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giggs11uk

06-05-2008, 11:32 PM

I think it would be interesting to see Rhodey done the War Machine suit (because of stark's alcoholism) and become mentally unstable because of it causing Stark to sober up and literally fight Rhodey in order to get him back to normal. This could provide an awsome action sequence that would be more physical then a Mandarin fight
These quotes make me think its a possibility

Terrance Howard was quoted as saying this
"The question is whether we will take the time to put on the Iron Man suit first and then have to fight with Iron Man to take it off me and then ultimately build a new suit for Rhodey or whether they go right into the second one of them building the suit."
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=7130

Quote:
Among the rest of the positively received news that leaked from the weekend is the confirmation that Howard's character will become War Machine in the "Iron Man" sequels. "With War Machine, you've got to remember that after Tony Stark made the new Iron Man suit, James Rhodes put on that suit," the "Hustle & Flow" star said of the comic books. "But it's been programmed to Tony Stark's neuro-net and the frequency by which his brain communicates, which allows him to not have to push buttons but just think things. But now [once he puts it on], that drives Jim Rhodes crazy.
"Judging from how that audience responded," Howard added with a grin, "we got a pretty good shot of having some War Machine go down."
Source: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...31/story.jhtml

"Rhodes goes on a rampage, and Stark is forced to don a crude, prototype suit of armor to stop Rhodes. Rhodes comes to his senses, and the two reconcile. The two fight together until Rhodes is injured by Stane, and Stark assumes the role of Iron Man again"
-Wikipedia

SHH!: Can you talk about what villains we might be seeing in the second and third films?
Favreau: I think Mandarin for sure, I think War Machine for sure. I think you gotta go with War Machine, you gotta give Terrence more to do.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=7133
(SHH didn't say what characters you would like to see in the sequel they said what villains, but of course Favearu could have just assumed they ment characters with powers)

What do you guys think about a full on War Machine Iron Man brawl? Would you like Rhodey to don the Iron Man armor first or would you like him to wear the War Machine amor first?

Joker

06-06-2008, 02:09 AM

I think by the "fight to get it off me" comment, he means in a verbal way. Like a "Rhodey, get out of my suit," from Stark and a "no way!" by Rhodey. And then Stark having to promise to build him his own suit to get him out of it. I dont think an actual fight, or having Rhodey be a villain, is a good move at all.

Spidey-Quad

06-09-2008, 09:26 AM

No, I don't want to see them at odds. Working together, yes.

Ironfan72

06-09-2008, 09:34 AM

They never really fought each other as enemies, they were at odds with each other after Stark faked his own death and didn't tell Rhodey, they really haven't patched that up, they work together, but it's a uncomfortable alliance.
When Rhodey took over the mantle of Iron Man, during Demon in a Bottle, Rhodey started going mad, due to the Iron man armor's controls were not atuned to Jim's brain waves, but still to Tony's, and it took Tony fighting Jim to bring him to his sense's, so that might be what Terrence is referring to.

zmystico

06-09-2008, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't want to see them fight at all, have a disagreement maybe, but I don't want to see Iron Man and War Machine battling each other. I like the idea that Tony has to promise to make Rhodes his own armor to get him out of the Mark III IV or V or whichever suit is in the sequel. Also, is it necessary for the War Machine to be tuned to Stark's brainwaves if its being created for Rhodes, in Iron Man Tony seemed really jazzed about have Rhodes come check out the Iron Man project, especially considering he didn't even want Obediah to know about it. I'd really like to see Iron Man in the sequel having a hard time fighting whatever villan he's facing, and decides to enlist Rhodes by creating the War Machine and letting Rhodes don the Mark III to aide him.

Ironfan72

06-09-2008, 01:29 PM

The original War Machine was worn by Stark first and then given to Rhodes, Jim didn't wear the War Machine armor until many years after Demon in a Bottle, he actually wore the Iron Man armor, not War Machine during that time.

srnrew

06-10-2008, 12:16 AM

At least one fight wouldn't hurt

srnrew

06-10-2008, 12:17 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/war-machine/8-1.jpg http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/310-1.jpg

C.A.P.

