New G.I. Joe Details

[cosmicherosa]

http://www.filmofilia.com/2008/04/24/new-gi-joe-details/

We recently got to see lots of promotional photos (http://www.filmofilia.com/2008/04/18/gi-joe-the-cast/) for the upcoming “G.I. Joe” film and today we have a few bits of information directly from the script. The basic premise revolves around a team led by Duke (Channing Tatum) whose mission is to fight for freedom against arch nemesis Cobra Commander and his Cobra Force. Here are several things that you can expect in the movie:

Accelerator suits: Suits that allow the GI Joe squad to run faster, jump super-high, smash through walls, and shrug off bullets

Nano-bomb: A bomb that Cobra Commander wants to launch. When activated, a swarm of nanites are released that eat all of the buildings and machinery, without harming any of the people.

Neo-Vipers: Super-soldiers enhanced by nanotech, so they can’t feel pain or remorse. A mad scientist, known only as the Doctor, creates these soldiers for Destro, who’s horribly disfigured after a fight with Duke. Destro wears a mask made out of nanotechnology, which allows the Doctor, aka Commander, to control his mind.

Invisibility Armor: Scarlett (Rachel Nichols) wears an invisibility armor, wearing it on missions and for fun. Ripcord (Marlon Wayans) has the hots for Scarlett, who says she’ll date him if he can shoot her on an obstacle course. He fails to do so.

Backstory: A backstory involves a romance between Duke (Tatum) and the evil Baroness (Sienna Miller).


Why why must they have love story backgrounds for every character??? When did they ever bring up love stories accross enemy lines, and inter-racial dating? I'm not being racist or silly, I just wanna know why the hell they have to throw the love garbage in? >< >< :cmad::cmad::cmad::o

[Kokoryu1]

http://www.filmofilia.com/2008/04/24/new-gi-joe-details/




Why why must they have love story backgrounds for every character??? When did they ever bring up love stories accross enemy lines, and inter-racial dating? I'm not being racist or silly, I just wanna know why the hell they have to throw the love garbage in? >< >< :cmad::cmad::cmad::o
This is awesome! It truly underscores how horrible this is going to be!

[Rick Roll'd]

http://www.filmofilia.com/2008/04/24/new-gi-joe-details/




Why why must they have love story backgrounds for every character??? When did they ever bring up love stories accross enemy lines, and inter-racial dating? I'm not being racist or silly, I just wanna know why the hell they have to throw the love garbage in? >< >< :cmad::cmad::cmad::o


Uh huh...you mine not ranting cause when you have to say not being racist it kinda is :cwink:

[cosmicherosa]

Nah, I'm just saying that the whole love thing in these movies is just tacked on for NO good reason.


Perfect Example: X-Men 2. Wolverine and Cyclops............CRYING LIKE BABY GIRLS....hugging eachother. Horrible crying also. Please.

[DJ Kornphlake]

Accelerator suits: Suits that allow the GI Joe squad to run faster, jump super-high, smash through walls, and shrug off bullets

:down:down:down:down:down:down

[Jamie Madrox]

I don't know about the 'Accelerator suits' or the 'Invisibilty armor' ideas. That seems a little ridiculous to me.

The love crap is to be expected, but I do like the Neo Vipers and Nano bomb stuff, that should be exciting to see.

I really don't know why they can't just make a movie where G.I.Joe battles Cobra. Why is that so hard? Leave the love triangle, the comic relief and all that junk out of it, and stick to the basics.

[Mal'Akai]

I don't know about the 'Accelerator suits' or the 'Invisibilty armor' ideas. That seems a little ridiculous to me.

The love crap is to be expected, but I do like the Neo Vipers and Nano bomb stuff, that should be exciting to see.

I really don't know why they can't just make a movie where G.I.Joe battles Cobra. Why is that so hard? Leave the love triangle, the comic relief and all that junk out of it, and stick to the basics.
And Zartan blending into his environment doesn't? I don't like the idea either, just saying. But, it is better than Tiger Force.

[DJ Kornphlake]

So is Cobra Commander Doctor Mindbender in this movie?
:huh::huh::huh:

[DOG LIPS]

:down:down:down:down:down:down

I sense lots and lots of flying wire-fu. :csad:

[Rick Roll'd]

Nah, I'm just saying that the whole love thing in these movies is just tacked on for NO good reason.


Perfect Example: X-Men 2. Wolverine and Cyclops............CRYING LIKE BABY GIRLS....hugging eachother. Horrible crying also. Please.

Hey now right there man i whole heartedly agree not every character has to **** each other for a good story.

[DarthRekal]

I don't know about the 'Accelerator suits' or the 'Invisibilty armor' ideas. That seems a little ridiculous to me.

The love crap is to be expected, but I do like the Neo Vipers and Nano bomb stuff, that should be exciting to see.

I really don't know why they can't just make a movie where G.I.Joe battles Cobra. Why is that so hard? Leave the love triangle, the comic relief and all that junk out of it, and stick to the basics.
zakly how i feel
I sense lots and lots of flying wire-fu. :csad:
god i hope not:csad:

[Kokoryu1]

zakly how i feel

god i hope not:csad: Hey, it could be worse. I mean they could make Storm Shadow look like a walking Versace ad and Snake Eyes have lips on his mask.... Oh wait. They did that.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I think they want us to hate this movie.

[Kokoryu1]

I think they want us to hate this movie. Whats to think about? They do. We aren't all a part of the Sigma Sux Anime Generation to whom they're aiming this movie.

[DarthRekal]

Hey, it could be worse. I mean they could make Storm Shadow look like a walking Versace ad and Snake Eyes have lips on his mask.... Oh wait. They did that.
:cmad::csad:

[cosmicherosa]

Hey, it could be worse. I mean they could make Storm Shadow look like a walking Versace ad and Snake Eyes have lips on his mask.... Oh wait. They did that.

Could be more worse if they gave Snake Eyes the upper body of a weightlifting toughman, and the legs of a weightlifting midget plumber.

Technosuits that can't be pierced with bullets and allow superhuman strength. Shame what this will lead to.

And a partially down-syndrome Duke (come on...look at him, watch his acting. He obviously is missing a chromosome, like josh hartnett).

[Kokoryu1]

Could be more worse if they gave Snake Eyes the upper body of a weightlifting toughman, and the legs of a weightlifting midget plumber.

Technosuits that can't be pierced with bullets and allow superhuman strength. Shame what this will lead to.

And a partially down-syndrome Duke (come on...look at him, watch his acting. He obviously is missing a chromosome, like josh hartnett).

Think of Snake Eyes like Joe from Family Guy!
Makes sense since there will be a lot of shooting and no one will get shot!
And once again Cobras about to get Served, YO! http://images.43things.com/profile/216723xl.jpg<<<<THIS GUY SUCKS!!!!

[Neto Magnus]

the accelerator suits is actually what the army is developing now. But it seems too sci-fi-y even for GI Joe.

[Kokoryu1]

the accelerator suits is actually what the army is developing now. But it seems too sci-fi-y even for GI Joe. According to mr.peasant the Army is advising on this movie. And remember this $#!*fest is supposed to take place in 2019.

[Neto Magnus]

you know, i dont really care if they change just about everything we love about Joe, I just hope this movie doesn't turn into one big commercial to join the army. Even Transformers was kinda like that.

[cosmicherosa]

the accelerator suits is actually what the army is developing now. But it seems too sci-fi-y even for GI Joe.

