The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[I Am The Knight]

Nah, Sharon Stone all the way. She can be made to look a little older if necessary, but she's still hot despite being ostensibly old.



Not to mention she's creepy as hell. Nice interviews.

[Melkay]

Rule # 1 of any Catwoman thread: NO ONE mentions that woman's name in a Catwoman thread, or he/she shall receive the penalty of death by hanging.

No one can mention that chick who played Storm either.

You're walking free now, under parole.

[protoctista]

Tonight, you're gonna break your one rule!

I'm also holding a piece of glass up to your parole officer's neck.



Seriously though... why?

[Melkay]

This is why...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman_(film)

I can see now that it wasn't intentional, but don't ever do that again. You're on probation now.

[I Am The Knight]

Ah, the CINO connection.

[protoctista]

Slight knee jerk reaction...

She didn't even play the character in that film, and were she to be cast in TDKR, she'd have a very small role indeed.

I reckon she'd be good.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I don't think the actors and actresses can take much blame for that debacle.

[dontplaydead27]

This thread is funny because watch Catwoman not even be in the movie. It seems the logical approach to "close" Nolan's stories, but will any of you be disappointed/mad if she isn't in it?

I will be mad if she's not in it. We've got the two best bad guys in my opinion already shown, Joker and Two-face (which Two-face, not Dent deserves WAAY more attention in my opinion, but that's the comic side of me) and Catwoman would sex this up, and I think all of us want to see Nolan's version of this character. I'd go with her look from the Hush stories. (Okay, I sound like a horny old man, but I mean she would be a good compare/contrast for bats, it would be great to see Bats have conflict with this girl since she's a petty criminal but no more)

When I was a kid, and still, Riddler and Penguin and Scarecrow and Freeze etc. bored me. Obviously Joker is a big favorite for most, but I really liked Two-face too, maybe because on the animated series he was mean and I thought he looked cool. Obviously he wasn't the character on the cartoon as he was in the movie.

I think we can all agree that whoever ends up playing Catwoman, should be able to display the chemistry between her and Bale, (assuming she's going to run into bats and have confrontations) and hope that Nolan can bring this character into the world, if he chooses to do so. He might not do the love angle since Burton did that...although it is basic roots of her relations with Batman.

[protoctista]

It has to be electric.

[dontplaydead27]

I'm going to share my idea of how she could be brought into this world, i've done this before but i'm going to do it again.

It's simple really, have Selena Kyle showing up at the big parties and such and Bruce notices her (because she's beautiful) and while he sees more of her at these get-togethers, there are huge thefts around Gotham (stores, important people, etc) and she works her way up to the "upper class" by stealing from the upper class. You could even have her eyeing Bruce for his belongings. And have her be motivated by Batman, to an extent, just like they made Joker, etc.

Not a good idea? I'd like to hear how people think she should be incorporated into this world (even though she might not be)

[Crook]

While I can agree with Marilyn an Bogart (different times, different publics, different expectation) that didn't happen to me with Training Day. In fact, I had to keep reminding myself that that guy was old nice Denzel. I thought of it at first, yes, but as the movie progressed, I completely forgot I was watching an actor. Maybe it was the constant comparison with Ethan Hawke.
I can't remember how I felt with The Shining now, but you're probably right, I give you that.
Finally we can agree on something. :up:

No, really, for me an A-list actor is a celeb who's at the top of his game. Morton is outside of that game of course but, for me, Jolie is too. Swank isn't. They're at the best of their game and they're called for the best movies. Jolie just returned to that scene with Changeling, a movie I want to see.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just using the term in how it's used by the general populace.

No no, I said that the amjority of her votes are (probably) because of her celeb status. The original poster said that too. And that's why I made the comparison with the second most voted in the list... Beckinsale.
Beckinsale isn't that much of a celebrity, imo. I genuinely think people want her because she's fit for the role. I don't necessarily agree, but that's besides the point.

Broad in meaning, ambiguous :whatever:... I wouldn't call Bruce a 'dark' character. Sure, he growls and looks ferocious while beating bad guys, but that would also make John MacLane in Die Hard 'dark'. With Bruce it's just part of an act, and every other bit of him it's that of a good person. I know, he was burdened by guilt and that made him bitter, but that doesn't make him 'dark'. I feel he needs much more grey areas and moral contradictions to be called 'dark'. Especially in Begins.
John McClane is a capable cop who gets into very rough situations. His demeanor and lifestyle are played for jokes. That's why the character is so popular, because Willis makes him extremely likable.

Bruce on the other hand lives a life of torment, one that is self-imposed. His newfound life is born out of tragedy, lives in tragedy, and will likely end in tragedy as well. There is no light at the end of Batman's tunnel. If there were, he'd cease to exist. If you're not gonna call him a dark character, then I would like to know what you would refer to him as. Certainly not 'light'?

He was under the effects of a drug, one that made all citizens act exactly the same. When he no longer takes the drug, we can see his true self... the puppy rescuer. You should look at Gerd Wiesler in "The Life Of Others" to see a good character that works for a totalitary system but because he believes in it, not because of pharmaceutics.
Whatever he was influenced under, he committed dark acts, did he not? That was my point. I know there's more to Preston, I was merely pointing out the gruff exterior that was presented throughout the film. It's not like it was mind-control and he had no say in whatever he did (in which case, I would agree it wouldn't be a dark character due to those circumstances). It's the loss of empathy/emotion that made him this way. It's still him. Albeit missing what makes him human.

Did you see the examples you gave to me? No wonder why Protoctista gets all presumptuous with you, I'm sure you can do better...
I chose them for a reason. They're easy to identify and almost anyone immediately knows what you're referring to. As long as I get the point across the same way, I see no reason to needlessly overcomplicate matters by choosing roles only a select group would recognize. If you're going to hold it against me for trying to make this simple and accessible for everyone...then sue me.

Nicole Kidman as Virginia Wolf (The Hours), Meryl Streep as Lindy Chamberlain (A Cry In The Dark), Robin Williams as Walter Finch or Sy Parrish (Insomnia; One Hour Photo), Jim Carrey as Joel Barrish (Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind)... all those are arguably the best interpretations of their respective careers, none of them in their 'comfort zone'. Not even close to it. And for that, for inmersing in their characters and not letting the star-status show its ugly head, they're superb and trascendental performances.
That's why I have a problem with that term of "comfort zone".
I'll ignore your first example because I haven't seen it. And I will disagree with the rest. Here's why. Meryl's arguably the greatest actress of all time, and while it was a terrific performance, I'm not gonna say it was outside her comfort zone. Not because the role wasn't good enough, but Meryl can do practically any dramatic role in her sleep. And it comes off effortless. Her comfort zone is so vast because of her wide talent, that I'd be hard-pressed to name a role that would be unusual for her. Ditto for Johnny Depp.

As for Carrey and Robin, I will disagree to a point. They're mostly known for their comedic personas, but more importantly they're great at acting and not just selling jokes. I forgot who said this, but comedians are quite at home in drama because they've already excelled at the crucial factor of timing and emoting towards the audience. They know exactly what to do to get a specific reaction from the viewer. Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, Michael Keaton, Will Ferrell, Tom Hanks, Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, etc etc. prove this. So we're both right from a certain viewpoint.

But, I will have to question why we're arguing this term. I only brought it up to state a fact that most Hollywood roles were constituted roles which generally didn't require the actors to test the limits of their abilities. That was it. Never said this was good, bad, preferable, or detested. I'm pretty sure we even agreed on this already.

The horrible accent? The lack of subtleties or any emotional display, for that matter? The predictability and the flatness?
The only moment she truly shines is when she's in the water, and she's just... standing there. And it's not even her, it's a digital mannequin.
I know the role sucked badly, but why did she took it in the first place?
Can't comment on the accent, I'm horrible at detecting those. The role was so simple and short in the first place, that it required little to no subtlety or emotional display. Jolie was supposed to play a seductress who made the strongest of men bow down to her. That was really it. On that front, I don't think she did awful at all.

And yet when people decide that someone is wrong for the part, you argue against them and play the 'good director with good script' card. Why? Are you here to remind everybody that ANYONE can be Catwoman? Because I dont' agree, and I don't think you agree either.
1) I play the 'good director with good script with good actress' card. Big difference.
2) Of course not. Which is why when I do discuss whatever actress is being brought up, I will always refer back to her credentials and capability.

First you defend how good she would be for the role and defend those that say she's the best option... but then you say that yo don't think Nolan should cast her. Last time I saw a neutral guy taking sides, I knew there was some flip-flopping in place. Don't worry, I do it too from time to time.
Well you will have to point me to these circumstances in which I've come to the defense of someone. Pretty sure all I do is agree if their opinion matches mine. I'm not some public defender.

Unless you make the assumption that he is going to make your idea of the movie, this thread is pointless to you. Even if he casts Catwoman, no one knows what Nolan is going for, so people should follow your example and stop speculating. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are completely wrong. There's no harm in speculation, even if it doesn't remotely come close to a reality. We're here to express our opinions as fans. Last I checked, that wasn't a bad thing.

Unless you make the assumption that Nolan is going to make your idea of the movie, then that fascinating Riddler thread is pointless to you. Wrong? Probably. So now you know the answer to your question.

I've never seen Eckhart suck at a movie because I've only seen Thank You For Smoking, In the Company of Men and Erin Brokovich, and he was great in all those.
But I would strongly suggest you check out Maggie Gyllenhaal's career.
I have. And she's good, but highly overrated amongst the fans here. I'd like to recommend Eckhart's filmography, but I'm afraid that would be lying.

Being consistently good, that is. They've all accomplished more in critical acclaim than Jolie, be sure of that.
I won't be, because I know it's not true. Jolie has had far more criticisms against her, but she also has far more acclaim. Not just in terms of awards, but the amount to which the roles are praised. Take the top 3 or 5 roles each actor has had, and I am sure that Jolie's is more lauded.

I don't think she would phone-in either... I'm saying she wouldn't inmerse as much as others, because for others it's a practice, and for her it is not.
And even if she did, I'm saying she's not THAT talented. She's good, but I don't think she's the best option.

And I want the best option. That's the crux of this debate.
Fair enough.

Again and again Crook solidifies the gaping chasm where my respect for his ideas might otherwise be found.
Be still, my beating heart. :heart:

MIAOW!
http://jumpthecouch.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/house_of_taylor_111207_10.jpg

She's still got it.

You know she's still got it.
Well, she most definitely had it in her hey-day. Imo, still in the top 5 of most beautiful Hollywood actresses ever:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9474/taylor3db8.jpg

[Melkay]

I never thought that Freeze was boring, but the first time I got to see him was in "BTAS: Sub-Zero", so I couldn't possibly think he was boring. Mission Impossible III proved that a character like the Penguin can be a real badass, and weel, we're arguing in the Riddler thread as much as in here. Every character can be done greatly in the next movie... but Catwoman is the right one to go with.

But no matter how good Nolan is directing, I've never seen him sex up anything he's done. He's seems to be quite detached and intellectual, and maybe he finds his Achilles heel working with Catwoman. That's why I made my idea of Catwoman considerably more 'ideological' than his comic book counterpart. The sex appeal angle may be a little bit lost with Nolan, but I trust him to do his best.

And hey, even Bale wants to explore The Dark Knight's sex life... :)

In Thesun.co.uk. he said: "I do think there is room for an 18-rated Batman. It's a little bit tricky to broach the sex aspect of the story when you want kids to come see it as well. I mean, I think it would be very interesting to do a 12 version and an 18 version - two different cuts."

My, my, he's as iconoclastic as Protoctista :)

[protoctista]

Crook, your point about Meryl Streep's comfort zone has redeemed yourself in my eyes. She is a different breed of actress. Her comfort zone encompasses all characters.

[dontplaydead27]

Hey, a Eckhart movie that I liked was "Bill". (Be warned, another movie with Elizabeth Banks, i'm getting sick of seeing her, she's been in a line of movies recently and because what she said about her role in Spiderman) Just about a guy (Eckhart) who gets a ****ty end of a stick in life. It's kinda...dry? Is that the word i'm looking for? But I like Aaron Eckhart, he seems like a cool guy, and plus he nailed the Two-face I went in hoping to see.

[dontplaydead27]

Ah, i'm alright with Catwoman not being all "pfeiffer-ed" out in the movie, i'd prefer her not to be. I guess i'm saying if the actress herself is attractive, and whatever she's wearing accentuates that, that alone *should be enough of sexuality for me. I'm not that picky.

Okay, Freeze isn't "Boring" per se, and he might be able to be done good in Nolan-verse. Ditch the getup of course and that name, but a man that's bitter because of what happened to his wife, that is something most can relate to I.E. Two-face. Forgive me but I forgot most of Freeze's origin, all I remember is his wife being in suspended animation? or dead floating in a glass tube, one of the two. Then again, maybe that's the animated series screwing with my mind. I seem to remember though hearing that BTAS was pretty accurate to the comics, more accurate than most series.

*Okay maybe it was the X-Men cartoon that I heard was pretty faithful to the comics.

[Crook]

Ah, i'm alright with Catwoman not being all "pfeiffer-ed" out in the movie, i'd prefer her not to be. I guess i'm saying if the actress herself is attractive, and whatever she's wearing accentuates that, that alone *should be enough of sexuality for me. I'm not that picky.
I suppose the sex aspect could be viewed as a superficial gloss to attract more seats. But I think it has it's place in the story if Selina were to enter the fray. Even going as far as depicting "the deed".

There a weird romanticism in seeing two individuals who have troubled pasts and trust issues, confiding in each other's flaws. It's even more amplified when they progress to a sexual encounter with shared intimacy, a gesture neither are too familiar with.

