"Nature Vs. Nurture" [Season Finale] Discussion Thread

[PJBoy]

Synopsis:

VENOM – On Thanksgiving, Aunt May Parker is released from the hospital, but Venom has no intention of letting May and Peter Parker enjoy a family celebration. Knowing all Spider-Man's secrets- even some Pete isn't consciously aware of- Venom threatens to destroy Pete and everyone he loves most. Will Pete embrace his destiny in time to defeat this new arch-nemesis?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can't wait for this episode! It's going to kick ass and it's going to be great seeing my favortie Villian (Venom) in a Spidey animated series again. :up:

[Hurm...]

Preview in a few hours! Stay tuned!

[Arcturus]

Overall, I think the Spectacular Spider-Man is my favorite Spider-Man animated series to date. There is not one aspect I don't like, everything has been so awesome that I am glad that I have been able to follow the series since episode 1. Greg Weisman and crew have really brought us an excellent show.

But like I said before, if there is one arc that I've been anticipating the most, it's the Venom arc. And personally, I think it's been a blast so far. And I can't wait to see Nature vs. Nurture. Because Venom is my all-time favorite villain, and it's always a joy for me to see him show up. So I can't wait for the synopsis/trailer, and most of all, the actual episode!

:up:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i cant wait for the finale next week. Man pgboy i was going to make a thread in a few hrs once the promo came out but u beat us all to the punch.

[xMaNiAx]

PJBoy has us covered with everything..lol :woot::yay:

[Web-Head]

Preview's up. All I gotta say is DAYUM.

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[Webhead2006]

looks good cant wait for finale next week.

[Arcturus]

^

WOW!

That was awesome.

[Styleshift]

I love the double sound the suit makes.

[Webhead2006]

Watching promo a few times venom/eddie voice sounds cool, venom/eddie says "We", the spider symbol does wrap around(sweet a little happy there), and the whole missing teeth thing on venom doesnt seem odd in motion(maybe those pics looked odd since it was stills).

[Stevens25]

OH MY GOD.:wow:

I can't wait!!!!:sym:

[Styleshift]

looks good cant wait for finale next week.

I was hoping for this. :woot:
The design looks GREAT in motion. and the suit is perfectly black...

[Nathan]

Not liking the design too much. I loved that still that was released a couple days ago, because he looked like he had normal proportions. But now I see the giant torso and short legs are back.

[Venom'sDad]

Not liking the design too much. I loved that still that was released a couple days ago, because he looked like he had normal proportions. But now I see the giant torso and short legs are back.
Yeah, I have to agree.

[xMaNiAx]

What's the matter Bro???

WOWZAHHS lol

[Ibn al Xu'ffasc]

Wow, I didn't like that preview at all :huh: It just seems so.... generic. I don't know. I didn't figure they'd be fighting in broad daylight on some rooftops. Could've been more epic, this beeing the season finale and all. But I've been wrong before though, judging an episode on the preview alone ("Catalysts")

[Venom'sDad]

Wow, I didn't like that preview at all :huh: It just seems so.... generic. I don't know. I didn't figure they'd be fighting in broad daylight on some rooftops. Could've been more epic, this beeing the season finale and all. But I've been wrong before though, judging an episode on the preview alone ("Catalysts")

Well the preview was just "eye-candy" for the fans. I have no reason, at this point, to doubt the magnitude and prominence of the storytelling of this episode yet. The writing has good to this point. I suspect nothing will change for the season ender.

[BizarroAids]

WOW, nice preview!! Now I'm uber excited!:woot:

It's so hard to believe we are already on the finale..seems like we just started. It's been a great ride none the less.

I like how they used the bits of Venom from the movie, in terms of the symbiote still gripping Eddies face. I always liked that. And to me his voice sounded alot cooler and different from the old S:TAS.

As sad as it is to say. Bring on the Finale.:woot:

[spida-man]

Preview's up. All I gotta say is DAYUM.

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OMFG!!!
FReakin' Awesome!!!!!!
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[PJBoy]

OMFG!! Awesome preview! I can't wait for that!

[spida-man]

OMFG!! Awesome preview! I can't wait for that!
lol

[PJBoy]

Check first post to the synopsis. ;)

[spida-man]

Check first post to the synopsis. ;)
KICK @$$!!!

[BizarroAids]

Check first post to the synopsis. ;)

Thanks bro!!

Again, as usual, you deliver the goods.:woot:

[BizarroAids]

GRRRRRRRRRR!!

Double post

[BizarroAids]

UGH! Craptastic Triple Post.

My bad.

[Spider-ManHero12]

OMG!!! The promo was amazing! I really can't wait for this episode and Venom looks like he's kicking as as usual. :wow::sym::up:

[R-Taco]

Nature vs. Nurture, yo.

[Webhead2006]

Yea its Nurture we need a mod to fix the title, Pjboy great synopsis for the season finale cant wait for it.

[Parker1989]

Oh man I'm both excited and sad, excited because Venom just looks and sounds awesome from the preview, but sad because its the season finale and we won't have any new episodes for awhile :(

[Jick09]

Not liking the design too much. I loved that still that was released a couple days ago, because he looked like he had normal proportions. But now I see the giant torso and short legs are back.

Wow, I didn't like that preview at all :huh: It just seems so.... generic. I don't know. I didn't figure they'd be fighting in broad daylight on some rooftops. Could've been more epic, this beeing the season finale and all. But I've been wrong before though, judging an episode on the preview alone ("Catalysts")
exactly my thoughts.
I'm kinda disappointed.
I can only wait...

[Styleshift]

It shows these guys listen to fans...
I haven't been disappointed yet.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It shows these guys listen to fans...
I haven't been disappointed yet. Exactly, and that's what we need. We got it with Sam Raimi, and now we have it with Greg Weisman and the rest of the cast and crew. :up:

[Metallo22]

After seeing today's episode, it's going to be a looooooong week until next Saturday.

[Webhead2006]

yea it so is. Also Again to any mobs around the second nature needs to be changed to nurture.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

What's the matter Bro???

WOWZAHHS lol

YES!!! I was hoping we'd get something like that!!!

[Gotham]

Finally! We're at Venom.

It's both sweet and bitter, unfortunately. It's the season finale. No more Spectacular for quite a bit. Saddening. But on the bright side - we'll finally see Venom and Spider-Man face off in the ultimate battle.

[Shocker 9000]

I hope that however this next episode ends, that Venom will still be around for multiple appearances next season.
I loved th 90's TAS but it was lame that Venom was only in three episodes the whole series.
I hope he's seen as a antagonist for awhile but eventually teams up with spidey :yay:

[Beanjuice]

We"re Venom!!!!

[Web-Head]

I hope that however this next episode ends, that Venom will still be around for multiple appearances next season.
I loved th 90's TAS but it was lame that Venom was only in three episodes the whole series.
I hope he's seen as a antagonist for awhile but eventually teams up with spidey :yay:
He's already scheduled to make some appearances in season two.

[Spider-ManHero12]

He's already scheduled to make some appearances in season two. How many? I recall hearing that he'll make one appearance.

[Shocker 9000]

He's already scheduled to make some appearances in season two.

How is it that people know who'll be appearing in season 2? You guys read blogs or listen to podcasts or something? I wanna know this kinda stuff.

[Webhead2006]

Well there has been interviews, other official sources, and various podcasts that did mention things they are planing to do in upcoming season. Plus for villains wise we already known molten man, kraven, mysterio, tinkerer, are some of the villains who are confirmed for appearnces.

[PJBoy]

Nature vs. Nurture, yo.
Oh, my bad. I hope some mod change it.