I understand that, I work with the military. I guess I just wanted this to be a little more real, with people dodging fire and such. The super suit will be used as a cop-out explanation of why they never got hit with bullets. If they use these......where is the treat then? Sure the suit can take knife attacks. Everyone who dies in the movie gonna be blown up? Run over?

I am calling it now.....Marlon Wayans WILL make some slangish crack like: "Daaaaaamn..........It's LIke we don't get hit with ANY BULLETS EVER!" Ugh.

[Kokoryu1]

I am calling it now.....Marlon Wayans WILL make some slangish crack like: "Daaaaaamn..........It's LIke we don't get hit with ANY BULLETS EVER!" Ugh.[/quote]

You forgot to add how Marlon Wayans Box office Gold. Ooops Cancer I mean.

[mr. peasant]

Maybe the suits aren't explosive proof? Or they're only resistant to certain ammunition? After all, Kevlar and other forms of body armor are often described in lay terms as 'bulletproof vests' even though they're only able to stop up to a certain caliber. Regardless, I do appreciate the use of the suit's 'special attributes' as a means to explain the character shields the main characters are bound to have.

On a side note, given the suits are undoubtedly some kind of new technology, and the nano-bombs being able to eat through buildings, machinery, etc., isn't this a recipe for all sorts of wardrobe malfunctions? ;)

[CEREBRAL....]

Quote:
We recently got to see lots of promotional photos (http://www.filmofilia.com/2008/04/18/gi-joe-the-cast/) for the upcoming “G.I. Joe” film and today we have a few bits of information directly from the script. The basic premise revolves around a team led by Duke (Channing Tatum) whose mission is to fight for freedom against arch nemesis Cobra Commander and his Cobra Force. Here are several things that you can expect in the movie:
Accelerator suits: Suits that allow the GI Joe squad to run faster, jump super-high, smash through walls, and shrug off bullets
Nano-bomb: A bomb that Cobra Commander wants to launch. When activated, a swarm of nanites are released that eat all of the buildings and machinery, without harming any of the people.
Neo-Vipers: Super-soldiers enhanced by nanotech, so they can’t feel pain or remorse. A mad scientist, known only as the Doctor, creates these soldiers for Destro, who’s horribly disfigured after a fight with Duke. Destro wears a mask made out of nanotechnology, which allows the Doctor, aka Commander, to control his mind.
Invisibility Armor: Scarlett (Rachel Nichols) wears an invisibility armor, wearing it on missions and for fun. Ripcord (Marlon Wayans) has the hots for Scarlett, who says she’ll date him if he can shoot her on an obstacle course. He fails to do so.
Backstory: A backstory involves a romance between Duke (Tatum) and the evil Baroness (Sienna Miller).



Emmm..the “accelerator suits” really don’t bother me…actually gives a good enough reason to why they will probably being doing all this matrix movement…

“nano-bomb” and the purpose of them doesn’t bother me, “neo-vipers” emm not so much either…even the fact that cobra commander is a scientist doesn’t bother me..i mean wasn’t he that in the cartoon (cobra law) But destro, duke’s love story and the rest of the script is very unappealing….F man….first transformers now this….

and did they really have to tell us ripcord will be trying to date scarlet. I mean is that a tidbite or really a major part of the movie?

[CEREBRAL....]

I am calling it now.....Marlon Wayans WILL make some slangish crack like: "Daaaaaamn..........It's LIke we don't get hit with ANY BULLETS EVER!" Ugh.

You forgot to add how Marlon Wayans Box office Gold. Ooops Cancer I mean.


ha ha u really hate Marlon Wayans huh? Ha ha it's really not that serious.....

[terry78]

Destro mind controlled? No. We're not doing that.

[cosmicherosa]

And ya KNOW that there will be some Destro death scene where his eye color reverts to his normal color....realizing that he is dying, and that he apoligizes for his sins. Blech, this movie blows and is very cliche on paper.

[shadowdog]

Nano suits? What? I thought GI Joe was about soldiers left to defend the world with only their wits and their guns to back them up. I don't want to see Snake Eyes doing some tired old Matrix jumpkicks and slowmotion crap-ola!
And why WHY WHY ON EARTH would they have Destro start the movie un-masked and end up being mind-controlled by Cobra Commander? Who cares why he's in the mask? He's an insanely evil villain bent on helping an organization of terrorists take over the world- do we really need to feel sorry for him or understand his human side?
I have totally lost all faith in this movie.
*preemptive Boo!*:cmad:

[CorpusBlack]

All these details except the nanobomb sound like ****.

[CorpusBlack]

Destro mind controlled? No. We're not doing that.

QFMFT man. That's f'n bullsh**.

[Godzilla]

So is Cobra Commander Doctor Mindbender in this movie?
:huh::huh::huh:
Apparently. :(

I believe I'm just going to start ignoring anymore Joe news from now on. This is all just getting very depressing for my tastes.

[CorpusBlack]

Apparently. :(

I believe I'm just going to start ignoring anymore Joe news from now on. This is all just getting very depressing for my tastes.

Did any of these film makers actually watch the series or read the comics? It certainly doesn't ****ing seem that way. **** Sommers.

[shadowdog]

Once again, another Movie that will be ruined by a handful of ridiculous artistic liberties the writers, producers and directors didn't have to take.
ughh, seriously, I have nothing good left to say or even think about this movie

[Heretic]

This movie has become such a travesty to my now raped childhood that I'm no longer angry when I see new info like this. I know the movie will be horrid...Street Fighter horrid...so I'm just going to play it for laughs as much as possible.

[CorpusBlack]

So how long until they reboot the series?

[Heretic]

Hopefully never. I grew up wishing that they would make a Joe film. Even as a kid I had no interest in a goofy, cartoon version of the military team that I waged plastic battles with in my (girlfriend-less) bedroom. especially now that just about every Joe fan is an adult, they could have made an epic war movie with ninja stuff and great characters and the relevant theme of terrorism and made us all proud of the military...but no...we get super suits and non-masks.

[nieman]

Thats the dumbest ish I've heard about this movie. Destro mind-controlled by Cobra Commander? I thought everyone loved Cobra because the different factions were Cobra affiliated, but operated on their own. Destro had Baroness and Mars, Zartan has his ragtag bunch the Dredknoks, only in it for the money, Mindbender was in it for the resources, they were all independent. No we got mind-control, stealth suits, a nano-bomb that would destroy technology....I thought Cobra Commander wants all the top technology so he can terrorize the world and control it, not destroy resources so he could rule a primitive planet. How hard is it to make a movie of a military faction of some of the best soldiers, so they can combat the biggest and most fearful terrorist organization the world has ever seen? Don't they do this in 24 every season?

You know, if they changed just the title of the movie and the characters names, you wouldn't even know it was GI Joe. It could be called something like Alpha Omega Force Soldiers or some weird ish like that and you'd never guess the source material. From what they talking, the only semi-questionable thing would be Snake Eyes, but I bet the way he turns out your won't be able to tell either. At least with Transformers if they changed everyone's names, you still would see that was Spike & Bumblebee, Prime, Jazz, Scorpnok & one of the cassettes

[mr. peasant]

Ironically, the 'mind controlled' plot line everyone is complaining is so 'left field' and 'not true to the comics' was actually lifted from the Marvel run of it.

[Kokoryu1]

Ironically, the 'mind controlled' plot line everyone is complaining is so 'left field' and 'not true to the comics' was actually lifted from the Marvel run of it.

