The New Catwoman Casting Thread [Archive] - Page 17

regwec

11-18-2008, 02:41 PM

Prove me wrong.

Your reason for assuming that she isn't is that her skin is half a shade deeper than Holly's, and that she was described as "dark". I have answered that with alternative reasoning.

Again, why would Miller, charged with writing an early backstory for a major, established character, choose to inexplicably change a significant aspect of that character?

It occurs to me, also, that the fact he described her as "dark" explains her more tanned colouring, whilst eliminating the possibility of her being black or mixed race. For instance, no one other than Silvio Berlusconi would describe Obama as "dark".

PrincessBoss

11-18-2008, 03:23 PM

Laderlappen

11-18-2008, 03:29 PM

She could be Vanessa Williams black. I've said this before.

kid dropper

11-18-2008, 03:56 PM

Vanessa Williams black meaning what? bi-racial? light skinned? well spoken? what the **** does that mean?

Ace of Knaves

11-18-2008, 04:02 PM

Vanessa Williams black meaning what? bi-racial? light skinned? well spoken? what the **** does that mean?

I think he means "caramel"

batboy99

11-18-2008, 04:06 PM

Well to be fair, we dont know if Selina in Y1 is or isnt white or black. Until Miller says anything, ill just say shes both.

Laderlappen

11-18-2008, 04:38 PM

Being very light skinned.

regwec

11-18-2008, 06:21 PM

And white.

regwec

11-18-2008, 06:26 PM

I don't need to prove you wrong. It's there in the book and many, many, many, many other readers have seen the same thing as me. It's not a myth.

Also, Selina was black in the Batman: Year One script that Frank Miller himself wrote. It's not wholly explicit in the script itself, but you can find the scene in which a crooked cop refers to her as "dark meat" here:

http://leonscripts.users5.50megs.com/scripts/BATMANYEARONEscript.htm

...but i suppose you're going to argue that a prostitute referred to as "dark meat" might just mean she has a nice tan, right?
You certainly do need to prove your point if you want to persuade anyone of it. You have declared, without a qualifying statement, that Selina was "certainly not caucasian". I see very little to support that. Your prior statements did nothing but emphasise the subjectivity of the issue, and the re-hash above leads us back to the point that she was "dark". It is notable, however, that not everything in the script is in the book. Do you not think that it may be significant that some of these lines were removed?

PrincessBoss

11-18-2008, 06:48 PM

You certainly do need to prove your point if you want to persuade anyone of it. You have declared, without a qualifying statement, that Selina was "certainly not caucasian". I see very little to support that. Your prior statements did nothing but emphasise the subjectivity of the issue, and the re-hash above leads us back to the point that she was "dark". It is notable, however, that not everything in the script is in the book. Do you not think that it may be significant that some of these lines were removed?

Sorry, perhaps i wasn't clear - this is the script that he wrote for the unfilmed movie, and my point was that Miller's intention was always to have Catwoman as a non-caucasian, and the movie version would have allowed him the freedom to reinterpret the character's ethnicity that DC would not, which resulted in the aforementioned ambiguity in the comic book.

And i don't think that i need to prove anything because it seems glaringly obvious to me that Selina isn't of white origin anytime i read the book. If they had intended her to be of pure WASP stock, surely they wouldn't have left any room for interpretation?

Why are you so against her being non-white anyway?

Crook

11-18-2008, 06:56 PM

Someone post up the pages from the book, then. Last time we did this, Selina was most obviously the same skin tone as every other caucasian right next to her in the same panel. This issue for whatever reason keeps popping up.

bunk

11-18-2008, 07:32 PM

What are the chances Nolan has Selina as a black woman? Seriously, I don't even see the relevance to this franchise.

kid dropper

11-18-2008, 08:16 PM

look i dont know how anyone can interpret what david mazuchelli drew as a black woman, mybe she could be like a quarter or an eighth black i dont know, her dark hair and looks make her look italian if anything, but by that logic so does mazuchelli's bruce wayne. there are conventional caucasians with darker features, such as your "black irish" . halle berry was black yes, eartha kitt was black without doubt, but year one selina is not black the fact that this is being discussed at legnth is pretty damn silly.

regwec

11-19-2008, 03:46 AM

And i don't think that i need to prove anything because it seems glaringly obvious to me that Selina isn't of white origin anytime i read the book. If they had intended her to be of pure WASP stock, surely they wouldn't have left any room for interpretation?

Okay, to me and many others, it seems equally as glaringly obvious that she is white. Her skin, in the book, is pink. About the same colour as Bruce Wayne's. I don't think there is an argument that he is supposed to be black. She certainly isn't the same hue as Skeevers, who is black, and she is an awful lot paler in complexion than the blonde with whom Wayne is sitting when Jim Gordon visits him. If she is intended to be black or mixed race, why hasn't she been drawn and inked as such?

Why are you so against her being non-white anyway?
I'm not, and I want to make that clear. I am just arguing the fact that I don't think she is, and I don't understand why others do. I wouldn't mind if Sarah Essen was Indian, but I see equally as little to support the idea in the book.

Darknightnomis

11-19-2008, 09:00 AM

I always thought she was Italian being Falcone daughter and all.

And some Italians chicks look black. The ones with dark hair and real olive color skin complextion.

Which goes back to my dhoice for Catwoman: Ashley Scott (althogh she isn't Italian).

http://www.nndb.com/people/735/000115390/ashley-scott-1-sized.jpg

cerealkiller182

11-19-2008, 11:06 AM

And some Italians chicks look black. The ones with dark hair and real olive color skin complextion.

Scilians. ( I love True Romance)

Ace of Knaves

11-19-2008, 11:09 AM

Scilians. ( I love True Romance)

Yea that Dennis Hopper Chris Walken encounter is EPIC.

Lobo

11-19-2008, 12:37 PM

I know her age is starting to show a bit, but she's beautiful, and extremely talented. Carla Gugino is still my top choice, with second being Michelle Monghan

http://i37.tinypic.com/zjz8gp.jpg

Two-Face

11-19-2008, 12:42 PM

I know her age is starting to show a bit, but she's beautiful, and extremely talented. Carla Gugino is still my top choice, with second being Michelle Monghan

http://i37.tinypic.com/zjz8gp.jpg

That's ****ing great! :up:

Ace of Knaves

11-19-2008, 12:45 PM

Yea Carla Gugino is a good actress and sexy as hell.

Two-Face

11-19-2008, 12:52 PM

Love the boobs :up: :heart:

Ace of Knaves

11-19-2008, 12:58 PM

Yummy! (. )( .) :oldrazz:

Lobo

11-19-2008, 01:13 PM

Just found this on deviantart, think it wold make an excellent movie costume

http://i37.tinypic.com/ay9flc.jpg

regwec

11-19-2008, 01:20 PM

It looks alright, but I would argue that it is unnecessarily fussy, given that Catwoman's costume does not have to be bullet or stab proof. The design above looks like a way of explaining Catwoman's costume through parts of Batman's suit from TDK. I don't think Catwoman's costume needs to be rationalised in that way. It's just a costume.

Ace of Knaves

11-19-2008, 01:22 PM

Yea it does look pretty cool. But where the hell is she gonna get that from? Is Fox secretly making female nomex battle suits? :D

regwec

11-19-2008, 01:25 PM

Quite.

Lobo

11-19-2008, 01:30 PM

Maybe she stole a prototype from Wayne Enterprises and made some adjustments? I wouldn't mind it explained that way, as her costume should provide her with some protection.

regwec

11-19-2008, 01:38 PM

Why should her costume be bulletproof? How many catburglars wear kevlar, or whatever Lucius Fox wants to call it?

