Discussion: Gay Rights

[Hotwire]

For example, age of consent. Who's regarded as a pedophile here would be regarded as a relatively normal dude in a whole lot of tribal societies, among other places.
Hell, the lady I grew up next door to was married at age 13, here in the United States. Of course she was born around 1910, I think. So, morals are always subject to change. They change as society does. And remember, even Mary was well under 18 when she gave birth to Jesus.

[Mr Sparkle]

Simply, in my opinion, the military is different because it *forces* people into *prolonged* periods of time of cohabitation. Walking into a restroom and taking a whiz isn't revealing to anyone else, nor is taking a shower in a gym (most have private shower stalls with curtains). But LIVING with others is a completely different animal, particularly in the military where in most barracks the toilets aren't even in stalls, let alone the showers.

You're an intelligent guy - I'm amazed you'd even ask that.

Uh, your gyms are freaking swanky dude, the Gyms I've gone to all have a common shower area where any gay guy can accidentally or willingly stare at your junk.
but I digress.
the argument was made as in separation of the sexes right?
I honestly think that you're kind of mistaking "privacy" with "homophobia"
hell, not even a phobia per se, just a really negative stereotype.
it really is tantamount to saying that "hey, since some people are racists, we should put the black people in separate barracks for their own "safety"" It seriously sounds dodgy to me.
the Army forces people to do many things in order for them to become a unit ( I've never been in the Army so I don't really know) forced cohabitation is in place in order to build a spirit of community and "brotherhood" seems to me your idea would seriously cripple that effort and validate people's prejudice.

[Steve Rogers]

That's honestly the first time I've heard of violence being perpetrated on people even suspected of being gay in the military. I've heard of some pretty hardcore teasing or hazing, maybe a fist fight here and there. But not really full-blown well.....what really constitutes hate-crimes.

jag
That's probably because the Army likes to keep a tight lid on things like this. I think they know it would be hard to get the troops the support of the people if the people knew that these very troops were committing violent acts against one another. But I don't blame the Army (although the constant state of anxiety from being keyed up for a war that may or may not come could play a factor) I blame the individual. Anyone can join the Army. An ignorant, racist, gay-bashing-bigot can walk into a recruiter's office and sign up. The Army, or the military as a whole is like any large group of people; some are *********s and some are decent folks.

[jaguarr]

That's probably because the Army likes to keep a tight lid on things like this. I think they know it would be hard to get the troops the support of the people if the people knew that these very troops were committing violent acts against one another. But I don't blame the Army (although the constant state of anxiety from being keyed up for a war that may or may not come could play a factor) I blame the individual. Anyone can join the Army. An ignorant, racist, gay-bashing-bigot can walk into a recruiter's office and sign up. The Army, or the military as a whole is like any large group of people; some are *********s and some are decent folks.

Well, I don't take "official" statements to heart. I tend to rely more on the information I get from friends I have in the service. :up:

jag

[Steve Rogers]

Well, I don't take "official" statements to heart. I tend to rely more on the information I get from friends I have in the service. :up:

jagWell that would be more reliable.

[jaguarr]

Well that would be more reliable.

It's where my original perspective came from. http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/captainamerica.gif

jag

[lazur]

Uh, your gyms are freaking swanky dude, the Gyms I've gone to all have a common shower area where any gay guy can accidentally or willingly stare at your junk.
but I digress.
the argument was made as in separation of the sexes right?
I honestly think that you're kind of mistaking "privacy" with "homophobia"
hell, not even a phobia per se, just a really negative stereotype.
it really is tantamount to saying that "hey, since some people are racists, we should put the black people in separate barracks for their own "safety"" It seriously sounds dodgy to me.
the Army forces people to do many things in order for them to become a unit ( I've never been in the Army so I don't really know) forced cohabitation is in place in order to build a spirit of community and "brotherhood" seems to me your idea would seriously cripple that effort and validate people's prejudice.

Sorry, I just don't equate race to sexual orientation. Someone whose skin color is different doesn't impose upon the right to privacy people have from those who are interested in their particular gender.

Being forced into a situation where sexual tension is created just by being who you are is wrong, under any circumstance. Regardless of whether that sexual tension is intentional or otherwise, no one should feel as if they have to 'protect' themselves in a living space.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I respect your opinion, but I simply do not share it.

[Steve Rogers]

It's where my original perspective came from. http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/images/smilies/captainamerica.gif

jagHuh. Do you know where they are stationed?

[jaguarr]

Huh. Do you know where they are stationed?

It's been a few years since I've had that conversation. One of them was in upstate NY someplace, but he's in Iraq now. And the other one...I cannot for the life of me remember where he was stationed out of at the time. He's in Washington D.C. on some special detail, now, but that's about all I know.

jag

[Steve Rogers]

It's been a few years since I've had that conversation. One of them was in upstate NY someplace, but he's in Iraq now. And the other one...I cannot for the life of me remember where he was stationed out of at the time. He's in Washington D.C. on some special detail, now, but that's about all I know.

jag
Upstate. Ft. Drum maybe.

Well, I was at Ft. Bragg, which I hear is actually a bad microcosm for the Army as a whole, because from what I hear, no other base is as hardcore as Ft. Bragg. That might have something to do with it.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

While several studies find homosexuality in humans and other animals is biological rather than learned, a question remains over whether it’s a hard-wired phenomenon or one that can be altered.

A new study finds that both drugs and genetic manipulation can turn the homosexual behavior of fruit flies on and off within a matter of hours.

While the genetic finding supports the thinking that homosexuality is hard-wired, the drug finding surprisingly suggests it’s not that simple.

In fact, homosexuality in the fruit flies seems to be regulated by how they interpret the scent of another.

Dramatic result

Homosexuality is widespread in the animal world. But scientists have long debated whether, in humans a “gay gene” exists.

Previous research in humans has suggested that how we interpret scents given off by another person might impact our sexuality.

In the new work, University of Illinois at Chicago researcher David Featherstone and coworkers discovered a gene in fruit flies they call “genderblind,” or GB. A mutation in GB turns flies bisexual.

GB transports the neurotransmitter glutamate to brain cells. Altering levels of glutamate change the strength of nerve cell junctions, called synapses, which play a key role in human and animal behavior.

Post-doctoral researcher Yael Grosjean found that all male fruit flies with a mutation in their GB gene courted other males.

“It was very dramatic,” Featherstone said. “The GB mutant males treated other males exactly the same way normal male flies would treat a female. They even attempted copulation.”

Overreaction

Other genes are known to alter sexual orientation, but most just control whether the brain develops as genetically male or female. It’s not known why a male brain does male things and a female brain acts in female ways, Featherstone and his colleagues say.

“Based on our previous work, we reasoned that GB mutants might show homosexual behavior because their glutamatergic synapses were altered in some way,” Featherstone said. “Homosexual courtship might be sort of an ‘overreaction’ to sexual stimuli.”

To test this, the researchers genetically altered synapse strength, independent of GB. They also gave flies drugs to alter synapse strength. As predicted, they were able to turn fly homosexuality on and off, within hours.

“It was amazing. I never thought we’d be able to do that sort of thing, because sexual orientation is supposed to be hard-wired,” Featherstone said. “This fundamentally changes how we think about this behavior.”

Sense of smell

The team figured fly brains maintain two sensory circuits: one to trigger heterosexual behavior and one for homosexual. When GB suppresses glutamatergic synapses, the homosexual circuit is blocked, the thinking goes.

So they did more tests. As expected, without GB to suppress synapse strength, the flies no longer interpreted smells the same way. The smells in question come in the form of pheromones, chemicals that affect sexual behavior in much of the animal kingdom.

It is not known, however, to what extent human attraction is affected by pheromones. A study in 2005 found that when smelling a chemical from testosterone, portions of the human brains active in sexual activity were turned on in gay men and straight women, but not in straight men.

But at least among fruit flies, “pheromones are powerful sexual stimuli,” Featherstone said. “As it turns out, the GB mutant flies were perceiving pheromones differently. Specifically, the GB mutant males were no longer recognizing male pheromones as a repulsive stimulus.”

