Discussion: Gay Rights

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_8.gifThey should now change their name from N'SYNC to N'ANCY.

[E. Bison]

at first i was happy lance was gay (as said in my first post) now i feel funny about it. the media is running with it, and i'm like, "dudes, it's not that serious". also, now i have to think if he's the butch or the ****** and i dont really wanna know anymore. this has creeped me out to no end. good for lance though, i'm proud.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Bison_shocked.jpgHave you seen the guy who Lance is with? Lance IS the b**ch for sure. Let'z just say that this guy will be tearing something in Lance and it definiteyly ain't gonna be his heart.

[Kevin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Bison_shocked.jpgHave you seen the guy who Lance is with? Lance IS the b**ch for sure. Let'z just say that this guy will be tearing something in Lance and it definiteyly ain't gonna be his heart. i saw the guy and i'm trying my best to not think about it. i don't want lance, in mind mind, to seem like less of a man then he already looks.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_10.jpgWhat are you talking about? He NEVER looked like a man...EVER!! He looks like an old little kid. He always did. He looks like he could be Ellen Degeneres's daughter.

[The Geek Vault]

Yeah, I can't say I'm suprised.

[Kevin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_10.jpgWhat are you talking about? He NEVER looked like a man...EVER!! He looks like an old little kid. He always did. He looks like he could be Ellen Degeneres's daughter.what i was trying to say was that he already looked like a fa9, and the thought of him "taking it" would farther make him looking like a fa9 and thats a thought i dont wanna think about

[AnimeJune]

You've got a dirty whorish mouth.

You are a smelly pirate hooker so Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?

I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker.

You're a real hooker. I'm gonna slap you in public.I'm gonna shoot you with a BB gun when you're not looking. Yep, back of the head.


Yeah that's a form of class you can only imagine.:up: :)"I stabbed a man in the heart!"

Anyone else eagerly anticipating Judd Apatow's next movie, Knocked Up?

[LexCorp]

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[Spider-Bite]

I am a hetero sexual male. I am not sexually attracted nor in love with my hand, but in my lifetime I have masterbated a very large number of times. now this hand of mine, belongs to me, who is male, so my hand is a male hand.

[celldog]

wait, so I'm supposed to believe that THIS GUY....

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/imdaly/rally.jpg


...is GAY?!?!?!





You're $#*@ing kidding me, right??


Do we now take the "B" off of his last name?? :confused:

[Untilteld]

"I stabbed a man in the heart!"



I've been meaning to talk to you about that, you might wanna lay down for a little while.

[SapphirePrima]

Did he date Dannielle Fiscle(sp)/Topanga from Boy Meets World? :eek:

[The Female Torch]

Do we now take the "B" off of his last name?? :confused:

Rude peoples, what makes him an ass?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/imdaly/rally.jpg

:D


..wait is that shirt for him? o.O

[E. Bison]

Did he date Dannielle Fiscle(sp)/Topanga from Boy Meets World? :eek:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/bison-msh8.gifHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!! YEAH SHE DID!! Hilaryious!! Poor girl, she probably wondered why he only wanted to enter her house through the back door.

[The Female Torch]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/bison-msh8.gifHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!! YEAH SHE DID!!

She??? Lance is a he

[E. Bison]

She??? Lance is a he
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_10.gifI meant she as in Danielle Fishel dated him. I wonder what she's thinking about right now? Did she always know? Did she date him only to help him cover it up? Did she ever wonder why he was good at picking clothes out for her?

[Sarge 2.0]

He was referring to the girl who played Topanga.

[AnimeJune]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/bison-msh8.gifHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!! YEAH SHE DID!! Hilaryious!! Poor girl, she probably wondered why he only wanted to enter her house through the back door.I'm not that surprised - I've always been convinced Topenga was a drag queen.

Hey, but I think there have always been hints about Lance's orientation. In fact, I think the other 'Syncers' caught on earlier than they've been saying:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2757982

[SapphirePrima]

I'm not that surprised - I've always been convinced Topenga was a drag queen.

Hey, but I think there have always been hints about Lance's orientation. In fact, I think the other 'Syncers' caught on earlier than they've been saying:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2757982


Don't you dare diss anyone from the Boy Meets World cast:mad: :down

[AnimeJune]

Don't you dare diss anyone from the Boy Meets World cast:mad: :down Topenga is uh-gleh.

The only cool person there was Eric, and THAT was because he went on to voice Terry McGuiness in Batman Beyond.

And Ron Stoppable in Kim Possible, but I choose to ignore that.

[The Female Torch]

okay?

[unstoppable]

YOU mean to say only one was gay? that's impossible

[The Apatow Crew]

"I stabbed a man in the heart!"

Anyone else eagerly anticipating Judd Apatow's next movie, Knocked Up?Yeah it should be a good one. katherine heigi is in it.

I pooped a hammer, Idrank a lava lamp but it wasn't really lava. i love lamp. i love table.

[The Apatow Crew]

Rude peoples, what makes him an ass?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/imdaly/rally.jpg

:D


..wait is that shirt for him? o.OIf you don't know what we mean then never mind.

[The Female Torch]

If you don't know what we mean then never mind.

Didn't ask you...You all anti gay poeples can just get over yourselves...seriously, its his choice let him be gay, not like anything you guys can do about it

[The Apatow Crew]

Didn't ask you...You all anti gay poeples can just get over yourselves...seriously, its his choice let him be gay, not like anything you guys can do about itLike we care if he's gay.

and what do you mean there's anything we can do.

whats that suppose to mean?

like we care if he is or not.

[The Female Torch]

You guys are so rude about him, he's a cool guy...let him be

[The Apatow Crew]

You guys are so rude about him, he's a cool guy...let him behow do you know he's cool guy?

i remember yoiu not being nice to a one tom cruise before in the gif thread a while back.

why don't you let him be?

[The Female Torch]

Eh Tom is least of my problems..

I bought the People mag with the Im Gay in the front and read the article on Lance, he sounds like a very ncie guy

[The Apatow Crew]

Eh Tom is least of my problems..

I bought the People mag with the Im Gay in the front and read the article on Lance, he sounds like a very ncie guyYeah that doesn't sound like a stunt to sell magazines. he's only doing it for more fame.

[The Female Torch]

Celebs are losers like that...but I dont really think he's gay, I think he thinks he's gay...But if he is people need to accept that...

[unstoppable]

You guys are so rude about him, he's a cool guy...let him bebout as cool as you get when your in a band that doesn't play any instruments and can't sing

[The Female Torch]

Yea they can sing...but not greatly

[Green Goblin 1964]

nothin new.............i saw this comin anyway.........

[Sabretooth]

Ha. ANybody see the The Soup where they made covers for the other NSync guys?

Justin Timberlake: ''I sing like I'm gay''
JC Chasez: ''I'm unemployed''
Joey Fatone: ''I'm Fat''

And uh,they forgot that other guy :(

[Green Goblin 1964]

for anyone who watched cribs 100th episode yesterday. did you guys see Joey fatone's crib DAY-UM!!!(in a good way)

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, I had a long conversation with my mother about why you can or cannot compare the words n*gger and f*ggot to each other. I'm all for both words being super, mega-taboo but my mother feels differently because she doesn't think the homosexual struggle is as bad as the African American struggle. I'll elaborate more on the conversation if the thread calls for it. And actually, in light of the talk; I think I like my mom a little less now :(

So I don't feel crazy and like a lone wolf; is there anybody else who feels like I do? That both words are just as despicable and disgusting as each other and should never be used? (That includes in songs, jokes, or even out of frustration like when playing a sport or video game) I hear the F word used FAR too often when enough people gather around for a game of Madden and somebody scores a few too many touchdowns :mad:

[Mr Sparkle]

I think any words that are used to demean are exactly the same, why should some be worse than others?

[Colossal Spoons]

Because apparently, only the passage of time makes derogatory words worse than others. :rolleyes:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think any words that are used to demean are exactly the same, why should some be worse than others?mmmm...."Doo-Doo Head"....."Pig-F***er".

[Super Flight]

balck people and gay people are totally different, for the black people it was about how they looked, and for the gay people it was about how they act

If you hate some one becasue they way they look is horrible, but if you hate some one becasue the way they act is understandable

[Colossal Spoons]

Right, but are the derogatory words for them different?

[Colossal Spoons]

balck people and gay people are totally different, for the black people it was about how they looked, and for the gay people it was about how they act

If you hate some one becasue they look is ****ing reatard, but if you hate some one becasue the way they act is understandable

My mother's point exactly. She argued that gay people chose to be the way they are so any persecution is ultimately self-inflicted; while ub black people were born this way. I disagree 10000%

[Mr Sparkle]

mmmm...."Doo-Doo Head"....."Pig-F***er".

LOL, Pig****er:)
I meant like, **** is as bad as ****** is as Bad as Chink is as bad as any all slurs, why would ****** be any better?

