The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[JokerLedger]

Cate Blanchett and Natalie Portman are two fine actress'... but I wouldn't want to see them portraying Catwoman.

However, I would love to see both of them work with Nolan in future films.

[[A]]

Natalie Portman never was a really good actress.. come on..

[Ace of Knaves]

See for me Cate isn't suited to Selina, i'm not saying she isn't a brilliant actress. Not for one second am i saying that. But even when I look at all these "edgy" photos of her I still see her as being to regal and sophisticated to play Selina Kyle. Selina has gotta be sex on legs, but still have that aura of "I bet that bird loves a scrap". You know what I mean? Selina can't just be beautiful and sexy, she HAS to have that edge to her, sorta like you can tell she wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. While Cate could pull off the tough girl, I personally wouldn't be able to believe her as a tough girl from the streets of Gotham.

[CaptainClown]

Natalie Portman never was a really good actress.. come on..
ya, she has always simply been good in my eyes and hasn't really surpassed that.

[protoctista]

A couple of those pis of blanchett are lust-inducingly hot, but on the whole, I would say that her appeal is stand-off-ishly elegant, classical, statuesque.


I wold say that she's too old for the role.

And people saying that she's validated because she can act any part are slightly naive.

Meryl Streep can act any part. ANYTHING.

But she would look ridiculous as catwoman.



Cate Blanchett to a lesser extent of course, but I'm proving a point.

Cate Blanchett wouldn't not look the part because she hasn't got the looks, we can all agree that she's beautiful. But Catwoman has to have the kind of beauty where one look will make you want to ravage her. Like, literally become an animal.

She has to have a raw sexuality, she has to be fly-strainingly hot, she has to make your pants itch.

Cate could probably do that, but she's not that kind of woman naturally. Her beauty is a less... debased one. Its the kind of beauty that a hot aunt might have, or some magically-mysterious rich woman.




And Natalie Portman is a ridiculous suggestion. It's absurd.

She still looks like a child, and her voice is so sweet that it makes you feel like you're watching jail-bait. She needs to get older, but even when she does, I doubt she'll look like a full woman.

She also isn't a great, or reliable actress. And don't counter me with V for Vendetta, Closer or Garden State because that's what I'm thinking of. The only role I've ever enjoyed her in was the short before Wes Anderson's brilliant Darjeeling Limited. And she was hardly a fully fledged character there.

[Ace of Knaves]

A couple of those pis of blanchett are lust-inducingly hot, but on the whole, I would say that her appeal is stand-off-ishly elegant, classical, statuesque.


I wold say that she's too old for the role.

And people saying that she's validated because she can act any part are slightly naive.

Meryl Streep can act any part. ANYTHING.

But she would look ridiculous as catwoman.



Cate Blanchett to a lesser extent of course, but I'm proving a point.

Cate Blanchett wouldn't not look the part because she hasn't got the looks, we can all agree that she's beautiful. But Catwoman has to have the kind of beauty where one look will make you want to ravage her. Like, literally become an animal.

She has to have a raw sexuality, she has to be fly-strainingly hot, she has to make your pants itch.

Cate could probably do that, but she's not that kind of woman naturally. Her beauty is a less... debased one. Its the kind of beauty that a hot aunt might have, or some magically-mysterious rich woman.




And Natalie Portman is a ridiculous suggestion. It's absurd.

She still looks like a child, and her voice is so sweet that it makes you feel like you're watching jail-bait. She needs to get older, but even when she does, I doubt she'll look like a full woman.

She also isn't a great, or reliable actress. And don't counter me with V for Vendetta, Closer or Garden State because that's what I'm thinking of. The only role I've ever enjoyed her in was the short before Wes Anderson's brilliant Darjeeling Limited. And she was hardly a fully fledged character there.

The points you make about Cate are what i've been banging on about for weeks! I'm glad someone agrees! Cate, for me, is just too formal and sophisticated looking. As you said Selina has to have that raw sexuality, you could imagen coming out of a bar with her and going at it down a alley or something.

[Laderlappen]

I see what you guys are saying, but I have to say I think some are you are exaggerate when you describe Selina's looks. I understand Cate's looks isnt the look you're going for, but you people are exaggerating.

[[A]]

I think you exaggerate when you say we're exaggerating (not really--I just wanted to add my usual non-sense)

[protoctista]

I'll admit to exaggeration, but sometimes you have to exaggerate a response to make it clearer how you feel.

[Ace of Knaves]

I see what you guys are saying, but I have to say I think some are you are exaggerate when you describe Selina's looks. I understand Cate's looks isnt the look you're going for, but you people are exaggerating.

I'm not exaggerating atall. For me, as soon as I see Selina I've gotta be like "Whooooaaaa!! Damn that girl is hot!! I bet she is a right goer in the bedroom!! nudge nudge wink wink". That is how i've always viewed Catwoman in the comics, a gorgeous, feisty, sexually powerful woman, who I would imagen would dominate and tear you apart in the bedroom. Cate is a brilliant actress, no doubt but I personally couldn't picture her like that.

[[A]]

Yeah. I mean.. it's catwoman, not platypuswoman :hehe:



*not saying Cate looks like a platypus!! :funny:

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah. I mean.. it's catwoman, not platypuswoman :hehe:



*not saying Cate looks like a platypus!! :funny:

lolz. Yea Cate does come across a bit.......platypus-ey! :D

[Laderlappen]

I'm not exaggerating atall. For me, as soon as I see Selina I've gotta be like "Whooooaaaa!! Damn that girl is hot!! I bet she is a right goer in the bedroom!! nudge nudge wink wink". That is how i've always viewed Catwoman in the comics, a gorgeous, feisty, sexually powerful woman, who I would imagen would dominate and tear you apart in the bedroom. Cate is a brilliant actress, no doubt but I personally couldn't picture her like that.I'm not sure if I can picture anybody like that.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not sure if I can picture anybody like that.

Angelina Jolie or Michelle Mongahan do it for me. They ooze sex, and I reckon they would be well dirty in the bedroom. Well we all know Angie is a little bit freaky! :cwink:

[[A]]

I really like Michelle Monaghan's face--she's a doll.. but never saw pictures of her body

[Ace of Knaves]

I really like Michelle Monaghan's face--she's a doll.. but never saw pictures of her body

Have you seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? She is smoking in that, even get to see her *******!!

*giggles like little school girl*

:D

[[A]]

I should really check that movie--been meaning to do it, though..

[Laderlappen]

Really Monaghan? Not that she's unattractive, but she isnt like that. Not to me atleast. She's not exactly the 'girl next door' type, but definetly not a bombshell. SHe has a more ordinary sweet girl personality with a little bit of sexyness and class(which is actually exactly what I am looking for for the role). Jolie? Maybe, but just maybe.

[[A]]

It's easier with the guys: find a good actor, buff him up. With a girl, ok, you find a good actress--but how do you turn 'em into a bombshell..?

[Ace of Knaves]

Really Monaghan? Not that she's unattractive, but she isnt like that. Not to me atleast. She's not exactly the 'girl next door' type, but definetly not a bombshell. SHe has a more ordinary sweet girl personality with a little bit of sexyness and class(which is actually exactly what I am looking for for the role). Jolie? Maybe, but just maybe.

Maybe you are right about Michelle. But there is no maybe when it comes to Jolie. This is a woman who snogged her brother, who kept a vial of her husbands blood on her at all times and has confessed to like bondage. Trust me, Jolie is a dirty little slag!! In a good way of course.

[Laderlappen]

I thought we were only speaking lookwise. Are you suggesting Selina should be(im not saying Jolie is) ****ty/sexy?

[[A]]

I don't think Selina should look ****ty. She should look sexy, yeah, and hint that she'd break in half if she had the chance :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

I thought we were only speaking lookwise. Are you suggesting Selina should be(im not saying Jolie is) ****ty/sexy?

Yea I think there should be a ****ty aura to Selina. Not an out and out skank who would shag anything, but I mean a woman who is comfortable with her sexuality and doesn't conform to the "proper woman" rules or whatever. That's what Catwoman embodies to me, like a free spirit. That's why she is one of the biggest female icons in pop culture, she makes it ok for women to be promiscuous and not feel like they are a slag. Her sexuality should be empowering for other women who watch her, I just don't think Cate could do that. Angie definitely could.

[Mercurius]

Yea I think there should be a ****ty aura to Selina. Not an out and out skank who would shag anything, but I mean a woman who is comfortable with her sexuality and doesn't conform to the "proper woman" rules or whatever. That's what Catwoman embodies to me, like a free spirit. That's why she is one of the biggest female icons in pop culture, she makes it ok for women to be promiscuous and not feel like they are a slag. Her sexuality should be empowering for other women who watch her, I just don't think Cate could do that. Angie definitely could.


I think that actressess shouldn't be typecast like that: "Jolie is hot and sexy, Blanchett beautiful and cool".

It's a feature of their job to be all sorts of things they personally are not.

We have to consider that working process, and it's interesting that a great actress may do something she never did before.

I'm not defending Blanchett for the role, my pick would be Cotillard, but Blanchett would play that amazingly, I'm sure, and convince all of us that she is Catwoman.

That's what a great actress is about.

[Two-Face]

Comparing Portman to Blachet in beauty is a bit ridiculous.

Portman is cute - but Portman is also sexy, or at least can play sexy. She has played a stripper for crying out loud!

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/Dannyboy_1111/natalie_portman-2.jpg

This photo is "sexy" not cute.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/wouldyouhit/NataliePortman/Natalie_Portman_013.jpg

This photo is sexy not cute.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/jorgemora4/natalie.jpg

This photo is sexy, not cute.

The only photo of Blanchet I have seen that makes her look at all "sexy" is the magazine cover in the last page - one that is HEAVILY worked on.




If I am casting a character that is sexy, seductive and fierce - I would take Portman over Blanchett every day of the week.

If I am casting the Queen of England or Bob Dylan - give me Blanchett.



She's too young for the role.

[[A]]

off-topic but.. BoobFace, you kept that avvy for a long time! good for you :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

I think that actressess shouldn't be typecast like that: "Jolie is hot and sexy, Blanchett beautiful and cool".

It's a feature of their job to be all sorts of things they personally are not.

We have to consider that working process, and it's interesting that a great actress may do something she never did before.

I'm not defending Blanchett for the role, my pick would be Cotillard, but Blanchett would play that amazingly, I'm sure, and convince all of us that she is Catwoman.

I'm not talking about type-casting, i'm against that. I just couldn't picture Cate Blanchett as Selina. She is a brilliant actress who can play many different roles, but for me, Selina isn't one of them. I would look at her and be like "Oh she looks too refined and regal to be Catwoman". Theres nothing no one could do to make me believe that she came up off the streets of Gotham. Even if she put in a barn-storming performance I would still be like "Oh Cate was brilliant at playing Catwoman". But I wouldn't be like "Ohh she WAS Catwoman". See the thing that made Ledgers performance momumental is that it wasn't Ledger "playing" the Joker, he was the Joker. Same thing applies for Catwoman.

[Two-Face]

You got a actress can act but also be beautiful.....

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/angelina_jolie_elleuk_farandulista-.jpg

[Ace of Knaves]

Yep. She can also play sexy and slightly demented. Some people seem to be forgetting that being slightly mentally unstable is a big part of Catwoman aswell.

[Laderlappen]

Its 2 different takes on Selina we're talking about. The take Ace are talking about, no Cate woudnt fit that one. I wouldnt want Jolie for my take on Catwoman. Even if I thought she was as good as some of you do.

[regwec]

Bloody hell! Just look at Angelina's funbags! :0

[Two-Face]

Funbags? that's new way of saying "boobs!" :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

Funbags? that's new way of saying "boobs!" :hehe:

You know that!! They are fun, and they resemble bags!!

[Hellion]

IMO...Angelina would still be a better Talia

[Two-Face]

IMO...Angelina would still be a better Talia



She's Catwoman only for me.

[RachelDawes]

I'm not talking about type-casting, i'm against that. I just couldn't picture Cate Blanchett as Selina. She is a brilliant actress who can play many different roles, but for me, Selina isn't one of them. I would look at her and be like "Oh she looks too refined and regal to be Catwoman". Theres nothing no one could do to make me believe that she came up off the streets of Gotham. Even if she put in a barn-storming performance I would still be like "Oh Cate was brilliant at playing Catwoman". But I wouldn't be like "Ohh she WAS Catwoman". See the thing that made Ledgers performance momumental is that it wasn't Ledger "playing" the Joker, he was the Joker. Same thing applies for Catwoman.

Would you be okay with Cate if Nolan altered her origin so that she wasn't from Gotham's streets, or if her origin was left unexplained?

[Ace of Knaves]

Would you be okay with Cate if Nolan altered her origin so that she wasn't from Gotham's streets, or if her origin was left unexplained?

Hmmm maybe. So you are saying what, that Catwoman could be a wealthy socialite or something? That wouldn't work IMO.

[StorminNorman]

Would you be okay with Cate if Nolan altered her origin so that she wasn't from Gotham's streets, or if her origin was left unexplained?

The only way I would be okay with Cate is if Nolan completely changed her looks - something which I think is beyond his ability.

Natalie Portman never was a really good actress.. come on..

Most would disagree with you completely.

A couple of those pis of blanchett are lust-inducingly hot, but on the whole, I would say that her appeal is stand-off-ishly elegant, classical, statuesque.

"Lust-inducingly hot?" :huh:


I wold say that she's too old for the role.

And people saying that she's validated because she can act any part are slightly naive.

Meryl Streep can act any part. ANYTHING.

But she would look ridiculous as catwoman.

Very good point.

And Natalie Portman is a ridiculous suggestion. It's absurd.

She still looks like a child, and her voice is so sweet that it makes you feel like you're watching jail-bait. She needs to get older, but even when she does, I doubt she'll look like a full woman.

You are ignoring reality here. I have posted picture after picture that shows her NOT looking like a child but as a beautiful woman - a requirement for Catwoman.

She also isn't a great, or reliable actress. And don't counter me with V for Vendetta, Closer or Garden State because that's what I'm thinking of. The only role I've ever enjoyed her in was the short before Wes Anderson's brilliant Darjeeling Limited. And she was hardly a fully fledged character there.

