The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Ace of Knaves]

yea i liked her in "Snake Eyes" aswell. with them glasses, ooooooooweeee!

[InvisibleWoman]

*sigh* whenever I see Eva Green, I see MY Selina...I'm kinda worried now that I have her in my mind TOO much, so when it comes to the day they announce who will play Catwoman, I'll be bitterly disappointed if it's not her! I guess that's the trouble with expectations - it's a sure fire way to disappointment! With the Joker, I had no clue who would play him, I didn't even dare to put a suggestion forward so it was all good. I guess we'll just yet again have to put our trust in Nolan...he's not let us down so far. But I'm still holding hope for Eva :woot:

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[prince_charming]

Here is a picture of Catwoman that i drew using Alyssa Milano as the model, i also used the costume design that someone else here designed. I hope they dont mind i just think its an amazing costume! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Cyrano73/0908081420-12.jpg

[Sawyer]

More of my new fav:

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I concur.

[july]

Apologies if this old news, but I read somewhere that Maggie Gyllenhaal has signed on for the 3rd film so wouldn't she be a dead certainty to be catwoman? I hope its not the case because I want catwoman to be a blazing beauty (ie Cotillard or Green). Gyllenhaal is a decent actress but she belongs in indie films; her lack of beauty was distracting in TDK, though, if she is catwoman, her face would be mostly covered by a mask.

[Laderlappen]

Apologies if this old news, but I read somewhere that Maggie Gyllenhaal has signed on for the 3rd film so wouldn't she be a dead certainty to be catwoman? I hope its not the case because I want catwoman to be a blazing beauty (ie Cotillard or Green). Gyllenhaal is a decent actress but she belongs in indie films; her lack of beauty was distracting in TDK, though, if she is catwoman, her face would be mostly covered by a mask.You are so sexist.

[Ace of Knaves]

Apologies if this old news, but I read somewhere that Maggie Gyllenhaal has signed on for the 3rd film so wouldn't she be a dead certainty to be catwoman? I hope its not the case because I want catwoman to be a blazing beauty (ie Cotillard or Green). Gyllenhaal is a decent actress but she belongs in indie films; her lack of beauty was distracting in TDK, though, if she is catwoman, her face would be mostly covered by a mask.

how can Maggie sign on for a third film? if Aaron hasn't, she hasn't. What are they gonna do, resurrect her as Selina Kyle? errrrrrrrr no.

[electric]

I haven't been able to read throughout all the posts in this thread so sorry if I'm repeating anyone's point of view, but I have been hoping for a Catwoman's appearance in Nolan's Bat universe ever since the first film so this is what i think.

To start with Enough with "Angelina Jolie as Catwoman". Sure the woman is hotter than lava but she was Lara Croft, miss Smith, Fox! Hadn't we had enough with that? I mean why when there is a sexy heroine the first answer always must be Jolie? She's done it already and not "acting-wise" superbly. Honestly do you believe she will portray Catwoman in an really dark and edgy way, that feels like she can keep up with Heath Ledger's Joker??

The reason Heath was so F$@&*NG (F$@&*NG) amazing is because at first he sounded like a complete outsider for the part. He didn't look the part, noone knew he had it in him and ion the end his electryfying performance (who put Jack Nicholson to shame) made everyone want to hand him the Oscar now. I'm not saying we can guess which actress has that quality and passion for the part of Catwoman and devotion, but there is already a Michelle Pfeiffer's performance (who in my opinion was the best actress performance in a comic book film(if not in film in general) EVER!) to reach up to if not excceed.

I believe we need an actress younger than 30 OBVIOUSLY!! (which rules out Winslet, Weisz, and Cate (Galadriel/Queen Elizabeth for god's shake?)Blanchet. Someone who can top her amazing natural beauty by being sexier than sex and a real dangerous psychopath. Let's face it: all the characters in Gotham have serious mental issues. And NOT ANOTHER CREME DE LA CREME, LARGER THAN LIFE NAME IN HOLLYWOOD, no surprises there (which rules out miss Scarlet Johansson-she's got something but if Matchpoint is her edgier it's not enough).

We don’t want a hot sexy oh-la-la chick in a cat suit-go buy the catalogue of “leathers r’ us” for that! We want an actress who can portray an iconic feline woman!


This is who I think has the best looks the part and my gut tells me she can pull it off as an actress and make a hell of a performance: miss Evangeline Lilly

Before you say too lost in tv think about it for a sec..I am posting pictures in a sec..

PS: Lena Heady, I was glad to see nominated: she could do it plus she stared with Ledger in Grimm and don't know-maybe it's fate. But, if you want to know who I believe looks the part and my gut tells me she could pull it off. Same about Marion Cotillard-I think she would be very intersting to say the least.

But as for the rest of the candidates go, please! Charlize Theron and Rebecca Romjin too cold and I don't know modelly? Eliza Dushku something missing insdide out and maybe the voice is wrong. Rose McGowan is Red Sonja and that's as far as she gets for me. And Monaghan and Russel I haven’t seen acting but being in MI3 is not too convincing. I don't mean to say all of them are bad actresses and couldn't pull it off (poorly-miss Beckinsale I think this goes for you). I'm saying none of them feels right.

PS2: If Maggie Gylenhaal signed to come back and becomes Catwoman we are doomed. Even Katie Holmes outmatched her in the previous film

PS3: I thought my post was a bit big so the colors were used to make it easier on the eye-Also isn’t this :bh:really cool?

[electric]

to emphasize my point

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[electric]

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[Ace of Knaves]

she looks the part, but i've never seen her performances so i cannot make a judgement. i'm in the Lena Hedley camp.

[The Batkilt]

how can Maggie sign on for a third film? if Aaron hasn't, she hasn't. What are they gonna do, resurrect her as Selina Kyle? errrrrrrrr no.

With a franchise it's usually a standard clause in a contract, with a few exceptions.

[Ace of Knaves]

With a franchise it's usually a standard clause in a contract, with a few exceptions.


yea i understand that. but shes dead, simple as. and if they decide to ressurect her as Selina Kyle then i will not be watching the third.

[The Batkilt]

I didn't say she'd be brought back, you asked how she could be signed on for a third film. As far as I was aware Eckhart had signed with the option for a sequel too, it doesn't mean the character is going to be appear - which is most definitely the case with Rachel and most probably the case with Harvey.

[Ace of Knaves]

ok man i misunderstood, no worries. its just that someone mentioned bringing her back as Catwoman, it was so stupid it wern't even funny.

[Batman137]

No catwoman please. you need to go a step further with the joker. and the riddler would do that. catwoman wouldnt.

[Ace of Knaves]

catwoman wouldn't be the main villain though, more of a antagonist to BOTH Batman and the main villain. i think including her could prove quite a interesting proposition

[Two-Face]

Now that Rachel is dead, it will be interesting how Bruce would even react another woman and you put Selina into the mix.

[The Major]

Now that Rachel is dead, it will be interesting how Bruce would even react another woman and you put Selina into the mix.

You don't need Catwoman for that.

[nolan's roll'n]

As great as it would be to see Catwoman in Batman 3, I doubt it will happen. The Riddler seems more of a villain that Nolan could tackle.

[Killing Joke926]

*sigh* whenever I see Eva Green, I see MY Selina...I'm kinda worried now that I have her in my mind TOO much, so when it comes to the day they announce who will play Catwoman, I'll be bitterly disappointed if it's not her! I guess that's the trouble with expectations - it's a sure fire way to disappointment! With the Joker, I had no clue who would play him, I didn't even dare to put a suggestion forward so it was all good. I guess we'll just yet again have to put our trust in Nolan...he's not let us down so far. But I'm still holding hope for Eva :woot:

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[Two-Face]

You don't need Catwoman for that.

I guess then they could go with make up character like Rachel.:whatever:

[The Major]

I guess then they could go with make up character like Rachel.:whatever:
They don't need to do that, either.

There's Sasha, Silver St. Cloud and Talia.

[Crook]

2 of whom don't have nearly as much to offer as Selina, and the other is pretty useless without Ra's.

[Killing Joke926]

Now that Rachel is dead, it will be interesting how Bruce would even react another woman and you put Selina into the mix.

Indeed; however let's hope she makes it into the film and done respectfully true to the comics........................... and is not Angelina Jolie. *looks at avvy* http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Killing Joke926]

I guess then they could go with make up character like Rachel.:whatever:

Not another dead broad. :csad: :brucebat:

[The Major]

2 of whom don't have nearly as much to offer as Selina,

They can take him other directions.

and the other is pretty useless without Ra's.

I disagree. Ra's death means she has a good reason to show up.

[Crook]

They can take him other directions.
Then they minds as well just create a new character.

I disagree. Ra's death means she has a good reason to show up.
Yes, but the entire dynamic of Talia and Bruce's relationship is gone due to Ra's being dead. Not even a revenge plot, no matter how well-written, can substitute for that.

[Two-Face]

Indeed; however let's hope she makes it into the film and done respectfully true to the comics........................... and is not Angelina Jolie. *looks at avvy* http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif


I agree but not with Jolie bit. :whatever:



They don't need to do that, either.

There's Sasha, Silver St. Cloud and Talia.