LOL,
"dude, he totally called you a ***"
"yeah, but a least he didn't call me a ******"


:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

I just wish older people didn't feel that way about gay people. It's almost as if they don't see anything wrong with demeaning somebody for their sexual orientation, but the color of skin is SOO much worse.

[Lackey]

queer used to be a derogatory word, now they use it in TV shows that showcase homosexual talents and demean heterosexuals :confused:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

well, though no one should have to do it, you can at least hide the fact that you're gay, whereas hiding your Blackness would be impossible, unless you're Eddie Murphy. So that's one valid difference .

[Lackey]

I just wish older people didn't feel that way about gay people. It's almost as if they don't see anything wrong with demeaning somebody for their sexual orientation, but the color of skin is SOO much worse.


you can't hide your race

[Colossal Spoons]

you can't hide your race

And you shouldn't have to hide who you like either.

[jaguarr]

I think any words that are used to demean are exactly the same, why should some be worse than others?

:up:

jag

[Lackey]

And you shouldn't have to hide who you like either.


there's a difference between being persecuted for who you like and being persecuted for who you are

[Colossal Spoons]

They both sound like they're equally unenjoyable to me.

I wish I knew a gay black person. I'd love their opinion on this topic.

[Charlie No-One]

There shouldn't be a difference. Both words are terrible.

[jaguarr]

queer used to be a derogatory word, now they use it in TV shows that showcase homosexual talents and demean heterosexuals :confused:

That's because the gay community has embraced the word "queer" as their own in order to disempower it, much in the same way blacks have done with the "N" word. The same rules apply, too, as they usually don't like to be called queer by straight people as it's reserved for use amongst their own culture. You wouldn't wander into Compton and start calling everyone "Ni**a" if you were white guy. Wandering the Castro District in San Francisco or the East Village in New York and calling people "queer" would get you pretty much the same result.

jag

[jaguarr]

If you hate some one becasue they way they look is horrible, but if you hate some one becasue the way they act is understandable

Yeah, just like Hitler hated the Jews. :rolleyes:

jag

[C.F. Kane]

I think the six-letter f-word is more accepted because homophobia is a more or less accepted belief. As Super Flight said, people think it's acceptable to hate someone for their actions. Which makes perfect sense in most cases.

The obvious problem with this is that homosexuality is not action. It's identity. Homosexuals can't change their desires any more than a man can change the color of his skin. And it's because of this that homophobia is just as despicable as racism.

[Colossal Spoons]

Something else that strikes me as dumb; why do people call each other the F word when the situation has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

"Aw, you like pickles on your cheeseburgers. You ***."
........what :confused:

Same goes for all explitives too. Everytime I've ever called somebody a MFer, it had nothing to do with mothers or sex.

[jaguarr]

Something else that strikes me as dumb; why do people call each other the F word when the situation has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

"Aw, you like pickles on your cheeseburgers. You ***."
........what :confused:

Same goes for all explitives too. Everytime I've ever called somebody a MFer, it had nothing to do with mothers or sex.

Because the context in those cases is that it's intended to be an insult.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

But is it really? If that's the case, we can turn anything into an insult if the context changes. I can call you a "grape"(no connection to a "fruit" :p) and you should be offended?

[Mr Sparkle]

well, though no one should have to do it, you can at least hide the fact that you're gay, whereas hiding your Blackness would be impossible, unless you're Eddie Murphy. So that's one valid difference .


Unless you're Mariah Carey, for years I thought she was white.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Something else that strikes me as dumb; why do people call each other the F word when the situation has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

"Aw, you like pickles on your cheeseburgers. You ***."
........what :confused:

Same goes for all explitives too. Everytime I've ever called somebody a MFer, it had nothing to do with mothers or sex.That's hilarious in Shaun of the Dead.
The guy is all sad 'cause his woman dumped him and he's blubbering to his best friend about how in love he is with her, how he'll die without her, and his friends says disdainfully "GAY!:down".

[Tangled Web]

Yeah, I don't like the word ****** and think that it's used way to much. I also hate how the word gay is used to describe somethink negative.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, Wilhelm.

I wish the out of context explitives were limited to teens and juvenile people but I hear so many adults who should really know better, saying them too. Sickening.

[Lackey]

The obvious problem with this is that homosexuality is not action. It's identity.


it's an identity based on an action just like "****" or "theif" :o

[Lackey]

That's because the gay community has embraced the word "queer" as their own in order to disempower it, much in the same way blacks have done with the "N" word. The same rules apply, too, as they usually don't like to be called queer by straight people as it's reserved for use amongst their own culture. You wouldn't wander into Compton and start calling everyone "Ni**a" if you were white guy. Wandering the Castro District in San Francisco or the East Village in New York and calling people "queer" would get you pretty much the same result.

jag


no, it's not the same at all... that's why you can say "queer" on TV and not "n*gger"

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I don't like the word ****** and think that it's used way to much. I also hate how the word gay is used to describe somethink negative.

It makes me wonder if there ever was time when the N word was used to describe something negative. I know "ghetto" is and it makes no sense either.

[Mr Sparkle]

it's an identity based on an action just like "****" or "theif" :o

what of those who are born homosexuals, much like one is born black?

[Colossal Spoons]

it's an identity based on an action just like "****" or "theif" :o

You can be gay and not have hit on or had sex with a member of the same sex; I'd say it's more about feelings. You can't be a thief until you've stolen something.

[jaguarr]

But is it really? If that's the case, we can turn anything into an insult if the context changes. I can call you a "grape"(no connection to a "fruit" :p) and you should be offended?

What did you call me, you no good lawnmower??? :mad:

You raise a good point in that these are only words and they really only hurt if we empower them to do so. The dangerous thing behind them is the intent and mindset of the one that utters them. If they're Klansmen yelling the "N" word while roaming the streets with a length of rope, looking for a victim, suddenly that word is very dangerous. Same as the word "fa**ot" coming from the mouths of some drunk, redneck homophobes following a young man walking down the street in their pickup truck. Those are cliche' stereotypes I know, but they bring home the point that words such as those, especially in a groupthink situation, can incite dangerous actions. The words themselves, though? Meaningless other than what's behind them.

jag

[Lackey]

what of those who are born homosexuals, much like one is born black?


someone could be born a nympho or klepto too

[Colossal Spoons]

someone could be born a nympho or klepto too

I agree about the nympho part cuz you just have to crave sex all the time but can you really be a klepto unil you've stolen that first item?

[jaguarr]

no, it's not the same at all... that's why you can say "queer" on TV and not "n*gger"

Actually, I hear the "N" word on cable all the time. And "queer" also has a regular, dictionary-documented meaning other than the one intended as a slur against homosexuals, so it's a bit harder to censor. In both cases, each of those words have been embraced by their targeted groups as a way of disempowering what would otherwise be an insult, and when used by someone other than them, it's still taken that way by those demographic groups.

Where you and I are probably diverging here is that you don't seem to recognize gay people as being born that way and unable to change how they are, and I do.

jag

[Whirlysplat]

Ok, I had a long conversation with my mother about why you can or cannot compare the words n*gger and f*ggot to each other. I'm all for both words being super, mega-taboo but my mother feels differently because she doesn't think the homosexual struggle is as bad as the African American struggle. I'll elaborate more on the conversation if the thread calls for it. And actually, in light of the talk; I think I like my mom a little less now :(

So I don't feel crazy and like a lone wolf; is there anybody else who feels like I do? That both words are just as despicable and disgusting as each other and should never be used? (That includes in songs, jokes, or even out of frustration like when playing a sport or video game) I hear the F word used FAR too often when enough people gather around for a game of Madden and somebody scores a few too many touchdowns :mad:


The word ****** dates to the Spanish Inquisition where homosexuals were thrown on fires like the other kind of ****** of wood. It has an equally unpleasant history to the word ******. Both are disgusting.

- Whirly

[Colossal Spoons]

Where you and I are probably diverging here is that you don't seem to recognize gay people as being born that way and unable to change how they are, and I do.

jag

I wish we caould all be on the same page in regards to that issue.

[Mr Sparkle]

someone could be born a nympho or klepto too

however there is higher incidence of people born homosexuals.:confused:
what makes it, like , OK to call them stuff.
"****" supossedly because it flies in the face of decency, "thief" because, well, you steal stuff and thus deprive other people of their possesions.

but ******?

LOL, I just realized that there's no real insult for people that steal.:)

[Tangled Web]

I'm a nympho.

[Colossal Spoons]

You're a virgin too. :(

[jaguarr]

I'm a nympho.

Excellent. Go f**k yourself. :)

jag

[Lackey]

"****" supossedly because it flies in the face of decency


depends what you consider decent

[Colossal Spoons]

If the generation before mine(The Baby Boomers) could come to accept black people for the most part, then I don't see why they can't do the same for gay people.

