The 2008 Democratic and Republican Primaries

[StorminNorman]

I think Clinton will win by 7 in Ohio.

I am not sure who will take Texas.

Obama and Clinton will win Vermont and Rhode Island respectfully - probably by similar amounts.

[hippie_hunter]

Ohio:
Clinton: 51
Obama: 48

Texas:
clinton 50
Obama 49.5
(obama heavily wins in delegates though)

I think either candidate will win Texas by a margin of 1 or 2 percent.

[comicgirl]

I pretty much agree with Obama taking Texas and Vermont, with Hillary taking Rhode Island. Ohio is a toss-up to me, though Hillary is favored.I agree with that. Hillary has the lead right now in PA, but its fading. Except for Philly, Harrisburg (woot!), central PA and Pittsburgh, PA is pretty conservative.

Just talking to my coworkers, the ones who would vote McCain will vote Obama to keep Hillary from carrying the state.

[souvlaki]

Changing my predictions after hearing reports of early voting, and Clinton's internal polls. I think she will win Ohio by 5% or so, but Obama will have a really good night in Texas. There are reports going around that Obama leads in the early vote in Texas somewhere in the area of 56% to 44%. Al Giordano just put this up on his blog:

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=822

For those not familiar with who he is, he's been pretty much on the money so far, and he is also the person that leaked Clinton's internal polls in Ohio that show her with a decent lead in the state. He's predicting a conservative +27 delegate gain for Obama. This also explains Clinton's campaign playing down expectations that they will win both states tomorrow night, and have changed the story the last few days to indicate that Obama has to win everything. I'm thinking Texas may possibly be California in reverse.

[souvlaki]

He's also predicting a conservative 53% to 47% margin if you guys are more interested in percentages. Given that the guy has seen Clinton's internal polls, I'm thinking he knows what he's talking about.

[souvlaki]

Also, for those interested in what Clinton's internal polls show in Ohio, it has her up 10% in Ohio. I'm predicting closer to 5% because internal polls are generally a bad indication of how good your opponent's ground campaign is going. For instance, Kerry's internal polling had him up 53% in 2004.

[Marx]

Also, for those interested in what Clinton's internal polls show in Ohio, it has her up 10% in Ohio. I'm predicting closer to 5% because internal polls are generally a bad indication of how good your opponent's ground campaign is going. For instance, Kerry's internal polling had him up 53% in 2004.

I think Clinton has the opportunity to have a really good day. She may not win by large margins, but I think she gets everything but Vermont. Here in Ohio, things look good for her. I would be very surprised if she lost Rhode Island. And nearly 1/3 of the vote in Texas is latino. It's going to be interesting!

[Gamma Ray]

I'm actually rooting for Hillary tomorrow. Barack Hussein Obama has very few presidential qualities and should not even be where he is now. He's the Sanjaya of the presidential race.

[Marx]

I'm actually rooting for Hillary tomorrow. Barack Hussein Obama has very few presidential qualities and should not even be where he is now. He's the Sanjaya of the presidential race.

I would give Barack a little more credit than that Gamma Ray. He is very intelligent, knowledgable about policy, and extremely likeable. He is far from being a "Sanjaya."

[souvlaki]

I think Clinton has the opportunity to have a really good day. She may not win by large margins, but I think she gets everything but Vermont. Here in Ohio, things look good for her. I would be very surprised if she lost Rhode Island. And nearly 1/3 of the vote in Texas is latino. It's going to be interesting!

Yeah, but early polling is showing that the number of African Americans that have voted so far in Texas is actually about equal to that of Latinos. Honestly I'm thinking Obama is really bringing in the African American vote in Texas, whereas the Latinos may not be as energized as they were a few weeks back. Also, the areas where there is a large amount of African Americans is more delegate rich than the areas with more Latino votes. Dont get me wrong, I think it's entirely possible it may end up close, or may even end up being a win for Clinton. Nothing would shock me at this point, and as an Obama supporter it wouldn't be the first time I got my hopes up. But I'm far more optimistic than I was earlier in the day. I think people are going to be shocked how wrong the polls the last day in that state were. Of course I could come back here tomorrow night with my tail between my legs, so I'm not going so far as to call it even close to a guarantee for Obama. Personally, I'm just hoping for a decent showing from him in the three states he was expected to lose 3 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago I would have been thrilled at the prospects of Obama closing the gap to even a 10% margin.

[Marx]

Yeah, but early polling is showing that the number of African Americans that have voted so far in Texas is actually about equal to that of Latinos. Honestly I'm thinking Obama is really bringing in the African American vote in Texas, whereas the Latinos may not be as energized as they were a few weeks back. Also, the areas where there is a large amount of African Americans is more delegate rich than the areas with more Latino votes. Dont get me wrong, I think it's entirely possible it may end up close, or may even end up being a win for Clinton. Nothing would shock me at this point, and as an Obama supporter it wouldn't be the first time I got my hopes up. But I'm far more optimistic than I was earlier in the day. I think people are going to be shocked how wrong the polls the last day in that state were. Of course I could come back here tomorrow night with my tail between my legs, so I'm not going so far as to call it even close to a guarantee for Obama. Personally, I'm just hoping for a decent showing from him in the three states he was expected to lose 3 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago I would have been thrilled at the prospects of Obama closing the gap to even a 10% margin.

That may be true Souv, but overall the latino vote is something like 38 percent of the total vote. African-Americans account for just 12-15 percent of the total.

[souvlaki]

That may be true Souv, but overall the latino vote is something like 38 percent of the total vote. African-Americans account for just 12-15 percent of the total.

In early voting the percentage is looking something like 25% for both. Keep in mind that early voting is accounting for over 60% of the final vote. Of course it's entirely possible that that just means that more African Americans voted early, and more Latinos are waiting until election day, but as of right now there is a virtual tie in that respect.

[Marx]

In early voting the percentage is looking something like 25% for both. Keep in mind that early voting is accounting for over 60% of the final vote. Of course it's entirely possible that that just means that more African Americans voted early, and more Latinos are waiting until election day, but as of right now there is a virtual tie in that respect.

I'm not at all surprised by that. I just know that final vote percentages, latinos are double (and then some) of African-Americans. Nearly half the electorate in Texas is minority.

[souvlaki]

Also keep in mind there hasn't been all that much to exactly energize black democrats in Texas to vote since probably the first Clinton. Latinos are often swing voters, and have been known to vote both ways. Considering Texas is about as red as it gets, that may account for the higher Latino vote in the past.

[Marx]

Also keep in mind there hasn't been all that much to exactly energize black democrats in Texas to vote since probably the first Clinton. Latinos are often swing voters, and have been known to vote both ways. Considering Texas is about as red as it gets, that may account for the higher Latino vote in the past.

Do you know if Texas is a closed primary? That could factor into things as well.

[souvlaki]

Do you know if Texas is a closed primary? That could factor into things as well.

Nope. It's completely open. That's another reason why I'm thinking Obama will do better than expected. I dont think Texas Republicans can resist the opportunity to vote against Clinton.

[Marx]

Nope. It's completely open. That's another reason why I'm thinking Obama will do better than expected. I dont think Texas Republicans can resist the opportunity to vote against Clinton.

That's going to be a tough one. I still think Hillary has enough of the latino vote to counter anything dramatic.

[souvlaki]

That's going to be a tough one. I still think Hillary has enough of the latino vote to counter anything dramatic.

We'll see. At the very least I'm optimistic now that he can at least squeeze a delegate lead out of Texas once the caucus results come in. And in regards to the open primary situation, I was thinking about this... given that this is Texas, I just don't think there is going to be a whole lot of enthusiasm for McCain there. Texas Republicans probably dislike McCain, but I'm sure they dislike Clinton even more. I think they'd be more willing to risk a President Obama than a President Clinton, especially now that the Republican race is pretty much over, and especially knowing they can end her candidacy tomorrow night.

[Marx]

We'll see. At the very least I'm optimistic now that he can at least squeeze a delegate lead out of Texas once the caucus results come in. And in regards to the open primary situation, I was thinking about this... given that this is Texas, I just don't think there is going to be a whole lot of enthusiasm for McCain there. Texas Republicans probably dislike McCain, but I'm sure they dislike Clinton even more. I think they'd be more willing to risk a President Obama than a President Clinton, especially now that the Republican race is pretty much over.

I'm not so sure that Texas likes McCain. Aren't the ultra right-wing conservatives saying to vote for Hillary instead of McCain???

