Group of preachers claim planned parenthood are racists!

[Memphis Slim]

Pastors Accuse Planned Parenthood for 'Genocide' on Blacks

Thursday, April 24, 2008
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos


WASHINGTON — The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has perpetuated a “genocide on the black community,” says a group of African-American pastors who claimed Thursday the birth control and abortion provider has had a racist agenda since its beginnings in 1921.
Holding a brief vigil and press conference in front of a Planned Parenthood (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html#) clinic in Washington, D.C., the group of pastors and activists said they were incensed by the results of recent “undercover” inquiries into several Planned Parenthood clinics across the country.

“Every day … over 1,500 black babies are murdered inside the black woman’s womb,” said Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, of Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND). “This is a race issue.”

The pastors urged Congress (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html#) to initiate an audit of the organization and have written letters demanding that money for Planned Parenthood be eliminated from federal Title X funding, of which the group got $65 million for fiscal year 2007, according to pro-life Concerned Women of America. In total, Planned Parenthood received $300 million in government contracts and grants in the current fiscal year.
The national office of Planned Parenthood provided FOX News with a lengthy statement on Thursday in which it said its role in the African-American community is widespread because the need is greater.

“The (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) revealed that a shocking number of teenage African-American girls — nearly half — carry a sexually transmitted infection," reads the statement. "This compares to an overall average rate for all teenage girls of at least one in four.
“The largest increases in the teen birthrate were reported for non-Hispanic black teens, whose overall rate rose five percent in 2006. In addition, African-American women are more likely to die of breast cancer than the general population,” it said.

But an investigation, undertaken by students at the University of California at Los Angeles (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html#) newspaper, The Advocate, revealed troubling responses from Planned Parenthood staffers when asked by an actor, posing as a “donor,” if he could earmark his contribution for abortions for “black babies” only.

In one example, Autumn Kersey, vice president for marketing at Planned Parenthood of Idaho, is asked whether a donation can be specified “to help a minority group … like the black community, for example.”
“Certainly,” Kersey says in a taped response in which she sounds genuinely encouraged by the offer. “If you wanted to designate that your gift be used to help an African-American woman in need, then we would certainly make sure the gift as earmarked for that purpose.”
The caller responds: “Great, because I really faced trouble with affirmative action, and I don’t want my kids to be disadvantaged against black kids. I just had a baby; I want to put it in his name.”
Kersey responds, “Absolutely.”

The "donor" proceeds to proclaim that “the less black kids out there the better,” followed by, “understandable, understandable,” by Kersey, who laughed as if he were joking.

“Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time that I’ve had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I’m excited and want to make sure I don’t leave anything out,” she is recorded saying.

Kersey's and other statements were culled from calls to Planned Parenthood clinics in six states. In each, the staff person answering the call expressed an interest in taking the donations despite the caller’s overtly racist commentary.
That is part of a troubling trend, say critics, who accuse Planned Parenthood of targeting minority neighborhoods. They blame the institution for a disproportionate rate of abortions among black women.
“I think the media, and I think America, and certainly black folks, need to start thinking about race and Planned Parenthood, said Rev. Clenard Childress, who raised the question, not for the first time, about Planned Parenthood’s founder, Margaret Sanger, who died over 40 years ago at the age of 86.
Sanger, a pioneering advocate for universal access to birth control for women, was also a proponent of “eugenics,” a philosophy that advocates social intervention, like birth control and abortion, for "improving" the hereditary traits of the human race. According to biographies written about Sanger, who was the sixth child of 11 eleven born to a rigid Catholic family in upstate New York, her support for this practice was focused on the “unfit” and the poor — slum dwellers — as they were called at the time, by making contraceptives more available there.

Over the years, comments made by Sanger about reproduction among the poor and minorities have led to her reputation as a racist and a belief that she wanted to “weed” out blacks from society. Planned Parenthood has disputed that caricature and has pointed out her supporters in the black community, including Martin Luther King (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html#) Jr., and W.E.B DuBois.

Nevertheless, Childress and others repeatedly invoked her name as a major force behind a century-long “genocide” on the black community.
According to a report released by the group of Students for Life America on Tuesday, black women are 4.8 times more likely to have an abortion than white women, while the black population in the U.S. is in decline. Black women account for 36 percent of those having abortions in the U.S. today, according to group, while black children make up 17 percent of live births.

“Contrary to the public’s belief that Planned Parenthood is helpful and supportive of family planning and the health of the mother and child, recent news and research show that the roots of its foundation have continued to give birth to continual hatred and disdain for minorities that its founder saw as 'unfit,'” the group says in its report.
In its response, Planned Parenthood emphasized that 97 percent of its services are focused on providing contraceptives, breast and cervical cancer screenings and sexually transmitted disease testing and treatment — not abortions.
“Those services are more important than ever as this country faces a health care crisis — too many women can't afford birth control, too many families don’t have adequate health insurance coverage and too many young people are faced with unintended pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections,” the organization said. “As a safety-net provider, it is Planned Parenthood's mission to provide women, men and teens with affordable access to reproductive health care services and information, regardless of income.”
Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood of Idaho apologized in February for the comments made by its staff during the UCLA (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html#) student investigation.
“A fundraising employee violated the organization’s principles and practices when she appeared to be willing to accept a racially motivated donation,” said the Idaho-based organization told the Idaho Statesman. “We apologize for the manner in which this offensive call was handled. We take full responsibility for the actions of the fundraising staff member who created the impression that racism of any form would be tolerated at Planned Parenthood. We took swift action to ensure that each of our employees understands their responsibility to communicate clearly with donors about the fact that we believe in helping all individuals, regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation, make informed decisions about their reproductive health care.”

