Were you a fan of Iron Man before the Iron Man movie came out??

[S.A.A.D]

It's an easy question to answer I think. Before I saw it,I was already a fan of Iron Man going back to the 1990s.

What about you guys and gals?? If this thread shouldn't be in this forum,then I apologize because I am honestly not sure at all where it should be. If it has to be relocated then so be it.

:yay:

[CaptainStacy]

Well, sure. I've been a fan for many years. I was REALLY big on Iron Man in the middle and late nineties, but then they did this HORRIBLE storyline called The Crossing, that basically painted Iron Man as a mind-controlled, murderous traitor, and replaced him with a younger version from an alternate time line or some such drivel.

Needless to say, i dropped the book like a hot potato. That storyline was thankfully retconned shortly thereafter, but while i followed Tony's adventures with the Avengers, i really didnt get back into his solo book until the recent World War Hulk storyline.

It's nice to be back at Stark Industies. :yay:

[Soundwave88]

I use it read the comic's and watch the TV then I stopped, But when i heard about a movie being made I read some of the comic's again.

[Raiden]

Yes, I was; I had collected IM comics on-and-off since the late 80s, and IM has always been one of my favorite Marvel superheroes. Seeing him on the big screen is an incredible feeling, because back then you never thought that Hollywood would make a movie based on the superheroes you like. It's also thrilling to see many new fans of IM after they see the movie and wanted to know more about Stark and IM.

[3dman27]

Iron Man Was One Of The First Marvel Super-heroes I Read About in the 1960's So I Think I Can Say,yes I Was A Longtime Fan:im::stark:

[FireandIce213]

I never really read the comics much, but I remember watching the cartoon all the time and being pretty obsessed...But now that ive seen the movie my obsessions come back full circle.

[turtlefocker]

No I knew nothing about the character. I absolutely loved the movie though, it was genuinely fun. Something we haven't been able to say about movies for a few years.

[the_icon_007]

I was a huge Iron Man fan. I loved him and Batman for the same reasons. They both were men who had no powers but relied on their intellects to solve dilemmas. These characters seemed to be attainable. Both seemed as if one worked hard enough they could be... Iron Man.

Spiderman? I'm a little nervous around spiders and besides that, isn't radioactivity a bad thing?

The Hulk? Gamma Rays? See comment above about exposure to radiation.

Daredevil? So, I'd have to go blind in order to be him. Riiiiiiiight. And again with the radioactive materials?

Iron Man? Supersmart guy builds a highly advance suit of amour with artificial intelligence? Trust me, that's really attractive to a young nerd with a high GPA.

[Ironfan72]

I've been a die hard Iron Man fan for over 26 years, started reading the comic when I was 9 and I've never stopped.

[LadyLane]

As much as I hate to admit it, no. I was a Spiderman fan before that came out and a Superman fan before Smallville aired and so on, so usually I'm that fan who knows what to look for and what to appreciate. But I never read or watched Iron Man when I was little and that said, the movie blew me away! Now I'm grabbing up every Iron Man comic I can! So far I've read Extremis, Execute, the Director of S.H.E.I.L.D. line 'till recently, and the firsts for Invincible Iron Man (the new one) and Viva Las Vegas. He's so awesome!!! I've been reading so much Superman/Supergirl for so long that I forgot how much fun a smartass hero could be.

[Ironfan72]

Check out the trade's of Iron Man: Hero's reborn and Armor wars, two very good stories.

[LadyLane]

Check out the trade's of Iron Man: Hero's reborn and Armor wars, two very good stories.

Thanks, I definately will. I'm actually headed back to the comic book shop tomorrow so I'll remember those.

[Arthas]

I've Alway's Loved Ironman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raiden]

As much as I hate to admit it, no. I was a Spiderman fan before that came out and a Superman fan before Smallville aired and so on, so usually I'm that fan who knows what to look for and what to appreciate. But I never read or watched Iron Man when I was little and that said, the movie blew me away! Now I'm grabbing up every Iron Man comic I can! So far I've read Extremis, Execute, the Director of S.H.E.I.L.D. line 'till recently, and the firsts for Invincible Iron Man (the new one) and Viva Las Vegas. He's so awesome!!! I've been reading so much Superman/Supergirl for so long that I forgot how much fun a smartass hero could be.

Nice to see that the movie made new fans out of Stark/Iron Man. I'm an old IM fan who haven't collect him comics for awhile, but recently I've been thinking about digging up my old issues and even buy new TPB of IM. That's why this movie is so great; it makes people excited to know more about this Marvel superhero.

[LadyLane]

Nice to see that the movie made new fans out of Stark/Iron Man. I'm an old IM fan who haven't collect him comics for awhile, but recently I've been thinking about digging up my old issues and even buy new TPB of IM. That's why this movie is so great; it makes people excited to know more about this Marvel superhero.

That's why I always love comic book movies. I feel less of geek when other people get into the stuff I like, lol. And yes, this movie has definately made a fn out of me. I'm so happy it was really close to the comic interpretation so the comics aren't so far off for me.

[FireandIce213]

Even though I used to watch the cartoon when I was a kid...Id still consider myself a newbie fan...I dont know how faithful the cartoon was to the comics and even then I barely remember the cartoon either...But yes I do plan on picking up some Iron Man comics in the very near future. Here's to a successful and exciting franchise, its gonna be fun to see what happens next!

[Nathan]

Just a tiny bit. I watched the cartoon when I was a kid, but I didn't collect any of the comics. Now I'm really a fan of Iron Man, well, of the movie version at least. He's too much of a dick for me in the current comics now.

[LadyLane]

He's too much of a dick for me in the current comics now.

I like him that way. I've been reading so much Superman for a while that it's refreshing to read a character who is the complete opposite of goody-too-shoes.

[ironman29758]

Yes i watched the 1960 cartoons, read fan fictions and even read the Heros Reborn version(which is what got me started on the love for Iron man). My favorite version is the Heroes Reborn Iron Man, the movie and the Ultimate Iron Man

[The IronMan]

Iron Man was the first comic I ever bought. Started in the early 80's collected every back issue I could get my hands on.Some of the story arcs I might not have liked but I was always there month after month.Plain and simple just a great character!

[Arach Knight]

I was a casual fan of shell head. I had seen the old 70's cartoon on reruns as a child. I used to read his comic briefly during the early 90's. I believe I was more drawn to War Machine than Iron Man himself. The last Iron Man I bought had him fighting Ultron I believe. Tony was actually paralyzed and he had been controlling the suit via remote control from his mansion. Last I remembered, Ultron tore the suit in half and the psychic feedback caused Tony to go into shock.

After that I sort of lost interest in the character. Since then, they never did anything with the character that I was too fond of. I didn't like him becoming Secretary of Defense, Director of Shield and I certainly don't approve of him and the Initiative. I think that one of the most disappointing things is how far they allowed Tony's character to stray from what made him so fun to read. He used to be a flawed man trying to do noble things. Now he is just an ******* trying to do noble things. Without that charm, one can tend to be less forgiving of his ways. Oh well...

[Hellstormer]

No, I have always had a dislike for the character. I always thought he was an arrogant snob who was just there to balance Captain America's boy scout charm. I didn't mind him, but I wouldn't read his solo book until...Civil War. I hate him now. I did like his cartoon thought and Rhodes is one of the cooler MU characters, I always wanted to see him team up with Isaiah Bradley, the Black Captain America.

[Punisher RULES]

I knew of Iron Man since I was a toddler. My brother collected comics of the 90's and Iron Man was amongst them and the image of Iron Man and the Avengers,Spider-Man, The X-Men and so forth always stuck in my head and I watched the cartoon aswell but the cartoon wasn't that engaging. No where near the quality of the X-Men cartoon. Fast forward a few years later and Iron Man becomes the character to rekindle my love for comic books. From 2003-2005 I read and collected every major Marvel book and was distracted by school and work and bad relationships and the typical stuff that keeps a nerd from his comics and here I am a few years later knee deep in all the recent Marvel stuff, catching up and reading all the character defining works of characters like Iron Man so without ol' Shellhead I'd be elsewhere doing something nowhere near as fun as reading my beloved comics.

[SpideyZERO]

I don't read the comic but I like his design. Then I'm really hyped for the movie since it looks cool and buy one Iron Man trade, and become a fan!

[Armored Avenger]

Iron Man has always been one of my favourite comic book characters, and I loved the movie. It was great to see a character who I have loved for years get the amazing film he deserved.

[Super Freak]

I had a working knowledge of Iron Man before seeing the film. I knew of his origin, which is one of my favorite superhero origins because it was startlingly tragic to me when I read it as a child. However, I mostly knew of him through the Avenger books. I was also aware of him from various animated series and video games.