Selina is like Joker she's important to Batman world.


You can't Talia without Ra's Al Ghul.

[The Major]

Selina is like Joker she's important to Batman world.

She isn't the only female character who can be interesting in Batman's world, though.


You can't Talia without Ra's Al Ghul.

Of course you can. You think she wouldn't want Batman gutted like a fish after what happened in Batmen Begins? That's a great reason to reveal herself.

[Killing Joke926]

I agree but not with Jolie bit. :whatever:






Selina is like Joker she's important to Batman world.


You can't Talia without Ra's Al Ghul.

Oh good; sorry about that, I've been tryin' to set people straight and to tell em' to hike with all the fangasms for Depp and Jolie. *tingle shivers down spine* There's just too many of them. :wow: :shock :ikyn

[Crook]

Maybe you should start with the people foaming over Joker/Ledger, cause there's far more of them.

[Two-Face]

She isn't the only female character who can be interesting in Batman's world, though.



But like Joker she's No 1 love-interest...


It's like skipping Joker on to making another villain you can't do that. Same with Selina.

[Two-Face]

Oh good; sorry about that, I've been tryin' to set people straight and to tell em' to hike with all the fangasms for Depp and Jolie. *tingle shivers down spine* There's just too many of them. :wow: :shock :ikyn



I have been fan since 2003 Jolie is the actress I want to see, she's born to play this role like Bale born to play Batman.

[The Major]

But like Joker she's No 1 love-interest...

She's not his only love interest. All they need to do is execute the character well in a film. Nolan can do this with any of the others IMO.

It's like skipping Joker on to making another villain you can't do that. Same with Selina.
Batman Begins already did that. Worked fine.

[Killing Joke926]

I have been fan since 2003 Jolie is the actress I want to see, she's born to play this role like Bale born to play Batman.

*pulls out gun and points* :brucebat:

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[Crook]

She's not his only love interest. All they need to do is execute the character well in a film. Nolan can do this with any of others IMO.
It's still blatantly ignoring the most important female in Bruce's life.

Batman Begins already did that. Worked fine.
Yes, and he was the spotlight for the sequel. Evidently Joker is important to depict in any incarnation featuring Batman. It's the same concept here for the love interest/female role. There's no one that fits the mold best better than Selina.

[Two-Face]

She's not his only love interest. All they need to do is execute the character well in a film. Nolan can do this with any of others IMO.


Batman Begins already did that. Worked fine.


Yes Nolan still returned to do Joker.

one of the reasons why TDK is better than BB.


I disagree Selina always been love-interest to Batman/Bruce so I rather have just Selina if not Catwoman...

[Two-Face]

It's still blatantly ignoring the most important female in Bruce's life.


Yes, and he was the spotlight for the sequel. Evidently Joker is important to depict in any incarnation featuring Batman. It's the same concept here for the love interest/female role. There's no one that fits the mold best better than Selina.



Crook said it better than me. :up:

[Killing Joke926]

Yes Nolan still returned to do Joker.

one of the reasons why TDK is better than BB.


I disagree Selina always been love-interest to Batman/Bruce so I rather have just Selina if not Catwoman...

Why compare BB to TDK? They're both directed by Nolan, both have different angles, and both are awsome. :huh: :brucebat:

[Two-Face]

Why compare BB to TDK? They're both directed by Nolan, both have different angles, and both are awsome. :huh: :brucebat:

So I can't like TDK? which is the better film. BB is awesome but TDK has my favourite character.


Anyway on to Catwoman.

[Killing Joke926]

So I can't like TDK? which is the better film. BB is awesome but TDK has my favourite character.


Anyway on to Catwoman.

Of course not; I love TDK with all my heart and is now my religion. BB was just kinda differently approached though, so in that aspect I love them both with the same respect. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

But yes, Catwoman............... *Hurm* I'd really like if they went over and kinda took the LH/DV and Hush angles of her as referance to both her personality and Bruce Wayne's/BatMan's love interest. That and I think it could bring up a little mystery speculation and a good reason to bring back Carmine Falcone. :brucebat:

[Two-Face]

Of course not; I love TDK with all my heart and is now my religion. BB was just kinda differently approached though, so in that aspect I love them both with the same respect. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

But yes, Catwoman............... *Hurm* I'd really like if they went over and kinda took the LH/DV and Hush angles of her as referance to both her personality and Bruce Wayne's/BatMan's love interest. That and I think it could bring up a little mystery speculation and a good reason to bring back Carmine Falcone. :brucebat:



I'm having hard-time about Falcone how to bring him back. I mean what happened to the Chechen's customers when he bought stuff from Scarecrow.

[Killing Joke926]

I'm having hard-time about Falcone how to bring him back. I mean what happened to the Chechen's customers when he bought stuff from Scarecrow.

I'm having a hard time understanding this; you're gonna have explain it to me because I don't know how Chechen ties in. :huh:

However, with Maroni takin' over Falcone's business it could have dissapeared to the mother land and kinda take off from When In Rome; he comes back and realizes that Maroni's takin' his place and they can begin to jump forth towards their rivalry like in LH. And ya know with the whole possibilities of Catwoman possibly being one of his daughters, that would be great opportunity to bring Selina and Falcone back in. Kinda get that Godfather feel in ya know? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[ronny]

Maybe Catwoman should be played by someone who isn't as well known as Jolie. To be honest she seems too showy for the role, not someone you could believe being tough and able to take it to Batman.
Maybe Hilary Swank or Natalia Tena. I could see that. I mean, do you want a rerun of Batman Returns where the character is basically some sex-mad dominatrix? It's just sleazy. She robs people, she's damn good at it, she inhabits a murky moral world.
Basically a good person trying to get along in a cruel and ruthless city.

[Laderlappen]

No Selina should be very "normal".

[ronny]

No Selina should be very "normal".

Of course not. But she shouldn't be some beauty queen either. Otherwise it's just T&A. Nothing more. If they do this character they need to think about it. Think with their heads, not with their pants.

[Laderlappen]

No I mean that she SHOULD be normal as in no crazy zombie version.

[Majik1387]

She's never been some zombie version, but that's besides the point. I'll give you crazy though.

[The Major]

No I mean that she SHOULD be normal as in no crazy zombie version.

Burton really messed up Catwoman's reputation with his movies. :(

Selina was never a zombie in the comics. She's a normal person.

[Majik1387]

She never was a zombie in the Burton movie either.

[Crook]

Yeah, the only zombie-esque quirk Michelle showed in BR is that quick scene of her waking up from the cats, and when she walks back to her apartment.

[Laderlappen]

Yeah I know she wasnt a zombie. I mean zombie-like, crazy, insane, whatever. Point is she should be more normal than Michelle's. That being said, I loved Michelle's portrayal of the character in the world Burton created.

[Malefical]

What if they get Maggie Gyllenhaal to play Catwoman? They didnt really show her death. Was there a body? Maybe she comes back as Catwoman?!!!:shock and everyone just assumes shes dead like Harvey. Of course I dont want this to happen, but its a possibility.

[Crook]

No. Not a possibility.

And for the record, Maggie's a terrible choice for this role in the first place.

[Majik1387]

What if they get Maggie Gyllenhaal to play Catwoman? They didnt really show her death. Was there a body? Maybe she comes back as Catwoman?!!!:shock and everyone just assumes shes dead like Harvey. Of course I dont want this to happen, but its a possibility.
Did you miss the start of the explosion behind her while she was on the phone?

[Sawyer]

What if they get Maggie Gyllenhaal to play Catwoman? They didnt really show her death. Was there a body? Maybe she comes back as Catwoman?!!!:shock and everyone just assumes shes dead like Harvey. Of course I dont want this to happen, but its a possibility.

...no.

[Sentinel X]

Lol! Rachael exploded...She's in chunks...if they can piece her back together and somehow put a burnt corpse into a Catwoman costume then I guess it can work :dry:

[elgato]

Maggie Gylenhaal as Catwoman.... :|...

She's cute but she's not so attractive or sensual as Selina is :o

Marion, Rachel (Weisz), Keri Russell or Eliza Dushku

[SuperZer0]

She may be a bit too old for the role, but how about Elizabeth Shue as Selina Kyle/Catwoman? She does look younger than her age. What do u think?

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[Mrs.J]

I would not go see the next batman (yes i said it!) flick if angeline Jolie was even an extra in the movie. I hate her acting style----it is just too forced in my opinion. I hate her lol. Shes gorgeous but she is a bad actress IMO. She is very overrated.

[Majik1387]

If we were still in the 1990's maybe, but not now.

[Laderlappen]

She may be a bit too old for the role, but how about Elizabeth Shue as Selina Kyle/Catwoman? She does look younger than her age. What do u think?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000223/

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http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5433/shue24middlely9.jpgCould have been a great choice 15 years ago.

[Golgo-13]

Lena Headey for sure is my #1 pick, but something tells me we might not see Catwoman at all in B3. Nolan usually pulls the un-expected and everyone, including the media, is so sure she's in B3 even when there isn't even a damn script yet. :huh:

Headey. :up:

[nolan's roll'n]

...no.
Agreed, she isn't what I would call hot.