Two-Face

11-19-2008, 01:45 PM

Just found this on deviantart, think it wold make an excellent movie costume

http://i37.tinypic.com/ay9flc.jpg

Yeah I could see this in Batman 3.

jmc

11-19-2008, 02:05 PM

I love that design, the guy's a great artist, but it's too militaristic, it's something more akin to GI Joe, it doesn't really make sense for her to be so armoured, her clothing should have functionality and justification, but within the context of what she does.

kid dropper

11-19-2008, 02:11 PM

agreed. more vinyl, less armour plates. i dont really see her scoring black market military tech. batman's got all those resources. id like his villains to keep a more homemade vibe in this series

Lobo

11-19-2008, 03:48 PM

Why should her costume be bulletproof? How many catburglars wear kevlar, or whatever Lucius Fox wants to call it?

for arguments sake? Maybe she needs it for added protection as she steals from places with armed night guards?

cerealkiller182

11-19-2008, 03:50 PM

And hypothetically, she is a thief. It could be less technical/legit looking but still have the same functions that are implied with fairly state of the art gear.

Ace of Knaves

11-19-2008, 03:51 PM

for arguments sake? Maybe she needs it for added protection as she steals from places with armed night guards?

Yea she would be stealing high profile things, I'm sure they would have armed guards or whatever.

But it still looks too similer to Batmans suit to me, as you said maybe she could steal it from WayneEnterprises but why would they have a female one just sitting around anyway?

protoctista

11-19-2008, 03:52 PM

I'd prefer her to have 'just' a costume. There is not sense for her to start off with a 'tech' suit, and where would she acquire it from? Wayne Enterprises would not produce a female suit, and for one to just so happen to be there and steal-able would be contrived.

Keep her in a make-shift costume. I like the idea of her being vulnerable to weapons like knives and guns. Batman is the warrior; Catwoman is just out to have some fun and steal **** along the way.

jmc

11-19-2008, 03:54 PM

agreed. more vinyl, less armour plates. i dont really see her scoring black market military tech. batman's got all those resources. id like his villains to keep a more homemade vibe in this series

Vinyl? Vinyl's way too shiny, a thief is not going to wear materials that runs the risk of her being detected. Neoprene is the way to go, matte surface, light weight, more flexible.

Two-Face

11-19-2008, 04:31 PM

regwec

11-19-2008, 04:42 PM

for arguments sake? Maybe she needs it for added protection as she steals from places with armed night guards?

Sure, but she is a poor catburglar if she puts herself in a position where people are shooting at her. Batman attacks armed mobs with his bare hands- Catwoman should never do that. Would we actually want to see Catwoman get gunned down by a security guard, and then get up and run away? I wouldn't. I would think that devalues her attributes of stealth and speed and risktaking, if few consequences follow her being detected and shot.

The Major

11-19-2008, 11:34 PM

Sure, but she is a poor catburglar if she puts herself in a position where people are shooting at her.
She'd be a poor cat burglar not to protect herself from any scenario.

Getting shot is a very real risk in her profession.

Crook

11-19-2008, 11:53 PM

She'd be a poor cat burglar not to protect herself from any scenario.

Getting shot is a very real risk in her profession.
No it isn't. :huh:

Cat burglars are professionals who deal with stealth. They are in no need of such protection because it is their sole job to not even be detected, let alone confronted.

It's the basic mechanics of combat. The more likely you are to be on the battlefield and damage, the more armor you need.

CaptainClown

11-19-2008, 11:55 PM

if you are a good enough burglar you don't need protection.

jmc

11-20-2008, 12:16 AM

She'd be a poor cat burglar not to protect herself from any scenario.

Getting shot is a very real risk in her profession.

I saw a documentary once about burglars were they interviewed a couple of former grifters, basically what it boiled down to was they needed to be quick and as light on their feet as possible, they were never armed to the teeth nor had protection because they didn't need to be, they had the nessecary tools for the job and that was it. The whole point of committing a heist is to not get caught, anyone going in with weaponry or armour expecting a shoot out is obviously not a very good burglar.

The Major

11-20-2008, 05:38 AM

Crook and jmc:

You're right. I'll concede.

flickchick85

11-20-2008, 09:09 AM

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 09:11 AM

I agree on the suit, but I might add that goggles DO make sense for her profession, if they're equipped with night-vision and/or infrared capabilities. And yes, I'd also prefer it as a stronger disguise. We buy that Batman doesn't need goggles b/c he uses black make-up around his eyes, and I know I can't be the only one who doesn't want Catwoman to go that route. So goggles seem like the most logical solution to me. Plus, the night-vision/infrared would give her more of an advantage over him.

Plus cats are known for their perfect vision at night, the night vision goggles could be another little cat gimmick for her.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 09:18 AM

I am pro-goggles.

I love the Darwin Cook design for Catwoman that they've been using in the books. I'd advocate something like that.

The Major

11-20-2008, 09:20 AM

I am pro-goggles.

I love the Darwin Cook design for Catwoman that they've been using in the books. I'd advocate something like that.

Same here.

Keyser Soze

11-20-2008, 09:36 AM

if you are a good enough burglar you don't need protection.

"Protection? I don't need protection!"

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

protoctista

11-20-2008, 09:51 AM

I can see her acquiring advanced night vision goggles - she could even steal them from an armed guard who she knocks unconscious - but to acquire a full military suit designed for a woman... is too contrived.

I'd like to see her develop her own suit.

Dark Knight

11-20-2008, 01:35 PM

Just found this on deviantart, think it wold make an excellent movie costume

http://i37.tinypic.com/ay9flc.jpg

This is exactly how the her costume design should look if she is in the 3rd Bat film. This is an ideal concept! Well done! :up:

Dark Knight

11-20-2008, 01:37 PM

Yea that Dennis Hopper Chris Walken encounter is EPIC.

Classic!

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 01:38 PM

Is this True Romance we're talking about?

That movie depresses me :csad:

jmc

11-20-2008, 01:47 PM

I agree on the suit, but I might add that goggles DO make sense for her profession, if they're equipped with night-vision and/or infrared capabilities. And yes, I'd also prefer it as a stronger disguise. We buy that Batman doesn't need goggles b/c he uses black make-up around his eyes, and I know I can't be the only one who doesn't want Catwoman to go that route. So goggles seem like the most logical solution to me. Plus, the night-vision/infrared would give her more of an advantage over him.

I got no problem with Catwoman using some sort of night vision eye wear as a tool, but wearing them all the time to help hide her identity could end up looking ridiculous. The mask should be good enough to hide her without the addition of accessories, if that mean having to use the black make up around the eyes, so be it.

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 01:48 PM

Is this True Romance we're talking about?

That movie depresses me :csad:

Depresses you? Why? It's a classic.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 01:50 PM

Depresses you? Why? It's a classic.
It could have been soooo much better if QT directed. :csad:

The beautifulness of characters like Drexl was lost somewhere in Tony Scott's ADD. :csad:

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 01:53 PM

It could have been soooo much better if QT directed. :csad:

The beautifulness of characters like Drexl was lost somewhere in Tony Scott's ADD. :csad:

Yea I agree with you on that, Drexl should of been in it longer. He was da maaaan!!

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 01:54 PM

That said Hopper/Walken was great.

Though I'd love to see it with the intended Robert Forster in Walken's part.

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 01:56 PM

That said Hopper/Walken was great.

Though I'd love to see it with the intended Robert Forster in Walken's part.

I didn't know that. Would of been pretty interesting, but Walken is also da maaan!! You ever seen King of New York? That's a proper gangster film.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 01:58 PM

I have not . I should.

It's good to see Forster being a total badass on heroes now.

I hope they don't kill him or something :csad:

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 02:00 PM

I have not . I should.

It's good to see Forster being a total badass on heroes now.

I hope they don't kill him or something :csad:

You definitely should man, it's got early appearances from Larry Fishbourne and Wesley Snipes. Bad ass film.

I haven't seen the new series of Heroes yet. I'll have to get round to it.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:02 PM

Ooooh.

Season 2 :down < Season 1 :up: < Season 3 :up::up:

regwec

11-20-2008, 02:04 PM

Less spam, more obsessing over implausibly physically perfect women in skin tight leather.

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 02:06 PM

Less spam, more obsessing over implausibly physically perfect women in skin tight leather.

Good idea. I'm starting to like Michelle Monaghan for the role, she's a good actress and oozes sex appeal. I think she also has the right look for Selina.