[kedrell]

Been a fan since 1980 or so. Never collected his books much but had more exposure to him through the Avengers. Always liked the concept of the character as well as his origin. But the only book I collected regularly was the Hulk.

[Chris B]

Yes. While I've always generally liked superheros and comic book, with a preference for Marvel, Iron Man is really the only character that I am really passionate about. Iron Man, along with Transformers, were pretty much my childhood passions.

[Chris Wallace]

It's an easy question to answer I think. Before I saw it,I was already a fan of Iron Man going back to the 1990s.

What about you guys and gals?? If this thread shouldn't be in this forum,then I apologize because I am honestly not sure at all where it should be. If it has to be relocated then so be it.

:yay:Absolutely not. And I'm not now. Granted, I enjoyed his stuff around the end of "Heroes Reborn", but he never was like one of my top 10 heroes. And the events of "Civil War" really turned me against him, seeing him for what he's truly always been-as nothing more than a manipulative, self-serving douchebag. His support of the SHRA, his betrayal of his longtime comrades & supposed friends, the way he duped Spider-Man & ruined his life, no, I am not a fan of Shell-head, DESPITE my thoroughly enjoying the movie. I just know how to separate the two. My perception of the comics doesn't always sway my desire to see a movie. Sure, I love seeing movies based on characters that I'm really into (:spidey:), but I can just as easily be lured to the theater by a movie that can sell itself on its own merits, without me having any preconceived notions about it. I never read "V For Vendetta" until after the movie came out. I'm not really into the Punisher but the 2004 flick will always have a place on my DVD shelf. I wasn't really into Batman before June 1989. In fact, I-like many people-thought the Adam West show to be a completely true & accurate portrayal of him at that time. I rarely read an issue of FF but loved both of those movies. (& I don't read Silver Surfer at all) I had touched a number of Blade comics that I can count on my fingers prior to 1988. And I have yet to read a single issue of "Hellboy".
There are other examples, too-more than I can probably name in a single post.

[C.A.P.]

Yeah been a fan for I don't know how long, way before the movie came out.

[kakashi]

I was aware of the character.I've bought iron man issues on and off in the 90's...wasn't really fan of the character until after CIVIL WAR.

Iron man: director of SHIELD is definitely one of the most underrated book marvel has. It's MILES above anything Brubaker done on Captain America in my opinion.

[Arach Knight]

Is the book enjoyable despite Tony Starks position more or less as a man who sits on top of his high horse? I can't even read Mighty Avengers without the stink of his irresponsible nature, permeating my subconcious. When he was selfish and had drinking problems...I could muster that. Everybody missteps now and then. But it seems like Tony has currently sped ahead at full force, on the path to being intolerable. He is so manipulative and unreliable.

First he tries to quell Registration legislation by hiring Titanium Man to make Super Heroes look necessary. When that fails he just gives up that ideal and instantly swaps it out for the ideal of the legislators. It is especially hard to stomach such a thought when even a person armed with a light knowledge of Iron Man, knows that he spent a few years dodging questions about dual identities.

He went as far as having other people don the armor, just to protect his identity and now he suddenly forgets what that felt like and decides that others who perhaps feel even stronger about secret ID's, should just give themselves up? I don't think I could find the character readable. Every wednesday, I attempt to pick up something Iron Man related. I even debated buying Favreau's mini series about Tony in Vegas. But I just keep thinking about how much of a licensed villain Tony is. That is what he is. The government has licensed him to more or less be a villain. What's worse, is that Tony actually believes himself to still be conducting himself in the interest of the greater good.

Am I just bitter or am I truly missing some impressive stories and character interpreations in the current run of Iron Man? Because at the moment, i'd rather they have assassinated Tony Stark instead of Steve Rogers.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm in FULL agreement, AK.

[dru-zod2501]

I've been into IM since I first saw the 90s cartoon when I was little.

[dru-zod2501]

Is the book enjoyable despite Tony Starks position more or less as a man who sits on top of his high horse? I can't even read Mighty Avengers without the stink of his irresponsible nature, permeating my subconcious. When he was selfish and had drinking problems...I could muster that. Everybody missteps now and then. But it seems like Tony has currently sped ahead at full force, on the path to being intolerable. He is so manipulative and unreliable.

First he tries to quell Registration legislation by hiring Titanium Man to make Super Heroes look necessary. When that fails he just gives up that ideal and instantly swaps it out for the ideal of the legislators. It is especially hard to stomach such a thought when even a person armed with a light knowledge of Iron Man, knows that he spent a few years dodging questions about dual identities.

He went as far as having other people don the armor, just to protect his identity and now he suddenly forgets what that felt like and decides that others who perhaps feel even stronger about secret ID's, should just give themselves up? I don't think I could find the character readable. Every wednesday, I attempt to pick up something Iron Man related. I even debated buying Favreau's mini series about Tony in Vegas. But I just keep thinking about how much of a licensed villain Tony is. That is what he is. The government has licensed him to more or less be a villain. What's worse, is that Tony actually believes himself to still be conducting himself in the interest of the greater good.

Am I just bitter or am I truly missing some impressive stories and character interpreations in the current run of Iron Man? Because at the moment, i'd rather they have assassinated Tony Stark instead of Steve Rogers.
wow, ok... Tony did many questionable things leading up to and after the war, but the act is about protection not just over the right to privacy. I was pro-reg, still am, and still believe Tony's the best qualified to lead

[Arach Knight]

Yeah but lets see what "protection" has led to...

1)The death of Captain America
2)The destruction of New York and Manhattan (World War Hulk)
3)The death of 1 million uninvolved people on the planet Saakar
4)Secret socities operating above the super hero community and world government bodies (the Illuminati)
5)A Skrull invasion (Illuminati)
6)An out of control Sentry (World War Hulk).
7)The death of Bill Foster
8)Meta human prison that violates human rights (inclusive of those noted for heroic service, but defiant of registration).

That last one especially stings. That's like a cop not using his real name when he is a cop. And then because he refuses to give the government his name, they put him in prison and torture him. If you can support that idea in a fictional universe, I dread the thought of how you view real world politics. I'll give Tony credit for still trying to do the super hero thing. He still fights villains and believes in the American government. He is still an Avenger.

Once you get past those shallow qualifications, Tony Stark has truly become a merchant of death. He is a tyrant, traitor, murderer (by association, action and inaction) and over all jerk. With all this focus on retconning Spider-Man, they need to retcon Iron Man. Or at least make him a Skrull. Because at this point, anyone who sees this funny yet intelligent playboy in the movie, is going to be disappointed when they see the self serving jerk that scums up the comic pages. It sends out serious mixed messages.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah but lets see what "protection" has led to...

1)The death of Captain America
2)The destruction of New York and Manhattan (World War Hulk)
3)The death of 1 million uninvolved people on the planet Saakar
4)Secret socities operating above the super hero community and world government bodies (the Illuminati)
5)A Skrull invasion (Illuminati)
6)An out of control Sentry (World War Hulk).
7)The death of Bill Foster
8)Meta human prison that violates human rights (inclusive of those noted for heroic service, but defiant of registration).

That last one especially stings. That's like a cop not using his real name when he is a cop. And then because he refuses to give the government his name, they put him in prison and torture him. If you can support that idea in a fictional universe, I dread the thought of how you view real world politics. I'll give Tony credit for still trying to do the super hero thing. He still fights villains and believes in the American government. He is still an Avenger.

Once you get past those shallow qualifications, Tony Stark has truly become a merchant of death. He is a tyrant, traitor, murderer (by association, action and inaction) and over all jerk. With all this focus on retconning Spider-Man, they need to retcon Iron Man. Or at least make him a Skrull. Because at this point, anyone who sees this funny yet intelligent playboy in the movie, is going to be disappointed when they see the self serving jerk that scums up the comic pages. It sends out serious mixed messages.
You didn't list the ruination of Spider-Man.
The SHRA is unconstitutional, (the method of enforcing it was even moreso)it's the superhero equivalent of the Patriot Act, & it's just an example of the government throwing legislation at a problem to quell the angry masses instead of taking any real action. Heroes didn't kill those 800 people, no matter how reckless & overzealous they may have been; Nitro did. But nothing was being done to reign in the villains, other than handcuffing the only people capable of doing so. Do you truly think anything good would ever come of superheroes being forced to reveal their identited? Do you truly think any lives would be saved as a result? What about all the cops & soldiers who HAVE government-regulated training & STILL make fatal mistakes? Hell, how many government-trained SHIELD agents stupidly got themselves killed when they accompanied Wolverine to take down Nitro?

[dru-zod2501]

Yeah but lets see what "protection" has led to...

