On this thread movement.

[Saint]

What, precisely, was the point? Was the idea to move threads that are not explicitly geared towards spoilers? If so, it was a mistake, because there is absolutely no chance of enforcing such a policy consistently: the spoiler section will always contain threads that do not contain spoilers. The logical policy is that spoilers may be posted in that section, not that each topic should be about spoilers, because the former is simply less complicated and easier to enforce.

Moreover, how exactly is this thread movement reconciled with the fact that some of these threads (such as the Trailer 3 thread) are absolutely saturated with spoilers?

I just can't figure out the reasoning behind this.

[BatSpider]

Im right there with you man

[redfirebird2008]

I'm not a fan of it either. I had to check my own post history just to find some of my favorite threads.

[The Battousai]

CC needs to post his approval stamp :hehe:

[BatSpider]

Are we allowed to MASS PM a mod?

[Shoemeister]

Agreed. Mods, please kindly take note. We have spoken.

[JaD]

2 pages in Spoilers is pathetic

[Batman137]

Yeah, Agreed. They were fine where they were

[BatSpider]

2 pages in Spoilers is pathetic
It is

[DaddyGrayson]

Co-signed.

[JaD]

Spoiler section has never been cluttered with too many threads whatsoever, I can almost say the same with Non-Spoilers. J, you've always done an amazing job with that, and I've even PM'ed you about it, but to me this huge and unnecessary overhaul seems to have your name on it, no offense, and doesn't seem necessary. And it's more than the lounge really, it's a handful of them. Please take consideration in giving thought to what the fans and the regular users are wishing for.

[BatSpider]

Oops, forgot

*Signs

[Shoemeister]

And now THIS thread has suffered the same fate by being moved into Non-Spoilers.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

[DaddyGrayson]

And now THIS thread has suffered the same fate by being moved into Non-Spoilers.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

Seriously...

[BatSpider]

And now THIS thread has suffered the same fate by being moved into Non-Spoilers.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:
Ugh :dry: :whatever:

[Killing Joke926]

Okay, I'm back; noticed this last night. Why did the Lounge and merchandise thread get bumped? Hell, mostly all the spoilers and everything happens in the good ol' Lounge, whether in or out of the Spoiler forum. :huh: :brucebat:

[DaddyGrayson]

It's nice to have Saint on board, though. :up:

[BatSpider]

Okay, I'm back; noticed this last night. Why did the Lounge and merchandise thread get bumped? Hell, mostly all the spoilers and everything happens in the good ol' Lounge, whether in or out of the Spoiler forum. :huh: :brucebat:
Hey KJ, copy my sig message

[BatSpider]

It's nice to have Saint on board, though. :up:
True Hero

[Killing Joke926]

Hell, even the Gunga Diner Lounge I made in the WatchMen forum is still in the Spoiler section. :huh: :word:

[Clark Kent]

Co-signed.

Oops, forgot

*Signs

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/ClarkKent_album/untitled3.jpg

Was that over the top? I can never tell.

[Killing Joke926]

Hey KJ, copy my sig message

Well obviously I agree; give me jus a minute buddy. :brucebat:

http://www.bobgentry.com/blog/John_Lennon.jpg

FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!

[Killing Joke926]

Okay, I got it down; so why was the Lounge bumped here again? :huh:

[BatSpider]

Okay, I got it down; so why was the Lounge bumped here again? :huh:
Other place was "jammed" :whatever:

[Killing Joke926]

Other place was "jammed" :whatever:

.............that's retarded; I guess we'll just have to jam the hell outta this place. :oldrazz: :word: :woot:

[Hunter Rider]

It's a simple clean up procedure, it's no big deal that you have to scroll down. The move was to make room for more spoiler specific topics in spoilers and put the topics that have no spoilers in them in here to spread the activity and make access to threads easier. As it was topics were hitting page 2 in a matter of hours in the spoiler section. I can't believe the ridiculous drama you guys are having over posting in a separate section.

[D4rkShaDoWz]

If anything, why didn't they move the Fan Art thread? I mean, all the spoilers go there right...:whatever:

[Saint]

And now THIS thread has suffered the same fate by being moved into Non-Spoilers.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

Actually, I posted it in non-spoilers. It was a mistake; it would have been more noticable in the spoilers section.