The research was published online today by the journal Nature Neuroscience.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

This rocks!
We get a lot of gay fruit flies in my kitchen and it's disgusting watching them defile eachother.
Will a Straight-Making "kit" be available to the public, or what?

[huskerwebhead]

I predict this thread will not end well....

[GoldenAgeHero]

this will help spidey boy!

[Docker2.0]

Who named them fruit flies? Tell me that ain't the gayest name ever. :whatever:

[DV8]

great . . . now if they can just get that chick from Terminator 3 to like dudes, we're in business :up:

[Duende Verde]

Personally I found gay fruit flies to be cleaner, the straight ones are real slobs.

[DV8]

Who named them fruit flies? Tell me that ain't the gayest name ever. :whatever:

haha, I wonder if they get pissed when you continue to call the straight ones 'fruit flies' :D

[SuBe]

This makes me think a of song:

Gay fly, don't bother me,
Gay fly, don't bother me....

[bullets]

I always thought they were gay , something about them made me think they swing that way . they carry themselves in a gay fashion.

[Sandman138]

Who named them fruit flies? Tell me that ain't the gayest name ever. :whatever:

*** flies
fabulous flies

[Eggyman]

This thread is buzzin :o

[Tempest19]

they were able to turn fly homosexuality on and off, within hours.

wonder when they will test this on humans. lol. can't wait for the reaction to that! it would be like the ""cure"" in X3. :wow:

Note: cure in quotes because similarly it would divided between those who want to be that way and those who don't.

[chaseter]

All it has to do is with scent receptors. They made the male flies think other were females and they started having dirty fly gay sex. That said, it still has nothing to do with humans since we don't have that advanced olfactory glands and we base our relationships on love because of our advanced thought process. So in other words, this has nothing to do with homosexuality in humans. If they are that intent on finding the causes of homosexuality in human, study humans???

[Mr Sparkle]

If they are that intent on finding the causes of homosexuality in human, study humans???

or maybe investigate something more important.

just saying is all.

[ShadowBoxing]

There are some straight fruit flies out there right now getting made fun of for experimenting.

[chaseter]

or maybe investigate something more important.

just saying is all.
Yea, cancer maybe:o But watching two males fruit flies go at it is far more fun:cmad:

[Alex The Great]

While several studies find homosexuality in humans and other animals is biological rather than learned, a question remains over whether it’s a hard-wired phenomenon or one that can be altered.

A new study finds that both drugs and genetic manipulation can turn the homosexual behavior of fruit flies on and off within a matter of hours.

While the genetic finding supports the thinking that homosexuality is hard-wired, the drug finding surprisingly suggests it’s not that simple.

In fact, homosexuality in the fruit flies seems to be regulated by how they interpret the scent of another.

Dramatic result

Homosexuality is widespread in the animal world. But scientists have long debated whether, in humans a “gay gene” exists.

Previous research in humans has suggested that how we interpret scents given off by another person might impact our sexuality.

In the new work, University of Illinois at Chicago researcher David Featherstone and coworkers discovered a gene in fruit flies they call “genderblind,” or GB. A mutation in GB turns flies bisexual.

GB transports the neurotransmitter glutamate to brain cells. Altering levels of glutamate change the strength of nerve cell junctions, called synapses, which play a key role in human and animal behavior.

Post-doctoral researcher Yael Grosjean found that all male fruit flies with a mutation in their GB gene courted other males.

“It was very dramatic,” Featherstone said. “The GB mutant males treated other males exactly the same way normal male flies would treat a female. They even attempted copulation.”

Overreaction

Other genes are known to alter sexual orientation, but most just control whether the brain develops as genetically male or female. It’s not known why a male brain does male things and a female brain acts in female ways, Featherstone and his colleagues say.

“Based on our previous work, we reasoned that GB mutants might show homosexual behavior because their glutamatergic synapses were altered in some way,” Featherstone said. “Homosexual courtship might be sort of an ‘overreaction’ to sexual stimuli.”

To test this, the researchers genetically altered synapse strength, independent of GB. They also gave flies drugs to alter synapse strength. As predicted, they were able to turn fly homosexuality on and off, within hours.

“It was amazing. I never thought we’d be able to do that sort of thing, because sexual orientation is supposed to be hard-wired,” Featherstone said. “This fundamentally changes how we think about this behavior.”

Sense of smell

The team figured fly brains maintain two sensory circuits: one to trigger heterosexual behavior and one for homosexual. When GB suppresses glutamatergic synapses, the homosexual circuit is blocked, the thinking goes.

So they did more tests. As expected, without GB to suppress synapse strength, the flies no longer interpreted smells the same way. The smells in question come in the form of pheromones, chemicals that affect sexual behavior in much of the animal kingdom.

It is not known, however, to what extent human attraction is affected by pheromones. A study in 2005 found that when smelling a chemical from testosterone, portions of the human brains active in sexual activity were turned on in gay men and straight women, but not in straight men.

But at least among fruit flies, “pheromones are powerful sexual stimuli,” Featherstone said. “As it turns out, the GB mutant flies were perceiving pheromones differently. Specifically, the GB mutant males were no longer recognizing male pheromones as a repulsive stimulus.”

The research was published online today by the journal Nature Neuroscience.
lol.....awseme

[Mr Sparkle]

plus, what do you call gay fruit flies?
fruit-fruit flies?
people will think you have a stutter and you'll look like a fool. :(

[Mr Sparkle]

lol.....awseme

I assume Awseme is the secret military base in South Africa were this is being studied.

[Corinthian™]

plus, what do you call gay fruit flies?
fruit-fruit flies?
people will think you have a stutter and you'll look like a fool. :(
fruit-CAKE flies:o

[chaseter]

Fruity Flies?

[Halcohol]

Sounds like cereal.

[chaseter]

Sounds like cereal.
Except the blue cereal bits hump each other and the pink cereal bits just float around:o

[Halcohol]

Except the blue cereal bits hump each other and the pink cereal bits just float around:o
Now you're talking about real fruit flies. Debra Messing kind of fruit flies.

[Duende Verde]

I assume Awseme is the secret military base in South Africa were this is being studied.

Yes, you can get to the Awseme military base if you take the WGASA railway.

[Sandman138]

All it has to do is with scent receptors. They made the male flies think other were females and they started having dirty fly gay sex. That said, it still has nothing to do with humans since we don't have that advanced olfactory glands and we base our relationships on love because of our advanced thought process. So in other words, this has nothing to do with homosexuality in humans. If they are that intent on finding the causes of homosexuality in human, study humans???

And this is why nobody buys deodorant and Old Spice has gone out of buisness.

[wildjokers]

wen i read the topic i coundnt believe it,congrats scientists:applaud

NOW GO CURE CANCER!!!!!1:cmad: :cmad: :huh: :csad: :dry:

[SuBe]

wen i read the topic i coundnt believe it,congrats scientists:applaud

NOW GO CURE CANCER!!!!!1:cmad: :cmad: :huh: :csad: :dry:
LOL!!!:woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

this will help spidey boy!

:whatever:


I don't care either way if theres a gay gene or not... or if its just a chemical imbalance of the brain... or if we're freaking mutants... lol we're still born the way we are, or at least as we grow our bodies make us go a certain way because its definitely not randomly decided.

One particular theory is that were all born bi... immune to leaning sexually one way or the other... but as you age your hormones shift one way or the other.

[spideyboy_1111]

There are some straight fruit flies out there right now getting made fun of for experimenting.

i think most people would be surprised at how many strait males do do that... or least had thoughts and just never told :o

[spideyboy_1111]

And this is why nobody buys deodorant and Old Spice has gone out of buisness.

hey i still buy old spice red zone deodorant lol it's one of the few deodorants that actually stop pit sweat.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I thought fruit flies were the guys who serve you drinks on an airplane? :confused:

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought fruit flies were the guys who serve you drinks on an airplane? :confused:

no, the term fruit fly is actually another term fro *** hag

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.glaad.org/media/stw_detail.php?id=4142

[amazingfantasy15]

So the biggest threats to world peace are Nuclear Holocaust, Global Warming and Gay Marriage? I guess being gay is only ok if you're a priest and touching little boys.

[terry78]

I suspect that the terrorists are just waiting to see two guys walk arm in arm before they launch their attacks.