Okay, Freeze isn't "Boring" per se, and he might be able to be done good in Nolan-verse. Ditch the getup of course and that name, but a man that's bitter because of what happened to his wife, that is something most can relate to I.E. Two-face.
Two-Face isn't bitter about his wife's fate. He's turned his back on what his former self represented, because it turned it's back on him.

Forgive me but I forgot most of Freeze's origin, all I remember is his wife being in suspended animation? or dead floating in a glass tube, one of the two. Then again, maybe that's the animated series screwing with my mind. I seem to remember though hearing that BTAS was pretty accurate to the comics, more accurate than most series.
IIRC, it was BTAS that revamped the character, and the comics adopted it. As for his wife, she has a terminal disease. Freeze takes up his own agenda to find a cure, by whatever means necessary.

[dontplaydead27]

"Two-Face isn't bitter about his wife's fate. He's turned his back on what his former self represented, because it turned it's back on him."

Right, but i'm just saying it didn't help that his Fiance (were talking about the nolan-verse) was burned to death in an explosion, whether Dent points the blame at Gordon or whoever. But yes, I like the troubled Dent that he portrayed in the movie.

He was a man who lived life to "the book of the law" (or whatever you want to call it) and through corruption it turned on him, causing him to lose something, and he says "what's the point?" and points the blame at everyone but himself. A great representation of MAN. We all feel that at one point or another. I feel that everyday.

I love the line "You think I want to escape from this? There is no escape from this". It shows the desperation.

[Melkay]

Crook, your point about Meryl Streep's comfort zone has redeemed yourself in my eyes. She is a different breed of actress. Her comfort zone encompasses all characters.

I'm still to uncomfortable with the term (no pun intended). Meryl Streep could have been typecasted forever in good roles of nice, emotional women (Sophie's choice), but in a A Cry In The Dark she took a shot, and she got out of her usual characterization. She demonstrated how good an actress she was.

Ledger had a comfort zone, and he broke it to pieces with Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight. He showed what his realy range was, and that's it. Actors don't have a wider or narrower 'comfort zone'... they expand it. They keep expanding it, and you can't tell they're good until they prove it. Bad actors can't do this, obviously, but great ones can still immerse themselves and make you forget you're watching a performance. And that has a lot to do with quality, but also a lot to do with expectations. That's basically my problem with the term. It denies the incredible capabilitie to improve that many actors have not shown... yet.

[Keyser Sushi]

How does ANYONE make a Catwoman casting poll and overlook Rosario Dawson?

Rosario IS Catwoman.

Seriously.

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/rosario-dawson/pictures/rosario-dawson-picture-6.jpg

That's Selina Kyle right there.

Meow.

[ScarecrowMan666]

I think it's funny how some people(not mentioning any names) are so SURE that Angelina will be Catwoman...when in all reality, Catwoman may not even be in the movie. I mean Nolan said awhile back that he didn't want Catwoman in one of his movies, did he not? So this thread's pretty pointless if you think about it.

[Crook]

No one said they were sure Angie would be Catwoman.

Catwoman's not confirmed, and neither is the sequel. So this entire thread and this entire board for that matter are pointless going by this reasoning.

[Keyser Sushi]

I think it's funny how some people(not mentioning any names) are so SURE that Angelina will be Catwoman...when in all reality, Catwoman may not even be in the movie. I mean Nolan said awhile back that he didn't want Catwoman in one of his movies, did he not? So this thread's pretty pointless if you think about it.

All very true.

I doubt Nolan will use Catwoman, though I think given Bruce's mindset now with Rachel gone, Catwoman would provide interesting drama.

And no way in hell would Nolan put Angelina in there. Angelina is so overused and really... is she hot? Sure, but I'm sick of looking at her. Make some room in the bed for Rosario.

Show some :heart: for Rosario.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080226/Rosario-Dawson_l.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/streetcarp645/RosarioDawsonEsquire.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/vkr_bibin/Rosario%20Dawson/Esquire%20Magazine%20Scans/dawson001.jpg

http://blog.netzsheriff.de/uploads/leckerschmeckerfotzelecker.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/weinstein_company/clerks_ii/rosario_dawson/clerksiiposter2.jpg

Seriously.

Selina Kyle.

Any questions?

[Crook]

Yes. Why are you casting a Puerto Rican/Afro-Cuban girl for a role that's typically defined as Italian-American or White caucasian? :p

[Lobo]

I love Roasario, but not for Catwoman. Carla Gugino needs to be Selina.

[Crook]

I love Roasario, but not for Catwoman. Carla Gugino needs to be Selina.
Carla's absolutely gorgeous, but by the time this movie gets done, I fear she's too old for the part. I'm not gonna lie though, I really wouldn't mind her one bit. She's undeniably stunning:



Italian too. Resembles the character in looks and origins very much. :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes. Why are you casting a Puerto Rican/Afro-Cuban girl for a role that's typically defined as Italian-American or White caucasian? :p

Why not?

In Year One, Selina looked sort of black. She's been referred to as "Eurasian," since then.

Selina is whatever Gotham needs her to be. :D

Also:

I love that Rosario is sort of multiracially flavored. She's sorta hispanic, sorta black, sorta whatever. She's just a sexy, sexy girl with a little coloring.

Selina has sometimes been known to have a little coloring, no?

[The Major]

Yea I don't think the actors and actresses can take much blame for that debacle.

The actors do deserve at least some blame for bad roles, especially in high profile projects.

They chose to sign on and the ones with more power, which I assume Halle is one of them, didn't use it well at all.

[Keyser Sushi]

I love Roasario, but not for Catwoman. Carla Gugino needs to be Selina.

Why do you not love Rosario for Catwoman? In what way is she not... yummy?

Carla Gugino would be okay too. She's been in Sin City AND Watchmen, as I recall... so she's definitely not afraid of comic book movies. :hehe:

Carla's absolutely gorgeous, but by the time this movie gets done, I fear she's too old for the part. I'm not gonna lie though, I really wouldn't mind her one bit. She's undeniably stunning:



Italian too. Resembles the character in looks and origins very much. :up:

*motorboat*

[Lobo]

Crook, as :wow: as that Carla pic is, it's kinda borderline so i edited it out.

Yeah her age is a factor that works against her, but if they started filming this year or even next, she's my top choice. I always felt both Katie and Maggie were on the young side for Rachel, so i figured maybe they'd make the next love interest a tad older. Personally while I'd love Selina to appear, I'd prefer Talia in the next Batfilm

[Crook]

It was allowed in the Hotties thread when someone else posted it. :huh: :(

Like I said, I wouldn't mind her. She looks extremely good for her age.

[Keyser Sushi]

Crook, as :wow: as that Carla pic is, it's kinda borderline so i edited it out.

Yeah her age is a factor that works against her, but if they started filming this year or even next, she's my top choice. I always felt both Katie and Maggie were on the young side for Rachel, so i figured maybe they'd make the next love interest a tad older. Personally while I'd love Selina to appear, I'd prefer Talia in the next Batfilm

Talia would be cool, too, since that would tie it back to Begins nicely. Especially if Ra's were to mysteriously resurface. ;)

I've always thought that from a story standpoint, Catwoman would work in Batman 3 because Bruce has lost everything and understands that he's giving up any hope of a normal life. So for him to meet a woman who is just as messed up as he is - and who can handle herself on the mean streets of Gotham - would be sort of great.

Talia can fill those shoes nicely, too.

The other side of that is that all of Batman's enemies are sort of twisted reflections of him -- we know Harvey was the white knight to Bruce's dark knight; Joker was the chaos to Bruce's law and order; Scarecrow used fear for evil while Batman uses it for good... and Ra's was the jaded destructor in the name of law and order, while Batman was the symbol of hope and redemption for the good people of a city gone bad.

At the end of TDK, Batman has chosen to let the people think that he's a villain instead of a hero.

And in the comics, Selina has been on both sides of the law. She's a charming and usually sympathetic character who just does what seems appropriate to her, rather than worrying about what is legal or illegal.

So... I thought it could be fun if Selina were to appear to be a hero while Batman is still thought of as a villain. Again, an opposite to Batman, just not as expected this time.

Talia might be able to fill those shoes but perhaps not as excitingly as Selina.

Talia, though, welcomes all kinds of other lovely stories. Like a "Son of the Demon" kind of riff.

Though in a way they've touched on that already.

[Golgo-13]

I love Roasario, but not for Catwoman. Carla Gugino needs to be Selina.
I love Gugino but i've been watching her on Entorage and she's starting to how signs of her actual age.

[Laderlappen]

I dont find Rosario Dawson that great. She isnt a very serious dramatic actress, and has never done anything really impressive acting-wise. We should aim a little higher. Plus I also rather have a white Catwoman.

[Ace of Knaves]

Carlo Gugino is in Watchmen though right? Do you reckon she could be in two DC films?

I think she could be a great Selina/Catwoman though, we need someone who is the same age as Bale, or at least looks similer to his age group. I don't want some 20 year old Catwoman running about, she should be mature and powerful.

[Lobo]

It was allowed in the Hotties thread when someone else posted it. :huh: :(

Like I said, I wouldn't mind her. She looks extremely good for her age.
Chose to opt for caution.

I love Gugino but i've been watching her on Entorage and she's starting to how signs of her actual age.
Still looks great IMO. I am currently deciding on ym back up Selina choices.

Carlo Gugino is in Watchmen though right? Do you reckon she could be in two DC films?

I think she could be a great Selina/Catwoman though, we need someone who is the same age as Bale, or at least looks similer to his age group. I don't want some 20 year old Catwoman running about, she should be mature and powerful.

Yes, she is in Watchmen, but I guess I always viewed Watchmen as it's own separate continuity, so i wouldn't mind her in both.

[I Am The Knight]

Plus, she'll spend most of Watchmen in a retirement home of sorts.

[batboy99]

I love Roasario, but not for Catwoman. Carla Gugino needs to be Selina.
Both would be fine. They can both handle the role. Rosario would be grea,t even though catwoman is white and carla, while on the oder side, shes gorgeous and she can definetly pull off the role.

[Golgo-13]

Carlo Gugino is in Watchmen though right? Do you reckon she could be in two DC films?



I don't see why not. I have a thing against it personally but Marvel has had Sam Elliott in both Hulk and GR; Rebecca Romjin in both The Punisher and X-Men movies, and Donald Logue in Blade and GR.

[Two-Face]

I dont find Rosario Dawson that great. She isnt a very serious dramatic actress, and has never done anything really impressive acting-wise. We should aim a little higher. Plus I also rather have a white Catwoman.



Dawson is hot and an great actress, I can see her playing Selina.

[batboy99]

I think she would be fine.

[Two-Face]

I think she would be fine.

Yeah agree...


BTW, I like your avvy... :heart:

[Laderlappen]

Fine is a good word for how Rosario would be. Not excellent, not terrible. Fine.

[batboy99]

^Agreed.


And thanks Two-Face, the though of Olga as Catwoman just doesnt seem to go away :D

[Ace of Knaves]

Lucy Pinder as Catwoman. Might be a bit too top heavy for those acrobatic maneuvers though! :D

[protoctista]

Ledger had a comfort zone

Absolutely false. Every single one of his roles even before Brokeback Mountain are unique and challenging. Long before his casting was anounced for The Dark Knight I thought that guy was special.

[Ace of Knaves]

Where is that quote from protoctista? What a foolish person! :D

[Two-Face]

Lucy Pinder as Catwoman. Might be a bit too top heavy for those acrobatic maneuvers though! :D



I'll pay to see that... :up::hehe::woot:

[Ace of Knaves]

HEHEHEHE I knew you'd like that one Face!

[Two-Face]

HEHEHEHE I knew you'd like that one Face!

Yeah she wouldn't need to say anything expect "Bruce come to bed...":hehe:

[protoctista]

Sadly, Ace, it was Melkay.

[protoctista]

If Lucy Pinder was Catwoman, I'd probably explode.

[Two-Face]

I think I laugh so hard I wouldn't able to stop for long time....

[batboy99]

If Lucy Pinder was Catwoman, I'd probably explode.
:hehe::hehe:

[Melkay]

Absolutely false. Every single one of his roles even before Brokeback Mountain are unique and challenging. Long before his casting was anounced for The Dark Knight I thought that guy was special.

Ironically, I can agree with that because I don't believe in the term. To me is an oxymoron. Either you have the opportunity to have a role that shows your true range, or you don't.
Ledger was typecasted for a long time, and that's what I meand with it. 10 Things I love About You was quite okay, but far from what this guy could do. It was an inferior role in his career. And he went from doing 'rough girl-dream' in "10 Things..." to 'suave girl-dream' in "Casanova". He had nothing to do with his role in A Knight's Tale because there was little to do with it, and yeas, he was pidgeonholed to a male young protagonist type of role.

As he was the 'rebellious son who ends up dead' in both The Patriot and Monster's Ball... and only in the later he got to show some of the emotional range he had. But he was still the cute boy. He tried to shake off that stigma being fierce in Ned Kelly or quirky on Brothers Grimm, but he still the cute boy. And Casanova was still quite recent. His first big leap from that stigma was Brokeback Mountain. Why? Not because his interests evolved, no, versatility was always important for him. It was because Ang Lee trysted him and gave him a chance.

Put my quote in context, please. My point is that the 'comfort zone' term is bollocks, more relevant to producers and casting directors than to actors. One cannot break a comfort zone and have it before. There is no such thing. Pidgeonholing by producers, that's what it is.

[Ace of Knaves]

Melkay you haven't seen Candy then? He was brilliant in that, maybe better than in Brokeback

Edit: Or even Lords of Dogtown where he played a zoned-out scruffy drug/alcohol addict. He was brilliant in that, very similer to his performance as Joker IMO.