The only person who was actually under mind control in the comics was Storm Shadow after he went to Trans Carpathia to rescue his student Billy (CC's son) and was captured, and even then it was done with Fenderbenders brainwave machine, not nanites.

[miltonh]

So G.I.Joe is filming in Prague but there was an accident today. 7 people injured (1 hard). Here (http://www.blesk.cz/Clanek202526.htm).

[mr. peasant]

The only person who was actually under mind control in the comics was Storm Shadow after he went to Trans Carpathia to rescue his student Billy (CC's son) and was captured, and even then it was done with Fenderbenders brainwave machine, not nanites.

Actually, you're wrong. Destro, Baroness, Zartan, Billy and Storm Shadow were all brainwashed into serving Cobra after they cut their ties with the organization. As for the means to it, Destro and Zartan were mind controlled via brain implants. The use of nanites instead is to minimize the number of Maguffin devices being employed in the movie.

So G.I.Joe is filming in Prague but there was an accident today. 7 people injured (1 hard). Here (http://www.blesk.cz/Clanek202526.htm).

That's sad to hear. Hopefully, they're not too badly injured. Anyone able to translate the article?

[Kokoryu1]

You we're right. It's been awhile since I read my comics, all stored in the basement (so my wife won't throw them out or call me childish), but I vaguely remembered those guys being brainwashed. So I looked and you were correct. But there were never any nanites. If they needed to brainwash folks and control them why not use the brainwave scanner?. Instead they concoct some crap about nanites. Even hypnotism would have been a preferable plot device.

[Mr. Credible]

You we're right. It's been awhile since I read my comics, all stored in the basement (so my wife won't throw them out or call me childish), but I vaguely remembered those guys being brainwashed. So I looked and you were correct. But there were never any nanites. If they needed to brainwash folks and control them why not use the brainwave scanner?. Instead they concoct some crap about nanites. Even hypnotism would have been a preferable plot device.

alright man, now you're complain just for the sake of it.

you complain that "brainwashing isn't in the comics", then, "okay, it is, but only for stormshadow", then, "oh, it is for all those other characters, too, but why nanites instead of implants or brainwave scanners?!"

cry me a river. nanites make more sense, from a sci fi point of view.

[Kokoryu1]

alright man, now you're complain just for the sake of it.

you complain that "brainwashing isn't in the comics", then, "okay, it is, but only for stormshadow", then, "oh, it is for all those other characters, too, but why nanites instead of implants or brainwave scanners?!"

cry me a river. nanites make more sense, from a sci fi point of view.

Not complaining so much as deriding a stupid concept.

Go back to reading your Sgt. Savage, G.I. Joe Extreme Comics and watching Naruto.

[The Avatar]

If Destro is going to be CC's mind slave then they might aswell cut his balls off.

[echostation]

hey the guy's got a point... i've never really read the comics and even though the plotline there about Destro being mind controlled sounds like total crap, if it was ripped straight from the comics then they're being true to the source material at least

[Kokoryu1]

With Cobra Commander not being Cobra Commander till the end of the movie, Baroness being his nanomite controlled sister and Destro getting a nanomite mask from CC/Dr.Mindbender/Rex to fix his burned face also at the end of the movie, they've already gotten way off the comic run. The mind contorl issue came AFTER Destro and Baroness had left Cobra and "retired". Commander decided he wanted Castle Destro back and attacked said castle and coincidentally caught them. He then brainwashed them.

[Kokoryu1]

Maybe because I'm a G.I Joe fan from 1982 and issue #1 and I still am 600+ figures, 100+ vehicles, 350+ comics (sans the Sgt. Savage, Extreme and Sigma 6 fiascos) and 26 years later. So for arguments sake I'll call myself a purist. I suppose I had slightly bigger hopes for this movie. Knowing the stories the way I do I guess can't fathom any real reason for such dramatic change. International Group? I can buy that, it's completley feasible. CC being a doctor instead of the fed up car salesman he was? and Baroness' brother to boot?. I can't condone. Duke and CC being best friends? Duke and Baroness being lovers? Garbage. About the only thing they have right is Destros' origin. So I hope I can be forgiven for expecting the studios to be true to the G.I. Joe Lore that most of us grew up with. How hard could it have been to translate a comic book to the screen without frakking it up? The whole terroism angle is even MORE relevant today than it was in 1982. Modernize don't unecessarily alter the story. If you change too many ingredients in a stew because you want to put your own spin on it you have changed the recipe on the whole. And by the posts I've read in here I am not the only one who feels this way. "Don't fix it if it ain't broke".

[Godzilla]

Yeah, one of the elements I thoroughly enjoyed in both the 1980's animated series, and the Marvel Comics, was the fact that Cobra as an organization, mirrored much like that of organized crime. In which there was much bickering, backstabbing, alliances, alliances broken, hidden agendas, assasination attempts, and even a civil war that at one time or another, errupting within the ranks of Cobra.
And is essentially why I always found myself more interested in what was going on within Cobra, than I was with what was transpiring within the ranks of the Joes.

Why? Because you simply never knew what was going to happen. And that was very entertaining to me. Sure, the whole brainwashing scenario did infact happen in the comics, which was basically a very easy way to get back to the basics, with certain key Cobra member's having defected to the Joes and all, or in Dr. Mindbender's case, simply turned on Cobra Commander following Serpentor's rise to power. But personally, I never found the brainwashing concept as interesting, nor as exciting compared to that of Cobra's previous portrayal.

[mr. peasant]

How hard could it have been to translate a comic book to the screen without frakking it up?

Actually, it is very, very, hard. First off, let's point out the obvious; the comic had hundreds of issues, spanning years to develop and fully flesh out great, complex subplots and histories for each of the major players. The movie, on the other hand, has between 90 to 180 minutes (though I'm betting it won't go much beyond 2 hours) to tell its story from start to finish, covering the central plot, introduce the major characters and all subplots. Then, there's the part where what works in comics doesn't necessarily translate well into other mediums, making it unwise to give a direct translation, especially given the different eras between the original and the adaptation where social norms and politics have changed.

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke".

That's very poor logic. Using that philosophy, things would never improve. Take for example, our internet connection. If we didn't try fixing things that weren't broken, we'd all still be using dial-up. Come to think about it, we wouldn't even have internet since we'd still be swinging from tree to tree, picking berries to eat. Considering monkeys haven't become extinct, it's clear that our pre-hominid ancestors' lifestyle clearly wasn't 'broken' and thus they shouldn't have 'fixed' it by evolving.

[Kokoryu1]

Actually, it is very, very, hard. First off, let's point out the obvious; the comic had hundreds of issues, spanning years to develop and fully flesh out great, complex subplots and histories for each of the major players. The movie, on the other hand, has between 90 to 180 minutes (though I'm betting it won't go much beyond 2 hours) to tell its story from start to finish, covering the central plot, introduce the major characters and all subplots. Then, there's the part where what works in comics doesn't necessarily translate well into other mediums, making it unwise to give a direct translation, especially given the different eras between the original and the adaptation where social norms and politics have changed.

That's very poor logic. Using that philosophy, things would never improve. Take for example, our internet connection. If we didn't try fixing things that weren't broken, we'd all still be using dial-up. Come to think about it, we wouldn't even have internet since we'd still be swinging from tree to tree, picking berries to eat. Considering monkeys haven't become extinct, it's clear that our pre-hominid ancestors' lifestyle clearly wasn't 'broken' and thus they shouldn't have 'fixed' it by evolving.