[PJBoy]

Nature vs. Nurture, yo.
Double post.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well there has been interviews, other official sources, and various podcasts that did mention things they are planing to do in upcoming season. Plus for villains wise we already known molten man, kraven, mysterio, tinkerer, are some of the villains who are confirmed for appearnces. Don't forget Calypso. :yay:

[Anwar]

Well to be honest I liked how TAS only used Venom in two stories. It kept his appeal from waning due to overuse or repeated defeats.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well to be honest I liked how TAS only used Venom in two stories. It kept his appeal from waning due to overuse or repeated defeats. Agreed, but I do think that he could have been used one or two more times. However, I loved the 3 epidsodes he was in.

[vinny2]

Don't forget Calypso. :yay:

And Silver Sable.

[Webhead2006]

I didnt forgot them, i was just naming a few people who we are going to be seeing.

[AIRWOLF]

Nice Promo , though not so captivating except for just the presence of Venom :sym:. I hope the episode itself turns out to be much more exciting. I only hope for presence of one scene, that of Venom scaring MJ, but I guess that won't, happen again.

[xMaNiAx]

i don't car what none of you say but that was one of the gnarlyest transformations i have ever seen on a character...

[Spider-ManHero12]

I didnt forgot them, i was just naming a few people who we are going to be seeing. Oh ok. :yay:

[Anwar]

i don't car what none of you say but that was one of the gnarlyest transformations i have ever seen on a character...

That bit where it talked to him in his head and shoved a tentacle into his cortex was nice, but I still think the TAS version where it "blobs" him and he screams like he was being eaten alive was creepier.

[Jick09]

"Spidey faces his deadliest enemy ever!"

man...it's good to hear this in that promo. I keep repeating it all the time just to hear it.

[Dread]

The preview looks a little generic, but I don't mind because the preview for episode 12 didn't showcase how awesome that episode was, so I have faith. Yeah, Venom's proportions are a little wiggy, but artists have been drawing him that way since forever. Plus, we know this show isn't afraid of showing some thrashing fight scenes.

Frankly, the confrontation between Spidey and Venom in the 90's felt a bit rushed and awkward; this feels more natural and so if anything, this version should surpass it.

John Semper should be proud, though. Without his show, this one wouldn't be possible. And he should appreciate the serial storytelling.

And the effect on Benjamin Diskin's voice is effective.

[Venomfan]

i'm disappointed:csad:, Venom sounds like a prepubescent boy trying to sound tough
and black webs (shakes fist at spidey 3)

i am however very happy they got his size right (again shakes fist at spidey 3)

[Dread]

Admittedly, the "bro" line made my skin crawl a little for the wrong reasons, but that is mostly because the memories of Matt Hill as Havok in X-MEN EVOLUTION are still too fresh.

The big question is exactly who Brock may stalk. Will he go after MJ, who he knows Peter likes but he has no emotional connection to? Or will he pick Gwen, and therefore sever the last real emotional ties he has? Part of what makes Venom work is that stalker aspect of him, and hopefully the episode captures that. Unlike many of Spider-Man's enemies who see eliminating Spider-Man as removing an obstacle, Venom was always personal. He'd show up at May's house and tease about killing her a moment's notice. He would sneak up on MJ in her bedroom and scare the **** out of her. He'd smash Black Cat's face against a wall, just 'cuz. Hopefully that sort of menace comes through. I have faith it will.

[Anwar]

There was nothing wrong with Raimi not making Venom a Gorilla in SM3, it fit that version of Brock since he was an "Evil Peter Parker" as well as an evil Spidey.

And in live-action movies you usually DO have to alter costumes because they just would look silly in reality or they lack details. They tried making a 100% accurate Black Costume but it didn't work, so they altered Venom's design as well.

[Anwar]

Admittedly, the "bro" line made my skin crawl a little for the wrong reasons, but that is mostly because the memories of Matt Hill as Havok in X-MEN EVOLUTION are still too fresh.

The big question is exactly who Brock may stalk. Will he go after MJ, who he knows Peter likes but he has no emotional connection to? Or will he pick Gwen, and therefore sever the last real emotional ties he has? Part of what makes Venom work is that stalker aspect of him, and hopefully the episode captures that. Unlike many of Spider-Man's enemies who see eliminating Spider-Man as removing an obstacle, Venom was always personal. He'd show up at May's house and tease about killing her a moment's notice. He would sneak up on MJ in her bedroom and scare the **** out of her. He'd smash Black Cat's face against a wall, just 'cuz. Hopefully that sort of menace comes through. I have faith it will.

Bah, check out what Harry was doing to Peter in his last few stories, THAT'S how you stalk and terrorize Peter Parker.

[Dread]

Bah, check out what Harry was doing to Peter in his last few stories, THAT'S how you stalk and terrorize Peter Parker.

Yeah, I know. But that was a few years later.

[Anwar]

Not too long.

Also, there was the fact that Harry had real history with Peter unlike 616 Eddie.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

I wouldn't mind seeing Venom spook MJ in some way. Would be cool if that happened and then Peter shows up and she hugs him a la ASM #300. Though that probably won't happen.

[Dread]

Not too long.

Also, there was the fact that Harry had real history with Peter unlike 616 Eddie.

Very true. That "man out of nowhere" thing with 616 Eddie Brock has always plagued him. Hence why every multi-media version tries to fix that.

I wouldn't mind seeing Venom spook MJ in some way. Would be cool if that happened and then Peter shows up and she hugs him a la ASM #300. Though that probably won't happen.

Probably not. I am more curious about if Venom will imperil MJ or Gwen (or just May). It should be noted that in early drafts of SPIDER-MAN 3, Venom kidnaps Gwen for the final showdown (which made sense because in the movie, Brock was obsessed with her), but they switched it to MJ to make it more dramatic (even if Dunst was obviously bored with her damsel routine by then). I will be curious if this episode sort of goes with that "original" draft idea.

[Sarcastic Fan]

"Spidey faces his deadliest enemy ever!"

man...it's good to hear this in that promo. I keep repeating it all the time just to hear it.

But the Green Goblin isn't in next week's episode.

[spida-man]

i'm disappointed:csad:, Venom sounds like a prepubescent boy trying to sound tough
and black webs (shakes fist at spidey 3)

i am however very happy they got his size right (again shakes fist at spidey 3)
LOL are u ever happy with anything?

[spida-man]

But the Green Goblin isn't in next week's episode.
LMAO

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Very true. That "man out of nowhere" thing with 616 Eddie Brock has always plagued him. Hence why every multi-media version tries to fix that.



True. Both Spidey and the reader are blind-sided by Venom's origin and his "reasons" for wanting to kill Spidey.

[Anwar]

Especially since the origin given wasn't how it really happened in the Sin-Eater story (the false SE didn't have his ID revealed by a rival paper, he showed up at the Bugle dressed as Sin-Eater).

[Dread]

True. Both Spidey and the reader are blind-sided by Venom's origin and his "reasons" for wanting to kill Spidey.

Personally, I always saw the "man out of nowhere" angle as making some sense because superheroes can't always be aware of the reactions of their adventures with "little people" that they never met. Plus, as Brock was a stalker, the fact that he was someone who hadn't shown up before made some realistic sense.

Unfortunately for Venom, comics, and a lot of fiction really, usually sacrifice realism for drama (and this isn't a problem if done well) and thus this always hurt Brock dramatically, especially after he exploded into superstar status almost from his first showing. Then we started getting all sorts of awkward retcons and flashbacks and character contradictions. The Sin-Eater origin was itself a retcon, showing even back then why retcons usually fail.

Brock works better when developed beforehand. USM did this a little and the 90's show and this one have done it much better. It allows him to become more of a personal threat to Spidey, which was always Venom's strength (at least since he debuted in an era when Norman Osborn was still dead). With development, Brock is more of an evolution (or devolution) than a blind-side, and it works better.

[Spider-ManHero12]

"Spidey faces his deadliest enemy ever!"

man...it's good to hear this in that promo. I keep repeating it all the time just to hear it. Yeah, I see what you mean. :up:

[Webhead2006]

Yea good thought dread. And on a side note i was just thinking with the symboite we saw it changing peter's look what if the flipside for venom the longer he is bonded to him it makes him a bigger threat and makes his body size change.