[Laderlappen]

Lucy Pinder as Catwoman. Might be a bit too top heavy for those acrobatic maneuvers though! :DNever heard of her. What has she done?

[Ace of Knaves]

Don't worry Lader, we was just pissing about. She ain't a actress, she is a topless model. Check Two-Face's avvy for more info! ;)

[protoctista]

Ah someone who's seen Candy!!!!!!

Great acting all round.

Abbie Cornish is stunning - in a sympathetically despicable, raving mad harpy kind of stunning.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, neither of them were looking at their best in that film though! :D

[Dark Jaguar]

I don't like any of the choices, however logic hinders my vote...

at this rate, i should've just voted for Lucy Pinder. . . who needs acting ability with a rack like that?!!! :grin:

[Ace of Knaves]

Word! :D

[Dark Jaguar]

Now, I'll be a bit more serious in my casting decision...

I've been nit-picking about, trying to find a good actress who says to me "Selina" or "Catwoman"...
and I think I just stumbled across my choice... now, I haven't been interested in Prison Break since the first season, but as I sit here and watch an episode of season 3 with my friends... I can't help but think that Jodi Lyn O'Keefe
(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005281/)
could really stand out as the new love interest of Bruce Wayne...

She's about the right age (30), she's tall (5'10"), she does have the face for the Catwoman costume. And a figure that could fit ANY of the adaptations of Catwoman.
Plus she's got a serious enough look to be Selina Kyle, and play the role opposite Christian Bale.
She's not glitzy enough to unbalance the gritty feel of Nolan's Gotham City. Yet she's elegant enough to seem like someone that could catch the eye of Bruce Wayne...
With some training, and coaching I think she could easily stand opposite The Bat.
Watching her on Prison Break, she definitely has a solid grasp of the "antagonistic" role. And she can seem very tough. As for her eyes, they're a powerful pale color that could easily be changed with contacts.

Plus she avoids the very unattractive features of Maggie and the droopy downs look of Katie, unlike many of the choices in the poll.
not to mention a relative unknown despite her experience.

Yeah? yeah? c'm on... who's with me... you know you like it.

[Crook]

I'll give her one thing. She undoubtedly looks like a tough chick. But huge points off because she can't convincingly act threatening. Not like it matters for this role, but it shows limits on her acting.

Another big con for me is she doesn't have the female glamour that I think this role requires. She's very butch through and through. Selina needs to be independent, sure, but there's a level of feminine vulnerability there.

[Dark Jaguar]

I'll give her one thing. She undoubtedly looks like a tough chick. But huge points off because she can't convincingly act threatening. Not like it matters for this role, but it shows limits on her acting.

Another big con for me is she doesn't have the female glamour that I think this role requires. She's very butch through and through. Selina needs to be independent, sure, but there's a level of feminine vulnerability there.

I disagree:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm996905984/nm0005281 a glamour shot.

I think she has an amount of vulnerability to her, um... here, you see her not being the bad-ass assassin (like in Prison Break), but just herself:

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi4168351769/

And after seeing her portray a baddy on Prison Break, and threatening... what's his name? Sucrae? I can see her being very threatening...

[Crook]

I disagree:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm996905984/nm0005281
She's dressed like a girl, but her entire demeanor is the exact opposite. It's just how she naturally looks.

And after seeing her portray a baddy on Prison Break, and threatening... what's his name? Sucrae? I can see her being very threatening...
Sucre. She's had a few "good" threatening moments, but I still find her acting forced on that show. Ditto for that black assassin.

[Lobo]

O'Keefe is bets suited to play Evil Lyn in a MoTU movie.

Hmm. How would you guys feel about Evangeline Lilly as Selina?

[batboy99]

Jodi Lynn, i love her, but she has this evil look about her, naturally.

[Dark Jaguar]

She's dressed like a girl, but her entire demeanor is the exact opposite. It's just how she naturally looks.


Sucre. She's had a few "good" threatening moments, but I still find her acting forced on that show. Ditto for that black assassin.

She's a very tough looking chic, yes. It's the fact that she's got a strong jaw line, and a powerful look to her eye. I think that is exactly the look Selina Kyle should have. Especially in Nolan's realistic, gritty world. She's not a flawless beauty. She's not a ditzy, Kirsten Dunst wannabe. She's a self-made woman who has to be tough. I think she could be very vulnerable if the role needed it. She's not a girly-girl, and that's whats important. She's a -woman-. She's not bound by teenie-bopper roles (IE Holmes & Dawson's Creek), and she's definitely capable of being mutli-faceted, unlike Maggie who just wanted to be another Kirsten Dunst (and uglier than sin, IMHO). And she seems competent enough that I think Nolan could very well get the direction out of her that he needs... as he is very good at getting his actors to portray the characters how he sees them.

I don't think her acting ability has ever been tested, as most of her roles have been bit parts in TV shows... which don't require the level of acting as a movie.
She's been in some movies, but has never stood out. And it wasn't because of her lack of acting, it was just the role she was in.

[protoctista]

You've only raised her physical features... which is a bit superficial. I don't want the casting of Catwoman to be superficial.

One thing about Jodi Lyn O'Keefe is that she can only act in broad strokes. She's not talented, and she only has TV credentials - which is credentials in favour AGAINST film.

[Laderlappen]

Now, I'll be a bit more serious in my casting decision...


Jodi Lyn O'Keefe :lmao:

[Dark Jaguar]

O'Keefe is bets suited to play Evil Lyn in a MoTU movie.

Hmm. How would you guys feel about Evangeline Lilly as Selina?

Too open. Too... i dunno how much sense this gonna make... but, too "earthy"... i'd pick her for Ivy.

[protoctista]

I just read Dark Jaguar's elaborated justification.

:facepalm

[Dark Jaguar]

I just read Dark Jaguar's elaborated justification.

:facepalm

and you've got something better?

[protoctista]

A better casting suggestion or a better grasp on reality?

Yes to both.

[batboy99]

Proto-You want marion for Catwoman right? Well to answer Dark Jaguars question,yup, you do got a better choice

[CaptainClown]

Jodi Lyn looks like she stomps on puppies because it excites her. Gorgeous but looks insanely evil

[Crook]

She's a very tough looking chic, yes. It's the fact that she's got a strong jaw line, and a powerful look to her eye. I think that is exactly the look Selina Kyle should have. Especially in Nolan's realistic, gritty world.
What does this have to do with how Selina is typically depicted? Are you saying an independent female character can't conceivably be realistically portrayed if she has feminine qualities?

I don't think her acting ability has ever been tested, as most of her roles have been bit parts in TV shows... which don't require the level of acting as a movie.
She's been in some movies, but has never stood out. And it wasn't because of her lack of acting, it was just the role she was in.
Which is exactly why I don't want her in this role. She's not a proven actress with great roles under their belt, whereas everyone in Nolan's films are (exception of Katie). You have to keep the bar high here when it comes to casting important roles.

[Laderlappen]

I don't think her acting ability has ever been tested, as most of her roles have been bit parts in TV shows... which don't require the level of acting as a movie.
She's been in some movies, but has never stood out. And it wasn't because of her lack of acting, it was just the role she was in.
Wait a minute! How is this a reason for casting her? She has never been good in anything so she should be cast as Catwoman? Huh? What kinda logic is that?!

[protoctista]

What kinda logic is that?!
It's certainly not logic.

[Ace of Knaves]

Logic is an elusive thing!! :D

[protoctista]

Evidently

[Dark Jaguar]

A better casting suggestion or a better grasp on reality?

Yes to both.

i'm sorry? Were you trying to be scathing or just an idiot?
"a better grasp on reality"??
You should stop now. You've already invalidated any argument.
You should've just gone with a casting suggestion instead of making it a personal.

Next?

[protoctista]

i'm sorry? Were you trying to be scathing or just an idiot?
"a better grasp on reality"??
You should stop now. You've already invalidated any argument.
You should've just gone with a casting suggestion instead of making it a personal.

Next?

You should have stopped with 'I'm sorry'.

Allow me to fix that...




I'm sorry. I was just trying to be an idiot.
I shall duely seek "a better grasp on reality".
I should stop now. I've already invalidated any argument.
I should've just gone with an actual casting suggestion instead of rambling nonsense about Jodi Lynn O'Keefe.




I love the way he confidently said 'next' as if he'd conclusively anhiliated me. That was priceless.

[Dark Jaguar]

What does this have to do with how Selina is typically depicted? Are you saying an independent female character can't conceivably be realistically portrayed if she has feminine qualities?
I didn't say that. I just said that her looking tough is an important part of the character fitting into Nolan's world.. it's an armor of sorts.

Which is exactly why I don't want her in this role. She's not a proven actress with great roles under their belt, whereas everyone in Nolan's films are (exception of Katie). You have to keep the bar high here when it comes to casting important roles.
Ok, point. But it's hard to get that high quality of proven actress without using the same old tired names, again and again. I was just trying to think outside of the box.
It's not like she's had a lot of roles that are a stretch for her to play, doesn't mean she's a bad actress. She just hasn't really put herself out there. Poor writing does not mean bad acting, people.

[protoctista]

But it's hard to get that high quality of proven actress without using the same old tired names, again and again.
Bollocks.

[Dark Jaguar]

You should have stopped with 'I'm sorry'.

Allow me to fix that...


No. I just want something more intelligent than senseless bashing, which is exactly what you're doing.
You don't know me. You're taking mindless pot shots at someone who thinks differently than you, and it's showing what a complete idiot you are. You are trying to be witty, and yet you've shown no real intelligence.
so again, i ask:
Next?

[protoctista]

Your arguments dont demand deconstructive criticism; the flaws are evident as they are.


Yes I'm taking potshots but if you paint concentric circles over yourself, I'm going to reload.


And neither have you shown "any real intelligence". I, at least, have not vomitted up the opposite.

[Crook]

I didn't say that. I just said that her looking tough is an important part of the character fitting into Nolan's world.. it's an armor of sorts.
Yes, but as I said originally, she needs to look tough yet retain a side of vulnerability and soft quality as well. She's not a hard-ass 24/7. Far from it. She is still a woman.

Ok, point. But it's hard to get that high quality of proven actress without using the same old tired names, again and again. I was just trying to think outside of the box.
It's not like she's had a lot of roles that are a stretch for her to play, doesn't mean she's a bad actress. She just hasn't really put herself out there. Poor writing does not mean bad acting, people.
If she had actually given some good performance, then I would be more open to the idea of her. But I haven't, and I just can't picture her in the role. There are far better choices to consider I would think than just hoping she could pull it off.

[Dark Jaguar]

Yes, but as I said originally, she needs to look tough yet retain a side of vulnerability and soft quality as well. She's not a hard-ass 24/7. Far from it. She is still a woman.


If she had actually given some good performance, then I would be more open to the idea of her. But I haven't, and I just can't picture her in the role. There are far better choices to consider I would think than just hoping she could pull it off.

True, but vulnerability is going to come through in the performance, not in the look. a physical character like catwoman is going to look strong and tough.

However, as far as bad performances? I haven't seen a lot of her, and what I have seen of her lately, namely her performance in Prison Break, I liked. She has a lot of potential given the right direction. Which is something Nolan is good at.

protoctista: just... stop speaking to me. you're not even contributing to a civil discussion. you're just shamelessly trying to pick a fight, and i hope the mods slap you with an infraction for it.

[Crook]

True, but vulnerability is going to come through in the performance, not in the look. a physical character like catwoman is going to look strong and tough.
How would that be possible? The exterior reflects one's inner emotions. If you want to project that to the viewer anyway. If she's stone-faced at all times, how are people gonna see this vulnerability?

However, as far as bad performances? I haven't seen a lot of her, and what I have seen of her lately, namely her performance in Prison Break, I liked. She has a lot of potential given the right direction. Which is something Nolan is good at.
What potential? Didn't you just say before that she hasn't shown much range because of her roles?

[protoctista]

She's a very tough looking chic, yes. It's the fact that she's got a strong jaw line, and a powerful look to her eye. I think that is exactly the look Selina Kyle should have. Especially in Nolan's realistic, gritty world. She's not a flawless beauty. She's not a ditzy, Kirsten Dunst wannabe. She's a self-made woman who has to be tough. I think she could be very vulnerable if the role needed it. She's not a girly-girl, and that's whats important. She's a -woman-. She's not bound by teenie-bopper roles (IE Holmes & Dawson's Creek), and she's definitely capable of being mutli-faceted, unlike Maggie who just wanted to be another Kirsten Dunst (and uglier than sin, IMHO).

All of this is an attempt to associate vague aesthetic commentary with judgements on her nature as a woman (underlined). A lot of it is trite (bold), and none of this is substantiated. Even if it were substantiated it would have no bearing on her (poor) abilties as an actress.

And the part in large text astounds me.

Truly.

Firstly, Jodi Lyn O'Keefe has shown no ability to be multi-faceted - just a bland, monochrome 'bad-ass-*****'.

Secondly, using as antithesis Maggie Gyllenhaal, who is, by polar-contrast a fantastically multi-faceted actress, of a long proven career (which, I wonder, have you even seen?) shows to me you have a mistaken conception of that term.

Thirdly, the second of your banal 'Kirsten Dunst' referrences (who is a better actress than O'Keefe anyway), is just nonsensical. How in blue hell does Maggie want to be like Dunst? Because she's in a superhero film as the leading female? Are you actually 12?