Interesting point.

1. As far as evolution, that's a natural process. As humans we have little say over whether we grow a third eye for night vision or if we men lose our nipples for lack of use or necessity. We do have reign over our creative process. If we drew an ipod on the Mona Lisa, is that desecration or modernization?. If I rewrote the bible and Moses was emailed the ten commandments from a blogger called the Burning Bush is that sacrilage or artistic license? If Citizen Kane were remade and Rosebud was now a pimped out Coupe de Ville, is that vision or being comtemporary? And please don't try do disavow my examples here. After all you did try to extrude a wanton disregard for change and deevolution from my "If it ain't broke" comment.

2. Terrorism is even MORE relevant today than it was in 1982 when G.I.Joe The Real American Hero line was first introduced. So yes of course times have changed. Until April, 18. 1983, when it really struck home, terrorism was something we saw on tv happening elsewhere. It barley touched the majority of us at home.

3. Maybe you misunderstood what I said. Would it have been too difficult to have Larry Hama script a condensed and sensible version of the comics without writing a story that included every single plot involved in the comics to be made into a screen play? Why not use the first few issues as a basis for the first movie and other stories arcs for subsequent film? As the paying public aren't you worth a little effort by the studios?

4. I never expected a complete and utter translation of the comics. No one does. With budgetary constraints and other variables constantly present that would be impractical. However, successful examples of translations do exist as well as failed attempts. Batman Begins was an excellent Comic translation. Almost dead on. Almost. Some of his back story was edited, Yes. But not so much that you barely recognized the finished product. Fantastic four is a bad example because they mangled the story line too much and involved too much camp. The Crow was and is, in my opinion, the best comic book / movie translation ever because they kept to the core of what drove Erick Draven. Punisher was a horrid translation because they altered his story far too much, read Punisher # 1 and his limited MAXX series and you'll understand actually why he became the Punisher. Transformers was a bad translation in general because of poor story. Had they kept more of the original Tf comic in a better story it would have been. Iron man ,from what info I've been privy to, is going to be an excellent translation because the story is updated for modern times but doesn't dissolve Tony's character with a non sense history that the comic reading populace doesn't recognize (I won't comment on Spiderman and Daredevil because I know so little about them as Batman, Iron Man and Punisher were and still are my favorite comics aside from G.I. Joe). Starship Troopers is my final shining example of too much change. Robert Heinlen would be disgusted if he had seen that trash. Where were the powered suits of armor that were so integral to the story? Why were Key members of the story changed? So much was missing from that farce that to call it Starship troopers is an insult to the Heinlen name. Read the book then watch the movie and you'll see exactly what I mean. So could they have done a decent translation? Most assuredly. This rubbish they're pushing off is completely run of the mill and so diluted that you could literally replace any of the characters rename it and the general public would be none the wiser.

5. Change is fine if only to contemporize a property but a complete altering of it to fit someones "Vision" is unnecessary and will alienate the fanbase. And that is why this endeavor will ultimately fail and may well doom the franchise in doing so.

If you need a hammer and are given a rock, do you accept it? They can both drive a nail but it's not what you expected and you know that inherently the original is better suited for the task at hand. Accept no substitutes.

[mr. peasant]

1. As far as evolution, that's a natural process. As humans we have little say over whether we grow a third eye for night vision or if we men lose our nipples for lack of use or necessity. We do have reign over our creative process. If we drew an ipod on the Mona Lisa, is that desecration or modernization?. If I rewrote the bible and Moses was emailed the ten commandments from a blogger called the Burning Bush is that sacrilage or artistic license? If Citizen Kane were remade and Rosebud was now a pimped out Coupe de Ville, is that vision or being comtemporary? And please don't try do disavow my examples here. After all you did try to extrude a wanton disregard for change and deevolution from my "If it ain't broke" comment.

To put it simply, not all changes are good just as how not all 'unnecessary' changes are bad. Deciding which ones are and aren't is a subjective matter which differs from individual to individual.

2. Terrorism is even MORE relevant today than it was in 1982 when G.I.Joe The Real American Hero line was first introduced. So yes of course times have changed. Until April, 18. 1983, when it really struck home, terrorism was something we saw on tv happening elsewhere. It barley touched the majority of us at home.

No one is saying it isn't (hence why the villains are still a terrorist-like group). However, the producers seemed to be reasoning that making realistic terrorists akin to how Cobra was depicted in the comics is a little 'too real' in that they fear it might cause some discomfort for viewers given the great relevance terrorism has in today's society.

3. Maybe you misunderstood what I said. Would it have been too difficult to have Larry Hama script a condensed and sensible version of the comics without writing a story that included every single plot involved in the comics to be made into a screen play? Why not use the first few issues as a basis for the first movie and other stories arcs for subsequent film? As the paying public aren't you worth a little effort by the studios?

Well, the first few issues were pretty boring character-wise, as they were largely flat and/or unexplained. I agree, they could have done something close to such (though not Hama since as far as I'm aware of, he's not in the WGA). However, they opted not to, which is not to say it's wrong/bad by default. Even the changes aren't so 'unforgivable' to me concept-wise. It boils down to its execution.

It's funny you mentioned Batman Begins as being a good example of a comic translation. I found it greatly altered the character. For instance, Batman is now a 'ninja' (in a matter of speaking), participated in serious criminal activity (which he wouldn't comic-wise, if not directly needed as part of his vigilantism) and was trained by the League of Assassins/Shadows. Even so, I will admit the character was fairly accurate behavior-wise once pass the 'origins' phase. That said, the only changes we've had in G.I. Joe not derived from comic source material are actually a few characters' origins as well. Finally, it's worth pointing out movies that severely deviated from the source material can be good as well. A shining example of such was the original Blade movie as well its sequel (not the third one).

If you need a hammer and are given a rock, do you accept it? They can both drive a nail but it's not what you expected and you know that inherently the original is better suited for the task at hand. Accept no substitutes.

The thing is, until we actually see the finished product, we don't know whether what we received is indeed a rock or a nail gun.

[Kokoryu1]

QUOTE: To put it simply, not all changes are good just as how not all 'unnecessary' changes are bad. Deciding which ones are and aren't is a subjective matter which differs from individual to individual. QUOTE.

Considering the post I've read here concerning the changes it appears the majority of folks are unhappy and have decided the changes are remarkably unnecessary. But to conciliate your view I propose a vote.
To anyone reading this post. Please consider what you know of this movie in comparison to what you know of G.I. Joe canon and vote Yay, Nay, or Wait and see, concerning the changes.


QUOTE:No one is saying it isn't (hence why the villains are still a terrorist-like group). However, the producers seemed to be reasoning that making realistic terrorists akin to how Cobra was depicted in the comics is a little 'too real' in that they fear it might cause some discomfort for viewers given the great relevance terrorism has in today's society.QUOTE.

Are you implying that a large body of megalomaniacal individuals who wear blue uniforms embazoned with a Snakes head caricature and following the orders of a silver masked and leather clad hierarchy could be considered a realistic portrayal of a terrorist organization? I think the good people of Ireland and the Middle East would disagree.


QUOTE:Well, the first few issues were pretty boring character-wise, as they were largely flat and/or unexplained. I agree, they could have done something close to such (though not Hama since as far as I'm aware of, he's not in the WGA). However, they opted not to, which is not to say it's wrong/bad by default. Even the changes aren't so 'unforgivable' to me concept-wise. It boils down to its execution.QUOTE.