[Lackey]

Actually, I hear the "N" word on cable all the time. And "queer" also has a regular, dictionary-documented meaning other than the one intended as a slur against homosexuals, so it's a bit harder to censor. In both cases, each of those words have been embraced by their targeted groups as a way of disempowering what would otherwise be an insult, and when used by someone other than them, it's still taken that way by those demographic groups.

Where you and I are probably diverging here is that you don't seem to recognize gay people as being born that way and unable to change how they are, and I do.

jag

no, that's not where we're diverging, I never said gays weren't born that way

I'm curious, what shows or channels do you hear the "N" word on "all the time"?

[Obi-Ron]

I'm all for both words being super, mega-taboo

I believe in the theory that sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

[tzarinna]

"Towel heads" is getting out of hand as well :mad:

[Lackey]

I believe in the theory that sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.



what about "The pen is mightier than the sword"?

[Lackey]

"Towel heads" is getting out of hand as well :mad:


well, quit wearing a towel on your head :mad:

[Colossal Spoons]

I believe in the theory that sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

I agree with you. I'm 99% unoffendable but I'd stil like to see both words abolished.

[jaguarr]

no, that's not where we're diverging, I never said gays weren't born that way

I'm curious, what shows or channels do you hear the "N" word on "all the time"?

Comedy Central for one. Carlos Mencia says it and he isn't even black. Dave Chappelle uses it often, as well. I've also heard it on TNT, SPIKE, FX and a few others.

jag

[Tangled Web]

Excellent. Go f**k yourself. :)

jag
Ok.

[Colossal Spoons]

Comedy Central for one. Carlos Mencia says it and he isn't even black. Dave Chappelle uses it often, as well. I've also heard it on TNT, SPIKE, FX and a few others.

jag

If I had to blame somebody for the continued use of the two words it would have to be rap music and frat boys :mad:

[jaguarr]

If I had to blame somebody for the continued use of the two words it would have to be rap music and frat boys :mad:

Yeah, both of those words are used pretty heavily in rap music, for sure. And frat boys should all just die, anyway. :)

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I hear more frat guys call each other gay for the most trivial reasons. I can only shake my head.

[jaguarr]

I hear more frat guys call each other gay for the most trivial reasons. I can only shake my head.

Well, the interesting part about that is that there's probably a higher percentage of them that are fighting those tendencies than any of them would care to admit. A lot of the frats have some VERY homoerotic intiiation rites, as well.

jag

[Holly Goodhead]

We always go to this super expensive secluded country club up in the waay north of Wisconsin and my cousin brought his friend (who is black) and my grandma asked my dad if black people were allowed there. lol she's soo f;ing cute it's sick.

[Hooligan32]

Old people aren't cute. They're cancerous.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, the interesting part about that is that there's probably a higher percentage of them that are fighting those tendencies than any of them would care to admit. A lot of the frats have some VERY homoerotic intiiation rites, as well.

jag

Yeah, what is up with the paddling? :(

[Holly Goodhead]

Old people aren't cute. They're cancerous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1790000/images/_1794734_stoli300.jpg

Nana? :(

[Hooligan32]

lol. That's really your grandmother isn't it?

[Holly Goodhead]

Basically

[jaguarr]

Yeah, what is up with the paddling? :(

Or the senior members making the pledges do circle jerks while they watch? Yeah....that kind of crap really happens. And yet they throw around gay epithets as insults? Methinks the ladies doth protest too much. :)

jag

[Tangled Web]

Or the senior members making the pledges do circle jerks while they watch? Yeah....that kind of crap really happens. And yet they throw around gay epithets as insults? Methinks the ladies doth protest too much. :)

jag
What frat is this?

[jaguarr]

What frat is this?

Don't remember which one. A buddy of mine who went to Stanford told me about it (he wasn't a pledge but knew someone who quit because of that goofy crap).

jag

[Erzengel]

I thought this was going to be how it was harder for gays if they were black thread.

There are rumors out there that Luthor Vandross was gay and you just look at the dude and all his love songs, and honestly the thought never crossed my mind.

[Mr Sparkle]

depends what you consider decent

hence "supossedly":o

[TNC9852002]

We need to get Lightnin Strikez in here...

-TNC

[Tangled Web]

Don't remember which one. A buddy of mine who went to Stanford told me about it (he wasn't a pledge but knew someone who quit because of that goofy crap).

jag
Haha. That sounds like Stanford alright.

[jaguarr]

We need to get Lightnin Strikez in here...

-TNC

Why?

jag

[Kmack]

I thought this was going to be how it was harder for gays if they were black thread.

There are rumors out there that Luthor Vandross was gay and you just look at the dude and all his love songs, and honestly the thought never crossed my mind.
I've heard of those rumors too, but I thought they were just in the idiotic imdb boards.

[Erzengel]

He could have had tons of women doing what he does but he was rarely photographed with any of them and brought like his mother to awards shows.

[WeaponZ2]

balck people and gay people are totally different, for the black people it was about how they looked, and for the gay people it was about how they act

If you hate some one becasue they way they look is horrible, but if you hate some one becasue the way they act is understandable


So I can call people stupid ****s? cool.

[The Female Torch]

Um okay that has to do with Lance how???

[Wilhelm-Scream]

One of the funniest things is when a white racist gets caught talking about "those damn N*****s", and he justifies it by saying that it has nothing to do with race.

They always say, "No, no...I mean, there are WHITE n*****s. A n***** is just an ignorant or lazy person, or a criminal...a bad person. There are lots of Black people who aren't n*****s. There are German n*****s, Chinese n*****s...."

This is very common, however, as it happens, everytime I've seen this defense used, the person just happened to be talking about a group of Black people at the start of it. I'm....sure at other times they complain about the n*****s in Congress, or all the cowardly, two-faced n*****s in the French government.
:rolleyes:

I last saw this one used on...20/20 I believe it was, where they had a hidden camera in a taxi cab and the cab driver was an actor paid to keep saying racist things to see if the passengers would stand up to him or join in on the name-calling.

Very disturbing when this cute little old lady was talking about how all "AYrabs" should be deported, just to be safe.

[The Last Meatbag]

F-ggot is used really often today, particularly with a lot of teenagers its weird how its used though, they use it without really thinking, calling someone or something gay seems the same as calling someone or something stupid now...I think that using both of those words isn't cool....and I think many younger people are more lenient with using the word f-ggot than using the word n*gger :o..

.....but thats just me

[Colossal Spoons]

We need to get Lightnin Strikez in here...

-TNC

Why? Is he gay and/or black?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Couldn't it be argued that "f*****" is being used to mean "lame", and that's "terrible", but homosexuals shouldn't've commandeered the word "gay", because it used to mean "happy, care-free", and now, when an old person wants to say that they had a "happy, care-free" vacation, and they say "We had a GAY old time!", their language was pirated?

I've known or known of many homosexuals that were anything but "gay".

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why? Is he gay and/or black?He's black, I know.
Is he gay?

[Colossal Spoons]

One of the funniest things is when a white racist gets caught talking about "those damn N*****s", and he justifies it by saying that it has nothing to do with race.

They always say, "No, no...I mean, there are WHITE n*****s. A n***** is just an ignorant or lazy person, or a criminal...a bad person. There are lots of Black people who aren't n*****s. There are German n*****s, Chinese n*****s...."

This is very common, however, as it happens, everytime I've seen this defense used, the person just happened to be talking about a group of Black people at the start of it. I'm....sure at other times they complain about the n*****s in Congress, or all the cowardly, two-faced n*****s in the French government.
:rolleyes:

I last saw this one used on...20/20 I believe it was, where they had a hidden camera in a taxi cab and the cab driver was an actor paid to keep saying racist things to see if the passengers would stand up to him or join in on the name-calling.

Very disturbing when this cute little old lady was talking about how all "AYrabs" should be deported, just to be safe.


Haha.

People never mean what they say when it could potentially come off as racist. Gotta cover your tracks :rolleyes:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I'm like, "Okay, well why don't you call all of these White low-lifes "Spics" (hey, why doesn't the Hype asterisk th<t one out?!?) or "Chinks" (ditto).

So ridiculous.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, selective censorship.

[Mee]

They were both in N'SYNC. And in theory, both gay.

[Erzengel]

Fanny Bandits
Darkies
Slopes
*******s
Crackers
Towel Heads

Any astericks?

Nope.

I just wanted an excuse to say all that. :o

[The Last Meatbag]

Well cracker doesn't offend me at all, because its one of the stupidest racial slurs I've ever heard :o


well they're all stupid...

but......




I just don't understand how it is offensive towards white people


..........do I like like a snacking treat?

[Sasquatch]

Cracker and honkey just make me laugh and even chuckle.

[Colossal Spoons]

Most slurs are stupid to the point of humor.

P.S. I definately typed "****s" instead of "slurs" the first time :p

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I don't believe in Double Standards.

If it's bad to use racial slurs, then it's bad to use racial slurs.

It's not like I, as a white dude, should have to be de-humanized because someone I've never met was cruel to a Black guy once.