Dark Knight

11-20-2008, 02:09 PM

Yea I agree with you on that, Drexl should of been in it longer. He was da maaaan!!

Yeah Oldman stole the scenes he was in and he should have had more scenes dammit! Drexl was a bad a$$! Would have been great to see him in the film more!

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:09 PM

I still haven't found a perfect Selina. I feel like everyone is either too in-your-face-sexy-look-at-my-sexy-pout-and-cleavage or not enough.

kid dropper

11-20-2008, 02:09 PM

yeh monaghan's the clear logical choice, that collage that guy made a little while ago convinced me. I'll go to washington and lobby on her behalf, if need be.

regwec

11-20-2008, 02:15 PM

Since Chris Nolan is a British subject, it might be worth writing to the Queen, and petitioning the House of Commons, as well.

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 02:19 PM

Since Chris Nolan is a British subject, it might be worth writing to the Queen, and petitioning the House of Commons, as well.

*Awaits a fool to only just realize Chris Nolan is British*

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:21 PM

Chris Nolan is BRITISH!?

****, I am chris nolan

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2008, 02:23 PM

Chris Nolan is BRITISH!?

****, I am chris nolan

LOLZ. :woot: "Your crazy, I like you but, your crazy"

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:25 PM

My butt is not crazy

WeaponXProject

11-20-2008, 02:28 PM

I think look wise it is Rhona Mitra but can she act it...idk. Not enough of a resume to tell.

I'll have to wait and see Underworld 3 first but I doubt that will show anything either.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:29 PM

She's got plenty of resume.

Just none with an american accent.

The Guard

11-20-2008, 02:35 PM

She's clearly Italian in the current comics. I don't think she'd wear nearly that much armor. Half of what Selina loves about her nightlife is the danger of it. That design is kinda cool, but it's basically a female version of the Wayne Enterprises bodysuit. Methinks she's a little more creative than that.

Ronny Shade

11-20-2008, 02:37 PM

yay. This has been a Guard sum-up pwning.

regwec

11-20-2008, 02:59 PM

I think Catwoman is clearly Senegalise in the current comics, and Year One. You can tell if you look at that one panel where she turns the light off. Her skin looks kind of a darker pink.

Saint

11-22-2008, 04:51 AM

Just found this on deviantart, think it wold make an excellent movie costume

http://i37.tinypic.com/ay9flc.jpg

It look good, but it seems inappropriate for Catwoman. She's a thief; she avoids confrontation and doesn't have much use for a pile of armour plating. Her protection should be on the more minimal side of things.

bunk

11-22-2008, 06:38 AM

She does definitely need pockets on the back of her hands though... wtf?

Brian Braddock

11-22-2008, 07:20 AM

I think Catwoman is clearly Senegalise in the current comics, and Year One. You can tell if you look at that one panel where she turns the light off. Her skin looks kind of a darker pink.

Personally, I disagree - she doesnt look like she's west African to me.

protoctista

11-22-2008, 07:32 AM

The inability of some people to notice clearly evident sarcasm never ceases to amaze me.

Hunter Rider

11-22-2008, 07:34 AM

Just found this on deviantart, think it wold make an excellent movie costume

http://i37.tinypic.com/ay9flc.jpg

Clearly designed off the current Batsuit IMO, I could dig it as the look for the movie. :up: Maybe they could do a scene where she steals the blueprints from Wayne Enterprises.

Brian Braddock

11-22-2008, 07:48 AM

The inability of some people to notice clearly evident sarcasm never ceases to amaze me.

As does the inability of some people to recognise that in printed word, sarcasm can occasionally be lost in translation.

Hence why there have been numerous misunderstandings on these boards over the years and numerous calls for some sort of 'sarcasm' smilie as an indicator of sarcasm as a result.

But please, by all means, try and continue to be a wise-a$$

:whatever:

regwec

11-22-2008, 08:18 AM

To be fair, the sarcasm there was absolutely dripping. Never mind, though.

Why would Waynetech manufacture a nomex battle armour with huge bra cups sewn in?

Women police officers, in my country at least, wear the same, flat body armour as their male counterparts.

Ronny Shade

11-22-2008, 01:11 PM

That sarcasm dripped all over my new sweater.

Lobo

11-22-2008, 01:28 PM

Brian Braddock

11-22-2008, 01:29 PM

Aw, shame Ronny.

In that case, you can use the box of tissues I left for you over in the 'Kenneth Branagh in talks to direct Thor' thread to wipe the sarcasm off.

Ace of Knaves

11-22-2008, 01:31 PM

As does the inability of some people to recognise that in printed word, sarcasm can occasionally be lost in translation.

Hence why there have been numerous misunderstandings on these boards over the years and numerous calls for some sort of 'sarcasm' smilie as an indicator of sarcasm as a result.

But please, by all means, try and continue to be a wise-a$$

:whatever:

Yea man, don't take this the wrong way cause I think you're a righteous dude, but my sarcasm detector was completely off the charts there! :D

protoctista

11-22-2008, 01:33 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/AlexClarke/Starfighter/sarcasm_detector.jpg

Brian Braddock

11-22-2008, 01:36 PM

Hey, what can I say?

I came into the thread late and didnt read anything prior to Regwec's post - considering the stuff we read on here, I thought he was being serious.

My own detector must have been faulty.

Colour me embarrassed.

:facepalm

Ronny Shade

11-22-2008, 07:13 PM

Aw, shame Ronny.

In that case, you can use the box of tissues I left for you over in the 'Kenneth Branagh in talks to direct Thor' thread to wipe the sarcasm off.
You might need them to wipe the egg off your face :oldrazz:

elgato

11-22-2008, 07:16 PM

How bout this (my) design?
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/Gotham_Girls_Catwoman_00.jpg

or this one (jmc's manip, edited a bit by me)
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/catwoman_colaboration_jmc_00_Gato_C.jpg

Ronny Shade

11-22-2008, 07:16 PM

NOT ENOUGH CLEAVAGE :cmad:

Hunter Rider

11-22-2008, 07:33 PM

Maybe she steals the design, and either her or someone she's working with/for modifies the suit to her.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.

Melkay

11-22-2008, 11:05 PM

Can somebody, please, make a manip with the googles? The pros and cons have been discussed here but it seems that they're not so popular among the manip artists here.

bunk

11-22-2008, 11:27 PM

Can somebody, please, make a manip with the googles? The pros and cons have been discussed here but it seems that they're not so popular among the manip artists here.

My version has the goggles. I think it'll be a while before I can finish it though.

jmc

11-23-2008, 01:39 AM

Can somebody, please, make a manip with the googles? The pros and cons have been discussed here but it seems that they're not so popular among the manip artists here.

I can't speak on behalf of others but from my experience goggles just don't adapt well, to me anyway, they end up looking just weird.

Keyser Soze

11-23-2008, 08:59 AM

To be fair, the sarcasm there was absolutely dripping. Never mind, though.

Why would Waynetech manufacture a nomex battle armour with huge bra cups sewn in?

That would make one hell of an "I need a new costume" scene between Christian Bale and Morgan Freeman in the third film.

elgato

11-23-2008, 11:28 AM

Can somebody, please, make a manip with the googles? The pros and cons have been discussed here but it seems that they're not so popular among the manip artists here.

Old manip, just added the goggles, made my best try

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/goggledcatwoman00.jpg

Crook

11-23-2008, 11:32 AM

I'm lovin' that suit. :up:

Melkay

11-23-2008, 11:36 AM

Old manip, just added the goggles, made my best try

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/goggledcatwoman00.jpg

Thank you for the effort.
Is it too hard to make google that don't reveal the eyes behind them? I know it may be a bit difficult but perhaps they may resemble the comic google more. She doesn't have to wear them all the time.

Keep up the good work.

regwec

11-23-2008, 11:39 AM

Please cut the spam about search engines.

elgato

11-23-2008, 12:16 PM

I'm lovin' that suit. :up:

Thanks! :)

regwec

11-23-2008, 12:20 PM

It is very good, elgato. Forgot to say so.

elgato

11-23-2008, 12:26 PM

Thanks regwec :)

Two-Face

11-23-2008, 12:49 PM

batboy99

11-23-2008, 04:07 PM

Finally! After almost a year of trying to decide what to do with this manip, im finally done.

