This is down right sad...

[SoulManX]

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=103693

CBS: Melissa Barton says Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo had her son's classmates say what they didn't like about 5-year-old Alex. She says the teacher then had the students vote, and voted Alex, who is being evaluated for Asperger's syndrome -- an autism spectrum disorder -- out of the class by a 14-2 margin.

[NiteMare Shape]

:csad:..........:wow:..........:cmad:


And that's all I have to say about that

[Mr. Credible]

my step-brother has asperger's... he's very, very annoying, and at times downright intolerable, but i know it's not his fault, so i try to just deal with it whenever i have to see him.

[Mr. Credible]

and i disagree wholeheartedly with what the teacher and the class did to this girl, but we don't know the whole story... she could have been very disruptive to the class, and maybe she needed to be in a special needs class.

that said, the teacher should have known to handle the situation better.

[Odin's Lapdog]

This is ******** sensitivity

the children's vote didn't mean anything and it seems that there were other children also going up and having the same thing said about them

it sounds like they were playing a game and because her son isn't popular, she's gone to the press...

ugh..

you can tell this mom is on the edge, she just compared a primary school teacher to a world wide terrorist organisation on national tv. Jesus...

[Joker]

my step-brother has asperger's... he's very, very annoying, and at times downright intolerable, but i know it's not his fault, so i try to just deal with it whenever i have to see him.

You know...knowing that autism like this is genetic...it explains quite a bit about you.

[Alex The Great]

:wow:.................:csad:...................:cm ad:.............................:huh::cmad:


that is just.....ugh.....

[Mr. Credible]

You know...knowing that autism like this is genetic...it explains quite a bit about you.

you're a douche-nozzle... you really are.

and i said step-brother... as in not related. as in if you're going to talk trash unprovoked, at least pay attention and do it right.

[Alex The Great]

yeah Joker that was kinda un called for....

and he's right...he said STEP BROTHER!

[kainedamo]

EDIT: No I'm not.

[Hotwire]

This is ******** sensitivity

the children's vote didn't mean anything and it seems that there were other children also going up and having the same thing said about them

it sounds like they were playing a game and because her son isn't popular, she's gone to the press...

ugh..

you can tell this mom is on the edge, she just compared a primary school teacher to a world wide terrorist organisation on national tv. Jesus...
Even so, this is not something that should be done by a teacher. Having the students in a KINDERGARTEN class vote each other out fo the class??? And then when the kid is hurt by this to have the cruel nature to tell him that the people in the office don't want him there either?? If it were my child, this teacher would have already been beat to hell by both me and by wife. I would have gone to the principal, the school board, the press, anyone I could think of to get that woman fired and barred from teaching ever again.

[fu manchu]

i didn't know you could be voted out of class.

but that would suck to be called out in front of your class and have everyone tell you what they want they don't like about you. teachers should prevent this from happening not encourage it.


you can tell this mom is on the edge, she just compared a primary school teacher to a world wide terrorist organisation on national tv. Jesus...
i believe she was going to say that even that the terrorist organization was against this teacher's action. why she even mentioned that, i don't even know.

[Joker]

you're a douche-nozzle... you really are.

and i said step-brother... as in not related. as in if you're going to talk trash unprovoked, at least pay attention and do it right.

Ah, so you have no excuse for your personality and behavior over on the misc. films forum then. Too bad, I would have laid off you a bit :o

[bullets]

They need to vote this teacher out of the school .

[BlackLantern]

Social Darwinism anyone??

[November Rain]

Even so, this is not something that should be done by a teacher. Having the students in a KINDERGARTEN class vote each other out fo the class??? And then when the kid is hurt by this to have the cruel nature to tell him that the people in the office don't want him there either?? If it were my child, this teacher would have already been beat to hell by both me and by wife. I would have gone to the principal, the school board, the press, anyone I could think of to get that woman fired and barred from teaching ever again.
Meh, if american idol or beauty pagents can have parents put kids up in talent competitions and lose on a voting system, then it's acceptable to see the opinions of your peers.

The kids opinion doesn't count, they are five year olds, they gain and lose friends all the time, it's hardly reflective of anything. His best friend sold him out, he should get used to it.

Looking at the big picture, the kid wasn't isolated or didn't leave the class. He was ultimately judged by his peers which probabaly happens everyday of his life in the playground. The teacher probably heard the kids being twofaced so wanted to clear it up to him face to face.

perhaps slightly insensitive but no one is hurt by the ordeal, it's another case of parents overreacting to their child's welfare.

[November Rain]

i didn't know you could be voted out of class.
but that would suck to be called out in front of your class and have everyone tell you what they want they don't like about you. teachers should prevent this from happening not encourage it.

It really does sound like they were playing some kinda talent show and he got voted out.

but he never left the class or was isolated from teaching.

if the teacher had actually placed him outside, then fair enough but it sounds like they were doing some play stuff and he wasn't excluded for being unliked or different.

[BlackLantern]

I wish my peers only voted me out....I've still got scars from my peers version of "casting someone out"

[jaguarr]

Even so, this is not something that should be done by a teacher. Having the students in a KINDERGARTEN class vote each other out fo the class??? And then when the kid is hurt by this to have the cruel nature to tell him that the people in the office don't want him there either?? If it were my child, this teacher would have already been beat to hell by both me and by wife. I would have gone to the principal, the school board, the press, anyone I could think of to get that woman fired and barred from teaching ever again.

:up:

jag

[BlackLantern]

Even so, this is not something that should be done by a teacher. Having the students in a KINDERGARTEN class vote each other out fo the class??? And then when the kid is hurt by this to have the cruel nature to tell him that the people in the office don't want him there either?? If it were my child, this teacher would have already been beat to hell by both me and by wife. I would have gone to the principal, the school board, the press, anyone I could think of to get that woman fired and barred from teaching ever again.

So voting is bad, but physical violence is OK??? Am I missing something?

[Themanofbat]

TSoB has Asperger's syndrome... and he'll be grading the 4th grade this year, and it certainly has NOT been an easy ride, mostly due to ignorance from certain teachers, and dumb-ass kids raised by even dumber-assed parents...

He has his moments, but he tries really hard, but in the ME generation where nobody gives a ^%# about anybody else any more, it is hardly surprising that I read comments like Odin's?

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:

[jaguarr]

So voting is bad, but physical violence is OK??? Am I missing something?

We took a vote and you're dead to all of us now, so don't be expecting a reply any time soon. :up:

jag

[BlackLantern]

/Sarcasm....lots of sarcasm....sorry if I offended the parentals in here....its messed up and the teacher should be disciplned....not physically though

[moraldeficiency]

So voting is bad, but physical violence is OK??? Am I missing something?

Expect your beating presently.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

"Asperger's" is bull****.
What are symptoms?




* Not pick up on social cues and lack inborn social skills, such as being able to read others' body language, start or maintain a conversation, and take turns talking.

* Dislike any changes in routines.

* Appear to lack empathy.

* Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent that alter the meaning of others’ speech. Thus, your child may not understand a joke or may take a sarcastic comment literally. Likewise, his or her speech may be flat and difficult to understand because it lacks tone, pitch, and accent.

* Have a formal style of speaking that is advanced for his or her age. For example, the child may use the term "beckon" instead of "call," or "return" instead of "come back."

* Avoid eye contact.

* Have unusual facial expressions or postures.

* Be preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as doing intricate jigsaw puzzles, designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or astronomy.

* Talk a lot, usually about a favorite subject. One-sided conversations are common. Internal thoughts are often verbalized.