[souvlaki]

I'm not so sure that Texas likes McCain. Aren't the ultra right-wing conservatives saying to vote for Hillary instead of McCain???

Yeah, but when a hardcore conservative republican is behind the curtain do you really think they will resist the opportunity to vote against a Clinton? The last thing on earth a Texas Republican wants is another eight years of a Clinton in the White House.

[Marx]

Yeah, but when a hardcore conservative republican is behind the curtain do you really think they will resist the opportunity to vote against a Clinton? The last thing on earth a Texas Republican wants is another eight years of a Clinton in the White House.

You've definately got a point there!

[souvlaki]

And really, the only people telling Republicans to vote for Hillary instead are Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. I don't know that Republicans are really taking that to heart. The idea of risking another eight years with a Clinton in the White House has got to scare the crap out of them far more than having McCain in the White House. I am about as far from a hardcore conservative as it gets, but I'd wager they'd be more willing to risk Obama winning against McCain than Clinton. ESPECIALLY in Texas. They have an unrivaled hatred for the Clintons'.

[Marx]

And really, the only people telling Republicans to vote for Hillary instead are Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. I don't know that Republicans are really taking that to heart. The idea of risking another eight years with a Clinton in the White House has got to scare the crap out of them far more than having McCain in the White House. I am about as far from a hardcore conservative as it gets, but I'd wager they'd be more willing to risk Obama winning against McCain than Clinton. ESPECIALLY in Texas. They have an unrivaled hatred for the Clintons'.

Ann Coulter...Rush Limbaugh...they make me want to scream. I can't stand either one of them! They are nothing more than a bunch of hate-mongers. It's definately going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. I should get to bed, I gotta get up early to GO VOTE! Catch you later Souv! :sleepy:

[souvlaki]

Ann Coulter...Rush Limbaugh...they make me want to scream. I can't stand either one of them! They are nothing more than a bunch of hate-mongers. It's definately going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. I should get to bed, I gotta get up early to GO VOTE! Catch you later Souv! :sleepy:

Goodnight... tell us how it goes tomorrow.

[Matt]

Discuss the primaries that may very well decide the nomination here!

[Matt]

Also, for those interested in what Clinton's internal polls show in Ohio, it has her up 10% in Ohio. I'm predicting closer to 5% because internal polls are generally a bad indication of how good your opponent's ground campaign is going. For instance, Kerry's internal polling had him up 53% in 2004.

Well, in all fairness EVERY poll had Kerry winning Ohio. Yet curiously the machines in several Democratic counties malfunctioned which caused voters to get shut out past the dead line.

Anyhow, merging with the OFFICIAL THREAD!

[souvlaki]

Well, in all fairness EVERY poll had Kerry winning Ohio. Yet curiously the machines in several Democratic counties malfunctioned which caused voters to get shut out past the dead line.

Anyhow, merging with the OFFICIAL THREAD!

True... but another case of internal polls being wrong is Obama's internal polls for New Hampshire. I think he will probably end up losing Ohio, but I doubt it will be by a 10% margin, especially after hearing early voting seems to be going his way.

[hippie_hunter]

What is very likely the very last set of polling for the contests tonight:

Ohio

Reuters/C-Span/Zogby
Clinton: 44%
Obama: 44%

Rasmussen
Clinton: 50%
Obama: 44%

Suffolk
Clinton: 52%
Obama: 40%

PPP (D)
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 42%

SurveyUSA
Clinton: 54%
Obama: 44%

University of Cincinnati
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 42%

Quinnipac
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 45%

RCP Average
Clinton: 51.1%
Obama: 43%

Rhode Island

Brown University
Clinton: 42%
Obama: 37%

Fleming
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 40%

Rasussen
Clinton: 53%
Obama: 39%

RCP Average
Clinton: 48%
Obama: 38.3%

Texas

Reuters/C-Span/Zogby
Clinton: 47%
Obama: 44%

Rasmussen
Obama: 48%
Clinton: 47%

InsiderAdvantage
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 44%

PPP (D)
Clinton: 50%
Obama: 44%

SurveyUSA
Obama: 49%
Clinton: 48%

WFAA/Belo Tracking
Clinton: 46%
Obama: 45%

M-D/Star-Telegram
Obama: 46%
Clinton: 45%

RCP Average
Clinton: 47.4%
Obama: 45.7%

Vermont

Rasmussen
Obama: 57%
Clinton: 33%

[Marx]

What is very likely the very last set of polling for the contests tonight:

Ohio

Reuters/C-Span/Zogby
Clinton: 44%
Obama: 44%

Rasmussen
Clinton: 50%
Obama: 44%

Suffolk
Clinton: 52%
Obama: 40%

PPP (D)
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 42%

SurveyUSA
Clinton: 54%
Obama: 44%

University of Cincinnati
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 42%

Quinnipac
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 45%

RCP Average
Clinton: 51.1%
Obama: 43%

Rhode Island

Brown University
Clinton: 42%
Obama: 37%

Fleming
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 40%

Rasussen
Clinton: 53%
Obama: 39%

RCP Average
Clinton: 48%
Obama: 38.3%

Texas

Reuters/C-Span/Zogby
Clinton: 47%
Obama: 44%

Rasmussen
Obama: 48%
Clinton: 47%

InsiderAdvantage
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 44%

PPP (D)
Clinton: 50%
Obama: 44%

SurveyUSA
Obama: 49%
Clinton: 48%

WFAA/Belo Tracking
Clinton: 46%
Obama: 45%

M-D/Star-Telegram
Obama: 46%
Clinton: 45%

RCP Average
Clinton: 47.4%
Obama: 45.7%

Vermont

Rasmussen
Obama: 57%
Clinton: 33%

I strongly think that Hillary is going to have a good day today. Regardless if she wins by double-digit margins or not. It will be enough to break Obama's momentum. When I went to vote this morning, (in a very republican area of Ohio) more people were switching to Democratic ballots. I also overheard the poll workers saying that they had seen "an ungodly amount of absentee ballots." Turnout will be strong.

[souvlaki]

I strongly think that Hillary is going to have a good day today. Regardless if she wins by double-digit margins or not. It will be enough to break Obama's momentum. When I went to vote this morning, (in a very republican area of Ohio) more people were switching to Democratic ballots. I also overheard the poll workers saying that they had seen "an ungodly amount of absentee ballots." Turnout will be strong.

Er... but absentee ballots and Republican votes is probably a good sign for Obama. I'm failing to see your logic.

[souvlaki]

I'm still quite pessimistic about tonight however, despite how it may sound. But really, all this talk of absentee voters and Republican voters can only really be seen as a plus for Obama, especially when reports are coming in that Obama is doing very well in early voting in both states. If turnout is low today, then the absentee voters will have a bigger say, which probably means Obama will do a lot better than expected.

[Marx]

Er... but absentee ballots and Republican votes is probably a good sign for Obama. I'm failing to see your logic.

I was just making more a point that voter turnout is still strong despite claims that the weather will be a factor. The Republican voters I heard were saying nothing of Obama. It was all things Hillary. If you know what I mean.

[souvlaki]

And incase you are wondering about these early voting reports, I've only seen one poll of early Texas voters where Hillary was thought to have an advantage. Every other poll (and there have been quite a few) I've seen has Obama up by at least 10 percent in early voting. That's a good sign for him. Personally, I'm hoping for a California in reverse scenario. There were a couple polls out the day of that election that had Obama with as much as a 10 point lead, and he ended up losing by a ridiculous amount.

[souvlaki]

I was just making more a point that voter turnout is still strong despite claims that the weather will be a factor. The Republican voters I heard were saying nothing of Obama. It was all things Hillary. If you know what I mean.

They were mentioning who they were voting for? That seems odd. I just find it hard to swallow that when a Republican gets behind that curtain they will vote for Hillary.

[Marx]

And incase you are wondering about these early voting reports, I've only seen one poll of early Texas voters where Hillary was thought to have an advantage. Every other poll (and there have been quite a few) I've seen has Obama up by at least 10 percent in early voting. That's a good sign for him. Personally, I'm hoping for a California in reverse scenario. There were a couple polls out the day of that election that had Obama with as much as a 10 point lead, and he ended up losing by a ridiculous amount.

I still think that Texas will be the last one called. It is going to be far too close.

[Marx]

They were mentioning who they were voting for? That seems odd. I just find it hard to swallow that when a Republican gets behind that curtain they will vote for Hillary.