[Jick09]

But the Green Goblin isn't in next week's episode.
exactly. that's why it says "deadliest enemy" right when Spidey is facing Venom.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Personally, I always saw the "man out of nowhere" angle as making some sense because superheroes can't always be aware of the reactions of their adventures with "little people" that they never met. Plus, as Brock was a stalker, the fact that he was someone who hadn't shown up before made some realistic sense.

Unfortunately for Venom, comics, and a lot of fiction really, usually sacrifice realism for drama (and this isn't a problem if done well) and thus this always hurt Brock dramatically, especially after he exploded into superstar status almost from his first showing. Then we started getting all sorts of awkward retcons and flashbacks and character contradictions. The Sin-Eater origin was itself a retcon, showing even back then why retcons usually fail.

Brock works better when developed beforehand. USM did this a little and the 90's show and this one have done it much better. It allows him to become more of a personal threat to Spidey, which was always Venom's strength (at least since he debuted in an era when Norman Osborn was still dead). With development, Brock is more of an evolution (or devolution) than a blind-side, and it works better.

Excellent points. It really says something when each incarnation of the character is more fleshed out than the last. Venom's co-creator, David Michelinie is a good writer but his original back story for Venom is just all kinds of messed up.

On a side note, I haven't read the 2nd Sin-Eater story.

[Kal-El 8]

VENOM – On Thanksgiving, Aunt May Parker is released from the hospital, but Venom has no intention of letting May and Peter Parker enjoy a family celebration. Knowing all Spider-Man's secrets- even some Pete isn't consciously aware of- Venom threatens to destroy Pete and everyone he loves most. Will Pete embrace his destiny in time to defeat this new arch-nemesis?


Preview's up. All I gotta say is DAYUM.

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Cool

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Remember all that food aunt May was making in Persona? Maybe she's planning to have some of Peter's friends over for dinner.

[Spectacular23]

This episode is going to kick @$$ can't wait.:woot:

[Don Yoyo]

From the synopsis :

Knowing all Spider-Man's secrets- even some Pete isn't consciously aware of-

I think this is excellent. I think Venom will play on those "unconscious secrets" to screw Peter, by making things Peter fear they might happen, except that he is not aware of that fear, and so shock him twice : first by doing it, and then by making Peter realize how much he ferared that this could happen!

And my english sucks for long sentences. I should note this.

[Anwar]

Remember all that food aunt May was making in Persona? Maybe she's planning to have some of Peter's friends over for dinner.

I thought so, that was my second guess after the "she's taken on Otto as a boarder and he invited friend over".

I'm guessing Eddie will show up at dinner to mess with Peter while pretending he's still the nice boy May remembers him as.

OR

The episode and season will end with Peter and family having a nice dinner together, to give a dark and potentially disturbing story a happy ending.

[Sarcastic Fan]

exactly. that's why it says "deadliest enemy" right when Spidey is facing Venom.

The Goblin is Spidey's deadliest enemy. Venom is just a poseur.

[Ibn al Xu'ffasc]

From the synopsis :



I think this is excellent. I think Venom will play on those "unconscious secrets" to screw Peter, by making things Peter fear they might happen, except that he is not aware of that fear, and so shock him twice : first by doing it, and then by making Peter realize how much he ferared that this could happen!

And my english sucks for long sentences. I should note this.

I think they're referring to the anti-mutagen stuff spidey took from the Conners' lab. That little side plot still hasn't been resolved. Maybe venom will try to use it on spidey or something, I don't know

[Don Yoyo]

I think they're referring to the anti-mutagen stuff spidey took from the Conners' lab. That little side plot still hasn't been resolved. Maybe venom will try to use it on spidey or something, I don't know

Hum, Peter is "aware" that he still has the gene cleanser I think. I think it has more to see with his emotions and feelings. Well, I think everyone might guess what I'm talking about.

[spida-man]

Hum, Peter is "aware" that he still has the gene cleanser I think. I think it has more to see with his emotions and feelings. Well, I think everyone might guess what I'm talking about.
his love for someone perhaps?

[Anwar]

Again, the synopsis' have been exaggerated before. Peter didn't become obsessed with football in "Competition" nor did he get a swelled head in "Catalysts".

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anybody notice how when Venom pulls the Symbiote back to reveal his face, a part of the symbiote is still there on his face like in Spidey3? That's so awesome! :up:

[Styleshift]

Anybody notice how when Venom pulls the Symbiote back to reveal his face, a part of the symbiote is still there on his face like in Spidey3? That's so awesome! :up:

Yup. Looks like they've kept all the good elements from everything that is Spider-man. :yay:

I am SO glad he is NOT just evil Peter Parker anymore. he's his own person...even if insecure.

[Webhead2006]

Hey mods we still need the second nature changed to nuture.

[Spectacular23]

i love to see how venom develop he doesn't look as bad as i thought he would. Nice.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yup. Looks like they've kept all the good elements from everything that is Spider-man. :yay:

I am SO glad he is NOT just evil Peter Parker anymore. he's his own person...even if insecure. Yeah, and that basically makes this show (so far) the greatest Spidey animated series ever.

[MikeFrost]

i'm disappointed:csad:, Venom sounds like a prepubescent boy trying to sound tough
and black webs (shakes fist at spidey 3)

i am however very happy they got his size right (again shakes fist at spidey 3)

You haven't seen the episode yet. You can't judge that. Remember when the people were saying that Goblin had an irish accent ?

Also, on this weeks episode, when Brock merged with the symbiote, the vocal tone of the symbiote went into a wide array of pitches. There was a really deep one when the symbiote said "Bond with us, Eddie Brock. Mind, body and soul".

I think that the more boyish dialogue is when Eddie has his face showing. The promos are known to take lines and to put them in another context to make up excitement. The hole "We are VENOM!" line might be said when Eddie is showing.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i have seen that happen in promos for many tv shows they show one thing but what we get is totally different. If you are a smallville fan u know what i mean.

[Jick09]

The Goblin is Spidey's deadliest enemy. Venom is just a poseur.why? because he is connected to Peter? because he is father of a friend of Peter? because he killed Gwen?
because you're saying so?
any villain could have done the same if aware of Peter's secret.
and it's not from Goblin that Peter run away so many times during his fights or even tried to ask help from others superheroes. because he knows Venom is superior. Spidey shakes over Venom's presence. Goblin is not Spidey's deadliest enemy. Venom is more.
and don't get me started, I won't discuss about such a silly thing. Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom...they're all great in their own ways. they're the top 3.

[xMaNiAx]

Yea i have seen that happen in promos for many tv shows they show one thing but what we get is totally different. If you are a smallville fan u know what i mean.

i get you webehead.. im a smallville "geek" lol

[Webhead2006]

Yea i love that show to death even the good and bad parts of the show. But lets get back to SSM talk.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

This looks like a nice blend of source material. Eddie's face has the cool sticky look of the movies, his tendrils make me think of Ultimate Venom, and he has that good 616 build to him. He's even got the overlapping voices going on from the 90's cartoon. Next Saturday couldn't come sooner.

[Joker]

The Goblin is Spidey's deadliest enemy. Venom is just a poseur.

Correct.

Venom is overrated.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Correct.

Venom is overrated.

I'd say he's untapped potential. Yes, even within a McFarlane (or Liefeld) character there's such a thing. :cwink:

He probably doesn't deserve his fame, but how many villains do? Not every guy can drop the hero's girl off of a bridge, y'know. You'd probably place him in the category he's in here (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5604413.html), but at least he's relevant to Peter. When's the last time Mysterio could claim the same thing? Yet alot of people wanted Mysterio in SM3 despite that. Eddie's not the only Spidey villain that rides on the cool/nostalgia factor. Still, I'd be lying if I said I'm impressed by the average Venom story. But I adamantly believe that there's no such thing as a bad character, just bad writing. We just need to see more people step up to the plate and make him do something memorable.