[GuardianofOa]

Wow.

Lowest of the low.

I'll keep my mouth shut on this one for now.

[kainedamo]

So instead of speaking out about... oh, I dunno... the crisis in Darfur maybe, the Pope has a rant about homosexuals. :whatever:

[Sun_Down]

Christians being intolerant? Really?


Well, color me surprised!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I wish we could divide the Earth in half and have the insane people live on one side, and the sane people live on the other. :(

It's pointless to even say "This s*** is getting old."
It was getting old about a week after the formation of the world's first religion.


*SIGH* (big, long sigh)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Christians being intolerant? Really?


Well, color me surprised!Yeah, it's "news" ! :eek:

[bell110]

You know what's a threat to world peace? Irrational hatred of other human beings.

[GoldenAgeHero]

ialways knew majik was a threat to humanity!

[The Chairman]

ialways knew majik was a threat to humanity!

True, JP as well.

Idiots like the current Pope are the reasons I don't even fully identify myself as a Christian anymore. I feel bad for the good Christians in the world who are unfortunately subject to persecution due to the fanatics.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

God, now I made the mistake of actually reading what he said. I assumed he meant, in a Pat Robertson way, like, God will curse the Earth if Gay Marriage is allowed.

But no.
families headed by a man and a woman are the “first and indispensable teacher of peace” and the “primary agency of peace.”


So a child raised by two lesbians can not learn to be peaceful?
They can't teach peace, only, at best, a corrupted, insufficient mockery of being "peaceful".


Seriously, no anti-Religion bias required, that man is a****ing IDIOT. :o


And here is why, as I always say, it is wrong to expect us all to

"respect the beliefs of others".

No, I have NO respect for his belief on this, at all.
You'd have to be a fool to respect that belief.

[knowsbleed]

Seriously, no anti-Religion bias required, that man is a****ing IDIOT. :o

But is highly recommended.

[ShadowBoxing]

Whew! I'm glad it's not terrorism, environmental disasters or something scary like that.

[Tyrinus]

Where are the world leaders with the balls enough to speak out against people like this? We need a president that's not afraid to call out jackasses like the pope.

[The Chairman]

Pope Benedict should stick to photo ops with Bono. It's what he's done best.

[Mister Sinister]

God, now I made the mistake of actually reading what he said. I assumed he meant, in a Pat Robertson way, like, God will curse the Earth if Gay Marriage is allowed.


Which is statistically wrong, it's been proven that the more gays there are in the area, the LESS likely they are to be hit by a natural disaster. When Katrina hit, the one place that WASN'T hit was the gay district.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Which is statistically wrong, it's been proven that the more gays there are in the area, the LESS likely they are to be hit by a natural disaster. When Katrina hit, the one place that WASN'T hit was the gay district.Well that makes sense.
It's like, the only thing a K.K.K. member hates more than a ****** is a white woman who dates one.

The deranged, perverted homosexual animals don't know any better, but all the normal people who allow them to live, and pursue hapiness,...they're the real criminals who deserve to die, of course. :up:

[DBella]

“Whoever, even unknowingly, circumvents the institution of the family undermines peace in the entire community, national and international, since he weakens what is in effect the primary agency of peace.”

I don't get it. He's saying that all the violence in the world, all the murders and mayhem, all the chaos that's been going on are the fault of... gay people? I thought a lot of those are the fault of bigots and religious fanatics? So... gay ministers are evil too? Maybe the Pope was indirectly addressing the many cases of children sexually harmed by priests? What the hell is he saying?!! :huh: :(

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The biggest threats to world peace are Greed, Religion and Poverty.

[EdRyder]

Isnt the Catholic Church one big gay pageant anyway?That wardrobe,all that choreography and lighting cues..

[DBella]

^Is that in order, Wil?
I'd add "stupidity" to that list too.

[ShadowBoxing]

“Whoever, even unknowingly, circumvents the institution of the family undermines peace in the entire community, national and international, since he weakens what is in effect the primary agency of peace.”

I don't get it. He's saying that all the violence in the world, all the murders and mayhem, all the chaos that's been going on are the fault of... gay people? I thought a lot of those are the fault of bigots and religious fanatics? So... gay ministers are evil too? Maybe the Pope was indirectly addressing the many cases of children sexually harmed by priests? What the hell is he saying?!! :huh: :(
You know why the dinosaurs died out...gay people. It's gonna get us next.

[DBella]

You know why the dinosaurs died out...gay people. It's gonna get us next.
If we join them, will our sorry lives be spared?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

^Is that in order, Wil?
I'd add "stupidity" to that list too.
It's already on the list. :ninja:

[ShadowBoxing]

If we join them, will our sorry lives be spared?
I think it's gonna end up being like I am Legend where everyone just turns gay, and the last man locks himself up in his house at night and kills the gays during the day but then finally he realizes he is now actually the weird sexual orientation, and everyone else is "straight" so he kills himself, ending humanity.

[rdh007]

If the pope says it, it must be true. He's like the internets.

[DBella]

I think it's gonna end up being like I am Legend where everyone just turns gay, and the last man locks himself up in his house at night and kills the gays during the day but then finally he realizes he is now actually the weird sexual orientation, and everyone else is "straight" so he kills himself, ending humanity.
I thought you're going to say that he and his dog ended up... O nevermind... :o

[Winter Spleen]

The pope is such a closet case. :rolleyes:

[ShadowBoxing]

I thought you're going to say that he and his dog ended up... O nevermind... :o
....I mean, he has been alone for a while...feelin' sorry for that dog now.

[knowsbleed]

DBella = yucko http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/thd_crazy.gif

[Matt]

Wait, am I the only one who sees the irony of an ex-Nazi preaching about threats to world peace?

[amazingfantasy15]

I think it'd be interested to find out the crime statistics in predominently gay communities around the world, I never hear about much crime coming from boystown in Chicago.

[DBella]

....I mean, he has been alone for a while...feelin' sorry for that dog now.
Poor dog. :csad:

DBella = yucko http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/thd_crazy.gif
What? I was going to say they'd end up eating each other. Wait... that doesn't sound right. Scratch that.

[DBella]

Wait, am I the only one who sees the irony of an ex-Nazi preaching about threats to world peace?
He's a reformed ex-Nazi. He's doing God's work now.

I think it'd be interesting to find out the crime statistics in predominently gay communities around the world, I never hear about much crime coming from boystown in Chicago.
I think that's be very interesting too.

[Obi-Ron]

If that's Nazi Pope's attitude, then maybe Darth Vader should have made sure he finished the job when he threw him into the Death Star II reactor

[Mr Sparkle]

but wait.
haven't all people opposed to gay marriage been "saying" this ( while not in so many words) I guess when you flat out "say" it it sounds ridiculous.

[kainedamo]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/popeBenedict.JPG

[Mr Sparkle]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/popeBenedict.JPG

UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!

[Matt]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/popeBenedict.JPG

Haha, that picture is just asking to be maniped into Palpatine.

[Matt]

He's a reformed ex-Nazi. He's doing God's work now.


Hmm, yes, still...it seems to me that he is just spreading his hate mongering to another group and hiding behind the shield of doing "God's duties". Its stuff like this that have really made me turn my back on the Catholic Church. I personally wish they elected the Cardinal from South America as Pope. I can't remember his name but he seemed like a worthy successor to John Paul.

[EdRyder]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/fightthefuture/popeBenedict.jpg

[WorthyStevens]

Gay marriage? No. Frank Stallone? Yes.

[DBella]

Hmm, yes, still...it seems to me that he is just spreading his hate mongering to another group and hiding behind the shield of doing "God's duties". Its stuff like this that have really made me turn my back on the Catholic Church. I personally wish they elected the Cardinal from South America as Pope. I can't remember his name but he seemed like a worthy successor to John Paul.
You didn't notice my sarcasm. You made me feel like such a failure, Matt. :( Anyway, I hate people who invoke God's name to carry out their own prejudices... to hurt other people. And they hide behind the mask of "religion" to justify what they're doing. I've turned my back on the Catholic Church for quite some time now. Quite a lot of the Church's dogma don't make sense to me. I question and question but don't get any satisfying answers. Blind faith is a dangerous thing, imo.

