The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Two-Face]

That just sucks JMC :down


It was WB lawyers?

[Laderlappen]

Yes that sucks. What exactly did you do "wrong", do you know that?

[jmc]

That just sucks JMC :down


It was WB lawyers?

Actually no it wasn't, just some guy who just goes around DA reporting copyright violations.

Yes that sucks. What exactly did you do "wrong", do you know that?

Apparently on Deviant Art your not allowed to used 'copyrighted' material unless you've got permission, this despite the fact the site is littered with 100's of thousands of artworks using 'copyrighted' material. I've actually emailed WB legal to see if I can get permission to use the images on DA, waiting to here back from them.

[Golgo-13]

^ Well, she's apparently becoming a somewhat popular option among fans. Have any of you people seen this?

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/08/21/check-this-out-more-dark-knight-sequel-fan-art-harley-quinn/

http://www.insidethegold.com/2008/08/gotham-city.html

I don't fancy them myself (they're extremely well done but I prefered elgato's work) but it puts a smile on my face :)
They're well done although i'd prefer Headey or Theron.

[DavidTyler]

If they were going older with the character I'd definitely want Demi Moore. I think she could definitely bring the Miller version of the character to life.

[Melkay]

If they were going older with the character I'd definitely want Demi Moore. I think she could definitely bring the Miller version of the character to life.

The question being... do we want the Miller version?

[Laderlappen]

No, we dont.

[TDK86]

I voted for Charlize Theron. Great actress and she is what Selina Kyle looks like in my mind.

[Golgo-13]

You know i could also see Courtney Cox as Selina. And no it's not because she's a hot brunette. Like DavidTyler said above, i see her in the same league as Demi Moore would be. She looks good for her age.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/indirav1/c_carquette6.jpg

[Laderlappen]

You know i could also see Courtney Cox as Selina. And no it's not because she's a hot brunette. Like DavidTyler said above, i see her in the same league as Demi Moore would be. She looks good for her age.
That's a good thing?

[elgato]

Courtney's too old. Ditto

Marion, Eliza, Rachel, Charlize or Angie. Pick a card, any card

[Crook]

Courtney Cox would have been such a perfect Lois in her prime. But she's too old for that role now, and certainly too old for Selina.

[elgato]

^ Well, she's apparently becoming a somewhat popular option among fans. Have any of you people seen this?

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/08/21/check-this-out-more-dark-knight-sequel-fan-art-harley-quinn/

http://www.insidethegold.com/2008/08/gotham-city.html

I don't fancy them myself (they're extremely well done but I prefered elgato's work) but it puts a smile on my face :)

I'm so glad you like my work Melkay, JMC, GOSH! IS SO ANNOYING THAT PEOPLE ARE JEALOUS OF YOUR WORK AND USE SO STUPID ESXCUSES FOR DELETING IT FROM DEVIANTART, AWESOME WORK BTW

[Golgo-13]

That's a good thing?

Yes. Look i don't think it's all about their age, as much as, how old they look on screen regardless of their real life age. Angie Jolie is 32 but she could pass for a woman in her mid-twenties imo; same with Theron. Lena Headey is 34 and looks about her age. A Catwoman in the same age range as Bale's Bruce Wayne,or older, is perfect for me. A Selina Kyle that is a tad more mature, intelligent and doesn't come off as a young bimbo taken by the millionaire Bruce Waynes boyish charms is what makes Selina Kyle such a challenge and attraction for Bruce Wayne. She should be the one in control of their edgy relationship and that's why i prefer an older looking Ms.Kyle. Cox is 43 but watching her on the show 'Dirt' she could easily pass for a woman of Theron or Jolie's real age.

[DavidTyler]

No, we dont.

OK.

So what version of the character are you hoping to see?

If it's not a version that comes from comix, maybe you can put a description together so we can see what you're thinking,

[Laderlappen]

I like the Long Halloween/Dark Victory Catwoman. Maybe a little from Hush. The prostitute orgin from year one is terrible imo.

[Ziggyman]

I liked the prostitute angle in Year One...

[batboy99]

the prostitute angle was horrible. Especially for catwoman, ti totally ruined what catwoman/selina are. Beautiful, high class cat burglar, not a damn prostitute waiting to be picked up by some random guy.

[Two-Face]

I liked the prostitute angle in Year One...

I prefer BTAS angle of it.... Y1 Catwoman didn't appeal to me.

[Ziggyman]

I prefer BTAS angle of it.... Y1 Catwoman didn't appeal to me.

Angie appeals to me...I think we both can agree...

[The Major]

I like the Long Halloween/Dark Victory Catwoman. Maybe a little from Hush. The prostitute orgin from year one is terrible imo.

I'd like Selina to be like the Ed Brubaker, Will Phiefer or Batman:TAS versions in the movies.

[Laderlappen]

Yes Selina should have class. Y1 was the oposite to that.

[Two-Face]

Angie appeals to me...I think we both can agree...

Yes :up:

[elgato]

Angie... :heartmelt:

[Crook]

Yes. Look i don't think it's all about their age, as much as, how old they look on screen regardless of their real life age. Angie Jolie is 32 but she could pass for a woman in her mid-twenties imo; same with Theron. Lena Headey is 34 and looks about her age. A Catwoman in the same age range as Bale's Bruce Wayne,or older, is perfect for me. A Selina Kyle that is a tad more mature, intelligent and doesn't come off as a young bimbo taken by the millionaire Bruce Waynes boyish charms is what makes Selina Kyle such a challenge and attraction for Bruce Wayne. She should be the one in control of their edgy relationship and that's why i prefer an older looking Ms.Kyle. Cox is 43 but watching her on the show 'Dirt' she could easily pass for a woman of Theron or Jolie's real age.
Selina has typically been portrayed around the same age as Bruce, or younger rather than older. Cox looks very well for her age, but imo looks too old to match with Bale.

The youthful and mature look of Jolie/Theron would suit the character better.

the prostitute angle was horrible. Especially for catwoman, ti totally ruined what catwoman/selina are. Beautiful, high class cat burglar, not a damn prostitute waiting to be picked up by some random guy.
People forget that in Y1 there was no Catwoman. It was early Selina. There is no contradiction there since it effectively showcases the character before she came to riches and led a lavish lifestyle.

And I'd like to see where this proof is that Selina was a prostitute. At best, she was a dominatrix.

[DavidTyler]

Selina has typically been portrayed around the same age as Bruce, or younger rather than older. Cox looks very well for her age, but imo looks too old to match with Bale.

The youthful and mature look of Jolie/Theron would suit the character better.


People forget that in Y1 there was no Catwoman. It was early Selina. There is no contradiction there since it effectively showcases the character before she came to riches and led a lavish lifestyle.

And I'd like to see where this proof is that Selina was a prostitute. At best, she was a dominatrix.

yes.

I prefer this version. It brings in a more adult angle.

And, personally, I think a prostitute (not that she was) who overcomes that and becomes a strong, independent woman like Selina is a more interesting story.

[Ethermatic]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8408/photoshoots109qc5.jpg

[elgato]

Talia :O

[Two-Face]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8408/photoshoots109qc5.jpg


Eva is hot there, I definitely think she will be great Selina/Catwoman if she's chosen.

[flickchick85]

I haven't read Year One, so I don't know how well that interpretation was pulled off, but for Nolan's series, I'd prefer Selina to be more enigmatic. I don't want to know exactly what her past was. Sure, they can allude to things, but to me, what's important about her is who she is NOW: A rich, upper class socialite with a giant ego, a hunger for thrills, and zero respect for the law, yet she's totally devoted those attributes, her life, and wealth to making Gotham a better place - in her way. That concept is SUCH an enigma to me, that providing a background that explains exactly how she got that way just seems to cheapen it, imo.

I'd prefer to have them allude to/hint at little details (give her old friends/informants on the streets, flippant throw away comments about her childhood, etc.), but keep her as mysterious as possible. That would also suggest that this character is here for the long term, as they will leave much about her background that they can mine for future installments.

Give the imaginations of the viewers a little credit and let them fill in the blanks as they see fit. Nothing wrong with a little ambiguity.

As I've said several times before, I only know BTAS. I knew pretty much nothing about that Selina's background, and I liked it that way.

[regwec]

Her demand for a degree of privacy and her avoidance of questions about her past could actually be affected in such a way that it seems like her interrogator had commited a serious social faux pas, and her reticense would be interpreted as the modesty that comes with good breeding.

That would put her and Bruce in different ends of the same boat, which could be interesting.

[Crook]

I could deal with that if, and only if, hints and character attributes subtly suggest a certain history and past.

Ala Joker in TDK. Reading in-between the lines, you could sorta piece together the character's historical outline and motivations.

[regwec]

If I can be permitted to be sexist enough to suggest that, as a lonely young woman with a powerful affection for cats, she is likely to be a sentimentalist; then some silhouette of a history could be formed by physical objects- photos and momentos. That wouldn't be unlike the effect of Thomas Wayne's stethescope in BB>

[Laderlappen]

With the Joker, I think his orgin has to be a mystery. With Selina I dont think its that necassary. But who knows, it might work that way too.
Her past dont need to be very complicated.

[jmc]

Selina has to have some back story, things don't have to fully explained but she can't be a character with absolutely no history like the Joker.

[The Major]

Selina has to have some back story, things don't have to fully explained but she can't be a character with absolutely no history like the Joker.

Agreed.

She's better off with that since it gives her more depth IMO.

[The Major]

Talia :O

Green is my first choice for Talia. She'd make a good Selina, though.

[Ethermatic]

Green is my first choice for Talia. She'd make a good Selina, though.

Although Eva Green did a decent English accent in Casino Royale, I feel she's better suited for Selina Kyle. I'd much prefer a more authentic Brit like Rachel Weisz for Talia Head/al Ghul to be a little more similar to Liam Neeson's accent as Ducard/al Ghul. Granted, Liam Neeson is Irish.

[gwynplaine]

Talia :O

You really like french actresses. Check out Ludivine Sagnier in "the swimming pool", you won't regret it:cwink:. (even though I am not really interested in the character, she'd make a great Harley).

[batnkevlar]

Selina has typically been portrayed around the same age as Bruce, or younger rather than older. Cox looks very well for her age, but imo looks too old to match with Bale.

The youthful and mature look of Jolie/Theron would suit the character better.


People forget that in Y1 there was no Catwoman. It was early Selina. There is no contradiction there since it effectively showcases the character before she came to riches and led a lavish lifestyle.

And I'd like to see where this proof is that Selina was a prostitute. At best, she was a dominatrix.

Uh, yeah there was. There was Catwoman in Year One. She does put on the suit.

[Ziggyman]

Uh, yeah there was. There was Catwoman in Year One. She does put on the suit.

Yeah...She also takes on the persona of Catwoman...

[Crook]

Scans? I don't remember ever seeing Catwoman in BY1. At least in full-on character, robbing and such. :huh:

EDIT: Nvm, I just checked my copy. WOW. It must've been a long while, because I didn't remember her Catwoman scenes at all. My point still stands though. From what I saw, it was her first stint in the costume and she wasn't the same position that the current Selina is in now. It was something developed over time. And if I recall, her own Y1 series clarified that she was a thief posing as a prostitute/dominatrix in order to steal...or something like that. Whatever the case, her poor and rough background doesn't negate anything about the character.

[The Major]

Although Eva Green did a decent English accent in Casino Royale, I feel she's better suited for Selina Kyle. I'd much prefer a more authentic Brit like Rachel Weisz for Talia Head/al Ghul to be a little more similar to Liam Neeson's accent as Ducard/al Ghul. Granted, Liam Neeson is Irish.

True, Weisz would be better if they make her related to Ra's.

But Green could work as another pupil to Ra's that isn't his biological daughter who took over the League after his death.

[Ethermatic]

True, Weisz would be better if they make her related to Ra's.

But Green could work as another pupil to Ra's that isn't his biological daughter who took over the League after his death.

Which would have to be an original character, which I don't think Nolan would do. Or it would have to be Lady Shiva or Cassandra Cain. She can't pass as Shiva and I highly doubt Cassandra Cain would ever be introduced in Nolan's series.

[The Major]

Which would have to be an original character, which I don't think Nolan would do.

Talia can work without being related to Ra's.

Or it would have to be Lady Shiva or Cassandra Cain.

Shiva would be great to see in Nolan's films but they can go into more interesting territory with Talia.

Casandra could work only they'd need David Cain as the main villain.

