Who Was The Green Goblin?

[Sarcastic Fan]

So, who was the Green Goblin? Is the mystery over?

I still say that it was, indeed, Norman Osborn. Poor Harry was set up.


* When the Goblin stole the tech-flight glider from OsCorp, it didn't have the bat-head designed to fire pumpkin bombs and extend a spear on it yet. Harry does not have the technical know-how to add on a feature like that. Norman does. Or the expertise to add that Inhibitor cannon to it. Harry's a moron.
* If Harry were the Green Goblin, he would have attacked the Fall Formal instead of going after Tombstone.
* How would Harry even have access to the Globulin Green in the first place?
* Why would Harry attempt to kill Octavius? Norman knew Otto was a liability, Hammerhead said so in "The Invisible Hand". Norman berated Otto for being a weak man. Then he dressed up as the Goblin so he would have an alibi to show Hammerhead.
* The Green Goblin and Norman Osborn both had the same safety key for Otto's experiment.
* The Big Man was only ever referred to as "Mr. Lincoln" by Norman once and that was in the underground lab while Rhino was being created. Harry could not have overheard that.
* Norman Osborn just so happens to have a secret chamber, which we never saw the inside of. Where's Harry keeping the glider and equipment... not under his bed. For that matter, stealing one or two vials of Globulin Green, I can buy... but we've seen Harry drink from too many.
* Norman's knowing smirk at the end of "Reaction" about unmasking the Goblin before it's too late.
* Peter tipped his hand, told the Goblin he figured out who he was. The Goblin knew Spidey would be coming to the Osborn residence.
* Harry in "Goblin mode" didn't admit to anything except taking the drug. To be the son Norman always wanted. A straight A student and a star athlete.
* Norman is thrown twenty feet up a wall by Harry and is uninjured.
* Refineries like that don't exist in Manhattan, it looks like Elizabeth, NJ... right across the Hudson River. The Goblin can fly directly over that, Spidey needs to take a detour. Enough to give Norman plenty of time to slip off the costume, injure a tripped out Harry's leg and place the costume on his son.
* Why would the Goblin just unmask like that in front of Spider-Man? If it were Harry, and the Green made him more intelligent, he would not have gone home that night.
* And it was Norman himself who rationalized it all at the end (a very rehearsed sounding explanation). Then offered to take he fall.

Norman is the Goblin and the mystery is far from over.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Norman was and always has been the Goblin. Dirty, rotten scumbag setup his own son to throw Spidey off his trail.

Thanks for laying all that stuff out again, Sarcastic Fan, as I'm not sure I'd be able to remember all of it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I defenitley think Norman set Harry up and as I have said, Chameleon is most likely involved in some way.

[Sarcastic Fan]

I defenitley think Norman set Harry up and as I have said, Chameleon is most likely involved in some way.

Yeah, but I don't think Chameleon knows that he was involved. It's just one of those things that worked out well for Norman. Hence his first "What the ****?" reaction followed by hysterical laughter.

[Anwar]

I still think it was both of them, Norman using Harry as a puppet for the really dangerous stuff or when he wanted things done but wanted suspicion thrown off him by using Harry while he has witnesses putting Norman as somewhere else.

IE, Norman didn't just set Harry up, he used him as a pawn and a test subject for new weapons and the Globulin Green's long-term effects.

[Sarcastic Fan]

I still think it was both of them, Norman using Harry as a puppet for the really dangerous stuff or when he wanted things done but wanted suspicion thrown off him by using Harry while he has witnesses putting Norman as somewhere else.

IE, Norman didn't just set Harry up, he used him as a pawn and a test subject for new weapons and the Globulin Green's long-term effects.

Except that I don't think the Norman we saw when we saw the Goblin was Norman at all.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, but I don't think Chameleon knows that he was involved. It's just one of those things that worked out well for Norman. Hence his first "What the ****?" reaction followed by hysterical laughter. Well, if Chameleon doesn't know, then how would he be able to trick Spidey with this Goblin story? I could be misunderstanding your post though.

[Anwar]

Except that I don't think the Norman we saw when we saw the Goblin was Norman at all.

Oh I agree, but I also think that was more to mess with us than the chars within the show. So even with that scene Norman and Harry could both be the Goblin.

[sauronthegreat]

Finally, a thread for the most popular issue on this board. Norman is the Green Goblin. It's obvious, but nevertheless masterfully done.

[Anwar]

Well, if I'm wrong than I at least it won't be such a knock-off when Kingsley does it to Leeds (who in turn does it to Lefty Donovan and Flash Thompson).

[Sarcastic Fan]

Well, if Chameleon doesn't know, then how would he be able to trick Spidey with this Goblin story? I could be misunderstanding your post though.

What I mean is, Chameleon disguised himself as Norman to steal from OsCorp. Not under Norman's employ. When Norman/Goblin saw Norman/Chameleon, at first he was surprised but then laughed it off (not to blow his cover).

It has nothing to do with fooling Spider-Man, it just worked out in his favor.

[Anwar]

Yeah, I still think that was more to fool the audience than it was to fool anyone IN the show.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh I agree, but I also think that was more to mess with us than the chars within the show. So even with that scene Norman and Harry could both be the Goblin. Exactly the way I see it, they both were the Goblin, but who was fighting Spidey. I'm pretty sure Harry fought Spidey in the new episode, but one way or the other, as I have said, the Green Goblin's true identity will be revealed.

[Spider-ManHero12]

What I mean is, Chameleon disguised himself as Norman to steal from OsCorp. Not under Norman's employ. When Norman/Goblin saw Norman/Chameleon, at first he was surprised but then laughed it off (not to blow his cover).

It has nothing to do with fooling Spider-Man, it just worked out in his favor. Now that is a great idea in my eyes! :up:

[spider-neil]

where is the both option?

[Webhead2006]

Yea i still believe they both could have possibly been the goblin there is many points showing this.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Chameleon just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I thought something was funny about the Goblin's grin when he looked at "Norman." Dang, I love this show.

[Spider-ManHero12]

where is the both option? I was wondering the same thing.

[Spectacular23]

i clearly think it was botj of them it has to be.

Norman came up in with the serum drunk it and became GG in catalyst but in uncertainly principle harry stole it and then he became GG so it both it make perfect sense.

[Spiderine]

Yeah, but I don't think Chameleon knows that he was involved. It's just one of those things that worked out well for Norman. Hence his first "What the ****?" reaction followed by hysterical laughter.
I agree 100% with your assessment as I have mentioned this as well. Chameleon was at the right place at the right time and had nothing to do with Norman at that particular time. Chameleon was just as confused as anyone else. All he was trying to do is steal files.

[Venom 1988]

Yea If you listen to Norman during that scene he says:

"A thief, here? What did HE steal!?

The way he said he, was very odd, like trying to make sure he wasn't gonna get caught

[Spiderine]

Yea If you listen to Norman during that scene he says:

"A thief, here? What did HE steal!?

The way he said he, was very odd, like trying to make sure he wasn't gonna get caught
Yeah, he knew he wasn't the only thief in the building that night.:cwink:

[hpwiz89]

It has to be Norman Osborn.

[Parquagh]

Everybody Loves Norman, including myself, lol just look at the poll, Norman's popular!

[Spider-ManHero12]

Everybody Loves Norman, including myself, lol just look at the poll, Norman's popular! Lol. :up:

[Arcturus]

I'm going to have to agree with Sarcastic Fan. Even when I watched the Uncertainty Principle, I thought there more to the story then was revealed.

[vegeta21]

Anyone who is a fan of Gargoyles knows that Greg Weisman has a tendency for things to not always be as they appear.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Norman is a better actor than MJ. Seriously, that was a masterful performance.

[Anwar]

Well, that's a small bit of bad analogy MJ was always portrayed as a struggling actress not some mega-success. Her real claim to fame was modeling.

But yeah, Norman's the man.

[PJBoy]

Chameleon is most likely involved in some way.
Absolutely

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Anyone who is a fan of Gargoyles knows that Greg Weisman has a tendency for things to not always be as they appear.

Man, that show was superb. No surprise this one is too. With this episode, we were shown that the Goblin mystery is far from over. I'm guessing Gobby will lay low for a while.

[Styleshift]

Nothing is ever as it seems with Norman...
I still say the dialog was a clue as to which goblin is which.

In the comics the green goblin referred to himself in 3rd person. (when he was norman.)
Harry never did this as the goblin.

So I think thats a big tip that the gobby in Catalyst was norman. I think harry caught norman using the formula. and stole it for himself later...than eventually norman caught harry stealing it...and began using him

it makes more sense for harry to know what that stuff does before actually drinking it. (seeing his father improve from using it.) than for him to throw random chemicals down his throat.