If it's wrong, it's WRONG.

Another great HYPE-ocrisy.

[Sasquatch]

Or Hype-ocritical

[tzarinna]

I think I can get him to switch teams :o

[Mee]

I think I can get him to switch teams :o
Joey Fat-One?

[tzarinna]

Hmm,no
I'm all about Lance :(

[tzarinna]

Well cracker doesn't offend me at all, because its one of the stupidest racial slurs I've ever heard :o


well they're all stupid...

but......




I just don't understand how it is offensive towards white people


..........do I like like a snacking treat?


Cracka makes me sad :(

[Carter]

I use racial slurs all the time, but never in a malicious way if that makes sense.

[JLBats]

Or Hype-ocritical

...:down:confused:

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dont see anything wrong with the term, ******. its the n word that really pinches my nerves.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

i dont see anything wrong with the term, ******. its the n word that really pinches my nerves.Well, you're an established bigot, so, no surprise there.

[Colossal Spoons]

i dont see anything wrong with the term, ******. its the n word that really pinches my nerves.

Homosexuals have had some scary stuff done to the over the years man.

[tzarinna]

Like the lesbians killed in DC,one was shot in the head and then her car was set on fire

[Wilhelm-Scream]

GAH doesn't live in our world.
He lives in the shadow of his mommy's thumb and he's too self-absorbed to empathize.
Waste o' time.:(

[Erzengel]

Isn't it the cultures fault for continuing to use the word n'ger in rap music and comedy stand up acts and in speaking in general? They are litterally perpetuating the word being more and more integrated in society.

F'got, I hear all the time on the radio and used as a disparaging term to insult someone's manhood as well as make fun of homosexuals. I don't hear further from that.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Homosexuals have had some scary stuff done to the over the years man.

I've seen homosexuals call thier friends ******s too. and i dont care much for homosexuals. i was really blown away when a freind of mine whomis black and was dating a white chick whom had female gay friends. he came to me saying that he overheard the lesbian arguing with his gf, because she does'nt like interracial dating...... i mean wtf?! double standard or what.

[JLBats]

I've seen homosexuals call thier friends ******s too. and i dont care much for homosexuals. i was really blown away when a freind of mine whomis black and was dating a white chick whom had female gay friends. he came to me saying that he overheard the lesbian arguing with his gf, because she does'nt like interracial dating...... i mean wtf?! double standard or what.

Um, by that logic, we could judge every black person by the ones who shoot people and glorify violence.

:down

[Extromaniac]

Well, it depends. N-gger, and N-gga, are apparently two different terms when dealing with the black society. But, apparently, they're both derrogatory when used by a white man (Makes no sense, but I suppose that's okay).

And F-ggot is also a derrogatory. I don't see the difference between them. They are both used (n-gga aside) as insults to ones manhood, social class, etc. I suppose it depends.. but both, in the end, are insults. None worse than the other.

[Extromaniac]

I've seen homosexuals call thier friends ******s too. and i dont care much for homosexuals. i was really blown away when a freind of mine whomis black and was dating a white chick whom had female gay friends. he came to me saying that he overheard the lesbian arguing with his gf, because she does'nt like interracial dating...... i mean wtf?! double standard or what.

If she doesn't like it, she can shove it. She shouldn't give someone a hard time about it because she doesn't like interracial dating. She's homosexual. She's also part of a 'taboo' of sorts. If she wouldn't want to be discriminated against for being homosexual, she should not be talking down to interracial dating. It's quite absurd.

[Erzengel]

Hold on let me get GAH's friend in here.

Where the white women at?
http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes10/BlazeSaddle141.jpeg

[Colossal Spoons]

I've seen homosexuals call thier friends ******s too. and i dont care much for homosexuals. i was really blown away when a freind of mine whomis black and was dating a white chick whom had female gay friends. he came to me saying that he overheard the lesbian arguing with his gf, because she does'nt like interracial dating...... i mean wtf?! double standard or what.

And us black people call each other n*gger all the time.

As for the rest of your story, that sucks but it's hardly a reason to condemn all homosexuals.

[Extromaniac]

And us black people call each other n*gger all the time.

As for the rest of your story, that sucks but it's hardly a reason to condemn all homosexuals.

I don't think he's condemning them.. as much as saying that lesbian has a double standard. She's taking part in a heavily frowned upon practice and doesn't want to get flak about it, but then she's looking down at another 'taboo' and giving her friend flak about it. It's not so much homosexuals, as that particular lesbian. It's a pretty sad thing to see, people that hypocritical. But I guess it comes with the territory.

Sort of like Chappelle's "Gay Ku Klux Klan" skit.

[Colossal Spoons]

Clayton Bigsby wasn't gay, he was black lol.

[Extromaniac]

He wasn't gay, he was Black lol. Clayton Bigsby.

No, the Gay Ku Klux Klan skit. It's a different one. But the Clayton Bigsby one was pretty funny as well. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll have to go look for this skit now.

I'm more than curious now as to why GAH sees no problem with f*ggot.

[GoldenAgeHero]

im not condemng anyone, i just would'nt expect it.

all in all i really don't care for what homosexuals do. they need to stop pretending like they have it worst than everyone.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I don't think he's condemning them.. as much as saying that lesbian has a double standard. She's taking part in a heavily frowned upon practice and doesn't want to get flak about it, but then she's looking down at another 'taboo' and giving her friend flak about it. It's not so much homosexuals, as that particular lesbian. It's a pretty sad thing to see, people that hypocritical. But I guess it comes with the territory.

Sort of like Chappelle's "Gay Ku Klux Klan" skit.

exactly.

[Colossal Spoons]

They've never claimed that. They just have it pretty bad still.

[Extromaniac]

Many of them have, but I really don't have a problem with them until they get up in my dick about how they're treated as second class citizens. They're not, they just can't freely marry everywhere. It's sort of their fault and it is not. I mean, people would probably be less abrasive over the subject and angry towards the homosexual community as a whole if they didn't flaunt their "gay pride" in hundreds of parades a year.

Okay, we get your homosexual, but your gender orientation is not a legit reason to hold parades that interfere with other people's lives several times a year. I don't go around holding a "Heterosexual pride" parade. It's just a ridiculous concept to me.

[Colossal Spoons]

So is a parade when a sports team wins a better cause? And you make it sound like they should hide their homosexuality.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'll have to go look for this skit now.

I'm more than curious now as to why GAH sees no problem with f*ggot.


maybe if i was gay my opinion would change. but to me the n word just has more stigma to it.

anyone can use the word ****** towards one another, its not just something that derorgartory towards gays. the way i see it its more of a universal slang.

let me ask you a question spoons. if you came up to your house and saw n*gger sprayed painted on your door, how would you feel?

say you saw the term f'ggot sprayed painted on your door, how would you feel?

do you think you'll get the same feelings?

[Colossal Spoons]

maybe if i was gay my opinion would change. but to me the n word just has more stigma to it.

anyone can use the word ****** towards one another, its not just something that derorgartory towards gays. the way i see it its more of a universal slang.

let me ask you a question spoons. if you came up to your house and saw n*gger sprayed painted on your door, how would you feel?

say you saw the term f'ggot sprayed painted on your door, how would you feel?

do you think you'll get the same feelings?

1. I hate the fact that people consider that universal slang. You say it's not just derogatory towards gay people? If you called me a f*ggot, I'd probably roll my eyes because of how ignorant you sound; not get furious and hit you.

2. Your question is all about perspective. Of course I'd be more offended over n*gger painted on my door; as I'm not gay. Ask Elton John that question and you'll likely get a different response.

[Extromaniac]

So is a parade when a sports team wins a better cause? And you make it sound like they should hide their homosexuality.

No, but they do it for the stupidest reason. They do it because of who they choose to sleep with and/or be with. Okay, that's great, but do you see heterosexuals going around holding "pride" parades? No, not at all. It would unsettle and upset people, mainly because it's a ridiculous thing to hold a parade about and flaunt. They can act as gay as they want, and show it, but they don't have to interrupt normal people's lives (gay and otherwise) with silly parades with near to no meaning.

And yes, winning a game is actually holding a parade for something. Some teams don't always win, so it's a great thing to win. What are homosexuals flaunting? Their day-to-day lives? OK. Not everyone wants to hear it or be involved with it. I'd probably get punched out if I held parades based on the little intricacies of my heterosexuality and my life. Why? Because it's downright annoying.

[Colossal Spoons]

I like ideas of gay pride parades because it makes homophobes have to go out of their way to ignore it. It's all about not keeping people in the dark.

[Extromaniac]

I like ideas of gay pride parades because it makes homophobes have to go out of their way to ignore it. It's all about not keeping people in the dark.

They don't have to be kept in the dark, but they don't have to hold parades about it either. I'm pretty sure some gay people would be pissed off if I went around their neighborhood flaunting how I was so heterosexual and loved women and all that bull. It's just annoying and unneeded.