06-10-2008, 10:04 AM

I predict Tony will fight Rhodes in the third.

iamlegend

06-12-2008, 11:35 PM

I predict Tony will fight Rhodes in the third.

If there is one...

I mean, there's IM2, and then the Avengers... I don't know if they'd want an IM3 in there anywhere.

fu manchu

06-13-2008, 02:13 PM

nah, i don't want to see that. but i could imagine it happening if Stark's alcoholism is used in the sequel.

i rather see them work together against a villian, hopefully the Mandarin.

giggs11uk

06-16-2008, 12:49 PM

If iron man did have to fight war machine it would provide two things

1. A villian iron man could actually punch. Many fans complained when Superman didnt physically fight someone in Superman Returns because the villain was a human and an intellectual just like the mandarin

2. A sympathetiic " bad guy" the spider- man movies were famous for giving us villains we actually cared about and were emotionally invested in. Iron monger had a history with tony in the first movie. Iron man was emotionally invested in that fight but i seriously doubt tony will be connected to the mandarin in any emotinal way in this new film so this provides the audience with a fight they actually care about

oriole

08-05-2008, 12:46 PM

Alright this is a really big thing we got going here..........seriously. Think about all the great triologies or sagas that we have all seen, such as Star Wars, X-men, Spiderman, The matrix...........basically theres a formula which i believe really brings the veiwer in closer and makes us care even more about what we watch. Im referring to what happens in sequels, often in part 2, or the second movie. Sometimes the bad guys win, or the main hero is crushed, or loses motivation, or realizes the overwhelming odds that are against him, or even realizing he/she has to do something they dont want to. TDK is a perfect example of this. Batman in one way or another becomes a villian in order to keep Gotham believeing theyre on an upswing with crime, having hope, etc etc. Think about the empire strikes back with Han Solo being froze. It sets up a very climatic third act. So basically this in turn applies to iron man because Rhodey could be used to create some serious drama, and action sequences. Dont get me wrong The Mandarin should be the main villian in the second iron man......But War Machine should be built up to the the villian in the third. There are a million ways too accomplish this in very story friendly ways. They have to make Rhodey hate Stark, kind of how Brock became full of hatred for Peter. There are so many possibilities. I for one DO NOT want to see anyone but Tony Stark in that iron man suit. I dunno maybe i just ranted and nobody will see it but i feel better hope yall enjoyed it.

Immortalfire

08-05-2008, 05:11 PM

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terry78

08-06-2008, 09:18 AM

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/war-machine/8-1.jpg http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/310-1.jpg

I love how the artists used to draw the suit's mask eye-holes up or down depending on if they were in peril or winning.

ord0g

08-07-2008, 06:41 AM

Yeah why not? A bit of a punch on between the two then that can kiss and make up afterwards.

oriole

08-07-2008, 12:31 PM

It needs to happen

Superman-Prime

08-08-2008, 07:51 PM

War Machine in Iron Man 2 would be so such badass.

Spider-Vader

08-08-2008, 07:58 PM

If there is one...

I mean, there's IM2, and then the Avengers... I don't know if they'd want an IM3 in there anywhere.

You know they will. I see IM2 being the top grossing movie domestic in 2010. HP7 will probably blow it away world wide.

Nirvana

08-09-2008, 01:20 PM

It'd be cool to see War Machine fighting Iron Man. Sure as hell don't want him as a villain, but them fighting could be cool.

Kahoot

08-09-2008, 01:29 PM

But Iron Man and War Machine are partners?

Troy_Parker

08-10-2008, 08:38 AM

Yeah Then I Think Rhodey Lets It Go To His Head & Becomes Evil Then Tony Kicks His Ass Or Something...

