Grayskull: Masters of the Universe

[the_ultimate_evil]

i just read the script review, i honestly do not know what to think, aspects are making my inner fan got nuts with joy others are making him bang his head into the wall

[Figs]

Heres a site that has a bunch of awesome character concepts for the characters of Masters of the universe. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/Markoni777/Triklops-low.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.outerspace.com.br/showthread.php%3Ft%3D37879&h=600&w=500&sz=151&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=cmMuKsmlU8THKM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTri-Klops%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Also has anybody read the script review for " Greyskull" http://latinoreview.com/news/grayskull-masters-of-the-universe-script-review-4765


I like most of the concept art for the characters. Brings back old memories when I had the toys and watched the cartoon.

You know...He-Man really did have one of the coolest group of characters, good and bad.

I hope they can do this well on the big screen. Like with Man-E-Faces or Tri-klops...that could be awesome.

[Octoberist]

the naked evil lyn would never fly. damn. lol.

[Figs]

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[Hunter Rider]

I loved the toon as a kid and I just read the script review, now it changes quite a bit of what i recall but it sounds like a badass adaption of the material for a movie, god i hope they make this. :up:

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I don't really care for Brad Pitt or Tyler Mane as Prince Adam, I mean honestly I can't think of anyone I do like, perhaps a newcomer? It may be lame, but I like Angelina Jolie as Evil- Lyn.

[Mr. Credible]

i'm really liking that script.

it's not an exact adaptation, from what i remember, but let's be honest, it's freaking he-man... not really the strongest source material for a serious movie. what they have there sounds like a nice adaptation.

[Dr. Fate]

^^Very few people would object to Angie as Evil-Lynn.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

i'm really liking that script.

it's not an exact adaptation, from what i remember, but let's be honest, it's freaking he-man... not really the strongest source material for a serious movie. what they have there sounds like a nice adaptation.
A 100% faithful adaptation would be really really funny.

[TheVileOne]

It's stupid to try and execute He-Man this way. It should be more similar to Indiana Jones or Pirates of The Carribbean in tone.

[Hunter Rider]

They need to up the age of He-Man a bit IMO.

[MattBearPig]

It's stupid to try and execute He-Man this way. It should be more similar to Indiana Jones or Pirates of The Carribbean in tone.

Agreed.

[union_jak]

Woo hoo, thanks people. Volume 1 has arrived and I've ordered Volume 2 now. Being from the UK, I had to import and wouldn't have noticed they were on sale if it wasn't mentioned here :up:

[Dr. Fate]

Should we merge this with the other thread He-Man thread?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=303822

[Dr. Fate]

Should we merge this with the other He-Man thread?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=287312

[union_jak]

Should we merge this with the other thread He-Man thread?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=303822
lol I was always saying this thread should be merged with this (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=288446) one, now there's a third!?

[Dr. Fate]

Bump

[Dr. Fate]

lol I was always saying this thread should be merged with this (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=288446) one, now there's a third!?
People love He-Man, it's the He-Man love - and the fact that we don't hear much news on the He-Man property for months at a time - that drives us to create multiple threads on the subject when any news does come in.

[union_jak]

I really hope there are some developments. I'd love them to take care, not rush anything and just aim for a time when we are free from Harry Potter, Narnia and summer superhero sequels. These days too much comes out together and the box office is split.

[Octoberist]

Sometimes I question Warner Bros and they're decisions. You would think that, because of Transformers and now GI Joe that they'll go ahead with this. well...nothing has happened thus far.

[Mister J]

I'd like to see something develop along these lines. Naturally, it's a darker than what I've seen of the TV show, I'd like to see it toned down a bit to bear more of a resemblance. Reading Adam described as a 'badass, 21-year old warrior' left me a little ':dry:'. I like the dichotomy between a reserved Adam who purports to be mousy/cowardly, in contrast to everything that He-Man is, even at the occasional disappointment of his family by the former.

The opening sequences and everything that led up to the 'present day' telling was great though, especially the Keldor/Randor relationship acknowledgment.

I just want to see a live-action, "By the Power of Grayskull!" moment. :o

[terry78]

Lack of a CGI Orko = massive fail of this film on a spastastic level.

[Jordacar]

I read the script review a few days ago, and now that I've spent a few days ruminating over El Mayimbe's gushing, I can give my reactions.

I can tell that Justin Marks & co. worked really hard trying to unite the whole medievel/tech aspects of Eternia that the show is so well known for, and it sound like they did a decent job of pulling that off. The prolog backstory mythology stuff is by far the highlight of the review for me.

Also, reading the story points and the changes from the 'toon that were made, I suddenly realized how profoundly attached and obsessed I am with "Secret of the Sword," the She-Ra origin movie that kick-started her series. I find that I have difficulty digesting many of the changes to the mythology that make arriving at SotS and She-Ra more difficult. (With this new Grayskull mythology, I can see them changing it so that Etheria and Eternia are parallel worlds and She-Ra's sword is that dimension's version of He-Man's sword.)

Now the spoilers, for those of you who prefer to skip the script reviews:
-I was not terribly fond of Randor's death. He should live. We've seen the "You killed my father" revenge business in too many movies as it is.

-In related news, Skeletor is He-Man's uncle now? Gimme a break...

-I didn't much care for the extended training sequence with Zodak. That seemed to be ripping off Batman Begins wholesale. However, the stuff about Prince Adam becoming "worthy" of entering Castle Grayskull and getting the sword sounded very good, but I think it's possible to maintain those themes without the years of fight training. And I really liked the Sorceress being the last surviving elder, or whatever it was.

-And I'll be honest with y'all, I was also bummed that Orko won't be in it. It feels like they're kinda chickening out by dropping Orko completely. Kinda.

That's all for now. I'll post my pics for cast shortly...

[Dr. Fate]

I read the script review a few days ago, and now that I've spent a few days ruminating over El Mayimbe's gushing, I can give my reactions.

I can tell that Justin Marks & co. worked really hard trying to unite the whole medievel/tech aspects of Eternia that the show is so well known for, and it sound like they did a decent job of pulling that off. The prolog backstory mythology stuff is by far the highlight of the review for me.

Also, reading the story points and the changes from the 'toon that were made, I suddenly realized how profoundly attached and obsessed I am with "Secret of the Sword," the She-Ra origin movie that kick-started her series. I find that I have difficulty digesting many of the changes to the mythology that make arriving at SotS and She-Ra more difficult. (With this new Grayskull mythology, I can see them changing it so that Etheria and Eternia are parallel worlds and She-Ra's sword is that dimension's version of He-Man's sword.)

Now the spoilers, for those of you who prefer to skip the script reviews:
-I was not terribly fond of Randor's death. He should live. We've seen the "You killed my father" revenge business in too many movies as it is.

-In related news, Skeletor is He-Man's uncle now? Gimme a break...

-I didn't much care for the extended training sequence with Zodak. That seemed to be ripping off Batman Begins wholesale. However, the stuff about Prince Adam becoming "worthy" of entering Castle Grayskull and getting the sword sounded very good, but I think it's possible to maintain those themes without the years of fight training. And I really liked the Sorceress being the last surviving elder, or whatever it was.

-And I'll be honest with y'all, I was also bummed that Orko won't be in it. It feels like they're kinda chickening out by dropping Orko completely. Kinda.

That's all for now. I'll post my pics for cast shortly...
Well, it's only a draft at this point. You never know, the stuff you didn't like might get taken out or changed back.

Orko seems to be a victim of the "Bat-Mite" syndrome.

[gkokujin]

Orko = JarJar



edit:
just read the review, holy crap, i would LOVE to see this movie make it!!!!

[Jordacar]

Orko = JarJarI bet the screenwriters had the exact same thought.

[Lobo]

Orko can be done, but I don't mind that he was left out as that script sounds awesome.

[TheVileOne]

-In related news, Skeletor is He-Man's uncle now? Gimme a break...
Keldor/Skeletor was the half-brother of King Randor in the original mini-comics. This was the case in the new 2002 series as well

I don't trust El Miyambe's overblown gushing that he always does over TRASH scripts. And I don't trust Justin Marks after reading his Voltron script.

OK for one thing. Why does a He-Man movie have to be dark, badass and all that other ********?

Have all of you forgotten where this thing came from? OK you want to de-cheesify I get it. But why did we watch this show when we were kids? To basically take all that out, then really what was good about the show at all? Why can't Orko be in it? Jar Jar syndrome, OK, but then how can you have all these other characters? Some of those other characters were if you watch them now are even cheesier and sillier than Orko at times. So you can have all these other evil Henchmen but you can't have Orko? Whatever. Stupidity. 2002 series showed that Orko can be a good character.

No Orko, and this movie is fail. He-Man is not 300 or LOTR. It's a dumb approach to take. Pirates of The Carribbean, the tone of those movies is a much better approach.

[Hunter Rider]

I like fresh adaptions of old dated material, this approach seems great to me, and **** Orko, Battlecat is there and that is all that matters. :oldrazz:

[BloodyWolverine]

He-Man needs a Transformers idea its ok to laugh ideals. I think Orko should look like her does in the cartoons but maybe more Like Uncle Montork whos magic just messes up. I am saying Make Orko like Yoda only more child like.

[terry78]

http://www.he-man.org/news_images/wave3-4_pics/orko.jpg

Orko can be done, but you don't have to make him a total retard, either. He can be funny without being stupid.

[TheVileOne]

I like fresh adaptions of old dated material, this approach seems great to me, and **** Orko, Battlecat is there and that is all that matters. :oldrazz:

Trying to copy 300 and LOTR is not fresh.

[nightcrawler01]

What's wrong with Orko? All you Orko haters need to lighten up. He's in it for the laughs. He's just a funny character put there for comic relief which I think we all need but if you look at the cartoon, all the characters make up the cartoon, not just Orko.

this darker He-Man is going to be so stupid. I mean, that's just what we need now a days is a movie that's dark with all the crap happening as is in real life.

And the naked Evil-Lynn? What the hell?!?!?!?!! Turning He-Man into a porno?

No thanks, I would not support it, I'd rather stick with the cartoon 2002 serious.

Give me a real He-Man movie with everyone.

[Hunter Rider]

Trying to copy 300 and LOTR is not fresh.

It's a fresh take for He-Man, and Christ man, you know as well as i do, genre and tone is only part of the puzzle, if using influence from great/successful films meant nothing would ever be fresh then we'd be living in a world of 20 movies. Your beloved Bourne for instance wouldn't be fresh at all if you took the mentality you are to this, you could say it's the French connection's ***** with a dollop of hand to hand combat.

[Lobo]

I like fresh adaptions of old dated material, this approach seems great to me, and **** Orko, Battlecat is there and that is all that matters. :oldrazz:

Why do you want to **** Orko? :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

Why do you want to **** Orko? :oldrazz:

More to the point where would i **** Orko ? :wow:

[Lobo]

Ear sex ftw :p

[BloodyWolverine]

What's wrong with Orko? All you Orko haters need to lighten up. He's in it for the laughs. He's just a funny character put there for comic relief which I think we all need but if you look at the cartoon, all the characters make up the cartoon, not just Orko.

this darker He-Man is going to be so stupid. I mean, that's just what we need now a days is a movie that's dark with all the crap happening as is in real life.

And the naked Evil-Lynn? What the hell?!?!?!?!! Turning He-Man into a porno?

No thanks, I would not support it, I'd rather stick with the cartoon 2002 serious.

Give me a real He-Man movie with everyone.
I love Orko and i loved his greatest episode was in the first cartoon series where he gest Gratamirs fire back. Orko should be in it for he Man at arms foil to the father figure but movie wise Orko should be more like Montork.

[Lobo]

This approach sounds great to me, and while I'd like the inclusion of Orko, his absence is not a bother to me. Hell maybe we could get an Easter egg like Evil Lyn or Skeletor wanting to send he-Man to Trolla.

[TheVileOne]

It's a fresh take for He-Man, and Christ man, you know as well as i do, genre and tone is only part of the puzzle, if using influence from great/successful films meant nothing would ever be fresh then we'd be living in a world of 20 movies. Your beloved Bourne for instance wouldn't be fresh at all if you took the mentality you are to this, you could say it's the French connection's ***** with a dollop of hand to hand combat.

The movies were based on a series of gritty cold war era spy novels. The tone and premise were generally left intact. And besides you hated the Bourne movies.

A fresh take for He-Man was the 2002 series. That did things with the characters, histories, and mythology that the 1980's series never even thought of.

More than that, a lot of the story elements in this Marks trash was basically copied from the 2002 series.

A creative writer, director, and storyteller could make Orko work.

Orko was in the Adam Rifkin draft of the He-Man movie script, and he generally worked in it. Problem was, the rest of the script was problematic. But Orko came off well.

[terry78]

Basically Orko would be a cuter, less conflicted version of Gollum, put it like that. Now if you want Battle Cat in it, but not have him talk, that's as far as I can go. But removing Orko as well...no.

[Lobo]

If he is copying from an excellent series why are you calling it trash? :huh:

[TheVileOne]

Because he that's what his scripts are. Tries to take these 1980's cartoons and make them "dark, gritty, and real". And he executes them poorly.

His Voltron script was disgraceful and disgusting.

[Hunter Rider]

The movies were based on a series of gritty cold war era spy novels. The tone and premise were generally left intact. And besides you hated the Bourne movies.

They were NOTHING like the books man, the tone of the movies were totally taken from the cinematic form of the movie i mentioned, and PLEASE don't be so silly, I love Bourne Identity and read my reviews of the others chief, then come back and say "Whoops sorry" b/c you're wrong, my only issue with the Bourne movies was you and your defense of anything said about them like they were your children or something.


A fresh take for He-Man was the 2002 series. That did things with the characters, histories, and mythology that the 1980's series never even thought of.

More than that, a lot of the story elements in this Marks trash was basically copied from the 2002 series.
A creative writer, director, and storyteller could make Orko work.

I saw the 2002 version, it was decent, this is a fresh more cinematic approach, you can call it trash but i think your mentality of how to approach it is trash, as for Orko, he doesn't matter, and many directors would leave his comic relief sillyness on the cutting room floor if they were trying to establish a tone. I don't really give a **** if they use Orko or not but your NEED for him is ridiculous.

[BloodyWolverine]

Orko should be like family for he shares Adams secret like man at arms and the sorceress does.

