Snake-Eyes costume ruined?

[Moviefan289]

So I wasn't sure if this was just for stunts, but apparently it's the real deal.

Current pictures of Snake-Eyes doing stunts (one where hes on top of a car, etc.) his helmet has facial features (i.e. a mouth, eyes, etc.)

No Snake-Eyes character I know has had a face on his mask. Thats Destro.

Just to be sure I went back to his release pick, and yup, the mouth is there. You have to look at the outline of his mask because the picture is mostly in shadow. You can see the outlines of his lips.

The costume aspect for the movie is now completely ruined for me....anyone else?

[The Avatar]

This is completely new.

[Kable24]

must see these alleged pics.

[cosmicherosa]

The mouth wrecks the costume totally. It looks so horrible. Tons of pics already out there.

[batboy99]

So I wasn't sure if this was just for stunts, but apparently it's the real deal.

Current pictures of Snake-Eyes doing stunts (one where hes on top of a car, etc.) his helmet has facial features (i.e. a mouth, eyes, etc.)

No Snake-Eyes character I know has had a face on his mask. Thats Destro.

Just to be sure I went back to his release pick, and yup, the mouth is there. You have to look at the outline of his mask because the picture is mostly in shadow. You can see the outlines of his lips.

The costume aspect for the movie is now completely ruined for me....anyone else?ya, they're also cartoons, drawings and figurines. This is a movie, with real people, they need to see where they're going and they have to breathe too

[Moviefan289]

Eyes are fine. All the figures, cartoons and comics had eyes for the character. My issue is with the mouth. Not a single Snake-Eyes incarnation had a mouth.

And no, it's not the actors mouth so he can breathe, its the masks' mouth. Its a physical mouth made into the mask for no reason. The mouth can't move, it's just there.

The only time Snake-Eyes had a mouth was when it was pressed into his mask, and even then you couldn't see it at all.

[Iron_Stark]

Apart from the mask, I don't like his pants. He's got rubbermask, rubber torso and arms and then, those black cargo pants. wtf, it just looks weird.

[chrisguyver]

So I wasn't sure if this was just for stunts, but apparently it's the real deal.

Current pictures of Snake-Eyes doing stunts (one where hes on top of a car, etc.) his helmet has facial features (i.e. a mouth, eyes, etc.)

No Snake-Eyes character I know has had a face on his mask. Thats Destro.

Just to be sure I went back to his release pick, and yup, the mouth is there. You have to look at the outline of his mask because the picture is mostly in shadow. You can see the outlines of his lips.

The costume aspect for the movie is now completely ruined for me....anyone else?


your a baby:whatever:

[echostation]

grammatical sense there... good one!!! get him!

[Rick Roll'd]

Snake-eyes is ruined

[Ravsuh]

Looks fine to me looks just like this

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/GI_Joe_Snake_Eyes/snake_eyes_gi_joe.jpg

[Hotwire]

Eyes are fine. All the figures, cartoons and comics had eyes for the character. My issue is with the mouth. Not a single Snake-Eyes incarnation had a mouth.

And no, it's not the actors mouth so he can breathe, its the masks' mouth. Its a physical mouth made into the mask for no reason. The mouth can't move, it's just there.

The only time Snake-Eyes had a mouth was when it was pressed into his mask, and even then you couldn't see it at all.
You stand corrected. Sorry.
http://www.yojoe.com/action/85/85images/snakeeyes2.shtml

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, that's different. His mask is covering his mouth which makes an indentation.

This is different than the actual costume which has a stupid actual open mouth part molded in, and it does look terrible.

[cosmicherosa]

I think of Catfish when I look at that stupid goddamn Snake Eyes mask. Garbage.

[cronosred]

So I wasn't sure if this was just for stunts, but apparently it's the real deal.

Current pictures of Snake-Eyes doing stunts (one where hes on top of a car, etc.) his helmet has facial features (i.e. a mouth, eyes, etc.)

No Snake-Eyes character I know has had a face on his mask. Thats Destro.

Just to be sure I went back to his release pick, and yup, the mouth is there. You have to look at the outline of his mask because the picture is mostly in shadow. You can see the outlines of his lips.

The costume aspect for the movie is now completely ruined for me....anyone else?