I dont like the idea as much as my original idea(which was to have her in a bank with laser cencors surrounding a bank vault) but i still love this one.

Anyways, this is Marion Cotillard as Catwoman. This was actually the first manip i did of Marion as Catwoman. I went back recently and changed the costume a bit. I gave her a different belt, fixed the ears and i got rid of the padding on her breasts that she has in my older manips.

Im definetly happy with this and this is EXACTLY how I want her to look, maybe a few more pouches here and there, but thats it.

I may add more to it one day.

BIG thank you to JMC for the grain effect and a MAJOR thank you to Gato-Chico for the background and the ledge, without him, this manip would never be finished

http://batboy99.deviantart.com/art/The-Cat-Watching-Over-Gotham-104424146

protoctista

11-23-2008, 06:50 PM

JMC's is still my favourite in terms of the suit and the mask (and that cat-ornament looks wicked) If that was the exact design used in the next film, I'd be over the moon. If I had to criticise, I would say her right arm (the left as we look) holding the whip, looks somewhat proportionately too long? maybe I'm wrong though.

Elgato's looks pretty cool too, but I'm slightly confused as to the elf buckles... and think the hoop under her chin is slightly too large. Very minor gripes though, it looks awesome. Also, in the pic with the background, I swear she's holding an elite sportsman's bow (as in bow and arrow). I've checked, and I'm certain. :P

batboy99

11-23-2008, 06:57 PM

As much as i love JMC's, the mask covers too much of her face. I dont think she should have black makeup around her eyes either.
As for Elgato's, Catwoman has the buckles on her boots in the comics.

Do you like mine?

protoctista

11-23-2008, 07:03 PM

Sorry yeah I meant to mention that one too.

I really like it. The mask/face ratio is cool, and the eyes are defined, sexy and distinctly part of the alter-ego without being covered up. I'd like to see a little more detail of the suit to be honest, the contrast is so strong that she's nearly a sillhouette - it's not a complaint actually, it looks awesome, and is a natural lighting condition for that poster.

He pose is cool too - and the claws look wicked. I've been pondering over claws, and decided, upon seeing your manip, that she has to have claws. However, the crouching over position gives an odd distortion to the midriff region which is normal with regards to perspective I think, but looks a bit funny on a 2D image (especially in near sillhouette). It has an odd, short, wide-hipped look like granny pants.

Sorry, it's a harsh way of saying a minor criticism... lol

batboy99

11-23-2008, 07:07 PM

Lol i understand, i thought the same think, its just that the top part of her body is kind of crouched a bit forward(which isnt very noticable at all though)

And i like the darkness. There isnt much detail on the suit anyways really. Its a pretty simple suit

protoctista

11-23-2008, 07:10 PM

Yeah I wasn't asking you to change them, I'm just a bit of a prick when it comes to criticism. I can't just say, I like.

batboy99

11-23-2008, 07:12 PM

Lol no, no i agree completely. Im trying to fix it now.

I think since ive been working on it for so long that i got used to it, so it wasnt a big deal for me anymore

batboy99

11-23-2008, 07:56 PM

Fixed it, i think it looks better
http://batboy99.deviantart.com/art/The-Cat-Watching-Over-Gotham-104424146

Crook

11-23-2008, 08:18 PM

I figured out what looks so weird. Selina has granny tits. :o

DaRkVeNgeanCe

11-23-2008, 08:51 PM

Megan Fox=Bad acting, overly fake tan, and overrated haha.

Brian Braddock

11-24-2008, 06:10 AM

You might need them to wipe the egg off your face :oldrazz:

Touche.

I f***ing hate egg as well.

:cmad:

[A]

11-24-2008, 06:14 AM

Megan Fox=Bad acting, overly fake tan, and overrated haha.

Agreed, agreed.. and agreed! :woot:

Brian Braddock

11-24-2008, 06:15 AM

I still would though.

The Major

11-24-2008, 10:28 AM

Old manip, just added the goggles, made my best try

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/goggledcatwoman00.jpg

Excellent, elgato. :woot:

Two-Face

11-24-2008, 11:49 AM

Ace of Knaves

11-24-2008, 11:50 AM

Yea elgato that is sweeeet:up:

Two-Face

11-24-2008, 11:56 AM

I didn't make this but this is good:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/catwoman-2.jpg

regwec

11-24-2008, 03:31 PM

Angelina, I presume?

Two-Face

11-24-2008, 03:34 PM

Yep: :heart:

batboy99

11-24-2008, 04:16 PM

I figured out what looks so weird. Selina has granny tits. :o
thanks for that...

batboy99

11-24-2008, 04:52 PM

Better??
http://batboy99.deviantart.com/art/The-Cat-Watching-Over-Gotham-104424146

mrbrownie

11-25-2008, 04:20 AM

Better??
http://batboy99.deviantart.com/art/The-Cat-Watching-Over-Gotham-104424146

I really think the problem about your manip, it's that... it doesn't even look like a photo manipulation in the sense that, it looks like all the costume was made with black colored brush tool, the texture doesn't really show. And the pose feels really awkward, makes her look pudgy, I know it's perception, but still.

I have read your post, and let me tell you, it's really freaking hard to get comments on DA even if you post the next Mona Lisa, there's a chance nobody will pay attention to it, or even know it exists. I recommend you start putting comments on other people's works so they notice you and say 'Oh let's check out this dude's gallery..Wow! Nice..' or something of the same nature. Most people who DO notice you, just favorites you up, and that's it.

batdude

11-28-2008, 11:43 PM

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 05:45 AM

Ace of Knaves

11-29-2008, 06:00 AM

You know, I think Eliza would be great as Catwoman, and might even get a shot at it. I mean he really does make unexpected casting choices. (I never would have picked Ledger, but that really worked out.) Angelina would have been great four or five years ago, but now? I'm sorry, but who knows? the woman's body changes constantly.

Man how many times has this gotta be said, Nolan didn't pick Ledger because he was "out of the blue" or "leftfield". He picked him because they both sat down and discussed their ideas for Joker, their ideas were the same so there you go, the rest is history. Ledger said that he had an idea for how Joker would be portrayed in Nolans world so they met up. Needless to say Nolan had the same ideas. Simple as that. Him being an unusual choice had nothing to do with it.

[A]

11-29-2008, 06:04 AM

Like Ledger made a career showing a cleavage :whatever: :funny:

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 06:30 AM

Man how many times has this gotta be said, Nolan didn't pick Ledger because he was "out of the blue" or "leftfield". He picked him because they both sat down and discussed their ideas for Joker, their ideas were the same so there you go, the rest is history. Ledger said that he had an idea for how Joker would be portrayed in Nolans world so they met up. Needless to say Nolan had the same ideas. Simple as that. Him being an unusual choice had nothing to do with it.And because of his recent incredible acting work. Especially the one in Brokeback. Which I dont know about you guys, but I consider it to be one of the best of all time.

batboy99

11-29-2008, 11:17 AM

Eliza isnt anywhere NEAR Heath's level.

And yes, this is coming from me, a HUGE Eliza fan.

Shes not right for the movies.

Brian Braddock

11-29-2008, 11:35 AM

I'd still like to see Kate Beckinsale as Selina - pretty much nothing can change my mind on this. I admit I'm biased because I'm a big fan of hers but no other actress suggestions have jumped out at me the way the idea of Beckinsale has.

An actress of her caliber just seems to fit in with such esteemed company as the cast and crew of Nolan's Batman films.

Plus she and Cristian have already headlined a film together; namely Laurel Canyon.

Crook

11-29-2008, 11:41 AM

An actress of her....caliber? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Confused/004.gif

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 11:53 AM

What caliber are you refering to?

Brian Braddock

11-29-2008, 01:44 PM

Acting caliber;

What else?