[The Major]

Agreed, she isn't what I would call hot.

That's not why I'm against Maggie being Catwoman.

She had a separate character which got killed off in TDK. No reason to resurrect her for that.

[nolan's roll'n]

That's not why I'm against Maggie being Catwoman.

She had a separate character which got killed off in TDK. No reason to resurrect her for that.

Yeah plus why would one actress play two different roles in the same film series, that is stupid.

[The Major]

Yeah plus why would one actress play two different roles in the same film series, that is stupid.

Agreed.

[Malefical]

Agreed.


I wasnt saying Maggie would play Selina.Shes still Rachel...and becomes Catwoman.For the movie they could change the character like they always do.Halley Berry's Catwoman was black and had a different name.

Her death scene was kind of ambiguous like Harveys and she could have survived and then come back as Catwoman.

[Crook]

I'd like an explanation for how any of that makes sense.

[ScarecrowMan666]

I wasnt saying Maggie would play Selina.Shes still Rachel...and becomes Catwoman.For the movie they could change the character like they always do.Halley Berry's Catwoman was black and had a different name.

Her death scene was kind of ambiguous like Harveys and she could have survived and then come back as Catwoman.


You didn't just mention that atrocity that Halley Berry came up with did you? That discredits anything you may have to say. It would make absolutely no sense to have Maggie play Catwoman. None. :o

[The Major]

I wasnt saying Maggie would play Selina.Shes still Rachel...and becomes Catwoman.For the movie they could change the character like they always do.

Change is necessary for adaptions. Unnecessary changes should be avoided. This would be unnecessary.

Halley Berry's Catwoman was black and had a different name.

Catwoman is still recovering form that little stunt.

Selina could work fine in Nolan's universe if he wants to use her. He doesn't need to give the Catwoman name more baggage with a dead character.

Her death scene was kind of ambiguous like Harveys and she could have survived and then come back as Catwoman.

She's dead. Maggie's not coming back.

[ScarecrowMan666]

I would not go see the next batman (yes i said it!) flick if angeline Jolie was even an extra in the movie. I hate her acting style----it is just too forced in my opinion. I hate her lol. Shes gorgeous but she is a bad actress IMO. She is very overrated.


Thank you! Finally someone who agrees with me! It seems like everybody around here kisses Jolie's ass. :woot:

[Sawyer]

I wasnt saying Maggie would play Selina.Shes still Rachel...and becomes Catwoman.For the movie they could change the character like they always do.Halley Berry's Catwoman was black and had a different name.

Her death scene was kind of ambiguous like Harveys and she could have survived and then come back as Catwoman.

And literally every person on the SHH boards hates the s*** out of that movie. :down

[elgato]

I wasnt saying Maggie would play Selina.Shes still Rachel...and becomes Catwoman.For the movie they could change the character like they always do.Halley Berry's Catwoman was black and had a different name.

Her death scene was kind of ambiguous like Harveys and she could have survived and then come back as Catwoman.

If we get Catwoman I want her to be Selina Kyle!!!!!!!!! :cmad::cmad:

[The Major]

If we get Catwoman I want her to be Selina Kyle!!!!!!!!! :cmad::cmad:

Agreed.

[Malefical]

Hey, Im on your guys side. I agree. I just think its a possibility That Rachel could come back as Catwoman. Well of course, anythings possible. I actually dont want Catwoman at all in the 3rd one.Its just something I thought up.

The reason I dont want her is cuz it would be too much of a distraction. What if it then turns into a major love story? I would hate that.The love triangle in TDK was minimal, but Catwoman fer sure would be used as a hokey love story. Maybe that will get girls attention though, and would lead to the 3rd one actually outgrossing Titanic finally.lol.

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yeah your probably right Maleficial....I don't want a crappy love story either. But then again, Returns wasn't really a love story...and CW was in it.

[elgato]

Agree, if they need a reference for Catwoman and Batman's affair BR is the one

[Crook]

Only as a slight reference for how to not make a love story overdramatic and corny. Everything else should be different, I would not want a replica of the dynamic in BR. You just can't top what Keaton/Pfeiffer did.

[ScarecrowMan666]

That's right Crook! :woot:

[Sawyer]

Only as a slight reference for how to not make a love story overdramatic and corny. Everything else should be different, I would not want a replica of the dynamic in BR. You just can't top what Keaton/Pfeiffer did.

You really cant. Especially that scene at Shreck's party.

"You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it."
"A kiss can be deadlier... if you mean it."
"Oh God... does this mean we have to start fighting?"

[Crook]

Heh, yeah I always bring that up in this thread every once in a while. The interplay between them was so great to watch. Even if you were 9... or 29, you could just feel the sparks and realize how tragically perfect these 2 broken personalities were for each other.

That's really my only concern with bringing Selina into this franchise. It's very hard for me to imagine either Bale or Nolan pulling this tricky balance off, when neither have shown much tact in depicting romance.

[flickchick85]

Before I say this, I should preface by saying I won't be around long to debate this since I'm in the middle of a move and will be without internet for about 10 days or more, so I almost feel guilty throwing it out here, but...

That ballroom scene in BR was ONE great scene in an otherwise flat love story, imo. It's not as if Tim Burton is the master of romance or relatable characters all of a sudden; quite the opposite, actually. He creates cartoon worlds with cartoon characters. They may be complex, fascinating even, but at the end of the day, Tim Burton does not create real-world characters or real-world dynamics. I just don't think it's in him.

Therefore, I think there's plenty of heights Nolan, Bale & Co. can reach with this character/story that BR didn't. In fact, that's the main reason I want to see Catwoman in this series so badly: I've never seen her done in live-action the way I think she should be done.

Pfeiffer was fantastic, but that's pretty much all I can say about the Batman Returns Catwoman storyline without going negative.

Just my opinion, obviously. I realize I may have just incited some stone throwing, but oh well, I'm not sure how long I'll be here to see it. ;)

[Crook]

Let us know before you actually get out the door, so we may incite a 10-day barrage on you, behind your back. :o

[flickchick85]

Let us know before you actually get out the door, so we may incite a 10-day barrage on you, behind your back. :o
Will do. I appreciate you waiting 'till I leave. That's how they do in polite society.:grin:

[Laderlappen]

I have something to confess. About a year ago or something I suggested Keri Russell on this board. I've been thinking lately who I prefer between Marion and Keri, and Marion is officially my fav choice now.

[Gianakin_]

Heh, yeah I always bring that up in this thread every once in a while. The interplay between them was so great to watch. Even if you were 9... or 29, you could just feel the sparks and realize how tragically perfect these 2 broken personalities were for each other.

That's really my only concern with bringing Selina into this franchise. It's very hard for me to imagine either Bale or Nolan pulling this tricky balance off, when neither have shown much tact in depicting romance.

9? I was f^^^kin' 7 when I saw BR in the theaters and I felt the chemistry, so much that I was disappointed 3 years later when a doctor suspiciously blonde and sexy that was not Selina appeared in BF (add to that a blonde Bruce Wayne and a Batman with Jolie's lips that was not Keaton).

[elgato]

I have something to confess. About a year ago or something I suggested Keri Russell on this board. I've been thinking lately who I prefer between Marion and Keri, and Marion is officially my fav choice now.

Same happenned to me here, first, Angelina Jolie was my first choice, then Charlize Theron became, later Keri Russell was my pic, but I think Marion is and will be my definitive choice :brucebat:

PEACE....


-elgato

[Two-Face]

You really cant. Especially that scene at Shreck's party.

"You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it."
"A kiss can be deadlier... if you mean it."
"Oh God... does this mean we have to start fighting?"




You can, if Nolans come up with better story-lines.

[abcdefz]

I don't even know who that is. People need to stop just randomly posting pictures of women and assuming everyone else recognizes them without even saying their name. :o


Laura San Giamoco (sp?). sex, lies, and videotape. Incredibly hot and smart. She rocks the crinkling leather skirt.

She was awful in The Stand, but I'm not sure that was her fault.

[Majik1387]

And too old

[abcdefz]

Maybe. The image I'll forever have of her is when she curls up on James Spader's couch in her leather skirt, wonderingly recalling the first time she saw an erect penis.

1989, I think the movie came out. Oh, man, she was hot.

[SuperZer0]

Video of Marion Cotillard speaking in english:

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[Golgo-13]

Video of Marion Cotillard speaking in english:

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She cute's, but Selina she is not.

[july]

How much impact would the studio have in the casting of selina/catwoman? Could Nolan or the producers just cast who ever they want or would they have to seek approval from the studio heads? It's gonna be interesting because with the huge success of TDK, Nolan now wields power so if Angelina Jolie decides that she wants to be Catwoman, theres no doubt that she would be the studio (and the general publics) first choice but may not even be a candidate for Nolan.

[Laderlappen]

She's sucha sweetheart.

[The Batkilt]

How much impact would the studio have in the casting of selina/catwoman? Could Nolan or the producers just cast who ever they want or would they have to seek approval from the studio heads? It's gonna be interesting because with the huge success of TDK, Nolan now wields power so if Angelina Jolie decides that she wants to be Catwoman, theres no doubt that she would be the studio (and the general publics) first choice but may not even be a candidate for Nolan.