Troy_Parker

08-10-2008, 08:39 AM

D/p

RonStoppablefan

08-14-2008, 08:11 PM

Maybe..But not as a villain, just maybe in an arguement between friends some thing like that. Any who I think if Iron Man 2 does as well as the first film we could see a third one, you know those producers they can never pass up a movie that can make so much money. I think will def be seeing Mandarin for the 2 film, I found it to be one of the best storylines in the series, and the whole bottle storyline of course. It would add so much to the 2 film.

jokerface89

08-19-2008, 03:25 AM

Maybe iron man and war machine should maybe have one fist fight or so but it should not interfere with the storyline of iron man fighting The Mandarin or whatever villain that will be choosen for iron man 2.

Gotham

08-19-2008, 03:55 AM

I'd like to see one fight between Iron Man and War Machine. :up:

Deaths Head II

08-24-2008, 11:09 PM

Iron Man and War Machine always seem to have a strained relationship in the comics. Its not too crazy to imagine them fighting due to their personal insecurities, and then deciding to work together to stop the main bad guy for the finale.

Gilpesh

08-24-2008, 11:15 PM

I'd like to see one fight between Iron Man and War Machine. :up:

Bingo.

One fight when Iron Man comes back but War Machine doesn't want to give up the suit. Then they go back to their friendship and fight evil together.

Casius--J

08-25-2008, 04:18 AM

def I would love to see them have one fight. I like the angle that jim has to wear iron mans suit and sends him crazy then stark kicks the bottle and takes him down. I think that would provide a great cinematic experience!

Mr_Anderson

08-28-2008, 08:29 PM

"Should Iron Man fight War Machine?"

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yes, please!

Iron_Stark

08-29-2008, 06:51 AM

No he shouldn't fight War Machine.

ComixGirl

08-31-2008, 10:10 PM

Maybe if he gets out of control, but he's always going to be more of an ally.

marcvader

08-31-2008, 10:59 PM

Hellz yeah, they need to take advantage of the visuals. You can have a slugfest on the ground then take it to the air for some supersonic cat and mouse and then some more fighting in midair.

Symbiotic

08-31-2008, 11:36 PM

Hellz yeah, they need to take advantage of the visuals. You can have a slugfest on the ground then take it to the air for some supersonic cat and mouse and then some more fighting in midair.:up:

cerealkiller182

09-01-2008, 03:28 PM

If war machine fights Iron Man it should be War Machine trying to stop a drunk iron Man

Superhero 101

09-07-2008, 12:42 AM

Yeah that is what i was thinking. But i would definately want to see a War Machine vs Iron Man

Arthas

09-07-2008, 07:07 PM

i don't think it would make much sense, but if it did it would have to be something like cerealkiller182 just said...
or them just being overly competitive with eachother over who is a better super hero

ANTOINE X

09-14-2008, 07:15 PM

I'm disappointed that Favreau rejected Mandarin for War machine. I already saw a robot villain in the first one.

Overman27pj

09-15-2008, 11:38 AM

I'd be interested in seeing this...

Jick09

09-15-2008, 11:48 AM

certainly.
maybe when Tony is drunk, then he wants to go out as Iron Man, but Rhodes can't let he do this, cause Tony can harm someone. then Rhodes wears the War Machine armor, which Tony had designed for himself.
then we have our battle.

L0ngsh0t

09-15-2008, 01:12 PM

I think it would be a great part in the story. Rhodey does all he can to help Stark-but Stark still is an alcoholic and because of that Rhodey becomes inanse and Stark has to help him by fighting him so he can take the Iron Man aromr off of him

ANTOINE X

09-15-2008, 08:54 PM

I Disagree. I think we should have Rhodes and Starks trying to stop Mandarin and on the 3 rd movie Iron man vs War Machine.

tamron

09-16-2008, 12:24 AM

I Disagree. I think we should have Rhodes and Starks trying to stop Mandarin and on the 3 rd movie Iron man vs War Machine.

Isn't that potentially anti-climatic if Mandarin is the over-arching villian of the trilogy? I mean, Mandarin has not even been introduced. To bring him in as the catalyst behind the Ten Rings and defeat him in one film, is IMHO, a waste of a great villian.

I'd save IM (and possibly WM) versus Mandarin for three. Use two to reveal his presence as the overlord of the Ten Rings and touch on his motives. Thus setting up the climactic battle in three. You could even have Mandarin play some role in WM turning against IM, thus making it "personal" between Stark and Mandarin.

