Carnage too violent for this series?

[MrShifty]

Do you guys think they will put Carnage in this series? I think he might be a little too violent, keep in mind this IS a kid's show.

I think if they ever wanted to put him in it would have to be an even more toned down from the 90s series or they will wait until they can do some Direct to Tv movies and make it more mature (which I think they should do)

[IamProdigy]

People get too caught up with the fact that this is a kid's television network and that SSM is supposed to be a kid's-only series. Remember Black Cat's line, "Don't get that goop in my hair?"; if they can get lines like that passed and into the series, showing a psychotic Cletus won't be too bad...they showed him in TAS, and it worked fine, imo, so I don't see why not add in Carnage to SSM.

Just as long as it's within a GOOD story and not have him taking orders from a giant head of fire.

[xMaNiAx]

yeah he should be introduced in a direct to dvd movie, but his human counterpart should be introduced like in the TAS as madman not as a serial killer..

[Webhead2006]

Yea they could probably have cassidy show up in a later season and work it in some how he is a nut and all that, but i would rather wait to after the series for him to become carnage if they do do those mature dtd films they hope they will be able to do cause then if its a pg 13 rated thing it would work more more easily and all that. But on another note didnt Greg say somewhere he isnt a fan of carnage and we are not likely to see him show up.

[Arcturus]

Normally, threads posted about Carnage around here never end well. But I will say this.

I like Carnage. But yes, he is a much too violent character. So he will always be watered down, much like he was in TAS where he just stole a persons lifeforce for old flame head. Personally I would limit symbiote exposure only to Venom in the Spectacular Spider-Man, because really, I want them to focus on this character. Because I really don't want Venom overused again like in the comics, he works better in small doses. After all, Carnage was created to battle the "Lethal Protector". And at this moment in time, we don't know if Venom will be a villain, or anti-hero. I'm leaning towards villain.

Don't even get me started on the the skittle symbiotes from lethal protector, Hybrid, Toxin and those Venom clones. All unnecessary rip-offs of the original Venom. Like I said, limit it only to Venom. I feel things will be better that way.

[Venom 1988]

If Carnage must appear, save him for the straight to DVDs.

[Sarcastic Fan]

I don't like Carnage, so I'm hoping he doesn't appear. That being said, Carnage was created to make Venom look good and pave the way for lethal protector. If Venom remains a villain, and I suspect he will, there is no need for Carnage.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think he could work in this show even without the blood. That is if he is actually in the show though.

[xMaNiAx]

Normally, threads posted about Carnage around here never end well. But I will say this.

I like Carnage. But yes, he is a much too violent character. So he will always be watered down, much like he was in TAS where he just stole a persons lifeforce for old flame head. Personally I would limit symbiote exposure only to Venom in the Spectacular Spider-Man, because really, I want them to focus on this character. Because I really don't want Venom overused again like in the comics, he works better in small doses. After all, Carnage was created to battle the "Lethal Protector". And at this moment in time, we don't know if Venom will be a villain, or anti-hero. I'm leaning towards villain.

Don't even get me started on the the skittle symbiotes from lethal protector, Hybrid, Toxin and those Venom clones. All unnecessary rip-offs of the original Venom. Like I said, limit it only to Venom. I feel things will be better that way.

i feel ya dude..:woot:

[Farren]

Yeah I think they could get away with Carnage. He would have to be toned-down though - to the point where it just might not be worth including him.

[spida-man]

DTDVD would be great for Carnage so that they can get away with him being violent.

and if u don't like carnage well...
"Listen all you fools...don't u know that CARNAGE RULES..
Told you once I won't tell you twice

hear my plea and pay my price"

awesome song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuFTX3W416g

[DACrowe]

Carnage defines comics in the mid-to-late 1990s for the most part: Visually stunning...and shallow, vapid, poorly written and gratuitously violent.

So my answer is an obvious no. :p

[spida-man]

Carnage defines comics in the mid-to-late 1990s for the most part: Visually stunning...and shallow, vapid, poorly written and gratuitously violent.

So my answer is an obvious no. :p
and my reply is:
watch music video in previous post :)

[Styleshift]

Pros and Cons.

Pros:
Carnage is not someone Spidey can combat alone. this would give an opportunity to assemble a team of heroes to fight alongside Spidey.

This could give us a moment to see Peter and Eddie work together again. (they were initially friends in the series.)

Cons: Carnage doesn't have an interesting background. he's just a one trick pony. kill kill kill.

Even though this show is allowed to do MUCH more than Spidey T.A.S. Carnage would STILL have to be watered down.

A DTD of carnage wouldn't have that much of a strong plot behind it. (big bad guy comes, kills people and stuff. Spidey ends up in a team. they beat carnage.) and we would miss out on stories like the death of gwen stacy. or The death of jean dewolfe (which i think would make for a GREAT DTD) and maaaan i wish they could do nothing can stop the juggernaut in a different way. i would love to see that on screen. but yes i know about the legal reasons...

Soooo i say don't get your hopes up for carnage.

[Venom 1988]

and my reply is:
watch music video in previous post :)

But DACrowe is right and if anything that video supports his view

[spider-neil]

carnage shouldn't show up till at least season three (if at all). how much symbiotes do people actually need to see?!

[Jick09]

they have so many good ideas...that I think they can pull something for Carnage in this series.
even if it's just for one episode. Cletus gets the symbiote, fights Spidey, Spidey lose. Spidey find help, Spidey fight again and Carnage is ultimately defeated.
there won't be too much time to show Carnage killing. we could just see he causing a havok in the city. it would be more about him fighting Spidey.

[spida-man]

But DACrowe is right and if anything that video supports his view
lol

[Spiderine]

If Carnage must appear, save him for the straight to DVDs.
Yes, if they are to do him justice they should wait for the DVDs.

[IamProdigy]

and my reply is:
watch music video in previous post :)


That video sucked...I would rather see Carnage do the Soulja Boy/Superman Dance instead, haha.

But, I would love to see Carnage in SSM; just to see how he would look, and to see a Spidey/Venom team-up against Carnage, but we will probably find out if Carnage might be used on how "Nature vs. Nurture" ends...if the symbiote is taken back to space, there could be a chance we might get the spawn of Venom; if the symbiote is taken back to Dr. Connors lab, then they might just stick with Venom as the only symbiote villain.

[spida-man]

That video sucked...I would rather see Carnage do the Soulja Boy/Superman Dance instead, haha.

But, I would love to see Carnage in SSM; just to see how he would look, and to see a Spidey/Venom team-up against Carnage, but we will probably find out if Carnage might be used on how "Nature vs. Nurture" ends...if the symbiote is taken back to space, there could be a chance we might get the spawn of Venom; if the symbiote is taken back to Dr. Connors lab, then they might just stick with Venom as the only symbiote villain.
the video itself wasn't the point. it was the sung
and actually there was a better music video but i think it's gone now.

[Syncos]

Growing up in the 90s, I loved Carnage. Maximum Carnage was one of my favorite (and most frustrating) games ever. (damnit, why was there no saving?!).

I found like most fads of the 90s, that I outgrew carnage. It would be interesting to see what they would do with him in SSM. I'm sure it would be less watered down than the 90s series. but he would still have to be altered. Though with the clever writing and direction of the series, they might be able to pull it off without too much degradation.

[Parquagh]

Carnage was not that violent in 90's SM, so I think he would work here and would have amazing fights... but save him for further seasons, 3 or 4 maybe...

[Visionary]

Sadly, Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, and anything of a maturity is lost on the world outside of comics for Spider-Man. I've hated Marvel for treating Spider-Man like a Disney property for well over a decade now--outside of comics. This pertains to both cartoons and movies. For I have always said that Spider-Man is a victim of his own success. He has such great stories to tell, that can't get told, because he's treated like DarkWing Duck.

It would be great to see a Spider-Man, that isn't child-oriented, close to the source material, but not afraid to be written with maturity or violence when need be. You have to understand how much is taking away from a cartoon/movie comic book property, when you can't have the basic fundamental elements that exist in almost every comic book.

If you can get away with it with The Simpsons, Futurama, King Of The Hill, Family Guy, etc., which kids watch all the time. Not that Spidey should be as dirty or function like these toons. But just imagine the things that they (Marvel/Sony) could do in a Spidey cartoon (or movie) without watering down his stories and characters.

[Parker1989]

If they can come up with a good story and a way to introduce Cletus and have him become Carnage then they should do it.

Even if he isn't the murderous Carnage from the comics, they can still show how crazy he is. I have my own idea of how to introduce him into the series if anyone wants to hear it.

[Webhead2006]

might as well go ahead parker lets hear your thoughts.

[Parker1989]

I agree with waiting to introduce Carnage in season 3, but have him appear in the 2nd season as Cletus and do what season 1 did with Flint and Alex, we see him doing these crimes that could set up how crazy he is. (like have him hijacking a bus and threatening to crash it into a school) Spidey catches him and brings him to the cops and he's sent to the mental hospital where Eddie is.

In season 3 would see the suit which has been removed from Eddie and is being held in Connor's lab escapes and goes to the hospital where it reattaches to Eddie, Venom will basically trash his cell to get out and end up injuring Cletus with a cut.

Cletus stupidly attacks him and yanks a piece of the symbiote off, Venom throws him and he's knocked out, the piece that he yanked off starts moving and inserts his way into Cletus' body through the cuts he recieved when Venom escaped and it bonds with his blood and drives him even more insane then he was before thus creating Carnage.

I know its not that great and it has some flaws, and they probably wouldn't have a character bleed, but thats what I would want to see.

[MikeFrost]

Just a thing: What's with the symbiote+blood Carnage? The symbiote is just red and black it has nothing to do with Cletus blood except for the fact that later on the symbiote fuses with his bloodstream to show that the bond is complete.