You might think different, but I happen to think she's a good actress.

flickchick85

11-29-2008, 02:08 PM

I think she's a good actress, too. But I'd prefer Catwoman to be played by a great actress. :oldrazz:

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 02:15 PM

Acting caliber;

What else?Things that make you go 'swing'?
Honestly she's nowhere near the same leauge as Bale, Ledger, Olman, Caine, Eckhart, Gyllenhaal, Freeman, Neeson, Murphy, Wilkinson, or Watanabe. She's not terrible, but not really great either. She's far from being one of the best working.

jmc

11-29-2008, 03:03 PM

Beckinsale is just ordinary, her caliber is about 20 times less than anyone in TDK.

elgato

11-29-2008, 03:07 PM

specially compared with someone like Marion Cotillard or Rachel Weisz,tho i still think she could pull it off

mrbrownie

11-29-2008, 06:53 PM

Rachel Weisz? Marion Cotillard? PFFFFFFF no no... MAYOR PFFFFF!

The real Catwoman should be CATMADONNA:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8145/catmadonnaqi4.png
She's hot, she's blonde, she's old, and she speaks in a faux-english accent. What more do you need? Huh? HUH!?

Crook

11-29-2008, 06:55 PM

A vagina that doesn't emit dust particles.

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 07:24 PM

If Cate Blanchett was a few years younger, I think she could have been a great choice. She is probably the most underrated beauty in hollywood.

jmc

11-29-2008, 07:29 PM

If Cate Blanchett was a few years younger, I think she could have been a great choice. She is probably the most underrated beauty in hollywood.

She doesn't do enough 'pretty girl' roles, hence the underrating. Had this Nolan series been made 5 years earlier absolutely she would have been a great choice. Still, she may be nudging 40 but she looks fantastic.

protoctista

11-29-2008, 08:03 PM

She's beautiful, yes. But she's hardly the kind of woman you want to ravage like an animal.
That's what Catwoman should be.

Ergo, Cate Blanchett = no.

kid dropper

11-29-2008, 08:13 PM

true enough. i cannot express in words my admiration for cate blanchett's work as an actress,(i am watching talented mr ripley as we speak, her ditzy american heiress is flawless) and she does have a certain statuesque, ethereal, classical beauty, but truth be told, she is no wank material.

Laderlappen

11-29-2008, 08:14 PM

Well she doesnt have a very 'wild' look. She has a very classy and sweet look. If she tried to, I think she could be really wild and sexy and Selina-y. But like I said - a few years ago.

batboy99

11-29-2008, 08:37 PM

Lucid

11-29-2008, 11:01 PM

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jmc

11-29-2008, 11:03 PM

Quick show of hands those who have seen Blanchett play the seductive action chick.

Crook

11-29-2008, 11:16 PM

And another show of hands on who wants to see it, if they haven't.

flickchick85

11-30-2008, 12:22 AM

First of all, Cate Blanchett is probably my favorite actress working today. She's utterly amazing. And as far as acting the part, I have zero doubt she could play it perfectly. BUT I just don't see her being a good match for Bale. Like Kate Winslet, she seems older than she is to me - the difference being that she is 39, not 33 like Winslet. So she seems too...matronly(?) for Bale to me. Don't get me wrong, she's definitely beautiful, but as others have said, maybe 5 years ago.

But for the record, I don't think having played a "seductive action chick" in the past should be a requirement for this role. In fact, I think I'd prefer to see someone who hasn't.

RachelDawes

11-30-2008, 01:02 AM

She can still be good, especially if she looks like this
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_02.jpg

Shes 39, she's not THAT old, and she doesnt look old either, i could still she her working.

If i didnt know any better, i'd think she would be around 35 or so.

Is that really Cate Blanchett? That's a superb picture, but it hardly looks like her. Anyway, she may be a great actress, but Selina needs to be played by someone who's drop-dead gorgeous. Cate falls more into the unconventionally pretty category.

Laderlappen

11-30-2008, 04:44 AM

Anybody can play 'seductive action chick'. It doesnt really require any acting.

I do think Cate looks drop-dead gorgeous. She looks really beautiful in Benjamin Button.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7529/cateblanchett2ex0.jpg
Standing next to Brad Pitt dont you think 'he can do better'. Not to me.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8257/bbqf2.jpg
Poster.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2569/cateblanchett16bo5.jpg

protoctista

11-30-2008, 06:49 AM

she does have a certain statuesque, ethereal, classical beauty, but truth be told, she is no wank material.

That sums it up for me.

Mercurius

11-30-2008, 07:06 AM

Quick show of hands those who have seen Blanchett play the seductive action chick.

That kind of thing would lead us to a boring typecasting.

Playing "seductive action chick" could be really inovative and interesting exactly for an actress that has never played it. :cwink:

And for Blanchett it obviously wouldn't be hard.

elgato

11-30-2008, 09:35 AM

She can still be good, especially if she looks like this
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_02.jpg

Shes 39, she's not THAT old, and she doesnt look old either, i could still she her working.

If i didnt know any better, i'd think she would be around 35 or so.

She looks definately beautiful in that pic, but, I just think Selina must be not just really beautiful, but also seductive and have an agresive look on her eyes and facial expresions, and I think Cate can't do that, at least not as many other actresses can.

Sentinel X

11-30-2008, 10:28 AM

Is that really Cate Blanchett? That's a superb picture, but it hardly looks like her. Anyway, she may be a great actress, but Selina needs to be played by someone who's drop-dead gorgeous. Cate falls more into the unconventionally pretty category.Cate Blanchette is one of those women who I think doesn't know how to dress herself well. Have you seen Notes on a Scandal?...She is like REALLY REALLY hot in that movie, I didn't even think that was Cate Blanchette. If she has a good stylist for the movie she can look really good.
I still wouldn't want her for Catwoman though. I wouldn't be crushed if she was though because shes a gifted actress :up:

Laderlappen

11-30-2008, 11:16 AM

Selina must be not just really beautiful, but also seductive and have an agresive look on her eyes and facial expresions, and I think Cate can't do that, at least not as many other actresses can.Cate can do agressive. I dont think anybody should doubt that. Anger is one of the key emotions and ANY actor or actress should be able to act it. Cate Blanchett is the greatest actress in the world. Its easy for her. On top of my head there is a scene in Notes on a Scandal where she's mad as f'ck. Having said that, Im not sure if Selina should go around looking angry. Seductive however takes more than just being able to act(personally I think she can do it).

batboy99

11-30-2008, 11:34 AM

Cate can play ANY role to a T, thats how awesome she is.

cerealkiller182

11-30-2008, 12:46 PM

Because Cate is talented and sexy, she could do it, but I wonder if she'd be awesome. When people go for the biggest name/talent possible I always have full confidence that they can DO the role, but will they be AWESOME. The Perlman as Hellboy situation.

Ive always seen Blanchett more as Medusa as The Inhumans (sadly that movie is far from getting made)

Hunter Rider

11-30-2008, 12:48 PM

Personally I think Cate is better suited to Poison Ivy.

Ace of Knaves

11-30-2008, 12:50 PM

I think Cate is a brilliant actress, but I think she is maybe too regal and sophisticated looking for Selina. I want my Selina to be edgy and "street" looking. A girl that you could actually imagen having a tear up on the tiles or something. Cate just doesn't seem like she could pull that off IMO.

RachelDawes

11-30-2008, 01:06 PM

Cate Blanchette is one of those women who I think doesn't know how to dress herself well. Have you seen Notes on a Scandal?...She is like REALLY REALLY hot in that movie, I didn't even think that was Cate Blanchette. If she has a good stylist for the movie she can look really good.
I still wouldn't want her for Catwoman though. I wouldn't be crushed if she was though because shes a gifted actress :up:

No, I haven't seen Notes so I'll have to take your word for it. Cate has never struck me as being gorgeous exactly but I'm not a man and I don't know what you guys think is attractive. I agree totally with your last paragraph, though. I'd take her if she really was best for the job.

Crook

11-30-2008, 01:13 PM

Blanchett is too old and doesn't fit any of the famous rogue females in any way...so it's all a bit moot.