[Denny67]

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/popeBenedict.JPG

Come little boys and grip my scepter.

[DBella]

Come little boys and grip my scepter.
Bwahahahaha!!! The double meaning in that caption is ... hilarious! And scary. Run boys, run!!!

[Matt]

You didn't notice my sarcasm. You made me feel like such a failure, Matt. :( Anyway, I hate people who invoke God's name to carry out their own prejudices... to hurt other people. And they hide behind the mask of "religion" to justify what they're doing. I've turned my back on the Catholic Church for quite some time now. Quite a lot of the Church's dogma don't make sense to me. I question and question but don't get any satisfying answers. Blind faith is a dangerous thing, imo.

I'm sorry Bella. :csad: If it makes you made me feel like a failure for not detecting your sarcasm.

[Sandman138]

^Damn. I was so set to make an alter boy joke on that one and it was looking like I was in the clear. Then BOOM! Last post totally beat me to the punch. :(

[Matt]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/fightthefuture/popeBenedict.jpg

Hehe :up:

[Drizzle]

Not that I agree with the pope, but why do gays want to get married anyway? Everyone knows marriage kills the passion.

[rdh007]

I don't know. I still enjoy sticking it to my wife. And nothing turns her on more than a)my posting on the internet in general and b) me posting phrases like "sticking it to". :o

[ShadowBoxing]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/fightthefuture/popeBenedict.jpg
Ditto. I'm with Matt on this.

[04nbod]

*catholic* yeah, i'm not with that guy

[unstoppable]

did not see that coming

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

in the muslim vs. jew thread, wasn't there some claim from somebody that you don't hear mainstream christians supporting intolerance and hatred and stuff like that?!

[Carcharodon]

in the muslim vs. jew thread, wasn't there some claim from somebody that you don't hear mainstream christians supporting intolerance and hatred and stuff like that?!Well duh! They're Catholics, not Christians!

[Alex The Great]

http://www.glaad.org/media/stw_detail.php?id=4142
:dry: :cmad: :whatever: :huh:

[The Chairman]

in the muslim vs. jew thread, wasn't there some claim from somebody that you don't hear mainstream christians supporting intolerance and hatred and stuff like that?!

Um, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps are mainstream. And not Catholics.

The Catholic Church will come around, I think. It took 500 years before they accepted evolution, I'll bet in another 500 years they'll be cool with gays.

BTW, I'm Catholic (by birth, by choice I'm between non-denominationalist Christian and deist), and I don't think we need a Pope. At All.

[Carcharodon]

Um, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps are mainstream. And not Catholics.

The Catholic Church will come around, I think. It took 500 years before they accepted evolution, I'll bet in another 500 years they'll be cool with gays.

BTW, I'm Catholic (by birth, by choice I'm between non-denominationalist Christian and deist), and I don't think we need a Pope. At All.But...but who else will channel and communicate God's will to the rest of us? :csad:

[The Chairman]

But...but who else will channel and communicate God's will to the rest of us? :csad:

Bono should be the next Pope.

[Matt]

Um, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps are mainstream. And not Catholics.

The Catholic Church will come around, I think. It took 500 years before they accepted evolution, I'll bet in another 500 years they'll be cool with gays.

BTW, I'm Catholic (by birth, by choice I'm between non-denominationalist Christian and deist), and I don't think we need a Pope. At All.

I agree. It creates a hierarchy while preaching that we are all equal in God's eyes and in an odd way it is pretty much worshipping a false idol.

[The Chairman]

I agree. It creates a hierarchy while preaching that we are all equal in God's eyes and in an odd way it is pretty much worshipping a false idol.

Exactly. I liked John Paul II, though.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

While I do not agree with the orientation, I don't think its a threat to world peace yet.

---Morzan

[Themanofbat]

Exactly. I liked John Paul II, though.

John Paul II was a joke, and it was a complete insult to John Paul I, who lasted a whopping 28 days as Pope before he was effectively murdered for wanting to accept birth control, giving lots of Vatican money to the poor and the hungry, and lots of other interesting ideas...

:csad:

[Carcharodon]

While I do not agree with the orientation, I don't think its a threat to world peace yet.

---MorzanUh...huh.

[Matt]

John Paul II was a joke, and it was a complete insult to John Paul I, who lasted a whopping 28 days as Pope before he was effectively murdered for wanting to accept birth control, giving lots of Vatican money to the poor and the hungry, and lots of other interesting ideas...

:csad:

Everything I've read about "The Smiling Pope" is really positive...but, still...John Paul II did a lot of good work as well. And John Paul I lasted 33 days, not 28. :oldrazz:

[turtlefocker]

So the biggest threats to world peace are Nuclear Holocaust, Global Warming and Gay Marriage?


Sounds about right. Minus the whole clear Holocaust and Global Warming thing.

[kane9321]

damn..kinda messed up thing to say

[bored]

http://www.glaad.org/media/stw_detail.php?id=4142

Hmm... So if more homosexuals could wed, I could use that as a Doomsday Device somehow? Brilliant!

[Carcharodon]

I don't think you guys understand. If we allow gays to marry, they'll feel free to have buttsecks all over the place, day or night. All the methane emissions will multiply with every stroke, speeding up global warming.

Finally, with the climate all faucked up, we'll have to go to war for something as basic as water and OMGWTFBBQ NUKULAR HOLOCAUST!

[jaguarr]

Dear Pope,
Suck it!

Love,
jag

[Apollo]

hahahahahahah irony much?!? :woot:

what an idiot

[Carcharodon]

hahahahahahah irony much?!? :woot:

what an idiotHeh...never really thought of that. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

:dry:

Last year he said Harry Potter is the satanic work of the devil, now Gay Marriage is a threat to world peace, worthy of his 13 page rant. . .

Now would be a good time to post that collage of sighs.

[chamber-music]

Oh Nazi Pope, Why you So Crazy?

[Mr. Socko]

Oh Nazi Pope, Why you So Crazy?


What is the Nazi talk about? I know the Pope is German, was he really a Nazi:wow:


My god, how people elected that man is beyond me.

[The Chairman]

What is the Nazi talk about? I know the Pope is German, was he really a Nazi:wow:


My god, how people elected that man is beyond me.

He claims he was forced into the Nazi Party (he was a teenager during Hitler's reign) and was dissatisfied with the lifestyle. Whether or not this is true is beyond me.

[chamber-music]

What is the Nazi talk about? I know the Pope is German, was he really a Nazi:wow:


My god, how people elected that man is beyond me.

its cool, he was a reluctant nazi :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI

[Abaddon]

Hmm... So if more homosexuals could wed, I could use that as a Doomsday Device somehow? Brilliant!

You can collect the sweat generated from the mansex and poison the water supply.:otto:

[Legendary]

Isnt the Catholic Church one big gay pageant anyway?That wardrobe,all that choreography and lighting cues..

Don't forget the high-pitched singing altar boys or in some cases altar servents.

[ShadowBoxing]

Dear Pope,
Suck it!

Love,
jag
Mmmmmmmmmm, layered insults.

[Obi-Ron]

It took 500 years before they accepted evolution.

a) They accepted evolution? You'd think that would be on the news

b) Charles Darwin lived from 1809-1882

[ShadowBoxing]

a) They accepted evolution? You'd think that would be on the news

b) Charles Darwin lived from 1809-1882
Catholic faith generally believes the creation myth is a biblical allegory, and not literal fact. That's been the case for quite some time. The Vatican also believes that those who embody the basic tenents of the Bible and are "good people" earn a place in heaven whether or not they subscribe to the faith directly.

Not every Christian who accepts Evolution is going to make a 6 o'clock news story either. That's just ridiculous you think so.

[Obi-Ron]

The Vatican also believes that those who embody the basic tenents of the Bible and are "good people" earn a place in heaven whether or not they subscribe to the faith directly.



Unless they're in a gay marriage, apparently.

[Hotwire]

Dear Pope,
Suck it!

Love,
jag
Subtle, jag, real subtle. I wonder if anyone will detect your disdain for the man? Hmmm??