Plus, I like sci-fi. But it's mostly because he's relevant.

[Joker]

I'd say he's untapped potential. Yes, even within a McFarlane (or Liefeld) character there's such a thing. :cwink:

The Venom in this series is the first time I have actually bought Brock's reasons for wanting revenge on Spider-Man. I mean you can really see why he would dislike Peter so much.

You don't need to spin the lame reasoning that he's crazy or delusional etc. Stuff like that is not a good basis for a personal feud between hero and villain. It works so much better when the feud is based on something real, and there's a solid connection between the two characters before they become enemies.

So, I hope to see some of this untapped potential, now he's in the hands of some excellent writers.

He probably doesn't deserve his fame, but how many villains do? Not every guy can drop the hero's girl off of a bridge, y'know.

It's not even that. Norman's most famous act was killing Gwen, yes. But Norman has done lots of other stuff to show he's deadly. He has used the knowledge of Peter's identity in many ways to screw with him.

Brock has not. He has not been involved in the death of anyone close to Peter. Never seriously hurt anyone close to Peter. Never really been involved in any hallmark moments in Spidey's life.

So, it always boggles the mind when some people claim he's the best. You gotta' wonder what they're basing it on. Norman and even Doc Ock have put Peter thru more hardship than Venom has. Venom has even fought with Spidey several times.

I hope this show keeps him a villain. I loathe the anti-hero plotline.

You'd probably place him in the category he's in here (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5604413.html), but at least he's relevant to Peter. When's the last time Mysterio could claim the same thing? Yet alot of people wanted Mysterio in SM3 despite that.

People wanted Mysterio? I thought Lizard was the fan favourite for SM-3 after Conners was introduced in the 2nd one...

Eddie's not the only Spidey villain that rides on the cool/nostalgia factor. Still, I'd be lying if I said I'm impressed by the average Venom story. But I adamantly believe that there's no such thing as a bad character, just bad writing. We just need to see more people step up to the plate and make him do something memorable.

Plus, I like sci-fi. But it's mostly because he's relevant.

I don't disagree with that. But, Eddie is the only villain who gets ranked with the A-list because of the cool/nostalgia factor.

[Styleshift]

Hum, Peter is "aware" that he still has the gene cleanser I think. I think it has more to see with his emotions and feelings. Well, I think everyone might guess what I'm talking about.

oh yeah definitely. the way that scene was set up sounded very much like a homage to asm 100.

they teased fans with that feeling that he was going to get rid of his powers so he could be normal because he was fed up with no rewards for being spidey only anguish.

I think its just there to set up the 6 armed Spider-man arc.
Venom just seems more like the stalker type. he can push spidey around and its torture to always have to look over your shoulder for someone. eddie can show up anywhere at get togethers... remember everyone at this point still believes eddie is a great guy. (except for mj.) I'm not sure where pete stands with Doc connors but Martha thinks Pete is a young jerk. :csad:

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Styleshift, good point. MJ is the only know who knows Brock isn't right. I wonder if Eddie will play up the nice guy thing in front of people. Would be interesting to see Peter and MJ see right through it.

[Grievous]

The Goblin is Spidey's deadliest enemy. Venom is just a poseur.
Goblin and Venom are the same in my book I like them both But I like Venom more.

[Arcturus]

I really like Venom's distorted voice, especially when he says "What's the matter bro?".

:up:

[AIRWOLF]

Goblin and Venom are the same in my book I like them both But I like Venom more.


Pretty much the same here.

[Anwar]

When Venom ditches the "protect the innocent" garbage and starts using his knowledge of Peter to truly terrorize him and his loved ones, then I'll take him more seriously.

[Arcturus]

Edit- Wrong thread!

:hehe:

[Venomfan]

hey Joker i thought you liked the 90's TAS motivation for Brock?

[AIRWOLF]

Well technically Venom can be the "deadliest", while Goblin can take the most "formidable" title, ok now everyones happy.

[Arcturus]

I wonder if Eddie will show up at Parkers home, like in the comics. Seeing as SSM has been making numerous nods to the original comics. I certainlly hope he'll show up.

[Spiderine]

There is no doubt that Norman/Green goblin has had the greatest impact of any villain in Peter's life.

[AIRWOLF]

What I would prefer is for Eddie to show up as Venom in front of MJ like in the comics, probably because she called Eddie less of a man.

[Spiderine]

What I would prefer is for Eddie to show up as Venom in front of MJ like in the comics, probably because she called Eddie less of a man.
Yeah, as long as he doesn't say Hi Honey i'm home.

[AIRWOLF]

Yeah, as long as he doesn't say Hi Honey i'm home.

Don't worry, that won't happen :), they aren't married, yet.

[Arcturus]

There is no doubt that Norman/Green goblin has had the greatest impact of any villain in Peter's life.

Well, Green Goblin is Spider-Mans arch enemy.

[Spiderine]

Don't worry, that won't happen :), they aren't married, yet.
I know. Some people on these boards thinks it would be cool to hear him say that to MJ for what ever reason.

[Syncos]

This looks like a nice blend of source material. Eddie's face has the cool sticky look of the movies, his tendrils make me think of Ultimate Venom, and he has that good 616 build to him. He's even got the overlapping voices going on from the 90's cartoon. Next Saturday couldn't come sooner.

yeah...... "cool"... :whatever:

[Webhead2006]

what if they did a spin on that hi honey i home line to peter finds brock at the parker home and he goes "Hi bro I'm home" or something to that degree.

[Don Yoyo]

The Venom in this series is the first time I have actually bought Brock's reasons for wanting revenge on Spider-Man. I mean you can really see why he would dislike Peter so much.

You don't need to spin the lame reasoning that he's crazy or delusional etc.

Yeah, this version of Eddie reminds me of the USM one, except that this time, Spider-Man/Peter didn't give him any kind of explanation on why he had to destroy the suit. Nothing at all. So yeah I understand why he would hate Spider-Man. Peter acted stupidly here for me, I could even say he is selfis, trying to play the "hero who knows more than you"... the suit is not his, he should at least give an explanation to Connors before doing anything.

[Joker]

hey Joker i thought you liked the 90's TAS motivation for Brock?

I do. I liked how he and Peter knew eachother before becoming Venom. How he lost his job, his apartment, was humiliated by Spidey, even though it was all Brock's own fault. All much better than the BS of 616.

But this version in SSM trumps them all. Eddie didn't do anything wrong, and he's still getting shafted. He didn't fake photographs, or frame anyone, choose the wrong source for a news story etc. He just had a string of bad events happen to him, and it honestly looked like Peter/Spider-Man was to blame for them.

You can really buy why Eddie would be pissed off without calling him insane or delusional. It's great. I love it.

[Anwar]

Yeah but in the end he still screwed himself. He saw that the symbiote was still alive and he could keep his job but instead he released it (meaning he ruined his last chance himself) and bonded with it. So in the end he still screwed himself over.

[AIRWOLF]

Well of course he did, he has to become Venom one way or the other lol.

[Spiderine]

Yeah but in the end he still screwed himself. He saw that the symbiote was still alive and he could keep his job but instead he released it (meaning he ruined his last chance himself) and bonded with it. So in the end he still screwed himself over.
He probably would have but he felt the sym calling out to him and got curious. The sym was feeding on that hatred and negative vibe. It took Peter every ounce of fight he had to get it off unlike Eddie who will embrace it and easily be influenced by the sym. To bad there's no Uncle Ben mentor to help Eddie.

[Spiderine]

I do. I liked how he and Peter knew eachother before becoming Venom. How he lost his job, his apartment, was humiliated by Spidey, even though it was all Brock's own fault. All much better than the BS of 616.

But this version in SSM trumps them all. Eddie didn't do anything wrong, and he's still getting shafted. He didn't fake photographs, or frame anyone, choose the wrong source for a news story etc. He just had a string of bad events happen to him, and it honestly looked like Peter/Spider-Man was to blame for them.