1)The death of Captain America
2)The destruction of New York and Manhattan (World War Hulk)
3)The death of 1 million uninvolved people on the planet Saakar
4)Secret socities operating above the super hero community and world government bodies (the Illuminati)
5)A Skrull invasion (Illuminati)
6)An out of control Sentry (World War Hulk).
7)The death of Bill Foster
8)Meta human prison that violates human rights (inclusive of those noted for heroic service, but defiant of registration).
2-7 are just your beefs with Stark, not with the Act, and could've happened whether or not the law was passed. 8 sucks, but they are still violating the law.

You didn't list the ruination of Spider-Man.

The SHRA is unconstitutional, (the method of enforcing it was even moreso)it's the superhero equivalent of the Patriot Act, & it's just an example of the government throwing legislation at a problem to quell the angry masses instead of taking any real action. Heroes didn't kill those 800 people, no matter how reckless & overzealous they may have been; Nitro did. But nothing was being done to reign in the villains, other than handcuffing the only people capable of doing so. Do you truly think anything good would ever come of superheroes being forced to reveal their identited? Do you truly think any lives would be saved as a result? What about all the cops & soldiers who HAVE government-regulated training & STILL make fatal mistakes? Hell, how many government-trained SHIELD agents stupidly got themselves killed when they accompanied Wolverine to take down Nitro?

if the "reckless & overzealous" new warriors had their heads somewhere other than firmly up their asses they might have had their **** together enough to stop Nitro.

heroes getting training for their powers and skills is a bad thing? you can't drop someone into a combat zone and expect them to "learn on the fly."

The battles will still go on, people will still get hurt, property will still get damaged, that won't change but with the act maybe they can do things smarter

[Arach Knight]

How was #7 a beef with Stark? Bill Foster died, defending himself and the civil liberties of others. He died for American ideals while combating an act that was designed to erradicate those ideals liberties. If there was no SHRA, there would be no Avengers and Secret Avengers. There would have been no fight, no clone Thor and Bill Foster would be alive today. His was the most sensless death in the entire series.

[Lobo]

No I wasn't. And while I LOVED the film, I still could not care less about his comic book adventures.

[Crowforge]

Love the movie, love the suit in comics and on screen, hate Tony Stark.

[Chris Wallace]

2-7 are just your beefs with Stark, not with the Act, and could've happened whether or not the law was passed. 8 sucks, but they are still violating the law.



if the "reckless & overzealous" new warriors had their heads somewhere other than firmly up their asses they might have had their **** together enough to stop Nitro.

heroes getting training for their powers and skills is a bad thing? you can't drop someone into a combat zone and expect them to "learn on the fly."

The battles will still go on, people will still get hurt, property will still get damaged, that won't change but with the act maybe they can do things smarterI didn't say getting the training was a bad thing; having it forced upon them is. Plenty of heroes have doen JUST FINE without the government training them or breathing down their necks.
And again, the SHIELD agents had government training & they couldn't stop Nitro either. So your argument about the Warriors possibly being able to do it is without merit.

[Chris Wallace]

How was #7 a beef with Stark? Bill Foster died, defending himself and the civil liberties of others. He died for American ideals while combating an act that was designed to erradicate those ideals liberties. If there was no SHRA, there would be no Avengers and Secret Avengers. There would have been no fight, no clone Thor and Bill Foster would be alive today. His was the most sensless death in the entire series.

You forgot to list the clone/cyborg Thor in the list of atrocities, too.
It's hard to be a fan of Iron Man behind sights like this.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/Pheonix0727/Spider-ManStarkArmor.jpg
Or this.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg159/mikeyhXcDELUXE/svCAPTAIN_narrowweb__300x3780.jpg

[kakashi]

Is the book enjoyable despite Tony Starks position more or less as a man who sits on top of his high horse? I can't even read Mighty Avengers without the stink of his irresponsible nature, permeating my subconcious. When he was selfish and had drinking problems...I could muster that. Everybody missteps now and then. But it seems like Tony has currently sped ahead at full force, on the path to being intolerable. He is so manipulative and unreliable.

First he tries to quell Registration legislation by hiring Titanium Man to make Super Heroes look necessary. When that fails he just gives up that ideal and instantly swaps it out for the ideal of the legislators. It is especially hard to stomach such a thought when even a person armed with a light knowledge of Iron Man, knows that he spent a few years dodging questions about dual identities.

He went as far as having other people don the armor, just to protect his identity and now he suddenly forgets what that felt like and decides that others who perhaps feel even stronger about secret ID's, should just give themselves up? I don't think I could find the character readable. Every wednesday, I attempt to pick up something Iron Man related. I even debated buying Favreau's mini series about Tony in Vegas. But I just keep thinking about how much of a licensed villain Tony is. That is what he is. The government has licensed him to more or less be a villain. What's worse, is that Tony actually believes himself to still be conducting himself in the interest of the greater good.

Am I just bitter or am I truly missing some impressive stories and character interpreations in the current run of Iron Man? Because at the moment, i'd rather they have assassinated Tony Stark instead of Steve Rogers.

I think you're just bitter. It would be pointless for me to recommend the iron man books to you since it's obvious you hated the character.

Incidently, all those things you've mentioned that Tony has done...all those character flaws..those are the things that made me suddenly liked him as a character. Before civil war,i really didn't give a rat's ass about iron man.

before reading Civil war, i was expecting to root for cap and his buddies. but as the story moves along,Tony Stark character becomes more and more interesting to me. I like the fact that he turned out to be a manipulative s.o.b.

I looooved what he done to spidey!

In fact, the only thing that would've make me like the character even more if it turns out that he was somehow responsible for captain America assasination. If that happens, Iron man..the cap killer would be my fav Marvel character :yay:

[Ironfan72]

Man, how did this turn into hate Iron Man thread, first World War Hulk happened thru the actions of all the members of the Illuminati, not just Iron Man, Cap was killed by someone else, blaming Iron Man is a coup out, and don't blame Iron man for ruining Spider man, blame the current story Brand New day for ruining Spidey.
Plus, don't blame Iron Man, blame the writers, not the fictional character.
Both on going series are very good, Iron Man: Directer of Shield is easily one of the best reads in all of comics, Invincible Iron Man just started, juries still out on that one as yet.
It's a shame you take such a negative stand against one of Marvel's greatest hero's because of some of his action's, whether you agree or disagree with what Tony Stark as done over the last year, he i easily one of the most complex and interesting characters in comics today and your missing a great read and one of the best times in the characters 45 year history.

[Chris Wallace]

Man, how did this turn into hate Iron Man thread, first World War Hulk happened thru the actions of all the members of the Illuminati, not just Iron Man, Cap was killed by someone else, blaming Iron Man is a coup out, and don't blame Iron man for ruining Spider man, blame the current story Brand New day for ruining Spidey.
Plus, don't blame Iron Man, blame the writers, not the fictional character.
Both on going series are very good, Iron Man: Directer of Shield is easily one of the best reads in all of comics, Invincible Iron Man just started, juries still out on that one as yet.
It's a shame you take such a negative stand against one of Marvel's greatest hero's because of some of his action's, whether you agree or disagree with what Tony Stark as done over the last year, he i easily one of the most complex and interesting characters in comics today and your missing a great read and one of the best times in the characters 45 year history.
Cap wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't been in custody. He never would have been captured had Tony not betrayed his longtime allies & formed an army against them. Ergot, Tony is responsible. Even he blames himself, as evidenced by his attempt to IMMEDIATELY find a replacement.
"Brand New Day" was done to undo the aftermath of Spidey's public unmasking, which was another of Tony's brilliant ideas.
And TOny has always been self-serving & manipulative, loyal only to himself. The events of Civil War just made this fact clearer.

[Ironfan72]

Yeah, I keep forgetting that Stark pulled the trigger, and Cap was on the losing side in Civil War. Civil War can be looked at the fact that Cap also betrayed his allies and formed a army against the US government.
Also isn't more likely that Stark isn't the one who killed Cap or is it due more do to poor book sales? Iron Man has never been cancelled in his 45 years of published title's and I can't tell you how many times Cap's title has been cancelled, re-started, then cancelled again, etc, etc.
Remember at the end of the day it is a fictional character written by writers telling a story that didn't actually happen.
I'll revisit this after Secret Invasion when all of Stark's self-serving actions help save earth and everyone on it from a Skrull invasion, you know, with a stronger Shield, Superhero's being trained to use their powers effectively, it's only self-serving when no one else benefits from those actions.
And was it Iron Man's fault that Spidermans identity was revealed and they had to re-boot the series of was it due to the sales of Ultimate Spider man kicking the crap out of all the other Spider man titles and all the fans complaining about Parker being Married, blah, blah.