The only time she HASN'T given a "great or reliable" performance was Star Wars.

do u think any of the sexy Portman shots havnt been worked on? You're kidding yourself

Sure they have been touched on - but for every "hot" picture of Blanchett, I can counter with 10 of Portman.

And ya big deal she played a stripper. Strippers dont necessarily mean sexy.

A good stripper does.

And as for your other comment, if i was casting a role of a seductive, sexy character, theres a bunch of other actresses that would be better than both cate and natalie.

Then lets look at those actresses - because thats exactly the type of character we are looking at.

Casting Cate as Catwoman is as ridiculous as casting Maggie Gyllenhall as Catwoman - neither are, frankly, attractive enough for the role. No acting can change that.

If she looks like she did on the Harpers cover, sure, why not.

You are kidding yourself.

I don't think Natalie Portman is any better for the role than Blanchett. As it's been said, Portman is just as "cute" as Blanchett is "pretty." Neither one being the type of beauty we would first associate with Catwoman, and therefore, I don't think either one would be a great choice. But for the record, Blanchett completely owns Portman in the acting arena. I like Portman as an actress, but c'mon.

I agree that Blanchett has a much larger range of acting - but that range does not include Catwoman, it does not include sexual, seductive, powerful woman. Portman can.

Portman is a cute girl that can look sexy. Blanchett is a rather plain girl that can look beautiful.

Also, imagining Bale acting with Portman wigs me out. I don't care how old she actually is, she would totally seem like a kid next to him. She and Clive Owen skeeved me out in Closer, too, but that was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, so it worked for me. And that is so not the vibe they want to be giving off with Batman/Catwoman. *shudder*

You act as if Hollywood has never made a female actress look older than they are in reality for a role.

[regwec]

To be fair, Bale boning Portman would be less alarming than Gemma Arterton in bed with Daniel Craig, which we saw in "Quantum of Solace".

[Laderlappen]

Beauty is subjective.

Btw do you realise the consequences of arguing with 6 people?

[RachelDawes]

Hmmm maybe. So you are saying what, that Catwoman could be a wealthy socialite or something? That wouldn't work IMO.

Catwoman wouldn't necessarily have to be a socialite. She could be like Scarecrow or Joker and just appear so we wouldn't know anything about her past. You could imagine anything you wanted about her background.

[Ace of Knaves]

Catwoman wouldn't necessarily have to be a socialite. She could be like Scarecrow or Joker and just appear so we wouldn't know anything about her past. You could imagine anything you wanted about her background.


Yea but see, some characters can work like that, without knowing anything about their past.

But her past is important to Catwoman, to me it is anyway. I don't think she would work well and make people feel for her plight if she just randomly appeared or something.

[StorminNorman]

Beauty is subjective.

Btw do you realise the consequences of arguing with 6 people?

Beauty is subjective when dealing with a single person - but not when dealing with a large audience like a movie such as The Dark Knight is. For Catwoman you have to pick a woman that most of the audience think is "sexy", Cate Blanchett is an absolutely ridiculous choice because of that.

As far as the consequences of arguing with 6 people, not quite since I normally enjoy debating with 8.

Catwoman wouldn't necessarily have to be a socialite. She could be like Scarecrow or Joker and just appear so we wouldn't know anything about her past. You could imagine anything you wanted about her background.

Except that Catwoman's character is most effective when we see Selina Kyle as well. No one cares about Jon Crane and no one knows who the The Joker use to be - Catwoman we need both sides.

There is no reason Catwoman can't be a bored socialite and a thief.

[flickchick85]

Hmmm maybe. So you are saying what, that Catwoman could be a wealthy socialite or something? That wouldn't work IMO.

I think Catwoman should be a socialite who generally hates socialites because of her mysterious and not so shiny past coming from "the streets." Which is why Selina would hate Bruce Wayne instantly and he would be completely fascinated by her. I liked what TAS did - Bruce wants Selina, who's not interested, Selina/Catwoman wants Batman, who's not interested b/c he considers her a common criminal. Of course, the tables turn when Selina figures out Bruce is Batman and is suddenly VERY interested. And since he'll never be ok with what Catwoman does, it's all doomed, etc.

[regwec]

I think that Selina should initially treat Bruce much the same as he treats any number of bimbos. He should approach her in that same way. Then they can discover each other.

[Dark Knight]

You got a actress can act but also be beautiful.....

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/angelina_jolie_elleuk_farandulista-.jpg




The overall most ideal choice to play Selina/Catwoman by far. She would just need to tone up her body again. The chances of Nolan actually casting her are average IMO.

[batboy99]

See for me Cate isn't suited to Selina, i'm not saying she isn't a brilliant actress. Not for one second am i saying that. But even when I look at all these "edgy" photos of her I still see her as being to regal and sophisticated to play Selina Kyle. Selina has gotta be sex on legs, but still have that aura of "I bet that bird loves a scrap". You know what I mean? Selina can't just be beautiful and sexy, she HAS to have that edge to her, sorta like you can tell she wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. While Cate could pull off the tough girl, I personally wouldn't be able to believe her as a tough girl from the streets of Gotham.
Cate does have a little bit of a rough edge to her.
And to me the whole ''sex on legs'' thing is Poison Ivy to me. Now SHE has to be super sexy. Selina, while she is sexy, she never came off as SUPER sexy like Ivy to me. She has a rough edge, but also has an elegant, high class look to her even though she wasnt brought up that way.

And as Ladder said, her looks arent the typical selina kyle looks, but i can still see her pulling it off.

[Dark Knight]

I think Catwoman should be a socialite who generally hates socialites because of her mysterious and not so shiny past coming from "the streets." Which is why Selina would hate Bruce Wayne instantly and he would be completely fascinated by her. I liked what TAS did - Bruce wants Selina, who's not interested, Selina/Catwoman wants Batman, who's not interested b/c he considers her a common criminal. Of course, the tables turn when Selina figures out Bruce is Batman and is suddenly VERY interested. And since he'll never be ok with what Catwoman does, it's all doomed, etc.


Something like that could work.

[batboy99]

Anyways, my choices

1)Marion Cotillard
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/2292533374_ee6dac77c4_o.jpg
2)Angelina Jolie/http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/donnakaranwinter2003_22.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/2rpb69g.jpg
3)Charlize Theron
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/ch.jpg

[StorminNorman]

I don't think Cotillard nor Blanchett are sexy enough for the character.

Jolie and Theron certainly are and provide Box Office and Critical clout.

[batboy99]

I tihnk marion looks like the Selina i envision alot. Shes not super sexy like theron or jolie, but shes got the right amount of sexiness to her.

And again, Blanchett doesnt have the typical selina kyle looks,but i can see her working. I would be a different take on the character.

[StorminNorman]

I don't want to see a different character in Catwoman, though.

I want to see Catwoman.

[batboy99]

Well, im not say a COMPLETELY different take, but not exact to a T. Looks wise anyway.
Im definetly not talking aobut an extreamly different take like Burton's or anything.

I know she isnt the hottest thing ever or the IDEAL choice but, I dunno, these pics just do it for me.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cate.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_01.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_02-1.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_04.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_06.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_05-1.jpg

I know shes not the catwoman everyone wants to see,I know she would creat controversy, I know she isn't sexy enough by the majority, but I just cant let go of the idea :(

[cerealkiller182]

The whole different take on Catwoman thing:

Some seem to hear a deep, seductive voice when they read Catwoman

I hear a playful, flirty voice.

[batboy99]

I dont know if it makes sense, but i hear a mix of both. When shes serious and flirting with batman, i hear the pfieffer voice. Other times when shes having ''fun'' i hear a lighter hearted voice.

[Two-Face]

Sorry I just don't see Cate as Selina....

[batboy99]

You dont have to apologize, its your opinion...

I just, can see it working in a weird way

And wow, i never noticed how awesome her cleavage is.
She looks a bit older her with the wrinkles and all, but movie make up can cover those up.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/helpmann012.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/helpmann019.jpg

Hmm, I wonder how she would look with dark hair.

[Laderlappen]

Marion has the perfect look for Catwoman I think. Acting aside, her look is the best one outta the people in the poll imo.

[regwec]

Cate Blanchett wouldn't work for me, either.

[StorminNorman]

Well, im not say a COMPLETELY different take, but not exact to a T. Looks wise anyway.
Im definetly not talking aobut an extreamly different take like Burton's or anything.

I know she isnt the hottest thing ever or the IDEAL choice but, I dunno, these pics just do it for me.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cate.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_01.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_02-1.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_04.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_06.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_05-1.jpg

I know shes not the catwoman everyone wants to see,I know she would creat controversy, I know she isn't sexy enough by the majority, but I just cant let go of the idea :(

I still keep seeing Cillian Murphey in drag.

[batboy99]

Cillian Murphey? LOL

Thats one hot Cillian Murphy then....

More Blanchett pics that I think could work for Selina
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cameron_006.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cameron_007.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/cameron_003.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_002.jpg

[Crook]

It's easier with the guys: find a good actor, buff him up. With a girl, ok, you find a good actress--but how do you turn 'em into a bombshell..?
It's easy to get the ideal male look. It's all tone and muscle which can be dealt with. Idealized female, however, basically relies on genes. An actress can't "work out" to get that shapely body and nice bosom.

I think that actressess shouldn't be typecast like that: "Jolie is hot and sexy, Blanchett beautiful and cool".

It's a feature of their job to be all sorts of things they personally are not.
Yes, but many tend to ignore that looks play a big deal into certain characters as much as personality. Had this been a radio event, or animated feature, then I would gladly accept Cate.

Cate does have a little bit of a rough edge to her.
And to me the whole ''sex on legs'' thing is Poison Ivy to me. Now SHE has to be super sexy. Selina, while she is sexy, she never came off as SUPER sexy like Ivy to me. She has a rough edge, but also has an elegant, high class look to her even though she wasnt brought up that way.

I don't know what world you've been living in, because practically EVERY incarnation of Catwoman has played up the sex angle. It's innate within Selina to look and act sexy. Whether or not Ivy is sexiER has nothing to do with it.

[batboy99]

I don't know what world you've been living in, because practically EVERY incarnation of Catwoman has played up the sex angle. It's innate within Selina to look and act sexy. Whether or not Ivy is sexiER has nothing to do with it.
No,no. Im not saying she cant be sexy, she HAS to be sexy, but the whole ''sex on legs'' thing is what I tihkn of Ivy, Catwoman on the other hand, is sexy, yes, but she isnt like OMFG SEXIEST WOMAN EVAH!!!!!!!!! But she still needs to be very sexy. Thats why I like Marion more(and I guess Jolie and Theron). They are all very sexy women.

Cate would still be a great Catwoman, but shes not as sexy as those three, but I just cant let go of the idea!

For some reason, Cate reminds me of the Catwoman from that mini comic series based on Miller's Catwoman. That Catwoman, she still acted sexy, but she wasnt as sexy physically as Jim Lee's or something.
Lee's Catwoman is SUPER SUPER sexy, Angelina jolie or Charlize Theron type
Darwyn Cooke's Catwoman is sexy, but with a cuter, more soft side to her, Marion Cotillard type.
The Catwoman from the mini series is still sexy, but with a rougher look to her and a little less sexy than the other two. That Catwoman never striked me as being super sexy physically like the others
Does that make sense?

[elgato]

Ya know, after all this talk, i've fallen for the idea of Cate as Selina. Sure, shes 39, sure she isn't the hottest thing around, but the woman is so amazing at what she does. Shes such a great actress that it makes up for the downfalls, plus I find her sexy.
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She's tied with Marion for me now. She's definetly a left field choice, but again, shes so amazing, I can't give her up.

Meow!
GOD! You sold me with those :wow::woot:

[Laderlappen]

I agree with everything you're saying Batboy. I'd prefer Selina to not be ridiculously sexy like Jolie. Most women dont look like this. Selina's body is often drawn as being ridiculously good, and I dont think she need to look like that in the movie. Just like Bruce often looks like a body-builder.

[batboy99]

I agree to an extent as well. She doesnt NEED to be portrayed like that, but most people know her like that and she is, for the most part, portrayed like that ,so, it will be a hard decision either way.

[Laderlappen]

I dont think Selina from the comics is as sexy as people are acting. Except for the exaggerated body, sure she looked good and had a good looking face, but she wasnt sex on 2 legs. The thing about Selina was that there was a personality that made her the sex symbol she is. Selina from the comics wasnt really that prettier than any female comicbook character.

[batboy99]

Stop reading my mind!!!!:p

The only time i found her to look REALLY sexy was when Lee drew her. Desides that ,she was hot ya, but not super hot. Shes my favorite character but Ive always found characters like Ivy,Emma Frost etc sexier than Catwoman.

[Crook]

For some reason, Cate reminds me of the Catwoman from that mini comic series based on Miller's Catwoman. That Catwoman, she still acted sexy, but she wasnt as sexy physically as Jim Lee's or something.
Lee's Catwoman is SUPER SUPER sexy, Angelina jolie or Charlize Theron type
Darwyn Cooke's Catwoman is sexy, but with a cuter, more soft side to her, Marion Cotillard type.
The Catwoman from the mini series is still sexy, but with a rougher look to her and a little less sexy than the other two. That Catwoman never striked me as being super sexy physically like the others
Does that make sense?
I know what you are saying, but what you're saying here is Cate's sexy enough to play this role. I simply cannot remotely agree with that.

I agree with everything you're saying Batboy. I'd prefer Selina to not be ridiculously sexy like Jolie. Most women dont look like this. Selina's body is often drawn as being ridiculously good, and I dont think she need to look like that in the movie. Just like Bruce often looks like a body-builder.
I'm not really seeing the point here. Our lead heroes and male composites don't look like the average joe either. Heck, you can thrown in most of the leads in cinema, and you will see quite a pattern of beautiful people being plastered on these screens.

I'm not gonna assume anything here, so I have to ask. Did you just bring an argument of realism, to the context of comic book characters' attractiveness/appeal?