It's weird the parallels between the Transformers movie and the GI Joe movie. People complained about the designs, giving Optimus a mouth, the story, and the things changed from the cartoon, the director not listening to the fans. And if it is a hit like Transformers be prepared for the new fanbase that will come on here and tell you guys to move on and stop whining.

[November Rain]

so you mean there is a moulded mouth like a power ranger mouth

have you ever seen a real masked person, they don't always look to stracth so they mould a face mask for them to have on...

even spidey's mask in the film's in reality was actually more like a helmet to keep that comic 'head shape' everyone expects.

maybe they tried it without a mouth and it came across as inhuman so they gave him one, it's no big deal really.

This reminds me of a crapper version of the prime lips thread...

[Nightmare]

looks horrible

[deathfromabove]

snake eyes looks like a joke.

bring me the head of stephen sommers.

[forsakenfilmz]

I read he is going to speak to.:bh:

[richardmvela]

I think that at certain angles and in darker lights Snake Eyes looks ok , However when it is lighter his costume looks poorly done. If they were going to give him cargo pants at least give him the knee pads and higher boots to make it look more like some of his comic variants instead of having a tigh form fitting rubber top and them loose/baggy pants just doesn't look right. The body suits some of the others are wearing are closer in resemblance to his uniform than his own. Also please do away with the mouth. There are so many variants of him that could be done and the one they tried for is one of my favorites. But with this look I would have rather preffered the turtle neck with the balaclava and visor on cargo pants with knee pads and high boots.

[Raiden]

By adding a mouth, they really ruined the look of Snakeyes imo. It's even worse than the glasses for Baroness. It's too bad, because early on it seems like Snakeyes has the best look, but they decided to tinker with something that isn't broken.

I begin to have less and less faith about this movie.

[That-Guy]

Ridiculous. I remember when the first Spider-Man movie came out, I realized how awkward the dialogue scenes were when he had to talk with his mask on since it didn't have a mouth hole like Batman's.

But that problem isn't an issue here because SNAKE EYES DOESN'T F**KING TALK.

Sommers, if "Van Helsing" wasn't a certification of your idiocy, this certainly is.

[mr. peasant]

But that problem isn't an issue here because SNAKE EYES DOESN'T F**KING TALK.

I suspect the problem isn't so much with talking. Rather, given the much less permeable material they're using (I think it's more or less a rubber suit), I think the issue was more with allowing Ray Park to breathe.

[powerbomb1411]

Yeah, because we don't have the technology today to make little things like that disappear in post.[/sarcasm]

[Nightmare]

Double Sarcasm//

[The Avatar]

Yeah, because we don't have the technology today to make little things like that disappear in post.[/sarcasm] so what's the point in adding it in the first place then?

[mr. peasant]

Yeah, because we don't have the technology today to make little things like that disappear in post.[/sarcasm]

While it's true that the technology exists, it would nonetheless take a fair amount of time and money to remove what is ultimately a very small and insignificant feature. It certainly isn't something that will make or break the movie.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I suspect the problem isn't so much with talking. Rather, given the much less permeable material they're using (I think it's more or less a rubber suit), I think the issue was more with allowing Ray Park to breathe.

How can he breathe through a rubber mouth that's molded shut?

[marcvader]

For the life of me, I just don't understand why Hollywood always has to take something that works and no one questions and mess with it. There's no good reason for their tampering. It's always the same ****!

[lespaul59]

The first figue has military style pants, and the mask also has mouth six mouth holes. I'm not to fond of the molded lips but would a smooth face mask be comfortable for Ray Park to wear?

[TheVileOne]

If they can get guys to breathe in the Iron Man suit, they can figure out how to get Ray Park to breathe without that stupid looking mouth.

[HCpride]

lol
you guys act like snake eyes mask is what is going to ruin this movie
have you see the other costumes?

[TheVileOne]

Yeah. Robocop suits look . . . ugh.

[Shampoo!]

lol
you guys act like snake eyes mask is what is going to ruin this movie
have you see the other costumes?Yeah, Snake Eyes looks good compared to the rest of them.

[Golgo-13]

That isn't saying much.....

[Jamie Madrox]

I understand nitpicking, but come on guys, this mouth-piece thing is a bit much isn't it? You act as if the character is doomed 'cause of it. I imagine it will work just fine once you see it on screen.