Boring? " Deciding which ones are and aren't is a subjective matter that differs from individual to individual ". Sound familiar?. Before you gripe and say I'm using your words out of context let me say I agree with you on this as nearly EVERYTHING is subjective. But don't attempt to stifle ones' right to chose. Boring you say? There are more a than fair amount of comic book collectors who actively seek out the first "boring" issues of this iconic property. It would have been trivial matter for Hama to join the WGA. Having Hama write the story could've been done before hand. Joining the WGA would simply have been a formality. And by no means am I saying that change is wrong by default, but change for no reason is just plain stupid. And seeing such severe alterations gives me, as well as others, little hope for it successful execution.


QUOTE:It's funny you mentioned Batman Begins as being a good example of a comic translation. I found it greatly altered the character. For instance, Batman is now a 'ninja' (in a matter of speaking), participated in serious criminal activity (which he wouldn't comic-wise, if not directly needed as part of his vigilantism) and was trained by the League of Assassins/Shadows. Even so, I will admit the character was fairly accurate behavior-wise once pass the 'origins' phase. That said, the only changes we've had in G.I. Joe not derived from comic source material are actually a few characters' origins as well. Finally, it's worth pointing out movies that severely deviated from the source material can be good as well. A shining example of such was the original Blade movie as well its sequel (not the third one).QUOTE

Batman began his physical and mental conditioning when he was 11.
Began intense physical training and weight lifting at age 12.
Trained in the US for various martial arts for 3 years.
Became 2st and 3nd degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido by the time he was 17.
At 18 left US to further study martial arts under specialized masters.
Other skills: savate, kungfu, blind fighting
With few exceptions, the non-metahuman known as the Batman is a superbly trained and highly experienced fighting machine. Mastering the world's most lethal martial arts disciplines, he is considered to be the best martial artist in the world.

So it would seem the ninja aspect is plausible. And while his history was altered somewhat, the basis behind his unwavering need for justice still lies with the death of his parents. His core character wasn't changed. In the G.I Joe movie, histories are completely disregarded.

*Baroness hates Snake Eyes because she believed he had killed her brother in Viet Nam. This made her angry and eventually what drove her to become a terrorist.
*Cobra Commander was a used car salesman & small businessman who also wanted Snake Eyes dead because CC's big brother Dan, who was shafted by the "system" and turned to drinking, died in a head on collision along with Snake Eyes family while drunk driving. CC blamed the only survivng member of the family for it, Snake eyes.
*Destro's history is pretty much straight on.
* Snake Eyes was a soldier who served in nam with Stalker and Storm Shadow. The day he returned home his family including his twin sister Theresa were all killed in car crash on their way to pick him up from the airport. Angry he traveled the country being a vigilante with some dude who turned out to be a pre-Cobra Cobra Commander. One night they brokeinto the house of the judge who had driven CC's brother to drink. He told Snake eyes tokill him and whn Snke refused CC shot hteman himself and left Snake there. SE wound up with the only family he had, Storm Shadows Arashikage clan.

I won't go into too much detail but the others' backgrounds are just as varied. This seems like a very involved and deep story line which had a profound effect on who the characters are. No I don't expect a verbatim adaptation, but would a reasonable facsimile be too much? In the end the story on screen isn't from the source material. Blade was a character with whom the public at large knew little to nothing of. And it was a decent translation. Some continuity issues but still decent.

QUOTE:The thing is, until we actually see the finished product, we don't know whether what we received is indeed a rock or a nail gun.QUOTE.

Do you need to hear the fire alarm before you put out the fire in front of you?
This script is "crooked tracks", and no train runs right on crooked tracks.


Like I said, Accept no substitutes.

[mr. peasant]

Okay, reagarding my comment on the first few issues being 'boring', it's a personal opinion. As for the people trying hard to collect those very first few issues you speak of, many of them are collectors and aren't into it for the stories but as investments. I doubt many of them would be reading original prints of them.

The main switch in Baroness' story (as far as the details we know) is that instead of Snake Eyes, her anger is aimed at Duke (her fiance?) after the apparent death of her brother. Hence, the triggering event is by and large unchanged but merely who her anger is directed at.

As for Blade, there was a huge change; namely the introduction of Whistler. Whistler's addition changed Blade's entire character dynamics as it provided him a mentor figure where previously there was none. What was more, his personality was changed from a talkative boast to a more stoic and quiet individual.

Finally, the comment regarding the public knowing 'little to nothing' about Blade can be extended to G.I. Joe (to an extent). While most are familiar with the title, lots don't know the specifics beyond superficial stuff such as 'Cobra Commander is the main villain' and maybe the 'Snake Eyes - Storm Shadow conflict'. Rather, the majority of the lay public are most familiar with the Sunbow cartoons, which did little to establish most of the 'canon' you are referring to, which isn't even accurate as far as 'original canon' goes regarding G.I. Joe. In fact, the whole RAH concept was a reboot.

[Blade X]

My quick thoughts.

1. I have no problem with the Accelerator Suits because (a) this is similar to the Sigma suits used in Sigma 6 (b) the real life military is actually working on similar suits and (c) the G.I. JOE team is supposed to be a special high tech special unit of the military who's tech is always far more advanced then the normal/standard military tech.

2. I have no problem with either the nano bombs or the Neo Vipers.

3. The only character who should have invisibility armor/tech is Zartan. So I am NOT happy about Scarlet having invisibility armor.

4. I have no problem with Ripcord having the hots for Scarlet as long as they DO NOT end up dating/falling in love. Scarlet and Snake Eyes should fall in love/be together.

5. Duke and Baroness SHOULD NOT be in love or have had a past relationship.

6. I have no problem with Cobra Commander mind controlling the other Cobra agents AS LONG AS those agents joined him initially of their OWN FREE WILLS and he is only mind controlling them in order to guarantee that they stay loyal to him. The only member of Cobra who SHOULD BE mind controlled in order to make him join Cobra is Storm Shadow.

[gkokujin]

Nanobomb = Nude Bomb + Maxwell Smart.


Dear God this just keeps getting worse and worse everytime I read stuff.

why do I sense that Marlon will be probably the best thing in this movie, next to the confrontation between snake eyes and Stormshadow?

[cosmicherosa]

And you know there will be some garbage scene wear a female Joe will be come mind-controlled, and a male Joe will have to plead with her and yell "You are a JOE!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". It will be similar to the mind control scene from the Naked Gun, with (Insert COBRA villian name) falling from a tower, and a Hiss tank squishing them.....and Ripcord going "DDDDDDDDDDDDDAMN! That s*** is Wack!"

[thegameq]

Ugh! why does everyone try to turn these things into rocket science?

It's fantasy, plain and simple! If they can make a Spider-man, Iron Man, etc. movie they can make a GI Joe movie closer to the source material. The key is fantasy!

This is really getting old fast!--Then they try to spin the old "general audience" excuse for the terrible cliched changes. General audiences love fantasy films just as much as we do (and they show it with their wallets), so that excuse gets lamer every time I hear it.

You see it happening to so many fantasy properties you have to wonder what is the point of acquiring the license to such fantastic fantasy driven properties if studios are to afraid to take creative risks with them.

Is it really so hard to take a more creative approach to these films?

[gkokujin]

the lack of american flags on their costumes GREATLY disturbs me

[Heretic]

Ugh! why does everyone try to turn these things into rocket science?

It's fantasy, plain and simple! If they can make a Spider-man, Iron Man, etc. movie they can make a GI Joe movie closer to the source material. The key is fantasy!