AVEITWITHJAMON

09-16-2008, 08:28 AM

I want to see some sort of battle yes, even if its just a "training exercise" :cwink:

November Rain

09-16-2008, 08:41 AM

i can definitely see a fight, i just don't know what's the best way to go about it.

tony taking on a guilty rhodes or rhodes taking on a guilty iron man.

either way with either one wearing either suit could kinda work.

cerealkiller182

09-16-2008, 09:07 AM

war machine should never be a real villain but certainly a mid way fight between WM trying to stop a IM from Operating the suit under the influence.

marcvader

09-16-2008, 10:19 AM

ANTOINE X

09-17-2008, 08:17 PM

Isn't that potentially anti-climatic if Mandarin is the over-arching villian of the trilogy? I mean, Mandarin has not even been introduced. To bring him in as the catalyst behind the Ten Rings and defeat him in one film, is IMHO, a waste of a great villian.

I'd save IM (and possibly WM) versus Mandarin for three. Use two to reveal his presence as the overlord of the Ten Rings and touch on his motives. Thus setting up the climactic battle in three. You could even have Mandarin play some role in WM turning against IM, thus making it "personal" between Stark and Mandarin.

I' m gonna have to say I was never a fan of Iron -man anyways but still the first movie gave me more interest about him. And as I predicted I found tony stark way more intrested than Iron man itself.

War machine vs Iron man it s like iron man vs Iron man? The guy behind the suit maybe different but the weapon and fighting technic are basically the same, so I don't see what's so interesting about it.

Mandarin is more intriguing than WM. He should be in the 2nd & 3rd Iron-man movie.

The way I see it:
In Iron-man2 its War machine and Iron man against Mandarin. Madarin escape because of Tony been drunk during the fight. In the third movie Iron man fight against WM because they cant stand each other and Mandarin take the opportunity to kill WM during their fight. Then Tony avenge Rhodes by killing Mandarin. Since then He never drink a singe drop of alcohol. the end :o.

kedrell

09-20-2008, 05:52 AM

No, I don't think WM and IM should ever fight. I do however, think IM(Rhodes) should fight IM(Stark). Have Jim in maybe an IM Mark 3 or 4 armor(but not the WM armor). Stark's unable to be IM anymore due to the bottle and Jim fills in, then have it(the armor) messing with his mind due to the cybernetics which weren't calibrated for his brain. He goes crazy and Stark needs to pull himself together to stop his friend from hurting himself or anyone else. Tony puts on the less advanced Mark 2 or 3 armor(depending on which one Jim's wearing since it should be less advanced than Jim's armor).

Tony has a disadvantage in that his armor is less powerful than Jim's is but Tony uses his superior experience with the armor's, plus Jim's mental instability to safely stop his friend and get the armor off him. Jim recovers in a hospital and eventually his mind is healed. Then he joins Tony in the WM armor which Tony has made to fit Jim's brain patterns so he doesn't have to worry about him going crazy again. Together they team up to fight the Mandarin and/or his surrogates like Justin Hammer/Spymaster/Crimson Dynamo/Fing Fang Foom/Titanium Man/or whoever fits the story. Probably hold off on the ultimate IM/Mandarin showdown for IM3.

Mr_Anderson

09-28-2008, 07:23 PM

Been working on a Granov manip...posting in a few seconds.

Mr_Anderson

09-28-2008, 07:25 PM

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9814/imvswmyj2.jpg

Got this as a 1440x900 wallpaper, if anyone else wants it let me know & I'll post it up in the IM 2 manips thread.

kedrell

09-29-2008, 09:26 AM

^Very, very good Mr. Anderson.:woot:

I posted this also in the fan art thread so more people would see it.

bullets

10-01-2008, 12:12 AM

But Iron Man and War Machine are partners?

Irom Man should be them at odds and they have a battle. In Iron Man 3 , Tony gets his shht together and they team to take on the mandarin.