[Hunter Rider]

If anything, why didn't they move the Fan Art thread? I mean, all the spoilers go there right...:whatever:


Maybe if your eyes weren't rolling you'd see Fanart is stickied at the top of this section.

[Killing Joke926]

It's a simple clean up procedure, it's no big deal that you have to scroll down. The move was to make room for more spoiler specific topics in spoilers and put the topics that have no spoilers in them in here to spread the activity and make access to threads easier. As it was topics were hitting page 2 in a matter of hours in the spoiler section. I can't believe the ridiculous drama you guys are having over posting in a separate section.

Well that's understandable due to those reasons; but to be fair, the Lounge has always taken place in the spoiler forum. Infact, it's a deal to where that at times all the spoilers/info./ect. all starts up in there; now I'm not gonna make this all dramatic and such, but why move a thread that's gonna start spoilers and everything in a non-spoiler section? :huh: No offense intended, but do you understand what I'm saying friend? :yay:

[D4rkShaDoWz]

Maybe if your eyes weren't rolling you'd see Fanart is stickied at the top of this section.

The one sticked at top hasn't been updated since September of 2007 so a lot of posting has too be done..

[Hunter Rider]

Well that's understandable due to those reasons; but to be fair, the Lounge has always taken place in the spoiler forum. Infact, it's a deal to where that at times all the spoilers/info./ect. all starts up in there; now I'm not gonna make this all dramatic and such, but why move a thread that's gonna start spoilers and everything in a non-spoiler section? :huh: No offense intended, but do you understand what I'm saying friend? :yay:

The lounge was never meant for that, it was supposed to be a place for the batfans that were scared to go to community, to chat about off topic stuff, hence why it has been moved here.

The one sticked at top hasn't been updated since September of 2007 so a lot of posting has too be done..

If there is a separate fanart thread J will move it, it's a work in progress.

[Saint]

It's a simple clean up procedure, it's no big deal that you have to scroll down. The move was to make room for more spoiler specific topics in spoilers and put the topics that have no spoilers in them in here to spread the activity and make access to threads easier. As it was topics were hitting page 2 in a matter of hours in the spoiler section.

As I said, the spoilers section will always contain non-spoiler discussion, and it will be impossible to enforce the philosophy consistently. It makes more sense to have the spoiler section used for free discussion (spoilers and non-spoilers both), while the non-spoiler section for restricted discussion (which is to say no spoilers). It's less complicated, enforceable, and simply more conducive to free discussion.

If clutter was the issue, a better solution would have been the merging and deletion of redundant or useless threads, rather than moving well-trafficked and popular threads over here, especially when those thread contain spoilers.

[redfirebird2008]

Hunter, y'all could have posted a sticky note at the top of the spoilers forum telling us where the threads went. I don't ever go in the non-spoilers section so I had to go check my post history to find the threads I was looking for.

[The Battousai]

Hunter, y'all could have posted a sticky note at the top of the spoilers forum telling us where the threads went. I don't ever go in the non-spoilers section so I had to go check my post history to find the threads I was looking for.

You didn't just look for your subscribed threads in the Control Panel?

[DaddyGrayson]

As I said, the spoilers section will always contain non-spoiler discussion, and it will be impossible to enforce the philosophy consistently. It makes more sense to have the spoiler section used for free discussion (spoilers and non-spoilers both), while the non-spoiler section for restricted discussion (which is to say no spoilers). It's less complicated, enforceable, and simply more conducive to free discussion.

If clutter was the issue, a better solution would have been the merging and deletion of redundant or useless threads, rather than moving well-trafficked and popular threads over here, especially when those thread contain spoilers.

Agreed.

[Saint]

The lounge was never meant for that
Nevertheless, the spoilers are there. Let's hope nobody in this section decides to read through it, expecting to be safe from spoilers in the Non-spoilers section.

[Hunter Rider]

As I said, the spoilers section will always contain non-spoiler discussion, and it will be impossible to enforce the philosophy consistently. It makes more sense to have the spoiler section used for free discussion (spoilers and non-spoilers both), while the non-spoiler section for restricted discussion (which is to say no spoilers). It's less complicated, enforceable, and simply more conducive to free discussion.

If clutter was the issue, a better solution would have been the merging and deletion of redundant or useless threads, rather than moving well-trafficked and popular threads over here, especially when those thread contain spoilers.

Nothing works perfectly but we will try.