That's not enough for Lilly Epps, an activist who joined the pastors in denouncing Planned Parenthood on Thursday. She said she was 26 years old when she got an abortion in the clinic used to stage the protest. She said the day has come to get “the truth” out about Planned Parenthood and what it is doing her community.

“I am a mad black woman,” she said. “Words cannot say how angry I am, how ignorant I was. But I thank God I came to the truth.”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eygv8qEkiFE


I'M JUST GLAD THIS HAS COME TO LIGHT.

[Addendum]

Because it's much easier to protest a group rather than encourage school age children not to f*** or use condoms if they're going to :dry:

[SentinelMind]

The pro-abortion movement in this country is disgusting.

[Matt]

Oh lord. This isn't exposing anything. This is the opinion of a group of people. Exposing implies there are documents or testimony proving it. This article lacks any form of proof.

[Addendum]

And the "article" also lacks the website it was copied from, so again celldog is plagiarizing

[Matt]

The pro-abortion movement in this country is disgusting.

I'm impartial on it, to be honest. While I do think there is no way the argument can be made to support partial birth abortion, I'm not comofrtable with the government outlawing abortion. Slippery slope argument, and all. Plus if they actually did, there would simply be underground clinics, crime rates would rise, people would get hurt, it would be the new weed.

Furthermore, to vote on abortion is ridiculous being as, y'know, the Republicans aren't going to do anything about it because they like dangling it over voters heads and the Democrats aren't going to do anything about it because they're Democrats.

[The Senator]

I don't know see how this can be considered genocide considering all of these women choose to abort their pregnancies.

[The Senator]

I'm impartial on it, to be honest. While I do think there is no way the argument can be made to support partial birth abortion, I'm not comofrtable with the government outlawing abortion. Slippery slope argument, and all. Plus if they actually did, there would simply be underground clinics, crime rates would rise, people would get hurt, it would be the new weed.

Furthermore, to vote on abortion is ridiculous being as, y'know, the Republicans aren't going to do anything about it because they like dangling it over voters heads and the Democrats aren't going to do anything about it because they're Democrats.

An episode of "The Simpsons" describes the abortion situation in the United States pretty well. It's when Kang and Kodos take over the bodies of Bob Dole and Bill Clinton. During a rally, the one who overtakes Dole's body gives a speech on the issue, and the audience responds accordingly:

DOLE: Abortions for all!
AUDIENCE: Boo!
DOLE: All right... Abortions for no one!
AUDIENCE: Boo!
DOLE: Abortions for some... and American flags for all!
AUDIENCE: Yay!

Most Americans are in the middle when it comes to abortion. While I believe the practice needs to be regulated and parental consent should be required for those under eighteen, I believe only the woman who has been impregnated should have the ultimate say in the issue. Some Bible-thumping middle-aged white male from Oklahoma shouldn't get to decide which personal decisions a woman on the other side of the country gets to make, especially when they fall within the law.

[SentinelMind]

Most Americans are in the middle when it comes to abortion.[/jmanspice]

Just because most Americans are in the middle doesn't make it appropriate public policy or constitutional law. Where were most Americans on Brown v Board in 50s...

[quote]While I believe the practice needs to be regulated and parental consent should be required for those under eighteen, I believe only the woman who has been impregnated should have the ultimate say in the issue. Some Bible-thumping middle-aged white male from Oklahoma shouldn't get to decide which personal decisions a woman on the other side of the country gets to make, especially when they fall within the law.

Hmmm, nice ironic stereotype. I find it interesting how the pro-life movement is always characterized as forcing their will on everyone, wheras the status quo is nearly the exact opposite. The only law is that abortions in first two trimesters are constitutional rights everywhere according to Roe v Wade. A group of Supreme Court Justices under the banner of the pro-abortion movement decided that abortion-on-demand must be legal in every part of this country no matter what that Oklahoman, Alabaman, Georgian, or Californian men think...... and because these abortions are a constitutional right,..they can be funded by all our tax payer dollars and would probably be covered in universal healthcare since its a "necessary" medical procedure. If Roe v Wade was overturned, the decision of abortions would be left to state legislatures, it would not immediately ban abortion everywhere. It would move the abortion issue to the legislative branch, where it belongs, not in the judicial branch. So Oklahoma can ban it if majority of that state wanted to and New York can keep it if they wanted to.

[SentinelMind]

I don't know see how this can be considered genocide considering all of these women choose to abort their pregnancies.

I wouldn't go and use that term, but the ones being aborted didn't really get a say in the matter, which is usually the case in genocide.

[Memphis Slim]

Oh lord. This isn't exposing anything. This is the opinion of a group of people. Exposing implies there are documents or testimony proving it. This article lacks any form of proof.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eygv8qEkiFE


Did you miss this, somehow??

[Memphis Slim]

The history of its founder Margaret Sanger is well known.......

Ever hear of the "Negro Project"??

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

[The Senator]

I wouldn't go and use that term, but the ones being aborted didn't really get a say in the matter, which is usually the case in genocide.

Well they have to able to think for themselves in order to have a say, correct?

[chamber-music]

all I see is more religous nuts complaining about stuff again, why is this news?

[Memphis Slim]

all I see is more religous nuts complaining about stuff again, why is this news?


Again.......did you miss this??


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eygv8qEkiFE

[The Senator]

The history of its founder Margaret Sanger is well known.......

Ever hear of the "Negro Project"??

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

That source is to the abortion argument as 9/11 Truth is to the September 11 attacks. I thought you knew better than to subject yourself to wacky bull **** conspiracy theories.

[Memphis Slim]

That source is to the abortion argument as 9/11 Truth is to the September 11 attacks. I thought you knew better than to subject yourself to wacky bull **** conspiracy theories.


What's your basis on for thinking it's conspiracy??

[C.F. Kane]

^ wild claims based on debatable evidence, for one.