I dont think Selina from the comics is as sexy as people are acting. Except for the exaggerated body, sure she looked good and had a good looking face, but she wasnt sex on 2 legs. The thing about Selina was that there was a personality that made her the sex symbol she is. Selina from the comics wasnt really that prettier than any female comicbook character.
It was the attitude PLUS the looks that got her the attention. We are all aware everyone from the tv news reporter to the nun on the sidewalk are drawn like idealized females. However when translating to film/animation, the difference is no one gives a damn about the background extras. Selina is just as much a representation of female individuality as she is a sex symbol. You cannot have both when you look like Cate. I'm sorry, but that is the general consensus.

[Cunning Stunts]

Would anyone be up for Eva Green?http://www.darkromance.com/goths/dark-stars/dr-dr-mus-016-eva-green/eva-green-1-480.jpg

[batboy99]

I know what you are saying, but what you're saying here is Cate's sexy enough to play this role. I simply cannot remotely agree with that.
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I dont think shes sexy enough to play the Lee version of catwoman, but as i said, Selina isnt always super hot bombshell. Im looknig through a comic right now, and shes pretty average looking. Im sure Cate can pull off that look.

[Crook]

Would anyone be up for Eva Green?http://www.darkromance.com/goths/dark-stars/dr-dr-mus-016-eva-green/eva-green-1-480.jpg
She has her on-and-off days. I don't know if it's the makeup team or she just has one of 'those' faces. Also I'm not sure about her accent.

I dont think shes sexy enough to play the Lee version of catwoman, but as i said, Selina isnt always super hot bombshell. Im looknig through a comic right now, and shes pretty average looking. Im sure Cate can pull off that look.
Feel free to post these pics. From what I've seen, it's only the hair that has made her look butch or anything but sexy. Face-wise, I see nothing remarkably different from other drawings.

[RachelDawes]

I don't think Cotillard nor Blanchett are sexy enough for the character.

Jolie and Theron certainly are and provide Box Office and Critical clout.

What about Cotillard doesn't strike you as sexy? I think she's flat out perfect for the role, at least in terms of her looks. She's supposed to be a great actress, too but I haven't seen her in anything. Theron could work too, but I don't know, I don't want her.

[elgato]

Yap yap, true bout cotillard

[jmc]

What about Cotillard doesn't strike you as sexy? I think she's flat out perfect for the role, at least in terms of her looks. She's supposed to be a great actress, too but I haven't seen her in anything . Theron could work too, but I don't know, I don't want her.

I recommend a quirky dark comedy call Love Me if You Dare (that's the English title anyway).

[flickchick85]

When I think of Catwoman now, I instantly see and hear Marion Cotillard. She just IS Catwoman in my head at this point. Which, I know, kinda sucks since she's not any more likely than several of these other candidates, so I'm setting myself up for disappointment, blah blah blah. I'm sure I'll be cool with whoever Nolan would pick at the end of the day, but yeah, Cotillard=The Perfect Choice. And discussing these other options lately, as fantastic as some of them are, has only reinforced that for me.

And I 2nd the recommendation of Love Me if You Dare. She's quite Selina-esque in that. But her crowning achievement thus far has been La Vie En Rose, hands down. That's a must see. Really, though, almost all of her recent (2003 onwards) French flicks are worth checking out, imo. She's awesome.

[Mercurius]

When I think of Catwoman now, I instantly see and hear Marion Cotillard. She just IS Catwoman in my head at this point. Which, I know, kinda sucks since she's not any more likely than several of these other candidates, so I'm setting myself up for disappointment, blah blah blah. I'm sure I'll be cool with whoever Nolan would pick at the end of the day, but yeah, Cotillard=The Perfect Choice. And discussing these other options lately, as fantastic as some of them are, has only reinforced that for me.

And I 2nd the recommendation of Love Me if You Dare. She's quite Selina-esque in that. But her crowning achievement thus far has been La Vie En Rose, hands down. That's a must see. Really, though, almost all of her recent (2003 onwards) French flicks are worth checking out, imo. She's awesome.


Yeah, I'm all in this Cotillard thing myself. I think she's just perfect for the role.

But there is some thought to make us quite happy: whoever Nolan chooses (if he will ever deal with the character), it will be a great choice.

I have no doubts.

But I keep thinking, anyway: Cotillard, Cotillard, Cotillard. :woot:

[Laderlappen]

I'm not really seeing the point here. Our lead heroes and male composites don't look like the average joe either. Heck, you can thrown in most of the leads in cinema, and you will see quite a pattern of beautiful people being plastered on these screens.

I'm not gonna assume anything here, so I have to ask. Did you just bring an argument of realism, to the context of comic book characters' attractiveness/appeal?If we take Bale for example. The guy is goodlooking, has a good strong body. If we look at the comics, Bruce is often drawn with godlike looks, with a body that bodybuilders and wrestlers has. Ofcourse he doesnt need to look like that, but he's still should have a great body and good looks. They pulled that of pretty good. SAme with Catwoman. Sure she shouldnt look like an average...Jane, but she dont need to look like a sex godess either. That's why I think Marion is so good lookwise for the role.

It was the attitude PLUS the looks that got her the attention. We are all aware everyone from the tv news reporter to the nun on the sidewalk are drawn like idealized females. However when translating to film/animation, the difference is no one gives a damn about the background extras. Selina is just as much a representation of female individuality as she is a sex symbol. You cannot have both when you look like Cate. I'm sorry, but that is the general consensus.Well obviously. Point is she looks pretty much like every other female character from any other comics.

About Cate, I wrote in my first post about her that I consider her to be the most underrated beauty in hollywood and in the same league as any of the suggested actresses here including Jolie and Marion. Obviously most people dont agre with me here so it makes it impossible for me to argue for her.

[Crook]

If we take Bale for example. The guy is goodlooking, has a good strong body. If we look at the comics, Bruce is often drawn with godlike looks, with a body that bodybuilders and wrestlers has. Ofcourse he doesnt need to look like that, but he's still should have a great body and good looks. They pulled that of pretty good. SAme with Catwoman.
Well what you are referring to is physical proportions and size, which of course can't be exactly matched in real-life. I do not expect Selina to have a 36DD bust, and a 24-inch waist. But I DO expect Selina to look absolutely stunning when she's in a room full of people. Even if she has a so-so body, her face would more than make up for it.

About Cate, I wrote in my first post about her that I consider her to be the most underrated beauty in hollywood and in the same league as any of the suggested actresses here including Jolie and Marion. Obviously most people dont agre with me here so it makes it impossible for me to argue for her.
I feel she's an "underrated beauty" for a reason. Her looks aren't as accessible as Jolie and Marion's are. It's an unconventional type of beauty/allure. Nothing against Cate, but that is unfit for the role.

[Laderlappen]

Well what you are referring to is physical proportions and size, which of course can't be exactly matched in real-life. I do not expect Selina to have a 36DD bust, and a 24-inch waist. But I DO expect Selina to look absolutely stunning when she's in a room full of people. Even if she has a so-so body, her face would more than make up for it. I do too. Which I found Marion being.

[hatebox]

The fact that we're even talking about these various women means Nolan probably won't cast them.

[Laderlappen]

I still dont get it. How come nobody ever suggested Heath Ledger? He made one of the best acting performance of our time right before he was cast, he has the body and the look for it already! It was such an obvious choice, why was he never suggested? But every other suggested choice was the guy who played George mcFly? Arewe fans really that stupid?
Sorry for being OT.

[Crook]

He didn't immediately look the part, and he wasn't quite the "respected" or "adorned" actor at the time. Even after Brokeback.

[Laderlappen]

He still was a much more respected actor than pretty much every suggested actor. And he did look a little like the Joker. He was tall, skinny and had that big smile.

[Two-Face]

The fact that we're even talking about these various women means Nolan probably won't cast them.



Never underestimate Mr Nolan.

[Crook]

He still was a much more respected actor than pretty much every suggested actor. And he did look a little like the Joker. He was tall, skinny and had that big smile.
Much more respected, how? Because of his Oscar nomination? He was still very much behind-the-scenes. In hindsight, it's easy to say that Ledger was great at what he was doing. But at the time, not many really payed attention to him. Evidenced by the humongous "WTF?!?" reaction by practically everyone when he was announced.

Never underestimate Mr Nolan.
Boobface, who is that in ya avvy? I must know.

[protoctista]

I know I can't prove this, as I wasn't attendant on these boards before The Dark Knight came out, but I'd seen every Heath Ledger film prior to his announcement and knew instantly that they'd nailed the casting by selecting him. I leapt for joy. Obviously, I wont claim I would have suggested him.



He didn't immediately look the part, and he wasn't quite the "respected" or "adorned" actor at the time. Even after Brokeback.

He wasn't adorned, but he was hot property after his Oscar nom. He was set to become a big, big star - he had the good looks and a teeny fan base as well as immense critical acclaim. It is exactly these sorts of conditions that are the indicators of the next career actor. EMPIRE magazine, for one, had predicted his rise.


Much more respected, how? Because of his Oscar nomination? He was still very much behind-the-scenes. In hindsight, it's easy to say that Ledger was great at what he was doing. But at the time, not many really payed attention to him.
Rubbish. He was the critical darling of the indie scene. His performance in Candy was rabidly acclaimed - just not in the mainstream channels. He deliberately chose roles that were off-the-wall, opportunities that defied stereotyping.


Evidenced by the humongous "WTF?!?" reaction by practically everyone when he was announced.

The WTF reaction was from fan-boys. Comic-fan boys not film-fans. It's evident that a lot of people on this forum don't watch many non-mainstream films when casting polls put Angelina Jolie (who would probably by the most recurring first answer by anyone asked "name an actress") and Kate Beckinsale at the highest scoring. Very few people have even heard of Marion Cotillard, despite her surprise winning of a Best Actress Oscar just this February. It's embaressing to see people leap to casting suggestions that are tell-tale of a limited film-awareness (Jonny Depp for the Riddler!)




Are we fans really that stupid?


Not stupid, just not well-versed in cinema.

[Laderlappen]

More respected because

1) One of the most loved performances in many years. He wasnt just nominated for an oscar, he was nominated for every award you can be nominated for pretty much. He was right at the point before he was cast called 'the greatest actor under 30' by many people.
2) None of the suggested actors has respect.

Its obvious that he had more respect. People went WTF because he was never suggested. The reason for the hate? People are idiots.

[Laderlappen]

Not stupid, just not well-versed in cinema.I think you're right here. I gotta say that these boards are the ones I most agree with on internet about Batman casting. Honestly, how many of the actors suggested are serious dramatic actors that hasnt been in any blockbuster films or any popular tv-shows?

[protoctista]

It's the TV show stars that are the worst suggestions. Grrrr.

[Saint]

It's pretty hilarious seeing the women in this thread described as "Not sexy enough" to play Catwoman. The unimportance seems monumental, and, in any case, if any of these women were to be precluded from playing Catwoman, it sure as hell wouldn't be because they weren't sexy enough.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised; after all, there are people who want Megan Fox to play Wonder Woman. Ugh.

[Crook]

He wasn't adorned, but he was hot property after his Oscar nom. He was set to become a big, big star - he had the good looks and a teeny fan base as well as immense critical acclaim. It is exactly these sorts of conditions that are the indicators of the next career actor. EMPIRE magazine, for one, had predicted his rise.
That's hard to predict when his break into true stardom was the Joker. And this was shortly after his Oscar nomination. Before this, he had the potential, no doubt, but he wasn't really getting anywhere.

Rubbish. He was the critical darling of the indie scene. His performance in Candy was rabidly acclaimed - just not in the mainstream channels. He deliberately chose roles that were off-the-wall, opportunities that defied stereotyping.
His performances were lauded, but he was stuck in movies that weren't that well-received. Even Candy was critically panned. So was a film directed by the highly respected Terry Gilliam.

The WTF reaction was from fan-boys. Comic-fan boys not film-fans.
Ok and both are quite limited demographics. I'm taking into account the general consensus over Ledger from fanboys and regular joes alike. I remember friends asking me who was playing Joker, and after I told them, the majority reaction was either "who?", "gay cowboy?", or "that teen hearthrob?".

[regwec]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised; after all, there are people who want Megan Fox to play Wonder Woman. Ugh.
Before the release of BB, I distinctly remember Sarah Michelle Gellar being hailed as the natural choice for Selina Kyle.

[Crook]

Before the release of BB, I distinctly remember Sarah Michelle Gellar being hailed as the natural choice for Selina Kyle.
I distinctly know that is absolutely false. At least here.

[Laderlappen]

That's hard to predict when his break into true stardom was the Joker. And this was shortly after his Oscar nomination. Before this, he had the potential, no doubt, but he wasn't really getting anywhere. That is just not true. He was the leading star in the biggest movie of 2005, he was nominated for an oscar and would have won if PSH didnt. He got as much and maybe more critical acclaim than for the role of the Joker. He was cast in the Bob Dylan film, Nolan pretty much cast him mostly because of that role. He was in talkes for No Country For Old Men, Australia, & The upcomming Terrance malick film Tree of Life. To say he wasnt going anywhere is a ridiculous and wrong thing to say. He opened up alot more new doors than he did for The Dark Knight. When The Dark Knight was released(if Heath was still alive) almost all the doors would have already been opened. What The Dark Knight proved was that he wasnt one of those one-time actors.


Ok and both are quite limited demographics. I'm taking into account the general consensus over Ledger from fanboys and regular joes alike. I remember friends asking me who was playing Joker, and after I told them, the majority reaction was either "who?", "gay cowboy?", or "that teen hearthrob?".These are the people protoctista was talking about being 'not well-versed in cinema'. Really how much saying have these who say 'who? Gay cowboy?'? No offence but your friends obviously knows nothing about movies. My guess is they have never heard of somebody like Marlon Brando or Paul Newman. Are you gonna say these aren't respected actors because none-movie fans dont who who they were?

[Crook]

That is just not true. He was the leading star in the biggest movie of 2005, he was nominated for an oscar and would have won if PSH didnt. He got as much and maybe more critical acclaim than for the role of the Joker.
I really do not see how this is any more different than any other actor that's been nominated for an Oscar every year. Forest Whitaker got it, Jamie Foxx got it, Phillip Seymour Hoffman got it, this year it's Mickey Rourke. Are any of them STARS because of it?