[Beanjuice]

In my opinion carnage worked for the older series because while it was a children's show,it was directed towards a bit of an older audience as well. in this new day and age TV may get away with more things,but when it comes ot children shows and cartoons not so much. Would i like ot see Carnage? yes, Is it a good idea? not all. he is too dark and too violent of a character to be on saturday morning cartoons

[Sarcastic Fan]

In my opinion carnage worked for the older series because while it was a children's show,it was directed towards a bit of an older audience as well. in this new day and age TV may get away with more things,but when it comes ot children shows and cartoons not so much. Would i like ot see Carnage? yes, Is it a good idea? not all. he is too dark and too violent of a character to be on saturday morning cartoons

Actually, this show has gotten away with a lot more than the Fox show.

[Parker1989]

Just a thing: What's with the symbiote+blood Carnage? The symbiote is just red and black it has nothing to do with Cletus blood except for the fact that later on the symbiote fuses with his bloodstream to show that the bond is complete.

I figure just have them completely and fully bond the first time.

[Stevens25]

I don't like Carnage, so I'm hoping he doesn't appear. That being said, Carnage was created to make Venom look good and pave the way for lethal protector. If Venom remains a villain, and I suspect he will, there is no need for Carnage.

I think Carnage is ok,but I agree. Venom should remain a villain.

[Webzpinner]

Carnage should never appear in ANY medium ever again. He is a horrible character. Poorly written, poorly conceived, and I wish people would stop calling him a serial killer, since he does not fit the profile of any serial killers. He's just a lame nutjob.

Spectacular Spider-Man is doing a fine enough job without having to include the character that was the worse thing to appear in comics in decades. The day day they introduce Carnage in the series is the day the show jumped the shark.

I'd sooner live thru another 12 months of Hillary and Obama trash talking each other than deal with Carnage.

I'd sooner have "Michael Bay Makes Great Films" tattooed on my left butt cheek than see Carnage in a cartoon again.

I'd rather be deep fried in trans-fats and fed to Harry Knowles than be subjected to Carnage...

I think you get the picture now.

Cheerio!

[Webzpinner]

Just a thing: What's with the symbiote+blood Carnage? The symbiote is just red and black it has nothing to do with Cletus blood except for the fact that later on the symbiote fuses with his bloodstream to show that the bond is complete.

I figure just have them completely and fully bond the first time.

Doesn't matter anyway. They basically retconned that in the comics when Venom "ate" the Carnage symbiote. Somehow, Cletus got one in the "Negative Zone" which looks just like the original, but Carnage was ripped apart in zero gravity shortly afterwards, so who knows what happened... Just another chapter in the life of a crappy character.

[Webhead2006]

Well with them borrowing aspects from ultimate they could just make carnage be a mindless killing monster created by dna and the symboite mixed together.

[MikeFrost]

Well with them borrowing aspects from ultimate they could just make carnage be a mindless killing monster created by dna and the symboite mixed together.

I didn't really liked that story tho. Altho that's what the 616 Carnage is anyway: a mindless killing monster. But I think it need Cletus to be actually scary. Needs a psycotic and murderous tone rather than being just a monster.

On the character, I would prefer it to be a straight to DVD and it would be quite cool if it followed the Maximum Carnage story having Spidey and Venom teaming up (but in the end still having Venom being a villain).

Poorly written, poorly conceived, and I wish people would stop calling him a serial killer, since he does not fit the profile of any serial killers. He's just a lame nutjob.


Bias to the max.. Btw I suggest you look up Serial Killer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer). You clearly don't know what it is and saying he doesn't fit the profile of any serials killers is just dumbing it down.. You wanna compare him to the known ones tho you can't. Serial Killers aren't suposed to be something fashionable or "in". Everybody is different.

[Webhead2006]

yea ultimate carnage was a little silly cool concept though. I totally agree it would be better to wait for carnage to be dtd so he wouldnt have to be watered down alot, same goes death of gwen stacy, and sin eater/death of jean dewolfe would be great to see. Man i kinda would love if marvel would do a cool direct to dvd spidey animated movie like doctor strange, iron man, ultimate avengers 1/2, and the upcoming avengers next.

[Webhead2006]

yea ultimate carnage was a little silly cool concept though. I totally agree it would be better to wait for carnage to be dtd so he wouldnt have to be watered down alot, same goes death of gwen stacy, and sin eater/death of jean dewolfe would be great to see. Man i kinda would love if marvel would do a cool direct to dvd spidey animated movie like doctor strange, iron man, ultimate avengers 1/2, and the upcoming avengers next.

[Styleshift]

I'm not trying to criticize anyone...
because I used to like carnage as well...

but once I got older I realized Carnage is just a big facade.
here's a comparison...
take away his powers and no one cares about Cletus, he's just a big crazy loser. no one cared about Cletus or whats going on. they cared about the powers and the suit more than anything else...(cmon admit it)

take away venom's powers and even now while the story telling in asm isn't that great eddie STILL holds a strong presence and its been a couple of years SINCE he hasn't been venom.


Maybe I'm the only one that feels they shouldn't waste there time doing carnage...
I mean I'd rather them do the sin eater or the night gwen stacy died. those villians maybe never outmatched peter so physically he ran for help to one of his greatest enemies... but to this day those stories still shadow the characters history and that makes them all epic.

[MikeFrost]

That's the concept of the symbiotes Styleshift. Take away one element and they dont work out. They only pose a threath and are cool when as a pair (Venom more than Carnage).

I like Carnage not because of his story but because of the thread he poses as a super villain. The guys a crazy mofo that enjoys killing for the sake of it, give him a symbiote and he is overkill.

[Styleshift]

That's the concept of the symbiotes Styleshift. Take away one element and they dont work out. They only pose a threath and are cool when as a pair (Venom more than Carnage).

I like Carnage not because of his story but because of the thread he poses as a super villain. The guys a crazy mofo that enjoys killing for the sake of it, give him a symbiote and he is overkill.

weeell Not exactly Mike. :yay:
Take away Eddie's Symbiote and you still care about whats going on with him. especially if you know whats going on in the comics with him right now. :csad:
He's not just a mindless killer, he DOES have a background AND he has purpose even if it is tired.

take away toxin's powers and you still care about the cop behind him because of his character development.

take away carnage and you have a weak psychopath that could be taken out by antman....maybe. (ok low blow) heck half the people on this board don't even know what the sentry did to him (or even who the sentry is. lol)

Carnage is not even someone Spidey can handle on his own. and he's never had a real victory against Spidey. (in terms of reflecting on the character now) I would love to see a team up but at this point you've got to admit translating him into a DTD would probably be a bad move since he's a one dimensional character. they can't do much with him without pissing off fans of carnage.

I do wish that they would round his character out in the comics more.
more than anything else he's been subjected to bad story telling.

[storyteller]

If you really think carnage would be portrayed somewhat like he is in a direct to video, your wrong. Unless this vid was from marvel i guess, but as an offshoot of spectacular spiderman i strongly doubt it. Carnage is a B list villan whose claim to fame is that he has a symbiote and can take on venom. Remove venom from the equation and hes just another strong guy.

[Styleshift]

If you really think carnage would be portrayed somewhat like he is in a direct to video, your wrong. Unless this vid was from marvel i guess, but as an offshoot of spectacular spiderman i strongly doubt it. Carnage is a B list villan whose claim to fame is that he has a symbiote and can take on venom. Remove venom from the equation and hes just another strong guy.

Exactly...to put it plainly carnage is just a loser with a loaded gun. :cwink:

[SFII]

i have all faith that the writers of this show will come up with a suitable and satisfying way of telling the story of Carnage for us.

[Webzpinner]

Bias to the max.. Btw I suggest you look up Serial Killer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer). You clearly don't know what it is and saying he doesn't fit the profile of any serials killers is just dumbing it down.. You wanna compare him to the known ones tho you can't. Serial Killers aren't suposed to be something fashionable or "in". Everybody is different.

I don't need wikipedia. I studied abnormal and criminal psychology in college. I'm very familiar with the various serial killers. There's a reason there is a series of criteria used to determine serial killers used in the FBI, because it is ACCURATE.

Cletus Kassidy, even before becoming Carnage, did not fit the serial killer profile. He fell more towards a Charles Manson ideological mass murderer. Serial killers are about sex and domination. There is a cool down period between kills. Trophies are collected. Carnage did none of those things.

I never said serial killers are fashionable, so I have no idea what that ramble is about.

Carnage was just created to expoit Venom's appeal in the 90's and take it one step further, just to sell gory, poorly written comics. That's all. In the pantheon of Super Villains, Carnage is below Paste Pot Pete in my book.

[Webhead2006]

Yea personally it would be nice if we just stick with venom for the series, we dont really need to see all the rainbow colors of symboites pop up. We will just have to wait and see if SSM crew wants to do other symboites or not. If they do they will probably come up with a good story and background on cassidy if they use him.

[Anwar]

Carnage isn't too violent for this series, he's too worthless for this series.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Carnage isn't too violent for this series, he's too worthless for this series.

Quoted for truth!

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Carnage isn't too violent for this series, he's too worthless for this series.

Truth. Carnage is a one trick pony. After his appearance in ASM #361-363, that should have been the last we saw of him. Maximum Carnage just ran in circles for 14 issues. I'd rather see Cardiac show up than Carnage. No disrespect to Cardiac.

[Spiderine]

It should be Venom's stage for at least a few seasons before any other sym ever show up.

[Spiderine]

Ther are far too many other stories and villains to do first. I need more episodes featuring Doc Ock and Green Goblin along with other notable villains we have seen in season one before Carnage is ever even mentioned.