[danoyse]

Hmmm, nice ironic stereotype. I find it interesting how the pro-life movement is always characterized as forcing their will on everyone, wheras the status quo is nearly the exact opposite.

Well, maybe that's also because the pro-life groups usually act like that whenever they're protesting it. When I was 16 a group walked up to my mom and me as we were entering a medical complex, pointed at me and asked my mom "Are you taking her for an abortion??" We were going to the eye doctor.

It's the only time in my life I've ever seen my mother close to slugging someone. Later she said she didn't mind that they were protesting, but she was livid that they stepped into our business like that. "What if I was?" she kept saying.

I don't hate the pro-life movement...I think their voice is as important as the pro-choice side. But I don't agree with a lot of their tactics.

[The Senator]

What's your basis on for thinking it's conspiracy??

First of all, it isn't a factual piece of writing. The majority of the footnoted sources are opinion pieces or background information from anti-abortion groups. Moreover, the majority of quotes which were used by those affiliated with planned parenthood are open-ended and have been skewed to favor the opinion of the person writing this piece. Next, anyone who claims that abortion is a tool used in a plot to destroy the African American race has to be a conspiracy theorist considering women who get abortions make a conscientious decision to terminate their pregnancies. No one is forcing them to get an abortion. Abortion clinics don't take to the streets and force pregnant African American women to kill their unborn children. The decision to end one's pregnancy comes down to a conscientious choice made by one person and one person alone. Not a pro-choice organization, not the Supreme Court... it comes down to the choice of no one but the mother herself.

[Lighthouse]

I'm really surprised that pro-life people are so against birth control. More birth control, less unwanted pregnancies, hence less abortions.

[Matt]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eygv8qEkiFE


Did you miss this, somehow??

Because a Youtube video is such a credible, accurate, unbiased source...

[Matt]

I'm really surprised that pro-life people are so against birth control. More birth control, less unwanted pregnancies, hence less abortions.

As am I. These people condemn abortion but throw a fit if someone mentions offering condoms in schools or teaching something other than abstinence. It is at best ridiculously naive and at worst just flat out stupidity.

[The Senator]

Because a Youtube video is such a credible, accurate, unbiased source...

You know, because YouTube videos don't misconstrue the words or phrases of the organizations their makers are trying to protest, nor do they use vague phone calls in an effort distort the credibility of that organization. :whatever:

And, I just want to point out two things which really caught my eye about that four and a half minute musical montage of garbage:

1) The phone call which opened the video... I've worked for politicians who have a certain set of views. Regardless of those views, when someone calls the office, we are solely responsible for taking down their comments and acting as if we agree with the person on the other end. Someone may call into my office and say "Hillary Clinton is working with Ahmadinejad to nuke New York City," but my only reaction should be "okay, I'll pass your comments along." So, when someone calls planned parenthood and says "I want to donate money to your organization because I definitely think we should get rid of black people," it doesn't surprise me that the reaction of the woman on the other end is "well, we'll take the money for whatever reason."

2) The repeated use of the phrase "one person at a time," indicating to the uneducated person that Planned Parenthood advocates killing one "person" at a time. No, that's not overly biased one bit.

So yeah... that's some real classy, credible stuff right there...

[The Senator]

I'm really surprised that pro-life people are so against birth control. More birth control, less unwanted pregnancies, hence less abortions.

I'm surprised many pro-lifers want these women to have the children in the first place. After all, the majority of them are very religious, and many of those religious folks believe that the child is instantly damned to hell because he or she was born out of wedlock. Not to mention the fact that they think the mother will go to hell for giving birth to a bastard child. Since the Lord views all sin the same, then if the mother aborts her pregnancy, isn't that the same as giving birth to that child, in the eyes of the almighty Lord? (and actually, shouldn't it really be beneficial to some of those Christians, as the unborn child itself would be yet another sin roaming this earth?) :huh:

[rdh007]

You know, because YouTube videos don't misconstrue the words or phrases of the organizations their makers are trying to protest, nor do they use vague phone calls in an effort distort the credibility of that organization. :whatever:

And, I just want to point out two things which really caught my eye about that four and a half minute musical montage of garbage:

1) The phone call which opened the video... I've worked for politicians who have a certain set of views. Regardless of those views, when someone calls the office, we are solely responsible for taking down their comments and acting as if we agree with the person on the other end. Someone may call into my office and say "Hillary Clinton is working with Ahmadinejad to nuke New York City," but my only reaction should be "okay, I'll pass your comments along." So, when someone calls planned parenthood and says "I want to donate money to your organization because I definitely think we should get rid of black people," it doesn't surprise me that the reaction of the woman on the other end is "well, we'll take the money for whatever reason."

2) The repeated use of the phrase "one person at a time," indicating to the uneducated person that Planned Parenthood advocates killing one "person" at a time. No, that's not overly biased one bit.

So yeah... that's some real classy, credible stuff right there...

I stopped paying attention after the phone call for the very reasons you delineate.

[danoyse]

As am I. These people condemn abortion but throw a fit if someone mentions offering condoms in schools or teaching something other than abstinence. It is at best ridiculously naive and at worst just flat out stupidity.

I interned with a news channel when I was in college and we covered a protest at a pharmaceutical convention. They insisted this company was marketing a 'day after' drug that was killing unborn children. They even marched into the lobby of the hotel and got themselves all arrested, including the leader's 12-year-old son.

So we went to the local hospital to get the medical opinion on the drug, and the doctor's reaction when we told her they claimed it was an abortion drug was "WHAT?!?!" Literally, that was her reaction. Turned out it was just a contraceptive.

Then again there are phamacists who refuse to prescribe birth control pills because they believe it's against their religion to prevent contraception. That one really makes me mad because women take birth control for medical reasons as well as for contraception, but they don't see to care about that.