He was in talkes for No Country For Old Men, Australia, & The upcomming Terrance malick film Tree of Life.
And ultimately didn't get it. I don't see how this does anything when it's not something that came to past. Do you have any idea how many times actors are in talks for a movie and don't get it? It happens with everyone.

To say he wasn't going anywhere is a ridiculous and wrong thing to say.
He wasn't going anywhere BIG, until Joker came along. As I said, it's hard to gauge when this role came not long after his nomination. But before this, he was pretty under-the-radar.

He opened up alot more new doors than he did for The Dark Knight. When The Dark Knight was released(if Heath was still alive) almost all the doors would have already been opened. What The Dark Knight proved was that he wasnt one of those one-time actors.
And I would agree. But alas, that's not what happened.

These are the people protoctista was talking about being 'not well-versed in cinema'. Really how much saying have these who say 'who? Gay cowboy?'? No offence but your friends obviously knows nothing about movies.
And we're obviously putting Ledger on a ridiculous pedestal now. You're gonna judge someone's film knowledge based on whether or not they know Ledger? Are we serious here? This is like a music fan calling someone an uncultured moron, for not knowing or listening to John Mayer. They've received their fair share of accolades, but let's not pretend they're all of a sudden so important that they are a household name.

Now I'm forced to be rude here, but Ledger wasn't hot s**t before Joker. Yes, he had buzz for Brokeback, but every Oscar nominated actor has these 15 minutes, every single year. Ledger's was no different. His death and the Joker role have no doubt shot up his reputation to unbelievable levels, but it's important to note his status before this tragedy occurred.

My guess is they have never heard of somebody like Marlon Brando or Paul Newman. Are you gonna say these aren't respected actors because none-movie fans dont who who they were?
Actually, my friends do know who those 2 are. And that's because they were actual stars and practically impossible to not recognize if you've watched enough movies.

But hey, if it makes you all feel better we can just pretend my friends only watch Judd Apatow and Michael Bay movies who furiously masturbate to Megan Fox. That would be an apt description I presume, from all the assumptions being gathered here.

[Dark Knight]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised; after all, there are people who want Megan Fox to play Wonder Woman. Ugh.


I know.....embarassingly laughable isn't it?

[Lobo]

It's pretty hilarious seeing the women in this thread described as "Not sexy enough" to play Catwoman. The unimportance seems monumental, and, in any case, if any of these women were to be precluded from playing Catwoman, it sure as hell wouldn't be because they weren't sexy enough.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised; after all, there are people who want Megan Fox to play Wonder Woman. Ugh.

Don't remind me, she's a few votes away from being in the lead of the WW casting poll. :( And I'm someone who doesn't hate Megan Fox as an actress :wow: I just find her average and all wrong for :ww:

[Laderlappen]

I really do not see how this is any more different than any other actor that's been nominated for an Oscar every year. Forest Whitaker got it, Jamie Foxx got it, Phillip Seymour Hoffman got it, this year it's Mickey Rourke. Are any of them STARS because of it?They got respect and doors opened up for them. Isnt that what we're talking about? Not stardom. Forest and Jamie didnt make any near the performance heath made. But look at PSH. This is a guy who's got a career. After Capote, every movie he has made(minus MI3) has gotten great reviews, and every preformance he has made has gotten great reviews. And Im talking near oscar performance. Capote opened doors.


And ultimately didn't get it. I don't see how this does anything when it's not something that came to past. Do you have any idea how many times actors are in talks for a movie and don't get it? It happens with everyone. Actually, he turned them down/dropped.


He wasn't going anywhere BIG, until Joker came along. As I said, it's hard to gauge when this role came not long after his nomination. But before this, he was pretty under-the-radar. All these movies I mentioned proofs this. Now Im gonna cut you some slack because you thought he was turned down this parts.



And we're obviously putting Ledger on a ridiculous pedestal now. You're gonna judge someone's film knowledge based on whether or not they know Ledger? Are we serious here? This is like a music fan calling someone an uncultured moron, for not knowing or listening to John Mayer. They've received their fair share of accolades, but let's not pretend they're all of a sudden so important that they are a household name.

Now I'm forced to be rude here, but Ledger wasn't hot s**t before Joker. Yes, he had buzz for Brokeback, but every Oscar nominated actor has these 15 minutes, every single year. Ledger's was no different. His death and the Joker role have no doubt shot up his reputation to unbelievable levels, but it's important to note his status before this tragedy occurred.So you seem him as the John mayer of movies? Like I said before, Heath made one of the most criticually acclaimes and loved performances in over 10 years, and was the leading star in one of the most critically loved films in years, which lose is called 'biggest f'ck up ever by the academy' than any movie I know of. Heath wasnt the John Mayer of movies. Heath is more like Pearl Jam of rockmusic if this would have been 1994.


Actually, my friends do know who those 2 are. And that's because they were actual stars and practically impossible to not recognize if you've watched enough movies.

But hey, if it makes you all feel better we can just pretend my friends only watch Judd Apatow and Michael Bay movies who furiously masturbate to Megan Fox. That would be an apt description I presume, from all the assumptions being gathered here.That is really weird if they know those but not Heath. Pretty much all of my non-movie fans friends knew who Heath was before Brokeback.




Edit: I see now after reading you post that you didnt like him as an actor(pre-TDK) as much as most movie buffs do. That's fine we all have different opinions. But you must understand how loved and respected he was for Brokeback by movie buffs(including Coens, Malick, & Nolan). The way Daniel Day-Lewis talked about him on SAG Awards!

[elgato]

Made this, took me some time, hope you like

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[Laderlappen]

That is pretty great Elgato. And if I can go OT again, Marion is great example of what im talking about. She made a great fantastic performance and now stars in possibly 2 of the biggest movies of next year. She was cast before she won. The doors opened for her. The only difference between her and Heath was that she was a small foreign film and Heath was in the biggest film of 2005.
But that is a great manip.

[protoctista]

And this was shortly after his Oscar nomination. Before this, he had the potential, no doubt, but he wasn't really getting anywhere.
Sorry, my comments were referring to his potential at the time of being cast for The Dark Knight. So we're in complete agreeal. When I said Heath Ledger was hot property, I meant that he had all the stars lined up for a big, big career - he had the potential to become massive. This is what hollywood sees as 'hot' - the next big thing. Heath was definately the next big leading career man for all the reasons I stated in my previous post.





His performances were lauded, but he was stuck in movies that weren't that well-received. Even Candy was critically panned. So was a film directed by the highly respected Terry Gilliam.


Candy? Says who? I thought the movie was fantastic, not just because of the phenomenal performances. Brother's Grimm was hardly a hit, granted. Again, his career prior to the Dark Knight wasn't mainstream territory because he deliberately steered away from it. I read an interview in which he reflected on his career following The Patriot, and he states that he deliberately sought more interesting roles.

Might I state that despite a less-than-mainstream filmography he still had a teen-girl-fan-base as a heart-throb, and massive critical acclaim (from critics, rather than awards bodies).



Anyone who took an interest in films could have pointed out that Heath Ledger was a new kind of talented. They could also have pointed out that critics loved him - and that he had a teen-girl-fanbase that would swoon over him as a leading man. The latter was a factor behind Orlando Bloom's rise to fame, and the rest is prime indication of Oscars to come.

Heath Ledger being cast in the Dark Knight was hardly a gamble on the wildest horse - even if it shocked those who don't pay particular interest in films.




Forest Whitaker got it, Jamie Foxx got it, Phillip Seymour Hoffman got it, this year it's Mickey Rourke. Are any of them STARS because of it?

May I remind you of the academy's golden rule.

Best Actor/Actress winners are not as hot-property as those who got a nomination, caused a stir, but didn't quite get it.

It's a sad fact that most winners are subsequently employed in films purely for the name and the 'Oscar winner....' trailer credit. Alas for Forrest Whittaker (so far), Halle Berry, Jamie Foxx, Denzel Washington, Geoffey Rush, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Nicholas Cage.

The 'narrowly-missed the award' guys and gals are contenders for future films, they've still got places to go, potential, interest, hype.

Obviously there's plenty of exceptions, so dont come back at me with the greats like Meryl Streep, Day Lewis, Hanks two years-in-a-row. But it's a trend. Most actors and actresses since the 80's have had to really fight to get the most exciting roles having won an Oscar.




He wasn't going anywhere BIG, until Joker came along. As I said, it's hard to gauge when this role came not long after his nomination. But before this, he was pretty under-the-radar.
He was just waiting for the transferrence to mainstream - it was innevitable, whether leading in an oscar horse or a summer blockbuster (in this case, both). And no, he was not under the radar - he just wasn't mainstream.





And we're obviously putting Ledger on a ridiculous pedestal now. You're gonna judge someone's film knowledge based on whether or not they know Ledger? Are we serious here?

No, don't be trite.

But not knowing who Ledger was prior to The Dark Knight is pretty indicative.

It would mean that you didn't know about Brokeback Mountain and the oscar hype revolving around that - so didn't follow the awards seasons with any particular interest.

It would mean that you hadn't seen The Patriot, Monster's Ball, Candy, Ned Kelly, Lords of Dogtown, or Casanova. Granted these aren't all in the itinery of must-seen-films for the film literate, but that's an interesting chunk missing from this person's film knowledge - especially considering the acclaim for the former two.

It would also mean that you didn't read any film magazines regularly.

None of those exclude people who watch a large variety of films, but it begins narrowing it down, you'll have to admit.

None of my friends are into films the way I am, and they'd all heard of Ledger for various reasons even prior to Brokeback Mountain. He may, to you, have been 'under-the-radar', but he had fingers in a lot of pies (thanks to his own decisions)

Again, he was causing such a stir that I cant believe you deny him being the hottest **** in town prior to The Dark Knight. He didn't just have doors wide open - they were hanging off their hinges.








which lose is called 'biggest f'ck up ever by the academy' than any movie I know of.

Excuse me...

Citizen Kane??

[Laderlappen]

You're much better than on this Proto.

I was supposed to write in modern cinema as in 90's-today(even if I wrote the word 'ever'). I must have missed it.

[protoctista]

I couldnt hold back my rage at Citizen Kane being eschewed for the utterly forgettable melodrama 'How Green Was My Valley' at the mention of oscar cock-ups.

nor Hitchock's 6 nominations and no award, Peter O'Toole's absence of an award, Martin Scorsese to be denied Best Director 6 times - only to win for less respectable work.

As for recent blunders, I'd put Shakespeare In Love's farcicle trump over, American History X, Thin Red Line, Saving Private Ryan - or even the Truman Show. God. Just writing the name of that film makes me want to vomit.

[Laderlappen]

Oh I was just talking about Best Picture. And when we're on SiL, 1998 was one of the worst years ever by the academy.

[Johnny Drama]

Oh I was just talking about Best Picture. And when we're on SiL, 1998 was one of the worst years ever by the academy.


Why?

[RachelDawes]

Made this, took me some time, hope you like

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Nice. Marion almost always looks great in Catwoman manips. Makes me think Nolan should give her a call. :yay:

[Laderlappen]

Why?Like proto said SiL winning, Cate Blanchett losing, Roberto Benigni winning over Norton, McKellan, or even Bridges(who didnt even get nominated), total snub for The Big Lebowski.

[flickchick85]

Yet another great manip, elgato! That costume is pretty much exactly how I imagine Catwoman's. Well, + one set of goggles, that is. And of course, the casting's not half bad, either. ;)

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So Selina.


And '98 was just full of Oscar blunders, but unlike many, I wasn't too upset about SiL winning (Paltrow beating Blanchett is another story, though). I liked seeing something that was largely comedic win for once, just because of my personal stance that the Academy needs more respect for comedies. BUT The Thin Red Line was my Best Picture of '98, so I was a bit let down in that regard.

[Crook]

So you seem him as the John mayer of movies? Like I said before, Heath made one of the most criticually acclaimes and loved performances in over 10 years, and was the leading star in one of the most critically loved films in years, which lose is called 'biggest f'ck up ever by the academy' than any movie I know of. Heath wasnt the John Mayer of movies. Heath is more like Pearl Jam of rockmusic if this would have been 1994.
I'm not familiar with rock or Pearl Jam, so that analogy is lost on me. In any case, my point was that Heath wasn't this mega-known celeb that had a huge following. He was building his cred, and Brokeback certainly put him on the map. But really this was all just the beginning. As I said, he was getting to that point, but that was cut short.

That is really weird if they know those but not Heath. Pretty much all of my non-movie fans friends knew who Heath was before Brokeback.
There's a difference between knowing and being familiar with said actor. The former would indicate you actually seeing their work, the latter simply recognizing it.

Edit: I see now after reading you post that you didnt like him as an actor(pre-TDK) as much as most movie buffs do. That's fine we all have different opinions. But you must understand how loved and respected he was for Brokeback by movie buffs(including Coens, Malick, & Nolan). The way Daniel Day-Lewis talked about him on SAG Awards!
Not sure how you got that idea. I have liked his performances. He has 2 great ones under his belt, and a few good ones spread throughout some pretty so-so or forgettable films. I think he was a rare and fine talent, better than most young actors today. There is no doubt in my mind he had the potential to be such a huge force in Hollywood. But I am not gonna lie and say I think he was already at that point before he took on Joker.

Candy? Says who? I thought the movie was fantastic, not just because of the phenomenal performances. Brother's Grimm was hardly a hit, granted. Again, his career prior to the Dark Knight wasn't mainstream territory because he deliberately steered away from it. I read an interview in which he reflected on his career following The Patriot, and he states that he deliberately sought more interesting roles.
I'm not faulting him for going non-mainstream. I completely understand his desire to avoid being typecast as some heartthrob. I'm simply referring to the mediocre/so-so/non-existant critical response to his films. He performed well, but unfortunately the films he were in weren't up to par.

