Discussion: Gay Rights

[jaguarr]

Religion in general is all whacked out. "So I can't eat fish on a friday?"

That's retarded!!


You have to give up something for Lent, by the way. And no eating today, either.

jag

[deemar325]

You have to give up something for Lent, by the way. And no eating today, either.

jag

I respect the act as a gesture of faith (mostly cause it doesn't effect anyone, but yourself.)

[jaguarr]

I respect the act as a gesture of faith (mostly cause it doesn't effect anyone, but yourself.)

I respect people's devotion and committment to their faith to make those gestures. But, I also recognize that a religion would ask these things of it's followers as exercising and reinforcing a means of control. Enforced fasting makes it easier to drill home certain tenets and beliefs when someone's resistance has been worn down by starvation, too. Religions do a lot of things that are pretty widely accepted by people and rarely questioned as to the true underlying reasons behind them.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, so nobody sees any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia? Pedophiles who engage in sexual acts with children of the SAME SEX are more than just sick in the head, there has to be some element of homosexuality in there as well.

[jaguarr]

Wait, so nobody sees any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia? Pedophiles who engage in sexual acts with children of the SAME SEX are more than just sick in the head, there has to be some element of homosexuality in there as well.


But people who engage in sexual acts with children of a different sex aren't sick in the head? They're both despicable acts.

jag

[JLBats]

Wait, so nobody sees any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia? Pedophiles who engage in sexual acts with children of the SAME SEX are more than just sick in the head, there has to be some element of homosexuality in there as well.

Yeah, but pedophiles who go for little girls must have some HETEROsexuality in there. What does it say about either side exactly?

[Colossal Spoons]

But people who engage in sexual acts with children of a different sex aren't sick in the head? They're both despicable acts.

jag

Oh, I agree they're both sick, but some are sick...and homosexual. you have to be homosexual to find the body of somebody from your sex attractive no matter how old they are.

Yeah, but pedophiles who go for little girls must have some HETEROsexuality in there. What does it say about either side exactly?

They're just sick.

[jaguarr]

Oh, I agree they're both sick, but some are sick...and homosexual. you have to be homosexual to find the body of somebody from your sex attractive no matter how old they are.
.

So why is one any worse than the other? They're both equally morally wrong in my book.

jag

[Flame on!]

What about a man who has sex with underage male animals? I'm just askin'...

[jaguarr]

What about a man who has sex with underage male animals? I'm just askin'...

Well, by some standards, that would be considered quite a bit sicker than if he'd had sex with an underage female animal.

jag

[unknownuser]

conditioned, definitely not genetic

[Strange]

conditioned, definitely not genetic

Another reason I agree with this is prison life. Most men in prison are not gay but they may engage in homosexual acts.

[MaskedManJRK]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.

[jaguarr]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.

I blame Colossal Spoons. :(

jag

[Flame on!]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.
But you do agree that both are induced by a mental state, right? If not from birth, then from the enviroment in which one was brought up. Nobody is condoning pedophilia.

[Strange]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.

If I was to compare homosexuality to anything, I would compare it to incest between a brother and a sister. In this case of incest you have two individuals who are of age and consenting but the act is still not look well upon by most of society. Of course with incest you could conceive a child and that would be not good.

[Lurk]

Another reason I agree with this is prison life. Most men in prison are not gay but they may engage in homosexual acts.

I'm thinking this has more to do with power and control than sexuality; there is a distinction between being homosexual and participating in homosexual acts. It's also important to note that very little sex in prison is consensual.

[Lurk]

If I was to compare homosexuality to anything, I would compare it to incest between a brother and a sister. In this case of incest you have two individuals who are of age and consenting but the act is still not look well upon by most of society. Of course with incest you could conceive a child and that would be not good.

How can those be compared when siblings could produce genetically deformed children? Who do homosexuals risk hurting?

[Strange]

How can those be compared when siblings could produce genetically deformed children? Who do homosexuals risk hurting?

I mentioned the risk of having children in my post, but my point was the relastionship not the outcome of having sex. It was my best comparison which I thought of more accurately than a pedophile.

[jaguarr]

I'm thinking this has more to do with power and control than sexuality; there is a distinction between being homosexual and participating in homosexual acts. It's also important to note that very little sex in prison is consensual.


That's actually a good point. Most sexual crimes including rape and pedophilia are usually about power and control in some shape or form, rather than the sex itself.

jag

[Lurk]

I mentioned the risk of having children in my post, but my point was the relastionship not the outcome of having sex. It was my best comparison which I thought of more accurately than a pedophile.
But I'm asking, how do they even compare? Because society approves of neither? That's fairly inaccurate considering the percentage of homosexuals and those tolerant of homosexuality versus the number of people involved in and encouraging incest. And why does society disapprove of incest? Because it's dangerous to a bloodline. Why does society disapprove of homosexuality? Because it doesn't fit their definition of what is normal, not because it harms anyone.

Forgive me for sounding curt, but what's your point?

[deemar325]

That's actually a good point. Most sexual crimes including rape and pedophilia are usually about power and control in some shape or form, rather than the sex itself.

jag

Your avy is freaking me out! it cool though.:up:


Also I agree with your statement, it's more about control than anything.

[deemar325]

I respect people's devotion and committment to their faith to make those gestures. But, I also recognize that a religion would ask these things of it's followers as exercising and reinforcing a means of control. Enforced fasting makes it easier to drill home certain tenets and beliefs when someone's resistance has been worn down by starvation, too. Religions do a lot of things that are pretty widely accepted by people and rarely questioned as to the true underlying reasons behind them.

jag

To true to even fanthom. :up:

[Strange]

But I'm asking, how do they even compare? Because society approves of neither? That's fairly inaccurate considering the percentage of homosexuals and those tolerant of homosexuality versus the number of people involved in and encouraging incest. And why does society disapprove of incest? Because it's dangerous to a bloodline. Why does society disapprove of homosexuality? Because it doesn't fit their definition of what is normal, not because it harms anyone.

Forgive me for sounding curt, but what's your point?

My point was someone ealier compared homosexuality to pedophia and I thought incest would be closer, but in relastionship terms not having kids.

[Lurk]

but that point doesn't hold water.....

[Dorian Gray]

I guess Whirlysplat wants to get up to speed on debates that have been rehashed here about 67,583 times already? :confused:


Yet, people still discuss them:confused:

[jaguarr]

My point was someone ealier compared homosexuality to pedophia and I thought incest would be closer, but in relastionship terms not having kids.

Why does homosexuality have to be compared to anything at all? It is what it is? Is it incomprehensible to you without being able to compare it to something that's even more disgusting to you than homosexuality appears to be? It's it's own entity, and there's a large percentage of people who don't find it wrong in the least, whereas pedophillia and incest are pretty widely regarded as unacceptable under any circumstances.

jag

[deemar325]

At the end of the day most people think two guys screwing each other in the fudge hole is disgusting and women shagging is ok only if it's hot chicks and you get to watch.

That's just the way it is.

[Anthony05]

If I've learned anything on these topics it's that if someone has an opinion, it's probably not going to change. I don't know why people care so much about what people do with their personal lives. Aren't there more important things to worry about?

[Strange]

Why does homosexuality have to be compared to anything at all? It is what it is? Is it incomprehensible to you without being able to compare it to something that's even more disgusting to you than homosexuality appears to be? It's it's own entity, and there's a large percentage of people who don't find it wrong in the least, whereas pedophillia and incest are pretty widely regarded as unacceptable under any circumstances.

jag

It doesn't have to be compared to anything, since it was already compared to peodphilia I just tried to come up with a better example. You are very correct it is it's own entity.

[jaguarr]

At the end of the day most people think two guys screwing each other in the fudge hole is disgusting and women shagging is ok only if it's hot chicks and you get to watch.

That's just the way it is.


That duplicity cracks me up, actually. I used to have a friend who said "When two guys screw, it's f**king disgusting. When two chicks screw, it's ART!" LOL! Lesbianism is much more accepted in our society than male homosexuality is, which strikes me as pretty hypocritical.

jag

[Strange]

That duplicity cracks me up, actually. I used to have a friend who said "When two guys screw, it's f**king disgusting. When two chicks screw, it's ART!" LOL! Lesbianism is much more accepted in our society than male homosexuality is, which strikes me as pretty hypocritical.

jag

Unless the lesbianism involves Rosie O'donnell.