This is really getting old fast!--Then they try to spin the old "general audience" excuse for the terrible cliched changes. General audiences love fantasy films just as much as we do (and they show it with their wallets), so that excuse gets lamer every time I hear it.

You see it happening to so many fantasy properties you have to wonder what is the point of acquiring the license to such fantastic fantasy driven properties if studios are to afraid to take creative risks with them.

Is it really so hard to take a more creative approach to these films?

Actually, GI Joe doesnt really call for much fantasy, and they went ahead an added it anyway. Theres nothing difficult about "terrorist group tries to take over the world/topple US government and a group of soldiers are chosen to fight them". You dont need mind control or invisibility suits to tell that story.

[CorpusBlack]

I've officially stopped caring about this movie.

[Raiden]

Actually, GI Joe doesnt really call for much fantasy, and they went ahead an added it anyway. Theres nothing difficult about "terrorist group tries to take over the world/topple US government and a group of soldiers are chosen to fight them". You dont need mind control or invisibility suits to tell that story.

Yeah, I don't want mind control in this movie. That's a bunch of BS.

[mr. peasant]

Actually, GI Joe doesnt really call for much fantasy, and they went ahead an added it anyway. Theres nothing difficult about "terrorist group tries to take over the world/topple US government and a group of soldiers are chosen to fight them". You dont need mind control or invisibility suits to tell that story.

But G.I. Joe is heavily steeped in sci fi. Take a look at the MASS device, the Weather Dominator and the other Maguffin devices employed. Most, if not all aren't possible with today's technology much less with what they had back then. Hence, this makes G.I. Joe fall within a 'soft' science fiction. Most of the technology being used in the movie is actually being seriously researched at this point in time.

[Mal'Akai]

But G.I. Joe is heavily steeped in sci fi. Take a look at the MASS device, the Weather Dominator and the other Maguffin devices employed. Most, if not all aren't possible with today's technology much less with what they had back then. Hence, this makes G.I. Joe fall within a 'soft' science fiction. Most of the technology being used in the movie is actually being seriously researched at this point in time.
You can add the Corba-La to that list as well. Especially when you concider characters like Nemesis Enforcer & Golobulus. Not to mention Zartan's abilities and the fact that they all shot at each other with lasers!!

Almost forgot these guys.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/mkrolfe/BAT-1.jpg

[Heretic]

Okay, let me speak for 90% of GI Joe fandom here...

Cobra-La doesnt count. It was a mistake that should be wiped off the face of the canon. In fact, I dont recall them being featured in the comic, which is the most canonical part. The cartoons "dont count" or as I like to say "didnt really happen".

...end of me speaking for everyone...

There were some aspects that were kind of sci fi...Flash being the laser tropper comes to mind, as foes B.A.T.S. Personally, I think the more sci fi the toys got, the more it weakened the prosuct. Eco-Warriors? I dont even like that Zartan can change colors.

Not that I'm the be all and end all of Joe fans...I just always preferred the bullets being shot in teh comic over the lasers being fired into the air of the cartoon.

[Mal'Akai]

Okay, let me speak for 90% of GI Joe fandom here...

Cobra-La doesnt count. It was a mistake that should be wiped off the face of the canon. In fact, I dont recall them being featured in the comic, which is the most canonical part. The cartoons "dont count" or as I like to say "didnt really happen".

...end of me speaking for everyone...

There were some aspects that were kind of sci fi...Flash being the laser tropper comes to mind, as foes B.A.T.S. Personally, I think the more sci fi the toys got, the more it weakened the prosuct. Eco-Warriors? I dont even like that Zartan can change colors.

Not that I'm the be all and end all of Joe fans...I just always preferred the bullets being shot in teh comic over the lasers being fired into the air of the cartoon.
So only the comics count? Get real. The cartoon was a huge part of it, especially for me. and I would imagine many of the other people here were huge fans of the cartoon.

[Heretic]

Thats great that you liked the cartoon...but seeing as to how it flat out contradicted the comic in many ways and made very little sense at times (Snowjob, Recondo and Deep Six going on a desert mission without a change of outfits with Dusty nowhere to be found...actually that never happened but stuff like it did.)

You can like the cartoon all day, but it "doesnt count" any more than the X-Men cartoon counts as official X-Men lore.

[Mal'Akai]

Thats great that you liked the cartoon...but seeing as to how it flat out contradicted the comic in many ways and made very little sense at times (Snowjob, Recondo and Deep Six going on a desert mission without a change of outfits with Dusty nowhere to be found...actually that never happened but stuff like it did.)

You can like the cartoon all day, but it "doesnt count" any more than the X-Men cartoon counts as official X-Men lore.
I'd have to say your example is a bit off. There are far more people who's only real exposure to G.I. Joe was the cartoon than X-Men. But keep in mind, both were created to market the toys. G.I. Joe started out as a toy line, and it has always been about the toys. But to say, the cartoon doesn't count, in this case, would be like saying that the Thundercats and He-Man cartoons don't count.

[mr. peasant]

You can like the cartoon all day, but it "doesnt count" any more than the X-Men cartoon counts as official X-Men lore.

There is a reason why X-Men's comic's canon always trumps its cartoon counterparts; namely that its original source material were those very comics while the cartoon is an adaptation of it. On the other hand, G.I. Joe's original source material are action figures. Both, the comic and cartoons were released around the same time and based on/adapted from those action figures.

[Mal'Akai]

There is a reason why X-Men's comic's canon always trumps its cartoon counterparts; namely that its original source material were those very comics while the cartoon is an adaptation of it. On the other hand, G.I. Joe's original source material are action figures. Both, the comic and cartoons were released around the same time and based on/adapted from those action figures.
Bingo.

[Heretic]

Youre still wrong.

The initial Gi Joe comic run debuted before the cartoon and lasted 155 iddues, not counting annuals and spin-offs, which is more "episodes" over way more years than the cartoon lasted. This does not include the Sigma Six stuff nor the Dark Horse or current comics.

Also, the file cards would certainly be the true mythology and the original source, and Larry Hama wrote the cards...and the comics...but not the cartoons.

So, call me crazy, but Im siding with larry hama as the official writer of the Joe mythology. Of course, if you go with the cartoon, Snake-Eyes is a bit player who is much of a fighter, Scarlet is in love with Duke, and Shipwreck and Bazooka are two of the most important members of the team.

[Mal'Akai]

Youre still wrong.

The initial Gi Joe comic run debuted before the cartoon and lasted 155 iddues, not counting annuals and spin-offs, which is more "episodes" over way more years than the cartoon lasted. This does not include the Sigma Six stuff nor the Dark Horse or current comics.

Also, the file cards would certainly be the true mythology and the original source, and Larry Hama wrote the cards...and the comics...but not the cartoons.

So, call me crazy, but Im siding with larry hama as the official writer of the Joe mythology. Of course, if you go with the cartoon, Snake-Eyes is a bit player who is much of a fighter, Scarlet is in love with Duke, and Shipwreck and Bazooka are two of the most important members of the team.
Well then, be sure to thank the comics for the costumes being worn in the movie.

[Heretic]

Really? Because I dont recall seeing those costumes in the Real American Hero run of the comic...Ive seen a lot about this movie that will suck...and none of it stems from the comics.