Heath Ledger being cast in the Dark Knight was hardly a gamble on the wildest horse - even if it shocked those who don't pay particular interest in films.
Casting anyone that didn't have a solidified "status" in Hollywood, to take on an iconic role made hugely popular by Jack f'n Nicholson IS a gamble. In hindsight, it's less difficult to harshly judge the decision because of the knowledge in how it all turned out. Ledger, technically speaking, was a proven character-actor. But the majority of the roles he performed weren't outstanding or made enough of an impact to really convince people that he was gonna be superb for this role. Hell, I remember even the most devout Ledger/Joker supporters were cautiously optimistic at best. NO ONE could have predicted how well he did.

He was just waiting for the transferrence to mainstream - it was innevitable, whether leading in an oscar horse or a summer blockbuster (in this case, both). And no, he was not under the radar - he just wasn't mainstream.
Yes, he wasn't there. He was on his way.

No, don't be trite.

But not knowing who Ledger was prior to The Dark Knight is pretty indicative.

It would mean that you didn't know about Brokeback Mountain and the oscar hype revolving around that - so didn't follow the awards seasons with any particular interest.

It would mean that you hadn't seen The Patriot, Monster's Ball, Candy, Ned Kelly, Lords of Dogtown, or Casanova. Granted these aren't all in the itinery of must-seen-films for the film literate, but that's an interesting chunk missing from this person's film knowledge - especially considering the acclaim for the former two.
The only truly interesting chunk would be Brokeback and Monster's Ball. The first is understandably going to be avoided by a large demographic due to subject material, and the second, while good, isn't a "must-see" in and of itself. So again, I do not think it is fair to judge someone because they have not seen Ledger's work. It wasn't that outstanding, really.

Again, he was causing such a stir that I cant believe you deny him being the hottest **** in town prior to The Dark Knight. He didn't just have doors wide open - they were hanging off their hinges.
I consider myself to be a pretty good follower of cinema in general. And from my experience, Ledger's name just wasn't buzzing post-Oscars as much as people have claimed. People were familiar with him, but not much more. TDK was what really put that huge spotlight on him. I'd wager an insane amount that Joker was what lured people into seeing his filmography when they otherwise would have not.


And '98 was just full of Oscar blunders, but unlike many, I wasn't too upset about SiL winning (Paltrow beating Blanchett is another story, though). I liked seeing something that was largely comedic win for once, just because of my personal stance that the [B]Academy needs more respect for comedies.
While I agree that certain genres are unfairly ignored by the higher-ups of cinema, I really can't put much of an argument behind them deserving the more prestigious awards such as Best Picture. Films in the horror, comedy, and action genre, for the most part, inherently contain less depth than dramas. So it's no surprise when they get "snubbed".

[Laderlappen]

You and I seem to be talking about 2 different things Crook. You're talking about fame, and I am talking about how much respect love he had and how all the doors opened for him at the time when he was cast as the joker.

No he was not the most famous actor in the world. But he wasnt an unknown exactly after Brokeback. The Dark Knight wasnt the movie that opened up doors for him, but yes it made him more famous. The Dark Knight was infact a big mainstreem blockbuster movie and Heath had the most interesting role in it. So when you're saying that the spotlight shined on him at The Dark Knight in terms of fame, then yes you're right.

If we go back to my original post about why he was never suggest, not one, 0 times, if they didnt because they didnt know him.

You sounded like you didnt care for him. Comparing him with John Mayer for example. But now I know you're talking about fame and I guess you can compare him.

I see now when you say 'brokeback put him on the map', you and I aren't really disagreeing with anything, just discussing 2 different things.

[Ace of Knaves]

When I heard Ledger was cast as Joker I originally was like WTF!!! But then I watched "Lords of Dogtown" and "Candy" and I instantly thought that this guy was more than a heartthrob, he showed he had a dark side in them movies. In fact, go and watch "Lords of Dogtown" now, the similarities between Skip and Joker are quite shocking really.

[protoctista]

I consider myself to be a pretty good follower of cinema in general. And from my experience, Ledger's name just wasn't buzzing post-Oscars as much as people have claimed.
That just isnt true.

Do you regularly read film magazines? Do you follow the early production and subsequent casting announcements? Because had you done so prior to the Dark Knight, you would have picked up that Heath Ledger was really going to go places after Brokeback Mountain - Laderlappen has already pointed out the roles in massive films that he turned down, his opportunities were huge.

No-one's saying he was famous. He wasn't mainstream. Which is why people who only take a passing interest in films hadn't heard of him.

But he was definately hot property. Hot property because every casting director in Hollywood knew what a star this guy had the potential to be. He could be a cheap lead for a film (remember that actors are paid as little as they will accept for the role in accordance with their career - case in point, Robert Downey Jr paid less than Terrence Howard), a cheap lead that would nevertheless be easy to work with (Heath had proven himself a commited actor), cause a real critical stir (Every critic was taking interest in the films he was attached to) and have a small indie following of impressed film fanatics and rabid teenage girls.

[elgato]

Yet another great manip, elgato! That costume is pretty much exactly how I imagine Catwoman's. Well, + one set of goggles, that is. And of course, the casting's not half bad, either. ;)

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Ok, soooo manipping that one

[flickchick85]

While I agree that certain genres are unfairly ignored by the higher-ups of cinema, I really can't put much of an argument behind them deserving the more prestigious awards such as Best Picture. Films in the horror, comedy, and action genre, for the most part, inherently contain less depth than dramas. So it's no surprise when they get "snubbed".
Couldn't agree more on on something like horror - the origins of that genre are so exploitative (in themes and attitudes toward women, etc) and mostly downright embarrassing. But I think comedies deserve more respect, as they have as big a role in the origins of contemporary storytelling as dramas, the good ones can have just as much depth as the dramas, and are often even more bold. Now, I'm not talking about the Apatow or Will Ferrell brand of comedy, and SiL isn't the best example, granted. But you can't tell me (well you can obviously, but we'd be in complete disagreement) that movies like Almost Famous, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or Brazil weren't at least one of the 5 best films of their years, if not the best. Yet they didn't even get a nod. But they got the "Sorry We Didn't Nominate You for Best Picture b/c of What Type of Film You Are" Award/nod aka Best Original Screenplay. SiL didn't reach their depths, but it did have depth, and it was smartly-written well-acted, so while it wouldn't be my choice of comedy to win, and I was rooting for The Thin Red Line, it was still nice to see a well-made comedy (well, dramedy) win, regardless.

I'm also of the opinion that good intelligent comedy takes more skill to pull off (both in writing, acting, and editing) than good drama. So that might have something to do with my stance, too. :cwink:

For the record, though, I feel the same way about science-fiction and fantasy, too, which is why I was ok with RotK winning even though I thought Master & Commander deserved it more (not more than the entire LotR trilogy, which was a huge achievement and really what PJ won for, imo, but more than that one entry into the trilogy).

....Aaand keeping this post somewhat on topic:

Ok, soooo manipping that one

Great, elgato! If you need any more inspiration, that's part of a whole shoot she did as the new face of Dior, all taken atop the Eiffel Tower. You can see the rest here (http://berlioux.free.fr/cpg1416/thumbnails.php?album=119), here (http://berlioux.free.fr/cpg1416/thumbnails.php?album=120), and here (http://berlioux.free.fr/cpg1416/thumbnails.php?album=118).

[batboy99]

Made this, took me some time, hope you like

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Good idea, but theres alot off about it.
Her arms are too skiny and her legs are too big.
And the mask,its not just this manip, its all of your catwoman ones. The way that its cut looks odd. It always looks too high and the eyeholes look like they're going into her eyes.

[regwec]

I distinctly know that is absolutely false.
Liar. The hallowed forums of BOF and IMDB both lauded her at the time.

At least here.
I wasn't referring to "here".

[Crook]

You and I seem to be talking about 2 different things Crook. You're talking about fame, and I am talking about how much respect love he had and how all the doors opened for him at the time when he was cast as the joker.

No he was not the most famous actor in the world. But he wasnt an unknown exactly after Brokeback. The Dark Knight wasnt the movie that opened up doors for him, but yes it made him more famous. The Dark Knight was infact a big mainstreem blockbuster movie and Heath had the most interesting role in it. So when you're saying that the spotlight shined on him at The Dark Knight in terms of fame, then yes you're right.

If we go back to my original post about why he was never suggest, not one, 0 times, if they didnt because they didnt know him.
I'm not doubting Brokeback was the project that opened doors for his career. But as I said earlier, this and Monster's Ball were really the only films he had that would have been worth a damn to a significant portion of the movie-going audience. At the same time, neither are so important to cinema that everyone has had the chance, or is seeking to watch them. Because of this, Ledger's name wasn't exactly household nor prominent for fanboy casting lists.

You sounded like you didnt care for him. Comparing him with John Mayer for example. But now I know you're talking about fame and I guess you can compare him.
I actually like John Mayer. :p

I brought him up because like Ledger, they do have a certain following and critical support, but not in a huge amount. On the opposing front there are people that did express dislike for their work or for whatever reason just have a disinterest, yet they are fully aware of who they are.

That just isnt true.

Do you regularly read film magazines? Do you follow the early production and subsequent casting announcements? Because had you done so prior to the Dark Knight, you would have picked up that Heath Ledger was really going to go places after Brokeback Mountain - Laderlappen has already pointed out the roles in massive films that he turned down, his opportunities were huge.

No-one's saying he was famous. He wasn't mainstream. Which is why people who only take a passing interest in films hadn't heard of him.

But he was definately hot property. Hot property because every casting director in Hollywood knew what a star this guy had the potential to be. He could be a cheap lead for a film (remember that actors are paid as little as they will accept for the role in accordance with their career - case in point, Robert Downey Jr paid less than Terrence Howard), a cheap lead that would nevertheless be easy to work with (Heath had proven himself a commited actor), cause a real critical stir (Every critic was taking interest in the films he was attached to) and have a small indie following of impressed film fanatics and rabid teenage girls.
I was familiar with the projects the fell through, like No Country and Tree of Life. Again, I'm more than aware that he did have projects lined up before TDK. But nothing noteworthy really came forth out of it post-Brokeback, pre-TDK. It was all "talks", no?

When commenting on "hot property", I was alluding to a status in an actor's career in which they have signed and delivered several films in a short amount of time due to a spark of interest. Given this, I would have not counted projects that almost happened, for obvious reasons.

If you want two good examples of what I mean, look no further than Christian Bale and Josh Brolin right now.

Couldn't agree more on on something like horror - the origins of that genre are so exploitative (in themes and attitudes toward women, etc) and mostly downright embarrassing.
I recommend watching 'Let the Right One In'. You may have heard of it by now, it's gotten lots of attention overseas. It's very much a horror movie, but it's done in a refreshing manner that it would probably attract those that hate the genre.

But I think comedies deserve more respect, as they have as big a role in the origins of contemporary storytelling as dramas, the good ones can have just as much depth as the dramas, and are often even more bold. Now, I'm not talking about the Apatow or Will Ferrell brand of comedy, and SiL isn't the best example, granted. But you can't tell me (well you can obviously, but we'd be in complete disagreement) that movies like Almost Famous, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or Brazil weren't at least one of the 5 best films of their years, if not the best. Yet they didn't even get a nod. But they got the "Sorry We Didn't Nominate You for Best Picture b/c of What Type of Film You Are" Award/nod aka Best Original Screenplay. SiL didn't reach their depths, but it did have depth, and it was smartly-written well-acted, so while it wouldn't be my choice of comedy to win, and I was rooting for The Thin Red Line, it was still nice to see a well-made comedy (well, dramedy) win, regardless.
Ah, well "Dramedies" would be the exception of that genre considering the implementations of both the serious/non-serious into a coherent story. As opposed to the typical comedy that keeps a consistent (funny) tone throughout the film.

Eternal Sunshine was a brilliant film, probably one of my top 25 films. It had it's fair share of funny moments, but I'd still say it was more of a drama.

I'm also of the opinion that good intelligent comedy takes more skill to pull off (both in writing, acting, and editing) than good drama. So that might have something to do with my stance, too. :cwink:
Hm, well I'm curious. What specifically are you referring to?

For the record, though, I feel the same way about science-fiction and fantasy, too, which is why I was ok with RotK winning even though I thought Master & Commander deserved it more (not more than the entire LotR trilogy, which was a huge achievement and really what PJ won for, imo, but more than that one entry into the trilogy).
Agreed. LOTR was a great stepping stone for the genre, which unfortunately has not been capitalized on by others. Sci-Fi seems to have gone down the toilet, too. I do hope to see a resurgence, as these 2 genres in particular are my absolute favorite types of films to watch.

Liar. The hallowed forums of BOF and IMDB both lauded her at the time.

I wasn't referring to "here".
Considering how awful those 2 forums are, I am not surprised. I am, however, surprised that you even browsed through those parts of town. In actuality, I'm sorta disappointed. :o

[Lucid]

Even if [Blanchett] put in a barn-storming performance I would still be like "Oh Cate was brilliant at playing Catwoman". But I wouldn't be like "Ohh she WAS Catwoman". See the thing that made Ledgers performance momumental is that it wasn't Ledger "playing" the Joker, he was the Joker. Same thing applies for Catwoman.LOL, but what made people feel that way about Ledger came out of pure acting. Heath Ledger is nothing like the Joker, but he transformed and made people believe that he was the Joker through sheer acting talent. Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. I bet that if Cate were cast we'd all come away saying "That was Catwoman!"

I think those who are saying Blanchett doesn't have the "look" or "sexiness" for Catwoman are 1) underestimating her acting ability because you'd be surprised how far that actually goes, and 2) underestimating the diversity of her looks. I don't know what the "look" is that you guys really want, but here are some pics of Blanchett in The Shipping News where she doesn't look like how she looks in other movies.

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[flickchick85]

I recommend watching 'Let the Right One In'. You may have heard of it by now, it's gotten lots of attention overseas. It's very much a horror movie, but it's done in a refreshing manner that it would probably attract those that hate the genre.
Yep, that one's already saved for my Netflix queue. Thank for the recommendation, though, I do look forward to seeing it whenever that may be.