[jaguarr]

Unless the lesbianism involves Rosie O'donnell.

Rosie O'Donnell isn't a lesbian, she's a dyke. The general populace don't usually find dyke's attractive. They like pretty, non-threatening lipstick lesbians.

jag

[JLBats]

Guys only think they like lesbians. They actually like straight women who occasionally make out with other straight women.

[deemar325]

That duplicity cracks me up, actually. I used to have a friend who said "When two guys screw, it's f**king disgusting. When two chicks screw, it's ART!" LOL! Lesbianism is much more accepted in our society than male homosexuality is, which strikes me as pretty hypocritical.

jag

I pretty much agree with your buddy.

I don't see it as hypocritical, even none lesbian women recognize that the female form is more appealing.

I can't really respect a homosexual male fully, I can befriend a homosexual (if they aren't limp wristed queens.) but in the back of my mind I'm always gonna know this cat sticks his 'lil'Elvis' in that guy's 'meathole'.

I can at least admit that I'm not fond of the lifestyle, yet I'm not gonna alienate somebody for it.

[jaguarr]

Guys only think they like lesbians. They actually like straight women who occasionally make out with other straight women.


If by "like" you mean "think they would have a chance at banging" then I agree with you. I have several lesbian friends that were always a blast to hang out with when I was single and wanted to go cruise the bars for women. The very best wing man in the world is a lesbian who will help you meet women. :up: I don't see them as much since I got married, but my wife and I meet them for dinner or drinks now and again. They're good people.

jag

[JLBats]

If by "like" you mean "think they would have a chance at banging" then I agree with you. I have several lesbian friends that were always a blast to hang out with when I was single and wanted to go cruise the bars for women. The very best wing man in the world is a lesbian who will help you meet women. :up: I don't see them as much since I got married, but my wife and I meet them for dinner or drinks now and again. They're good people.

jag

I meant watching them.

[deemar325]

Guys only think they like lesbians. They actually like straight women who occasionally make out with other straight women.

and that's why 'Girls Gone Wild' is pure genius!

:up:

[jaguarr]

I can at least admit that I'm not fond of the lifestyle, yet I'm not gonna alienate somebody for it.

And THAT I can respect, man. :up:

jag

[deemar325]

And THAT I can respect, man. :up:

jag

I got a cousin who's gay and although, I think he's weird. He's still a good guy and funny as sh-t!

All I ask of him is not to bring that gay sex talk around me or his flagrant boyfriends.

[rabidfanboy]

Just to touch on the pedophilia subject, some studies have shown that 1 in 4 male adults have had or have sexual feelings for children. In some cultures it has been breed into a person to be attracted to children or adolescents. Whether it is still acceptable in that culture or not the disposition towards children is still present within certain people because of that conditioning. Japan's culture is still huge on promoting it what with their Lolita obsessions. I've read some interesting articles linking pedophilia and ephebophilia to genetic traits and breeding. It also doesn't help that cultures have for centuries and still do marry children off at very young ages. The youngest age of consent in the U.S. right now is 14 years old. I've also read somewhere that at one point the age of consent in the U.S. was 10 years old.

I'm not trying to condone it or say it is right, just give an opposing viewpoint. I personally think it is wrong and get disgusted when I read stories involving young children or even babies.

As far as being gay I believe it is genetic.

[KingOfDreams]

Homosexuals can already get civil unions

not in Texas

[deemar325]

I think Texas will oneday seperate from the rest of the US and becoming it's own country.

[raybia]

Combination of both.

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality happen on a continuum. We are genetically predisposed in one direction or the other (or both in the case of bisexuals) but we choose to act upon that predisposition.


I think that its possible that some Homosexuals have a genetic predisposition towards it but ultimately its still a choice to pursue that type of relationship.

[deemar325]

^ I agree.

[Calvin]

I think that its possible that some Homosexuals have a genetic predisposition towards it but ultimately its still a choice to pursue that type of relationship.
Just like, um, hetero-sexuality.

[Calvin]

You have to give up something for Lent, by the way. And no eating today, either.

jag
I ate 9 hot dogs for lunch today. They containted turkey, ham, and beef. Take that god, ball's in your court now.

[The Riddler]

why not?

[deemar325]

I ate 9 hot dogs for lunch today. They containted turkey, ham, and beef. Take that god, ball's in your court now.

lol!

[raybia]

Just like, um, hetero-sexuality.

Goes without being said.

[Calvin]

Goes without being said.
Not in this thread.

[Sun_Down]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.

The people that would try to connect homosexuality and pedophillia are only doing so to try to justify their own bigotry by making homosexuals out to be criminals. And I agree, it's absolutely disgusting.

[raybia]

Not in this thread.


Well I guess there are people who need things spelled out.

[Calvin]

Well I guess there are people who need things spelled out.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of people on here would take your last summation to mean that homosexuality is different than heterosexuality because of the "but ultimately its still a choice to pursue that type of relationship" part. Just wanted to make it clear that heterosexually, logically, works exactly the same way.

[raybia]

I'm pretty sure that a lot of people on here would take your last summation to mean that homosexuality is different than heterosexuality because of the "but ultimately its still a choice to pursue that type of relationship" part. Just wanted to make it clear that heterosexually, logically, works exactly the same way.


:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Frankly, I'm disqusted that you guys would compare homosexuality to pedophillia. Here's the difference: With homosexuals, the act is between CONSENTING ADULTS, while pedophillia is the exact oppisate.

I don't see anything wrong with what I said. Males who find other males sexually attractive are homosexuals. Men who find little boys attractive aren't just homosexual, they're pedophiles. I fail to see what's disgusting. I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality, it's pedophilia that's sickening but they DO have something in common.

The people that would try to connect homosexuality and pedophillia are only doing so to try to justify their own bigotry by making homosexuals out to be criminals. And I agree, it's absolutely disgusting.

What the heck? I think it's awesome so many people are flocking to defend homosexuals across the globe but it's really not needed as I'm not bashing them. Males that like males are homosexuals.

[Calvin]

I don't see anything wrong with what I said. Males who find other males sexually attractive are homosexuals. Men who find little boys attractive aren't just homosexual, they're pedophiles. I fail to see what's disgusting. I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality, it's pedophilia that's sickening but they DO have something in common.
Everything has something in common, doesn't make it a valid comparison for this argument. Kids are not rationally developed, that's why they can't drive cars, buy cigarettes, etc. There isn't even valid argument to be made with this.

[Anthony05]

I don't see anything wrong with what I said. Males who find other males sexually attractive are homosexuals. Men who find little boys attractive aren't just homosexual, they're pedophiles. I fail to see what's disgusting. I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality, it's pedophilia that's sickening but they DO have something in common.

And that's NO different than older men who prey on little girls. So why are people making pedophilia a homosexual issue? Talk about ignorance.

[Colossal Spoons]

Everything has something in common, doesn't make it a valid comparison for this argument. Kids are not rationally developed, that's why they can't drive cars, buy cigarettes, etc. There isn't even valid argument to be made with this.

I was never arguing anything, somebody earlier said that he couldn't see the connection and I pointed it out. You're right, all they do is share something in common.

When the heck did the Hype get a Rainbow Coalition anyway? Jeez.

And that's NO different than older men who prey on little girls. So why are people making pedophilia a homosexual issue? Talk about ignorance.

How is it not? Little girls and little girls have different parts.(What is this, 1st grade?) Pedophilia is VERY BAD, homosexuality is A-OK.

[Calvin]

I was never arguing anything, somebody earlier said that he couldn't see the connection and I pointed it out. You're right, all they do is share something in common.

When the heck did the Hype get a Rainbow Coalition anyway? Jeez.
It's not a rainbow coalition, it's just not being a bigot. Not accusing you of it, just sayin'.

[deemar325]

^ Since Jesse Jackson joined.

[rabidfanboy]

When the heck did the Hype get a Rainbow Coalition anyway? Jeez.

Jesse Jackson's here?!

[Colossal Spoons]

It's not a rainbow coalition, it's just not being a bigot. Not accusing you of it, just sayin'.

I know I'm not, I've yet to say anything discriminatory.

[jaguarr]

I just think it's totally sad that we had to find out that Colossal Spoons is a pedophile this way. :down

jag

[deemar325]

Jesse Jackson's here?!

