Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo?

[Chris B]

Let's assume that Favreau decides to use another armored villain in IM2. In that scenario, which of Iron Man's two other signature armored villains would you want to see? I've always preferred the Titanium Man because of how personal Bulski's rivalry with Stark became for him.

[Chewy]

No more armored villains.

[Hypestyle]

both need to show up in some form.. fragments pieced together, stolen by Justin Hammer, sold to foreign powers..

[Raiden]

No more armored villains.

I disagree. I think IM should face off against more armored villains, esp. from those who stole his technological secrets (like in Armor War). It's more interesting than if he were to face off against a man with magical rings.

[Ironfan72]

More Armored villians, I would be one very happy guy if I could see Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man on the big screen, those two are my favorite villians.

[fu manchu]

none, bring in The Mandarin for IM2.

[Ironman24]

Give Crimson Dynamo, easily my favorite villian.

[kedrell]

How about armored villains who use their armor to different effect, like Ghost, Blizzard, etc?

[Armored Avenger]

I would like to see Crimson Dynamo used in a future Iron Man film, although not Iron Man 2. That film already has alot happening in it (The Mandarin, Demon in a Bottle, Thor and maybe War Machine). I would like to see Dynamo, and Titanium Man as well, used in the future in an "Armor Wars" style story.

[Cinemaman]

I wouldn't mind to see Crimson Dynamo as a subvillian in either second or third film. But I think its some details of origin should be changed (like all that stuff about Soviet Russia).

[Raiden]

I wouldn't mind to see Crimson Dynamo as a subvillian in either second or third film. But I think its some details of origin should be changed (like all that stuff about Soviet Russia).

Just like they changed the origin for Iron Monger, Crimson Dynamo's origin will probably be changed as well. Maybe Dynamo will be a suit developed by a Russia corporation that is a competitor of Stark Industries.

[Brian Braddock]

I voted for Titanium Man; if only for my recollection that traditionally, his armour was always more advanced than CD's - and therefore, more of a viable threat to IM.

Of course, I could be wrong - It's been years since I've read the original stories.

[Hypestyle]

who could play the men behind the masks? some capable character actors? i'm not sure if an A-list type would want to spend most of the time in the armor..

[Brian Braddock]

Don't ask me why (as I usually can't stand the guy) but I think James Spader would look good opposite RDJ's Tony Stark, not necessarilly as either TM or CD but as one of IM's rogues gallery certainly. I guess it's because he can play such a convincing a$$hole that I figure he'd make a good villain.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/spader.jpg

Failing that; Verne Troyer can play Titanium Man II (a.k.a. the Gremlin) :woot:

Now I'm gonna lie down and try and work out were this sudden and disturbing liking of Spader has come from..............

[Ironman24]

James Spader would make a decent Justin Hammer.

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, If they decided to have a younger Hammer.

He could be the financier to whatever bad-guy they decide to throw at IM.

[Venomfan]

i think Spader would make a wicked Ant-man

[Cinemaman]

Just like they changed the origin for Iron Monger, Crimson Dynamo's origin will probably be changed as well. Maybe Dynamo will be a suit developed by a Russia corporation that is a competitor of Stark Industries.

Exactly, that's a good idea.

[CaptainStacy]

No more armored villains. Been there done that. Bring on the Mandarin.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Agreed.

[Killing Joke926]

No more armored villains. Been there done that. Bring on the Mandarin.

Since this is more of a generic sort of movie and my guess Manadrin won't have like superpowers and that sort of thing, what if he could use either Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo as a pawn working for him? Ya know, sorta like in BatMan Begins on how Ra's Al Ghul has ScareCrow and Falcone; just a thought, but I'd think it'd be sorta cool. If anybody though, I'd probably choose Dynamo for the sake of political and more of a grounded Soviet Union terrorist sort of shpeel. :word: :im:

[Iron_Stark]

Since this is more of a generic sort of movie and my guess Manadrin won't have like superpowers and that sort of thing, what if he could use either Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo as a pawn working for him? Ya know, sorta like in BatMan Begins on how Ra's Al Ghul has ScareCrow and Falcone; just a thought, but I'd think it'd be sorta cool. If anybody though, I'd probably choose Dynamo for the sake of political and more of a grounded Soviet Union terrorist sort of shpeel. :word: :im:

That's how I always imagined how the triology would happen, IM2 introduce Mandarin and have one of his hired guns (CM or TM) battle Iron Man and the 3rd one IM vs Mandarin.

oh Waynes World! Party time! excellent!

[Killing Joke926]

That's how I always imagined how the triology would happen, IM2 introduce Mandarin and have one of his hired guns (CM or TM) battle Iron Man and the 3rd one IM vs Mandarin.

oh Waynes World! Party time! excellent!

Same here; and of course they gotta throw War Machine in the sequel top, so you can't get any cooler with 3 lethal tin men. And thanks man, PARTY ON IRON STARK!!!!! :grin: :word:

[Figs]

Mandarin.

Use him for the second film.

Save Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man for a possible third.

That way Iron Man can team up with War Machine by that point...bringing in War Machine for the second film is too soon.

[kedrell]

James Spader would be ok as a younger Hammer but I'd really like James Woods for that role. Just have a little cabal between Hammer and the Mandarin and throw in a secondary villain who works for Hammer and Mandy like SpyMaster, TM or CD. I will say that at some point in these movies I'd like to see Madame Masque show up and be what no supervillainess has been so far in superhero movies, a real central threat to the hero.

[Figs]

James Spader would be ok as a younger Hammer but I'd really like James Woods for that role. Just have a little cabal between Hammer and the Mandarin and throw in a secondary villain who works for Hammer and Mandy like SpyMaster, TM or CD. I will say that at some point in these movies I'd like to see Madame Masque show up and be what no supervillainess has been so far in superhero movies, a real central threat to the hero.


James Woods would be awesome!!

Sadly I really, really doubt he would ever do a comic film.

I remember around the time Spider-Man 2 was out he did an interview and had brought up superhero films as well as just regular big summer blockbusters.