Very discreetly. There was more of a "Hillary" presence than an "Obama" one.

[souvlaki]

I still think that Texas will be the last one called. It is going to be far too close.

You voted for Obama, right? I think you mentioned that (I may be wrong). If that's the case, dont worry, it's probably just pessimism setting in. I've been the same way for the last month now. I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up right now, but I'd personally be happy if it's just really close in both states. I could accept that just as long as Hillary doesn't completely destroy him tonight. I was really pessimistic before Wisconsin as well, and I was shocked at how far off my predictions were. I was convinced up until the race was called that Hillary was gonna pull off a win there.

[souvlaki]

On that note, if Hillary does win by a large margin tonight, I may have to call it quits as far as paying attention to this race for a while. I'm becoming way too emotionally invested in this race, and the back and forth going on is really starting to get on my nerves. I just want this to end so I can move on with my life because I will inevitably be a nervous wreck in November as well.

[Marx]

You voted for Obama, right? I think you mentioned that (I may be wrong). If that's the case, dont worry, it's probably just pessimism setting in. I've been the same way for the last month now. I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up right now, but I'd personally be happy if it's just really close in both states. I could accept that just as long as Hillary doesn't completely destroy him tonight. I was really pessimistic before Wisconsin as well, and I was shocked at how far off my predictions were. I was convinced up until the race was called that Hillary was gonna pull off a win there.

I've never said who I was voting for. I do have a tremendous amount of respect for both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama though. I am a registered and very proud Democrat. I did vote for one of them, I just prefer to be a little coy. :funny:

[souvlaki]

I've never said who I was voting for. I do have a tremendous amount of respect for both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama though. I am a registered and very proud Democrat. I did vote for one of them, I just prefer to be a little coy. :funny:

No worries. I know there were a couple people that said they ended up voting for Obama, and I thought you were one of them. Really, either side of the fence you are on, it's going to be a stressful night for both sides.

[Marx]

On that note, if Hillary does win by a large margin tonight, I may have to call it quits as far as paying attention to this race for a while. I'm becoming way too emotionally invested in this race, and the back and forth going on is really starting to get on my nerves. I just want this to end so I can move on with my life because I will inevitably be a nervous wreck in November as well.

You're definately not alone there Souv! It is definately not a bad thing to be so interested in politics though :yay:

[Marx]

No worries. I know there were a couple people that said they ended up voting for Obama, and I thought you were one of them. Really, either side of the fence you are on, it's going to be a stressful night for both sides.

Stressful night indeed! I just think it's great to see so many people interested in the political process. We are seeing turnout numbers the likes of which we have not seen in a long long time. It's exciting! :applaud

[souvlaki]

You're definately not alone there Souv! It is definately not a bad thing to be so interested in politics though :yay:

It is when you have panic attacks every time a new poll comes out. This primary season has consumed my Tuesday nights the last 3 months. I really need to just get my act together and volunteer to work on Obama's campaign. At least then I would feel I was doing something productive with all this enthusiasm. Right now it's like I said: I feel like I'm watching a horse race in slow motion, stoned out of my mind. Every time my horse pulls ahead, that Hillary horse catches up. And the finish line is still a couple months away. And really, that can be quite frustrating, especially considering I'm more interested in the horse than the horse race. Yeah, that was a bad analogy, but still.

[Marx]

It is when you have panic attacks every time a new poll comes out. This primary season has consumed my Tuesday nights the last 3 months. I really need to just get my act together and volunteer to work on Obama's campaign. At least then I would feel I was doing something productive with all this enthusiasm. Right now it's like I said: I feel like I'm watching a horse race in slow motion, stoned out of my mind. Every time my horse pulls ahead, that Hillary horse catches up. And the finish line is still a couple months away. And really, that can be quite frustrating, especially considering I'm more interested in the horse than the horse race. Yeah, that was a bad analogy, but still.

You've said that before and I just crack up everytime. :lmao: It's a pretty good description. You should join a campaign though! It's a great experience. I've helped out the past two presidential campaigns. Have you been to any rallies? Those are the best!

[souvlaki]

The one time I had the opportunity to see Obama, my work wouldn't give me the time off. I was pretty annoyed. Plus, California is a pretty big state, so whenever he appears here it's kind of hit or miss whether or not he's close enough for me to go. The only thing that has stopped me of late from volunteering is my school and work schedule have been pretty daunting lately. I'm in the middle of pursuing a pretty time consuming major in sound recording engineering which requires a lot of time devoted to internships and such. The one bright side to this election is Tuesday night has replaced my weekly addiction to 24, which generally wrecks havoc on my nerves as well. At least now I feel like I'm getting all worked up over something other than Jack Bauer on a weekly basis.

[Marx]

The one time I had the opportunity to see Obama, my work wouldn't give me the time off. I was pretty annoyed. Plus, California is a pretty big state, so whenever he appears here it's kind of hit or miss whether or not he's close enough for me to go. The only thing that has stopped me of late from volunteering is my school and work schedule have been pretty daunting lately. I'm in the middle of pursuing a pretty time consuming major in sound recording engineering which requires a lot of time devoted to internships and such. The one bright side to this election is Tuesday night has replaced my weekly addiction to 24, which generally wrecks havoc on my nerves as well. At least now I feel like I'm getting all worked up over something other than Jack Bauer on a weekly basis.

I can certainly understand all that. Hopefully you'll get a chance to participate! It's really exciting. I've been tv-side every tuesday night also for election returns. It does look like "24" fever will return in January though! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[souvlaki]

I can certainly understand all that. Hopefully you'll get a chance to participate! It's really exciting. I've been tv-side every tuesday night also for election returns. It does look like "24" fever will return in January though! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Yeah, I'm glad it's returning next January, but the wait is killing me. Really though, this election has been a nice substitute. It's certainly been more entertaining and exciting than last season of 24.

[Marx]

Yeah, I'm glad it's returning next January, but the wait is killing me. Really though, this election has been a nice substitute. It's certainly been more entertaining and exciting than last season of 24.

You couldn't be more right!

[StorminNorman]

After looking at the polls - who have recently shown a trend in support of Hillary, I will predict a 4 point victory for her in Texas.

[The Senator]

I'm still quite pessimistic about tonight however, despite how it may sound. But really, all this talk of absentee voters and Republican voters can only really be seen as a plus for Obama, especially when reports are coming in that Obama is doing very well in early voting in both states. If turnout is low today, then the absentee voters will have a bigger say, which probably means Obama will do a lot better than expected.

Absentee ballots usually aren't counted unless the election is close, so that might not have any effect.

And usually, when these surveys are taken, the company will use a sample of all eligible voters who can vote in the primary. Most of these polls reflect which way the vote is going to go, regardless of absentee ballots or reverse-party voting. So I have a feeling tonight's results will reflect the polls pretty closely...

[The Senator]

It is when you have panic attacks every time a new poll comes out. This primary season has consumed my Tuesday nights the last 3 months. I really need to just get my act together and volunteer to work on Obama's campaign. At least then I would feel I was doing something productive with all this enthusiasm. Right now it's like I said: I feel like I'm watching a horse race in slow motion, stoned out of my mind. Every time my horse pulls ahead, that Hillary horse catches up. And the finish line is still a couple months away. And really, that can be quite frustrating, especially considering I'm more interested in the horse than the horse race. Yeah, that was a bad analogy, but still.

I work in politics... so... panic attacks consume me everyday.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I strongly think that Hillary is going to have a good day today.

Of course she will. She has effectively played the "Damsel In Distress" role from her last debate all the way to the Media--which has bought into this "Texas and Ohio: Save Her Today!" ploy. Today she said that she and McCain would bring experience to the White House, but all Obama would bring "is a 2002 speech." :rolleyes: She is beyond vicious.

But that's okay...I have a feeling she will be seriously humbled either now (tonight) or later (at McCain's hands). It's no longer about the popular vote--it's about the math.

[Lightning Strykez!]

On that note, if Hillary does win by a large margin tonight, I may have to call it quits as far as paying attention to this race for a while. I'm becoming way too emotionally invested in this race, and the back and forth going on is really starting to get on my nerves.

It's interesting you say that.

I've heard quite a few mention similar sentiments while I was getting my haircut today, and I wonder this: If Hillary is seen as "stealing" this nomination, what effect will that have on minority voters who supported Barak Obama or were put off by her husband's antics? If you listen to the radio here, there are many African American's angry and disillusioned with her now.