[Mal'Akai]

Really? Because I dont recall seeing those costumes in the Real American Hero run of the comic...Ive seen a lot about this movie that will suck...and none of it stems from the comics.
http://joereloaded.com/home.htm
Click "Test Shots" and you will see what I'm talking about. The whole Joe:Reloaded/Cobra:Reborn series is where the Storm Shadow design came from, where Snake-Eyes got his baggy pants, and why Scarlet isn't wearing tights. And it's a comic, so it counts.

[mr. peasant]

Youre still wrong.

The initial Gi Joe comic run debuted before the cartoon and lasted 155 iddues, not counting annuals and spin-offs, which is more "episodes" over way more years than the cartoon lasted. This does not include the Sigma Six stuff nor the Dark Horse or current comics.

Also, the file cards would certainly be the true mythology and the original source, and Larry Hama wrote the cards...and the comics...but not the cartoons.

So, call me crazy, but Im siding with larry hama as the official writer of the Joe mythology. Of course, if you go with the cartoon, Snake-Eyes is a bit player who is much of a fighter, Scarlet is in love with Duke, and Shipwreck and Bazooka are two of the most important members of the team.

Speaking about the comics, it's a known fact that comic mythos do periodically reboot, which isn't necessarily a bad thing by default. A shining example of rebooting things right is Superman's archnemesis Lex Luthor. If you were a stickler to the original, Lex Luthor would be a red-haired mad scientist as opposed to the far more popular and preferred bald billionaire that he is now.

Also to note, the G.I. Joe comic of Hama's creation wasn't originally intended to be G.I. Joe but was a proposed comic series depicting a commando unit led by Fury's son against HYDRA. It was only when his proposal was axed that Hama inserted his idea into the G.I. Joe comic. If you stick to original/non-altered material as stated in his file card, Snake Eyes would neither be a ninja nor hold any particular excellence in martial arts (at least not the way he does in the comics) let alone have a connection with Storm Shadow.

[Heretic]

The file card on Snake Eyes is hardly an issue. The Joes themselves knew very little about the guy, so it added to the mystery.

And what is this about Gi Joe Reborn??? I'm talking Gi Joe: A Real American Hero. I'm talking the classic 80's. Some company can take those characters and trn them into aliens, it still wont affect that this movie should be based on the 80's era of Joe.

[Mal'Akai]

The file card on Snake Eyes is hardly an issue. The Joes themselves knew very little about the guy, so it added to the mystery.

And what is this about Gi Joe Reborn??? I'm talking Gi Joe: A Real American Hero. I'm talking the classic 80's. Some company can take those characters and trn them into aliens, it still wont affect that this movie should be based on the 80's era of Joe.
You yourself said the filecards were an issue, now they're not. Make up your mind.

On a side note, thing that should show up in the films because they are in the comics.
Billy, Cobra Commander's son.
Zartan assuming Rip Cord's identity.
A giant Cobra robot reaking havok int G.I. Joe HQ.
Snake-Eys is seen without his mask.
Zartan kills Serpentor.

[Heretic]

No, the filecard for SNAKE EYES isnt an issue. When I was a kid and it was revealed in the comics that he was a ninja and blah blah blah, I simply explained it to myself that the Joes themseleves didnt know much about Snake Eyes and basically just went with the info that Stalker knew about him (military training etc). I kept all of the filecards on hand during my years collecting the toys and would refer to them often in order to enhance my battles with the toys (GOOD LORD I WAS A DORK!!!!) and it never bothered me that Snake Eyes filecard didnt have all of his info...hes a mystery man...it shouldnt reveal everything.

As far as the other things you listed...
Serpentor isnt in the film as far as I know...I cant stand the character personally...but if they have him in a sequel, then sure, have Zartan kill him.
Snake Eyes face was shown unscarred while he was wearing shades and stuff in flashback scenes...I actually would have no problem with them showing his full face before he got burned.
Billy was a cool character...but not as cool as Quinn...in fact...I want Scarface in the movie!!!

[Hypestyle]

too bad that Stalker isn't in the film (yet?).. he had legitimate history with Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes back in vietnam-- updated to the Gulf War here I guess..

[Heretic]

That is a violent rape against my childhood. Stalker was one of the most important Joes on the team. Except in the cartoon, where Snake Eyes origin really didnt matter and Stalker was a bit player in one season.

[Mal'Akai]

No, the filecard for SNAKE EYES isnt an issue. When I was a kid and it was revealed in the comics that he was a ninja and blah blah blah, I simply explained it to myself that the Joes themseleves didnt know much about Snake Eyes and basically just went with the info that Stalker knew about him (military training etc). I kept all of the filecards on hand during my years collecting the toys and would refer to them often in order to enhance my battles with the toys (GOOD LORD I WAS A DORK!!!!) and it never bothered me that Snake Eyes filecard didnt have all of his info...hes a mystery man...it shouldnt reveal everything.

As far as the other things you listed...
Serpentor isnt in the film as far as I know...I cant stand the character personally...but if they have him in a sequel, then sure, have Zartan kill him.
Snake Eyes face was shown unscarred while he was wearing shades and stuff in flashback scenes...I actually would have no problem with them showing his full face before he got burned.
Billy was a cool character...but not as cool as Quinn...in fact...I want Scarface in the movie!!!
But what about the giant Cobra robot???

[Heretic]

Im not really recalling a giant Cobra robot from the marvel run of the comic...but Im sure something idiotic like that would be possible as a toy tie in (I cant think of any giant robot toys either).

I assume GI Joe is in a weird position with technology...I expect(ed) the series and toys to be slightly ahead of what we had available. I was kind of okay with the BATS and other hi tech stuff...actually it bothered me much more that Roadblock was firing two huge machine guns at once because I didnt think that was possible. Dont get me started on Zartan changing colors...

[Mal'Akai]

Im not really recalling a giant Cobra robot from the marvel run of the comic...but Im sure something idiotic like that would be possible as a toy tie in (I cant think of any giant robot toys either).
http://www.yojoe.com/comics/joe/joe3.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/comics/joe/joe3.shtml)

I assume GI Joe is in a weird position with technology...I expect(ed) the series and toys to be slightly ahead of what we had available. I was kind of okay with the BATS and other hi tech stuff...actually it bothered me much more that Roadblock was firing two huge machine guns at once because I didnt think that was possible. Dont get me started on Zartan changing colors...
Wasn't it in the comics? Oh, and you have to have a Transformers cross-over as well.

[Heretic]

Oh yeah! That was ridiculous! thats funny...and from the comics! Even larry hama had some boneheaded ideas...

But like I said, I can understand Cobra being ahead of the real world technologically. I am sure that our current government has advanced technology that we dont know about. that robot in the comics just looks stupid, but otherwise, Im cool with tech advances that arent just WAY WAY stupid. Cobra-La would be over the top, for instance. Actually so would Serpentor, and like isaid, i hated him.

[Kokoryu1]

No matter how you slice it, this movie is going to blow chunks.

[Blade X]

And what is this about Gi Joe Reborn??? I'm talking Gi Joe: A Real American Hero. I'm talking the classic 80's. Some company can take those characters and trn them into aliens, it still wont affect that this movie should be based on the 80's era of Joe.


True, not to mention the fact that G.I. JOE RELOADED was a sales flop that is pretty much ignored and forgotten by Hasbro and many JOE fans.

[Kokoryu1]

Screw Reborn, Sgt. Savage, Sigma Sux, Eco warriors, Ninja Wars and Extreme. They were all crap. They had a chance to do the right thing with this movie but they refused to do so. The folks who wrote this turd have never picked up an issue of the comic or spoke to Larry Hama. Larry was there to give his opinion and then to be ignored.