[Hunter Rider]

Because he that's what his scripts are. Tries to take these 1980's cartoons and make them "dark, gritty, and real". And he executes them poorly.

His Voltron script was disgraceful and disgusting.

Ugh, that's the fanboy talking and yet king of the Spidey defenders lol.

[BloodyWolverine]

I have been trying to write a he-man story i as a fan know it very well but no some things live action wise need changed. But He-Man can be serious and have funny parts in it like The Mummy and Transformers.

[TheVileOne]

They were NOTHING like the books man, the tone of the movies were totally taken from the cinematic form of the movie i mentioned, and PLEASE don't be so silly, I love Bourne Identity and read my reviews of the others chief, then come back and say "Whoops sorry" b/c you're wrong, my only issue with the Bourne movies was you and your defense of anything said about them like they were your children or something.

Your main issue is the hand held cinematography making you motion sick as I recall.

I saw the 2002 version, it was decent, this is a fresh more cinematic approach, you can call it trash but i think your mentality of how to approach it is trash, as for Orko, he doesn't matter, and many directors would leave his comic relief sillyness on the cutting room floor if they were trying to establish a tone. I don't really give a **** if they use Orko or not but your NEED for him is ridiculous.

It's not a need, but more or less its the outright rejection of what essentially was Masters of The Universe in the first place. Good directors not named George Lucas can make these characters work if they are creative about it.

Ugh, that's the fanboy talking and yet king of the Spidey defenders lol.

Most of which was valid. I don't spend a lot of time defending Spider-man 3 because in many ways it was a flawed, problematic, and disappointing movie. Just like Superman Returns, but I generally still enjoy both movies but they could've done better.

[Hunter Rider]

Your main issue is the hand held cinematography making you motion sick as I recall.

Partially and partially b/c i felt it ruined the fights, however look at the marks i gave the movies and then tell me how i "hated" them, in fact read my reivew of The Bourne Ultimatum after i watched a second time on DVD, i enjoyed it more without the overpowering shaky cam on the big screen.



It's not a need, but more or less its the outright rejection of what essentially was Masters of The Universe in the first place. Good directors not named George Lucas can make these characters work if they are creative about it.


No it isn't an outright rejection, he was a goofy character that was He-Man's buddy, not putting him just means they are going for an approach that doesn't fit with his sillyness, all the other main characters that are important to the mythos are there, you're being a fanboy about him man.



Most of which was valid. I don't spend a lot of time defending Spider-man 3 because in many ways it was a flawed, problematic, and disappointing movie. Just like Superman Returns, but I generally still enjoy both movies but they could've done better.

Valid in your eyes but not valid in the eyes of fanboys which is exactly what you're being here, you're them on the other side of the fence now. I had issues with SM3, even more on second viewing, but they weren't source material related, they were cinematic issues, same with SR.

[TheVileOne]

No it isn't an outright rejection, he was a goofy character that was He-Man's buddy, not putting him just means they are going for an approach that doesn't fit with his sillyness, all the other main characters that are important to the mythos are there, you're being a fanboy about him man.

If you think Orko was the only silly character considering everything else they've kept in then you know truly little about the original show.

Of course I'm being a fanboy. I'm posting here aren't I?

Valid in your eyes but not valid in the eyes of fanboys which is exactly what you're being here, you're them on the other side of the fence now. I had issues with SM3, even more on second viewing, but they weren't source material related, they were cinematic issues, same with SR.

My issues with both movies are also cinematic for the most part. The fanboy issues on the other two movies are mostly petty complaints and a miniscule minority.

[Hunter Rider]

If you think Orko was the only silly character considering everything else they've kept in then you know truly little about the original show.

Of course I'm being a fanboy. I'm posting here aren't I?

I never said he was the only silly character did I ? I watched the show religiously as a kid, so i know plenty about it thanks.

You're a fanboy when it suits you. And newsflash, me and Lobo are fanboys, why aren't we crying rivers ? maybe we need a new name, like Fanboy extreme or sumthin.



My issues with both movies are also cinematic for the most part. The fanboy issues on the other two movies are mostly petty complaints and a miniscule minority.

Like i said, a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.

Oh and my Bourne Ultimatum review.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13655555&postcount=1011

[BloodyWolverine]

I am a fan of the old cartoons and ina since He-Man had a sense of humor kinda like Superman and Spiderman really and to make it too serious like 2002 version is where i didn't care for it as much. You can mix humor and a serious toned movie. Skeletor is where you can be dark at but He-Man should not be like Arnold and more humor like The Rock would be.
Thats just my opinion.
It may not matter.

[DawnWarrior]

In regards to Orko, I would split the difference and just have Orko appear as the court jester, which is his actual job anyway. He would appear in the first act doing his little parlor tricks for the royal court, and then that's it. Die-hard fans get their Orko in the movie, and Orko-haters can enjoy the rest of the movie without him.

[Lobo]

I never said he was the only silly character did I ? I watched the show religiously as a kid, so i know plenty about it thanks.

You're a fanboy when it suits you. And newsflash, me and Lobo are fanboys, why aren't we crying rivers ? maybe we need a new name, like Fanboy extreme or sumthin.





Like i said, a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.

Oh and my Bourne Ultimatum review.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13655555&postcount=1011

I'm like Fanboy Supremus, however, I view live action adaptation's as just that, adaptation's not straight re-tellings, which would bore me as I've already seen it.

[Crowforge]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3336/d9hv2.jpg

[BloodyWolverine]

Um no i am aware many consider he-man to be gay but no this guy is not he-man. Muscles are not everything. I'd rather Have Batista as He-man then this guy.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn195/Ziyonna/batista.jpg

[TheVileOne]

I never said he was the only silly character did I ? I watched the show religiously as a kid, so i know plenty about it thanks.

Then there's a ton of other characters they could throw away for being too silly besides Orko that are in the actual script.

You're a fanboy when it suits you. And newsflash, me and Lobo are fanboys, why aren't we crying rivers ? maybe we need a new name, like Fanboy extreme or sumthin.

You seem to have this mindset that all fanboys have to think the same.



Like i said, a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.

I'm not sure what the hell this means. You seem to think to be a fanboy you have to have problems and complaints with those other movies. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Am I fanboy for having these problems with a potential MOTU movie, but I'm not a fanboy when I defend the first two Spider-man movies? As a fanboy, I think they are fine films. So I don't get the damage or Hunter Rider/Vince Russo/Vince McMahon/Glenn Gilberti logic here.

[Hunter Rider]

Then there's a ton of other characters they could throw away for being too silly besides Orko that are in the actual script. None of the characters in the script are anywhere near Orko as comic relief sillyness, his main purpose is jokes.



You seem to have this mindset that all fanboys have to think the same.

That's not what i said, hence Fanboy extreme.





I'm not sure what the hell this means. You seem to think to be a fanboy you have to have problems and complaints with those other movies. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Am I fanboy for having these problems with a potential MOTU movie, but I'm not a fanboy when I defend the first two Spider-man movies? As a fanboy, I think they are fine films. So I don't get the damage or Hunter Rider/Vince Russo/Vince McMahon/Glenn Gilberti logic here.

Hahaha! Nice try but no, It's easy to see what i mean, You're throwing pissy fits b/c Orko is out and yet you let loads of stuff slide with the Spidey movies b/c they may work cinematically, thus a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.

[Lobo]

I just bought volume 2 of the 02 series at Target for 17 bucks :D

[BloodyWolverine]

The last time the left out Orko as we know him Master OF The Universe was a huge flop.

[Jordacar]

Hahaha! Nice try but no, It's easy to see what i mean, You're throwing pissy fits b/c Orko is out and yet you let loads of stuff slide with the Spidey movies b/c they may work cinematically, thus a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.The only difference between the two being that the Spidey movies have been made while Grayskull hasn't. I'd say that's a pretty key distinction, "I hated that they changed this" vs. "I hope they don't change that."

[cronosred]

I just bought volume 2 of the 02 series at Target for 17 bucks :D

Did you get the exclusive one with the three extra cards?

[the_ultimate_evil]

I read the script review a few days ago, and now that I've spent a few days ruminating over El Mayimbe's gushing, I can give my reactions.

I can tell that Justin Marks & co. worked really hard trying to unite the whole medievel/tech aspects of Eternia that the show is so well known for, and it sound like they did a decent job of pulling that off. The prolog backstory mythology stuff is by far the highlight of the review for me.

Also, reading the story points and the changes from the 'toon that were made, I suddenly realized how profoundly attached and obsessed I am with "Secret of the Sword," the She-Ra origin movie that kick-started her series. I find that I have difficulty digesting many of the changes to the mythology that make arriving at SotS and She-Ra more difficult. (With this new Grayskull mythology, I can see them changing it so that Etheria and Eternia are parallel worlds and She-Ra's sword is that dimension's version of He-Man's sword.)

Now the spoilers, for those of you who prefer to skip the script reviews:
-I was not terribly fond of Randor's death. He should live. We've seen the "You killed my father" revenge business in too many movies as it is.

-In related news, Skeletor is He-Man's uncle now? Gimme a break...

-I didn't much care for the extended training sequence with Zodak. That seemed to be ripping off Batman Begins wholesale. However, the stuff about Prince Adam becoming "worthy" of entering Castle Grayskull and getting the sword sounded very good, but I think it's possible to maintain those themes without the years of fight training. And I really liked the Sorceress being the last surviving elder, or whatever it was.

-And I'll be honest with y'all, I was also bummed that Orko won't be in it. It feels like they're kinda chickening out by dropping Orko completely. Kinda.

That's all for now. I'll post my pics for cast shortly...

umm just a few things on your spoilers

skeletor and randor in every version of the show, mini comic etc are meant to be brothers/half brothers so the who uncle thing is nothing new

[Jordacar]

umm just a few things on your spoilers

skeletor and randor in every version of the show, mini comic etc are meant to be brothers/half brothers so the who uncle thing is nothing newI keep hearing that. I understand (now) it's in the old minicomics, but I don't remember that on either 'toon.

[terry78]

I keep hearing that. I understand (now) it's in the old minicomics, but I don't remember that on either 'toon.

The 2002 cartoon didn't outright say it but it was implied in a lot of the dialogue.

[Kevin Roegele]

Dolph Lundgren really was physically perfect for the role....

http://www.gmrmedia.com/dolph/gallery/pictures/dolph-m93.jpg

http://br.geocities.com/principeadam2001/filme/dolph2.jpg

[Dr. Fate]

Dolph Lundgren really was physically perfect for the role....

http://www.gmrmedia.com/dolph/gallery/pictures/dolph-m93.jpg

http://br.geocities.com/principeadam2001/filme/dolph2.jpg
No argument here.

I say Dolph Lundgren for King Randor!

[SamuraiSon6]

oh man those pictures take me back.....i may have to watch that old thing tonight!

[Dr. Fate]

oh man those pictures take me back.....i may have to watch that old thing tonight!
I watched it a few nights ago. Ah, nostalgia.

[Lobo]

Did you get the exclusive one with the three extra cards?

Yes :)

[Hunter Rider]

The only difference between the two being that the Spidey movies have been made while Grayskull hasn't. I'd say that's a pretty key distinction, "I hated that they changed this" vs. "I hope they don't change that."

The overall point is the same, if he could accept changes in Spidey and not whine then why not accept these changes and not whine ?

[Jordacar]

The overall point is the same, if he could accept changes in Spidey and not whine then why not accept these changes and not whine ?I'm glad you asked. I think it's because Grayskull hasn't been made yet, and many fanboys (including myself on occasion) like to think that all our collective griping might have some effect on these in-development projects, unlike the Spidey movies which are already done and have had their affect on the culture.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm glad you asked. I think it's because Grayskull hasn't been made yet, and many fanboys (including myself on occasion) like to think that all our collective griping might have some effect on these in-development projects, unlike the Spidey movies which are already done and have had their affect on the culture.

You'd think though, having seen Spidey and thought "Hey those changes worked out pretty well" one would put the early judging stick away.

[MattBearPig]

http://a900.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/93/l_d5b1b23dcd1ac47105789fe651033ecb.jpg

[TheVileOne]

Hahaha! Nice try but no, It's easy to see what i mean, You're throwing pissy fits b/c Orko is out and yet you let loads of stuff slide with the Spidey movies b/c they may work cinematically, thus a fanboy when it suits you and a cinema critic when it doesn't.

Stupid argument that still makes no sense.

I don't think I let anything slide with the Spidey films. The reason I don't have a problem with most of the changes are because they work. The movies were good movies. They were faithful to the comics, and many of the characters were perfectly presented. The tone and spirit of the stories were intact. A lot of the characters were there much the same way they existed in the original source material.

Changes were made in order to make it more viable as a film and they worked for the most part. Just like changes would be made to turn MOTU from animated into live action. Spider-man and MOTU are nothing alike. One was a comic book. The other was a Mattel 1980's toy line that became an animated series to help promote the toys.

There is no contradiction to not support the elimination of Orko. And there isn't a single legitimate reason why Orko needs to be eliminated besides suiting the needs of trying to make this movie a wannabe-300 or LOTR.

I've read one of Justin Marks "scripts", and the changes he tends to make are terrible.

[Hunter Rider]

Stupid argument that still makes no sense.

I don't think I let anything slide with the Spidey films. The reason I don't have a problem with most of the changes are because they work. The movies were good movies. They were faithful to the comics, and many of the characters were perfectly presented. The tone and spirit of the stories were intact. A lot of the characters were there much the same way they existed in the original source material.

Changes were made in order to make it more viable as a film and they worked for the most part. Just like changes would be made to turn MOTU from animated into live action. Spider-man and MOTU are nothing alike. One was a comic book. The other was a Mattel 1980's toy line that became an animated series to help promote the toys.

There is no contradiction to not support the elimination of Orko. And there isn't a single legitimate reason why Orko needs to be eliminated besides suiting the needs of trying to make this movie a wannabe-300 or LOTR.

I've read one of Justin Marks "scripts", and the changes he tends to make are terrible.

Haha! Your opening line is filled with irony given the lie filled paragraph that follows it. You're swimming in a pool of hypocrisy and you know it. There is no reason not to make He Man less goofy, Orko flies in the face of that b/c he is goofy, how hard is it for you to grasp this. :huh:

[Jordacar]

Settle down, Voltaire.
You'd think though, having seen Spidey and thought "Hey those changes worked out pretty well" one would put the early judging stick away.That heppens with some people, moreso as the movie draws closer to release. But I still think you're comparing apples to oranges by lumping two distinct phases of fanboy-griping into one.