She can't pass as Shiva

Nor would I want her to.

Michelle Yeoh, Maggie Q or Grace park would suit Shiva.

and I highly doubt Cassandra Cain would ever be introduced in Nolan's series.

Agreed.

[Melkay]

Talia can work without being related to Ra's.

False. Talia's best stories are the ones that use her father, and even in those storylines she's not such a great character.

Talia without Ra's is wrong.

[The Major]

False. Talia's best stories are the ones that use her father,

She doesn't have to be his daughter to have a close relationship with him.

and even in those storylines she's not such a great character.

Just because she doesn't have many good story lines doesn't mean she can't make a good villain in Nolan's movies. They can take her places the comics can't.

Talia without Ra's is wrong.

I disagree. It could work.

Not having Ra's would push her into a confrontation against Batman.

She doesn't need to be related to do this.

They don't need to update her that much to be an interesting threat in the movies.

[elgato]

There's a Talia thread!!!

Let's move on to her!:

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/batman_gotham_city_catspath_00.jpg

[Crook]

That's your best one yet. Finally a functional suit that doesn't sacrifice a shapely form. :o

[elgato]

Thanks! I think I will also post it without the background

[Melkay]

She doesn't have to be his daughter to have a close relationship with him.

Do you care to explain why you're gonna make her close to him but NOT his daughter?

Just because she doesn't have many good story lines doesn't mean she can't make a good villain in Nolan's movies. They can take her places the comics can't.

The Nolans are making adapted stories, they have to feed from the comics. The comics are their main inspiration, mainly because they contain so many stories issued over so many years, that it shows a great deal of ways the character's has been explored.
I know the Nolans can do miracles... but why bother with this character? Don't tell me about 'potential'. Tell me about 'possibilities'. Tell me ideas for the character.

I disagree. It could work.

Not having Ra's would push her into a confrontation against Batman.

She doesn't need to be related to do this.

They don't need to update her that much to be an interesting threat in the movies.

So, basically, it's League Of Shadows all over again, except now Batman is fighting a 'super hot-ass-kicking girl'?
The strength of using Talia is putting Batman between the sword and the hard place. He's tempted and heavily attracted by her, but her father is... well, her father, Ra's al Ghul... a world-known terrorist who happens to always have plans for "The Detective". Talia is made to add further pressure to Bats, to give him a conflict of interests, to be an ambiguous character who can't be easily read. Is she with or against her father's plans?

You're proposing to strip the character out of those qualities.... and, well, give him new ones. So, what do you want from the orginal character in
the first place? Because of the hotness?

But I'd love to move this back to the Talia thread, if you don't mind.

[Melkay]

Let's move on to her!:

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/batman_gotham_city_catspath_00.jpg

As I said in the fanart thread, that's your best Cotillard so far. Terrific. I still see the hair a bit weird (two different colors) and I know is something from the original photo lighting. But you should be able to fix that.

Great work! That's the Catwoman I want to see.

But now I wonder... would her face be too recognizable in that headpiece? Should the sexy aspects of her face be concealed in order to preserve her identity?

You should try something, elgato... try painting black arround her eyes... like what Batman does with his eyes beneath the mask. Just to see how would that look.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that is a great poster guv'na. I think she is the best choice for Catwoman.

[flickchick85]

Great manip, elgato! Though I think it does illustrate that goggles are pretty much necessary for preserving her identity (plus, they'd have a practical use...unlike black make-up).

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yay! Marion Cotillard goodness! She sure is a pretty lady:grin: and would make a damn fine Catwoman, IMO.

[gwynplaine]

Sarah Palin. Just kidding (even though she looks like Selina pre-Catwoman).
Just saw Returns again, was better in my memory. And there is something that I always find ridiculous in a movie is when they are trying to pretend that a hot actress is very ordinary by giving her glasses, tying her hair and have her wear austere clothes. That's exactly what they're doing with Pfeiffer as Selina at the beginning of the film. (then it gets better imo when she becomes Catwoman).

[Crook]

I thought they did a good job of making her look very plain. There ARE girls out there that don't even recognize their hotness because they dress so badly. Lord knows I have a few in my Women's Studies class. :o

[gwynplaine]

I thought they did a good job of making her look very plain. There ARE girls out there that don't even recognize their hotness because they dress so badly. Lord knows I have a few in my Women's Studies class. :o
If you say so, but it just doesn't work for me in the movies, a hottie is a hottie, you can't hide that fact. Also I thought that Pfeiffer as Selina was really overacting and would have benefitted from a little more direction from Burton. Just my opinion.

[Crook]

Yeah, it's all opinion. I just don't find this particularly flattering and devoid of any hotness potential:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/thebewitchedbee/selina.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batmanreturnsdvd2.jpg

[Mercurius]

Yeah, it's all opinion. I just don't find this particularly flattering and devoid of any hotness potential:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/thebewitchedbee/selina.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batmanreturnsdvd2.jpg


Agreed.

And I think Pfeiffer was exact for the tone of that movie, in terms of acting.

And, still, I suppose it will be a very tough call to beat her in that role.

[OwlBoy]

Nah, you just have to construct a Selina/Catwoman that's suitably divorced what Pfeiffer and Berry did. If you adapt her comic origin, its not that hard really.

[Ronny Shade]

What happened to Natalie Portman? did that fad sail while I was away?

[Two-Face]

No Roony, this is new poll.

[Ronny Shade]

my point is that she's not on this poll. back pre TDK everyone was into that choice or so I recall.

[Bim]

Nah, you just have to construct a Selina/Catwoman that's suitably divorced what Pfeiffer and Berry did. If you adapt her comic origin, its not that hard really.
Oh plz, dont even put Berry's catwoman (if one can even call it that) in the same sentence as Pfeiffer :huh: :hehe:

[Ronny Shade]

Catwoman seems too innocent for this franchise. I can't make it work in my head.

[Grommers]

http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/admin/miley_cyrus_trump2.jpg



My choice. She has proven she can act in her latest movie, as well as has a very high posh look.


Yes, this is a joke.

[Two-Face]

http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/admin/miley_cyrus_trump2.jpg



My choice. She has proven she can act in her latest movie, as well as has a very high posh look.


Yes, this is a joke.




HA! :2face:

[Laderlappen]

Catwoman seems too innocent for this franchise. I can't make it work in my head.Innocent? Umm, what?
Portman was never a fad. She was talked about a little. That's it.

[Johnny Drama]

http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/admin/miley_cyrus_trump2.jpg



My choice. She has proven she can act in her latest movie, as well as has a very high posh look.


Yes, this is a joke.


That is not a very funny joke at all

[Ronny Shade]

Innocent? Umm, what?

She's too harmless to be a villain. After the Joker she looks like a care bear.

At this point Batman's into much bigger **** than stopping cat-burglars.

[cerealkiller182]

Shes more of a love interest than a rogue though. If shes in it, shes not the major threat

[Ronny Shade]

What makes her a foil is that Batman loves her but she's against what he stands for. She has to be somewhat of a villain.

[cerealkiller182]

What makes her a foil is that Batman loves her but she's against what he stands for. She has to be somewhat of a villain.

She'll be a theif (break the law) obviously but she wont be the main threat. There will be someone bigger and badder for the main plot. The romance would be a subplot if even used.

[Laderlappen]

She's too harmless to be a villain. After the Joker she looks like a care bear.

At this point Batman's into much bigger **** than stopping cat-burglars.She's not a villian.

[Ronny Shade]

She's not a villian.
I understand that....but she has to be an opponent or the character relationship doesn't work

[Melkay]

She's too harmless to be a villain. After the Joker she looks like a care bear.

At this point Batman's into much bigger **** than stopping cat-burglars.


Catwoman is a master thief, and there are many important things that can be can stolen...

What about stealing important technological creations from Lucius Fox?
What about acceding to Wayne Enterprises's secret and now destroyed bat-sonar?
What about deviating billions of dollars from Gotham's major companies? Did you see the viral marketing for TDK? In Gotham Tonight, they stressed once how W.E., if collapsed, would bring down Gotham's economical foundations. And in the light of today's events, we know that is not so wacko after all.

Information, weapons, technology, funds... I can see Catwoman stealing that. And if things like those go to the hands of the film's main threat, things can get ugly.

[az824]

She'll be a theif (break the law) obviously but she wont be the main threat. There will be someone bigger and badder for the main plot. The romance would be a subplot if even used.
if catwoman is used the romance angle has to be used, thats what makes her character great: her relationship with batman

[Mercurius]

She's too harmless to be a villain. After the Joker she looks like a care bear.

At this point Batman's into much bigger **** than stopping cat-burglars.

Maybe, you know, adding some SM twist: both dressed in black...:woot:

[Ronny Shade]

Catwoman is a master thief, and there are many important things that can be can stolen...

What about stealing important technological creations from Lucius Fox?
What about acceding to Wayne Enterprises's secret and now destroyed bat-sonar?
What about deviating billions of dollars from Gotham's major companies? Did you see the viral marketing for TDK? In Gotham Tonight, they stressed once how W.E., if collapsed, would bring down Gotham's economical foundations. And in the light of today's events, we know that is not so wacko after all.

Information, weapons, technology, funds... I can see Catwoman stealing that. And if things like those go to the hands of the film's main threat, things can get ugly.


This is good. This could work.

[gwynplaine]

Maybe, you know, adding some SM twist: both dressed in black...:woot:
I thought Burton did the SM thing pretty well in Returns.

[Ziggyman]

I'm still for Cotillard and Angie!

[elgato]

I'm into Marion, Eliza Dushku, Rachel Weisz, or Angie, maybe also Charlize Theron

[Two-Face]

I'm into Marion, Eliza Dushku, Rachel Weisz, or Angie, maybe also Charlize Theron



No Beckinsale?

[elgato]

Maybe, I like her, she's got seome decent acting chops. but I think we need GOOD, not decent. BTW, Two Face. I'm working on an Angie manip :D

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm into Marion, Eliza Dushku, Rachel Weisz, or Angie, maybe also Charlize Theron

I'd be down for any of them, EXCEPT ELIZA. She's such a lame actor, why in the hell would Nolan cast her in Batman? We need more than a hot piece of ass in this movie.

[Two-Face]

Maybe, I like her, she's got seome decent acting chops. but I think we need GOOD, not decent. BTW, Two Face. I'm working on an Angie manip :D

Kate is an good actress, her and Bale work well together.

Oh yeah? I like to see it once you finished. :up: :2face:

[Verdammt]

Here's a vote for other....Priyanka Chupra.



http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/VerdammtV/PriyankaChopra3.jpg

[flickchick85]

^I have no clue who she is, but going off looks alone, I'd have to say she looks like a better Talia to me.


Right now my top choices are probably Marion Cotillard, Rachel Weisz, Charlize Theron, and Michelle Monaghan.

[Ishmayl]

Here's a vote for other....Priyanka Chupra.



http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/VerdammtV/PriyankaChopra3.jpg


Can't happen, she'll be too busy playing Wonder Woman! ;)

[Verdammt]

Can't happen, she'll be too busy playing Wonder Woman! ;)

We can only hope.

[Laderlappen]

umm, some unknown indian actress?

[Verdammt]

umm, some unknown indian actress?

Everybody is unknown at some point in their career.

[az824]

Maybe, I like her, she's got seome decent acting chops. but I think we need GOOD, not decent. BTW, Two Face. I'm working on an Angie manip :D
ooh cool, cant wait to see it. i actually like the marion manip u did despite not wanting her for catwoman

[Laderlappen]

Everybody is unknown at some point in their career.Yeah. So?

[Verdammt]

Yeah. So?

So don't knock it until you try it.........

[cerealkiller182]

So don't knock it until you try it.........

you cant expect people to support a choice with no proof.

[Verdammt]

you cant expect people to support a choice with no proof.

Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof.

[cerealkiller182]

Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof.

You can expect people not to support choices without proof just about always. Unknowns are hard to impress passed looks with no discernable talent or presence to analyze.

Everyone has a reason for choosing Jolie, Theron, Monaghan, Cotillard, etc., but it would be hard to turn people over despite the proof all four exhibit.

I mean if you think being unknown doesnt matter to a message board discussion (obviously it doesnt matter as much in actual screen tests) than any actress with a head shot could just be suggested with nothing really to discuss which is why we're here in the first place.

[Laderlappen]

So don't knock it until you try it.........
Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof.
What does this^ even mean? What rock solid proof? Knock it?