It depends on how much creative freedom the studio are willing to give Nolan. Ultimately the buck stops with the investors of a film so if they weren't convinced by his casting choices they could suggest, or force, someone else upon the film.

[Two-Face]

How much impact would the studio have in the casting of selina/catwoman? Could Nolan or the producers just cast who ever they want or would they have to seek approval from the studio heads? It's gonna be interesting because with the huge success of TDK, Nolan now wields power so if Angelina Jolie decides that she wants to be Catwoman, theres no doubt that she would be the studio (and the general publics) first choice but may not even be a candidate for Nolan.

If Nolan wants Angelina Jolie or not, if even WB wanted her it won't matter Nolan will gets his girl either way.

[Gmanofsteel]

I voted other.

my choice, Melinda Clarke:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7779/melindaclarke1ly6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[flickchick85]

That NYTimes video is SO not what to post when trying to sell the idea of Cotillard for Catwoman. I mean, she's my number one pick (due to her previous roles, not interviews), but I see zero elements of Selina Kyle in that interview.

I know people keep posting it to show her speaking English, and that's cool, but she also spoke English in A Good Year, and at least in clips from that, you can kinda see some Selina-esque traits in her character. Other than that, though, her other roles that convinced me she'd be an awesome Catwoman were all in French.

But when it comes to interviews, I thought she spoke better English in this one than the NYTimes one:

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It seems like the less nervous she is, the better her English is, so in that documentary on YouTube that followed her around during awards season, you can see her speaking English in normal (non-interview) circumstances, and it's even better there. But for a film role, she'd just have to know her lines in the proper accent, which, while difficult, isn't impossible. She and Michael Mann seemed to think she could do it for Public Enemies, after all.

ETA: I like Melinda Clarke, but seems too old to me.

[Laderlappen]

I think that interview clip that was posted, was posted to show her Selina-qualities. It was probably just posted so some people can hear her talk english.

As talanted as Marion is, as good english Marion can already speak, and as relatively easy an american accent is to do, I cant imagine Marion having any problem.

[ScarecrowMan666]

Okay...now I'm really feeling Marion...I want her or Ashley Scott for Catwoman. I'd be happy with either. :woot:

[Ace of Knaves]

How would catwoman speak? I mean what sorta accent would she have? A really strong Chicago accent?

[elgato]

Selina must have a sexy sultry voice and maybe a slight Italian accent, or french if Marion gets casted :P

[Golgo-13]

I don't think her voice should have an accent. If we're going with the whole believability thing that Nolans known for, a masked cat burglar running around with a heavy accent, and then Selina Kyle also has an accent; it won't be too hard for Batman, and anyone else looking for her, to put two and two together. Especially when the accent is vastly stand-out from those ppl living in Gotham.

[Crook]

How would catwoman speak? I mean what sorta accent would she have? A really strong Chicago accent?
Dear god, no. That's almost as bad as a NY accent. Do you want Selina to sound masculine? :csad:

I don't think her voice should have an accent. If we're going with the whole believability thing that Nolans known for, a masked cat burglar running around with a heavy accent, and then Selina Kyle also has an accent; it won't be too hard for Batman, and anyone else looking for her, to put two and two together. Especially when the accent is vastly stand-out from those ppl living in Gotham.
The idea is for the accent to be a cover for her true identity. Meaning Selina speaks in one accent, and Catwoman in another. Think Hans Gruber in Die Hard.

[flickchick85]

^Exactly. Having someone like Cotillard doing dual accents for Selina/Catwoman only ENHANCES the realism. Who's gonna recognize her if Catwoman is running around with a heavy French accent while Selina sounds like just your average American Gothamite (or the other way around)? Not even Bruce, and this way the audience wouldn't have to suspend their disbelief ala Clark Kent/Superman, either.

It's basically the same as Bale changing his voice for Batman, but even better since it would be less distracting to the audience.

[elgato]

Selina's voice would be a sexy, attractive voice, The Catwoman's would be sultry and persuasive

[Changeling]

Wouldnt their voice be the same thing??

[elgato]

She usually changes it in the comic books, mostly in TLH and DV, Bruce (not knowing her idenity) compares both voices

[Changeling]

Oh yeah I think I remember that. Havent read those in forever.

[cerealkiller182]

The idea is for the accent to be a cover for her true identity. Meaning Selina speaks in one accent, and Catwoman in another. Think Hans Gruber in Die Hard.

^Exactly. Having someone like Cotillard doing dual accents for Selina/Catwoman only ENHANCES the realism. Who's gonna recognize her if Catwoman is running around with a heavy French accent while Selina sounds like just your average American Gothamite (or the other way around)? Not even Bruce, and this way the audience wouldn't have to suspend their disbelief ala Clark Kent/Superman, either.

It's basically the same as Bale changing his voice for Batman, but even better since it would be less distracting to the audience.

Thats a very interesting idea and I could see it working quite well.

[dontplaydead27]

Someone said in another topic Eva Green would be good, and I agree. I think most people are just judging with their penises who would be good anyway, but I think Eva could have great chemistry with Bale, and she's still beautiful.

Until someone else "better" comes to mind, Eva would be good. Maybe Dushku, but not sure.

[SimpleHero82]

That NYTimes video is SO not what to post when trying to sell the idea of Cotillard for Catwoman. I mean, she's my number one pick (due to her previous roles, not interviews), but I see zero elements of Selina Kyle in that interview.

I know people keep posting it to show her speaking English, and that's cool, but she also spoke English in A Good Year, and at least in clips from that, you can kinda see some Selina-esque traits in her character. Other than that, though, her other roles that convinced me she'd be an awesome Catwoman were all in French.

But when it comes to interviews, I thought she spoke better English in this one than the NYTimes one:

7TbmlIwEZyk&fmt=18

It seems like the less nervous she is, the better her English is, so in that documentary on YouTube that followed her around during awards season, you can see her speaking English in normal (non-interview) circumstances, and it's even better there. But for a film role, she'd just have to know her lines in the proper accent, which, while difficult, isn't impossible. She and Michael Mann seemed to think she could do it for Public Enemies, after all.

ETA: I like Melinda Clarke, but seems too old to me.


So who cares? Did Heath ever give any indication that he'd be perfect for the Joker role before he was offered it? Hmmm.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea i think us talking about how suited a actor/actress is to a role is pointless. Nolan has proved that he isn't bound by such limitations, the casting of Heath is testament to that. Nolan stated he cast Heath because he was fearless, I suppose you can guess that because it would take a fearless actor to make-out with another bloke!!

[cerealkiller182]

So who cares? Did Heath ever give any indication that he'd be perfect for the Joker role before he was offered it? Hmmm.

Well if this is the thought process now than any actor is up for any role and all discussion is now even more of a waste of time then it already was.

[flickchick85]

Someone said in another topic Eva Green would be good, and I agree. I think most people are just judging with their penises who would be good anyway, but I think Eva could have great chemistry with Bale, and she's still beautiful.

Until someone else "better" comes to mind, Eva would be good. Maybe Dushku, but not sure.
Well as one of the ones clearly not judging with their penises, I say Eva Green would be better suited to Talia, imo. I do agree that she seems like she could have great chemistry with Bale, though. There's just a dangerous free-spirit quality to Selina that I have a hard time imagining Green pulling off. I've seen The Dreamers, but that was a very different kind of character too. Her demeanor just really suggests Talia to me.

And Dushku could play Catwoman in another venue (like a TV show or something), but she'd be way out of her league in Nolan's series.

[dontplaydead27]

"Well if this is the thought process now than any actor is up for any role and all discussion is now even more of a waste of time then it already was."


Yep. That's why studios pay out thousands of dollars to producers and directors to cast the right people for movies and we don't.

[cerealkiller182]

"Well if this is the thought process now than any actor is up for any role and all discussion is now even more of a waste of time then it already was."


Yep. That's why studios pay out thousands of dollars to producers and directors to cast the right people for movies and we don't.

Regardless, Ive seen plenty of suggestions that follow some kind of logic outside of "He/She looks just like him/her" or "Heath Ledger didnt have any evidence that he can play Joker so why no this person as that character" (which I disagree with anyway)

[flickchick85]

So who cares? Did Heath ever give any indication that he'd be perfect for the Joker role before he was offered it? Hmmm.
He didn't do roles that screamed "Joker," but he did have several performances that featured facets of the Joker character. I posted this a while back:

He's been quietly disturbed (Monster's Ball), a self-destructive bohemian (Candy), larger-than-life kinda crazy (Lords of Dogtown), an uber-confident bad boy (10 things I Hate About You), a charismatic outlaw (Ned Kelly and Casanova), and he completely altered his voice/mannerisms for Brokeback Mountain.

I'm not saying he was the obvious choice, but there was definitely evidence in his prior work that indicated he was up to the challenge.

Nolan and the studios don't pull these choices out of thin air. Nolan himself said he chose Heath because his previous work proved he had the "fearlessness" required. That plus conversations with Heath about the character are what lead to his casting. But don't think his previous roles had nothing to do with it just because he hadn't played a Joker type before. You've just gotta look at the various depths and attributes he's proven he can pull off in other roles, and in that, you can see where they (Nolan and casting directors) come up with these crazy ideas.