[Styleshift]

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[Lizard]

He made it into the 90's animated series, did he not?

[Sarcastic Fan]

He made it into the 90's animated series, did he not?

As was previously said, it's not that he's too violent. He's too worthless.

[Joker]

He made it into the 90's animated series, did he not?

But they toned him down and changed his style. He was a life energy drainer. He just sucked life energy out of people.
He wasn't the Carnage of the comic books chopping people up with his axe and knife shaped symbiote spikes.

[Styleshift]

But they toned him down and changed his style. He was a life energy drainer. He just sucked life energy out of people.
He wasn't the Carnage of the comic books chopping people up with his axe and knife shaped symbiote spikes.

Exactly what I was saying...they can change him to fit the show....but than you'll have fan out cry.

and these guys have done VERY well so far by sticking to the source material.

and when they change things it only BENEFITS the characters, because everyone is well rounded.

Carnage's powers are too violent to be completely faithful, (every attack would have to either miss or be dodged from him)

and like i said earlier...he's just a loser with a loaded gun. there's nothing about Cletus that is interesting story wise that could fit in this show. I wouldn't be surprise if he showed up in an easter egg. but if weisman is smart. (and i KNOW he is, i love all of his work)
than he will stay far far far far away from carnage.

[Grievous]

they did him in TAS they can do it in SSM too.

[Webhead2006]

Yea they did do him in TAS but as others have stated he was seriously toned down and was a crummy take on the character. Yes SSM could probably come up with a good way to have him but who knows if we will see him or any other symboites in the show. As i said in a post earlier in the thread i think i heard greg say in an interview or somewhere he doesnt care much for the character and doubtful we will see him appear. But i am not to sure on that.

[Syncos]

they did him in TAS they can do it in SSM too.

Yes. Carnage was in the 90s series. Of course he was. He epitomizes everything that is the 90s. He was a weak sauce knockoff of a shallow characters. Carnage has one claim to fame, and without ultraviolence, he's nothing.

[Styleshift]

they did him in TAS they can do it in SSM too.

Of course SSM can get away with more...
but look what your asking for.

a simple mass murderer that fell into some deadly powers.
he has the ability to form his body into any weapon type he desires (If i remember right.)

when you look at this you gotta realize that THAT'S what you love about the character....and that if they change him up to be less threatening or less formidable you'd be really disappointed...right? I know I would if my fav. villian were dumb downed...or altered so i don't even see what i loved about him/her in the first place.

you can point out that theres always the chance for a DTD.
but why would a writer like weisman go for a bloodbath straight violence storyline instead of going to the drama filled type stuff he usually writes?

(love the Avatar by the way. :up::up:)

[CaptainStacy]

I think he could work in this show even without the blood. That is if he is actually in the show though.

Agreed.

[Webzpinner]

All the good villains have a relationship with the hero. Not always in personal sense, but in a way, they show an aspect of that hero.
Doc Ock: arrogant and brainy but evil
Lizard: try to play God, it will come back to haunt you
Electro: great power, poor judgement
Venom: After losing that which is most important to him, instead of using spider-powers to help others, he focuses only on his own selfish anger and rage, to "get even".

Carnage doesn't really fit. Back during the brainstorming period of creating Carnage, the Marvel guys thought Carnage would be "Venom without the morality" but they didn't write him that way. They wrote him as a lunatic with only a body count tally and "witty" pop culture spoutings. Not only that, be he was written even more sloppily any of the post-McFarlane Venom stories. They shot the character in the foot before he even made it thru his first arc.

I hope the series ends with the same high quality it's shown since the first episode, and not teeter down to crapville like the 90's cartoon did. The 3rd season episodes were some of the most horribly thrown together junk ever made. The Carnage episodes were lame, and the Secret Wars was a total joke. The finale with "Spider-Carnage" made my skin crawl (and not in that good, symbiote posessed kind of way).

I'm all for Venom popping up throughout the seasons as a reminder to Peter that no matter what he tries to do, someone close to him always get hurt. Venom in this cartoon functions similarly to Two Face in the Batman cartoons and comics. Good friend turned enemy.

[Dr.SpiderPigAKI]

i think carnage is great just to much, i would love too see some concept art for him though

[Spiderine]

Why don't we just bring in Toxin and the rest of the symbiote gang.

[Grievous]

Why don't we just bring in Toxin and the rest of the symbiote gang.
true, this show is using alot of characters you don't see often. just look at the season 2 list of villians.

[xMaNiAx]

true, this show is using alot of characters you don't see often. just look at the season 2 list of villians.

especially molten man i want to see how they animate him...:yay:

[Spider-ManHero12]

true, this show is using alot of characters you don't see often. just look at the season 2 list of villians. Indeed, but Toxin? Hybrid? etc. Toxin was pretty cool, but I just don't think he'll be in this show. I mean, the creators are trying to stay as close as possible to the early days of the comics.

[hpwiz89]

Well for him to be done correctly it can only be in the direct to DVD.

[xMaNiAx]

yeah do like all the symbiote stories on one direct to video release

[Spiderine]

especially molten man i want to see how they animate him...:yay:Can't wait to see Molty.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Why don't we just bring in Toxin and the rest of the symbiote gang.

Including those guys from the Venom: Lethal Protector series? That's a lot of symbiotes. :wow:

[Venom 1988]

yeah do like all the symbiote stories on one direct to video release

*suffocates self*

[Silver Spider]

I don't think Carnage should appear in this series, and if he does I want it to be in like the 5th season. I love Venom, but his little knock-offs are pretty dull. Carnage and Toxin are the only other symbiote characters, that I tolerate. The others, I care so little about, that I don't even remember their names.

[Styleshift]

I don't think Carnage should appear in this series, and if he does I want it to be in like the 5th season. I love Venom, but his little knock-offs are pretty dull. Carnage and Toxin are the only other symbiote characters, that I tolerate. The others, I care so little about, that I don't even remember their names.

For some reason...
I knew I liked you from the Web of shadows thread for some reason...lol. :word:

[Grievous]

Indeed, but Toxin? Hybrid? etc. Toxin was pretty cool, but I just don't think he'll be in this show. I mean, the creators are trying to stay as close as possible to the early days of the comics.
I know but if this show has as many seasons as TAS then after they get done with the classic villians I would think it would be a good idea to bring in some more symbiotes.

[Webhead2006]

Yea personally i would like them to wait to a later season to bring in any other symboites if they bring in any others at all. We need to see venom be a big threat to spidey all on his own and all that. And yea i agree too we need to have more of the classic 60s/70s guys get in this before more modern foes are added.

[lou2099]

But they toned him down and changed his style. He was a life energy drainer. He just sucked life energy out of people.
He wasn't the Carnage of the comic books chopping people up with his axe and knife shaped symbiote spikes.You took the description right out of my brain. They really had potential with that animated Carnage, because he looked and sounded terrific. For some unknown reason, while still under the thumb of Fox Kids and their watered-down standards, he was still used as a character.

They could use him for SSM if they are a teensy bit more explicit as to who Cletus Kasady was, and what Carnage can do. But I hope they don't use him at all.

[spida-man]

I would like to see Carnage personally i fell that thinking carnage is too violent for this series would be like saying Black Cat is too sexy for this series. With all that they have been able to do so far i don't see why they wouldn't/shouldn't be able to include Carnage

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very true, however, in the comics, Carnage really killed people in a very violent way. Carnage, Shriek, Doppleganger, and Demogoblin were killing people left and right in the Maximum Carnage story. However, Carnage can work by maybe having off screen deaths or something.

[Styl3s]

Too violent? no, for a "kid" show it was pretty damn violent this season not to mention they can pull off more then what they were able to in the 90s back when spider-man was on fox kids, and they pulled carnage off..

dont let the "kid wb" logo fool you, you can get away with more then you think.

[Styl3s]

^^ Very true, however, in the comics, Carnage really killed people in a very violent way. Carnage, Shriek, Doppleganger, and Demogoblin were killing people left and right in the Maximum Carnage story. However, Carnage can work by maybe having off screen deaths or something.
This isnt the comics is it? no.

TMNT was a brutal comic aimed towards adults yet they pulled off 10 seasons as a kids cartoon bringing in ultra violent characters, they pulled off carnage in the 90s with spider-man on fox kids.. they can def pull him off and have it be pretty edgy, todays standards are completely different, you can get away with alot.

[Venom75]

I like Carnage,but I don't want to see him in the series because if he shows up,then Venom will have to become the anti-hero. I don't want that. I want Venom as an evil villain. NO team ups with Spidey.:whatever:

[Spider-Man '92]

Carnage isn't too violent. He did some pretty crazy stuff in the 90s, so he could easily do it again. Still, he isn't my all time favorite villain.

[Spider-Man '92]

I like Carnage,but I don't want to see him in the series because if he shows up,then Venom will have to become the anti-hero. I don't want that. I want Venom as an evil villain. NO team ups with Spidey.:whatever:
I agree with you, buy with Peter and Eddie being "bros", there's a pretty good chance that it'll happen at some point.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree with you, buy with Peter and Eddie being "bros", there's a pretty good chance that it'll happen at some point. Maybe, but I really don't think it will. I mean, Eddie Brock seems to hate Peter in every single way.

[Grievous]

I agree with you, buy with Peter and Eddie being "bros", there's a pretty good chance that it'll happen at some point.
maybe Venom and Carnage can team up in the ep up untill the final fight were Carnage turns on Venom.

[jabbatheridge]

I agree season two's a bit early for Carnage to be making an appearance (maybe season three if at all). Carnage is kind of like Deadshot in Batman, the character only works best if he can kill, so when they've been used in animated series aimed chiefly at children, the characters have had to be watered down because of their natures. Carnage was really badly executed in the ninties animated series, although I did enjoy many of the other episodes.