Ah, well "Dramedies" would be the exception of that genre considering the implementations of both the serious/non-serious into a coherent story. As opposed to the typical comedy that keeps a consistent (funny) tone throughout the film.

Eternal Sunshine was a brilliant film, probably one of my top 25 films. It had it's fair share of funny moments, but I'd still say it was more of a drama.
Yeah, I guess "dramedies" are the exception, but I still consider them to be comedies at heart, b/c comedy has always been about finding the Funny in the drama of life. So the good comedies that have depth and meaning do need some drama for the comedy to come out of, imo. The way I see it, a movie is a comedy when it actually acknowledges and draws from the humor in a dramatic situation (more than comic relief, though), and a drama generally plays it straight and "heavy." But I'm sure everyone's definition of a genre is a little different.

Hm, well I'm curious. What specifically are you referring to? Well, drama's basically measured on one spectrum: how dramatic? You've got the low-key, subtle type of drama, all the way to the heavy-handed melodrama, and everything in between. There are only so many ways to go wrong: you're either too dramatic, or not enough for the viewer. And relatively speaking, it's pretty easy to manipulate people into buying drama. Well, melodrama, at least. I'm an editor, and I've done it, when the actors couldn't do it themselves.

But comedy is just a hard sell, b/c there are so many different styles and everyone has a different sense of humor. And every different style has its own rythm and comedic timing. If you're just slightly off, the whole thing falls completely flat, and your film is nothing. At least if you fail with drama, there are still things that could recommend your film - if the story didn't work, at least the acting did; if the acting sucked, maybe the music or cinematography almost sold it. But with comedy, you don't generally have those things to fall back on. The acting is part of the joke - either it works, or the joke doesn't. But the music or cinematography isn't gonna make it funnier, unless it is in on the joke. Either your jokes make people laugh, or they don't. You can't fool people into thinking something's funny if it's not something that they think is funny. Now, I will concede that if you have a crappy story in a comedy, you still have the jokes to fall back on, but you can't fall back on story when your jokes don't work.

Also, in a theater that's viewing a drama, silence is golden. No audience member knows how the rest of the audience feels about the movie, so if they walk out disappointed, thoughts like "Maybe I didn't get it?" or "That was too heavy for me" go through their head. Silence during a comedy is deafening. Everyone is collectively agreeing right then and there that your movie sucks, and they all walk out knowing they're right. And make no mistake, reactions of fellow audience members do affect a viewer's impressions of a film, whether they realize it or not.

Ya know, lots of little things like that make comedy the more daunting task imo. And speaking personally, the 2 or 3 comedic short films I edited back in school were the hardest projects I've ever worked on. The timing can be killed with one beat, it's crazy. Timing on drama tends to be much more flexible.

Agreed. LOTR was a great stepping stone for the genre, which unfortunately has not been capitalized on by others. Sci-Fi seems to have gone down the toilet, too. I do hope to see a resurgence, as these 2 genres in particular are my absolute favorite types of films to watch.
Yeah, I think they may be mine, too. It's a shame that they all seem so half-assed lately. Over the past 4 or 5 years, I can only think of 2 sci-fi flicks I've loved - Children of Men and Wall•E. Thankfully, television's been filling that void for me with BSG, but soon, I'll definitely be going through sci-fi withdrawl.


Wow, what's the topic again? Catwoman, right. Um...I'm still thinking Blanchett's beautiful to be sure, but the wrong type of beauty for this role.

[Laderlappen]

There are so much wrong in your post Crook that Im just gonna give up. But I see your point. Heath was never suggested because he was a serious dramatic actor and the minority of the comicbook fans sees serious dramatic movies. Still shock me how so many people can just ignore Brokeback Mountain. Its one of the best films of the decade, with one of the greatest acting performance of all time.

[Ace of Knaves]

There are so much wrong in your post Crook that Im just gonna give up. But I see your point. Heath was never suggested because he was a serious dramatic actor and the minority of the comicbook fans sees serious dramatic movies. Still shock me how so many people can just ignore Brokeback Mountain. Its one of the best films of the decade, with one of the greatest acting performance of all time.

Yea Brokeback Mountain never really interested me. But then a couple months back my GF made me watch it and I gotta say, it was frickin brilliant! How Heath didn't win is beyond me, I felt Jake could of maybe won as well. The last few scenes are so heart breaking. I consider my self pretty desensitized to anything but when Ennis went into Twists house and found that shirt with his blood on it and the very final scene where he is in his little shack on his own, just staring I was pretty close to tears. An outstanding film and outstanding performances.

[margon]

Marion Cotillard looks like she was dropped on her face

I wish Blanchett wasn't 40

[xero1186]

PLEASE no Angelina Jolie. PLEASE. It would just kill the franchise for me.

[Two-Face]

PLEASE no Angelina Jolie. PLEASE. It would just kill the franchise for me.

Don't watch it then.:whatever:

[Crook]

There are so much wrong in your post Crook that Im just gonna give up. But I see your point.
....:huh:

Heath was never suggested because he was a serious dramatic actor and the minority of the comicbook fans sees serious dramatic movies. Still shock me how so many people can just ignore Brokeback Mountain. Its one of the best films of the decade, with one of the greatest acting performance of all time.
What surprises me is why anyone would be shocked at a large portion of audiences not going to see Brokeback. The subject matter alone is an iffy topic to discuss, let alone view. It's also not a story that's too enticing to gain interest. And even ignoring all this, the way the story is presented is simply not for everyone.

The film is great, but it has several things going against it, especially here in America.

[Laderlappen]

Maybe Im too big of a movie-lover to understand. You see I dont understand how a movie like War of the Worlds which was a big hit that year has sucha bigger apeal than a movie like Brokeback. I litterally dont understand it. Besides it wasnt like nobody saw it. It was a pretty big hit.

[Ace of Knaves]

Maybe Im too big of a movie-lover to understand. You see I dont understand how a movie like War of the Worlds which was a big hit that year has sucha bigger apeal than a movie like Brokeback. I litterally dont understand it. Besides it wasnt like nobody saw it. It was a pretty big hit.

How is that hard to understand? It's about two gay guys having an affair while being married to women. That isn't exactly everyones cup of tea is it? Especially in America.

Now War of the Worlds was a re-make of a much loved sci fi film, directed by Speilburg and starring Tom Cruise. Of course that is going to be a bigger hit.

[Laderlappen]

WotW was a terrible film that looked terrible. I cant understand why anybody would pay money for that. I see 0 things appealing about it. Brokeback however looked wonderful and had the best reviews of the year.

[Ace of Knaves]

WotW was a terrible film that looked terrible. I cant understand why anybody would pay money for that. I see 0 things appealing about it. Brokeback however looked wonderful and had the best reviews of the year.

While i thought WOTW was ok, i do agree with you.

But as I said, stories about two gay cowboys who cheat on their wives aren't going to be mega popular with most of the average movie goers out there, especially in America. I thought it was brilliant myself, but i admit, i only watched it because my GF made me.

[Hunter Rider]

:whatever:

[Ace of Knaves]

:whatever:

Why are you rolling your eyes?

[Hunter Rider]

Why are you rolling your eyes?

Not at you dude, at opinion as fact guy and his "I'm a real movie fan" guff.

[Laderlappen]

I never called myself a REAL movie fan. Neither have I said my opinions are facts. I called myself a big movie fan. And I am, I love movies. What's wrong with that? Unless you're talking to someone else, dont make ***** up!

[Ace of Knaves]

Not at you dude, at opinion as fact guy and his "I'm a real movie fan" guff.

No worries man. :D

I never called myself a REAL movie fan. I called myself a big movie fan. And I am, I love movies. What's wrong with that?

Yea that's all good man, and you make some good points. But just realize nearly everyone on these boards are BIG movie fans and everyone has different opinions. You're not the only one. :hoboj:

[Hunter Rider]

I'm a huge movie fan, I own over 800 from various genres, eras and countries, it irks me when someone tries too make their opinion seem special b/c the "love film so much" as if someone who disagrees doesn't love films.

[Laderlappen]

Not ones have I done that. Its really offensive to say that. Ass hole

[Hunter Rider]

Not ones have I done that. Its really offensive to say that. Ass hole
Not wise, and you just did it a few posts ago genius.



Maybe Im too big of a movie-lover to understand. You see I dont understand how a movie like War of the Worlds which was a big hit that year has sucha bigger apeal than a movie like Brokeback. I litterally dont understand it. Besides it wasnt like nobody saw it. It was a pretty big hit.

[Brian Braddock]

Can anyone else feel a banning is about to happen?

[Brian Braddock]

Can anyone else feel a banning is about to happen?

[Laderlappen]

Not wise, and you just did it a few posts ago genius.You must be blind smart ass because not ones in that post do I say my opinion is right and others are wrong. But hey, I can do the same thing. Your opinion is not the right one. People have different opinions. Respect them. Stop going around saying saying your opinions is the only one that matters.

[Ace of Knaves]

Can anyone else feel a banning is about to happen?

na, he won't get banned. just a spanked bottom! :D

[Hunter Rider]

You must be blind smart ass because not ones in that post do I say my opinion is right and others are wrong. But hey, I can do the same thing. Your opinion is not the right one. People have different opinions. Respect them. Stop going around saying saying your opinions is the only one that matters.

Oh please, it's quite clear what you were saying with that first line, now un-ruffle your feathers and be thankful I'm not the vindictive type.

[Crook]

You must be blind smart ass because not ones in that post do I say my opinion is right and others are wrong. But hey, I can do the same thing. Your opinion is not the right one. People have different opinions. Respect them. Stop going around saying saying your opinions is the only one that matters.
Read the first sentence of your original post. It implies that if you weren't a fan of movies like Brokeback, you wouldn't be what is considered as a "big movie fan".

Not to mention that bringing up a semi-successful movie and expressing your confusion in it's massive support in comparison to Brokeback denotes disappointment towards that demographic. So yes, it could be seen as snobbish. Perhaps it's not what you meant, but that's how it came off.

[Laderlappen]

Ok, Im gonna break it down so you'll understand what I mean.

Maybe Im too big of a movie-lover to understand.Crook mentioned reasons why people would watch Brokeback. Reason outside the quality of the film(people being against gays or having trouble seeing a movie about gay people).
You see I dont understand how a movie like War of the Worlds which was a big hit that year has sucha bigger apeal than a movie like Brokeback. I litterally dont understand it. Besides it wasnt like nobody saw it. It was a pretty big hit. I dont understand why anybody would see it. That means I dont see anything appealing about it. Never do I say or mean that anybody is wrong for liking it.


Hunter, in the future dont tell people that they say something they havent or are something they aren't. Its not very nice. Its actually disrespectful.

Read the first sentence of your original post. It implies that if you weren't a fan of movies like Brokeback, you wouldn't be what is considered as a "big movie fan".

Not to mention that bringing up a semi-successful movie and expressing your confusion in it's massive support in comparison to Brokeback denotes disappointment towards that demographic. So yes, it could be seen as snobbish. Perhaps it's not what you meant, but that's how it came off.Well it wasnt what I meant. Even though I said I liked one film, and not another. I do never say my opinion was right and another ones wrong. I do however not bother writing 'I think' when I called it terrible, but everybody does that. Obviously there I was talking about my own opinion.

[Hunter Rider]

Hunter, in the future dont tell people that they say something they havent or are something they aren't. Its not very nice. Its actually disrespectful.


In future don't use the phrasing you did (Maybe I'm to much of a movie fan = clear elitist remark) and then there won't be any "mistakes" about your lack of respect.

[C. Lee]

Hunter, in the future dont tell people that they say something they havent or are something they aren't. Its not very nice. Its actually disrespectful.

That from the guy who just called people dumb ass and ass hole. Here's my warning to YOU....in the future, refrain from the name calling.

[Laderlappen]

When someone is disrespecful to you, its very normal Lee to be disrespectful back.

[batboy99]

LOL, but what made people feel that way about Ledger came out of pure acting. Heath Ledger is nothing like the Joker, but he transformed and made people believe that he was the Joker through sheer acting talent. Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. I bet that if Cate were cast we'd all come away saying "That was Catwoman!"

I think those who are saying Blanchett doesn't have the "look" or "sexiness" for Catwoman are 1) underestimating her acting ability because you'd be surprised how far that actually goes, and 2) underestimating the diversity of her looks. I don't know what the "look" is that you guys really want, but here are some pics of Blanchett in The Shipping News where she doesn't look like how she looks in other movies.

http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_022.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_029.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_051.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_052.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_053.jpg
I like her even more now....

[Brian Braddock]

Kate Blanchett;

Now that is an actress.

I'm not saying she's my choice for Catwoman or anything (she isn't) - I'm just using this post as an opportunity to express my appreciation of her talent.

[The Batkilt]

LOL, but what made people feel that way about Ledger came out of pure acting. Heath Ledger is nothing like the Joker, but he transformed and made people believe that he was the Joker through sheer acting talent. Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. I bet that if Cate were cast we'd all come away saying "That was Catwoman!"

I think those who are saying Blanchett doesn't have the "look" or "sexiness" for Catwoman are 1) underestimating her acting ability because you'd be surprised how far that actually goes, and 2) underestimating the diversity of her looks. I don't know what the "look" is that you guys really want, but here are some pics of Blanchett in The Shipping News where she doesn't look like how she looks in other movies.

http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_022.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_029.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_051.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_052.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_053.jpg

Until your post I would never have considered her. I know she's a good actress but I wouldn't have considered her for the role because of the 'look' aspect (not that she's unattractive by any means), but...yeah, how wrong do I feel now? :yay:

[hatebox]

Don't watch it then.:whatever:

Oh, I didn't know she'd already been cast...

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh, I didn't know she'd already been cast...

He's talking about IF she was cast don't watch it if you have a big problem with it.

[Two-Face]

Oh, I didn't know she'd already been cast...

I should have made myself more clearly, Don't watch thgen if Jolie was cast.
he or she will watch it anyway cos it's Batman & Catwoman on the big screen.
It Doesn't matter to me if Jolie is obvious or famous to play Selina but we all know she's perfect and she has acting.