In you're opinion maybe, not in ours, merging is messy, as i said, it really is not an issue for you or anyone else to use this section and it's staying as it is.

[redfirebird2008]

You didn't just look for your subscribed threads in the Control Panel?

I don't use the subscribed threads feature.

[The Battousai]

I don't use the subscribed threads feature.

So...

the threads you post in aren't subscribed to automatically?

[Hunter Rider]

Hunter, y'all could have posted a sticky note at the top of the spoilers forum telling us where the threads went. I don't ever go in the non-spoilers section so I had to go check my post history to find the threads I was looking for.

I'll make an announcement about the move, most should have had re directs on them for 24 hours though so they'd still appear in the spoiler section.

Nevertheless, the spoilers are there. Let's hope nobody in this section decides to read through it, expecting to be safe from spoilers in the Non-spoilers section.

That's changing.

[DaddyGrayson]

I'll make an announcement about the move, most should have had re directs on them for 24 hours though so they'd still appear in the spoiler section.



That's changing.

Are you really going to go through the entire thread and delete the spoilers? They've been there since the beginning of the lounge.

[Hunter Rider]

Are you really going to go through the entire thread and delete the spoilers? They've been there since the beginning of the lounge.

Could just delete the lounge and start a new one, we'll see which is easiest.

[Killing Joke926]

The lounge was never meant for that, it was supposed to be a place for the batfans that were scared to go to community, to chat about off topic stuff, hence why it has been moved here.



If there is a separate fanart thread J will move it, it's a work in progress.

I can understand that, but I don't think it was a matter of getting scared; there thousands, hell maybe millions of members here who talk about off topic things. And since we're in such high numbers, I'd probably guess that it would be easier to have multiple off topic sections, correct? My main point is that the problem was the spoiler section was gettin' crowded and needed to be put somewhere else that happended to be less packed; thing is the problem wasn't prevented, it just got moved over here. So wouldn't that just make the non-spoiler section just as crowded? I know it's only one thread, but if you know the Lounge just as well as I do, you'd understand how packed it can get. :cwink: Now if I'm comprehending the matter the wrong way, would you please indulge me a little further? I'm not flustered or confused, I just want to understand and see it both ways; if that's okay with you my good sir........or mam. :yay:

[redfirebird2008]

So...

the threads you post in aren't subscribed to automatically?

Oh, they are! Cool, I'll have to use that in the future.

[Saint]

Nothing works perfectly but we will try.
I don't understand the decision to attempt the least enforceable policy.

In you're opinion maybe,
Naturally.

merging is messy
More or less messy than moving spoilers into the non-spoiler section? Also, I would think a little mess is preferable to the problems of this policy, as I've explained them.

it really is not an issue for you or anyone else to use this section and it's staying as it is.
This doesn't follow: you explained that one of the reasons for the move was because threads were being pushed to the second page of the Spoilers section in a matter of hours. So, it is an issue for users to be forced to use the second page, but not an issue for them to use a second section?

As I said, the issue isn't that we have to come to another section, but that the policy is simply unrealistic and not conducive to free discussion.

[Shoemeister]

Agreed.

Definitely. Nicely put, Saint.

[Hunter Rider]

I can understand that, but I don't think it was a matter of getting scared; there thousands, hell maybe millions of members here who talk about off topic things. And since we're in such high numbers, I'd probably guess that it would be easier to have multiple off topic sections, correct? My main point is that the problem was the spoiler section was gettin' crowded and needed to be put somewhere else that happended to be less packed; thing is the problem wasn't prevented, it just got moved over here. So wouldn't that just make the non-spoiler section just as crowded? I know it's only one thread, but if you know the Lounge just as well as I do, you'd understand how packed it can get. :cwink: Now if I'm comprehending the matter the wrong way, would you please indulge me a little further? I'm not flustered or confused, I just want to understand and see it both ways; if that's okay with you my good sir........or mam. :yay:

It's Sir but Hunter will do. :cwink: In the past community has served for ppl that want to talk about off topic stuff, a year or two back an X3 off topic thread was allowed and since then each major section was allowed a lounge, the purpose of which was to chat about off topic things not related to the movie in question by fans that didn't wish to venture into community.

The idea wasn't to prevent the amount of threads that are being made, the idea was to spread them out and ease the clutter in spoilers, the lounge was one that got moved b/c it is not meant to contain spoilers.

