The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Harley Quinn]

^^
What does that even mean?


it means that any time there is a female involved with a casting idea, it's more of who you want to sperminate than great casting.

[Crook]

If I may to interject, that "mindset" logically applies to the character. I realize as a female, that casting actresses based on sexuality is overtly nauseating, but in an instance such as this....it is necessary.

I don't know why it's a surprise that females who don't look sexy/hot enough are immediately rejected for this role. Catwoman must look appealing. And yes, even to the lowest common denominator. This does not imply we do not care about acting merits, just that we prefer an actress that has both traits from the get-go.

[The Major]

Crook:

Have you seen Headey on Sarah Connor Chronicles? She's excellent in that.

[Crook]

Yes, I watch that show regularly. She's fine as Sarah, but that's exactly why I can't see her as Selina. They're both tough women, but completely leagues apart in terms of look and general presence.

[mrbrownie]

I like Rachel McAdams but those 2 pics are extremely unflattering.

I put that picture because she looks good as a short-haired brunnette, which resembles Selina.

But indeed, those pictures are unflattering for her breasts, which are really nice. :word:

[firstclassclown]

I just found this on IMDB posted today!











Rachel Weisz As Catwoman?

16 December 2008 11:00 PM, PST | From toxicshock.tv (http://www.toxicshock.tv/) | See recent toxicshock news (http://www.imdb.com/news/ns0000031/)
While there is no official word on this, Hollywood rumors are indicating today that Rachel Weisz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001838/) could be tapped to portray Selina Kyle, aka The Catwoman, in the third Nolan Batman movie, a sequel to this past summer’s smash hit “The Dark Knight (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/)”. While Warner Bros will not comment on the rumor or even on the state of any pre-production on another Batman movie, others indicate a strong possibility about the Weisz rumor. The rumor is the latest in expected casting rumors for what would be the third in director Christopher Nolan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634240/)’s take on the DC Comics character, including Philip Seymour Hoffman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000450/) as the bird-themed gangster The Penguin, and Johnny [...]
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[The Major]

first:

The producer's want Weitz, Nolan hasn't commented.

[Two-Face]

I think it's Warner Bros who want Weisz.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, exactly the same thing happened with Johnny Depp and P.S.H. The producers might want them, but that don't mean **** if Nolan hasn't had anything to do with it.

[Two-Face]

Nolan would be concerned how to do a story for Batman 3, it will be hard to top The Dark Knight and casting is the last resort for time been.

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly. The story and what characters to use needs to be figured out first.

[Two-Face]

Though Heath Leadger (R.I.P) was offered the role before the script, am I correct?

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think so. Apparently he approached Nolan first and gave him his ideas of how Joker would be portrayed in this bat-verse. They both had the same feelings and ideas and the rest is history.

[Lobo]

Never believe anything that comes from imdb.

[Harley Quinn]

If I may to interject, that "mindset" logically applies to the character. I realize as a female, that casting actresses based on sexuality is overtly nauseating, but in an instance such as this....it is necessary.

nolan casted batman's love interest. let's see... she has a face of a pug, her skin sags like a 90 year old woman and constantly looks like she has a piece of dog dung on her tongue. not one, but two men fight over maggie gyllenhaal. i would think in that case it would be necessary but i guess not to nolan...?

by the way, just because i'm a female does not mean casting a female character with sexuality is a bad thing, i just don't want to see a bimbo like megan fox play an iconic role. a lot of people look up to batman, while a lot of girls look up to the females *in* batman. that would be the equivalent of like, zac efron playing bruce wayne.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think Crook means someone like Megan Fox, that would be awful. But there should be no doubt in anyones mind that Selina Kyle MUST be absolutely stunning, no ifs or buts. There is plenty of talented actresses out there who have the looks and skills.

[Two-Face]

I don't think Crook means someone like Megan Fox, that would be awful. But there should be no doubt in anyones mind that Selina Kyle MUST be absolutely stunning, no ifs or buts. There is plenty of talented actresses out there who have the looks and skills.


Angelina Jolie.

[Ace of Knaves]

Angelina Jolie.

lolz.............agreed.