A DTV with Carnage would work better, but he still couldn't be as violent as he is in the comics even with a PG13 rating.

[Spider-ManHero12]

maybe Venom and Carnage can team up in the ep up untill the final fight were Carnage turns on Venom. That would be cool, but something tells me Carnage might hate Venom from the start.

[jabbatheridge]

That would be cool, but something tells me Carnage might hate Venom from the start.

I sorta hope that's the case, because I really hated the Venom and Carnage as the symbiote brothers thing they did in Spider-Man Unlimited, but then that whole toon sucked.

I don't need to see the Green Goblin's underwear thanks.:woot:

[Styleshift]

I sorta hope that's the case, because I really hated the Venom and Carnage as the symbiote brothers thing they did in Spider-Man Unlimited, but then that whole toon sucked.

I don't need to see the Green Goblin's underwear thanks.:woot:

without the animation and Rino Romano...I probably wouldn't have liked it.
but Spider-man unlimited wasn't as bad as people made it out to be, i commend them for trying something different, since his life had already been portrayed in a series that ended maybe within a year before it started.....it had ok ratings but got slaughtered by pokemon at the time... :csad:

[Styleshift]

I see carnage as a threat for when Spidey is older.
since this series will be aging peter.

I wouldn't mind if he were brought in.
having said that of course they'd have to revamp him for the show...(i think we all can at least agree he isn't rounded enough) instead of taking a step backwards like bendis' cheap living organic vampire goop creature- cop out.

[jabbatheridge]

I've gotta admit the Carnage arc was one of the very few Ultimate Spider-Man arcs I've read that left me feeling disappointed. Normally Bendis does a good job revamping the villains for a more modern age, but I think he let himself down with Carnage. Of course the twist with Gwen Stacy was a clever one.

[Styleshift]

I've gotta admit the Carnage arc was one of the very few Ultimate Spider-Man arcs I've read that left me feeling disappointed. Normally Bendis does a good job revamping the villains for a more modern age, but I think he let himself down with Carnage. Of course the twist with Gwen Stacy was a clever one.

yeah to tell you the truth he took a step backwards with carnage.
I don't think anyone will be excited to see more of ultimate carnage.
I like how he fleshed out eddie brock though...

however I did think making peter into the 2nd ultimate carnage was VERY interesting I like how he wrapped up the eddie in control of the suit plot. (see ultimate spider-man game that was supposedly in continuity)

[jabbatheridge]

Yeah I liked what Bendis did by making Peter and Eddie childhood friends, it made the tragedy when he became Venom a bit more personal, kind of like with Bruce and Harvey before he became Two Face in Batman. It kind of makes Brock more sympathetic to the audience as well, rather than him being a rival reporter and general snake in the grass before he gets the symbiote.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I sorta hope that's the case, because I really hated the Venom and Carnage as the symbiote brothers thing they did in Spider-Man Unlimited, but then that whole toon sucked. Indeed, The two only good things about that show was Rino Romano voicing Spidey, the theme song.

[Styleshift]

Yeah I liked what Bendis did by making Peter and Eddie childhood friends, it made the tragedy when he became Venom a bit more personal, kind of like with Bruce and Harvey before he became Two Face in Batman. It kind of makes Brock more sympathetic to the audience as well, rather than him being a rival reporter and general snake in the grass before he gets the symbiote.


haha yeah but so far SSM was the only one that combined all of the major elements and hit the nail on the head. :yay:

I remember in the comics he was introduced AFTER he became Venom. lol.
it was either that or a pregnant lady that I don't think would have been in any of the cartoon or movie incarnations. lol

[jabbatheridge]

Yeah the original comics backstory for Venom was very strange. It made more sense when the 90's cartoon made him a reporter for the Daily Bugle, rather than for the Daily Globe as he originally was and even more sense when he was introduced as a childhood friend of Peter Parker's in USM.

I know some fans hate it when origins get rewritten, but I don't mind if it's so something ends up making more sense. When the first Venom story was written the writer probably didn't realise the character would prove to be as popular as he was and probably thought he was writing for a one off villain, so when the character became an essential part of the Spider-Man universe, it made sense to change things so he fits in better.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I remember in the comics he was introduced AFTER he became Venom. lol. it was either that or a pregnant lady that I don't think would have been in any of the cartoon or movie incarnations. lol Yeah, lol. :woot:

[Anwar]

I still think Ultimate Venom was still screwed up. He was a "Johnny Come Lately" wherein he's some old dear friend of Peter who was conveniently never mentioned until the Venom arc. Think of how much more sensical it would've been to introduce him at the same time as Harry and keep him around slowly poisoning him against Peter until Venom.

Hell, Bendis could have made him the first Brock who was actually completely sane (which even SSM Eddie is not).

[ragingdemon155]

This isnt the comics is it? no.

TMNT was a brutal comic aimed towards adults yet they pulled off 10 seasons as a kids cartoon bringing in ultra violent characters, they pulled off carnage in the 90s with spider-man on fox kids.. they can def pull him off and have it be pretty edgy, todays standards are completely different, you can get away with alot.

They most definitely did not pull off Carnage in the 90's TV show. Absorbing souls and working for someone else? Come on now.

Carnage was one of the first villains that ever attracted me to the Spider-man comics. I would love for him to have faithful interpretation done on television. Then again, I know it's close to impossible to do. The main catch behind the character is his whole fetish for murdering constantly and without mercy. I honestly don't think SSM could pull that off (even though that show is pretty damn violent itself). Like someone mentioned earlier, if your going to do Carnage, save him for the straight to DVD movies.

[ragingdemon155]

I still think Ultimate Venom was still screwed up. He was a "Johnny Come Lately" wherein he's some old dear friend of Peter who was conveniently never mentioned until the Venom arc. Think of how much more sensical it would've been to introduce him at the same time as Harry and keep him around slowly poisoning him against Peter until Venom.

Hell, Bendis could have made him the first Brock who was actually completely sane (which even SSM Eddie is not).

Ultimate Venom might not be as good as his 616 counterpart, but Ultimate Eddie Brock is leaps and bounds more interesting then 616 Eddie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They most definitely did not pull off Carnage in the 90's TV show. Absorbing souls and working for someone else? Come on now. Yes, but I still overall enjoyed Carnage in the show.

[Anwar]

Ultimate Venom might not be as good as his 616 counterpart, but Ultimate Eddie Brock is leaps and bounds more interesting then 616 Eddie.

Paste-Pot-Pete is more interesting than 616 Eddie, but Ultimate Eddie is still some unstable Emo-Nutter.

Honestly, is it too much to ask for a Venom that is sane?

[TheGreenMeanie]

I really hope I never have to see Carnage again. That may just be me though.

[Chris Wallace]

Do you guys think they will put Carnage in this series? I think he might be a little too violent, keep in mind this IS a kid's show.

I think if they ever wanted to put him in it would have to be an even more toned down from the 90s series or they will wait until they can do some Direct to Tv movies and make it more mature (which I think they should do)

I think he's too violent for the series, the movies or any other format unless they seriously tone him down.

[Chris Wallace]

Yea personally i would like them to wait to a later season to bring in any other symboites if they bring in any others at all. We need to see venom be a big threat to spidey all on his own and all that. And yea i agree too we need to have more of the classic 60s/70s guys get in this before more modern foes are added.
I think of the symbiotes more as fad villains & not a part of his established rogues gallery. They were all unique & original.

[Jick09]

Yea personally i would like them to wait to a later season to bring in any other symboites if they bring in any others at all. We need to see venom be a big threat to spidey all on his own and all that. And yea i agree too we need to have more of the classic 60s/70s guys get in this before more modern foes are added.
for sure.
I'd like to have Carnage in the final season. and just for one episode, since he is too violent.

[Chris Wallace]

Too violent? no, for a "kid" show it was pretty damn violent this season not to mention they can pull off more then what they were able to in the 90s back when spider-man was on fox kids, and they pulled carnage off..

dont let the "kid wb" logo fool you, you can get away with more then you think.

I must've missed the episode where people were getting killed left & right.

[Sawyer]

I think it'd be awesome if SSM had a few DTVs and if Carnage was in one of them. Especially if they could allow Carnage to be as badass as he is in the comics.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Carnage is not a badass. He is the lowest common denominator. He is the "Batman & Robin" of Spidey villains.

Too worthless for this show.

[Silver Spider]

"Batman and Robin"?
That's cold, man. No pun intended.

[Sawyer]

Carnage is not a badass. He is the lowest common denominator. He is the "Batman & Robin" of Spidey villains.

Too worthless for this show.

Exsqueeze me? Bacon powder? Carnage? Worthless?

No, sir. You are the one that is worthless.

[Venom75]

I guess it all depends on what version you like,but I'd say alot of Spidey's enemies have been toned down. I'd consider characters like the Green Goblin and Venom murdering and vicious foes but they of course,were "lightened" up for the show. I suspect Carnage would appear and have the same thing happen to him. I see the show lasting at least 3-5 seasons and in an effort to keep things fresh,new characters would have to be introduced...Carnage being one of them. I just hope that doesn't mean a Venom/Spidey team up.

[Venom 1988]

Exsqueeze me? Bacon powder? Carnage? Worthless?

No, sir. You are the one that is worthless.

Nah I'm gonna have to go with Sarcastic Fan on this one :hyper:

[Chris Wallace]

WHo would've thought we'd agree?
Carnage is a joke with no depth. Everything about him has already been done before, & better.

[Sarcastic Fan]

Exsqueeze me? Bacon powder? Carnage? Worthless?

No, sir. You are the one that is worthless.

Wow, I call a fictional character worthless, and you call a real human being worthless.