[Verdammt]

What does this^ even mean? What rock solid proof? Knock it?

That first thing means, don't say no just because you've never seen what someone is capable of. Just because someone is an unknown don't mean they won't give a knockout performance in their first high profile role. Was Orlando Bloom really well known before he was cast as Legolas? I had never heard of him and I think he nailed that role perfectly.

That second thing wasn't about who I suggested. It was a counterpoint to the previous argument of not being able to convince people without proof. There are people out there that you will never convince that Jolie will be a good Catwoman even though she has done some very good roles. It was a sarcastic, tongue-in-check counterpoint to a point.

I'm not trying to convince you that she would be the perfect Catwoman, I'm just throwing a new name into the hat for discussion other than those that have been beaten to death for over 1000 posts.

[flickchick85]

Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof.
It sounds like you might be thinking of a specific example there. I'm assuming it's not the unknown you just brought up, but rather someone from a previous discussion. Care to share who you were talking about? Or am I just misinterpreting?

ETA: Nevermind, just read your above post. Carry on. :)

[Verdammt]

ETA: Nevermind, just read your above post. Carry on. :)


Your wayward son is carrying on
But there will be peace when I am done
Then I'll lay my weary head to rest
And I won't cry no more.

:p

[Laderlappen]

That first thing means, don't say no just because you've never seen what someone is capable of. Just because someone is an unknown don't mean they won't give a knockout performance in their first high profile role. Was Orlando Bloom really well known before he was cast as Legolas? I had never heard of him and I think he nailed that role perfectly.

That second thing wasn't about who I suggested. It was a counterpoint to the previous argument of not being able to convince people without proof. There are people out there that you will never convince that Jolie will be a good Catwoman even though she has done some very good roles. It was a sarcastic, tongue-in-check counterpoint to a point.

I'm not trying to convince you that she would be the perfect Catwoman, I'm just throwing a new name into the hat for discussion other than those that have been beaten to death for over 1000 posts.Unknown doesnt equal bad, I know. But even if I haven't seen her in anything, I doubt that she is in the same league as the actors in The Dark Knight because then I WOULD know who she is. Looking at her imdb profile she seems to have only made b-movies. And then you comparing her to Orlando Bloom doesn't help. Bloom is not one of those actors that is often talked about their greatness. He's often called one of the worst actors in hollywood. He was the weakest part of LOTR. Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose Orlando Bloom?

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I still not sure what your point is. You said 'Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof'.
Is Jolie an example of that? If yes, what proof is there that she'd be good? If Jolie is a proof, Marion must be too.

[Verdammt]

Unknown doesnt equal bad, I know. But even if I haven't seen her in anything, I doubt that she is in the same league as the actors in The Dark Knight because then I WOULD know who she is. Looking at her imdb profile she seems to have only made b-movies. And then you comparing her to Orlando Bloom doesn't help. Bloom is not one of those actors that is often talked about their greatness. He's often called one of the worst actors in hollywood. He was the weakest part of LOTR. Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose Orlando Bloom?

I seriously doubt that there is any ACTRESS in Hollywood right now that is in the same league as the ACTORS in The Dark Knight. At least not in the age range that would be required. Granted, 90% of the names being bandied about are either decent or pretty good actresses, but only a couple of them have done a really knockout role and A Girl Interrupted was 9 yeras ago. Yes, I admit, Bloom was a bad choice, but he was the first one that popped into my mind when I typed that. Maybe I should have used the best hero from the Star Wars and said Harrison Ford or gone with the Best Superman and said Christopher Reeve.

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I still not sure what your point is. You said 'Half the time, you can't expect people to support a choice with rock solid proof'.
Is Jolie an example of that? If yes, what proof is there that she'd be good? If Jolie is a proof, Marion must be too.

Everybody is an example of that and to be honest, there is no rock solid proof that anybody will be good in any part, but let me try and explain what I was getting at. I will use Jolie as an example, but this goes for any actress. (Me personally, I don't want Jolie as Catwoman, but that's just me.) If I wanted Jolie to be Catwoman, I could point out her Oscar for Girl Interrupted. I could point out all the great roles she's done, Hackers, Pushing Tin, the Tomb Raider movies and all of that combined would be rock solid proof TO ME that she is perfect, BUT, I will never convince someobody who thinks they have rock solid proof that Charlize Theron would be perfect because she also has an Oscar win and has done some good roles. Rock solid proof is subjective to the individual and you'll be hard pressed to convince anybody else that your proof is indeed rock solid.

[Laderlappen]

Alright then. But I have to disagree with you about there not being any actresses in the same league as the The Dark Knight actors.

[Verdammt]

Alright then. But I have to disagree with you about there not being any actresses in the same league as the The Dark Knight actors.

That just may be my bias that I really don't have a favorite actress and therefore haven't watched alot of movies that would showcase an actress. I'll admit, there may be some. Maybe I need to go to the movies more.

[flickchick85]

That just may be my bias that I really don't have a favorite actress and therefore haven't watched alot of movies that would showcase an actress. I'll admit, there may be some. Maybe I need to go to the movies more.
Yeah, I'd argue based on the films they've carried, that Marion Cotillard and Charlize Theron are both in the same league as the cast from TDK when it comes to acting skill. In fact, if I were ranking them with the cast for skill/range ALONE (aka, not "icon status" or anything), I'd probably rank it something like this:

Gary Oldman
Marion Cotillard/Heath Ledger (I can't decide there)
Charlize Theron/Christian Bale (ditto)
Michael Caine
Morgan Freeman
Aaron Eckhart
Maggie Gyllenhaal


And for the record, I've been impressed with all of them in their careers, so I'm not trying to diss any of them. But Theron and Cotillard are definitely in the top tier of that "league" when talking talent/range, imo.

[batboy99]

I'd be down for any of them, EXCEPT ELIZA. She's such a lame actor, why in the hell would Nolan cast her in Batman? We need more than a hot piece of ass in this movie.
I highly doubt he would ever cast eliza. Shes definetly no where near as good as the rest of the cast(this coming from a huge eliza fan as well). I only see her working if they do some sort of TV show or something, other than that, i dont think so. Shes not a horrible actress, but she isnt good enough to go toe to toe with the rest of the cast.

[july]

Some actresses, like Eliza, belong on the small screen. Kate Beckinsale is a t.v calibre actress who has been given a whole heap of opportunities to become a major movie-star but has failed in all her attempts; Once you've played Adam Sandler's love interest in a movie, it's all downhill from there! (Winona Ryder and Jessica Biel are prime examples).

Marion Cotillard as Catwoman and Eva Green as Talia with Johnny Depp as the Riddler:
that would be perfect casting.

[flickchick85]

I like the way you think, july! I could definitely get behind that casting, all 3 of 'em. And welcome to the boards!

[DoomGeneration]

since i havent visited this thread since like page 30, i think i'd like to see Morena Baccarin... i'm sure someone's probably already mentioned her, but she doesnt seem to get any recognition so...

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050831/12/1731819491.jpg

she's got the geek cred... she studied at julliard... she's about the right age... brunette, speaks english. hasnt been in any huge movies.

[Laderlappen]

geek cred?

[july]

I like the way you think, july! I could definitely get behind that casting, all 3 of 'em. And welcome to the boards!


Thanks Flickchick, it would be awesome to have both selina and Talia, along with the riddler, in the next instalment with that cast. Though having Eva and Marion on the screen together could be one huge distraction!

[DoomGeneration]

geek cred?

probably not the right term, but she's done

firefly, stargate sg-1, justice league.

off the top of my head i can only think of rosario dawson and kristin bell who have worked in sci-fi and comic properties... maybe sarah michelle gellar.

[Laderlappen]

Why is that important? And why is it more important than acting?

[DoomGeneration]

Why is that important? And why is it more important than acting?

did you not see the part about julliard? you have to be pretty damn talented to get into that school... here's a list of actors off the top of my head:
christopher reeve
robin williams
jamie foxx
kevin spacy

having done sci-fi and comics is just icing on the cake.

[InvisibleWoman]

Gemma Arterton is really growing on me as a possible Catwoman contender. She's young and fresh and undoubtedly talented...

http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc543/th_07419_VanityFair-November2008_001_122_543lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07419_VanityFair-November2008_001_122_543lo.jpg)

http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc849/th_07428_Interview-September2008_001_122_849lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07428_Interview-September2008_001_122_849lo.jpg)

[Laderlappen]

did you not see the part about julliard? you have to be pretty damn talented to get into that school... here's a list of actors off the top of my head:
christopher reeve
robin williams
jamie foxx
kevin spacy

having done sci-fi and comics is just icing on the cake.Ok, but to me having gone too a good school isnt nearly as enough.
Still dont know why its important that she has done sci-fi.

[Two-Face]

Gemma Arterton is really growing on me as a possible Catwoman contender. She's young and fresh and undoubtedly talented...

http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc543/th_07419_VanityFair-November2008_001_122_543lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07419_VanityFair-November2008_001_122_543lo.jpg)

http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc849/th_07428_Interview-September2008_001_122_849lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07428_Interview-September2008_001_122_849lo.jpg)



Too young, if you want a Bond girl to play Selina, I go with Eva Green.

[DoomGeneration]

Ok, but to me having gone too a good school isnt nearly as enough.
Still dont know why its important that she has done sci-fi.

it's not that it's a good school, it's the talent that school produces that gives her credibility as an actress. Like a NASA scientist that's from MIT. and like I said her having done scifi is just a plus. she's done comicon and is known in the community without being a mainstream actress that would distract from the story.

[Laderlappen]

Its just a school. Even if you have gone to the best school there is doesn't make you one of best actors in the world.

Again, what's plus about having done sci-fi?

[Batfan2289]

I'd go for Charlize Theron but Rebecca Romijn is also a good choice for Catwoman!

[Two-Face]

new picture of Jolie

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/ImHungry_/brad-pitt-whisperer-angelina-jolie-.jpg

[batboy99]

Holy hotness Batman! :wow:

[Two-Face]

There is more at Jolie Thread.

[DoomGeneration]

Its just a school. Even if you have gone to the best school there is doesn't make you one of best actors in the world.

Again, what's plus about having done sci-fi?

do you even read my posts?

she's done comicon and is known in the community without being a mainstream actress that would distract from the story.

i dont know why you insist on belaboring something so trivial. and no one is saying she is the best actress in the world, i'm just saying she can hold her own. she won't stick out like a sore thumb like katie holmes did. if you're going to keep arguing with me, at least watch something she's done and make some actual criticism. the entire season of firefly is on hulu.com

[flickchick85]

On Morena Baccarin, I thought she was great in Firefly. But she doesn't seem right for Catwoman to me, mainly because while she can certainly play the classy, upscale socialite side of the role, I've never seen her play a character that was remotely free-spirited, and I honestly have a hard time imagining her pulling that off. That said, I haven't seen much of her work, so I could be wrong. She just doesn't seem very Catwoman-like from what I've seen.

[Laderlappen]

do you even read my posts?



i dont know why you insist on belaboring something so trivial. and no one is saying she is the best actress in the world, i'm just saying she can hold her own. she won't stick out like a sore thumb like katie holmes did. if you're going to keep arguing with me, at least watch something she's done and make some actual criticism. the entire season of firefly is on hulu.comI haven't criticized her. You used 'she has done sci-fi' as one of the reasons. A small reason but still a reason. Im just very curious why that helps even a little. Your answer is 'she is a known actress without being mainstrem'. What has that got to do with anything I asked you about?

[OwlBoy]

On Morena Baccarin, I thought she was great in Firefly. But she doesn't seem right for Catwoman to me, mainly because while she can certainly play the classy, upscale socialite side of the role, I've never seen her play a character that was remotely free-spirited, and I honestly have a hard time imagining her pulling that off. That said, I haven't seen much of her work, so I could be wrong. She just doesn't seem very Catwoman-like from what I've seen.

I'd argue that Inara was extremely free spirited; the episode of Firefly with the most evidence of this was "Showdown" where she teaches Mal to duel and all throughout the series she butted heads with him. She also showed the ability to be playful on that show, the combination of personality traits that most need to be exhibited in any accurate and competent portrayal of Catwoman.

Baccarin's a good actress, she was on the short list for Wonder Woman for a reason and not just cause Joss Whedon was set to direct, she's been by my first, last and only for Selina since Day-0.