Yep! he's really War Lord.

:up:

[deemar325]

I just think it's totally sad that we had to find out that Colossal Spoons is a pedophile this way. :down

jag

heh, I like C-Spoon he's been nothing but cool to me.:up:

[jaguarr]

heh, I like C-Spoon he's been nothing but cool to me.:up:

Yeah, he is cool. I'm just bustin' his nuts. It's all good. :up:

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I just think it's totally sad that we had to find out that Colossal Spoons is a pedophile this way. :down

jag

Oy :rolleyes:

It's good to see how many people will stick up for homosexuals around here though. Wonder what'll happen when somebody actually attacks them?

[Sandman138]

You never struck me as being this naive before. :confused: What a misinformed and bigoted statement.

jag

Yeah, I was confused when she started making off the deep end statements. However, looking back on things, I remember that she also tried to call transgenderds psychologically diseased. I think she's always had an authoritarian outlook, she just hides it behind well constructed sentences and unoffending words.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, he is cool. I'm just bustin' his nuts. It's all good. :up:

jag

Consider my nuts busted :)


...wait no.

[jaguarr]

Consider my nuts busted :)


...wait no.

Need a Handi-Wipe or anything?

jag

[jaguarr]

Oy :rolleyes:

It's good to see how many people will stick up for homosexuals around here though. Wonder what'll happen when somebody actually attacks them?

I've stood up for gay guys before when I've been downtown and the local college football 'tards start picking on them. Although, some of those gay guys are REALLY into bodybuilding and are considerably stronger than most of the dimwits that decide to pick on them.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

I've stood up for gay guys before when I've been downtown and the local college football 'tards start picking on them. Although, some of those gay guys are REALLY into bodybuilding and are considerably stronger than most of the dimwits that decide to pick on them.

jag

I go to school with some of the most immature people on Earth so trust me, I've had to put people in their place for using the word "***" more than 10 times in a sentence.

[deemar325]

I can't say I would run in for the save. That is unless it's life threating other than that guy is on his own.

[Calvin]

I definitely would. It's as disgusting as racism.

[Colossal Spoons]

Homosexuals tend to develop really tough skin after being tormented all their lives. The ones that choose to live with it that is, the suicide/homicide rates are ridiculous :(

[rabidfanboy]

How many people on here are really all that bothered when they here others using the word "***" or "gay" in normal conversation?

[deemar325]

I definitely would. It's as disgusting as racism.


:up: good man.

[Colossal Spoons]

How many people on here are really all that bothered when they here others using the word "***" or "gay" in normal conversation?

*raises hand*

I can't think of a single situation where that word couldn't be replaced with something else.

[deemar325]

How many people on here are really all that bothered when they here others using the word "***" or "gay" in normal conversation?

I'm army guy so that's part of the venacular.


It's a tool to motivate. :)

[Calvin]

How many people on here are really all that bothered when they here others using the word "***" or "gay" in normal conversation?
Depends on the context. If I know someone is clever and tolerant, if he makes a tongue-in-cheek remark calling a straight guy a *** just for impact effect, fair enough. But if you're making direct jokes about gay people and deriding them as ****, or calling them **** with derision, then I'll have an issue.

[jaguarr]

Depends on the context. If I know someone is clever and tolerant, if he makes a tongue-in-cheek remark calling a straight guy a *** just for impact effect, fair enough. But if you're making direct jokes about gay people and deriding them as ****, or calling them **** with derision, then I'll have an issue.

'Bout sums it up for me as well. I have quite a few gay friends and they call each other "***" A LOT, but they do it in a joking way that disempowers the word, much like blacks have done with the fabled "N" word. The other thing I'll say about a lot of gay guys is that they usually know how to hold their own or better in a fight. They've had to learn how to defend themselves and I've watched more than one "limp-wristed queen" hand an ass-whuppin' to some burly macho-man who absolutely deserved it.

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

'Bout sums it up for me as well. I have quite a few gay friends and they call each other "***" A LOT, but they do it in a joking way that disempowers the word, much like blacks have done with the fabled "N" word. The other thing I'll say about a lot of gay guys is that they usually know how to hold their own or better in a fight. They've had to learn how to defend themselves and I've watched more than one "limp-wristed queen" hand an ass-whuppin' to some burly macho-man who absolutely deserved it.

jag

I don't hear that much with the gay friends I have.

[jaguarr]

I don't hear that much with the gay friends I have.

Might be a regional thing. It mostly happens with the gay friends I have in the Bay Area. The one's where I live don't tend to do it as much, but they do use that term with each other.

jag

[rabidfanboy]

I could really care one way or the other when they are used in normal conversation. The terms have such different connotations nowadays for most people. Sure they still reaffirm negative attatchments with the words, but what can you do.

[Colossal Spoons]

Might be a regional thing. It mostly happens with the gay friends I have in the Bay Area. The one's where I live don't tend to do it as much, but they do use that term with each other.

jag


Hm. Then again, I am in college and I'm sure most of the homosexuals on my campus haven't emerged from the closet yet.

[Colossal Spoons]

I could really care one way or the other when they are used in normal conversation. The terms have such different connotations nowadays for most people. Sure they still reaffirm negative attatchments with the words, but what can you do.

um...not say it. People always say that about "***" and the "N" word. It would be so easy to just stop saying them but nobody wants to try. Not pickin on you, just makin a general comment.

P.S. When did the Hype start censoring **gg**?

[Calvin]

um...not say it. People always say that about "***" and "******". It would be so easy to just stop saying them but nobody wants to try. Not pickin on, just makin a general comment.
Exactly. And even beyond that, give people s**t for using them in negative ways. You don't have to be a sheep, stand up for something.

[rabidfanboy]

And I don't say them, but that still doesn't change what I said. When you have the mass media and people like Eminem pushing the words it won't die out until the next trend comes along.

[jaguarr]

Hm. Then again, I am in college and I'm sure most of the homosexuals on my campus haven't emerged from the closet yet.

Ahhh, yeah, that might explain it. My friends are more my age and pretty well sure that they're gay and have been for some time. Heh!

jag

[Colossal Spoons]

And I don't say them, but that still doesn't change what I said. When you have the mass media and people like Eminem pushing the words it won't die out until the next trend comes along.


Too true. Music is the number one culprit in my book.

[jaguarr]

Too true. Music is the number one culprit in my book.

Well, Eminem is pretty openly racist, IMHO.

jag

[Calvin]

Eminem has a LOT of problems that I excuse based on his immense talent.

[rabidfanboy]

Oh but if you ask him he's not. Didn't you see him hugging Elton John?
/sarcasm

That's what really works my nerves about him. How much he protests saying that he's just using the words as a different way of saying "bad."

[jaguarr]

Eminem has a LOT of problems that I excuse based on his immense talent.

Meh. I think he's more accountable because he's so influential on all those little *****'s in the 'burbs.

jag

[Calvin]

Meh. I think he's more accountable because he's so influential on all those little *****'s in the 'burbs.

jag
Yeah, I guess that's a factor. Talent really shouldn't excuse you from anything, that was just a knee-jerk comment.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I guess that's a factor. Talent really shouldn't excuse you from anything, that was just a knee-jerk comment.

I know you're adjusting to the whole "posting while sober" thing. You'll get the hang of it. :up:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

*walks in with his ax* this thread gets ugly and some of you will go bye bye
http://regencymovies.com/images/movies/243533.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

It's funny you guys singled out Eminem, the white rapper. I actually had a heap of black rappers in mind when I thought about blatant gay-bashing in lyrics.

http://regencymovies.com/images/movies/243533.jpg

I think we're being pretty civil :confused:

[rabidfanboy]

Eh, that would be my fault. I don't really listen to rap music all that much.

[jaguarr]

It's funny you guys singled out Eminem, the white rapper. I actually had a heap of black rappers in mind when I thought about blatant gay-bashing in lyrics.

Yeah, there are quite a few black rappers that bash on gay's a lot in their songs as well. They should be just as accountable.



I think we're being pretty civil :confused:

Shadow just be mad he don't got da fiya!!!

jag

[Calvin]

I know you're adjusting to the whole "posting while sober" thing. You'll get the hang of it. :up:

jag
Well, I'm not, right now. I wanted to hit the punching bag, but my hand is still sore, so I figured I'd drink until 8 so that I wouldn't feel anything. Excuses, excuses, ain't they grand?