Someone needs to get their priorities in order.

[Chris Wallace]

Yup, yup.

[Sawyer]

Wow, I call a fictional character worthless, and you call a real human being worthless.

Someone needs to get their priorities in order.

Well now, we all know that people that post on message boards are not real human beings. :D

But I do apologize for calling you worthless.

[Aldar]

I think they should definitely use Carnage in this series. However, instead of just having him appear out of the blue, commit some crimes, and then get a symbiote and become Carnage, they should introduce him as early as they can, and gradually show what a psycho he is. All I want is for them to finally make Carnage more interesting and make him into more than a psycho.

[Sam Fisher]

I doubt we'll see him now since it's on Disney....

[Ratcrawler]

I actually kind of like where Ultimate Gwen/Carnage were going.

[DCnightwing23]

To me Spiderman TAS was a much more mature series and Carnage was a sick and twisted and dark character

With this new series, its more targeted to kids. So if they add Carnage itll probably a cheesy comedian.

[Webhead2006]

well there is alot different. firstly the 90s series was an adult spiderman in college, compared to a newly powered spider-man who is still a teenager. Then the 90s series was censored up the waszu when it aired on fox and we hardly ever got phsical volience/spider-man actually punching villains. Were as tssm we get to see him actually fight villains with punching. Then story wise tssm is mixing classic/modern/ultimate/movies history-etc.... and making an all emcompassing spider-man. Each has their good points and their bad points. Most probably think tssm is more kidder due to the animation but that was done for budget reasons. Were i think tssm has a much better story then most of the 90s series plots.

[Sam Fisher]

In Spider-man TAS, Venom was awasome, but Carnage was only ok. I understand the life sucking thing. But the character was never developed. Cassady was pretty much just a lunitic. We never found out his backstory or his motives.


I just don't think Carnage can be done properly on a kids show.

[Webhead2006]

well i think greg w and crew could come up with a good story with him look at what they have done with a variety of the villains. Though we are likely not going to see carnage in this series like i said a few times greg w has no interest in the character.

[Sarcastic Fan]

To me Spiderman TAS was a much more mature series and Carnage was a sick and twisted and dark character

With this new series, its more targeted to kids. So if they add Carnage itll probably a cheesy comedian.

I know a thing or two about writing. TAS wasn't more mature. It was more melodramatic.

I guarantee you that you'll never see something as stupid as the Green Goblin being thrown through a dimensional portal on this show.

That and Greg Weisman is just a better writer than John Semper. Semper is... not a good writer at all.

[Webhead2006]

yea so many silly crazy stuff happened in the 90s series. Yes its is/was one of my favs cartoons as a kid but looking back at it now as an adult i can see the many many faults it had. Were as looking at TSSM as an adult and very interested in the entertainment business i can see very good story telling and other great elements. Yes there is some things i would have liked to see different like shultz as shocker and not montana/ though it worked for story reason, and secondly the animation style. But cant change that and we know from greg and SF it was picked for its reasons. So you really shouldnt fault the show on its looks. It has many other great elements. And i cant wait to see were it goes and hope we can get a 3,4,5 seasons.

[Venom 1988]

To me Spiderman TAS was a much more mature series and Carnage was a sick and twisted and dark character

With this new series, its more targeted to kids. So if they add Carnage itll probably a cheesy comedian.

LMAO Carnage was a dark and twisted character in TAS? Don't kid yourself there, he was barely that in the comics. All TAS did was make him a soul sucking hyena with bad one-liners

[Rincewind]

I know a thing or two about writing. TAS wasn't more mature. It was more melodramatic.

I guarantee you that you'll never see something as stupid as the Green Goblin being thrown through a dimensional portal on this show.

That and Greg Weisman is just a better writer than John Semper. Semper is... not a good writer at all.
QFT. I know how loved is TAS by most fans, but I always found it too full of cheap melodrama. SSM is better to me in everything for now. I recently watched it again and the only thing that struck me as a flaw story-wise was the bit rushed and not developped enough transformation of Brock to Venom and even that was not a catastrophe, because it still felt good and satisfying enough.

As for Carnage, I see no harm to include him, if, however, he is presented as the dangerous killer he is in the comics. Soul-sucking does not cut it for me. So, if he must be made too underwhelming to fit in kids' TV, best not include him at all.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Indeed, I mean, I absoloutely loved TAS. I grew up with the show, but when you compare it to TSSM, you can see the differences and the things that should have been allowed in TAS, but weren't. I loved TAS and I still do, but TSSM is better without a doubt, IMO.

[Webhead2006]

So true there spiderman tas is still like i said one of my fav childhood toons but compared to tssm and seeing things how they work tas had alot of faults.

[Mario_Galaxy]

I hope we don't see Carnage. No offense to his fans, but I always found him to be kinda lame. What's his point? Venom is supposed to be a dark image of Spidey, so Carnage is a dark image of Venom? Do we need that? Besides, I actually like what they've done with Venom, and bringing in Carnage would cheapen him a bit, I think.

[Sam Fisher]

Agreed. Carnage always seemed to a be a cheap rip off of Venom to me.

[Ratcrawler]

They'd need to do something really original with Carnage.

[Jick09]

I hope we don't see Carnage. No offense to his fans, but I always found him to be kinda lame. What's his point? Venom is supposed to be a dark image of Spidey, so Carnage is a dark image of Venom? Do we need that? Besides, I actually like what they've done with Venom, and bringing in Carnage would cheapen him a bit, I think.
well, it's not like he tries to.
his objective is to bring chaos to the world. to live without rules.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They'd need to do something really original with Carnage. Indeed, and that's another thing I'd like to point out.

TAS's Carnage was great. He was psychotic, mean, etc, but they watered him down too much. For this show, if we do indeed see him, I'd like to see a Carnage that isn't extremely watered down. Now, I know they can't do deaths, but carnage beating up people would work well, IMO.

[Grievous]

Indeed, and that's another thing I'd like to point out.

TAS's Carnage was great. He was psychotic, mean, etc, but they watered him down too much. For this show, if we do indeed see him, I'd like to see a Carnage that isn't extremely watered down. Now, I know they can't do deaths, but carnage beating up people would work well, IMO.
I agree but he can't do too much seeing as it's still a kids show.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree but he can't do too much seeing as it's still a kids show. True, but, hey, it's better than nothing.

[Venom 1988]

True, but, hey, it's better than nothing.

No whats better is to save him for the DTV movies after the series is over...if we even get that far anyway

[Webhead2006]

Yea i personally dont want to see carnage either, but if they were to include him in the future i bet they could come up with something pretty good. Look at what Greg and the crew have done with the villains we have seen so far.

[Spider-ManHero12]

No whats better is to save him for the DTV movies after the series is over...if we even get that far anyway I was thinking of that, but the reason I didn't say it was because there are alot more adult oriented stories out there to adapt into the DTV than a Carnage story. Though, I really like Carnage and I wouldn't mind seeing him in a DTV.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I'd rather see the Walrus, the White Rabbit, even frickin' Hypno-Hustler before Carnage.

Yep, I'm serious.

[Jick09]

put Gibbon there too and I'm sold.
:cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'd rather see the Walrus, the White Rabbit, even frickin' Hypno-Hustler before Carnage.

Yep, I'm serious. Really? Wow, lol.

[Webhead2006]

It would be pretty interesting to see some of those second stringers appear in tssm.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ It would be funny to see them at the beginning of a TSSM episode. They would get captured right away, lol.

[Chris Wallace]

put Gibbon there too and I'm sold.
:cwink:

Swarm.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Defenitely.

[Webhead2006]

would be interesting.

[TwilightPro101]

I'd rather see the Walrus, the White Rabbit, even frickin' Hypno-Hustler before Carnage.

Yep, I'm serious.

I'd be game for them as well. Even if their all just teamed up against Spidey.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I'd be game for them as well. Even if their all just teamed up against Spidey.

Since Greg hinted at several versions of the Sinister Six, what if one of them is a Legion of Losers with those involved. That would be hilarious.

I'm especially hoping for White Rabbit. She would really fit in in a Cheeks-style design. Plus, the more female villains, the better.

[TwilightPro101]

Since Greg hinted at several versions of the Sinister Six, what if one of them is a Legion of Losers with those involved. That would be hilarious.

I'm especially hoping for White Rabbit. She would really fit in in a Cheeks-style design. Plus, the more female villains, the better.

Totally agree.

[Ratcrawler]

Who is White Rabbit? Black Cat's antithesis?

[TwilightPro101]

Who is White Rabbit? Black Cat's antithesis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rabbit_(comics)

[Venom 1988]

Speaking of Cheeks...he hasn't posted any SSM art in awhile which I find a tad odd. Cuz every couple of weeks he would post character designs from the show and he stopped right before the Venom arc started on TV. So theres none of Venom, Black Spidey, Black Cat, or Chameleon. :(

Only thing really is this concept art chart

http://fc35.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/253/3/3/33f6d5cd4cec62d80e49dfb0befce5a4.jpg

[Webhead2006]

well u got to remember about two months ago greg stated since they didnt have a 3rd season commission order yet/still all none needed crew were laid off including cheeks. Only greg and some other producers are still under contract.

As for different versions of sinster six yea i would love to see some of those silly second stringer villains like white rabbit/warlus/grizzly/etc.... get their chance in animated form.

[Webhead2006]

well u got to remember about two months ago greg stated since they didnt have a 3rd season commission order yet/still all non needed crew were laid off including cheeks. Only greg and some other producers are still under contract.

As for different versions of sinster six yea i would love to see some of those silly second stringer villains like white rabbit/warlus/grizzly/etc.... get their chance in animated form.