[Arach Knight]

Chris got to it before I had to say it. As for Captain America, the Brubaker run had been a major success. Also, Captain America was cancelled, because of the platform he was created on. It is hard to continue to market a character that is supposed to be this jingoistic super patriot. World War II was over and Cap was one of the largest propaganda tools of the time. But he did make a come back. Also, I don't know how you can say Iron Man never had a cancelled book.

Tales of Suspense #39-99 (March 1963 - March 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner (April 1968)
Iron Man Vol. 1, #1-332 (May 1968 - Sept. 1996)
Iron Man Annual #1-15 (1970-1994)
Iron Man Annual '98-2001
Giant-Size Iron Man (1975)
Iron Man: Crash (1988)
Iron Manual (1993)
Iron Man 2020 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_2020) (Aug. 1994)
Age of Innocence: The Rebirth of Iron Man (Feb. 1996)
Iron Man Vol. 2, #1-13 (Nov. 1996 - Nov. 1997)
Iron Man Vol. 3, #1-89 (Feb. 1998 - Dec. 2004)
Iron Man: The Iron Age #1-2 (Aug.- Sept. 1998)
Iron Man: Bad Blood #1-4 (Sept.- Dec. 2000)
Iron Man Vol. 4, #1 - (Jan. 2005 - Present) (this series was officially titled as The Invincible Iron Man in the comic's legal indicia; Retitled Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man:_Director_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.) from issue 15 onwards on covers only; the comic book would not officially be retitled until issue 29 (June 2008) in the comic's legal indicia).[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#cite_note-directorofshield-18)
Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Annual #1 (Jan. 2008)

Iron Man has had plenty of relaunches of titles.

[Ironman24]

Stark will probably turn out to be a Skrull anyway,lol. I agree that playing the blame game isn't right, each side was wrong during Civil War, Captain America should never have raised a army against the US government, over what was essentially the right thing to do. Iron Man was wrong for doing some of the things he did, it made for a decent story, not a great one, but decent, personally, I don't miss Captain America, to much of a boy scout, the Ultimate version is much better.
As for Spider man, there is so much wrong with that title they had to pull a DC and reboot it, the reveal was one of many bad stories that needed dumped, of course again, Spider Man is another character I don't care for so don't care.
For anyone to judge Iron Man based off of one story is sad, the title is very good and at it's best, if you've never read Iron Man and don't understand the character, then your in no position to judge based off a snap shot, IMO. :iron man

[Ironman24]

Chris got to it before I had to say it. As for Captain America, the Brubaker run had been a major success. Also, Captain America was cancelled, because of the platform he was created on. It is hard to continue to market a character that is supposed to be this jingoistic super patriot. World War II was over and Cap was one of the largest propaganda tools of the time. But he did make a come back. Also, I don't know how you can say Iron Man never had a cancelled book.

Tales of Suspense #39-99 (March 1963 - March 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner (April 1968)
Iron Man Vol. 1, #1-332 (May 1968 - Sept. 1996)
Iron Man Annual #1-15 (1970-1994)
Iron Man Annual '98-2001
Giant-Size Iron Man (1975)
Iron Man: Crash (1988)
Iron Manual (1993)
Iron Man 2020 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_2020) (Aug. 1994)
Age of Innocence: The Rebirth of Iron Man (Feb. 1996)
Iron Man Vol. 2, #1-13 (Nov. 1996 - Nov. 1997)
Iron Man Vol. 3, #1-89 (Feb. 1998 - Dec. 2004)
Iron Man: The Iron Age #1-2 (Aug.- Sept. 1998)
Iron Man: Bad Blood #1-4 (Sept.- Dec. 2000)
Iron Man Vol. 4, #1 - (Jan. 2005 - Present) (this series was officially titled as The Invincible Iron Man in the comic's legal indicia; Retitled Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man:_Director_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.) from issue 15 onwards on covers only; the comic book would not officially be retitled until issue 29 (June 2008) in the comic's legal indicia).[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#cite_note-directorofshield-18)
Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Annual #1 (Jan. 2008)

Iron Man has had plenty of relaunches of titles.

relaunch's aren't out right cancellations, Iron Man didn't dispair for a year then get relaunched, like Captain America. Iron Man has never stopped being published.

[Ironfan72]

Chris got to it before I had to say it. As for Captain America, the Brubaker run had been a major success. Also, Captain America was cancelled, because of the platform he was created on. It is hard to continue to market a character that is supposed to be this jingoistic super patriot. World War II was over and Cap was one of the largest propaganda tools of the time. But he did make a come back. Also, I don't know how you can say Iron Man never had a cancelled book.

Tales of Suspense #39-99 (March 1963 - March 1968)
Iron Man and the Sub-Mariner (April 1968)
Iron Man Vol. 1, #1-332 (May 1968 - Sept. 1996)
Iron Man Annual #1-15 (1970-1994)
Iron Man Annual '98-2001
Giant-Size Iron Man (1975)
Iron Man: Crash (1988)
Iron Manual (1993)
Iron Man 2020 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_2020) (Aug. 1994)
Age of Innocence: The Rebirth of Iron Man (Feb. 1996)
Iron Man Vol. 2, #1-13 (Nov. 1996 - Nov. 1997)
Iron Man Vol. 3, #1-89 (Feb. 1998 - Dec. 2004)
Iron Man: The Iron Age #1-2 (Aug.- Sept. 1998)
Iron Man: Bad Blood #1-4 (Sept.- Dec. 2000)
Iron Man Vol. 4, #1 - (Jan. 2005 - Present) (this series was officially titled as The Invincible Iron Man in the comic's legal indicia; Retitled Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man:_Director_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.) from issue 15 onwards on covers only; the comic book would not officially be retitled until issue 29 (June 2008) in the comic's legal indicia).[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#cite_note-directorofshield-18)
Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Annual #1 (Jan. 2008)

Iron Man has had plenty of relaunches of titles.

lol, man that's alot of one shot's, limited editions and annuals that never intinded to more that one issue, so naturally they would be end as there never was to be a issue 2, 90% of what you have listed are all one issue series, like Iron Manual.
As for all the other's, the title was relaunched by Marvel, the title never stopped be published,unlike Captain America which was cancelled, not relauched, cancelled at least 5 times, not relauched and renumbered. Iron Man never stopped for years on end, it continues, get your facts straight.

[Arach Knight]

Also isn't more likely that Stark isn't the one who killed Cap or is it due more do to poor book sales? Iron Man has never been cancelled in his 45 years of published title's and I can't tell you how many times Cap's title has been cancelled, re-started, then cancelled again, etc, etc.
Remember at the end of the day it is a fictional character written by writers telling a story that didn't actually happen.


Well lets take a look at the sales of Caps book back when Cap was still alive. Time for a flashback to Janurary of this year...

1Hulk1$2.99Marvel133,8952Amazing Spider-Man546$3.99Marvel127,8563Captain America34$2.99Marvel127,524


Yep...Cap had terrible sales alright. He was only a few hundred issues shy of outselling Marvel's poster boy. And where was Iron Man's sales in all of this?
53Iron Man25$3.99Marvel38,041



I'll revisit this after Secret Invasion when all of Stark's self-serving actions help save earth and everyone on it from a Skrull invasion, you know, with a stronger Shield, Superhero's being trained to use their powers effectively, it's only self-serving when no one else benefits from those actions.

Wait you mean S.H.I.E.L.D. the agency that got taken out in the first issue of Secret Invasion? You mean the folks who got blown up on the Hellicarrier? Or are you talking about Tony's actions such as leading the Illuminati in a solo effort against an intergalactic alien empire without informing...I dunno...at least the rest of the super hero community? You mean those negligent "I'm supreme dick head...I mean dictator of the Marvel U, so I can decide to wage war against other races and empires, because I feel like it" actions?

The actions that gave the Skrull empire all they needed to be undetectable to magic, mutant powers and non-mutant powers? You mean the same Tony Stark that recorded his conversation with Jessica Drew? You mean the same Tony that brought the body of Elektra to another Skrull, even though in an issue of Illuminati, Black Bolt was a Skrull. You mean those actions that Tony took? Yeah...those are all world saving tactics...


And was it Iron Man's fault that Spidermans identity was revealed and they had to re-boot the series of was it due to the sales of Ultimate Spider man kicking the crap out of all the other Spider man titles and all the fans complaining about Parker being Married, blah, blah.

Wait...Spidey getting its butt kicked by Ultimate Spider-Man? You mean like that same Janurary where Captain America (when he was alive) was having such "terrible" sales that Marvel decided to assassinate him. You mean...these sales?