Lobo

11-30-2008, 01:15 PM

I'm still stuck on ym choice of Gugino

batboy99

11-30-2008, 01:26 PM

Personally I think Cate is better suited to Poison Ivy.
Now this is a role that I dont see her looks working for at all. To me, Ivy is one of the sexiest characters in comics, sexier than catwoman,WW etc. She needs to be played by someone very sexy, this is a role where i cant see Cate fitting in to.

Eddie Dean

11-30-2008, 04:53 PM

Here we go again...

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3208/catcopyrw5.jpg
Michelle Monaghan, Charlize Theron, Rachel Weisz, Emily Blunt, Eva Green

batboy99

11-30-2008, 05:11 PM

I still think Weisz and Green work better for Talia.
Blunt works better for Ivy.

cerealkiller182

11-30-2008, 05:16 PM

agreed

Lucid

11-30-2008, 05:19 PM

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Drizzle

11-30-2008, 05:38 PM

Here we go again...

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3208/catcopyrw5.jpg

Michelle Monaghan, Charlize Theron, Rachel Weisz, Emily Blunt, Eva Green

I'd be happy with any of those choices for Selina.

jmc

11-30-2008, 06:07 PM

Are you kidding me? I'm not sure if I'd personally cast Blanchett as Catwoman, but let's just get one thing clear. Cate Blanchett can play anything. Who here would have made her your first choice to play Bob Dylan? Yet in a movie where 6 actors played the role, she stood out like fireworks in the night sky. Just as most of us didn't see The Joker inside of Heath Ledger, Blanchett is similarly deceiving. She may not appear to naturally fit a role, but she can transform and come to embody anyone. I'd say it like this: Cate Blanchett is the only actor in the world capable of delivering as much of a tour-de-force performance as Ledger did as The Joker.

Amen to that.

Crook

11-30-2008, 06:29 PM

As I've said before, she may act the part, but looking it is a different story.

Doctor Jones

11-30-2008, 06:32 PM

Good God. So many choices. I don't know, possibly Marion Cotillard who whoever her name is is starting to convince me.

And God, who would want Rhona Mitra as Catwoman?

protoctista

11-30-2008, 06:36 PM

I'd say it like this: Cate Blanchett is the only actor in the world capable of delivering as much of a tour-de-force performance as Ledger did as The Joker.

Never heard such trash in my life.

Daniel Day Lewis, Meryl Streep, Mickey Rourke, Ellen Burstyn, Marion Cotillard, Ralph Fiennes, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Dustin Hoffman, Julie Christie, Diane Keaton, Kristin Scott Thomas, Emma Thompson, Michelle Pfieffer.

All of them as talented as Heath Ledger, all of them having delivered performances that equal and better his performance of the Joker.

Few of them suit the franchise, but then, neither does Blanchett...

Laderlappen

11-30-2008, 06:42 PM

Never heard such trash in my life.

Daniel Day Lewis, Meryl Streep, Mickey Rourke, Ellen Burstyn, Marion Cotillard, Ralph Fiennes, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Dustin Hoffman, Julie Christie, Diane Keaton, Kristin Scott Thomas, Emma Thompson, Michelle Pfieffer.

All of them as talented as Heath Ledger, all of them having delivered performances that equal and better his performance of the Joker.

Few of them suit the franchise, but then, neither does Blanchett...So has Heath Ledger.
You've seen 'The Wrestler' btw?

protoctista

11-30-2008, 06:47 PM

^ Yes an industry friend of mine gave me his ticket to see it at the London film festival. His performance is phenomenal, and the film is brilliant. I reccomend strongly.

kid dropper

11-30-2008, 07:14 PM

good for aranofsky. i was one of the few(among my friends and contemporaries at least) backing The Fountain.

flickchick85

11-30-2008, 07:59 PM

I'm loving the pro-Blanchett sentiment, but I have to agree that she is NOT the only person capable of delivering a Ledger-caliber performance. She's my favorite actress as I've said (well, probably tied with Meryl Streep), but there are other great actresses out there. Protoctista already listed several, so I don't need to repeat him, but one of them is even better suited for Catwoman than Blanchett as well. And that would be Cotillard, of course.

Anyone out there who's actually familiar with her work that disagrees? And no, photos don't count. ;)

OT: Good to hear about The Wrestler. I really can't wait to see that one.

Lucid

12-01-2008, 02:55 AM

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protoctista

12-01-2008, 03:55 AM

You clearly dont watch enough films then.

Firstly I think those hyperbolic quotes attributed to Brando are bull. It's simply an exaggerated way for critics to say they found his performance exciting to watch - he's certainly theatrical in his performances, but surely all acting is a 'heightened riff on reality'? Actors portray characters for entertainment. If we were to watch ordinary mannerisms, it would be boring.

Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood gives the greatest performance by any actor that I have ever seen, and by that I include the large bulk of Brando's (and Blanchett's) work. If that doesn't combine soaring theatricality in the real, I don't know what does - nothing that Cate Blanchett has ever done compares.

Count Laszlo de Almásy, portrayed by Ralph Fiennes in The English Patient is, by all accounts, a frivolous character. He is at once both conceited, arrogant and anti-social/aloof, as well as enormously romantic and tender, as well as utterly intellectual and totally naive. He goes through more emotions in 2 hours than most men go through in their lifetime. Ralph Fiennes's performance perfectly nails all these qualities in a performance that is utterly believable (as well as, might I add, heartbreaking)

Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice, actually, scratch that, everything she's ever done.

I won't labour over the rest, as, really, I think this point speaks for itself.

kid dropper

12-01-2008, 05:01 AM

Blanchett's great, watching her and Judi Dench tear up the screen together in Notes on a Scandal(soapy as it is) is priceless.

Two-Face

12-01-2008, 05:17 AM

I saw Changeling at the weekend this movie bought best of Jolie. If you can't still say she can't act then I say you lost your marbles....

It would be cruel least not to consider Jolie for the role.

Laderlappen

12-01-2008, 05:46 AM

jmc

12-01-2008, 06:07 AM

I gotta disagree with you Lucid. I think there is alot of great performances that has been made lately. Some of my fav: Heath in Brokeback(he's better in this I think), Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood, Casey Affleck in Jesse James, Leo DiCaprio in The Aviator & The Departed, Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine, Charlize Theron in Monster, & Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose. Some better, some equal, some almost as good.

Add Blood Diamond to, hasn't old mate DiCaprio turned out a fantastic actor, I use to give that guy heaps of crap when I was younger (I'm betting I'm not the only one) coz all the girls at school were drooling over him, needless to say I've since changed my tune.

Lucid

12-01-2008, 01:52 PM

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Ace of Knaves

12-01-2008, 02:05 PM

^ Yes an industry friend of mine gave me his ticket to see it at the London film festival. His performance is phenomenal, and the film is brilliant. I reccomend strongly.

Yea I've heard he is brilliant in that. His performance in Sin City was one of the best i've seen in any film.

No. You're wrong. All of those actors that you listed, while being wonderful actors, don't deliver the same style of performances as Cate Blanchett. Blanchett has a soaring theatricality to her performances while still being rooted in reality. Marlon Brando ventured into the same territory. With him, I've heard it called a "heightened riff on reality" and "divine mannerism" and Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. All the other actors on your list give grounded, traditionally "realistic" performances, which can be quite captivating also, but what audiences responded to with Heath Ledger's performance as The Joker was his bombastic theatricality while still being completely believable in everything he did. That's a wickedly tough thing to pull off. Theatrical and real simultaneously. That's what I was referring to with my quoted statement (I will say, Daniel Day-Lewis is the only actor on your list who even dabbles in such areas, but I've never seen him accomplish it completely the way that Ledger, Blanchett and Brando have. So I suppose, to be fair, I'd have to say that Day-Lewis is capable of giving such a performance, he just hasn't done it yet, but he can't play Catwoman, so he's out :)).

By the way, don't get me wrong, my statements here are not taking anything away from any of the actors on your list. Many of them are favorites of mine. I don't think any of them are poor, I just believe Cate Blanchett to be that good. She rises above them all. What I see from Cate Blanchett is more innovative and points to more exciting possibilities than what anyone is doing right now. If she continues on the path that she's currently on and constantly challenges herself and remains innovative, she may go down in history as an equal actor to Brando. There aren't many actors who can claim that accomplishment, if any.