[The Last Meatbag]

They're just celebrating their culture and they have a right to do so :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

They don't have to be kept in the dark, but they don't have to hold parades about it either. I'm pretty sure some gay people would be pissed off if I went around their neighborhood flaunting how I was so heterosexual and loved women and all that bull. It's just annoying and unneeded.

I didn't mean keeping the gay people in the dark. There are people so afraid of homosexuality that they choose to ignore it; which just breeds hate and lets it fester. If there's a parade in your town or on TV, you have to try a little harder to ignore it. They're the ones who can't stay in the dark.

[Mr. Credible]

I think any words that are used to demean are exactly the same, why should some be worse than others?

exactly.

the fact that nig*er has been a bad thing to say longer then saying ****ot doesn't make it any less of a bad thing.

[Extromaniac]

They're just celebrating their culture and they have a right to do so :confused:

Yes, but there's no need for it. That's the point, they want to be accepted, but they do a million things that just turns people off to what they're "fighting for". Would you think it a smart idea if I went around celebrating my heterosexual culture in the middle of a high homosexual populated neighborhood?

What is my point for doing this? Wanting to be accepted by homosexuals? Not really. And neither is holding a gay pride parade. All it's doing is helping to fuel anti-homosexual sentiment.

[The Last Meatbag]

I guess they just do it to show that they aren't afraid of exposing their sexuality because there has been people in the past who have been killed because of people finding out



I dunno :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

^That actually makes sense.

[Sloth7d]

I'm actually dissapointed the word N**ga became so popular on tv.
I partially blame the boondocks for this. As out of every show you hear the n word the most on it and it's not censoed.

[Movies205]

This thread is quite queer, because to use the word queer to mean *** is preposterous since a *** is a cigarette and well to be calling a *** a queer, well the whole thing is quite queer, don't you agree?

[Colossal Spoons]

You blame the boondocks for something that's been going on for a few years now?

[Leto Atrides]

Ok, I had a long conversation with my mother about why you can or cannot compare the words n*gger and f*ggot to each other. I'm all for both words being super, mega-taboo but my mother feels differently because she doesn't think the homosexual struggle is as bad as the African American struggle. I'll elaborate more on the conversation if the thread calls for it. And actually, in light of the talk; I think I like my mom a little less now :(

I think the difference doesn't lie in what your mother said, but in the origin of the words. N*gger was always intended to denote Black people.

F*ggot has had a whole bunch of meanings over the years, like prostitute, old woman, foolish person, etc. Most generally it was just "unmanly" like pansy or sissy. For a very long time it wasn't a derogatory term for gay men specifically. (The whole burning them at the stake, woodpile=F*ggot story is complete BS when you know about history and linguistics, much like the stories about f**k meaning "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, etc.)


Alright, that was a bit of tangent, but basically I'm saying n*gger is specfically intended to refer to Blacks, portraying being Black in the first place as something to be insulted for. F*ggot is just making fun of them for being effeminate, and could similarly be used for straight men who seem effeminate. It's bad, but not the same.

I don't think it's generally about a comparison of struggles though. D*ke is still considered very offensive (for other people to use), and that refers to gay women.

[Sloth7d]

You blame the boondocks for something that's been going on for a few years now?
I think it escalated it to it's peek.
The word hardly made it on any television program pre-boondocks.
After the boondocks aired, it seemed more shows embraced the word like its okay. Before haif a program used the word it was usually censored or was justified to show the negatives of racism.

[Warhammer]

It makes me mad when some of my friends use n*gga.
I don't like that word. I also hate it when people in a public place use it like it was nothing. Lack of respect.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think it escalated it to it's peek.
The word hardly made it on any television program pre-boondocks.
After the boondocks aired, it seemed more shows embraced the word like its okay. Before haif a program used the word it was usually censored or was justified to show the negatives of racism.

Um...Chappelle's Show?

[Sloth7d]

Um...Chappelle's Show?
It didn't seem like the word got as bad on Chappelle's show as it did on Boondocks. I remember constantly frowning on Boondocks for it's frequent uses of the word. Especially from that racist black guy, I really despise his character in the show.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh, it's more frequent on The Boondocks but sor some reason it packs more punch when Dave says it. Maybe it's his voice but he's been doing it way before The Boondocks. Uncle Rukus on the boondocks just pushed the limit of what's funny and what's not. I found his character to be humorous but then again I'm 99% unoffendable.

[Sloth7d]

Ican't stand his character. It makes no sense for someone to think like that. If he was white I honestly would be less offended. But hearing it from a man of same race makes me sick.

[Spidey-Bat]

Comparing stuggles is stupid. It's not a contest; suffering is suffering regardless of how long or how much. We should ban all derogatory terms and that goes for everyone. A black saying "******" is no less offensive than anyone else saying it.

[Alpha and Omega]

To tell you truth, those words really never bother me. I've always thought that words are granted or stripped of their power by the reactions of the 'recipient' or other individual. If you ignore things like that, they usually pass.

Homosexual lobbyist usually do try to liken their struggle to that of racial, gender, or social inequality, so I'd guess it would depend on what any person's current situation was. That more than likely shapes our opinions.

The perception of these two terms is probably more political than anything else. We've all seen how use of them can ruin or severely injure a public career.

[Kevin]

They both sound like they're equally unenjoyable to me.

I wish I knew a gay black person. I'd love their opinion on this topic.ask and you shall recieve. let me begin with a lists of word and their meanings.

***** - black & spanish people use this term all the time when socializing... with each other. a white person cannot use this unless they are cool with the black or spanish person, and even then, it wouldn't be cool for the white person to say.

Ni99er - this term is still used today. by who? racists. this is clearly, and always has and will be, a word used for black people to degrade, describe and/or address them.

Queer - over the years, this term has been used to hurt gays, but in time, gays took this word and made it their own. it's ok for the gays to call each queer. and when a straight person says it to hurt and/or describe a gay it doesn't matter. we be like "we're here, we're queer, get use to it, b****!" (i would never say the queer here speech by the way)

fa99ot/fa9 - this term, no matter what anyone says, is used for hurting gays and/or something stupid like "your girlfriend cheats, you're a ***!" :confused: wtf? anyway, the real meaning is a pile of sticks or a smoke, so depending on were you are (like maybe somewhere in london) fa99ot can mean something different.

my whole point to this is that every term has a different meaning, so people can say certain words and it'd be okay... NO!

i don't use *****, ni99er, fa9, or queer because no matter how you flip it, they're bad words.

i'm black and their's nothing i can do about that... unless i wanna go all Michael Jackson. it was how i was born and people either accept it or don't.

i'm also gay and it was how i was born. do i act gay? hell no! but i dont hide it either, i let it be known if it's called for.

being gay and being black are both hard. since i'm black, it's alot harder for me to get a job, yes it is, yes it is. i had to go back to school instead. being gay mostly doesn't effect job things like that, so it's not problem. i could not get the job because i'm a ni99er and i'd have the right to be mad. there's no way they'd know i'm gay unless i tell them, so they cant call me a fa9. in this case, being black is worst.

but honestly, you can call me a ni99er and i wont get mad. most black people know how hard it is to live in a world and be called names because of the color of your skin, but most of us except it... but there is no way in hell being called a ni99er is worst then being called a fa9. if anything, they are the same, and people who can't see that are ignorant. (no offense to anyone)

a lot of people accept black people because, as facts prove it, they are born like that. but when it comes to gays, according to some people, we should burn in hell. when it comes to some churches, they have an affect on a lot of peolpe. answer me this, would you ever see two black parents beat on or disown their child because that child is black? no, that's stupid. but i bet there's atleast one family for every and any race who beats or disowns their child because that child is gay, because it not "gods" way. :confused: ok...

how many times have you heard stories where the parents be like "i'mma beat that gay outta you, you queer!!" black parents dont say "imma beat the black offa you!"... unless of course their child is late coming home or that child is giving them lip.

my point is that today, in this point of time, fa99ots and ni99ers both have it rough... it's even worst when you're both. they are both very different, but that doesn't mean being one is harder than the other, or that one word means less than the other. hate is wrong no matter what or who you are. i'm gonna quit writing now because none of this, what i'm writing, makes sense to me, so imagine how you're gonna feel.

Kevin COMICBOY

[ang_hulk]

I think there just every insults,no matter the color or context,same with jesus chirt and god darnit and all that,they dont mean anything anymore.

[SickBoy]

Hateful words are hateful words, despite how you say them. But i don't have a problem with black people saying n*gger or gay people saying f*ggot. But even them saying it doesn't make it a good or positive word.

[November Rain]

Fanny Bandits
Darkies
Slopes
*******s
Crackers
Towel Heads

Any astericks?

Nope.

I just wanted an excuse to say all that. :odarkies is a lapdog trademark:mad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Thanks COMICBOY. I'll comment on your statements when I get back from work but first; a question: What he heck are you doing up this early :p

[November Rain]

Here's the real answer to your question...

darkies are just oversensitive double standard mofos still....