Still, Cotillard's shown more traces of Catwoman in her performances (without ever having played that exact type of role before) than Heath ever did with the Joker, so that only makes her more right for the role, imo.

[The Batkilt]

I'd actually say that if Heath had portrayed a character that was too similar then Nolan wouldn't have pegged him as first choice. His choices aren't as left-field as they're sometimes made out to be as just about everyone cast as shown they can pull off the role they're given previously without having actually played it, which only helps the film.

FlickChick gave some good examples of roles Heath had taken on previously that showed he could pull off different aspects of the character. In every role from a 'gay' cowboy (oversimplifying it, I know) to one of the brothers Grimm Heath immersed himself into a role and that combined with previous performances would have convinced Nolan he could do it.

That's what makes me think that for any future character Nolan will be searching for an actor with certain qualities - which is why I think Marion is a great choice. The only thing I've not seen her do is the sort of physical aspect to Catwoman, but everything else she has.

[Laderlappen]

So who cares? Did Heath ever give any indication that he'd be perfect for the Joker role before he was offered it? Hmmm.Actually yes.

[Ace of Knaves]

Heath apparently knew how to portray the Joker in Nolans world as soon as he see that card at the end of BB. I can't remember where it is now but i see a interview with him where he said he knew perfectly how to portray him, then he met with Nolan and was amazed that they both thought exactly the same thing.

[Crook]

Yea i think us talking about how suited a actor/actress is to a role is pointless. Nolan has proved that he isn't bound by such limitations, the casting of Heath is testament to that. Nolan stated he cast Heath because he was fearless, I suppose you can guess that because it would take a fearless actor to make-out with another bloke!!
Joker is a very special circumstance. The role (on most occasions) requires a very specific type of performance. You're not likely to encounter that with many of the rogues gallery in Batman's lore. Catwoman certainly isn't one of them.

Well if this is the thought process now than any actor is up for any role and all discussion is now even more of a waste of time then it already was.
Not necessarily. We can't just list off any ol' actress, she has to have some acting credentials behind her.

[cerealkiller182]

Not necessarily. We can't just list off any ol' actress, she has to have some acting credentials behind her.

I was being mostly sarcastic

[elgato]

Let's have some pic time!!!

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq207/KEIJIOSK/Marion-Cotillard-marion-cotillard-8.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll318/margochanning_2008/imdb2.jpg

[Crook]

She looks best with her hair like in the bottom picture. :up:

[elgato]

I love her both with long wavy hair and short hair, she's still hot to me both ways

[Crook]

Yeah she's hot, but sometimes her look is off-putting to me because of how her hair is styled, or the make-up she wears.

That brings to question though, Selina: short or long hair?

[elgato]

Nolan's version: short hair (to fit to the mask and make it look "realistic")

Comic book version: long hair (flowing out of her mask)

[Laderlappen]

long hair definetly.

[Crook]

I'm gonna side with long hair too (especially if Marion gets it. She looks horrid with short, imo). Very few girls can pull off that length, without looking butch.

[dontplaydead27]

Long hair for the movie, just tucked under whatever she's got on her head, or flowing out. Short hair wouldn't bother me either, but not man-short, not old Halle Berry short.

I'd picture her wearing something SIMILAR to what she was in the HUSH collection. (That's the last i've read of Batman comics, not sure if she's still with that or not) obviously not as comic-ish.

[elgato]

I would definately be happy with long hair or short hair, tho it also depends on the actress, Marion looks great wit both, but other actresses don't

[anrrd_2]

charlize theron = short hair
keri russel = long hair

[elgato]

Marion Cotillard-Both
Rachel Weisz-Long
Michelle Monaghan-Long
Billie Piper-Long
Eliza Dushku-Long

[The Major]

I'm gonna side with long hair too (especially if Marion gets it. She looks horrid with short, imo). Very few girls can pull off that length, without looking butch.

Alana De La Garza could make short hair work in live action.

[ScarecrowMan666]

Definitely short...I think it looked really sexy on Selina in Hush...As a matter of fact I thought she was the best part about Hush.

[jmc]

Might just be me but I've always felt short hair only ever works on blonde girls.

[Majik1387]

Long hair, and then the actress can put it in a french twist or something while donning the mask, it's not hard to do.

[The Batkilt]

Short hair for Selina, though it depends on the actress. Marion is my main pick and I think she'd be great with short hair. I also would quite like Keri Russell or Eva Green in the role, but I love them with long/longer hair so...yeah.

Might just be me but I've always felt short hair only ever works on blonde girls.

Depending on the shade of blonde I'm the complete opposite. Generally I think brunettes look best with short hair.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea short hair only works with Brunettes IMO.

[The Major]

Long hair, and then the actress can put it in a french twist or something while donning the mask, it's not hard to do.

Selina could wear long haired wigs in various colors when not in costume or using aliases in public, as well.

[dontplaydead27]

As long as she's hot and has the face-shape for it. We need someone who can act and be really hot. Even though in Nolans world, how real is it that a thief is hot? Well, I think you could let this slide.

I like long hair that's put up or pulled back. Kate Beckinsale has been a favorite to wear her hair in really hot ways. Most recently in her orange bikini on the beach from a couple weeks ago.

[az824]

if michelle pfieffer can fit her huge hair into that mask then so can the new girl, i say long hair

[Laderlappen]

As long as she's hot and has the face-shape for it. We need someone who can act and be really hot. Even though in Nolans world, how real is it that a thief is hot? Well, I think you could let this slide.

I like long hair that's put up or pulled back. Kate Beckinsale has been a favorite to wear her hair in really hot ways. Most recently in her orange bikini on the beach from a couple weeks ago.What the flying fudge are you talking about? Since when is it unrealistic that a thief is attractive?

[Majik1387]

Selina could wear long haired wigs in various colors when not in costume or using aliases in public, as well.
I guess she could do that, though not really a fan of it.
if michelle pfieffer can fit her huge hair into that mask then so can the new girl, i say long hair
Exactly.:up:

[SuperZer0]

Audrey Tautou as Selina Kyle/Catwoman! :yay:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0851582/

[Cunning Stunts]

What does everyone think of Rosario Dawson? I'm a little on the fence with her, to be honest. I just don't know if she's been mentioned here and want to see what everyone else would think.

[Cunning Stunts]

if michelle pfieffer can fit her huge hair into that mask then so can the new girl, i say long hair

Yes, long hair all the way. :up:

Never been a big fan of the short-hair-on-chicks thing.

[july]

If Catwoman has to be non-caucasian then Thandie Newton would be perfect.
Like their caucasian counterparts, there really aren't any African-American actresses who can be catwoman. My friend once said that American actresses make really bad (James) Bond girls and I totally agree (with the exception of Barbara Bach) and the Bond girls/catwoman are similar in that they are strong sexy complex women and American actresses, whatever their race, just don't seem to excel in these kind of roles.

[Ace of Knaves]

Michelle Phfifer was the perfect Catwoman, shes American.

[Two-Face]

Look at her she's perfect Selina!


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/Angelina_Jolie_watching_dengerously.jpg

[OwlBoy]

Takes a bit more than cat-eyes to pull off Selina

[Two-Face]

Takes a bit more than cat-eyes to pull off Selina

Jolie has the acting chops too.

[goh78]

Angelina Jolie is the most uninspired, lazy, unimagined casting choice possible for Catwoman, and thus, (if he comes back) will not be Nolan's choice. I'm niot saying I don't think she'd be good, but it's just boring to throw her name out there at this point. Seriously, she's the equivalent to people yelling for Depp or Ryan Reynolds for every role, or Will Smith for anything Black. Nolan likes to throw curveballs like Ledger and I don't see him casting her in a million years.

[Two-Face]

Yeah we would never thought of Liam Nesson, Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman. who are Hollywood's best stars right now.

[Laderlappen]

Angelina Jolie is the most uninspired, lazy, unimagined casting choice possible for Catwoman, and thus, (if he comes back) will not be Nolan's choice. I'm niot saying I don't think she'd be good, but it's just boring to throw her name out there at this point. Seriously, she's the equivalent to people yelling for Depp or Ryan Reynolds for every role, or Will Smith for anything Black. Nolan likes to throw curveballs like Ledger and I don't see him casting her in a million years.Ledger wasnt a "curveball".

[OwlBoy]

Really? Cause if you had told me the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You was going to be the best interpretation of the the Joker since Mark Hamil I'd have never believed you.

[Laderlappen]

That's because to you he was 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You'

[OwlBoy]

And I'm sure he was to a lot of other people or he was that kid from The Patriot or A Knight's Tale or The Brothers Grimm, a lot of people didn't see the potential for him to be the Joker.

[Gianakin_]

So since when does left field casting automatically equal good and the opposite equals bad?

[DarkShadow1713]

I don't care if Nolan has an eye for picking actors... If Jolie is Catwoman I'm boycotting. I draw the line with her. Don't get me wrong, she's got some nice films... but lately all I'm seeing is the same thing over and over.
My vote is for Kate Beckinsale.