[amazingfantasy15]

Wait, I think I'm missing something here, where does it say Planned Parenthood is forcing black women to have abortions? Maybe this group would be better served talking to young black men and women to keep it in their pants or use protection and maybe they wouldn't need the abortion in the first place. However, that's probably just as bad, then you're promoting that black men and women shouldn't have babies. Guess it's a lose-lose situation.

[fifthfiend]

As is usual with such things, these preachers reveal that they themselves are utter, disgusting racists, by advocating to deny poor and black women the medical options which well-off white women enjoy.

Nice to see that Memphis has moved on from the torture apologia, though.

[Handsome Rob]

Then again there are phamacists who refuse to prescribe birth control pills because they believe it's against their religion to prevent contraception. That one really makes me mad because women take birth control for medical reasons as well as for contraception, but they don't see to care about that.


It's more of an issue of discrimination. If they prescribe it to one person but not to another, they could get in hot water over that. So, they just refuse to prescribe it under any circumstances, and they avoid discrimination claims. They may have no moral problem with using it to help with acne, but they have to sacrifice that for what they do have a moral problem with.

[The Senator]

It's more of an issue of discrimination. If they prescribe it to one person but not to another, they could get in hot water over that. So, they just refuse to prescribe it under any circumstances, and they avoid discrimination claims. They may have no moral problem with using it to help with acne, but they have to sacrifice that for what they do have a moral problem with.

Pharmacists should not be allowed to decide what's moral or not. They should provide access to medicine which is legal by law to everyone regardless of their religious or ideological beliefs.

[Addendum]

It's the pharmacists' job to fill prescriptions given by the doctor. If they have a problem with what a doctor prescribes their patients, that pharmacist should choose another career

[Marx]

Pharmacists should not be allowed to decide what's moral or not. They should provide access to medicine which is legal by law to everyone regardless of their religious or ideological beliefs.

I couldn't agree more Jman.

[Handsome Rob]

Pharmacists should not be allowed to decide what's moral or not. They should provide access to medicine which is legal by law to everyone regardless of their religious or ideological beliefs.

Would you force doctors to perform abortions?

[Handsome Rob]

Or, better yet, this: Let's say that these psychotic Christians that you talk about actually manage to criminalize homosexuality and require mandatory chemical or physical castration for anyone caught engaging in homosexual activity. Would you then say that these pharmacists should be forced to provide chemical castration drugs for that purpose? There are some pharmacists that would object for moral reasons. But, it is legal by law.

[The Senator]

Would you force doctors to perform abortions?

That is entirely different. Doctors who perform abortions are specifically trained to do so. A pharmacist who administers medicine to someone who has acne doesn't make him a dermatologist. Same thing if he administers medicine who aborts a woman's pregnancy. These people agree to make medicine for the general public, not to impose their religious or moral values on the already women who need that pill.

[The Senator]

Or, better yet, this: Let's say that these psychotic Christians that you talk about actually manage to criminalize homosexuality and require mandatory chemical or physical castration for anyone caught engaging in homosexual activity. Would you then say that these pharmacists should be forced to provide chemical castration drugs for that purpose? There are some pharmacists that would object for moral reasons. But, it is legal by law.

Unfortunately, if that were the case, the pharmacists would have no choice but to oblige. They have a job to administer medicine regardless of their moral beliefs. That is the criteria of the job they sign up for. They are there to help those who seek their services, not to impose their beliefs on society.

[Marx]

Would you force doctors to perform abortions?

That's entirely different Rob.

[Handsome Rob]

Unfortunately, if that were the case, the pharmacists would have no choice but to oblige. They have a job to administer medicine regardless of their moral beliefs. That is the criteria of the job they sign up for. They are there to help those who seek their services, not to impose their beliefs on society.


You're nothing if not consistent, jman. :up:

I would still say they shouldn't have to.

[Handsome Rob]

Guys, while I see abortion and contraception (preventing the egg and sperm from joining) as two entirely different procedures, the issue behind this discussion is the same.

Should a pharmacist (or any professional) be required to violate his/her religious or moral beliefs in the practice of his/her profession? I say no. There are other people who will perform abortions, and there are other people who will fill prescriptions. Obviously, y'all disagree.

[Addendum]

Well, they'd have to since their job is filling prescriptions, not choosing which ones to fill because they don't like what it does

[Marx]

Guys, while I see abortion and contraception (preventing the egg and sperm from joining) as two entirely different procedures, the issue behind this discussion is the same.

Should a pharmacist (or any professional) be required to violate his/her religious or moral beliefs in the practice of his/her profession? I say no. There are other people who will perform abortions, and there are other people who will fill prescriptions. Obviously, y'all disagree.

I see your argument Rob, but the point is that they can't inflict their personal religious beliefs or whathaveyou on their patients. They can't pick and chose, they are bound by law to help their patients. (As Jman said above.)

[Arkady Rossovich]

If the Africans took better care of them selfs they would not have so much problems.

[The Senator]

If the Africans took better care of them selfs they would not have so much problems.

:wow:

:slaps head:

[Addendum]

If the Africans took better care of them selfs they would not have so much problems.

Finally, something you can't blame the US for :woot:

[Marx]

If the Africans took better care of them selfs they would not have so much problems.

Wow...that's really not the most intelligent thing to say.

[MaskedManJRK]

The inherient problem with Slim's argument is the fact that it isn't just black women that have abortions--white women, latin women, asian women, every ethnic group or creed has had a number of women have abortions.

If the Africans took better care of them selfs they would not have so much problems.

...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/DarkKnightJRK/thestupiditburns.jpg

[BMM]

^ Haha. Yeah, that's one way of putting it.

[rdh007]

What I love about Arkady is that he will on occasion (though he is sometimes correct about our country) bring right and left together in a union of disgust. Truly a uniter and not a divider.