You can really buy why Eddie would be pissed off without calling him insane or delusional. It's great. I love it.
I absolutely agree. He has always been a victim of his own pathetic downfall and wanted to put blame solely on Peter/Spiderman.Whether it was TAS,Comics, or that lame Gopher Grace in SM3. Result being a ravaging viscious killing machine set on revenge for Spiderman. At least this version puts things in a different perpective.

[Spider-ManHero12]

what if they did a spin on that hi honey i home line to peter finds brock at the parker home and he goes "Hi bro I'm home" or something to that degree. That would be so cool. It would be new, but it would also be a homage as well. :up:

[xMaNiAx]

That would be so cool. It would be new, but it would also be a homage as well. :up:

yeah and this show is known for doing that ex. Intervention lol

[AIRWOLF]

That would be so cool. It would be new, but it would also be a homage as well. :up:


Yes that'll be nice. But it would be much better after Venom-Spider confrontation. Peter fights with Venom/Eddie, goes home to Aunt May and sees Eddie Brock sitting there on the sofa.

[Anwar]

I absolutely agree. He has always been a victim of his own pathetic downfall and wanted to put blame solely on Peter/Spiderman.Whether it was TAS,Comics, or that lame Gopher Grace in SM3. Result being a ravaging viscious killing machine set on revenge for Spiderman. At least this version puts things in a different perpective.

It's still the same, he's still blaming Peter for stuff that aren't really that bad or his fault. Only this time it isn't TOTALLY Brock's own fault that bad stuff happened to him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

yeah and this show is known for doing that ex. Intervention lol Indeed, and in alot of other episodes as well.

[AIRWOLF]

It's still the same, he's still blaming Peter for stuff that aren't really that bad or his fault. Only this time it isn't TOTALLY Brock's own fault that bad stuff happened to him.

It is not entirely the same, why do you have to complain so much. The creators have said it already the guy is screwed in the head but this time he has legitimate reason to be angry at Peter/Spider-man. Every villain has a fault which is why they turn to "Villainy". You can't expect Brock to be Mr. Goody-2-shoes with all his problems. If things go your way, then there would be no villain, every one has had a chance to do the right thing but they didn't. Sandman could just go and say "heck with the robbing, i'm getting a job", same for Rhino. Norman could say no to Hammerhead, and if he gets killed for rejecting Big-Man, then die a good guy. Ock could just let go of his dream and get decent job if not in science. Point is bad things happen to people, some have the courage & brains to go through them and do the right thing, others well you got Goblin, Ock, Sandman and Venom as your answer.

[Anwar]

Difference being none of those guys were portrayed as really decent or good people to begin with so it makes sense they'd just continue the ambitions and lives they had once they got their powers. Eddie, we're expected to believe that he can go from Peter's lifelong friend to his bitter enemy in like 2 months even though he now knows the truth behind Peter's actions and his situation isn't all that bad (boo-hoo, Brock lost one job. Just go get another one since the Connors' would likely give him a good reference).

[Syncos]

Difference being none of those guys were portrayed as really decent or good people to begin with so it makes sense they'd just continue the ambitions and lives they had once they got their powers. Eddie, we're expected to believe that he can go from Peter's lifelong friend to his bitter enemy in like 2 months even though he now knows the truth behind Peter's actions and his situation isn't all that bad (boo-hoo, Brock lost one job. Just go get another one since the Connors' would likely give him a good reference).

Were you watching the episode? The symbiote only showed Eddie negative things about Peter/Spider-man. He -doesn't- know the truth behind peters actions. He knows what the Symbiote is telling him. Which is enough to get him into the head of Peter, not enough to make him sympathize with him.

[Anwar]

I know, I'm the one who posted a few pages back that the montage the symbiote showed him was all the bad stuff and none of the good.

I'm just saying, if I'm wrong, then Brock again is just blinded by character stupidity. Okay, he's young and has a volcanic temper so I can sort of let that slide.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

He did lose his job, but he also lost out on his education. He mentions that he won't be able to attend ESU without his job at the lab. So we're not just talking about losing his job. He sees Spider-Man as being the direct reason why he's up a creek without a paddle. Add to that Peter's merciless reaction and Brock finding out that Peter's Spidey, and I think he has a valid reason for hating him.

[Anwar]

Yeah, but it's not the end of the world losing ONE job. He can always find another job fast enough that he wouldn't have to drop out, or he drops out for a little while to find another job.

As for Spidey, the symbiote was still alive so if Eddie had just left it there he'd be employed again and just tell the Connors Spidey brought it back. Problem solved.

So again, if he keeps whining about how Spidey "destroyed" him he gets no sympathy from me because he DID have one more chance after Spidey "ruined" it and he blew it all on his own.

[Webhead2006]

Hey mobs the title still needs to be fixed for the thread the second nature needs to be changed to nurture.

[Syncos]

Yeah, but it's not the end of the world losing ONE job. He can always find another job fast enough that he wouldn't have to drop out, or he drops out for a little while to find another job.

As for Spidey, the symbiote was still alive so if Eddie had just left it there he'd be employed again and just tell the Connors Spidey brought it back. Problem solved.

So again, if he keeps whining about how Spidey "destroyed" him he gets no sympathy from me because he DID have one more chance after Spidey "ruined" it and he blew it all on his own.

of course it's just speculation, but we don't know the details of eddies stay at university. It's quite possible that working for the ESU lab was like some sort of deal with the school so that he had a break when it came to tuition, or worked as some sort of bursary. I don't know a lot about the fictional ESU, or much about secondary education in the states. But here in Nova Scotia, a good university can run about $16,000 easy a year. Yer not gonna pick that up flipping burgers.

[Anwar]

Eddie specifically said he needed the job for the money, so I guess that's the sticking point.

And seeing how Peter managed to make it through graduate school in 616 despite his perpetual financial problems I don't think Eddie would've been that bad off if he got another job that didn't exactly pay a lab assistant's salary.

[Venomfan]

It's still the same, he's still blaming Peter for stuff that aren't really that bad or his fault. Only this time it isn't TOTALLY Brock's own fault that bad stuff happened to him.
pretty much all of Spideys villains hate him for things that are their own fault, Venom just gets the majority of the flaming

[AIRWOLF]

pretty much all of Spideys villains hate him for things that are their own fault, Venom just gets the majority of the flaming


I guess it's because he's too popular.

Difference being none of those guys were portrayed as really decent or good people to begin with so it makes sense they'd just continue the ambitions and lives they had once they got their powers. Eddie, we're expected to believe that he can go from Peter's lifelong friend to his bitter enemy in like 2 months even though he now knows the truth behind Peter's actions and his situation isn't all that bad (boo-hoo, Brock lost one job. Just go get another one since the Connors' would likely give him a good reference).

All the more reason to feel for the guy, things happened which he couldn't get over. So, I would stress my point again that some people handle the worst with optimism and courage while others just go the wrong way, so why do you feel the need to point finger at Eddie to be the Saint of them all?

[SalaciousVC]

From the first images I saw a while back of Spectacular Venom,I was a little meh,But I gotta say from that little preview of the next episode alone,It looks Pretty Awesome in Motion

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes that'll be nice. But it would be much better after Venom-Spider confrontation. Peter fights with Venom/Eddie, goes home to Aunt May and sees Eddie Brock sitting there on the sofa. I would love to see that. If you ask me, that's classic Eddie Brock/Venom.

[xMaNiAx]

yeah that'd be wicked

[Anwar]

I guess it's because he's too popular.



All the more reason to feel for the guy, things happened which he couldn't get over. So, I would stress my point again that some people handle the worst with optimism and courage while others just go the wrong way, so why do you feel the need to point finger at Eddie to be the Saint of them all?

Because he's the one who keeps whining about it the most, and his anti-hero phase wrecked him for me. He blathers on about "innocents" while killing those same innocents and not thinking twice. You'd never see Norman or Ock on about that. Even Harry.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wonder how this episode will end? I would be so cool if they have a homage to ASM Issue #316 where Spidey tells the Symbiote to come onto him (onto Peter). So basically, he was lurring the Symbiote onto him into that Issue, but it was basically a trick to defeat Brock.