[flickchick85]

^Eh, in all those instances, though, she still kept her restrained, inhibited demeanor. She was always completely composed...which is what made that character so fun - the contrast between her demeanor and her actions. But when I think free-spirited, I think of someone who's more uninhibited and reckless, and that's what I can't picture Baccarin playing.

A free-spirit isn't someone who just butts heads with someone else. In fact, in that relationship, I'd say Mal was the more free-spirited one while Inara was the grounding force. A free-spirit like Catwoman should not be the voice of reason in a situation - she should be the one telling the other to throw caution to the wind. I've never seen Baccarin play a character that uninhibited before.

I think the way Inara was written, she may have wanted to be more free-spirited at heart, but she never let it be seen on the exterior - therefore, I've never seen Baccarin play it. She just played someone who repressed it. Which, for the record, I think she was very good at, and yes, I do think she's a good actress.

[DoomGeneration]

I haven't criticized her. You used 'she has done sci-fi' as one of the reasons. A small reason but still a reason. Im just very curious why that helps even a little. Your answer is 'she is a known actress without being mainstrem'. What has that got to do with anything I asked you about?
it was more about having a rapport with a part of the fan base, and she has an appreciation for these types of genre. when i said mainstream, i mean more along the lines of highly recognizable. i dont want to look at the screen and be taken out of the story by some ridiculously attractive superstar. its not going to be a small 10 minute role like alfred or lucius... or being constantly hidden behind makeup like heath.

@flickchick85
i agree that she has the socialite aspect, and i think firefly shows that she can do subtle attraction with a love/hate relationship... you're right about her being a question mark playing a free spirit, but i saw her in an episode of las vegas, and she was playfully flirty... and in an episode of how i met your mother, she was giggly and laughin out loud -but had little else to do. so i think she has the ability to play looser characters, but i think a free spirit is more in the writing, since they're more defined by their actions... i feel that the actor just has to present that character with confidence for it to be believable. the joker was a free spirit, and i think that any solid actor could have shown that, but the genius of heath was not in showing how uninhibited the joker was, but in the details that showed how crazy and eccentric he was.

[az824]

new picture of Jolie

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/ImHungry_/brad-pitt-whisperer-angelina-jolie-.jpg

beat me to it, did u see the yahoo video titled "angelina jolie looks hot after childbirth" :wow: im trying to find it

[flickchick85]

@flickchick85
i agree that she has the socialite aspect, and i think firefly shows that she can do subtle attraction with a love/hate relationship... you're right about her being a question mark playing a free spirit, but i saw her in an episode of las vegas, and she was playfully flirty... and in an episode of how i met your mother, she was giggly and laughin out loud -but had little else to do. so i think she has the ability to play looser characters, but i think a free spirit is more in the writing, since they're more defined by their actions... i feel that the actor just has to present that character with confidence for it to be believable. the joker was a free spirit, and i think that any solid actor could have shown that, but the genius of heath was not in showing how uninhibited the joker was, but in the details that showed how crazy and eccentric he was.
Fair enough, I haven't seen those episodes of Las Vegas and HIMYM, so it's hard to judge. I have to disagree on Heath, though, I think he played the Joker very uninhibited, on top of the nuances you mentioned, part of that was that he never showed any concern/restraint based on how others would perceive him. Obviously, Catwoman is a very different personality, but I don't think a free-spirit is mostly in the writing (any more than any character traits are, that is), but the actor also has to sell it. It's in the way they walk, talk, and carry themselves. And I don't know if Baccarin can be, for lack of a better word, loose enough to sell the kind of free-spirit the Catwoman character requires.

But as I said, I haven't seen those guest appearances, so I admit I could be wrong. Just based on what I have seen from her, it's hard to imagine her pulling it off.

[Laderlappen]

Anybody can play loose, flirty and what not. Its nothing hard to do. Whoever gets cast needs to do alot more than that.

[CaptainClown]

http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/uploads/1/1207TPC_lena_slide4.jpghttp://www.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/03/06/previews/Lena%20Headey-DGG-014489.jpg
CC votes Lena Heady

[DoomGeneration]

http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/uploads/1/1207TPC_lena_slide4.jpghttp://www.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/03/06/previews/Lena%20Headey-DGG-014489.jpg
CC votes Lena Heady

i dunno how i feel about john conner making out with sarah conner.

@flickchick85
point taken

@laderlappen
i agree, but like i said, i just think there's potential there to be a descent catwoman. on the other hand, i also don't think there is going to be enough focus and screen time for a fully flushed out catwoman. she's clearly not some threatening villain and after CINO some people/managemant might be a bit wary of the character. the character will probably be relegated to spend more time as selina kyle than catwoman in this sort of mandatory love interest role, who's also a thief caught in someone's grander scheme; while being relegated to just a little more screen time than what rachael dawes had in batman begins.

[CaptainClown]

bahh nothing wrong with a lil incest

[Two-Face]

beat me to it, did u see the yahoo video titled "angelina jolie looks hot after childbirth" :wow: im trying to find it

No I haven't seen it yet.

[DoomGeneration]

bahh nothing wrong with a lil incest

:hehe:

[CaptainClown]

also I really don't consider The Sarah conner chronicles canon. It is kind of interesting..kind of.. but ya

[DoomGeneration]

also I really don't consider The Sarah conner chronicles canon. It is kind of interesting..kind of.. but ya

ya i dont watch it at all, sort for that reason, but i just have that association now. :csad:

[CaptainClown]

Its like interesting fan fiction but I would never consider it canon at all. It has some really interesting concepts and some of the terminators are cool, but sometimes they go cg crazy and other stuff. So ya hopefully nobody watches it heh Lena does prove that she can kick ass which I want with my Catwoman. Beauty and brawn.

[regwec]

Let me start by saying that I don't want either of these women in the role.

They represent the two "body types" which I think would work for Selina, however, and it would be interesting to see which is more effective on screen.

The first option, I think, is a statuesque, muscular body type which outwardly represents Catwoman's strenghth and athleticism, and allows her to be an imposing physical presence in the model of some of the dominatrix imagery which abounds in representations of the character.

My model is Maria Sharapova. She is tall and strong, but quite clearly a woman.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/Sharapova.jpg

The other option is for a body type which is smaller, but more lithe and nimble. This would actually be a lot more cat-like, and better suited to scuttling up fire escapes and squeezing through ventilation chutes.

My model is Flavia Cacace. She is smallish, but highly toned as well as appropriately curvy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/flavia.jpg

Personally, I am moving more towards the latter, away from the former. I would like the actress to be able to be lithe as Selina and agile as Catwoman. A smaller, more cat-like actress would also give more distance from the Catwoman of Batman Returns.

[Crook]

Anybody can play loose, flirty and what not. Its nothing hard to do. Whoever gets cast needs to do alot more than that.
Anybody can imitate the personality, but certainly not all of them can pull it off convincingly. It has to look second-nature to the actress.

Let me start by saying that I don't want either of these women in the role.

They represent the two "body types" which I think would work for Selina, however, and it would be interesting to see which is more effective on screen.

The first option, I think, is a statuesque, muscular body type which outwardly represents Catwoman's strenghth and athleticism, and allows her to be an imposing physical presence in the model of some of the dominatrix imagery which abounds in representations of the character.

My model is Maria Sharapova. She is tall and strong, but quite clearly a woman.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/Sharapova.jpg

The other option is for a body type which is smaller, but more lithe and nimble. This would actually be a lot more cat-like, and better suited to scuttling up fire escapes and squeezing through ventilation chutes.

My model is Flavia Cacace. She is smallish, but highly toned as well as appropriately curvy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/regwec/flavia.jpg

Personally, I am moving more towards the latter, away from the former. I would like the actress to be able to be lithe as Selina and agile as Catwoman. A smaller, more cat-like actress would also give more distance from the Catwoman of Batman Returns.
I'd actually want the first type, solely because it's not something we've seen before in a female comic book role. It fits the lifestyle of the character and would visually provide something fresh.

We are much more likely to get the latter though. I just don't see anyone bulking up for a role like Catwoman. As for your closing statement, I think it would actually be similar to BR. Pfeiffer couldn't be any more slender and nimble than when she put on that catsuit.

[regwec]

It's not just about being slender, though. The second body type depends on an a smaller stature overall. I think Flavia is probably about 5'3"-5'5", but most gymnasts are even smaller than that. It seems to be something that suits the sort of activities in which Catwoman is involved.

Flavia also has about the most toned stomach that a woman could have without seeming masculine. I'd say that her body type would be more difficult for an actress to achieve than Sharapova's.

[Crook]

It's not just about being slender, though. The second body type depends on an a smaller stature overall. I think Flavia is probably about 5'3"-5'5", but most gymnasts are even smaller than that. It seems to be something that suits the sort of activities in which Catwoman is involved.
Well just because Selina may take up gymnastics, doesn't necessarily mean she has to fit a height requirement. While the small stature is very fitting for a cat burglar, my issue is it completely takes away any shot of Selina looking formidable against a group of baddies. My image of Selina is someone that can handle herself, and has been for the better part of my life. I can't buy that from someone so little and cuddly.

Flavia also has about the most toned stomach that a woman could have without seeming masculine. I'd say that her body type would be more difficult for an actress to achieve than Sharapova's.
I've tried googling pics, but haven't found anything that would show off a toned body. Unless Selina is going to be wearing many mid-riff shirts or whatnot, would toned arms or stomachs really make much of a visual difference when she's in the suit? Most would just see a very curvy woman.

[regwec]

I understand what you mean, but I think that a smaller Catwoman could look threatening, if her movements are more catlike. Instead of striding into the midst of a mob- like Batman- and puching, stamping, and headbutting them into the ground; she would jump for high ground, lash out from above, and pounce with her claws out once an oponent is isolated.

I think it would offer more visual distinction between her type of fighting prowess and Batman's. It's pretty unlikely that anyone else can fight like him, after all.

[flickchick85]

Anybody can play loose, flirty and what not. Its nothing hard to do. Whoever gets cast needs to do alot more than that.
Oh yeah I agree, but I was just saying that was the aspect of Catwoman I couldn't see Baccarin pulling off. The rest of it I think she could probably do. I disagree that anybody can play it, though. At least, convincingly. But that's beside the point.

As for body types, I just don't find that very important, as long as she's in shape and looks like she could believably do the things that Catwoman does (without looking butch, obviously). To me, that's all that matters.

[Crook]

I understand what you mean, but I think that a smaller Catwoman could look threatening, if her movements are more catlike. Instead of striding into the midst of a mob- like Batman- and puching, stamping, and headbutting them into the ground; she would jump for high ground, lash out from above, and pounce with her claws out once an oponent is isolated.

I think it would offer more visual distinction between her type of fighting prowess and Batman's. It's pretty unlikely that anyone else can fight like him, after all.
Fighting style doesn't really have much to do with body type though. Either of the 2 bodies you mentioned could pull off a cat-like style with ease.


As for body types, I just don't find that very important, as long as she's in shape and looks like she could believably do the things that Catwoman does (without looking butch, obviously). To me, that's all that matters.
Going by that criteria, evidently body type DOES matter. :oldrazz:

[flickchick85]

Going by that criteria, evidently body type DOES matter. :oldrazz:
Haha, touché. I should've been more specific - choosing between those two body types (or any that fit that basic criteria) doesn't matter. :oldrazz:

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Clint Eastwood on Angie

Eastwood, who directs Jolie in his latest film The Changeling, described her as "an actress hampered by her gorgeous face, I think the most beautiful face on the planet".

"People sometimes can't see past that, to her talent. She's on all these magazine covers, so it's easy to overlook what an amazing actress is underneath," he said.

Eastwood compared Jolie to Meryl Streep.

"Actors know, with me they aren't going to be allowed to rehearse a scene for a couple of hours and then get away with doing 25 takes before we get it right. So they come with their full bag of tricks," Eastwood said.

"Angelina is a lot like Meryl Streep in that respect."

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/10/06/angelina2_narrowweb__300x390,0.jpg

[DrMylesOBoogie]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/10/06/ang_storylead_narrowweb__300x490,0.jpg

[Crook]

Even after Eastwood backs her up, Jolie still won't get the proper recognition.

[Jekyll Faygo]

Who the hell cares about Catwoman anymore. "Returns" said all there was to know about her character and her relationaship to Batman. Halle Berry squeezed the interest out of any reincarnation. Wow, she robs jewel stores, loves and hates Batman. yawn.

[Two-Face]

Clint Eastwood on Angie

Eastwood, who directs Jolie in his latest film The Changeling, described her as "an actress hampered by her gorgeous face, I think the most beautiful face on the planet".