[Two-Face]

I don't care if Nolan has an eye for picking actors... If Jolie is Catwoman I'm boycotting. I draw the line with her. Don't get me wrong, she's got some nice films... but lately all I'm seeing is the same thing over and over.
My vote is for Kate Beckinsale.




Your money won't be needed if Nolan casts Jolie .

[Laderlappen]

And I'm sure he was to a lot of other people or he was that kid from The Patriot or A Knight's Tale or The Brothers Grimm, a lot of people didn't see the potential for him to be the Joker.That's because all these roles you mention are the weakest in his career. That's why people didnt see potential to him. Calling Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' is like calling Robert De Niro 'the guy from Meet The Fockers'. So if anybody call Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' he seem like a bad choice. But if I call Heath 'the should have been oscar winning actor from the should have been oscar winning movie Brokeback Mountain' it sounds a little bit better.

[DarkShadow1713]

Eh, I was kidding about boycotting. But I'm just not sure of Jolie. :/ Wasn't there a rumor about Cher? What ever came of that?

[Two-Face]

Eh, I was kidding about boycotting. But I'm just not sure of Jolie. :/ Wasn't there a rumour about Cher? What ever came of that?



Cher rumour is just BS tabloid crap, now I like Kate I could see her play Selina :up:

[DarkShadow1713]

Cher rumour is just BS tabloid crap, now I like Kate I could see her play Selina :up:

Hehe Ya know I was begining to think the same thing about Jolie. I mean that picture up there is very convincing. She's got the Look.

[Crook]

That's because all these roles you mention are the weakest in his career. That's why people didnt see potential to him. Calling Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' is like calling Robert De Niro 'the guy from Meet The Fockers'. So if anybody call Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' he seem like a bad choice. But if I call Heath 'the should have been oscar winning actor from the should have been oscar winning movie Brokeback Mountain' it sounds a little bit better.
Bravo, good man. :funny: :up:

I find it really sad people look at the negative aspects of one's career as a crutch to back up their own opinions. If someone can't (or refuse) see the potential and proven success of an actor, then that's just blatant denial and ignorance.

[OwlBoy]

That's because all these roles you mention are the weakest in his career. That's why people didnt see potential to him. Calling Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' is like calling Robert De Niro 'the guy from Meet The Fockers'. So if anybody call Heath 'the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You' he seem like a bad choice. But if I call Heath 'the should have been oscar winning actor from the should have been oscar winning movie Brokeback Mountain' it sounds a little bit better.

Yes it sounds better when you couch it in conditionals. If in 2000 you had described to me the plot of Meet The Parents and then told me you wanted to cast Deniro I’d say “Why the **** do you think the guy from Raging Bull would work in a comedy?”

Same reason why many people didn’t think Ledger could pull off Joker, you look at what someone’s done in the past and that shapes your opinion on them. A lot of people didn’t Joker in Ledger but Nolan did and that’s what made him a curveball

[Crook]

I don't really think Nolan saw Joker in Ledger either. After all, it was Ledger who came to him, and after various discussions, Nolan felt it was a right decision. It was more of a trust in his abilities as an actor rather than seeing something that wasn't there (hence why his casting was surprising).

[Laderlappen]

Yes, many people didnt think Heath could play the Joker because of him never playing a character like that before. IMO, that's just lack of imagination. To me, Heath was a very logical choice.

In '99 if you had explain the plot of Meet The Parents to me and said Robert De Niro would be in it, I would probably seen him being good in it. Raging Bull is a very serious and dark film, but Robert De Niro is in many parts of it very funny actually.

[solidsnake86]

I love when people say they would boycott if jolie was in the movie... who are you kidding, you know how many men would go watch her in a skin tight outfit, they wouldnt care about the so-called uninspired choice. Jolie is a good actress and would guarantee big numbers.

[The Batkilt]

Yes it sounds better when you couch it in conditionals. If in 2000 you had described to me the plot of Meet The Parents and then told me you wanted to cast Deniro I’d say “Why the **** do you think the guy from Raging Bull would work in a comedy?”

I completely get your point but it's a bad example. De Niro's always had a nack for comedy and always had an interest in doing it, there just wasn't always an interest or belief he could. It's a huge factor in why over the past 10 years or so he's starred in quite a lot of them. Obviously his age and the fact his peak as a leading actor has past factors, but then again so is Pacino, who hasn't went down the same route. And to be honest I don't think Pacino has the same natural gift for comedy. Funny at times yeah, but he doesn't have the natural comedic timing of De Niro.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Gosh Jolie's just too damn perfect for the role so they shouldnt cast her, its too obvious. Gimme one of those curveball's that nobody's expecting like America Ferrera. That would be sweet.

[Crook]

Ferrera? Hell to the no, she ain't Catwoman material. :huh:

There's only so much a curveball can take you for this role. Joker has the benefit of an eclectic personality and make-up that can hide and mask an actor. At the very least, a curveball would mean casting a girl that's not known for having a sultry presence. BUT, to fill an important criteria she would have to look the role. There are not that many actresses who can satisfy both.

[crivelliman]

Heard a couple of Catwoman names tossed around from some people "in the know," sounded kind of interesting...

- Ziyi Zhang
- Rosario Dawson
- Audrey Tautou

[crivelliman]

Whoops! Double post! Thanks, teh internets.

[The Major]

Heard a couple of Catwoman names tossed around from some people "in the know," sounded kind of interesting...

- Ziyi Zhang
- Rosario Dawson
- Audrey Tautou

Dawson and Tautou make sense but what the hell are they thinking with Ziyi? She'd make a great Cassandra Cain not Catwoman.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Ferrera? Hell to the no, she ain't Catwoman material. :huh:

There's only so much a curveball can take you for this role. Joker has the benefit of an eclectic personality and make-up that can hide and mask an actor. At the very least, a curveball would mean casting a girl that's not known for having a sultry presence. BUT, to fill an important criteria she would have to look the role. There are not that many actresses who can satisfy both.i was taking the mick mate as i find peoples reasons against Jolie absolutely ridiculous.

[Mercurius]

Shirley Manson said she wants the part.

I'm a supporter of mademoiselle Marion Cotillard, but wouldn't mind if Manson gets the part.

IF it's ever gonna be such a part, mind you.

[Laderlappen]

Shirley Manson said she wants the part.

I'm a supporter of mademoiselle Marion Cotillard, but wouldn't mind if Manson gets the part.

IF it's ever gonna be such a part, mind you.Because she's just sucha great actress?

[Mercurius]

Because she's just sucha great actress?

Yeah, that and a redhead.

Never underestimate a redhead. :oldrazz:

[psygarb]

Here is the Shirley Manson blurb:

Ready or not, here it comes: your Catwoman casting rumor of the week. This time, it’s Garbage frontwoman Shirley Manson throwing her name into the mix, telling MTV, “I’d love to play Catwoman.”

Manson’s already gotten a taste of the acting biz in season 2 of Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles, where she plays a liquid metal T-1000 and morphed from a urinal in the season opener (no joke). And Shirley already has an idea or two about where to take the iconic Bat-villain (and no, it’s not a bathroom):

“She’s supposed to be difficult. I just think Catwoman hasn’t really been fully realized yet. Certainly I haven’t seen it. Halle Berry wasn’t quite right. And while I liked Michelle Pfeiffer, to a certain degree, I didn’t think she was dangerous. She was more cute than fierce. Not enough of the beast in her. If you’re going to embody a cartoon character like that, you have to be a bit more inexplicable, intangible. Make it more of a mystery.”

Casting someone as inexperienced as Manson would be a surefire way to piss off Batman fans (pun definitely intended), but Manson doesn’t really care, saying, “It would be good fun. I’m their girl.”


http://tunaflix.com/?p=2279

I love Shirley! She is a dynamic performer and I like her take on Catwoman. Although I disagree with what she said about Michelle Phiffer, who was amazing. Though it's early to judge her acting...Shirley has a great look and persona for Catwoman...big beautiful eyes and maybe they can give reddish blond hair. Who knows.

[Crook]

I just saw her on Terminator....and hell no to Manson. Absolutely dull and the look is nowhere near to the level Selina should have.

[InvisibleWoman]

I just watched the Mummy Returns (I was bored, it was on...) and I think I might have just been converted to Team Rachel for Catwoman cos' DAMN that girl is fine. She's sexy, can kick ass and is smart as hell.

And it appears she's one of those annoying women who just get better with age. I think she looks better now then she ever has.

http://img178.imagevenue.com/loc161/th_41608_002_122_161lo.jpg (http://img178.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41608_002_122_161lo.jpg)
http://rachel-weisz.net/gallery/albums/magazines/esquire2004/02.jpg
http://rachel-weisz.net/gallery/albums/magazines/instyle2003/09.jpg
http://rachel-weisz.net/gallery/albums/magazines/NYTimes2006Feb/06.jpg
http://rachel-weisz.net/gallery/albums/magazines/NYTimes2006Feb/07.jpg

*DROOLS*

[DrMylesOBoogie]

If Jolie doesnt get it I think Cotillard has the best look from the other choices in the poll. Shannyn Sossamon should have been in the poll too.