[Memphis Slim]

First of all, it isn't a factual piece of writing. The majority of the footnoted sources are opinion pieces or background information from anti-abortion groups.


So that makes it automatically untrue??? Just because it came from anti-abortion groups?? So by that same logic I say that evolution is a fairy tale because it comes from Atheist scientists who already have a bias against creation.



Moreover, the majority of quotes which were used by those affiliated with planned parenthood are open-ended and have been skewed to favor the opinion of the person writing this piece. Next, anyone who claims that abortion is a tool used in a plot to destroy the African American race has to be a conspiracy theorist considering women who get abortions make a conscientious decision to terminate their pregnancies.


Have you ever read Margaret Sangers reasons for starting PP?? Not only did she hate brown people, but she the poor were a waste of space as well. Hitler was her inspiration. Did you know the majority of their clinics (85 percent) are found in urban areas??



No one is forcing them to get an abortion. Abortion clinics don't take to the streets and force pregnant African American women to kill their unborn children. The decision to end one's pregnancy comes down to a conscientious choice made by one person and one person alone. Not a pro-choice organization, not the Supreme Court... it comes down to the choice of no one but the mother herself.


On that issue, I'll agree with you. But if you are putting your clinics in areas where people are desperate and then you position yourself as the savior while really being the wolf, there's some big issues there.

[danoyse]

Should a pharmacist (or any professional) be required to violate his/her religious or moral beliefs in the practice of his/her profession? I say no. There are other people who will perform abortions, and there are other people who will fill prescriptions. Obviously, y'all disagree.

I was prescribed birth control once to deal with a medical issue that had recently landed me in the emergency room. If a pharmacist had decided to keep them from me due to "moral obligations" I think I would have hit the roof. It's not his/her job to decide what I can or can't take after it's been prescribed by my own doctor.

If someone's religious beliefs are that strong that they feel they can deny someone the medicine they need, then they shouldn't be pharmacists.

[The Senator]

So that makes it automatically untrue??? Just because it came from anti-abortion groups?? So by that same logic I say that evolution is a fairy tale because it comes from Atheist scientists who already have a bias against creation.

Yes, it does make it untrue because those are opinion pieces. But more importantly, they're opinion pieces arguing one side of the issue. There's nothing scholarly in that research, with the exception of statistics, which are easily manipulated, but are never the less the one detail which can be considered "factual." If I used any of those other sources in a research paper at my university, the professor would hand it back and laugh in my face.

Meanwhile, evolution is a theory based on evidence. These scientists went out into the field and used scientific equipment (I know the scientific method is too difficult for you to understand, but stay with me) to gather evidence which supported their claim. They tested DNA, they carbon dated fossils... they drew their own conclusions. It's not like Darwin woke up one morning, went on a blog and said "God is teh dumb!" Regardless of whether you agree with their theory or not, they spent years researching this through scientific findings, versus ten minutes of putzing around anti-abortion websites.


Have you ever read Margaret Sangers reasons for starting PP?? Not only did she hate brown people, but she the poor were a waste of space as well. Hitler was her inspiration. Did you know the majority of their clinics (85 percent) are found in urban areas??

Did you know that, regardless of what Margaret Sanger believed, these women ultimately decide to abort their pregnancies themselves? You know, because these women are living, breathing, thinking human beings who have the ability to walk into an abortion clinic and request a termination of their pregnancy. If Margaret Sanger had a secret army going around inner city Detroit so they could kidnap pregnant black women and force abortions on them, then I would see your argument that it's genocide. But it can't be genocide if the woman decides herself to end her pregnancy.

On that issue, I'll agree with you. But if you are putting your clinics in areas where people are desperate and then you position yourself as the savior while really being the wolf, there's some big issues there.

Again, it doesn't matter where these clinics are. There's a clinic in Dupont Circle in Washington, DC... does that mean Margaret Sanger wanted to cleanse the wealthy as well? This is a conscientious choice made by the pregnant woman. That's it. And if you're going around spewing some thought that Margaret Sanger or any other abortion doctor has some master plan to wipe out an entire race through abortions, you might as well go over to 9/11 Truth and hang out with your own kind.

[rdh007]

It seems to me that if this argument was being made (that there was some sort of conspiracy against black people, poor people, or homosexuals) and the issue wasn't abortion--there would be many people who buy this one that wouldn't buy the hypothetical one.

[Mr Sparkle]

It seems to me that if this argument was being made (that there was some sort of conspiracy against black people, poor people, or homosexuals) and the issue wasn't abortion--there would be many people who buy this one that wouldn't buy the hypothetical one.

I also wonder why some people who were pretty outraged about the whole reverend wright thing aren't "appalled" that some people are suggesting some vast conspiracy against black people.

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[Memphis Slim]

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Last Thursday a group of black pastors released a letter calling for all presidential candidates and other politicians to return or refuse to accept campaign donations made by Planned Parenthood nationally. I was proud to be a part of that effort. A recent Wall Street Journal story cited that Planned Parenthood is contributing an unprecedented 10 million dollars to various political campaigns this election cycle.
At first blush this seems like an extravagant, if not frivolous, use of money. Only those who are aware of the 305 million dollars a year of federal money that this organization rakes in would understand this strategic move. When the average person thinks of special interest groups, they often look at big businesses or certain industry lobbyists. But this is not always the case.

Planned Parenthood has a public face that says they are supporting the rights of women to assert their reproductive rights. Unfortunately, recent investigations and reports suggest that this organization is actually peddling death in an
aggressive and unethical manner. In Kansas the organization is under criminal investigation for falsifying documents and performing late term abortions. It faces 23 felony counts.
Planned Parenthood has also dealt in the realm of deception concerning the age of its customers. In Ohio, Planned Parenthood is being sued for failing to report the rape of a 16-year-old by her father. This is not the first time that center leaders have tried to bend age-related reporting requirement. Eleven months ago UCLA student Lila Rose appeared on the O’Reilly Factor stating the some Planned Parenthood centers attempt to hide child abuse or statutory rape by encouraging underage mothers to falsify their ages in order to receive an abortion.