[samsnee]

Not wowed by the preview or voice, but I admit, I thought the same when I saw the preview for the first GG ep, and that was pretty awesome.

[AIRWOLF]

Because he's the one who keeps whining about it the most, and his anti-hero phase wrecked him for me. He blathers on about "innocents" while killing those same innocents and not thinking twice. You'd never see Norman or Ock on about that. Even Harry.


Well now you're jumping onto the comics about which I most honestly agree.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Somehow I don't think Spidey will be cracking his usual jokes in this ep, or at least not as many. The foe he's up against was a good friend. Was. And no, Eddie gets no pity from me. He screwed up by letting the alien out and opting for revenge.

[Spiderine]

He will probably spend the majority of the time trying to convince Eddie to fight the temptation of the sym.

[Anwar]

Or he might just accept that Brock's a whiner who sealed his own fate and work on how to anticipate his next move.

[Kal-El 8]

Brock get's no sympathy from me . He should've just left the symbiote alone to present to The Conners to keep his job .

[MikeFrost]

Yeah, but it's not the end of the world losing ONE job. He can always find another job fast enough that he wouldn't have to drop out, or he drops out for a little while to find another job.

You say it like its easy. You don't know how many was he earning on Conners lab but normally stuff related to science and health gives out some very good earnings.
He could be unemployed and never find a good job to pay for his bills. The hole power seduction is just a hole easier way to get money while getting back at your hated old friend.


All the more reason to feel for the guy, things happened which he couldn't get over. So, I would stress my point again that some people handle the worst with optimism and courage while others just go the wrong way, so why do you feel the need to point finger at Eddie to be the Saint of them all?

This is very true.
Remember that we're talking about the show here. I agree with you that his motives were crap in the comics.

[Spider-ManHero12]

You say it like its easy. You don't know how many was he earning on Conners lab but normally stuff related to science and health gives out some very good earnings.
He could be unemployed and never find a good job to pay for his bills. The hole power seduction is just a hole easier way to get money while getting back at your hated old friend. Exactly, and he could be passionate about it.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

It would be great if Spidey tells Brock to grow a set of balls and stop being emo.

[spida-man]

It would be great if Spidey tells Brock to grow a set of balls and stop being emo.
lol or a line like "dude, and u told me not to go all emo, what happened to u?"

[Webhead2006]

lol that would be funny.

[Anwar]

You say it like its easy. You don't know how many was he earning on Conners lab but normally stuff related to science and health gives out some very good earnings.
He could be unemployed and never find a good job to pay for his bills. The hole power seduction is just a hole easier way to get money while getting back at your hated old friend.


But Eddie hasn't even tried yet, he acts like his life is over due to this without even really experiencing any true despair. That's pretty spineless, I mean Peter hasn't let his money problems get him down he actively works to overcome them and he stands to lose more than Eddie right now. And Eddie doesn't even have money problems yet!

[Anwar]

It would be great if Spidey tells Brock to grow a set of balls and stop being emo.

I was half-expecting Evil Peter to mimic Norman and say "You whine more than Harry!" when he slammed Brock at the Hospital.

[Spider-ManHero12]

lol or a line like "dude, and u told me not to go all emo, what happened to u?" That would be so funny! :woot::up:

[MikeFrost]

But Eddie hasn't even tried yet, he acts like his life is over due to this without even really experiencing any true despair. That's pretty spineless, I mean Peter hasn't let his money problems get him down he actively works to overcome them and he stands to lose more than Eddie right now. And Eddie doesn't even have money problems yet!

Some people are like that.:cwink:

[xMaNiAx]

That would be so funny! :woot::up:

lol yeah..:woot:

[ReggieWhiteJr]

lol or a line like "dude, and u told me not to go all emo, what happened to u?"

That's even better!!!:woot:

[Toxin]

People seem to disregard the fact that without his job, Eddie implied he would no longer be able to attend college. Some people's entire lives, passions, and futures hinge on their education. Nor should we forget the expenses of college and the work put into it. I couldn't imagine having that taken away.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i know the feeling i only have two more sesmters to go before i graduate with my bachlors degree if i didnt have finical aid/loans i wouldnt be going to the school i am at currently.

[Webzpinner]

Also, remember that Brock has no family. His parents died in the same crash as Peter's. Brock didn't have an Aunt May or Uncle Ben, so he had a different upbringing, even if he was a good friend of Pete's (another thing he is probably jealous of). Everything he had is now gone, and he's proven previously that he cannot handle stress very well and has an anger management problem, so when you remove the inhibitions and magnify the anger (Which is what the alien does), Venom becomes a locomotive.

Still a weak longterm motive, but as long as the costume can fuel Brock's hatred and control him, Venom can keep on going.

[November Rain]

Does anyone think the dna cleanser they made for the lizard is going to help spidey get the symbiote off of eddie if they have a permanent bond?

[Anwar]

People seem to disregard the fact that without his job, Eddie implied he would no longer be able to attend college. Some people's entire lives, passions, and futures hinge on their education. Nor should we forget the expenses of college and the work put into it. I couldn't imagine having that taken away.

It'd be understandable if he actually WAS unable to get more work or we started seeing him undergo severe financial problems that made him drop out. As it stands, he's given up before even trying to overcome this obstacle.

[November Rain]

If college actually was his life, the show could have at least shown how much it meant to him.

perhaps instead of having that crazy rant with mj, he could have alluded that getting lost in his studies was the only thing that helped him deal with his parent's death with MJ and following in his father's work would mean the world to him.

then one could relate more to why it would mean so much to him.

Personally, I think it would have been much better if spidey made it look like eddie stole the symbiote in the first place pretty much tainting his ability to ever work in a research lab again and forever stopping him from following down his paren'ts footsteps...

[ironman29758]

any pictures yet

[Web-Head]

any pictures yet
Not until tomorrow.

[xMaNiAx]

i can't wait until we get some pictures.. i wanna see a full body shot of Venom...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not much longer until we get some pictures. :word::up:

[Nathan]

If college actually was his life, the show could have at least shown how much it meant to him.

perhaps instead of having that crazy rant with mj, he could have alluded that getting lost in his studies was the only thing that helped him deal with his parent's death with MJ and following in his father's work would mean the world to him.

then one could relate more to why it would mean so much to him.

Personally, I think it would have been much better if spidey made it look like eddie stole the symbiote in the first place pretty much tainting his ability to ever work in a research lab again and forever stopping him from following down his paren'ts footsteps...

Now that would've been a great way to do it. :up:

[Spiderine]

If college actually was his life, the show could have at least shown how much it meant to him.

perhaps instead of having that crazy rant with mj, he could have alluded that getting lost in his studies was the only thing that helped him deal with his parent's death with MJ and following in his father's work would mean the world to him.

then one could relate more to why it would mean so much to him.

Personally, I think it would have been much better if spidey made it look like eddie stole the symbiote in the first place pretty much tainting his ability to ever work in a research lab again and forever stopping him from following down his paren'ts footsteps...
I will admit, that would have been a great idea. You would have really felt how devastating that was for Eddie.

[Venomfan]

i'm actually not a fan of making Eddie a sympathic character, i like him as a jerk through and through

[Webhead2006]

I see no mod has fixed the title of the thread yet, second nature needs to be changed to nurture.

[xMaNiAx]

I see no mod has fixed the title of the thread yet, second nature needs to be changed to nurture.

yeah webhead i totally agree it's been bothering me lol

[Webhead2006]

Yea a bunch of us has been asking for a mod to fix the title for the last few days now.

[hpwiz89]

I wonder if it will ever be changed...but it should.

[FNSpidey]

I really don't get all this talk about "Eddie lost everything" and "this is the most believable portrayal of Venom".