[Two-Face]

Nolan has give to Jolie, she's born to play this role.


Whenever I read a comic I think of Jolie saying those words.

[ScarecrowMan666]

Really? Cuz I think Jolie would do to the role exactly what Halle Barry did to it.

[StorminNorman]

Really? Cuz I think Jolie would do to the role exactly what Halle Barry did to it.


...

They wouldn't be playing the same role. :huh:

Jolie is a great choice, though - if anything - too obvious. I would prefer casting a big name actor as the Riddler (Depp) and throw a lesser known thespian for Catwoman.

I like Shannyn Sossaman,

[ScarecrowMan666]

Hell yeah! Sossaman most definitely!:woot:

[The Batkilt]

Whenever I read a comic I think of Jolie saying those words.

I thought of Gina Gershon saying her dialogue in my head for years when I read a comic, until I watched The Batman last year and she actually was voicing Catwoman. I'd never seen the show until then and now wish I hadn't.:csad:

[cerealkiller182]

I thought of Gina Gershon saying her dialogue in my head for years when I read a comic, until I watched The Batman last year and she actually was voicing Catwoman. I'd never seen the show until then and now wish I hadn't.:csad:

I always heard Adrienne Barbeau from the early 90s animated series

[The Batkilt]

I have too as of late, probably as a result of re-watching the BTAS/TNBA a lot. I know all the cast do excellent job with the characters voices but she stands out more as Catwoman than Michelle Pfeiffer does to me.

[cerealkiller182]

I have too as of late, probably as a result of re-watching the BTAS/TNBA a lot. I know all the cast do excellent job with the characters voices but she stands out more as Catwoman than Michelle Pfeiffer does to me.

so did Kevin Conroy than Michael keaton and Mark Hamil than Jack Nicholson.

[The Batkilt]

so did Kevin Conroy than Michael keaton and Mark Hamil than Jack Nicholson.

This is true. Until Heath Ledger's performance I always imagined Hamill's voice when reading the comics, he was The Joker to me.

[Golgo-13]

I think Kim Raver would be a solid choice. Everything i've seen her in, she has this ability of delivering a great range of emotion.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/indirav1/emmys05c.jpg

[az824]

No ^^^

and i watched la vie en rose, marion was AMAZINGLY TERRIFIC in it, but i dont like her looks for Catwoman. I just dont find her that beautiful and she reminds me a friend. She's too cute not beautiful enough for me

[The Major]

Alana De La Garza.

I think she'd make a good Catwoman. :D

[Hole Shot]

Heard a couple of Catwoman names tossed around from some people "in the know," sounded kind of interesting...

- Ziyi Zhang
- Rosario Dawson
- Audrey Tautou

Dawson doesn't sound like someone "in the know" suggesting it. It sounds like blatant fan typecasting because she already has played the queen of fighting hookers or powerful seductress thing, whatever.

Jolie, Dawson and Beckinsale have already done this type of thing which is why I don't think Nolan is even looking in their direction if he's planning on bringing Selina to the series.

Selina Kyle is a Gothamite as much as Bruce Wayne in my opinion, and Zhang and Tautou are not going to be capable of speaking without their native accents.

[SuperZer0]

Shannyn Sossamon and Alana De La Garza, two interesting suggestions. :up:

[Majik1387]

**** no to Sossamyn. We don't need another hack of an 'actress' after we fixed the first mistake with Gyllenhaal.

[Laderlappen]

No ^^^

and i watched la vie en rose, marion was AMAZINGLY TERRIFIC in it, but i dont like her looks for Catwoman. I just dont find her that beautiful and she reminds me a friend. She's too cute not beautiful enough for me:shock

:woot:

[The Major]

Selina Kyle is a Gothamite as much as Bruce Wayne in my opinion, and Zhang and Tautou are not going to be capable of speaking without their native accents.

Zhang's a choice based on popularity not talent or any thought on the role she'd be playing if she did get the part. She's barely competent in English speaking roles and a wonderful martial artist but completely wrong for Catwoman.

Michelle Yeoh would suit Selina better if they want an Asian Catwoman from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. She is a good English actress and brings with her great martial arts skills. Though she'd suit Shiva better.

[Alucard]

Kate Beckinsale would be the perfect choice. She has great acting chops and also has a Selina Kyle look to her.

[The Major]

Kate Beckinsale would be the perfect choice. She has great acting chops and also has a Selina Kyle look to her.

Agreed.

[Laderlappen]

Dont see the Beckinsale love. I have never seen Beckinsale being above 'ok'. Definetly not 'great'. There are very few times has even been 'ok'.

[Alucard]

Well, I happen to think very differently, and so do the 94 people who voted for her. I love her work, and think she's really great at the roles she plays. She is the perfect Catwoman choice.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5599/202472-89017-catwoman_super.jpg

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes33/underworld178%20.jpeg

[Golgo-13]

**** no to Sossamyn. We don't need another hack of an 'actress' after we fixed the first mistake with Gyllenhaal.

I concor.

Well, I happen to think very differently, and so do the 94 people who voted for her. I love her work, and think she's really great at the roles she plays. She is the perfect Catwoman choice.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5599/202472-89017-catwoman_super.jpg

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes33/underworld178%20.jpeg

Out of all the ppl on the poll, i would be most happiest with Beckinsale...

..but i still consider Lena Headey as THE PERFECT choice.

[Alucard]

Who's that?

And Beckinsale has said she'd be interested if they sent her a script. I hope it happens.

[The Major]

Who's that?


Sarah Connor from the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles tv show.

[Laderlappen]

And Beckinsale has said she'd be interested if they sent her a script. I hope it happens.Dont count on it.

[Alucard]

Sarah Connor from the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles tv show.

I think it'd be a horrible choice.

[Golgo-13]

I think it'd be a horrible choice.

Your reasons?

[Alucard]

Doesn't seem like a good actress and certainly doesn't have the look.

[Laderlappen]

A nice mix of sexy, class, coolness, and rock n roll. How does she not have the look?

[Golgo-13]

Doesn't seem like a good actress and certainly doesn't have the look.

I respect YOUR opinion but don't agree on either one of those assessments:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/indirav1/Lena_Headey_668611.jpg

What have you seen her in that that leads you to believe she's not a good actress?

[Alucard]

Just don't see anything relating her to Catwoman.

[Alucard]

Just don't see anything relating her to Catwoman.

[Golgo-13]

Just don't see anything relating her to Catwoman.

O.......Kay............ :huh:

[Laderlappen]

Just don't see anything relating her to Catwoman.Could you explain that? What does example Beckinsale have lookwise that she doesnt?

[Hole Shot]

Could you explain that? What does example Beckinsale have lookwise that she doesnt?

It's because Beckinsale has already played a character that fights people wearing black leather. Therefore SHE MUST BE CATWOMAN!


she is hot though. fwiw

[flickchick85]

No ^^^

and i watched la vie en rose, marion was AMAZINGLY TERRIFIC in it, but i dont like her looks for Catwoman. I just dont find her that beautiful and she reminds me a friend. She's too cute not beautiful enough for me
You don't mean her looks in La Vie En Rose, right? Since she looks nothing like that in real life, I just wanted to make sure, cuz ya never know around here.:cwink:

Lena Headey's not a bad actress from what I've seen, but does anyone else think she struggles with her accent? I can't put my finger on it but it sometimes bugs me on Terminator.

[Alucard]

O.......Kay............ :huh:

You act as if it's a crime for me to not want her as Catwoman.

[Melkay]

Come on Golgo-13... the guy has a point. In the picture all we can see is a sexy, slim, black-haired woman with heavy eye make up.

In fact, that's what most people are bringing up here... names of sexy black-haired (or brunettes) women and pics of these women in heavy eye make-up. Is that it? Is that all it takes to play Catwoman?

At least some people here like flickchick85 are coming up with great actresses like Marion Cotillard. Not just some semi-famous girls they happen to like.

[Crook]

You don't mean her looks in La Vie En Rose, right? Since she looks nothing like that in real life, I just wanted to make sure, cuz ya never know around here.:cwink:
For reference, Marion in her natural state:

http://www.babeaudit.com/images/tn2_marion_cotillard_2.jpg

http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/m/marion_cotillard/thumbnails/tn2_marion_cotillard_4.jpg

I can see the argument that she isn't an absolute stunner at first glance. Normally, that's what Selina should be like. But this is film, and as long as the girl has some innate beauty there, it can be accentuated. She looks very nice here:

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/images/2008/03/marion-cotillard-030208-03-thumb.jpg

Lena Headey's not a bad actress from what I've seen, but does anyone else think she struggles with her accent? I can't put my finger on it but it sometimes bugs me on Terminator.
A bit. She tends to whisper and slow down her speech at times. But it's nothing notable.

[Conebone69]

No catwoman! :cmad:

[OwlBoy]

Why not? And give a more convincing argument than "I don't think Batman needs a love interest", please.

[Golgo-13]

You act as if it's a crime for me to not want her as Catwoman.

No, it's just strange that you couldn't answer my question when i asked you why you felt that way.

[Golgo-13]

Come on Golgo-13... the guy has a point. In the picture all we can see is a sexy, slim, black-haired woman with heavy eye make up.