[bullets]

While I do not agree with the orientation, I don't think its a threat to world peace yet.

---Morzan



it depends on what the basis of the war is , if its because we are supposedly infidels this could be cited as a reason to attack us , i dont think its a threat but al quieda could use it as propaganda. im not saying i care what they think , becaus i really dont.

[jaguarr]

Subtle, jag, real subtle. I wonder if anyone will detect your disdain for the man? Hmmm??

I smiled when I said it. You know....to keep 'em guessin'. :D

jag

[sandgoblin]

The Pope is just a stupid jackass.

[Superman]

It's pointless to even say "This s*** is getting old."
It was getting old about a week after the formation of the world's first religion.Couldn't have said it better. :up:

[mcilroga]

Yes. :)

[Majik1387]

Yes. :)
You bumped dead thread just to agree with a bigoted way of thinking? I hope you go blind the day before TDK comes out.:whatever:

[Mr. Credible]

While I don't really like homosexuality, it is not effecting my life. Let people do what they want. There shouldn't be a big deal about it.

that about sums up what i was going to say... quoting it is just much easier.

[mcilroga]

"Bumped?"

I'm sorry, I'm new to the whole message board thing. :(

[Mr Sparkle]

You bumped dead thread just to agree with a bigoted way of thinking? I hope you go blind the day before TDK comes out.:whatever:

I'm pretty sure he meant "yes" on a gay marriage there, bucko.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm all for a gay marriage as long as it is between a man and a woman. I mean happiness is hard to come by in this life.

[Majik1387]

Ah ok then. If thats what he means, then sorry. If not, I stand by my reply.:o:cmad:

[Majik1387]

I'm all for a gay marriage as long as it is between a man and a woman. I mean happiness is hard to come by in this life.

And another tally on my ignore list

[\S/JcDc\S/]

HA HA HA HA!!!!!!! :up:

Just spreading some cheese lighten up ;)

[Majik1387]

BTW, I dont block posters because we may disagree, hell I'd have over half the Hype blocked if I did that. I only block when it comes to homophobia.

[The Original Bamfer]

How does a gay couple getting married affect me? It doesn't. So, I say, why not?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

BTW, I dont block posters because we may disagree, hell I'd have over half the Hype blocked if I did that. I only block when it comes to homophobia.

I was purposely being cheesy, for the record... Check my vote, I said to go ahead and legalize it :o

[Majik1387]

I was purposely being cheesy, for the record... Check my vote, I said to go ahead and legalize it :o
Can't check the vote. It's private.:cmad:

[mcilroga]

Ah ok then. If thats what he means, then sorry. If not, I stand by my reply.:o:cmad:

Oh I see how we got confused.

I meant "yes" to gay marriage, I'm totally pro.

[xisaacx]

let them marry, if they pay taxes just like the rest of us who gives a ****

[mcilroga]

let them marry, if they pay taxes just like the rest of us who gives a ****

I agree. :)

[Taiwarriorz21]

No No No No. Heck no! Why? Ugh Love wasn't created for this reason. The is a eros Love of lust and is a slap in the face to what God created. I glad the majority of the world has their heads on their shoulder and know right from wrong. It prolly will piss you off what i'm saying but I'm entitled to it and your entitled to have yours. So that's that.

[Steve Rogers]

No No No No. Heck no! Why? Ugh Love wasn't created for this reason. The is a eros Love of lust and is a slap in the face to what God created. I glad the majority of the world has their heads on their shoulder and know right from wrong. It prolly will piss you off what i'm saying but I'm entitled to it and your entitled to have yours. So that's that.To what God created? So you are bringing relegion into this argument and using it as your base? Well, there are many other relegions out there. If you are going to argue that this is either right or wrong because God said so, you need to take into account all those other relegions and all of those people who don't beleive in your God. Also, might factor in the few relegions that don't denounce homosexuality.

[Majik1387]

It's Taiwarrior, don't bother trying to use sense and logic with him.

[Taiwarriorz21]

To what God created? So you are bringing relegion into this argument and using it as your base? Well, there are many other relegions out there. If you are going to argue that this is either right or wrong because God said so, you need to take into account all those other relegions and all of those people who don't beleive in your God. Also, might factor in the few relegions that don't denounce homosexuality.

Other religions can believe what they want. I'm not going to be politically correct b/c we all know that doesn't mean jack. Religion....? Try Creation. I'm not going to look down on other religions but I'm sure not going to give them any mind. I have seen the Truth and the Truth always set what's right and what's not. I think there's soo soo soo many people that are confused in the world and it's sad. Many people search and search for the religion that leads to heaven and get caught up in some that really don't. I have my feet planted on the solid rock i stand and no one religion has anything to do with it. It's b/w me and God. That's it. I'm sorry if many people believe otherwise but I stand on what I believe period

[Taiwarriorz21]

It's Taiwarrior, don't bother trying to use sense and logic with him.


you're absolutely right. you already know I don't listen or give into loose cannons. well at least your smart enough not to try to sway my vote. good

[Hotwire]

Other religions can believe what they want. I'm not going to be politically correct b/c we all know that doesn't mean jack. Religion....? Try Creation. I'm not going to look down on other religions but I'm sure not going to give them any mind. I have seen the Truth and the Truth always set what's right and what's not. I think there's soo soo soo many people that are confused in the world and it's sad. Many people search and search for the religion that leads to heaven and get caught up in some that really don't. I have my feet planted on the solid rock i stand and no one religion has anything to do with it. It's b/w me and God. That's it. I'm sorry if many people believe otherwise but I stand on what I believe period
"Take a crowbar and pry open your mind."
- Bill Maher

I would love to see how you would handle having a gay child. Think about it like this, does it affect you in any way if two women or two men marry each other and live their lives as happy productive members of society?

[Steve Rogers]

Other religions can believe what they want. I'm not going to be politically correct b/c we all know that doesn't mean jack. Religion....? Try Creation. I'm not going to look down on other religions but I'm sure not going to give them any mind. I have seen the Truth and the Truth always set what's right and what's not. I think there's soo soo soo many people that are confused in the world and it's sad. Many people search and search for the religion that leads to heaven and get caught up in some that really don't. I have my feet planted on the solid rock i stand and no one religion has anything to do with it. It's b/w me and God. That's it. I'm sorry if many people believe otherwise but I stand on what I believe periodI've got nothing. You've obviously already made up your mind.

[Taiwarriorz21]

I've got nothing. You've obviously already made up your mind.

good idea at least you know i won't listen to filth. lol

[Hotwire]

good idea at least you know i won't listen to filth. lol
"Take a crowbar and pry open your mind."
- Bill Maher

I would love to see how you would handle having a gay child. Think about it like this, does it affect you in any way if two women or two men marry each other and live their lives as happy productive members of society?
Sooo..... Please take a minute and give the above question a shot.

[jaguarr]

Sooo..... Please take a minute and give the above question a shot.

Are you trying to kill him? :huh:

jag

[Hotwire]

Are you trying to kill him? :huh:

jag
Nah, just wound that massive ego a bit.

[Steve Rogers]

good idea at least you know i won't listen to filth. lolFilth? What are you calling filth?

[Mr. Socko]

A gay couple deserves every right to get married like a straight couple. No questions asked.

Here I am bumping a post well over a year old, because it's all that needs to be said.

[DBella]

Filth? What are you calling filth?
Gay marriage. Haven't you heard the Pope declared gay people as a threat to world peace? :csad:

I think it's just wrong and sad when people try to mask their prejudice behind the shield called "religion" and when they try to justify that prejudice by invoking God's name.

[Taiwarriorz21]

Filth? What are you calling filth?

anything that deals with gay marriage or allowing gays to have rights and what not. I'm not going to listen to none of it b/c I have my beliefs and I will stay on the team that makes it to heaven and brings honor to my family, friends, and my God.

[Steve Rogers]

Gay marriage. Haven't you heard the Pope declared gay people as a threat to world peace? :csad:

I think it's just wrong and sad when people try to mask their prejudice behind the shield called "religion" and when they try to justify that prejudice by invoking God's name.I know. Call me crazy, but is that not insulting and rude to someone they claim to worship?

[Taiwarriorz21]

Mal I don't care! LoL Get that?