[jaguarr]

Well, I'm not, right now. I wanted to hit the punching bag, but my hand is still sore, so I figured I'd drink until 8 so that I wouldn't feel anything. Excuses, excuses, ain't they grand?

Your ability to rationalize is remarkable. Admirable, even. :)

jag

[Spider-Bite]

Nothing that can't be changed by a person who wants to.

It's a scientific proven fact. A person's sexual orientation is determined by their hormone levels in their body and not their free will. That was proven over 10 years ago.

[Spider-Bite]

I don't mind as long as it's not in a church under the name of god.

Only a legal right with the benefits that come with it.

Your religous belief is not the only religous belief. NOw you want to tell people how then can and can't practice their religion?

That's communist, and that is deeply wrong.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, there are quite a few black rappers that bash on gay's a lot in their songs as well. They should be just as accountable.

I'm so not your typical black person cuz I ask every black person who's offended by the "N" word, whether or not they say "***" or not. If they say yes, their argument against the "N" word is instantly void. I sympathize for my fellow Afircan Americans the same amount as Jews and homosexuals. We're all the same boat IMO. I'd say Middle Easterners but they have a few more decades of discrimination before they can hang with us.

[jaguarr]

I ate 9 hot dogs for lunch today. They containted turkey, ham, and beef. Take that god, ball's in your court now.

LOFL!

jag

[Spider-Bite]

In that case, there hearts are in the right place yet if they are christian then that's not gonna work. They need to think about finding another religion to practice.

Just my opinion.

wrong Jeses said accept people for their difference. He said accept and tolerate diverse cultures and lifestyles.

Not all Christains believe exactly the same thing.

[JLBats]

Yeah, I was confused when she started making off the deep end statements. However, looking back on things, I remember that she also tried to call transgenderds psychologically diseased. I think she's always had an authoritarian outlook, she just hides it behind well constructed sentences and unoffending words.

Outsiderzedge once made the statement that all sex not intended to produce a child should be considered illogical and stopped.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I was confused when she started making off the deep end statements. However, looking back on things, I remember that she also tried to call transgenderds psychologically diseased. I think she's always had an authoritarian outlook, she just hides it behind well constructed sentences and unoffending words.

It was a surprise, to be sure. She was at least able to discuss it with me somewhat civilly so I have to give her props for that.

jag

[jaguarr]

I'm so not your typical black person cuz I ask every black person who's offended by the "N" word, whether or not they say "***" or not. If they say yes, their argument against the "N" word is instantly void. I sympathize for my fellow Afican Americans the same amount as Jews and homosexuals. We're all the same boat IMO. I'd say Middle Easterners but they have a few more decades of discrimination before they can hand with us.

I respect that, man. I think the sooner we stop suffering for the sins and sufferings of our ancestors and just move on with life and accept everyone as just being people and try to get along as best we can, the better off we'll be. It's cool to celebrate the differences between races and cultures, but too many people fixate on them rather than opening their eyes and realizing that we've all got a hell of a lot more in common than we do differences.

<cue "We Are The World" music>

jag

[Calvin]

Your ability to rationalize is remarkable. Admirable, even. :)

jag
I'm a master of rations.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well this thread has been a milestone for me. I was almost outted as a pedophile :D and Calvin and I agreed on something! besides our druggie AIM chat convo

[deemar325]

I'm so not your typical black person cuz I ask every black person who's offended by the "N" word, whether or not they say "***" or not. If they say yes, their argument against the "N" word is instantly void. I sympathize for my fellow Afican Americans the same amount as Jews and homosexuals. We're all the same boat IMO. I'd say Middle Easterners but they have a few more decades of discrimination before they can hand with us.


:up: :)


are you in my mind Spoon?

[Colossal Spoons]

Telepathy is awesome.

[deemar325]

Well, Eminem is pretty openly racist, IMHO.

jag

I think he's reformed, that or he knows he's usually around to many black folk to show his true colors.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

gay straight, all i know is that a hole will get filled and thats that.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think he's reformed, that or he knows he's usually around to many black folk to show his true colors.

Or, he's too busy insulting dog puppets. :down:

[deemar325]

Your religous belief is not the only religous belief. NOw you want to tell people how then can and can't practice their religion?

That's communist, and that is deeply wrong.

Not at all, just respect those who are real christians (even though I have my own issues with religion.) or gays should make their own religion.

[Sandman138]

Basically. i'm tired of having to fight just because i have an opinon outside the popular, liberal, 'screw the government' outlook. it's now a fad to follow a fad, let's do the opposite of the way nature works just because we aren't supposed to.

Yes, of course, the only reason we are arguing for the rights of a minority is so that those liberal bullies won't pick on us at school. We're victims of peer presure.

like toddlers. I say NO!!!!!

Did the irony of this little juxtaposition really escape you?

There's a reason homos can't have children, heh and that's what frustrates these fools. they can complain all they want about 'dictator bush' but they can NEVER change the fact that two people of the same sex can't have a baby without reaching outside that union and getting one from people who did it the RIGHT way.

First of all, using deragatory terms makes you look like both an ignoramus and an *******. I recomend you remedy the vile habbit. Next, this has little to nothing to do with Bush, so leave him out of this.

Now, on to your main argument. It's flawed, inside and out. The idea that nature is intrinsically heterosexist is negated by both the homosexual behaviours of other mammels outside of Homo erectus, as well as "the lovely replicative baroque of ferns and invertebrates (such nice organic prophylactics against heterosexism)" (Haraway, 1991). Nature operates in a far more complex system than a simple dichotomy of male/female.

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/HPS/Haraway/CyborgManifesto.html

So it looks like me and 77 others are willing to stand for what's right and not what's popular.:o

What is with all these diatribes using BIG BOLD CAPITALIZED PRINT to make their points? Seriously, it makes you look like a grade school dropout.

[Sandman138]

But what if the gay or lesbian couple that want to get married are deeply religious?

jag, playing Devil's Advocate...

Still shouldn't happen. Religious institutions are private institutions and their right to refuse to acknowladge such unions should be upheld.

[deemar325]

Or, he's too busy insulting dog puppets. :down:

Yeah..I miss the old Marshall, now he's kinda lame. Sad to say Proof's death will get him out of his slump.

[deemar325]

Proof was the Bubba to Em's Gump and guess what the brotha always die in those movies.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, a lot of people have predeicted his next album will be as sick as his first. I just home he can leave his mom, Kim, and homosexuals out of it.

[deemar325]

Still shouldn't happen. Religious institutions are private institutions and their right to refuse to acknowladge such unions should be upheld.

I have to agree somewhat. Yet as before I think all religions is useless to me. I don't need a Rabbi, Priest or Minister to talk to god or know he exists.

[Kmack]

It doesn't bother me. I don't think it's anyone's business to tell an adult who they can or can't marry.

[Abaddon]

its both

[deemar325]

I think his last album lacked because he was fairly happy.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Haha, that's so cruel. Somebody ruin his day A.S.A.P.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

gay straight, all i know is that a hole will get filled and thats that.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HRPorn-n-Stuff640x525.jpg

[deemar325]

Already done his second marriage to Kim didn't work out and his man Proof is dead.

Guy is gonna rake in 8mil in the first month of release of his CD.

[deemar325]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HRPorn-n-Stuff640x525.jpg

Pretty disturbing and I have PTSD.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I think homosexuality is genetic.In the sence its a personality defect,the person has no control over it.The sad souls...

[ShadowBoxing]

Still shouldn't happen. Religious institutions are private institutions and their right to refuse to acknowladge such unions should be upheld.As long as you legalize gay marriage (and some churches already would honor it) you would just let social pressure take care of that problem.

[Sun_Down]

What the heck? I think it's awesome so many people are flocking to defend homosexuals across the globe but it's really not needed as I'm not bashing them. Males that like males are homosexuals.

My post was about how horrible it is that people try to establish a connection between homosexuality and pedophillia. What are you talking about?

[Cho Chang]

I think that all forms of marriage other than "same-sex" ought to be disallowed and while we're at it perhaps we can beat up and ridicule straight people.

[thedeadite]

i can't believe it's even an issue....not too long ago though the same arguments where had over interracial marriages in many states in the u.s.. really....have we not learned anything yet???