[Hunter Rider]

This doesn't follow: you explained that one of the reasons for the move was because threads were being pushed to the second page of the Spoilers section in a matter of hours. So, it is an issue for users to be forced to use the second page, but not an issue for them to use a second section?

As I said, the issue isn't that we have to come to another section, but that the policy is simply unrealistic and not conducive to free discussion.

It does follow, the topics stay on page one of two separate sections, thus they get more activity and less are lost in the shuffle now that you all know where to go. I am saying you're all complaining about nothing and it's staying as it is.

[The Battousai]

Oh, they are! Cool, I'll have to use that in the future.

Hehe - it's a useful feature

[Shoemeister]

Just so it is seen, I posted this in the Lounge in response to Mister J:

Very well, J. I respect you and I think you do a fine job moderating. I just warn you now: at some point, spoilers will probably find their way in here. I'm not saying it's going be me... but it will probably happen in some way from someone. I've read all the posts by you, Hunter and the gang... and I understand your stance. Still, I don't see why we couldn't just allow it in the Spoilers where it's always been. Little tidbits always make their way in here, simply because of the anything-goes spirit. Most of them are unintentional, but they happen.

I think I speak for most when I say we would like the Lounge in the Spoilers forum. I don't expect you to adhere to this. Just saying. Thank you for not taking action against any of us. Keep the request in mind, is all.

[Killing Joke926]

It's Sir but Hunter will do. :cwink: In the past community has served for ppl that want to talk about off topic stuff, a year or two back an X3 off topic thread was allowed and since then each major section was allowed a lounge, the purpose of which was to chat about off topic things not related to the movie in question by fans that didn't wish to venture into community.

The idea wasn't to prevent the amount of threads that are being made, the idea was to spread them out and ease the clutter in spoilers, the lounge was one that got moved b/c it is not meant to contain spoilers.

Well Hunter :cwink:, I know that it's usually ment to be off topic and such, but ya know, there's always gonna be the people who are gonna spread spoilers down to pretty much every single thread in the entire SHH forum. My main point is that, sure members are gonna talk about off topic stuff and you need to spread up the clusters of spoilers in all. But what I'm trying to say that it's the Super Hero Hype, what else are we gonna be talkin' about? :huh: :yay: :hyper:

[Saint]

It does follow, the topics stay on page one of two separate sections, thus they get more activity and less are lost in the shuffle now that you all know where to go.
Moving them to a section nobody visit does not seem to make them more accessible than having them on the second page of the section everybody visits. I understand that you think this will increase activity here, but the more likely scenario is that these threads will simply die, and the corresponding discussions will find their way into threads in the spoiler section. This is one of the "enforceability" problems I keep mentioning.

[Hunter Rider]

Moving them to a section nobody visit does not seem to make them more accessible than having them on the second page of the section everybody visits. I understand that you think this will increase activity here, but the more likely scenario is that these threads will simply die, and the corresponding discussions will find their way into threads in the spoiler section. This is one of the "enforceability" problems I keep mentioning.

We'll see.

[Hunter Rider]

Well Hunter :cwink:, I know that it's usually ment to be off topic and such, but ya know, there's always gonna be the people who are gonna spread spoilers down to pretty much every single thread in the entire SHH forum. My main point is that, sure members are gonna talk about off topic stuff and you need to spread up the clusters of spoilers in all. But what I'm trying to say that it's the Super Hero Hype, what else are we gonna be talkin' about? :huh: :yay: :hyper:

All the chicks that you guys are scoring ? :D Comic books are hot right now. :cwink: and J addressed the issue of spoilers in the lounge from this point.

[Shoemeister]

Moving them to a section nobody visit does not seem to make them more accessible than having them on the second page of the section everybody visits. I understand that you think this will increase activity here, but the more likely scenario is that these threads will simply die, and the corresponding discussions will find their way into threads in the spoiler section. This is one of the "enforceability" problems I keep mentioning.

It's true. No matter what you put in here, people are gonna go where the action is. They want what everyone else outside of the Hype doesn't have: the dirt. I've always seen Non-Spoilers as the minority - and that's fine. Not EVERYONE wants to be spoiled. But the Spoilers is where everyone goes.

And when a new trailer debuts or pictures leak or whatever - those threads get EXTREMELY cluttered. The pages move too fast. You're on a new one every minute. So where do we pick up the slack at? Where do we bring the conversation where the n00bs and lurkers won't go? THE LOUNGE. Spoilers. Are. Inevitable. I can't stress this enough. Same goes for threads like manips. Trailer #3 was moved back already: good move.

