Avengers/Invaders

[JediMasterConor]

Anyone reading this? 1st issue was a good read. I'm really interested to see the impact of Steve Roger's Captain America from WWII appearing in present day will have on all the heroes who saw him die.

[CaptainCanada]

I thought it was a solid first issue.

Krueger is really good at summing up what a character's about in a couple of lines that also have an inventive turn of phrase (like the "bullets" angle for Spitfire).

[Harlekin]

Yep, enjoyed the first issue. Surprised there hasn't been more talk about it.

[CaptainStacy]

Loved seeing Spider-Man run the T-Bolts ragged. :word: :up:

[SpideyForPrez]

Hmmmm? Why isn't anyone talking about this book? Issue #2 came out today, I like where things are going but I'm confused about something. This story isn't canon right? I mean this takes place in some alternate universe similar to present 616 but without all the skrull paranoia? Cause I mean there is just too much going on with all the BND and SI stuff for this story to really fit anywhere. And wouldn't everyone be like, "These Invaders are Skrulls! It's all a trick!" or something?

[DoomJester]

It is canon. The writers just are ignoring S:I, similar to how Captain America gets to kinda do its own thing...

[kguillou]

Yea its in continuity bro, and guess what? "There will be major ramifications for the marvel universe after this is done!". Jesus, I am so sick of hearing that line.

[Hans]

I've been enjoying it. Krueger's characterizations so far have been pretty good. I really liked seeing Bucky taking center stage in the last issue and getting a taste of BuckyCap's reaction was very nice.

[Phaedrus45]

Yeah, I read issue #2 yesterday, and it's a very decent maxiseries. I only have two problems. One, as mentioned, in the back of my mind I wonder how significant this story will be after we finally get to issue #12 next year. We see Tony Stark, but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking how different this will all be if Tony Stark is going to be revealed to be a Skrull, as the newest issue of Secret Invasion was possibly teasing us with. The second problem is that the whole idea of a group from yesterday coming into today's 616 is currently being done in a much better way with The Twelve. (It still doesn't discount that we're being given a pretty decent story here...it just lends itself unfavorably to a comparision.)

[TheCorpulent1]

That's why I skipped it. The whole thing seemed like an exercise in futility because the Invaders have to wind up back in the past relatively intact or history unravels. Plus, at the beginning of the last issue, I noticed that the Avengers and the Invaders have their obligatory fight, even though both teams are aware of time travel and Iron Man even mentions the potential paradoxes fighting could bring. That killed whatever small bit of interest I might've had in the story right there.

[Phaedrus45]

That's why I skipped it. The whole thing seemed like an exercise in futility because the Invaders have to wind up back in the past relatively intact or history unravels. Plus, at the beginning of the last issue, I noticed that the Avengers and the Invaders have their obligatory fight, even though both teams are aware of time travel and Iron Man even mentions the potential paradoxes fighting could bring. That killed whatever small bit of interest I might've had in the story right there.

I did have a slight problem with that, too. Iron Man says he's not there to fight, yet gets right into it...and, Captain America really is not how I'd picture him, thinking everyone is a Nazi and won't listen to reason. (If this is how Captain America would react, shouldn't he have reacted the same way when he was unfrozen from the ice waaaay back in Avengers #4?)

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd think so, but I guess I can understand that reaction in the context. He and the Invaders were plucked off the battlefield into the present, and by that time they'd probably already dealt with any number of Nazi superhumans. Cap wouldn't have any reason to believe the Mighty Avengers are anything other than more Nazi superhumans. I'd like to think he would be a little more patient and hear them out, but I've never been to war so I can only speculate on how it affects one's mindset and ability to trust strangers.

[Hans]

Well, actually Cap did settle down and was ready to listen to Tony, until Jan buzzed in and zapped him, taking him down.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh. Well, then, that's kind of retarded. :dry:

[Hans]

That he cooled off and was willing to listen? Or that Jan sucker punched him?

[TheCorpulent1]

The latter. I'd expect any of the present-day team members to know enough to respect the fragile nature of time travel and lay off if the Invaders cooled down. Except Ares, of course.

[Hans]

Well, Tony's agenda here is to scoop them all up as fast as possible and put them back in 1944 (or whatever year they came from). I assumed he'd just have Dr. Strange come in and, with the Invaders' permission, mindwipe them into not remembering their 2008 adventure. His plan fell apart, though, when Namor took off, presumeably to contact Atlantis (he's in for a surprise).

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. Figures Tony would screw everything up by being his typical, controlling, dickwad self rather than just explaining the situation to the Invaders calmly and unthreateningly.

[Hans]

Well, like I said, that's what he was trying to do. They came, the Invaders mistook them for Nazis (no thanks to their exposure to the Swordsman and his accent), and when Cap finally calmed down, everything would've been fine. Until Jan zapped him.

[The Geek Vault]

I'm probably gonna get this on TPB when it comes out .

[storyteller]

Also what the invaders think is that they could be under hypnosis. Though i do concur that its odd that they think everyone are nazis even though theres probably american stuff all over the place.

[Blader5489]

I think I'm going to drop this. Neither issue was particularly bad, it's just not all that interesting and, as Corp said, the whole story seems like an exercise in futility because the Invaders have to return to their own time at the end. And the whole "Bucky looks like a kid, but he's really a badass" angle was already done (much better) by Brubaker.

On the plus side, I like all of the BND references, if only because it disproves that ridiculous theory of ASM now occurring in an alternate universe.

[Docker2.0]

Is there ANY comic that you are happy with? :whatever:

[Blader5489]

All-time or currently?

[Docker2.0]

currently.

[Blader5489]

Thunderbolts
Avengers: The Initiative
Captain America
Iron Man: Director of SHIELD
Incredible Hercules
Thor
Punisher MAX

Those are the ones I enjoy all the time. There are others I like, but they're more hit-or-miss.

There are also a lot DC books I like, though admittedly, they're mostly older Vertigo titles. Most of the current DCU is pretty bad.

[Blader5489]

What, no witty retort? :oldrazz:

[Docker2.0]

Nah I was just curious. You have a right to your opinion but it just seems like you complain a lot about everything in comics.

[TheCorpulent1]

Everyone on here complains a lot, I think. Dissatisfaction fuels conversation a lot more readily than satisfaction.

[Vanguard07]

People do tend to express it quite readilly when they love a title though.
I mean you cant go ten minutes looking through the hype these days without hearing that either Cap, Herc, Thor, or Iron Fist's respective titles are awesome.

[CaptainStacy]

I did have a slight problem with that, too. Iron Man says he's not there to fight, yet gets right into it...and, Captain America really is not how I'd picture him, thinking everyone is a Nazi and won't listen to reason. (If this is how Captain America would react, shouldn't he have reacted the same way when he was unfrozen from the ice waaaay back in Avengers #4?)

He did. :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

He just yelled about Bucky and then calmed down, really.