[spider-neil]

watched the episode AGAIN (definately getting the dvds this show has so much rewatch value) and my own personal observations are thus

a) spidey shouts out he knows norman is the goblin and osborn's address is obviously common knowledge so norman knew spidey would be coming more than enough time to make preperations for harry to take the fall.

as someone else mentioned spidey was out of web fliud so would have taken him (spidey) AGES to reach the osborn residence.

b) when harry is trying to take off the mask he is doing it in a desparate manner like you or I would if we woke up with a bag over our heads and the first thing he says when the mask is off is 'what am I doing with a goblin costume I had a cheerleader outfit' (parapharasing)

c) over the secret chamber which norman exits there is a pumpkin mask

d) norman goes to work through the front door the way the security talks he (the guard) sounds surprised which leads me to believe norman has a private entrance, an imposter wouldn't know this. once in his office 'norman' starts downloading all his files, why would he need to do this they are HIS files I'm pretty sure he has thoses files at home and at work, when he ('norman') here's the explosion and the assistant tells him there is a thief he say 'a thief? here? what'd 'HE' steal' which inplies more than one thief.

the look on goblins face was weird my interpritation(sp) is this, norman was wearing the goblin outfit stealing more tech and then saw 'norman' which must has freaked him out a little but was short on time so couldn't deal with the imposter.

I'm starting to think harry at no point was the goblin and the time you see him in the outfit norman put him in the outfit and damaged his leg.
my guess is norman knows harry is taking early versions of his goblin drink with all the side effects (memory lose/blackouts) and used this to his advantage.

[Don Yoyo]

once in his office 'norman' starts downloading all his files, why would he need to do this they are HIS files

It might be files that are stocked on another drive in the complex, because I don't think he has everything on a laptop. When he needs specifics on a certain subject, he just takes them where they are and look at the info on his laptop.

c) over the secret chamber which norman exits there is a pumpkin mask

I'm not a specialist about 616 GG, but I heard that he took that costume because of some fantasy creature that really scared him in his youth, right? So what if they changed it a little, and made Harry afraid of all the masks his father seemed to love, that he would use when under the Goblin persona?

[FNSpidey]

It might be files that are stocked on another drive in the complex, because I don't think he has everything on a laptop. When he needs specifics on a certain subject, he just takes them where they are and look at the info on his laptop.

It might be, but why show the viewers he's downloading something? If it was just that, I'd accept it as a red herring, but the guard commenting on his presence and "Norman's" reactions upon hearing about a thief indicate something more is at work here.

I'm not a specialist about 616 GG, but I heard that he took that costume because of some fantasy creature that really scared him in his youth, right? So what if they changed it a little, and made Harry afraid of all the masks his father seemed to love, that he would use when under the Goblin persona?

That's precisely right, his father threw Norman in an empty mansion at night (no lights of course) and Norman was terrified of a goblin-like creature he thought he heard. Of course, it could be that the producers made Harry afraid of the mask. But as mentioned many times elsewhere, revealing Harry as the Goblin would not only be obvious and unfaithful to the source, but a lot of little clues (like the tidbits about Norman above) would fall flat and indicate bad writing.

So, I still think Norman's the Goblin. If they said otherwise, I'd be very disappointed. Not because I'm a fanboy purist, but because it'd mean I overestimated the show's writers. Instead, revealing Norman as the Goblin would prove they meticulously placed all those little clues there for a reason and still played their cards so right they even had us hardcore fans doubting the truth. So, with one stroke we could have masterful writing, faithfulness to the source and Norman/GG as a manipulating SOB, deserving of the title of Spidey's greatest enemy.

[rohitiyer]

Hey everyone,

Great ideas! One question though - who is in the goblin suit when the goblin attacks Oscorp industries and what's the explanation for that?

[vinny2]

Hey everyone,

Great ideas! One question though - who is in the goblin suit when the goblin attacks Oscorp industries and what's the explanation for that?

Norman was the Goblin and Chameleon was Norman.

[spider-neil]

Hey everyone,

Great ideas! One question though - who is in the goblin suit when the goblin attacks Oscorp industries and what's the explanation for that?


to completely remove suspicion from norman osborn, if norman solely went after the bigman all fingers would point at norman as you saw when hammerhead confronted norman.

the only sticking point for me is why would norman attempt to take out doc ock? the only explanation I can come up with is he was tired of the doc's continual failures.

[Nathan]

the only sticking point for me is why would norman attempt to take out doc ock? the only explanation I can come up with is he was tired of the doc's continual failures.

Or because Otto is the one that could bring Norman behind bars, because he's the only person that could connect Norman to the superfreaks he helped create. Which Hammerhead reminded Norman so nicely of in a previous episode.

[Don Yoyo]

It might be, but why show the viewers he's downloading something? If it was just that, I'd accept it as a red herring, but the guard commenting on his presence and "Norman's" reactions upon hearing about a thief indicate something more is at work here.

There is another thing : okay, he downloads files, but where is he going to put them??? I didn't see a hard-drive or some kind of key to stock the data he would have stolen.

But as mentioned many times elsewhere, revealing Harry as the Goblin would not only be obvious and unfaithful to the source, but a lot of little clues (like the tidbits about Norman above) would fall flat and indicate bad writing.

Well given the way people are focusing so much on details and discussing about it on the web, I wouldn't be surprised if authors used those just to get everyone thinking and finally proven completely wrong :woot:

To put it clearly, I really don't think that Norman was the GG at any point. But I do believe that Harry stealing the Globulin Green, hearing about all the technology in Oscorp could be a way for Norman to test the formula and the weaponry. Basically, he would have made sure that his son had the opportunity to steal the formula and then would have monitored him to see what would happen.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Saw it again last night. All the people saying Harry is the Goblin seem to overlook that when he took of the mask, he seemed to be gasping for air, an indicator that he has no idea how he got into that costume.

[FNSpidey]

There is another thing : okay, he downloads files, but where is he going to put them??? I didn't see a hard-drive or some kind of key to stock the data he would have stolen.

You have a point there, although would we really need to see a flash disk or something?

Well given the way people are focusing so much on details and discussing about it on the web, I wouldn't be surprised if authors used those just to get everyone thinking and finally proven completely wrong :woot:

To put it clearly, I really don't think that Norman was the GG at any point. But I do believe that Harry stealing the Globulin Green, hearing about all the technology in Oscorp could be a way for Norman to test the formula and the weaponry. Basically, he would have made sure that his son had the opportunity to steal the formula and then would have monitored him to see what would happen.

You might be right, but having all those clues leading to something is -to me at least- better writing than throwing them in there with little or no explanation. As I mentioned elsewhere, if Harry is indeed the Goblin, I'd like to see how they'll explain his still punch-soaked hands, after putting on a gloved costume, flying around, fighting a couple of foes, removing the costume and putting on his regular clothes. Either he's not the Goblin, or it was a mistake in animation.

[FNSpidey]

Saw it again last night. All the people saying Harry is the Goblin seem to overlook that when he took of the mask, he seemed to be gasping for air, an indicator that he has no idea how he got into that costume.

Playing the devil's advocate here, but this doesn't really prove anything. If the Goblin is another personality of Harry's, then the "Harry" personality wouldn't remember putting the costume on.

[Nathan]

I'd rather have an explanation about what kind of weird punch they were drinking that turned his hands and suit purple like he stuck them into a bucket of paint.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Playing the devil's advocate here, but this doesn't really prove anything. If the Goblin is another personality of Harry's, then the "Harry" personality wouldn't remember putting the costume on.

I doubt it's another personality. Remember Harry has been having black outs due to the green goop. Norman dressed him up and then made up that whole story about Harry developing another personality under the influence of the formula.

[Nathan]

How do you explain Harry limping then? I doubt Norman would go as far as hurting his own son on purpose.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

How do you explain Harry limping then? I doubt Norman would go as far as hurting his own son on purpose.

Norman went to great lengths to set up his son so he could have very well injured him to help his cause.

[FNSpidey]

How do you explain Harry limping then? I doubt Norman would go as far as hurting his own son on purpose.

I do hope they'll reveal Norman injured him on purpose, as this is exactly the kind of man Norman is and it'll introduce a more serious tone in the series. That said, there are other ways of handling this, such as Chameleon, or Harry being somehow already injured and Norman faking his limp. We'll see how it'll play out.

[Don Yoyo]

You might be right, but having all those clues leading to something is


Speaking of clue, I personnaly think the fact that we see the Goblin's eye on Harry's face through the Green (when Gwen speaks to him) means something :cwink:

[Parquagh]

Speaking of clue, I personnaly think the fact that we see the Goblin's eye on Harry's face through the Green (when Gwen speaks to him) means something :cwink:

yeah, at some point Harry will be the goblin, maybe in a couple of seasons, but not now, my guess at this point is Norman

[spida-man]

Speaking of clue, I personnaly think the fact that we see the Goblin's eye on Harry's face through the Green (when Gwen speaks to him) means something :cwink:
i was just thinking about that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymcU2zsSSD8
pause it at 5:07

[spida-man]

Norman went to great lengths to set up his son so he could have very well injured him to help his cause.
was Norman limping at all?

[Sarcastic Fan]

was Norman limping at all?

Goblin healing factor.

[Nathan]

Shouldn't Harry have a healing factor too then?

[vinny2]

Shouldn't Harry have a healing factor too then?

That would be assuming Norman and Harry have been taking the same formula. Norman could have given his soon the test version, saw that it didn't work, and used an improved version.

[Don Yoyo]

Well, Harry's formula does work : an A at all his tests, in the football team, super-strength at the end of the episode, etc. Besides, if Norman had a healing factor he knew about, wouldn't he have simply waited for his leg to heal instead of fleeing???