[Melkay]

If I may to interject, that "mindset" logically applies to the character. I realize as a female, that casting actresses based on sexuality is overtly nauseating, but in an instance such as this....it is necessary.

I don't know why it's a surprise that females who don't look sexy/hot enough are immediately rejected for this role. Catwoman must look appealing. And yes, even to the lowest common denominator. This does not imply we do not care about acting merits, just that we prefer an actress that has both traits from the get-go.

[Lena Headley] is fine as Sarah [Connor], but that's exactly why I can't see her as Selina. They're both tough women, but completely leagues apart in terms of look and general presence.

Amen. Amen, amen, amen.
And long life to Crook. No one could've said it best :grin:.

[RachelDawes]

nolan casted batman's love interest. let's see... she has a face of a pug, her skin sags like a 90 year old woman and constantly looks like she has a piece of dog dung on her tongue. not one, but two men fight over maggie gyllenhaal. i would think in that case it would be necessary but i guess not to nolan...?

Rachel Dawes is a childhood friend, not a sex symbol. It was important that she look like an ADA, hence Maggie's casting. Catwoman's going to have to appeal to the fanboys because sex appeal's a part of her character.

BTW, those pictures of Lena Headey make her look butch. I hope she's more feminine on screen.

[Melkay]

nolan casted batman's love interest. let's see... she has a face of a pug, her skin sags like a 90 year old woman and constantly looks like she has a piece of dog dung on her tongue. not one, but two men fight over maggie gyllenhaal. i would think in that case it would be necessary but i guess not to nolan...?

1. Selina Kyle =/= Rachel Dawes. Totally different. They can even be defined by opposition.
2. Rachel is not meant to be ugly, nor is she. What she's not is a bimbo.
3. Bruce and Harvey were competing over her not exactly for her looks. To assume that is a complete objectification of the female lead.
4. I've seen other posts from you today. I don't like you. I hope I can make it mutual, eventually. :word:

by the way, just because i'm a female does not mean casting a female character with sexuality is a bad thing, i just don't want to see a bimbo like megan fox play an iconic role. a lot of people look up to batman, while a lot of girls look up to the females *in* batman. that would be the equivalent of like, zac efron playing bruce wayne.

Which means there are far more ideal women for the role than Megan Fox. Marion Cotillard, Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron, for example, are all extremely talented actresses and also extremely sexy women. And Catwoman employes her sexual appeal A LOT.

Be a pragmatist. If you're casting someone, do it right. Put your political agenda behind that.

[cerealkiller182]

4. I've seen other posts from you today. I don't like you. I hope I can make it mutual, eventually. :word:

"LOL" gets thrown around a lot most times I dont think people actually are laughing out loud by their desks. But I literally LOL-ed at this sentence.

[Ace of Knaves]

haha well thats Melkay for ya.

[Melkay]

:) <--- (not spam; actual smile)

[Why So Serious?]

Dunno what all that mumbo jumbo about Rachel Weisz is..... But personally, I'd tend to think of Kate Winslett as about a hundred times more fitting. And even she would be a complete miscast.

Edit: I'd take an unknown any day over any of the names on that list.

[michael]

Dunno what all that mumbo jumbo about Rachel Weisz is..... But personally, I'd tend to think of Kate Winslett as about a hundred times more fitting. And even she would be a complete miscast.

Agreed. They're both too cute-looking and their features are too soft. They completely lack the edge required.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea when someone mentions Weisz or Winslett the word "mumsy" springs to mind.

[michael]

Mumsy and mousy. Which might be why they are seemingly cast as mothers quite a lot lately... (At least Winslet is for sure.)

[InvisibleWoman]

Yea when someone mentions Weisz or Winslett the word "mumsy" springs to mind.