[Nathan]

ya, they're also cartoons, drawings and figurines. This is a movie, with real people, they need to see where they're going and they have to breathe too

You don't need to mold an actual mouth into the mask for that.

[Jamie Madrox]

The toy that came out in '85 had a mouth piece. Maybe that's what they based it off from?

[ARBH]

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh174/BaltimoreMariners/ray-park-snake-eyes-01.jpg

Looks silly. But, yes... My action figure had a visible mouth as well. So I do not care. That is the least that is wrong with the movie thus far.

[2nzy]

hmmmm
odd as hell

[Bugz]

Snake Eye looks like gumby there.lol

Why rubber?

Maybe it will be dark so we can't see it like here...

http://screenrant.com/first-look-at-snake-eyes-from-gi-joe-heath-1448/

Anyways, I'm more disappointed about Storm Shadow's outfit, but whatever.

[xforce]

You guys crack me up, arguing over a freaking movie made after freaking cartoons made after freaking plastic toys from the 80ies.
This is even more funny than the whining before the Transformer movie.

Get real.

[Daredevil_2003]

Although I agree that Snake Eyes' mask and those goofy ass rubber muscles ruin his costume, there's a lot bigger problems with this movie-film thus far. Like Stephen Sommers, the robocop suits, the cheap Octocamo (MGS4) knockoff suits underneath the Robocop suits, Destro (the real Destro with the mask, etc) and CC not appearing till the very end, Stephen Sommers....not to mention a (from what I hear, haven't actually gotten a copy, myself) piss-poor script and not a single respectable actor.

This film is not going to be another Transformers. Not a chance. It's going to be the massive fail of '09.

Damn shame, too. I was really looking forward to it when it was announced and those first pics of Snake Eyes.

Now? Not so much...

[Nivek]

You guys crack me up, arguing over a freaking movie made after freaking cartoons made after freaking plastic toys from the 80ies.
This is even more funny than the whining before the Transformer movie.

Get real.


So, other than petting your manly man ego around us childish geeks, nerds, and girly-men... what is your purpose posting in this forum? Hell, what are you doing at this site considering that 95% of the "freaking" conversations here are about similar topics?

[Moviefan289]

hilarious to see that this convo is still going. Well here's some psychological clarification that I found for myself and it hasn't helped me with coping but it's at least helped me with UNDERSTANDING...i guess.


Basically yes, the mouth was more than likely molded into the mask so that it resembled the old action figures, but more importantly, rather than making it just fit ray parks face, it was made into plastic looking rubber to make the entire mold for the character.

Elaborating: They want Snake Eyes to look really "cool" and "sleek". They could have him wear spandex, but this wouldn't look so good with lighting or in fight scenes. The Snake-Eyes character's suit was never truly explained in the comics (or I missed it) other than that it was a form fitting armor. So, from the production perspective, they tried replicating the "sleek form fitting armor" look, which in MY OPINION crashed and burned on top of them.



And to all who say that this is a dumb topic, you don't need to post about it. You can simply just ignore it. I would consider this an important aspect of the movie because yes, its ruining the character in my opinion. How do you look cool when you have a molded mouth (with age lines no less) on your face. That's not ninja, that's halloween looking.

As far as a Transformers parallel goes with this thread, it's because we want to see these movies capture what we enjoyed as children, not what people who have never heard of or associated with the product think they can make of it in today's world. And Optimus' mouth only appeared when he talked. I doubt, as a previous poster noted, that Snake-Eyes would ever need a mouth seeing as he's a MUTE.

[Ace of Knaves]

HAHAHA oh my god that looks frickin stupid.

[Ace of Knaves]

You guys crack me up, arguing over a freaking movie made after freaking cartoons made after freaking plastic toys from the 80ies.
This is even more funny than the whining before the Transformer movie.

Get real.

Well what else are the boards here for? If you don't like it, why did you join up?

[Timstuff]

Although I agree that Snake Eyes' mask and those goofy ass rubber muscles ruin his costume, there's a lot bigger problems with this movie-film thus far. Like Stephen Sommers, the robocop suits, the cheap Octocamo (MGS4) knockoff suits underneath the Robocop suits, Destro (the real Destro with the mask, etc) and CC not appearing till the very end, Stephen Sommers....not to mention a (from what I hear, haven't actually gotten a copy, myself) piss-poor script and not a single respectable actor.