[hatebox]

I know. I was merely suggesting that the guy had a right to be averse to the casting of Jolie and Two-Face made it sound like it was a done deal. As it is, I find Nolan casting someone like Jolie increasingly unlikely.

[Two-Face]

I never said it was done deal....

[Keyser Soze]

LOL, but what made people feel that way about Ledger came out of pure acting. Heath Ledger is nothing like the Joker, but he transformed and made people believe that he was the Joker through sheer acting talent. Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. I bet that if Cate were cast we'd all come away saying "That was Catwoman!"

I think those who are saying Blanchett doesn't have the "look" or "sexiness" for Catwoman are 1) underestimating her acting ability because you'd be surprised how far that actually goes, and 2) underestimating the diversity of her looks. I don't know what the "look" is that you guys really want, but here are some pics of Blanchett in The Shipping News where she doesn't look like how she looks in other movies.

http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_022.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_029.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_051.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_052.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_053.jpg

Cate Blanchett is an astounding actress, no doubt about it, but by the time Batman 3 gets round to filming, she'd be around 40 years old. Too old for Catwoman, I'd say. If they skewed young for Scarecrow and Joker, they're likely to do the same for Selina.

[regwec]

Considering how awful those 2 forums are, I am not surprised. I am, however, surprised that you even browsed through those parts of town. In actuality, I'm sorta disappointed. :o

Well, I found them before I found the 'hype. It's a bit like sucking your thumb vs masturbation.

[Lucid]

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[CaptainClown]

You're probably right. But Bale is getting older and they look similar in age and in the Benjamin Button trailer you can tell they clearly digitally made Blanchett look younger. I would say if Nolan wants her and she wants to do it, age shouldn't be an issue.
Spend money to digitally enhance Cate...get a younger actress
spend money to digitally enhance cate....get a younger actress

such a hard decision.

[Lucid]

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[Crook]

Well, Cate is the best actress in the world and no one else can do what she does.
This is in absolutely no way to undermine the character, but you don't need the best actress in the world for Catwoman.

[Laderlappen]

You need a f'cking good one though.

[Lucid]

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[Cunning Stunts]

Well, Cate is the best actress in the world and no one else can do what she does. Besides, I don't think she needs digital enhancing anyway. I think she looks great, I was just responding to "if age was the only issue."

Digital enhancement is a moot point anyway. Make-up can do it on its own.

[speedracer216]

yikes. from this poll, anyone but Jessica Biel (nasty). but who needs catwoman anyway?

btw, i worked with Marion Cotillard on the set of public enemies. i was a stand-in for Carter Baum.

[Dark Knight]

LOL, but what made people feel that way about Ledger came out of pure acting. Heath Ledger is nothing like the Joker, but he transformed and made people believe that he was the Joker through sheer acting talent. Cate Blanchett is capable of the same thing. I bet that if Cate were cast we'd all come away saying "That was Catwoman!"

I think those who are saying Blanchett doesn't have the "look" or "sexiness" for Catwoman are 1) underestimating her acting ability because you'd be surprised how far that actually goes, and 2) underestimating the diversity of her looks. I don't know what the "look" is that you guys really want, but here are some pics of Blanchett in The Shipping News where she doesn't look like how she looks in other movies.

http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_022.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_029.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_051.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_052.jpg
http://cate-gallery.com/albums/movies/captures/shippingnews/PDVD_053.jpg



I love Cate Blanchett, she is a heckuva an actress. One of the best going today....and I would definitely not be opposed to her as Catwoman. She just needs to tone up a bit.

I find her to be very sexy actually!

[Crook]

yikes. from this poll, anyone but Jessica Biel (nasty). but who needs catwoman anyway?

btw, i worked with Marion Cotillard on the set of public enemies. i was a stand-in for Carter Baum.
Sooo...any info on how well Marion pulls off an American accent?

[cerealkiller182]

she'll have one in Public Enemies i assume

[batboy99]

^Thats why he's asking.


As for Cates age, shes only like what? 2 or 3 years older than Bale. Not a big deal really.

[Two-Face]

I prefer my Catwoman like Angelina Jolie. Can't say the same about Cate.

[batboy99]

ok.....

[The Dark Defender]

WotW was a terrible film that looked terrible. I cant understand why anybody would pay money for that. I see 0 things appealing about it. Brokeback however looked wonderful and had the best reviews of the year.

I agree with the WOTW part, but Brokeback Mountain was even worse. One of the worst films I've suffered through in the past five years and a shining example of why I put no stock in critics or the academy.

Anyways, I'd go with Monica Bellucci for Catwoman...as for the age thing, Jolie looks over 40 anyway.

Out of the people on the list, I'd go with Eliza Dushku. Other than her and Beckinsale, I don't think I'd even remotely like to see anyone up there as Catwoman.

[batboy99]

Monica would fit WW so much better.

[Crook]

Anyways, I'd go with Monica Bellucci for Catwoman...as for the age thing, Jolie looks over 40 anyway.
Bellucci can't hide her accent, and she looks about a decade too old for the part. As for Jolie looking over 40:

http://i36.tinypic.com/2q0u32p.jpg

Really? May I get your residence? I'd love to swoop by and take a gander at your hot cougars that apparently look as young as that for their age. :o

[batboy99]

Jolie looks her age, maybe a year or two older, but not much.

[flickchick85]

Bellucci is certainly very pretty, but next to Bale, I think she'd look a bit cougar-ish. More so than Blanchett, who also looks too old for him, imo.

[Melkay]

Well, Cate is the best actress in the world and no one else can do what she does. Besides, I don't think she needs digital enhancing anyway. I think she looks great, I was just responding to "if age was the only issue."

Not even the best actress in the world can compete against a lesser actress that's much more suitable for one specific role. See, I wouldn't have Blanchett play Edith Piaf as I wouldn't make Cotillard play Elizabeth I. They would be both excellents in their roles because they're both terrific actresses, but they wouldn't be as perfect as they were in their actual roles.

And hey, Blanchett reprised her Elizabeth, and Cotillard snatched the Best Actress oscar out of her hands. That's right, Cotillard did beat Blanchett in the oscars. Why? Because there are a number of factors in the superiority of a performance, and just because Blanchett was competing didn't make the performance the best one.

She's not the best actress in the world. That's ridiculous. She's very charismatic, but I don't think there's a way to measure and compare acting skills. Plus, Judi Dench is still alive.

[dark phenom]

Charlize Theron or Kate Beckinsale, they've both looked great in black suits. :D

[flickchick85]

Not even the best actress in the world can compete against a lesser actress that's much more suitable for one specific role. See, I wouldn't have Blanchett play Edith Piaf as I wouldn't make Cotillard play Elizabeth I. They would be both excellents in their roles because they're both terrific actresses, but they wouldn't be as perfect as they were in their actual roles.

And hey, Blanchett reprised her Elizabeth, and Cotillard snatched the Best Actress oscar out of her hands. That's right, Cotillard did beat Blanchett in the oscars. Why? Because there are a number of factor in the superiority of a performance, and just because Blanchett was competing didn't make he performance the best one.
Well said, and ITA (though her performance in Elizabeth outshines the performance in the sequel, simply because the material was better). Blanchett may or may not be a more talented actress than Marion Cotillard (at this point, I think that's a tough call), but if she were, that wouldn't automatically make Blanchett better-suited for every role out there than her. And that doesn't just apply to Cotillard, obviously.

[Lucid]

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[Laderlappen]

I agree with the WOTW part, but Brokeback Mountain was even worse. One of the worst films I've suffered through in the past five years and a shining example of why I put no stock in critics or the academy.Really? One of the worst? To me its one of the best films of the last few years. Better than The Dark Knight.

[Two-Face]

I agree with the WOTW part, but Brokeback Mountain was even worse. One of the worst films I've suffered through in the past five years and a shining example of why I put no stock in critics or the academy.

Anyways, I'd go with Monica Bellucci for Catwoman...as for the age thing, Jolie looks over 40 anyway.

Out of the people on the list, I'd go with Eliza Dushku. Other than her and Beckinsale, I don't think I'd even remotely like to see anyone up there as Catwoman.




She's 33. a year younger than 34 Christian Bale


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/angelina_jolie-2.jpg

[Two-Face]

Really? One of the worst? To me its one of the best films of the last few years. Better than The Dark Knight.


It's a different genre, I wouldn't say it's better than TDK.

[Laderlappen]

Charlize Theron or Kate Beckinsale, they've both looked great in black suits. :DThey were both not very special in their roles though.

[Dark Knight]

She's 33. a year younger than 34 Christian Bale


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/angelina_jolie-2.jpg



Angeline Jolie is beautiful and I don't know how anyone can say she looks over 40??

Nonsense!

[Dark Knight]

Well said, and ITA (though her performance in Elizabeth outshines the performance in the sequel, simply because the material was better). Blanchett may or may not be a more talented actress than Marion Cotillard (at this point, I think that's a tough call), but if she were, that wouldn't automatically make Blanchett better-suited for every role out there than her. And that doesn't just apply to Cotillard, obviously.




I haven't seen Cotillard in enough movies to make a judgement on whether or not she would be a good Catwoman. I wonder if she can carry a good American accent?

Jolie is still my #1 choice. The talk of her bringing unecessary baggage to the role is hogwash IMO.

I would also like to see what Natalie Portman has to offer as well.

[StorminNorman]

People need to really REALLY stop with this "Blanchett for Catwoman" nonsence.

Casting Blanchett for Catwoman would be like casting Denzel Washington as the Joker - being a fantastic actor does not mean you are fit for any role.

[Ace of Knaves]

People need to really REALLY stop with this "Blanchett for Catwoman" nonsence.

Casting Blanchett for Catwoman would be like casting Denzel Washington as the Joker - being a fantastic actor does not mean you are fit for any role.

lolz.

That is a great way of putting it.

[Laderlappen]

It has been going on for 4 days. The "Kate Beckinsale for Catwoman" nonsence has been going on for years.

[flickchick85]

^Haha, so true.

But honestly, I can understand it. I definitely don't agree with it, but it's pretty easy to see why that one persists.

I haven't seen Cotillard in enough movies to make a judgement on whether or not she would be a good Catwoman. I wonder if she can carry a good American accent?
Well, we'll find out soon enough, I suppose. The trailer for Public Enemies is supposed to be released this month, so we might get a brief snippet of it in that, and of course the movie comes in the summer. In the mean time, if you get the chance, I highly recommend checking out some of her French films. La Vie En Rose, Love Me if You Dare, and A Very Long Engagement are all must-sees, imo. But she's shown off some great Selina-esque in several of her other films as well.

[StorminNorman]

Kate Beckinsale is more justified. Not because she is a great actress, no - not at all, but at least she LOOKS like the character. Fanboys almost always go for looks.

I mean I could buy a guy like Armie Hammer as Batman before I could by Andy Serkis - when dealing with iconic characters, looks are more important than talent.

That being said I want both and I don't support Beckinsale at all.

[Laderlappen]

Andy Serkis isnt that talanted though. But no I cant agree with you looks being more important than acting.

[Crook]

Andy Serkis isnt that talanted though.
:facepalm

[Laderlappen]

Im just saying you cant compare Andy Serkis with Cate Blanchett.

[batboy99]

People need to really REALLY stop with this "Blanchett for Catwoman" nonsence.

Casting Blanchett for Catwoman would be like casting Denzel Washington as the Joker - being a fantastic actor does not mean you are fit for any role.
Says the guy who wants a girl who looks like shes 12 as Catwoman

















































:p

[Michellemabelle]

Shawnee Smith (The Blob, Saw).

[Salemdog]

It's been a while since I put my two cents in here and she's probably been listed but the more I see Olivia Wilde in House the more I like her look and style. Kickin body too.

http://www.aboutwomyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/olivia_wilde_04.jpg

http://www.watchinghouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/olivia3.jpg


Plus she's not a big name film actress. Might be up Nolan's alley for a Kyle or maybe even a Talia

[JokerLedger]

I've always been in the Kate Beckinsale camp... since Batman Begins came out and I still think she'd be perfect.

But how about Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman fame? I didn't really consider her until I saw her in the Terminator Salvation trailer.

http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/imagesflickr3/20080421_moonbloodgood.jpghttp://www.divavillage.com/images/Oct05/moon_plumeeyes.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEt9TneqsqQ

her talking about christian bale was pretty mdan funny.

[mrbrownie]

My vote: Olga Kurylenko.

She can pull every look you want, from whorish to innocent girl to crazy ass vampire beetch. She can act (please don't judge her just from Quantum). She's incredible hot, has an amazing body. She looks good both, tanned (if you go more for the italian/mediterranean look) or can look really white, if you go with the black hair, really white skin look.

I'm actually working on a Catwoman illustration based on her, so for reference I had to get my hands of lot of pics in different poses. :cwink:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8730/hitmanpromos001mg1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4867/normal006st3.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5328/maximusdecember2008008zx4.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5746/maximusdecember2008007el2.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4659/maximgermanydecember200pz6.jpg
Tell me that doesn't scream "Selina Kyle"?

And one more...
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3344/instylenovember2008005wu1.jpg

[Melkay]

^ No, she doesn't scream "Selina". She screams "Selina Kyle's daughter coming back for revenge".... or maybe "Huntress". Kurylengo would be a perfect huntress.

But she doesn't scream Selina. Maybe just a whisper.

[Verdammt]

My vote: Olga Kurylenko.

She can pull every look you want, from whorish to innocent girl to crazy ass vampire beetch. She can act (please don't judge her just from Quantum). She's incredible hot, has an amazing body. She looks good both, tanned (if you go more for the italian/mediterranean look) or can look really white, if you go with the black hair, really white skin look.

I'm actually working on a Catwoman illustration based on her, so for reference I had to get my hands of lot of pics in different poses. :cwink:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8730/hitmanpromos001mg1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4867/normal006st3.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5328/maximusdecember2008008zx4.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5746/maximusdecember2008007el2.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4659/maximgermanydecember200pz6.jpg
Tell me that doesn't scream "Selina Kyle"?

And one more...
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3344/instylenovember2008005wu1.jpg

She was pretty hot in Hitman.