Colossal Spoons

10-01-2008, 04:49 AM

I have no desire to see them fight

ANTOINE X

10-01-2008, 07:39 PM

I have no desire to see them fight

Same thing for me . Iron man vs Iron man? WTF? bring me Mandarin please.:whatever:

TheVileOne

10-02-2008, 01:24 PM

Well, haven't they fought before. Isn't there a precedence for them to fight?

kedrell

10-02-2008, 01:35 PM

^Yes there is but I'd prefer them fighting each other w/o the WM armor involved. That comes later.

[A]

10-02-2008, 02:12 PM

Should Iron Man fight War Machine?
I can see some struggling, yeah..

TheVileOne

10-02-2008, 02:25 PM

Maybe they are fighting because Tony's going on a drunken bender in the armor, and War Machine has to stop him.

OR

Tony's trying to destroy his armor specs that were taken by other companies, and he goes too far, and War Machine tries to stop him.

[A]

10-02-2008, 02:39 PM

^yeah--exactly like that

Colossal Spoons

10-02-2008, 02:42 PM

Well, haven't they fought before. Isn't there a precedence for them to fight?

Yeah, but they've already changed so much already.

ANTOINE X

10-03-2008, 07:22 AM

I 'can't say Iron man has the best villains but still I Think some of them are more original then War machine. The 'Machine vs Machine' thing is too cliche for an Iron man movie. We saw that in the first one so that's enough.

http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/mandarin.jpg
http://www.leaderslair.com/thunderbolts/thunderbolts044pic1.gif
http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/controller.gif

http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/Ultimo.gif
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/stockp7.gif
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/8/88/Spymaster%28Current%29.jpg/440px-Spymaster%28Current%29.jpg

Rampage

10-03-2008, 11:58 PM

Having one fight scene between Iron Man and War Machine always seemed like a no brainer to me. This doesn't mean that it would take much focus away from the villain. Nor does it mean turning War Machine into a villain.

If the "cerebral interface" of the IM helmet was designed for Tony, but causes Jim to act out of character and start to become somewhat overzealous, what better type of incident to bring Tony back "from the brink" than the task of having to save and fight his friend?

It adds drama and conflict. Keeps these relationships organic and evolving (interesting). And provides for one hell of an action scene.

Stark "winning" the battle to save Rhodes from the negative influence of the WM armor on his brain could also drive home the point that no one can manevuer the armor quite like Tony Stark, after he outclasses Rhodes.

It's kind of disheartening that many fans here only want the most generic, predictable aspects the Stark/Rhodes relationship where the "good guys" always get along, no matter what, and the dynamic never alters, even temporarily.

EDIT: Actually, now that I've thought about it, I could see it working either way. There's no "one way" to do it.

AnorexicBatman

10-04-2008, 03:42 AM

Rampage

10-04-2008, 07:28 AM

No it's not that at all!
Tony and Rhodey have always had a brothers in arms thing going on, atleast while they have the armor on. However, we could have IM pissed off for whatever reason and goes off to do something irrational while WM tries to stop him

I have changed my stance since yesterday. I don't necessarily agree about them always having a "brothers in arms" thing "going on," considering they've fought before in the pages of War Machine comics, but I've revised my post.

Didn't mean to come off so presumptuous about the intentions or 'wants' of others.

Rampage

10-04-2008, 07:31 AM

Spider-Vader

10-04-2008, 12:23 PM

I think WM & IM should fight, but it shouldn't be the climax. They should team-up for the climax.

StylishHokie21

10-05-2008, 02:02 AM

I'm not really familiar with the comics. Why did War Machine fight with Iron Man?

Rampage

10-05-2008, 01:58 PM

I'm not really familiar with the comics. Why did War Machine fight with Iron Man?

In the War Machine series, after Tony faking his death caused a "riff" in their friendship, the two went their separate ways. Stark insisted Rhodes keep the WM armor to continue doing good in it's name.

Soon, Rhodes began killing bad guys and breaking international law on occasions when he felt he had no other choice. When the WM armor needed repairs, Rhodes and Stark were forced to confront each other. Tony disapproved over how Rhodes was utilizing the armor and the two fought for it's ownership.