Others believe that the organization, founded by Margaret Sanger, has actually swindled the government out of money. In California, former Los Angeles city officials have accused the California Planned Parenthood organization of defrauding taxpayers of over 180 million dollars.

What made us as black leaders decide to address the issue at this point in time? I cannot speak for all the other ministers, but I believe that my concerns are shared by many of them. The simple answer is that so many reports about Planned Parenthood’s blatant disrespect for the law have recently surfaced that it required response immediately. I believe that before these court cases and accusations become old news, people of conscience of all races must stand up and be counted.
If Planned Parenthood is brought into check, it will substantially affect the entire abortion industry. Planned Parenthood has 850 centers around the country and is the largest provider of abortions in the nation. In addition, experts estimate that 75% of Planned Parenthood centers are located in close proximity to minority neighborhoods.

Known as a eugenicist who spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” founder Margaret Sanger had no love in her heart for blacks. Today scholars have discovered the following statement written by Sanger, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” As a result the black community is disproportionately affected by the posture, placement, and philosophy of this organization. Over 1,200 black babies are aborted every day in America which amounts to over 35% of the total number of babies aborted in the nation. This genocide teamed with the rise of HIV/AIDS deaths and murders may lead to negative population growth.

This a moral issue of great magnitude that can affect the black community for decades. A final straw that has broken the camel’s back has been added to the litany of problems that this organization has created --- Planned Parenthood facilities around the country have been accused of accepting contributions from racist donors. A group of concerned people conducted their own “sting” operation which has exposed a willingness of Planned Parenthood employees to accommodate racist donors. In fact, clinic personnel in Ohio, New Mexico, Idaho and Oklahoma have been captured on tape pandering to a potential donor with a racist agenda.
In general, the media has turned a deaf ear to the issue of abortion. Reporters often call this issue divisive and polarizing. I am thrilled that there are a growing number of black leaders who are willing to stand up and be counted on this important issue. Interestingly, it is the black leadership in this anti Planned Parenthood initiative that is beginning to draw national attention. To the press, it’s a “man bites dog story” – a reversal of common wisdom. Now is the time for blacks and whites to work together, to strike a blow against the unethical practices of the “death industry” in America.

Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

[The Senator]

So, why is it that Slim is allowed to make numerous threads when none of them are based in actual truth? Can't someone merge all of them into one big "Slim's Crazy Conspiracies and Opinions Thread?" You know, since none of what he says is grounded in truth, simply opinion pieces and wacky conspiracy theories?

[Memphis Slim]

So, why is it that Slim is allowed to make numerous threads when none of them are based in actual truth? Can't someone merge all of them into one big "Slim's Crazy Conspiracies and Opinions Thread?" You know, since none of what he says is grounded in truth, simply opinion pieces and wacky conspiracy theories?

Have you read any of Sanger's writings on race?

[The Senator]

Have you read any of Sanger's writings on race?

Does it ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thinks? Planned Parenthood is not a genocidal agency, Slim. They don't go around taking pregnant women from their homes or hospitals and force them to terminate their pregnancies. These women, regardless of their race, make a choice. It comes down to their decision in the end. Planned Parenthood does not force anyone to do anything, so even if it was founded by Strom Thurmond, it wouldn't matter because it has since transformed itself into an entirely different agency.

And none of what you have provided as sources are composed of non-biased material. Find an article from a credible journal or newspaper, that isn't a right-leaning, "OMG Abortion Kills Babies!" opinion piece, which has substantial evidence to prove that Planned Parenthood is conspiring to "murder" African-Americans.

[Memphis Slim]

Does it ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thinks? Planned Parenthood is not a genocidal agency, Slim. They don't go around taking pregnant women from their homes or hospitals and force them to terminate their pregnancies. These women, regardless of their race, make a choice. It comes down to their decision in the end. Planned Parenthood does not force anyone to do anything, so even if it was founded by Strom Thurmond, it wouldn't matter because it has since transformed itself into an entirely different agency.

And none of what you have provided as sources are composed of non-biased material. Find an article from a credible journal or newspaper, that isn't a right-leaning, "OMG Abortion Kills Babies!" opinion piece, which has substantial evidence to prove that Planned Parenthood is conspiring to "murder" African-Americans.


"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism," she wrote in the recently republished "The Pivot of Civilization." This book, written in 1922, was published at a time when scientific racism had been used to assert black inferiority. Who determines who is a moron? How would these morons be segregated? The ramifications of such statements are bone chilling.


In the book "Killer Angel", through detailed research and concise writing, George Grant unveils Sanger's true character and ideology, which included blatant racism, revolutionary socialism, sexual perversion and insatiable avarice. Grant includes direct quotes from sources such as Sanger's Birth Control Review to support his findings. His biography spans Sanger's disturbed and unhappy upbringing which Sanger said contributed to her agitation and bitterness later in lifeÑto her eventual fixation with drugs, alcohol and the occult.

Particularly shocking was Sanger's involvement in the Eugenics movement. Grant says: "[Sanger] was thoroughly convinced that the inferior races' were in fact human weeds' and a menace to civilization.' . . . [S]he was a true believer, not simply someone who assimilated the jargon of the timesÑas Planned Parenthood officials would have us believe."


This doesn't matter to you?

[The Senator]

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism," she wrote in the recently republished "The Pivot of Civilization." This book, written in 1922, was published at a time when scientific racism had been used to assert black inferiority. Who determines who is a moron? How would these morons be segregated? The ramifications of such statements are bone chilling.