"People sometimes can't see past that, to her talent. She's on all these magazine covers, so it's easy to overlook what an amazing actress is underneath," he said.

Eastwood compared Jolie to Meryl Streep.

"Actors know, with me they aren't going to be allowed to rehearse a scene for a couple of hours and then get away with doing 25 takes before we get it right. So they come with their full bag of tricks," Eastwood said.

"Angelina is a lot like Meryl Streep in that respect."

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/10/06/angelina2_narrowweb__300x390,0.jpg


Thanks for this, It's easier to knock down an actress just because she has the most famous face on the plane and not see the amazing acting behind it. Yep Eastwood said it best.


I can't wait to see the new film. love the trailer :up:

[Byron Long]

What does Eastwood admire about Jolie exactly?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/10/1006_eastwood_jolie_ramey.jpg

[hatebox]

haha

[Two-Face]

What does Eastwood admire about Jolie exactly?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/10/1006_eastwood_jolie_ramey.jpg




Who wouldn't?:hehe:

[protoctista]

Angelina Jolie is incredibly talented, but I seriously, seriously doubt she would be cast as Catwoman.


1) She's got bigger star appeal than Christian Bale, so would out-shine the lead actor. I'm not talking about talent here, but about sheer fan-girl/boy squeal factor. Crude as that.

2) She's too obvious. So Angelina Jolie's hot. So she's done action roles. So she's hot. Big deal. Its typical fan boy casting, and completely not what Nolan has been known to do in the past with his casting. No fan was suggesting Heath Ledger as the Joker. No fan would have thought of Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow. Its the left-field casting which is so genius; it allows us to totally see the character and not the A-list actor that plays them.

3) She probably wouldn't want to do the role. She gets plenty of big lead roles in action films anyway, has Wanted sequels lined up, so why take the back seat? She's also likely to move into more serious stuff if Changeling is successful - which it probably will be - especially now that she's a working mom. She might even take a break from the business. Stepping into a franchise like the Dark Knight probably isn't a good career move for her - think Hale Berry in Die Another Day; very similar circumstances.

4) She's too hot. It is my opinion that if Nolan were to do Catwoman, he'd downplay her sexual appeal. Catwoman is a fantasy woman - the most unrealistic aspect of her character is the fact that she is so blatantly a fan boy fantasy, a sex goddess. Making her a believable character in Nolan's world of realism would surely have to show a portrayal which was respectful to modern femininity. HOLD UP. Don't jump down my throat die-hard catwoman fans. I'm not some crazy mythos-destroying, bra-burning feminist, and I AM a bloke. Sure, sexuality is a rivetting, fundamental part of Catwoman's appeal - and a really interesting aspect to her relationship with batman - but some of the depictions of this within comic books are exaggerated beyond the point of credulity, even into the realms of softcore porn.

I'd rather see an actress who was NOT particularly stunning in the way that Angelina Jolie/Rachel Weisz/all the other fan boy casting are, but was nevertheless really sexy because of her mannerisms. The sexiest women to me take me by surprise - and that's the subtle kind of sexiness that I think Catwoman should embody.

[regwec]

Like Anne Widdecombe when she went blonde.

[Double Down]

I'm willing to bet that no one in the poll gets the gig. That's just how Nolan rolls.

[regwec]

Because no one amongst the fanbase would ever have thought of Christian Bale for Batman?

[Double Down]

Did you have your money on Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, Cillian Murphy, Liam Neeson and Aaron Eckhart?

[CaptainClown]

Lena Headey!... sometimes I think I am the only one...
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x128/zee014/Random%20Hotness/Lena%20Heady/lena-headey_48557.jpg

[regwec]

Do Lt Gordon or Jonathan Crane really have corrosponding actors who are obvious shoe-ins?

Besides, Batman is a fairly significant character in the Batman franchise, and Nolan chose the actor whom everybody wanted anyway. There's no reason to assume he wouldn't end up making a similar choice again.

[Crook]

1) She's got bigger star appeal than Christian Bale, so would out-shine the lead actor. I'm not talking about talent here, but about sheer fan-girl/boy squeal factor. Crude as that.
Ledger out-shone Bale. This doesn't affect the film, unless you're referring to the script. Which in turn, doesn't have much to do with the actor.

2) She's too obvious. So Angelina Jolie's hot. So she's done action roles. So she's hot. Big deal. Its typical fan boy casting, and completely not what Nolan has been known to do in the past with his casting. No fan was suggesting Heath Ledger as the Joker. No fan would have thought of Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow. Its the left-field casting which is so genius; it allows us to totally see the character and not the A-list actor that plays them.
My thoughts on obvious casting are well-documented, so I won't needlessly repeat them again. I will say however, that as with all things Nolan does, fans seem to carry that and exaggerate it past it's original state. It started with realism, now it's starting with left-field choices.

3) She probably wouldn't want to do the role. She gets plenty of big lead roles in action films anyway, has Wanted sequels lined up, so why take the back seat? She's also likely to move into more serious stuff if Changeling is successful - which it probably will be - especially now that she's a working mom. She might even take a break from the business. Stepping into a franchise like the Dark Knight probably isn't a good career move for her - think Hale Berry in Die Another Day; very similar circumstances.
Probably the first time I've heard a good argument for Jolie not getting the role. Changeling could very well change where her career goes, but who knows what she thinks of the batfranchise. Everyone in Hollywood is certainly aware of TDK and it's tremendous success. I'm sure there are many that would love to be apart of this series, especially to get to work under Nolan.

4) She's too hot. It is my opinion that if Nolan were to do Catwoman, he'd downplay her sexual appeal. Catwoman is a fantasy woman - the most unrealistic aspect of her character is the fact that she is so blatantly a fan boy fantasy, a sex goddess. Making her a believable character in Nolan's world of realism would surely have to show a portrayal which was respectful to modern femininity. HOLD UP. Don't jump down my throat die-hard catwoman fans. I'm not some crazy mythos-destroying, bra-burning feminist, and I AM a bloke. Sure, sexuality is a rivetting, fundamental part of Catwoman's appeal - and a really interesting aspect to her relationship with batman - but some of the depictions of this within comic books are exaggerated beyond the point of credulity, even into the realms of softcore porn.

I'd rather see an actress who was NOT particularly stunning in the way that Angelina Jolie/Rachel Weisz/all the other fan boy casting are, but was nevertheless really sexy because of her mannerisms. The sexiest women to me take me by surprise - and that's the subtle kind of sexiness that I think Catwoman should embody.
1) Catwoman IS ridiculously hot. Always has been. Comic book caricature or not, that's ingrained within the character herself.
2) The tone of sexuality is up to the script, the actor, and director. It's not up to one factor in determining that. If it's to be downplayed, then that's exactly what'll happen.
3) Hot women exist. Let's not pretend that they're unrealistic, because well, that would be a blatant lie. The injustice would be to presume that because said woman is hot, that that's all they're good for. The beauty of Selina is she is not some one-note babe who relies on looks, but I'm sure you knew that.

Like Anne Widdecombe when she went blonde.
WTF did I just google? :csad:

I'm willing to bet that no one in the poll gets the gig. That's just how Nolan rolls.
It seems Ledger's casting has thrown a wrench into everything. I'm not sure people understand that the entire cast of BB (excluding Gordon) could have been on many fans' wish lists. In fact, many of them were. One or two oddball casting choices don't make them the rule for future projects.

[protoctista]

Angelina Jolie is too obvious in ways that Christian Bale's casting never was. Jolie being cast in this role would be such a type-cast; another femme-fatal, sexy action lead in a big franchise for her. Christian Bale hadn't, prior to Batman Begins, been a lead star in anything big (American Psycho being an indie flick) and so, whilst he was blatantly perfect for the role, it wasn't because we'd seen him play very similar characters time and time again in mainstream cinema.

[protoctista]

Hot women exist. Let's not pretend that they're unrealistic, because well, that would be a blatant lie. The injustice would be to presume that because said woman is hot, that that's all they're good for. The beauty of Selina is she is not some one-note babe who relies on looks, but I'm sure you knew that.

No, the injustice would be for a female character in a comic book having to be hot purely to make sure that the largely male audience wants to read their character. Name me a female comic book character of any significance that isn't hot - and no, don't include Aunt May - we all know she's secretly a kinky little *****. To suggest (referring to the bold text) that Selina Kyle is somehow a fair icon for modern women, and not the fetishistic sex bomb that happens to kick ass is slightly misguided, IMO. Just look at how ridiculously huge her breasts are in almost all incarnations, look at her garb - a slightly more sanitised S&M outfit.

I'm not saying that she's a boring character, she's great, a really interesting dynamic within the mythos, but you can't really see her as particularly politically correct with regards to feminism.

[Crook]

Did you have your money on Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, Cillian Murphy, Liam Neeson and Aaron Eckhart?
I had my money on Neeson. As well as Freeman, Caine, and Bale.

Angelina Jolie is too obvious in ways that Christian Bale's casting never was. Jolie being cast in this role would be such a type-cast; another femme-fatal, sexy action lead in a big franchise for her. Christian Bale hadn't, prior to Batman Begins, been a lead star in anything big (American Psycho being an indie flick) and so, whilst he was blatantly perfect for the role, it wasn't because we'd seen him play very similar characters time and time again in mainstream cinema.
Doesn't really matter if it was in mainstream cinema. Or how many times it had been done. Obviously there was a large group that saw Bale was perfect. That's solely because of his look and how similar his roles were to different facets of Batman.

No, the injustice would be for a female character in a comic book having to be hot purely to make sure that the largely male audience wants to read their character.
What do you want DC to do? Retroactively erase all images of Selina Kyle and create an entirely new one? If Selina were JUST a hottie, then this would be a viable complaint. But she's not. Whether people are there to look at her or not, the point is she has depth. That's what matters.

Name me a female comic book character of any significance that isn't hot - and no, don't include Aunt May - we all know she's secretly a kinky little *****. To suggest (referring to the bold text) that Selina Kyle is somehow a fair icon for modern women, and not the fetishistic sex bomb that happens to kick ass is slightly misguided, IMO. Just look at how ridiculously huge her breasts are in almost all incarnations, look at her garb - a slightly more sanitised S&M outfit.
1) Describing Selina as a fetishistic sex bomb that happens to kick ass is a blatantly flawed description of her character.
2) Her suit in Batman Returns is an S&M outfit. Her suit in the current comics is not.
3) You look at icons for men or women, they are almost always idealized models of themselves. That is why they look how they do. They're "perfect" and people look up to that.

If you have a problem with Selina's looks being a model for women, then I'm assuming you have a very big problem with male heroes as well? After all, they are perfectly chiseled, good-looking, and of tremendous physical stature. Characters being shaped into epitomized images of ourselves is nothing new, or demeaning. The Greeks did it. And the Egyptians. So do we.

I'm not saying that she's a boring character, she's great, a really interesting dynamic within the mythos, but you can't really see her as particularly politically correct with regards to feminism.
Then I would like to hear what your definition of feminism is.

[gwynplaine]

^^^^^Strange how your avvy is not even considered for the role and someone like Romjin is in the poll. Funny how these things work.

[flickchick85]

How long before we can get a new poll? I really wanna change my vote.

[CaptainClown]

ya, flickchick wants to vote for lena heady.

[ClarkLuther55]

Hot people are for real, and don't need to be brainless bimbos either. Catwoman could and should be beautiful, while having some more to her as well.

I don't think anyone protested Christian Bale's casting because he was too buff or handsome...

[az824]

because hes not lol jk

[jmc]

How long before we can get a new poll? I really wanna change my vote.

This is the new poll.

[The Major]

Who the hell cares about Catwoman anymore.

Her fans.

"Returns" said all there was to know about her character and her relationaship to Batman.

It may have said the gist of it but that doesn't mean more interesting stories can't be made with her or their relationship in film.

Halle Berry squeezed the interest out of any reincarnation.

True, but I doubt the character would be entirely unable to get back that interest.

All it'd take is a good version which reminds the public why they liked her in the first place.

Wow, she robs jewel stores, loves and hates Batman. yawn.

Read Ed Brubaker, Chuck Dixon and Will Phiefer's Catwoman comic runs and watch Batman:TAS. She's more interesting then you think.

[The Major]

Because no one amongst the fanbase would ever have thought of Christian Bale for Batman?