[Steve Rogers]

anything that deals with gay marriage or allowing gays to have rights and what not. I'm not going to listen to none of it b/c I have my beliefs and I will stay on the team that makes it to heaven and brings honor to my family, friends, and my God.Wow. Just wow. I am speechless. I am without speech. Guess that makes me "filthy" That's cool. I'd rather be a filthy heathen than a contradicting bigot.

[Taiwarriorz21]

Wow. Just wow. I am speechless. I am without speech. Guess that makes me "filthy" That's cool. I'd rather be a filthy heathen than a contradicting bigot.

You go do that. You're get all piss miss. Why? lol

What's contradicting? Not wanting Gays to have rights that married couples get or Gays not granted the rights that a married man and woman get? LoL It's not contradicting b/c I stand against Gay marriage and nothing I say supports them b/c I think they're a disgrace to God and Life in general which only God grants.

[mcilroga]

I'm curious, Tai, what would you do if you had a kid who turned out to be gay? Surely you wouldn't try to "change/fix him" straight... since that would be stupid.

[Super Kal]

I think they should have their rights, because, after all, they are people too, but marriage? no.

I originally said to constitutionally ban it, but after thinking, it's not up to me to decide the fate of a person's sexuality, so, a civil union works for me.

[Steve Rogers]

You're get all piss miss. Why? lolUm...WHAT???

[Hotwire]

Mal I don't care! LoL Get that?
Ah, so you're just posting here to try and piss people off and get angry reactions out of them. Well, good luck with that.

[Kevin]

I'm curious, Tai, what would you do if you had a kid who turned out to be gay? Surely you wouldn't try to "change/fix him" straight... since that would be stupid.
Hey, the government and scientist(sp) is currently working on making things gay, it's only a matter of time before they get the OK to make everything straight. *Sigh* I'd kill myself and/or others before I'd let anyone try to make me something I'm not.

[Taiwarriorz21]

I think they should have their rights, because, after all, they are people too, but marriage? no.

just talking about the rights that married couples get. ya know the children adopting, government money for having those children, that stuff.

[Taiwarriorz21]

Ah, so you're just posting here to try and piss people off and get angry reactions out of them. Well, good luck with that.

You're right. But why are there soo many post so rapidly? Hmm LoL Good one Mal! Haaha

[DBella]

I know. Call me crazy, but is that not insulting and rude to someone they claim to worship?
Their God doesn't love all it seems. It doesn't matter if you're a good person because being gay, or accepting people who are gay, instantly makes you bad and deserving of Hell. But then again, in religion, the path to heaven is narrow and I've lost my ticket to get there. But I'm okay and at peace with that.

[Super Kal]

just talking about the rights that married couples get. ya know the children adopting, government money for having those children, that stuff.

And, Tai, who are we to deny them basic human rights? they're human beings... just like everyone else in this world, and they should be treated with the same courtesy that everyone else on this planet has.

It is not up to you, me, or anyone else on here to decide the fate of a man or a woman solely on their sexuality... but to deny them the right to live their right is morally wrong.

[DBella]

Hey, the government and scientist(sp) is currently working on making things gay, it's only a matter of time before they get the OK to make everything straight. *Sigh* I'd kill myself and/or others before I'd let anyone try to make me something I'm not.
Haha! I've heard something of that. How some people see homosexuality as a 'disease' and they're looking for a cure.

[Super Kal]

Their God doesn't love all it seems. It doesn't matter if you're a good person because being gay, or accepting people who are gay, instantly makes you bad and deserving of Hell. But then again, in religion, the path to heaven is narrow and I've lost my ticket to get there. But I'm okay and at peace with that.

God does love us all, but he doesn't have to like all of us, nor does He have to like the decisions we make for ourselves.

[Steve Rogers]

Their God doesn't love all it seems. It doesn't matter if you're a good person because being gay, or accepting people who are gay, instantly makes you bad and deserving of Hell. But then again, in religion, the path to heaven is narrow and I've lost my ticket to get there. But I'm okay and at peace with that.You haven't lost your ticket. If I had to guess, I'd say if you try to get into heaven, you don't deserve to be there. If you're a good person because and not a good person because if you're not you will be punished, then I think you still got a ticket to ride. Of course, I don't know any of this, but then again, neither does anyone.

[Steve Rogers]

Double feakin' post.

[Hotwire]

And, Tai, who are we to deny them basic human rights? they're human beings... just like everyone else in this world, and they should be treated with the same courtesy that everyone else on this planet has.

It is not up to you, me, or anyone else on here to decide the fate of a man or a woman solely on their sexuality... but to deny them the right to live their right is morally wrong.
Please refer to posr 1179 for an answer to your question. It really is the best you're going to get from him.

[Kevin]

Haha! I've heard something of that. How some people see homosexuality as a 'disease' and they're looking for a cure.
It honestly makes me sick that people think like that.

[Super Kal]

Please refer to posr 1179 for an answer to your question. It really is the best you're going to get from him.
I can understand where Tai is coming from, because at one point in my life, i thought the same way, but I've come to realize that it's not up to us to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

[Steve Rogers]

It honestly makes me sick that people think like that.You know, I used to think like that until a I heard a gay man say he wishes he was stright. Now I am not sure what to think. I suppose because I am stright I have no right to chime in anyway.

[unstoppable]

who brought this back :csad: :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

anything that deals with gay marriage or allowing gays to have rights and what not. I'm not going to listen to none of it b/c I have my beliefs and I will stay on the team that makes it to heaven and brings honor to my family, friends, and my God.

You go do that. You're get all piss miss. Why? lol

What's contradicting? Not wanting Gays to have rights that married couples get or Gays not granted the rights that a married man and woman get? LoL It's not contradicting b/c I stand against Gay marriage and nothing I say supports them b/c I think they're a disgrace to God and Life in general which only God grants.

You're a self-admitting bigot who twists around their religion and uses it as justification to hate people you simply don't like. It's sad that a simple scripture taken of context has been used for generations upon generations to justify the hate of anyone who is not heterosexual, I find it appalling. You, sir, are the real disgrace to the Christian/Judaism religion which is suppose to be tolerant and loving of all- the very opposite of hate. That or you are simply misguided.

I have a few options right now. I could go further or I could just flame you. I'd do the former but you would not listen to a single word, and if I do the latter, I would simply get banned. So I'll just say congratulations, you have become the very first person I have ever blocked. I don't think I want to read anything else you have to type.

That is all.

[Bishop]

ah, this old chestnut again. every forum has a thread like this.


despite the fact that both camps hold utterly irreconcilable points of view, people keep bleating on, and on, and on...



anyway, i feel like a bit of bleating myself.

any sexual practice that isn't paedophilia, bestiality, sex with corpses or anything similar (and no, homosexuality is NOT similar to paedophilia) is just A-OK in my book, even if i wouldn't particularly want to do it myself.

[Super Kal]

You go do that. You're get all piss miss. Why? lol

What's contradicting? Not wanting Gays to have rights that married couples get or Gays not granted the rights that a married man and woman get? LoL It's not contradicting b/c I stand against Gay marriage and nothing I say supports them b/c I think they're a disgrace to God and Life in general which only God grants.

It may be a disgrace to God, but He still loves them no matter what they do, and God calls upon us to love one another, just as He loves us, and that includes those who have chosen a different life than our own. We have absolutely NO right to deny them their existence or the right to exist or to live their life because it is not for us to decide their fate.

[chaseter]

Wow Tai...

My religion says being gay is bad but that doesn't mean you should have anything against those people, they are human beings. I really don't care if they get married as it won't change anything that has to do with me. I don't get why someone thinks that a gay couple getting married demeans marriage in general. It has nothing to do with your marriage which is the only marriage you should be worried about. I am thankful for my gay cousin because if I had no gay relatives, I would not be near as understanding to that community as I am today.

I also don't get why a 'lisp' is automatically inherited when you come out of the closet! I have yet to understand that.

[Golgo-13]

The baning of Gay Marriage is the same reason why prostitution isn't legal; it's a moral issue most law makers are too scared to deal with.