In fact, that's what most people are bringing up here... names of sexy black-haired (or brunettes) women and pics of these women in heavy eye make-up. Is that it? Is that all it takes to play Catwoman?

At least some people here like flickchick85 are coming up with great actresses like Marion Cotillard. Not just some semi-famous girls they happen to like.

I didn't just pick Headey cause she's slim ( i think she needs to add some weight to play Selina), brunnette,etc, i picked her because from what i've seen of her acting in various roles, she has the qualities of what i think would make a good Selina Kyle, and a formitable anti-hero opposite Batman. In all honestly the hair color doesn't matter to me. In fact i got quite comfortable with TAS's version of Selina being blonde.

As far as Marion Cotillard; i've NEVER seen her act, so i'll reserve judgement until i see some of her films. In my opinoin she looks rather timid and 'too cute'. An unfair assessment of if she can pull off the role, i know, but for right now that's all i have to go on. She looks too baby-faced to me; cute, but almost like Bales little sister cute.

[Conebone69]

Why not? And give a more convincing argument than "I don't think Batman needs a love interest", please.
She would look flat out cheesy and out of place. I just dont think she would fit well in nolans batman universe, at all!

[elgato]

No catwoman! :cmad:

Why? :whatever:
She's the most important woman in Batman's world and fits perfectly in Nolan's vison :o

[Mrs.J]

I dont think bruce needs another love interest becasue it henders his judgement and it makes him vulnerable.

I dont want to see catwoman honestly in any more movies. But if i had to pick i would say Kate beckinsale. She has the looks---the charisma---and she can kick a**. She has potential. I dont think we have seen what she is fully capable of as an actress. She got my vote.

[Conebone69]

Why? :whatever:
She's the most important woman in Batman's world and fits perfectly in Nolan's vison :o
Not in my opinion

[OwlBoy]

She would look flat out cheesy and out of place. I just dont think she would fit well in nolans batman universe, at all!

What? She's a thief. No superpowers, no real special technology, no mystical origins.

She just also happens to have a cat motif and hey, guess what? You're watching a movie about a grown man wearing a giant bat costume! You've already excepted three people running around in funny costumes so far, what's one more gonna hurt?

[Conebone69]

What? She's a thief. No superpowers, no real special technology, no mystical origins.

She just also happens to have a cat motif and hey, guess what? You're watching a movie about a grown man wearing a giant bat costume! You've already excepted three people running around in funny costumes so far, what's one more gonna hurt?
I know but batman actually has a cool origin about the bats and all. Just broadly think about this for a second, a chick dressed as a CAT. Nolans series is dark, serious and gloomy. And quite frankly I dont think a woman dressed as a cat falls in any of those catagories

[cerealkiller182]

She would look flat out cheesy and out of place. I just dont think she would fit well in nolans batman universe, at all!

lol no more cheesy than Batman does

[elgato]

Agree Owlman, besides, DUDE! IT'S A COMIC BOOK MOVIE!! NOT A BIOPIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON FICTIONAL COMIC BOOKS!

[Conebone69]

lol no more cheesy than Batman does
Just read above ^

[cerealkiller182]

I know but batman actually has a cool origin about the bats and all. Just broadly think about this for a second, a chick dressed as a CAT. Nolans series is dark, serious and gloomy. And quite frankly I dont think a woman dressed as a cat falls in any of those catagories

She represents escalation. Shes taking a page from Batmans notebook so to speak. A Catwoman can just as easily be in a dark serious and gloomy tone as a Batman can be in a big hammy cheesy tone

[Conebone69]

She represents escalation. Shes taking a page from Batmans notebook so to speak. A Catwoman can just as easily be in a dark serious and gloomy tone as a Batman can be in a big hammy cheesy tone
I wish I could think the same

[OwlBoy]

I know but batman actually has a cool origin about the bats and all. Just broadly think about this for a second, a chick dressed as a CAT. Nolans series is dark, serious and gloomy. And quite frankly I dont think a woman dressed as a cat falls in any of those catagories

Cat yes, like a panther or a leopard. All stealthy and quite deadly; if you've ever actually held a bat they're a hell of a lot less scary close up than a cat is. She's a thief, it makes sense for her to pick that kinda iconography given her work.

Hell you want a "good" reason for her to be dressed as a cat? If you're a guard working in a museum where you have to look after rare and expensive artifacts and it gets robbed; is anyone going to believe you weren't hitting the hooch if you told everyone a giant cat made off with the goods?

Seriously the "silly looking" or "wouldn't fit with the world" argument would work if we were talking about Clayface or Mr. Freeze, who have a legitimate place in Batman's rogues gallery but may be difficult work in but Catwoman?

Of all costumed characters in superhero comics she's probably the only one I could see actually existing as-is in our world without much trouble.

[cerealkiller182]

I wish I could think the same

I dont see why you cant. Secretive, manipulative, criminal, seductive, all characteristics of femme fatales in past thrillers (even though shes not actually fatal). An added sense of flirt and fun, not to Jokers extent, not to the extent to ruin the entire tone, just enough to grind Bats gears. Stealthy, hides in the shadow, her threat is both symbolic and psychological. Symbolic in that she is a possible symbol of social rebellion in the same snese that Batman represents order, and psychological that she fogs Bats judgement with her feminine ways. I dont see how it doesnt fit.

[Conebone69]

Cat yes, like a panther or a leopard. All stealthy and quite deadly; if you've ever actually held a bat they're a hell of a lot less scary close up than a cat is. She's a thief, it makes sense for her to pick that kinda iconography given her work.

Hell you want a "good" reason for her to be dressed as a cat? If you're a guard working in a museum where you have to look after rare and expensive artifacts and it gets robbed; is anyone going to believe you weren't hitting the hooch if you told everyone a giant cat made off with the goods?

Seriously the "silly looking" or "wouldn't fit with the world" argument would work if we were talking about Clayface or Mr. Freeze, who have a legitimate place in Batman's rogues gallery but may be difficult work in but Catwoman?

Of all costumed characters in superhero comics she's probably the only one I could see actually existing as-is in our world without much trouble.

I dont see why you cant. Secretive, manipulative, criminal, seductive, all characteristics of femme fatales in past thrillers (even though shes not actually fatal). An added sense of flirt and fun, not to Jokers extent, not to the extent to ruin the entire tone, just enough to grind Bats gears. I dont see how it doesnt fit.
Sorry, I just cant see her fitting in the movie. And I dont think I ever will

[flickchick85]

As far as Marion Cotillard; i've NEVER seen her act, so i'll reserve judgement until i see some of her films. In my opinoin she looks rather timid and 'too cute'. An unfair assessment of if she can pull off the role, i know, but for right now that's all i have to go on. She looks too baby-faced to me; cute, but almost like Bales little sister cute.
Looking at her pictures, I can see how it would seem that way to people who have never seen her work. But I can pretty much guarantee you that perception would change within 2-minutes of seeing her in character on screen, because being pretty familiar with her most prominent roles, I honestly can't think of a single time I've seen her playing a cutesy, sweet timid character. Well, I guess Big Fish would be one, but that's it. Trust me, she excels at the strong females/tough chicks/femme fatales. And La Vie En Rose showed us she can be larger-than-life glamorous, too. Plus, I do think she seems more baby-faced in pictures than in motion, since I've never thought that of her when watching her in movies, but I've definitely noticed it in the pictures. Must be her "picture face" or something, lol.:yay:

ETA: Am I the only one who doesn't think she needs to technically be dressed "as a cat" to be Catwoman? I mean, what's wrong with a general catburglar outfit? She'd still be a female CATburglar, which would be enough to give her the moniker. I don't think the ears and tail are really the essence of the character...but then, not being a comics-reader I'm probably less of a "purist" than most folks here...

[Alucard]

I'd also like to see Scarlett Johansson in the role.

[SuperZer0]

:wow: Jolie and Beckinsale are tied with 94 votes!

[Alucard]

Amazing, isn't it?

http://www.thecelebrityblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/angelina-jolie-vanity-fair.jpg

[Melkay]

I didn't just pick Headey cause she's slim ( i think she needs to add some weight to play Selina), brunnette,etc, i picked her because from what i've seen of her acting in various roles, she has the qualities of what i think would make a good Selina Kyle, and a formitable anti-hero opposite Batman. In all honestly the hair color doesn't matter to me. In fact i got quite comfortable with TAS's version of Selina being blonde.

As far as Marion Cotillard; i've NEVER seen her act, so i'll reserve judgement until i see some of her films. In my opinoin she looks rather timid and 'too cute'. An unfair assessment of if she can pull off the role, i know, but for right now that's all i have to go on. She looks too baby-faced to me; cute, but almost like Bales little sister cute.

Have you seen Lena Hadey in strong roles but also flirtatious, lascive, witty, ambiguous, apparently in love, etc.?
What are the qualities that you say? Because I haven't seen her in anything else than TSCC.

As far as Cotillard, one of flickchick85 earlier posts mentions many of her roles and almost every aspect of Catwoman's personality has been covered in her career. Every aspect. Do you think she's too cute? Go to The Manips thread and look for elgato's latest poster. Do that.