[slicendice]

I'd like to make one request, that in the future we are given a bit of warning about such a dramatic move, maybe just like a sticky or something, explaining the reasoning for it a day or two before hand.

[Killing Joke926]

All the chicks that you guys are scoring ? :D Comic books are hot right now. :cwink: and J addressed the issue of spoilers in the lounge from this point.

And that's about it; we'll there's sex and other garbage too, but that all falls in line with those two somewhere. LOL But yeah, you understand what I'm sayin', right? :yay:

[Saint]

I can't believe the ridiculous drama you guys are having over posting in a separate section.

it's staying as it is.

I am saying you're all complaining about nothing

it's staying as it is.

It's unfortunate that you are not open to discussion on this.

[BatSpider]

We'll see.
we most certainly will

[Shoemeister]

It's unfortunate that you are not open to discussion on this.

A return to normalcy would be even better. We could avoid all of this drama. It's a very simple request, really.

[BatSpider]

A return to normalcy would be even better. We could avoid all of this drama. It's a very simple request, really.
all were asking

[Hunter Rider]

It's unfortunate that you are not open to discussion on this.

It's not an issue that's why, use the 2 sections, spread the threads, it's being blown out of all proportion and it isn't the only thing we have to deal with on an entire board. I discuss things with posters all the time but ive explained the position we have on this and there really is nothing more to say.

[Mister J]

I didn't fathom the move creating as much confusion in locating threads as it has seemed to. A copy of the Batcave thread, linking to a number of the more popular threads, was placed here last night, but we'll look into getting a more formal/obvious notice up.
2 pages in Spoilers is pathetic

It is
Can someone clue me in on this? I've seen it referenced a handful of times and took it to be hyperbole. Not even 4 full pages of threads were moved last night and some of them are being moved back as I'm reviewing. Exactly how many pages are some of you seeing in the spoiler section?

[BatSpider]

I didn't fathom the move creating as much confusion in locating threads as it has seemed to. A copy of the Batcave thread, linking to a number of the more popular threads, was placed here last night, but we'll look into getting a more formal/obvious notice up.



Can someone clue me in on this? I've seen it referenced a handful of times and took it to be hyperbole. Not even 4 full pages of threads were moved last night and some of them are being moved back as I'm reviewing. Exactly how many pages are some of you seeing in the spoiler section?
Were only getting 2 pages buddy

[The Battousai]

Were only getting 2 pages buddy

Same here

[slicendice]

Same here

indeed, only two pages

[Saint]

It's not an issue
It seems to be an issue to everyone here. I can't speak for their reasons, but I've explained my own issues clearly, despite your insistence that these issues are "not an issue."
I discuss things with posters all the time but ive explained the position we have on this and there really is nothing more to say.
Yes:
It's unfortunate that you are not open to discussion on this.

[Hunter Rider]

It seems to be an issue to everyone here. I can't speak for their reasons, but I've explained my own issues clearly, despite your insistence that these issues are "not an issue."

Yes:

What do you want me to do, go over and over it like one of those long tiresome debates you have in the Suit thread until we do it your way ? you can say i don't want to discuss it but I gave you answers and you just don't like them.

[Hunter Rider]

indeed, only two pages

Ive altered the settings, there should be a lot more pages now.

[Mister J]

Were only getting 2 pages buddy

Same here

indeed, only two pages
Some people are getting the full number of viewable threads in both sections. I'm guessing your viewing options are setup differently. If you could, from your User Control Panel, selecting --> Edit Options --> Thread Display Options --> Default Thread Age Cut Off, should allow you to see more threads. Mine is set to 'show all threads'; about 50 pages and 20 pages in the respective forums. Does that tend to the matter?

[slicendice]

perhaps this thread should be closed, the mods have had their say and I doubt anyone is going to change their minds. The moving of the threads isn't that big of a deal, we'll just have to get used to not using spoilers, not really a big issue for me.

[Hunter Rider]

perhaps this thread should be closed, the mods have had their say and I doubt anyone is going to change their minds. The moving of the threads isn't that big of a deal, we'll just have to get used to not using spoilers, not really a big issue for me.

Good point, the thread has run it's course and ive reset the spoilers section to include more pages so lets move on