I just wonder what impact that will have on her campaign, if she's the only Democrat standing. No Dem candidate can make it to the White House WITHOUT the black vote. Her support has been eroded in more ways than one...and damage has been done.

[Marx]

It's interesting you say that.

I've heard quite a few mention similar sentiments while I was getting my haircut today, and I wonder this: If Hillary is seen as "stealing" this nomination, what effect will that have on minority voters who supported Barak Obama or were put off by her husband's antics? If you listen to the radio here, there are many African American's angry and disillusioned with her now.

I just wonder what impact that will have on her campaign, if she's the only Democrat standing. No Dem candidate can make it to the White House WITHOUT the black vote. Her support has been eroded in more ways than one...and damage has been done.

That's why if she wins, it has to be a Clinton/Obama ticket. He can pull in what she cannot, and vice versa.

[Matt]

Of course she will. She has effectively played the "Damsel In Distress" role from her last debate all the way to the Media--which has bought into this "Texas and Ohio: Save Her Today!" ploy. Today she said that she and McCain would bring experience to the White House, but all Obama would bring "is a 2002 speech." :rolleyes: She is beyond vicious.

Haha, she really said that? Gotta admit, its a hell of a soundbite. But its also a semi-valid point. Any time Obama's lack of experience is brought up what is his response? "I had enough experience to speak out against Iraq in 2004!"

[Lightning Strykez!]

That's why if she wins, it has to be a Clinton/Obama ticket. He can pull in what she cannot, and vice versa.

He won't accept that. All he has to do is talk to Al Gore to find out how much room a Billary Administration would leave for him. :whatever:

That's why I believe that even if she wins the battle, she will lose the war. And McCain--along with his beautiful Stepford Cuckoo wife--will take the Oval Office. :dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Haha, she really said that? Gotta admit, its a hell of a soundbite. But its also a semi-valid point. Any time Obama's lack of experience is brought up what is his response? "I had enough experience to speak out against Iraq in 2004!"

Yep, she said it today to reporters on an airplane after it had touched down. My friend and I were watching it and both of our jaws dropped. He was like, "Yeah, she's getting diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirty now. Wow."

Sound bite? Nah. His log of experience is far more extensive than that. :rolleyes: What all has she accomplished? Her failed HillaryCare? Trust me, if she's the nominee, she will get her AZZ handed to her by the Republicans because there is a whole lot more dirt on her than Obama. Plus, she's a woman and I won't even get into how some men in the country feel about a female C-I-C.

[Marx]

He won't accept that. All he has to do is talk to Al Gore to find out how much room a Billary Administration would leave for him. :whatever:

That's why I believe that even if she wins the battle, she will lose the war. And McCain--along with his beautiful Stepford Cuckoo wife--will take the Oval Office. :dry:

I strongly believe that he would. If was in the best interest of the party, yes he would.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I strongly believe that he would. If was in the best interest of the party, yes he would.

After all he's said about "Out with the past, in with the future"?

He'd lose credibility.

Although if they joined forces, I believe they might be unstoppable for a run towards the White House. By herself though, she'd be finished.

If she really wanted him by her side, she wouldn't be ripping him the way she is though. Did Kerry do this to Edwards? I can't remember.

[hippie_hunter]

I can't see it. When the two look at each other, they look like they want to kill each other. This is like Romney vs. the rest of the GOP candidates, Clinton and Obama just can't stand each other.

[Marx]

After all he's said about "Out with the past, in with the future"?

He'd lose credibility.

Although if they joined forces, I believe they might be unstoppable for a run towards the White House. By herself though, she'd be finished.

If she really wanted him by her side, she wouldn't be ripping him the way she is though. Did Kerry do this to Edwards? I can't remember.

You better believe Kerry ripped into Edwards. (I was campaigning for Kerry at the time, I remember it well.) It's all politics. Each and every candidate wants to be the winner.

[hippie_hunter]

CNN's exit polls have Clinton leading in the Latino demographic wile Obama is leading in the African-American one

[StorminNorman]

Surprise surprise...

[Marx]

I just wanted to let everyone know that here in Ohio, news outlets are reporting that some polling places are running out or completely have run out of Democratic ballots. More are being printed and are awaiting arrival.

[hippie_hunter]

No surprise there. There's sorta no need to vote for the Republican race since McCain has it in the bag, but with the Democrats it's different. It's still undecided and if I may say, very exciting.

That and Democrats have been very energized this year.

[souvlaki]

CNN's exit polls have Clinton leading in the Latino demographic wile Obama is leading in the African-American one

That's a shocker... God, CNN's exit polls are horrible.

[souvlaki]

New exit polls: Independent voters in Ohio account for 1 of every 5 voters. Texas it's 1 of every 4. Rhode Island is 1 of every 3. Vermont it's 4 of every 10.

[souvlaki]

And the dreaded "change" is still more important than "experience" to voters in Ohio.

[hippie_hunter]

I really doubt Obama is going to win Ohio and Rhode Island.

I've said it so many times, but I'll say it again it's all Texas tonight. This is the state we have to watch today.

[souvlaki]

I really doubt Obama is going to win Ohio and Rhode Island.

I've said it so many times, but I'll say it again it's all Texas tonight. This is the state we have to watch today.

I doubt it too. But I dont think it's going to be the 10% margin that Clinton's internals show.

[Marx]

I doubt it too. But I dont think it's going to be the 10% margin that Clinton's internals show.

It could be Souv, ya never know!

[hippie_hunter]

I agree that it isn't going to be by 10%. I'm thinking about 5% or so.

[souvlaki]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/obama_well_work.html

The campaign's internal tracking, meanwhile, showed good signs for Obama in Texas today, at least as of noon: Turnout appeared higher than they projected in dense African-American neighborhoods, areas home to many students, and in cities they felt good about, such as Austin, Dallas, and Houston. Voting in heavily Latino districts, meanwhile, appeared lower than projected, aides said.

[Marx]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/obama_well_work.html

The campaign's internal tracking, meanwhile, showed good signs for Obama in Texas today, at least as of noon: Turnout appeared higher than they projected in dense African-American neighborhoods, areas home to many students, and in cities they felt good about, such as Austin, Dallas, and Houston. Voting in heavily Latino districts, meanwhile, appeared lower than projected, aides said.

Is that quote from Obama's campaign aides? If that is the case, of course they are going to downplay the latino vote and ramp up the African-American one. You know?

[hippie_hunter]

CNN's latest exit polls:

Clinton leads among voters without a college degree, while Obama leads among those with one in Ohio.

Most Texans think that Clinton is more qualified than Obama, but attacked Obama unfairly.

[StorminNorman]

I doubt it too. But I dont think it's going to be the 10% margin that Clinton's internals show.

Internal polling is quite often the most accurate.

[souvlaki]

Is that quote from Obama's campaign aides? If that is the case, of course they are going to downplay the latino vote and ramp up the African-American one. You know?

Not on election day. If their internal polls were showing they were doing bad they would be downplaying expectations.

[souvlaki]

Internal polling is quite often the most accurate.

Ohio in 2004, and New Hampshire two months ago disagree with you.

Like I said earlier, internal polling generally shows how well your own ground campaign is doing, not how well your opponents is.

[StorminNorman]

Ohio in 2004, and New Hampshire two months ago disagree with you.

Like I said earlier, internal polling generally shows how well your own ground campaign is doing, not how well your opponents is.

Every Polling has its examples of inaccuracies. That being said - by in large - its the most accurate.

[souvlaki]

CNN's latest exit polls:

Clinton leads among voters without a college degree, while Obama leads among those with one in Ohio.

Most Texans think that Clinton is more qualified than Obama, but attacked Obama unfairly.

Once again, useless exit polls from CNN. That last one is slightly interesting, but really, overall, their exit polls are beyond obvious. Black people are supporting Obama? What a shocker!

[souvlaki]

Every Polling has its examples of inaccuracies. That being said - by in large - its the most accurate.

Oh, I agree... I just think it will be a little closer, especially given how many undecided voters there were as of yesterday.

[Marx]

CNN reporting large hispanic voter turnout in Texas.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama and McCain win Vermont

[Excel]

C'mon Barack, win! You can put her away tonight! But as has been said the past 2 weeks-unless the wins in texas and ohio are landslide wins for hillary, she hasnt helped herself.