[Venom 1988]

Well yea, but surely he would have concept art of the above said season 1 characters I mentioned.

[Webhead2006]

yea he probably does though since he doesnt know where he stands with the future of the series he probably cant release the pics u know legal tie ups and all that.

[Daredevil_2003]

I have faith in these guys. They're to animated Spider-Man what Timm/Dini and the gang were to DC, IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing carnage done in SSM. :up:

[Mario_Galaxy]

Haha, I'd love to see White Rabbit. :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Speaking of Cheeks...he hasn't posted any SSM art in awhile which I find a tad odd. Cuz every couple of weeks he would post character designs from the show and he stopped right before the Venom arc started on TV. So theres none of Venom, Black Spidey, Black Cat, or Chameleon. :(

Only thing really is this concept art chart

http://fc35.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/253/3/3/33f6d5cd4cec62d80e49dfb0befce5a4.jpg Cool stuff! Aunt May is the closest looking to what we got in the show.

[Mario_Galaxy]

It's funny, I used to hate the whole web pits thing, but now I really like them. I wouldn't mind if they start drawing them in in later seasons, to show Spider-Man is growing up. It might be a bit weird for newer fans though.

[RootBeerMaster]

I would love to see Carnage in this Cartoon, I don't think he is too Violent. While he can't be a Serial Killer. I think he could changed to be a extreamly violent crimianl who cause large amounts of damage and try to kill people. They already have that in the cartoon anyway. I think that would be Awsome.

[Chris Wallace]

I really think that if they did bring Carnage in, they'd water him down so much that the fans who wanted him would be angry. Just like last time.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really think that if they did bring Carnage in, they'd water him down so much that the fans who wanted him would be angry. Just like last time. Well, as i said, he last show hardly allowed punches, so obviously, they wouldn't water Carnage down as much on this show, but obviously, they still would have to water him down.

[Chris Wallace]

I think they'd water him down even more. Last time he was at least allowed to kill. (SOul-stealing is technically killing.) I doubt he'd even get to do that much again.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think they'd water him down even more. Last time he was at least allowed to kill. (SOul-stealing is technically killing.) I doubt he'd even get to do that much again. Well, I think he'll do worse than soul-stealing though.

[Arcturus]

At the end of the day, after all is said and done, I don't think Carnage is necessary. I think Venom will remain a villain in the SSM series, and that's the way it should be. I'm not seeing the Lethal Protector angle being included for Venom. After reading the season 2 episode guide, this seems to be true, well, at least for now. I'd rather see the feud between Peter & Eddie be resolved.

[LightningFlash]

It's funny, I used to hate the whole web pits thing, but now I really like them. I wouldn't mind if they start drawing them in in later seasons, to show Spider-Man is growing up. It might be a bit weird for newer fans though.

The 'web pits' and big eyes is the Spider-Man I like. Which is why TSSM has actually a great-looking Spidey.

And as someone who didn't like this series, but enjoyed the symybiote/Venom arc, I'll be fine with watch Carnage. The symbiotes are my fav. Spidey villains after all.

[Spider-ManHero12]

At the end of the day, after all is said and done, I don't think Carnage is necessary. I think Venom will remain a villain in the SSM series, and that's the way it should be. I'm not seeing the Lethal Protector angle being included for Venom. After reading the season 2 episode guide, this seems to be true, well, at least for now. I'd rather see the feud between Peter & Eddie be resolved. I second that.

[Webhead2006]

yea i agree we dont need carnage in the series at this point. And come on if they did bring him they could probably do something good with him. look at what they have done with the villains we gotten so far.

[Chris Wallace]

At the end of the day, after all is said and done, I don't think Carnage is necessary. I think Venom will remain a villain in the SSM series, and that's the way it should be. I'm not seeing the Lethal Protector angle being included for Venom. After reading the season 2 episode guide, this seems to be true, well, at least for now. I'd rather see the feud between Peter & Eddie be resolved.

I agree there. And I honestly think that the introduction of Carnage hurt Venom in a way. If his whole story is built around his vendetta against Spider-Man, (unlike most villains who just have it in for him b/c he got in their way) then it's a bit of a contradiction to have them allied against a common foe. This, IMO, led to their questionable truce ("Don't come after me, I won't come after you." Yeah, that's very characteristic of a superhero. Letting a known murdering psychopath run loose b/c you're scared of him) and the flip-flopping between "good" & bad which seemed to further endear Venom to some fans & put off others. I fall into the latter group. I really think a similar debacle would happen were they to bring him into the show.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i rather just have venom in this series and leave carnage out what we got going right now with venom and spidey is pretty good and carnage could mess that all up. Though speaking of how bad censoring was with the 90s series i really hope disney xd are leanant with the show moving to their network. I dont want to see SSM get all censored liked the 90s show was when it aired on fox in the 90s. I want to see actual fist fights continue and i want the language we have seen in season 1 not get compromised.

[Chris Wallace]

Censorship? You wouldn't be referring to things like:
They had Morbius, but he couldn't use his fangs or say the word "Blood"?
They had Blade, but he couldn't use blades? (He had a freakin' light saber!!!!!)
They had Punisher, but he couldn't use a gun & kept his symbol obscured?
They had Carnage, but he stole souls?
Everybody, from the cops down to the lowly petty thugs, had stun blasters instead of guns?

[Webhead2006]

yes those would be some elements of the censorship the 90s show had.

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, yeah-and Spidey throwing a combined total of 3 punches over the course of the entire series?

[Venom75]

It makes me wonder if this show should,or could deal with death? I was watching episodes of Batman Beyond and although they don't really show it,people have died on that show. So,could SSM pull that off?

[Webhead2006]

probably.

[Mario_Galaxy]

Some shows had clever ways of suggesting death. That episode of BTAS where they show how Robin's parents died was awesome. You keep seeing this rope about to break, and finally it does and you hear everyone scream. Effective and pretty ominous. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Spider-Man, in live action or animated, has always had a more kid-friendly approach than the likes of Batman. Batman's animated show had bullets, tons of hand-to-hand combat, a gruesome origin for Two-Face, & the aforementioned death scene for Robin's parents. In every show Spidey has had-from the 60's on up-we see him learning about Uncle Ben's death after the fact, & he more often would web an enemy than hit them. I've come to accept it. I think Spidey is deemed a more kid-friendly character (probably due in part to him being so young, wearing such bright colors & the whole "Friendly Neighborhood" bit) so they want to tone down the violence. At the same time, the examples I listed in my previous post are just ridiculous. If a character's normal depiction doesn't fit the "safe" parameters of your show, then don't bring them in.

[Mistah K88]

Well, If you can't do something correctly, your best bet woul be to not do it at all. Carnage isn't really one of those characters you can do on a kids show without watering him down...ALOT. Plus, if we are to keep Venom as a villian Carnage will not really be necessary.

As for death, of course things should happen, they just don't have to spell it out for people. In the BTAS/Superman:TAS crossover Joker shot missles at buildings...I know those weren't all vacant. Even Green Goblin of this show was going to kill everyone at Mr. Lincoln's (Tombstone) party with that pumpkin bomb. People don't have to go dying left and right but you don't have to cut it out completely, just have some reaction shots or make it ambiguous so the censors won't go edit happy on the series...

[Chris Wallace]

Well, If you can't do something correctly, your best bet woul be to not do it at all. Carnage isn't really one of those characters you can do on a kids show without watering him down...ALOT. Plus, if we are to keep Venom as a villian Carnage will not really be necessary.

Quite true.

[xMaNiAx]

Well, If you can't do something correctly, your best bet woul be to not do it at all. Carnage isn't really one of those characters you can do on a kids show without watering him down...ALOT. Plus, if we are to keep Venom as a villian Carnage will not really be necessary.

As i've said before if Greg ever changed his mind about adding more symbiotes i'd love to have a DTV invovling all the offspring to some extent. I would also like the show to hint at the possibility of having Cletus Cassidy as a madman before the symbiote craziness and the meeting of Eddie Brock.

[Ratcrawler]

Some shows had clever ways of suggesting death. That episode of BTAS where they show how Robin's parents died was awesome. You keep seeing this rope about to break, and finally it does and you hear everyone scream. Effective and pretty ominous. :up:

Oh that's true. They also died in the Season 4 premiere of The Batman, a more recent example.

There was also a really good ep of Static Shock where a kid who got picked on brought a gun to school and accidentally shot Richie. He survived of course, but the show struck a chord at a time when the Columbine shootings were weighing heavy on the minds of the American public. SSM needs to do something like that. Something that resonates.

That's the mark of a really good Superhero cartoon, IMO. The X-Men tackled racism and intolerance in all their shows. One of my favorite Evo episodes was when sPyke returned as a protector to the Morlocks. There was a scene where he went to a store to pick up medicine, food and supplies for his new family and everybody stared at him. The clerk told him he reserved the right to refuse service to a customer but sPyke just paid the money and left. Some very powerful undertones there.

[Venom.X]

This post is NOT meant to compare the Joker and Carnage in the sense that they are equals. Know that before going in.

Carnage, pretty much, was always meant to be Spider-Man's Joker. David Michilinie, Erik Larsen, and Mark Bagley have stated so in past interviews and the like; these three contributors being the creators of Cletus Kasady/Carnage. Carnage is just Venom meets the Joker. Kasady's design was supposed to perfectly mimic the Joker's appearance (before Bagley made him look a little less rip-offy), and their shared views on life and violence further supports this. Both are characters obsessed with death and mayhem.

So my point is, if the Joker can be tamed just enough for all the Batman cartoons, why not Carnage? Both characters are synonymous with senseless gory death in the comics, and both characters can be deemed too violent for their series. Yet there is no argument over the Joker's animated inclusions. Why is that?