[Colossal Spoons]

It was me who pushed for the connection, then you flew in with your post that I quoted. I do think there is a connection and you think it's horrible. That's what I'm talking about. The connection is that they have something in common.

[ShadowBoxing]

Well both "conditions" were removed from the list of psychological disorders after being subjected to the same tests.

[ScottyBBadd]

Totally chosen.

[ScottyBBadd]

Former President Bill Clinton signed into law the Marriage Defense Act which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman. As it should be.

[Calvin]

"As it should be," the mating call of a bigot.

[thedeadite]

ok am getting it straight that someone said there's a connection between homosexuality and pedophelia?!?!(i need to read back a few posts and see...cause no is that moronic)

ps. bettie page rules

[ScottyBBadd]

ok am getting it straight that someone said there's a connection between homosexuality and pedophelia?!?!(i need to read back a few posts and see...cause no is that moronic)

ps. bettie page rules

There is not nessicarily a link between homosexuality and pedophillia(sp).

[Colossal Spoons]

ok am getting it straight that someone said there's a connection between homosexuality and pedophelia?!?!(i need to read back a few posts and see...cause no is that moronic)

ps. bettie page rules

I said that they have something in common; however I cant' figure out the 2nd half of your post. :(

[ShadowBoxing]

ok am getting it straight that someone said there's a connection between homosexuality and pedophelia?!?!(i need to read back a few posts and see...cause no is that moronic)

ps. bettie page rulesThere is only a connection in the fact that neither are considered psychological disorders and that often pedophiles are found to be homosexual (have the same genetic differences in their brains).

[Colossal Spoons]

^Hopefully, when you say it, it'll sink in with some people.

[ScottyBBadd]

"As it should be," the mating call of a bigot.

Did you not read my post. That is waht the law says. I agree with it.

[Flame on!]

The people that would try to connect homosexuality and pedophillia are only doing so to try to justify their own bigotry by making homosexuals out to be criminals. And I agree, it's absolutely disgusting.
Not true.

I brought up the pedophilia angle in direct response to this...

Well, let's see, choice... or genetic? Let's examine some dialogue if it were a choice.

"Gee, you know what? I think I would like to be a target for hate crime, mocked and ridiculed, ostracized, and have unfair stereotypes pasted all over me. Yup, that's right! I'm gonna be gay!"

Cyclops here is inferring that all homosexuality is genetic as no-one would choose the opressions/insults/abuse that comes with the package.

By that logic, the same would be true for pedos/bestiality lovers and other assorted wackos, because, by the above logic, no-one would choose these distorted lifestyles. Which is codswallop.

I wasn't being bigoted. I just find it unacceptable that many find homosexuality to be some sort of desease or affliction as opposed to some free thinking individuals who would rather choose an alternative lifestyle because it makes them happier.

I used pedophilia as an extreme comparison in order to refute and ridicule the idea that we don't have a choice.

[Calvin]

That doesn't change a damn thing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Not true.

I brought up the pedophilia angle in direct response to this...



Cyclops here is inferring that all homosexuality is genetic as no-one would choose the opressions/insults/abuse that comes with the package.

By that logic, the same would be true for pedos/bestiality lovers and other assorted wackos, because, by the above logic, no-one would choose these distorted lifestyles. Which is codswallop.

I wasn't being bigoted. I just find it unacceptable that many find homosexuality to be some sort of desease or affliction as opposed to some free thinking individuals who would rather choose an alternative lifestyle because it makes them happier.

I used pedophilia as an extreme comparison in order to refute and ridicule the idea that we don't have a choice.According to most experts neither pedophilia or homosexuality is a choice. And as for your objection to us choking it up to some disease. Diseases affect you, its not part of you...its something that infects. Your genetics, in actuality, are a very large part of who you are...in fact they are mostly who you are. Your demeanor, your sex drive, your height, weight and athleticism, your IQ and ability all is determined by genetics...none of this is learned. Geniuses were never idiots, professional powerlifters were never weak (no matter what they tell you), card players were never unlucky ;). All these skills we pride ourselves on go right back to the programming inside us. So in fact being yourself, as a gay person would want to be, means accepting what they were born as. People who are gender confused, depressed, out of shape because of bad parents or bad circumstances are always unhappy because life has not given them the chance to pursue their natural talents. So no, its not a choice, for if it was it would mean the outside world naturally altered who they really were which would have been straight. Therefore they'd be confused because their genetics would tell them they were one thing and they would wish to be something they were not.

[Sandman138]

As long as you legalize gay marriage (and some churches already would honor it) you would just let social pressure take care of that problem.

Those that choose to accept smae-sex marrige, more power to them. The point is it should be a choice. This is not about GBLT rights for the sake of denouncing religion, it's about GBLT rights because we are human beings who should have civil rights.

[Sandman138]

Outsiderzedge once made the statement that all sex not intended to produce a child should be considered illogical and stopped.

Maybe she's just jealous cause she can't get laid.:confused:

[Sandman138]

Pedophilia is a disease.

I'm actually starting to think that pedophillia is a result of repression of sexuality at a young age continuing through to adulthood. If you repress a persons sexual desires through puberty, it would make a certian amount of sense that when they have the means to explore it, they look towards the age group that they were at when they first started having those urges. Ie: the body of a 25 year old with the sexual development of a 10 year old.

[AmbientFire]

yes for marriage

[Jolie_Desastre]

no one chooses to be gay. i hate it when all these religious groups say that.

[Jolie_Desastre]

I'm sorry, I cannot sit here and believe that homosexuality is genetic or that a person was "born gay." It is human instinct to reproduce with members of the opposite sex, just like it is instinct to breathe and eat.

Homosexuality just goes to show how much the world needs Jesus.

ok, i disagree

when religious groups say that homosexuality is evil. aids cures ****, they are going to hell. why would they choose that? i have many homosexual friends who have been openly gay for sometime now. they don't ever see themselves being straight. not everyone thinks the same. just because some ppl go against what you believe in doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. and it doesn't mean they need jesus. just my opinion.

[Angry Sentinel]

Uuum, why does it matter if it's choice or nature?

...and if so how come???

[Jolie_Desastre]

i guess some people are just curious. from knowing my friends, i believe it's in their nature. but others think otherwise..and that's ok too.

[ShadowBoxing]

i guess some people are just curious. from knowing my friends, i believe it's in their nature. but others think otherwise..and that's ok too.That avatar is teasing me :mad: :p

[Jolie_Desastre]

That avatar is teasing me :mad: :p

isn't she lovely? :O

[ShadowBoxing]

isn't she lovely? :OIndeed

[Jolie_Desastre]

Indeed

it was shorter than the actual gif i found it from

[AndThePickles]

Dammit, I missed out on some good discussions in this thread already! :(


As far as I can see, homosexuality has to be genetic. You can't just wake up one day and say "Hmm, I think I'm going to be attracted to the same sex today". I think that at least the POTENTIAL has to be in you your entire life.

When it comes to choice, I think people have the choice to give in to those feelings of attraction or not, so in that sense I guess you could say that you "choose" to be homosexual or bisexual. My homosexual friends may not have been openly homosexual their entire lives, but I think that's because they had to go through that "questioning" stage and figure out what they wanted for themselves.

The only people I've ever seen who actually "chose" out of the blue to be bisexual are fake girls who just wanted to get attention for making out with another girl....there were a few of those types in my high school.

[Jolie_Desastre]

Dammit, I missed out on some good discussions in this thread already! :(


As far as I can see, homosexuality has to be genetic. You can't just wake up one day and say "Hmm, I think I'm going to be attracted to the same sex today". I think that at least the POTENTIAL has to be in you your entire life.

When it comes to choice, I think people have the choice to give in to those feelings of attraction or not, so in that sense I guess you could say that you "choose" to be homosexual or bisexual. My homosexual friends may not have been openly homosexual their entire lives, but I think that's because they had to go through that "questioning" stage and figure out what they wanted for themselves.

The only people I've ever seen who actually "chose" out of the blue to be bisexual are fake girls who just wanted to get attention for making out with another girl....there were a few of those types in my high school.

:up: me likey

[Trooper]

chosen...no way can god make that genetic... speaking religously and respectively that is my OPINION.. dnt flame me

[Snipershot]

i think it is a little of both and it depends on who you are

[Jolie_Desastre]

chosen...no way can god make that genetic... speaking religously and respectively that is my OPINION.. dnt flame me

you aren't gonna get flamed. don't worry. this is a discussion.

but do you think that homosexuals, everything that people say about them, everyone telling them to go to hell, do you think they would choose that?