[souvlaki]

They are saying that it's possible that Obama may win more delegates from Vermont than Hillary may win from both Texas, Rhode Island, and Ohio. If Obama were to win more overall delegates from Vermont than Hillary does from the other three, but Hillary wins the other three, I wonder how the media would spin that.

[redfirebird2008]

CNN reporting large hispanic voter turnout in Texas.

The other day they were talking about a county that has 98% Hispanic voters. They said it would be a good gauge on how the vote is going. I don't like the people on CNN, mainly Wolf Blitzer (annoying douche bag), but their county-by-county breakdown is pretty cool.

[souvlaki]

Yeah, judging from the exit polls popping up on CNN, it sounds like Obama killed her in Vermont. He beat her by a sizable margin in every category, including senior citizens.

[hippie_hunter]

They are saying that it's possible that Obama may win more delegates from Vermont than Hillary may win from both Texas, Rhode Island, and Ohio. If Obama were to win more overall delegates from Vermont than Hillary does from the other three, but Hillary wins the other three, I wonder how the media would spin that.

That makes no sense at all.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, judging from the exit polls popping up on CNN, it sounds like Obama killed her in Vermont. He beat her by a sizable margin in every category, including senior citizens.

I was just about to say that she not only lost but got pwned in Vermont.

[souvlaki]

That makes no sense at all.

Um... if the other three states are close, and Vermont is not it completely makes sense. I'm talking about net delegates, not overall.

[redfirebird2008]

That makes no sense at all.

Actually it does. If she wins Ohio and Texas by 1% each like she did in New Mexico, then what good does it do her? He's probably going to have Vermont by 25+% so that's where the difference would come in.

[Excel]

what times do polls in Ohio, Texas close?

[Marx]

what times do polls in Ohio, Texas close?

Polls close here in Ohio at 730. Texas and Rhode Island close at 9.

[redfirebird2008]

In Texas, most of the state closes at 7 CDT, aka 8 EDT. However, part of the state is mountain time zone, so it is 9 EDT, 8 CDT. That would be El Paso mainly. I am not sure how they are going to count the caucus. The caucus starts at 7:15 CDT (hour from now) and I am not sure how long it goes on or when they start counting.

[souvlaki]

CNN reporting large hispanic voter turnout in Texas.

CNN also reported that Republicans accounted for 10% of the vote. That's the one that really interests me.

[souvlaki]

Polls close here in Ohio at 730. Texas and Rhode Island close at 9.

They just extended it to 9 in the northern parts of Ohio because of the weather.

[redfirebird2008]

CNN also reported that Republicans accounted for 10% of the vote. That's the one that really interests me.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see whether the typical Texas white male Republican votes against Hillary (their gut instinct) or if they do what Rush Limbaugh has told them to do and vote for Hillary. Should be very entertaining to see the results of that demographic.

[Excel]

therev are reports of repbulicans voting for hillary so its her running against mccain

[Marx]

They just extended it to 9 in the northern parts of Ohio because of the weather.

Yeah I just saw that! You beat me to it Souv! :funny:

[souvlaki]

Yeah, it will be interesting to see whether the typical Texas white male Republican votes against Hillary (their gut instinct) or if they do what Rush Limbaugh has told them to do and vote for Hillary. Should be very entertaining to see the results of that demographic.

I'm thinking Texas Republicans may lean Obama, and Ohio Republicans may lean Clinton. What's interesting is in both states Republicans accounted for 10% of the vote. The Republicans may well decide the Democratic Primary.

[souvlaki]

therev are reports of repbulicans voting for hillary so its her running against mccain

Where have you read that? The only thing I've heard to that effect is the whole Limbaugh thing. This poll seems to indicate Republicans like Obama almost as much as McCain.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080304/NATION/326810167/1001

[Marx]

I'm thinking Texas Republicans may lean Obama, and Ohio Republicans may lean Clinton. What's interesting is in both states Republicans accounted for 10% of the vote. The Republicans may well decide the Democratic Primary.

That would be very ironic but I think Democratic voter turn out (the ones who are actually Democrats) will counter anything that Democratic-disguised Republicans could do.

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain has won Ohio

[redfirebird2008]

That would be very ironic but I think Democratic voter turn out (the ones who are actually Democrats) will counter anything that Democratic-disguised Republicans could do.

And if the true Democrats split, then it comes down to the Republicans and Independents. I think the Independent demographic could play a larger role than anything else. The Independents seem to have a lot of undecided voters, so whoever they choose could get a big boost.

[Marx]

And if the true Democrats split, then it comes down to the Republicans and Independents. I think the Independent demographic could play a larger role than anything else. The Independents seem to have a lot of undecided voters, so whoever they choose could get a big boost.

I do agree with the role of Independents.

[souvlaki]

Damn, I wish they would start putting up some number already. They've been pretty on top of that in the past, I wonder why they are lagging so much. Vermont has been projected for over a half hour now.

[Matt]

C'mon Barack, win! You can put her away tonight! But as has been said the past 2 weeks-unless the wins in texas and ohio are landslide wins for hillary, she hasnt helped herself.

I love the way you treat politics like a football game. And he won't put her away tonight, regardless of if she "helps herself." As long as she can stay within a few hundred delegates between now and PA she can take it all the way to the convention.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama up by 15 in Vermont with 2% of the vote counted. Seems as though that is a lot closer than the polls have said, and it's not enough for him to gain a big delegate difference there.

[Kelly]

Well get ready for the Texas votes to be ****ed over. There are reports of vote stealing in Houston...........this is about to turn into a hell of a primary. I'll try and keep ya'll posted.

[redfirebird2008]

Hillary with 62% of the non-college vote in Ohio. And they call Obama's voters ignorant cultists. :whatever:

[Marx]

Damn, I wish they would start putting up some number already. They've been pretty on top of that in the past, I wonder why they are lagging so much. Vermont has been projected for over a half hour now.

Vermont is pretty much Obama country.

[Marx]

Well get ready for the Texas votes to be ****ed over. There are reports of vote stealing in Houston...........this is about to turn into a hell of a primary. I'll try and keep ya'll posted.

WHAT??? Oh my...:shock

[Matt]

Hillary with 62% of the non-college vote in Ohio. And they call Obama's voters ignorant cultists. :whatever:

Just because they did not go to college doesn't make them stupid. Ohio is filled with blue collar workers. They aren't stupid people, they just took jobs that do not require college degrees. Don't be an ass.


Also, CNN is reporting that Clinton has a dominant lead in the Latino vote in every state tonight, which could be huge in Texas.

[Kelly]

Hillary with 62% of the non-college vote in Ohio. And they call Obama's voters ignorant cultists. :whatever:

:huh: :huh:
What?

what does that even mean?

[Marx]

Hillary with 62% of the non-college vote in Ohio. And they call Obama's voters ignorant cultists. :whatever:

Aye! Watch it, you're talking about my state.

[hippie_hunter]

Here are some exit polls on Ohio's Demographics which makes the situation look better for Clinton:

Gender
Male: 41%
Female: 59%

Age Groups
17 - 29: 16%
30 - 44: 28%
45 - 59: 34%
60+: 23%

Male
Obama: 52%
Clinton: 47%

Female
Clinton: 54%
Obama: 45%

[redfirebird2008]

Just because they did not go to college doesn't make them stupid. Ohio is filled with blue collar workers. They aren't stupid people, they just took jobs that do not require college degrees. Don't be an ass.


Also, CNN is reporting that Clinton has a dominant lead in the Latino vote in every state tonight, which could be huge in Texas.

By blue collar, do you mean the types that think Obama is a Muslim? I heard an interview yesterday with a factory worker that said he was leaning towards Obama but had issues with him because he's a Muslim. The interviewer corrected him and he said that he had heard it from a friend. They might not be stupid, but there are plenty of ignorant voters out there. Stupid does not mean ignorant and ignorant does not mean stupid.

[Marx]

Just because they did not go to college doesn't make them stupid. Ohio is filled with blue collar workers. They aren't stupid people, they just took jobs that do not require college degrees. Don't be an ass.


Also, CNN is reporting that Clinton has a dominant lead in the Latino vote in every state tonight, which could be huge in Texas.

Ohioans are extremely intelligent Firebird! Don't talk about my state like that. Please be respectful.

[Kelly]

WHAT??? Oh my...:shock



Exactly.....the **** is about to hit the longhorn fan.......:o

[Marx]

By blue collar, do you mean the types that think Obama is a Muslim? I heard an interview yesterday with a factory worker that said he was leaning towards Obama but had issues with him because he's a Muslim. The interviewer corrected him and he said that he had heard it from a friend. They might not be stupid, but there are plenty of ignorant voters out there. Stupid does not mean ignorant and ignorant does not mean stupid.