IT'S TRUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Kevin]

Thanks COMICBOY. I'll comment on your statements when I get back from work but first; a question: What he heck are you doing up this early :p it's about 5:30 am now. i'm always up around this time. and in any case, i fell asleep at 9 something. actually, i've been sleeping all day yesterday.

[Won '08]

Being a negro I dont give too much a **** about.

But being demeaned because I am a negro is insulting. Just the same as it would be to homosexuals or how they feel and the way they are.

There is no difference between the use and point of the words...but there is an obvious difference between the struggles.

[jaguarr]

ask and you shall recieve. let me begin with a lists of word and their meanings.

***** - black & spanish people use this term all the time when socializing... with each other. a white person cannot use this unless they are cool with the black or spanish person, and even then, it wouldn't be cool for the white person to say.

Ni99er - this term is still used today. by who? racists. this is clearly, and always has and will be, a word used for black people to degrade, describe and/or address them.

Queer - over the years, this term has been used to hurt gays, but in time, gays took this word and made it their own. it's ok for the gays to call each queer. and when a straight person says it to hurt and/or describe a gay it doesn't matter. we be like "we're here, we're queer, get use to it, b****!" (i would never say the queer here speech by the way)

fa99ot/fa9 - this term, no matter what anyone says, is used for hurting gays and/or something stupid like "your girlfriend cheats, you're a ***!" :confused: wtf? anyway, the real meaning is a pile of sticks or a smoke, so depending on were you are (like maybe somewhere in london) fa99ot can mean something different.

my whole point to this is that every term has a different meaning, so people can say certain words and it'd be okay... NO!

i don't use *****, ni99er, fa9, or queer because no matter how you flip it, they're bad words.

i'm black and their's nothing i can do about that... unless i wanna go all Michael Jackson. it was how i was born and people either accept it or don't.

i'm also gay and it was how i was born. do i act gay? hell no! but i dont hide it either, i let it be known if it's called for.

being gay and being black are both hard. since i'm black, it's alot harder for me to get a job, yes it is, yes it is. i had to go back to school instead. being gay mostly doesn't effect job things like that, so it's not problem. i could not get the job because i'm a ni99er and i'd have the right to be mad. there's no way they'd know i'm gay unless i tell them, so they cant call me a fa9. in this case, being black is worst.

but honestly, you can call me a ni99er and i wont get mad. most black people know how hard it is to live in a world and be called names because of the color of your skin, but most of us except it... but there is no way in hell being called a ni99er is worst then being called a fa9. if anything, they are the same, and people who can't see that are ignorant. (no offense to anyone)

a lot of people accept black people because, as facts prove it, they are born like that. but when it comes to gays, according to some people, we should burn in hell. when it comes to some churches, they have an affect on a lot of peolpe. answer me this, would you ever see two black parents beat on or disown their child because that child is black? no, that's stupid. but i bet there's atleast one family for every and any race who beats or disowns their child because that child is gay, because it not "gods" way. :confused: ok...

how many times have you heard stories where the parents be like "i'mma beat that gay outta you, you queer!!" black parents dont say "imma beat the black offa you!"... unless of course their child is late coming home or that child is giving them lip.

my point is that today, in this point of time, fa99ots and ni99ers both have it rough... it's even worst when you're both. they are both very different, but that doesn't mean being one is harder than the other, or that one word means less than the other. hate is wrong no matter what or who you are. i'm gonna quit writing now because none of this, what i'm writing, makes sense to me, so imagine how you're gonna feel.

Kevin COMICBOY

Good post, man. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Being a negro I dont give too much a **** about.

But being demeaned because I am a negro is insulting. Just the same as it would be to homosexuals or how they feel and the way they are.

There is no difference between the use and point of the words...but there is an obvious difference between the struggles.

But do you think that difference is simply time or the magnitude? To bring a 3rd example into the mix; I've heard long winded debates over who's torment was worse between the Holocaust and Slavery. Slavery had occured for a hell of a long time but people still get caught up over the horror stories about concentration camps.

[jaguarr]

But do you think that difference is simply time or the magnitude? To bring a 3rd example into the mix; I've heard long winded debates over who's torment was worse between the Holocaust and Slavery. Slavery had occured for a hell of a long time but people still get caught up over the horror stories about concentration camps.

Extreme human cruelty against other humans is deplorable and comparing one against the other does nothing but serve to trivialize one or the other which should never happen. All these things are or were horrible. There is no sliding scale of atrocity as far as I'm concerned.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I totally agree. Hearing people debate that topic sounds so ridiculous. It almost turns into a bragging competition:

"My people were beaten for over 400 years!"
"Oh yeah, well my people were gased every week!"
"Psh, try being on a cramped little boat for a long trip across the ocean.'
"Cramped!? You wanna talk about cramped...."

:(

[bulok]

When I read the thread topic i thought this was going to be a thread about the Gay ****** Association of America

http://www.gnaa.us/images/contact.jpg

Oh well

[Riven]

I'm all for both words being super, mega-taboo but my mother feels differently because she doesn't think the homosexual struggle is as bad as the African American struggle.
Tell her homosexuals have been consistently persecuted since the Middle Ages. They were convicted for being sodomists, tortured and killed in the most horrendous ways.

I don't know who "got it worse" in the course of the centuries, gay people who were burned at the stake, black people who were sold as slaves and worked to death, but it's a pretty short-sighted point of view to condone derogatory vocabulary for one persecuted minority just cause another minority supposedly had a worse time of it.

[C.F. Kane]

A tangent thought:

A while back, I called something "retarded" (can't remember what). A girl who I was with chided me for saying it. She said it was "like using 'gay' as a synonym for 'stupid'."

Isn't retardation by definition severe stupidity :confused:

[Kevin]

Retardation (proper) - a slowing down, holding back. a state of not having the same mentel abilities as most people.

Retarded (slang) - can be used as a joke when someone says something not quite right. the person doesn't mean anything by it, just meaning "man, you stupid!" also, this term can be used to lowers ones self-esteem. if person A says that person B is retarded when person B clearly isn't, person B may feel hurt and start thinking that everyone else thinks lowly of him/her.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

It dont matter what you are if you live in the U.S.A. like i do we are all f@#ked they way this country is being run.

[Colossal Spoons]

A tangent thought:

A while back, I called something "retarded" (can't remember what). A girl who I was with chided me for saying it. She said it was "like using 'gay' as a synonym for 'stupid'."

Isn't retardation by definition severe stupidity :confused:

I stopped calling things "retarded" a while back after a very embarassing incident in high school; allow me to explain. My high school had a program called Blue/Gold(maybe you've heard of it). It's for mentally challenged kids and there was a week full of activities for the kids in my school. During an assembly which was dimly lit, my friend pulls out a lighter to read his program. A lighter! To read a piece of paper! He literally had the flame 2 cms away from the paper. I snatched the lighter and said to him "What, are you retarded?"........just as there was a silent break in the assembly. I'd never had more eyes on my in my life and I think like 50 people stopped me in the hallway afterward to explain how insensitive that was of me to say. :(

[celldog]

I can only speak from a black perspective.

Old black people are scratching their heads wonderin', "What is wrong with these young black people?"

They got beaten with billy clubs, lynched, marched, sat at the bacxk of the bus, bitten by police dogs, hosed down, spit on and just plain murdered, so that no one would ever be called ****** again.

Somewhere some old black guy is scratching his head and saying "My uncle could have stayed home that day and not been killed and still had the same result. :(

I hate the "n" word. But like many things this younger generation does get, this is just one more thing.

The meaning of this word is lost on them because never suffered.

[celldog]

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/06/28_williamsb_nword/


check this out.....

[sinewave]

It seems to be that with each generation people become more tolerant and respectful of differences in race, religion, ethinicity, sexual preference, etc... I remember when my wife's grandmother was still alive a few years ago I actually heard her say once "it's raining pitchforks and ni**er-babies!" I just sat there dumbfounded that someone so nice could be so insensitive and oblivious to social norms. I guess it was totally acceptible back in her day to say stuff like that out in public, so I assume that society will eventually progress to the point of almost everyone respecting homosexuals. At least I hope that's the case.

[jaguarr]

"it's raining pitchforks and ni**er-babies!"

WTF? :confused: I've never heard that one and my Grandaddy was an old Oklahoma cowboy with a pretty colorful way of wording a lot of things.

jag

[sinewave]

WTF? :confused: I've never heard that one and my Grandaddy was an old Oklahoma cowboy with a pretty colorful way of wording a lot of things.

jag

yeah, i was really caught off guard when she said that. i almost laughed just at the absurdity of the statement, but i was too busy cringing.