He mentioned Willem Dafoe and I think Molina as well. Just saying how those roles don't do anything for a credible actor. They put them in the spotlight for that year or so and then your off the map.

He made some good points. I like your pick of James Woods but I don't think he'll ever do a comic film let alone a big summer blockbuster.

[Chris B]

I will say that at some point in these movies I'd like to see Madame Masque show up and be what no supervillainess has been so far in superhero movies, a real central threat to the hero.

I agree, if we get an IM3, then I would want her and Count Nefaria to be the villains there.

But to get back on topic, I would agree that the best way to handle a second armored villain would be to make him a minion of the Mandarin. Which may make the Crimson Dynamo a better candidate since they could go the Ultimates route and make him Chinese.

[Brian Braddock]

James Woods would be awesome!!

Sadly I really, really doubt he would ever do a comic film.

I remember around the time Spider-Man 2 was out he did an interview and had brought up superhero films as well as just regular big summer blockbusters.

He mentioned Willem Dafoe and I think Molina as well. Just saying how those roles don't do anything for a credible actor. They put them in the spotlight for that year or so and then your off the map.

He made some good points. I like your pick of James Woods but I don't think he'll ever do a comic film let alone a big summer blockbuster.


Funny thing is, I seem to remember Edward Norton saying almost exactly the same thing about 5 (or so) years ago when asked about appearing in the genre;

Never say Never.......................

[Ironfan72]

I would love to see Madam Masque show up, I agree there is a lack of villianess' in comic films, and what better one to introduce, she would play off of Tony's playboy side.

[Brian Braddock]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/JustinHammer.jpg

= awesomeness

[Venomfan]

he won't do a super hero movie, but wasn't he in one of the scary movies:huh::huh:

[Raiden]

he won't do a super hero movie, but wasn't he in one of the scary movies:huh::huh:

It's possible that he would do IM2, since there are many respectable actors like Downey, Paltrow, and Howard in the cast. And Woods' series Shark just got cancelled, so it's not like he's busy or anything.

[Spider-Vader]

Titanium Man, but I want Mandarin #2. Have the armored villians back in #3.

[CaptainStacy]

Since this is more of a generic sort of movie and my guess Manadrin won't have like superpowers and that sort of thing, what if he could use either Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo as a pawn working for him? Ya know, sorta like in BatMan Begins on how Ra's Al Ghul has ScareCrow and Falcone; just a thought, but I'd think it'd be sorta cool. If anybody though, I'd probably choose Dynamo for the sake of political and more of a grounded Soviet Union terrorist sort of shpeel. :word: :im:

Why not Spymaster, Whiplash, Unicorn, etc., as henchmen instead of more armored guys?

[bubbadoom]

If IM2 has Mandarin and Thor in it, then I hope Fin Fang Foom shows up, too!

[Killing Joke926]

Why not Spymaster, Whiplash, Unicorn, etc., as henchmen instead of more armored guys?

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh................unicorn? :huh: :hehe:

[Spectacular23]

Wow. Everybody saying CD but my opinion was Titanium man only because he and iron man look like they are leveled up and it will be a great challenge for stark.

[CaptainStacy]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh................unicorn? :huh: :hehe:

Yeah, although im SURE you have no idea who that is.

(waits patiently whule KillingJoke926 does an online search, then comes back claiming to know all ABOUT the character) :word:

[Chris B]

Why not Spymaster, Whiplash, Unicorn, etc., as henchmen instead of more armored guys?

I think they should appear in IM3 working for Madame Masque.

[Figs]

Funny thing is, I seem to remember Edward Norton saying almost exactly the same thing about 5 (or so) years ago when asked about appearing in the genre;

Never say Never.......................


Yeah, never say never I guess...it's just if Woods were to do it he would be ask for an insane amount of money...which he damn well should.:word:

[kedrell]

Well I don't see why Woods wouldn't do it with the caliber film/cast/director we're talking about here. He was in the Specialist with Stallone for pete's sake, which is a far less respectable movie than IM. Plus it's not like he'd be asked to wear tights or anything silly like that. Hammer's just a villain, not a super-villain. Like Falcone in BB.

[Brian Braddock]

Just amended my sig. Let's start the ball rolling.

:D

[Ironman24]

Just amended my sig. Let's start the ball rolling.

:D

You got me onboard.

[Brian Braddock]

:up:

[DocHoliday]

James Woods would be brilliant.

[Knightsaber Priss]

This comes from my naivety of the comics and it probably did happen, but I think the best match up would be Tony vs. Rhodey wearing the Mark 2 suit. I guess it would be a bonus if Mandarin tricks Rhodey into the battle as well.

[Mr. Todd]

I say no more armored villians. Just go with Mandarin.

[Spider-Fan]

I vote C-The Mandarin

We've seen Iron Monger. CD and TM wouldn't be much different. The Mandarin has been aluded to, and offers more IMO.

[Mr. Todd]

I vote C-The Mandarin

We've seen Iron Monger. CD and TM wouldn't be much different. The Mandarin has been aluded to, and offers more IMO.

Exactly. They already had the group "The Ten Rings", all they need now are those rings and someone to use them, possibly Raza.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't think they should go back to Armored villains... maybe throw in a guy like Dynamo in the Avengers just to cancel out Iron Man. But another armored villain is a rehash. MODOCK is the best choice IMO. Nefaria/Mosque is a little far fetched for the world they created. I don't think they are good choices. MODOCK is the pick here. As lame as he might come across... I do want to see Mosque at some point though... she is like Tony Stark's Talia Al Ghul. Could make for a kickass third. But right now I still favor MODOCK.

[Spider-Fan]

So you don't want to ever see the Mandarin?

I think MODOK is not a bad choice, but I think the Mandarin is better.