People like that do not speak for the larger population. That goes for everywhere, not just in Ohio.

[Matt]

By blue collar, do you mean the types that think Obama is a Muslim? I heard an interview yesterday with a factory worker that said he was leaning towards Obama but had issues with him because he's a Muslim. The interviewer corrected him and he said that he had heard it from a friend. They might not be stupid, but there are plenty of ignorant voters out there. Stupid does not mean ignorant and ignorant does not mean stupid.

No, by blue collar it means people who did not get a college degree. Why are you stereotyping people. Imagine the response if someone said all Obama supporters were black people on welfare. Is that true? Hell no. But what you are saying is just as ridiculous.

[redfirebird2008]

Ohioans are extremely intelligent Firebird! Don't talk about my state like that. Please be respectful.

Where did I question their intelligence? I've seen articles with female, Hillary supporters in Ohio trying to scare voters by referring to his middle name, I've heard interviews with people that think he's a Muslim, etc. This does NOT mean they are stupid. This means they are IGNORANT. There is a huge difference, so stop putting words in my mouth. Matt did it and now you just did it.

[hippie_hunter]

Well get ready for the Texas votes to be ****ed over. There are reports of vote stealing in Houston...........this is about to turn into a hell of a primary. I'll try and keep ya'll posted.

I love how you mention Texas and said ya'll :woot:.

[redfirebird2008]

No, by blue collar it means people who did not get a college degree. Why are you stereotyping people. Imagine the response if someone said all Obama supporters were black people on welfare. Is that true? Hell no. But what you are saying is just as ridiculous.

I've been a victim of this stereotyping (college student, supposedly part of a delusional cult), from Hillary's campaign itself. I have a right to fight back. :cwink:

[Kelly]

By blue collar, do you mean the types that think Obama is a Muslim? I heard an interview yesterday with a factory worker that said he was leaning towards Obama but had issues with him because he's a Muslim. The interviewer corrected him and he said that he had heard it from a friend. They might not be stupid, but there are plenty of ignorant voters out there. Stupid does not mean ignorant and ignorant does not mean stupid.

Come on Red......you are only weakening ANY opinion you have in this forum with comments like this.....don't slam a group of people, in order to make your candidate look stronger.................as the kids in my classroom would say......don't hold up the ignorant sign, it only calls attention to you.

[hippie_hunter]

Where did I question their intelligence? I've seen articles with female, Hillary supporters in Ohio trying to scare voters by referring to his middle name, I've heard interviews with people that think he's a Muslim, etc. This does NOT mean they are stupid. This means they are IGNORANT. There is a huge difference, so stop putting words in my mouth. Matt did it and now you just did it.

No your original post was:

Hillary with 62% of the non-college vote in Ohio. And they call Obama's voters ignorant cultists. :whatever:

Even though you say ignorant, your post makes you look like you're calling people who didn't support Obama and those who didn't go to college stupid.

And it makes you look like an ass :o

[Matt]

I've been a victim of this stereotyping (college student, supposedly part of a delusional cult), from Hillary's campaign itself. I have a right to fight back. :cwink:

You call fighting back against a single candidate and her campaign who said something stereotyping a whole group of people because of their career choice?

[Marx]

Where did I question their intelligence? I've seen articles with female, Hillary supporters in Ohio trying to scare voters by referring to his middle name, I've heard interviews with people that think he's a Muslim, etc. This does NOT mean they are stupid. This means they are IGNORANT. There is a huge difference, so stop putting words in my mouth. Matt did it and now you just did it.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth Firebird, I'm just saying not to generalize my entire state by the select few that say the things you described. That's all.

[redfirebird2008]

Come on Red......you are only weakening ANY opinion you have in this forum with comments like this.....don't slam a group of people, in order to make your candidate look stronger.................as the kids in my classroom would say......don't hold up the ignorant sign, it only calls attention to you.

Meh. I've been antagonized by people in this forum as being part of a cult because I'm a college-aged supporter of Obama's. I have a right to fight back, even if I am being a jackass in the process. :oldrazz:

[redfirebird2008]

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth Firebird, I'm just saying not to generalize my entire state by the select few that say the things you described. That's all.

I'm not. Ohio is generally a smart state from what I have seen. Y'all screwed up the last time around by picking Bush, but at least it was close whereas down here the state absolutely loves Bush. :csad:

[Kelly]

Meh. I've been antagonized by people in this forum as being part of a cult because I'm a college-aged supporter of Obama's. I have a right to fight back, even if I am being a jackass in the process. :oldrazz:


People have actually said, that you are part of a cult because you are following Obama? Hmmmmm.... missed that........and yes, you have the right to be ignorant and an ass......:cwink: all at the same time......:applaud even.....but neither makes your opinion any stronger.

[Excel]

Clintons got ohio in the bag, she always has. Whats the surprise?

[redfirebird2008]

People have actually said, that you are part of a cult because you are following Obama? Hmmmmm.... missed that........and yes, you have the right to be ignorant and an ass......:cwink: all at the same time......:applaud even.....but neither makes your opinion any stronger.

I'm not the ignorant one.

Meanwhile, Hillary up 60-38 right now. Kickin' ass. :woot:

[Matt]

Clinton 60 to 38 in Ohio with 1 % reporting. Still very early.

[redfirebird2008]

People have actually said, that you are part of a cult because you are following Obama? Hmmmmm.... missed that........and yes, you have the right to be ignorant and an ass......:cwink: all at the same time......:applaud even.....but neither makes your opinion any stronger.

Yes, they have said that. I've seen it pretty often in these forums and pretty much every other forum I've discussed this in. Lots of stereotyping going on towards Obama's supporters.

[Marx]

Clinton 60 to 38 in Ohio with 1 % reporting. Still very early.

Extremely early. That's still under a percent. Sandusky and other parts up North have been extended.

[Malice]

Its getting closer how has everyone done so far...
Remember, no politics here (no discussing politics) just how you did

[Excel]

its actually 56%-42% (2,029-1,526)

[redfirebird2008]

If she wins by 22 that will be a HUGE win for her. That's the kind of win she needs.

[Excel]

If she wins by 22 that will be a HUGE win for her. That's the kind of win she needs.

shes not winning by 22%, i dunno why it shows that number.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OH

Note: Cali was reported as competitve too though Obama started off down big. A clinton win around 52-45-46 seems in order.

[souvlaki]

If she wins by 22 that will be a HUGE win for her. That's the kind of win she needs.

Never gonna happen. The gap closed to 14% in like under a minute.

[Kelly]

I'm not the ignorant one.

Meanwhile, Hillary up 60-38 right now. Kickin' ass. :woot:


Exactly.....and I agree, you aren't........so why do what others are doing simply to........."take up for yourself"?

[Kelly]

Yes, they have said that. I've seen it pretty often in these forums and pretty much every other forum I've discussed this in. Lots of stereotyping going on towards Obama's supporters.


I would really like to see some posts stating that..........

[hippie_hunter]

shes not winning by 22%, i dunno why it shows that number.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OH

Note: Cali was reported as competitve too though Obama started off down big. A clinton win around 52-45-46 seems in order.

She was refering to when it was 60 - 38, not the current numbers.

[Malice]

the lines here for democrats are HUGE

[Excel]

Appearently several counties ran out of ballots :wow:

[souvlaki]

Anyone remember when Edwards was up by like 20% in Iowa, and Obama was in a distant third? Yeah, good times.

[Marx]

the lines here for democrats are HUGE

Is there anymore information on the vote stealing going on in Houston?

[Excel]

question...say these stolen votes were traced backed to either campaign...what would the consequences be?

[Marx]

MSNBC is suggesting that Hillary is "running the board" here in Ohio.

[Excel]

Obama leads the texas primary 58-41

[Matt]

According to CNN even if Clinton or Obama win every state by 10 % margins from this point, they will not win the nomination. This is coming down to backroom brokering. How very hypocritical after the 2000 election debacle.

[souvlaki]

Okay, I'm wondering if this was a mistake on CNN's part, but did anyone see the 59% to 41% for Obama in the Texas primary?

[Matt]

Obama leads the texas primary 58-41

With zero percent of the precincts reporting. State the facts, Excel.