[mr. peasant]

Screw Reborn, Sgt. Savage, Sigma Sux, Eco warriors, Ninja Wars and Extreme. They were all crap. They had a chance to do the right thing with this movie but they refused to do so. The folks who wrote this turd have never picked up an issue of the comic or spoke to Larry Hama. Larry was there to give his opinion and then to be ignored.

That is a very strong accusation you're making. As far as we know, we've had no solid information either way regarding the magnitude of Hama's work. The only thing mentioned was that the movie had his approval. Furthermore, it's impossible to say what is actually the 'right' thing to do, that the movie version (which is set in a separate universe and not related to either the cartoon or the comic continuities) will be utter rubbish to the audience or that the comic version would be well received by anyone other than those fans wanting an exact, word for word rendition of the comics onto the cinema screen.

[Antrax255]

Why are they making G.I. Joe into a team of super armor soldiers I mean come on they are simply human soldiers not the X-men G.I. Joe by todays standards is the easiest of all adaptations being that it is already grounded in reality.

[Kokoryu1]

That is a very strong accusation you're making. As far as we know, we've had no solid information either way regarding the magnitude of Hama's work. The only thing mentioned was that the movie had his approval. Furthermore, it's impossible to say what is actually the 'right' thing to do, that the movie version (which is set in a separate universe and not related to either the cartoon or the comic continuities) will be utter rubbish to the audience or that the comic version would be well received by anyone other than those fans wanting an exact, word for word rendition of the comics onto the cinema screen.

A word of warning for the pseudo intellectualls. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one and they all stink.

Mr. Peasant you are welcome to your wait and see stance. But those of us who tend to try to make some semblence of order from chaos don't often induldge in that luxury. Do you have to see the lights of the train to get the off the tracks?

You are quick to quote me and try to nay say my "opinion". Everytime I happen to log on to SSH I see something I've written in quotations and beneath that a statement written by you denouncing or over-analyzing my opinion. Here it is again so you can finally get the point "MY OPINION". These are my opinions, mostly.

Read the posts in here if you think I'm the vocal minority. Some say they couldn't apply the original RAH mythos as the characters pasts and storline? Why not? Are the writers in Hollywood so busy or inept that they can't read a few issuses of a comic and then translate it to a script? That's tantamount to putting a regular basket ball in front of someone and telling them to describe it on paper. Hmmm..Round and orange with black stripes. Doesn't seem too difficult. Of course some will describe the grip bumps and others the pin hole but in general anyone who reads the desciptive will know what it is. The work's been done for you. More transcribing than anything else.

Change to contemporize, not personalize. Alter to modernize, not unecessary revise.

When was the last time you actually read a G.I. Joe RAH comic? For that matter are you even a fan? These questions arise from MY OPINION.

Pure and simple, this movie is gonna suck. In my opinion.

[mr. peasant]

A word of warning for the pseudo intellectualls. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one and they all stink.

Mr. Peasant you are welcome to your wait and see stance. But those of us who tend to try to make some semblence of order from chaos don't often induldge in that luxury. Do you have to see the lights of the train to get the off the tracks?

You are quick to quote me and try to nay say my "opinion". Everytime I happen to log on to SSH I see something I've written in quotations and beneath that a statement written by you denouncing or over-analyzing my opinion. Here it is again so you can finally get the point "MY OPINION". These are my opinions, mostly.

I apologize if I singled you out. It was never my intention to do so. I, for the most part mainly read the comments without it really registering in my head which poster said what.

While you're very much welcome to your opinion, I simply think it's worth remembering that there is normally a reason behind decisions, even bad ones. Likewise, there has to be a reason why all adapted movies aren't ever completely faithful to the franchise it is adapting from (with the exception of remakes). Maybe it is due to lack of investor confidence? Maybe the writers feel the pacing of the original stories isn't suitable for the movies? Maybe it's the fear that being too faithful will alienate the non-fans? I know these are all merely speculations, of which I don't assert any are the actual reasons. I'm merely pointing out the possibilities and that there is likely some logic behind the decisions the filmmakers have made. They're not going to make them on a whim, especially with hundreds of millions at stake.

As for the majority/minority view here, it doesn't really matter since the population in this forum, let alone this thread, is too small and skewed to provide an accurate representation of the opinion of the total audience that the movie is trying to reach.

[Fettdave]

Why are they making G.I. Joe into a team of super armor soldiers I mean come on they are simply human soldiers not the X-men G.I. Joe by todays standards is the easiest of all adaptations being that it is already grounded in reality.

Hey, at least it's black armor. Remember the series of figures that came out toward the end if the original run with the orange and yellow play-doh armor molds. Wouldn't that look great in the movie!

http://www.yojoe.com/action/93/93card/gungho5.jpg

Actually, I think that is actually Brendan Fraiser's suit for the movie!

[forsakenfilmz]

Wow x-men 4! The costume suck! Baroness has sunglasses. Storm Shadow looks like he's going out to dinner. Hawk looks like Flint. The Joes look like Cobra!!!! ALL BLACK costumes< NO FLAGS! There is no camo, ok... Covergirl. I am making a fan film, it's costing me about 5000 and my movie costume look amazing to this. I'm really upset that Hollywood has to screw up. O yeah why is Duke brown hair?

[mr. peasant]

As stated many times already, the reason for the 'all black, no camo' look is twofold. Firstly, there's the preconceived Hollywood notion that 'black = cool'. Secondly, it is the design that the real military developers are going with in designing military uniforms as part of the Future Soldier projects. In fact, their designs are somewhat reminiscent of that pictured below:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_01/robocop0904_468x591.jpg

As for Antrax255's comment about G.I. Joe being grounded in reality, that's only partly true. For the most part, G.I. Joe technology always fell within the realm of science fiction. From the cartoon's Synthoid technology (essentially a form of nanobot technology before the latter term became commonly used) to the jet packs, etc. Joes and Cobras used, a lot of it were derived from experimental technology (if not entirely from the creators' imagination). Hence, it's no surprise that the movie Joes will be similarly equipped with the latest experimental technology currently in research.

[Heretic]

Since theres a suit that creates invisibility for Scarlet, then why not a flaming suit for Flint, and stretch suit for Duke and a rock suit for Ripcord?

Oh yeah...those suits would make the team seem too much like superheroes. The ones that just have them jump really high, run super fast and become bulletproof are fine...

(saracasm mode turned off)

[Mal'Akai]

Since theres a suit that creates invisibility for Scarlet, then why not a flaming suit for Flint, and stretch suit for Duke and a rock suit for Ripcord?

Oh yeah...those suits would make the team seem too much like superheroes. The ones that just have them jump really high, run super fast and become bulletproof are fine...

(saracasm mode turned off)
I wonder how you would feel if these details had originated in the comics. You know, seeing as how the comics are the gospel as far as you're concerned.

[Heretic]

I would have hated it...heck, the toys are more "real" than the comics, and I hated Eco-Warriors and other nonsense like that.

I'm a purist. I want a military unit fighting a homegrown terrosist group. That shouldnt be too much to ask.

[Mal'Akai]

I would have hated it...heck, the toys are more "real" than the comics, and I hated Eco-Warriors and other nonsense like that.

I'm a purist. I want a military unit fighting a homegrown terrosist group. That shouldnt be too much to ask.
So you feel they should only use specific comic source material, which you presonaly approve of, to make this movie. Got it.