* Have delayed motor development. Your child may be late in learning to use a fork or spoon, ride a bike, or catch a ball. He or she may have an awkward walk. Handwriting is often poor.

* Have heightened sensitivity and become overstimulated by loud noises, lights, or strong tastes or textures. For more information about these symptoms, see sensory integration dysfunction.





Yeah. Th^t's called a NERD, or a Dork...a clueless Dork.
Everyone can't be charismatic, intuitive, perceptive, together, cool and graceful.
:whatever:

[Drakon]

Even so, this is not something that should be done by a teacher. Having the students in a KINDERGARTEN class vote each other out fo the class??? And then when the kid is hurt by this to have the cruel nature to tell him that the people in the office don't want him there either?? If it were my child, this teacher would have already been beat to hell by both me and by wife. I would have gone to the principal, the school board, the press, anyone I could think of to get that woman fired and barred from teaching ever again.

It's one thing to be be disliked amongst peers, but when someone you look up to dislikes you, well, it's crushing. That'd be like Stan Lee telling most of us to go play in traffic. And at that age, it's really hard to process those kinds of feelings. That's why people wait til the kids are older to explain things like divorce and pregnancy to kids--they just don't understand, and they process the information differently. I know kids who've come home from school crying because their classmates didn't like them--hell, I had that happen to me as a kid because I was different [scrawny white cripple in a predominantly black area, I kinda stuck out]. But at least my family and adults around me showed me respect and love, which is NOT what this "teacher" did. She belittled the child, and this could have a more permanent effect on the kid than she realizes.

[BlackLantern]

I think things get overdiagnosed in this country though....part of me believes that ADD gets thrown around because doctors don't want to tell parents their kids are just plain stupid or ****ed up...

I understand every parent wants to believe their kid is smart or special, but it doesn't work that way

[Figs]

"Asperger's" is bull****.
What are symptoms?




* Not pick up on social cues and lack inborn social skills, such as being able to read others' body language, start or maintain a conversation, and take turns talking.

* Dislike any changes in routines.

* Appear to lack empathy.

* Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent that alter the meaning of others’ speech. Thus, your child may not understand a joke or may take a sarcastic comment literally. Likewise, his or her speech may be flat and difficult to understand because it lacks tone, pitch, and accent.

* Have a formal style of speaking that is advanced for his or her age. For example, the child may use the term "beckon" instead of "call," or "return" instead of "come back."

* Avoid eye contact.

* Have unusual facial expressions or postures.

* Be preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as doing intricate jigsaw puzzles, designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or astronomy.

* Talk a lot, usually about a favorite subject. One-sided conversations are common. Internal thoughts are often verbalized.

* Have delayed motor development. Your child may be late in learning to use a fork or spoon, ride a bike, or catch a ball. He or she may have an awkward walk. Handwriting is often poor.

* Have heightened sensitivity and become overstimulated by loud noises, lights, or strong tastes or textures. For more information about these symptoms, see sensory integration dysfunction.





Yeah. Th^t's called a NERD, or a Dork...a clueless Dork.
Everyone can't be charismatic, intuitive, perceptive, together, cool and graceful.
:whatever:


LOL. I'm a Nerd/Asperger. :woot:

Not all but most of those traits fit me.

I guess that's why I'm so miserable in life too.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think things get overdiagnosed in this country though....part of me believes that ADD gets thrown around because doctors don't want to tell parents their kids are just plain stupid or ****ed up...

I understand every parent wants to believe their kid is smart or special, but it doesn't work that way

I have seen kids who were simply spoiled, the product of poor parenting skills...and they end up on 8 medications, taking medications to counteract the horrible side effects of the other medications, and they end up with terrible, and permanent tics and other painful side effects.....thanks to this "A.D.D." bull****.

It's a disaster.

[The Geek Vault]

I feel like the kid seems to be quite a hassle, watching him in the interview it seems liek the mom doesn't have a lot of control over him. Also as for the kids voting this is a common phychological experiment. Everytime I see something I wonder how the media has twisted it.

[The Geek Vault]

After watching this video I definitly feel like this was an psychological experiment that the child misinterperted...

[jaguarr]

I have seen kids who were simply spoiled, the product of poor parenting skills...and they end up on 8 medications, taking medications to counteract the horrible side effects of the other medications, and they end up with terrible, and permanent tics and other painful side effects.....thanks to this "A.D.D." bull****.

It's a disaster.

Now this I agree with. The feminist a-holes that have taken over our schools are way too quick to dole out drugs for any kid that doesn't fit their idea of what a perfect child should be like. This is ESPECIALLY true for any little boy who does not behave like a well-mannered little girl in class. This is one thing any teacher dares suggest to me about my son better be prepared for a psychological beating over because I will be intent on traumatizing them for even suggesting it.

jag

[BlackLantern]

Now this I agree with. The feminist a-holes that have taken over our schools are way too quick to dole out drugs for any kid that doesn't fit their idea of what a perfect child should be like. This is ESPECIALLY true for any little boy who does not behave like a well-mannered little girl in class. This is one thing any teacher dares suggest to me about my son better be prepared for a psychological beating over because I will be intent on traumatizing them for even suggesting it.

jag

hmmm....interesting point....I think the disconnect comes from perfect little girls, the applied thinking is "Why can't boys behave the same way??"

[Wilhelm-Scream]

*jag post*
amen

[jaguarr]

hmmm....interesting point....I think the disconnect comes from perfect little girls, the applied thinking is "Why can't boys behave the same way??"

It absolutely does. My cousin is a teacher and she regularly has arguments with her colleagues because they are intent on making the little boys sit and be quiet and pay attention in class like the girls do. Any "little boy" behavior is targeted by these types of teachers and responded to with negativity and punishment while behaving more like the "little girls" in the class is rewarded. It's gender engineering and modification as far as I'm concerned, and I do not welcome it. Do it with your own kids if you want, but not mine. Little boys act differently from little girls because they ARE different. It is LAZY teaching and parenting to try and make them behave like little girls; if you aren't smart enough or talented enough to hold the interest of the boys in your class so that they learn, then perhaps you are in the wrong profession.

jag

[turtlefocker]

It's one thing to be be disliked amongst peers, but when someone you look up to dislikes you, well, it's crushing. That'd be like Stan Lee telling most of us to go play in traffic. And at that age, it's really hard to process those kinds of feelings. That's why people wait til the kids are older to explain things like divorce and pregnancy to kids--they just don't understand, and they process the information differently. I know kids who've come home from school crying because their classmates didn't like them--hell, I had that happen to me as a kid because I was different [scrawny white cripple in a predominantly black area, I kinda stuck out]. But at least my family and adults around me showed me respect and love, which is NOT what this "teacher" did. She belittled the child, and this could have a more permanent effect on the kid than she realizes.

Exactly.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I seriously think a large fine is in order and she should be suspended from teaching for a period of time.

I'm also against this "medication is the answer" mentality that ****ty parents seem to have.