[chaseter]

It may be a disgrace to God, but He still loves them no matter what they do, and God calls upon us to love one another, just as He loves us, and that includes those who have chosen a different life than our own. We have absolutely NO right to deny them their existence or the right to exist or to live their life because it is not for us to decide their fate.
Exactly, I forget the verses but:

"He who has not sinned may cast the first stone."
Well that's not man and that certainly isn't any one of us in here. Why condemn someone else when you yourself commit sins?

"Love the person, not the sin."
You can love anybody for who they are, but you don't have to support their morals. I hate smoking, but I don't weed out my friends that smoke because I hate the act of smoking.

[Taiwarriorz21]

I can understand where Tai is coming from, because at one point in my life, i thought the same way, but I've come to realize that it's not up to us to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

I agree with that. I do not hate those people only the nature of the sin that's all. God wants us to love those people and we do. God the judge of all and He is the one that makes the say so. I don't like the word "executioner" b/c God is just and He does execute people and send them to hell or to heaven. It's the person with the sin in their lives that send themselves their. We all have a choice to live how God says or to live however we want. I chose God. It's a hard decision b/c you have to sacrifice things that revolve around sin like drugs, sex outside marriage, drinking excessively, cussing, and other things. Yes I am human and I sin and I acknowledge that and turn away from my wrong doings. I know and have a couple friends that are gay and lesbian. I have brought them to Wednesday nite church and they know that their loved.

I agree with Kal 100%.

[Super Kal]

I agree with that. I do not hate those people only the nature of the sin that's all. God wants us to love those people and we do. God the judge of all and He is the one that makes the say so. I don't like the word "executioner" b/c God is just and He does execute people and send them to hell or to heaven. It's the person with the sin in their lives that send themselves their. We all have a choice to live how God says or to live however we want. I chose God. It's a hard decision b/c you have to sacrifice things that revolve around sin like drugs, sex outside marriage, drinking excessively, cussing, and other things. Yes I am human and I sin and I acknowledge that and turn away from my wrong doings. I know and have a couple friends that are gay and lesbian. I have brought them to Wednesday nite church and they know that their loved.

I agree with Kal 100%.
then please don't sit there and say that you'd deny them their rights as human beings just because of their sexual preferences... Christ would never do that to ANYONE. He would disagree with their choices, but love them all the same.

[Bishop]

I agree with that. I do not hate those people only the nature of the sin that's all. God wants us to love those people and we do. God the judge of all and He is the one that makes the say so. I don't like the word "executioner" b/c God is just and He does execute people and send them to hell or to heaven. It's the person with the sin in their lives that send themselves their. We all have a choice to live how God says or to live however we want. I chose God. It's a hard decision b/c you have to sacrifice things that revolve around sin like drugs, sex outside marriage, drinking excessively, cussing, and other things. Yes I am human and I sin and I acknowledge that and turn away from my wrong doings. I know and have a couple friends that are gay and lesbian. I have brought them to Wednesday nite church and they know that their loved.

I agree with Kal 100%.


firstly

church on wednesday?!

harsh. go to the pub.

also

you're being very presumptuous about 'god's will'. what human can rightly say they've got the correct interpretation of a supposedly divine deity's wishes?

[Super Kal]

firstly

church on wednesday?!
there's nothing wrong with it...

what human can rightly say they've got the correct interpretation of a supposedly divine deity's wishes?
no human can.

[Taiwarriorz21]

firstly

church on wednesday?!

harsh. go to the pub.

also

you're being very presumptuous about 'god's will'. what human can rightly say they've got the correct interpretation of a supposedly divine deity's wishes?

For the Bible tells me so. hmm

[Mr Sparkle]

You go do that. You're get all piss miss. Why? lol

What's contradicting? Not wanting Gays to have rights that married couples get or Gays not granted the rights that a married man and woman get? LoL It's not contradicting b/c I stand against Gay marriage and nothing I say supports them b/c I think they're a disgrace to God and Life in general which only God grants.

then you're a disgrace, because the Christ taught you to forgive, and that only God is worthy of Judging sin and worthiness.
you fail Boomhauer.:csad:

[Mr Sparkle]

For the Bible tells me so. hmm

the bible says nothing about Lesbians.:o

[LouFerignoDemon]

The bible teaches for people not to tolerate those against God's law either.

But I digress.

Coming from France, where it is legal to have a same sex union, it has seemed to cause no problems. It's full on marriage that seems to find problems, but only for religious reasons.

[spideyboy_1111]

which is amusing considering marriage was around even before christ

[Mr Sparkle]

plus, it's a not a "religious" marriage. I don't understand how beliefs even come into the picture.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yep. When the church peoplez got greedy, they sort of found out that they could rake in the cash by tying it to the VERY religious people of their day, and it blossomed into the thought that marriage (and it's secular civil union counterpart) are tied together.

[LouFerignoDemon]

plus, it's a not a "religious" marriage. I don't understand how beliefs even come into the picture.


Well, that's the difference. A civil union would be secular, where a marriage is considered a church thing, making it sacred. If it's a sacred issue, then I guess it should be up to the church if they want to bless it as a marriage, but denying them basic civil union is sort of harder to object, as there's really no reason for them not to.

I mean, no matter what, it has to be a civil union if you apply for a marriage license and all that jazz, so the state should more or less make the mandate on same sex unions. Though, given that it's by majority vote, I guess the people of America simply do not like the idea, despite having good or bad reasoning for it.

[Mr Sparkle]

Well, that's the difference. A civil union would be secular, where a marriage is considered a church thing, making it sacred. If it's a sacred issue, then I guess it should be up to the church if they want to bless it as a marriage, but denying them basic civil union is sort of harder to object, as there's really no reason for them not to.

kind of.
you can be "married" by the state. that's what people are against, they don't want to call it marriage or have the people in the same sex marriage have the same rights as those in Men-women unions.
pretty bigoted if you ask me.

[Sarge 2.0]

firstly

church on wednesday?!

harsh. go to the pub.
High five. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Agreed.

(Though "married" is sort of just the general term used. Like getting a "band aid" to tell the truth. =/) Either way. It'll probably end up as a fault on the wording, separating marriage and civil unions as specifics between heterosexual and homosexual pairings. It's how it ended in my home country.

And to tell the truth, it seems really dumb.

[Bishop]

For the Bible tells me so. hmm


the bible is unreliable narrative written by numerous unsourced authors, with no more moral authority than don quixote or harry potter. that's not to say it's entirely meaningless or that jesus wasn't a top guy, but it does not justify prejudice against anyone.

[Mr Sparkle]

yeah :(

[LouFerignoDemon]

the bible is unreliable narrative written by numerous authors, with no more moral authority than don quixote. that's not to say it's entirely meaningless or that jesus wasn't a top guy, but it does not justify prejudice against anyone.
*Puts on the flame retardant suit.*

[DBella]

For the Bible tells me so. hmm
The Bible was written, and re-written, by men. Human who are flawed.

[Sarge 2.0]

the bible is unreliable narrative written by numerous unsourced authors, with no more moral authority than don quixote or harry potter. that's not to say it's entirely meaningless or that jesus wasn't a top guy, but it does not justify prejudice against anyone.Now this thread is getting fun.

I could've sworn that Tai had said he would never come back to the Hype or something a while back. Maybe I'm mis-remembering...

[Mr Sparkle]

The Bible was written, and re-written, by men. Human who are flawed.

and oft times...gay!

[LouFerignoDemon]

While the bible definitely isn't the same bible that we now have today (given that it had to be translated from different languages more than once), and a whole new series was added to it, it's also believed to be one of the most faithfully reproduced works of texts (aside from other interpretations such as the King James or Lutheran texts), with the least amounts of deviations.

I just find it slightly odd that it would take such a staunch anti-homosexual theme in a time period where homoesexuality was common and accepted in several places.

Whether it gives it validation or not is not-withstanding. Just some info for kicks.

[Sarge 2.0]

and oft times...gay!For serious. Jesus had twelve dudes with him at all times. And if you're an evangelical, you choose to believe that Jesus never boned Mary Magdalene. Personally, if I was a thirty three year old virgin that hung out with twelve guys day and night, I would've wrecked that chick.