[TheVileOne]

Haha! Your opening line is filled with irony given the lie filled paragraph that follows it. You're swimming in a pool of hypocrisy and you know it. There is no reason not to make He Man less goofy, Orko flies in the face of that b/c he is goofy, how hard is it for you to grasp this. :huh:

Then he can't be called He-Man either. And he can't say I Have The Power into the air with his sword. That's also way too goofy. Nothing like that in 300.

Marks idea of making Voltron "not goofy" was making it into trash.

There's nothing wrong with less goofy. But then hey why not just make Orko less goofy like the 2002 show and actually give him a logical character arc?

[Hunter Rider]

Settle down, Voltaire.
That heppens with some people, moreso as the movie draws closer to release. But I still think you're comparing apples to oranges by lumping two distinct phases of fanboy-griping into one.

I'm perfectly fine thanks, I go way back debating this stuff with Vile, i am not the least bit upset or heated.

Then he can't be called He-Man either. And he can't say I Have The Power into the air with his sword. That's also way too goofy. Nothing like that in 300.

Marks idea of making Voltron "not goofy" was making it into trash.

There's nothing wrong with less goofy. But then hey why not just make Orko less goofy like the 2002 show and actually give him a logical character arc?


There's nothing goofy about being called He-Man or saying that, i mean if so then BB must have been goofy as well right ? :huh:

Ugh. In...Your....opinion.........*Sigh*

Hey well why not just make him badass and give him armour ? I mean you were fine with these types of changes in the Spidey movies so with your "They can change the S**t out of the characters as long as there in" approach it should be fine right ? He was still goofy in 2002, i can't believe you are complaining this much about the sily little floating wizard and yet said nada about all the Spidey changes, it's mind boggling.

[Dr. Fate]

How about Thekla Reuten for the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull and/or Queen Marlena?

http://www.theklareuten.com/scripts/cropper.asp?i=uitsnedet021027.jpg&h=239&w=421

http://www.theklareuten.nl/img/thekla_large2.jpg


(15,000 posts!)

[Jordacar]

I mean you were fine with these types of changes in the Spidey movies so with your "They can change the S**t out of the characters as long as there in" approach it should be fine right ? He was still goofy in 2002, i can't believe you are complaining this much about the sily little floating wizard and yet said nada about all the Spidey changes, it's mind boggling.It's because Grayskull isn't a movie yet

[BloodyWolverine]

The sorceress of greyskull should be british or have a certain sound to her voice. Cate Blanchett is top on me list and Man At Arms should be Brian Cox or Sam Elliot or Robert Duvall if it were my casting choices.

[Hunter Rider]

It's because Grayskull isn't a movie yet

That makes even less sense then, b/c he has been shown that changes can work since he loves the Spidey movies with all their changes, so why cry rivers when he has proof it can work out for the best ? That's ridiculous.

[rogue trooper]

http://a900.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/93/l_d5b1b23dcd1ac47105789fe651033ecb.jpg

Is that Hordak or Skeletor?

[BloodyWolverine]

Awe heck no one is pay me any mind but i'll put my full dream cast list for He-Man.

1 He-Man- Karl Urban.

2 Prince Adam- The Kid From Supernatural and Gilmore Girls.

3 Teela- Erica Durance.

5 Man At Arms- Sam Elliot.

6 Skeletor- Hugo Weaving No Question.

7 Evil Lyn- Famka Janssen.

8 King Randor- Viggo Mortenson.

9 Queen Marlena- Kim Delaney.

10 The Sorcerss- Cate Blanchett.

11 Beastman- Ron Perlman.

12 Merman- Andy Serkis.

13 Trap Jaw- Tony Curren.

14 Spikore- Batista.

15 Ram Man- Tyler Bane.

16 Stratoes- Daniel Craig

17 Man E Faces- Robert Downy Jr.

18 Orko- Voiced by- Steve Carell.

[terry78]

For the brats not familiar with the greatness of Orko.


Character information
Orko is a "Trollan", a race of beings from Trolla, a world in another dimension. Trollans wear red robes, red hats, and hide their faces behind scarves. Apparently, in Trollan society, showing your face to each other is considered an intimate act, similar to humans sharing a kiss. There is a production drawing of Orko without his hat, in which he looks like a little blue elf, but it was never used in the series. Orko does reveal his face in an episode, but his back is turned and his face is not visible. Trollans appear to be blue-skinned humanoids with pointy ears. However, their feet remain hidden under their robes. Trollans have natural magical abilities, including levitation, which they exclusively use instead of walking. In one episode, Orko temporarily loses the power of levitation, and can be seen crawling around on his knees. Still, some Trollans have greater magical power than others; Orko's uncle, for example, is a famous magician.

Orko has always had trouble with his magical powers. A recurring joke in the series is that almost every time he tries to use magic, it backfires in some amusing way. The reason for this is not clear; in one episode, it is suggested that Trolla operates with natural laws that are the opposite of Eternia's, and that in Trolla, Orko was a good magician. However, in later episodes this is contradicted, and Orko is shown to be equally incompetent even on Trolla. Another episode indicates that Orko possessed a magical pendant that allowed him to use magic correctly, but that he later lost it. The amulet later turned up stuck on the back of a dinosaur resurrected by Skeletor. When Orko got back the amulet to erase the happening events, it goes back on the dinosaur before it all happens.

In addition to his magic spells, Orko also stores a plethora of items, some useful, some not-so-useful, inside his hat. The sheer number of things he stores inside the hat is impossibly great, suggesting that the hat itself is a bag of holding under some kind of magic spell.

Orko came to Eternia when a "cosmic storm" accidentally transported him there. He appeared in the Tar Swamps, where he found a young Prince Adam and his pet, Cringer, at the time a tiger cub, and saved them both from dying in the tar. However, he lost his pendant in the process after colliding with a tree.

Stuck on Eternia, Orko was made Royal Buffoon by the King of Eternia in gratitude for having saved his son. Orko became one of Adam's closest friends; in fact, Orko knows that Adam is secretly He-Man, although it is never revealed how he found out. However, Orko frequently annoys Man-At-Arms, due to his magic constantly backfiring or Orko coming into his lab unexpected and uninvited and messing with his equipment, which gets on Man-At-Arm's nerves rather than amusing him as it does others. Orko has proven to be a good friend and a valuable ally, despite his unpredictable powers and the fact he is more than a little clueless. Sometimes Orko wonders how useful he is to He-Man, but despite his apparent cowardliness, he never fails to help those in need.

Orko returns to Trolla, with the help of others, on a number of occasions. The first time, he helps He-Man save the life of several Trollans captured by a humanoid dragon called The Dragoon, and begins a romance with a Trollan girl named Dree Elle. However, he decides that his place is now on Eternia, and so he returns there. However, he still occasionally visits his friends and relatives on Trolla.

In the 2002 series, Orko is more or less the same, but it is revealed that he and Cringer followed Prince Adam to Castle Grayskull and watched him transform into He-Man for the first time. Orko then follows He-Man and the new Battle Cat into battle and almost reveals He-Man's identity to Teela and the other Masters, despite having been warned by both The Sorceress and He-Man not to. Fortunately, Man-At-Arms, who recognizes He-Man as the alter ego of Adam, quickly steps in and stops him, informing Teela and the other Masters that the new hero is He-Man and that the Sorceress had told him of He-Man's coming beforehand. In this series Orko was a very powerful wizard but when he came to Eternia and saved Prince Adam, he lost his wand, which was needed to control his magic. A flashback episode, "The Power of Grayskull", which reveals the history of Adam's ancestor King Grayskull, going on a quest for power to defend Eternia, and Grayskull encountered an Oracle who looked and sounded much like Orko, suggesting that other Trollans might have found their way to Eternia

[BloodyWolverine]

Well you forgot the fact Orko saved Prince Adam thus saving all of Eternia but i may have missed that part.
Orko is important and kinda is He-Man and Adams buddy really. I think as a Kid Adam and teela grew close to him and the Sorceress does all seh can to make hims saty when eh wanst to leave.

[Dr. Fate]

Is that Hordak or Skeletor?
Looks more like Hordak than Skeletor but I really can't be sure.

Still, that is a damn good piece of He-Man art there.

[the_ultimate_evil]

orko needs to be in the film, you have to remember that this is still a kids property, and mattel will and is planning toys even with the new collectors line shaping up, so they will need something to appeal to younger kids

[dark_b]

orko needs to be in the film, you have to remember that this is still a kids property, and mattel will and is planning toys even with the new collectors line shaping up, so they will need something to appeal to younger kidsthey will make an orko toy if he is in the movie or not.

they made a toy where hulk is ridding a bike. :o

[Frodo]

How about Thekla Reuten for the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull and/or Queen Marlena?

http://www.theklareuten.com/scripts/cropper.asp?i=uitsnedet021027.jpg&h=239&w=421

http://www.theklareuten.nl/img/thekla_large2.jpg


(15,000 posts!)

Wow, she's lovely. What films has she been in .

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I think if they change the look of orko I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[cronosred]

I think most people would be fine with Orko in the film if he's used in moderation, you could have a scene of him being the court jester and a couple scenes during the big battle where he tries to help out. As long as they don't go overboard I think he would be fine.

[The Guard]

Orko's omission won't make the movie fail. But it will be a missed element of the mythology.

[TheVileOne]

The types of changes being made and that we are talking about for MOTU are totally different and have nothing to do with changes made in Spider-man.

I imagine that the Trollan in THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL was more than likely Orko's uncle, since the creators of that show like to basically use similar backstories from the original series and minicomics and expand on them or basically give characters histories and backstories that were suggested but never shown.

[Kevin Roegele]

Whoever plays Skeletor, they really have a performance to live up to...no matter how bad you may think the 1987 movie is, Frank Langella is absolutely magnificent as the Lord of Snake Mountain.


http://www.starman-imaging.com/aug05/mastuniv1542qa.jpg

[TheVileOne]

There was nothing cheesy about Frank Langella's performance :p .

[BloodyWolverine]

Yes he really was Skeletor for one of movies greatest lines was Let This Be Our Final Battle. Anyone who watched heman loved that line.
Tomarrow i am going to type a first page on how i would right an opening for He-Man. Love an opinion.

[TheVileOne]

He even quoted Shakespeare.

[Hunter Rider]

The types of changes being made and that we are talking about for MOTU are totally different and have nothing to do with changes made in Spider-man.


:lmao: nicely slipped in amongst the other posts, but yeah it's the same.

[Lobo]

Yes he really was Skeletor for one of movies greatest lines was Let This Be Our Final Battle. Anyone who watched heman loved that line.
Tomarrow i am going to type a first page on how i would right an opening for He-Man. Love an opinion.

Tomorrow and write are spelled wrongly, if you want to have people look at your opening seriously, make sure you don't for get to use spell check ;).

[Dr. Fate]

Wow, she's lovely. What films has she been in .
Bunch of stuff, but the only thing I've seen her in is Highlander the Source.

Here's her IMDB page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0720671/

[Jordacar]

:lmao: nicely slipped in amongst the other posts, but yeah it's the same.Until it's greenlit and filmed, fans don't really have to accept anything. Until then, Marks' script is as legitimate as fanfiction.

[Dr. Fate]

Whoever plays Skeletor, they really have a performance to live up to...no matter how bad you may think the 1987 movie is, Frank Langella is absolutely magnificent as the Lord of Snake Mountain.


http://www.starman-imaging.com/aug05/mastuniv1542qa.jpg
This is one thing I will never argue against, Kev. Frank owned all as Skeletor.

[Mister J]

Whoever plays Skeletor, they really have a performance to live up to...no matter how bad you may think the 1987 movie is, Frank Langella is absolutely magnificent as the Lord of Snake Mountain.

This is one thing I will never argue against, Kev. Frank owned all as Skeletor.
Absolutely. His performance was great and the monologue as he conquered Grayskull was incredible.

[Hunter Rider]

Until it's greenlit and filmed, fans don't really have to accept anything. Until then, Marks' script is as legitimate as fanfiction.

That's not a loophole to excuse hypocrisy IMO b/c if it was green lit tomorrow he wouldn't suddenly be "oh it's cool".

[Jordacar]

That's not a loophole to excuse hypocrisy IMO b/c if it was green lit tomorrow he wouldn't suddenly be "oh it's cool".Hypocricy seems like a strong word for having an opinion. Besides, I never said TheVileOne or anyone else would suddenly change their minds at the greenlight, but that that would be the time to start accepting

[TheVileOne]

That's not a loophole to excuse hypocrisy IMO b/c if it was green lit tomorrow he wouldn't suddenly be "oh it's cool".

BS and not true.

[dark_b]

skeletors face mask was really good in the old movie. the guy who came up with the idea for this was briliant.

[Hunter Rider]

BS and not true.

It's not BS it's the truth, the very evidence is on this board.

[terry78]

You two are like an old married couple, not to be cliche. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Don't feel bad terry, you're always cliche'. :up:

[TNC9852002]

Last night, I had a vision of the beginnings of the He-Man movie to play out exactly like the old cartoon intro...Like, 300/Gladiator style..

I think it could work if they'd like to keep He-Man relatively family friendly, but also ominous and magical. Like the tone of the first three Harry Potter films.

-TNC

[Octoberist]

if warner bros is serious, it could work like a 300.

[TNC9852002]

Well...yes and no...I mean, only in terms of cinematography, but not visual style with a lot of slo-mo or a lot of CG backgrounds or anything like that. I see a lot of new possibilities in a He-Man movie in terms of visual style.

-TNC

[Kevin Roegele]

if warner bros is serious, it could work like a 300.

I think it'll be more like Lord of the Rings meets Star Wars with a lot of superhero movie elements added in.

[BloodyWolverine]

I wanna see He-mans strength used i mean i wanna see him lift a mountain or toss a dinsour. This is teh man who is basically superman in fury underwear.

[TheVileOne]

It's not BS it's the truth, the very evidence is on this board.

Prove it. After GI JOE was greenlit, I didn't fall in line with all the stupid changes and become a good little soldier like you are accusing me of.

[Hunter Rider]

Prove it. After GI JOE was greenlit, I didn't fall in line with all the stupid changes and become a good little soldier like you are accusing me of.
Your love of the Spider-Man movies proves you don't give a s**t about changes as long as they suit you.