Well, 1st of all, you CAN'T HAVE BATMAN WITHOUT THE JOKER!

Spider-Man doesn't need Carnage, or a character like Carnage. He never did. We know who Spidey's must-have villains are. Certain villains are essential to a Spidey cartoon, just as the Joker is to Batman. Carnage is not one of them. The Joker gets more leeway as far as considering his inclusion in the show(s) based around Batman because a Batman show without Joker is like a Superman show with Lex Luthor: Joker is mandatory. So you make him fit, censor his acts, and try to keep him as close to his character as possible without going over the line.

The same can be done with Carnage; make him violent, but mildly do so. The problem is, will Weisman think Carnage's inclusion as necessary as a character like the Joker?

The point of this post? I was thinking...I don't think Carnage would be left out because he's too violent for a kids' show, considering that characters like the Joker have been added to animated shows and (EXCEPT for "The Batman") he was kept true to his character. I think the question is, will the writers bother with a character that may be deemed unnecessary?

[Chris Wallace]

This post is NOT meant to compare the Joker and Carnage in the sense that they are equals. Know that before going in.

Carnage, pretty much, was always meant to be Spider-Man's Joker. David Michilinie, Erik Larsen, and Mark Bagley have stated so in past interviews and the like; these three contributors being the creators of Cletus Kasady/Carnage. Carnage is just Venom meets the Joker. Kasady's design was supposed to perfectly mimic the Joker's appearance (before Bagley made him look a little less rip-offy), and their shared views on life and violence further supports this. Both are characters obsessed with death and mayhem.

So my point is, if the Joker can be tamed just enough for all the Batman cartoons, why not Carnage? Both characters are synonymous with senseless gory death in the comics, and both characters can be deemed too violent for their series. Yet there is no argument over the Joker's animated inclusions. Why is that?


Because Joker douses people with laughing gas & Carnage disembowels them.

[Rincewind]

In the comics the Joker beats a kid to death with a crowbar, shoots and thus cripples a girl for life and then takes naked photos of her etc. He may not be as gory as Carnage, but he is just as violent. So in a way, if he can be adapted in a kid's show, so can Carnage. It's just that Carnage is not as important for Spidey's mythos as the Joker is for Batman's.

[Chris Wallace]

Okay, but neither JT's death nor Barbara's degradation have made their way to a cartoon series. For the most part, the only thing I've seen JOker do in animation is hit people with gag weapons & gas them. Many of his victims have even survived the gassing, & even if they don't, it's much more gruesome to show someone being hacked, slashed, strangled & mutilated than to show them smiling. And again, Spidey has always had a MUCH more kid-friendly depiction (MTV series notwithstanding) than Batman.
Come to think of it, did ANY of Joker's victims actually die in the cartoon?

[Mistah K88]

Well none died on "The Batman", people would simply sit there for hours with a smile on their face and get the antidote later (Which SUCKED). While not as many died on BTAS because of the censorship, Joker got one guy in the begining of the episode "Harlequinade". He also killed his old boss in Mask of the Phantasm. In TNBA and beyond Joker killed quite a few people as they got a little more freedom with the show,
Holiday Knights- The security guards and the scientist who created the sonic device.
World's Finest- The guy at the pawn shop and PLENTY of people in the buildings he attacked
Beware The Creeper- A taxi driver and a whole news crew with the exception of Jack Ryder.
Wild Cards (JL)- A (Cadmus?) organization
Batman Beyond: RoTJ- People in cars, at the park, and in quite a few buildings

The beauty of this is that the creators never said the people were dead (or there was anybody in the buildings). But people aren't stupid, these people are all dead.

Carnage however, can not do stuff like that where we get to see the corpses in an ambiguous light like the Joker. Green Goblin could probably get away with murder with his bombs (blowing up a building [with people in it] like he planned to do in his debut.) With Carnage, they can just say "many killed" on the news (if they don't have that censorship where you cannot say "kill" still.) It is indeed true that they can work around Canage murdering (soul sucking anyone?), but I feel that it may not be worth doing. I almost would say that I'd rather have Venom kill a person or two to attract Spider-Man out, but I guess Carnage would be better for random killings but I feel that it is really un needed.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Well none died on "The Batman", people would simply sit there for hours with a smile on their face and get the antidote later (Which SUCKED).

Actually, after "The Laughing Bat", the new strain of Joker gas is deadly. It just wasn't mentioned in the show. A jaywalker, an old lady, and the mayor's wife fell victims to it, and Batman himself admitted he couldn't find a cure to the new venom.

Other victims of the deadly venom include the Riddler's hacker henchmen in "Night and the City" (which were never seen again and replaced by new henchmen), Kilgore Steed in "The Laughing Cats", and that woman in the charity contest and Wrath and Scorn in "The End of the Batman" (which is why Batman was not concerned with them when they were gassed, they were dying anyway).

And like Joker did in "The World's Finest", Black Mask and Maxie Zeus blew up populated buildings, but were never referred as such. Black Mask also killed his second Number One in "What Goes Up...", and Gorman is inferred to have been killed by Riddler's henchmen in "Riddler's Revenge".

[Mistah K88]

Well then, thanks for the correction GamerSlyRachet. During the "Laughing Bat", Mayor Grange's wife was still in the hospital bed.

Death can be dealt with on this show, I guess they just can't make it so obvious so the sensors don't go all crazy. Some reaction shots are great for these things too. I still fear about what will happen when it goes to Disney. The censors over there wanted a dragon from a Disney original animated show (American Dragon: Jake Long) to wear a helmet while flying and not breathe fire unless it is in a fire safe place like a fire place. Good thing is they didn't do it, but they really had to fight it.

Back to Carnage, I don't think he's needed, he's not really important enough to Spider-Man anyway. If they do HAVE to have him, I'd rather have him in a DTV because they could get away with a lot more (Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker proved that these shows can go pretty far)...(Hmm...I need to stop bringing up Batman The Animated Series and all of it's spinoffs, but this show is equal to it in terms of quality in my opinion)

[GamerSlyRatchet]

In my honest, sarcasm-free opinion, Carnage should not be brought in this show. He would be hard to faithfully adapt in this show. Plus, Greg doesn't really like the character, so he shouldn't be forced to use him. Another reason why I don't like Carnage is that he lessens the impact of Venom, and his uniqueness among the rogues. The more symbiotes appear, the less he is worth.

[Chris Wallace]

In my honest, sarcasm-free opinion, Carnage should not be brought in this show. He would be hard to faithfully adapt in this show. Plus, Greg doesn't really like the character, so he shouldn't be forced to use him. Another reason why I don't like Carnage is that he lessens the impact of Venom, and his uniqueness among the rogues. The more symbiotes appear, the less he is worth.

This I agree with wholeheartedly. I'm not a big Venom fan, but I liked him a lot more before Venom came along.

[Webhead2006]

i agree with you guys too. If carnage is to ever show up in the show i rather they leave him out to a more mature dtv film release.

[Venom.X]

This I agree with wholeheartedly. I'm not a big Venom fan, but I liked him a lot more before Carnage came along.

Now that post makes sense.

[Ratcrawler]

I'm especially hoping for White Rabbit. She would really fit in in a Cheeks-style design. Plus, the more female villains, the better.

Scream, anyone?
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f391/cloudo/200px-Scream_sym.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

NO. No more symbiotes.

[Daredevil_2003]

NO. No more symbiotes.Not even a lil one?

:csad:

[Chris Wallace]

Nope.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Scream, anyone? Nope, she wouldn't work, if you ask me.

[Daredevil_2003]

Nope.

:hehe: I agree. I'm definitely in the camp that Carnage takes away from Venom. I only really liked him in USM, where he was radically altered into something useful.

[Venom.X]

Scream, anyone?

Most of us don't even want Carnage. Then you want Scream. And you can't have Scream without her 4 siblings. So then we'd have Venom, Carnage, plus 5. Then somehow we'd end up with Hybrid...

It spirals out of hand.

Let's keep it at Venom, and near the end of the series, Carnage's one and only appearance.

For female villains, I seriously suggest Shriek. I'm not kidding. She could have been a mainstay in the comics.

http://spiderfan.org/characters/shriek.html

[Ratcrawler]

I dunno, I found myself watching Joker and Harley's date montage on "The Batman" thought it would be cute if Venom had a girlfriend lol.

Maybe the series finale could be a symbiote invasion or something.

[Rincewind]

Joker and a girlfriend works. I don't know how or why, but it does.

I seriously doubt that it will work with a guy like Venom (yup, it didn't in TAS, at least for me, but there the concept was very different).

[Ratcrawler]

I mean, I know symbiotes are asexual, but I just cant stop thinking about how much fun it would be seeing Venom and Scream frolicking in a flowery meadow followed by devouring small children with "What the world...needs now..is love, sweet love..." lilting in the background.

[Rincewind]

It didn't even cross my mind that they are asexual :oldrazz:
It's just that I don't think that it will be good for the character.
On a second thought, though... The idea you gave is adorable :grin:

[Ratcrawler]

I'm gonna draw it! :D

[Arcturus]

Venom is my favorite Spider-Man villain, and so far, I think SSM has handled him quite well. And I feel it's best if SSM limits the symbiote angle to Venom. I don't feel Carnage is necessary, or the Skittle symbiotes, or Hybrid, or Toxin. Just leave it to Venom, please.

[Ratcrawler]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/602/symbiotesak2.jpg
Venom: So hey, if you're not, you know, doing anything, you wanna grab some brains?

Scream: We love brains!

[Venom.X]

That's sick! She's his symbiotic daughter!

[aragen]

That's sick! She's his symbiotic daughter!

The symbiotes are but the host aren't.