2Amazing Spider-Man 546$3.99Marvel127,856
28Ultimate Spider-Man 118$2.99Marvel58,753
53Iron Man 25$3.99Marvel38,041
38Ultimate Iron Man II2$2.99Marvel46,211

Yep...Spidey sure was suffering at the hands of his alternate title. By 26 whole slots...How dare Ultimate Spider-Man sell so far behind its mainstream counterpart. And just because i'm so nice, i'll even post up April (the most recent month listed on Diamond).

8Amazing Spider-Man555$2.99Marvel86,885
31Ultimate Spider-Man121$2.99Marvel56,622
58Iron Man28$3.99Marvel35,747

12Captain America37$2.99Marvel80,619
Ouch...Steve kicks Tony's rear end even from beyond the grave. Imagine that. I was even nice about the Spider-Man sales figures. Because I could have posted the other two issues of Amazing, which still outpaced Iron Man by leaps and bounds.

[Arach Knight]

relaunch's aren't out right cancellations, Iron Man didn't dispair for a year then get relaunched, like Captain America. Iron Man has never stopped being published.


Iron Man Vol. 2, #1-13 (Nov. 1996 - Nov. 1997)
Iron Man Vol. 3, #1-89 (Feb. 1998 - Dec. 2004)


That right there is a three month gap in publication. Not to mention the two month gap between volume 1 and volume 2. I'm not saying that he had lengthy gaps, but your assertion made it seem like Iron Man hasn't skipped a month in its entire run.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, I keep forgetting that Stark pulled the trigger, and Cap was on the losing side in Civil War. Civil War can be looked at the fact that Cap also betrayed his allies and formed a army against the US government.
Also isn't more likely that Stark isn't the one who killed Cap or is it due more do to poor book sales? Iron Man has never been cancelled in his 45 years of published title's and I can't tell you how many times Cap's title has been cancelled, re-started, then cancelled again, etc, etc.
Remember at the end of the day it is a fictional character written by writers telling a story that didn't actually happen.
I'll revisit this after Secret Invasion when all of Stark's self-serving actions help save earth and everyone on it from a Skrull invasion, you know, with a stronger Shield, Superhero's being trained to use their powers effectively, it's only self-serving when no one else benefits from those actions.
And was it Iron Man's fault that Spidermans identity was revealed and they had to re-boot the series of was it due to the sales of Ultimate Spider man kicking the crap out of all the other Spider man titles and all the fans complaining about Parker being Married, blah, blah.

Cap's allies were the American people, & his opposition was against an unjust law, not America. Don't get it twisted. And I know we're supposed to be law-abiding, but when the law is wrong, you can't be expected to blindly enforce it. As a black man, I can think of SEVERAL "laws" that were wrong & unjust, and only by direct oppostion were the people able to get them turned around.

[Ironfan72]

As I've said, I'm moving on from this hate fest, it's sad that all you have to do all day is try and prove me wrong, with very hate filled replies.
I've made my points and stand by them, my biggest being this is all fictional and never actually happened in real life, it's a comic book, if your taking this as personal as you seem to be, i suggest professional help, as you are twisting reality with fiction.

[Ironman24]

Man talk about piling on Ironfan72, he made alot of great and accurate points, but it all got lost by the mean spirited replies, if you don't like Iron man that's cool, but don't hate on people who do.

[Chris Wallace]

As I've said, I'm moving on from this hate fest, it's sad that all you have to do all day is try and prove me wrong, with very hate filled replies.
I've made my points and stand by them, my biggest being this is all fictional and never actually happened in real life, it's a comic book, if your taking this as personal as you seem to be, i suggest professional help, as you are twisting reality with fiction.

1-nobody said it was real life. Why do you keep pointing out that it's fiction while at the same time defending the character? A character's actions can't be criticized within the context of the story in question? We're simply pointing out that the character-as he was written-came off as a two-faced, manipulative, self-serving jerk. We pointed out where his actions supported these statements. And this is hardly inconsistent writing with regard to how he carries himself. But if your only argument is that we should not attack a fictional character, then STOP DEFENDING A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. You take issue with others' logic but come from an equally illogical position.
And for the record, it's hardly a hate-fest either. It's a question of how we felt about the character before & after seeing the movie. I enjoyed the movie but it didn't affect my perception of the character one iota.

[Arach Knight]

Man talk about piling on Ironfan72, he made alot of great and accurate points, but it all got lost by the mean spirited replies, if you don't like Iron man that's cool, but don't hate on people who do.

Mean spirited? What is this, preschool? I am an adult attending to a conversation about a hobby. I don't think i'm being mean spirited. Ironfan72 decided to make several erroneous statements, including...

1)Ironman having an uninterrupted run of his book
2)Captain America selling poorly
3)Ultimate Spider-Man outselling Amazing Spider-Man

Now if I point him out as being wrong with statistics that are can be identified, how does that make me mean spirited? For proving him wrong? It's not like I called him an idiot, a fool or stupid. Up to this point it has been an intense but rather cordial discussion. People can disagree and not be "mean spirited." And I agree with Chris. If you feel we are getting bent out of shape about a fictional character, then by the same measure you are getting just as bent out of shape by trying to defend him.

[LadyKayoss]

Getting back to the original question here:

No, I wasn't an IM fan before the movie. I knew a little about him, since all the Marvel characters invevitably cross paths at some point, but I hadn't seen anything to interest me. I hadn't even had plans to see the movie, either; I still remembered when Tom Cruise's name was attached, which made me want nothing to do with the film. But RDJ isn't Tom Cruise, and the first trailer was intriguing. Plus, I really needed to get my mind off things going on in my life, and my only other option was "Made of Honor."

I think I chose wisely. 'Course, now I'm upset because I don't have the money to go out to my local comic book store and see just what I've been missing all these years (recent events like the Civil War aside.)

[Iron_Stark]

Or are you talking about Tony's actions such as leading the Illuminati in a solo effort against an intergalactic alien empire without informing...I dunno...at least the rest of the super hero community? You mean those negligent "I'm supreme dick head...I mean dictator of the Marvel U, so I can decide to wage war against other races and empires, because I feel like it" actions?

The actions that gave the Skrull empire all they needed to be undetectable to magic, mutant powers and non-mutant powers? You mean the same Tony Stark that recorded his conversation with Jessica Drew? You mean the same Tony that brought the body of Elektra to another Skrull, even though in an issue of Illuminati, Black Bolt was a Skrull. You mean those actions that Tony took? Yeah...those are all world saving tactics...

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read! So now it's Tony's fault the Skrulls are invading? So it's Tony's fault for them experimenting on superheroes and replicating thier powers? Ever here of the original Super Skrull? I guess that's Tony fault aswell. And even though it's written in thier history, in thier bible that Earth belongs to them, it's Tony's fault for the Invasion? and the rest of the Illuminati are innocent?

Yeah I can see how a frail human with a bad heart can bully the smartest man on the planet, one of the most powerful mutants on the planet and two Kings who are very powerful. :whatever: Yeah they must've been scared sh**less when Tony forced them to go the Skrull Empire.

Please never post on the internet, ever.

[Chris Wallace]

Mean spirited? What is this, preschool? I am an adult attending to a conversation about a hobby. I don't think i'm being mean spirited. Ironfan72 decided to make several erroneous statements, including...

1)Ironman having an uninterrupted run of his book
2)Captain America selling poorly
3)Ultimate Spider-Man outselling Amazing Spider-Man

Now if I point him out as being wrong with statistics that are can be identified, how does that make me mean spirited? For proving him wrong? It's not like I called him an idiot, a fool or stupid. Up to this point it has been an intense but rather cordial discussion. People can disagree and not be "mean spirited." And I agree with Chris. If you feel we are getting bent out of shape about a fictional character, then by the same measure you are getting just as bent out of shape by trying to defend him.
That's the killing part; not one personal attack or ad hominum remark has been made toward any of the Iron Man supporters, & yet they're getting so defensive. If we're SO wrong to attack a fictional character, why are they geting offended by us doing so?

[Arach Knight]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read! So now it's Tony's fault the Skrulls are invading? So it's Tony's fault for them experimenting on superheroes and replicating thier powers? Ever here of the original Super Skrull? I guess that's Tony fault aswell. And even though it's written in thier history, in thier bible that Earth belongs to them, it's Tony's fault for the Invasion? and the rest of the Illuminati are innocent?

Yeah I can see how a frail human with a bad heart can bully the smartest man on the planet, one of the most powerful mutants on the planet and two Kings who are very powerful. :whatever: Yeah they must've been scared sh**less when Tony forced them to go the Skrull Empire.

Please never post on the internet, ever.