Why cannot people grasp the simple fact that Eddie lost NOTHING? The sumbiote's back and alive! Se he can keep working in Connors' lab and keep attending college. Plus the fact that he gets to study an alien organism is sure to give him a great reputation and credentials!

Is that a man who lost everything? Can anyone honestly say they wouldn't want to be in his place? Nothing's wrong with his life and his future seems as bright as ever!

Yet for NO REASON at all, he himself steals the symbiote, ruining his job and future and neither Pete nor Spidey have the slightest thing to do with that. And he still goes to take revenge from somebody who ultimately did nothing to him, because well, the writers say he's unstable and the symbiote makes him do it. Exactly those reasons that people say they supposedly hate!

I'm not bashing the show, I love everything except their symbiote handling. But this is very odd, it's the most obvious thing and some people seem unable to grasp it...

[sauronthegreat]

Maybe he thinks he lost everything. It's his pessimistic character. There are people like that. And we must take in consideration that here the symbiote developed a conscious of it's own in showing Eddie what it wanted for him to see about Peter, for a sole purpose and that's a hatred towards it's previous host.

[varsas]

Is that a man who lost everything? Can anyone honestly say they wouldn't want to be in his place? Nothing's wrong with his life and his future seems as bright as ever!

Yet for NO REASON at all, he himself steals the symbiote, ruining his job and future and neither Pete nor Spidey have the slightest thing to do with that. And he still goes to take revenge from somebody who ultimately did nothing to him, because well, the writers say he's unstable and the symbiote makes him do it. Exactly those reasons that people say they supposedly hate!

Tbh in every incarnation Eddie could have sorted himself out instead of blaming Spidey/Peter.

Eddie doesn't intentionally steal the symbiote. He gets incredibly angry and then finds the symbiote alive, his anger subsides to a degree and curiousity leads to his coming into contact with it, the symbiote then manipulates memories passed to him from Peter and manipulates Eddie leading to a continued boiling over of anger -> Venom.

[FNSpidey]

^^ So in the end it's simply the symbiote that makes him bad...

And this is not a case of sorting himself out. He has nothing to sort out. All would be well for him if he just left the symbiote where it was.

[xMaNiAx]

no pics yet?, damn =(

[varsas]

^^ So in the end it's simply the symbiote that makes him bad...

And this is not a case of sorting himself out. He has nothing to sort out. All would be well for him if he just left the symbiote where it was.

No I don't think so because the basis is Eddie's barely controllable rage; the symbiote merely twists and amplifies that aspect of his character so that it is not controllable.

You're right regarding this incident but generally Eddie has a emotional problems that do need sorting out.

[November Rain]

This whole 'emotional problem angle' can't be used as evidence, he has one out of character scene in group theraphy which could almost be counted as 'out of cannon' because it relates to nothing else in the show, nor is his sanity every questioned?

I mean would a mentally unstable person really get a job in a world class research facility looking at alien lifeforms????

[Nathan]

If he'd really be emotionally unstable, he'd throw a tantrum every time he's unable to solve a problem. Or at least act tense. But they actually showed him getting angry over stuff, any other person would get angry about.

- Peter didn't help Doc Conners and took pictures to win a contest.
- Gwen told Eddie that Peter wasn't going to the dance, yet he showed up with another hottie.
- Angry at Pete because he took pictures and didn't call the cops.

But for some reason all that minor stuff is enough for him to switch into psycho mode, talk about making Peter lose something important, endangering traffic and scaring MJ.

[AIRWOLF]

This whole 'emotional problem angle' can't be used as evidence, he has one out of character scene in group theraphy which could almost be counted as 'out of cannon' because it relates to nothing else in the show, nor is his sanity every questioned?

I mean would a mentally unstable person really get a job in a world class research facility looking at alien lifeforms????


In any case, its not really out of place for Eddie to get a job there. Not every mental person makes it evident that they have an illness. That's not a realistic question though, there could be many people working in high-ranked positions. Isn't Bush the president running the country :whatever:.

Even so, I don't see why you all feel the need to attack Eddie, if you don't like the guy, just say it. Loads of other people have had a chance to make amends but they wouldn't be villains then now would they? Harry could just as easily forget about being popular or seeking others attention, take it like a man and stop whining: no need to become another Goblin. Doesn't matters if their good side was hinted or not, that's no excuse.

Just try and enjoy the show for the way it is, trust me if you stop looking for perfection; you'll enjoy it more.

[varsas]

You can be an emotional person and have anger issues without being "insane" or "emotionally unstable". Imho there has been enough to show that Eddie does have a problem getting more angry than is normal and letting go of his anger.

I don't have a problem with Eddie being reckless with MJ on the motorcyle but I do agree that some of his lines e.g. the taking something important was extreme given what we had previously seen.

[Webhead2006]

We will likely be getting some pics online later today if not then most likely tomorrow.

[xMaNiAx]

good i can't wait..

[Sarcastic Fan]

I mean would a mentally unstable person really get a job in a world class research facility looking at alien lifeforms????

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg

[Webhead2006]

haha SF.

[Spider-ManHero12]

no pics yet?, damn =( I'm sure there will be some soon. :up:

[Webhead2006]

Yea we will likely get something by later tonight if not then wensday. I guess the regular sites we get pics from are busy today. Today is the NY licesing show so many alot of the site runners were attending that event today and that could be hold up.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea we will likely get something by later tonight if not then wensday. I guess the regular sites we get pics from are busy today. Today is the NY licesing show so many alot of the site runners were attending that event today and that could be hold up. Yeah, and I wonder what kind of Venom pics we'll get? As I said, I would love to see a fully body shot of Venom and I would love to see Venom with the Symbiote mask pulled back.

[xMaNiAx]

yeah defintely ^^

[Web-Head]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg
:D Sad really, but true.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Sarcastic Fan http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14993660#post14993660)
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg
Lol. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

So i see nothing still? hopefully something tonight if not we got couple more days to the episode airs so we have plently of time.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So i see nothing still? hopefully something tonight if not we got couple more days to the episode airs so we have plently of time. Yeah, I'll go check a couple of websites.

[IamProdigy]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg

...you must be a democrat?

[Sarcastic Fan]

...you must be a democrat?

I love it when people try and pigeonhole.

Not a Democrat at all. I'm a Libertarian. Supported McCain in 2000, and will be voting for him this time. And as someone who leans to the right, I will say that Bush was an embarrassment.

If McCain had gotten the nomination in 2000, which he didn't because Bush told everyone he had a "black baby," we wouldn't be having the problems we have now.

[Spiderine]

Just try and enjoy the show for the way it is, trust me if you stop looking for perfection; you'll enjoy it more.
Couldn't have said it better.

[Hurm...]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpegHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!LMA:woot:!

[Webhead2006]

So i guess still no pics huh?

[Venom 1988]

I'm surprised the Mods haven't fixed the title of this thread yet lol

[Webhead2006]

Yea really Mods were are you guys, we have asked for awhile to fix the title.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm surprised the Mods haven't fixed the title of this thread yet lol Yeah, They should have noticed by now.

[Captain Planet!]

Mods don't venture to this here part of the boards.

[Spiderine]

I hope you all don't lose any sleep over it.

[Webhead2006]

Well i made a mistake with the title when i made the episode 11 thread and it was fixed pretty quickly. Come on mods where did u guys go.

[Spiderine]

Well i made a mistake with the title when i made the episode 11 thread and it was fixed pretty quickly. Come on mods where did u guys go.
Oh. My bad.

[hpwiz89]

I want pictures. :cmad:

[Webhead2006]

Well people were probably busy attending that ny licesing show event today as i was thinking could be a reason. If nothing is shows up tonight we got tomorrow-friday for pics to show up.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I want pictures. :cmad:


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/THEDARKNESS14914/the-spectacular-spider-man-20080606.jpg
You did say you wanted pictures. :oldrazz:

[Webhead2006]

that pic was release last week.