I don't think her acting ability has ever been tested, as most of her roles have been bit parts in TV shows... which don't require the level of acting as a movie.
She's been in some movies, but has never stood out. And it wasn't because of her lack of acting, it was just the role she was in.
So her acting hasn't been proven, and you're basing your conception of her abilities on performances that have not yet been seen, and you want her to star in a massive blockbuster stuffed with the best actors around?

She's been in TV, which is a world away from Cinema and not just in the way the two are made. You've already admitted that TV doesn't require the level of acting demanded in a movie - what makes you think she HAS this level of acting, when you then say that she never stood out in her movie roles? That is the problem of TV-star crossovers; they fail to stand out. TV stars rarely have a successful cross over, and those that have are in my personal opinion awful.

And saying that she hasn't stood out because the role wasn't written well shows a complete lack of appreciation for brilliant actors like Heath Ledger who, in a supporting role, outshone many of the all-star cast in films like Monster's Ball and The Patriot.

Supporting doesn't mean you're background.






But it's hard to get that high quality of proven actress without using the same old tired names, again and again. I was just trying to think outside of the box.


Off the top of my head:

Marion Cottilard - Proven, but definately not 'the same tired old name'. Many mainstream film goers don't even know of her, despite her Best Actress win. She's been consistently arthouse, and is fresh, exciting, and more than capable.

Samantha Morton - Brilliant actress, proven career, most people have no idea who she is.

Kelly MacDonald
Michelle Williams
Abbie Cornish

There's a list of hundreds of fantastic actresses out there, and nowhere on anyone's list is O'Keefe. Excuse me if my exception to that statement is yours.





True, but vulnerability is going to come through in the performance, not in the look. a physical character like catwoman is going to look strong and tough.
That's a TV mentality. Conflicting character qualties don't have to be convyed through seperate means. A good actress - character pairing will have a physical look that exemplifies multiple character qualities, not just one and have the others 'added in' by performance.

And in simple subjectivity, I'd personally like, sometimes, to see Catwoman vulnerable, with a performance that is tough. The contradiction within her personality has to be shown through every available means.





She has a lot of potential given the right direction. Which is something Nolan is good at.


Anyone has potential given direction. Look at Marlon Wayans under Darren Aronofsky. Or any actor's performance under Aronofsky.

Nolan hasn't proven he can get actors to achieve their potential. He's always worked with actors at the top of their game - Insomnia, Memento, Prestige, Batman franchise. Those actors from a Nolan film that have been criticised are the actors that came into a Nolan film with 'potential' (or un-proven careers), ergo Katie Holmes in Batman Begins, Martin Donovan in Insomnia, and some supporting characters throughout.





Next?

[Dark Jaguar]

How would that be possible? The exterior reflects one's inner emotions. If you want to project that to the viewer anyway. If she's stone-faced at all times, how are people gonna see this vulnerability?


What potential? Didn't you just say before that she hasn't shown much range because of her roles?

i'm sorry, seems there's a miscommunciation here...
when i say role.. i mean what she was given to work with.
a bad girl in a teenie bopper film is not some big stretch of acting capability.
Most TV shows don't need the acting quality a movie does, its two different levels of the same media. and yet studios will constantly take the hottest thing (IE: Evangeline Lilly & "The Long Weekend") and give them a movie.

Sometimes they shine through as an actor.
Sometimes they don't.

I don't think that kind of test has really been applied to Jodi Lyn O'Keefe. *Shrugs* It's just my observation. But as I also stated, I haven't seen much of her work.

[Cunning Stunts]

Just to break up the arguing for a second... I posted this in the Casting Call: All Villains! thread...

What about:http://www.celebrity-bookmark.com/toons/vera-farmiga/vera-farmiga_07.jpg
Vera Farmiga?

[Cunning Stunts]

What's with all this talk about actors having to be "proven" to be in a big movie? You've got to prove you have potential or the ability to work with a director, who, if you can't do it solely on your own, can direct you into the right performance.

Nolan showed that he can do that with- proven actors- yet, still something happened that most other movies don't have happen... Every single performance was outstanding. Hell, look at other all-star movies, like Sin City. As much as I like Michael Madsen, he didn't exactly deliver the best performance possible (as Bob) in Sin City. Mickey Rourke, however, who wasn't exactly "proven" before Sin City stepped into the spotlight and delivered a killer performance as Marv.

Acting is just like any other team sport, game, activity, etc. You've got to be trained in it to be good at it (in most cases), and work well with everyone around you to put on the best performance possible. Football games aren't won by a single player, just like movies aren't made by a single actor. Some of the greatest actors and scripts can look terrible if they're stuck with bad casts and crews.

Reading through these boards makes me curious to see how much acting experience a lot of the users really do have.

[Crook]

What's with all this talk about actors having to be "proven" to be in a big movie? You've got to prove you have potential or the ability to work with a director, who, if you can't do it solely on your own, can direct you into the right performance.
By this criteria, there would be no bounds to which actresses are viable for this role. Since it is technically possible for every actress to be directed to the right performance. With those type of numbers, you'd be waiting a long time to narrow those candidates down.

We have to remember with Nolan, that he usually seeks these actors out rather than hold auditions (with the exception of the title role, for obvious reasons). So if said actor/actress hasn't done anything notable, then there is no chance in hell Nolan is even going to consider them.

Hell, look at other all-star movies, like Sin City. As much as I like Michael Madsen, he didn't exactly deliver the best performance possible (as Bob) in Sin City. Mickey Rourke, however, who wasn't exactly "proven" before Sin City stepped into the spotlight and delivered a killer performance as Marv.
Rourke absolutely was proven as an actor. He just had a very big career slump. Ever seen Diner, Body Heat, or The Pope of Greenwich Village? Fantastic performances.

Reading through these boards makes me curious to see how much acting experience a lot of the users really do have.
Are we acting in these movies? Then it doesn't matter. Are professional movie critics trained directors and screenwriters?

[Dark Jaguar]

protoctista:
... NOW you decide to do something other than throw your own feces, and expect to be acknowledged?? OK, well, since you want to hang out with the adults:
Marion Cotillard: Rose Mcgowan look alike.
Samantha Morton: Not going to look good in a catsuit.
Kelly MacDonald: Kate Winslet?
Michelle Williams: Aww, the dead junkies ex and baby's momma... Dawson Creek much?
Abbie Cornish: again, not going to look good in the suit.

Yes, unfortunately, i know, gasp, LOOKS is an important part of casting for a comic book adaptation. Even one like Nolan's Batman.
You remember? Batman 3, the hope-to-be movie?
I'm not denying the capabilities of the women you listed, but not ONE of them stands out as far as their looks go. Remember: Bruce's first impression is the way she looks, as he's playing up the role of the playboy billionare.
She has to have a dark, mysterious and unique look, part of what caught my eye about O'Keefe.
As for your defense of the ugly-ass Maggie, Ms. My-Face-Is-Slidding-Off-My-Skull.... she goes from the smiling, upbeat kid in Donnie Darko to the... smiling, upbeat ADA in TDK... you're never going to get me to like Maggie Gyllenhaal.
um.
smiling... upbeat... assistant district attorney... don't get around court rooms much, do you?? Not many people are upbeat or smilling. I have never seen her play anything but smiling and upbeat... just like Kirsten Dunst, who's best role ever was... the little girl from Interview With The Vampire.

anyone can do better than those two.

So while you're blindly flailing about, grabbing names other people have dropped (is Carla Gugino next?)... why don't you stop the posturing.

However, you still completely invalidated any intelligent argument with all your arrogant, childish insults earlier. please, really.. don't talk to me. you're just not gonna prove anything to me, other than you're easy an easy target if i'm looking for a fight.

next.

[Cunning Stunts]

By this criteria, there would be no bounds to which actresses are viable for this role. Since it is technically possible for every actress to be directed to the right performance. With those type of numbers, you'd be waiting a long time to narrow those candidates down.

We have to remember with Nolan, that he usually seeks these actors out rather than hold auditions (with the exception of the title role, for obvious reasons). So if said actor/actress hasn't done anything notable, then there is no chance in hell Nolan is even going to consider them.


Rourke absolutely was proven as an actor. He just had a very big career slump. Ever seen Diner, Body Heat, or The Pope of Greenwich Village? Fantastic performances.


Are we acting in these movies? Then it doesn't matter. Are professional movie critics trained directors and screenwriters?

Nope, but those critics are hired based on the fact that they know what to look for, and give more honest opinions than others... Moreso what we get when we weed out fanboys and haters. As for acting in the movies, I'm simply pointing out the fact that a number of users on here talk like they know the ins and outs of every side of acting, when half the stuff they're "requiring" from actors, I've never even heard in my classes/experiences- or even at all, for that matter, until now (for the record, that comment was aimed more towards users like protoctista, not yourself).

I know Rourke was a "proven" actor, but the guy had come back out of nowhere. I love his acting, and I'm a big fan of his... But his name generally isn't associated with names such as Depp, Downey, Clooney, Damon, etc. I probably worded it more harshley than I intended for it to mean.

[Hunter Rider]

My first choice is still Angelina Jolie, others I think would work are Kate Beckinsale, Charlize Theron, Rachel Weisz and Michelle Monaghan.

[Crook]

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Yes, unfortunately, i know, gasp, LOOKS is an important part of casting for a comic book adaptation. Even one like Nolan's Batman.
You remember? Batman 3, the hope-to-be movie?
I'm not denying the capabilities of the women you listed, but not ONE of them stands out as far as their looks go. Remember: Bruce's first impression is the way she looks, as he's playing up the role of the playboy billionare.
She has to have a dark, mysterious and unique look, part of what caught my eye about O'Keefe.
I'm gonna have to contest this, because I think Marion looks very unique and beautiful when she's made up with the right hair and makeup:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/204/002sf5.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2133/006ne0.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5625/0021zn0.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2433/003ub5.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2562/0414jj0.jpg

Can you honestly say that her look isn't fitting for this role? She looks very alluring, youthful, and mysterious in all these pics. Marion is in a very ideal position to be cast, having the up-and-coming star factor as well as the beauty to match.

Nope, but those critics are hired based on the fact that they know what to look for, and give more honest opinions than others... Moreso what we get when we weed out fanboys and haters.
If there's any crowd to be in a good position to judge the comic book films, it'd be the fans. Yes, I know the term fanboy carries it's negative connotations of brash attitudes and sophomoric mentality, but there are quite a few that are very knowledgeable on the subject. Taking into account that we're the ones who have the most passion regarding these characters, well I can't think of any one that'd be more suited to criticize.

As for acting in the movies, I'm simply pointing out the fact that a number of users on here talk like they know the ins and outs of every side of acting, when half the stuff they're "requiring" from actors, I've never even heard in my classes/experiences- or even at all, for that matter, until now.
Can you name these things? I don't know what you're referring to.

I know Rourke was a "proven" actor, but the guy had come back out of nowhere. I love his acting, and I'm a big fan of his... But his name generally isn't associated with names such as Depp, Downey, Clooney, Damon, etc. I probably worded it more harshley than I intended for it to mean.
This is simply all I was contesting. You had written otherwise in your original post.

[Hunter Rider]

If no one is worrying about accents I'd throw Olga Kurylenko's name into the hat.

[[A]]

If no one is worrying about accents I'd throw Olga Kurylenko's name into the hat.

*standing ovation*

[Keyser Sushi]

If no one is worrying about accents I'd throw Olga Kurylenko's name into the hat.

Just asking, Hunter, since you're a fine judge of girl-flesh (lol)... how do you feel about my casting suggestion? Somebody around here must see the genius in this. ;)

[Dark Jaguar]

I'm gonna have to contest this, because I think Marion looks very unique and beautiful when she's made up with the right hair and makeup:


Can she lose the accent? And how would she be with the physical aspect of the role?

I dunno, she just seems too feminine, or "girly", to me. but that's just me.

I always see Selina/Catwoman as being a strong female character. An intelligent self-made woman, and a daring, fearless criminal. Who's not afraid of The Batman, infact she is eager to taunt him, and prove her muster...
Whose biggest vulnerability is her falling in love with Bruce/Batman.

Maybe not as damaged as people would want to think, Selina doesn't strike me as being the "victim-type". Definitely not openly vulnerable, or easy to hurt emotionally. And definitely not emotionally traumatized. Resentful, maybe. Possibly even vindictive...

I think whoever would be lucky enough to play this character, if Nolan goes this route, should resemble that. And a lot of that is what i see in O'Keefe... *shrugs* but that's IMHO. And ultimately futile, because I don't get to make casting decisions....

My secondary choice would have to be Jolie... but that's being "Safe" in my decision. You can't really go wrong with her. She's a proven actress. Both in deeply emotional roles, and as an action star... however, she seems to be far too big of a name for Nolan to run with.

Kate Beckinsale would be my third choice... She's a damn good actress, although not wholely tested in her scope, she's also a wonderful action star... but ultimately not a real choice, because she's said she does not want to do any more action films.

*shrugs* If we could make them all younger, I would say Scarlett Johansson as a fourth.. But she's not really old enough, yet, to portray Selina. And that's it.. i'm out of names and choices...

[flickchick85]

I definitely agree with Crook on this one. I'm guessing Dark Jaguar is fairly unfamiliar with Marion Cotillard apart from photos, or he'd probably have more to say on her than "Rose McGowan look-alike." But that's obviously just speculation on my part. Still, I think we can do a little better than the Prison Break girl, either way.

Cotillard FTW!

ETA:
Can she lose the accent?
We'll all soon see, since she did it for Public Enemies, which comes out this summer.

And how would she be with the physical aspect of the role?
While she hasn't done a very action-packed role before, she has proven to be a very physical actress, so I have no doubt she could pull off the action aspect. That's actually the easy part of the role, imo.