[spider_man_2]

We're all assuming that the Goblin at the plant, whoever he was, actually was hurt banging his leg on the roof. Didn't he do it AFTER Spidey said Norman Osborn's name? What if it was all part of the ruse? What if he faked the limp, knowing it'd make it easier to frame Harry or someone else afterwards?

[vinny2]

That's why I believe Norman faked a leg injury so he could frame Harry. Either Norman broke his leg when he got home or Harry's leg was already broken from a previous accident.

[Don Yoyo]

What if he faked the limp, knowing it'd make it easier to frame Harry or someone else afterwards?

Her... you DO realise that GG was actually really keen on murdering Spider-Man, right??? Why would he suddenly stop for no reason just to frame someone else??? It doesn't make any sense, even for the Goblin!

[spider_man_2]

Yeah, seeing as how he did such a bang-up job of killing Spidey before, right? He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent. I'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it's possible.

Everything's still possible at this point.

[Nathan]

He actually kicked Spidey's ass pretty good that episode, and if he wouldn't have been really injured, he could've kept going after the one Pumpkin Bomb.

Also, what does it really matter if Spidey knows who he really is? He also knows who the big man is, yet he can't do anything against him.

[Odin's Lapdog]

I'm not really bothered who the goblin is...

if it's harry, good work....

If it's norman, good work

if it was harry sometimes and norman other times, good work

if it was osborn controlling harry, good work...

ultimately they all lead to decent chracter developments so....

although it would be cool to see harry kill gwen on the roof, then die and have norman come after parker for 'killing his son'. Probably a much more sinister twist on the original but at the cost of harry's overall redemption at the end. A small price to pay...

[Don Yoyo]

He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent.

Isn'tto simply kill him the best way to throw him off his scent??? He seemed pretty confident about doing it in the whole episode...

[spida-man]

Yeah, seeing as how he did such a bang-up job of killing Spidey before, right? He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent. I'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it's possible.

Everything's still possible at this point.
then again the goblin laughed at spidey when he called him norman so it could actually be harry laughing at the fact the spidey thinks he is norman.
andwhat if all the "clues" that point to norman just be somthing the writers did to confuse us. I'm sorry but i think Harry is the goblin after all he preview said "Who is the GG? the answer may shock u. find out in today's episode of the SS" so more than likely harry could be the GG. I mean montanna was shocker why not have harry be GG 1?

[Nathan]

And I think it also fits well with the scene of Gwen wondering where Harry and Peter are, and the next scene you see Spidey and GG at each other's throat.

I wouldn't mind if Harry was the first GG and they went with the best friends and enemies angle.

[sauronthegreat]

I think now there is no question who the real Goblin was and who Norman at Oscorp was! It's pointless to even think that Harry was the Goblin.
Nevertheless, as was stated before, because of good character development it doesn't matter in a way. If Harry was the Goblin, and if he doesn't put on the mask anymore, but just die in the future because of the formula... then Norman's revenge against Spider-Man and everyone he loves would make more sinister Norman... but that's not the case, because Norman IS the Goblin! That was just what if... :)

[Farren]

I don't have a problem with Harry as the GG - I think things were set up well for that explanation.

But I think it's Norman. I'm convinced that the Chameleon was posing as Norman when the GG attacked Osborn Industries at the same time "Norman" was there. While that doesn't completely discount Harry as the Goblin in that scene, it casts enough doubt; and I don't think the writers would screw with us like that only so that in the end Harry really does end up as the Goblin - it would piss people off too much.

[Toxin]

I think people are overthinking this to make it true. I just don't see them saying that Norman injured Harry's leg, gave him a test version of the formula, but still a formula that made him super strong and super smart.

And you say that Harry's a moron or not smart enough to design the Gobling gear - the chemicals he was drinking made him extremely smart as well, he was getting perfect grades.

I think it would be cool for it to have been Norman all along, but it's doubtful.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That would be assuming Norman and Harry have been taking the same formula. Norman could have given his soon the test version, saw that it didn't work, and used an improved version. That's exactly what I think. Norman could have been working on that formula inside that secret room and finished it, but for some reason kept the unfinished version.

[Spec Spider-Man]

Still think its Norman.

[SLYspyder]

So, who was the Green Goblin? Is the mystery over?

I still say that it was, indeed, Norman Osborn. Poor Harry was set up.

Wrong, Harry was the Goblin.


* When the Goblin stole the tech-flight glider from OsCorp, it didn't have the bat-head designed to fire pumpkin bombs and extend a spear on it yet.

Harry does not have the technical know-how to add on a feature like that. Norman does. Or the expertise to add that Inhibitor cannon to it. Harry's a moron.

Wait, how the hell do you know that? For all you know, all you have to do is replace missiles with pumpkin bombs.
And did you miss the part where Harry talked about becoming smarter because of the Globulin?


* If Harry were the Green Goblin, he would have attacked the Fall Formal instead of going after Tombstone.

Problems with your father far outweigh stupid silly childish problems. Harry has always tried to please his father. Looking good in his father's eyes is more important that getting with Gloria. As far as I'm concerned, he tried to salvage what was left of the night by doing his father's biddings. Why would he attack the very people he wants to be cool with, as seen in future episodes.


* How would Harry even have access to the Globulin Green in the first place?


I don't know, he LIVES with the person who makes it? You want to tell me you didn't know where your dad hid stuff when you were a kid?


* Why would Harry attempt to kill Octavius? Norman knew Otto was a liability, Hammerhead said so in "The Invisible Hand". Norman berated Otto for being a weak man. Then he dressed up as the Goblin so he would have an alibi to show Hammerhead.

Again, Harry constantly hears his dad whining about his problems. Harry acted on it.


* The Green Goblin and Norman Osborn both had the same safety key for Otto's experiment.

Harry took the key from Norman.


* The Big Man was only ever referred to as "Mr. Lincoln" by Norman once and that was in the underground lab while Rhino was being created. Harry could not have overheard that.

Again, this is pretty much a case of what Norman knows, his son knows.


* Norman Osborn just so happens to have a secret chamber, which we never saw the inside of. Where's Harry keeping the glider and equipment... not under his bed. For that matter, stealing one or two vials of Globulin Green, I can buy... but we've seen Harry drink from too many.

Um, Harry's keeping the equipment in the secret chamber? This is the house he's been living in for who knows how long. You think he doesn't know how to get in the secret chamber to use equipment and formulas?


* Norman's knowing smirk at the end of "Reaction" about unmasking the Goblin before it's too late.

He knows Harry is the Goblin? Know he won't get fingered.


* Peter tipped his hand, told the Goblin he figured out who he was. The Goblin knew Spidey would be coming to the Osborn residence.

Yeah, this definitely means Norman is the Goblin.


* Harry in "Goblin mode" didn't admit to anything except taking the drug. To be the son Norman always wanted. A straight A student and a star athlete.
The son he always wanted includes being GG. I guess he should've written a full confession for Spider-Man and his dad, even though the picture told 1000 words.


* Norman is thrown twenty feet up a wall by Harry and is uninjured.


Anyone could be thrown halfway across the room and be fine. Capt Stacy for example got kicked clear across the room.

It doesn't take super strength to take a fall, but it DOES take Super strength for you to NOT squeal when you get your hands squeezed by the Goblin, which Norman did.


* Refineries like that don't exist in Manhattan, it looks like Elizabeth, NJ... right across the Hudson River. The Goblin can fly directly over that, Spidey needs to take a detour. Enough to give Norman plenty of time to slip off the costume, injure a tripped out Harry's leg and place the costume on his son.
This is Spider-Man we are talking about. He can swing over a hundreds miles an hr, catapult himself using his webs, run faster than GG, leap dozens of feet in the air. There's even a bridge connecting those areas.


* Why would the Goblin just unmask like that in front of Spider-Man? If it were Harry, and the Green made him more intelligent, he would not have gone home that night.

He got owned by Spider-Man and needed air to breathe. Didn't you hear him gasping?


* And it was Norman himself who rationalized it all at the end (a very rehearsed sounding explanation). Then offered to take he fall.

Norman is the Goblin and the mystery is far from over.

Yeah, rehearsed explanation for when Harry eventually got caught. I agree Norman is not innocent in all this, but he definitely wasn't the one SM fought that night.

The whole abusing his son while he was asleep sounds absurd.

If this was a court, your case would be thrown out. None of that is solid evidence. I'll tell you what solid evidence is, the fact the SM injured Goblin's leg, and Harry, NOT his dad, was limping. No way Norman is limping like an injured mule, then 5 min later he's perfectly composed. He's not Wolverine.


I'm glad you made this thread, I can come back and gloat at all the people who think Harry is completely innocent in all this.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Harry is not the Goblin. Trust me, he's not the Goblin. You're actually falling for Norman's ruse.


And your "Spidey can swing 100 mph" **** is spoken like someone who knows nothing about NYC's geography. I've only lived there all my life. What do I know.

As for Norman not limping... he survived getting impaled. Goblin healing factor. Then he sneaks in and breaks his son's leg while he's out cold.

Not to mention, Harry in the costume looked smaller than the Goblin we've previously been seeing.

Also, Greg Weisman is a terrific writer. If Harry knew Tombstone was the Big Man, Greg would have had Norman identify him at the apartment while talking to Hammerhead, not the lab.

I know Greg, I know how he writes. This is the guy who created and wrote David Xanatos.