I did. His roles in American Psycho and Equilibrium convinced me he'd make a great Batman. :D

[flickchick85]

ya, flickchick wants to vote for lena heady.
Hey, if it gets me a new poll, I'll say I'll vote for Cher.

This is the new poll.
This can't be the Old New Poll? :(

[Crook]

The poll before this was started back in '05. This new one is barely a year old. Tough luck. :o

[Melkay]

I want to vote again too. My vote was for Michelle Monaghan before knowing enough about Cotillard.

Now, I barely sleep at night.

God help my sinner soul.

[Ethermatic]

Plus, Eva Green isn't on the poll.

:csad:

[protoctista]

1) Describing Selina as a fetishistic sex bomb that happens to kick ass is a blatantly flawed description of her character.
Yes, absolutely correct, her CHARACTER is very interesting, with many different facets and lots of material to play around with for her adaption to film. However, her physical image in all incarnations of the comics (look at Long Halloween) is without doubt a fetishistic sex bomb.




2) Her suit in Batman Returns is an S&M outfit. Her suit in the current comics is not.

Again look at the long halloween, Chuck Dixon's cominc run etc. Find me a catwoman portrayal which doesn't have S&M connotations.
In fact, Kevin Maguire, and Fabian Nicieza playfully made fun of her S&M connotations in this particular comic;
http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/naked_bats_cat.jpg


3) You look at icons for men or women, they are almost always idealized models of themselves. That is why they look how they do. They're "perfect" and people look up to that.
Idealised to the MALE concept of perfect; hence the ridiculous boobs and exaggerated curves.


If you have a problem with Selina's looks being a model for women, then I'm assuming you have a very big problem with male heroes as well? After all, they are perfectly chiseled, good-looking, and of tremendous physical stature. Characters being shaped into epitomized images of ourselves is nothing new, or demeaning. The Greeks did it. And the Egyptians. So do we.
Men in comic books are idealised not so much for being buff sex gods with massive penises, but for being powerful, independant and able to effectively change the world around them for the better. Again, women in comic books are Idealised to the MALE concept of perfect; hence the ridiculous boobs and exaggerated curves. Its because its written by mostly men, for a mostly male audience.
http://ryanlb.com/images/dc/images/dcdlh_catwoman.jpg
http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/thumb/1/1c/Catwoman-2.jpg/270px-Catwoman-2.jpg




This is all fine, it doesn't degrade the character at all, Catwoman is a brilliant character. But this aspect of her physical portrayal on film would HAVE to be downplayed.

[Two-Face]

I'm laughing at people what Nolan would/wouldn't do....


Also who wouldn't wanna play Selina in Batman 3? You even might see models auditioning for the part. :dry:

[Crook]

Yes, absolutely correct, her CHARACTER is very interesting, with many different facets and lots of material to play around with for her adaption to film. However, her physical image in all incarnations of the comics (look at Long Halloween) is without doubt a fetishistic sex bomb.
Well she IS a sex bomb. I've said that from the beginning. I don't know why you have such a problem with her looking gorgeous. The fetishistic design is up to the artist. I don't really consider this to be S&M:

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/poster_misc/catwoman_46.jpg

Asides from being black and reflective, it's a pretty well-covered suit.

Again look at the long halloween, Chuck Dixon's cominc run etc. Find me a catwoman portrayal which doesn't have S&M connotations.
In fact, Kevin Maguire, and Fabian Nicieza playfully made fun of her S&M connotations in this particular comic;
http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/naked_bats_cat.jpg
You can apply these connotations to practically any superheroine in the comic book world. They're girls playing dress-up. Of course there's gonna be some subtext there. With some exclusions, it's never overt.

Idealised to the MALE concept of perfect; hence the ridiculous boobs and exaggerated curves.

Are you female? What is the idealized female concept of perfect?

Men in comic books are idealised not so much for being buff sex gods with massive penises, but for being powerful, independant and able to effectively change the world around them for the better.
And yet they are still drawn like perfect-looking men, when there is a male audience. Let's not skirt the issue here, every facet of these characters are drawn to satisfy everyone's thirst for reaching physical and mental perfection.

Again, women in comic books are Idealised to the MALE concept of perfect; hence the ridiculous boobs and exaggerated curves. Its because its written by mostly men, for a mostly male audience.
http://ryanlb.com/images/dc/images/dcdlh_catwoman.jpg
http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/thumb/1/1c/Catwoman-2.jpg/270px-Catwoman-2.jpg
And again, these exaggerations vary from artist to artist. You keep posting pictures from the 90s, when Selina is drawn much more "conventional" these days.

This is all fine, it doesn't degrade the character at all, Catwoman is a brilliant character. But this aspect of her physical portrayal on film would HAVE to be downplayed.
Why would such an ingrained trait of her character need to be downplayed? You've already admitted it doesn't degrade her. Fact; Selina is a sexy looking girl leading a liberating lifestyle. Once again, why is this such a problem when we know she's not a shallow character? Especially when it would be shown that she's complex in her own right?

It sounds like a desire to uglify better looking people so they can be more identifiable. I think that misses the point. Selina can very rarely be associated with the common woman. Many want to be her, but few are successful. As with most other comic book characters, they're grounded enough for the audience to sympathize with. But also always one step further from the attainable, manifested through their physical and character traits.

[protoctista]

I don't really consider this to be S&M:
If my girlfriend wore that, besides being very turned on, I'd definately consider myself in for some serious domination.



Are you female? What is the idealized female concept of perfect?
No, but I have female comic-book friends (attractive, self-confident, intelligent female friends) who find Catwoman's physical portrayal frustrating - because it implies that female sex appeal is essentially a physical quality - it implies that Catwoman HAS to have big breasts and an amazing butt to toy with Bruce Wayne's affections. Catwoman's sex appeal, particularly with regards to Bruce Wayne/Batman is far deeper, far more interesting than her being physically georgeous - he can get all the physically perfect women he can get - so why depict exaggerated physical beauty?

I would personally find it more interesting that amongst all the beautiful women in the world, the russian ballet girls, Bruce Wayne 'falls' for a woman that isn't physical perfection, but is devilishly sexy anyway. It would make her stand out as a woman, and as a character.

Coming back to Angelina Jolie - I don't go watch her in an action role because I think she's a convincing heroine, I watch her in action roles because she's hot as all hell. Regardless of her performance - and she's a fantastic actress - her mere inclusion within the franchise would draw a lot of interest of THAT kind, which means she's got a lot of work to do just to make that sort of person want to invest in the depth of her character rather than the curve of her ass. Take an actress who ISN'T a global sex icon, and every person watching is going to be able to watch her craft a rounded (no pun intended), intriguing character, that's still sexy, but in a way that's unique to that character - not some crude estimation of physical perfection.

Angelina has the baggage of her own brand of sexiness - Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ - which she's having to fight against in order to be regarded as a credible actress in films like Mighty Heart and Changeling. It's a difficult prospect to bring that baggage to the Batman franchise. (Let alone the fact that I still feel it would be a wrong career move for Angelina to market her sex appeal again)



It sounds like a desire to uglify better looking people so they can be more identifiable

In a way - a very crude way - that's kind of what I'm going for, yes. But 'uglify' doesn't mean I want ugly - sex appeal is an important part of Catwoman's mystique, and I'm not saying that georgeous women aren't identifiable to mass audiences, that would be ridiculous. But putting possibly the most beautiful woman in the world in a role means you have a whole lot of work to do before anyone can really see the character being portrayed - it's difficult enough for Angelina Jolie doing that in 'proper', 'serious' dramas, let alone dressed in a tight catsuit, swinging a whip and purring inuendo at Batman.

[solidsnake86]

I really hope she is actually in the film. Let's face it, if she is in it, everyone and there mothers is going to audition so us guessing is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I think her presence in the film will also guarantee interest for this third film because she is probably right below the joker in terms of recognizability and popularity among batmans supporting cast.

[Golgo-13]

I'm laughing at people what Nolan would/wouldn't do....


Also who wouldn't wanna play Selina in Batman 3? You even might see models auditioning for the part. :dry:

So true.

[flickchick85]

The poll before this was started back in '05. This new one is barely a year old. Tough luck. :o
'05?!? Blerg. :csad:

[Crook]

If my girlfriend wore that, besides being very turned on, I'd definately consider myself in for some serious domination.
It can easily be slightly altered for film by changing the suit texture. Some manips in this very thread have done it already. You can maintain the same basic elements and keep it from looking non-functional.

No, but I have female comic-book friends (attractive, self-confident, intelligent female friends) who find Catwoman's physical portrayal frustrating - because it implies that female sex appeal is essentially a physical quality - it implies that Catwoman HAS to have big breasts and an amazing butt to toy with Bruce Wayne's affections.
Then they're morons or have little knowledge on the character. I honestly have no words for how stupid that sounds, or how one would conclude that if they simple knew how to read.

Catwoman's sex appeal, particularly with regards to Bruce Wayne/Batman is far deeper, far more interesting than her being physically georgeous - he can get all the physically perfect women he can get - so why depict exaggerated physical beauty?
It's the equivalent of having both the brains AND brawn. There is no either/or. Selina has both qualities, which is why she is a one-up over every other woman Bruce has met. You do not need to sacrifice one to showcase the other. If you do....then you're writing her wrong.

I would personally find it more interesting that amongst all the beautiful women in the world, the russian ballet girls, Bruce Wayne 'falls' for a woman that isn't physical perfection, but is devilishly sexy anyway. It would make her stand out as a woman, and as a character.
She doesn't have to be physical perfection. The comic book medium allows for avenues like that to be explored because it is accepted. With live-action, people are much more forgiving on visual translation. Christopher Reeve wasn't exactly a hulking mass of muscle, as Supes is in the comics, but people were convinced he was the role anyway. Same mechanics apply.

I would say the sole visual requirement for the actress would be that she does have to stand out in a room without even talking. Her immense beauty and presence has been a staple of the character.

Coming back to Angelina Jolie - I don't go watch her in an action role because I think she's a convincing heroine, I watch her in action roles because she's hot as all hell. Regardless of her performance - and she's a fantastic actress - her mere inclusion within the franchise would draw a lot of interest of THAT kind, which means she's got a lot of work to do just to make that sort of person want to invest in the depth of her character rather than the curve of her ass. Take an actress who ISN'T a global sex icon, and every person watching is going to be able to watch her craft a rounded (no pun intended), intriguing character, that's still sexy, but in a way that's unique to that character - not some crude estimation of physical perfection.

Angelina has the baggage of her own brand of sexiness - Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ - which she's having to fight against in order to be regarded as a credible actress in films like Mighty Heart and Changeling. It's a difficult prospect to bring that baggage to the Batman franchise. (Let alone the fact that I still feel it would be a wrong career move for Angelina to market her sex appeal again)
I'm not inclined to exclude any actress because she may actually be too beautiful, and in turn, be perfectly suited for the part. Is it an uphill battle to convince audiences that are there solely to see her in a catsuit, to take her seriously? Sure. If she were to fail, then obviously she was not good for the role, nor a fitting actress. I've seen what she can do when taking on a serious drama and personally, I think she's done a fantastic job putting her sexual appeal to the side for those few instances. Even in the recent trailer for Changeling, you can see she still has a gorgeous face, but you don't immediately think "man, I wanna tap that!" like you might usually say.

The thing with Catwoman is she's multi-dimensional. So no matter who is cast here, she should illicit different responses depending on the scene.

There will be times when Selina is vulnerable, and you feel for her anguish. There will be times when Selina is carefree, and you admire that lifestyle. And yes, there will be times when Selina is seductive, and you just wanna reach out at the screen and grab her for yourself.

All of these are valid, and all should be explored.

In a way - a very crude way - that's kind of what I'm going for, yes. But 'uglify' doesn't mean I want ugly - sex appeal is an important part of Catwoman's mystique, and I'm not saying that georgeous women aren't identifiable to mass audiences, that would be ridiculous. But putting possibly the most beautiful woman in the world in a role means you have a whole lot of work to do before anyone can really see the character being portrayed - it's difficult enough for Angelina Jolie doing that in 'proper', 'serious' dramas, let alone dressed in a tight catsuit, swinging a whip and purring inuendo at Batman.
Well as you said, it's an important part of the character. Clarify on your critique though, because it sounds like you're referring to more than one factor. Is it on Jolie, or is it on beauty?

How would you feel if there was another actress in the mix, an unknown perhaps, but nonetheless extremely gorgeous as Jolie, or even moreso? What would your thoughts be on her in the role?

