covering this.

No way IMO WB does another Superman film after JL because they will be right up at the deadline.

[Matt]

Warners or the family will settle. Neither side stands to gain anything buy tying the character up over a long legal battle. Its all about money and there is no money to be made in doing that. They will reach a middle ground.

[merced]

Warners or the family will settle. Neither side stands to gain anything buy tying the character up over a long legal battle. Its all about money and there is no money to be made in doing that. They will reach a middle ground.

TW will settle only if the price is right. Families are asking too high a price IMO.

Either way Superman sort of has to be frozen going forward till its decided it seems.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wait, does the ablility to produce Superman products freeze automatically or does a judge have to rule what can and can't be made after a certain point.

Get rid of Superboy. It's a useless point. Him having powers in Smallville is all that DC needs to tell stories back then.

[Matt]

TW will settle only if the price is right. Families are asking too high a price IMO.

Either way Superman sort of has to be frozen going forward till its decided it seems.

Both sides are currently making ridiculous offers...that they both know they won't get. It is just a way to save face when they settle. MAke it look like they both got a deal.

[merced]

Both sides are currently making ridiculous offers...that they both know they won't get. It is just a way to save face when they settle. MAke it look like they both got a deal.

Hope you are right. This impacts everything. Comics, films and TV shows. Cooler heads need to prevail on both sides IMO. The families got a raw deal from TW/WB in past. Hope they are fans enough not to demand the moon if it means killing Superman for future generations.

[merced]

Wait, does the ablility to produce Superman products freeze automatically or does a judge have to rule what can and can't be made after a certain point.

Get rid of Superboy. It's a useless point. Him having powers in Smallville is all that DC needs to tell stories back then.


If it goes to court the prededent is the lower court freezes its decison. Pending appeal. Sure to be appealed all the way up I think. meaning Superman can't be made until a decision is made. I think this is why WB is walking away from MOS in part/ It'll maybe have to wait until 2020 to know if it can even make Superman films. Assuming the normal 7 or 8 years after 2012 to get to SCOTUS.

[hammy]

Or, WB could make a grand gesture and avoid trial altogether by negotiating a fair deal. I doubt the Siegels want to see an end to the franchise . They just want to profit like bazillions of other people have and are less entitled to.

[manofsteel4life]

so what exactly is the reason for this strike?.....I kept hearing about it, but never realized how important it really was till now....can someone explain to me what's the deal with that?

[explode7]

So why can't WB just let the rights to superman go???

[Angeloz]

So why can't WB just let the rights to superman go???

One word - money (OK three if you count the other two ;)).

Angeloz

[explode7]

What money??? I hope your not referring to the recent superman incarnations in the media because they haven't amounted to ***** in terms of ratings and
BO.

[Angeloz]

What money??? I hope your not referring to the recent superman incarnations in the media because they haven't amounted to ***** in terms of ratings and
BO.

How old are you? 'Cos I suspect you're rather young. Superman makes Time Warner and the WB a lot of money. And it's not just "Superman Returns". There's all sorts of products. Including making money from television, DVDs, comics, keyrings, stationary, manchester and so much more.

Angeloz

[explode7]

^ LOL those things actually sell? The reason I think WB isn't giving up the supes rights is because they still believe he can be profitable which isn't the case currently.

[Angeloz]

^ LOL those things actually sell? The reason I think WB isn't giving up the supes rights is because they still believe he can be profitable which isn't the case currently.

I did try to explain. 'Cos they're not doing it as charity.

Angeloz

[Papa Burgundy]

well lets see the movie made 391 mil worldwide....had great dvd rental numbers (about as much as pirates 2) and pretty good sales word has it (dvd sales arent usually released, or even exactly accurate, so theres no exact numbers). in conclusion money has been made.

and now sr2 would cost way less becuse the giant budget from sr1 was due to all the other failed superman projects.

and this lawsuit is gonna make me cry.

[NotFadeAway]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

[Papa Burgundy]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

ummm...ok

[I Am The Knight]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case &quot;everyone&quot; but you get it)

NO.

[greenlantern248]

I really don't think this is going to be ending soon, hasn't this lawsuit been going on for decades now?

I slightly remember hearing that Jerry and Joe themselves tried taking DC to court back in like 1942 (or around that time) over the rights to Superman cause the felt they got cheated out of the fame for it.

Actually I do believe that was it cause until they won that suit when ever you saw something with Superman in the media it never said "created by" but now it does.

[Lightning54SC]

Hell, give the widow and daughter 100% of the rights so they can sell them to a worthy studio! Or buy them off!

Every man has a price- Ted Dibease (in this case "everyone" but you get it)

agreed... maybe Universal or Fox can get Superman back on his throne where he belongs