[C.F. Kane]

I stopped calling things "retarded" a while back after a very embarassing incident in high school; allow me to explain. My high school had a program called Blue/Gold(maybe you've heard of it). It's for mentally challenged kids and there was a week full of activities for the kids in my school. During an assembly which was dimly lit, my friend pulls out a lighter to read his program. A lighter! To read a piece of paper! He literally had the flame 2 cms away from the paper. I snatched the lighter and said to him "What, are you retarded?"........just as there was a silent break in the assembly. I'd never had more eyes on my in my life and I think like 50 people stopped me in the hallway afterward to explain how insensitive that was of me to say. :(

Oy.

I'll never use retarded as an insult again :o

[comicgirl]

That's hilarious in Shaun of the Dead.
The guy is all sad 'cause his woman dumped him and he's blubbering to his best friend about how in love he is with her, how he'll die without her, and his friends says disdainfully "GAY!:down".Shaun of the Dead.- best movie ever.....why did they have to kill Ed?!!?

[oakzap425]

...Um...

I don't know what to say...


I'd like to know how this topic originated between you and your mother...

[Wilhelm-Scream]

...Um...

I don't know what to say...


I'd like to know how this topic originated between you and your mother...Oh the joke I want to make.:(

[Lackey]

Oh the joke I want to make.:(


and I want to see you post it so bad :(

[Colossal Spoons]

...Um...

I don't know what to say...


I'd like to know how this topic originated between you and your mother...


Oh the joke I want to make.:(

So I was in the process of coming out to my mom right....no wait. That's not right. :(

My guess at Wilhelm's joke aside; my mother uses the word f*ggot like 50 times a day with the most asinine defenses. She actually went out of her way to say that she'd never call a homosexual that to their face, then I proceeded to call her a coward, and the conversation ensued. It's something I casually mentioned to her in the past; about them not liking that; but yesterday I felt the need to have a long talk about it. Maybe get her to change her ways. I only compared it to the word n*gger to give her a reference point for the fact that gay peopel have suffered horrible acts of discrimination just like us black people. In the end I learned that:

1. My mother is an old lady who'll never think any differently than the way she was raised.

2. I alone, must lead the journey in my famiy to make them more socially conscious and sensitive.

[oakzap425]

Oh the joke I want to make.:(



Just say it...

[oakzap425]

...Wait, you're black? :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes ma'am. I posted my pic in the Grid thread :up:

[oakzap425]

...Wow...


Now I don't feel so weirded out about this thread.

[Colossal Spoons]

What did you think before; that my mom and I were both white? Ha, that'd be a nice conversation as nobody would be able to relate to either side.

[Sloth7d]

One things for sure.
In the end, atleast neither side had it as bad as the native americans.

[Colossal Spoons]

Why do you say that? I think everybody had a *****ty history.

[Hooligan32]

or the irish

[oakzap425]

Nah. It's super serious when you give up all your land to some weird sunless people for two squirrels and a gun.

[Sloth7d]

I'm just saying that the native americans were almost completely wiped out.
My heart truly bleeds for their suffering, because atleast with us african americans we still prosper in numbers.

[Colossal Spoons]

and get like 50 new diseases in the process.

[oakzap425]

Damn that dirty B****! :mad:

[sinewave]

This was reported on Eyewitness 12 local news in Wichita, Kansas.

For J.R. and Robin knight, owning a bed and breakfast is everything they've always wanted. "We came here in search of our dreams, my wife always wanted a bed and breakfast and I always wanted a restaurant," says California native J.R. Knight.

But recently their dream has turned into a nightmare, all because of a flag they're flying outside. “It's a rainbow flag - to some people it means friendship to some people it means gay pride," says Knight. But for knight, it was just a souvenir from his 12-year-old son.

Knight says the local Meade newspaper is trying to put him out of business and was frustrated when it ran an article about the flag and did not even bother to contact him regarding why he put it up. In fact, most people we spoke to in Meade said they didn’t even know what the flag meant until the article ran. But once word got around, the reaction was harsh.

Knight says the radio station has called him threatening to remove the restaurant’s commercials if he does not remove the flag. A local pastor stopped by said it was equivalent to hanging women’s panties on a flag pole. When Knight jokingly said he might consider that – the preacher said he would have him arrested.

His business has suffered - down to only a few local customers. The folks in Meade who've boycotted say it's too offensive for them to eat there.

Local resident, Keith Klassen says the flag is a slap in the face to the conservative community of Meade. “To me it's just like running up a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood. I can't walk into that establishment with that flag flying because to me that's saying that I support what the flag stands for and I don't," says Klassen.

Knight says it's not meant to be a gay pride symbol but he doesn't mind if that's how it's taken.
“Any gay or lesbian people that do stop by will be treated with the best service I can give you," says Knight

But despite the local ridicule and loss of business, Knight is determined to stand his ground. “When this rainbow flag shreds, I will buy another one, and another one, and another one - just like my American flag, I'll buy another one."

Knight says his son gave him the flag after a trip to Dorothy's house, a museum about the Wizard of Oz. The flag reminded the boy of "somewhere over the rainbow."

Gotta love those good old fashioned Mid-western family values! :rolleyes:

[RogueLDN]

bloody stupid American bigots


not all of them just these idiots.
before i get flamed

[tomahawk53]

That's horrible...

Especially this part:
“To me it's just like running up a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood. I can't walk into that establishment with that flag flying because to me that's saying that I support what the flag stands for and I don't,"

Why do people always equate what they don't agree with to Nazi's practicing genocide on the Jewish nation?

[sinewave]

That's horrible...

Especially this part:
“To me it's just like running up a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood. I can't walk into that establishment with that flag flying because to me that's saying that I support what the flag stands for and I don't,"

Why do people always equate what they don't agree with to Nazi's practicing genocide on the Jewish nation?

because they're lazy and ignorant, probably.

[jaguarr]

Good for him for taking that community's knee-jerk reactions and misunderstanding (not to mention their rampant bigotry) and shoving it in their face with his middle finger. :up:

jag

[Mr Sparkle]

Knight i5 teh roxx0rz!!!! wichita i5 teh suxx0rz!!!!

LOL, land of the free....no, really.

[tomahawk53]

because they're lazy and ignorant, probably.


No doubt.

But I mean in all honesty if I saw a bed and breakfast flying the rainbow flag I can say with 100% that I wouldn't stay there. Not because I hate gays or not because I wouldn't want my money to go to a gay owned business...but because I would feel that they were advertising for gays only.

BUT... after hearing that he put the flag there because his 12 year old son bought it for him because it reminded him of The Wizard of Oz I'd have no problem staying there.


So I can see why he is losing business but now that the stories out I can't see why people want him to take it down. They remind me of Nazi's that wanted to eradicate the Jews from the earth.

[Darthphere]

Pathetic, this country we live in.

[logansoldcigar]

the way Ive always seen as meaning to say to the gay community "hey, you are welcome here", not to the straight community "you aint"

edited:its a pretty common thing in sydney

[tomahawk53]

the way Ive always seen as meaning to say to the gay community "hey, you are welcome here", not to the straight community "you aint"

edited:its a pretty common thing in sydney


Well I didn't actually think of it that way and maybe I should. Instead I would have thought that it was more of a 'gay preferred' sort of thing.

[Mr Sparkle]

No doubt.

But I mean in all honesty if I saw a bed and breakfast flying the rainbow flag I can say with 100% that I wouldn't stay there. Not because I hate gays or not because I wouldn't want my money to go to a gay owned business...but because I would feel that they were advertising for gays only.

BUT... after hearing that he put the flag there because his 12 year old son bought it for him because it reminded him of The Wizard of Oz I'd have no problem staying there.


So I can see why he is losing business but now that the stories out I can't see why people want him to take it down. They remind me of Nazi's that wanted to eradicate the Jews from the earth.

however. whenever I go to the states all I see in Hotels are US flags, does that mean that they advertise solely for US citizens?:confused:

[Darthphere]

Knight says the radio station has called him threatening to remove the restaurant’s commercials if he does not remove the flag. A local pastor stopped by said it was equivalent to hanging women’s panties on a flag pole. When Knight jokingly said he might consider that – the preacher said he would have him arrested.


I wouldve taken him up on this and hung some panties on the flag pole, last time I checked that wasnt illegal.

[logansoldcigar]

I wouldve taken him up on this and hung some panties on the flag pole, last time I checked that wasnt illegal.

I were actually thinking that.

I did that in a holiday complex in tenerife about 10 years ago. wasnt illegal there. well, the fact that they werent my knickers may have caused a problem, but hey, she should have taken them back to her room

[WeaponZ2]

.......Thats just plane retarded....

[Darthphere]

Really, that newspaper owes them an apology.It was shoddy journalism, not getting both sides of the story.


EDIT: Actually in this case, making up a story.

[MakeMineMarvel]

Ah, yet another story with so many angles to it. I love the multi-facetedness that is human existence! If he knew ahead of time what the flag could be misconstrued as meaning and he knew he lived in what basically amounts to a "not-so-cool-on-'mo's" town, he should have at least expected an adverse reaction. I can appreciate the guy's defiance but if his goal is to make profit with his bed and breakfast and he's losing massive amounts of customers because of it, he has a business concern that outweighs his desire to make a non-point.