I do agree that Cate Blanchett is a brilliant actress, one my of my favourites. But I personally couldn't picture her or believe her as Selina Kyle. Cate would just seem to elegant and regal for me. Catwoman, for me has gotta be more, I dunno, street looking.

protoctista

12-01-2008, 02:32 PM

Well you and I just have to disagree then. I thought Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood, while trying for the type of performance I described, ended up being monotonous and one-dimensional.
Sometimes feelings cannot adequately be descrbied in words. My response is thus delivered to you in a chronilogical pictoral interpretation
:eek:
:huh:
:o
:down
:whatever:

Monotonous? How on earth could you describe his performance as monotonous? HOW?

As for One-Dimensional.... absolute rubbish.
- Demonic determination
- Smarmy charisma
- Ruthlessly detached business mind
- A complete void of compassion
- Compassion (yes, it is there - even if cast aside)
- Fear for his own soul
- Guilt
- Anger
- Power
- Complete degradation

Compare his relationship with his bastard son (at the beginning) with his relationship with Eli Sunday. And then how those relationships change as he changes.

Compare the man that warmly proposed sharing his ambitions with his lost half-brother by the beach with the man that brutally beats a helpless non-rival to death with a bowling pin.

He is not a likeable character, but multiple elements are present within his character.

This matter extends beyond subjectivity. It's a matter of truth and justice.

Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan is better
Wrong. Blanchett achieved an impersonation and layered it with moments of self doubt - her performance is far closer to monotony than Day-Lewis's

and Heath Ledger's Joker is head and shoulders superior.
Rubbish. Heath Ledger's Joker is an enormously entertaining pantomime villain. Day-Lewis's Daniel Plainview is a ruthless, horrifying demon-inside-a-man that is all the more resonating for being believably sympathetic as well as outrageously repulsive.

Not to mention the performance that is probably the greatest of all time, Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire.
:huh:

But this is all subjective, I suppose, according to personal tastes. I thought Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood was one-dimensional, you thought it was astonishing. At least we can agree on appreciating great performances in general. Happy movie-watching

I guess we'll never agree. But I am confounded by your opinion.

flickchick85

12-01-2008, 02:51 PM

Why has this suddenly become the "Tear Great Actors Down to Build Other Great Actors Up" thread?

Daniel Day-Lewis and Cate Blanchett are two of the greatest actors who ever lived. Can't we just settle on that? But DDL would make a troubling Catwoman. So points to Blanchett for the purpose of this thread.

(although, I must admit it is nice to have the conversation in here focused on real actors for a change...:oldrazz:)

Lucid

12-01-2008, 06:26 PM

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Paste Pot Pete

12-01-2008, 08:02 PM

I could support Cate as Catwoman. :up: My previous pick has been Rosario Dawson, who I think has the looks and the spunk and is a pretty good actress, but she's not in Cate's league. Cate's...vibe, aura, whatever it is, seems to fit this series better than Rosario.

And seriously? Is there DDL-doggin' going on here? I'll drink to his Daniel Plainview being possibly the best recorded performance in history. TWBB would have been a total drag without him, but he (and to a lesser extent, Paul Dano) single-handedly turned it into one of the all-time greats.

batdude

12-01-2008, 08:08 PM

The trouble with Blanchett I think is that a lot of people will remember her lousy performance in the last Indiana Jones movie.

batdude

12-01-2008, 08:08 PM

The trouble with Blanchett I think is that a lot of people will remember her lousy performance in the last Indiana Jones movie.

RachelDawes

12-01-2008, 08:14 PM

The trouble with Blanchett I think is that a lot of people will remember her lousy performance in the last Indiana Jones movie.

I don't know about that. Aside from its "nuke the fridge" legacy, I don't believe most people will even remember it in three years' time. It got swallowed up this summer by IM and TDK. Besides, major actors star in mediocre-to-average films all the time and it doesn't kill their careers. Cate Blanchett is known for being a great actress. If she isn't selected for Catwoman, KOTCS won't be the reason why.

Paste Pot Pete

12-01-2008, 08:15 PM

The trouble with Blanchett I think is that a lot of people will remember her lousy performance in the last Indiana Jones movie.

Doubtful (regardless of my opinion that it wasn't lousy). She'll always be better remembered for her more prestigous work - I'm Not There, Elizabeth, soon Benjamin Button.

Hell, she'd probably have another one or two Oscar nods before a third Batfilm comes out.

batboy99

12-01-2008, 08:43 PM

Bull, its not even one of her bigger roles, plus im sure people wont hold it against her ,she wasnt even that bad in it anyways.

flickchick85

12-01-2008, 09:45 PM

I haven't seen anyone throw blame at Blanchett for Indy IV. She played exactly the role she was hired for to a "T." That movie had bigger problems.

jmc

12-01-2008, 10:20 PM

Doubtful (regardless of my opinion that it wasn't lousy). She'll always be better remembered for her more prestigous work - I'm Not There, Elizabeth, soon Benjamin Button.

Hell, she'd probably have another one or two Oscar nods before a third Batfilm comes out.

Just one or two? Cate's almost got a reserved seat every year at the Oscars for both lead and supporting actress. :woot:

batdude

12-02-2008, 01:38 AM

I honestly don't think a lot of people are going to care if the actress playing Catwoman has won an oscar or not.

Paste Pot Pete

12-02-2008, 02:58 AM

I honestly don't think a lot of people are going to care if the actress playing Catwoman has won an oscar or not.

They'll care a lot more about that than her 3 years prior having a role in an Indiana Jones movie that most of the public liked anyway.

batboy99

12-02-2008, 02:29 PM

I honestly don't think a lot of people are going to care if the actress playing Catwoman has won an oscar or not.no, but its a good thing.

Laderlappen

12-02-2008, 02:35 PM

I honestly don't think a lot of people are going to care if the actress playing Catwoman has won an oscar or not.:huh: Ok? Has anybody said they are or something?

batboy99

12-02-2008, 05:49 PM

Ya know, after all this talk, i've fallen for the idea of Cate as Selina. Sure, shes 39, sure she isn't the hottest thing around, but the woman is so amazing at what she does. Shes such a great actress that it makes up for the downfalls, plus I find her sexy.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/harpersuk07_001.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/harpersuk07_002.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/harpersuk07_003.jpg
She's tied with Marion for me now. She's definetly a left field choice, but again, shes so amazing, I can't give her up.

[A]

12-02-2008, 05:51 PM

^ I don't have these! And I'm a fan of Cate! :o :O *right-click, saves pics*

batboy99

12-02-2008, 05:57 PM

I got hi res ones if you want....

Im currently trying to manipulate the Harper Bazaar title off of Cate.

[A]

12-02-2008, 05:58 PM

thanks batboy99 :up: but I already headed to my celeb pics source :woot:

batboy99

12-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Which is.....?

Do they have them there?

Laderlappen

12-02-2008, 07:32 PM

RachelDawes

12-02-2008, 08:31 PM

Cate's not my first choice (that's Marion), but I'd take her if she could be made to look like that Bazaar cover or the picture batboy99 posted a couple of pages back.

batboy99

12-02-2008, 08:42 PM

How gorgeous is she! Some say 'shes not the best looking girl' but to be honest, I find her in the same league as Jolie or Beckinsale. Just different.
Im not sure if shes in that league, but she is gorgeous.

As for the Bazaar pics, they arent very old(i think a little less than a year old) so you know she can look like that.

CaptainClown

12-02-2008, 08:50 PM

Cate certainly has her moments of wow she is hot, but imo not enough. I could see her in the movie though and be fine with that.

batboy99

12-02-2008, 08:54 PM

Cate isnt really someone who relys on her looks ,IMO. That what i think is awesome about her, shes beautiful in her own way and doesnt flaunt it like other actresses.