[The Geek Vault]

Now this I agree with. The feminist a-holes that have taken over our schools are way too quick to dole out drugs for any kid that doesn't fit their idea of what a perfect child should be like. This is ESPECIALLY true for any little boy who does not behave like a well-mannered little girl in class. This is one thing any teacher dares suggest to me about my son better be prepared for a psychological beating over because I will be intent on traumatizing them for even suggesting it.

jagFunny story, a buddy of mine when he was young was diagnosed with "ADD"
and put on pills, he hated it, they didn't help and they made him stay up all night.
so one night he goes to his mom and says "Mommy, do you make me take the pills so that you can make me perfect and you can love me again?"
Needless to say she immediatly took him off the pills. He grew up off the walls because he was alwyas thinking of new things and amazing things. Recently he quit school, it was never for him and he now is in the army. also it's funny I have "ADD" becuase my mom said I'd get distracted and not pay attention to her, in reality it wasn't that I got distracted... it's that she's annoying as ****.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Ah, so you have no excuse for your personality and behavior over on the misc. films forum then. Too bad, I would have laid off you a bit :o

Uncalled for. Seriously. :down

[IRON_Lad]

That's one ****ed up teacher. And yeah Joker that was uncalled for.

[jaguarr]

Funny story, a buddy of mine when he was young was diagnosed with "ADD"
and put on pills, he hated it, they didn't help and they made him stay up all night.
so one night he goes to his mom and says "Mommy, do you make me take the pills so that you can make me perfect and you can love me again?"
Needless to say she immediatly took him off the pills. He grew up off the walls because he was alwyas thinking of new things and amazing things. Recently he quit school, it was never for him and he now is in the army. also it's funny I have "ADD" becuase my mom said I'd get distracted and not pay attention to her, in reality it wasn't that I got distracted... it's that she's annoying as ****.

DHA, a natural derivative of oils from cold-water fish and certain planktons, has been clinically proven to naturally help balance out kids and people who have ADD. Has other added benefits such as being good for the heart and proper hormonal development as well. It straightened my nephew right out when his teachers were wanting to dope him up on Ritalin. Drugs are not necessary for a lot of the crap they try and give them to people for.

jag

[Themanofbat]

"Asperger's" is bull****.
What are symptoms?




* Not pick up on social cues and lack inborn social skills, such as being able to read others' body language, start or maintain a conversation, and take turns talking.

* Dislike any changes in routines.

* Appear to lack empathy.

* Be unable to recognize subtle differences in speech tone, pitch, and accent that alter the meaning of others’ speech. Thus, your child may not understand a joke or may take a sarcastic comment literally. Likewise, his or her speech may be flat and difficult to understand because it lacks tone, pitch, and accent.

* Have a formal style of speaking that is advanced for his or her age. For example, the child may use the term "beckon" instead of "call," or "return" instead of "come back."

* Avoid eye contact.

* Have unusual facial expressions or postures.

* Be preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as doing intricate jigsaw puzzles, designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or astronomy.

* Talk a lot, usually about a favorite subject. One-sided conversations are common. Internal thoughts are often verbalized.

* Have delayed motor development. Your child may be late in learning to use a fork or spoon, ride a bike, or catch a ball. He or she may have an awkward walk. Handwriting is often poor.

* Have heightened sensitivity and become overstimulated by loud noises, lights, or strong tastes or textures. For more information about these symptoms, see sensory integration dysfunction.





Yeah. Th^t's called a NERD, or a Dork...a clueless Dork.
Everyone can't be charismatic, intuitive, perceptive, together, cool and graceful.
:whatever:

Hey Willie...

That's your opinion, and I'm cool with that, but you really don't know...

You can add to that list the uncontrolable incessant hand flapping and the constant whispering of everything that's being said to the child, and I can tell you that it's just a bit more than simply being the social outcast.

By the above definition, I should be considered an Asperger kid... but I'm not... I was just a nerd/dork. And TSoB is a good kid, and shows lots of promise, and by no means is he perfect... he's going on 10 and he's a total sci-fi/comic geek, and I'm very proud of that... he's walking the path least travelled... but there ARE certain psychological aspects that are wrong, and maybe it's something else, but for the time being, it's considered to be Asperger's, and it's very ignorant for you to tell me that my kid is otherwise.

I have seen kids who were simply spoiled, the product of poor parenting skills...and they end up on 8 medications, taking medications to counteract the horrible side effects of the other medications, and they end up with terrible, and permanent tics and other painful side effects.....thanks to this "A.D.D." bull****.

It's a disaster.

Now this I agree with. The feminist a-holes that have taken over our schools are way too quick to dole out drugs for any kid that doesn't fit their idea of what a perfect child should be like. This is ESPECIALLY true for any little boy who does not behave like a well-mannered little girl in class. This is one thing any teacher dares suggest to me about my son better be prepared for a psychological beating over because I will be intent on traumatizing them for even suggesting it.

jag

I'm not going to disagree with either with you... becaused most parents today are too ^&#%ing lazy to properly raise their kids... TSoB's mom is in that barrel as she finds it easier to drug my son rather than taking other proven methods to dealing with kids with Asperger's/Autism... such as basic ABA. It pains me to think that my kid is drugged while I know that with effort, he can be molded into being a capable person that's not drugged related. But it's easier to give a crocodile a root canal than to have a conversation with TSoB's mom...

:csad:

[turtlefocker]

Hey Willie...

That's your opinion, and I'm cool with that, but you really don't know...

You can add to that list the uncontrolable incessant hand flapping and the constant whispering of everything that's being said to the child, and I can tell you that it's just a bit more than simply being the social outcast.

By the above definition, I should be considered an Asperger kid... but I'm not... I was just a nerd/dork. And TSoB is a good kid, and shows lots of promise, and by no means is he perfect... he's going on 10 and he's a total sci-fi/comic geek, and I'm very proud of that... he's walking the path least travelled... but there ARE certain psychological aspects that are wrong, and maybe it's something else, but for the time being, it's considered to be Asperger's, and it's very ignorant for you to tell me that my kid is otherwise.





I'm not going to disagree with either with you... becaused most parents today are too ^&#%ing lazy to properly raise their kids... TSoB's mom is in that barrel as she finds it easier to drug my son rather than taking other proven methods to dealing with kids with Asperger's/Autism... such as basic ABA. It pains me to think that my kid is drugged while I know that with effort, he can be molded into being a capable person that's not drugged related. But it's easier to give a crocodile a root canal than to have a conversation with TSoB's mom...

:csad:

As the child's father you have equal say... go to ****ing court if need to...

[Themanofbat]

As the child's father you have equal say... go to ****ing court if need to...

I have... and I lose because I'm "just" the father, and I live in a very conservative part of the world that still believes that moms make the "better" parents :whatever:...

And I still talk to social services people, lawyers, etc... and all it's done over the last 5 years is cost me over $20 000 and all that I got for it was frustration.

I've gone to court, and if I want to go again, there's a 3 year waiting period for a court date... so please don't belittle me for not knowing what to do nor doing nothing...

You have NO $^&*ING IDEA what I have gone through...

Mike

[The Evolutionist]

A guy in my sriptwriting class winter quarter had Asperger's, and it seriously hindered his learning process. He was a pretty cool guy until it got to critique's and then he just shut down. To put a kindergarten kid with Asperger's through that is absolutely inhumane.

[Drakon]

I don't think he was belittling you, Tee-mob. He was just pointing out that you have options.

[November Rain]

YOu know if this was a little more than a social experiment, then the school would have definitely taken action.

fact of the matter is, the kid wasn't excluded and took a early knock of confidence when his peers didn't approve of him. 5 year olds say things to each other all the time. I also remember how fickle i was when i was a kid, I would have slaughtered my parents for extra dinner, why should the opinion of a 5 year old matter anyway.

the mom should be telling her kid to man up and that the views of children don't matter and he is loved and cared for and should just try to learn as much as possible and have fun.

I remember having to be picked for games in school and being picked last because i was too rough or not playing at all, such is the way of kindergarten.