As far as the citizens reaction, while I think that comments relating it to Nazism or flying panties from a flagpole are quite off, I agree with them having the right to not want go to a place that they see as promoting a lifestyle they don't believe is appropriate. Like most news, this is a non-story. People can choose to eat or not eat wherever they want to for whatever reason they want to. It's up to the business owner to create an appealing atmosphere for his potential customers if he/she wants to stay in business.

[Darthphere]

Ah, yet another story with so many angles to it. I love the multi-facetedness that is human existence! If he knew ahead of time what the flag could be misconstrued as meaning and he knew he lived in what basically amounts to a "not-so-cool-on-'mo's" town, he should have at least expected an adverse reaction. I can appreciate the guy's defiance but if his goal is to make profit with his bed and breakfast and he's losing massive amounts of customers because of it, he has a business concern that outweighs his desire to make a non-point.

As far as the citizens reaction, while I think that comments relating it to Nazism or flying panties from a flagpole are quite off, I agree with them having the right to not want go to a place that they see as promoting a lifestyle they don't believe is appropriate. Like most news, this is a non-story. People can choose to eat or not eat wherever they want to for whatever reason they want to. It's up to the business owner to create an appealing atmosphere for his potential customers if he/she wants to stay in business.


Except, hes not promoting a lifestyle, thats the point.

[sinewave]

No doubt.

But I mean in all honesty if I saw a bed and breakfast flying the rainbow flag I can say with 100% that I wouldn't stay there. Not because I hate gays or not because I wouldn't want my money to go to a gay owned business...but because I would feel that they were advertising for gays only.

BUT... after hearing that he put the flag there because his 12 year old son bought it for him because it reminded him of The Wizard of Oz I'd have no problem staying there.


So I can see why he is losing business but now that the stories out I can't see why people want him to take it down. They remind me of Nazi's that wanted to eradicate the Jews from the earth.

you lost me there. i would have just assumed it was owned by gay people. it wouldn't have stopped me from eating at the restaurant, though. the thing that gets me is that the guy was doing great business before the newspaper ran a story about it and informed people of what the flag sometimes means. that was enought to make people who ate there regularly stop going there. how can people be so stupid? what changed, aside from their idiotic viewpoint on it? the food and service remained the same, it was only the idea that it might possibly be gay friendly that made them stop going there, like they'd get raped by a rabid gang of gays in the bathroom or somthing. :confused:

[jaguarr]

you lost me there. i would have just assumed it was owned by gay people. it wouldn't have stopped me from eating at the restaurant, though. the thing that gets me is that the guy was doing great business before the newspaper ran a story about it and informed people of what the flag sometimes means. that was enought to make people who ate there regularly stop going there. how can people be so stupid? what changed, aside from their idiotic viewpoint on it? the food and service remained the same, it was only the idea that it might possibly be gay friendly that made them stop going there, like they'd get raped by a rabid gang of gays in the bathroom or somthing. :confused:

Maybe they were afraid they'd be secretly served some gay with their meal? :confused:

jag

[Darthphere]

Maybe they were afraid they'd be secretly served some gay with their meal? :confused:

jag


"Yeah, let me get a burger with fries, extra pickles, but hold the gay."

[Mr Sparkle]

Except, hes not promoting a lifestyle, thats the point.

not to mention "so ****ing what?"



"hey Dood, don't be black in this white neighbourhood, or you'll get lynched boy, ya hear!!!"

PFFT :rolleyes: the fact that some people actually want to act as if he brought it on himself.

pathetic.

[MakeMineMarvel]

Except, hes not promoting a lifestyle, thats the point.
Perception is reality and as a business owner he should know that. If he puts a picture of a giant gnarly rat on the sign of the kitchen section of his establishment, it may just be because he likes rats, but most people that walked in would associate the picture to the food they were about to eat.

[Mr Sparkle]

Marvel, just stop this, please it's sad. :down

[Darthphere]

Perception is reality and as a business owner he should know that. If he puts a picture of a giant gnarly rat on the sign of the kitchen section of his establishment, it may just be because he likes rats, but most people that walked in would associate the picture to the food they were about to eat.


So youre equating gays to rats now?:confused:

[jaguarr]

"Yeah, let me get a burger with fries, extra pickles, but hold the gay."

"I'm sorry, sir, but the gay is baked into our buns". :o

It's just amazing to me that the guy isn't even promoting the gay lifestyle, he's told everyone this, and yet the town and the newspaper continue to villify him over it. Ridiculous on so many levels, but especially for the level of bigotry involved. "Even though we know you're not gay and you're not promoting the gay lifestyle because your son gave you the flag as a present we still feel that it is too gay despite the fact that you have great food and service that everyone enjoys, and therefore we want you to go out of business and be the town freak as a result."

jag

[Darthphere]

"I'm sorry, sir, but the gay is baked into our buns". :o

It's just amazing to me that the guy isn't even promoting the gay lifestyle, he's told everyone this, and yet the town and the newspaper continue to villify him over it. Ridiculous on so many levels, but especially for the level of bigotry involved. "Even though we know you're not gay and you're not promoting the gay lifestyle because your son gave you the flag as a present we still feel that it is too gay despite the fact that you have great food and service that everyone enjoys, and therefore we want you to go out of business and be the town freak as a result."

jag


If he was smart he'd sue the newspaper for libel. I would.

[Mr Sparkle]

"I'm sorry, sir, but the gay is baked into our buns". :o

jag

:eek:

[sinewave]

Perception is reality and as a business owner he should know that. If he puts a picture of a giant gnarly rat on the sign of the kitchen section of his establishment, it may just be because he likes rats, but most people that walked in would associate the picture to the food they were about to eat.

this would be a moot point if he were in a less bigotted area of the country, rather than "let's-teach-creationism-in-school-Kansas". i bet if he had flown rebel flag he would have increased his business.

[MakeMineMarvel]

you lost me there. i would have just assumed it was owned by gay people. it wouldn't have stopped me from eating at the restaurant, though. the thing that gets me is that the guy was doing great business before the newspaper ran a story about it and informed people of what the flag sometimes means. that was enought to make people who ate there regularly stop going there. how can people be so stupid? what changed, aside from their idiotic viewpoint on it? the food and service remained the same, it was only the idea that it might possibly be gay friendly that made them stop going there, like they'd get raped by a rabid gang of gays in the bathroom or somthing. :confused:
I think it's less the fear of being "raped by a rabid gang of gays" and more the idea of eating somewhere that you feel openly conflicts with your belief system. Would you contribute your spending dollars to a place you felt openly contradicted your belief system? I'm not saying the comments by the locals expressing their sentiment were intelligent, I'm just saying that I understand.

I wouldn't spend money in a place that had a sign that said, "Islamic terrorists welcome here," or "Come on in if you like to beat your wife."

[MakeMineMarvel]

Marvel, just stop this, please it's sad. :down
Sparkle, you stop. Perception is reality. Period. What about that doesn't make sense?

[Darthphere]

I think it's less the fear of being "raped by a rabid gang of gays" and more the idea of eating somewhere that you feel openly conflicts with your belief system. Would you contribute your spending dollars to a place you felt openly contradicted your belief system? I'm not saying the comments by the locals expressing their sentiment were intelligent, I'm just saying that I understand.

I wouldn't spend money in a place that had a sign that said, "Islamic terrorists welcome here," or "Come on in if you like to beat your wife."


Again, your analogy doesnt work since he wasnt promoting anything. The newspaper ran an article on assumption, didnt conduct an interview of the owner, or even called him up and asked why the flag was present. Stop blaming the guy for this.

[sinewave]

I think it's less the fear of being "raped by a rabid gang of gays" and more the idea of eating somewhere that you feel openly conflicts with your belief system. Would you contribute your spending dollars to a place you felt openly contradicted your belief system? I'm not saying the comments by the locals expressing their sentiment were intelligent, I'm just saying that I understand.

I wouldn't spend money in a place that had a sign that said, "Islamic terrorists welcome here," or "Come on in if you like to beat your wife."

please don't equate the idea of welcoming a peaceful sub-culture to welcoming violent extremists. it lowers this debate.

[MakeMineMarvel]

this would be a moot point if he were in a less bigotted area of the country, rather than "let's-teach-creationism-in-school-Kansas". i bet if he had flown rebel flag he would have increased his business.
Actually, if he was in another part of the Country, people still wouldn't come into his restaurant because of the flag, there would just be a larger population of people and plenty of 'mos to come to his establishment. I know plenty of people in Chicago that do all they can to avoid "Boys Town."

[sinewave]

Sparkle, you stop. Perception is reality. Period. What about that doesn't make sense?

the reality being that you're making excuses for bigotry.