And as for your "if this were a trial" comment, apparently forty people were swayed, and six people who have no grasp of story telling and mysteries weren't.

I'm willing to dress up like a cheerleader if I'm wrong if you are ;)

[Don Yoyo]

* The Green Goblin and Norman Osborn both had the same safety key for Otto's experiment.

That is non valid at all : Octavius left the key on the board before going in the room for his experiment, and the Green Goblin just reinserted the key to start the experiment, he didn't have one prior. And you would expect Norman, as the head of the company, to have this kind of key on him.

[vinny2]

Those who believe Harry was the one and only Goblin are--perhaps purposely--ignoring the scene where Norman himself sets eyes on the Green Goblin because it casts a large shadow over their theory.

The prevailing belief is that Norman was the Goblin and Chameleon was Norman. It would explain Goblin's WTF look when he saw his reflection walking down the hallway. However, accepting this theory, fueled by the fact that Quentin Beck mentioned that Chameleon has recently disguised himself as a certain "captain of industry" in the following episode, would also be accepting that Norman was in the suit the entire time.

Another theory concerning that scene, a theory I came up with before switching to SF's theory, is that Norman manipulated his son into wearing the Goblin suit for that once scene only in order to throw off suspicion. Once again, this theory comes with the understanding that Norman has always been in the suit. This theory also explains Goblin's weird facial expression. Harry's not dangerous, but he is deranged.

Every scene is in this show for a reason. This scene is constantly ignored, however unfairly, when it is clearly one of the most important parts of the argument. I've hardly ever read a Spider-Man comic book, and therefore not a purist, but I firmly believe that Norman is the Green Goblin.

[Don Yoyo]

What is shown so far is that Harry is the only Goblin. I like it, so I defend it. If it appears to be Norman : fine, I won't complain, it would still be good, even if I would be a little bit disappointed. But for the present time, I believe it's Harry and will continue to defend it.

[FNSpidey]

Just out of curiosity, why would you prefer Harry being the Goblin, since the other option would be more faithful and reveal a more intricate storyline?

[Don Yoyo]

I prefer it because it's unfaithful. Changing the place, putting the father behind the son, making Peter's friend one of his biggest enemies directly, I like it. As for the more intricate storyline... I personnaly don't see it like that in fact, perharps.

[vinny2]

I'm fine with Harry being the Goblin as well, but the pieces don't seem to fall into place so I find it hard to accept it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Still think its Norman. As I said, this is most likely, though as I said, harry could have been the Goblin at one point as well.

[Webhead2006]

Yea there is many factors we all have to look at. Yes they both could and likely were the goblin but from what we know right now we have no solid answer on the goblin's true identity.

[spider-neil]

the SSM team are in a win/win situation.
if they keep the goblin as harry it shows they aren't afraid to go against the grain in regards to telling a story, they also have the benifit of norman becoming a bigger better version of the goblin because they can use the harry goblin a benchmark to beat.

and if they reveal norman as the goblin it will show they are masters of weaving an intricate storyline and leaving clues only the most observant spidey fans will pick up.

[SLYspyder]

Harry is not the Goblin. Trust me, he's not the Goblin. You're actually falling for Norman's ruse.


And your "Spidey can swing 100 mph" **** is spoken like someone who knows nothing about NYC's geography. I've only lived there all my life. What do I know.

As for Norman not limping... he survived getting impaled. Goblin healing factor. Then he sneaks in and breaks his son's leg while he's out cold.

Not to mention, Harry in the costume looked smaller than the Goblin we've previously been seeing.

Also, Greg Weisman is a terrific writer. If Harry knew Tombstone was the Big Man, Greg would have had Norman identify him at the apartment while talking to Hammerhead, not the lab.

I know Greg, I know how he writes. This is the guy who created and wrote David Xanatos.

And as for your "if this were a trial" comment, apparently forty people were swayed, and six people who have no grasp of story telling and mysteries weren't.

I'm willing to dress up like a cheerleader if I'm wrong if you are ;)

Oh, I know about NYC geography. It should take like 25 min to drive from Elizabeth, NJ, to Manhattan. Hm, that translates to about 7 min of swing time. And maybe about 4 min glide time.

You're forgetting one thing. If it was supposed to be known Spidey arrived much later than Goblin, they would've told us. All this detective work you're putting in isn't necessary, especially for a show like this. I remember once before in TAS where Spidey went through a portal and landed somewhere far away from his objective, he straight up said "It's gonna take me an hour to swing back to the other side of town" (he was exaggerating a bit) or something like that.
If what you're saying about travel time is important, they would've given us a shot of GG going over the Hudson, and Spider-Man looking at him, then saying something like "Oh boy, I guess I have to use the long way around." It wasn't important, so they showed GG gliding, then next scene, Spider-Man flies through the door.

I definitely noticed Harry and those Goblin boots made him taller than Spidey, I don't know what YOU saw.

The leg injury healing holds no ground IMO. His regenerative abilities does not work that fast.

Thank goodness Harry doesn't have you guys as a jury, a guilty man would've gotten off scott-free.

[SLYspyder]

Just out of curiosity, why would you prefer Harry being the Goblin, since the other option would be more faithful and reveal a more intricate storyline?

That's exactly what the problem is. What does answering a question about who the Goblin is have to do with personal preference? I DON'T prefer Harry as the Goblin, I'm just stating the facts. It looks like everyone's personal preference here has deluded them into wanting to believe Norman was the one Spider-Man fought.

Don't set yourself up for disappointment.

[SLYspyder]

That is non valid at all : Octavius left the key on the board before going in the room for his experiment, and the Green Goblin just reinserted the key to start the experiment, he didn't have one prior. And you would expect Norman, as the head of the company, to have this kind of key on him.

Looks like your witnesses have been giving perjurious statements, Sarcastic fan.

[SLYspyder]

The prevailing belief is that Norman was the Goblin and Chameleon was Norman. It would explain Goblin's WTF look when he saw his reflection walking down the hallway. However, accepting this theory, fueled by the fact that Quentin Beck mentioned that Chameleon has recently disguised himself as a certain "captain of industry" in the following episode, would also be accepting that Norman was in the suit the entire time.


That wasn't a WTF look. That was the director of the show giving everyone a big surprise. "Hey guys! You all thought Norman was the Goblin. Guess what?! He's not, look at the both of them together!" Even I thought Norman was the Goblin before all that.

Again, why would they have the Chameleon in an episode, but don't mention him at all, not even a scene with the "General" talking about how he's got plans or something. Doing something like that leaves the door WIDE open, as in, you can look at any character in any past episode and say he was the Chameleon.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Well, here's one witness, Mr. Weisman himself. As I've said before, I know the man, I know how he writes. He's been setting up a longer mystery.

Look at Chameleon! That was Chameleon at OsCorp. The Goblin had this "WTF" look on his face before flying off, laughing.

THAT would not have been put in without a reason.

Harry is not the Goblin, and if you are so sure, instead of insulting people by calling them deluded, put your money where your mouth is.

I am challenging you to this bet once again. Loser dresses up as a Cheerleader and posts a picture when the truth is probably revealed by episode twenty-six.

Come on, if you're so sure, do it. Take the bet. Be a man. Have balls.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Again, why would they have the Chameleon in an episode, but don't mention him at all, not even a scene with the "General" talking about how he's got plans or something. Doing something like that leaves the door WIDE open, as in, you can look at any character in any past episode and say he was the Chameleon.


You are not a writer. A line like the security guard pointing out how Norman walked in through the front door is never put in for the Hell of it.

[vinny2]

That's exactly what the problem is. What does answering a question about who the Goblin is have to do with personal preference? I DON'T prefer Harry as the Goblin, I'm just stating the facts. It looks like everyone's personal preference here has deluded them into wanting to believe Norman was the one Spider-Man fought.

Don't set yourself up for disappointment.

I'm not deluded. I'm read five, maybe six Spider-Man comics in my entire life. The first time I EVER saw Spider-Man was an occasional episode of Spider-Man: The Animated Series. (I later went back and watched the entire series through random reruns.) I have seen all three movies and saw about half of the MTV series. About four months ago, I sat down and watched Spider-Man Unlimited on YouTube, along with some episodes of the classic 60's show.

I'm am not one who cares about purity or keeping in line with the comics. I was literally the only person my school who wasn't in an uproar over Aunt Carnage. Whoever they choose to be the Goblin is fine by me, but the evidence points to Norman. Clear and simple.

[DACrowe]

Obvious answer:

Both.

[Farren]

A line like the security guard pointing out how Norman walked in through the front door is never put in for the Hell of it.
I agree. The scripting and continuity in the show so far has been pretty solid - and with a 22 minute window to tell a story each week every scene counts: anything not relevant isn't likely to make it into the final cut.

Plus - we saw Chameleon pose as Norman in "Persona" - he could have posed as any regular person at that party but he chose Norman. I think there's a reasonable chance that these aren't coincidences.

[Syncos]

Oh, I know about NYC geography. It should take like 25 min to drive from Elizabeth, NJ, to Manhattan. Hm, that translates to about 7 min of swing time. And maybe about 4 min glide time.