Yep...a guy with a suit of powered armor that is capable of taking out most of the people in the Marvel Universe. That's not a threat. The Skrulls only used a virus to take it out, because its so powerful...but that is hardly threatening at all right? Please save the condescending tone for somebody less formidable.

Tony's presence (along with the Illuminati) gave the Skrulls what they needed in order to remain undetectable. The Skrulls would have been likely to invade. They have done so several times in issues of Fantastic Four as well as Captain America (to name a few). So it was only a matter of time before they tried again. But what Tony did was stupid. He led a small team that told no one of their location or actions, against an alien empire. All Tony did was hand over an advantage to the Skrulls while simultaneously pissing them off even more.

So yes it is his fault. They wouldn't have as much of an advantage now, if he wasn't so controlling. And you made assumptions pal. I never said Skrulls got their power replication from Stark and the Illuminati. Super Skrull has been around for a while. And yes i'm aware of him. But you know what Skrulls couldn't do before Stark and his pals showed up? They couldn't pass for human around the likes of Spider-Man, Wolverine or Strange. But now they can. I think you should adhere to some of your own advice on posting.

[Ironfan72]

Well, I will say this, an aweful lot of attention has been given to an off topic "debate", the question was were you a fan before the movie, and apparently Chris Wallace and Arach Knight were not, thank for your comments, we appreciate them.
Thank you LadyKayoss for attempting to get this topic back on track, it's nice to see you take an interest in ol' shellhead, Iron Man: Directer of Shield is a great place to start reading if you so choose and Invincible Iron Man just started, issue 2 came out yesterday and was terrific.
And thank you Ironman24 and IronStark for your comments, it's a pleasure to see and hear from fellow Iron man fans, both of you made well thought out points, much appreciated.
As for any erroneous comments made about Captains Americas sales, those are correct, no mention was made about the current run, but of several previuos attempts over the last 50 years to make Captain America work and failed.
As for Spider Man, well mistakes happen, we are all adults, Utimate Spider Man is out selling most other titles and if I made a mistake then my fault.
And as for the Iron man run, again, after speaking with several friends who own and operate a couple local comic shops, they agree that Iron Man has had a uniterrupted run, they point the titles that will skip a couple months for reasons known only to the publisher, but in comic circles, Iron Man is considered to be a uninterupted series.
Now, I'm sure that didn't solve anything, I'm sure someone will have a intellgent come back and point out statics and misread comments and put there own spin on what has been said, as of now, for me this is a dead issue and I am moving on.

[Iron_Stark]

Yep...a guy with a suit of powered armor that is capable of taking out most of the people in the Marvel Universe. That's not a threat. The Skrulls only used a virus to take it out, because its so powerful...but that is hardly threatening at all right? Please save the condescending tone for somebody less formidable.

Tony's presence (along with the Illuminati) gave the Skrulls what they needed in order to remain undetectable. The Skrulls would have been likely to invade. They have done so several times in issues of Fantastic Four as well as Captain America (to name a few). So it was only a matter of time before they tried again. But what Tony did was stupid. He led a small team that told no one of their location or actions, against an alien empire. All Tony did was hand over an advantage to the Skrulls while simultaneously pissing them off even more.

So yes it is his fault. They wouldn't have as much of an advantage now, if he wasn't so controlling. And you made assumptions pal. I never said Skrulls got their power replication from Stark and the Illuminati. Super Skrull has been around for a while. And yes i'm aware of him. But you know what Skrulls couldn't do before Stark and his pals showed up? They couldn't pass for human around the likes of Spider-Man, Wolverine or Strange. But now they can. I think you should adhere to some of your own advice on posting.


Please, Strange, Namor, Black Bolt and Charles are too powerful to be bullied by Tony and Reed would've gone along with Tony since he's got a history with the Skrulls. Quit trying to act as if Tony put a gun to thier head and forced them to go.

Read the goddamn books again, Tony wasn't leading squat. He's not the leader of the Illuminati, he wasn't the one speaking to the Skrulls. They're all equals and equally responsible for what they did to the Skrulls and pissing them off.

Show me the scans or the issue and page where Tony takes control of the team, leads them to the Skrull empire and talks to the Skrull emporer himself with the rest of the Illuminati standing in the background not saying anything.

Was it his idea? Maybe, but the rest of the team could've said no and walked off.

Does this look like he was leading the team?

http://i28.tinypic.com/29kw6wx.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/smu0qt.jpg

I posted scans of the Illuminati being equals, now YOU post some pics of this exclusive Illumanti book that only you and a few others have seen that shows Iron Man bullying, forcing and LEADING the team to the Skrull empire.

[Arach Knight]

Have you read Secret Invasion? Did you not see Tony call the rest of the Illuminati together in Illuminati, to which Namor remarked that he wasn't aware that the members could be called upon. Iron Man said he deemed it necessary. I never once said the word "bullied." Does leading sound like bullying to you? Did JFK bully the American people, or lead the American people? I don't honestly think i've seen such an illogical contortion and showing of immaturity in a long time. Even for the internet.

And this topic is on point. Somebody asked if anyone liked Iron Man before the film. I commented on how I loved the film, but I find his current incarnation to be hard to tolerate. Somebody then commented that Iron Man was one of the most under rated Marvel books on the shelf. I disagreed and openly stated that I may be too hostile or the character really has become piss poor in the face of some very low grade characterization (don't feel bad though Iron fans. I'm a Spidey fan and he has been written out of character). And if you don't believe that he is written out of character, then take heed of the scribes of these books. Even Brian Michael Bendis took jabs at how out of character many people have been, since shortly before Civil War (he does this in New Avengers). I don't have to agree that Iron Man is a great character. No more than you have to agree that he is currently not a fun character.

Don't sit her and blatantly lie about what I have said, ignore facts I post up to prove you wrong. The opinions of comic shop owners does not prove more valid than recorded history. I've shown charts with several gaps in Iron Man's run, that were more than the usual semi-monthly gap that is listed in the copyright print of every Marvel comic. As for Captain America's run, again I see ignorance prevailing. Don't try and tell me that only Cap's past history counts, while you discount the current times in which Iron Man has been outsold (gravely) for over a year, by Captain America. So Cap doesn't always have poor sales anymore than Iron Man has had a continuous run (and skipping three months is not a continuous run. That's one quarter of the year with no solo title).

[Ironman24]

Touchy, touchy, a couple people here have anger issues and have no problem calling people lier's, very childish and down right sad. It's a shame how some people can't tell the difference between cancelled and relaunched. Ironfan72's right, Iron Man was never cancelled and Captain America was several times, deal with it.

[Iron_Stark]

Have you read Secret Invasion? Did you not see Tony call the rest of the Illuminati together in Illuminati, to which Namor remarked that he wasn't aware that the members could be called upon. Iron Man said he deemed it necessary. I never once said the word "bullied." Does leading sound like bullying to you? Did JFK bully the American people, or lead the American people? I don't honestly think i've seen such an illogical contortion and showing of immaturity in a long time. Even for the internet.

And this topic is on point. Somebody asked if anyone liked Iron Man before the film. I commented on how I loved the film, but I find his current incarnation to be hard to tolerate. Somebody then commented that Iron Man was one of the most under rated Marvel books on the shelf. I disagreed and openly stated that I may be too hostile or the character really has become piss poor in the face of some very low grade characterization (don't feel bad though Iron fans. I'm a Spidey fan and he has been written out of character). And if you don't believe that he is written out of character, then take heed of the scribes of these books. Even Brian Michael Bendis took jabs at how out of character many people have been, since shortly before Civil War (he does this in New Avengers). I don't have to agree that Iron Man is a great character. No more than you have to agree that he is currently not a fun character.

Don't sit her and blatantly lie about what I have said, ignore facts I post up to prove you wrong. The opinions of comic shop owners does not prove more valid than recorded history. I've shown charts with several gaps in Iron Man's run, that were more than the usual semi-monthly gap that is listed in the copyright print of every Marvel comic. As for Captain America's run, again I see ignorance prevailing. Don't try and tell me that only Cap's past history counts, while you discount the current times in which Iron Man has been outsold (gravely) for over a year, by Captain America. So Cap doesn't always have poor sales anymore than Iron Man has had a continuous run (and skipping three months is not a continuous run. That's one quarter of the year with no solo title).

No you said Iron Man LEAD the team to the Skrull empire and that Secret invasion id HIS fault.

Again I ask, POST SCANS OF IRON MAN LEADING THE TEAM TO THE SKULL EMPIRE.