[LouFerignoDemon]

For serious. Jesus had twelve dudes with him at all times. And if you're an evangelical, you choose to believe that Jesus never boned Mary Magdalene. Personally, if I was a thirty three year old virgin that hung out with twelve guys day and night, I would've wrecked that chick.


I'm pretty sure it never depicted Jesus as a virgin in the skip of records. o.o

[Memphis Slim]

the bible says nothing about Lesbians.:o

Oh really?.


Romans Chapter one:

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.

[Sarge 2.0]

I'm pretty sure it never depicted Jesus as a virgin in the skip of records. o.oI was mostly referencing Robot Chicken there.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I really need to watch more of that show. x.x

[Bishop]

I'm pretty sure it never depicted Jesus as a virgin in the skip of records. o.o


well, regardless of depiction, he was a virgin. unless you choose to believe that he got married, or he had sex outside of wedlock. both seem to be considered blasphemous.

[LouFerignoDemon]

It would be a neat little "get out of jail free card" if they sort of not mention anything about that, as the only significant virgin around seemed to be Mary. Most people wouldn't really view Jesus as someone without desires. Sex out of wedlock was frowned upon socially, but definitely not outright blasphemised by the public or the bible itself.

[Mr Sparkle]

Oh really?.


Romans Chapter one:

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.

wow, I stand corrected.
now tell me what Jesus said.
you know, cuz he didn't say anything you know.
because if you're gonna quote Mathhew you might want to stop wearing the mixed fabrics and stuff.

[bullets]

I was mostly referencing Robot Chicken there.


hell yeah!!! robot chicken is as fun as perversion .

[pyromaniac]

It's baseless, incredible and illogical comments like those that actually make me wonder about the eligibility requirements to usher in a Pope.

[Hotwire]

Does anyone here actually agree with the pope?

[sinewave]

so, the pope is turning into fred phelps? nice.

so much for that lack of extremism in modern cay christianity, eh cellslim?

[Memphis Slim]

wow, I stand corrected.
now tell me what Jesus said.
you know, cuz he didn't say anything you know.
because if you're gonna quote Mathhew you might want to stop wearing the mixed fabrics and stuff.


And Jesus didn't mention wife beating, drug use or a host of other things either. Are you saying that he would be in favor of those just because he didn't mention them?

That's a very flawed premise. Then you are in position of throwing out the rest of the Bible if it wasn't said in the gospels ....and you can't do that. Face it. even if Jesus did say it, you'd still reject it.

[Memphis Slim]

Sparkie:
wow, I stand corrected.
now tell me what Jesus said.



I'll what He "did" say though...

John 3
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
__________________________________________________ ________

That's why Jesus and Christianity are targets all of the time. Even if Jesus said it, you'd still reject what he said.

[Superhobo]

I'll what He "did" say though...

John 3
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
__________________________________________________ ________

That's why Jesus and Christianity are targets all of the time. Even if Jesus said it, you'd still reject what he said.


Wow. That's some grade-A reaching, there. Damn.

[Superhobo]

And Jesus didn't mention wife beating, drug use or a host of other things either. Are you saying that he would be in favor of those just because he didn't mention them?

That's a very flawed premise. Then you are in position of throwing out the rest of the Bible if it wasn't said in the gospels ....and you can't do that. Face it. even if Jesus did say it, you'd still reject it.

Well, wouldn't those acts fall under the whole "love your neighbour, your fellow man, etc." thing? I think they would.

[amazingfantasy15]

And Jesus didn't mention wife beating, drug use or a host of other things either. Are you saying that he would be in favor of those just because he didn't mention them?

That's a very flawed premise. Then you are in position of throwing out the rest of the Bible if it wasn't said in the gospels ....and you can't do that. Face it. even if Jesus did say it, you'd still reject it.

In terms of drug use, Jesus was totally cool with drinking wine, alcohol is a drug, a socially acceptable drug, but a drug nonetheless.

[Steve Rogers]

In terms of drug use, Jesus was totally cool with drinking wine, alcohol is a drug, a socially acceptable drug, but a drug nonetheless.No kidding. He turned water into wine for others. Doesn't that make him a pusher. "Hey, if you ever want more wine, you know where to come."

[amazingfantasy15]

No kidding. He turned water into wine for others. Doesn't that make him a pusher. "Hey, if you ever want more wine, you know where to come."

Not only that it was his first miracle. Healing the leapers, giving eyesight to the blind can wait, first off let's get this party going!

[Steve Rogers]

Not only that it was his first miracle. Healing the leapers, giving eyesight to the blind can wait, first off let's get this party going!
See? I knew Jesus was cool.

[Sarge 2.0]

Well, wouldn't those acts fall under the whole "love your neighbour, your fellow man, etc." thing? I think they would.I assume that you were trying to make a funny. If that's the case, then you're an epic failure for fairly obvious reasons.

[Mr Sparkle]

And Jesus didn't mention wife beating, drug use or a host of other things either. Are you saying that he would be in favor of those just because he didn't mention them?

That's a very flawed premise. Then you are in position of throwing out the rest of the Bible if it wasn't said in the gospels ....and you can't do that. Face it. even if Jesus did say it, you'd still reject it.

no, what I DID say is that you often cite Jesus as the reason why the old testament is not followed.
but he did say that he didn't come to abolish the law.
so my question was , which is it? Jesus trumps the old testament or doesn't he?
in which case I have some witches to kill.

[Mr Sparkle]

I'll what He "did" say though...

John 3
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
__________________________________________________ ________

That's why Jesus and Christianity are targets all of the time. Even if Jesus said it, you'd still reject what he said.

I fail to see what that has to do with Lesbians.:huh:
which was my question.
also, I'm sure that to say homosexuality is "evil" is the sheer height of stupidity.

[Super Kal]

I'll what He "did" say though...

John 3
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
__________________________________________________ ________

That's why Jesus and Christianity are targets all of the time. Even if Jesus said it, you'd still reject what he said.
very well said.

[Majik1387]

very well said.
And another one to add to the ignore list.

[amazingfantasy15]

See? I knew Jesus was cool.

Yeah, too bad his followers screw everything up...

[C.F. Kane]

I'll what He "did" say though...

John 3
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
__________________________________________________ ________

That's why Jesus and Christianity are targets all of the time. Even if Jesus said it, you'd still reject what he said.

You know, I've never understood why religion can get away with attempting to preach The Word by saying that you'll go to hell if you don't believe. In logic it's called the Appeal to Force fallacy. If a man is mugging you at gunpoint, you don't respect him because of his mind or his mentality, you only respect him and his wishes because he has the gun.

[Zoken]

Can't believe I haven't seen this one before. Quick position?

I can't see a single legal reason to prohibit homosexuals from marrying each other. and frankly, we're talking about law here. I've believed for a while now that Religion should not be mixed with Law. That is a recipe for disaster.

[C.F. Kane]

I'd actually go easy on cellslim guys. Every time we beat his arguments into the ground he only gets madder and more likely to type in bold.

[Steve Rogers]

Can't believe I haven't seen this one before. Quick position?

I can't see a single legal reason to prohibit homosexuals from marrying each other. and frankly, we're talking about law here. I've believed for a while now that Religion should not be mixed with Law. That is a recipe for disaster.:applaud What would the founding fathers say if they new that was happening?

[Super Kal]

Yeah, too bad his followers screw everything up...
it's not all believers... it's just the radicals that give Christianity a bad rep

[Super Kal]

I've believed for a while now that Religion should not be mixed with Law. That is a recipe for disaster.
I completely agree... it should NEVER be mixed

[Joker]

I'd actually go easy on cellslim guys. Every time we beat his arguments into the ground he only gets madder and more likely to type in bold.

yeah, but maybe he'll get banned again, and actually stay gone this time.

[Sandman138]

I doubt it. I'm pretty sure he's on a mission from God.
http://alversonentertainment.com/artists/blues.jpg

[sinewave]

I doubt it. I'm pretty sure he's on a mission from God.
http://alversonentertainment.com/artists/blues.jpg

who are those wannabes?

[Mr Sparkle]

it's not all believers... it's just the radicals that give Christianity a bad rep

dude, you pretty much agreed with Celldog about gay people being "evil"
so, seriously.