You're forgetting one thing. If it was supposed to be known Spidey arrived much later than Goblin, they would've told us. All this detective work you're putting in isn't necessary, especially for a show like this. I remember once before in TAS where Spidey went through a portal and landed somewhere far away from his objective, he straight up said "It's gonna take me an hour to swing back to the other side of town" (he was exaggerating a bit) or something like that.
If what you're saying about travel time is important, they would've given us a shot of GG going over the Hudson, and Spider-Man looking at him, then saying something like "Oh boy, I guess I have to use the long way around." It wasn't important, so they showed GG gliding, then next scene, Spider-Man flies through the door.

I definitely noticed Harry and those Goblin boots made him taller than Spidey, I don't know what YOU saw.

The leg injury healing holds no ground IMO. His regenerative abilities does not work that fast.

Thank goodness Harry doesn't have you guys as a jury, a guilty man would've gotten off scott-free.

I could be quoting any post of yours in this thread, not sure why i chose this one. You're fighting awfully hard to make people believe that Harry is the goblin. There's one reason above all that I believe that you're wrong.

The writers of the series have proven they're better than that. It's all pointing to something more elaborate. I don't care if you agree with me. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Valorman]

Norman is goblin, always has been. I'm posting this so when it's revealed their will be one solid post displaying my belief in the truth, and then, I'll have the evidence i need to dance around in my spider themed onesy.

[Casius--J]

Maybe its because i want it to be but i think Norman was always the green goblin and that he set up Harry to take the fall for him!

[Webhead2006]

Yea its likely was really norman and he learned of harry's addiction to the green forumla and used it to his advantage and set him up to take the fall for him. The goblin story is far from being finished we are likely to see more on this next season.

[Spectacular23]

i notice that Norman was never the Goblin,it has always been harry because he was taking the formula in the sandman,shocker,and ock episode.

[Webhead2006]

Well yes he was taking the forumla during those episodes and all that but there is signs pointing it was norman and their is signs pointing it could have been harry. Either it was always norman or it was always harry or maybe it was both. We dont have solid information to make a final confirmed answer on the whole goblin saga so far.

[Spectacular23]

Well yes he was taking the forumla during those episodes and all that but there is signs pointing it was norman and their is signs pointing it could have been harry. Either it was always norman or it was always harry or maybe it was both. We dont have solid information to make a final confirmed answer on the whole goblin saga so far.
Well the on;y reason i thought it was harry because we never saw Norman acting Insane or taking the formula.

[spider_man_2]

Well the on;y reason i thought it was harry because we never saw Norman acting Insane or taking the formula.

We don't need too, either. Not everything needs to spelled out for us. This is a kid's show in name only.

[Webhead2006]

Well yea but they could have designed it to trick us u know red herring and all that.

[Spectacular23]

Well yea but they could have designed it to trick us u know red herring and all that.
Scooby doo? hehe yea but they could have done that.But we do know that harry WAS once the goblin.

[Webhead2006]

yes i know harry was the goblin to in the comics and for the show we just dont really know for sure if norman was really gg1 like it is in all other mediums or if they did make harry truly the gg1 this time around. This goblin story is long from being finished.

[Spectacular23]

yes i know harry was the goblin to in the comics and for the show we just dont really know for sure if norman was really gg1 like it is in all other mediums or if they did make harry truly the gg1 this time around. This goblin story is long from being finished.
Agreed but didn't many other character than just norman and harry took the Goblin suit?

[Webhead2006]

yes in the comics i believe there has been a total of 5 green goblins norman, harry, harry's theripist(spelling) and i think one or two more i dont know their names. Then u got hobgoblin which was also like 3-4 people in 616 spidey.

[spider_man_2]

Well, yeah, Harry was the person inside the suit once... At the end of "The Uncertainty Principle".

[spider_man_2]

yes in the comics i believe there has been a total of 5 green goblins norman, harry, harry's theripist(spelling) and i think one or two more i dont know their names. Then u got hobgoblin which was also like 3-4 people in 616 spidey.

To the best of my knowledge, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn and Barton Hamilton have all taken the mantle of the Green Goblin, while Roderick Kingsley, Jason Macendale, Lefty Donovan and Ned Leeds (these lists are in order of "true Goblin-ness") were once the Hobgoblin in 616 continuity.

It's also my belief that Norman pulled a Leeds on Spidey using his own son.

[Spectacular23]

To the best of my knowledge, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn and Barton Hamilton have all taken the mantle of the Green Goblin, while Roderick Kingsley, Jason Macendale, Lefty Donovan and Ned Leeds (these lists are in order of "true Goblin-ness") were once the Hobgoblin in 616 continuity.

It's also my belief that Norman pulled a Leeds on Spidey using his own son.
ok thanks!

[Webhead2006]

Yea for the show we just dont know for sure on the goblin's real identity and all that. As many of us fans have been saying their is many signs pointing to both of them being the goblin. Yes harry was in the suit when he was unmasked but was he really the goblin we dont know.

[Spectacular23]

Yea for the show we just dont know for sure on the goblin's real identity and all that. As many of us fans have been saying their is many signs pointing to both of them being the goblin. Yes harry was in the suit when he was unmasked but was he really the goblin we dont know.
he had to be in that episode because of the way he through norman against the wall.But that was said becaus he has some "anger issues".

[Webhead2006]

Well yes he has powers and all that but we dont know for sure if he was really the goblin the whole time from episode 7-9 and all that. Norman could have easily been the goblin too and as i said learned of harry taking the forumla and used it to his advantage and all that. Or maybe he as others said did a ned leeds deal and manipulated/brainwashed harry to believe he was the goblin.

[Spectacular23]

Well yes he has powers and all that but we dont know for sure if he was really the goblin the whole time from episode 7-9 and all that. Norman could have easily been the goblin too and as i said learned of harry taking the forumla and used it to his advantage and all that. Or maybe he as others said did a ned leeds deal and manipulated/brainwashed harry to believe he was the goblin.
so you're saying that the formula brainwashed him

[Webhead2006]

no no i was saying norman was the goblin and he could have then found out harry was taking the forumla and all that and maniuplated him/brainwashed him into thinking he was the goblin to throw people of himself and all that.

[Spiderine]

Harry has no idea what happens during these blackouts. You could tell him he was masquerading as a drag queen and he would believe it.

[Venomfan]

Norman said that "Harry was trying to protect him because he overheard Norman being threatened"

doesn't make sense, how would Norman know that Harry overheard that

[Anwar]

He knew Harry was on the other side of the door in "Invisible Hand" so a smart guy like him would put 2+2 together like that.

[Spiderine]

Norman is just full of S***. It was his whole agenda to take out Tombstone,take over the underworld, rid of any incriminating evidence including Otto knowledge of experiments and make it look as if someone dressed as a "Goblin" has been stealing from him. Harry wouldn't have given a damn about any of that.

[Anwar]

He would've wanted to prove himself to his Father and help his Father. Thus by taking out the guy threatening him (Tombstone and Hammerhead) and removing any potential problems (Octavius) he'd be doing so.

Plus, the entire idea of the Green Goblin is more suited to a messed up High School kid than a cold calculating CEO.

[Webhead2006]

Well thats the thing with the whole goblin arch they are keeping us wondering who it really is, and it is far from being finished.

[Spiderine]

See, that just sounds a bit weak. Norman is power driven and there is no limit to his desire to want more and if he feels the least bit threatened in any way he would eliminate the problem in his own twisted way. i think the extent of Harry proving himself to Norman was improving his grades, being a star athlete and a sense of being respected amongst his peers. Norman admires Peter and Harry sees this. That whole unveiling of Harry just didn't sit right and I honestly felt that Norman was the true villain behind the whole charade.

[Spiderine]

Well thats the thing with the whole goblin arch they are keeping us wondering who it really is, and it is far from being finished.
To be continued, Season 2

[Anwar]

See, that just sounds a bit weak. Norman is power driven and there is no limit to his desire to want more and if he feels the least bit threatened in any way he would eliminate the problem in his own twisted way. i think the extent of Harry proving himself to Norman was improving his grades, being a star athlete and a sense of being respected amongst his peers. Norman admires Peter and Harry sees this. That whole unveiling of Harry just didn't sit right and I honestly felt that Norman was the true villain behind the whole charade.

See, this version of Norman doesn't suit me as the kind of guy to dress up like a Goblin and dirty his own hands. He'd either hire a standin, or make some poor schmuck do it for him against their will.

I'm of the camp that Norman let Harry have the Globulin so he could turn him into his personal hitman against Tombstone.

[Webhead2006]

most likely.

[Spiderine]

See, this version of Norman doesn't suit me as the kind of guy to dress up like a Goblin and dirty his own hands. He'd either hire a standin, or make some poor schmuck do it for him against their will.

I'm of the camp that Norman let Harry have the Globulin so he could turn him into his personal hitman against Tombstone.
So the poor schmuck or stand in he gets to do his dirty work is Harry? The son whom turns into a Tony Soprano wannabe. I think Norman knew Spidey figured it out and thus made it look as if Harry pulled the whole caper on his own knowing he could convince Spidey to forget the whole thing and convince spidey he would get his son help. I can't wait till this thing emerges again.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

See, this version of Norman doesn't suit me as the kind of guy to dress up like a Goblin and dirty his own hands. He'd either hire a standin, or make some poor schmuck do it for him against their will.

I'm of the camp that Norman let Harry have the Globulin so he could turn him into his personal hitman against Tombstone.