In the book "Killer Angel", through detailed research and concise writing, George Grant unveils Sanger's true character and ideology, which included blatant racism, revolutionary socialism, sexual perversion and insatiable avarice. Grant includes direct quotes from sources such as Sanger's Birth Control Review to support his findings. His biography spans Sanger's disturbed and unhappy upbringing which Sanger said contributed to her agitation and bitterness later in lifeÑto her eventual fixation with drugs, alcohol and the occult.

Particularly shocking was Sanger's involvement in the Eugenics movement. Grant says: "[Sanger] was thoroughly convinced that the inferior races' were in fact human weeds' and a menace to civilization.' . . . [S]he was a true believer, not simply someone who assimilated the jargon of the timesÑas Planned Parenthood officials would have us believe."


This doesn't matter to you?

No, it doesn't, because Margaret Sanger isn't alive anymore and therefore she doesn't dictate how Planned Parenthood works. Her writings never came into fruition, or at least no non-biased investigation has come out to prove that African Americans are being wiped out at the hands of her organization. Most importantly, it doesn't matter because Planned Parenthood doesn't go out and collect African Americans en masse so they can terminate their pregnancies.

But please... let the conspiracies continue :dry:

[C.F. Kane]

Did you know that, regardless of what Margaret Sanger believed, these women ultimately decide to abort their pregnancies themselves? You know, because these women are living, breathing, thinking human beings who have the ability to walk into an abortion clinic and request a termination of their presidency. If Margaret Sanger had a secret army going around inner city Detroit so they could kidnap pregnant black women and force abortions on them, then I would see your argument that it's genocide. But it can't be genocide if the woman decides herself to end her pregnancy.


As much as I agree with Jman's arguments, I can't help but laugh at a typo like this.

[The Senator]

As much as I agree with Jman's arguments, I can't help but laugh at a typo like this.


:lmao:


Son of a *****...

[amazingfantasy15]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall//Colpics/columnistbishopjackson.gif (http://560wind.townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr) BLACKS ON HIT LIST

Last Thursday a group of black pastors released a letter calling for all presidential candidates and other politicians to return or refuse to accept campaign donations made by Planned Parenthood nationally. I was proud to be a part of that effort. A recent Wall Street Journal story cited that Planned Parenthood is contributing an unprecedented 10 million dollars to various political campaigns this election cycle.
At first blush this seems like an extravagant, if not frivolous, use of money. Only those who are aware of the 305 million dollars a year of federal money that this organization rakes in would understand this strategic move. When the average person thinks of special interest groups, they often look at big businesses or certain industry lobbyists. But this is not always the case.

Planned Parenthood has a public face that says they are supporting the rights of women to assert their reproductive rights. Unfortunately, recent investigations and reports suggest that this organization is actually peddling death in an
aggressive and unethical manner. In Kansas the organization is under criminal investigation for falsifying documents and performing late term abortions. It faces 23 felony counts.
Planned Parenthood has also dealt in the realm of deception concerning the age of its customers. In Ohio, Planned Parenthood is being sued for failing to report the rape of a 16-year-old by her father. This is not the first time that center leaders have tried to bend age-related reporting requirement. Eleven months ago UCLA student Lila Rose appeared on the O’Reilly Factor stating the some Planned Parenthood centers attempt to hide child abuse or statutory rape by encouraging underage mothers to falsify their ages in order to receive an abortion.

Others believe that the organization, founded by Margaret Sanger, has actually swindled the government out of money. In California, former Los Angeles city officials have accused the California Planned Parenthood organization of defrauding taxpayers of over 180 million dollars.

What made us as black leaders decide to address the issue at this point in time? I cannot speak for all the other ministers, but I believe that my concerns are shared by many of them. The simple answer is that so many reports about Planned Parenthood’s blatant disrespect for the law have recently surfaced that it required response immediately. I believe that before these court cases and accusations become old news, people of conscience of all races must stand up and be counted.
If Planned Parenthood is brought into check, it will substantially affect the entire abortion industry. Planned Parenthood has 850 centers around the country and is the largest provider of abortions in the nation. In addition, experts estimate that 75% of Planned Parenthood centers are located in close proximity to minority neighborhoods.

Known as a eugenicist who spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” founder Margaret Sanger had no love in her heart for blacks. Today scholars have discovered the following statement written by Sanger, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” As a result the black community is disproportionately affected by the posture, placement, and philosophy of this organization. Over 1,200 black babies are aborted every day in America which amounts to over 35% of the total number of babies aborted in the nation. This genocide teamed with the rise of HIV/AIDS deaths and murders may lead to negative population growth.

This a moral issue of great magnitude that can affect the black community for decades. A final straw that has broken the camel’s back has been added to the litany of problems that this organization has created --- Planned Parenthood facilities around the country have been accused of accepting contributions from racist donors. A group of concerned people conducted their own “sting” operation which has exposed a willingness of Planned Parenthood employees to accommodate racist donors. In fact, clinic personnel in Ohio, New Mexico, Idaho and Oklahoma have been captured on tape pandering to a potential donor with a racist agenda.
In general, the media has turned a deaf ear to the issue of abortion. Reporters often call this issue divisive and polarizing. I am thrilled that there are a growing number of black leaders who are willing to stand up and be counted on this important issue. Interestingly, it is the black leadership in this anti Planned Parenthood initiative that is beginning to draw national attention. To the press, it’s a “man bites dog story” – a reversal of common wisdom. Now is the time for blacks and whites to work together, to strike a blow against the unethical practices of the “death industry” in America.

Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

Please highlight in this article where it says Planned Parenthood is forcing Black women to have abortions. That's the only way I can see this argument being relavant. Obviously there's a demand for Planned Parenthood's services in these neighborhood, no organization is going to keep an office open where there's no business.