[ScottyBBadd]

you aren't gonna get flamed. don't worry. this is a discussion.

but do you think that homosexuals, everything that people say about them, everyone telling them to go to hell, do you think they would choose that?

Why? I am not sure. I know what I like. That is a personal choice.

[Whirlysplat]

Why are men more scared of homosexuals than women?
Okay, this has baked my noodle for some time.
I have few homophobic friends.
It seems more men are homophobic than women. (For the record – NO, I am not saying MOST men are homophobic, just that MORE men are than women).
Does anyone have an educated guess as to why?

Homophobic people in general seem to judge people solely on what they do in their bedrooms with a consenting adult. I find that VERY disturbing to say the least…

By the way I feel compelled to add that I am a straight male in his late 30's in a relationship.

- Whirly

[TheSumOfGod]

Because homosexuals don't want to f*** women, that's why. Men are predators, we don't want to suddenly feel like prey. :o

[dmcnx]

Cause they can slobber up their wingwongs and pop it in at any given time:(

[My vengeance]

It is actually quite natural(I am not saying that it is necessarily right),for a heterosexual man to feel somewhat repulsed when he sees two members of the same gender(male),displaying affections for one another.Seeming as women are of the opposite sex,it would only be logical that not so many would find the act...shall we say,repugnant,terrifying.

[Whirlysplat]

Because homosexuals don't want to f*** women, that's why. Men are predators, we don't want to suddenly feel like prey. :o




I sort of agree but I think it's probably because Women, by nature during intercourse have to actually have something put inside them.

Men do not, so the idea of having it done probably freaks them out to a very high degree. To a woman, taking a penis in isn't exactly the worlds strangest thought.

- Whirly

[TheSumOfGod]

I stimulated my prostate during masturbation many times... orgasm x 10. Who knew the prostate is the male g-spot? I guess God has a sense of humor after all. ;)

[Erzengel]

I stimulated my prostate during masturbation many times... orgasm x 10. Who knew the prostate is the male g-spot? I guess God has a sense of humor after all. ;)

You really need a girlfriend.

[TheSumOfGod]

You really need a girlfriend.

I HAVE a girlfriend (AND a boyfriend). But that doesn't stop me from wanking off from time to time. :o

[Zaphod]

I can safely say that I am far more weary of women than I am of a homosexual male. For one thing, I have low confidence in meeting a women I dont already know, in any conceivable way that relates to sex or a sexual attraction. The fact that a homosexual male doesn't bother me is because I dont suddenly jump to conclusions about their interest in me sexually, as soon as I meet one. Not every man who is gay wants to have sex with you, even if you'd like to think yourself damn irresistable to every one male or female, the fact is their decision of preferance in relations aren't to dissamilar to the pattern of a women's, sure they look for differenr things, but the likelihood of being 'preyed' upon by a gay man anymore so than being preyed upon by a straight women are more or less the same, to beleive otherwise is ridicolous.

[TOADMAN]

Because the peepee goes in the booboo. :(

[jaguarr]

In my experience, most guys who are extremely homophobic have also bought into every single stereotype they've ever heard about homosexuality. They're also usually pretty insecure with their own sexualty and may feel threatened by something that, deep down, they know they don't really understand very well and could possibly even be themselves since they've never really fully explored those aspects of their own psyche's to be absolutely sure of their own sexual preferences. I think is why so many men get deeply offended when they get hit on by another guy. I've been hit on by guys, before. It's flattering, I guess, but it's not how I'm bent so why take offense to it? Is it so bad that another human being found you attractive? This is a running joke with some of my gay friends who like to tell me I'm "hot" because they know that I'll tell them "Thanks, but you're still never getting any of me.", which cracks them up. This country is so hung up on sexuality, to the point that it's crippling. It's actually very sad.

jag

[Strange]

I don't think I have ever met anyone who was scared of homosexuals. I have met many that did not approve or condone that specific sexual preference but non that were scared of them.

[TheSumOfGod]

As someone who is 99% hetero and only 1% bi, I must say that there IS a "gay agenda", of sorts. It's main points are: being happy, and DANCING! ;) :D

[Herr Logan]

I can safely say that I am far more weary of women than I am of a homosexual male. For one thing, I have low confidence in meeting a women I dont already know, in any conceivable way that relates to sex or a sexual attraction. The fact that a homosexual male doesn't bother me is because I dont suddenly jump to conclusions about their interest in me sexually, as soon as I meet one. Not every man who is gay wants to have sex with you, even if you'd like to think yourself damn irresistable to every one male or female, the fact is their decision of preferance in relations aren't to dissamilar to the pattern of a women's, sure they look for differenr things, but the likelihood of being 'preyed' upon by a gay man anymore so than being preyed upon by a straight women are more or less the same, to beleive otherwise is ridicolous.

That's not strictly true. Men are more aggressive and prone to violence (especially sexually related violence) than women.

That doesn't mean homosexuals are any more likely to prey on anyone than heterosexuals do, though. The general thing to remember is that men are pigs. If I had gay friends (and I don't only because I have very few people I consider friends-- deliberately, for the sake of minimizing personal vulnerabilities, of course-- and the population ratios between homosexuals and heterosexuals is extremely uneven), and they weren't strong or very able to defend themselves, I'd be almost as wary of them getting attacked by scumbags who only think of themselves as I would female friends (of which I also currently have none, aside from my fiancee).

Then again, I'm paranoid from having read far too much about sexual assault and the psychopathology of those who commit those crimes. None of the major subjects of my reading have been homosexual (although they are mostly high profile cases and don't necessarily represent the majority). Most men have no good reason to fear homosexuals unless they happen to be in a population full of potentially violent people (like prison, although most men who rape in prison aren't homosexual, they're just rapists taking their easy opportunities).

Fearing all men is wise, to some degree. Homophobes, however, are cowards, plain and simple.

:wolverine

[CapBeerCino]

If guys arent scared of seeing two girls together why should gals be scared of seeing two guys together?

[TheSumOfGod]

If guys arent scared of seeing two girls together why should gals be scared of seeing two guys together?

Because girls are hot. And they might let you join in. ;)

[CapBeerCino]

Because girls are hot. And they might let you join in. ;)

I beg to differ, Guys are hot :o

[Demon Within]

As someone who is 99% hetero and only 1% bi, I must say that there IS a "gay agenda", of sorts. It's main points are: being happy, and DANCING! ;) :D

!% how the F can you be 1%? you either have sex with men or you dont....you like being with men or you dont....1%.....stupidity....

[Herr Logan]

In my experience, most guys who are extremely homophobic have also bought into every single stereotype they've ever heard about homosexuality. They're also usually pretty insecure with their own sexualty and may feel threatened by something that, deep down, they know they don't really understand very well and could possibly even be themselves since they've never really fully explored those aspects of their own psyche's to be absolutely sure of their own sexual preferences. I think is why so many men get deeply offended when they get hit on by another guy. I've been hit on by guys, before. It's flattering, I guess, but it's not how I'm bent so why take offense to it? Is it so bad that another human being found you attractive? This is a running joke with some of my gay friends who like to tell me I'm "hot" because they know that I'll tell them "Thanks, but you're still never getting any of me.", which cracks them up. This country is so hung up on sexuality, to the point that it's crippling. It's actually very sad.

jag

I'm guessing that guys who gay men hit on feel like the attention is implying that they themselves come off as gay. I can understand not wanting to be confused for a gay man, considering all the troglodtyes in the world that automatically act hostile and derisive toward homosexuals. That kind of thing stays with you if you grew up in schools where derogatory names for gays were tossed around as weapons. That's still absolutely no excuse to act rudely or with hostility when a gay person hits on a straight person.

Well, no more rudely than one normally would. It's okay to say "You dare address me, you filthy plebeian," if you usually say that to everyone who talks to you or enters in your field of vision unbidden. :o

:wolverine

[CapBeerCino]

^ how come youre never on the x-men board?

[Herr Logan]

!% how the F can you be 1%? you either have sex with men or you dont....you like being with men or you dont....1%.....stupidity....

His boyfriend must only get 1% of his romantic attention, as in 1% of the time Sum spends being affectionate or intimate.