I dunno, she just seems too feminine, or "girly", to me. but that's just me.
Well the majority of her film roles have been tough, commanding, feisty, or just plain strong women. I've only seen her play 1 or 2 meek girly types.

[Hunter Rider]

Just asking, Hunter, since you're a fine judge of girl-flesh (lol)... how do you feel about my casting suggestion? Somebody around here must see the genius in this. ;)

:woot: What was your suggestion ? I'm a late arrival in the vol 2 Catwoman thread. :O

[Keyser Sushi]

:woot: What was your suggestion ? I'm a late arrival in the vol 2 Catwoman thread. :O

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15936555&postcount=3519

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15936624&postcount=3522

:D

[Hunter Rider]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15936555&postcount=3519

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15936624&postcount=3522

:D

Ohhhhhhhhh, given the wink i thought you had perhaps suggested Bale in a wig. :D I thought about Rosario when i looked at the poll, she certainly has the body and raw sexuality for the role, and is a decent actress, i could see her as a possible outsider. :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

I even found this lame-ass manip (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/catsincolored7mpSpider-Fan83.jpg) that appears to have been done by "Spider-Fan" or somebody.

It's not a good manip but it shows that she does look the part.

[Keyser Sushi]

Ohhhhhhhhh, given the wink i thought you had perhaps suggested Bale in a wig. :D I thought about Rosario when i looked at the poll, she certainly has the body and raw sexuality for the role, and is a decent actress, i could see her as a possible outsider. :up:

LOL, I wish I *had* thought of that. :D

I think Rosario has a good Selina-ish look. I see it in the shape of her face and her eyes, and as you say, her "raw sexuality."

People talking about her having the wrong color skin and stuff like that sorta bothers me, because I don't think it ought to matter, and Rosario really feels like a little of everything.

I've always thought she was pretty but Clerks II sold me on her awesomeness.

[Hunter Rider]

LOL, I wish I *had* thought of that. :D

I think Rosario has a good Selina-ish look. I see it in the shape of her face and her eyes, and as you say, her "raw sexuality."

People talking about her having the wrong color skin and stuff like that sorta bothers me, because I don't think it ought to matter, and Rosario really feels like a little of everything.

I've always thought she was pretty but Clerks II sold me on her awesomeness.

:D :up:

Definitely the eyes i think, and the body would fill out the suit. My issue would be that while she'd make a great Catwoman, she strikes me as kind of a tomboy in how she carries herself, not masculine but "Butchish" for lack of correct English, so in the Selina part, at the fancy dinners and such (If they went that way) I am not sold on her like i would be Theron.

I'm not hung up on colour either although i can't deny the argument of "Why change when there are equally good actresses for the role that also match how the character has been drawn for x amount of years ?", holds a degree of merit.

Her dancing in Clerks II was gold. :hehe:

[Crook]

Can she lose the accent? And how would she be with the physical aspect of the role?
Accent remains to be seen. But I don't doubt she could. As for physical aspects.....well, yes. She hasn't proven herself to be adept at it, but neither was Uma Thurman when she took up Kill Bill. In any case, I would find it hard to believe Catwoman necessitates any sort of training deemed too difficult for the typical actress.

I dunno, she just seems too feminine, or "girly", to me. but that's just me
You can't be too feminine for a role like Selina. She is the complete embodiment of a woman. Marion can pull off the attitude and feistiness, the pics alone showcase her commanding charm. She's far from the "girly" type, I assure you. Have you seen her films?

I always see Selina/Catwoman as being a strong female character. An intelligent self-made woman, and a daring, fearless criminal. Who's not afraid of The Batman, infact she is eager to taunt him, and prove her muster...
Whose biggest vulnerability is her falling in love with Bruce/Batman.

Maybe not as damaged as people would want to think, Selina doesn't strike me as being the "victim-type". Definitely not openly vulnerable, or easy to hurt emotionally. And definitely not emotionally traumatized. Resentful, maybe. Possibly even vindictive...

I think whoever would be lucky enough to play this character, if Nolan goes this route, should resemble that.
Not disagreeing here. Like I said, it's important the actress can convincingly portray a strong woman, but not without a touch of a softer and intimate side.

[Keyser Sushi]

:D :up:

Definitely the eyes i think, and the body would fill out the suit. My issue would be that while she'd make a great Catwoman, she strikes me as kind of a tomboy in how she carries herself, not masculine but "Butchish" for lack of correct English, so in the Selina part, at the fancy dinners and such (If they went that way) I am not sold on her like i would be Theron.

Hrmm. I don't think I have ever thought of her like that... I see strength in the way she moves as Gayle in Sin City... actually she has a little of Catwoman in her there anyway, especially if you go Year One style... but I think Selina ought to have that kind of strong, badass aspect to her.

But she can also be incredibly feminine and girly, and she looks good in a dress:

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rosariodawson/rosario_dawson_4.jpg

I'm not hung up on colour either although i can't deny the argument of "Why change when there are equally good actresses for the role that also match how the character has been drawn for x amount of years ?", holds a degree of merit.

Well, Selina was black in Year One. She's sometimes described as part-Italian, sometimes Eurasian, sometimes she seems entirely white... I don't think Selina HAS a definitive heritage.

I said earlier that Rosario seems like a little of everything. I did some checking and she actually IS a little of everything - black, Native American, Irish, Latina... that explains why she seems like all of those and none of those at the same time. She's a unique girl and she's incredibly sexy. I think those are both selling points when casting Catwoman.

Her dancing in Clerks II was gold. :hehe:

I was about to ask if you'd seen Clerks II. Her dancing was indeed gold. I totally fell for her in that movie. Of course, I am very much Dante, so how could I not?

She was playing pretty much every geek's dreamgirl. :heart:

:oldrazz:

[Keyser Sushi]

Not sure if these links will work, but if not, there's a solution for that too.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/rosario-dawson-06300806.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/rosario-dawson-06300805.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/RosarioDawsonArtofElysium.jpg

[[A]]

I don't have these! Plus, it's another bad case of hotlinking.. it's unstoppable :hehe:

[Keyser Sushi]

It should be noted this broad looks incredible with short hair.

[Dark Jaguar]

I definitely agree with Crook on this one. I'm guessing Dark Jaguar is fairly unfamiliar with Marion Cotillard apart from photos, or he'd probably have more to say on her than "Rose McGowan look-alike." But that's obviously just speculation on my part. Still, I think we can do a little better than the Prison Break girl, either way.

Cotillard FTW!


Cotillard **** The World? (it's not "for the win". save that stupid ass WoW stuff for wow. it's **** The World. Has been, always will be. I'M TAKIN' IT BACK, YA'LL!!! :p)

And no. I have not seen her movies. I'm going off the images I've seen on IMDB... HOWEVER:

Marion Cotillard looks like a little girl. She does not strike me as looking like someone that's trained in martial arts, raised in orphanages, lived on the streets, and has become a masterful thief and con-artist.
You can do make up and make her look dark and mysterious.. but that edge... that toughness is not going to show in her face. I would not be able to buy into it at all. Like Maggie Gyllenhaal trying to act like a girlfriend, instead of an assistant district attorney... it'll completely ruin my suspension of disbelief.

Although, to that extent. not one choice mentioned does... not even O'Keefe... least of all Rosario Dawson... and oddly enough Jolie has played roles like that before... however, i don't want to go there.

I don't know anymore...

[cerealkiller182]

LOL, I wish I *had* thought of that. :D

I think Rosario has a good Selina-ish look. I see it in the shape of her face and her eyes, and as you say, her "raw sexuality."

People talking about her having the wrong color skin and stuff like that sorta bothers me, because I don't think it ought to matter, and Rosario really feels like a little of everything.

I've always thought she was pretty but Clerks II sold me on her awesomeness.

Agreed. I think theres better choices but I would also be very grateful that Rosario had the role

[jmc]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2133/006ne0.jpg



Love this image.

[Ace of Knaves]

Michelle Williams: Aww, the dead junkies ex and baby's momma... Dawson Creek much?

Who said this? That is bang out of order.

[Hunter Rider]

Hrmm. I don't think I have ever thought of her like that... I see strength in the way she moves as Gayle in Sin City... actually she has a little of Catwoman in her there anyway, especially if you go Year One style... but I think Selina ought to have that kind of strong, badass aspect to her.

But she can also be incredibly feminine and girly, and she looks good in a dress:

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rosariodawson/rosario_dawson_4.jpg



She looks good in a dress in a still pic for sure, but when she moves it's like Michelle Rodriguez, there is a "I'd rather be in jeans" feeling IMO. I agree on the badass aspect, I just think there is a line between badass and butch.

Well, Selina was black in Year One. She's sometimes described as part-Italian, sometimes Eurasian, sometimes she seems entirely white... I don't think Selina HAS a definitive heritage.

I said earlier that Rosario seems like a little of everything. I did some checking and she actually IS a little of everything - black, Native American, Irish, Latina... that explains why she seems like all of those and none of those at the same time. She's a unique girl and she's incredibly sexy. I think those are both selling points when casting Catwoman.

I didn't realize she had as varied a heritage as that so I can see the argument, I am not totally sold on her as an actress though, are you ?



I was about to ask if you'd seen Clerks II. Her dancing was indeed gold. I totally fell for her in that movie. Of course, I am very much Dante, so how could I not?

She was playing pretty much every geek's dreamgirl. :heart:

:oldrazz:

Their discussions in the office are the highlight of the movie. :D

[Lobo]

Carla remains my top choice, but for younger actress, I'd go with

http://i37.tinypic.com/iglo1x.jpg

Or Maybe Bruce will want to go for a blond this time around

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x256/cathalinu/0708-charlize-theron-paris_md.jpg

[protoctista]

Where the hell has my post gone?

[B]

Eliza Dushku is a good call :up:

First thought of Jolie but Dushku would be a good catwoman as well

[Laderlappen]

Carla remains my top choice, but for younger actress, I'd go with

http://i37.tinypic.com/iglo1x.jpg

Or Maybe Bruce will want to go for a blond this time around

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x256/cathalinu/0708-charlize-theron-paris_md.jpgToo feminine. Needs to be more manly. :woot:

[Lobo]

:funny:

[protoctista]

Why has my post been deleted?

[markstrange]

I have said this before, I don't like the Idea of Catwoman in nolan's batman movies, even if she is a fairly realistic character, as of yet, she not epic enough for a big screen production. ( you have every right to disagree completely.)

I think, however, she would fit so well in a TV series. You could explore so many elements that make her who she is. If done right, a TV series could reveal her to so many people and spread knowledge and understanding of her that I think could not really be explored in a 2 hr and a half long movie and have enough batman time to make it a batman movie.

Catwoman Tv show could replace the Idea of The Graysons which fortunately failed to be.

[batboy99]

I have said this before, I don't like the Idea of Catwoman in nolan's batman movies, even if she is a fairly realistic character, as of yet, she not epic enough for a big screen production. ( you have every right to disagree completely.)

I think, however, she would fit so well in a TV series. You could explore so many elements that make her who she is. If done right, a TV series could reveal her to so many people and spread knowledge and understanding of her that I think could not really be explored in a 2 hr and a half long movie and have enough batman time to make it a batman movie.

Catwoman Tv show could replace the Idea of The Graysons which fortunately failed to be.
And Scarecrow was? If anything, Catwoman is the bigger character and serves more of a purpose. Shes almost like the female equivilant of Batman. Shes one of Batmans biggest love interests and she serves a purpose to both Bruce Wayne and Batman equally. She passed the ''epic'' stage a long time ago.

[Crook]

I don't even know what the bolded means. She's inarguably in the top 5 most popular/recognized Batman characters, and at best she'll be a large supporting character. What more do you need to be "epic"?

[Ace of Knaves]

Well Catwoman is known the world over, she is one of the biggest female icons in pop culture. I think she passes the "epic" test. :D

[batboy99]

She passed epic ages ago.

[Crook]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure he meant her place in the narrative. Harvey's arc is a pretty tough spot for any supporting villain to live up to now.

[Golgo-13]

Not sure if these links will work, but if not, there's a solution for that too.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/rosario-dawson-06300806.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/rosario-dawson-06300805.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/RosarioDawsonArtofElysium.jpg

Well since it seems we're disregarding race, i think Sanna Lathan is a far superior actress to Rosario.

[Lucid]

----

[bunk]

Still Charlize Theron for me. Working on a manip currently.

[Two-Face]

Still Charlize Theron for me. Working on a manip currently.



Cool.



Nice Obama avvy. :up: BTW.

[bunk]

Cool.



Nice Obama avvy. :up: BTW.


Thanks! :up:

[batboy99]

Yay, we need more charlize as catwoman manips.

[Dark Jaguar]

Michelle Williams: Aww, the dead junkies ex and baby's momma... Dawson Creek much?

Who said this? That is bang out of order.

I said it. And I stand by it.

The only reason Michelle Williams would get a nod from Nolan is because he feels bad about Ledger.

And it's not out of order: it's the truth.

[Hunter Rider]

I said it. And I stand by it.

The only reason Michelle Williams would get a nod from Nolan is because he feels bad about Ledger.

And it's not out of order: it's the truth.

Talking about Ledger in such a crass and disrespectful way is not needed, and only serves to stir trouble.

[batboy99]

-Eliza Dushku(I wish)
-Marion Cotillard
-Angelina Jolie
-Charlize Theron
-Olga Kurylenko

[Lobo]

-Marion Cotillard
-Angelina Jolie
-Charlize Theron
-Olga Kurylenko

No Eliza? :huh:

[Laderlappen]

I said it. And I stand by it.

The only reason Michelle Williams would get a nod from Nolan is because he feels bad about Ledger.