[November Rain]

He has his moments, but he tries really hard, but in the ME generation where nobody gives a ^%# about anybody else any more, it is hardly surprising that I read comments like Odin's?

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:
I'm sorry but I was brought up by Nigerian parents with Nigerian points of view. If I came home complaining about such a trivial thing, I'd probably get slapped for being soft. The term Aspergers doesn't even exist in Nigeria.

So I apologise if I've read between teh lines and decided the case isn't as large as you think or even as bad as terrorists like the mother does. Really when a mother makes those sorts of comparisons, it's hard to justify her concerns as rational, especially considering how her child was acting during the interview.

[Themanofbat]

I'm sorry but I was brought up by Nigerian parents with Nigerian points of view. If I came home complaining about such a trivial thing, I'd probably get slapped for being soft. The term Aspergers doesn't even exist in Nigeria.

So I apologise if I've read between teh lines and decided the case isn't as large as you think or even as bad as terrorists like the mother does. Really when a mother makes those sorts of comparisons, it's hard to justify her concerns as rational, especially considering how her child was acting during the interview.


No worries... you didn't say anything too harsh, but Willie basically said that Asperger's was nothing more than a social outcast and he's WRONG! (imagine that :wow: )

And I'm not really all that concerned about the rants of a pissed off Mom... she's an American getting her 15 minutes of fame... should we expect anything less? :whatever:

Cheers...

Mike

:yay:

[Monster]

I don't think anyone should subject anyone to that kind of indency.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

No worries... you didn't say anything too harsh, but Willie basically said that Asperger's was nothing more than a social outcast and he's WRONG! (imagine that :wow: )That's not what I said at all.
You aren't born a social outcast. That's society's response to you.
I'm saying that it's silly that being a socially awkward geek is now a "syndrome"...right down to the very thing that so many awkward geeks have in common, the obsessive focus on one hobby or interest. Please. :whatever:

Lerpy Weirdos, have always used weird gestures, suffered from embarrassing tics and habits, been obsessive about narrow topics, just seemed "off" in the lack of empathy and people-reading abilities dep't.
This "syndrome" didn't just start last tuesday.
It's always been around. Only people called them, "weird".

Now, there is a proven genetic difference between people who love the taste of cilantro and people who can't stand it.
Are people who want to puke when they detect cilantro in their fish taco, "afflicted" with a "syndrome" ?

Of course it is to do with the brain function...just like, two guys might be born with superb eye/hand coordination while Oswald is a total klutz.
If I'm bad at P.E., if I can never get the ball into the basket, how far are we, really, from calling that a "disorder of the nervous system".

But I really believe the seeming rash of Asperger cases, like the sudden "explosion" of cases of kids with "A.D.D.", really comes down to this idea that vain parents don't want to admit, "Yeah, our kid is a ****ing misfit freak. :huh:", so, now it's a "disorder"....it's "not his fault".

Well guess what, it's not anyone's fault.
No one says, "You know, I'd like to be an idiot today! :) I'm going to be bad at math, and foolish. :)"

People are born just plain dumb, or bad at math, or with big noses, an extra sweat gland, a genetic predisposition toward having bad skin, girls go bald, men have tiny baby-*****, or 3 foot long monster-*****...some are just whiny bastards from birth despite their parents efforts, some have atrocious parents but grow up to be noble, responsible, pleasant people.



Of course some people really share these specific kinds of traits, and it is something going on in the brain, but it's always been the case.

There have always been child molesters, and really violent people, and soft-spoken people, and brainy people, and people who crack their knuckles and people who don't.

But this attempt to try and turn anything that doesn't fit in to society's ideal model for perfection as a "disease", where we should pity the poor person who is so "afflicted" with this "disorder"...and always excuse them, "Oh, Billy has Asperger's.", "OH....I see, okay."
It's stupid.

[The Lizard]

Self-diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome has become an internet joke/cliche in recent years.

I believe it exists in some people, perhaps as a form of mild Autism, but I'm amused by the number of internet nerds on Youtube, the chan boards, DeviantArt and other bastions of online dorkiness that seek to blame their obsessive, self-indulgent quirks on Asperger's.

[michephantom]

Th
Lerpy Weirdos, have always used weird gestures, suffered from embarrassing tics and habits, been obsessive about narrow topics, just seemed "off" in the lack of empathy and people-reading abilities dep't.
This "syndrome" didn't just start last tuesday.
It's always been around. Only people called them, "weird".
It's stupid.

Usually when people understand why a person acts such a way, there is less discrimination. Consider the stroke survivor standing in line at the gorcery store. He struggles to say something very important but can't because his language abilities were damaged. The people waiting behind him would say "Stupid dumb$%^&, why can't he go to the store for dumb^%&?" Maybe if they understood that he went through the trauma of a stroke and had to spend months in therapy to progress that far, they'd be more understanding. I'd rather have the label of a person with tourrettes or aspergers than to be some "weirdo freak".

Also, the main reason today that people are diagnosed is so that they can recieve help. Someone with aspergers can recieve language therapy to help deal with their social language issues. The can learn techniques to help them in the real world, rather than just stumbling around as a "freak". A person with Tourrettes can get medicene that will help relieve the tics, instead of going through live as "that weird twitchy guy."

The point of diagnosing someone with ADD should be TO HELP them, to teach them how to focus on important things and learn social skills. Drugs should be a final option, not the only option.

-a budding speech language therapist-

[Nakon]

Down right shocking.

[jaguarr]

Down right shocking.

Why it's downright disgustingly and needlessly post-count increasing! :wow:

:hehe:

jag

[michephantom]

Any "little boy" behavior is targeted by these types of teachers and responded to with negativity and punishment while behaving more like the "little girls" in the class is rewarded.

You know, when working at a daycare, I noticed that girls can be little demons. I know quite a few little girls who don't listen and run around and get a lot of time outs. Where the hell did this idea come from that girls behave better?

[jaguarr]

You know, when working at a daycare, I noticed that girls can be little demons. I know quite a few little girls who don't listen and run around and get a lot of time outs. Where the hell did this idea come from that girls behave better?

I think it's because little girls are sneakier and more devious about it than little boys, to be honest. I have four nieces and three nephews and without exception the girls are far more sneaky about their mischief and malevolence than the boys are. They hide it well and figure out how to do it in a way that they don't get caught or when they think no one is watching. When they're in a more formal setting like a classroom, that carries over and they appear to be paying attention when in reality they're passing notes or texting each other or anything BUT paying attention (my cousin who is a teacher has observed this as well).

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

To Lizard - Yes,
"I don't really get along with people and at parties I sit in the corner, and when my mom's dog died I didn't care and I'd rather go on and on about Buffy the Vampire Slayer than listen to you. I'm sO Aspergered. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/thinlove.gif"

To michephantom - Great. We can all fit into the lowest common denominator's cookie cutter ideal for how to look and how to behave, eliminating all interesting, quirky, weird, goofy, funny, bizarre, one-of-a-kind, crazy, unusual loveable losers and people who live in their own heads and don't fall into lock-step with what all the shiny, smiling Aryans, movers and shakers and frat boy jocks and air-headed cheerleaders are doing this month.

I don't want to live in your world without freaks...and if ADD/Asperger's are disorders, then, like everything is...as I said, there ARE naturally klutzy people who will just never do well at sports despite how much they practice.