[Excel]

With zero percent of the precincts reporting. State the facts, Excel.

I would think thats obvious...

[Marx]

Okay, I'm wondering if this was a mistake on CNN's part, but did anyone see the 59% to 41% for Obama in the Texas primary?

I just saw that too, I'm also wondering.

[Excel]

Okay, I'm wondering if this was a mistake on CNN's part, but did anyone see the 59% to 41% for Obama in the Texas primary?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

polls for it close at 7 right?

[hippie_hunter]

Obama leads the texas primary 58-41

That lead is soooooooo going shrink. The polls in Texas aren't even closed.

[souvlaki]

Okay, another question. If somehow, miraculously, the margins in Ohio and Texas hold up, and Obama wins by a sizable margin in Texas, and Clinton wins by a sizable margin in Ohio... where do they go from there?

[Kelly]

question...say these stolen votes were traced backed to either campaign...what would the consequences be?

I have no idea.....there was a group going door to door in some elderly black neighborhoods........they said they were helping them fill out their voter registration cards so that they wouldn't have to leave their homes.

When they got to their precinct to vote, it showed that they had already voted.....

[Matt]

The numbers are right but it is only one % of the votes and CNN does not know what district the votes are coming from.

[Marx]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

polls for it close at 7 right?

CNN doesn't know where that number is coming from, but as was stated earlier in this threa, Texas closes at different times depending on region.

[Excel]

That lead is soooooooo going shrink. The polls in Texas aren't even closed.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

still 0%, but now its 61-39. How many friggin people voted where 250,000 people is 0%??

[souvlaki]

Could it be possible those are the absentee ballots?

[hippie_hunter]

On CNN.com they show a map on certain counties that explain the number. Obama's doing well in two counties next to Austin and Dallas. Clinton however is slaughtering him though in the rural areas that have some votes reported.

[Marx]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

still 0%, but now its 61-39. How many friggin people voted where 250,000 people is 0%??

That's what I want to know, where the heck is that number coming from!??!?!

[Kelly]

The numbers are right but it is only one % of the votes and CNN does not know what district the votes are coming from.

Central Time Zone which is the majority of Texas is closed.....Mountain Time Zone closes in 45 minutes, and is a low voting area.........BUT a high Hispanic voting area......

[Marx]

Central Time Zone which is the majority of Texas is closed.....Mountain Time Zone closes in 45 minutes, and is a low voting area.........BUT a high Hispanic voting area......

Thanks Kel!!!

[Excel]

Hillarys pulling away in Ohio.

[souvlaki]

Hillarys pulling away in Ohio.

er... with 0% reporting. Don't get too excited.

[Marx]

er... with 0% reporting. Don't get too excited.

It is looking good though for Clinton, both here in Ohio, and in Texas.

[Sebastos]

We have a long way to go.

[Marx]

We have a long way to go.

That's an understatement Iron :cwink:

[Excel]

It is looking good though for Clinton, both here in Ohio, and in Texas.

Shes down in Texas by 13%...

[Sebastos]

That's an understatement Iron :cwink:

Pssh we do ok. :o Anything can change.

[Marx]

Shes down in Texas by 13%...

Parts of the state haven't even closed their polls yet. (Including where the majority of the hispanic vote are located.) San Antonio hasn't reported yet either.

[souvlaki]

Parts of the state haven't even closed their polls yet. (Including where the majority of the hispanic vote are located.) San Antonio hasn't reported yet either.

Well, the same can definitely be said in Ohio as well. Really, none of these numbers are going to hold up.

[hippie_hunter]

Parts of the state haven't even closed their polls yet. (Including where the majority of the hispanic vote are located.) San Antonio hasn't reported yet either.

Actually Clinton is currently leading 9% in San Antonio

[Marx]

Well, the same can definitely be said in Ohio as well. Really, none of these numbers are going to hold up.

That's true Souv, but the areas in Ohio aren't as large as those in Texas.

[souvlaki]

Final results on Early Voting in TX :

Obama 56.33%
Clinton 41.84%

Clinton may be screwed in Texas. Early voting accounts for close to 60% of the vote.

[Marx]

Actually Clinton is currently leading 9% in San Antonio

I didn't know that, thanks for the update Hippie. It's hard to keep up with all these numbers! :funny:

[Sebastos]

Final results on Early Voting in TX :

Obama 56.33%
Clinton 41.84%

Clinton may be screwed in Texas. Early voting accounts for close to 60% of the vote.

Vamos Obama!

[hippie_hunter]

Obama's now leading Texas by 9%

Obama: 54%
Clinton: 45%

[Excel]

Geez, Ohio sure is taking their sweet ass time :o

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain has won Rhode Island and Texas. CNN projects he is now the official Republican nominee.

[Marx]

Geez, Ohio sure is taking their sweet ass time :o

That's how we do things here in Ohio :funny:

[hippie_hunter]

Anyone have anything to say about the Republican race now officially being over?

[Marx]

Anyone have anything to say about the Republican race now officially being over?

Mike Huckabee has finally lost! :applaud

[Sebastos]

Anyone have anything to say about the Republican race now officially being over?

*crickets* :o

....Well, I kind of knew Huckabee would lose.

[Darkly Dexter]

Vamos Obama!


Vamos carajo! :oldrazz:

I had the feeling he would win.

[hippie_hunter]

Vamos carajo! :oldrazz:

I had the feeling he would win.

What? :huh:

[Sebastos]

Vamos carajo! :oldrazz:

I had the feeling he would win.

He hasn't really won yet.

[Darkly Dexter]

He will, he will (at least in Texas)

[kal-el2006]

this must be the 50 superdelagate brokaw was talkin bout earlier on msnbc..what do u guys think?



The superdelegate scramble

Mike Allen and I have a story up now on the other contest going on tonight:

A behind-the-scenes battle broke out late Tuesday over superdelegates who had secretly committed to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), with Clinton campaign officials scrambling to “freeze” them before they announced support for him.

The battle reflects the trench warfare that both campaigns expect if the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination stretches on to the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

Democratic officials involved in the conversations said Obama was lining up a package of superdelegates — the party insiders whose votes help select the Democratic nominee — with plans to announce their support as a bloc.

Obama also plans to announce he raised more than $50 million in February, considerably more than Clinton’s $35 million.

The Obama theory was that the separate announcements would convey juggernaut-like momentum if Obama had big wins on Tuesday, and would help turn the page if he had a disappointing showing in the Texas or Ohio primaries.

But aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) became convinced by network exit polls and her own data that she would have a stronger-than-expected showing. So they immediately began urging Obama’s prospective superdelegates to withhold their support.

An Obama aide said: "Despite last-minute Clinton pranks, the rumor they're floating about a massive superdelegate rollout tomorrow is not true."

One Democratic lawmaker described “pushback” from the Clinton campaign but did not elaborate.

A senior Clinton aide said her supporters were scrambling to "freeze" members of Congress on the verge of announcing for Obama, and said a good night for Clinton would be key to forestalling the move.

The Obama campaign had an extensive “whip” organization set up to track and woo these officials, including members of Congress.

“We’ll wake up tomorrow and we’ll see where folks are,” an Obama aide said. “We have new support every single day.”


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/The_superdelegate_scramble.html#comments

[hippie_hunter]

I wouldn't bet on that just yet. He no longer leads by double digits and it continues to shrink and only 2% of the vote is in.

[Marx]

I wouldn't bet on that just yet. He no longer leads by double digits and it continues to shrink and only 2% of the vote is in.

Agreed http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Sebastos]

He will, he will (at least in Texas)

We'll see, we'll see. I'm certainly keeping my fingers crossed.

[The Senator]

Vamos carajo! :oldrazz:

I had the feeling he would win.

And Dewey defeated Truman...

:oldrazz:

[Marx]

Huckabee is getting a little choked up about finally losing. Is he that dilluded to actually think that he really had a chance to win being 800 points behind???

[Matt]

I think he is posturing for VP.

[Sebastos]

Seriously, lol.

[Marx]

I think he is posturing for VP.

God help us all!

[Marx]

Seriously, lol.

Seriously. Turn on MSNBC or CNN.

[Matt]

Sarah Palin of Alaska for McCain VP. VILF! :cwink:

[Marx]

CNN projects that Hillary Clinton has won Rhode Island.

[The Senator]

Sarah Palin of Alaska for McCain VP. VILF! :cwink:

Yuck.

[Kelly]

Anyone have anything to say about the Republican race now officially being over?


Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the hell he's saying in his speech...

1. I was a voice for the single mom, the blue collar worker.....blah...blah...blah......what? Wait.....the other 3 are saying that as well....

2. It was your hard work that kept me in this race?????? what???? He hasn't BEEN in the race since Super Tuesday.....???????


He spoke for Right Wing Conservative Christians........oh yeah, and Fair Tax.........damn he's stubborn.....:cwink:

If he ends up the VP candidacy.......McCain is an idiot....

[Marx]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the hell he's saying in his speech...

1. I was a voice for the single mom, the blue collar worker.....blah...blah...blah......what? Wait.....the other 3 are saying that as well....

2. It was your hard work that kept me in this race?????? what???? He hasn't BEEN in the race since Super Tuesday.....???????


He spoke for Right Wing Conservative Christians........oh yeah, and Fair Tax.........damn he's stubborn.....:cwink:

Not to mention competely dillusional and self-absorbed.

[Sebastos]

Seriously. Turn on MSNBC or CNN.

No, I know, my response was to you saying that Huckabee actually thought he could win.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama's lead in Texas continue's to shrink:

Obama: 53%
Clinton: 46%

3% of the vote in

[Marx]

No, I know, my response was to you saying that Huckabee actually thought he could win.

He's nuts.

[Excel]

Obamas Texas lead is slowly slipping...

Mike Huckabee has finally lost! :applaud

few :applaud

[Sebastos]

Obama's lead in Texas continue's to shrink:

Obama: 53%
Clinton: 46%

3% of the vote in

Noooo. I'm still being optomistic. :cmad:

[Marx]

Obama's lead in Texas continue's to shrink:

Obama: 52%
Clinton: 47%

6% of the vote in

[Kelly]

Let me say this about McCain and his wife.........


At least when they kiss it doesn't look like they are "trying" to look like they love each other...............it is very natural.

[Marx]

Obama's lead still shrinking in Texas:

Obama: 51%
Clinton: 48%

7% reporting

[Marx]

Let me say this about McCain and his wife.........


At least when they kiss it doesn't look like they are "trying" to look like they love each other...............it is very natural.

I will give them that much, but McCain's age and condition concerns me.

[Sebastos]

Let me say this about McCain and his wife.........


At least when they kiss it doesn't look like they are "trying" to look like they love each other...............it is very natural.

I can't stand McCain on my tv screen. :o

[Green Goblin 1964]

****! :cmad:

[terry78]

I will give them that much, but McCain's age and condition concerns me.

Whoever is veep with him is literally a heartbeat away.

[Kelly]

I will give them that much, but McCain's age and condition concerns me.


I'm not sure about his condition, haven't really seen anything to bother me.........but age is always something to think about......wasn't a problem for Reagan in his first 4 years, but I think in his last 2 it was a problem.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm surprised that Clinton's lead in Ohio so far has been rather consistent.

[Marx]

I can't stand McCain on my tv screen. :o

I just can't stand to listen to him. It is so obvious that he is reading from a teleprompter 10 feet above crowd level. And let's not forget this -

"My friends...my friends...we can do this my friends...we can do that my friends...my friends...my friends...my friends!"

*Proceeds to bang head against the wall*

[Sebastos]

I just can't stand to listen to him. It is so obvious that he is reading from a teleprompter 10 feet above crowd level. And let's not forget this -

"My friends...my friends...we can do this my friends...we can do that my friends...my friends...my friends...my friends!"

*Proceeds to bang head against the wall*

Right on. I just change the channel. :o

[Matt]

I'm surprised that Clinton's lead in Ohio so far has been rather consistent.

She is up by 18 % with 25 % reporting. I'm really not that suprised. The second the exit poll said blue collar workers were supporting her, I knew she was going to win big. I grew up in the area and I can tell you this, if you want to win Ohio, they are the ones you have to appease.

Meanwhile, Clinton grows closer and closer in Texas.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I just can't stand to listen to him. It is so obvious that he is reading from a teleprompter 10 feet above crowd level. And let's not forget this -

"My friends...my friends...we can do this my friends...we can do that my friends...my friends...my friends...my friends!"

*Proceeds to bang head against the wall*
LOL:woot:

[terry78]

The only reason I would hope McCain wins is because the satirical opportunities are staggering.

[hippie_hunter]

It looks like Clinton will be having a good night after all. She'll most likely win Ohio by a rather good margin (that NAFTA thing seemed to hurt Obama a lot there), the race in Texas is close, she broke Obama's momentum, and she'll probably get some good momentum from this.

[Marx]

It looks like Clinton will be having a good night after all. She'll most likely win Ohio by a rather good margin (that NAFTA thing seemed to hurt Obama a lot there), the race in Texas is close, she broke Obama's momentum, and she'll probably get some good momentum from this.

The NAFTA deal really hit home with all of the blue collar workers.

[hippie_hunter]

Thinking about it, I never thought that the Republicans would have settled the race far, far sooner than the Democrats. And I thought that McCain was as good as done.

[Marx]

Obama's lead in Texas still dwindling:

Obama: 50%
Clinton: 48%

11% reporting

[hippie_hunter]

Wow...Obama's lead shrunk from over 40,000 votes to less than 30,000 in about 5 minutes.

[Sebastos]

Obama's lead in Texas still dwindling:

Obama: 50%
Clinton: 48%

11% reporting

Wow.

[hippie_hunter]

Okay, Obama's underperformed in the Toledo and Cleveland areas, can they just call Ohio for Clinton already :o

[Marx]

Clinton holding her lead in Ohio

Clinton: 57%
Obama: 41%

34% reporting in

[Kelly]

Clinton just won one of the largest Precinct Caucas' in Houston....

Also, something to remember......many of the large Hispanic districts are in the Mountain time zones......so it may be awhile before Texas is known .....

She is getting the Hispanic vote so far, and that may eeeek her out in the end in Texas......we shall see.

[hippie_hunter]

I think Obama will win the Texas caucus. They seem to be Obama's specialty.

[Marx]

Clinton just won one of the largest Precinct Caucas' in Houston....

Also, something to remember......many of the large Hispanic districts are in the Mountain time zones......so it may be awhile before Texas is known .....

She is getting the Hispanic vote so far, and that may eeeek her out in the end in Texas......we shall see.

Do you live in Texas Kel? You're very up to speed :yay:

[hippie_hunter]

Obama's lead in Texas has dwindled to 23,000 votes.

[Marx]

According to CNN - 61% of Undecided Texas Democrats who decided in the last three days voted for Hillary Clinton.

[StorminNorman]

If Clinton keeps most of her lead in Ohio - and if she can win Texas, we may have a battle on our hands.

She will probably have an Ohio sized victory in Pennsylvania, the DNC will almost have their hand forced in redoing Michigan and Florida.

If Clinton can take Michigan and Florida after Texas, Ohio and Penn - it will be very hard for the Super Delegates to tell her no.

[hippie_hunter]

And Obama has only had a 7% lead with Republicans and a 6% lead with independents.

[StorminNorman]

According to CNN - 61% of Undecided Democrats who decided in the last three days voted for Hillary Clinton.

Damning for Obama.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton has an 11% lead with white voters.

[Kelly]

Do you live in Texas Kel? You're very up to speed :yay:

Yep...

[Excel]

Obama's lead in Texas has dwindled to 23,000 votes.

Fox is saying Dallas, Austin, and Houston all have yet to report. Areas that Obamas favored to win heavly.

Can someone explain this to me? How do you win Texas? Say Hillary barely wins the primary, but Barack heavliy wins the caucus. Do you simply add up the votes and whoever has most wins?

The story seems to be that Obama startedoff to a huge lead thanks to eary votes which he won by 75,000. Now polls and **** show that Hillary will win the primary by 1-2%...now to the caucus, where Obama typically owns. Ifhe wins thta by 10-15%, than who wins Texas?

[hippie_hunter]

And Obama's lead has shrunk to less than 20,000 votes in the primary.

[Marx]

According to CNN - Texas Latino voters up (30%)while Texas African-American voters down (18%).

[Kelly]

According to CNN - 61% of Undecided Texas Democrats who decided in the last three days voted for Hillary Clinton.

If she had campaigned in the other states like she has here in the last 2 days.....she would already have the Democratic nomination......I was wondering where she was in Texas and then BAM......and she was everywhere....

[rdh007]

I just don't think I can bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton in November. I think I'm going to not vote or write in Al Gore.