[protoctista]

It can easily be slightly altered for film by changing the suit texture. Some manips in this very thread have done it already. You can maintain the same basic elements and keep it from looking non-functional.

Well this is pretty much my argument; toning down the exaggeration of the traditional suit's sexual connotations.




She doesn't have to be physical perfection.

But casting Angelina Jolie would be giving what most blokes would hastily describe as their physical perfection.


I would say the sole visual requirement for the actress would be that she does have to stand out in a room without even talking. Her immense beauty and presence has been a staple of the character.

But what I'm saying is, Angelina Jolie and that particular kind of sex appeal isn't the only form of femininity which can stand out in a room without even talking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Angelina Jolie is SO 'stand-out-in-a-room' that it would be distracting, like an immensely bright light.

By saying that I would be interested in an actress who isn't physical perfection, I didn't say I wanted her to blend into the background, or look dull. Sometimes its the less obviously attractive girls - the girls that don't necessarily fill out x, y and z of the prerequisite qualities in a woman - that are the most sexy, the most seductive and the most memorable.

The 'problem' with Angelina Jolie is that she fills out every single quality that a man would want in a woman - great boobs, curves, sexy pouty face, powerful, seductive eyes, great legs, great ass etc etc. So it's the first woman you think of when someone says 'name a sexy actress'. But its boring.

Have you ever had the experience at a party when there's a whole gaggle of gorgeous girls with everything right - the great hair, great tits, long legs, great ass, eyes everything. But its the girl with glasses and exactly the right eyes, and the cute little bum that redefines your outlook on bums, and the laugh that wrinkles up her nose... do you get what I'm saying? It's these women that are the sexiest, because they surprise us (men) with their sexiness - it hits us left-field.

Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ is a lot of baggage, especially when you attach it to a quirky character like Selina Kyle.



The thing with Catwoman is she's multi-dimensional. So no matter who is cast here, she should illicit different responses depending on the scene.

Absolutely, this is exactly what I want from the character.




Well as you said, it's an important part of the character. Clarify on your critique though, because it sounds like you're referring to more than one factor. Is it on Jolie, or is it on beauty?

How would you feel if there was another actress in the mix, an unknown perhaps, but nonetheless extremely gorgeous as Jolie, or even moreso? What would your thoughts be on her in the role?
My critique is on Jolie and her particular kind of beauty. There isn't one ideal 'beauty' for women, even though most men - including myself even on this thead - would point the finger quickly at Angelina Jolie. Women aren't placed in a hierarchy beneath Angelina Jolie - and as such placing her in the role of possibly the most sexy female comic book character is heavy-handed in my opinion. It goes back to what I said about Catwoman not HAVING to have big tits, not HAVING to be the typical perception of beauty to be beautiful.

How would you feel if there was another actress in the mix, an unknown perhaps, but nonetheless extremely gorgeous as Jolie, or even moreso?
Bring it on. Give me some quirky little nympho and exactly the right bum. But yeah, I'm not objecting to a gorgeous actress, just objecting to the mind-set of immediately placing Jolie as number 1 for Catwoman, or any other sexy female lead that comes up.

[Melkay]

Angelina Jolie is incredibly talented, but I seriously, seriously doubt she would be cast as Catwoman.

She's got bigger star appeal than Christian Bale, so would out-shine the lead actor. I'm not talking about talent here, but about sheer fan-girl/boy squeal factor. Crude as that.

Angelina Jolie is too obvious in ways that Christian Bale's casting never was. Jolie being cast in this role would be such a type-cast; another femme-fatal, sexy action lead in a big franchise for her. Christian Bale hadn't, prior to Batman Begins, been a lead star in anything big (American Psycho being an indie flick) and so, whilst he was blatantly perfect for the role, it wasn't because we'd seen him play very similar characters time and time again in mainstream cinema.



She's too obvious. So Angelina Jolie's hot. So she's done action roles. So she's hot. […] Its the left-field casting which is so genius; it allows us to totally see the character and not the A-list actor that plays them.

… casting Angelina Jolie would be giving what most blokes would hastily describe as their physical perfection.

She's too hot. It is my opinion that if Nolan were to do Catwoman, he'd downplay her sexual appeal. Catwoman is a fantasy woman - the most unrealistic aspect of her character is the fact that she is so blatantly a fan boy fantasy, a sex goddess. Making her a believable character in Nolan's world of realism would surely have to show a portrayal which was respectful to modern femininity.

I'd rather see an actress who was NOT particularly stunning in the way that Angelina Jolie/Rachel Weisz/all the other fan boy casting are, but was nevertheless really sexy because of her mannerisms. The sexiest women to me take me by surprise - and that's the subtle kind of sexiness that I think Catwoman should embody.


Catwoman's sex appeal, particularly with regards to Bruce Wayne/Batman is far deeper, far more interesting than her being physically georgeous - he can get all the physically perfect women he can get - so why depict exaggerated physical beauty?

I would personally find it more interesting that amongst all the beautiful women in the world, the russian ballet girls, Bruce Wayne 'falls' for a woman that isn't physical perfection, but is devilishly sexy anyway. It would make her stand out as a woman, and as a character.

Coming back to Angelina Jolie - I don't go watch her in an action role because I think she's a convincing heroine, I watch her in action roles because she's hot as all hell. Regardless of her performance - and she's a fantastic actress - her mere inclusion within the franchise would draw a lot of interest of THAT kind, which means she's got a lot of work to do just to make that sort of person want to invest in the depth of her character rather than the curve of her ass.

Take an actress who ISN'T a global sex icon, and every person watching is going to be able to watch her craft a rounded (no pun intended), intriguing character, that's still sexy, but in a way that's unique to that character - not some crude estimation of physical perfection.



Angelina has the baggage of her own brand of sexiness - Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ - which she's having to fight against in order to be regarded as a credible actress in films like Mighty Heart and Changeling. It's a difficult prospect to bring that baggage to the Batman franchise.

… sex appeal is an important part of Catwoman's mystique, and I'm not saying that georgeous women aren't identifiable to mass audiences, that would be ridiculous. But putting possibly the most beautiful woman in the world in a role means you have a whole lot of work to do before anyone can really see the character being portrayed - it's difficult enough for Angelina Jolie doing that in 'proper', 'serious' dramas, let alone dressed in a tight catsuit, swinging a whip and purring inuendo at Batman.


Angelina Jolie and that particular kind of sex appeal isn't the only form of femininity which can stand out in a room without even talking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Angelina Jolie is SO 'stand-out-in-a-room' that it would be distracting, like an immensely bright light.

By saying that I would be interested in an actress who isn't physical perfection, I didn't say I wanted her to blend into the background, or look dull. Sometimes its the less obviously attractive girls - the girls that don't necessarily fill out x, y and z of the prerequisite qualities in a woman - that are the most sexy, the most seductive and the most memorable.

The 'problem' with Angelina Jolie is that she fills out every single quality that a man would want in a woman - great boobs, curves, sexy pouty face, powerful, seductive eyes, great legs, great ass etc etc. So it's the first woman you think of when someone says 'name a sexy actress'. But its boring.

Have you ever had the experience at a party when there's a whole gaggle of gorgeous girls with everything right - the great hair, great tits, long legs, great ass, eyes everything. But its the girl with glasses and exactly the right eyes, and the cute little bum that redefines your outlook on bums, and the laugh that wrinkles up her nose... do you get what I'm saying? It's these women that are the sexiest, because they surprise us (men) with their sexiness - it hits us left-field.


Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ is a lot of baggage, especially when you attach it to a quirky character like Selina Kyle.

My critique is on Jolie and her particular kind of beauty. There isn't one ideal 'beauty' for women, even though most men - including myself even on this thread - would point the finger quickly at Angelina Jolie. Women aren't placed in a hierarchy beneath Angelina Jolie - and as such placing her in the role of possibly the most sexy female comic book character is heavy-handed in my opinion. It goes back to what I said about Catwoman not HAVING to have big tits, not HAVING to be the typical perception of beauty to be beautiful.


...

You, sir... are WISDOM in human form.

Do you mind if I give my chldren to you in adoption?

[Two-Face]

Do you think she's hot in Changeling? :whatever:

[Melkay]

They had to cover her in old clothing.

[Two-Face]

She's beautiful and talented, what else you need to cast?

[Melkay]

Perfect. Nolan should cast perfect.

Important casting for and important character in an important franchise.

Is Jolie "perfect"? That's what they're arguing about.

[Two-Face]

of course she's perfect for the role.

[Melkay]

Uhhhhhh..... she's not.

You may or may not agree with them, but if it's arguments you want, read Protoctisa's posts.

[protoctista]

*Blushes to the hue of a sun-dried plum*
Melkay, I'm deeply flattered, thank you.

[cerealkiller182]

^^^^^^you do make good points :up:

[batboy99]

She's beautiful and talented, what else you need to cast?
So are alot of other actresses...

[Ziggyman]

^Tis a true thang...

[Crook]

Well this is pretty much my argument; toning down the exaggeration of the traditional suit's sexual connotations.
I was under the impression you wanted a complete suit design revamp. Nothing much needs to be changed from the modern costume. It's functional and logical as is.

But what I'm saying is, Angelina Jolie and that particular kind of sex appeal isn't the only form of femininity which can stand out in a room without even talking.
I wasn't talking specifically about Jolie, and I never said it was the only form possible. It was a general statement.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Angelina Jolie is SO 'stand-out-in-a-room' that it would be distracting, like an immensely bright light.
I'm not sure what exactly the problem is here. When you stand out, you inherently distract everything else. There's no such thing as being "too stand-out" if you're the only one of that kind in the room. Do you get what I'm saying?

By saying that I would be interested in an actress who isn't physical perfection, I didn't say I wanted her to blend into the background, or look dull. Sometimes its the less obviously attractive girls - the girls that don't necessarily fill out x, y and z of the prerequisite qualities in a woman - that are the most sexy, the most seductive and the most memorable.

The 'problem' with Angelina Jolie is that she fills out every single quality that a man would want in a woman - great boobs, curves, sexy pouty face, powerful, seductive eyes, great legs, great ass etc etc. So it's the first woman you think of when someone says 'name a sexy actress'. But its boring.

Have you ever had the experience at a party when there's a whole gaggle of gorgeous girls with everything right - the great hair, great tits, long legs, great ass, eyes everything. But its the girl with glasses and exactly the right eyes, and the cute little bum that redefines your outlook on bums, and the laugh that wrinkles up her nose... do you get what I'm saying? It's these women that are the sexiest, because they surprise us (men) with their sexiness - it hits us left-field.

Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™ is a lot of baggage, especially when you attach it to a quirky character like Selina Kyle.
I know what you are saying, and if Selina were to be portrayed like that it wouldn't exactly be wrong. But I also don't particularly think it's erroneous to go the other way either. As I've said ad nauseum, Selina is a bombshell. Always has been. You won't find much incarnations in which she isn't displayed as THE female looker.

Your description about the subtle sexiness, that's something that would be more fitting for Lois Lane. Because her character precedes everything else. She merely needs to look pretty if the personality is nailed. Lois is all about the attitude. Selina is about immediate presence and allure.

My critique is on Jolie and her particular kind of beauty. There isn't one ideal 'beauty' for women, even though most men - including myself even on this thead - would point the finger quickly at Angelina Jolie. Women aren't placed in a hierarchy beneath Angelina Jolie - and as such placing her in the role of possibly the most sexy female comic book character is heavy-handed in my opinion. It goes back to what I said about Catwoman not HAVING to have big tits, not HAVING to be the typical perception of beauty to be beautiful.
This goes back to what I said earlier, of excluding actresses because they seem to be too perfect for the role. If there are any female comic book characters that the mainstream immediately associates with sexiness and power, it's Catwoman and Wonder Woman. Those are the big two. Everyone else is a very distant second.

So why NOT cast these roles with gorgeous women, if they can deliver on the acting side? The casting couldn't be more ideal. That is not to say you HAVE to seek a woman with that perfect face and big chest. But if it presents itself, well...

Bring it on. Give me some quirky little nympho and exactly the right bum. But yeah, I'm not objecting to a gorgeous actress, just objecting to the mind-set of immediately placing Jolie as number 1 for Catwoman, or any other sexy female lead that comes up.
So to get this correct, you wouldn't mind if an unknown with the most perfect face, curvaceous body, and limitless sexual aura, got the role?