[FaT_tONle]

What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about IM3. If we even get that. But you never know. I don't like repeating villains. Mandarin would only show up in one movie in my ideal IM trilogy. Since the third isn't guaranteed I don't want to risk saving Mandarin for the end. It depends on what they do in Avengers. If another armored villain shows up (a good idea IMO) then for IM3 I won't have to go back to that since that would be the third armored villain we'd have gotten at that point. If they use HYDRA in Avengers then AIM/MODOCK works well for IM3. I also like Nefaria and Madame Mosque as well... but one of those guys needs to bite the dust. Multiple villains is stupid. Anyhow we obviously have a ways to go before having to worry about this.

[ThatDamnNinja]

As far as we understand, Iron Man 3 is the Avengers, no?

I think using another armored villain would REALLY be pushing it. I think they should just use War Machine and Mandarin in Iron Man II. Done right, it would be the ultimate Iron Man movie.

[Spider-Fan]

What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about IM3. If we even get that. But you never know. I don't like repeating villains. Mandarin would only show up in one movie in my ideal IM trilogy. Since the third isn't guaranteed I don't want to risk saving Mandarin for the end. It depends on what they do in Avengers. If another armored villain shows up (a good idea IMO) then for IM3 I won't have to go back to that since that would be the third armored villain we'd have gotten at that point. If they use HYDRA in Avengers then AIM/MODOCK works well for IM3. I also like Nefaria and Madame Mosque as well... but one of those guys needs to bite the dust. Multiple villains is stupid. Anyhow we obviously have a ways to go before having to worry about this.

Ah, sorry. I thought it was for IM2. My bad.

[Chris B]

I also like Nefaria and Madame Mosque as well... but one of those guys needs to bite the dust. Multiple villains is stupid. Anyhow we obviously have a ways to go before having to worry about this.

I disagree. IMO, multiple villains can work is you can interwine them. And Count Nefaria and Madame Masque would tie together nicely because of the father and daughter connection.

[FaT_tONle]

I disagree. IMO, multiple villains can work is you can interwine them. And Count Nefaria and Madame Masque would tie together nicely because of the father and daughter connection.

Um... not what I was referring to but w/e... I meant we can't have that pair AND MODOCK in the same film.

[Chris B]

Um... not what I was referring to but w/e... I meant we can't have that pair AND MODOCK in the same film.

Then I agree. Besides I don't really want to see MODOK in an Iron Man movie.

[TopherChaos3]

crimson dynamo, hes got the power to render iron man powerless, a good super hero movie always puts the hero in a situation where IT SEEMS theres no way out

[Nepenthes]

Don't ask me why (as I usually can't stand the guy) but I think James Spader would look good opposite RDJ's Tony Stark, not necessarilly as either TM or CD but as one of IM's rogues gallery certainly. I guess it's because he can play such a convincing a$$hole that I figure he'd make a good villain.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/spader.jpg

Failing that; Verne Troyer can play Titanium Man II (a.k.a. the Gremlin) :woot:

Now I'm gonna lie down and try and work out were this sudden and disturbing liking of Spader has come from..............

Hank Pym!

man that would be hilarious. Good eye Benitez.

[Jick09]

Titanium Man, like he was in the Iron Man game for PS2. so awesome.
and like someone said, James Spader as the villain would be so great, acting like the opposite of Tony Stark. genius, confident, armored, but evil.

[Casius--J]

I would say both.

I think it could work if it deals with the demon in the bottle story line, and you have more reson for war machine to be around because stark cant handle two armoured villains at once. I think they should include the mandarin and Justin hammer in the story too!!

[jokerface89]

I voted Titanium Man but while I think he is a good villain the Mandarin should be the next iron man after all he iron man arch nemesis and seeing how he has already was metion a couple of times in the last iron man movie it would only make sense for him to be the next villain plus it be kind of boring seeing stark just basically fighting another armored villain.

[The Overlord]

Yeah, although im SURE you have no idea who that is.

(waits patiently whule KillingJoke926 does an online search, then comes back claiming to know all ABOUT the character) :word:

I know about him and he is hardly the coolest character around. Plus I don't think the general public would buy a guy named unicorn as a great villain. Plus he is another lame, outdated communist villain. Too many strikes against him.

[The Question]

I don't see why The Unicorn wouldn't work. The code name isn't that bad. Hell, it kind of evokes an espionage spy thriller feel, which is the root of the character's origin anyway. The only real snag would be the communist aspect of the character, to which there are two solutions: 1) He was an agent for the KGB during the cold war, and became a mercenary after the fall of the Berlin wall. Or, if you want to tie him to The Mandarin, say that he quit before the Soviet Union fell, having become disillusioned with Communism, and joined up with The Mandarin. 2) Make him a Chinese wetworks guy, and put him in opposition to The Mandarin.

[The Overlord]

I don't see why The Unicorn wouldn't work. The code name isn't that bad. Hell, it kind of evokes an espionage spy thriller feel, which is the root of the character's origin anyway. The only real snag would be the communist aspect of the character, to which there are two solutions: 1) He was an agent for the KGB during the cold war, and became a mercenary after the fall of the Berlin wall. Or, if you want to tie him to The Mandarin, say that he quit before the Soviet Union fell, having become disillusioned with Communism, and joined up with The Mandarin. 2) Make him a Chinese wetworks guy, and put him in opposition to The Mandarin.

I bet most people would disagree with the code name, it sounds femmine.

His design kinda sucks too. Plus his powers are lame and generic.

But you don't think there are tons of villains who should appear before unicorn? Ones who don't have femmine names.

[The Question]

I bet most people would disagree with the code name, it sounds femmine.

His design kinda sucks too. Plus his powers are lame and generic.

But you don't think there are tons of villains who should appear before unicorn? Ones who don't have femmine names.

He's an Iron Man villain who has a backstory that lends itself to having him either be The Mandarin's minion or a third party working against both Iron Man and The Mandarin. I don't see why he shouldn't be in the movie. He can always be redesigned for the film, and his powers aren't really that bad. He's super strong and does energy blasts. If his powers are lame then so are two of Superman's.