And it's not out of order: it's the truth.Michelle Williams is one of the most interesting and promising young actresses in hollywood right now. She's way above that chick from Prison Break.

And calling Heath 'that dead junkie' is incredible offensive and mean thing to say. If you'd say that infront of me, I'd punch you on the head.

[batboy99]

No Eliza? :huh:
Shes still on my list, but i know many dont like her and she probably wouldnt work for the movies, but really, shes the first on my list

[Lobo]

I think she could do very well, and I know she'd look great in costume.

[Crook]

Michelle Williams is one of the most interesting and promising young actresses in hollywood right now. She's way above that chick from Prison Break.

Indeed. She also looked bangin' when she was made up in 'Deception':

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9303/michellewilliamsel3.jpg

She would be an interesting off-beat choice for Selina. Though her association with Ledger would undoubtedly cloud the production. Which is unfortunate.

[Ace of Knaves]

I said it. And I stand by it.

The only reason Michelle Williams would get a nod from Nolan is because he feels bad about Ledger.

And it's not out of order: it's the truth.

So it's not out of order to abuse a widow? And Heath wasn't a junkie, he might of done coke but that don't make you a junkie. Therefore you are not speaking the truth.

[batboy99]

I think she could do very well, and I know she'd look great in costume.
Im not alone! And i KNOW she would look good in the costume

[Lobo]

yep, all you have to is watch jay and Bob strike back again :D

[[A]]

You people only care about the looks :hehe:

[batboy99]

I find her underrated really. But shes far from what the actress in the movie needs ot be. Id chooe her for a tv series or something. I know many people hate her, but thats ok.

The best choice for the movies is Marion IMO.

[Two-Face]

-Eliza Dushku(I wish)
-Marion Cotillard
-Angelina Jolie
-Charlize Theron
-Olga Kurylenko



I agree with the list, specially one in bold.

[batboy99]

I dont care what anyone says, Jolie is perfect for the role. Though I prefer Marion, Jolie looks the most like the character.

[Two-Face]

She's too "famous" or "obvious" are nonsense crap.

[batboy99]

Well, in all fairness,she is really famous, but thats no reason to not cast her. And why do you think shes the ''obvious'' choice? Cuz shes just too perfect.

[Ace of Knaves]

^Agreed.
Why is she the most "obvious" choice? Errrrrrr let me think.......

[Two-Face]

She's beautiful, kissable lips, the eyes are like cat eyes...


And can act....

[batboy99]

We would be lucky if she was cast.

[hatebox]

I think being an 'obvious' choice is a valid criticism.

I mean, how much a added kick did fans get from having no idea how Heath was going to do it and then get blown away?

[Golgo-13]

She's beautiful, kissable lips, the eyes are like cat eyes...


And can act....

..who's that in your avvy?

[Ace of Knaves]

I think being an 'obvious' choice is a valid criticism.

I mean, how much a added kick did fans get from having no idea how Heath was going to do it and then get blown away?

Yea but Joker is a completely different beast. He's unpredictable, so an unexpected casting choice would be suitable for him so we don't know what we are getting untill we see it.
Catwoman isn't like that.

[hatebox]

Yea but Joker is a completely different beast. He's unpredictable, so an unexpected casting choice would be suitable for him so we don't know what we are getting untill we see it.
Catwoman isn't like that.

Point taken, but there's still a number of ways she can be interpreted. I suspect that, like the Joker, it'll be more down to Nolan's take on her than the actress herself. One suspects he'd find some new way of approaching her.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea i'm still undecided about Catwoman, I like both Jolie and Cotillard.

[[A]]

If Brett Ratner was to direct the 3rd one, you all would be getting Jolie.

[Crook]

Fantastic contribution.

[hatebox]

Actually, come to think of it, that does ring true.

[batboy99]

So Ratner would actually be doing something right for once?

[jmc]

If Brett Ratner was to direct the 3rd one, you all would be getting Jolie.

Don't even joke about Brett Ratner coming in on this franchise.

Brett Ratner = Spawn of Satan.

[Laderlappen]

I actually prefer Marion's look more for Selina than Jolie's.

[[A]]

Don't even joke about Brett Ratner coming in on this franchise.

I know he ain't coming to the franchise :o I just meant that, if he's in, the project's gonna be trashy enough to have Jolie, Dushku and all that.

[batboy99]

I actually prefer Marion's look more for Selina than Jolie's.
I prefer Marion,but i still think Jolie looks the most like the character

[batboy99]

I know he ain't coming to the franchise :o I just meant that, if he's in, the project's gonna be trashy enough to have Jolie, Dushku and all that.
Jolie is way too good for ratner

[protoctista]

As it hasn't been answered, I feel no qualms about banging the same drum: WHY THE HELL HAS MY POST BEEN DELETED?

[[A]]

What post, proctopopc.. procopt.. proct.. Um, what post?

[CaptainClown]

As it hasn't been answered, I feel no qualms about banging the same drum: WHY THE HELL HAS MY POST BEEN DELETED?
ask a mod

[Melkay]

I dont care what anyone says, Jolie is perfect for the role. Though I prefer Marion, Jolie looks the most like the character.
The best choice for the movies is Marion IMO.

I'd like you to make up your mind on this. You say Jolie is perfect, but you want Marion. You say Jolie looks the most like Catwoman (something I strongly disagree with), but you want Cotillard. Is there any logic behind this? Tell us your reasons to prefer Cotillard cuz' maybe, in your opinion, she has better qualities than Jolie, after all.

Michelle Williams: Aww, the dead junkies ex and baby's momma... Dawson Creek much?
I said it. And I stand by it.

The only reason Michelle Williams would get a nod from Nolan is because he feels bad about Ledger.

And it's not out of order: it's the truth.

The SHH posters are probably the most polite, calm and intelligent people I've seen in my whole life. I'm not. Your post not only deserves banning, it deserves a complete verbal assault on you. Not only you insulted a great actress and a still greving mother like Williams, you also insulted Nolan's intelligence by suggesting he would cast someone out of pity. And then, maybe to overkill, you insulted everybody's intellgence here by suggesting a third-rate actress and couldn't even come up with decent reasoning beyond the obvious fact that she's hot and brunnette. Are you underage? Are you mentally impaired? You're certainly pathetic, because when you had nothing left to say you started babbling about incredible actresses and not being able to come up with anything intelligent about them. Marion Cotillard... a Rose McGowan look-alike? False AND pathetic, is that supposed to be an insult? Too 'girly'? I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but check her filmography before resorting to mindless critiques of subjects you nothing about.
Michelle Williams, a dead junkie's widow?
You had someone pound your head with sound arguments and you needed to let go some frustration, I get that... but in THAT way?
You're lucky enough to be ignored by the other posters here. That doesn't change the fact that you are gutless wimp and, hopefully, you'll learn to live with that.

Jolie is way too good for ratner

Was she good enough for Timur Bekmambetov? ("Wanted")

As it hasn't been answered, I feel no qualms about banging the same drum: WHY THE HELL HAS MY POST BEEN DELETED?

Tell me, what was the post about?

[Hunter Rider]

As it hasn't been answered, I feel no qualms about banging the same drum: WHY THE HELL HAS MY POST BEEN DELETED?

If a post is infracted then it is not wanted on the board and thus deleted.

[protoctista]

That's all very well, but please explain how my post was infracted?

[Hunter Rider]

That's all very well, but please explain how my post was infracted?

You got the infraction notice when it was infracted so you should know why.

[protoctista]

And if that is the case, kindly delete the comment by Dark Jaguar referring to Michelle Williams as a 'dead junkies wife'.

[protoctista]

I apologise. I neither realised that I had been given such notice, nor that condescension was a crime.

[Hunter Rider]

It fits under flaming here.

[[A]]

off-topic but, HR did you check my last report..?

[Laderlappen]

That guys arguments are retarded. Marion is 35 years old. How can she be girly? Its not like she has that highschool/cheerleader look some actresses has. And Rose McGowan look alike? If anything Rose McGowan would be a Marion Cotillard lookalike because Marion is much above her. But she doesnt look anything like her anyway.

[batboy99]

I'd like you to make up your mind on this. You say Jolie is perfect, but you want Marion. You say Jolie looks the most like Catwoman (something I strongly disagree with), but you want Cotillard. Is there any logic behind this? Tell us your reasons to prefer Cotillard cuz' maybe, in your opinion, she has better qualities than Jolie, after all.

Tell me, what was the post about?
Becuase I prefer Marion. I still love jolie, but id rather have marion. Shes a lesser known actress nad while she doesnt look like the character as much as jolie, i still think she resembles the character and i would like to see her take on a role like this. Jolie is still on my list, but she has done similar roles and I would like to give someone else a chance. I do tihnk jolie is ''perfect'' in her own way though.

Plus, im not the only one woh thinks jolie looks more like the character but prefer marion.


And WTF does it say I posted the junkie post when I didnt?

[[A]]

That guys arguments are retarded. Marion is 35 years old. How can she be girly? Its not like she has that highschool/cheerleader look some actresses has. And Rose McGowan look alike? If anything Rose McGowan would be a Marion Cotillard lookalike because Marion is much above her. But she doesnt look anything like her anyway.

just a little correction: she's 33

[Laderlappen]

I ddint bother checking her IMDb page for her exact date. I knew she was born in the mid-70's somewhere. But whatever...

[[A]]

I checked wikipedia, heh

[bunk]

I don't like Jolie for Catwoman really at all. She is a solid actress, but I don't think I would like her in the roll. She tends to annoy me when she plays certain kinds of characters. She could surprise me though.

[[A]]

I agree with half of your statement, bunk

[protoctista]

Reposted with condescending comments removed. Have attempted political correctness. Do not wish to cause offense.





Marion Cotillard: Rose Mcgowan look alike.
Samantha Morton: Not going to look good in a catsuit.
Kelly MacDonald: Kate Winslet?
Michelle Williams: Aww, the dead junkies ex and baby's momma... Dawson Creek much?
Abbie Cornish: again, not going to look good in the suit.


I wasn't using these as casting suggestions; I was merely pointing out that not going for 'the same tired old names' - i.e. the mainstream A-list doesn't mean we have to resort to talentless bimbos like O'Keefe. There are actually films besides the ones that get shown at your multiplex – maybe you should check them out? All your comments are looks-based, and show no comprehension of the actress's talent. It is apparent that your comments are based on a google image search.




I'm not denying the capabilities of the women you listed, but not ONE of them stands out as far as their looks go.


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Though I hardly need state it, I feel that this is conclusive evidence otherwise. If you still contest me, I suggest not countering me, as no force on this planet could convince me that these women are not attractive.




She has to have a dark, mysterious and unique look, part of what caught my eye about O'Keefe.

If you've based your casting suggestion of O'Keefe on her look - which all your comments indicate that you have - then there are a hundred other actresses which have a 'dark, mysterious and unique look', and some of them are actually able to act.

That's ignoring the fact that O'Keefe looks quite masculine.





As for your defense of the ugly-ass Maggie, Ms. My-Face-Is-Slidding-Off-My-Skull....


Again I would advise you against attempts to judge the aesthetic appeal of women.
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Maggie Gyllenhaal is a seriously sexy little minx. If you contest this, you are wrong. This isn't a matter of subjectivity, it' a matter of truth, justice and the American way.







she goes from the smiling, upbeat kid in Donnie Darko to the... smiling, upbeat ADA in TDK... you're never going to get me to like Maggie Gyllenhaal.
um.
smiling... upbeat... assistant district attorney...



I have never seen her play anything but smiling and upbeat...


So you've seen her in two roles.

You've never seen, The Secretary, Adaption, Mona Lisa Smile, Sherry Baby, Stranger Than Fiction, or Paris Je T'aime. All of which show her variety and talent. Dark, nasty, needy, sexy, powerful, weak, overt, introvert... All of which would prove to you as comprehensively as the wheel upon road kill that you are wrong.

You see, I base my judgements on a variety of performances. Not two mainstream performances and a couple of images on Google.

It's fine if you haven't seen her in many films. But it means you should perhaps think more carefully about how informed you are to be giving such strongly negative comments about her as an actress.





just like Kirsten Dunst


She is nothing comparable to Kirsten Dunst, so drop the issue.










And as for Marion Cotillard, why don't you actually watch some of her films. It might enable you to join in with our discussion.

I dunno, she just seems too feminine, or "girly", to me. but that's just me.
Firstly, absolute bollocks. Secondly, Catwoman is the epitome of femininity - so what's the problem?


And a lot of that is what i see in O'Keefe...
So you've picked up the single quality that a one-dimensional actress was practically screaming at you in a TV performance. That's like saying, "I've kind of noticed that Zachary Quinto can play obsessive, slightly evil roles" from watching the pantomime that is Heroes. Not only do I disregard, entirely, your ability to judge a woman’s physicality, I can from this statement disregard your every assessment on their acting abilities as you A) have not seen any performances by the actresses mentioned above and B) actually think that Jodi Lyn O'Keefe is talented enough to play all the character qualities you mentioned, PLUS the other dimensions such as vulnerability, need, sexuality, morality and... importantly, finesse.

Might I suggest that it would assist your understanding if you read up on the concept of three-dimensionality in performances.



Marion Cotillard looks like a little girl. She does not strike me as looking like someone that's trained in martial arts, raised in orphanages, lived on the streets, and has become a masterful thief and con-artist.
So you've managed to deduce everything about her as a person and as an actress purely from an image on your computer screen. If you haven't seen her performances, that's fine. But again, perhaps you should consider your abilities to judge her as a person and as an actress.


Oh but

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No. I have not seen her movies. I'm going off the images I've seen on IMDB...