Crook

12-02-2008, 09:29 PM

Cate isnt really someone who relys on her looks ,IMO. That what i think is awesome about her, shes beautiful in her own way and doesnt flaunt it like other actresses.
That's my problem. This is the same exact argument people were making for Maggie, albeit it applies less to Cate.

There shouldn't even be a debate of whether Selina is beautiful and sexy. It has to be immediately apparent for the majority of the viewers, from the very beginning. It's nice that there are some here that can see Cate for her beauty, but the truth of the matter is there are way more people that would think otherwise. When it comes to this role, at least.

hegele

12-02-2008, 09:31 PM

I have no problem at all with Cate. I think she is one of our great leading ladies in cinema today.

That being said i still back Marie-Josée Croze

http://olivier.quenechdu.free.fr/spip/IMG/jpg/mariejosee-croze_4.jpg

Shes talented as hell, and was recently wonderful in The Diving Bell and the Butterfly and Tell No One.

az824

12-04-2008, 04:44 PM

im i the only one who finds cate unattractive in the last 2 pics?

kid dropper

12-04-2008, 04:56 PM

its the nose, shes got a sharp angular , refined chiseld face, that just doesnt jive with soft, bulbous nose

batboy99

12-04-2008, 05:16 PM

im i the only one who finds cate unattractive in the last 2 pics?
You find alot of people unattractive dont you?

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:08 PM

Catwoman needs to ooze sexuality and Blanchett just doesn't do it.

Catwoman is a sex symbol - she is not "beautiful", she is not "gorgeous", she is sexy and I don't think even the most die hard of Blanchett fans would describe her as the latter.

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:09 PM

im i the only one who finds cate unattractive in the last 2 pics?

Not at all.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:09 PM

That's my problem. This is the same exact argument people were making for Maggie, albeit it applies less to Cate.

There shouldn't even be a debate of whether Selina is beautiful and sexy. It has to be immediately apparent for the majority of the viewers, from the very beginning. It's nice that there are some here that can see Cate for her beauty, but the truth of the matter is there are way more people that would think otherwise. When it comes to this role, at least.
Well, i think Cate looks fine for the role. Shes not the first person you think of, but she would do fine for me.

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:10 PM

Well, i think Cate looks fine for the role. Shes not the first person you think of, but she would do fine for me.
But you have to concede that you WOULD be in the minority in that belief.

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:13 PM

My ideal choice is still Natalie Portman

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/u_pertz17/NATALIE%20PORTMAN/natalie_portman.jpg

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:15 PM

Shes not sexy either IMO. Shes pretty, or cute, but not sexy.

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:17 PM

Natalie Portman can PLAY sexy, however - and she has.

She is a great actor, has name recognition, she is beautiful and sexy - a perfect fit for Selina.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:18 PM

But you have to concede that you WOULD be in the minority in that belief.
I know that, but I still stand by it. Shes an amazing actress, i tihkn shes good looking, so i dont see her being a horrible choice.

I still think Marion is the best choice, especially looks wise.

And im sure Cate can PLAY sexy as well. Yeah, Portman is a good actress, but Cate's better. And Cate has name recognition as well.

She could work, but shes too cute for Selina imo. She just has a very youthful look to her.

Crook

12-04-2008, 06:18 PM

I still say Portman has to age at least another 6 or so years before she's even capable to look the part. And I'm not just talking about her face. :o

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:20 PM

I know that, but I still stand by it. Shes an amazing actress, i tihkn shes good looking, so i dont see her being a horrible choice.

I still think Marion is the best choice, especially looks wise.

Good looking is not enough. Blanchett is at best gorgeous (not sexy) and at worst manly.

cerealkiller182

12-04-2008, 06:22 PM

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:25 PM

Portman is an amazing actress, probably the best young actress, but as good as Blanchett? I dont think so, that woman is just.....beyond words when it comes to acting.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:29 PM

Good looking is not enough. Blanchett is at best gorgeous (not sexy) and at worst manly.
I cant even say that Portman is gorgeous or sexy, shes cute.

Blanchett can be masculine at times, but not manly(exept for in Im Not Here, but that just shows you how versatile she is)

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:31 PM

I agree with batboy

If you are going to dismiss Blanchet for being gorgeous not sexy just to suggest Portman who is certainly cute not sexy.

I think Portman is as good an actress as Blanchet (and vice versa) and either one can PLAY sexy yet neither is my favorite for the role.

Comparing Portman to Blachet in beauty is a bit ridiculous.

Portman is cute - but Portman is also sexy, or at least can play sexy. She has played a stripper for crying out loud!

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/Dannyboy_1111/natalie_portman-2.jpg

This photo is "sexy" not cute.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/wouldyouhit/NataliePortman/Natalie_Portman_013.jpg

This photo is sexy not cute.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/jorgemora4/natalie.jpg

This photo is sexy, not cute.

The only photo of Blanchet I have seen that makes her look at all "sexy" is the magazine cover in the last page - one that is HEAVILY worked on.

Portman is an amazing actress, probably the best young actress, but as good as Blanchett? I dont think so, that woman is just.....beyond words when it comes to acting.

If I am casting a character that is sexy, seductive and fierce - I would take Portman over Blanchett every day of the week.

If I am casting the Queen of England or Bob Dylan - give me Blanchett.

StorminNorman

12-04-2008, 06:32 PM

Would anyone pay to watch Cate Blanchett strip?

The answer is hell no.

People should WANT to see Catwoman naked.

cerealkiller182

12-04-2008, 06:34 PM

do u think any of the sexy Portman shots havnt been worked on? You're kidding yourself

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:34 PM

They're also photoshopped.... :p
And she still looks too young there.

And ya big deal she played a stripper. Strippers dont necessarily mean sexy.

And as for your other comment, if i was casting a role of a seductive, sexy character, theres a bunch of other actresses that would be better than both cate and natalie.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:36 PM

Would anyone pay to watch Cate Blanchett strip?

The answer is hell no.

People should WANT to see Catwoman naked.
If she looks like she did on the Harpers cover, sure, why not.

Crook

12-04-2008, 06:37 PM

If she looks like she did on the Harpers cover, sure, why not.
Sure, maybe there's you and a handful of other people. Certainly not the overwhelming majority of the movie-watching crowd however.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 06:40 PM

Im sure people wouldnt really mind, but i doubt she would ever do that.

Crook

12-04-2008, 06:54 PM

Im sure people wouldnt really mind, but i doubt she would ever do that.
It's not about actually going through with it, but through sheer presence and appearance, entice the audience to fantasize it.

batboy99

12-04-2008, 07:05 PM

Ok, ill give you that. But i still think she is quite sexy with the right make up etc.
(These are probably photoshopped too, but she looks sexy)
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranfall2004_01.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranspring08.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranspring2004_05.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_01.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_02.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cate.jpg

batboy99

12-04-2008, 07:07 PM

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_21.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_20.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_22.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cate1.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranspring2004_06.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_03.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_04.jpg

Laderlappen

12-04-2008, 07:34 PM

Selina should NOT look like a stripper.

Crook

12-04-2008, 07:59 PM

Depends what your definition of one is. :o

batboy99

12-04-2008, 08:17 PM

Selina should NOT look like a stripper.
Agreed. Shes sophisticated, high class. Not some dirty prostitute or sleazy stripper.

[A]

12-04-2008, 08:25 PM

Aww Cate, Cate :heart:

batboy99

12-04-2008, 08:29 PM

Yes!:heart:

Cate as Catwoman fans UNITE!

flickchick85

12-04-2008, 10:47 PM

I don't think Natalie Portman is any better for the role than Blanchett. As it's been said, Portman is just as "cute" as Blanchett is "pretty." Neither one being the type of beauty we would first associate with Catwoman, and therefore, I don't think either one would be a great choice. But for the record, Blanchett completely owns Portman in the acting arena. I like Portman as an actress, but c'mon.

Also, imagining Bale acting with Portman wigs me out. I don't care how old she actually is, she would totally seem like a kid next to him. She and Clive Owen skeeved me out in Closer, too, but that was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, so it worked for me. And that is so not the vibe they want to be giving off with Batman/Catwoman. *shudder*