Well as the old saying goes, "If you want something done right, you've gotta do it yourself." Norman is that type of guy.

[Syncos]

Oh, I know about NYC geography. It should take like 25 min to drive from Elizabeth, NJ, to Manhattan. Hm, that translates to about 7 min of swing time. And maybe about 4 min glide time.

You're forgetting one thing. If it was supposed to be known Spidey arrived much later than Goblin, they would've told us. All this detective work you're putting in isn't necessary, especially for a show like this.
If what you're saying about travel time is important, they would've given us a shot of GG going over the Hudson, and Spider-Man looking at him, then saying something like "Oh boy, I guess I have to use the long way around." It wasn't important, so they showed GG gliding, then next scene, Spider-Man flies through the door.

I definitely noticed Harry and those Goblin boots made him taller than Spidey, I don't know what YOU saw.

The leg injury healing holds no ground IMO. His regenerative abilities does not work that fast.

Thank goodness Harry doesn't have you guys as a jury, a guilty man would've gotten off scott-free.

I just watched uncertainty principle again. Spidey ran out of webbing and let goblin fly off. Saying "Go ahead, I know where you live". So he had to go home and get webbing and then go to Normans tower. Norman had more than enough time to frame Harry.

[Grievous]

I think he was Norman but either way the GG was awesome in this series not matter what.

[Spider-ManHero12]

As I have said, Norman's a clever guy, so I won't be surprised if he did set Harry up or something.

[Spiderine]

Not at all. Just to throw Spidey off.

[Grievous]

As I have said, Norman's a clever guy, so I won't be surprised if he did set Harry up or something.
I agree

[Venomfan]

He knew Harry was on the other side of the door in "Invisible Hand" so a smart guy like him would put 2+2 together like that.
how did he know that? i dont remember them showing that, i just remember Harry walking off with a devilish grin

[spida-man]

who thinks we should stop debating about and just wait and see if anything new is revealed in futre episodes?

[Webhead2006]

yea i totally agree.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed, though it doesn't bother me at all and this thread is meant for disucssing this.

[Venomfan]

well no matter who ends up being the GG 99% of people here will love it regardless lol

[sauronthegreat]

well no matter who ends up being the GG 99% of people here will love it regardless lol

And that's because of the good writing this show has offered so far. :cwink:

[Webhead2006]

yea the writing is great on the show and i still believe the goblin story is far from over, but if it does end up being totally confirmed that harry was really the goblin during episodes 7-9 then cudos to them for doing things in an interesting twist.

[Spider-ManHero12]

And that's because of the good writing this show has offered so far. :cwink: I second that. :up:

[Venomfan]

yea the writing is great on the show and i still believe the goblin story is far from over, but if it does end up being totally confirmed that harry was really the goblin during episodes 7-9 then cudos to them for doing things in an interesting twist.
see i'm the opposite, if it ends up being Harry i think its a total misstep. When i see an adaptation from a book, i like it to be accurate instead of trying to do something new

[Webhead2006]

Yea me too but you got to admit they way they kept use guessing and then the twist was good. I do would like it to be revealed that it is really norman and he just manipulated harry and all that.

[greedyslayer]

see i'm the opposite, if it ends up being Harry i think its a total misstep. When i see an adaptation from a book, i like it to be accurate instead of trying to do something new

And with Norman=Green Goblin I would definitely agree, because I love the Green Goblin, and Norman's him...but, the show's completely won me over with their Goblin-in-costume that whoever he is, I'm satisified. (But I really think/hope it's Norman.)

[Spiderine]

see i'm the opposite, if it ends up being Harry i think its a total misstep. When i see an adaptation from a book, i like it to be accurate instead of trying to do something new
I actually agree with you. Not that I would have a huge problem with it being Harry, it's just when I see the manipulations and evil intentions and murderous traits of the Goblin, I see Norman behind the mask. He was first and should be first in any incarnation. Everything the Goblin did since he appeared in this cartoon just screams Norman and not a 16 year old high school junior trying to take out mob bosses and attempting murder on Norman's employees.

[Venom'sDad]

So the poor schmuck or stand in he gets to do his dirty work is Harry? The son whom turns into a Tony Soprano wannabe. I think Norman knew Spidey figured it out and thus made it look as if Harry pulled the whole caper on his own knowing he could convince Spidey to forget the whole thing and convince spidey he would get his son help. I can't wait till this thing emerges again.

Why would Norman think Spidey would forget everything because it was Harry? :confused:

You seem to imply that Norman knows that Spidey is Pete, which of course has a relationship with Harry. :ninja:

[Anwar]

I actually agree with you. Not that I would have a huge problem with it being Harry, it's just when I see the manipulations and evil intentions and murderous traits of the Goblin, I see Norman behind the mask. He was first and should be first in any incarnation. Everything the Goblin did since he appeared in this cartoon just screams Norman and not a 16 year old high school junior trying to take out mob bosses and attempting murder on Norman's employees.

Yeah, but the idea of dressing up as a Goblin and flying around on a metal bat throwing killer pumpkins at people does sound more like something a drug addicted 16 year old would think up...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea me too but you got to admit they way they kept use guessing and then the twist was good. I do would like it to be revealed that it is really norman and he just manipulated harry and all that. Agreed, it's twists like that that help make some shows great. Heck, the twist still isn't over. I mean, the story really will continue and I'm so excited about it. :up:

[Farren]

Yeah, but the idea of dressing up as a Goblin and flying around on a metal bat throwing killer pumpkins at people does sound more like something a drug addicted 16 year old would think up...Can't argue with that...:hehe:

[Spiderine]

Why would Norman think Spidey would forget everything because it was Harry? :confused:

You seem to imply that Norman knows that Spidey is Pete, which of course has a relationship with Harry. :ninja:
No, I realize Norman has no idea who Spiderman is. That was not what I was implying. What I was insenuating is that Norman, Covering his own a$$, can't let Spiderman discover he is indeed the Goblin as it would be disasterous for him. Since he realizes Spidey knows the truth what he does is make his son the "perputrator" knowing Spiderman is going straight to his residence to confront him. Norman being the quick-thinking smooth talker he is simply insures Spiderman when he shows up that Harry was just a troubled teenager who got addicted to the serum and he informs Spiderman of the consequences if BigMan found out its "Harry". Norman feels that promising Spiderman, playing the sympathy angle, that he will get Harry the help he needs because HE LOVES HIS SON:whatever:. How Sweet.

Anyway I could be wrong, just my theory on things.

[spida-man]

see i'm the opposite, if it ends up being Harry i think its a total misstep. When i see an adaptation from a book, i like it to be accurate instead of trying to do something new
well things normally are never a straight forward 100% the same when they become and adaptation though right?

[Lizard]

I love all this what seems to be denial. :oldrazz: This series has shown Harry as the Green Goblin. It's a departure from the comics, yes, and I think people are having trouble dealing with that fact.

[Webhead2006]

Well lizard we are not really that sure if harry was truly the goblin for all the episodes goblin appeared in so far. There was many signs pointing to norman and many signs pointing to harry. Yes harry was revealed as the goblin but was he really the goblin we dont know 100% sure on that. The goblin story is far from being over.

[Sarcastic Fan]

I love all this what seems to be denial. :oldrazz: This series has shown Harry as the Green Goblin. It's a departure from the comics, yes, and I think people are having trouble dealing with that fact.

Nope, no denial ;)

[spida-man]

Is it so hard to accept the possibility that Harry could be the Green Goblin? I saw The Uncertaincy Principal for the first time today and it really seems as if Harry is the Green Goblin. Maybe that's why it's called the uncertaincy principal because nobody here knows for sure who the real Goblin is in this series so far. But it defanetly seems to be Harry

[Sarcastic Fan]

So, did you see the latest press release?

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=22

Coincidentally, The Spectacular Spider-Man voice cast recorded its final episode of the series' second season on Thursday, June 12 -- culminating another 13-episode arc that promises more familiar characters, unprecedented action and shocking twists than viewers can begin to imagine (though message board participants have certainly outdone themselves in their speculation). Even the cast -- which includes self-professed comic book geeks like Josh Keaton (Peter Parker/Spider-Man), James Arnold Taylor (Harry Osborne), Steve Blum (Green Goblin, Chameleon) -- admitted they were caught off-guard when reading the script prior to entering the recording booth.

"This show has actually gotten me watching Saturday morning cartoons again," Keaton said. "I'm in front of the TV with my bowl of cereal every Saturday morning and, even though I'm about 13 episodes ahead of everyone else – I already know what's going to happen – I still love waking up and watching because it's so much fun to see how it all comes together. And if you liked the first season, well I'll say this: You may think you know what happened in the first season, but the second season is going to change all that. Prepare to be surprised."

Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

:gg:

[Syncos]

Is it so hard to accept the possibility that Harry could be the Green Goblin? I saw The Uncertaincy Principal for the first time today and it really seems as if Harry is the Green Goblin. Maybe that's why it's called the uncertaincy principal because nobody here knows for sure who the real Goblin is in this series so far. But it defanetly seems to be Harry

You're right. It certainly seems like they're trying to make people believe that it's Harry.

The best twists, are the unexpected.

[Anwar]

I still say it was both of them: Norman using Harry as a test subject for the effects of long-term Globulin usage and then as a surrogate for the more dangerous/menial Goblin assignments.