That's a raw deal, Sum. You don't play people like that. :(

:wolverine

[TheSumOfGod]

!% how the F can you be 1%? you either have sex with men or you dont....you like being with men or you dont....1%.....stupidity....

I had sex with a guy once. For the experience. And we're still the best of friends. And I find Johnny Depp very attractive. But at least 99% of the people I find attractive are women.

[Herr Logan]

^ how come youre never on the x-men board?

Who, me?

I'm rarely on any movie boards and when I am on comic book boards, the X-Men are too much of a mess now to even discuss.

:wolverine

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Because homosexuals don't want to f*** women, that's why. Men are predators, we don't want to suddenly feel like prey. :o

That, and men are afraid to be labeled gay by association. Men are very afraid of being labeled gay.

[jaguarr]

I'm guessing that guys who gay men hit on feel like the attention is implying that they themselves come off as gay. I can understand not wanting to be confused for a gay man, considering all the troglodtyes in the world that automatically act hostile and derisive toward homosexuals. That kind of thing stays with you if you grew up in schools where derogatory names for gays were tossed around as weapons. That's still absolutely no excuse to act rudely or with hostility when a gay person hits on a straight person.

Well, no more rudely than one normally would. It's okay to say "You dare address me, you filthy plebeian," if you usually say that to everyone who talks to you or enters in your field of vision unbidden. :o

:wolverine

True, there is that factor. What most people don't really realize, though, is that some gay guys will hit on straight guys even if they know they're straight just to see what might happen because they never know when they'll come across someone who's looking to experiment or has been curious. Sure that's predatory as hell, but I do know gay guys (and lesbians for that matter) that do it. Some do it BECAUSE they know it will make someone uncomfortable, too, which is brazen since there's always the threat of being assaulted for it, but it doesn't happen too often when they do it, surprisingly enough. The point is, that there are gay people who respect everyone's space and personal leanings and there are those that like to be more interactive with the people who would prefer they wouldn't just to push their buttons. Just like heterosexuals.

jag

[TheSumOfGod]

That, and men are afraid to be labeled gay by association. Men are very afraid of being labeled gay.

I'm gay. There. I'm the gayest gay of the gays. Gay gay gay. :rolleyes:

Except that I'm not. ;)

[CapBeerCino]

Who, me?

I'm rarely on any movie boards and when I am on comic book boards, the X-Men are too much of a mess now to even discuss.

:wolverine

Not hyped about x-3?

[PLAS]

everyone is right on what they're saying, but the truth of the matter ir very simple:

many men don't like the idea of something they've always considered to be an exit to be used as an entrance

[Jolie_Desastre]

most men are afraid of their own sexuality. well most of them. they don't except it because they think they might be gay. i for one and others are very comfortable with their sexuality enough to say that oh this woman is gorgeous or hey that is a good looking guy because i know and they know that they are straight :o

[Herr Logan]

That, and men are afraid to be labeled gay by association. Men are very afraid of being labeled gay.

Someone said what I said, but more succinctly. Why is this not a surprise? :O

True, there is that factor. What most people don't really realize, though, is that some gay guys will hit on straight guys even if they know they're straight just to see what might happen because they never know when they'll come across someone who's looking to experiment or has been curious. Sure that's predatory as hell, but I do know gay guys (and lesbians for that matter) that do it. Some do it BECAUSE they know it will make someone uncomfortable, too, which is brazen since there's always the threat of being assaulted for it, but it doesn't happen too often when they do it, surprisingly enough. The point is, that there are gay people who respect everyone's space and personal leanings and there are those that like to be more interactive with the people who would prefer they wouldn't just to push their buttons. Just like heterosexuals.jag

Good points. I think people who hit on others in order to make them uncomfortable are jerks, though, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. Hell, I'm uncomfortable just talking to people normally.

A gay waiter flirted with me once while I was having dinner with my girlfriend (he commented on my cologne). I don't think he was trying to make me uncomfortable though, even with my woman there. I was much more comfortable then than when the time a female waiter flirted with me when my family and girlfriend were there (she probably couldn't tell if anyone there was my lover, since everyone in our party was a brunette), because when it was a guy, I knew I didn't run the risk of flirting back in front of my girlfriend. I'm a flirty guy sometimes. It's not good to "be yourself" in the wrong situation.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Not hyped about x-3?

I'm not hyped about any upcoming superhero movie. I'm pretty convinced even the sequel to 'Batman Begins' is going to be a disappointment.

:wolverine

[jaguarr]

many men don't like the idea of something they've always considered to be an exit to be used as an entrance

That really doesn't have much to do with whether someone is gay or not, man. There are plenty of straight men who enjoy anal sex with their wives or girlfriends, or even in masturbatory instances. For that matter, there are plenty of gay men who never have anal sex at all because they find it a turnoff.

jag

[jaguarr]

Good points. I think people who hit on others in order to make them uncomfortable are jerks, though, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.


I don't disagree with you on that point, whatsoever. It's obnoxious.

jag

[Demon Within]

I had sex with a guy once. For the experience. And we're still the best of friends. And I find Johnny Depp very attractive. But at least 99% of the people I find attractive are women.

if 99/100 of the people you find attractive are women and 1 is a man then your still bi...there is no percentile with this lol. Theres no 50/50...25/75 there is "is/is not" your an is not a is 10% of the time. Not against gays but not for hearing there stories either. I know the reponse that coming for this post.

[sinewave]

anyone ever watch da ali g show? i love it when the gay character, bruno, interviews guys and makes them really uncomfortable and sometimes angry just by making passes at them or acting really flaming. that always cracked me up.

[deemar325]

It is actually quite natural(I am not saying that it is necessarily right),for a heterosexual man to feel somewhat repulsed when he sees two members of the same gender(male),displaying affections for one another.Seeming as women are of the opposite sex,it would only be logical that not so many would find the act...shall we say,repugnant,terrifying.

My thoughts exactly.

[Noon]

I sort of agree but I think it's probably because Women, by nature during intercourse have to actually have something put inside them.

Men do not, so the idea of having it done probably freaks them out to a very high degree. To a woman, taking a penis in isn't exactly the worlds strangest thought.

- Whirly

Why did you start this thread, you answered your own question. Who are you and why do you keep starting these threads?!?

rawr

[Whirlysplat]

Why did you start this thread, you answered your own question.
rawr

to see if others agreed.

Who are you and why do you keep starting these threads?!?

rawr

I am an individual

Why do you keep starting these threads?!?

rawr

to elicit discussion

- Whirly

[Noon]

I find the fact you quoted me three times quite frightening.

I am merely trying to adress the fact that you have joined a superhero forum and in the short time you have been a member you have started numerous threads, all of them with what might be interesting topics to discuss, but the amount of them in such a short space of time is suspicious.

[Grimm Reaper]

Not sure if it's been said, since I'm a lazy arse and don't want to read, but most homophobes are just probably insecure and probably in denial of their homosexuality. Sort of like that glory hole rat trap guy in the fifth season of The Shield.

[Whirlysplat]

I find the fact you quoted me three times quite frightening.

I am merely trying to adress the fact that you have joined a superhero forum and in the short time you have been a member you have started numerous threads, all of them with what might be interesting topics to discuss, but the amount of them in such a short space of time is suspicious.

What do you think I am up to Noon and please don't be frightened, I am benign. What are my sinister plans for this forum? Trust me, i'm not up to anything. I may have just got a little bit carried away. :) Thank you for the comment about the topics being interesting though, I have lots more.

- Whirly

[Noon]

What do you think I am up to Noon and please don't be frightened, I am benign. What are my sinister plans for this forum? Trust me, i'm not up to anything. I may have just got a little bit carried away. :)

- Whirly

Your enthusiasm is foreign in this place, try to spread it out over a little more time.

Hmmm, how can I make some sexual innuendo out of this.... :p

[Whirlysplat]

Your enthusiasm is foreign in this place, try to spread it out over a little more time.

Hmmm, how can I make some sexual innuendo out of this.... :P

:p works I think ;)

- Whirly

[Noon]

:p works I think ;)

- Whirly

Indeed, whirly, you are a sinister being...

[Whirlysplat]

Indeed, whirly, you are a sinister being...

:doom:

- Whirly

[Erzengel]

As someone who is 99% hetero and only 1% bi, I must say that there IS a "gay agenda", of sorts. It's main points are: being happy, and DANCING! ;) :D

:confused: @ 99% straight and 1% bi.