As for the name: If you're playing up the spy background, then the femininity of his name doesn't matter. Code names aren't meant to sound badass or masculine. They're simply meant to be what's written in the official reports and what's said over communications so the other guys don't know who your man is. The Unicorn sounds like a classic espionage code name from old 60s spy thrillers. And while in the U.S., Unicorns are often associated with stuff like My Little Pony, there's nothing wussy about them. They are symbols of strength and purity in folklore.

And, in a slight digression, they are also often symbols of femininity, but not in a weak or unimpressive way. When they are feminine symbols, they are symbols of feminine strength.

[The Overlord]

He's an Iron Man villain who has a backstory that lends itself to having him either be The Mandarin's minion or a third party working against both Iron Man and The Mandarin. I don't see why he shouldn't be in the movie. He can always be redesigned for the film, and his powers aren't really that bad. He's super strong and does energy blasts. If his powers are lame then so are two of Superman's.

As for the name: If you're playing up the spy background, then the femininity of his name doesn't matter. Code names aren't meant to sound badass or masculine. They're simply meant to be what's written in the official reports and what's said over communications so the other guys don't know who your man is. The Unicorn sounds like a classic espionage code name from old 60s spy thrillers. And while in the U.S., Unicorns are often associated with stuff like My Little Pony, there's nothing wussy about them. They are symbols of strength and purity in folklore.

And, in a slight digression, they are also often symbols of femininity, but not in a weak or unimpressive way. When they are feminine symbols, they are symbols of feminine strength.

1. Putting in a third party would crowd the movie too much, remember Spider-man 3?

2. There are more interesting villains that could work as henchmen, with better non outdated backstories and cooler powers

3. a guy doesn't want to be a symbol "feminine strength", a guy shouldn't want to be a symbol of feminine anything!

[The Question]

1. Putting in a third party would crowd the movie too much, remember Spider-man 3?

Spider-Man 3 wasn't proof that multiple antagonists don't work. There are films with more than two characters working in opposition with each other. Spider-Man 3 was multiple villains done badly.

2. There are more interesting villains that could work as henchmen, with better non outdated backstories and cooler powers

The first part is fairly subjective. I think The Unicorn makes a perfectly good villain. He's a man who's been used by people his whole life and has become increasingly emotionally unstable as a result. He's also got a history with working for The Mandarin.

His backstory also can lend itself to the films. Yes, Russia isn't Communist anymore. But that doesn't mean that it never was. You can have people who worked for the Russians back when they were Communist in films set in the modern day. And it would work for the story. Let's say The Unicorn was an agent for the KGB who, after being used and abused by his superiors, defected and became something of a mercenary. He ultimately joins up with The Mandarin to get back at those who manipulated him in the past.

3. a guy doesn't want to be a symbol "feminine strength", a guy shouldn't want to be a symbol of feminine anything!

Unicorn's aren't always a symbol of feminine strength. I was simply saying that when they are used as a feminine symbol, it's a very positive and strong one. And like I said, it doesn't matter what his name symbolizes: He's a spy. His code name isn't a totem he's taken on to symbolize something greater than himself. It's a means to an end. And using Unicorn as a code name evokes an old school spy feel.

[The Overlord]

Spider-Man 3 wasn't proof that multiple antagonists don't work. There are films with more than two characters working in opposition with each other. Spider-Man 3 was multiple villains done badly.

Kiss=keep it simple stupid. Adding another villain takes up screen time better used esle where, well addding nothing to the main plot. Unicorn shouldn't be a third party that eats away at screen time.



The first part is fairly subjective. I think The Unicorn makes a perfectly good villain. He's a man who's been used by people his whole life and has become increasingly emotionally unstable as a result. He's also got a history with working for The Mandarin.

His backstory also can lend itself to the films. Yes, Russia isn't Communist anymore. But that doesn't mean that it never was. You can have people who worked for the Russians back when they were Communist in films set in the modern day. And it would work for the story. Let's say The Unicorn was an agent for the KGB who, after being used and abused by his superiors, defected and became something of a mercenary. He ultimately joins up with The Mandarin to get back at those who manipulated him in the past.
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So you are saying Ghost, living laser, Spymaster, Whiplash, Blizzard, etc wouldn't make better henchmen? Most of them require fewer changes and have better powers.

Heck why does mandy need henchmen, he is both a physical and mental threat to Stark? This is just adding clutter.


Unicorn's aren't always a symbol of feminine strength. I was simply saying that when they are used as a feminine symbol, it's a very positive and strong one. And like I said, it doesn't matter what his name symbolizes: He's a spy. His code name isn't a totem he's taken on to symbolize something greater than himself. It's a means to an end. And using Unicorn as a code name evokes an old school spy feel.

Most people don't remember that movie and would think that code name is pretty lame.

[The Question]

Kiss=keep it simple stupid. Adding another villain takes up screen time better used esle where, well addding nothing to the main plot. Unicorn shouldn't be a third party that eats away at screen time.

And who's to say that adding another villain would add nothing to the plot? It all depends on how well it's executed. I feel like storytelling rules like "kiss" are a hindrance. The rules of telling a story shouldn't be strict rules. They should be guidelines, subject to being ignored or revised based upon circumstances. And I can think of two perfectly good examples of super hero movies where they had multiple villains and it worked. Those being Christopher Nolan's Batman films. Let's count the number of Batman villains present in the films so far. In Begins, you had Ra's Al Ghul, The Scarecrow, Carmine Falcone, Detective Flass, Joe Chill, Mr. Zsasz, and two characters who essentially filled the role of Ra's Al Ghul's bodyguard Ubu. In The Dark Knight, you have The Joker, Two Face, Sal Maroni, Scarecrow, and various mobsters. It's all about striking the right balance between the characters and the plot. Saying that having more than one villain eats up screen time that is needed elsewhere can only be a valid statement if you actually know what the plot is. Otherwise, having that other character could work with the plot beautifully.


So you are saying Ghost, living laser, Spymaster, Whiplash, Blizzard, etc wouldn't make better henchmen? Most of them require fewer changes and have better powers.