[Spiderine]

Can't wait to see how this ends........or begins for that matter.

[Webhead2006]

Yea hopefully like most of us been thinking there is still more going on with the goblin.

[Grievous]

I agree, If the Goblin was Harry looks like they would of been more clear with it.

[Webhead2006]

Yea and the way the arch went they were tricking us and throwing us off alot on which osborn was really him. So i cant wait to see how it all comes out.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So, did you see the latest press release?

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=22



Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

:gg: I knew it! :up:

[Arcturus]

Hahahah, Sarcastic Fan wins.

:up:

[Grievous]

yeah because if it was Harry then why did they not just unmask him at the final fight.

[hpwiz89]

Well if it turns out to be Harry I will be very surprised.

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Arcturus]

I wonder how soon in Season 2 Green Goblin will return.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wonder how soon in Season 2 Green Goblin will return. Me to! I say most likely the middle of the season or something.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i wonder that too, my guess maybe in the middle/towards near the end.

[Spider-Gnome]

I voted Norman. These guys like to change things up (Shocker's id, Big Man-possibly). But for the main plot points, they are faithful.

Kudos to those who offered Chameleon as impersonating Norman in the only Goblin/Norman confrontation. That makes perfect sense, based on the security guard's dialogue. Then in a later episode, we see Chameleon impersonate Norman in the Black Cat episode. I think that was a big enough tip off.

I have great faith in these guys. They will keep Goblin's roots true.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i to think its norman or its was both we will just have to wait and see what goes on with gobby in the near future.

[Anwar]

Of course, the question then becomes why Norman remained perfectly normal when he must have also have been using a performance enhancer, yet Harry became more arrogant and aggressive.

[vinny2]

Of course, the question then becomes why Norman remained perfectly normal when he must have also have been using a performance enhancer, yet Harry became more arrogant and aggressive.

The obvious answer would be that they are taking different formulas. I think that Norman deliberately gave his son the test version of the Globulin Green just to see how he would react. Seeing that it was flawed, Norman fixed it before taking it himself.

[Spider-Man '92]

Norman is definitly the Green Goblin. Harry was set up.

[Parquagh]

Norman is definitly the Green Goblin. Harry was set up.

exactly, Norman must have the fully developed formula, that wy he heals fast and is in some way not crazy

[Spider-Gnome]

Of course, the question then becomes why Norman remained perfectly normal when he must have also have been using a performance enhancer, yet Harry became more arrogant and aggressive.

Because Norman already was arrogant and aggressive?

I think the show is following Norman as he is in the comics, post return. He is very much in control, like a Lex Luthor to Spidey's Superman. But, I still thinks he is also probably crazy, like a split personality. He also may be having those amnesia fits he had in the comics.

I just trust, Norman is the true Goblin. Harry took the formula and gained confidence and athletic ability, but is addicted to the stuff and suffers blackouts. I think, with the exception of when Harry unmasks at the end, every time we saw the Goblin, it was Norman.

Also, remember the first Goblin episode? Harry got mad and crushed those cups and had purple punch all over his hands. When we see him again, at the end of the episode featuring a great Goblin/Spidey fight, he still has the purple punch all over his hands.

And the Norman/Goblin scene at Oscorp? I'm still going with the Chameleon as Norman (security guard conversation/Chameleon's Norman mask during the Black Cat episode).

[Syncos]

exactly, Norman must have the fully developed formula, that wy he heals fast and is in some way not crazy

Not crazy is all relative. Norman's obviously crazy in his own right, if he's willing to become the goblin, take on tombstone and spider-man, and set up his own son.

I think Norman is a little more crazy than he's letting people know, though. I'm sure he's just better at seeming more cool and confident around people. He's calculating. He's not going to start laughing manically in front of spidey when spidey suspects HIM of being the goblin, now, is he?

[Sarcastic Fan]

Not crazy is all relative. Norman's obviously crazy in his own right, if he's willing to become the goblin, take on tombstone and spider-man, and set up his own son.

I think Norman is a little more crazy than he's letting people know, though. I'm sure he's just better at seeming more cool and confident around people. He's calculating. He's not going to start laughing manically in front of spidey when spidey suspects HIM of being the goblin, now, is he?

Indeed. Hannibal Lecter is cool and calculating as well. But he's one crazy ****er.

[Eddie Brock]

At this point, it's stupid to say that Norman is the Goblin or is somehow manipulating Harry. That just completely ruins their 'twist.' It's bland, predictable, and it's been done before. We've all read the comics. We've all watched the TV shows. We've all seen the movies. This will go down as the worst 'twist' in history if they turn around and say, "Norman is the Green Goblin!"

[Valorman]

At this point, it's stupid to say that Norman is the Goblin or is somehow manipulating Harry. That just completely ruins their 'twist.' It's bland, predictable, and it's been done before. We've all read the comics. We've all watched the TV shows. We've all seen the movies. This will go down as the worst 'twist' in history if they turn around and say, "Norman is the Green Goblin!"
I feel bad for you when they do just that. open your eyes bud, the truth's coming for ya!

[Mr. Joker]

Harry Osborn was definitely the Green Goblin, but Norman probably had something to do with it.

[Webhead2006]

we will have to see what they do with gobby in season 2.

[Sarcastic Fan]

The press release on the previous page certainly implies that things with Goblin were not what they seemed.

[Webhead2006]

yea i still think it was probably both of them but harry being brainwashed or something.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Does anybody know what episode the Green Goblin is supposed to return?

[Webhead2006]

not yet i believe.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Oh okay, I was just a little curious if anybody knew.

[Webhead2006]

not much season 2 stuff come out lately.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed.

[Mr. Joker]

He definitely needs to return early in season 2, I'm interested in where they're going with the character.

[Webhead2006]

maybe he will turn up somewhere between episode 4-7 range.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's what I'm thinking as well. However, something tells me he'll be in the last arc of season 2.

[Mr. Joker]

I'd like it better if he turned up around episodes 4-7, it'd give them more to do with him.

Man....we should be getting at least 15 eps a season instead of 13....

[Webhead2006]

i wish it was 20-26 episode season. i hate alot of cartoon shows nowadays only do 13 episode seasons were as regular tv shows get on average 18-26 episodes for a season.

[Mr. Joker]

Agreed. So much more could be done with 20 episodes or more a season. We'd have much more room for comic arcs & you wouldn't have to look & be like: "Wow....15 seasons & not even 100 episodes."

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I don't mind 13 episodes each season.

[Webhead2006]

yea with only 13 episodes for cartoon shows at most we get maybe 50-70 episodes for a series run unless they are like a simpsons, king of the hill, family guy which been on for years on years and have 100-400+ episodes. Were as a live action tv shows can at most have 4-9 seasons on average at atless get over 200 episodes be series end.

[Mr. Joker]

I could see this show having a lot of seasons, but yes, more than 13 episodes would certainly be nice.

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope they make it to the 65 ep mark greg hopes to get with 5 seasons and then some possible dtv films.

[AmazinUncleBen]

It would be a let down if it were Harry the entire time, it being Norman only makes him more badass.

[Mr. Joker]

It'd make me even more interested if it turned out to be Harry but Norman had set everything up so he'd take the Gobulin forumla. It'd make him even more of a sick bastard than he is already.

[Mistah K88]

Sorry to bump up a thred that is on page 2 but I want to put my 2 cents in as well...

It's Norman, plain and simple.

Octavius' "accedent" was SUPPOSED to kill him, Norman knew that Otto was a liability to his illegal experiments, so not being able to do it normally, he had to dress up in his garish costume to do so. I mean, if it WASN'T Norman, what would be the point in the Goblin attacking Octavius?

Do you REALLY think that a man who would rather die than apologize for stealing technology would take the fall?

Also, Spider-Man was stupid to tell Goblin that he knew Gobby's identity. Norman knew that because Spider-Man did know who he was that his home would be the webhead's first stop, and Harry happens to be passed out on the couch so...there we go... As for Harry's leg, he probably hit it on something when he passed out, so of course he wouldn't remember how it happened. Gobby faked his leg being hurt...

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Good point.

[Joker]

It's Norman.

Making Harry the first Green Goblin would be totally screwing up the Goblin saga. Like putting the cart before the horse. It just wouldn't work.

[Ratcrawler]

It was Emily.

[Spiderine]

What we do know is that Norman likes boiled eggs.

[Ratcrawler]

And peeling them is probably symbolic of something.

[Spiderine]

Norman is peeling an egg and they just introduced Miles Warren. Maybe old Norm is already thinking about cloning Peter into the son he always wanted. Or Greg just gotta thing for hard boiled eggs?

[Gallagher]

It was Emily.

Been saying this for months.

Emily dammit! :cmad:

[Webhead2006]

Nah it was really norman all along.

[whiplash]

"it's pre Columbia. Some people accually think the wearer takes on the personality of the mask"

just throwin it out there from "Probable Causes" as spoken by Norman Osborn to Hammerhead

[Venom'sDad]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now. Harry does not know he's the GG.

[Ratcrawler]

Kingsley.

[Mistah K88]

Once again I say it is ol Norman. Dressing up in some garish costume doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a businessman like Norman would do, but that was the entire POINT of the "we all wear masks Spider-Man, but shich one is real? The one that hides your face or the one that is your face." thing he said. Plus almost every apperace he had made this current season further incriminates him.