Calling the team in to talk to them about an invasion is hardly "Leading the team"

I love people's logic, Iron Man did controversial thing during Civil War and he's labeled a douche, scumbag and other names I can't post, yet the beloved Spider-Man constantly acts like a little whiny beotch, puts his well being before his wife and old frail aunt, destroys his sacred vow of marriage because he's a selfish prick and makes deals with Satan, "oh it's the writers fault", "Marvel writers and Quesada are writing him wrong" and other B.S. :whatever: It's F'n pathetic.

Just so you know, no Iron Man has never been cancelled, I've been collecting EVERY issue of his since '88 and it's never been cancelled.

[Iron_Stark]

edit, double post

[Arach Knight]

No you said Iron Man LEAD the team to the Skrull empire and that Secret invasion id HIS fault.

Again I ask, POST SCANS OF IRON MAN LEADING THE TEAM TO THE SKULL EMPIRE.

Calling the team in to talk to them about an invasion is hardly "Leading the team"

I love people's logic, Iron Man did controversial thing during Civil War and he's labeled a douche, scumbag and other names I can't post

I have not once used the word douche or any harsh names. I haven't over looked all of my comments so there may be a chance that I said scumbag, but even that is unlikely. Furthermore...Iron Man is the head figure of the Illuminati.

"The group forms at some time in the aftermath of the Kree-Skrull War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kree-Skrull_War), and probably after the Avengers/Defenders war. Iron Man realizes that each of the individual members had information about these alien races beforehand, and they could have collectively stopped it. He brings together the Illuminati with the Black Panther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_%28comics%29) in Wakanda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_%28Marvel%29), and proposes that they form a government of superhumans."

Since he is the one calling them together each time, that sounds to me, like he is the leader of the group.


yet the beloved Spider-Man constantly acts like a little whiny beotch, puts his well being before his wife and old frail aunt, destroys his sacred vow of marriage because he's a selfish prick and makes deals with Satan, "oh it's the writers fault", "Marvel writers and Quesada are writing him wrong" and other B.S. :whatever: It's F'n pathetic..

Ummm...I never said that Spider-Man wasn't written out of charcter. In fact I specifically addressed that.

"don't feel bad though Iron fans. I'm a Spidey fan and he has been written out of character." Yeah...I pretty much already stated that Spider-Man has been taken through the crapper and improperly written. But thanks for adding in all kinds of fun comments about Quesada that I never brought up.


Just so you know, no Iron Man has never been cancelled, I've been collecting EVERY issue of his since '88 and it's never been cancelled.

Ummm...I never said he was cancelled. I said "I don't see how you can say Ironman never had a cancelled book." I also said that he has not had a continuous run.

con·tin·u·ous
–adjective 1.uninterrupted in time; without cessation: continuous coughing during the concert.

Yep...I'd say three months (one financial quarter) pretty much counts as interrupted. You know...the opposite of uninterrupted. But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth for a second time. And thanks for demonstrating your utter inability to utilize something known as the truth. I love it when liars accuse me of things only to be later proven wrong through proper quotation.

And Iron Man Annual (one of his formerly regular titles) has been cancelled (The same as saying Spider-Man has had cancelled books, including Spectacular and Web Of). It has a four year gap of no publication, before being brought back (and subsequently cacnelled). Even then, Iron Man's main book (which is of contention) has had several two and three month interruptions. Several times (and you can quote me) my main argument was that Iron Man has not had an uniterrupted run.


All in all, you have been condescending and quite the jerk. I know people will disagree and even get heated, but you have no need to result to sarcasm and a jerkish attitude. You should learn something from Ironfan72. Obviously he vehemently disagreed with me, but he remained tenable the entire time we disagreed. Even when I provided facts (which I could tell flustered him) he kept a neutral tone in the conversation. You on the other hand have turned to all out verbal assault. Please grow up and stop being a liar by misrepresenting what people have said. I at least have the decency to quote you.

[zmystico]

I wouldn't say I was a fan, but I liked Iron Man and liked the cartoon, I was never much on comics...even my beloved Batman's. When I saw they were making a movie I got alot more excited about him, which led me to read up on shellhead's history. I loved the movie and would put IM as my second favorite superhero. I think the fact he's not some alien superbeing back from the dead really appeals to me like Batman, he's just a man thats using his intelligence to be more than just a man.

[Ironfan72]

I wouldn't say I was a fan, but I liked Iron Man and liked the cartoon, I was never much on comics...even my beloved Batman's. When I saw they were making a movie I got alot more excited about him, which led me to read up on shellhead's history. I loved the movie and would put IM as my second favorite superhero. I think the fact he's not some alien superbeing back from the dead really appeals to me like Batman, he's just a man thats using his intelligence to be more than just a man.

I agree that's what appeals to me as well about Iron Man, he doesn't have super powers, (he does now after Extremis), but Batman would be in my top 5favorite hero's, I'm glad you liked the movie and hope you continue following ol' Shellhead's explotes.

[chiefchirpa]

Iron Man is here to stay no matter how flawed he is. Tony often forces his dreams to be reality at the expense of anything. That makes Tony Stark different from Peter Parker & Steve Rogers who are clearly more passive and let SHIELD give them jobs.

Goliath killed by Skrull Pym who definitely programmed Clor to kill, do not blame on Tony Stark & Reed Richards.

I always agree that Iron Man is Marvel's Batman. Not as noble as Batman, yet accomplishes more with greater implications.

[chiefchirpa]

That's the killing part; not one personal attack or ad hominum remark has been made toward any of the Iron Man supporters, & yet they're getting so defensive. If we're SO wrong to attack a fictional character, why are they geting offended by us doing so?
So what’s your fav character – Black Panther?


Hmm, I say T’Challa is always the callous moron that keeps the cure for cancer out from the needy. And the comics always live by the sales of cross-events. Without it, Panther sells like 25k-30k per month. If it could be subject to cancellation.

Quid pro quo.

[Arach Knight]

So what’s your fav character – Black Panther?

If it’s ain’t Joe Quesada pet ethnic projects it would be subject to cancellation.

Quid pro quo.

So you find fault in Joe Quesada (who himself is Cuban) attempting to diversify the appeal of comic books, by promoting titles that do not limit thelselves to Caucasian characters? Even alien races (Kryptonians, Shi'Ar, New Gods) are shown to be Caucasian in most comic book media. Is it that bad that Joe Quesada (being a minority himself) is understanding enough, that if you are to make these characters and worlds believable and appealing to all, that you will have to represent everybody?

That is why minority readership is so low for comic books. Because a minority child isn't as likely to feel like they can be the characters they see. I agree that Black Panther is a low selling book that has relied on gimmicks (some of which I dislike, such as marrying him to Storm) to maintain some sort of stable sales, but I would not assail the characters ethnicity in some poorly made effort to assault a member of these forums. Such remarks (based on the statements you've made and not on any reasoning you have yet to provide) seem to indicate a series of deeper issues that you may have with ethnic minorities.

If you have an issue with people disliking the character, then leave that issue with the discussion of the character. Do not be so ignorant that you would make racially charged (and questionable) remarks about any "pet ethnic projects." I am not a moderator of these forums, but I would say that such comments are uncalled for.

[C. Lee]

So what’s your fav character – Black Panther?


Hmm, I say T’Challa is always the callous moron that keeps the cure for cancer out from the needy. And the comics always live by the sales of cross-events. Without it, Panther sells like 25k-30k per month. If it’s ain’t Joe Quesada pet ethnic projects it would be subject to cancellation.

Quid pro quo.
Do you realize that this post is rather racist in tone? Do not continue to make such remarks here.

[chiefchirpa]

Such hypocricy. I do not come to a thread called "fan of Black Panther" and blast him. I criticize Black Panther in an Iron Man thread because there's no prohibition what so ever for attacking or defending a fictional character as spoken by Chris Wallace. It's no holds barred so it may be not up to your stomach.

And you come to make a hissy fit because I seem to dislike the character. I don't dislike Panther (which is actually different from you on Iron Man) except in the comics he and Wakanda keep the cure for cancer medicine from the rest of the world. But I still think the Panther is a noble king that care about his people, caring husband (I like Storm marriage) and a master strategist. Positive marks for T'Challa. See if you can say positives on Iron Man. Furthermore, I don't like the direction under Hudlin who almost universally thought as a bad writer.

Tell you what look yourself in the mirror. Don't criticize if you don't want to get criticized. And I don't know you and Chris Wallace are the same guy.

[Arach Knight]

This thread is about the status of fans and potential fans, due to the recent Iron Man film. Someone had said that they felt that Iron Man:Director of Shield, was an under rated title. I said that I felt the book to be unreadable in its current direction and that the portrayal of Tony in the film is so dated comparaed to his current take, that unfamilar readers who have only seen the film will be disappointed. That was followed by a series of insults, verbail assailing and a mass of undue rudness. When somebody felt that Iron Man was being bashed, I persisted to list a series of events and actions that are the fault of Tony Stark.