[Dark Knight]

I've always been in the Kate Beckinsale camp... since Batman Begins came out and I still think she'd be perfect.

But how about Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman fame? I didn't really consider her until I saw her in the Terminator Salvation trailer.

http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/imagesflickr3/20080421_moonbloodgood.jpghttp://www.divavillage.com/images/Oct05/moon_plumeeyes.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEt9TneqsqQ

her talking about christian bale was pretty mdan funny.



Yeah she is hot....but Nolan will get an overall better actress for sure.

[Dark Knight]

She was pretty hot in Hitman.



Another actress who has the looks, but lacks the acting chops for Nolan at this time IMO.

Nolan will aim for better....and he will most likely get it.

[Citadel30]

Dont be surprised if scarlett johanssen(sp?) gets a good look.

1) she is a very versatile actress- can express alot of facial emotion yet also get down and dirty physical

2) Nolan has used her before in the Prestige- so her, bale and nolan have worked together and herself and bale had good on screen chemistry.

3) She is smoking hottt!!! :-)

[Crook]

2) Nolan has used her before in the Prestige- so her, bale and nolan have worked together and herself and bale had good on screen chemistry.

Completely disagreed.

[hatebox]

Completely disagreed.

They only had about 2 very short scenes together in fairness. Prestige is a great movie but Scarlett was wallpaper in it.

[Citadel30]

2 short scenes?? really? I thought it was more than that..

well.... THOSE 2 SHORT SCENES ROCKED!!! :applaud

[Brian Braddock]

I've always been in the Kate Beckinsale camp... since Batman Begins came out and I still think she'd be perfect.

But how about Moon Bloodgood of Journeyman fame? I didn't really consider her until I saw her in the Terminator Salvation trailer.

http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/imagesflickr3/20080421_moonbloodgood.jpghttp://www.divavillage.com/images/Oct05/moon_plumeeyes.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEt9TneqsqQ

her talking about christian bale was pretty mdan funny.

Damn, she's hot. I'm firmly in the Beckinsale camp too though.

Dont be surprised if scarlett johanssen(sp?) gets a good look.

1) she is a very versatile actress- can express alot of facial emotion yet also get down and dirty physical

2) Nolan has used her before in the Prestige- so her, bale and nolan have worked together and herself and bale had good on screen chemistry.

3) She is smoking hottt!!! :-)

Completely disagreed.

Agreed, Crook.

There was palpable chemistry between the two.

Beckinsale however, showed chemistry with Bale when they played a couple in Laurel Canyon.

[Citadel30]

Damn, she's hot. I'm firmly in the Beckinsale camp too though.

Beckinsale however, showed chemistry with Bale when they played a couple in Laurel Canyon.


I do love Becks... she would be a fine selection- but I think its going to be hard for her to break away from her "Underworld" comparisons.

eh- who knows.... Nolan will make the right decision for us. :woot:

[flickchick85]

I actually don't think Bale had chemistry with Beckinsale OR Johansson. It's been discussed here before, but Bale generally doesn't have a lot of chemistry with his female co-stars. A rule which Catwoman would hopefully be an exception to, of course.

And I thought Scarlett was definitely the weak link in The Prestige.

[Crook]

I tend to feel that the majority of the grunt work will be spearheaded by Selina. Bruce doesn't really do much in terms of the lovey-dovey. As long as he has a convincing lustful gaze or whatever you wanna call it, then his job is done, lol. He's still the grim playboy who finds it hard to be emotionally attached.

Selina's the one that'll have to do all the work in this "relationship". Looking back at the chemistry Keaton and Pfeiffer had, it was subtly explosive. I can't even pinpoint what exactly Keaton did there, because he said so very little. Though it was probably those eyes and devilish brows. Ditto for Michelle. Rawr. :o

[Laderlappen]

To be fair, Bale hasnt worked with many great actresses. I dont wanna blame him.

[Crook]

We'll be seeing him with one in Terminator. And I would guess it's an integral romantic relationship. So he'll have no excuse there if he fails. :o

[Citadel30]

Nolan will probably end up going with someone who will leave us all scratching our heads wondering wtf is he doing???

and then we will all be blown away- as usual.

[batdude]

O.K I can't take anymore. I think Eliza Dushku and Olga Kurylenko are just as good as actresses as Kate Beckinsale. Nolan's track record isn't perfect either after Katie Holmes.

[Laderlappen]

We'll be seeing him with one in Terminator. And I would guess it's an integral romantic relationship. So he'll have no excuse there if he fails. :oHelena? Do they share many scenes together?

[Laderlappen]

Nolan will probably end up going with someone who will leave us all scratching our heads wondering wtf is he doing???

and then we will all be blown away- as usual.Speak for yourself.

[Crook]

Helena? Do they share many scenes together?
Actually I was referring to Bryce. She plays his wife.

[Laderlappen]

Bryce Dallas Howard? Ok. I've never seen Manderlay so Im unaware of her talent.

[flickchick85]

Yeah, whoever plays Catwoman is definitely gonna have to do most of the work in selling the relationship to the audience, but like Crook said, that kinda works for the characters anyway. Bale's just gonna have to break his stoic demeanor a once or twice and let a little vulnerability or uncertainty, along with a little enjoyment, slip through the cracks to let us know that yeah, this one's different.

[Dark Knight]

Another rumor is that Rachel Weisz may be considered for the role.

I think she would be a good choice, but of course she would need to tone up that body of hers.

[bunk]

Weisz would be amazing if it happened.

[Mindreaper21]

I just read about that. Rachel would be such a hot Catwoman. I'd llove to hear her say "meow" mmmmm! :woot:

[Caped Crusader]

Rachel Weisz. :word:

[flickchick85]

Weisz would be a great choice. That's the first realistic rumor I've heard since the rumor frenzy started on this one.

[Melkay]

Yeah, whoever plays Catwoman is definitely gonna have to do most of the work in selling the relationship to the audience, but like Crook said, that kinda works for the characters anyway. Bale's just gonna have to break his stoic demeanor a once or twice and let a little vulnerability or uncertainty, along with a little enjoyment, slip through the cracks to let us know that yeah, this one's different.

I've always thought that was the main flaw of the way comic writers keep designing their relationship: Catwoman all teasy, talky and active... Batman largely silent, passive and restrained. And I don't like that. It feels to unbalanced and predictable. Hopefully, if they choose Catwoman, they won't go with that route.

And yes, Bale's chemistry with the actress is going to be really important. The only real vibe I felt between Bale and an actress was in The Prestige with Rebecca Hall... but that's mainly because she was the only great female performance in the film.

And, again, here I am reposting something for laughs (and to do some more lobbying for Marion)...

Marion is a Libra, Bale's an Aquarius :woot:... both are Europeans, both come from artistic families, both were child actors, both started in small films and both have performed chamaleonic roles with termendous physical transformation. Hell, they're both activists for Greenpeace and animal life rights.
Bottom line... I don't know about chemistry, but they would surely get along. :cwink:

And please God, please... don't let it be Weisz. Let it be Cotillard. Please, let it be Cotillard.

[Crook]

I've always thought that was the main flaw of the way comic writers keep designing their relationship: Catwoman all teasy, talky and active... Batman largely silent, passive and restrained. And I don't like that. It feels to unbalanced and predictable. Hopefully, if they choose Catwoman, they won't go with that route.
And how would you have it portrayed? Particularly Batman?

[Melkay]

More violent perhaps. Batman wouldn't have a criminal so close to him, not matter what he/she would say. Not letting her talk so much, not listening to what she says... talking to her while figuring out a way of catching her, of not letting her go. Putting some hidden tracer (nothing new, by the way).

Of course, that's from the top of my head. Overall, things that would portray Batman more active and less cooperative... after all, she's a criminal. Why would he let her access so much to him? In the comics, he seems to be quite unprotective around her, always letting her come too close. Wrong.

[Crook]

But if he doesn't let her close, thereby opening up vulnerability, then there is no Batman/Catwoman "relationship". Such a big part of their dynamic is that they're two opposing forces that are compatible but are at moral odds. Sure they'll be fighting each other off, but they should be an unspoken bond between the two as well.

Have you seen the TNBA short "Chase Me"? It's basically a musical montage of the two. Perfectly sums them up without any use of dialog:

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[ChrisB]

I think Keri Russel looks a lot like Michelle Pfeifer!

[Melkay]

Crook: I get it, and I want to see that too. My main concern is taht too many writers take this dynamic for granted, Batman and Catwoman face each other and they enter that role-playing of theirs from the start. And that shouldn't be taken for granted. No, it has to evolve from a normal Batman-criminal relationship, until he realizes she's no common criminal. Until that moment, he should be more cautious and less vulnerable with her.

[mrbrownie]

Another actress who has the looks, but lacks the acting chops for Nolan at this time IMO.

Nolan will aim for better....and he will most likely get it.

How do you know she lacks the acting chops? Have you seen her in other movie beside popcorn movies like Hitman, or Max Payne?

Take a look at L'Annulaire o Paris, Je t'aime (in which she plays a vampire in Quartier de la Madeleine with Elijah Wood). If you have seen them, and still don't thinks she has the "talent" to work it off as Catwoman, then we disagree, but I respect your opinion.

[mrbrownie]

O.K I can't take anymore. I think Eliza Dushku and Olga Kurylenko are just as good as actresses as Kate Beckinsale. Nolan's track record isn't perfect either after Katie Holmes.

The sad thing is that Eliza Dushku, is always the same character, ironically her breakout performance as Faith, it's her most different one. And I think she has a pretty but really weird face. Kate... KATE KATE KATE... I love her, she and Sienna Miller are my English crushes, but I don't think she has the spice to be Catwoman, but she can act, not Motherfrecking hardcore method acting as some people here on the boards think it's a requirement rather than a bonus to have in an actor/actress working in a Batmovie, just because two (correct me if I'm wrong) of the so many actors in both BB and TDK are method actors, and it seems that the other ones, are just really damn good at "normal" acting (Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Cilian Murphy, Michael Caine, etc.) So my vote goes to Olga, a fresh face and a small timer, not yet corrupted by Hollywood breaks (Please even Quantum wasn't that Hollywoodesque). She can act, she's hot, she's a chameleon (just look at other pictures of her), perfect choice. Again, for those trolls this wall-o-text is MY OPINION.

[mrbrownie]

Rachel Weisz. :word:
Really?
She's cute, has a great body, can act. Find her a little small and not so slim and curvy, but those are small issues (for me, atleast). I don't think she has the spice for it, the RARGH mmeeeeOW!, you know? I may be wrong, anyone has a clip where she's "Holy ****!, she's so dominant and kinky I want her to spank me?" or at least do think that she can pull that off?
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2230/rachelweisz046hu1.jpg

[hegele]

I love Wiesz, I think she could pull off anything Nolan would ask of her.

She needs a career boost now.

[Oddzball]

The problem with the listed names on the poll is they're all Movie actresses. Sasha Alexander, fomerly of NCIS would be great in the role.

[JokerLedger]

How do you know she lacks the acting chops? Have you seen her in other movie beside popcorn movies like Hitman, or Max Payne?

Take a look at L'Annulaire o Paris, Je t'aime (in which she plays a vampire in Quartier de la Madeleine with Elijah Wood). If you have seen them, and still don't thinks she has the "talent" to work it off as Catwoman, then we disagree, but I respect your opinion.


She did almost NOTHING in that short though. Not a good example of showing off her acting chops.

[Crook]

The problem with the listed names on the poll is they're all Movie actresses.
As opposed to...?

:lmao:

[Caliboy]

i wish there were rooftop chase scenes in this new movie,not with vehicles

[Ace of Knaves]

i wish there were rooftop chase scenes in this new movie,not with vehicles

Yea Batman vs Deathstroke would be an epic battle on top of Gothams rooftops in the rain or something.

But anyway, I'm not sure about Weisz. She seems too, I dunno, English rose style. I don't think she has the acting chops to pull of menacing or slightly unhinged like I would imagen Selina Kyle to me.

[Two-Face]

Another rumor is that Rachel Weisz may be considered for the role.

I think she would be a good choice, but of course she would need to tone up that body of hers.

Link?

[jmc]

Another rumor is that Rachel Weisz may be considered for the role.

I think she would be a good choice, but of course she would need to tone up that body of hers.

Pure rumour at this stage but yes she would be a solid choice as Catwoman.

[donk70]

I've been a fan of hers since the 1st Mummy movie. She would be an excellent choice, IMO

[Laderlappen]

Really?
She's cute, has a great body, can act. Find her a little small and not so slim and curvy, but those are small issues (for me, atleast). I don't think she has the spice for it, the RARGH mmeeeeOW!, you know? I may be wrong, anyone has a clip where she's "Holy ****!, she's so dominant and kinky I want her to spank me?" or at least do think that she can pull that off?Anybody can do that. Even somebody like Ellen Page can do that. Its a easy as kicking a ball and probably the easiest part of the character.

[Laderlappen]

The problem with the listed names on the poll is they're all Movie actresses. Sasha Alexander, fomerly of NCIS would be great in the role.Sure, because what is a resume? Why pick somebody that has proven to be able to give a great performance? Why pick a movie actress for a movie? Why pick an actress that has given oscar-worthy performances when we can pick somebody that has not? Why not pick a random person based on nothing?

[Two-Face]

Why wouldn't they pick movie actress for an Batman movie? I mean it is a movie after all....

[Cunning Stunts]

Anybody can do that. Even somebody like Ellen Page can do that. Its a easy as kicking a ball and probably the easiest part of the character.

Do it then.

[MiniBond]

I've been a fan of hers since the 1st Mummy movie. She would be an excellent choice, IMO

me too....I was right about Olga Kurylenko being a potential Bond girl, maybe I'll also be right this time around :woot:

http://mimg.sulekha.com/rachel-weisz/Stills/Rachel%20Weisz31.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

me too....I was right about Olga Kurylenko being a potential Bond girl, maybe I'll also be right this time around :woot:

http://mimg.sulekha.com/rachel-weisz/Stills/Rachel%20Weisz31.jpg

I agree 100%. Rachel was my first choice when rumors began floating around. I'd love to see her do it, moreso than Angelina.