There.

You've removed yourself from the discussion.

Again, please stop with the google-image assessment. I believe, and I’m sure many would agree with me, that this is a place for insightful, informed discussion.








This one is for Crook, going back to our argument over the kind of people that gave Angelina Jolie and Kate Beckinsale such high turn-outs on the Poll
My secondary choice would have to be Jolie...
Kate Beckinsale would be my third choice...

*shrugs* If we could make them all younger, I would say Scarlett Johansson


And that's it.. i'm out of names and choices...


And THIS, Crook, proves my earlier point. It's people like this guy who put bulk into the poll above. People who are not film-literate, who have only seen a few mainstream films, and think they have the competency to judge a wide variety of actresses in a casting suggestion thread.

If, Dark Jaguar, you're out of names after giving the three most simplistically summoned casting suggestions, then you really do need to watch a few more films - that isn't a criticism, it's a really heartful plea. You're missing out on some of the greatest performances in cinema.


Might I suggest watching, as a start;
La Vie En Rose, Sherry Baby, Requiem for a Dream, Candy,

Firstly because they're great films, but also to adress some of the issues stated above.

[Crook]

Eh, you're gonna get misinformed supporters no matter what. I'm not ready to say that the majority of them make up the votes for Jolie and Beckinsale, though. Because at the very least I know my position (for Jolie that is), isn't based on shallow reasonings or lack of familiarity with Hollywood female talent. I'd like to think there are others with the same mindset.

[protoctista]

Well if we are regarding yourself and Dark Jaguar as a point for and against (respectively) there being an informed majority in those voting for the most popular choices (Angelina Jolie and Kate Beckinsale) I suppose neither of us are proven.

I will, of course, maintain that I am right.

[The Major]

Was she good enough for Timur Bekmambetov? ("Wanted")

Bekmambetov is a better director then Ratner. Night Watch was brilliant.

[Keyser Sushi]

She looks good in a dress in a still pic for sure, but when she moves it's like Michelle Rodriguez, there is a "I'd rather be in jeans" feeling IMO. I agree on the badass aspect, I just think there is a line between badass and butch.

Probably, but "butch" is not what comes to mind for me when I think of Rosario.

I didn't realize she had as varied a heritage as that so I can see the argument, I am not totally sold on her as an actress though, are you ?

I have to admit I've only seen her in Sin City and Clerks II. Considering the degree to which everybody overacts or acts kind of odd in Sin City... and the fact that so many of her scenes were with the lamentable Clive Owen... I doubt that this movie is a good judge of her acting abilities.

However, she was wonderful in Clerks II. She made you believe she was in love with Dante, didn't she? ACTING! BRILLIANT! :D

Their discussions in the office are the highlight of the movie. :D

And yet the whole movie was kind of great... I can't think of LOTR to this day without remembering Randal's "reenactment." :hehe:

[Hunter Rider]

Eh, you're gonna get misinformed supporters no matter what. I'm not ready to say that the majority of them make up the votes for Jolie and Beckinsale, though. Because at the very least I know my position (for Jolie that is), isn't based on shallow reasonings or lack of familiarity with Hollywood female talent. I'd like to think there are others with the same mindset.

I concur, I would consider myself pretty diverse in my film watching and I put votes down on those 2, not that I am against some of these other choices, as Ledger proved, you never know what lies within, I just really feel those 2 would be great in the role and great fits with Bale.
There will always be bandwagon jumpers on a board like this, the Superman section is a perfect example with some the choices that get huge support there.

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^ who's the first girl in the picture post ? Can't see a damn thing--no dark text!

[Melkay]

Becuase I prefer Marion. I still love jolie, but id rather have marion. Shes a lesser known actress nad while she doesnt look like the character as much as jolie, i still think she resembles the character and i would like to see her take on a role like this. Jolie is still on my list, but she has done similar roles and I would like to give someone else a chance. I do tihnk jolie is ''perfect'' in her own way though.

Plus, im not the only one woh thinks jolie looks more like the character but prefer marion.

I get you prefer Marin, I just wanted to see why. And here you provided some answers... you think that Jolie looks more like Selina*, but you also seem to favour other qualities like:
1. Being a lesser known actress.
2. At least resembling the character at some degree.
3. Being fresh on this type of character.

I don't know, but it seems to me you don't think Jolie is perfect at all. Which is fine with me, I just don't know why people brand her as perfect, when the most prominent trait is her looks. Why are exactly her looks so similar to Catwoman? I think are lips are too meaty and her forehead to wide, which can be attractive in her, it just doesn't scream Selina to me. Which are the traits similar to Catwoman? Their hotness? It's not rethoric or sarcasm, I really don't know why people see her so perfect looks-wise.

And WTF does it say I posted the junkie post when I didnt?

My bad, it's corrected now.

[batboy99]

Well, ive seen alot of pictures that resemble jolie. But every artist has a different style.

[Hunter Rider]

Probably, but "butch" is not what comes to mind for me when I think of Rosario.

When I say butch i mean butchish...it just looks horrible. :( Very much a tomboy should i say.



I have to admit I've only seen her in Sin City and Clerks II. Considering the degree to which everybody overacts or acts kind of odd in Sin City... and the fact that so many of her scenes were with the lamentable Clive Owen... I doubt that this movie is a good judge of her acting abilities.

However, she was wonderful in Clerks II. She made you believe she was in love with Dante, didn't she? ACTING! BRILLIANT! :D

:wow: Did I spy me some Clive Owen hate ?

Haha, true, but I saw her in 'A Guide to Recognizing your Saints' and I thought she was poor.



And yet the whole movie was kind of great... I can't think of LOTR to this day without remembering Randal's "reenactment." :hehe:

:lmao: I am still shocked that movie got away with an R rating given the whole end part.

[bunk]

I'm not feeling Marion Cotillard for the roll either. Good actress, looks the part, but nobody knows who she is. I'd prefer someone more recognizable to help build anticipation for the film. She also doesn't have the action movie experience like Jolie and Theron do.

[Crook]

I just don't know why people brand her as perfect, when the most prominent trait is her looks. Why are exactly her looks so similar to Catwoman? I think are lips are too meaty and her forehead to wide, which can be attractive in her, it just doesn't scream Selina to me. Which are the traits similar to Catwoman? Their hotness? It's not rethoric or sarcasm, I really don't know why people see her so perfect looks-wise.
The eyes. Very striking and seductive, which speaks volumes of Selina's character. There's really nothing much else you could describe as a "Selina trait".

Batman, looks-wise, only really needs an actor with piercing eyes and the ability to be grim-faced.

Everything else is really just a margin of error in translating the rest of the character's looks from the comic. In this case, a powerful and sexy looking lady.

[Crook]

I'm not feeling Marion Cotillard for the roll either. Good actress, looks the part, but nobody knows who she is. I'd prefer someone more recognizable to help build anticipation for the film.
Sequel to the most watched film of the decade, featuring one of the most popular female icons, isn't building anticipation? The actress has little to no effect on the established hype a Batman movie featuring Catwoman would already yield.

She also doesn't have the action movie experience like Jolie and Theron do.
She can learn. Just as Jolie and Theron did when they started their respective action roles.

[The Major]

I'm not feeling Marion Cotillard for the roll either. Good actress, looks the part, but nobody knows who she is. I'd prefer someone more recognizable to help build anticipation for the film. She also doesn't have the action movie experience like Jolie and Theron do.

Not being well known doesn't automatically mean she might not be good in the role.

If anything it helps her blend right in since the audience would see the character not the actress.

[batboy99]

I'm not feeling Marion Cotillard for the roll either. Good actress, looks the part, but nobody knows who she is. I'd prefer someone more recognizable to help build anticipation for the film. She also doesn't have the action movie experience like Jolie and Theron do.
Which is why shes good. And she also doesnt need the action experience to be good. I prefer it that way. That way we know we will see something new.

[bunk]

Sequel to the most watched film of the decade, featuring one of the most popular female icons, isn't building anticipation? The actress has little to no effect on the established hype a Batman movie featuring Catwoman would already yield.

I KNEW that would be the response ha ha! I beg to differ my friend. You can never have too much hype for a movie and people will support the actors they like. The Joker/Ledger was such a huge part of the hype surrounding the release of TDK, there will be a substantial vacuum to fill when a non-Joker/Ledger sequel comes out. Whatever can be done to create the same level of excitement needs to be taken consideration imho.

She can learn. Just as Jolie and Theron did when they started their respective action roles.

On the job training, got it. I just don't think Marion is that great of an actress to have these other considerations overridden.

[batboy99]

I KNEW that would be the response ha ha! I beg to differ my friend. You can never have too much hype for a movie and people will support the actors they like. The Joker/Ledger was such a huge part of the hype surrounding the release of TDK, there will be a substantial vacuum to fill when a non-Joker/Ledger sequel comes out. Whatever can be done to create the same level of excitement needs to be taken consideration imho.


On the job training, got it. I just don't think Marion is that great of an actress to have these other considerations overridden.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on there. Have you seen La Vie en Rose? Les Jolie choices? Love me if you dare? Shes an amazing actress.


And btw, shes gotta start somewhere with the action, why cant it be in a batman movie? Both jolie and Theron did their first action gigs in movies based on popular female characters. (I think tomb raider was one of jolies first action movies right?)

[Keyser Sushi]

When I say butch i mean butchish...it just looks horrible. :( Very much a tomboy should i say.

I guess I can live with that, since I totally have a thing for tomboys. :oldrazz:


:wow: Did I spy me some Clive Owen hate ?

Not hate, but... I don't think much of him, it's true. He seems to have zero charisma.

Haha, true, but I saw her in 'A Guide to Recognizing your Saints' and I thought she was poor.

Ah. Well, I've not seen that. I think what is required in this instance is a Rosario movie marathon where an honest assessment of her skills is taken. Especially given the fact that some directors get better performances from their actors (and evidence by the fact that someone like Natalie Portman could be excellent in Leon and so utterly lackluster in the SW prequels)

:lmao: I am still shocked that movie got away with an R rating given the whole end part.

Kev is good at getting away with things. ;)

[[A]]

If you wanna check Marillion's acting skills, check her french movies. Though you'd have to watch them subtitled and I know that's a big problem for people in the US

[protoctista]

I'm not feeling Marion Cotillard for the roll either. Good actress, looks the part, but nobody knows who she is. I'd prefer someone more recognizable to help build anticipation for the film (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=304644&page=149#). She also doesn't have the action movie experience like Jolie and Theron do.


Question (not an attack); do you know who she is? I mean, which of her films have you seen? If not, and if none, maybe that is why you're not feeling her for the role?


If you do know her, why do you think that the majority of mainstream cinema goers not knowing her would be a bad thing?

It would give Selina Kyle a real 'wow, where the hell has this come from' effect akin not to Heath Ledger, whom 'mainstreamdom' was acquainted with following roles in films like '10 things I hate about you' and 'Knight's Tale' - but to Aaron Eckhart. If you went into the cinema knowing who Aaron Eckhart was, then you weren't a mainstream cinema-goer because you would have had to; A) read up on the film quite obsessively or B) have seen some of his less than mainstream filmography.

For the majority of people, Marion Cotillard's performance would be the first of hers they'd have seen. So there would be no comparism. All her mannerisms and abilities as an actress would be Selina Kyle's. Her look would be Selina Kyle's. Her outstanding performance would be Selina Kyle's.



And with regards to generating excitement;

The sequel is already going to have excitement levels through the roof. Imagine, if you will, everyone knowing that they're going to have Catwoman in the next film. That's going to create a hell of a lot of intrigue because everyone knows Catwoman and will be, following The Dark Knight, interested to see how she is portrayed.

I always relate the effect of casting on a mainstream audience by the 'on the bus conversation' theory...

Two people are excitedly discussing the announced Dark Knight sequel. Someone says 'Catwoman's gonna be in it', which is responded to by interest because of the above. Then the question is, 'who's playing her?' - only to be met with a name they are not familiar with. Surely the big 'EH?' in the mainstream audience, coupled with the big excitement of there being Catwoman will create a great load of curiosity. That is a powerful kind of expectation in preparation for a film. Not being quite sure what you're going to get, but knowing enough (previous films being good) to be garunteed a brilliant experience.

Most people didn't know what they were going to get with Heath Ledger, some people won't even have known him all too well - but they knew he was playing the Joker and that word on the street was that his performance was awesome. That was the excitement; the curiosity. Not the name.





(For a young, desperately dedicated and comitted actress like Marion Cotillard, action movie experience is something she can pick up easily. She'd love it.)

[bunk]

If you wanna check Marillion's acting skills, check her french movies. Though you'd have to watch them subtitled and I know that's a big problem for people in the US

Which reminds me, how good is her American accent?

[protoctista]

Which reminds me, how good is her American accent?

Untested on my ears but it's not a problem because;

1) If she can undergo the Lepidoptera-like transformation required for 'La Vie En Rose', then she can pick up an American accent.
2) If she was told that her career rested upon it, that failing to acquire an American accent would lose her the biggest role of anyone's career (let alone a stellar leap for an indie actress like herself) then I don't doubt that she'd put 200% effort into doing so.
3) Even if she couldn't pull off the accent - how hot would a slightly French catwoman be? I mean, put aside any conservatism in consideration of her conventional portrayal... how HOT would that be? It'd add a whole new layer to the purr.


Also, having won an Best Actress oscar this year, she would have to have a seriously comatosed agent to not consider perfecting an American acccent. She's probably working on it now... Oh she is for 'Public Enemies'

[[A]]

Which reminds me, how good is her American accent?
Can't remember.. she was in The Big Fish but I didn't pay much attention :o

[batboy99]

We're unsure about the accent, but it has been reported that she had to pull one off for public enemies and that she did it very well, so its a waiting game for now.