[Ratcrawler]

Yeah, but considering Symbiotes are asexual anyway, I don't think it matters. Besides, she was created in a lab out of his sPores or whatever. Kinda like Eve out of Adam's rib.

I was actually thinking about my previous comment regarding a symbiote based series finale and a story for Carnage that's not overly gory. This is what I came up with:

Carnage wants what any sPecies wants, self propagation. Venom, on the other hand, enjoys being sPecial and would rather be the only symbiote on the planet.

Carnage taps into his inherited memories and recalls how other symbiotes lived on a cluster of meteors near the Earth's orbit and they'll be passing by soon. He devises a plan to build an electromagnetic tractor beam to pull them at their nearest point. Venom intervenes but too late. A large electromagnetic pulse shuts off all NY's power and pulls in the meteors which crash all over the city. The symbiotes inhabiting them ensnare the nearest humans (including Scorpion) and before long a blacked out NY is overrun by a small Symbiote army.

This forces sPidey to team up with not only with Venom but several of his allies and most powerful enemies.

[Chris Wallace]

According to "Spider-Girl", they're not asexual; the Venom symbiote was revealed to be female.
I guess you mean in terms of not needing a mate to reproduce.

[MikeFrost]

So my point is, if the Joker can be tamed just enough for all the Batman cartoons, why not Carnage? Both characters are synonymous with senseless gory death in the comics, and both characters can be deemed too violent for their series. Yet there is no argument over the Joker's animated inclusions. Why is that?

Because the Joker is, and believe me this does affect it alot, a clown.
That makes things alot more easier because they can just focus on that side and leave out his murderous personality to a real minimum. The Joker in animation was always portrayed as more of a tom-fooler than a real crazy murderous psychopath.
He laughs and he is silly. All this carnival act gets more attraction to the eyes of the kids than the occasional kills he makes.

With Carnage, well, he is like the Joker, yes, but without the funny side. He is basically the unwatered down version of him. He is a character that is focused solely on killing. For fun. No subterfugees, no happy looks or other aspects of his personality that you can focus on more. He is just that: a one dimentional serial killer.

There's a big difference here. Also, I agree with previous points made that Carnage takes away Venom's impact and can really stay out. For Carnage to work, we would have to have Venom keeping to his hatred of Spidey yet still "protector of innocents" (with this I mean, he would want to take Carnage out for the threat he poses to society and not because he has gone soft and wants to be a hero) and have pretty much a 3 way fight between the symbiotes and our wallcrawler. I'm not really sure if they should ever consider putting in a watered down version of him.

It seems, however, that Cletus got a cameo on the latest episode tho.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/SpectacularCletus.png

[Venom.X]

Because the Joker is, and believe me this does affect it alot, a clown.
That makes things alot more easier because they can just focus on that side and leave out his murderous personality to a real minimum. The Joker in animation was always portrayed as more of a tom-fooler than a real crazy murderous psychopath.
He laughs and he is silly. All this carnival act gets more attraction to the eyes of the kids than the occasional kills he makes.

With Carnage, well, he is like the Joker, yes, but without the funny side. He is basically the unwatered down version of him. He is a character that is focused solely on killing. For fun. No subterfugees, no happy looks or other aspects of his personality that you can focus on more. He is just that: a one dimentional serial killer.

There's a big difference here. Also, I agree with previous points made that Carnage takes away Venom's impact and can really stay out. For Carnage to work, we would have to have Venom keeping to his hatred of Spidey yet still "protector of innocents" (with this I mean, he would want to take Carnage out for the threat he poses to society and not because he has gone soft and wants to be a hero) and have pretty much a 3 way fight between the symbiotes and our wallcrawler. I'm not really sure if they should ever consider putting in a watered down version of him.

It seems, however, that Cletus got a cameo on the latest episode tho.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/SpectacularCletus.png

Where in High Heaven did you get THAT SCREENSHOT!?!

Season two sneak peek? A Leak?!!

EDIT: Oh, I see...Canada gets yet another great show before us...

[Daredevil_2003]

EDIT: Oh, I see...Canada gets yet another great show before us...Yeah, doesn't that suck?

[MikeFrost]

Yeah, doesn't that suck?

Nop, not really. Given that you can watch it online like everybody else alot sooner than it was planned. :woot:

[Chris Wallace]

Anyone got a link to where we can see it?

[MikeFrost]

Just google it. Pretty easy to find.

[Chris Wallace]

All I found was a Kraven clip w/no audio.

[Mistah K88]

Anyone got a link to where we can see it?

I saw it on YT last night... was it removed?

[Chris Wallace]

I saw it on YT last night... was it removed?

See my above post.

[AIRWOLF]

Although Carnage isn't my favorite of symbiotes, in fact Venom is the only favorite, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a episode or two, it'd be neat to see Spidey handle someone as crazy as Carnage and how it will impact him personally. It's not impossible to water down Carnage, it's not a necessity to make a character exactly like his comic counterpart, things can be improved or altered to suit the need of pre-established framework. To speak against the idea, I'd rather they spend their time with Venom than to try and come up with Carnage episodes. Also I agree that Carnage takes away Venom's impact, imo he's no longer a unique villain if Carnage appears.

Anyone got a link to where we can see it?

It's still on YT. You'll find it.

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope they dont use carnage if they do i hope they hold off for awhile. As for cassidy being in the episode the other day, for all we know it could have just been a easter egg for the carnage fans. Or maybe since greg doesnt like carnage as he has said maybe he will just use cassidy a few times and all that.

[MikeFrost]

I agree. Was most likely one of the tons of cameos the show seems to be throwing at us.

[Webhead2006]

yea that is what i could see. Maybe since carnage fans want to see carnage show up and since he doesnt like the character much maybe he decided to compromise and go with just cletus for now.

[Spiderine]

I'm now wondering is Brock going to end up at Ravencroft.

[Chris Wallace]

Because the Joker is, and believe me this does affect it alot, a clown.
That makes things alot more easier because they can just focus on that side and leave out his murderous personality to a real minimum. The Joker in animation was always portrayed as more of a tom-fooler than a real crazy murderous psychopath.
He laughs and he is silly. All this carnival act gets more attraction to the eyes of the kids than the occasional kills he makes.

With Carnage, well, he is like the Joker, yes, but without the funny side. He is basically the unwatered down version of him. He is a character that is focused solely on killing. For fun. No subterfugees, no happy looks or other aspects of his personality that you can focus on more. He is just that: a one dimentional serial killer.

There's a big difference here. Also, I agree with previous points made that Carnage takes away Venom's impact and can really stay out. For Carnage to work, we would have to have Venom keeping to his hatred of Spidey yet still "protector of innocents" (with this I mean, he would want to take Carnage out for the threat he poses to society and not because he has gone soft and wants to be a hero) and have pretty much a 3 way fight between the symbiotes and our wallcrawler. I'm not really sure if they should ever consider putting in a watered down version of him.

It seems, however, that Cletus got a cameo on the latest episode tho.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/SpectacularCletus.png
Does anyone remember when Joker met Carnage? THey are so far apart it's ridiculous.
Yes, it's true. Joker is more theatrical, which actually makes him more kid-friendly. He does things besides just killing all the time. Carnage, in terms of his approach, is along the lines of Freddy Krueger or Jason Voorhees. He hacks & slashes. You really can't adapt that to this show. And I don't want to see him soul-sucking again.
Also, keep in mind that even JOker had to be drastically toned down for Saturday mornings. Did we see his high-voltage joy bizzer? Yes. But did we see him fry anyone to a crisp with it? No. Did he have his acis flower? Yes. Did he spray it in anyone's face? No. And for the most part, his kills on the show were unsuccessful. Batman got to the person with the antidote in time. Jack Nicholson's Joker would never have made it on Saturday mornings. Neither would Ledger's, shoving knives down people's throats & jamming pencils in their eyes.
My point is, maybe-just maybe Carnage could be adapted to this show. But by the time they got done with him, he wouldn't be Carnage.

[Ratcrawler]

What's so bad about that? People say he's a weak character anyway. Alterations might be an improvement.

[Spiderine]

Maybe he will show up in the straight to DVD seasons when they can be nore adult oriented if this series makes it that far. Pretty big if.

[Spiderine]

The main thing is their ability to add depth to these characters. That is what Cletus needs. They can do it.

[Webhead2006]

yea i rather just have kassidy show up in minor roles over the course of a few episodes and then leave him becoming carnage for a dtv movie if they do get a chance to do any.

[Spiderine]

I wouldn't want to see Carnage until then anyways.

[Anwar]

Just have him be some crazy dude who covers himself in red paint and claim to be like Venom. Then he always gets beaten up by common folk on the street.

[Rincewind]

Saturday mornings cartoons do not kill the characters. Or else the Joker in B:TAS would not have been one of the most beloved versions of the character, especially among hardcore comic fans. And yes, Chris Wallace is right - his VKC (violent killing capacity) was reduced almost to zero. And he still went on to become one of the greatest adaptations of the character. Even the soul-sucking in SM:TAS did not destroy Carnage, it only made him look lame. With a right approach, SSM can have a cool Carnage and still avoid having horrible deaths on a cartoon. Now, the question "should they do it, even if they can" is another topic entirely.

[MrShifty]

we'll probably see Carnage is S3 if we do see him.
Eddie Brock gets put into Ravencroft at the end of S2. Meets Kafka and Kletus

[Venom.X]

Just have him be some crazy dude who covers himself in red paint and claim to be like Venom. Then he always gets beaten up by common folk on the street.

You know that actually happened in the comics. In the comics, he just runs around covered in paint in his tightie-whities after losing the symbiote. If that was to be referrenced, I hope it never becomes the main plot of an episode, a subplot at least, or have it happen right before the starting credits roll.