Doesn't bi mean you like men and women so techincally 99.5% of the time you like women and 0.5% you like dudes?

[Whirlysplat]

anyone ever watch da ali g show? i love it when the gay character, bruno, interviews guys and makes them really uncomfortable and sometimes angry just by making passes at them or acting really flaming. that always cracked me up.

Sasha Baron Cohen is a genius. Bruno is funny but Borat is the best.

- Whirly

[jaguarr]

This thread is ruined for me, now. Before, Whirlysplat was simply nefarious but now that I know he's actually sinister I can no longer be associated with this.

jag

[sinewave]

Sasha Baron Cohen is a genius. Bruno is funny but Borat is the best.

- Whirly

no argument there.

[tzarinna]

I still get a bit creeped out when chicks hit on me. It happens infrequently, but it still bothers me. I'm not a lesbian. They seem to be quite subtle about it, they make with the eyes or some kind of passive aggressive move.

[Whirlysplat]

This thread is ruined for me, now. Before, Whirlysplat was simply nefarious but now that I know he's actually sinister I can no longer be associated with this.

jag

You'll be missed my friend.... ;)

- Whirly

[Calvin]

Sasha Baron Cohen is a genius. Bruno is funny but Borat is the best.

- Whirly
I can't wait for the Borat movie to hit theaters here. I've been hearing it's fantastic, unlike the Ali G movie. This time it's actually in the same format as the show for the most part, rather than being a Sandleresque movie. I really want to see the controversial rodeo show one.

[jaguarr]

You'll be missed my friend :|

- Whirly

You are dead to me, you sinister son of a ******! :mad:

jag

[jaguarr]

I can't wait for the Borat movie to hit theaters here. I've been hearing it's fantastic, unlike the Ali G movie. This time it's actually in the same format as the show for the most part, rather than being a Sandleresque movie. I really want to see the controversial rodeo show one.

I hear he's fantastic as the villainous gay racecar driver rival to Wil Ferrell in an upcoming movie. "Talladega Nights" or something like that. I've heard the character described as Borat and Bruno fused together if you can even imagine that.

jag

[Whirlysplat]

I still get a bit creeped out when chicks hit on me. It happens infrequently, but it still bothers me. I'm not a lesbian. They seem to be quite subtle about it, they make with the eyes or some kind of passive aggressive move.

Interesting, does this happen a lot.

- Whirly

[Calvin]

I hear he's fantastic as the villainous gay racecar driver rival to Wil Ferrell in an upcoming movie. "Talladega Nights" or something like that. I've heard the character described as Borat and Bruno fused together if you can even imagine that.

jag
Is there a trailer out?

edit - oh crap, I clicked on that trailer on apple.com before, saw the poster, didn't realize who that was. I thought it was a documentary on nascar and decided not to view. Viewing now. Cheers.

double edit - Just watched it. Apparently he's a frenchie :up:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7982/untitled24kw.jpg

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1904/untitled13vl.jpg

[Erzengel]

Homer: I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FLAMING

[jaguarr]

Is there a trailer out?

edit - oh crap, I clicked on that trailer on apple.com before, saw the poster, didn't realize who that was. I thought it was a documentary on nascar and decided not to view. Viewing now. Cheers.

There's a trailer over on Apple's site? Didn't know they had one out. Let me know if it's worth watching.

jag

[Calvin]

Looks alright. Didn't show much of our boy Cohen. The pictures I edited into my last post are all it really shows of him, and he only has one line "I am coming for you, Ricky Bobby" in a funny french accent.

[Whirlysplat]

That, and men are afraid to be labeled gay by association. Men are very afraid of being labeled gay.

true enough, I added I was hetero and male in the thread starter for this very reason :( I'd like to reaffirm this.

- Whirly

[tzarinna]

Interesting, does this happen a lot.

- Whirly

No, but I have to say I am very uncomfortable when it does occur. It hasn't happen in a few years.

*knocks on wood, crosses fingers*

[Calvin]

What makes you uncomfortable about it?

[jaguarr]

Looks alright. Didn't show much of our boy Cohen. The pictures I edited into my last post are all it really shows of him, and he only has one line "I am coming for you, Ricky Bobby" in a funny french accent.

I don't think I'll go out of my way to watch the trailer, then. I'll just wait for it to pop up on television or at the next flick I go to.

jag

[Calvin]

His appearance on Conan was probably the hardest I've laughed in a year. Ditto for Ali's interview with Posh and Beckam.

[Whirlysplat]

His appearance on Conan was probably the hardest I've laughed in a year. Ditto for Ali's interview with Posh and Beckam.

Have you ever seen the 11 O'clock show stuff in the US.

- Whirly

[Calvin]

A couple, I think. He wasn't as blinged out, didn't have the glasses yet, so I'm thinking it might have been the 11 o'clock show stuff.

[Whirlysplat]

A couple, I think. He wasn't as blinged out, didn't have the glasses yet, so I'm thinking it might have been the 11 o'clock show stuff.

He had the glasses sometimes but not always and yes he wasn't as blinged out. The funniest is when he met the "Tree People" as he called them. They were environmental activists it was hilarious, it was before anyone knew who he was so he caused havoc.

- Whirly

[tzarinna]

What makes you uncomfortable about it?

I get that creepy,dirty, sex vibe, I get it sometimes when dirty old men or my co-workers are checking me out. It seems malicious. It's not that I think they are going to do anything to me, I'm not helpless. It's what I'm imagining what it is they want to do to me that gives me the chills. Ewww,yuck..

[Whirlysplat]

I get that creepy,dirty, sex vibe, I get it sometimes when dirty old men or my co-workers are checking me out. It seems malicious. It's not that I think they are going to do anything to me, I'm not helpless. It's what I'm imagining what it is they want to do to me that gives me the chills. Ewww,yuck..

I'm 39 tzarinna do you have any pics? jk. ;)

- Whirly

[Calvin]

I get that creepy,dirty, sex vibe, I get it sometimes when dirty old men or my co-workers are checking me out. It seems malicious. It's not that I think they are going to do anything to me, I'm not helpless. It's what I'm imagining what it is they want to do to me that gives me the chills. Ewww,yuck..Well it sounds more like just being checked out in general creeps you out, not really homosexuals in particular.

[jaguarr]

He had the glasses sometimes but not always and yes he wasn't as blinged out. The funniest is when he met the "Tree People" as he called them. They were environmental activists it was hilarious, it was before anyone knew who he was so he caused havoc.

- Whirly

He almost needs to come up with his own version of Tony Clifton.

jag

[Whirlysplat]

He almost needs to come up with his own version of Tony Clifton.

jag

Who's Tony Clifton?

- Whirly

[Calvin]

Him messing around with anti-abortionists was pretty hilarious as well.

"Is you well anti-abortion, because you was in fact, aborted?"

[Whirlysplat]

Him messing around with anti-abortionists was pretty hilarious as well.

"Is you well anti-abortion, because you was in fact, aborted?"

"Is you the Fox" to the ugly Fox hunt girl, foloowed by "me not think so"

- Whirly

[jaguarr]

Who's Tony Clifton?

- Whirly

The alter-ego of someone that Cohen occassionally reminds me of with his escapades.

jag

[Calvin]

"What are you telling us that for? We love animals!"
"No no, in Kazakhstan we also love very much animals."
"Then why do you hunt them?!?"
"Euh, for fun."

[tzarinna]

Well it sounds more like just being checked out in general creeps you out, not really homosexuals in particular.

Yeah, I have issues with that, I kind of perfer to hit on guys then the other way around. But guys can be such pervs, I'm not as conservative on the subject as I sound.

[Whirlysplat]

The alter-ego of someone that Cohen occassionally reminds me of with his escapades.

jag

That doesn't help much I googled him and don't really recognise him. I recognise the name vaguely though.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah, I have issues with that, I kind of perfer to hit on guys then the other way around. But guys can be such pervs, I'm not as conservative on the subject as I sound.

You're quite predatory then tzar?

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

"What are you telling us that for? We love animals!"
"No no, in Kazakhstan we also love very much animals."
"Then why do you hunt them?!?"
"Euh, for fun."

"My wife..... She is dead!"

- Whirly

[Calvin]

"I had a good s**t."

"He is your slave?"

Goddamnit this movie can't get here soon enough.