This film is not going to be another Transformers.

You wrote an entire paragraph of stuff that was making me feel depressed... But then at the very end, you said something that makes me optimistic? :huh:

I guess I'm one of those "fake fans" since I loved TF. :(

[Timstuff]

2x post

[Timstuff]

Also, I do think that the mouth and nose on Snake Eyes look pretty stupid in a lot of the shots we've seen. However, I seem to recall there being quite a lot of controversy regarding Optimus Prime's mouth as well, and that ended up getting so ridiculous that I ended up just rolling my eyes whenever someone mentioned it.

This shot of Snake Eyes doesn't look bad to me, even though he's in the middle of the daylight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/ray-park-snake-eyes-14.jpg

It's all about how they shoot it. If he's got his visor up and his chin held high for most of the movie, he's going to look retarded. If he's actually acting like a Ninja though, I can buy it.

[Daredevil_2003]

You wrote an entire paragraph of stuff that was making me feel depressed... But then at the very end, you said something that makes me optimistic? :huh:

I guess I'm one of those "fake fans" since I loved TF. :(....what was even remotely optimistic about my post? Unless you wan't GI Joe to suck? :funny:

[catlas]

I have a feeling, I could be wrong mind you, but I think they will do what was done with Voldemort's make up ...rather than do the prosthetic thing..the erased his nose and replaced it with slits digitally..so...if you take into consideration Parks has to breathe...and that most if not all publicity shots of our favorite "commando" do not show his mouth..at all..but it is hidden in the shadows...and it isn't unreasonable for a film to have a small item like a nose or mouth digitally altered throughout the film....it is a good possiblity it will be erased...my 2 cents worth at least....

[TheVileOne]

I understand the context of the shots and all and that it will look different on film.

I still don't like the look of the molded open mouth, I think costume designer says its because he's "still human".

But notice how all the posters seem to almost purposefully obscure or block the open molded mouth like they almost don't want people to see it.

[richardmvela]

This may sound odd, and before anyone flmaes me...I just ask that you have an open mind. When I first heard Ray Park was cast as SNake Eyes, I like everyone was happy. However as a long time GI JOE fan and JOE comic collector, I realized he may not be. The reason i say this is because he is 5-9. Snakes is portrayed as taller than Storm Shadow and as lean as well. When i gave this though (and here is where people will flame me) I thought Freddie Prinze Jr. The REASON I say this is not because I think he is a great actor, but that he has an extensive martial Arts Background and his god father is Robert Wall who was a Heavy Weight Kick-Boxing champ and world renowned Martial Artist. If you think of it this way, he will not have to speak since snake's is mute. And we will not see him (skin to how Edward Norton played the King of Jerusalem in Kingdom of Heaven) and he has martial art skills and has the body type. Just my opinion but I still have love for Ray Park but hate the costume. I think the overly tight top body suit and the baggy pants looks dumb. they could have done a better job.

[Faded To Deaf]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the mouth, the rest of the suit looks okay to me, though.

[Nivek]

Just as long as he's mute, I'm good. He looks like Batman Beyond, I'm gonna be pi$$ed.

[Faded To Deaf]

He kinda does.

[D.P.]

It doesn't ruin it per se, But I'm not a fan of it at all.

It's very unnecessary. I guess it would've killed them to give him a regular ninja mask/face...

[donez510]

Why couldnt they just go with this
http://www.yojoe.com/action/08/agu/snakeeyes30.shtml

[Daredevil_2003]

Why couldnt they just go with this
http://www.yojoe.com/action/08/agu/snakeeyes30.shtmlBecuase that would be something we'd like, and they seem dead set against any of that nonsense...

[Timstuff]

Because you can't trademark it as easily. ;)

[Darkhawk77]

There's nothing wrong with his mask. I can't believe some of you are complaining about something this stupid.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

There's nothing wrong with his mask. I can't believe some of you are complaining about something this stupid.

Opinions vary.

[Nivek]

Notice in almost all the promo material, his face is photoshopped out? What the hell, they go through and do a sculpted face, then don't even promote it after they made a drastic step? All he needed was a simple backlava, they overdid it, now they don't even show people how it really looks.

I better not see that mouth open...