When Captain America's death was brought up, the only response was something along the lines of "Marvel killed Captain America because his book sells so poorly compared to his Ultimate version, just like 616 Spider-Man that sells worse than Ultimate Spider-Man." They then said that Iron Man had a continuous run during his entire history. I prove all three statements wrong and not only are the facts ignored, I am further met with an unnecessary level of hostility and now, racism. There is no hypocrisy here. Only ignorance. Accept that which is and allow this thread to run a less hindered course, less the moderators close the thread or ban you (or others).

[chiefchirpa]

I have edited that part out and criticize BP out of the sensitive context. I am Asian and I too is a minority (or not?) so don't get mad if I talk as it's. Anyhow I have edited out that part & apologize for that particular one.

I have every right to criticize any characters that you feel as your idolized characters as have you done to Iron Man. I may not feel highly so much on Iron Man, but these gentlemen with Iron Man names might and you might have very well pissed on their parade. Say your feelings, and begone. It's no use to keep prattling about some opinions that we have already known and there are discussions more interesting than getting mad on this particular thread.

I think you're not mature enough if Moderators work here is to ban people other than me who have different opinons than yours. And the real insipid ignorance here is when you don't have any feelings on a thread obviously made to put a speak good word on Iron Man comic character, you need to piss on their parade. A tactful course is to say the reason you don't like Iron Man, and off this thread. This is not the comics thread when you can say any opinions on IM, this is thread for people enthusiastic after watching the movie. Even if it's not prohibited, there's an unwritten boundary that shouldn't be brought over the line. It's like in party honoring someone, you need to become a party pooper (once-twice is not a party pooper, multiple posts & acting defensive when clearly own writings are the culprit is party pooper). I don't know how it fares in your values, but in my Asian values that's just plain rude.

[Ironman24]

I think most lost sight of what this thread was about, were you a fan before the film, It's very gradifying to see new and enthusiatic fans of Iron Man, and want to take interest in the character and his rich 45+ year history, Iron Man DOS is a under-rated book IMO, you can read it or not that's fine. There are several comic charcters I do not like and I would never go to there baords and attack there fans and degrad the character, unfortunitly, that same respect was not given to Iron Man and the fans of that character, in this thread.

[C. Lee]

I first started reading Iron Man when he still had the clunky gold suit (yep, I'm that old)....I followed just about all of the Marvel characters religiously until the late 80's....then, due to several factors, I got out of reading any comic on a regular basis (many, I haven't read any of their books for years)....I am a fan of Stark and many other Marvel characters....but I don't have an intense knowlege of thier storylines for years. This hasn't hurt my enjoyment of the movies in the least.

[Chris Wallace]

Such hypocricy. I do not come to a thread called "fan of Black Panther" and blast him. I criticize Black Panther in an Iron Man thread because there's no prohibition what so ever for attacking or defending a fictional character as spoken by Chris Wallace. It's no holds barred so it may be not up to your stomach.

And you come to make a hissy fit because I seem to dislike the character. I don't dislike Panther (which is actually different from you on Iron Man) except in the comics he and Wakanda keep the cure for cancer medicine from the rest of the world. But I still think the Panther is a noble king that care about his people, caring husband (I like Storm marriage) and a master strategist. Positive marks for T'Challa. See if you can say positives on Iron Man. Furthermore, I don't like the direction under Hudlin who almost universally thought as a bad writer.

Tell you what look yourself in the mirror. Don't criticize if you don't want to get criticized. And I don't know you and Chris Wallace are the same guy.
1-don't lump me in with another poster like that; and I only have ONE profile on here.
2-this thread posed a question. I answered it & gave my reasons why.

[chiefchirpa]

1-don't lump me in with another poster like that; and I only have ONE profile on here.
2-this thread posed a question. I answered it & gave my reasons why.

Well said.

[Phatman]

I've been a fan since the 80's. I have both michiline Layton runs and the Kaminiski Hopgood run, most of the Marvel Legends. Tony, Iron Man and jim Rhodes are my favorite characters in the MU.

[Eagle_23]

I've been an Iron Man fan since the 90's. In fact, back then he was by favorite superhero, now it's Batman. So ya, I was a fan way before the movie. Am very happy the movie/character has finally gotten the recognition that it has w/ the recent movie release.

[Genixx]

yep. i read some of my first Iron Man comics back in the late 80s early 90s.. and started collecting it from then on. even hit comic shops so i could get some of the older issues. even picked up a few tales of suspense issues. then i stopped collecting comics for a few years...i 'fell off the wagon' and now ive started collecting again. :) why iron man? not sure what really was the big draw besides the kick a$$ armors. :)

[body_crumbles]

I saw the movie first, and have been reading up on some of the comics because I really enjoyed the movie. What a different character Tony is though; in the comic, he hasn't really changed all that much and his movie part really makes him a more likable guy. I still have more to read, but a lot of people don't like him and I feel awkward saying this, but I'd still do him. ;P

[The Chris]

I was introduced to Iron Man by way of the mid 90's or so cartoon, which I really liked at the time. Didn't connect with Iron Man again until the civil war and was shocked, confused, and interested in what was going on. The movie is gonna make me pick up some more Iron Man comics, even though I know the humor and likability that RDJ infused ain't there.

[Ironfan72]

I was introduced to Iron Man by way of the mid 90's or so cartoon, which I really liked at the time. Didn't connect with Iron Man again until the civil war and was shocked, confused, and interested in what was going on. The movie is gonna make me pick up some more Iron Man comics, even though I know the humor and likability that RDJ infused ain't there.

I'm glad to see your interested in picking up Iron Man titles, there both very good, I also feel the same way about the lack of humor and likability that the movie had and the comics don't, both titles have become very seriuos in tone, while still great reads, the fun and humor of the 80's aren't there anymore.

[wolfboy]

Of course I was a fan of Iron Man before it came out. What am I, a newbie? Seriously though, I'm glad that all these superhero films will introduce a new generation to the comic book world. It's great that it's being so widely received when back in the day it would just be laughed at.

[Team Andino]

I wasn't a huge fan but I was a fan. The whole events from the Civil War really made me not like Iron Man to much but after how good the movie Iron Man was I cant help but like him a lot more now. Robert Downey Jr. did such a great job that its not only made him likable to me again but made comic books alot more appealing to common movie goers everywhere, and if any comic book movie can do that then Im all for it

[jamesjuhn]

To be honest, No. Never seen a IM comic book before the movie came out, and only read brief explanation in wikipedia before watching the film (and I was really impressed!). Same can be said about TIH as well. Both movies totally passed my original expectations and have converted me to be a fan(although I liked TDK better than both I was a batman fan to begin with so I am a bit biased I guess).

My rating:

The Incredible Hulk: Very Good

Iron Man: Great

The Dark Knight: Instant classic

[TwilightPro101]

I started reading at the point where Tony was paralyzed and Iron Man was controlled by Tony's mind from the confines of his bed. Rhodey basically resigned within that issue at that point.

[AnorexicBatman]

Who here thinks that the only way to redeem the current Iron Man/Tony Stark would be to make him go through his own origin once more? Captured and tortured but this time by the Skrull (It could happen). This is one of the things I liked about the movie. It makes you feel really bad for him. I watched at home and had a DOS comic on my lap. Movie Stark & Comic Stark are two very different creatures.

As I was saying, worst of all, as he lies in his prison, screaming in pain, Cap's ghost comes along and says, "Giving up so easily soldier?"

I think that would hurt him. The realization that the man he indirectly killed is so noble that he does not blame Tony for his actions. Basically a huge "Mind *****"

This is in lieu of someone suggesting a reboot to make him more likable and similar to his movie counterpart. I even got a title name: IRON MAN - Re-Design

[The IronMan]

The first comic I ever bought was an Iron man comic in 1981

[Spider-Fan]

Iron Man I have been a fan of for years. I have plenty of Iron Man comics, and the Avengers has always been one of my favorite books (though Cap is my favorite Avenger related character period).

I actually am not huge on what they've done with Stark lately, but that is just me.

[Dr Strange]

I have been a fan for a while now, i loved the character before the movie came out, when it was annouced that they were doing a film and Downey Jr was Stark i was over the moon.

[Anubis]

I'm actually digging Stark more so now than I did before because of the events in the comics that have shown the world just how much of a douche bag he is. You gotta love a guy like that.

[Abstract]

I've been a fan since watching the cartoon growing up. I loved it, even if Tony did have a mullet.
Since then I've been reading the comics more or less since I got into comics roughly 10 years ago and I've loved it even more.