[Jordacar]

Your love of the Spider-Man movies proves you don't give a s**t about changes as long as they suit you.Well gosh, kind of a lot has happened since those were greenlit

[Dr. Fate]

I think it'll be more like Lord of the Rings meets Star Wars with a lot of superhero movie elements added in.
Isn't that pretty much what He-Man's always been? A fusion of LOTR (or rather Conan if you believe the legends), Star Wars, and lots of classic superhero elements?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Langella seemed out of place in that movie, he was just that much better than everyone else in it, I go amongst men if you will.

[TheVileOne]

Your love of the Spider-Man movies proves you don't give a s**t about changes as long as they suit you.

Changes are fine if they make sense and ultimately benefit the movie. It's inevitable for all these movies based on other source material that significant changes were made. Iron Man didn't have an actual Jarvis and made him a computer AI program. Hogan was the driver and not much of a mook, and wasn't really involved with Pepper. The big reveal at the end and all that. But it was still a fantastic movie overall, and the tone and spirit of the characters and material was left intact. Downey Jr. proved all the doubters wrong and you couldn't have asked for a better Tony Stark.

Marks is not trustworthy to do a good job with this.

Once again, I see no reason why enjoying the Spider-man movies and being OK with most of the changes has anything to do with this situation.

Besides that Hunter Rider, according to you when this movie gets greenlit, I'm going to be its biggest cheerleader, which is not going to happen either.

Hunter Rider, if you were Hordak, I guarantee Horde Prime would put you in the void.

[Octoberist]

Vile One, you remind me of the bizarro version of another passionate member of the boards, The Guard. Don't know if you know his work or not.

[TheVileOne]

I know The Guard, and we recently came to an agreement on something with this project.

[Octoberist]

haha.

I don't know - I actually used to watch He-Man as a kid, but I wsn't a huge huge fan. More of a GI Joe/Transformers type of guy.

[Hunter Rider]

Changes are fine if they make sense and ultimately benefit the movie. It's inevitable for all these movies based on other source material that significant changes were made. Iron Man didn't have an actual Jarvis and made him a computer AI program. Hogan was the driver and not much of a mook, and wasn't really involved with Pepper. The big reveal at the end and all that. But it was still a fantastic movie overall, and the tone and spirit of the characters and material was left intact. Downey Jr. proved all the doubters wrong and you couldn't have asked for a better Tony Stark.

Marks is not trustworthy to do a good job with this.

So as i said, as long as you deem the changes to be good then it's fine.

Marks isn't trustworthy b/c he's had how many scripts made into movies ? Oh wait none, he's untrustworthy b/c you don't like his ideas.

Once again, I see no reason why enjoying the Spider-man movies and being OK with most of the changes has anything to do with this situation.

Read above for why.


Besides that Hunter Rider, according to you when this movie gets greenlit, I'm going to be its biggest cheerleader, which is not going to happen either.

Wrong, read that exchange between me and Jordacar again, that's the opposite of what i said, he seems to think you're only like this now b/c it's not being made yet, i was pointing out that i don't have to wait to have this argument with you b/c you AREN'T gonna suddenly change your mind if it's greenlit.


Hunter Rider, if you were Hordak, I guarantee Horde Prime would put you in the void.

:lmao: I haven't heard a line like that since i was 8.

[The Lizard]

In every new He-Man movie thread, I must repeat my desire for a big-screen appearance of...

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7461/lizardmanbg4.jpg

Lizard-Man!

[Dr. Fate]

How about Sigourney Weaver as the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull?

[Jordacar]

I think the Sorceress should definitely be played by a star

[Dr. Fate]

I think the Sorceress should definitely be played by a star
She should definitely be played by someone who projects a great deal of authority, strength, power, resolve, radiance, ethereal-ness, etc.

Michelle Pfeiffer would also be an acceptable Sorceress.

[Lobo]

I want Julianne Moore in that role :heart:

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I want Julianne Moore in that role :heart:
Ohhh, I totally dig that:up:

[BloodyWolverine]

In the center of the universe is a small blue planet about the size of Earth. It is said life began at this very part in space. For this reason it is said science and sorcery could come together without destory laws and theories.
The planet was known as Eternia the smaller sister plnet of Etheria which was conquored by Horde Prime and ruled by Lord Hordak.
Horde Prime set his sights on Eternia before but King Hiss proved to be too powerful a foe so he moved onto Etheria.

King Hiss ruled with an Iron fist of fear along with his 11,000 snakemen foot army. Until he came across two brothers a brave explorer and a brave sorceror. The Sorceror went in search for Eternias secret power while his brother stayed and built up a resistence against King Hiss.
The Sorceror went to the center of Eternia where its is said its power was at its strongest.

Lenor discovered a great abyss a seemingly crack to the center of eternia her self. While he slept he saw a vision and it was the 8 elders of Eternias past. He built a castle with the help of sand people who lived in the area known as the sands or time which connected to the Eternian desert. On his side however was The Evergreen Forest where his life was spared as he left his brother.

In no time the castle was built and a sword appeared through a doorway. A single sword that divided into two halfs. A voice spoke to him. Before you are the swords of Eternias greatest king and queen. They only can be used to protect eternia. The ones destined for them have not appeared yet but one day will."

"Help us defeat the snakemen." "You wield the power of eternia great sorceror king and you will find your enemies not too taxing when courage
and knowledge is with you." "Lenor became in that instant King Greyskull champion of all of eternia." "What happened storyteller?" "Well children he and his brother Mira who became the first King of Eternos faught and defeated the snakemen in one great battle."
"Orko what happened to King Greyskull." "Many say when his time came he vanished to join the elders and castle Greyskull has never been lived in again."
"But!" "No more stories today this old Trollan needs his rest."

The children leave the storyteller/ court wizard. "I like the Story of King Mira better." "Adam what brings you out too my humble street corner." "Man At Arms was worried." "As one can see not burn down anything." "If only i could get back too Trolla but no i stuck here with poor parlor tricks thanks too this strange place." Prince Adam was 17 years old and was fond of the old strange and often funny alien from thE land of Trolla. "Orko you have lived here for a long time and you say noone lives in Greyskull." "No why do you ask."

"Dreams really that is all." "Ah well dreams come and go young prince it is the way of things." Orko conjurns his old kettle pot and Adam comes closer. "What are you doing?" "I am trying too make me energy alexer again. I am feeling my age more often these days." The trollan in a red cape tunik and hat who seemed to be made of wind eyes glowed red as he cast the spell.

"Suddenly the cloud became dark." "Awe my too much black apple root it appears." Suddenly strange winged blue frogs fell to the ground and a large funnel came from the kettle." "Might want to keep your head down this could get nasty." Adam hangs onto a tree as high winds and ice sickles bombard the ground
The skys soon clear. "Um wonder what went wrong." "um Orko i think i'll be going home now." "See its why i cannot live at the palace for no magic can be controled anything can happen. Unfrotuntely is always happening too me."

[BloodyWolverine]

This is my attempt at an opening story. As you can see i decided to make Orko old and accident proned with his magic for i combined orko and montork really. I figure if you made a live action movie that Orko should be funny but not Jar JAR.

[Dr. Fate]

I want Julianne Moore in that role :heart:
Well that works too.

[TheVileOne]

It looks like you took a Gwildor/Yoda approach to Orko Bloody Wolverine. Or actually the "Oracle" version from POWER OF GRAYSKULL in the 2002 series. The Oracle was more than likely Orko's uncle who lived in Eternia in the past.

[BloodyWolverine]

Orko too me i would rather be just really old and his power fades in and out then a Jar Jar Binks. I love Orko no question but for a more grown up version Orko needed an upgrade.
There's nothing wrong with a Yoda character and well Orko knows He-Mans secret and is teh more frquent magic user. Recall The Sorceress has great power but she has none outside the walls of Greyskull. So magic for good will fall to Orko be it done right accidently or done wrong.
The best aspects of He-Man is The differant beings you find of eternia. I think it be funny if one scene Orko is having a chess game with Sky Tree for they are so well matched age wise. Or another scene is Orko and Gratamyr discuss the future with these younger eternians

[TheVileOne]

Your approach is at least more creative than Marks and the entirety of his piece of trash Voltron script. But its at least evocative of a character from the series who was either Orko or possibly Orko's kin.

[Dr. Fate]

How about Patrick Warburton as Ram-Man? :cwink: (nah I'm just kidding, pay no attention)

[MoPlaYa43]

I`d love to see a new He-Man movie!!!

[the_ultimate_evil]

In every new He-Man movie thread, I must repeat my desire for a big-screen appearance of...

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7461/lizardmanbg4.jpg

Lizard-Man!

i guess your disappointed that he can't be made as a toy again with the new classics line

[Dr. Fate]

How about James Cosmo for Man-At-Arms?

http://www.electricscotland.com/familytree/magazine/febmar2003/JAMES%20COSMO%20PORTRAIT.jpg

Or do you think he's too old?

[Eddie Dean]

Ted Levine for Man-At-Arms!
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5969/stottlemeyerry9.png

[DawnWarrior]

Okay, a lot of people mention the mini-comics. It seems to be as much accepted canon as either cartoon, sometimes moreso. My question: Is there a place I can read them? Is there a collection I can get somewhere? A website with detailed synopses maybe? I feel like I'm playing catch-up here.

[TheVileOne]

Now having read Marks new take on MOTU. Big time ugh. It's terrible and almost as bad if not worse than his Voltron script.

[Batspider77]

Okay, a lot of people mention the mini-comics. It seems to be as much accepted canon as either cartoon, sometimes moreso. My question: Is there a place I can read them? Is there a collection I can get somewhere? A website with detailed synopses maybe? I feel like I'm playing catch-up here.

Yes here.
http://www.he-man.org/primary_sects/comics/html/mini_comics/motu/index.shtml

[Dr. Fate]

Now having read Marks new take on MOTU. Big time ugh. It's terrible and almost as bad if not worse than his Voltron script.
I haven't even read the Voltron script... and now, I don't want to.

[Batspider77]

New Interview about the level of Reality in the new He-Man Movie...i like what i read so far about the Movie.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/08/14/he-man-movie-will-go-realistic-were-not-talking-about-putting-nipples-on-the-trapjaw-suit/

[Dr. Fate]

Can you imagine what would happen if they got Jim Caviezel to play Skeletor?

[Nightmare]

New Interview about the level of Reality in the new He-Man Movie...i like what i read so far about the Movie.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/08/14/he-man-movie-will-go-realistic-were-not-talking-about-putting-nipples-on-the-trapjaw-suit/


Cool. Who's playing he-man?

[terry78]

He didn't mention Orko, so that's neither a yes or a no on that. My thought is, if they're going for an LOTR style realism, Orko works in the same manner that Gollum did. He can be somewhat funny, but make him an actual character alongside the rest of them.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But..........if it's realistic, then, every single character has a preposterously stupid name. :huh:

LOTR-style realism....starring a guy named "HE-MAN", who fights "Skeletor"....are they going to run into Buzz-Off and Fisto ?

[Gotham]

Cool. Who's playing he-man?

I don't think it's been announced yet.

[union_jak]

Fisto's a hilarious name.

[Jordacar]

Yes here.
http://www.he-man.org/primary_sects/comics/html/mini_comics/motu/index.shtml
Thanks! I've been looking for those too.
Anyway, there's another script review up, and it's not as positive as Mayimbe's:
http://www.cc2k.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1392

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

Cool. Who's playing he-man?

Nobody yet. There's no director, and directors do the casting.

Just so everyone knows, I agree with TVO's assessment of the script. As an aspiring screenwriter, I realized "I REALLY should get Marks' agent, if he can kep pulling down these plum assignments." About halfway through, I kept thinking "Joel Silver paid money for this. JOE SILVER PAID MONEY FOR THIS."

King Randor gets a very brief speech before he dies. We get one line from Man-At-Arms before Skeletor's big attack. We don't meet Teela until much later, and Teela and Adam don't know each other until them. Skeletor's a puss, with nowhere near the greatness and power of Langella's version.

What really strikes me about this script is how much Marks seems to be going "Hey, lookit! He-Man can be cool! It has blood!" as if trying to make people forget this was a cartoon.

There is nothing about Adam's secret identity being He-Man; they don't really try to differentiate the two characters; He-Man is Adam with superpowers.

Folks, we're getting a mediocre MOTU movie if they film this script as is. The GI Joe script had a lot more changes, but at least all of the characters had some life to them and were memorable, even the more minor characters like Breaker and Heavy Duty.

I always roll my eyes at people who feel competitive with others in their line of work. Like actors who ***** about another actor getting a part because of their looks, not their talent, and whatnot, so I am loathe to do this myself. But seriously- how does Marks get all of these jobs? How did he break into the business? You usually need a spec script to do that, but I haven't heard of any such thing from him. Are producers swayed by the obvious passion he displays for his projects, the end result notwithstanding?

Or does he just have no gag reflex?

But fanboys will probably love it since it's fairly faithful to the cartoon, albeit with the "LETZ MAKE IT BADASZ" attitude some have for source material derived from juvenile entertainment.

Actually, TVO and I spoke via PMs about this script, and he's about the last person I would ever think as reluctant to openly criticize something, so I doubt he'll mind me sharing his thoughts. They are a little more spoiler laden than what I wrote, so I hid themHey man. Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you on this. I got really slammed after SDCC. Thanks so much for sending these along to me as well. If you ever want me to read some of your material, please let me know.

Basically, this script, ugh. Well it didn't really feel like a He-Man script. Now having read Marks' VOLTRON script and this one, I really don't like his writing.

Things happen in the first act of this one way too quickly. We barely get to know Adam before Skeletor takes over, kills Randor, and then he gets taken in by Zodac who mentors him, and then Zodac gets killed like two pages later. The script sort of reminded me of that trashy ERAGON movie. Kind of like that.

Unfortunately none of this scene really measures up to that opening sequence in Conan at all. And Adam's a bit of a punk, so you don't really like him at first.

But I don't get why they need to destroy everything at the beginning. I see no point in killing Randor and having Skeletor taking over Eternia right off the bat.

Exactly. Man-At-Arms barely even feels like a character. Teela comes into the second and its like she's his daughter that Adam interacted with? WTF? Shouldn't we see them clowning around as kids or something so its kind of like . . . you don't need Man-At-Arms to have those throwaway lines. You also lose the chance of setting up an early romantic subplot maybe with Adam/Teela.

Right off the bat they make Teela the skeptical, annoying ***** - LAME.

In the animated series, we meet Teela and we know that she's a badass great fighter, and basically Adam's superior.

Its an interesting idea, but it sucks for Skeletor. The other thing in this story, they really made Skeletor this kind of whiney, *****. I think that's why it sucks they made him in charge of Eternia because then its lame and boring. Skeletor's never supposed to take over Eternia.

I like Skeletor as an evil genius who has only one, true weakness - HORDAK. As powerful as Skeletor is, he has to answer to a higher power who could end his life at any second. The new series really got this down in the second season.

Marks misses so much in this script, but Skeletor is the worst. Honestly it makes no sense to me why a sword of darkness would make him Skeletor. Randor causing his deformation or nearly killing him would at least give a reason to have Keldor want to usurp him.

If they are serious about this, a lot of work needs to be done. The characters in this script are barely even characters. The first act is totally wonky, and the whole character arc of Adam is kind of weak.

Here's where the script fails because it just doesn't do it. It basically needs to just be Skeletor and the Evil Warriors vs. He-Man and the Masters of The Universe. That's it. We don't need this ridiculous first half of Skeletor actually winning and taking over Eternia. A simple prologue with the creation of the light and dark hemispheres, maybe a little King Grayskull and Hordak, then go into the Masters, King Randor, Adam, etc.

Who is this Lennox character? Instead of Lennox, give us Orko. Why set up these dumb pointless characters no one cares about?

Of all the other masters to pick other than Teela and Man-At-Arms we only get Fisto and Mek-A-Nek. But none of that really becomes clear until really late into it. Before then the characters aren't interesting at all. Logan's a deserter and a traitor but he becomes good again at the end. LAME.

Marks makes some of the silliest, and most pointless choices ever. Evil-Lyn, you can get so much mileage out of that character, so why not you know . . . keep her alive? So silly to just kill her off like that, and she barely does anything.

Why can we have wizards but we can't have Orko? Seriously, give Orko a try and make him kind of like the movie's Yoda. Orko can be done and he can be a good character.

Reading this script just reaffirms that El Mayimbe is one of the worst script readers of all time.

[the_ultimate_evil]

the more and more i hear about this script, the more i think wtf

i mean skeletor kills evil-lyn half way through the film. we get some new wizard character but not orko

[terry78]

I am going right now to find my old Masters sleeping bag featuring Orko prominently fighting against the Horde alongside the other characters. That is how angry I am.

[TheVileOne]

Bug Eyed Earl, no prob with posting the comments. In fact I wrote an even more organized, heavy spoiler-laded script review on the He-Man.org forums. I'll them in tags:

First having read the Latino Review script, I found El Mayimbe's write-up really questionable. The reason being that I read El Mayimbe's ultra-favorable write-up for the Voltron script . . . written by Justin Marks. And then I read that same Voltron script by Justin Marks, and it was not as good as Latino Review claimed it to be.

I've always kind of found Mayimbe's script reviews very weird and especially non-critical. And that's not really a bad thing. It just feels like he's either milking it, but well . . . this script does not have the makings of a great movie or an awesome action/adventure/fantasy franchise.

Now the draft I read might be a first draft. It's dated 3 months ago. So I'm not sure if anything has been changed. However, usually with scripts like this, the first draft is the biggest and craziest and it's pared down from that.

This will be a spoiler-laden report. But more than anything, I think Marks doesn't get the material or characters at all, and his attempts to make it "dark, gritty, relevant, TDK, 300" are all terrible and he fails miserably.

Now I understand wanting to maybe edge and harden MOTU up some. This script goes about it in the totally wrong way.

But ultimately. Look at these forums. These toys. The cartoons. The comics. Everything. We embrace it. We embrace the parts of He-Man that maybe are a little sillier that require some suspension of disbelief. We embrace Skeletor all that he is, and we like Skeletor. And we embrace He-Man/Prince Adam. This script simply doesn't embrace those basic, significant things about He-Man.

Now I'm not sure if many remember, but a while back Adam Rifkin (Detroit Rock City) also wrote a MOTU script. And it was also problematic. But the thing I'm seeing is that both scripts seem to have a big problem with the whole transformation of Adam/He-Man. The duality of Adam and He-Man. It's weird. Two cartoons could do it. The 2002 series did it very well. But the live action movies seem totally clueless on its approach. They don't want to cast two actors as the characters. Or they want to age Adam older in this script so he's already older and stronger like He-Man.

This script, oh boy, this script. OK, the prologue. The prologue is not bad really. Except that you know, the easy choice is that the big bad guy in this part is HELLO, Hordak. If they want this to be their new LOTR so badly, then you make Hordak your Sauron of the pictures. Marks simply won't call the dude Hordak. It needs to be Hordak. And if not Hordak, his brother Horde Prime. So if you are going to use King Grayskull like the animated show, then just go ahead and use Hordak.

Transformation of Skeletor is as weak and disappointing as possible. Evil-Lyn leads him to the "sword of darkness", Keldor takes, it and it erodes his body and makes him Skeletor. Not only that, but it puts Skeletor's body in an almost, weak, vulnerable, disintegrating state. In short, this script has made Skeletor both physically and mentally weak. This feels like a mistake to make the birth of Skeletor such an event that's independent of so much in the rest of the script.

Now say what you will about the 1987 movie. But Frank Langella at least was a decent Skeletor, and he made his Skeletor cool and sinister. The Skeletor in this script in short is whiney.

This script is quite telling why they never had Skeletor win and take over Eternia in the cartoons because then the story is boring. Skeletor's never supposed to take over Eternia. Skeletor takes over Eternia in this script after killing Randor and taking the throne. And then Skeletor whines about the people he tortures and maims about not loving him as much as Randor. Taking over Eternia and claiming what he believes is rightfully his at least gives Skeletor an egomaniacal goal in place. The Skeletor in this script really has no goal. It doesn't necessarily have to be this way, but a better take on Skeletor would be Skeletor as an evil genius who has only one, true weakness - HORDAK. As powerful as Skeletor is, he has to answer to a higher power who could end his life at any second. The new series really got this down in the second season.

The need to destroy everything at the beginning hurts the script. There's no reason to do this. There is no point in killing Randor and having Skeletor taking over Eternia right off the bat. Someone will say, the point is to give Adam a character arc and make him want revenge against Skeletor. BOO-urns. Sorry, but that's not He-Man. He-Man is not Batman.

However, if this is the direction they are taking, in this script it does not work. Adam and Randor are barely even established as characters before everything goes to hell. Randor tries to tell Adam to shape up, then Skeletor comes in, boom, kills Randor. Kronis (aka Trap-Jaw) turns on Man-At-Arms and helps Skeletor take over. Man-At-Arms helps Adam escape because he's meant to be the savior of Eternia.

So that's the setup. All we really know about Adam is that he's a bit of a punk, and he wants revenge against Skeletor. So all in this first act, things happen in the first act of this one way too quickly. And in a very cliched, hackneyed manner. The events evolve in a very obligatory manner.

The cosmic warrior Zodak picks up Adam. Zodak who mentors him, and trains Adam in the ways of the sword, and then Zodak gets killed like two pages later. So that's it for Zodak. Marks just manages to fit him in for about five pages in the first act to train Adam and then Zodak who is supposed to be a Master of the Universe and a cosmic warrior. Yet Zodak dies easier than a red shirt on Star Trek. This is a shoddy attempt at duplicating the version of Zodak from the new series, which was actually a cool, badass version of Zodak. A Zodak who actually had some flaws and pathos. Not here.

Man-At-Arms barely even feels like a character as well. Man-At-Arms is reintroduced when its revealed to Adam that Duncan and Teela have been fighting a resistance movement for the last 7 years of Skeletor's rule.

Teela comes into the second act, and Duncan is like, "You remember Teela, don't you?" Adam in fact does not remember Teela at all. And how should the audience? We never even see Teela at the palace before everything fell. So there's no established relationship there where there clearly should. A way to help set-up Teela as a strong fighter and warrior even at a young age, someone who could even best Adam in combat exercises, which gives a kind of good way to set up some tension between them. But shouldn't we see them clowning around as kids or something so you don't need Man-At-Arms to have those throwaway lines. You also lose the chance of setting up an early romantic subplot maybe with Adam/Teela.

Right off the bat the script makes Teela the skeptical, annoying idiot. Anyone remember the movie TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE? Remember Chris, the agitated martial artist that automatically hates the main character, Gary, and is always insulting him and acting skeptical of his motives? That's basically Teela in this script without the cursing, and she's a girl. That's it. Most of Teela's dialogue kind of makes you want to respond, "Shut up woman, I'm trying to help!"

Also, remember earlier I talked about those basic things that we love about this material that the script just doesn't do? Well basically this movie needs to just be Skeletor and the Evil Warriors vs. He-Man and the Masters of The Universe. That's it. We don't need this ridiculous first half of Skeletor actually winning and taking over Eternia. A simple prologue with the creation of the light and dark hemispheres, maybe a little King Grayskull and Hordak, then go into the Masters, King Randor, Adam, etc. Then we have He-Man and the Masters vs. Skeletor and the Evil Warriors.

Who is this wizard Lennox character? Instead of Lennox, give us Orko. Why set up these dumb pointless characters no one cares about? Orko can be done well. The script kind of has this high and mighty attitude. We won't do the "cheesy, silly" stuff like Cringer or Orko, but we will have tons of cliche, hackneyed, bad dialogue and the least compelling drama possible! Again, those things about MOTU are what they really need to just embrace and try to work around.

Of all the other masters to pick other than Teela and Man-At-Arms we only get Fisto and Mek-A-Nek. But none of that really becomes clear until really late into it. Fisto starts out as a wounded vet in Duncan's rebel army by the name of Col. Logan (more Boo-urns). Fisto doesn't like that Duncan is betting everything on Adam and the prophecy of the sword of light. So what does Fisto do? He betrays the army to Skeletor in order to "save" them. And then what does Skeletor do? Sends his army after them to kill them! And then Fisto is all like, "Oh noez! That's not what I wanted!" Fisto for some inexplicable reason is let back into the good guy camp without really redeeming himself. Lame, lame, lame.

This is another problem with Justin Marks scripts. Besides that his writing and dialogue if very trite, hackneyed, half-baked, and cliched . . . he telegraphs EVERYTHING. His Voltron script has a character like Fisto that does the exact same thing. And he does it in pretty much the same way. In the Voltron script, Marks totally telegraphs it there as well. There's not really any good suspense, build-up, surprise, or drama to it.

Evil-Lyn in the script starts out as a manipulative seductress and then . . . Skeletor kills her about the middle of the way in when she tries to seduce Adam to the dark side. She also taunts Adam about his anger and wanting to kill Skeletor. Wow, surely Adam wouldn't take revenge on Skeletor instead of helping the people of Eternia right, even though taking revenge on Skeletor would basically help everybody. Marks telegraphs and really kills this sub-plot as well. You don't care about the Adam revenge subplot at all.

Also why kill Evil-Lyn like this? Evil-Lyn's a great character you can get so much mileage out of, yet the script definitively offs her just like that. Sure it might cement that Skeletor doesn't play around and he will kill you if you mess up, but there are other ways to do this. Good thing though that Evil-Lyn doesn't even come off like a fraction of a good character because you don't care when she does die either.

Why can we have wizards but we can't have Orko? Seriously, give Orko a try and make him kind of like the movie's Yoda. Orko can be done and he can be a good character.

So the climax of the Adam revenge plot. Adam gets the sword of light and turns into a half-baked version of He-Man that's still really Prince Adam. He fights Skeletor, and Skeletor taunts Adam about Randor to make Adam angry. Skeletor tries to threaten Teela, and then Adam does the switcheroo and he gets both the swords and combines them and becomes uber-Adam. Instead of taking revenge on Skeletor, Adam turns the other cheek. And then 2 seconds later, Skeletor automatically turns into a billion little pieces. OK . . . so . . . yeah, Skeletor was screwed either way, so it doesn't really matter. But what if Adam had destroyed Skeletor not for revenge but to save Eternia, wouldn't that have been OK?

Reading this script just reaffirms that El Mayimbe is one of the worst script readers of all time. From reading the script, if I could compare it to anything, the strongest example that comes to mind is ERAGON. Yes, I know, I know. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, 300, LOTR, yadda yadda yadda. Unfortunately we aren't dealing with the likes of Chris Nolan, Zach Snyder, Peter Jackson, and Jonah Nolan here. The script really just comes off the most like that ERAGON movie unfortunately, and it pains me to say that.

Another problem that I want to address with regards to the Rifkin script, the Marks script for MOTU, and the Marks script for Voltron. We don't get to see, what we really want to see until the end.

What is this at the end of the day? It's a He-Man movie. So give people He-Man. Don't wait until the last 10 minutes to do a half-baked version of He-Man that's still basically Prince Adam. You got to go full on He-Man. This script doesn't want to do that. The Rifkin script does a similar execution of He-Man at the end, except it has this weird sub-plot where Adam is gradually, physically growing into He-Man over the course of the running time.

In the Voltron script, Voltron doesn't actually appear until the very, very end. Just like this script with He-Man. Lame.

So some will say, just getting a live action He-Man movie is what's important. But if that is the case, you still have 1987 movie. I'd rather not settle for something if this is what they plan on shooting. If they do go through with it, hopefully some major re-writes or done and they fix this up. Because this does not look like a money script.


This script is as far from REALISTIC as possible.

[Batspider77]

After rewatching "Gangs of New York" i must say my first Choice for Skeletor would be Daniel Day-Lewis.

[BloodyWolverine]

Nah its easy for Skull Face it should be Hugo Weaving in my opinion. Randor should be played by Benard Hill or Brian Cox. Duncan i am not sure about but J.K Simmons, Or Liam Neeson would work for me.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wow, TheVileOne, have you ever seen an episode of the original He-Man ?

One reason there's going to be a problem with the Prince Adam/He-Man identities? They were 100% retarded in the cartoon. He's exactly the same dude, only, with his shirt off, and furry underwear on instead of tights. He's not even as deceptively hidden as Clark Kent was with his glasses on.

Teela - a raging, skeptical, annoying b****...constantly nagging and complaining.