I don't think they would be better. I think they would work just as fine as The Unicorn. I'm just saying that The Unicorn's origins and history of having worked for The Mandarin in the comics lends the character to the film pretty well. I was thinking that it would be nice to see a few minor Iron man villains working for The Mandarin with varying levels of screen time. Whiplash, Spymaster, The Unicorn, and Firebrand were all characters I was thinking of.

Heck why does mandy need henchmen, he is both a physical and mental threat to Stark? This is just adding clutter.

Because The Mandarin has always had people working for him in the comics, is more or less established as being the leader or a massive organization in the film series, and can't exactly conquer Asia all by himself.

Most people don't remember that movie and would think that code name is pretty lame.

What movie?

Anyway, don't think people will care all that much. He's a defected spy who's code name is The Unicorn. Big deal.

[Nirvana]

Titanium Man would definitely be quite a sight. As for armored villains, they should stick with them. Magical/alien/whatever villains would seem totally out of place in this series.

[The Overlord]

And who's to say that adding another villain would add nothing to the plot? It all depends on how well it's executed. I feel like storytelling rules like "kiss" are a hindrance. The rules of telling a story shouldn't be strict rules. They should be guidelines, subject to being ignored or revised based upon circumstances. And I can think of two perfectly good examples of super hero movies where they had multiple villains and it worked. Those being Christopher Nolan's Batman films. Let's count the number of Batman villains present in the films so far. In Begins, you had Ra's Al Ghul, The Scarecrow, Carmine Falcone, Detective Flass, Joe Chill, Mr. Zsasz, and two characters who essentially filled the role of Ra's Al Ghul's bodyguard Ubu. In The Dark Knight, you have The Joker, Two Face, Sal Maroni, Scarecrow, and various mobsters. It's all about striking the right balance between the characters and the plot. Saying that having more than one villain eats up screen time that is needed elsewhere can only be a valid statement if you actually know what the plot is. Otherwise, having that other character could work with the plot beautifully.
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Yeah because Flass, Chill and Zsasz were such a major villain in that movie:whatever: and scarecrow was a glorified hecnchman.

Also exactly what would Unicorn as third party add to the film, but a sub plot that would take away time from the man plot.


I don't think they would be better. I think they would work just as fine as The Unicorn. I'm just saying that The Unicorn's origins and history of having worked for The Mandarin in the comics lends the character to the film pretty well. I was thinking that it would be nice to see a few minor Iron man villains working for The Mandarin with varying levels of screen time. Whiplash, Spymaster, The Unicorn, and Firebrand were all characters I was thinking of.
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Most of those characters more interesting powers than Unicorn's though.


Because The Mandarin has always had people working for him in the comics, is more or less established as being the leader or a massive organization in the film series, and can't exactly conquer Asia all by himself.

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The latest story which was one of his best had no super powered henchman, so he doesn't need them.

Not that it matters, the chance of unicorn making it into the movies is slim to none.

[The IronMan]

Spader would make a good Tiberious Stone

[The Question]

Yeah because Flass, Chill and Zsasz were such a major villain in that movie:whatever: and scarecrow was a glorified hecnchman.

That's kind of my point. It was all a matter of balance. Flass, Chill, and Zsasz weren't massive figures in the film. But they were villains and the plot hinged on their being there in a lot of ways. Bruce would never have been Batman without Chill. Batman and the authorities would never have caught on to Ra's Al Ghul's scheme without Flass or, to a lesser extent, Zsasz (who helped show that Cran was corrupt).

Also exactly what would Unicorn as third party add to the film, but a sub plot that would take away time from the man plot.

Well, since we're talking about a sub plot with no idea of what the main plot is, it seems pretty pointless to argue that it would detract from the main plot.

Most of those characters more interesting powers than Unicorn's though.

Because powers are the only thing that's important. All I'm saying is that The Unicorn backstory and powers make him just as valid a choice for the film as any other minor Iron Man film.

The latest story which was one of his best had no super powered henchman, so he doesn't need them.

Not that it matters, the chance of unicorn making it into the movies is slim to none.

All I'm saying is that there's no reason to right him off out of hand.

[Saint]

I voted no armoured villain, this time. Need to see something different. Mallen, says I! Makes a good lackey for Mandarin.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'd rather see the Mandarin in Iron Man 2. :up:

[Arthas]

Agreed:up: and FFF

[DraXXXen]

I think it would be hard to avoid using any armored villain in the sequals, so the best way to go about it is use the villains in a new way. Specifically have a handful of costumed villains on screen hired by another corporation to take down Stark/Ironman. This way you spend the movie developing the main corporate villains character (Justin Hammer perhaps) but use a fist full of foes like Spymaster, Ghost, Blizzard, Beetle, etc for action scenes. There is no rule saying Iron Man as to fight the actual mastermind behind it all, just his minions would be fine.

[Arthas]

armored villains.....no more...

:lmao:

[calibud]

Ultimo. A non-human-controlled machine. That's scarier for Iron Man. Stane's flaw was his arrogance, a human trait. An unstoppable robot (possibly controlled by The Mandarin...or maybe just a sentient machine) would be ideal if they had to go with another machine type villain.
Instead of being made by The Mandarin, how about if it's Stark Industries' project becoming self-aware? If they go with Stark's alcoholism, that would tie in well to him losing control of his life. Mandarin must be in IM2. Ultimo and Mandarin double threat, but no team-up. Could work. Iron Man's rogues gallery is kind of bizarre.

Edit: I guess it actually wouldn't make sense considering Stark Industries no longer manufactures weapons. A last minute deal made by Stane? He should have a lasting effect on Stark.

[Colossal Spoons]

CD :up:

Hold off on Mandarin till the 3rd movie

[Raiden]

We need another armored villain in IM2, but we should have Mandarin in the background, albeit in a more visible position than in IM1. Mandarin should be revealed fully in IM3, but I think there should always be another villain as Mandarin by himself won't work too well imo.

[Spiderine]

How about the Beetle?

[bweurk]

I want Magneto and Titanium Man, but only if the Crimson Dynamo cames along for the ride!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQhVRWYxRt4

[Rich Santoro]

I am with DraXXXen... Depict Tony as tracking his illegally sold weapons to more insurgent groups (linked to Ten Rings... perhaps sister orgs)... While he is at it, he starts to find some freaky new age weapons (some energy weapons, that he tracks to Hammer). Throughout the film, IM has a run in with some techy thugs like Blacklash, Spymaster, Blizzard and Mach 1 (I would bypass the Beetle persona).

He eventually confronts Hammer and finds that he has stepped-in to provide weapons to the world, after Tony declared that Stark Industries is shifting away from weapons tech. There should be some reference to the Ten Rings, and their grand poobah (The Mandarin)... either explicitly, or just the context that these figures exist...

Then Hammer points out, "Look what you have done Tony... you gave the world a glimpse of the possibilities, with your fancy new Ironman get-up. Didn't you think others would try to follow??? That is the way it works... it is an arms race to the end. Now, seeing what you have achieved with your little power suit, I have sunk all of my R&D into new power systems, battle gear, and energy weapons... I have to thank you for giving us all some direction on the matter. What a brave new world lies ahead." (Hammer played by James Woods... I can see him nailing that delivery)...

He then introduces Crimson Dynamo... He points out that his new energy system isn't as effective as the Arc Reactor, but it is still revolutionary... and he has decided to make up for what the power source lacks by getting a real combat trained pilot and hand-to-hand fighting expert to don the armor (Turgenov or Petrovich). "Tony, your just an inventer... We know what you can do in the lab, but you are outclassed going head to head." But Tony's superior tech and resourefulness wins the day...

[Rich Santoro]

Move onto the Avengers... then peel back to the Ten Rings and the Mandarin in IM3 (this gives more build up for the Mandarin, and would be a good next act after the Avengers film takes place).

[Chris Wallace]

I say hold off on any armored villains, at least for now. The first sequel shouldn't feel like a retread of familiar territory.

[Philly Phanboy]

No armored villains. For the sequel I'd use either Mandarin, the Maggia crime syndicate, or introduce HYDRA/AIM (the last two could be used again for other movies/franchises as well).

[Rich Santoro]

AIM could be good... as a prelude to events in the Avengers. I favor the Red Skull as the core villain, with AIM as his private army of scientists and mercenaries (he is another private contractor for military tech, and Blackwater'esque guns-for-hire).

I like the Hammer-tech-thug plot as a subplot to an overall triology arc that culminates to the Mandarin in IM3 (Hammer is the Ten Rings new weapons guy, and Hammer mentions to Tony, "I am going to take you down, overrun your company and compile all your technology into my own databases. Hey, a guy has to do what he can in order to keep up. Scary new things are coming down the pipe. You should see what this guy with the Ten Rings can do. Well, no matter... if he succeeds at his new world order, I am already sitting pretty as his goto guy for weapon systems. You on the other hand, aren't going to have a chair when the music stops.")

That builds up the Mandarin, but gives us a reasonable outlet to shine the spotlight on more new age tech, without seeming like a rehash. Not to mention, I think Obadiah's comment to Tony (when he paralyzed him) about, imagine a whole new age of weapons with this at the center of it all (looking at the Arc reactor)... was a hook for more tech in the sequel.

[Brian Braddock]

I'd genuinely love to see a Marvel studios M.O.D.O.K. at some point.

[Rich Santoro]

I have to say... I am very cold to that idea... it could be pretty sweet, but I am not excited about the prospect.

[Brian Braddock]

It's what it represents - I'm sick of Marvel properties being watered down. That's why it's so exciting that Marvel Studios are making these films.

I just remember the 'geekasm' that I had with the inclusion of the 'Sonic Cannons' in TIH. To me, that was 'old school Marvel'. Dare I say it, we might not have seen such a 'geeky' concept from another studio.

M.O.D.O.K.'s the same deal to me; geeky but unashamedly fun.

[Chris Wallace]

I want Magneto and Titanium Man, but only if the Crimson Dynamo cames along for the ride!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQhVRWYxRt4

Magneto ain't gonna happen, & shouldn't. What can Iron Man possibly do against a guy who can manipulate metal? Is he gonna go get an all-plastic suit & pray Erik can't find any metal to cream him with?
It'd be like putting Superman up against somebody who was made of kryptonite.

[Rich Santoro]

I am with you on the things like the sonic cannons... We want to push the envelope of depicting what makes the sci-fi/fantasy world of comic books so great.

But (for now at least) I really think that there is a line that we should approach with some trepidation (a line which I believe is gradually sliding away). As more films get made, and more suspension of disbelief becomes acceptable by the general movie-going audience... then we can delve deeper into the Marvel mythology.

But then again, you only said:

...at some point so I am just grinding on for no good reason I suppose.

[Brian Braddock]

Hey, no worries - it's what we're here for.

If we all didnt grind on for no good reason; nothing would get said. :)

[Rich Santoro]

^ Amen to that... :yay:

[MichaelChen]

The Mandarin! I want to see Kung Fu Hustle's The Beast fight Iron Man, and The Mandarin is damned close.

[bweurk]

Magneto ain't gonna happen, & shouldn't. What can Iron Man possibly do against a guy who can manipulate metal? Is he gonna go get an all-plastic suit & pray Erik can't find any metal to cream him with?
It'd be like putting Superman up against somebody who was made of kryptonite.

I wasn't serious you know... it's just that the title of the thread remind me of this song from Paul MacCartney and the Wings.... and I LOVE this song!!!

[Rich Santoro]

The Mandarin! I want to see Kung Fu Hustle's The Beast fight Iron Man, and The Mandarin is damned close.

This is the man for the Mandarin

http://media.bladezone.com/contents/film/interviews/james-hong/lopan5.jpg

[MichaelChen]

That would be a horrible choice. Waaaayyy too nerdy and girly for a character who is basically Genghis Khan 2.0 and jumps around martial arting the crap out of Iron Man. The role demands an actor with some machismo. Sonny Chiba, perhaps.

[Colossal Spoons]

This is the man for the Mandarin

http://media.bladezone.com/contents/film/interviews/james-hong/lopan5.jpg

Hahaha, wtf

[Chris Wallace]

I wasn't serious you know... it's just that the title of the thread remind me of this song from Paul MacCartney and the Wings.... and I LOVE this song!!!

:huh:

[MichaelChen]

The only song I get reminded of is Particle Man vs...I forget who Particle Man fights in that song.

[Chewy]

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[bweurk]

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I'm not a big fan of this kind of montage, but, every time the crimson dynamo appears, with his silly walking.... i love it...

I love this song, i'm a fan of the Beatles/Wings/Lennon/MacCartney/Harrison....

[BrollySupersj]

I say both, tag team baby!

[Jamie Madrox]

I'd love for Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man to appear, but I think it's time for The Mandarin.

[[A]]

Not very familiar with the characters (:o) but I voted Crimson Dynamo.. cool name.

[cryptic name]

This is the man for the Mandarin

http://media.bladezone.com/contents/film/interviews/james-hong/lopan5.jpg

you never could beat me, egg shen. :woot:

[Brian Braddock]

Peasant magic.

[Ironfan72]

lol, Big Trouble in little China reference, love it.

[Brian Braddock]

It's all in the reflexes.

[Spider-Vader]

I think both should appear & have Mandarin in the third movie.

[Rich Santoro]

"When some wild-eyed, 8-foot tall maniac grabs you by the kneck, taps the back of your favorite head against the bar room wall, and looks you crooked in the eye, and he asks... 'Have you paid your dues?'... Well you just look that big sucker right back in the eye and remember what old Jack Burton always says at a time like that... 'Have you paid your dues, Jack?'... Yes sir, the check is in the mail."

http://jackassespokertour.com/richie.aspx

[Double Down]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=317416

I think we have an answer.

[Chewy]

The Variety article says Dynamo is speculation... it could very well be Titanium Man instead. The characters have a lot of similarities.

I'd guess Dynamo, but you never know...

[The IronMan]

I'd much rather have the Titanium man be the villan with hints of the mandarin

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe Titanium Man as a villain in Avengers? Definitely won't be Mandarin since IM3 was confirmed a while back and they'd probably save him till then. Right now... for Avengers villains... I'd have to say Loki/Leader/Titanium Man would be seriously considered... along with B. Zemo and maybe the return of Red Skull, assuming he's in the Cap film.

[Troy_Parker]

No MORE DEAD COPS!! I mean armoured villains :woot:

[OsGom]

I would say Titanium Man over Crimson Dynamo. Both work in a story but films have a little something called a budget that must be maintained.

Natasha (Black Widow) is going to be in it but not her husband The Red Guardian? Bummer.

[kedrell]

He's a much more minor character, the soviet super soldier. Can't keep everybody in there.

[kedrell]

No MORE DEAD COPS!! I mean armoured villains :woot:

Hehe, yeah and no more gang-leader/crime-boss villains in Batman movies. You know it'll never happen.:cwink:

[Doctor Doom]

Gotta go with my favourite colour; Crimson Dynamo. Though I'd like to see Titanium Man in the possibly even bigger third movie, seeing as how he's more of Iron Man's full opposite.

[Brian Braddock]

Stumbled across this site with great pictures of movie-inspired armoured figures.

The Titanium Man armour is very interesting in that it seems to be similiar in design to the Iron Man armour, almost liked some of Tony's tech has been used to create it:-

http://marvellegends.net/Movies/IM01/

There's more in-depth stuff here:-

http://www.oafe.net/poe/im1_tm.php

I like the design - I mean, we've already had a 'massive' armoured foe in the form of Iron Monger; I actually like the idea of some of the other armoured villains being more of a comparible size to Tony in the IM armour. It's a bit of a different approach.

As long as they take that approach with either Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo, I'll be happy.

[kedrell]

^CD would be the better choice for a more similar sized armored foe, at least if we're going to try for comics accuracy. TM has always been larger(but not as big as Iron Monger in the 1st movie) since the 1st wearer needed a bigger suit due to him being a 7 ft tall guy to begin with. So while the suit was larger, it wasn't oversized for the original wearer like Stane's IM armor was. CD's suits however have alternated being larger than Iron Man and the same size depending on the version of the CD armor. So go with that.

[Rich Santoro]

oops

[kedrell]

^Better fix that hotlinked pic before the mods see it.

[Adrian89]

NO more armoured villains, kthxbye!

[kedrell]

^And every time I hear people say that I'll just reply, "Then no more gang-leader/crime boss-with-weirdo-issues villains in the next Batman film; and no more animal-based, superpowered thugs in the next Spider-Man movie; and no more mutant villains in the next X-men movie!"

Iron Man fights other guys in battle suits. They're like 75% of his rogue's gallery. Accept it.

[Brian Braddock]

Kedrell speaketh the truth.

[Ironfan72]

^And every time I hear people say that I'll just reply, "Then no more gang-leader/crime boss-with-weirdo-issues villains in the next Batman film; and no more animal-based, superpowered thugs in the next Spider-Man movie; and no more mutant villains in the next X-men movie!"

Iron Man fights other guys in battle suits. They're like 75% of his rogue's gallery. Accept it.

100% correct.

[Chris B]

I wonder what the chances of seeing Titanium Man in an Iron Man movie are? Since we've already gotten Iron Monger, with it looking like we'll get Crimson Dynamo in IM2, I wonder if Favreau and co. will be interested in using a third armored villain down the line?

[Brian Braddock]

If that happens, then The Living Lasers always in with a shout.

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe they should just make the Avengers movie instead of a sequel,since Iron Man doesn't have any original villains that moviegoers will like...

[kedrell]

^I highly doubt the last part of that statement.

[Brian Braddock]

It is a pretty presumptious and sweeping statement.

[Brian Braddock]

Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, Ultimo, Madame Mask, Whiplash etc. Not to mention the potential of A.I.M. and M.O.D.O.K.

All of whom could be utilised to be a great villain in a future IM movie.

[Figs]

Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, Ultimo, Madame Mask, Whiplash etc. Not to mention the potential of A.I.M. and M.O.D.O.K.

All of whom could be utilised to be a great villain in a future IM movie.


Don't forget Fin Fang Foom!:woot:

In my opinion if they were to ever use a wacked out character like M.O.D.O.K. then I see no reason why they couldn't use a mystical dragon.

Hell, I'm even for the idea of it being a robotic dragon the Mandarin in a possible third uses as some sort of protector/bodyguard.

[Cool Monty]

Why not have them both in it? One opponent for Iron Man, and one for Warmachine.

[Cool Monty]

double post

[Troy_Parker]

Why not have them both in it? One opponent for Iron Man, and one for Warmachine.


it's gonna turn into Spider-Man 3....:o

[Iron_Stark]

^and every time i hear people say that i'll just reply, "then no more gang-leader/crime boss-with-weirdo-issues villains in the next batman film; and no more animal-based, superpowered thugs in the next spider-man movie; and no more mutant villains in the next x-men movie!"

iron man fights other guys in battle suits. They're like 75% of his rogue's gallery. Accept it.

qft

I'd also love for them to add in Ultimo, maybe not make him 100 feet tall like in the comics, but maybe 20-25 feet like in M:UA.

[Kent]

^And every time I hear people say that I'll just reply, "Then no more gang-leader/crime boss-with-weirdo-issues villains in the next Batman film; and no more animal-based, superpowered thugs in the next Spider-Man movie; and no more mutant villains in the next X-men movie!"

Iron Man fights other guys in battle suits. They're like 75% of his rogue's gallery. Accept it.

Thank you!

Also, besides this I really don't think Iron Man vs Iron Monger is enough. I mean, I personally liked that fight, but a prolonged aerial battle between Iron Man and an armored foe needs to happen. The concept has not yet been exhausted in terms of action.

[Chris B]

If that happens, then The Living Lasers always in with a shout.

He'd be a good choice. On that note, regarding IM3 villains, I wouldn't mind seeing guys like the Living Laser, Blizzard, Whiplash, Firebrand, and Unicorn appear as minions of the Mandarin in the same vein as the 90's cartoon. Maybe with the Titanium Man and Madame Masque (depending on Black Widow's role in IM2) too.

[Chris B]

qft

I'd also love for them to add in Ultimo, maybe not make him 100 feet tall like in the comics, but maybe 20-25 feet like in M:UA.

Personally, I'd prefer if they used Ultimo instead of Fin Fang Foom, if they went in the direction of the Mandarin having an oversized pet. A 30 foot tall robot would be a lot easier to accept than a dragon.

[Brian Braddock]

Awesome;

'A 30 foot tall robot would be a lot easier to accept than a dragon'.

That's so sig worthy for it's irony it's untrue. :D

[Chris B]

Awesome;

'A 30 foot tall robot would be a lot easier to accept than a dragon'.

That's so sig worthy for it's irony it's untrue. :D

All I was trying to say is that I don't think a dragon would fit in an Iron Man movie. And given the technology-theme of the character, I think a robot of some sort would be better. And I'll admit that is still pushing the boundaries.

Though honestly, I would prefer if neither one appeared. I'm just saying that if one of them had too...

[Chewy]

How about a 30 foot tall robotic dragon?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Crimson Dynamo gets my vote, I'm a lot more familiar with him than Titanium Man and TM's name would be just too corny for a movie.

[Brian Braddock]

All I was trying to say is that I don't think a dragon would fit in an Iron Man movie. And given the technology-theme of the character, I think a robot of some sort would be better. And I'll admit that is still pushing the boundaries.

Though honestly, I would prefer if neither one appeared. I'm just saying that if one of them had too...

I know; It was just a bit of friendly ribbing.

What you say makes sense.

The thing is though, the IM films are gonna have to deal with the magical aspect at some point - if not with the Mandarin, certainly with the apparent inclusion of Thor as a cameo and definately with IM being in the Avengers.

How about a 30 foot tall robotic dragon?

Mechagodzilla.

:D

[Sawyer]

If it is going to be Crimson Dynamo, which one? Arent there, like, 12 different Crimson Dynamos?

[Chewy]

Well, based on the fact that his name is going to be "Ivan", it looks like they're just going to make their own version.

Or have Ivan Petrovich become Crimson Dynamo instead of his son

[Rich Santoro]

Or they can have all 12 show up, in a mega-armored-battle-royal...

[Chris B]

I know; It was just a bit of friendly ribbing.

What you say makes sense.

The thing is though, the IM films are gonna have to deal with the magical aspect at some point - if not with the Mandarin, certainly with the apparent inclusion of Thor as a cameo and definately with IM being in the Avengers.

In that case, sorry if I came off as a bit too defensive. :word:

But I see what you mean about how they will have to incorporate the more fantastical elements into the IM franchise eventually since they plan on using the Mandarin down the line, along with the character's inevitable involvement in the Avengers.

Its just that I feel that as far as the solo IM franchise is concerned, I'd prefer that the magical/fantastical elements be kept to a minimum. Even if they are going to have to be added sooner or later.

[Chris B]

Well, based on the fact that his name is going to be "Ivan", it looks like they're just going to make their own version.

Or have Ivan Petrovich become Crimson Dynamo instead of his son

Personally, that is what I'm hoping for myself. Unless the trades had their facts slightly off and their really using Yuri Petrovich.

I'd be kind of disappointed if they created their own version if only because there is such a large selection of guys from the comics who used the armor that they could chose from.

[Duskbyday]

Out of the two, Crimson Dynamo. Still want Manderein in IM2 though

[FaT_tONle]

I think Marvel got it right in terms of story... I thought we'd get Nefaria and Madame Masque for part 2... although you can always come back to those villains in reboots or sequels years down the line. Another armored villain is a rehash but it makes sense since you definitely want to flesh out Armor Wars a little more. I am also glad Hammer is supposedly in this not to mention a femme fatale in BW. Save the Fu Manchu for part 3.