[Anwar]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now. Harry does not know he's the GG.

Agreed, he brainwashed Harry to see what kind of effects the Globulin would have in extended use and sent Harry out on the more dangerous assignments.

I don't see this Norman being the kind of guy who'd endanger himself in active field work.

[Rincewind]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now.
That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

[SpaceWay2009]

^In fact, that's what I have been reading lately. Many people think that Norman is just using Harry as a puppet.

[Rincewind]

Yeah, and that's so messed up, that it suits Norman perfectly. To use his own son as a gineua pig and a thug for his own ends.

[Venom'sDad]

That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

:up::up::up: :bow:

Exactly Rincewind, you seems to see what I see. The Gobluin has created a split-persona in Harry that Harry is unaware of. Norman discovered it at the moment you said with Spidey. Norman obvious new someone stole the suit, glider, and a number of vial of the Gobluin; yet, he obviously didn‘t expect it to be Harry. Remember, Norman thought he had a mole stealing from him.

I get the impression that Norman took Harry away in order to study & examine the effects of the gobluin, Harry’s spit-personality, and how he could make use of not necessarily Harry, but Harry’s new personality… since the formula seem to make him stronger, skillful, and quickly healable. Not really, in his mind, putting Harry in danger or great jeopardy.

That thing that Norman said in “Probable Cause” about “It's pre Columbia. Some people think the wearer takes on the personality of the mask“… is Norman revealing that he(is that person) believes Harry has taken on the personality of the mask. IMO, once Norman learn to control the effects of the Gobluin and Harry either screws up or gets hurt, Norman at that point will become the Green Goblin and takes things in his own hands.

[Duskbyday]

That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

I'm with you all the way. I think Norman thinks he can control the side effects but it goes out of hand. For all we know he can become HobGob. Greg isn't going to make this show too predictable.

[Rincewind]

Eh, I don't know about the Hobgoblin... If one of the Osborns becomes the Hobgoblin, why was Roderick Kingsley introduced? But we'll see, one can never be too sure about such stuff, it seems.

[SpideyTheBest]

This is what Goblin said to Molten Man in the newest episode:

Molten Man: Elimimate Spider-Man?
Goblin: The other crimelords made the mistake of trying to distract the webslinger. I prefer a more direct approach.

Hammerhead told Norman in the first Sandman episode in season 1 "Competition" that "the Big Man wanted the bug distracted". Harry couldn't have overheard that could he?

[Rincewind]

I... don't have an answer. It's very possible that I was wrong, now that you brought it up.

Perhaps Norman is the Season 2 Goblin. But I'm absolutely sure that in Season 1 it was Harry. Maybe after Spidey defeated him, Norman was so impressed that he decided that he had to try it on himself.

[SpideyTheBest]

Nah, the voice is still the same. Plus, both Gobby and Norman talks alot about people with masks. For example, Gobby's line in season 1:

Gobby: We all wear masks Spider-Man, but which one is real? The one that hide your face, or the one that is your face?

Norman: Some belive that the wearer actually takes on the personality of a mask.

Also, Harry couldn't have overheard when Norman talked to Hammerhead in "Probable Cause" when he gave Hammy the thoughts on becoming the new Big Man. Harry was on the police field trip. And why would Harry take the Globulin Green again? Because the football team hates him? No I don't buy that. Impress his father again? Well didin't he know how that went the last time? And Harry still seem pretty normal to me. Nope, Harry is not the Goblin. Or perhaps they are just playing tricks on us fans, again. Maybe it really was Emily all long? But as it seems now, Norman is the Goblin. No doubt about it. And if I'm wrong I don't care.

[Rincewind]

In the newest episode, "Subtext", Harry had a line about addiction that could have casted doubts about it. Anyway, about your question how Norman talked to Hammerhead about the Big Man and how the Goblin orchestrated the events in "Gangland", I have an explanation - Harry (if he is the Goblin) is under the control of Norman in some way. He just has him doing the dirty and dangerous work without wearing the mask himself.

[SpideyTheBest]

I get what you're saying, or I think I am, I'm just a little confused here. So Norman controls Harry's mind or something? The Goblin is just the result of Norman messing with Harry's brain? Is that right?

[Rincewind]

The exact manner of control is a guesswork at this point. My theory is that in Season 1 the Goblin was the result of the oppressed mind of Harry combined with the overheard mob dealings of Norman. After Spidey defeated Harry, Norman became so fascinated with the ability of the Globluin to turn his gutless son into a fearless psycho, that he decided to (here come the variables): 1) try it on himself and become the second incarnation of the Goblin or 2) use Harry as a stooge for schemes that he himself designed.

[Anwar]

2) Seems more likely. Norman isn't the type of guy who'd risk himself going out into the field like that. It would be like Tombstone turning himself into the Rhino or something.

[MasterGandalf]

Put me down for the 'Harry's in the suit, but Norman's the brains' camp. I've made a post over in the spoilers and speculation thread about why I think this, and what I think Norman's up to, but its a bit too long to be posted here too. In a nutshell, Norman's not the sort to risk himself that way (either physically or mentally), but the Goblin seems too smart to be Harry by himself. I think that Norman is using a combination of the Green and hypnotherapy (a la Ultimate) to make sure Harry does what he wants, but Harry himself (or at least his Goblin personality) is unaware that the schemes aren't coming from him.

[venomfangs125]

In Subtext and Gangland Goblin was taller. In Catalyst and Uncertainy Principle he was as tall Spider-Man (sorta short) But now he's as tall as Tombstone! Now its Norman, unless Harry wears stilts in those boots... unlikely

[Joker]

Bravo to the 83 people who saw the obvious coming :oldrazz: :cwink:

And I've been reading thru the old posts. A big well done to the few who guessed the Chameleon's involvement.

[Doctor Jones]

Well, I knew the Chameleon wasn't involved with the framing of Harry, that's where i thought people overthought it.

It took me some thinking of whta was happening in this episode. Then it hit me, and I was right.

[SpaceWay2009]

Same here. I just knew that the Green Goblin had to be Norman.

[Ratcrawler]

I guess we could close this thread now? :/

A shame. I enjoyed sPeculating in was Aunt May.

[Spiderine]

How do you explain Harry limping then? I doubt Norman would go as far as hurting his own son on purpose.
LOL. Ya think

[Anwar]

Well, I did believe that Norman was actually using Harry as his Proxy half of the time for his Goblin escapades and secretly was the one manipulating Harry from the get-go by setting the Globulin up for him to find because I honestly figured him as such a bastard he'd turn his own son into a weapon like that.

But I also figured what SarcasticFan and others were saying was also very probable and that Norman just broke Harry's leg and dressed him up while he blacked out. So I was prepared for either one. Still think my first thoughts would've made Norman even worse but I guess Harry wouldn't feel that his dad was just another victim if Norman did that to him.

Meh, it's still great either way at showing Norman as the Devil of the Spideyverse.

[xMaNiAx]

it's NORMAN MOAH****IN' OSBORN!!!!

lol

[VenomsMom]

What I mean is, Chameleon disguised himself as Norman to steal from OsCorp. Not under Norman's employ. When Norman/Goblin saw Norman/Chameleon, at first he was surprised but then laughed it off (not to blow his cover).

It has nothing to do with fooling Spider-Man, it just worked out in his favor.

Chameleon just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I thought something was funny about the Goblin's grin when he looked at "Norman." Dang, I love this show.

No, I realize Norman has no idea who Spiderman is. That was not what I was implying. What I was insenuating is that Norman, Covering his own a$$, can't let Spiderman discover he is indeed the Goblin as it would be disasterous for him. Since he realizes Spidey knows the truth what he does is make his son the "perputrator" knowing Spiderman is going straight to his residence to confront him. Norman being the quick-thinking smooth talker he is simply insures Spiderman when he shows up that Harry was just a troubled teenager who got addicted to the serum and he informs Spiderman of the consequences if BigMan found out its "Harry". Norman feels that promising Spiderman, playing the sympathy angle, that he will get Harry the help he needs because HE LOVES HIS SON:whatever:. How Sweet.

Anyway I could be wrong, just my theory on things.

You're right. It certainly seems like they're trying to make people believe that it's Harry.

The best twists, are the unexpected.
All you dudes were right on.

[Webhead2006]

Man i was so dam happy it was revealed that SOB norman was the goblin all along. So happy Greg kept that true.

[Nathan]

LOL. Ya think

Yeah, guess I was wrong. They really made him a bastard in this series. The hurting his own son was something I would've never expected.

[whiplash]

Remember old Stormin Norman has half a million dollars in an unmarked account and he took a nice little trip to the Caymen Islands

[Mistah K88]

It's kinda fun looking through all these posts about the identity...I was wrong about Harry falling and hitting his leg on something...and being passed out on the couch (he was on the floor)...

[Spiderine]

It was quite a hot topic for a while. But I am glad it turned out right because I couldn't deal Big Man Harry Osborn.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Thank goodness Harry doesn't have you guys as a jury, a guilty man would've gotten off scott-free.

Thank goodness Harry didn't have you on a jury. You'd have sent an innocent kid to the slammer and allowed a dangerous, evil psychopath to walk free. :woot: