The 2008 Democratic and Republican Primaries

[Zen]

I, the great Malice, prognosticate the following:
1) the Democratic Nomination will goto Obama
2) the Republican Nomination will goto McCain
3) In the end, after a hard fought battle of you such, I rule, Obama will win out.



I am curious about talk radio railing against McCain and i wonder how much impact that will have, if anyone is tearing the conservative movement apart... my vote goes to them.

but in the End,

I have to Second Malice's vision

[cyborg ninja 14]

Go Obama.

[JStorm]

Go Ron Paul.

[ShadowBoxing]

Go Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is most certainly not going anywhere.

[JStorm]

Ron Paul is most certainly not going anywhere.

Looks like I'm writing in Arnold. :up:

[souvlaki]

I'm really anxious to see who comes out on top today. I really really don't want to see Hilary win, but my gut tells me that shes going to win it, even if just by a little. I hope I'm wrong, I really like Obama and want him to win, but if I was asked who's gonna come out on top today I'm afraid I'd have to say Hilary by a slight margin.

Well actually, that's the beauty of Super Tuesday for Obama. If this is close (which it will be), but Hillary ends up on top it actually puts Obama in a good position. The longer this primary goes on the more it works to Obama's advantage. He continues to gain momentum as he has been the last week, and goes on to win in the later states and go to the convention with the most delegates. Or it could come down to the super delegates, that could vote overwhelmingly in Obama's favor (I dont think there are any polls indicating which way the super delegates are voting, but I could be wrong).

Of course ideally he would win the most delegates tonight. But I dont think even the Obama campaign expect that. They are aiming to be 100 delegates shy of Clinton after tonight.

[The Senator]

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

Further proof that ignorance conquers all :up:

[hippie_hunter]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

[rdh007]

Mormon's are great. They get to say bat-**** wacky things and then the second their beliefs start to sound a bit...out there, not to use the word cult-like but....cult-like, God comes to talk to them and conveinently tells them to drop that belief and they have a total change of heart. Its awesome. Literally the ultimate cop-out religion :cwink: :woot:
The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

[The Senator]

The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

Personally, I wouldn't care if a Scientologist ran for President, as long as he or she represented what I stood for the best.

[CorpusBlack]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

Wow! McCain only got 1% in WV.

[CorpusBlack]

The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

As long as it's not Tom Cruise I wouldn't care either way.

[Venom'sDad]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

WOW! What a turnout! ;)

[souvlaki]

Wow! McCain only got 1% in WV.
From what I understand it was a caucus situation in that state. All of McCain's people were told to back Huckabee knowing that McCain didn't stand a chance. I may be wrong, but that was what it sounded like to me.

[The Senator]

WOW! What a turnout! ;)

It was a state convention, so the voters didn't decide the nominee; the state's Republican Party did.

[Prison Mike]

why were the polls in West Virginia closed so early? According to the Wall Street Journal, the polls close at 12:30 p.m. Why so early?

EDIT: jmanspice answered my question.

[hippie_hunter]

From what I understand it was a caucus situation in that state. All of McCain's people were told to back Huckabee knowing that McCain didn't stand a chance. I may be wrong, but that was what it sounded like to me.

It turns out that was the case. Romney should have won West Virginia, but he didn't get enough delegates to win. So by the second round after having a poor showing in the first round, most of McCain's supporters went to Huckabee so that Romney could lose which is what happened.

[Venom'sDad]

Wolf Blitzer of CNN "Situation Room" lol, is reporting voting irregularities in California.

[Matt]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

Tsk, Huckabee is truly in this to play spoiler.

[StorminNorman]

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

Love the Biggotry :up:

[rdh007]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/GrailKnight.jpg
They chose poorly.

[BlackLantern]

why are people so uptight about Romney being Mormom??? its not like he's carting 4 wives around or anything

[Matt]

why are people so uptight about Romney being Mormom??? its not like he's carting 4 wives around or anything

The same reason people are so uptight about gay marriage and other issues that will literally never effect them in their entire life while their friends and family are dying in an unjust war and their jobs are being exported by the thousands due to free trade. Politicans are very very good at using diversionary issues.

[BlackLantern]

IMO thats the biggest problem in this society. all bluster about the gays and religion,etc, but at the end of the day if its not something that affects a persons little universe they could give a **** less. as long as your average american can pay the bills, drink their starbucks, and get the kids to school on time they could care less what goes on in the world around them.....

[Gamma Ray]

Conan, Colbert and Stewart are responsible for this!

[rdh007]

Colbert is the only one who can save us from the mess that he himself started.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ 1% damn...

[souvlaki]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

[BlackLantern]

in terms of voter turnout in general it looks good...Connecticut is looking at a 40 plus percent turnout

[souvlaki]

Obama won Georgia. I think that was a given though.

[R0rschach]

Obama takes Georgia.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

[Gamma Ray]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/art.obama.ga.gi.jpg


Cocky bastard.

[Matt]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

If those are accurate and Obama took Jersey and Massachusetts from her...then goddamn, Clinton is finished.

Obama takes Georgia, too close to call for Republicans. Georgia is an important state for Repubs, right?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Consider Obama was in the 20th percentile a month ago it's damn near amazing :o

[Matt]

CNN reports

McCain: Connecticut, Illinois (big win for him).

Romney: Massachusetts.

Obama: Illinois.

Clinton: Oklahoma.

No call on any of the other states at the moment.

[J. J. Jameson]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/art.obama.ga.gi.jpg


Cocky bastard.

More like...

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/romney-2.jpg

"Yeah...I am that cool."

[Matt]

Consider Obama was in the 20th percentile a month ago it's damn near amazing :o

If these exit polls are accurate...and they seldomn are.

[Matt]

More like...

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/romney-2.jpg

"Yeah...I am that cool."

With hair like that, he can be smug. Obama's hair isn't good enough to earn that right. :o

[Matt]

CNN calls New Jersey for McCain. Another big win for McCain.

[Matt]

CNN calls New Jersey for Romney. Hillary is up by 20 % but not many precincts reporting.

[J. J. Jameson]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

Where did you get these? Link?

[Matt]

Clinton and Huckabee take Arkansas, no suprise.`

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton and Huckabee win Arkansas.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins Tennesee

[Matt]

CNN calls Tennesse for Clinton, not a good sign for Obama.

[Matt]

Romney catching up in Georgia.

[Excel]

Ill believe Obama wins when I see em :o

[The Senator]

Clinton's 25 points ahead in New Jersey, and she leads in Missouri and Massachusetts.

[Matt]

Ill believe Obama wins when I see em :o

What? :huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

First time voting today. I'm not registered with any party but I declared Republican and voted McCain.

[J. J. Jameson]

CNN calls Tennesse for Clinton, not a good sign for Obama.

Exit polls predicted this. No big.

I'm still holding faith that Obama is gonna pull something off.

[Excel]

What? :huh:


New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...


:cwink:

[Matt]

Obama is up by 40 % in Alabama, I'm suprised it hasn't been called for him yet.

[Matt]

Exit polls predicted this. No big.

I'm still holding faith that Obama is gonna pull something off.

It is pretty big. Obama put a lot of time and money into Tennesse.

[The Senator]

Bold Predictions

Clinton wins New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Arkansas and Arizona.

Obama wins California, Illinois, Georgia, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, Utah, Alabama and Connecticut.

[The Senator]

Obama is up by 40 % in Alabama, I'm suprised it hasn't been called for him yet.

Yeah, I was looking at the Politico, and Hillary was ahead by 7 points... then it completely flipped.

[MaskedManJRK]

First time voting today. I'm not registered with any party but I declared Republican and voted McCain.

You can do that? :wow:

Every source I saw said the last day to do that was in January! :csad:

[Matt]

Bold Predictions

Clinton wins New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Arkansas and Arizona.

Obama wins California, Illinois, Georgia, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, Utah, Alabama and Connecticut.

Cali would be HUGE for Obama.

[Matt]

McCain takes Delaware.

[The Senator]

You can do that? :wow:

Every source I saw said the last day to do that was in January! :csad:

The last day to register to vote was a few weeks ago. In some states, you don't have to declare a party to vote in the primary or caucus.

[hippie_hunter]

McCain won Delaware

[The Senator]

I was watching MSNBC a few minutes ago, and I only have one question: What in all that is holy made Bill Richardson grow a beard? :huh:

[Matt]

I was watching MSNBC a few minutes ago, and I only have one question: What in all that is holy made Bill Richardson grow a beard? :huh:

Its a strike beard like Conan O'Brian. He figures Conan made Huckabee, so he in turn can have his candidacy saved by Conan :cwink:

[Matt]

McCain won Delaware

HA! BEAT YOU!

H_H and I are going to have an old fashioned gang fight over who gets to report :cwink:

[hippie_hunter]

*takes out knife*

[The Senator]

Its a strike beard like Conan O'Brian. He figures Conan made Huckabee, so he in turn can have his candidacy saved by Conan :cwink:

BREAKING NEWS!

BILL RICHARDSON WINS NEW YORK!






















:oldrazz:

[Matt]

*starts snapping and dancing* JETS!

[Matt]

BREAKING NEWS!

BILL RICHARDSON WINS NEW YORK!






















:oldrazz:

:wow: Its the O'Brian Bump! Take that Colbert :cwink:

[The Senator]

Clinton wins Massachusetts.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins New York

[The Senator]

Clinton wins New York

I voted correctly!

[Matt]

CNN Projections:

Clinton: New York (no suprise there),

Obama:

McCain:

Romney:

Huckabee:

No other projections at the top of the hour.

[Zen]

I want to know how many delegates their winning... not who gets which state... many states its possible to win the state but get less delegates

[Matt]

Can Wolf Blitzer retire already?

[The Senator]

Can Wolf Blitzer retire already?

MSNBC FTW :up:

[The Senator]

Wolf Blitzer blows :csad:

[Matt]

MSNBC FTW :up:

I've changed just because Blitzer is driving me up the wall

Obama - Delaware.

[J. J. Jameson]

Wolf Blitzer blows :csad:

He wants to marry Hillary Clinton, I swear...

[The Senator]

He wants to marry Hillary Clinton, I swear...

He strikes me as asexual, to be honest.

[Excel]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

[J. J. Jameson]

He strikes me as asexual, to be honest.

Eww...like with spores?

[The Senator]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

Well, to be fair, they called Georgia and Illinois for Obama when the polls hadn't even closed.

Plus, it's her home state. If she loses this, she's finished.

[Matt]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

13 %. When you factor that in with exit polls, you can make an accurate call.

[The Senator]

Eww...like with spores?

Yeah, but more bearded.

[Matt]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

[Excel]

Lets go Barrack! Win!

[Excel]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

[The Senator]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

I depends on how much he loses by. He could lose by 5%, but could win almost the same number of delegates as Hillary, especially in a state as big as CA. Also, he could lose the popular vote, but still win more delegates.

I don't think Jersey will be much of a problem though.

[Matt]

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

Says the guy who knows as little about politics as he does about the box office :cwink: When the Democrats shunned Edwards they gave the Republicans 4 more years. Obama may have been able to put up a better fight, but it would've been in vain.

[Matt]

I depends on how much he loses by. He could lose by 5%, but could win almost the same number of delegates as Hillary, especially in a state as big as CA. Also, he could lose the popular vote, but still win more delegates.

I don't think Jersey will be much of a problem though.

Cali is winner take all, if I'm not mistaken.

[The Senator]

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

Well they certainly know what they're getting themselves into. That's why they voted for her in the first place! :oldrazz:

[The Senator]

Cali is winner take all, if I'm not mistaken.

None of the Democratic primaries are winner-take-all.

[Excel]

Well they certainly know what they're getting themselves into. That's why they voted for her in the first place! :oldrazz:

They are giving away a free election! Wtf!

Says the guy who knows as little about politics as he does about the box office :cwink:

If I knew as much about politics as I do box office Id be working for some political news team, not posting here ;)

[teseract]

Ron Paul will probably launch a third party bid.
That would be pretty cool since he could pull a Nader and take away votes from McCain and the Repubs.

What about the Dingleberry? Think he's gonna demand some, if Romney looses thanks to his vote grabbing? If not Vice President, I could see him trying to get the post of Attorney General. That would be an equally lucrative position for the American Taliban to get leverage on society.

[The Senator]

Walnuts McCain wins New York. But Chris Matthews says he hasn't won any Southern states yet. Interesting...

[hippie_hunter]

McCain wins New York

[The Senator]

Huckabee is pulling strong in many southern states. He may not be dropping out tomorrow after all.

[teseract]

Huckabee is pulling strong in many southern states. He may not be dropping out tomorrow after all.

Baaad News

[hippie_hunter]

That would be pretty cool since he could pull a Nader and take away votes from McCain and the Repubs.

What about the Dingleberry? Think he's gonna demand some, if Romney looses thanks to his vote grabbing? If not Vice President, I could see him trying to get the post of Attorney General. That would be an equally lucrative position for the American Taliban to get leverage on society.

Huckabee won't be Attorney General. That's most likely going to be Giuliani's spot and I think Christ will end up being the Vice President.

I personally think Huckabee's mostly doing it to make Romney lose. Huckabee doesn't like Romney.

[The Senator]

Two things:

1) It's Crist, not Christ. I can't tell whether you people are making a joke or talking about the governor of Florida :cmad: :cwink:

2) Huckabee has absolutely no qualifications whatsoever to become Attorney General. If you think Rudy would have a tough time getting confirmed by the Senate, Huckabee stands no chance. The Senate WILL NOT let a man with zero experience in law take on the number one legal job in the country.

[hippie_hunter]

Walnuts McCain wins New York. But Chris Matthews says he hasn't won any Southern states yet. Interesting...

Delaware is a Southern state and he appears poised to win Tennesee, Alabama, and Oklahoma

[teseract]

Huckabee won't be Attorney General. That's most likely going to be Giuliani's spot and I think Christ will end up being the Vice President.

I personally think Huckabee's mostly doing it to make Romney lose. Huckabee doesn't like Romney.
Urg, Giuliani as Attorney General. That's like making a wolf a shepherder.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Alabama

[The Senator]

Delaware is a Southern state and he appears poised to win Tennesee, Alabama, and Oklahoma

Um, I don't know what United States you live in, but Deleware certainly isn't a Southern State.

[teseract]

Jesus for Betsy! This is exciting, I should have been in bed by now, it's past 3 am here but damn I can't sleep. :woot:

[The Senator]

Obama's got 71% of the vote so far in Kansas....

[Matt]

Even Romney's press secretary has perfect hair and a chizzled jaw.

[rdh007]

Huckabee?...Huckabee?...If for no other reason than his last name, for God's sake, don't vote for Huckabee, don't support him, don't force the old man to take him as the likely President.

*walks out, head down muttering Huckabee over and over*

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins Massachusetts

[hippie_hunter]

Um, I don't know what United States you live in, but Deleware certainly isn't a Southern State.

Delaware is officially classified as a Southern state. It's not a traditional one, but it's classified as one.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins New Jersey

[E. Nygma]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

Clinton won NJ, NY, and MA it looks like

Granted i have no clue about politics or what is going on.

[Prison Mike]

wow, looks like Clinton is getting a lock on the nomination. But I have been wrong before (still sad over Giants victory).

[Excel]

Explain it to me, Barrack winning in 9 states shes only leading in 8...

[The Senator]

I think Mitt Romney may be finished tonight.

[BlackLantern]

the states that Hilary are winning carry more electoral votes

[Excel]

But this is a delegate race (?)

[The Senator]

Explain it to me, Barrack winning in 9 states shes only leading in 8...

It's about delegates, not states. He's winning states like Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota, which have lower Delegate counts, whereas she's winning New York, New Jersey and Tennessee, which have higher delegate counts.

[BlackLantern]

NY, TX, CA, are probably the most populous states in the US win those and your chances look damn good

[Zen]

so far no real surprises on the democratic side...

i thought obama would do better in mass but hes going to scoop up a fair number of delegates despite not carrying the state...

[The Senator]

NY, TX, CA, are probably the most populous states in the US win those and your chances look damn good

Texas isn't until March, though.

[Excel]

It's about delegates, not states. He's winning states like Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota, which have lower Delegate counts, whereas she's winning New York, New Jersey and Tennessee, which have higher delegate counts.

Buts its not winner take all, his smaller states should make up some of the difference right?

[Excel]

I talked to several people from mass who said they voted for clinton so john mccain would win the general election...

[Zen]

obama has a majority of th smaller states... if he can keep it close in cali this should be exciting

[hippie_hunter]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

[CrypticOne]

So did Hilary win the Democratic nomination? I'm confused. I want Obama to win!

[BlackLantern]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

big surprise there....if he lost the Mormon Command Base he should have quit then and there

[teseract]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

Not much of a surprise, is it? ^^

[BlackLantern]

So did Hilary win the Democratic nomination? I'm confused. I want Obama to win!

Not yet....the Democratic National Convention isnt untill later this year...thats when the nomination is officially announced....

[Excel]

Obama has Utah

[The Senator]

Buts its not winner take all, his smaller states should make up some of the difference right?

But if you win a majority of the delegates in the big states, it doesn't matter how many of the small states you win a majority in.

Say he wins in North Dakota, which has 13 delegates (I don't think that's right, but roll with it). He wins with 62% of the vote, so he wins 8 delegates, and Hillary wins four or five.

Then Hillary wins New York, which has 232 delegates. She wins with 63% of the vote, so she wins 146 delegates.

There's a huge difference, as you can tell. There's no way all the small states will help him; he needs a few big states in between.

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain wins Oklahoma

[teseract]

It's an act of God I tell you!:woot:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/05/tornados-force-some-tennessee-polling-places-to-close/

[CrypticOne]

Not yet....the Democratic National Convention isnt untill later this year...thats when the nomination is officially announced....

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. So tonight, it's just to see who has more states under their belt?

[The Senator]

big surprise there....if he lost the Mormon Command Base he should have quit then and there

Ugh. Why do people feel the need to bash Mormons?

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins North Dakota

[BlackLantern]

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. So tonight, it's just to see who has more states under their belt?

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

[Excel]

God Huckabees wife is unattractive

[CrypticOne]

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

Alright, thanks. My understanding of this is complete.

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins Conneticut and Kansas

[hippie_hunter]

Mike Huckabee wins Alabama

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins Minnesota

[The Professor]

Romney with Utah, no surprise there.

[Excel]

well this party really died

[teseract]

Seems like Huckleberry Hound will win at least 4 more states.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm amazed that Romney can say that they're going to go on yet he's getting his ass kicked by McCain and Huckabee.

[rdh007]

well this party really died

California is the big one left.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, Huckabee's wins so far are no surprise, but I'm loving that Romney is thinking that his campaign can go on the way tonight is going so far.

[BlackLantern]

ooo how cute...Romney still thinks he has a chance....thats adorable

[teseract]

Yeah, Huckabee's wins so far are no surprise, but I'm loving that Romney is thinking that his campaign can go on the way tonight is going so far.

He's leading in Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee and won Alabama, Arkansas and WV.

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain wins Arizona

[Excel]

where can i find how many delegates each state has?

[Zen]

politico.com

realclearpolitics.com

[The Senator]

I'm amazed that Romney can say that they're going to go on yet he's getting his ass kicked by McCain and Huckabee.

Romney is one of the most disillusioned candidates ever. I bet he'll say he won the silver but he'll go on to win the gold.

[hippie_hunter]

Romney is one of the most disillusioned candidates ever. I bet he'll say he won the silver but he'll go on to win the gold.

He can't even say he won the Silver. He lost the South to Huckabee and the big delegate states went to McCain.

[teseract]

I'm amazed that Romney can say that they're going to go on yet he's getting his ass kicked by McCain and Huckabee.
Hmmm, he's got more delegates than Huckleberry according to CNN

[The Senator]

He can't even say he won the Silver. He lost the South to Huckabee and the big delegate states went to McCain.

Well, he's an idiot, so he might even say he won the whole thing.

[Gamma Ray]

msn has a pretty handy primary watch site.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22997326/

[Excel]

Total votes so far

Obama: 3,876,934
Hillary: 3,954,279

[The Senator]

Romney wins North Dakota.

[hippie_hunter]

Mitt Romney wins North Dakota

[The Senator]

Obama officially wins Idaho.

[hippie_hunter]

Hmmm, he's got more delegates than Huckleberry according to CNN

Those were from past contests. So far tonight he's only won Massachusetts, North Dakota, and Utah. He'll most likely win some more midwestern states tonight, but Romney's showing tonight was pathetic.

John McCain had a good showing by winning delegate rich winner take all states of New York, New Jersey, Arizona, and Illinois along with Delaware, Conneticut, and Oklahoma.

Though I think Mike Huckabee had the most impressive showing with his wins in Alabama, Arkansas, and West Virginia along with his good showings and likely victories in Tennesse and Georgia. Sure he won't win the nomination, but maybe we called him off too soon.

[BlackLantern]

wow such a pivotal state...North Dakota....how many people live there?? like 30 people and a sh**load of deer?? I thought it was a parking lot

[The Senator]

It looks like Huckabee's going to win Tennessee.

[teseract]

It looks like Huckabee's going to win Tennessee.
Not that much of a surprise really.

[Excel]

anybody watching missouri?

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Clinton will likely win Missouri, but it's very, very close with the Republicans.

[Excel]

Obama gaining and fast

[The Senator]

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

1) Okay, good to know you're not bashing the Mormons. "Mormon Command Center" seemed pretty flashy, though.

2) The winners of Super Tuesdays in the past have won their party's nomination because they won landslide victories. This year, it's a different story, at least for the Democrats. No one has one a clear victory, and even after California is called... it won't be decided for a few weeks, if not a few months. The big, later states such as Virginia, Maryland, Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania will be officially decide it this time around. Of course, if Obama wins CA, he may go on to win the later states. Even if he doesn't, he'll still have a good advantage in at least MD and VA. Hillary will be hurt by the later states, unfortunately.

[hippie_hunter]

Romney wins Minnesota.

[The Senator]

Not that much of a surprise really.

Actually it is, since McCain was leading there earlier. McCain was also leading Alabama, but Huckabee won that, too.

I find it interesting that McCain hasn't won any Southern States. Oklahoma is technically a western/ plains state, so that doesn't count. Very interesting indeed...

[teseract]

Those were from past contests. So far tonight he's only won Massachusetts, North Dakota, and Utah. He'll most likely win some more midwestern states tonight, but Romney's showing tonight was pathetic.

John McCain had a good showing by winning delegate rich winner take all states of New York, New Jersey, Arizona, and Illinois along with Delaware, Conneticut, and Oklahoma.

Though I think Mike Huckabee had the most impressive showing with his wins in Alabama, Arkansas, and West Virginia along with his good showings and likely victories in Tennesse and Georgia. Sure he won't win the nomination, but maybe we called him off too soon.
Which is sad, I would have loved to see him crash and burn.

Looks like the Repubs are split in the middle. The American Taliban loves Huckabee, while the Moderate and Liberal Conservatives love McCain. I'm really curious what will happen if McCain wins the nomination.

[rdh007]

Shows Michigan and Florida for trying to move up. They'd have been crucial.

[Excel]

hillarys winning cali.

[Lightning Strykez!]

God Huckabees wife is unattractive

Agreed. I honestly thought it was a man in drag when I first saw her. She's built like a line-backer. :(

[The Joker_1000]

Total votes so far

Obama: 3,876,934
Hillary: 3,954,279


Obama is doing just fine, I'm sure he'll catch up pretty soon.

[Lightning Strykez!]

hillarys winning cali.

What makes you say that? Last I checked the numbers were extremely close.

[hippie_hunter]

Hillary currently has over 55% of the vote to Obama's 33%

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hillary currently has over 55% of the vote to Obama's 33%

How much has been counted? As long as he remains in striking distance those delegates will be divied up handily...even if she does carry the state. In fact, that's been the story all night so far.

[Excel]

How much has been counted? As long as he remains in striking distance those delegates will be divied up handily...even if she does carry the state. In fact, that's been the story all night so far.
2%

Race goes on and given that barrack raised 32 million in January compared to Hillarys 13...

[Lightning Strykez!]

2%

Race goes on and given that barrack raised 32 million in January compared to Hillarys 13...

I think what this whole exercise has shown is that the longer Obama has time to run and get exposure with the American public, the better he does nationally. He needs time...and if this mess goes on past tonight and expands to other states i.e. Texas, who knows how things will turn out.

One thing is for certain: If it appears that Hillary is even close to being "front runner" we will see an avalanche of anti-Billary damnation launched against her campaign in the coming weeks. There is a huge sentiment that doesn't want to see her prevail, and if that core group of people feels threatened by tonight's results they will go ALL OUT.

And we won't even touch on the Repubbie's impact on the matter as well.

[hippie_hunter]

Huckabee wins Georgia

[The Senator]

Tom Brokaw is talking about Romney running for President in the future. That would be interesting, since he'll be 69 in 2016-- the same as Reagan was when he ran in 1980.

As if you thought the Reagan analogies were dead...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Why is Mitt Romney acting like he has bragging rights in his speech? As if the party for him will go on?

DUDE, YOU'VE LOST. :down

Huckabee totally undercut whatever lead he hoped to gain. It's time for him to gracefully bow out because even his millions of dollars can't change people's minds apparently.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Idaho and Colorado

[Lightning Strykez!]

Obama wins Idaho and Colorado

So much for the statement that Obama can only win where you have huge black populations, eh? I mean, are there any people living in North Dakota--least of all blacks? LOL

[teseract]

Huckabee wins Georgia
Man, the South really is the red headed stepchild of the rest of the Nation.

[Excel]

hillary wins cali

[Lightning Strykez!]

hillary wins cali

Is that a projection or do you have something more substantial? I'm only seeing 12% reporting in so far, and he is right on her azz.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's a shame that John Edwards didn't endorse one of these two. I wonder what kind of impact that would have had on the race, because he's still raking in decent numbers.

[The Senator]

Actually, he's almost 230,000 votes behind her with 11% reporting, according to the Politico.

[hippie_hunter]

Is that a projection or do you have something more substantial? I'm only seeing 12% reporting in so far, and he is right on her azz.

Clinton currently winning by over 200,000 votes is not Obama right on her azz. It looks like he'll lose California and by a rather decent margin.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Nevermind. I see the updated results now.

[Lightning Strykez!]

However, I believe it is still rather early to call anything just yet. It appears that the candidates are less concerned with "carrying" states and more focused on getting the delegates. So if that gap narrows, he'll still benefit.

[Excel]

His problem in cali is 40% of the vote are absentee so any momentum hes gained in the past month doesnt mean a thing.

Popular vote so far:

Clinton: 5,293,956
Obama:5,145,040

HOLY CRAP this be close!

[hippie_hunter]

Romney won Montana.

[The Senator]

Obama is leading in Missouri :wow:

[PoSeiDon]

Im a young African American of 24 years of age, GO HILLARY!! I voted for her even though Obama won IL, I'm from Chicago.

GO HILLARY!

[hippie_hunter]

Huckabee won Tennessee.

[Excel]

Obama takes Missouri! Whoa!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Romney won Montana.

Well it's about time he won something tonight. Albeit...not a real contested prize.

And yes, Excel, it's defintely going to be a close one in Cali--at least in terms of the popular vote. I am sure there is much nail-biting going on in both camps.

[The Professor]

Obama takes Missouri! Whoa!

Did he? Hilary had it earlier but I guess Obama came through. Good stuff.

[The Senator]

Clinton wins CA.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow, Barry did take Missouri. Now that was a close battle! :eek:

[PoSeiDon]

ITS NOT A TAKE!

Obama is now only leading by one percent so there is no blow out. Hillary needs to maintain her almost 20 point lead in Cali. MI just will be too close to call or he will win by one point, no big issue there. They have to split the delegates

[The Senator]

Well, he won Missouri. He'll at least have one more delegate than Clinton, plus a few Super Delegates, since he has McCaskill and a couple Congressmen supporting him, too.

[Excel]

How can you support Hillary for the nomination when you know it means 4 more years of a repubglicans, probably john mccain!

[The Senator]

How can you support Hillary for the nomination when you know it means 4 more years of a repubglicans, probably john mccain!

Well, considering she's a Democrat, and McCain's a Repubglican [sic]... and I'm a Democrat...

...wait...

...

I can do this...

hold on...

gah!

2 +2 = what again?

Oh that's right :oldrazz:

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton and McCain win California.

[PoSeiDon]

Hillary And Mccain Have Won California!!! Per Cnn!

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain won Missouri

[The Chairman]

Hillary And Mccain Have Won California!!! Per Cnn!

Great, now Obama is completely screwed. California's a big loss for him.

[The Senator]

Great, now Obama is completely screwed. California's a big loss for him.

Not quite. If it does even out, he could still earn quite a few delegates. Plus, he's got big states such as PA, VA, MD, OH and TX to wait for. So he's not done yet. Also, his wins in Missouri, Alabama and some of the smaller states have kept him alive for now.

If he loses VA and MD next week, though, I'd say he's just about finished.

[The Chairman]

Not quite. If it does even out, he could still earn quite a few delegates. Plus, he's got big states such as PA, VA, MD, OH and TX to wait for. So he's not done yet. Also, his wins in Missouri, Alabama and some of the smaller states have kept him alive for now.

If he loses VA and MD next week, though, I'd say he's just about finished.

* Crosses fingers*

I can't vote, so it doesn't matter, but as I've mentioned I've been following the election greatly because it's the one that will probably have the greatest impact on my generation.

Though I really doubt Obama would win Texas, for obvious reasons.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Alaska

[bunk]

Crazy, crazy night.

[The Professor]

Come on, Obama.

Even though things are looking dim now, the next few weeks are supposed to be his favor. Why are Republicans so attracted to McCain, also? He's so unlikable, and doesn't seem "Presidential" whatsoever.

[The Senator]

Apparently, Obama will lead Hillary in the overall delegate count when everything's said and done, per CNN.

[PoSeiDon]

Hillary needs to really get it in tow now that she has won California! She needs to get is going for real. She is leading with delegates but these states coming up after tonight is crucial. And if Florida gets those delegates back in play she has a chance!

[The Senator]

Hillary needs to really get it in tow now that she has won California! She needs to get is going for real. She is leading with delegates but these states coming up after tonight is crucial. And if Florida gets those delegates back in play she has a chance!

Screw it. If Obama comes out on top even by a few delegates, he'll have enough momentum to sweep some of the later states. He's almost got it in the bag now.

Also, the DNC will not reinstate Florida and Michigan's delegates. It'll be a desperate battle which will slaughter Hillary's credibility if she does try to overturn the ruling, which she favored at the beginning of this whole thing.

[hippie_hunter]

Apparently, Obama will lead Hillary in the overall delegate count when everything's said and done, per CNN.

Actually CNN has Hillary Clinton with a 100+ lead in delegates right now. She has more pledged delegates (341 to Obama's 319) and more superdelegates (193 to Obama's 106).

[The Senator]

Actually CNN has Hillary Clinton with a 100+ lead in delegates right now. She has more pledged delegates (341 to Obama's 319) and more superdelegates (193 to Obama's 106).

They haven't factored in CA, UT, ID, MO, AS, MN, ND and a couple other states, to the best of my knowledge. I got my news from the tele.

[hippie_hunter]

They haven't factored in CA, UT, ID, MO, AS, MN, ND and a couple other states, to the best of my knowledge. I got my news from the tele.

If she maintains her lead in California the way it is right now, she really shouldn't have to worry too much.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Missouri

[bunk]

I don't trust anyone's numbers regarding the super delegates. As of now, it looks like a tie for the Dems. I feel like there's not much stopping McCain at this point though.

[Matt]

Hahah, a month ago everyone would've said Super Tuesday would decide the Democratic election and the Republican would come down to the wire. Now here we are...McCain's win in California pretty much locks things up for him where as Clinton and Obama are about 100 delegates apart and either can still win (though last night will be a huge momentum boost for Clinton).

[Matt]

Well it's about time he won something tonight. Albeit...not a real contested prize.

And yes, Excel, it's defintely going to be a close one in Cali--at least in terms of the popular vote. I am sure there is much nail-biting going on in both camps.

Not really. Clinton won by 10 % which is a huge blow for Obama.

[Super_Ludacris]

Surely if its still a down to the wire situation on the Dems side, regardless if Hilary wins a lot today, Obama still in the mix. Or so thats what people are saying.

[Matt]

How can you support Hillary for the nomination when you know it means 4 more years of a repubglicans, probably john mccain!

So does Obama.

[Matt]

Surely if its still a down to the wire situation on the Dems side, regardless if Hilary wins a lot today, Obama still in the mix. Or so thats what people are saying.

He is still in the mix, but Hillary is the winner last night. She swept all of the big 4 states. Every headline will be reading how she came out on top. That is the kind of momentum and publicity you can't buy.

[Zen]

Not really. Clinton won by 10 % which is a huge blow for Obama.


i dont know how huge 10 percent is... when it was 20% i would agree, but 10 doesnt mean i giant difference in delegates.... 6% could have meant as few a difference as 16 delegates, so im curious exactly what the delegate count will officially be.

[Matt]

i dont know how huge 10 percent is... when it was 20% i would agree, but 10 doesnt mean i giant difference in delegates.... 6% could have meant as few a difference as 16 delegates, so im curious exactly what the delegate count will officially be.

I believe it means about 20 delegates, but that is beside the point. It is about more than delegates. Everyone was saying how Obama closed the gap and California was going to be a tight race. Now his campaign has the embarrassment of losing by a double digit number. Granted, its not 20 %, but its still a pretty prominent gap. It is an embarrassment for the Obama campaign...and in politics that is far worse than any ammount of delegates Clinton can get. It will be a huge momentum boost for Hillary.

[souvlaki]

He is still in the mix, but Hillary is the winner last night. She swept all of the big 4 states. Every headline will be reading how she came out on top. That is the kind of momentum and publicity you can't buy.

I'm too lazy to check delegate numbers, but I'm assuming the four you are referring to are California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. I don't really get looking at those losses as surprises, or something that will hurt Obama. A couple weeks ago all four of those states were overwhelmingly in Clinton's favor. I'm disappointed at the loss in California, but in all honesty I was being overly optimistic. He had a lot of catchup to do here in a short amount of time.

At any rate, nothing really changed last night. It can be spun as Hillary winning 20-ish more delegates, or Obama winning four more states. Noone was really hurt or benefited from last night. However, if Obama does well in the next few races (which it looks like he might) he may be able to pass her up.

[The Senator]

I believe it means about 20 delegates, but that is beside the point. It is about more than delegates. Everyone was saying how Obama closed the gap and California was going to be a tight race. Now his campaign has the embarrassment of losing by a double digit number. Granted, its not 20 %, but its still a pretty prominent gap. It is an embarrassment for the Obama campaign...and in politics that is far worse than any ammount of delegates Clinton can get. It will be a huge momentum boost for Hillary.

I would agree with you, except for a few things. The next five primaries are in four states where Obama is bound to dominate: Louisiana, Virginia, DC, and Maryland. He may even come out on top in Washington state. It seems like the delegates are proportionally where they were on February 4... Clinton leads mainly because of Super Delegates. Because they split each state, Obama can still claim a decent number of delegates in some of the states he lost last night.

No one emerged a clear frontrunner. They both gained some momentum simply because no one can claim victory. And the fact that Obama is still in the game benefits him more than it does her, because those later states now have more time to "close the gap." Plus, if she screws up once, or if Bill says something stupid, that's all the more time to blast her campaign out of the water and emerge victorious.

He may very well win the nomination.

[Zen]

new mexico leaning Obama...

what does that make the count 14-8 ? thats also a talking pointas well matt... youll hear that the big four are going to be won by democrats in november reguardless... but Obama proving he can pull out the people to these other states that may prove crucial in the national race against the republicans, is another talking point against hillary as a candidate who many think galvanizes the fractured republican base with McCain at the lead.

also who has the popular vote right now... i haven't found it yet.

i think Obama will have free publicity as well... so far all im seeing is "dems split states" and "slight edge" talking points for hillary.

Obama won more states, but hillary won the big few... i think youll hear these things, not that hillary is the decisive victor.

[Zen]

Clinton - 897 Obama - 822

Delegate totals so far according to RealClear's projections...

those superdelegates are going to have a huge effect on this race... if Obama can swing even a handfull of them it would be huge.

[BlackLantern]

we have a pool in my office as to when Ron Paul drops out....I have first week of july and second week of august. he'll hang till summer because he genuinely believes he has a shot its adorable

[Matt]

I really think this may come down to the convention. Been awhile since we've seen a scenario like that, eh?

[Zen]

I really think this may come down to the convention. Been awhile since we've seen a scenario like that, eh?

whens the last time? this is the first primary i have been seriously engaged with

[Matt]

whens the last time? this is the first primary i have been seriously engaged with

Not in my recent memory.

I would like to see it though. Back in the day, conventions were held to decide upon a platform and then pick a candidatew who suits that platform. Now-a-days they are just 3 straight days of kissing the nominee's ass. I'd really like to see the Democrat party fight it out. Granted, choosing between Obama and Clinton wouldn't be choosing a real Democrat, so it wouldn't really serve my purpose...but it would be fun to watch.

[Zen]

Not in my recent memory.

I would like to see it though. Back in the day, conventions were held to decide upon a platform and then pick a candidatew who suits that platform. Now-a-days they are just 3 straight days of kissing the nominee's ass. I'd really like to see the Democrat party fight it out. Granted, choosing between Obama and Clinton wouldn't be choosing a real Democrat, so it wouldn't really serve my purpose...but it would be fun to watch.

does this hurt the democrats chance by eating up valuable campaign time against the republicans?

[Soundwave]

I have a question. How long do the Superdelegates have to change their mind? Can they actually change their votes at the convention. I'm kinda confused on how they work?

[Matt]

does this hurt the democrats chance by eating up valuable campaign time against the republicans?

At this point I say good. Let the Democrats lose this year. Let them know Franklin Roosevelt's party will not strive under the leadership of pseudo-Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama. Then come 2012, when a candidate who knows what it truly is to be a Democrat like Sherrod Brown runs, we will actually win.

[Lightning Strykez!]

He is still in the mix, but Hillary is the winner last night. She swept all of the big 4 states. Every headline will be reading how she came out on top. That is the kind of momentum and publicity you can't buy.

Actually, that's not how the media is reading today at all. Yeah, she won some of the big states where she's had decades of prep to build up, but Obama remains a force to reckon with--and that's what the media is saying today. He won more states, and he has more delegates tallied (from last night's events, not overall).

The next few states are critical for Obama and the demographics do favor him. Plus he raised over $30 million last month alone so he will have the latitude needed to promote the hell out of his platform in the coming weeks. That is an advantage that Hillary can not lay claim to. Her momentum still has a serious ceiling to it.

There was no clear winner except maybe McCain--and even that is relative.

[Excel]

The medias not spinning it either way,. They all say the same: Barack won the most staes but she won the bigger ones. Their all saying its gonna go on for a while which is only good for Obama. Matt I dont see how this is a Hillary win. Its certaintly not an Obama win but its niether, things are too unclear.

But the most intersting-and if your Clinton, worrying-stat of the night has to be the popular vote.

Clinton: 7,405,188
Obama: 7,337,777

Thats the total votes from around the country yesterday, she leads by a mere 67,411 votes. While polls showing gaps closing in Cali, Mas. and co. were a bit off, the national ones sure werent.

He raised 33 million in January to her 13; this thing will clearly be going on for a while. Looking at the schedules, this Saturday looks good for Obama as he has shown to do very well in caucuses, and he could potentially sweep next Tuesday's states (DC, Maryland, and Virginia). Then he would really have the momentum, with more money in the bank. Hillary will need to win Texas and Ohio.

That would give Obama the potential delegate lead heading into Pennsylvania, where he would habve undeniable momentum.

Again, how many Cali votes were ABSENTEE? Something like 40% I heard. Those were cast weeks ago, before all the Obama buzz really hit.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Agreed Excel. The popular vote is definitely veeeery interestin'. :up:

I'm willing to bet that Hillary & Co. never expected to have to go share-cropping for delegates like they are now. They probably thought it'd be an easy cruise to the win, but Obama and Edwards created quite a different storm for her.

[Matt]

Popular vote means jack though. No aspect of the Presidential election is based on popular vote, it is all about states and districts. I'll concede that Obama did not lose last night. But he certainly did not win either and it was certainly a momentum blow and a set back for his campaign. It proved that all these Kennedy and other endorsements that he has been flaunting means jack. It proves that his outspending of Clinton as of late meant jack. While he did not outright lose, it was not a good night for his campaign. I wonder though, if for once...Pennsylvania will decide a primary :wow:

But yeah...definitely the only loser last night was REAL Democrats. :csad:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

13 %. When you factor that in with exit polls, you can make an accurate call.

You said it wasn't accurate when Obama was projected in 20th percentile a month ago :confused: