Discussion: Gay Rights

[Mr Sparkle]

word......



:shame:

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes I'm sure him agreeing with you has NOTHING to do with it :rolleyes:

You think acting high and mighty, saying he knows things but you dont, is "doing a good job"?? Also, hes saying things that dont make ANY sense if you read the last several pages.

Again, I'm sure him being on the same side as you has nothing to do with it at all

...No actually what I am saying makes perfect sense. You say because you have an opinion that gay marriage diminishes marriage there ought to be laws against it. Laws are NEVER made for that reason. Integration, emancipation, voting rights are all made for either one of two reasons. Economics (for the countries financial welfare) or rights (specifically those of the states or people). What you're talking about is neither rights or economics. In the case of gay marriage the debate is whether it ought to be a state issue or a federal issue. The catch on both sides is if its left up to the states we'll only have gay marriage in certain places, and if its left up to federal (most of Congress refuses to pass and amendment) there is a good chance some states will not side with either decision. So its a catch 22, do we allow only certain gay rights to be protected (in presumably Liberal states) or do we make these rights more concrete and risk restricting state power.

Your opinion on gay marriage has NOTHING to do with this though you seem to think so. Our government is not run by people, its run by interest groups and beauracracies who represent larger bodies of people. Your opinion may be represented by one of these groups but the Supreme Court, Congress and the Executive are going to attempt to consider all opinions and find an equitable solution, determine the constitutionality of such a decision. Not one that just suits you.

Now if you would like to present a more well thought out, backed up conclusion on what gay marriage ought to be in this country that would be different than just forming a bullsh** opinion. Your posts so far have signaled to me that you believe the governments job is to respond to your opinion, its not...its to find an equitable solution as I said. Other than using a talking point you have not explained in any degree of detail WHY you think what you think.

I am really not debating anyone here, because you have given me nothing to debate...you just said in essence "I don't like gays" and because of this somehow I am suppose to support your claim that it adversely affects marriage. What I am going to tell you, "You like gays, you're lying". Absolutely not, you just made a statement of personal opinion and then proceeded to act as if that is sacrosanct.

[rigel7soldiers]

Wow looks like i hit a nerve, calm down man.

Why should only gay people "care" about same sex marriage? Why not everyone who gets married too?


The argument that "why do you care" or "you shouldnt care" about gays changing the law was silly to start with and still makes no sense.

Youre asking us why we should care about our law and what marriage is...

:rolleyes:

...I'm a little late with the response here, but I think I can still pull this off...

At this point, I understand that people care about stuff. I got it. But I feel like my opinion on the matter is totally inconsequential. The thing is that changing the law is not my responsibility, and so I shouldn't spend all day kvetching about how I think the law should be. I'm sixteen. I've got other things to worry about. Personally, I don't care. Sorry for trying to push that on you.

[Admiral_N8]

Ah I see, so you don't care about the emotional and psychological well being of gays and want to deny them what little happyness this live offers?

Yes that is exaclty what I want, I am just so evil :rolleyes:

[Admiral_N8]

yeah but your saying that society has to dramatically cahnge over night or the should never change at all. change is gradual. just like inter racial marriage. one thing at a time.

No, if we are going to change marriage to allow whoever we want to marry whoever, then that has to also mean marrying family members, more then one, or YOU are telling those people they cant marry, but we only cared about gays to change it for them.

Its either for all of them or none, because if we change it you have no right to tell those other people they cant marry.

[Admiral_N8]

No actually what I am saying makes perfect sense. You say because you have an opinion that gay marriage diminishes marriage there ought to be laws against it. Laws are NEVER made for that reason. Integration, emancipation, voting rights are all made for either one of two reasons. Economics (for the countries financial welfare) or rights (specifically those of the states or people). What you're talking about is neither rights or economics. In the case of gay marriage the debate is whether it ought to be a state issue or a federal issue. The catch on both sides is if its left up to the states we'll only have gay marriage in certain places, and if its left up to federal (most of Congress refuses to pass and amendment) there is a good chance some states will not side with either decision. So its a catch 22, do we allow only certain gay rights to be protected (in presumably Liberal states) or do we make these rights more concrete and risk restricting state power.

Your opinion on gay marriage has NOTHING to do with this though you seem to think so. Our government is not run by people, its run by interest groups and beauracracies who represent larger bodies of people. Your opinion may be represented by one of these groups but the Supreme Court, Congress and the Executive are going to attempt to consider all opinions and find an equitable solution, determine the constitutionality of such a decision. Not one that just suits you.

Now if you would like to present a more well thought out, backed up conclusion on what gay marriage ought to be in this country that would be different than just forming a bullsh** opinion. Your posts so far have signaled to me that you believe the governments job is to respond to your opinion, its not...its to find an equitable solution as I said. Other than using a talking point you have not explained in any degree of detail WHY you think what you think.

I am really not debating anyone here, because you have given me nothing to debate...you just said in essence "I don't like gays" and because of this somehow I am suppose to support your claim that it adversely affects marriage. What I am going to tell you, "You like gays, you're lying". Absolutely not, you just made a statement of personal opinion and then proceeded to act as if that is sacrosanct.

What a surpirse, what you are saying makes "perfect sense" to you!

And I like how anyone against gay marriage, and I've said a lot about why, just has a "bullsh** opinion" Very mature and intelligent :rolleyes:

And I have said in essence "I Don't like gays" simply because I dont want gay marriage?

Wow, grow up.

[Admiral_N8]

...I'm a little late with the response here, but I think I can still pull this off...

At this point, I understand that people care about stuff. I got it. But I feel like my opinion on the matter is totally inconsequential. The thing is that changing the law is not my responsibility, and so I shouldn't spend all day kvetching about how I think the law should be. I'm sixteen. I've got other things to worry about. Personally, I don't care. Sorry for trying to push that on you.

Well thats great if you want to bury your head in the sand, some people dont.

[ElectroFlare]

How do you feel about them? Don't care, they're freaks, or they're cool?

[Carter]

Do whatever makes you happy.
But yes they're freaks.

[ShadowBoxing]

I have nothing against the conservative Christians who attend my school.

[ampersand]

I think they're freaks, but not anymore freaky than goths, emos etc.

[tzarinna]

I love cross dressers, especially Bugs Bunny, now that is some funny stuff. I can never tear myself away when Maury has them on his show.

[8Ball2/JanG5]

I close my eyes and try NOT to feel about them. I mean think about them...yes....

[Sandman138]

Well, there are a few different types of crossdressing. DRAG is awesome; it's subversive and fun. There's also transgendereds. I have a few transgendered friends who I have the utmost respect for. In my opinion the gender binary in general is outdated and flawed.

[8Ball2/JanG5]

You gotta be a little of both.

Anyway, crossdressing can be rewarding. Especially if you ask for something off of a girl who is currently wearing it.

[The Lumberjack]

I usually feel about their thighs and tickle their neck before I move to the promised land.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega3.gifThere all a bunch of freaks. I tend to stay away from those people!!

[GoldenAgeHero]

theyre all freaks!!!

[SuperFerret]

They don't bother me.

[Holly Goodhead]

They should be electrocuted.

[GoldenAgeHero]

They should be electrocuted.

arent you a crossdresser?

[jaguarr]

Well, there are a few different types of crossdressing. DRAG is awesome; it's subversive and fun. There's also transgendereds. I have a few transgendered friends who I have the utmost respect for. In my opinion the gender binary in general is outdated and flawed.

:up:

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

arent you a crossdresser?

http://www.escort-victoria.co.uk/assets/photos/d25.jpg

[Orko Is King]

Whatever floats your boat.

[Admiral_N8]

Whatever makes you happy, just dont try to pass a law where we have to recognize your perverted tastes.

[unknownuser]

transgendered people i understand..are confused
but crossdressers are just sick pervs :down

[Spider-Nerd]

Whatever floats your boat.
touche

[8Ball2/JanG5]

transgendered people i understand..are confused
but crossdressers are just sick pervs :down

Dude, have you ever tried womans panties? They are soft you know. :up:

[SpiderHulkThing]

cross-dressers make me sad :( i hate it when i can't tell the sex of a person. too many mind games. this is why i hated Hanson.

[The Amazing Lee]

I don't have a problem with crossdresses. what\s wrong with having a cross on your dress?

http://chompolserimont.com/bio/images/NYT%20-%20cross%20dress.jpg

[Aiden]

I'm kinda freaked out by them. I was at this restaurat one time with my dad. This cross-dresser had his wife, kids and parents/in laws with him. That seriously freaked me out

[Odin's Lapdog]

aren't there levels of it.

I know for a fact that women's undies make men's feel like chastity belts, so so nice....:o

and the odd pair of heels go nice with some flared jeans that i had, i actually had a impulse to buy a pair of heels the other day, oooooooo.

and some women's clothes are actually nice to try on and i keep thinking if i had some boobies, i would make a great woman, maybe a teeny on the butch side but you have to give and take if you want killer thighs and calves in that little dress, so it's all good.


and then you get the people that cross dress for odd nights out for fun in a joking manner, i dont think there is anything wrong with that, if anything the people that i have known to do it have been more sucessful with the ladies than on an average night out in proper gear (lowers inhibitions and shows a funny carefree side to your personality).


It all depends on the person, i don't think i'd be understanding of anyone else's devotion to it, nor do i think anyone else would be understanding of my teeny one to it. That's just the way that society crumbles this cookie unfortunately.

What i do have to say is REPECT for anyone who does go through it, it's hard but they're willing to put themselves up with the ridicule to be happy and not alot of people can do that, so it's a big thumbs up from me.

[Super Flight]

yea they're freaks, and its disgusting

[redmarvel]

Doesn't bother me as long as they use the correct bathroom for their actual gender.

I wear pants quite often. I don't expect the Scot's to give up their kilts.

[The Amazing Lee]

Doesn't bother me as long as they use the correct bathroom for their actual gender.

I'm always confused on what that actually is. :confused::(

[redmarvel]

I'm always confused on what that actually is. :confused::(

The one for "handicapped people" that only lets one person use it at a time. ;)

[The Amazing Lee]

Ah.....the cubicle in which couples also use for sexual activities as well :rolleyes:

Or at least, from what I've heard.

[Erzengel]

I really really want to make a joke here. I really do. I just don't have a victim. :(

[MaskedManJRK]

I come from an interesting perspective with this.

In Theater, it's not uncommon for guys to dress in drag for laughs. Even the non-theater audiences will laugh and cheer on these guys.

I have done it and I have to respect the guys who have done it--it takes a lot of balls to get on a short-dress and massive amounts of make-up and look semi-convincing.

It's also not uncommon to see girls dress up like guys--but that kind-of sucks, because they have to wrap their breasts up REAL TIGHT in order to achive semi-flat-chestedness, and it's really hard for them to breathe. :(

[Immortalfire]

Dude, have you ever tried womans panties? They are soft you know. :up: :eek:

*quietly backs away from here*

[jaguarr]

aren't there levels of it.

I know for a fact that women's undies make men's feel like chastity belts, so so nice....:o

and the odd pair of heels go nice with some flared jeans that i had, i actually had a impulse to buy a pair of heels the other day, oooooooo.

and some women's clothes are actually nice to try on and i keep thinking if i had some boobies, i would make a great woman, maybe a teeny on the butch side but you have to give and take if you want killer thighs and calves in that little dress, so it's all good.


and then you get the people that cross dress for odd nights out for fun in a joking manner, i dont think there is anything wrong with that, if anything the people that i have known to do it have been more sucessful with the ladies than on an average night out in proper gear (lowers inhibitions and shows a funny carefree side to your personality).


It all depends on the person, i don't think i'd be understanding of anyone else's devotion to it, nor do i think anyone else would be understanding of my teeny one to it. That's just the way that society crumbles this cookie unfortunately.

What i do have to say is REPECT for anyone who does go through it, it's hard but they're willing to put themselves up with the ridicule to be happy and not alot of people can do that, so it's a big thumbs up from me.

We have a fairly judgemental society, particularly when it comes to things of a personal nature. There's a lot of "my kink is okay, your kink is not" type of attitude out there which is too bad. EVERYONE has some sort of sexual quirk or kink that they are drawn to. Some people like feet. Others are infatuated with breasts, or even fetish objects like latex or leather or boots. Some people like pain, others like giving it and some people like both. Some folks like roleplay, others enjoy dressing as someone from the sex opposite of them. For many people, sexuality is an expression and exploration of who they are as individuals. It's an expression in freedom and even in escapism from their regular lives. It's a playground for adults who are willing to step outside of their usual selves and revel in what often represents the true core of themselves. As long as no one is being hurt (unwillingly, anyway ;) ) and it doesn't affect anyone elses life, why should anyone care? Especially when it's an almost certainty that deep down there's some secret kink or fetish of some sort that self-appointed judge & jury is harboring. Maybe if they'd learn to let go of their frustrations and explore their own fantasies, they wouldn't get so hung up on everyone elses? The original Puritans have been dead a long time, now, but somehow so much of their views on sexuality live on to this very day which I find relatively sad.

jag

[kane9321]

lol

[chaseter]

Cross dressing is gross and cannot be justified through any means or explanations...

[ElectroFlare]

Cross dressing is gross and cannot be justified through any means or explanations...

I'm guessing you never tried it...

And maybe its not your cup of tea, so to say.

But saying that it can't be justified through any means or explanations...

What about "I want to." That's a justification from a cross-dresser. Who's to say that a woman can wear a skirt but a man can't?

[Sarge 2.0]

Cross dressing is gross and cannot be justified through any means or explanations...Yeah, this kind of thinking is detrimental to soceity.

[captain_jimbo]

If people want to cross-dress, let them, it's not hurting anyone.

[twylight]

They don't bother me.

I'm really glad to know that. ;)

Especially since I picked out this great outfit for you.

[Themanofbat]

Cross Dressing is a lost art... :(

:)

[ElectroFlare]

If people want to cross-dress, let them, it's not hurting anyone.

That's the way it should be. Societal norms are ridiculous at times, and this is one of them...

Homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted these days. Now, not all homosexuals are cross-dressers, and not all cross-dressers are homosexual, but in the mind of someone who is not knowledgable on the subject, they seem connected. Why is cross-dressing still seen as perverted and freaky?

[twylight]

Cross Dressing is a lost art... :(

:)

:up:

It is indeed, only cross dressers know that birdseed in nylons will work for breasts. ;)

[ElectroFlare]

:up:

It is indeed, only cross dressers know that birdseed in nylons will work for breasts. ;)

Or

http://www.samiscloset.com/breast_forms.asp

It seems the second option doesn't work for breasts.

I have never seen breasts that look like a red x.

And I haven't tried the birdseed/nylons trick yet...i hear it works pretty well...

[twylight]

It seems the second option doesn't work for breasts.

I have never seen breasts that look like a red x.

And I haven't tried the birdseed/nylons trick yet...i hear it works pretty well...


Sorry it was just a picture of a breast form. :(

And I edited. :p



"tried" "yet"..?

I missed something! :eek:

Just who is playing Spider-Man anyway..? o.O ;)

I had a friend who was aiming to be a transgender, and he used that method all the time.

[ElectroFlare]

"tried" "yet"..?

I missed something! :eek:

Just who is playing Spider-Man anyway..? o.O ;)

I had a friend who was aiming to be a transgender, and he used that method all the time.

Hahaha!

[twylight]

Hahaha!


..Now I'm confused. :(

[ElectroFlare]

..Now I'm confused. :(

Just as I planned...

[ElectroFlare]

Come on twy...do you really think someone who is not would start this thread?

[Honey Vibe]

Whatever makes you happy, just dont try to pass a law where we have to recognize your perverted tastes.
Ya know? :rolleyes:

[Holly Goodhead]

Whats next..blacks voting?

[britrogue]

whatever floats your boat - if you know what I mean

[Odin's Lapdog]

We have a fairly judgemental society, particularly when it comes to things of a personal nature. There's a lot of "my kink is okay, your kink is not" type of attitude out there which is too bad. EVERYONE has some sort of sexual quirk or kink that they are drawn to. Some people like feet. Others are infatuated with breasts, or even fetish objects like latex or leather or boots. Some people like pain, others like giving it and some people like both. Some folks like roleplay, others enjoy dressing as someone from the sex opposite of them. For many people, sexuality is an expression and exploration of who they are as individuals. It's an expression in freedom and even in escapism from their regular lives. It's a playground for adults who are willing to step outside of their usual selves and revel in what often represents the true core of themselves. As long as no one is being hurt (unwillingly, anyway ;) ) and it doesn't affect anyone elses life, why should anyone care? Especially when it's an almost certainty that deep down there's some secret kink or fetish of some sort that self-appointed judge & jury is harboring. Maybe if they'd learn to let go of their frustrations and explore their own fantasies, they wouldn't get so hung up on everyone elses? The original Puritans have been dead a long time, now, but somehow so much of their views on sexuality live on to this very day which I find relatively sad.

jagare you referring to sexuality as in sex pros and cons cause i've never looked at it in that manner as a sexual thing. It doesn't bring me any sort of arousal, it's just female undies and heels at the end of the day.

:o

[redmarvel]

In Theater, it's not uncommon for guys to dress in drag for laughs. Even the non-theater audiences will laugh and cheer on these guys.


Good point... without cross dressing we wouldn't have movies like:

Tootsie (Dustin Hoffman)
Mrs. Doubtfire (Robin Williams)
Back to the Future II (Micheal J. Fox as his own daughter)
Junior (Arnold Schwarzenegger)
Victor/Victoria (Julie Andrews)

and many others.

[jaguarr]

are you referring to sexuality as in sex pros and cons cause i've never looked at it in that manner as a sexual thing. It doesn't bring me any sort of arousal, it's just female undies and heels at the end of the day.

:o

I wasn't speaking in terms of pro's and con's. My rant was more of a lament that people aren't accepting of other's predelictions. In my book, kink doesn't have to just be sexual in nature. For example, the exchange of power and pain in many BDSM relationships isn't overtly sexual in nature for many who participate in it. It becomes more of a spiritual quest where those scenarios and the giving and receiving of pain allow the people participating to transcend themselves and each other and simply "be" without all the other things in their lives getting in the way. It's a way to allow their true core to have center stage, and I have heard similar descriptions from cross-dressers or even foot fetishists who do what they do more out of those reasons (to just "be") than they do because they find it arousing.

jag

[Odin's Lapdog]

well in that case it depens on whether the activity of cross-dressing is the be all and end all or perhaps the means to an end.

for some it's the dressing up and staying in gear which is the main emphaisis of what they do.

while for others it could perhaps just be a means to an end.

see it like this.

for a person who is heading off into town for a night out, the ritual of getting ready and getting dressed and going out and being above yourself and looking to go out is part and parcel of their night's experience.

while if you are getting up to just lounge, you just wear what you think is the most comfortable, and the getting dressed/escapism factor isn't there.

somethings are just more comfortable than others.

If you consider people who go out in public wearing other gender clothes, most likely it will only be the men dressed as women that are picked out. Aside from that, those men who decide that perhaps that they are in the wrong sex then go through the process of first having female clothing as a nice niche, then as time goes on, the novelty wears off and it just becomes comfort clothing and loses all aspects of either sexual arousal or social relief.


do you see where i'm getting at, i'm just trying to say it's not solely for release or arousal.

i don't have anything wrong to say about what you actually said, i just wanted you to have another scope on it if you didn't have it already.

[jaguarr]

well in that case it depens on whether the activity of cross-dressing is the be all and end all or perhaps the means to an end.

for some it's the dressing up and staying in gear which is the main emphaisis of what they do.

while for others it could perhaps just be a means to an end.

see it like this.

for a person who is heading off into town for a night out, the ritual of getting ready and getting dressed and going out and being above yourself and looking to go out is part and parcel of their night's experience.

while if you are getting up to just lounge, you just wear what you think is the most comfortable, and the getting dressed/escapism factor isn't there.

somethings are just more comfortable than others.

If you consider people who go out in public wearing other gender clothes, most likely it will only be the men dressed as women that are picked out. Aside from that, those men who decide that perhaps that they are in the wrong sex then go through the process of first having female clothing as a nice niche, then as time goes on, the novelty wears off and it just becomes comfort clothing and loses all aspects of either sexual arousal or social relief.


do you see where i'm getting at, i'm just trying to say it's not solely for release or arousal.

i don't have anything wrong to say about what you actually said, i just wanted you to have another scope on it if you didn't have it already.

I think you and I are both touching on one key thing and that is that "kink" in all of it's various forms, whether there's a primary sexuality component involved or not, is something that many use to get to and/or identify with the base core of who they are.

jag

[Odin's Lapdog]

i guess what i'm really trying to say is that it's not necessarily kinky or at least in the colloquial definition of the term.

[jaguarr]

i guess what i'm really trying to say is that it's not necessarily kinky or at least in the colloquial definition of the term.

Gotchya. The circles I run in tend to use "kinky" as a more inclusive term to refer to a lot of things that fall outside the mainstream, so that may be where the confusion is coming from. Let me ask you, this, though; I'm sensing an aversion on your part to the word "kinky". Any particular reason? To me and mine, we really embrace and celebrate that word with a certain amount of pride. I can respect someone not identifying with it, no doubt, but I'm just curious as to the reasons is all.

jag

[Kritish]

At least there not goths...

[jaguarr]

At least there not goths...

Settle down. :D

jag

[Odin's Lapdog]

Gotchya. The circles I run in tend to use "kinky" as a more inclusive term to refer to a lot of things that fall outside the mainstream, so that may be where the confusion is coming from. Let me ask you, this, though; I'm sensing an aversion on your part to the word "kinky". Any particular reason? To me and mine, we really embrace and celebrate that word with a certain amount of pride. I can respect someone not identifying with it, no doubt, but I'm just curious as to the reasons is all.

jag
yeah i thought as much it was most likely a definition of the term kink or kinky at the end, hence why i added the colloquial definition part at the end of my statment.

yeah, calling someone kinky for me is the same as calling them weird or a freak, it's just a quick and easy way to separate yourself from them based purely on the fact that you are not able and unwilling to relate to certain parts of their life.

also for me kinkiness is only usually referred to something that leads to sexual arousal and gratification and i'm just trying to clarify that it isn't always the case with cross-dressers, and also clarify it's not always for the case of escapism and reassurance as well, or a eccentric outlet, that it maybe just maybe come down to a comfort preference.


if someone called you kinky for wearing a pair of trainers you felt comfortable wearing, wouldn't you find it strange?

[jaguarr]

yeah i thought as much it was most likely a definition of the term kink or kinky at the end, hence why i added the colloquial definition part at the end of my statment.

yeah, calling someone kinky for me is the same as calling them weird or a freak, it's just a quick and easy way to separate yourself from them based purely on the fact that you are not able and unwilling to relate to certain parts of their life.

also for me kinkiness is only usually referred to something that leads to sexual arousal and gratification and i'm just trying to clarify that it isn't always the case with cross-dressers, and also clarify it's not always for the case of escapism and reassurance as well, or a eccentric outlet, that it maybe just maybe come down to a comfort preference.


if someone called you kinky for wearing a pair of trainers you felt comfortable wearing, wouldn't you find it strange?

Ahhhh, see, because I consider myself kinky though, I don't consider it a term equivalent with "freak" or "weird". In fact, I'd more associate terms like "enlightened" or "free" with it, and it's a word that allows me to quickly identify WITH people who have predelictions that fall outside the mainstream. As I alluded to already, I don't consider kink to be things that are only sexual or sensual in nature. However, I do realize that I come from a completely different place than the average person on this subject, so I understand your aversion to the term.

jag

[Odin's Lapdog]

i'm all open for personal freedoms and openess to society, i just feel the term kinky is still (at least in this case) used as a derogatory term by those who are bound up in the chains of social acceptance who happen to think they have a moral high ground advantage over you.


it's like when locals look at me and call me a dirty student :(

brits are mean

[jaguarr]

i'm all open for personal freedoms and openess to society, i just feel the term kinky is still (at least in this case) used as a derogatory term by those who are bound up in the chains of social acceptance who happen to think they have a moral high ground advantage over you.


it's like when locals look at me and call me a dirty student :(

brits are mean

Meh. I don't give a feck about what anyone thinks of me and if they think using a term like "kinky" is insulting to me then boy oh boy are they mistaken. ;) They're the one's that are bound up in chains, after all, not me. (I prefer rope. ;) ).

jag

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3010&stc=1&d=1146582436

[Strange]

I usually feel about their thighs and tickle their neck before I move to the promised land.

Does this have anything to do with the bad news you got recently?:eek:

[jaguarr]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3010&stc=1&d=1146582436

LMAO! I love it! :up:

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Good point... without cross dressing we wouldn't have movies like:

Tootsie (Dustin Hoffman)
Mrs. Doubtfire (Robin Williams)
Back to the Future II (Micheal J. Fox as his own daughter)
Junior (Arnold Schwarzenegger)
Victor/Victoria (Julie Andrews)
and many others.

Don't forget BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE and BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE 2!
Without cross-dressing we wouldn't have BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE and BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE 2!

[Erzengel]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Bugs Bunny. :(

[Odin's Lapdog]

just because you liked him when he dressed up as a female bunny, doesn't mean anyone else will...

[Kritish]

just because you liked him when he dressed up as a female bunny, doesn't mean anyone else will...

Ouch...

[Erzengel]

just because you liked him when he dressed up as a female bunny, doesn't mean anyone else will...

He was pretty. :(

Ouch...
Watch Wayne's World. :o

[tzarinna]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Bugs Bunny. :(

Here ya go
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8636099&postcount=5

[SLVRSR4]

cross-dressers make me sad :( i hate it when i can't tell the sex of a person. too many mind games. this is why i hated Hanson.

Totally agree. That's more about their hari now i'm more confused?:(

[Odin's Lapdog]

He was pretty. :(

not as pretty as popeye in a dress though....

[ElectroFlare]

So it seems that the majority of people don't care, there are some people who think its perverted and gay.

I'm just wondering how it's perverted...

Hey, maybe one day soon we'll see weddings with the guy in the wedding dress...lol

[Abaddon]

Jesus Christ!!People are ridiculous.:rolleyes::o

[DOG LIPS]

Jesus Christ!!People are ridiculous.:rolleyes::o
Yeah!! Blaming Jesus for this and that, calling him names, bumping year old threads. Morons!! :mad:

[Abaddon]

Go work on Deathmatch or something. But make it better.

[DOG LIPS]

Go work on Deathmatch or something. But make it better.
It already is, it has you in it. :o:up:

[sinewave]

The whole things BS.
I know for a fact though that the city of Sodom was full of gays and that is why God destroyed it( so God is anti-gay???). When the people of the town demand that the angles come out so that they could get to know them, "to know" is used in a sexual sense.

you know for a fact? you must be really old if you were there.

[Abaddon]

Nice.



Next time you want to kiss my ass,put some tongue in it.:o:up:

[DOG LIPS]

Nice.



Next time you want to kiss my ass,put some tongue in it.:o:up:
You're mistaking me for your father. :o














And I'm NOT the pool guy. :mad:

[sinewave]

i actually laughed out loud when i read this part:

"Anglicans have suggested that the Bishop should be "struck down by thunder and lightning bolts."

that's hillarious! "god, smite this man!" idiots!:rolleyes:

[Abaddon]

You're mistaking me for your father. :o


And I'm NOT the pool guy. :mad:

Hopefully deathmatch will be funnier and more amusing than what you just posted.:o

[DOG LIPS]

Hopefully deathmatch will be funnier and more amusing than what you just posted.:o
Don't hold your breath. :(

[Sabretooth]

Don't hold your breath. :(
Don't worry sir. I thought they were funny.:(

[DOG LIPS]

Don't worry sir. I thought they were funny.:(
Thanks sweety. :(:up:

[C-$]

If you allow gay marriage then you're going to have to allow polygamy?

[The Question]

I don't see why. The two are in no way related.

[C-$]

I don't see why. The two are in no way related.

How are they not related?

[lazur]

The hype is not very representative of what the 'average' person thinks on the subject. More people think it shouldn't be allowed than who think it should.

[Maxwell Smart]

What a surpirse, what you are saying makes "perfect sense" to you!

And I like how anyone against gay marriage, and I've said a lot about why, just has a "bullsh** opinion" Very mature and intelligent

And I have said in essence "I Don't like gays" simply because I dont want gay marriage?

Wow, grow up.

This response is unbelievably pathetic compared to what ShadowBoxing wrote.


Myself? I'm pro, pro, pro all the way! :)

[Maxwell Smart]

The hype is not very representative of what the 'average' person thinks on the subject. More people think it shouldn't be allowed than who think it should.

Big deal. 44% of the population also believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis.

[sinewave]

This response is unbelievably pathetic compared to what ShadowBoxing wrote.


Myself? I'm pro, pro, pro all the way! :)

yeah, i've got to agree with that. for all of n8's whining about people not being open minded or resorting to name calling or childish tactics, he's one of the worst offenders. i don't think i've seen one of his posts that didn't include a :rolleyes: , which is an emoticon of condescention. not to mention that he automatically shrugs off any viewpoint that contradicts his, even when they are well thought out and illustrated, as was shadowboxing's response. n8, try looking in the mirror before you tell someone else to "grow up maybe?".

[robbs]

Marriage is a union between a man and a women. Are world has known that since the very beginning. This sudden spark in Gay marriage is just a fad. Simply, its not natural. no matter what your belief system is, its not natural. All you pro evolutionist should be shooting this idea down, but your the main ones supporting it. If "evolution" thought it was alright for men and men, or women and wommen to be together "evolution" would have devised a way for them to reproduce.

Another reason its wrong: Go look up the statistics on gay marriages.

used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age- HOMO 16% HETERO 1.5%
Engaged in prostitution- HOMO 24% HETERO 0.66%
Having a lifetime STDs prevalence- HOMO 70% HETERO 4%
Percentage of Alcholholism- HOMO 27% HETERO 11%
Median number of partners- HOMO 38 per year HETERO 4
Having a brief or no knowledge of partners- HOMO 90% HETERO 2.8%
Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism- HOMO 21% HETERO 4%
Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts- HOMO 92% HETERO 5%
Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts- HOMO 76% HETERO .88
Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months- HOMO 75%
Involved in 'rimming'- (mouth to anus contact) HOMO 61% HETERO 1%
Having anal pre-cancer- HOMO 18% HETERO 0.03%
Having HIV- HOMO ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) 21.8%
Average age of death from AIDS- HOMO 35.7 years
Expected average life span- HOMO 45 years HETERO- 74 years

And can you believe that over 57% of the marriages that have been approved in the past year have resulted in divorce. I know thats ruffley about 10% higher than Heterosexual marriages. BUT ITS ONLY BEEN A YEAR. how many of them will be divorced in 2 years or 3 years.

Give me a break people, get off the "Gay" bandwagon, its not natural and it shouldn't take place.

[Maxwell Smart]

Marriage is a union between a man and a women. Are world has known that since the very beginning. This sudden spark in Gay marriage is just a fad. Simply, its not natural. no matter what your belief system is, its not natural. All you pro evolutionist should be shooting this idea down, but your the main ones supporting it. If "evolution" thought it was alright for men and men, or women and wommen to be together "evolution" would have devised a way for them to reproduce.

Another reason its wrong: Go look up the statistics on gay marriages.

used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age- HOMO 16% HETERO 1.5%
Engaged in prostitution- HOMO 24% HETERO 0.66%
Having a lifetime STDs prevalence- HOMO 70% HETERO 4%
Percentage of Alcholholism- HOMO 27% HETERO 11%
Median number of partners- HOMO 38 per year HETERO 4
Having a brief or no knowledge of partners- HOMO 90% HETERO 2.8%
Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism- HOMO 21% HETERO 4%
Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts- HOMO 92% HETERO 5%
Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts- HOMO 76% HETERO .88
Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months- HOMO 75%
Involved in 'rimming'- (mouth to anus contact) HOMO 61% HETERO 1%
Having anal pre-cancer- HOMO 18% HETERO 0.03%
Having HIV- HOMO ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) 21.8%
Average age of death from AIDS- HOMO 35.7 years
Expected average life span- HOMO 45 years HETERO- 74 years

And can you believe that over 57% of the marriages that have been approved in the past year have resulted in divorce. I know thats ruffley about 10% higher than Heterosexual marriages. BUT ITS ONLY BEEN A YEAR. how many of them will be divorced in 2 years or 3 years.

Give me a break people, get off the "Gay" bandwagon, its not natural and it shouldn't take place.

Zig heil!

[sinewave]

Marriage is a union between a man and a women. Are world has known that since the very beginning. This sudden spark in Gay marriage is just a fad. Simply, its not natural. no matter what your belief system is, its not natural. All you pro evolutionist should be shooting this idea down, but your the main ones supporting it. If "evolution" thought it was alright for men and men, or women and wommen to be together "evolution" would have devised a way for them to reproduce.

Another reason its wrong: Go look up the statistics on gay marriages.

used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age- HOMO 16% HETERO 1.5%
Engaged in prostitution- HOMO 24% HETERO 0.66%
Having a lifetime STDs prevalence- HOMO 70% HETERO 4%
Percentage of Alcholholism- HOMO 27% HETERO 11%
Median number of partners- HOMO 38 per year HETERO 4
Having a brief or no knowledge of partners- HOMO 90% HETERO 2.8%
Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism- HOMO 21% HETERO 4%
Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts- HOMO 92% HETERO 5%
Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts- HOMO 76% HETERO .88
Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months- HOMO 75%
Involved in 'rimming'- (mouth to anus contact) HOMO 61% HETERO 1%
Having anal pre-cancer- HOMO 18% HETERO 0.03%
Having HIV- HOMO ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) 21.8%
Average age of death from AIDS- HOMO 35.7 years
Expected average life span- HOMO 45 years HETERO- 74 years

And can you believe that over 57% of the marriages that have been approved in the past year have resulted in divorce. I know thats ruffley about 10% higher than Heterosexual marriages. BUT ITS ONLY BEEN A YEAR. how many of them will be divorced in 2 years or 3 years.

Give me a break people, get off the "Gay" bandwagon, its not natural and it shouldn't take place.


i'm sure a similar argument was made back in the 60's about interracial realtionships. :down

[Maxwell Smart]

i'm sure a similar argument was made back in the 60's about interracial realtionships.

Thats why I didn't dignify it with a real response. Its intellectual garbage.

[C-$]

i'm sure a similar argument was made back in the 60's about interracial realtionships. :down

I'm pretty sure there was but there were no facts & statistics to back it up.

[Bill]

Marriage is a union between a man and a women. Are world has known that since the very beginning. This sudden spark in Gay marriage is just a fad. Simply, its not natural. no matter what your belief system is, its not natural. All you pro evolutionist should be shooting this idea down, but your the main ones supporting it. If "evolution" thought it was alright for men and men, or women and wommen to be together "evolution" would have devised a way for them to reproduce.

Another reason its wrong: Go look up the statistics on gay marriages.

used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age- HOMO 16% HETERO 1.5%
Engaged in prostitution- HOMO 24% HETERO 0.66%
Having a lifetime STDs prevalence- HOMO 70% HETERO 4%
Percentage of Alcholholism- HOMO 27% HETERO 11%
Median number of partners- HOMO 38 per year HETERO 4
Having a brief or no knowledge of partners- HOMO 90% HETERO 2.8%
Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism- HOMO 21% HETERO 4%
Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts- HOMO 92% HETERO 5%
Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts- HOMO 76% HETERO .88
Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months- HOMO 75%
Involved in 'rimming'- (mouth to anus contact) HOMO 61% HETERO 1%
Having anal pre-cancer- HOMO 18% HETERO 0.03%
Having HIV- HOMO ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) 21.8%
Average age of death from AIDS- HOMO 35.7 years
Expected average life span- HOMO 45 years HETERO- 74 years

And can you believe that over 57% of the marriages that have been approved in the past year have resulted in divorce. I know thats ruffley about 10% higher than Heterosexual marriages. BUT ITS ONLY BEEN A YEAR. how many of them will be divorced in 2 years or 3 years.

Give me a break people, get off the "Gay" bandwagon, its not natural and it shouldn't take place.

Define natural.

[robbs]

umm, no it wasn't! These arn't arguments, these are facts. Interacial marriages can reproduce, they are still natural. There is nothing wrong with that. Its a fact, what our bodies were created, or evolved to do is what they should be doing.

these stats come from a "gay site". Not a site trying to condem it.

[Maxwell Smart]

I'm pretty sure there was but there were no facts & statistics to back it up.

Hitler had lots of psuedo-science backing up his theory of eugenics too.

[sinewave]

I'm pretty sure there was but there were no facts & statistics to back it up.

i don't consider the statistics that robbs submitted as evidence since there was no link to their source. anyone can make up arbitrary statistics to try and prove their point. whether they're legitimate is another issue altogether, though.

[sinewave]

umm, no it wasn't! These arn't arguments, these are facts. Interacial marriages can reproduce, they are still natural. There is nothing wrong with that. Its a fact, what our bodies were created, or evolved to do is what they should be doing.

these stats come from a "gay site". Not a site trying to condem it.

care to provide a link to this "gay site", please?

[robbs]

hitlers facts were fabricated and rediculous. you can pull up over a 100 different sites, books, and magazines and you will still get the same info about gay marriages.

[chosen1]

"Who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?" -- John locke

Lost: the Hunting Party

[Bill]

umm, no it wasn't! These arn't arguments, these are facts. Interacial marriages can reproduce, they are still natural. There is nothing wrong with that. Its a fact, what our bodies were created, or evolved to do is what they should be doing.

these stats come from a "gay site". Not a site trying to condem it.

You don't leave much room for the emotional side of things do you? Should all marriages result in reproduction? Is that the sole reason for a relationship? Is it possible that two people can have and maintain a lifelong and meaningful relationship without reproducing? I seem to have heard of it being done once or twice.

[sinewave]

You don't leave much room for the emotional side of things do you? Should all marriages result in reproduction? Is that the sole reason for a relationship? Is it possible that two people can have and maintain a lifelong and meaningful relationship without reproducing? I seem to have heard of it being done once or twice.

emotion is for weak liberals. you should let god handle your major decisions and leave emotions out of the equation. ;)

[robbs]

These stats came from a school paper I did last year for debate class, I don't have any of the sources anymore. Just google it, im sure your find plenty of info.

But you are 100% correct, I would never just listen to what one person says and change my views. So do the research

[Maxwell Smart]

You don't leave much room for the emotional side of things do you? Should all marriages result in reproduction? Is that the sole reason for a relationship? Is it possible that two people can have and maintain a lifelong and meaningful relationship without reproducing? I seem to have heard of it being done once or twice.

There are people who like my father who think that its immoral, immature, and "selfish" for couples to not have children. He genuinely thinks less of them as people for making the decision to not have children. Hes also very homophobic.

[Bill]

emotion is for weak liberals. you should let god handle your major decisions and leave emotions out of the equation. ;)

LOL. It seems we've boiled marriage down to the "natural" need to reproduce and not much else.

"What's love got to do, got do with it..."

[Bill]

There are people who like my father who think that its immoral, immature, and "selfish" for couples to not have children. He genuinely thinks less of them as people for making the decision to not have children. Hes also very homophobic.

Well, there isn't too much I could say to that without being mean to your father. :(

[sinewave]

LOL. It seems we've boiled marriage down to the "natural" need to reproduce and not much else.

"What's love got to do, got do with it..."

yeah, it's not like there aren't other ways to have kids. if that's a couple's goal, there's always adoption and in vitro fertilization.

[robbs]

I understand the emotional aspect, but that dosn't make it right. I guess I feel this way because I don't believe anyone is born gay. I have known more than one "gay" person in my life that suddenly gone straight. "why" "how" if you were born gay you cant just go straight.

Actually they found a love the didn't know existed in the opposite sex. They can have those same emotions, but they should get them from the right places.

[Addendum]

I understand the emotional aspect, but that dosn't make it right. I guess I feel this way because I don't believe anyone is born gay. I have known more than one "gay" person in my life that suddenly gone straight. "why" "how" if you were born gay you cant just go straight.

Actually they found a love the didn't know existed in the opposite sex. They can have those same emotions, but they should get them from the right places.
And why does it bother you if 2 guys kiss, or 2 women kiss?

How does it affect you personally if 2 people of the same gender decide to spend their lives together?

[Maxwell Smart]

Well, there isn't too much I could say to that without being mean to your father.

Go right ahead. I'm sure you won't say anything worse than what I've said and thought myself. :o

[robbs]

you people are funny, on one thread about evolution and creation, the goal is to reproduce, if we don't reproduce our species cant evolve or survive.

on this thread its about love and emotion and children arn't the most important thing.

its just funny. look, I don't believe its wrong to NOT have children. I was just trying to prove a point in a way that might relate more with what evolutionist believe.

Look at the lifestyles that over 90% of gay people live, yea those are the people (for the most part, not stereotyping just using stats) I want raising future generations.

[robbs]

And why does it bother you if 2 guys kiss, or 2 women kiss?

How does it affect you personally if 2 people of the same gender decide to spend their lives together?




uhhh, who said it bothered me?????????? I just don't think its right, personally it dosn't offend me when I see it.

[Addendum]

you people are funny, on one thread about evolution and creation, the goal is to reproduce, if we don't reproduce our species cant evolve or survive.

on this thread its about love and emotion and children arn't the most important thing.

its just funny. look, I don't believe its wrong to NOT have children. I was just trying to prove a point in a way that might relate more with what evolutionist believe.

Look at the lifestyles that over 90% of gay people live, yea those are the people (for the most part, not stereotyping just using stats) I want raising future generations.
"Oh noes! A straight couple doesn't want to have kids!! And look over there! It's a gay couple!!! Mankind will be extinct because of those 2 couples!"

There are still plenty of straight couples that have children. Mankind will not become extinct because some straight couples don't have kids, or even if the law allows for same-sex marriages

[Bill]

yeah, it's not like there aren't other ways to have kids. if that's a couple's goal, there's always adoption and in vitro fertilization.

We're going the adoption route ourselves. But I never wanted to put the condition of our marriage on having children. My wife can't have them though it is something she wanted more than anything, and I refused to make her feel any less of a person because of that. I was always fine with it if it couldn't happen. We tried other methods, but her system didn't react well to fertility drugs and in vitro is very expensive and not a sure thing at all. Adoption is also expensive, but since we are adopting from China, it is as sure of a thing as you can get. There are many reasons why a couple chooses not to have children, and not all of them are selfish. And when you look at the rash of teen pregnancies, unwanted babies and whatnot, it makes me a little angry that people can take the ability to do so for granted. I would never seek to down anyone who made a conscious choice to not have children though. It is simply not my place to do so. Making a relationship work and be long lasting isn't easy. And it certainly doesn't need the added pressure of what other people expect of you. If two people, whatever combination of sexes they may be, can and want to try, then let them. How much skin does it really take off your back?(I don't mean you, just those who oppose it)

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but that's my take on it.

[Bill]

you people are funny, on one thread about evolution and creation, the goal is to reproduce, if we don't reproduce our species cant evolve or survive.

on this thread its about love and emotion and children arn't the most important thing.

its just funny. look, I don't believe its wrong to NOT have children. I was just trying to prove a point in a way that might relate more with what evolutionist believe.

Look at the lifestyles that over 90% of gay people live, yea those are the people (for the most part, not stereotyping just using stats) I want raising future generations.

I accept that the theory of evolution explains the diversity of life that we see on this planet, but it doesn't explain the sole reason that I want to be with my wife.

[robbs]

obviously our race isn't going to go extint because of gay marriage, but the very fact that it came up is another example of how it isn't natural.

Bill, I may not agree with some of your views but congrats on the adoption. Thats awesome, especially the fact that your going to china to adopt. baby girls are totaly dissed there.

[robbs]

well i don't agree with the theory of evolution, i dont want that quote to lead you to believe I do, but that debate belongs on another thread.

[sinewave]

We're going the adoption route ourselves. But I never wanted to put the condition of our marriage on having children. My wife can't have them though it is something she wanted more than anything, and I refused to make her feel any less of a person because of that. I was always fine with it if it couldn't happen. We tried other methods, but her system didn't react well to fertility drugs and in vitro is very expensive and not a sure thing at all. Adoption is also expensive, but since we are adopting from China, it is as sure of a thing as you can get. There are many reasons why a couple chooses not to have children, and not all of them are selfish. And when you look at the rash of teen pregnancies, unwanted babies and whatnot, it makes me a little angry that people can take the ability to do so for granted. I would never seek to down anyone who made a conscious choice to not have children though. It is simply not my place to do so. Making a relationship work and be long lasting isn't easy. And it certainly doesn't need the added pressure of what other people expect of you. If two people, whatever combination of sexes they may be, can and want to try, then let them. How much skin does it really take off your back?(I don't mean you, just those who oppose it)

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but that's my take on it.

my wife and i are also considering adoption. my wife and her sister were both adopted and my wife is kind of scared of the whole birthing process. we're not ready to have kids right now and aren't 100% certain we ever will, but we have discussed adoption. it's funny you mention china because we've also discussed the possibility of adopting a girl from there. with their society's view of females and the procreation laws, it makes sense. plus, little asian girls are utterly adorable. :)

[Addendum]

obviously our race isn't going to go extint because of gay marriage, but the very fact that it came up is another example of how it isn't natural.

Bill, I may not agree with some of your views but congrats on the adoption. Thats awesome, especially the fact that your going to china to adopt. baby girls are totaly dissed there.
Um... you do know that for homosexuals, it's natural to be attracted to their own gender?

So, in that sense, natural is up to the beholder.

[robbs]

Um... you do know that for homosexuals, it's natural to be attracted to their own gender?

So, in that sense, natural is up to the beholder.


that was either a very un-thought out or un-intelligent response. So you are basically saying N E thing can be natural. So a father and daughter getting married would be natural by your deffinetion. You have to stick to what is OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AND NATURAL or where will it end??? with fathers and daughters, brothers and sisters, how about brothers and brothers. Which by the way, in the mist of all this gay marriege talk has already taken place in Navada. A judge ruled two brothers married because they told the judge that couldn't find anyone they loved more than each other. The judge said if gay men can get married then why not gay brothers?

[Maxwell Smart]

my wife and i are also considering adoption. my wife and her sister were both adopted and my wife is kind of scared of the whole birthing process. we're not ready to have kids right now and aren't 100% certain we ever will, but we have discussed adoption. it's funny you mention china because we've also discussed the possibility of adopting a girl from there. with their society's view of females and the procreation laws, it makes sense. plus, little asian girls are utterly adorable.

I don't think I ever wanna have biological kids, but I'd consider adopting. Kids once they hit about 3 or 4 I can deal with. You can actually communicate with them, and they aren't 100% dependent upon you to function. They can feed themselves, clean themselves etc. Kids are okay, its the "baby stage" I don't like.

[Addendum]

that was either a very un-thought out or un-intelligent response. So you are basically saying N E thing can be natural. So a father and daughter getting married would be natural by your deffinetion. You have to stick to what is OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AND NATURAL or where will it end??? with fathers and daughters, brothers and sisters, how about brothers and brothers. Which by the way, in the mist of all this gay marriege talk has already taken place in Navada. A judge ruled two brothers married because they told the judge that couldn't find anyone they loved more than each other. The judge said if gay men can get married then why not gay brothers?
Dude, the discussion is about same-sex marriage, not incest.

If that's what you think about, then you're ****ed up

[Bill]

my wife and i are also considering adoption. my wife and her sister were both adopted and my wife is kind of scared of the whole birthing process. we're not ready to have kids right now and aren't 100% certain we ever will, but we have discussed adoption. it's funny you mention china because we've also discussed the possibility of adopting a girl from there. with their society's view of females and the procreation laws, it makes sense. plus, little asian girls are utterly adorable. :)

It's a long process with loads of paperwork and other loops that you have to jump through. It's funny, (well, no it isn't but...) couples who do it "naturally" don't have to do anything. There's no qualifying set of standards that govern who has kids in that manner. But adoption? Whoa, you get screened by a social worker, the FBI, and the local authorities, fingerprinted, poked and prodded by a doctor(Yes we had to have physicals) just so we can have a child. Now, don't get me wrong. I understand why it happens, but I think that everyone should have to go through it to have children. I do think that it will all be worth it once we pick her up. It will definitely make you appreciate it more and might weed out those who probably shouldn't be parenting them.

And look, I think I stole the thread...:(

[robbs]

Dude, the discussion is about same-sex marriage, not incest.

If that's what you think about, then you're ****ed up




"dude" Go get a high school education, I was giving you an example of things that have already begun to take place IN THE COURTS as a result of people trying to change the definition of marriage.

[Maxwell Smart]

"dude" Go get a high school education, I was giving you an example of things that have already begun to take place IN THE COURTS as a result of people trying to change the definition of marriage.

Um, I think all the regulars around here during the day are done with High school. Otherwise, they'd be at school and not posting.

[Addendum]

"dude" Go get a high school education, I was giving you an example of things that have already begun to take place IN THE COURTS as a result of people trying to change the definition of marriage.

marriage

noun
Definition:

1. legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners

2. specific marriage relationship: a married relationship between two people, or a somebody's relationship with his or her spouse
They have a happy marriage.

3. joining in wedlock: the joining together in wedlock of two people

4. marriage ceremony: the ceremony in which two people are joined together formally in wedlock

5. union of two things: a close union, blend, or mixture of two things
Civilization is based on the marriage of tradition and innovation.

6. card games king and queen of same suit: in card games such as pinochle and bezique, a combination of the king and queen of the same suit

[13th century. < French mariage < marier (see marry)]

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/marriage.html

[y2jversion1]

I'm straight and I don't want kids period - adopted or biological.

I must be the anti-christ of humanity & my race.

[Maxwell Smart]

I must be the anti-christ of humanity & my race.

Or just immature and selfish, according to my dad.

[Addendum]

What's wrong about being selfish? I've never understood that.

[robbs]

Um, I think all the regulars around here during the day are done with High school. Otherwise, they'd be at school and not posting.


schools out

[Maxwell Smart]

schools out

Actually, not everywhere. Its May 25, many schools go until the last Friday of May, and there are some unfortunate souls who do not get out until June.

I'm so glad I've graduated. Actually, yesterday was one year since my graduation. :D

[ToddIsDead]

I don't really care about same sex marriges either way.

And I don't get out of school until June 22nd and I go back the first week of September.

[Maxwell Smart]

And I don't get out of school until June 22nd and I go back the first week of September.

Why aren't you at school right now young man? :mad: :p

That suuuuuuucks that you have to spend most of June in school.

But, you go back about 3 weeks later than normal too, so I guess it balances out. I'd just rather have more of the early summer than late, myself.

[Kritish]

I don't give a damn either way.

[robbs]

marriage

noun
Definition:

1. legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners

2. specific marriage relationship: a married relationship between two people, or a somebody's relationship with his or her spouse
They have a happy marriage.

3. joining in wedlock: the joining together in wedlock of two people

4. marriage ceremony: the ceremony in which two people are joined together formally in wedlock

5. union of two things: a close union, blend, or mixture of two things
Civilization is based on the marriage of tradition and innovation.

6. card games king and queen of same suit: in card games such as pinochle and bezique, a combination of the king and queen of the same suit

[13th century. < French mariage < marier (see marry)]

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/marriage.html



great job, but poorly researched

mar·riage http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dmarriage) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (mhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/abreve.gifrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifj)
n.


The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
Function: noun
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage

[robbs]

Actually, not everywhere. Its May 25, many schools go until the last Friday of May, and there are some unfortunate souls who do not get out until June.

I'm so glad I've graduated. Actually, yesterday was one year since my graduation. :D



congrats, 4 years for me (back when we actually had a summer). Man, that makes me feel old. Sucks to be that guy who dosn't get out until the 22nd of June.

[tzarinna]

Alright, Yes. I think it's ok. Two people in love and knowing most of society doesn't approve says so much about how much these folks want to be together. Let them be happy.

[Kritish]

I really don't see how it affects me, I'm just to apathetic to protest or care.

Ich wirklich sehe nicht, wie es mich beeinflußt, ich bin gerecht zu apathetic zu protestieren oder sich zu interessieren.

[Addendum]

great job, but poorly researched

mar·riage http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dmarriage) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (mhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/abreve.gifrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifj)
n.


The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
Function: noun
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=marriage
You do know that there are multiple on-line dictionaries, and that there are multiple dictionaries in print, and in some cases, they may have different definitions for words.

If 2 men wish to get married, I have no problem with it. If 2 women wish to get married, I have no problem with it. Since the topic of this thread is: "YES OR NO? SAME SEX MARRIAGE?"

If you want to discuss the possibilities of a man marrying his pet ferret, or a woman marrying her award winning rose bush, CREATE A SEPARATE THREAD ABOUT IT.

Besides, I'm having a swell time looking at my computer monitor and laughing at what appears to be an anonymous person with 32 posts on this particular website get riled up over an ONLINE discussion.

It may be a serious issue in real-life, but on the internet, it's not.

And I graduated high school 10 years ago, but why someone on here should make an issue of it in a pointless online discussion is beyond me.

[X-Punisher]

Well I'm sure some churches would allow same sex marriage in the church but I think they should legallize civil unions.

[robbs]

You do know that there are multiple on-line dictionaries, and that there are multiple dictionaries in print, and in some cases, they may have different definitions for words.

If 2 men wish to get married, I have no problem with it. If 2 women wish to get married, I have no problem with it. Since the topic of this thread is: "YES OR NO? SAME SEX MARRIAGE?"

If you want to discuss the possibilities of a man marrying his pet ferret, or a woman marrying her award winning rose bush, CREATE A SEPARATE THREAD ABOUT IT.

Besides, I'm having a swell time looking at my computer monitor and laughing at what appears to be an anonymous person with 32 posts on this particular website get riled up over an ONLINE discussion.

It may be a serious issue in real-life, but on the internet, it's not.



haha, i think your misunderstanding me. I'm not riled up, Im actually in a great mood, maybe in real life, but not on the internet. Your right, it is a post on same sex marriages. Thats why im giving you my opinions about it.

[Addendum]

And my opinion of same-sex marriage is "Since it doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form, if 2 people of the same gender want to marry, I don't see a problem."

The churches cannot be forced to conduct same-sex marriages if they refuse to on their beliefs, since the "Free exercise clause" in the first amendment forbids the government from telling churches what to believe.

And while the church may be the traditional place for weddings to take place, it's not the sole place for it.

[Maxwell Smart]

edit: sorry double post

[Maxwell Smart]

And while the church may be the traditional place for weddings to take place, it's not the sole place for it.

My mom and her husband aren't married through a place of worship, only civally. They had a non-religious service. Does that mean they aren't really married and we should call it a civil union? I don't think so.

[Addendum]

My mom and her husband aren't married through a place of worship, only civally. They had a non-religious service. Does that mean they aren't really married and we should call it a civil union? I don't think so.
That was my point. For centuries, if you wanted to get married, you had to rely on the church. I believe it was around the 19th century that the state started performing weddings.

Now, the church isn't the sole place for weddings to take place, nor is it the only entity that recognizes a marriage contract. I see no problem with that.

[Maxwell Smart]

I can understand religious marriage being between a man and a woman if that is their belief, but like you say Addendum, marriage is not just a religious institution in our society. It is also a state-backed institution, and I don't see how you can justify the state which is bound by the Constitution not allowing people of the same sex to marry.

Its a violation of the 15th Ammendment which says everyone has to be equal under the law regardless of such things as race, religion etc.

[Addendum]

I can understand religious marriage being between a man and a woman if that is their belief, but like you say Addendum, marriage is not just a religious institution in our society. It is also a state-backed institution, and I don't see how you can justify the state which is bound by the Constitution not allowing people of the same sex to marry.

Its a violation of the 15th Ammendment which says everyone has to be equal under the law regardless of such things as race, religion etc.
Um... when have I justified it?

If 2 people of the same gender want to get married, I have no problem with it.

My problem is if the government forces churches to administer same-sex weddings. That action violates the "free exercise clause" which is part of the first amendment in regard to religion.

It should be up to the churches to administer same-sex weddings, if the law of the land is changed to allow same-sex weddings in the country. The government should not and must not tell churches what to do.

[Maxwell Smart]

I didn't say you justified it. I was using what you were saying as a springboard for my own argument. :confused:

[sinewave]

My mom and her husband aren't married through a place of worship, only civally. They had a non-religious service. Does that mean they aren't really married and we should call it a civil union? I don't think so.

my wife and i got married in the court yard of a 5-star hotel by a judge. neither of us are religious, with my wife being an agnostic and me being an athiest. her family, on the other hand, are devout catholics, while most of mine are lapsed catholics. i know there's that whole "married in god's eyes" side of marriage, but we didn't want religion brought into it since we choose not to let it play a role in our lives.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah. Because homosexuals are, you know, human beings just like the rest of us. I really don't see how two men or two women being married is going to really affect anything, or anyone.

They can't get married now but homosexuals are still together and trying to get along. It's not like homosexuality is going to stop one day or something.

We've got too many politicians and "government officials" making decisions based on their religious beliefs, and last time I checked you can't do that.

Some people are afraid of what's different. Afraid of someone with a different colored face and afraid of people who like the same sex. So what do these lovely people do? They make these people feel outcasted and unaccepted in society because they're different.

And these people are supposed to be religious and love God? Pft. Typical American hypocrisy at work as usual. :up:

[jaydawg]

If you wanna be gay, be gay. I dont care. So if gays want to marry each other, let them marry each other. When you think of all the **** that happens between heterosexual marriages, homosexual marriages can only improve the current formula...... I hope that makes as much sense as it did in my head.

[Mr Sparkle]

that was either a very un-thought out or un-intelligent response. So you are basically saying N E thing can be natural. So a father and daughter getting married would be natural by your deffinetion. You have to stick to what is OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AND NATURAL or where will it end??? with fathers and daughters, brothers and sisters, how about brothers and brothers. Which by the way, in the mist of all this gay marriege talk has already taken place in Navada. A judge ruled two brothers married because they told the judge that couldn't find anyone they loved more than each other. The judge said if gay men can get married then why not gay brothers?

LOL, that is imbecilic.
incest comes mainly from psicological trauma and misguidance.
homosexuality occurs NATURALY.
that slippery slope argument is the most chilsdish of things.
:rolleyes:

[undercover_gay]

i vote no

[Mr. Thing]

i vote no

Ok. Can we have your reasons please?

[deemar325]

I don't like it, but they people too so whatever.

I just can't respect a man who let's another man screw him in the anus.

[SpideyInATree]

Well, in the words of my best friend....

You shouldn't knock it, until you've tried it. :)

[deemar325]

Well, in the words of my best friend....

You shouldn't knock it, until you've tried it. :)

Heh, no thanks.

I feel gays should have the right to a civil union of marriage, it'll at least keep the spreading of desease down. Also I feel their people just like you or I just wired the wrong way.

[SpideyInATree]

The problem with some heterosexual people is that when they think "gay" they think immediately of the sexual act. And, of course, that's going to turn off a heterosexual male. So, don't think about men having sex with one another...think about two women having sex with one another, heh. Problem solved. :)

They don't think that these people are human beings and also would like an emotional relationship with one another just as a heterosexual man can have with a woman.

But...I guess that just makes me a liberal jerk off. Oh no I treat people like they are human beings and belong on this planet Earth. I must be a bad person. :O

[Sabretooth]

I don't like it, but they people too so whatever.

I just can't respect a man who let's another man screw him in the anus.
Just because a guy does it in a different place you can't respect him? :confused:

Honestly,I respect homosexuals more than bisexuals. At least homosexuals have the courage to say that they like men only. :o

[deemar325]

Just because a guy does it in a different place you can't respect him? :confused:

Honestly,I respect homosexuals more than bisexuals. At least homosexuals have the courage to say that they like men only. :o

Bi-sexuals are just greedy.

lol.

[deemar325]

The problem with some heterosexual people is that when they think "gay" they think immediately of the sexual act. And, of course, that's going to turn off a heterosexual male. So, don't think about men having sex with one another...think about two women having sex with one another, heh. Problem solved. :)

They don't think that these people are human beings and also would like an emotional relationship with one another just as a heterosexual man can have with a woman.

But...I guess that just makes me a liberal jerk off. Oh no I treat people like they are human beings and belong on this planet Earth. I must be a bad person. :O

Well that's all I see when I see a gay male, I'll admit lesbians are way more appealing, but that's only natural for a hetero guy to think like that.

I was raised to accept people for who they are, but it doesn't mean I have to approve of their actions. I love my gay cousin, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna let him be around my son to influence him with his ways.

[bluejake01]

Look at the lifestyles that over 90% of gay people live, yea those are the people (for the most part, not stereotyping just using stats) I want raising future generations.
Provide your sources or stop using "stats" that have no meaning or verifiable source. I could make up arbitrary numbers all day, but it wouldn't get anyone anywhere.

Your arguments have no substance, and fall apart under even the most superficial examination...you have failed at this little venture...step up to the plate and give it a real go, or go home and stop wasting everyone's time.

[SpideyInATree]

Provide your sources or stop using "stats" that have no meaning or verifiable source. I could make up arbitrary numbers all day, but it wouldn't get anyone anywhere.

Your arguments have no substance, and fall apart under even the most superficial examination...you have failed at this little venture...step up to the plate and give it a real go, or go home and stop wasting everyone's time.


Agreed.

This is another arguement against gay marriage that I HATE.

Just because YOU don't want homosexuals to raise children doesn't mean THAT'S the way it should be in the world.

Last time I checked "All Men Were Created Equal". If we're going to lay down these sayings then we need to practice what we preach instead of being afraid of anything that is different.

They should change that saying to "All Men were Created to be Hypocritical". Because that's all that happens here in America. A bunch of hypocrites running this country.

[Boom]

I have no problem with homosexuals. I have a few friends that are. If I'm free to choose my lifestyle, they're free to choose theirs. If that means they want to get married to someone of the same sex, then I personally don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to.

[deemar325]

Agreed.

This is another arguement against gay marriage that I HATE.

Just because YOU don't want homosexuals to raise children doesn't mean THAT'S the way it should be in the world.

Last time I checked "All Men Were Created Equal". If we're going to lay down these sayings then we need to practice what we preach instead of being afraid of anything that is different.

They should change that saying to "All Men were Created to be Hypocritical". Because that's all that happens here in America. A bunch of hypocrites running this country.

Now I'm kind of conflicted on the raising kids thing, now I mean if a gay couple adopted a child. I can't say that I wouldn't support that, at least the child will have someone to care for them even if it's two sword swallowers.

It's hard to really be against a child gaining a family even a gay one.

[Boom]

Now I'm kind of conflicted on the raising kids thing, now I mean if a gay couple adopted a child. I can't say that I wouldn't support that, at least the child will have someone to care for them even if it's two sword swallowers.

It's hard to really be against a child gaining a family even a gay one.
I'm sorry, but I laughed at this post.

Now I feel terrible.

[SpideyInATree]

Now I'm kind of conflicted on the raising kids thing, now I mean if a gay couple adopted a child. I can't say that I wouldn't support that, at least the child will have someone to care for them even if it's two sword swallowers.

It's hard to really be against a child gaining a family even a gay one.

It's kind of humorous how you put that. But, once again, what does them having to be "sword swallowers" have to do with raising a child?

There are some heterosexual couples that have children and they are into very weird sexual activities. Like swingers and group activity.

So, it's OK for a heterosexual couple who's into kinky sex acts to raise children, because they're heterosexual and that's FINE. But a homosexual couple can't. Because they're of the same sex?

It just boggles my mind at how ridiculously close minded people are. :O

[deemar325]

I'm sorry, but I laughed at this post.

Now I feel terrible.

It's cool. Ultimately I'd rather a orphaned child have two dads who love them than no family at all.

Clear enough?

[deemar325]

It's kind of humorous how you put that. But, once again, what does them having to be "sword swallowers" have to do with raising a child?

There are some heterosexual couples that have children and they are into very weird sexual activities. Like swingers and group activity.

So, it's OK for a heterosexual couple who's into kinky sex acts to raise children, because they're heterosexual and that's FINE. But a homosexual couple can't. Because they're of the same sex?

It just boggles my mind at how ridiculously close minded people are. :O

Heh, It was funny..and you got a point and I agree.

[C-$]

Like I've said before, if you allow gay marriage then you have to also allow polygamy.

[Maxwell Smart]

Like I've said before, if you allow gay marriage then you have to also allow polygamy.

Okay, big deal.

As long as it is between consenting adults, I really don't care.

[Mister Sinister]

Doesn't bother me, the only problem that springs to mind is that with gay marriage comes gay divorce, and that will be ******y.

[Maxwell Smart]

Doesn't bother me, the only problem that springs to mind is that with gay marriage comes gay divorce, and that will be ******y.

Hahahahahaha. :up:

[Charlie No-One]

I think if two men or two women can't get married, then neither can a man and woman.

What makes gay couples different from hetrosexual ones?

[C-$]

I think if two men or two women can't get married, then neither can a man and woman.

What makes gay couples different from hetrosexual ones?

The difference is that hetrosexual marriages fits the true definition of a marriage.

[Mister Sinister]

So it's tradition then...?

[Charlie No-One]

No. Marriage is the wedlock of two people, not the wedlock of man and woman.

[C-$]

So it's tradition then...?

Yeah it's a traditon. It's also the true definition of marriage. A union between two people of the same sex isn't the true definition of a marriage. I could care less if they get civil unions.

[C-$]

No. Marriage is the wedlock of two people, not the wedlock of man and woman.

No. It's between a man & a woman.

[Maxwell Smart]

No. It's between a man & a woman.

Quit trying to run other people's lives. A man and and a man getting married or a woman and a woman getting married in no way impacts your life or society in general. They won't produce children but that is a personal decision regardless of the genders involved. If it was a man and a woman its not like we legally obligate them to have children. Many couples choose not to, and I don't see anyone wanting to make them divorce.

[cass]

Quit trying to run other people's lives. A man and and a sheep getting married or a woman and a horse getting married in no way impacts your life or society in general. They won't produce children but that is a personal decision regardless of the genders involved. If it was a man and a woman its not like we legally obligate them to have children. Many couples choose not to, and I don't see anyone wanting to make them divorce.

Read it again and try to realize how by using your argument, the most ridiculous **** can happen.

[C-$]

:D Quit trying to run other people's lives. A man and and a man getting married or a woman and a woman getting married in no way impacts your life or society in general. They won't produce children but that is a personal decision regardless of the genders involved. If it was a man and a woman its not like we legally obligate them to have children. Many couples choose not to, and I don't see anyone wanting to make them divorce.

You're a funny dude.

[Outsiderzedge]

Polygamy is actually a more beneficial union than monogamy for mankind as a species. It facilitates greater crossbreeding and, therefore, greater diversity in the gene pool.

[Maxwell Smart]

You're a funny dude.

Har har, and you're a tarheel. Either respond to my arguments like an adult or don't participate. I don't have time for this crap.

Read it again and try to realize how by using your argument, the most ridiculous **** can happen.

No, it can't. Consenting adults- that is the standard. It cannot lead to people marrying animals because animals are not adult human beings obviously and it won't lead to people marrying children because children aren't adults who can take part in a marriage anyway.

[Emrys]

With the latest news of the gay marriage ban being pushed by conservative forces and the new law which prohibits demonstrating at soldiers funerals, while the law making body turned a blind eye towards it when it was done to funerals of homosexuals in the past, I start to think that gays in america cannot hope that their rights are adequately represented and defended by american law making and enforcing bodies.


The question is what could the gay community do to give their members a sense of security and to ensure that they will get justice? I personally believe it is high time that the gay community does something similar to the black community when they decided to create the Black Panthers Party, meaning, getting fire armes to protect themselves and their loved ones against law enforcement organisation and other groups as well as individuals who are openly anti-gay, with violence if necessary. It's obvious that no one else will protect their rights as citizens so they have to do it themselves.

[Kritish]

With the latest news of the gay marriage ban being pushed by conservative forces and the new law which prohibits demonstrating at soldiers funerals, while the law making body turned a blind eye towards it when it was done to funerals of homosexuals in the past, I start to think that gays in america cannot hope that their rights are adequately represented and defended by american law making and enforcing bodies.


The question is what could the gay community do to give their members a sense of security and to ensure that they will get justice? I personally believe it is high time that the gay community does something similar to the black community when they decided to create the Black Panthers Party, meaning, getting fire armes to protect themselves and their loved ones against law enforcement organisation and other groups as well as individuals who are openly anti-gay, with violence if necessary. It's obvious that no one else will protect their rights as citizens so they have to do it themselves.

The mental image of homosexuals armed with AK-47's and marching down the street kind of scares me.

Remember, when they fight they fight fabulously!

[RogueLDN]

marching? surely you mean mincing, actually that would make pure comedy genius, BEWARE THE ARMY OF THE GAYS

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Viva La Violent Gay Revolution!

[RogueLDN]

somehting lke the black panthers? hmmmm... how bout the pink penis or the rainbow warriors, or maybe an abreviation like the S.A.S maybe G.G.T.W
Gays going to war

[Noon]

Isn't that a Monty Python sketch?

[Kritish]

¡Desea vivo la revolución gay!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Famousphotoche-cropped.jpg

[RogueLDN]

yeah it rang a bell somehwere like that noon

[Kritish]

somehting lke the black panthers? hmmmm... how bout the pink penis or the rainbow warriors, or maybe an abreviation like the S.A.S maybe G.G.T.W
Gays going to war

The Rainbow warriors are geen peace

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Queereye-promo.jpg

[RogueLDN]

christ imagine those guys with guns

oops hang oon christ doesnt recognise the gays

[Erzengel]

The next group to fall after those who oppressed them are the fashion victims. Get thee to D&G folks. :eek:

[kane9321]

hopefully it wont come to this...gay peeps should have the right to get married..an such.

pink power?

[Kritish]

It's just not going to work...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Willandgrace.jpg

[ico]

http://linfodunet.lautre.net/spip/IMG/cache-200x200/your-gay-army-hehe-200x200.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/gay_village/pride_2004/gallery8/images/army.jpg

[RogueLDN]

allthough the gay guy on the left looks like hes confused and about to stiuck his hand up her skirt

[ico]

God there are a ton of these on google;

http://cca.analisidifesa.it/resources/image/resource_brhvnbgmptkfpibojsxq.jpg

[sinewave]

The mental image of homosexuals armed with AK-47's and marching down the street kind of scares me.

Remember, when they fight they fight fabulously!

dude, what's a moron like you quoting tom waits for?

[Kritish]

San Francisco could become the next Afghanistan.

[Kritish]

dude, what's a moron like you quoting tom waits for?

Screw you.

[ico]

^ Handbags at dawn.

[RogueLDN]

oooh get you' quick Kritish its one of the pink army.

[Kritish]

Rage against the Heteros

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/RATM1.jpg

[RogueLDN]

http://www.radicalruss.net/blog/images/rainbow-soldiers.jpg

Hee heeh eeheheh couldnt resist

[RogueLDN]

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~rwh/squaddie.jpg

LOL theres more

[Kritish]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/QaF-%28US%29-cast.jpg

I'm scared. :(

[sinewave]

With the latest news of the gay marriage ban being pushed by conservative forces and the new law which prohibits demonstrating at soldiers funerals, while the law making body turned a blind eye towards it when it was done to funerals of homosexuals in the past, I start to think that gays in america cannot hope that their rights are adequately represented and defended by american law making and enforcing bodies.


The question is what could the gay community do to give their members a sense of security and to ensure that they will get justice? I personally believe it is high time that the gay community does something similar to the black community when they decided to create the Black Panthers Party, meaning, getting fire armes to protect themselves and their loved ones against law enforcement organisation and other groups as well as individuals who are openly anti-gay, with violence if necessary. It's obvious that no one else will protect their rights as citizens so they have to do it themselves.

this is pretty ridiculous. there's no way the gay marriage amendment is going to pass. it's just another divisive political move to help mobilize the republican party's conservative base prior to this year's elections. gays will eventually be more and more accepted by society, like blacks were after the civil rights movement. we just need to ride out this oppressive neo-con regime and maybe start getting better public education accross the country. plus, the more old-school christian conservatives that die off, the more progressive the country will become. it'll take another 50 years, or so, and if the world hasn't been destroyed by global warming, gays will be almost completely accepted by society. it's sad that it'll take that long, but that's probably how it will happen.

[November Rain]

wow......this actually made it off the cutting room floor....

[RogueLDN]

arent we all my friend arent we all,

i can imagine the invasion, they'll arrive by the back door when we least expect it and go for the most intrusive tactics. Anyone not passed by the queer eye crew will be exterminated

[Kritish]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay3.jpg

[RogueLDN]

http://www.bluestarpr.com/docs/gay.jpg

[Kritish]

Ryan Seacrest and Richard Simmons are the Generals.

[Emrys]

So it's somehow wrong for homosexuals to defend themselves when they are threatened? after all the pure comedic gold in this thread indicates just that. Let yourself get beaten up, discriminated against and be treaten like second class citizens without any chance for justice?

[Danalys]

i think they should peacibly tell the people telling them they can't get married to go **** themselves.

or they could team up with lesbians and get married to lesbians. but live with their true husband or wife so to speak.

[Kritish]

So it's somehow wrong for homosexuals to defend themselves when they are threatened? after all the pure comedic gold in this thread indicates just that. Let yourself get beaten up, discriminated against and be treaten like second class citizens without any chance for justice?

No, I'm all for it.

In fact, It's fabulous!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Richard_Simmons-Sweatin_to_the_Oldies_3.jpg

[jaguarr]

this is pretty ridiculous. there's no way the gay marriage amendment is going to pass. it's just another divisive political move to help mobilize the republican party's conservative base prior to this year's elections. gays will eventually be more and more accepted by society, like blacks were after the civil rights movement. we just need to ride out this oppressive neo-con regime and maybe start getting better public education accross the country. plus, the more old-school christian conservatives that die off, the more progressive the country will become. it'll take another 50 years, or so, and if the world hasn't been destroyed by global warming, gays will be almost completely accepted by society. it's sad that it'll take that long, but that's probably how it will happen.

:up:

Although, it would be AWESOME to hear some militant gays say something like "We are the Pink Pantherssss and we have big gunssss! Don't make us plug you!" (Sorry...I couldn't resist. :O )

jag

[Kritish]

http://www.richardsimmons.com/

[Emrys]

No, I'm all for it.

In fact, It's fabulous!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Richard_Simmons-Sweatin_to_the_Oldies_3.jpg

Consideringt that it were a bunch of drag queens that gave New Yorks finest a run for their money in 1969 I'd say it's indeed fabulous.

[Kritish]

Consideringt that it were a bunch of drag queens that gave New Yorks finest a run for their money in 1969 I'd say it's indeed fabulous.

1969 :eek: :up:

[Emrys]

:up:

Although, it would be AWESOME to hear some militant gays say something like "We are the Pink Pantherssss and we have big gunssss! Don't make us plug you!" (Sorry...I couldn't resist. :O )

jag

Yeah because every homosexuals is a flaming queen. No wonder gays are discriminated against in the US with that kind of narrowminded idiocity.

[jaguarr]

Yeah because every homosexuals is a flaming queen. No wonder gays are discriminated against in the US with that kind of narrowminded idiocity.

It was a JOKE you oversensitive a-hole. I probably have more gay friends than you've ever met in your entire life!

jag

[Erzengel]

Yeah because every homosexuals is a flaming queen. No wonder gays are discriminated against in the US with that kind of narrowminded idiocity.

It's always not funny when it hits too close to home. So who is it your family or a friend?

[Kritish]

Yeah because every homosexuals is a flaming queen. No wonder gays are discriminated against in the US with that kind of narrowminded idiocity.

What's up your butt?

Oh wait,.....

[Emrys]

1969 :eek: :up:



Jupp, the incident was called the "Stonewall riots" and it was the birthing hour of the gay rights movement.

[Kritish]

It was a JOKE you oversensitive a-hole. I probably have more gay friends than you've ever met in your entire life!

jag

Holy Metrosexual Batman! :batman: :eek:

[RogueLDN]

this isnt obviously to be taken seriously, it's a bit of fun on a website board, not a political and social attack on a minority group.

[Erzengel]

this isnt obviously to be taken seriously, it's a bit of fun on a website board, not a political and social attack on a minority group.
Yeah like those bad driving asians. Ugh.

[jaguarr]

Holy Metrosexual Batman! :batman: :eek:

Nahhh...I'm too butch to be a metrosexual. :)

jag

[cass]

What's up your butt?

Oh wait,.....

LOL

[Kritish]

LOL

I couldn't resist.

[Super Flight]

hahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahhaha

hey if their breaking the law, you know what needs to be done...

*picks up baseball bat*

[RogueLDN]

LOL theres a bar in london called stone walls open all night thats a gay place, all our students go there when we get chucked out of our SU