[protoctista]

*deep sigh*
And just when a queue was forming... :woot:





As I've said ad nauseum, Selina is a bombshell. Always has been. You won't find much incarnations in which she isn't displayed as THE female looker.

We have different ideas about the character.
I don't see her so much as a total HUBBA HUBBA bombshell, rather as the ultimate turn-on (physically, intellectually) specifically for Batman - so for him she's a bombshell, yeah.


Your description about the subtle sexiness, that's something that would be more fitting for Lois Lane. Because her character precedes everything else. She merely needs to look pretty if the personality is nailed. Lois is all about the attitude. Selina is about immediate presence and allure.
Again, I've never said that I want her to be physically boring, or for her sexiness to grow on you subtly and slowly - rather that her sexiness is immediately apparant but you don't know why.

Because that's the best kind of sexy. That's the kind of sexy that gets you hooked, that gets you chasing after the damn woman and playing her over and over in your mind. I go back to the gaggle of georgeous girls scenario; a woman can be a bomb, THE female looker in a room and, as soon as you get home (no you didn't score with little-miss-double-D for the purposes of this thought experiment) you can't recall what eye colour she had, and you've probably forgotten her face by the morning, let alone the fall of her dress and the way she walked.


Selina is about immediate presence and allure.
We're in total agreement here, but - I think - with different emphasis. I'm more interested in the allure, you're more interested in the presence.

Presence is what makes you lose eye-contact with your girlfriend and start checking out those curves going by. Its the head turning ZING that is so often marked out by slow-mo in films.

But allure is much more subtle.
Allure is the belly tug, it's the invisible string that has one end in your penis and the other tied around her high heels. It's powerful but not overt.


Hell Angelina Jolie defines presence. She's a ****ing BANG call-out. The Silver Screen smokes as she struts.
But in terms of allure... ... ...WAIT I'm not saying she doesn't have allure. I just feel that her bucket load of presence: as an A-lister, a pin-up, a listed #1 most-attractive woman, a poster-girl; as repeatedly the cause of arguments with girlfriends (do you think I'm more attractive than Angelina Jolie? well?).... in short, (and, if it kills me this'll stick) Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™, would drown out the magical connection of Allure which is so infinitely more important in sex appeal.

Its the difference between the girls you meet and just... click, and the girls you click and never meet.




So why NOT cast these roles with gorgeous women, if they can deliver on the acting side?
I'm NOT saying I don't want a gorgeous woman.




So to get this correct, you wouldn't mind if an unknown with the most perfect face, curvaceous body, and limitless sexual aura, got the role?
When I said, "Bring it on. Give me some quirky little nympho and exactly the right bum." I was refering to my previous anecdotal thought experiment of the party and the gaggle of gorgeous girls - and the girl with the glasses and exactly the right eyes.

There's a difference between 'perfect face, perfect body, perfect bum, perfect legs' and a girl who has exactly the right bum OR face OR body - it's the girl with exactly that little something - Allure - that's gonna drive you nuts. That's gonna make you climb walls.

I don't define women in relation to a singular ideal - though if I did I would probably end up describing a woman like Angelina Jolie. I've discussed this point.

[batlovescatDC]

What about Ali Larter?

[gwynplaine]

Less long posts, more pictures of hot women:woot:.

[CaptainClown]

Less long posts, more pictures of hot women:woot:.
http://z.about.com/d/horror/1/0/9/x/LenaHeadey2.jpg
http://imaginativewomen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/lena-headey-51.jpg

[gwynplaine]

Yes ! That's what I'm talking about. Thank you, Captain.

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I am like the only supporter of Lena Heady as Catwoman. I think she looks athletic, beautiful and doesn't take your ****.

[protoctista]

http://djseven.ilcannocchiale.it/blogs/bloggerarchimg/DjSeven/03.jpg

Giovanna Mezzogiorno.

She can act too.

[batboy99]

Ya, I am like the only supporter of Lena Heady as Catwoman. I think she looks athletic, beautiful and doesn't take your ****.I think Lena would make an awesome Selina.

What about Ali Larter?
God no.

[protoctista]

What about Ali Larter?

*googles*
*guffaws*

[CaptainClown]

I think Lena would make an awesome Selina.
.
yay we agree

[Crook]

We have different ideas about the character.
I don't see her so much as a total HUBBA HUBBA bombshell, rather as the ultimate turn-on (physically, intellectually) specifically for Batman - so for him she's a bombshell, yeah.
It's not too different considering I agree with that statement as well. Only difference is in addition to that, I think she's also gorgeous to everyone else. I had always imagined Bruce and Selina to look like the types of people that could nab anyone they desired, but emotionally never connected so they were ultimately the most loneliest, sexy individuals out there, lol. That is until they meet up.

Again, I've never said that I want her to be physically boring, or for her sexiness to grow on you subtly and slowly - rather that her sexiness is immediately apparant but you don't know why.

If the sexiness is immediately apparent, why would the reasons for that be unbeknownst? At worst, the only thing you could say would be that you love "everything about her".

Because that's the best kind of sexy. That's the kind of sexy that gets you hooked, that gets you chasing after the damn woman and playing her over and over in your mind. I go back to the gaggle of georgeous girls scenario; a woman can be a bomb, THE female looker in a room and, as soon as you get home (no you didn't score with little-miss-double-D for the purposes of this thought experiment) you can't recall what eye colour she had, and you've probably forgotten her face by the morning, let alone the fall of her dress and the way she walked.
This is the very definition of "generic sexy". I.e. the type you see every day on tv or in a magazine. Which is something I'm NOT in favor of. Selina needs her own defined look, one that cannot be easily replicated, but desired. Since you have brought up Jolie, I think she is the type of sexy that does stay in your mind. I certainly did not forget her appearance when my 12-year old eyes laid sight on her.


We're in total agreement here, but - I think - with different emphasis. I'm more interested in the allure, you're more interested in the presence.
No, I'm interested in the balance of both. That's why I mentioned them together.

Hell Angelina Jolie defines presence. She's a ****ing BANG call-out. The Silver Screen smokes as she struts.
But in terms of allure... ... ...WAIT I'm not saying she doesn't have allure. I just feel that her bucket load of presence: as an A-lister, a pin-up, a listed #1 most-attractive woman, a poster-girl; as repeatedly the cause of arguments with girlfriends (do you think I'm more attractive than Angelina Jolie? well?).... in short, (and, if it kills me this'll stick) Angelina-Jolie-Sex-Appeal™, would drown out the magical connection of Allure which is so infinitely more important in sex appeal.
I guess this is where we just have to agree to disagree. No doubt Jolie has presence, but I won't ever see that is drowning out her allure or ability to connect with the audience.

To draw the topic away from Jolie a bit, I'd like to talk about someone else I thought would have been perfect for the role. Sadly, she is about half a century too old. Absolutely ideal in her prime, though:

http://zoesknittingbag.typepad.co.uk/my_weblog/images/lauren_bacall_scanned_photo.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/169857~Lauren-Bacall-Posters.jpg

Looking at these pics, Catwoman minds as well have been created because of Bacall's look. But I digress...

Even at the peak of her career, popularity didn't prevent Lauren from captivating audiences. Gorgeous on every level, had presence that would leave most actresses in the dust, and allure was there every single time. That's just another example if Jolie wasn't enough to understand my stance.

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, Lauren Bacall for Catwoman !

[ScarecrowMan666]

I still say Eva Green or Marion Cotillard for Catwoman, although I've recently been convinced that Eva could play Talia Al Ghul as well.

[july]

Eva and especially Marion have that sexy, smouldering and dangerous element to their persona that no other actress mentioned in the poll has; the fact that they are stunning and can act make them the perfect choice for Catwoman, no-one else comes close. Angelina Jolie is just as beautiful (if not more) but she lacks subtlety in both her acting and her sex-appeal (she comes across more scary and psychotic than smouldering) so her catwoman would be one-dimensional and predicatable.
Marion would bring depth, charisma and a dark, sexy edge to the role. And the idea of her switching accents is pure genius.

[Two-Face]

Scary? what on earth you on about? :huh:

[CaptainClown]

Actually ya Jolie has that fatal attraction look to her. If you broke up with her she would threaten to kill herself and some child.

[Two-Face]

Actually ya Jolie has that fatal attraction look to her. If you broke up with her she would threaten to kill herself and some child.

********.

[CaptainClown]

You know its true.

[Two-Face]

You know its true.

You and protoctista such a experts here....:whatever:

[CaptainClown]

yes...yess... strike me down two-face and your training will be complete!

[Two-Face]

http://djseven.ilcannocchiale.it/blogs/bloggerarchimg/DjSeven/03.jpg

Giovanna Mezzogiorno.

She can act too.



Can she speak English?

[Two-Face]

yes...yess... strike me down two-face and your training will be complete!

Oh sorry I meant to say "others" "you" was wrong....:csad::o

[protoctista]

Don't remember professing myself an expert...

[Crook]

Actually ya Jolie has that fatal attraction look to her. If you broke up with her she would threaten to kill herself and some child.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2rpb69g.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2qk45ub.jpg

Not seeing it. :huh:

Perhaps I would have thought the same back in the day, because of her personal exploits that frankly were truly bizarre. She's long past that stage though. Comes across as a really young MILF now. :o

[CaptainClown]

I dunno I personally do get that kind of vibe from her.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea theres definitely something kooky about Angie IMO.

[CaptainClown]

I won't even acknowledge her public life crazies, just those pics alone look like she is ready to kill.

[Two-Face]

You all imagine things. Her past nothing to do with cast Angelina as Selina.

[CaptainClown]

Well I am not talking about her keerrraazzzy past. Just she has a look of someone who is unstable. When I see her I do see someone who can snap because you didn't put the dishes away, or pull off a mommy dearest. "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!"

[Crook]

Is it the "dangerously sexy" look? That's the only rational explanation I can feasibly see. I guess you can perceive the pointy brows and piercing eyes as such. Lots of women have these features though.

[Mercurius]

Well, I, for one, liked very much her krazy kinky past.

Much better than the present right-wing-charitable-celebrity. Yikes!

[CaptainClown]

It isn't even the dangerously sexy look. While she does have it, many other actresses have it while not displaying a look of a mental patient.
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/49000/49092TyBX_w.jpg
Dangerous sexy while not looking to kill.

I don't think you would be able to understand because it just depends on who is looking and trying to "understand" what someone else sees in something is kind of hard. Understanding their opinions is one thing but to understand a feeling when someone sees something is kind of unexplainable.

[Crook]

That entire last paragraph sounds like listening to a nagging wife during a couples' therapy session. :huh:

[Ace of Knaves]

LOL. You guys are funny.

[CaptainClown]

ok so?

[Crook]

Ok, nothing. Just making an observation. :huh:










Argh! Women like to analyze everything!! :cmad:

[CaptainClown]

you don't understand me crook! you don't understand what i go through everyday when you're away!

[Two-Face]

:funny:

[ScarecrowMan666]

Angie is beautiful, we all know that. I'm just afraid if she got the role of Catwoman, that she would overshadow everything else in the movie...sort of like casting George Clooney as Batman, or Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze. You always run the risk of doing that when casting mega stars. I know the rumors that she might be cast, but I wonder what she thinks of them?:huh:

[regwec]

If Bridget Moynahan had bigger breasts and looser morals, she would have had twice the career that Angelina Jolie did.

[SuperZer0]

Jolie vs. Beckinsale :word:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9647/joliebeckinsaleld6.jpg

[Bim]

Beckinsale gets my vote.

[batboy99]

Jolie for me

[protoctista]

If it was between those two... probably Jolie - because Beckingsale can't act.

But then, the majority of this list are terrible actors/terrible choices; who the hell voted so many times for Eliza frigging Dushku?

[Golgo-13]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2rpb69g.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2qk45ub.jpg

Not seeing it. :huh:

Perhaps I would have thought the same back in the day, because of her personal exploits that frankly were truly bizarre. She's long past that stage though. Comes across as a really young MILF now. :o

I definately see it. She seems like she would cut your gonads off in your sleep if you ever though about leaving her.:csad:

[CaptainClown]

I definately see it. She seems like she would cut your gonads off in your sleep if you ever though about leaving her.:csad:
glad to see I'm not the only one.

[Golgo-13]

If Bridget Moynahan had bigger breasts and looser morals, she would have had twice the career that Angelina Jolie did.
...looser morals...:huh:

I like Bridget Moynahan looks wise, but i haven't seen her put down any stand-out performances to stand toe to toe with Bale and co.