Is that a "disorder" that must be cured?
Is being gay a disorder that must be cured? Their lives would be so much easier if they were straight. They'd fit in so much better.
How about people who pick their noses, or compulsively chew on their nails?
Zap that gene!
Get rid of Mike Tyson's lisp...teach Eartha Kitt to open up the lower registers of her voice, Barbara Streisand, get a nose job, Jennifer Lopez, firm up that fat ass...you're the victim of Lopez Syndrome....

[Themanofbat]

Self-diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome has become an internet joke/cliche in recent years.

I believe it exists in some people, perhaps as a form of mild Autism, but I'm amused by the number of internet nerds on Youtube, the chan boards, DeviantArt and other bastions of online dorkiness that seek to blame their obsessive, self-indulgent quirks on Asperger's.

I'm not here to argue with neither you nor Willie, as I really agree with both of your general statements...

Heck, I should have been the poster child for Asperger's... :csad:

But your comment above did make me think about TSoB, and the reasons I got a tad defensive with Willie to begin with...

When TSoB was first diagnosed, he was basically diagnosed with autism, a mild form of it, and there was the term "high-functioning" that was labelled for him... which is what I called it until everybody else (including his doctor's) started using the catch phrase "Asperger's"...

So whether this Alex Barton kid is an asperg weirdo or a high-functioning autistic kid, who knows? But nonetheless, he shouldn't have been pointed out like that for simply being weird. I'm sure Ms. Portillo wouldn't have liked to have been pointed out in a room full of white teachers because she's black and then have all the honkies tell her why they don't like her... :whatever:

You'd think that she would know better...

:csad:

[DBella]

To Lizard - Yes,
"I don't really get along with people and at parties I sit in the corner, and when my mom's dog died I didn't care and I'd rather go on and on about Buffy the Vampire Slayer than listen to you. I'm sO Aspergered. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/thinlove.gif"

To michephantom - Great. We can all fit into the lowest common denominator's cookie cutter ideal for how to look and how to behave, eliminating all interesting, quirky, weird, goofy, funny, bizarre, one-of-a-kind, crazy, unusual loveable losers and people who live in their own heads and don't fall into lock-step with what all the shiny, smiling Aryans, movers and shakers and frat boy jocks and air-headed cheerleaders are doing this month.

I don't want to live in your world without freaks...and if ADD/Asperger's are disorders, then, like everything is...as I said, there ARE naturally klutzy people who will just never do well at sports despite how much they practice.

Is that a "disorder" that must be cured?
Is being gay a disorder that must be cured? Their lives would be so much easier if they were straight. They'd fit in so much better.
How about people who pick their noses, or compulsively chew on their nails?
Zap that gene!
Get rid of Mike Tyson's lisp...teach Eartha Kitt to open up the lower registers of her voice, Barbara Streisand, get a nose job, Jennifer Lopez, firm up that fat ass...you're the victim of Lopez Syndrome....
There are actually people out there who believe that homosexuality is a disorder and they are trying to find a 'cure' for it. I thought that was ridiculous and so out of order. People are trying to diagnose and find cures for any kind of behavior that they deem... out of order or behavior that doesn't fit the standards of our society. Standards change all the time. What was deemed 'weird' will one day become the norm and what is the norm now will one day be deemed wrong just because people will always find something to object to. If enough people object to that 'something', it will be seen as 'out of order' and therefore must be diagnosed and cured.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But nonetheless, he shouldn't have been pointed out like that for simply being weird.
Yeah, I haven't even read the actual story which is the topic of the thread. :o
Teacher did something bad? Cruel? Damaging to a child?
Shocker

[The Lizard]

Here's a YouTube vid by a typical self-diagnosed "Aspie"...

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I don't expect anyone to actually sit through the whole thing, but stick around until the 1:45 to 2:15 point, where she reads off a website that states that as an Aspie, she has an advanced vocabulary and hyper-intelligence (despite her previously struggling with Roman numerals and basic medical acronyms, apparently).

So, yeah -- if you think you're smarter than everyone around you, are socially awkward and obsessed with some fanboy, pop-culture hobby, it's all because of that darn Asperger's. If anyone suggests otherwise, you can remain secure in the smug knowledge that they just don't understand your disease.

[DBella]

Back to the topic of the thread:

Does the teacher and students know that Alex has Asperger's syndrome? Do 5-year-old kids even know what that is? All they know is, probably, that he's 'not nice' and them voting him out had nothing to do with his 'disorder' but with his behavior. However, if the teacher did know, she could've tried to explain that to Alex's classmates. Even if she did, I doubt the little 'uns would've understood her explanation and would've most likely voted him out simply because they didn't like his behavior.

[The Lizard]

When TSoB was first diagnosed, he was basically diagnosed with autism, a mild form of it, and there was the term "high-functioning" that was labelled for him... which is what I called it until everybody else (including his doctor's) started using the catch phrase "Asperger's"...

So whether this Alex Barton kid is an asperg weirdo or a high-functioning autistic kid, who knows? But nonetheless, he shouldn't have been pointed out like that for simply being weird. I'm sure Ms. Portillo wouldn't have liked to have been pointed out in a room full of white teachers because she's black and then have all the honkies tell her why they don't like her... :whatever:

You'd think that she would know better...

:csad:

Agreed. That teacher screwed up.


And please don't take my mocking of the online Asperger's phenomena as a slam against your son. Little kids don't seek attention or care about excusing their behavior in the same ways teens and adults do. Autism is definitely real and observable in children at various levels.

[DBella]

So whether this Alex Barton kid is an asperg weirdo or a high-functioning autistic kid, who knows? But nonetheless, he shouldn't have been pointed out like that for simply being weird. I'm sure Ms. Portillo wouldn't have liked to have been pointed out in a room full of white teachers because she's black and then have all the honkies tell her why they don't like her... :whatever:

You'd think that she would know better...

:csad:
That statement I can agree with if that's what she did. (I didn't read the whole article but the part that was quoted in the first post) I thought she was doing some sort of social experiment with the entire class and not just Alex alone and that she didn't know of his condition.
But still, asking 5-year-olds what they don't like about their classmates?

[michephantom]

To michephantom - Great. We can all fit into the lowest common denominator's cookie cutter ideal for how to look and how to behave, eliminating all interesting, quirky, weird, goofy, funny, bizarre, one-of-a-kind, crazy, unusual loveable losers and people who live in their own heads and don't fall into lock-step with what all the shiny, smiling Aryans, movers and shakers and frat boy jocks and air-headed cheerleaders are doing this month.

Elimination? YOU are talking about elimination. I'M talking about help. It's fine and normal to be different, but when you can't deal with tasks of everyday life... someone with aspergers is more than a clumsy nerd. It's someone who can't succeed in school because he can't understand the teacher or the assisgnments due to hidden social cues. Should we just laugh good-naturedly at a smart kid who flunks out, or help him? Often people with aspergers have trouble finding places, have a poor sense of direction. A person with aspergers might lose job after job because the social aspects of the job are too much for him. Some might even have problems with daily life, like taking care of themselves. But that's okay, let them be what they are. They can be an obsessive daydreamer as long as they can still take care of themselves.


Is being gay a disorder that must be cured? ....
So, you're comparing homosexuality to aspergers? It's getting easier and easier for someone to live a perfect life with homosexuality. Does being gay get in the way of learning? Not directly. Does being gay make it hard for you to get and keep a job? Not unless the employer is discriminatory, and then you can sue their butt.

Unless you know firsthand some of the stuff that a person with aspergers or autism (a real diagnosis by someone who knows what they're doing) goes through, you really don't know.

[Superhobo]

That's not what I said at all.
You aren't born a social outcast. That's society's response to you.
I'm saying that it's silly that being a socially awkward geek is now a "syndrome"...right down to the very thing that so many awkward geeks have in common, the obsessive focus on one hobby or interest. Please. :whatever:

Lerpy Weirdos, have always used weird gestures, suffered from embarrassing tics and habits, been obsessive about narrow topics, just seemed "off" in the lack of empathy and people-reading abilities dep't.
This "syndrome" didn't just start last tuesday.
It's always been around. Only people called them, "weird".

Now, there is a proven genetic difference between people who love the taste of cilantro and people who can't stand it.
Are people who want to puke when they detect cilantro in their fish taco, "afflicted" with a "syndrome" ?

Of course it is to do with the brain function...just like, two guys might be born with superb eye/hand coordination while Oswald is a total klutz.
If I'm bad at P.E., if I can never get the ball into the basket, how far are we, really, from calling that a "disorder of the nervous system".

But I really believe the seeming rash of Asperger cases, like the sudden "explosion" of cases of kids with "A.D.D.", really comes down to this idea that vain parents don't want to admit, "Yeah, our kid is a ****ing misfit freak. :huh:", so, now it's a "disorder"....it's "not his fault".

Well guess what, it's not anyone's fault.
No one says, "You know, I'd like to be an idiot today! :) I'm going to be bad at math, and foolish. :)"

People are born just plain dumb, or bad at math, or with big noses, an extra sweat gland, a genetic predisposition toward having bad skin, girls go bald, men have tiny baby-*****, or 3 foot long monster-*****...some are just whiny bastards from birth despite their parents efforts, some have atrocious parents but grow up to be noble, responsible, pleasant people.



Of course some people really share these specific kinds of traits, and it is something going on in the brain, but it's always been the case.

There have always been child molesters, and really violent people, and soft-spoken people, and brainy people, and people who crack their knuckles and people who don't.

But this attempt to try and turn anything that doesn't fit in to society's ideal model for perfection as a "disease", where we should pity the poor person who is so "afflicted" with this "disorder"...and always excuse them, "Oh, Billy has Asperger's.", "OH....I see, okay."
It's stupid.


While it's true that there's been an odd fad of late, of self-diagnosing yourself as someone afflicted by "A.D.D.," or "Asperger's," I myself kind of agree with you, and at the same time find it offensive how you continue to try to downplay this as what you have. No one's asking for their pity to be given.

The same could be said of O.C.D., and any offshoot of that, by extension. But - friend - trust me, you don't know a third about it - it is a 'disorder,' as much maligned as that term seems to be by you. I can vouch for this, and I'm sure the same could be said of anyone who actually has any of the aforementioned.

Of course it's always been the case, and of course there will be people who try to pawn off their own social responsibility and couth by claiming to have whatever. There are people, annoying people out there, who, as an excuse for - well, think of something - will say something like, "Oh, I have O.C.D., heheheh." And, it's at these moments, when I hear these people, or they happen to be in earshot, that I wish I had something sharp in hand, so I could stab them repeatedly, in the ear.

That doesn't make it any less debilitating.

[pyromaniac]

I have... and I lose because I'm "just" the father, and I live in a very conservative part of the world that still believes that moms make the "better" parents :whatever:...

And I still talk to social services people, lawyers, etc... and all it's done over the last 5 years is cost me over $20 000 and all that I got for it was frustration.

I've gone to court, and if I want to go again, there's a 3 year waiting period for a court date... so please don't belittle me for not knowing what to do nor doing nothing...

You have NO $^&*ING IDEA what I have gone through...

Mike

Sorry about that. The court systems are definitely biased against fathers. You sound like you're divorced.

In any case, how about talking compromise? And showing evidence that drugs produce side effects and effects of side effects and whatnot?

Kind of amusing you refer to your significant others in relation to your online alias. Uncle of Bat, Cousin of Bat, Friend of Bat, etc.

Anyway, on topic: I am constantly impressed by the American way that permeates these boards. I feel like the people are a product of their environment. I mean, just look at the sociolinguistics of New York on that Overheard in New York site.

And I have always noticed that for instance, if you bump into someone on the American streets, as portrayed in the media, they usually say, watch out, or the obscene equivalent.

Here, we usually say sorry. Actually, we say sorry all the time. It's differences like these that makes for some fascinating study.

[Themanofbat]

Sorry about that. The court systems are definitely biased against fathers. You sound like you're divorced.

In any case, how about talking compromise? And showing evidence that drugs produce side effects and effects of side effects and whatnot?

Kind of amusing you refer to your significant others in relation to your online alias. Uncle of Bat, Cousin of Bat, Friend of Bat, etc.

His mother and I were never married, though I am now to a wonderful woman. And yes, I'm constantly getting screwed by an old conservative styled system that favours the mothers.

And I can't talk to her about anything... she gives me a hard time on EVERYTHING and the only time I can get my own way os if I agree with her on something... it's very frustrating.

And TheSonofBat (my son) has that as his user name, he created it back in May of 2003 when he was 4 years old... his posts were quite cute at the time... and my new wife has TheWifeof Bat as her user name, though she doesn't use it very much...

:yay:

[Drakon]

EDIT--beat me to it, Mike.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Elimination? YOU are talking about elimination. I'M talking about help. It's fine and normal to be different, but when you can't deal with tasks of everyday life... someone with aspergers is more than a clumsy nerd. It's someone who can't succeed in school because he can't understand the teacher or the assisgnments due to hidden social cues.Nonsense.

Asperger's is characterized by difficulties in social interaction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interaction) and by restricted, stereotyped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypy) interests and activities. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, motor clumsiness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_skills_disorder) and atypical use of language are frequently reported.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#cite_note-McPartland-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#cite_note-Baskin-1)

THAT, is a socially awkward, clumsy dork.
Furthermore...

AS is distinguished from the other ASDs in having no general delay in language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_delay) or cognitive development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_development).

[CieloAzul]

Lol, they cut off his mic.

Anywho, yeah its sad that he had to stand in front of the class and everyone said what they didn't like about him. I refuse to believe that a kindergarten teacher can be so cruel, therefore I think there are holes in this story. Being a mother, and sister/cousin to a million little ones, I know that getting a straight story out of a 5 year old is next to impossible.

He wasn't actually kicked out of class, and maybe his feelings were hurt, but I don't think it should recieve national media coverage. Its obvious that it is because it seems as if a teacher directed the class to do wrong to a child with a disability, because of his disability.

[pyromaniac]

His mother and I were never married, though I am now to a wonderful woman. And yes, I'm constantly getting screwed by an old conservative styled system that favours the mothers.

And I can't talk to her about anything... she gives me a hard time on EVERYTHING and the only time I can get my own way os if I agree with her on something... it's very frustrating.

And TheSonofBat (my son) has that as his user name, he created it back in May of 2003 when he was 4 years old... his posts were quite cute at the time... and my new wife has TheWifeof Bat as her user name, though she doesn't use it very much...

:yay:


Reverse psych her!

Yeah, I actually read that Son of Bat's thread, and it was cute too. My god, I was around even back then.

[BlackLantern]

This was improper...but I think more needs to be done in schools to ready kids for the cruelty of the real world...

[Figs]

I have... and I lose because I'm "just" the father, and I live in a very conservative part of the world that still believes that moms make the "better" parents :whatever:...

And I still talk to social services people, lawyers, etc... and all it's done over the last 5 years is cost me over $20 000 and all that I got for it was frustration.

I've gone to court, and if I want to go again, there's a 3 year waiting period for a court date... so please don't belittle me for not knowing what to do nor doing nothing...

You have NO $^&*ING IDEA what I have gone through...

Mike


I don't know firsthand what you've gone through but my gf's brother, a friend of mine and my boss are all in their early 30's. They all have the same problem.

I know this is off topic but, a lot of judges needed to be given the boot and we need to get some younger judges who aren't relics of the past in our courts.

Most of these old bastard judges who are siding with the female are close minded as all hell and still think the females are always the victims.

The three people I listed that are going through that same thing are all getting the **** end of the stick simply because they're the males. While all three of the females are a bunch of alcohol/drug using immature ****s.

It's pathetic and I feel for ya Themanofbat.

As for Aspergers, I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I agree with Wilhelm that it's just super sensitive people trying to dumb our culture and way of life down again by making something small and normal(there have always been dorks, and there will always be dorks)into something more than it really is...it's the crybaby mentality.

But on the other hand it could be a real problem/disorder that has a lot of similarities to dork/anti-social behavior, which would make it hard to distinguish.

[michephantom]

Quote:
Asperger's is characterized by difficulties in social interaction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interaction) and by restricted, stereotyped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypy) interests and activities. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, motor clumsiness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_skills_disorder) and atypical use of language are frequently reported.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#cite_note-McPartland-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#cite_note-Baskin-1)
THAT, is a socially awkward, clumsy dork.
Furthermore...

Quote:
AS is distinguished from the other ASDs in having no general delay in language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_delay) or cognitive development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_development).
[b]
A stereotyped interest could be a fascination with train schedules, locks, something narrow. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, Some great thinkers may have have had aspergers which caused them to be experts in some fields, but it's not the same as being really into comic books or video games. Plus, how many "geeks" will keep on talking about the same thing over and over without any pause for the other speaker, or paying any attention to the speaker's responses? A lot of people today consider themselves a geek, but they still can interact normally. How many people need to learn how to greet others or initiate conversations?

Rodger S. Ireland S. Vun M. Can Cognitive Orientation to daily Occupational Performance (CO-OP) help children with Asperger's syndrome to master social and organisational goals? [Journal Article, Research, Tables/Charts] British Journal of Occupational Therapy. 2008 Jan; 71(1): 23-32. (29 ref)

"Cognitive Orientation to daily Occupational Performance (CO-OP) is a cognitive problem-solving approach that has recently been used with children with Asperger's syndrome (AS) to achieve motor-based goals. Children with AS have a marked impairment in social interaction, which is pervasive and continues across the lifespan. Many of these children also experience organisational difficulties. "

Plus, a visit to wrongplanet.com, a website for people with autism, discusses many things that aspies have problems with, like driving, navigation, whatever.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I experience organizational difficulties. :whatever:
I don't know anyone who doesn't.
Some are better at it than others.

The point is, you're trying to lump "Asperger's" in as if it's tantamount to severe autism.
My best friend worked with autistic kids for several years.
They would bite people till they drew blood.
They would take a dump in their pants, reach in, grab the feces, and hurl it at your face.

That's a "disorder".

The thing, by DEFINITION, that supposedly sets AS apart, is that they AREN'T suffering any severely debilitating speech and learning difficulties.
They're just weird dorks who don't fit in. They're not really cool or smooth and parents want to say, "Ah, thank God! It's not her fault. She has a disease!"
:o

[BlackLantern]

Taking a dump and throwing it around?....sounds like a good time....

[Themanofbat]

I experience organizational difficulties. :whatever:
I don't know anyone who doesn't.
Some are better at it than others.

The point is, you're trying to lump "Asperger's" in as if it's tantamount to severe autism.
My best friend worked with autistic kids for several years.
They would bite people till they drew blood.
They would take a dump in their pants, reach in, grab the feces, and hurl it at your face.

That's a "disorder".

The thing, by DEFINITION, that supposedly sets AS apart, is that they AREN'T suffering any severely debilitating speech and learning difficulties.
They're just weird dorks who don't fit in. They're not really cool or smooth and parents want to say, "Ah, thank God! It's not her fault. She has a disease!"
:o

I was talking to a social worker today, and kidded with her about how ALL of us have Asperger's and she laughed and agreed.

Asperger's is NOT severe autism... it is autism in it's mildest form; hence the original term "high functioning autistism"...

I'd rather use that term than this made up one that gives everybody on the planet an excuse for why their lives are so sad & pathetic.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:yay:

[BlackLantern]

I was talking to a social worker today, and kidded with her about how ALL of us have Asperger's and she laughed and agreed.

Asperger's is NOT severe autism... it is autism in it's mildest form; hence the original term "high functioning autistism"...

I'd rather use that term than this made up one that gives everybody on the planet an excuse for why their lives are so sad & pathetic.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:yay:

Maybe if doctors started telling people that, things would straighten out...We are turning into a society of people who coddle those who can't cut it...."O it's not you, there is something wrong with you and thats' why you failed HS 3 times"....not "Listhen here dumbass, you going to end up working at Target if you don't pull your head out of your butt and start studying instead of smoking weed after school"

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I was talking to a social worker today, and kidded with her about how ALL of us have Asperger's and she laughed and agreed.

I was surprised to learn that it's named after Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, failed to demonstrate empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.

Why is it such a hot fad right now? :huh:

And why would you think that there wouldn't be multiple cases of dorky kids who don't fit in, lack nonverbal skills, lack empathy AND are clumsy.


It's like the flipside of saying:

"OMG! You know, I work with teenagers...and I think I've DISCOVERED something. :eek:
I have observed over the years...certain kids who all share some traits.
They are usually witty, highly intelligent, physically attractive, have very good coordination, and they seem to be exceptionally..."likeable".

It must be some strange neuro-syndrome!"


:whatever:

[Themanofbat]

And please don't take my mocking of the online Asperger's phenomena as a slam against your son. Little kids don't seek attention or care about excusing their behavior in the same ways teens and adults do. Autism is definitely real and observable in children at various levels.

No sweat. :yay:

EDIT--beat me to it, Mike.

You love me. :yay:

I don't know firsthand what you've gone through but my gf's brother, a friend of mine and my boss are all in their early 30's. They all have the same problem.

I know this is off topic but, a lot of judges needed to be given the boot and we need to get some younger judges who aren't relics of the past in our courts.

Most of these old bastard judges who are siding with the female are close minded as all hell and still think the females are always the victims.

The three people I listed that are going through that same thing are all getting the **** end of the stick simply because they're the males. While all three of the females are a bunch of alcohol/drug using immature ****s.

It's pathetic and I feel for ya Themanofbat.

Thanks... nice to know I'm not alone. :csad:

[Themanofbat]

I was surprised to learn that it's named after Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, failed to demonstrate empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.

Why is it such a hot fad right now? :huh:

And why would you think that there wouldn't be multiple cases of dorky kids who don't fit in, lack nonverbal skills, lack empathy AND are clumsy.


It's like the flipside of saying:

"OMG! You know, I work with teenagers...and I think I've DISCOVERED something. :eek:
I have observed over the years...certain kids who all share some traits.
They are usually witty, highly intelligent, physically attractive, have very good coordination, and they seem to be exceptionally..."likeable".

It must be some strange neuro-syndrome!"

:whatever:

The whole autism thing is the US is really crazy... they don't even teach autism in medical schools (I have no reference to this... merely hearsay), yet they say that 1 in 165 kids get diagnosed with some form of autism, which are epidemic levels.

I somehow doubt that figure includes all the geeknoid self-diagnosed retards... and I mean that last term in a playground sense.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[michephantom]

I experience organizational difficulties.

If you do experience problems, you try to overcome them, right? You try to become a better person, right? Which is what every person should do.


The point is, you're trying to lump "Asperger's" in as if it's tantamount to severe autism.
My best friend worked with autistic kids for several years.
They would bite people till they drew blood.
They would take a dump in their pants, reach in, grab the feces, and hurl it at your face.

That's a "disorder".

The thing, by DEFINITION, that supposedly sets AS apart, is that they AREN'T suffering any severely debilitating speech and learning difficulties.
They're just weird dorks who don't fit in. They're not really cool or smooth and parents want to say, "Ah, thank God! It's not her fault. She has a disease!"
:o

WHEN have i said "aspergers syndrome is like severe autism?"!! It's as different as OCD from schizophrenia. I'm just trying to prove that AS exists. Of course, people have argued over things like this for years, the ethics and philosophy of labels. I'm getting tired of argueing, because you are coming from a different place, and that's that.

I Do know severe autism. I interned at a school for autism for a semester and I also babysat for a kid with autism for several year. I remember the first year I started watching him, this ten-year-old ran out of the bathroom without his diaper, climbed on top of a 7-foot wardrobe, and started defacating on top of it (memories...). No, I don't believethat's like having aspergers. From working at the school, I met parents and heard about kids with aspergers who had to be placed at special schools. There may be mild cases of aspergers (which shouldn't be considered anything) and then there are cases where kids need special placements. In adults, I think it's harder to diagnose aspergers, because many have learned how to deal with their problems (kinda like add, which you probably don't believe in either).

And many parents are scared of labels to the point of completely ignoring the obvious, which can be very sad and frustrating to teachers.

[michephantom]

The whole autism thing is the US is really crazy... they don't even teach autism in medical schools (I have no reference to this... merely hearsay),

Where did you hear this? It's hard to believe, but then again, I've heard stories where a parent complains that her 3-year-old child doesn't speak, and the doctor says," Oh, she'll grow out of it."

Idiot doctors.

[xwolverine2]

thats why they normally dont put those kids in the same classroom.

[Themanofbat]

Where did you hear this? It's hard to believe, but then again, I've heard stories where a parent complains that her 3-year-old child doesn't speak, and the doctor says," Oh, she'll grow out of it."

Idiot doctors.

I think it was one of those Larry King Live Specials about autism... I think Bill Cosby was one of the guest speakers...

The kids being diagnosed with some type of autistic behavior in the US is beyond epidemic levels (around 1 in 165 kids... and 1 in 94 when it comes to boys)...

It's crazy...

:csad:

[Themanofbat]

Am I going to hell for laughing at this?

Yes.

:yay:

[bullets]

There should be classes on how to fake autism , so we can act that way in hopes the chinese don't kill us when they take over america.

[Themanofbat]

There should be classes on how to fake autism , so we can act that way in hopes the chinese don't kill us when they take over america.

Just be yourself...

:yay:

[LazloSpeeker]

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=103693

CBS: Melissa Barton says Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo had her son's classmates say what they didn't like about 5-year-old Alex. She says the teacher then had the students vote, and voted Alex, who is being evaluated for Asperger's syndrome -- an autism spectrum disorder -- out of the class by a 14-2 margin.

Ugh, this makes me not want to have kids.

[rizzo51]

disability or none, i would be outraged if my kid came home and said they did something like that.

[Bubastis]

I have seen kids who were simply spoiled, the product of poor parenting skills...and they end up on 8 medications, taking medications to counteract the horrible side effects of the other medications, and they end up with terrible, and permanent tics and other painful side effects.....thanks to this "A.D.D." bull****.

It's a disaster.
Hmm. you seemed pretty informed on the subject. How many years of med school did you go to?

God, I cannot believe that a human being could do that to a 5-year old.

[Peter_Porker]

That's absolutely pathetic....makes me feel ill.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hmm. you seemed pretty informed on the subject. How many years of med school did you go to?An absurd question.
I've never been to medical school but have read and seen a ton on the subject studied and written about BY doctors, and also heard many case studies.

One of the most recent was the horrifying story by "Frontline" on PBS.
This was where I saw the kid who started off as mildly disruptive and unfocused in school, and ended up permanently brain damaged and suffering chronic pain and debilitating physical tics because of all of the medications and counter-medications his parents were encouraged to give him.

[Bubastis]

An absurd question.
I've never been to medical school but have read and seen a ton on the subject studied and written about BY doctors, and also heard many case studies.

One of the most recent was the horrifying story by "Frontline" on PBS.
This was where I saw the kid who started off as mildly disruptive and unfocused in school, and ended up permanently brain damaged and suffering chronic pain and debilitating physical tics because of all of the medications and counter-medications his parents were encouraged to give him.
So nobody who takes these medications are ever helped by it?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I see you are the type to go to ridiculous, emotional extremes instead of dealing with facts.

First you sarcastically suggest that no one can form an opinion on medical matters unless they are a trained physician themselves, completely ignoring all of the information that's available and all of the testimony of people who ARE trained physicians.

I heard that if you ingest alcohol, it can impair your judgment and make driving dangerous.
Are you going to dismiss that take on alcohol because I'm not a doctor?

Doctors have said that prenatal exposure to thalidomide can cause your baby to be born with little flippers instead of arms and legs.
Do you disbelieve that because I'm passing that info along?


Next, please show me where I said, "NO child has ever, EVER been helped by Ritalin."
That's silly.
Of COURSE people have been helped by it.

People have also been helped by cocaine, marijuana, L.S.D., maggots, whiskey, etc.

Does that mean that whenever you have trouble with someone's behavior, you should give them cocaine, marijuana, L.S.D., maggots and whiskey?

You do know that an unruly child who can't seem to sit still, shut the **** up and pay attention in school, would be extremely calmed and able to listen if you gave him a lobotomy, right?

We know of course that children can suffer from chemical imbalances and strange disorders of the brain.
And I said, also, very clearly, that I have seen children whose poor behavior was simply the result of bad parenting and a lack of discipline in the home, who are drugged to make them more manageable, and that is evil and wrong, though many parents don't realize how harmful it is because of their misguided trust in doctors who benefit from dispensing the latest harmful chemical like Pez candies on Halloween.

It is well known also that when a drug causes unacceptable side effects, rather than stopping use of the drug, they prescribe ANOTHER drug, that is supposed to make the side effects more manageable, and then THAT drug brings in a new side effect, and it continues, until you are watching an interview with teary-eyed parents who explain that before they realized what was happening, their child was flooded with 9, 10, or 11 drugs, that ****ed him up permanently........because he horsed around in school and got moody sometimes.


It's wrong.

[Metal Spidey]

Did the teacher know he had "special needs" or did the mother fail to mention that to the school? The way my local news told the story, he was just a bad kid, I never knew he had problems. Is the class a Special Ed class?

[Arthas]

:csad::wow::cmad:
May that Teacher and those kids burn in hell:cmad::cmad:

[LazloSpeeker]

:csad::wow::cmad:
May that Teacher and those kids burn in hell:cmad::cmad:
Agreed, not only did they ruin that kids life but they ruined my day for having to read that.

Burn baby burn.

[Captain Planet!]

I love assburgers.

[Carlynn Carnage]

Woah! Harsh!