[Webzpinner]

I love it when people try and pigeonhole.

Not a Democrat at all. I'm a Libertarian. Supported McCain in 2000, and will be voting for him this time. And as someone who leans to the right, I will say that Bush was an embarrassment.

If McCain had gotten the nomination in 2000, which he didn't because Bush told everyone he had a "black baby," we wouldn't be having the problems we have now.

You call Bush an embarrassment, but support McCain... hmm... that's rich. Bush and McCain are both liberals. In 2008, we get either a far Marxist socialist (Obama) or a liberal democrat-in-republican-clothing. As an independent conservative (I can't tell the difference between the two primary parties anymore), I see neither option particularly appealing. It's like someone asking which arm you want cut off. I'd prefer neither.

I'm sitting this election out. Hopefully america will wake up after Obama or McCain destroys the country, and we'll get a REAL leader of the free world.

Anyway, back to topic....

I've read rumors that MJ finds out Pete is spidey in this episode... if so, you think Venom will pull a "Spider-Man 3" and kidnap MJ to force a confrontation? (possibly also to avenge Gwen, who was ignored by Peter)

[xMaNiAx]

that pic was release last week.

it was a joke webz

[Webhead2006]

ah ok, and that rumor about mj was just that it was bull wiki crap.

[Spider-ManHero12]

that pic was release last week. Indeed, but it is still awesome to look at. :up:

[ReggieWhiteJr]

It would be funny if Spidey threw the line that Brock threw at him in ep 4 "Don't go all emo on me, bro."

[Webhead2006]

yea some one was thinking that too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, lol, but it really is funny to think about. :grin:

[Grievous]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/THEDARKNESS14914/the-spectacular-spider-man-20080606.jpg
You did say you wanted pictures. :oldrazz:
nice

[Webhead2006]

Yea it is a nice venom photo hopefully we will get photos from the episode this coming saturday tomorrow since today was nothing. As i was thinking it was probably due to the NY licesing show that was going on today and probably alot of those sites we get pics from CC or toonzone or ign were covering the event today.

[hpwiz89]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/THEDARKNESS14914/the-spectacular-spider-man-20080606.jpg
You did say you wanted pictures. :oldrazz:

Ha Ha :oldrazz:

[Grievous]

I wonder if Venom will be the villian to beat spidey up the most this season?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wonder if Venom will be the villian to beat spidey up the most this season? Judging by the promo, as I said, I really think he will. I mean, Venom has been known for kicking the crap out of Spidey in the comics, animated series, and film. :up:

[xMaNiAx]

Judging by the promo, as I said, I really think he will. I mean, Venom has been known for kicking the crap out of Spidey in the comics, animated series, and film. :up:

so true, i can't wait to see pix..:woot:

[Web-Head]

Okay, CW4Kids just released four new pics from last week's episode but none from the finale. :o

[Grievous]

Judging by the promo, as I said, I really think he will. I mean, Venom has been known for kicking the crap out of Spidey in the comics, animated series, and film. :up:
yeah it's kinda one reason Venom is Venom, the way he beats up Spidey so much.

[Venom.X]

Soooo...what irony. We finally, FINALLY get to the season's final episode, with Venom as the de facto villain, premiering this Saturday...now mind you, I've seen every episode so far on time without any circumstances coming up that would have prevented me from watching...and for this particular one episode I've been tortured over seeing, everything comes up at once. My friend wants to go see Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk back to back early this Saturday. So I was able to get that movie date pushed to the afternoon, then I get a phone call. I have to help my cousins move this Saturday at 9:00 am. Why?!

[Web-Head]

Soooo...what irony. We finally, FINALLY get to the final season's episode, with Venom as the de facto villain, premiering this Saturday...now mind you, I've seen every episode so far on time without any circumstances coming up that would have prevented me from watching...and for this particular one episode I've been tortured over seeing, everything comes up at once. My friend wants to go see Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk back to back early this Saturday. So I was able to get that movie date pushed to the afternoon, then I get a phone call. I have to help my cousins move this Saturday at 9:00 am. Why?!
Funny how things work out, eh? :p

It'll be on veoh that night, trust me.

[Silver Spider]

The only episodes I've missed the premieres of, because of other circumstances, are Catalysts and Intervention. But I had them taped, and got to watch them the following Sunday.

[Venom.X]

Soooo...what irony. We finally, FINALLY get to the final season's episode...

I meant season's final episode

My cousins have Tivo. Now, will Tivo keep all shows recorded on it even after you unplug it? If I record Spider-Man while we're moving, then I unplug it and pack it up, will the show still be on their Tivo when we plug it back up?

[SpideyFan85]

I meant season's final episode

My cousins have Tivo. Now, will Tivo keep all shows recorded on it even after you unplug it? If I record Spider-Man while we're moving, then I unplug it and pack it up, will the show still be on their Tivo when we plug it back up?

Yes, it's a hard drive. Things stay on it until they are deleted. My parents stopped paying for the TiVo service but we still have the unit and we can still play stuff that was saved on it. So you should be fine.

[PJBoy]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture01.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture02.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture03.jpg

[Venom.X]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture01.jpg


Awesome. Grotesque, too.

[Anwar]

Damn, that first pic looks like Eddie is wearing a hippo mask or something.

Eddie: Mrs Parker? Could you make sure there are extra yams at dinner?

[Visionary]

In that middle pic:

Venom certainly has one big ass upper...yet a very small lower. Are you all sure this isn't APE-MAN? :dry:

[Venom.X]

After Venom's inevitable defeat, I wanna see the reactions of Gwen and the Connors. Ya know, when they discover what happened to Eddie.

[Don Yoyo]

Damn, that first pic looks like Eddie is wearing a hippo mask or something.

Impossible : Hippos got teeth far longer than those :woot: Nah seriously, you're right. Give me the impression that he is on the point of being eaten too...

[Silver Spider]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture01.jpg

This reminds me of Ultimate Venom. Why does he retract the symbiote two different ways?
Cool picture, nethertheless.

[Venom.X]

This reminds me of Ultimate Venom. Why does he retract the symbiote two different ways?
Cool picture, nethertheless.

All joking aside, it just...looks cool. I mean, its literally Eddie's head inside the symbiote's "mouth", albeit unhinged. You don't get that effect if the symbiote simply slithered from his head down to his neck or whatever like in SM3.

[hpwiz89]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture01.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture02.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/PJBoySv/NaturevsNurture03.jpg

Finally we get some pictures! I'm so excited for this episode! :woot:

[Silver Spider]

All joking aside, it just...looks cool? I mean, its literally Eddie's head inside the symbiote's "mouth", albeit unhinged. You don't get that effect if the symbiote simply slithered from his head down to his neck or whatever like in SM3.
What exactly are you asking?

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Looks like a creepy Thanksgiving's in the making.

[Venom.X]

What exactly are you asking?

Asking? I wasn't asking anything. I was replying to your statement. We both think it loos cool. I was just trying to make-up an explaination for your bolded question.

Originally Posted by Silver Spider http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15003372#post15003372)
This reminds me of Ultimate Venom. Why does he retract the symbiote two different ways?
Cool picture, nethertheless.

[Nathan]

The only pic I like is the 3rd one. You don't see most of the ridiculously huge body.

He looked perfect in the last couple seconds of Intervention. Why did they have to ruin it?

[Silver Spider]

Asking? I wasn't asking anything. I was replying to your statement. We both think it loos cool. I was just trying to make-up an explaination for your bolded question.

Originally Posted by Silver Spider http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15003372#post15003372)
This reminds me of Ultimate Venom. Why does he retract the symbiote two different ways?
Cool picture, nethertheless.
Sorry, the way it was worded, confused me.:o:woot:
The only pic I like is the 3rd one. You don't see most of the ridiculously huge body.

He looked perfect in the last couple seconds of Intervention. Why did they have to ruin it?
I agree with this. He looked awesome at the end of Intervention, but now he looks like the concept art again, just darker.