Skeletor - Very stupid, weak, no threat to He-Man at all (that was one reason, I believe, it was Paul Dini?, said that he couldn't write episodes anymore, because they were told to make Skeletor non-threatening, and never let him get the upper hand...so he'd just lose, lose, lose...and people were like, "Can't Skeletor not **** up and win a little, for once?"). He was a lot like the Three Stooges, screwing up and then bopping his henchmen on the head in anger...and the biggest whiner on Eternia....and a coward. His voice is so preternaturally whiny, that my friend and I do funny, whining Skeletor vocal jokes to this day.

Orko - Any He-Man fan wants to see Orko in live action, but as a "Yoda" ? Heh, no...he was an idiot, pulling rocks, socks and clocks out of his hat.

[Batspider77]

Nah its easy for Skull Face it should be Hugo Weaving in my opinion. Randor should be played by Benard Hill or Brian Cox. Duncan i am not sure about but J.K Simmons, Or Liam Neeson would work for me.

Liam Neeson as Man At Arms?:up::up::up:Perfect Choise.

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

Wow, TheVileOne, have you ever seen an episode of the original He-Man ?

One reason there's going to be a problem with the Prince Adam/He-Man identities? They were 100% retarded in the cartoon. He's exactly the same dude, only, with his shirt off, and furry underwear on instead of tights. He's not even as deceptively hidden as Clark Kent was with his glasses on.

Teela - a raging, skeptical, annoying b****...constantly nagging and complaining.

Skeletor - Very stupid, weak, no threat to He-Man at all (that was one reason, I believe, it was Paul Dini?, said that he couldn't write episodes anymore, because they were told to make Skeletor non-threatening, and never let him get the upper hand...so he'd just lose, lose, lose...and people were like, "Can't Skeletor not **** up and win a little, for once?"). He was a lot like the Three Stooges, screwing up and then bopping his henchmen on the head in anger...and the biggest whiner on Eternia....and a coward. His voice is so preternaturally whiny, that my friend and I do funny, whining Skeletor vocal jokes to this day.

Orko - Any He-Man fan wants to see Orko in live action, but as a "Yoda" ? Heh, no...he was an idiot, pulling rocks, socks and clocks out of his hat.

In the 2002 show, Adam and He-Man were physically very different. And I'm pretty sure every fan of MOTU wants Skeletor to be more capable than in the cartoon.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Bug Eyed Earl, no prob with posting the comments. In fact I wrote an even more organized, heavy spoiler-laded script review on the He-Man.org forums. I'll them in tags:

First having read the Latino Review script, I found El Mayimbe's write-up really questionable. The reason being that I read El Mayimbe's ultra-favorable write-up for the Voltron script . . . written by Justin Marks. And then I read that same Voltron script by Justin Marks, and it was not as good as Latino Review claimed it to be.

I've always kind of found Mayimbe's script reviews very weird and especially non-critical. And that's not really a bad thing. It just feels like he's either milking it, but well . . . this script does not have the makings of a great movie or an awesome action/adventure/fantasy franchise.

Now the draft I read might be a first draft. It's dated 3 months ago. So I'm not sure if anything has been changed. However, usually with scripts like this, the first draft is the biggest and craziest and it's pared down from that.

This will be a spoiler-laden report. But more than anything, I think Marks doesn't get the material or characters at all, and his attempts to make it "dark, gritty, relevant, TDK, 300" are all terrible and he fails miserably.

Now I understand wanting to maybe edge and harden MOTU up some. This script goes about it in the totally wrong way.

But ultimately. Look at these forums. These toys. The cartoons. The comics. Everything. We embrace it. We embrace the parts of He-Man that maybe are a little sillier that require some suspension of disbelief. We embrace Skeletor all that he is, and we like Skeletor. And we embrace He-Man/Prince Adam. This script simply doesn't embrace those basic, significant things about He-Man.

Now I'm not sure if many remember, but a while back Adam Rifkin (Detroit Rock City) also wrote a MOTU script. And it was also problematic. But the thing I'm seeing is that both scripts seem to have a big problem with the whole transformation of Adam/He-Man. The duality of Adam and He-Man. It's weird. Two cartoons could do it. The 2002 series did it very well. But the live action movies seem totally clueless on its approach. They don't want to cast two actors as the characters. Or they want to age Adam older in this script so he's already older and stronger like He-Man.

This script, oh boy, this script. OK, the prologue. The prologue is not bad really. Except that you know, the easy choice is that the big bad guy in this part is HELLO, Hordak. If they want this to be their new LOTR so badly, then you make Hordak your Sauron of the pictures. Marks simply won't call the dude Hordak. It needs to be Hordak. And if not Hordak, his brother Horde Prime. So if you are going to use King Grayskull like the animated show, then just go ahead and use Hordak.

Transformation of Skeletor is as weak and disappointing as possible. Evil-Lyn leads him to the "sword of darkness", Keldor takes, it and it erodes his body and makes him Skeletor. Not only that, but it puts Skeletor's body in an almost, weak, vulnerable, disintegrating state. In short, this script has made Skeletor both physically and mentally weak. This feels like a mistake to make the birth of Skeletor such an event that's independent of so much in the rest of the script.

Now say what you will about the 1987 movie. But Frank Langella at least was a decent Skeletor, and he made his Skeletor cool and sinister. The Skeletor in this script in short is whiney.

This script is quite telling why they never had Skeletor win and take over Eternia in the cartoons because then the story is boring. Skeletor's never supposed to take over Eternia. Skeletor takes over Eternia in this script after killing Randor and taking the throne. And then Skeletor whines about the people he tortures and maims about not loving him as much as Randor. Taking over Eternia and claiming what he believes is rightfully his at least gives Skeletor an egomaniacal goal in place. The Skeletor in this script really has no goal. It doesn't necessarily have to be this way, but a better take on Skeletor would be Skeletor as an evil genius who has only one, true weakness - HORDAK. As powerful as Skeletor is, he has to answer to a higher power who could end his life at any second. The new series really got this down in the second season.

The need to destroy everything at the beginning hurts the script. There's no reason to do this. There is no point in killing Randor and having Skeletor taking over Eternia right off the bat. Someone will say, the point is to give Adam a character arc and make him want revenge against Skeletor. BOO-urns. Sorry, but that's not He-Man. He-Man is not Batman.

However, if this is the direction they are taking, in this script it does not work. Adam and Randor are barely even established as characters before everything goes to hell. Randor tries to tell Adam to shape up, then Skeletor comes in, boom, kills Randor. Kronis (aka Trap-Jaw) turns on Man-At-Arms and helps Skeletor take over. Man-At-Arms helps Adam escape because he's meant to be the savior of Eternia.

So that's the setup. All we really know about Adam is that he's a bit of a punk, and he wants revenge against Skeletor. So all in this first act, things happen in the first act of this one way too quickly. And in a very cliched, hackneyed manner. The events evolve in a very obligatory manner.

The cosmic warrior Zodak picks up Adam. Zodak who mentors him, and trains Adam in the ways of the sword, and then Zodak gets killed like two pages later. So that's it for Zodak. Marks just manages to fit him in for about five pages in the first act to train Adam and then Zodak who is supposed to be a Master of the Universe and a cosmic warrior. Yet Zodak dies easier than a red shirt on Star Trek. This is a shoddy attempt at duplicating the version of Zodak from the new series, which was actually a cool, badass version of Zodak. A Zodak who actually had some flaws and pathos. Not here.

Man-At-Arms barely even feels like a character as well. Man-At-Arms is reintroduced when its revealed to Adam that Duncan and Teela have been fighting a resistance movement for the last 7 years of Skeletor's rule.

Teela comes into the second act, and Duncan is like, "You remember Teela, don't you?" Adam in fact does not remember Teela at all. And how should the audience? We never even see Teela at the palace before everything fell. So there's no established relationship there where there clearly should. A way to help set-up Teela as a strong fighter and warrior even at a young age, someone who could even best Adam in combat exercises, which gives a kind of good way to set up some tension between them. But shouldn't we see them clowning around as kids or something so you don't need Man-At-Arms to have those throwaway lines. You also lose the chance of setting up an early romantic subplot maybe with Adam/Teela.

Right off the bat the script makes Teela the skeptical, annoying idiot. Anyone remember the movie TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE? Remember Chris, the agitated martial artist that automatically hates the main character, Gary, and is always insulting him and acting skeptical of his motives? That's basically Teela in this script without the cursing, and she's a girl. That's it. Most of Teela's dialogue kind of makes you want to respond, "Shut up woman, I'm trying to help!"

Also, remember earlier I talked about those basic things that we love about this material that the script just doesn't do? Well basically this movie needs to just be Skeletor and the Evil Warriors vs. He-Man and the Masters of The Universe. That's it. We don't need this ridiculous first half of Skeletor actually winning and taking over Eternia. A simple prologue with the creation of the light and dark hemispheres, maybe a little King Grayskull and Hordak, then go into the Masters, King Randor, Adam, etc. Then we have He-Man and the Masters vs. Skeletor and the Evil Warriors.

Who is this wizard Lennox character? Instead of Lennox, give us Orko. Why set up these dumb pointless characters no one cares about? Orko can be done well. The script kind of has this high and mighty attitude. We won't do the "cheesy, silly" stuff like Cringer or Orko, but we will have tons of cliche, hackneyed, bad dialogue and the least compelling drama possible! Again, those things about MOTU are what they really need to just embrace and try to work around.

Of all the other masters to pick other than Teela and Man-At-Arms we only get Fisto and Mek-A-Nek. But none of that really becomes clear until really late into it. Fisto starts out as a wounded vet in Duncan's rebel army by the name of Col. Logan (more Boo-urns). Fisto doesn't like that Duncan is betting everything on Adam and the prophecy of the sword of light. So what does Fisto do? He betrays the army to Skeletor in order to "save" them. And then what does Skeletor do? Sends his army after them to kill them! And then Fisto is all like, "Oh noez! That's not what I wanted!" Fisto for some inexplicable reason is let back into the good guy camp without really redeeming himself. Lame, lame, lame.

This is another problem with Justin Marks scripts. Besides that his writing and dialogue if very trite, hackneyed, half-baked, and cliched . . . he telegraphs EVERYTHING. His Voltron script has a character like Fisto that does the exact same thing. And he does it in pretty much the same way. In the Voltron script, Marks totally telegraphs it there as well. There's not really any good suspense, build-up, surprise, or drama to it.

Evil-Lyn in the script starts out as a manipulative seductress and then . . . Skeletor kills her about the middle of the way in when she tries to seduce Adam to the dark side. She also taunts Adam about his anger and wanting to kill Skeletor. Wow, surely Adam wouldn't take revenge on Skeletor instead of helping the people of Eternia right, even though taking revenge on Skeletor would basically help everybody. Marks telegraphs and really kills this sub-plot as well. You don't care about the Adam revenge subplot at all.

Also why kill Evil-Lyn like this? Evil-Lyn's a great character you can get so much mileage out of, yet the script definitively offs her just like that. Sure it might cement that Skeletor doesn't play around and he will kill you if you mess up, but there are other ways to do this. Good thing though that Evil-Lyn doesn't even come off like a fraction of a good character because you don't care when she does die either.

Why can we have wizards but we can't have Orko? Seriously, give Orko a try and make him kind of like the movie's Yoda. Orko can be done and he can be a good character.

So the climax of the Adam revenge plot. Adam gets the sword of light and turns into a half-baked version of He-Man that's still really Prince Adam. He fights Skeletor, and Skeletor taunts Adam about Randor to make Adam angry. Skeletor tries to threaten Teela, and then Adam does the switcheroo and he gets both the swords and combines them and becomes uber-Adam. Instead of taking revenge on Skeletor, Adam turns the other cheek. And then 2 seconds later, Skeletor automatically turns into a billion little pieces. OK . . . so . . . yeah, Skeletor was screwed either way, so it doesn't really matter. But what if Adam had destroyed Skeletor not for revenge but to save Eternia, wouldn't that have been OK?

Reading this script just reaffirms that El Mayimbe is one of the worst script readers of all time. From reading the script, if I could compare it to anything, the strongest example that comes to mind is ERAGON. Yes, I know, I know. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, 300, LOTR, yadda yadda yadda. Unfortunately we aren't dealing with the likes of Chris Nolan, Zach Snyder, Peter Jackson, and Jonah Nolan here. The script really just comes off the most like that ERAGON movie unfortunately, and it pains me to say that.

Another problem that I want to address with regards to the Rifkin script, the Marks script for MOTU, and the Marks script for Voltron. We don't get to see, what we really want to see until the end.

What is this at the end of the day? It's a He-Man movie. So give people He-Man. Don't wait until the last 10 minutes to do a half-baked version of He-Man that's still basically Prince Adam. You got to go full on He-Man. This script doesn't want to do that. The Rifkin script does a similar execution of He-Man at the end, except it has this weird sub-plot where Adam is gradually, physically growing into He-Man over the course of the running time.

In the Voltron script, Voltron doesn't actually appear until the very, very end. Just like this script with He-Man. Lame.

So some will say, just getting a live action He-Man movie is what's important. But if that is the case, you still have 1987 movie. I'd rather not settle for something if this is what they plan on shooting. If they do go through with it, hopefully some major re-writes or done and they fix this up. Because this does not look like a money script.


This script is as far from REALISTIC as possible.


i knew i had seen you before

[the_ultimate_evil]

Wow, TheVileOne, have you ever seen an episode of the original He-Man ?

One reason there's going to be a problem with the Prince Adam/He-Man identities? They were 100% retarded in the cartoon. He's exactly the same dude, only, with his shirt off, and furry underwear on instead of tights. He's not even as deceptively hidden as Clark Kent was with his glasses on.

Teela - a raging, skeptical, annoying b****...constantly nagging and complaining.

Skeletor - Very stupid, weak, no threat to He-Man at all (that was one reason, I believe, it was Paul Dini?, said that he couldn't write episodes anymore, because they were told to make Skeletor non-threatening, and never let him get the upper hand...so he'd just lose, lose, lose...and people were like, "Can't Skeletor not **** up and win a little, for once?"). He was a lot like the Three Stooges, screwing up and then bopping his henchmen on the head in anger...and the biggest whiner on Eternia....and a coward. His voice is so preternaturally whiny, that my friend and I do funny, whining Skeletor vocal jokes to this day.

Orko - Any He-Man fan wants to see Orko in live action, but as a "Yoda" ? Heh, no...he was an idiot, pulling rocks, socks and clocks out of his hat.


all valid and good points, which is why i would want them to use the characterisation from the more modern toon, with elements of the filmation toon

[Peyton Westlake]

This idea for a movie is getting legs ONLY because of the success of the Transformers & the G.I. Joe movie coming out. If the makers of He-Man dont go w/big budget this is going to sink like the Titanic.

[terry78]

After this I expect to see a live action version of not only C.O.P.S., but Inhumanoids as well. They have a whole slew of toys to work with that became not only cartoons, but comic books with full canon.

[TheVileOne]

Who said they have the use the characterizations from the Filmation cartoon?

What's in Marks scripts aren't even full-fledged characterizations at all. Skeletor's more whiney than he is evil and nasty in this script. Look at Langella's Skeletor in the 1987 movie. One of the few things the movie did well. That's a good route for Skeletor. But you know, the script he's not a very strong villain at all.

You don't like Adam in this script. He's a punk. And the revenge character arc is forced and contrived.

The modern show really laid the groundwork for what could be a much better live action movie. This script even grabs element from it, but it does so in a total bass-ackwards type of way.

[terry78]

KsuSEUIUrks

I'd like to see something like this happen in the movie, just for coolness.

[Dr. Fate]

We need to give Malin Ackerman a role in the MOTU film.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9463/malin3ln3.gif

[S.A.A.D]

We need to give Malin Ackerman a role in the MOTU film.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9463/malin3ln3.gif

^ :heart:

[Jordacar]

We need to give Malin Ackerman a role in the MOTU film.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9463/malin3ln3.gifOr the She-Ra movie

[Dr. Fate]

Or the She-Ra movie
Either one. Her costume reminds me of the Bride in Kill Bill for some reason.

[BloodyWolverine]

Orko and Battlecat are as important to he-man as Panthor is to Skeletor in my book. Yes Orko was goofy but his whole race were child like and to not put Orko in takes pints away. Transformers worked because comedy was put in. Can't make he-man all serious.
I think if they put Beastman, Merman in with Kronis or Trapjaw it woudl be better.

[terry78]

I like how you can put a mother****er with a skull for a face in, yet a floating elf is "too out there."

[BloodyWolverine]

Who said they have the use the characterizations from the Filmation cartoon?

What's in Marks scripts aren't even full-fledged characterizations at all. Skeletor's more whiney than he is evil and nasty in this script. Look at Langella's Skeletor in the 1987 movie. One of the few things the movie did well. That's a good route for Skeletor. But you know, the script he's not a very strong villain at all.

You don't like Adam in this script. He's a punk. And the revenge character arc is forced and contrived.

The modern show really laid the groundwork for what could be a much better live action movie. This script even grabs element from it, but it does so in a total bass-ackwards type of way.
If people would go back to Oppenheimers skeletor you will see that Skeletor in season 1 was more like Langella Skeletor really in teh live action version. Skeletor in the old cartoon was both funny and dangerous.
Hordak was plain evil but Skeletor like a kid wanted power but more so cause he wanted it. I am sure he would have been bored once he did ever win and miss fighting he-man.

[FIREPHOENIX]

WB justs needs to Green-lit the damn movie already for pete's sake.

Get the balling rolling.

[BloodyWolverine]

Well if this is the best script then no its shouldn't be green lit just yet. His story needs work if ask me but its my opinion.

[gkokujin]

okay so if I forget everything I know about HE-MAN,


this will be the PERFECT movie!@!!

[Batspider77]

Skeletor has to be a real Badass in the Movie i mean there must be a reason why mighty Creatures like Beast-man,Trap-jaw and Evil-leen are under his Command and why all People of Eternia fear him.
He should be a real treat for He-Man and the Masters........a Mix between Robert DeNiros Al Capone,Saroman and Bill the Butcher.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Skeletor has to be a real Badass in the Movie i mean there must be a reason why mighty Creatures like Beast-man,Trap-jaw and Evil-leen are under his Command and why all People of Eternia fear him.
He should be a real tread for He-Man and the Masters........a Mix between Robert DeNiros Al Capone,Saroman and Bill the Butcher.
The sword would be the reason the rest of the would be under his command.

[Dr. Fate]

I think we all agree that Skeletor needs to be a real all out bad-ass in the film, and so must his henchmen. They all need to be really lethal & savage if they are to be true threats to He-Man and his pals.

[Batspider77]

Right,i mean TDK shows it very well how important a stand out Villan for this kind of Movie is.

[GL1]

Dog... the names are killing me... I didn't even remember the guys had names like that.

Evil-leen? Seriously??

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Dog... the names are killing me... I didn't even remember the guys had names like that.

Evil-leen? Seriously??
I think he meant Evil-Lyn

[T-Ray]

Skeletor from old movie was perfect! I just wonder how will he look like in new movie? CGI skull or make-up?

[terry78]

Skeletor from old movie was perfect! I just wonder how will he look like in new movie? CGI skull or make-up?

His face is a ****ing skull, so I would think at least motion capture that ****.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Skeletor from old movie was perfect! I just wonder how will he look like in new movie? CGI skull or make-up?
Langella was ****ing awesome in the original movie.

[Dr. Fate]

Right,i mean TDK shows it very well how important a stand out Villan for this kind of Movie is.
Exactly.

[T-Ray]

Langella was ****ing awesome in the original movie.

I couldn't help my self, so I rewached the old movie! The best way to wach it is to wach only Skeletor scenes and skip almost everything else!

Remember the entrance scene at the very beggining! He certainly made clear that HE war the bad guy of the film and that you shouldn't mess with him right from the start! That's what "modern movie" villains miss these days! Hope they don't mess him up like Dr. Doom!

[BloodyWolverine]

Considering how well Ron Perlman looks as Hellboy i still think you could save money and use make up for Skull face. If orko was in it i'd save cgi for him and maybe Battle Cat.

[BloodyWolverine]

Who can forget the scene of Let This be our final battle. Langella was Skeletor.

[T-Ray]

I think we all agree that Skeletor needs to be a real all out bad-ass in the film, and so must his henchmen. They all need to be really lethal & savage if they are to be true threats to He-Man and his pals.

Agreed!

[T-Ray]

Considering how well Ron Perlman looks as Hellboy i still think you could save money and use make up for Skull face. If orko was in it i'd save cgi for him and maybe Battle Cat.

That's exactly what I was thinking! Maybe it's just me, but I think that Ghost Rider type skull should be saved for Scare Glow, you know still, cold, emotionless skull!

What I liked in the old movie is that piercing, menacing gazes and smirks Skeletor had! It realy added to his character!

[T-Ray]

Who can forget the scene of Let This be our final battle. Langella was Skeletor.

Meg Foster was also good as Evil Lyn, too bad they never used her full potential! And if only Blade was Tri Klops...

When I think about it, it appears that only good guys got messed up! :grin:

[Dr. Fate]

Considering how well Ron Perlman looks as Hellboy i still think you could save money and use make up for Skull face. If orko was in it i'd save cgi for him and maybe Battle Cat.
Ron Perlman as SKeletor would kick all kinds of ass.

[terry78]

I normally don't name names when it comes to vfx houses, but ILM or WETA must be involved in this in some manner, because this **** will have to look pretty real. An example as far as creatures go was that horntail dragon from Goblet of Fire....you knew it was CG, but it looked so detailed it could have been any real reptile.

http://alicia-logic.com/capsimages01/hp4gf_072HungarianHorntail.jpg

[Untilteld]

Why do we need a new He-Man movie? Masters of the Universe was pure 80's cheese, I still love it. :up:

[terry78]

Why do we need a new He-Man movie? Masters of the Universe was pure 80's cheese, I still love it. :up:

Because there has been a lot of canon written since then, and it's become on par with Transformers and G.I. Joe.

[Nightmare]

What if Triple H is casted as the new He-Man?

[terry78]

I hate to suggest it, but they may consider motion capture for He-Man himself and just cast a good scrawny A-list actor for Adam. They have to look enough alike, and two separate actors aren't really gonna cut it, nor can it be done with makeup. They could do a combo of prosthetics and CG I would think....similar to that software they used when they de-aged McKellan and Stewart for The Last Stand.

[union_jak]

What if Triple H is casted as the new He-Man?
If they go with Justin Marks, he said wrestlers will not be considered for the role. Also 'casted' is not even a real word :cmad:

[Nightmare]

Thanks union jackoff. Nice to know.

[The Guard]

They can just cast Thomas Jane as He-Man and be done with it. They could have the weird He-Man/Punisher connection with Dolph Lundgren.

[T-Ray]

I hate to suggest it, but they may consider motion capture for He-Man himself and just cast a good scrawny A-list actor for Adam. They have to look enough alike, and two separate actors aren't really gonna cut it, nor can it be done with makeup. They could do a combo of prosthetics and CG I would think....similar to that software they used when they de-aged McKellan and Stewart for The Last Stand.

Hm, now that's not a bad idea! Anyway, almost every character will need some sort of heavy CGI or prostetics!

[union_jak]

Thanks union jackoff. Nice to know.
Anytime :yay:

And it's jakoff, no c :cwink:

[MoPlaYa43]

Both Prince Adam and He Man should look in thier early 20s

[the_ultimate_evil]

Hm, now that's not a bad idea! Anyway, almost every character will need some sort of heavy CGI or prostetics!

its a shame but i would have loved to see what stan winston could have done with motu:csad:

though i'll be happy with rick baker

[Nightmare]

They can just cast Thomas Jane as He-Man and be done with it. They could have the weird He-Man/Punisher connection with Dolph Lundgren.

lol..

[MattBearPig]

its a shame but i would have loved to see what stan winston could have done with motu:csad:

though i'll be happy with rick baker

Let's not forget Spectral Motion.

[Dr. Fate]

I hate to suggest it, but they may consider motion capture for He-Man himself and just cast a good scrawny A-list actor for Adam. They have to look enough alike, and two separate actors aren't really gonna cut it, nor can it be done with makeup. They could do a combo of prosthetics and CG I would think....similar to that software they used when they de-aged McKellan and Stewart for The Last Stand.
Wouldn't that undermine the disguise element of He-Man?

[terry78]

Wouldn't that undermine the disguise element of He-Man?

He's basically a more buff version of Prince Adam. I'm sure they could do it in some practical f/x trickery manner, but I'm just going for what would look more believable.

[Spider-Fan]

I've always joked with my bro and friends that the MotU movie will star Hayden Christiansen as Adam, and The Rock as He-Man :woot:

[Dr. Fate]

I've always joked with my bro and friends that the MotU movie will star Hayden Christiansen as Adam, and The Rock as He-Man :woot:
Oh God, keep that Star Wars prequel guy as far away from MOTU as possible. If he was so much as rumored for a part, I think I'd have to go on an American Psycho style rampage.

[Spider-Fan]

Oh God, keep that Star Wars prequel guy as far away from MOTU as possible. If he was so much as rumored for a part, I think I'd have to go on an American Psycho style rampage.

Don't worry yet. That is my joke casting for the movie.

I've actually never thought about who I'd really get.

[The Guard]

Having read GRAYSKULL...

Justin Marks seems to love the characters, to a point, but...mostly the basic ideas of them. For something this to be taken remotely seriously, he needs to write more interesting dialogue. Or learn when not to write dialogue at all. Overall, with the GRAYSKULL script, Marks does a decent job putting a LOT of MOTU mythology into one script, and I'll give him some props for that. However, most of these "elements" don't receive much development, and amount to cameos, for the most part. But, it is what it is. A giant ad to sell toys, with a bunch of characters involved.

As in most of his scripts, he gets the obvious stuff right. I wouldn't say this is a complete failure on any level. It's just not great.

I wouldn't call Adam a punk, but he's sort of hard to get into as a character. His interactions with King Randor are short and not terribly interesting, and he's really very derivative of Bruce Wayne from BATMAN BEGINS, and maybe Hercules from the cartoon movie, and every "I have to train to come back stronger" character that you've ever seen. There had to be a more interesting angle than "master your anger and don't just take revenge" to play with here. They never do go full He-Man, but there is room to do so in a sequel, I suppose. Oh, Adam sort of "grows into" He-Man (and then his armor grows onto him). But, as was said earlier, He-Man is not "Batman". It would have been nice to see a hero find his own way into being a hero for once, perhaps on a personal quest of sorts (maybe he, I don't know, has a dream about some castle somewhere), not just be out for revenge and to get trained and told what he has to do at every step of the way and so forth.

Let's talk about Skeletor. I don't mind how Skeletor becomes "skeletal", but the problem is that he never really attains "major villain" status. Skeletor is definitely something of a whiner here, his motivations are very thin, and this becomes a major weakness of the script. Because his henchman are like ten times more badass and "evil" than he is. While he eventually becomes a bit of an actual threat to the people he's conquered, he's almost played as a cuckold of sorts, with people sneaking around behind his back. It's a really underdeveloped villain we've got here. And damn it, the way Skeletor finds the Sword of Darkness is just absurd.

Storywise, GRAYSKULL is what it is. A story about Eternia and The Masters of The Universe. Like a lot of Marks' stuff, the script replies on completely predictable "twists" and "reveals". The set up makes sense in context, I guess. What happens to Eternia, and Skeletor's methods, how everything comes together, all of that makes sense on some level, although it never "goes" anywhere really interesting. It becomes "The Race For The Sword" with some battles in between. The problem lies in the execution of everything. It feels staged, or it feels stale. And yes, somewhat obligatory. Which could be a good or bad thing. I haven't decided yet.

The supporting hero cast is ok. Man-At-Arms is what you'd expect him to be, and with the right actor, might not be a bad character, akin to Gary Oldman's James Gordon. Zodak is cannon fodder, and one more "reason for Adam to seek revenge". Teela is just sort of...there. And she's a bit annoying. I guess it makes sense that not everyone would believe in Adam right off the bat, but one would prefer that to be Adam. If anything, it should probably be the other way around, shouldn't it?

"Lennox" and the Young Masters are pretty forced, and they sort of just crowd things up, and make dramatic moments a bit less dramatic because there are ten times as many people standing around as there need to be. Would much prefer to see some version of Orko. The Young Masters pretty much fill his role as it is. Fisto's angle is indeed pretty lame and hard to swallow. Mekanek, though, that's cool as hell. Because you see, at the end of the script, he can extend his neck. It's awesome.

As far as villains go...Evil Lyn would actually be pretty cool, and might have been a favorite for audiences...until she sort of just dies for no real reason other than apparently they need to prove Skeletor's not a complete pushover. Which, he kind of is, because he pretty much falls apart as the movie progresses.

Now, the MOTU universe is a somewhat silly, over the top concept. But it's still really, really cool when it's handled properly. This script isn't completely awful, and there are definitely some "fanboy" moments, but they're moments everyone knows should be there. We can do better. And hopefully, before MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE FILMS, there will be some rewrites.

[Dr. Fate]

Having read GRAYSKULL...

Justin Marks seems to love the characters, to a point, but...mostly the basic ideas of them. For something this to be taken remotely seriously, he needs to write more interesting dialogue. Or learn when not to write dialogue at all. Overall, with the GRAYSKULL script, Marks does a decent job putting a LOT of MOTU mythology into one script, and I'll give him some props for that. However, most of these "elements" don't receive much development, and amount to cameos, for the most part. But, it is what it is. A giant ad to sell toys, with a bunch of characters involved.

As in most of his scripts, he gets the obvious stuff right. I wouldn't say this is a complete failure on any level. It's just not great.

I wouldn't call Adam a punk, but he's sort of hard to get into as a character. His interactions with King Randor are short and not terribly interesting, and he's really very derivative of Bruce Wayne from BATMAN BEGINS, and maybe Hercules from the cartoon movie, and every "I have to train to come back stronger" character that you've ever seen. There had to be a more interesting angle than "master your anger and don't just take revenge" to play with here. They never do go full He-Man, but there is room to do so in a sequel, I suppose. Oh, Adam sort of "grows into" He-Man (and then his armor grows onto him). But, as was said earlier, He-Man is not "Batman". It would have been nice to see a hero find his own way into being a hero for once, perhaps on a personal quest of sorts (maybe he, I don't know, has a dream about some castle somewhere), not just be out for revenge and to get trained and told what he has to do at every step of the way and so forth.

Let's talk about Skeletor. I don't mind how Skeletor becomes "skeletal", but the problem is that he never really attains "major villain" status. Skeletor is definitely something of a whiner here, his motivations are very thin, and this becomes a major weakness of the script. Because his henchman are like ten times more badass and "evil" than he is. While he eventually becomes a bit of an actual threat to the people he's conquered, he's almost played as a cuckold of sorts, with people sneaking around behind his back. It's a really underdeveloped villain we've got here. And damn it, the way Skeletor finds the Sword of Darkness is just absurd.

Storywise, GRAYSKULL is what it is. A story about Eternia and The Masters of The Universe. Like a lot of Marks' stuff, the script replies on completely predictable "twists" and "reveals". The set up makes sense in context, I guess. What happens to Eternia, and Skeletor's methods, how everything comes together, all of that makes sense on some level, although it never "goes" anywhere really interesting. It becomes "The Race For The Sword" with some battles in between. The problem lies in the execution of everything. It feels staged, or it feels stale. And yes, somewhat obligatory. Which could be a good or bad thing. I haven't decided yet.

The supporting hero cast is ok. Man-At-Arms is what you'd expect him to be, and with the right actor, might not be a bad character, akin to Gary Oldman's James Gordon. Zodak is cannon fodder, and one more "reason for Adam to seek revenge". Teela is just sort of...there. And she's a bit annoying. I guess it makes sense that not everyone would believe in Adam right off the bat, but one would prefer that to be Adam. If anything, it should probably be the other way around, shouldn't it?

"Lennox" and the Young Masters are pretty forced, and they sort of just crowd things up, and make dramatic moments a bit less dramatic because there are ten times as many people standing around as there need to be. Would much prefer to see some version of Orko. The Young Masters pretty much fill his role as it is. Fisto's angle is indeed pretty lame and hard to swallow. Mekanek, though, that's cool as hell. Because you see, at the end of the script, he can extend his neck. It's awesome.

As far as villains go...Evil Lyn would actually be pretty cool, and might have been a favorite for audiences...until she sort of just dies for no real reason other than apparently they need to prove Skeletor's not a complete pushover. Which, he kind of is, because he pretty much falls apart as the movie progresses.

Now, the MOTU universe is a somewhat silly, over the top concept. But it's still really, really cool when it's handled properly. This script isn't completely awful, and there are definitely some "fanboy" moments, but they're moments everyone knows should be there. We can do better. And hopefully, before MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE FILMS, there will be some rewrites.
Interesting assessment Guard.

http://www.tyreeonline.com/images/upload/543.jpg

[patrickbateman]

where's the script?

[SamuraiSon6]

where is that art from?

[The Guard]

Why is He-Man wearing a leather jacket?

[TheVileOne]

Nice script write-up The Guard. You are totally right on about Skeletor.

I however disliked it a lot more. Mainly because Justin Marks uses some of the most ridiculous, hackneyed dialogue ever. He telegraphs every "dramatic" moment and beat of the script.

What's the point of having all these pointless wizard apprentice characters and wizards? There's a moment in the script where a wizard takes down a giant in a big battle, and I'm assuming from the way Marks writes it, this is supposed to be a big emotional moment for the character and the audience. Yet we are really given no reason to care about this character. He's had no development at all. So instead of all these stupid wizards and magicians that don't really do anything and aren't essential JUST USE ORKO!!!!

I hate the way Battlecat and Beast Man are shoehorned in.

And I know this is sexist, but God . . . Marks could not have made Skeletor anymore of a v in this script.

[the_ultimate_evil]

where is that art from?

Why is He-Man wearing a leather jacket?

its a commission done for a fan over at he-man.org, by the artist matt tyree called the he-manator

[Dr. Fate]

its a commission done for a fan over at he-man.org, by the artist matt tyree called the he-manator
That is correct. The actual thread wasn't getting much action so I decided to stick it in here for exposure purposes. You can see the actual thread here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=311326

Here's another one, this one by a different artist, Robert Quill -

http://www.robertquill.com/transfer/BillyTaylor_HeMan_color2.jpg

For more of Robert Quill's work, click here - http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=272396&page=3

So as far as anyone knows, Orko is not appearing in the film? That's kind of sad. I mean, he's not nearly as annoying as say, Snarf (from Thundercats) or, shudder, Jar Jar Binks.

[The Guard]

its a commission done for a fan over at he-man.org, by the artist matt tyree called the he-manator

Again...why is He-Man wearing a leather jacket? :)

I hate the way Battlecat and Beast Man are shoehorned in

Beast Man was pretty lame, but I actually sort of liked the psuedo-arc they gave Battlecat. Given the time constraints, it sort of worked. Panthor didn't.

[DawnWarrior]

I wouldn't call Adam a punk, but he's sort of hard to get into as a character. His interactions with King Randor are short and not terribly interesting, and he's really very derivative of Bruce Wayne from BATMAN BEGINS, and maybe Hercules from the cartoon movie, and every "I have to train to come back stronger" character that you've ever seen. There had to be a more interesting angle than "master your anger and don't just take revenge" to play with here. They never do go full He-Man, but there is room to do so in a sequel, I suppose. Oh, Adam sort of "grows into" He-Man (and then his armor grows onto him). But, as was said earlier, He-Man is not "Batman".
Is this like in FF:ROSS, with Galactus as a cloud, with some vague hope that we may see the whole Galactus in the sequel? Or am I not reading your comment right?

"Lennox" and the Young Masters are pretty forced, and they sort of just crowd things up, and make dramatic moments a bit less dramatic because there are ten times as many people standing around as there need to be. Would much prefer to see some version of Orko. The Young Masters pretty much fill his role as it is.
What's the point of having all these pointless wizard apprentice characters and wizards? There's a moment in the script where a wizard takes down a giant in a big battle, and I'm assuming from the way Marks writes it, this is supposed to be a big emotional moment for the character and the audience. Yet we are really given no reason to care about this character. He's had no development at all. So instead of all these stupid wizards and magicians that don't really do anything and aren't essential JUST USE ORKO!!!!
I'm sensing a trend here. Okay, we don't need to have Orko in the film at all costs. If they want to keep him out of the loop to keep the movie more mature and whatever, fine. But throwing out Orko only to replace him with another lame sidekick that they just made up (Gwildor, anyone?), someone needs to get with the program.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Again...why is He-Man wearing a leather jacket? :)


cause it's a cross between he-man and the terminator

[The Guard]

Is this like in FF:ROSS, with Galactus as a cloud, with some vague hope that we may see the whole Galactus in the sequel? Or am I not reading your comment right?

No...when he becomes "He-Man", it's basically just a more confident, powerful Adam who knows and embraces his destiny as The He-Man. He doesn't swell up, or grow large muscles, or anything on that level.

[Octoberist]

i'm all for dark and stuff - but keep Orko in. It's like taking out C3PO and R2D2 out of Empire Strikes Back because they're not 'dark' enough. Sometimes, if done right, it's cool to have sidekicks.

[Batspider77]

Both Prince Adam and He Man should look in thier early 20s

I would rather have Adam be in his early 20s and He-Man should be 28-31 years old.....and Adam and He-Man should be played by two different Actors.

[TheVileOne]

Regarding Adam:

He never actually turns INTO He-Man. There's not really a He-Man character in the script. Evil-Lyn refers to the legend of He-Man in passing, that's it.

Adam finds the sword of light in Castle Grayskull and reads an inscription, and he gets armor and stronger.

But never anywhere in the script is the full on classic transformation into He-Man. So it's sort of like a He-Man movie without He-Man.

It sounds like they don't want to deal with the issue of the dichotomy or possibly having to deal with two separate actors for He-Man and Prince Adam.

[Batspider77]

Regarding Adam:

He never actually turns INTO He-Man. There's not really a He-Man character in the script. Evil-Lyn refers to the legend of He-Man in passing, that's it.

Adam finds the sword of light in Castle Grayskull and reads an inscription, and he gets armor and stronger.

But never anywhere in the script is the full on classic transformation into He-Man. So it's sort of like a He-Man movie without He-Man.

It sounds like they don't want to deal with the issue of the dichotomy or possibly having to deal with two separate actors for He-Man and Prince Adam.

that sucks:csad:

[terry78]

Regarding Adam:

He never actually turns INTO He-Man. There's not really a He-Man character in the script. Evil-Lyn refers to the legend of He-Man in passing, that's it.

Adam finds the sword of light in Castle Grayskull and reads an inscription, and he gets armor and stronger.

But never anywhere in the script is the full on classic transformation into He-Man. So it's sort of like a He-Man movie without He-Man.

It sounds like they don't want to deal with the issue of the dichotomy or possibly having to deal with two separate actors for He-Man and Prince Adam.

Like I said before, mo-cap the actor playing Adam and create He-Man from that. Yeah, it'll be CGI, but he's only going to be He-Man at the most, three times in the entire movie, so it shouldn't really matter. The recent Image Metrics **** I saw proves they can at least tweak it enough.

[Batspider77]

Like I said before, mo-cap the actor playing Adam and create He-Man from that. Yeah, it'll be CGI, but he's only going to be He-Man at the most, three times in the entire movie, so it shouldn't really matter. The recent Image Metrics **** I saw proves they can at least tweak it enough.

Good idea......this could work very well.

[terry78]

I'm still praying for a She-Ra film....straight boner material that will be.


:dry: Well, it will.

[Dr. Fate]

Again...why is He-Man wearing a leather jacket? :)

Because he's doing a satire on the Terminator. :cwink:


Anyway - no full on He-Man transformation? That does suck.

And yes, She-Ra is great boner material.:hehe:

BTW, who's supposed to be making this film - Warner Brothers, Universal, Sony, Paramount?

[Dr. Fate]

From a physique standpoint, what about Paul Telfer for He-Man?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/getshirtless/telfer/paul_telfer1.jpg



http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/getshirtless/telfer/paul_telfer5.jpg
I know his hair's on the dark side and would require a lot of bleach, but I thought I'd throw him out there anyway since he kind of has that epic adventurer look to him.
http://www.weblo.com/domain/available/paultelfer.com/
(this link in case pics do not show up)

[Kent Allard]

BTW, who's supposed to be making this film - Warner Brothers, Universal, Sony, Paramount?

Currently the movie is at Warner Brothers, but as far as I know the deal hasn't been fully finalized yet {guess they were waiting for the script}. I haven't read anything about the films status since the script reviews made their way online.

[union_jak]

From a physique standpoint, what about Paul Telfer for He-Man?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/getshirtless/telfer/paul_telfer1.jpg




I've never heard of him, but I'd be ok with him on appearance.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Currently the movie is at Warner Brothers, but as far as I know the deal hasn't been fully finalized yet {guess they were waiting for the script}. I haven't read anything about the films status since the script reviews made their way online.

during the last round of fan Q&A mattel said the film had moved along but they couldn't publicly comment

[Octoberist]

i think Joel Silver's push is weakening at WB, thanks to Speed Racer. However, if Ninja Assassin proves to be a hit, things may change.

also, next year brings us Transformers 2 and GI Joe, so I think by then Warners will give in.

[Dr. Fate]

i think Joel Silver's push is weakening at WB, thanks to Speed Racer. However, if Ninja Assassin proves to be a hit, things may change.

also, next year brings us Transformers 2 and GI Joe, so I think by then Warners will give in.
Isn't Joel Silver the guy who's been sitting on the Wonder Woman film rights for like 20 years now?

And isn't Warners supposed to be making a Thundercats film of some sort? Whatever happened to that project?

[Dr. Fate]

Another casting choice to throw out there for no particular reason - How about Roland Kickinger for He-Man?

http://www.kickinger.com/gallery/albums/Recent-Pictures/Ocean1.sized.jpg

[TNC9852002]

A little old...

-TNC

[Dr. Fate]

A little old...

-TNC
He's about 40, how is that old? I know I'm about to sound like an unreasonable bastard, but He-Man should look like a MAN, not a high school senior/college freshman.

[Nightmare]

40 is way too old.

[Dr. Fate]

40 is way too old.
Someone told Peter Jackson that when he cast 40 year old Viggo Mortensen to play Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings. :hehe:

[union_jak]

lol but wasn't Aragorn meant to be 80-something?

[Jordacar]

lol but wasn't Aragorn meant to be 80-something?Yeah, but he was a descendant of Numenor, so he looked half his age.