[bunk]

Question (not an attack); do you know who she is? I mean, which of her films have you seen? If not, and if none, maybe that is why you're not feeling her for the role?

I've already said I think she was a good actress. Frankly, I don't usually bother discussing possible candidates if I don't respect their abilities.

If you do know her, why do you think that the majority of mainstream cinema goers not knowing her would be a bad thing?

I didn't say it would be a bad thing. I'm saying it would be a BETTER thing if she already had a fan base, in America anyway.

It would give Selina Kyle a real 'wow, where the hell has this come from' effect akin not to Heath Ledger, whom 'mainstreamdom' was acquainted with following roles in films like '10 things I hate about you' and 'Knight's Tale' - but to Aaron Eckhart. If you went into the cinema knowing who Aaron Eckhart was, then you weren't a mainstream cinema-goer because you would have had to; A) read up on the film quite obsessively or B) have seen some of his less than mainstream filmography.

I think that is the wrong approach. Just my personal opinion.

For the majority of people, Marion Cotillard's performance would be the first of hers they'd have seen. So there would be no comparism. All her mannerisms and abilities as an actress would be Selina Kyle's. Her look would be Selina Kyle's. Her outstanding performance would be Selina Kyle's.


That can certainly be a good thing. I don't think it's a better thing though.


And with regards to generating excitement;

The sequel is already going to have excitement levels through the roof. Imagine, if you will, everyone knowing that they're going to have Catwoman in the next film. That's going to create a hell of a lot of intrigue because everyone knows Catwoman and will be, following The Dark Knight, interested to see how she is portrayed.

And it will be more exciting if they know and love the person chosen.

I always relate the effect of casting on a mainstream audience by the 'on the bus conversation' theory...

Two people are excitedly discussing the announced Dark Knight sequel. Someone says 'Catwoman's gonna be in it', which is responded to by interest because of the above. Then the question is, 'who's playing her?' - only to be met with a name they are not familiar with. Surely the big 'EH?' in the mainstream audience, coupled with the big excitement of there being a catwoman will create a great load of curiosity. That is a powerful kind of expectation in preparation for a film. Not being quite sure what you're going to get.


Yeah... I don't know if that's the effect you want.

Most people didn't know what they were going to get with Heath Ledger, some people won't even have known him all too well - but they knew he was playing the Joker and that word on the street was that his performance was awesome. That was the excitement; the curiosity. Not the name.


Above you say the effect will not be similar to that of Heath as Joker, only to describe the effect of Heath as Joker as being the desired result. :huh:


For a young, desperately dedicated and comitted actress like Marion Cotillard, action movie experience is something she can pick up easily. She'd love it.

If you say so, I don't know her personally. Not everybody wants to do these things.

[bunk]

We're unsure about the accent, but it has been reported that she had to pull one off for public enemies and that she did it very well, so its a waiting game for now.

Ah, ok. I don't know much about that movie, only that it's probably going to rock pretty hard. Maybe Bale will put in a word for her.

[batboy99]

Lets hope

[Crook]

I had thought about that, but something tells me he doesn't have much to say. Depp and Bale only have one or two scenes together, and Marion's role is associated with Depp. So I don't even know if they've acted together.

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[cerealkiller182]

Michelle Monaghan
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[kid dropper]

sold

[bunk]

She's so great.

[Hunter Rider]

Michelle Monaghan
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8346/michellecatyz8.jpg

Awesome presentation. :up: I'd be very happy with Michelle in the role.

[Lobo]

I'm on board :up:

[[A]]

A 5 minute collage can change the world :woot:

[Melkay]

The eyes. Very striking and seductive, which speaks volumes of Selina's character. There's really nothing much else you could describe as a "Selina trait".

Batman, looks-wise, only really needs an actor with piercing eyes and the ability to be grim-faced.

Everything else is really just a margin of error in translating the rest of the character's looks from the comic. In this case, a powerful and sexy looking lady.

Well, yes, Angelina's eyes are really alluring, confident and seductive. Those eyes do scream Catwoman to me. Marion's eyes are also very gorgeous.

[jmc]

I had thought about that, but something tells me he doesn't have much to say. Depp and Bale only have one or two scenes together, and Marion's role is associated with Depp. So I don't even know if they've acted together.

Cotillard and Bale do have at least one scene together in that film, it was reported somewhere.

[flickchick85]

Cotillard and Bale do have at least one scene together in that film, it was reported somewhere.
Yep, if they stuck the version of the script that I read, they do have one very short scene together. But it's a significant one for both their characters, imo.

And as far as star status goes, remember that Cotillard has fairly major roles in two of the most buzzed-about American films of next year - not just Public Enemies, but Rob Marshall's star-studded musical Nine as well. I mean, I'm already calling that one as a 2010 Oscar front-runner, based on its awards pedigree (of the stars, director, AND the source material) alone. So by the time the buzz for Batman 3 movie kicks into high gear, a lot more people are gonna know who she is. Her Oscar win just lit the fuse on her Hollywood career, and we can pretty much bank on it blasting off in a major way very soon.

Oh, and I do think Michelle Monaghan would be a good choice, too.

[Laderlappen]

Why does it matter that the actress playing Catwoman is well known? I mean at all. None of the actors in the first 2 movies were well known to other than big movie fans. Marion fits that group perfectly. Again why does it even matter? You who posted this said you DID know who she was so why does it matter?

[Ace of Knaves]

Why does it matter that the actress playing Catwoman is well known? I mean at all. None of the actors in the first 2 movies were well known to other than big movie fans. Marion fits that group perfectly. Again why does it even matter? You who posted this said you DID know who she was so why does it matter?


Errrr.........what? :huh:

So only big movie fans know who Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman and Christian Bale are?

In the words of Dr Evil "Riiiiiiiiight"

Oh but I do like your choice for Black Mask, Brolin would rock in that role IMO. :D

[Laderlappen]

Big or semi-big. People who has an interest in movies except for mainstreem stuff like Hancock or Saw V. Atleast where I come from.

[Ace of Knaves]

I see, well I suppose it's different for me in Britain, everyone knows who Caine, Oldman and Bale are.

[Brian Braddock]

Ace, c'mon, it's not a British thing.

Michael Caine is a bonafide cinematic icon, Bale was Patrick Bateman for god's sake (who hasnt heard of American Psycho?) and Gary Oldman is, well, Gary Oldman (need I say any more?)

Laderlappen, I'd say their world-wide profile was a tad higher than just being known to 'semi or big' movie fans.

[ThePoisonPuppet]

Again you don't get much bigger then Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Aaron Eckhart, Morgan Freeman, or Heath Ledger either....I would say the "smaller to midsized roles" are still ones even the slightly above average movie buff knows...Anthony Michael Hall, Eric Roberts, Cillian Murphy etc...

I would actually be worried Marion Cotillard's name wouldn't stand up against the other actors. Especially if they hire a really big name as another villain....Though they might have too to create anticipation since Mr. Ledger.

[hatebox]

I'm still expecting Nolan to pick a 'big name' but one no-one guessed. Given his track record with casting that's the scenario I'd hope for most at least.

[jmc]

Again you don't get much bigger then Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Aaron Eckhart, Morgan Freeman, or Heath Ledger either....I would say the "smaller to midsized roles" are the ones even the slightly above average movie buff knows...Anthony Michael Hall, Eric Roberts, Cillian Murphy etc...

I would actually be worried Marion Cotillard's name wouldn't stand up against the other actors. Especially if they hire a really big name as another villain....Though they might have too to create anticipation since Mr. Ledger.

Really after the success that was TDK, you could hire some 20 something year old straight from acting school to play Catwoman and people would still turn up in droves, a third Batman film featuring Nolan and Bale is almost a licence to print money. Cotillard's name might stand up against others on a global scale, but her acting would, and that's all that matters.

[ThePoisonPuppet]

Really after the success that was TDK, you could hire some 20 something year old straight from acting school to play Catwoman and people would still turn up in droves, a third Batman film featuring Nolan and Bale is almost a licence to print money. Cotillard's name might stand up against others on a global scale, but her acting would, and that's all that matters.

I am not doubting people would still see the movie, but I can image the "Marion Who"?! in the press and amongst of fans before the movie came out. Not that thats a bad thing necessarily, it would be nice to see her doubters proven wrong, but WB would still be taking risk casting her when someone like Jolie makes it a sure bet as a mega hit. (Not that I am advocating for her, I am just saying...). I suppose if Nolan has complete creative control, even for casting, it should be fine.

[Laderlappen]

Ace, c'mon, it's not a British thing.

Michael Caine is a bonafide cinematic icon, Bale was Patrick Bateman for god's sake (who hasnt heard of American Psycho?) and Gary Oldman is, well, Gary Oldman (need I say any more?)

Laderlappen, I'd say their world-wide profile was a tad higher than just being known to 'semi or big' movie fans.If I'd mask several of my friends who Gary Oldman, or Michael Caine is they would nt know how to answer. What mainstreem movies have they made lately except for the Batman movies? Caine did the Austin Powers movie a few years ago. Oldman did a few harry Potter films. Both small roles, too small for many people to care. Bale has done 0 mainstreem films before the Batman movies. American Psycho made 15 million $. Its not a big movie exactly. Probably the biggest reason he was snubbed at the oscars.

Point is these are big actors, but none of them are big stars. Why does Catwoman need to have a big star?


And I dont agree with Jolie making it a sure hit. She's box-office poison.

[Hunter Rider]

No she isn't, she has had 4 $130M + Summer blockbusters, 2 in the last 3 years, and Colombia have just re-written another big movie to change the lead from male to female so she can star. The only blockbuster she headlined that failed was the second Tomb Raider.

I don't think for a minute Catwoman needs to be played by a big name but making stuff up is a weak defense.

[Laderlappen]

Alot of films she has starred in has floped.

[Two-Face]

..who's that in your avvy?

Lucy Pinder...


Alot of films she has starred in has floped.

I don't think Wanted flopped. Have you seen Changeling yet?

[Brian Braddock]

If I'd mask several of my friends who Gary Oldman, or Michael Caine is they would nt know how to answer. What mainstreem movies have they made lately except for the Batman movies? Caine did the Austin Powers movie a few years ago. Oldman did a few harry Potter films. Both small roles, too small for many people to care. Bale has done 0 mainstreem films before the Batman movies. American Psycho made 15 million $. Its not a big movie exactly. Probably the biggest reason he was snubbed at the oscars.

Point is these are big actors, but none of them are big stars. Why does Catwoman need to have a big star?


And I dont agree with Jolie making it a sure hit. She's box-office poison.

So, an actor has to be below a certain age or just young enough so that you or your friends have heard of them in order to qualify as being a big star?

Makes me wonder just how old you and your friends actually are.

[Laderlappen]

Obviously not all her films flopped. I heard Changeling is doing great, but I dont know if it is a flop.

[Hunter Rider]

Alot of films she has starred in has floped.

If they did Studios would not be paying her huge money and re-writing scripts for her, the bottom line is she is one of the few female draws in the industry. Her movies must always make profit on at least DVD for that to be the case.

[Laderlappen]

So, an actor has to be below a certain age or just young enough so that you or your friends have heard of them in order to qualify as being a big star?

Makes me wonder just how old you and your friends actually are.I know who they are. I dont know if you're guys are older, but where I live, if you are young and has no interest in movies, you dont know who Michael Caine or Gary Oldman is. If you really think every young person has seen Sleuth or JFK, then you're wrong.

And its kinda common knowledge to know that Michael Caine or Gary Oldman aren't big a-list stars.

[Laderlappen]

If they did Studios would not be paying her huge money and re-writing scripts for her, the bottom line is she is one of the few female draws in the industry. Her movies must always make profit on at least DVD for that to be the case.I know, its pretty strange.

[Ace of Knaves]

If I'd mask several of my friends who Gary Oldman, or Michael Caine is they would nt know how to answer. What mainstreem movies have they made lately except for the Batman movies? Caine did the Austin Powers movie a few years ago. Oldman did a few harry Potter films. Both small roles, too small for many people to care. Bale has done 0 mainstreem films before the Batman movies. American Psycho made 15 million $. Its not a big movie exactly. Probably the biggest reason he was snubbed at the oscars.

Point is these are big actors, but none of them are big stars. Why does Catwoman need to have a big star?


And I dont agree with Jolie making it a sure hit. She's box-office poison.

Where are you and your friends from then?

Gary Oldman only known for them piece of **** Harry Potter films? He was fricking Dracula!!! He was also a scenery chomper in Leon and The Fith Element. If you don't know who Caine and Oldman are then you must be living in caves. Scratch that, I bet the Taliban living in the caves of Afghanistan know who they are!! :D

[Ace of Knaves]

I know who they are. I dont know if you're guys are older, but where I live, if you are young and has no interest in movies, you dont know who Michael Caine or Gary Oldman is. If you really think every young person has seen Sleuth or JFK, then you're wrong.

And its kinda common knowledge to know that Michael Caine or Gary Oldman aren't big a-list stars.


:wow::wow: That is the most insane statement i have ever seen!! Michael Caine and Gary Oldman put the "A" in A-List.

[Hunter Rider]

I know, its pretty strange.

It's not strange, her movies are usually hits, even if they need to go to DVD to make a profit, that is a huge part of the business these days, her last 2 Summer blockbuster made huge money, she is probably the biggest female draw in film right now.

[Laderlappen]

Like I said, I know who Gary Oldman is.

If Gary Oldman and Michael Caine are big stars, then Marion Cotillard is as well.