[Goddessreicho]

Holy cow, the comments so far make my head spin. I hate to break it to a certain some, but CellMemphisDogSlim is not far from reality on this one.

Margaret Sanger (and her brain child) Planned Parenthood did at first soley exsist to wipe away the cycle of poverty, disease, un-education and Black people. And not necessarily in that order.

Spanger was a big fan of genocide of the "lesser races" and believed in the fake science of eugenics. BTW, to the poster who believed that this was about Africans, it's not. It's a CLASS thing and a BLACK AMERICAN thing, originally. I am by no means saying that only Black women get abortions, cause that is sooo not true.

Here are some excepts in Sanger's own words from her autobiography, articles, and a special speech she gave in Silver Lake NJ:
Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race. Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts.

No wait, it gets more obvious for those who want to downplay this.

Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.Margaret Sanger. The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda. Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

I totally saved this one for last.

Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying ... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ... [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate (Notice how this is NOT the first time Spanger herself says "eliminate" when speaking of mandatory reproductive control of a RACE of people) the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Chapter on "The Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition.

The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.
Margaret Sanger, The Birth Control Review, Gothic Press, pages 172 and 174.


Who was she speaking to in Silver Lake New Jersey, the Women's KKK.

Some brown nosing professor I had a few years back wanted to use a book that celebrated Spanger in a Women's Fem class I took. He asked why I hadn't gotten the book, and I took the book about Spanger I got from the library and showed him this and some other lovely tidbits. I'm shocked that people don't actually know that PP really was out to get black and poor people. That's why almost 80% of the locations are in poor ethnic neighborhoods. I mean, how more obvious can it get.

Here's one more for those that don't get it. Tada (http://www.idahostatesman.com/235/story/308723.html)

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The most insulting thing I learned recently is that MLK Jr was the first recipient of the Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger Award (1966), I think she was also alive by then too. I dunno, but according to her theory on Black People, MLK was just the perfect pawn for it. :csad:

Edit: I forgot to add, the group (granted it was a prolife UCLA student organization) also did the same thing to the other seven headquarters of PP and NO ONE turned down the money. I know that this was a trap waiting to happen, but it does not mean that the employee on the phone had to fall for it.

[The Senator]

Again, it doesn't ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thought. What ultimately matters is the choice these women make when they decide to terminate their pregnancies. Margaret Sanger thought these things, what, sixty years ago? She's been dead for forty-two years. Her influence doesn't matter. The organization has changed leadership and it has different priorities. People who work for PP don't go home in the evening and pray to an effigy of Sanger. They don't don Sanger masks and walk into black neighborhoods collecting pregnant women and tearing the fetus out of their womb. This is not genocide-- it can't be genocide if the women choose to abort their pregnancies.

And it isn't just black women who receive abortions; women from all walks of life do so on a daily basis. There are abortion clinics in rich neighborhoods as there are in poor neighborhoods. This is a conscientious choice made by one person and one person only, not the decision of an organization who was founded by some lunatic.

[Goddessreicho]

Again, it doesn't ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thought. What ultimately matters is the choice these women make when they decide to terminate their pregnancies. Margaret Sanger thought these things, what, sixty years ago? She's been dead for forty-two years. Her influence doesn't matter. The organization has changed leadership and it has different priorities. People who work for PP don't go home in the evening and pray to an effigy of Sanger. They don't don Sanger masks and walk into black neighborhoods collecting pregnant women and tearing the fetus out of their womb. This is not genocide-- it can't be genocide if the women choose to abort their pregnancies.

Did you even read the latter portion of my post? PP isn't FORCING anything. That was actually the WHOLE point of the post. What they did (as in THE PAST) was make it really easy to have poor people (who were disproportionately black because of institutionalized racism) abort pregnancies.

The Idaho PP totally got caught practicing Spanger's eugenic experiment. I can't possible make that any simpler if you didn't read the whole post. If you don't believe me look up PP own statistics on their locations.

Personally I don't trust them. I've never need anything from them, and after finding alot of this information out, I refuse to support them in any way shape and form. Ironically enough, I'm still very much pro-choice.

Edit: I reiterate, Planned Parenthood isn't combing the streets looking for pregnant Women of Color, they don't have to when they make themselves readily available with open doors and free services.

[amazingfantasy15]

Did you even read the latter portion of my post? PP isn't FORCING anything. That was actually the WHOLE point of the post. What they did (as in THE PAST) was make it really easy to have poor people (who were disproportionately black because of institutionalized racism) abort pregnancies.

The Idaho PP totally got caught practicing Spanger's eugenic experiment. I can't possible make that any simpler if you didn't read the whole post. If you don't believe me look up PP own statistics on their locations.

Personally I don't trust them. I've never need anything from them, and after finding alot of this information out, I refuse to support them in any way shape and form. Ironically enough, I'm still very much pro-choice.

Edit: I reiterate, Planned Parenthood isn't combing the streets looking for pregnant Women of Color, they don't have to when they make themselves readily available with open doors and free services.

Your argument doesn't work though. Just because there's a bunch of planned parenthood locations in poor neighborhoods doesn't mean the women have to visit them. It's their choice to go there. Maybe instead of blaming planned parenthood, you should blame the people having unprotected sex, when they can't afford or aren't mature enough to care for a baby. I'm sure men and women that want a baby aren't getting an abortion, it's the one's that don't want, can't afford and/or aren't mature enough to care for a baby that are getting the abortions.

Maybe there are more planned parenthood locations in poorer neighborhoods because there's a greater demand in those neighborhoods because there are more people having unprotected sex and getting knocked up. That can't be it though, it's gotta be a plan by the man to keep the black man down because it's so more easier to just call planned parenthood racist than address the real problem. Maybe we should blame Canada as well.