Um...mumsy? I think not.

http://www.r-weisz.net/photos/albums/magazines/Hollywood%20Life/hlmag-dec08-007.jpg

http://www.r-weisz.net/photos/albums/magazines/Hollywood%20Life/hlmag-dec08-004.jpg

http://www.r-weisz.net/photos/albums/magazines/Hollywood%20Life/hlmag-dec08-008.jpg

[Crook]

nolan casted batman's love interest. let's see... she has a face of a pug, her skin sags like a 90 year old woman and constantly looks like she has a piece of dog dung on her tongue. not one, but two men fight over maggie gyllenhaal. i would think in that case it would be necessary but i guess not to nolan...?
Rachel is a completely original creation with no previous existence in the mythos. Thus a detail such as her appearance is not established and would not be strictly defined. Basically she just needs to look like a capable ADA. That's very broad.

Selina has looked like a bombshell from the very beginning. She is known to look and act like a femme fatale. Arguably the most coveted female comic book icon, next to Wonder Woman. You DO NOT f**k with that by casting someone of subpar qualities, be it physical or technical talent.

by the way, just because i'm a female does not mean casting a female character with sexuality is a bad thing, i just don't want to see a bimbo like megan fox play an iconic role. a lot of people look up to batman, while a lot of girls look up to the females *in* batman. that would be the equivalent of like, zac efron playing bruce wayne.
This goes without saying. But unless I've even remotely implied I wanted a bimbo for this role, then I don't even know where the hell your original statement about me came from.

I don't think Crook means someone like Megan Fox, that would be awful. But there should be no doubt in anyones mind that Selina Kyle MUST be absolutely stunning, no ifs or buts. There is plenty of talented actresses out there who have the looks and skills.
Absolutely. We're not exactly trapped against a wall here. There are enough candidates to comb over. The beauty of roles such as Catwoman, are that Hollywood will never run out of talented, beautiful, and sexy white women. :hehe:

Amen. Amen, amen, amen.
And long life to Crook. No one could've said it best :grin:.
Heh, Christmas must have come early. These past events surely are the result of a miracle. :o

Um...mumsy? I think not.

http://www.r-weisz.net/photos/albums/magazines/Hollywood%20Life/hlmag-dec08-007.jpg

1) How long ago were these pics taken?

2) She looks great there, but can she maintain that look in film?

[Dark Knight]

Dunno what all that mumbo jumbo about Rachel Weisz is..... But personally, I'd tend to think of Kate Winslett as about a hundred times more fitting. And even she would be a complete miscast.

Edit: I'd take an unknown any day over any of the names on that list.



You would...but Nolan sure as heck won't.....

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea she does look hot there, no doubt. But they are just stills. Can she transfer that to film? I have my doubts. Selina not only has to LOOK good but she has to have that presence, to exude that aura of sexuality.

[InvisibleWoman]

Rachel is a completely original creation with no previous existence in the mythos. Thus a detail such as her appearance is not established and would not be strictly defined. Basically she just needs to look like a capable ADA. That's very broad.

Selina has looked like a bombshell from the very beginning. She is known to look and act like a femme fatale. Arguably the most coveted female comic book icon, next to Wonder Woman. You DO NOT f**k with that by casting someone of subpar qualities, be it physical or technical talent.


This goes without saying. But unless I've even remotely implied I wanted a bimbo for this role, then I don't even know where the hell your original statement about me came from.


Absolutely. We're not exactly trapped against a wall here. There are enough candidates to comb over. The beauty of roles such as Catwoman, are that Hollywood will never run out of talented, beautiful, and sexy white women. :hehe:


Heh, Christmas must have come early. These past events surely are the result of a miracle. :o


1) How long ago were these pics taken?

2) She looks great there, but can she maintain that look in film?

The pictures were taken for the November 2008 edition of Hollywood Life...so recent! She's amazing.

[Crook]

Well she does look banging, I will give you that. I still think that physical presence and appearance in film is a different territory than a photo shoot though. It's fairly easy to look great in one freeze-frame. 24 frames per second, is a whole different story.

Weisz is...capable as an actress, but I honestly don't know if this role is in her. I'd feel much more comfortable with someone else. Hell, I would gladly take Winslet over her. At the very least I know from the acting side it's in very good hands. And it helps that she looks really damn good when made up.

[michael]

If it weren't for so many other photos and movies, I'd almost want to take back what I said about her being mousy and mumsy. Almost.

Her features are just too soft for what I think Selina should look like. She looks like she'd cuddle you rather than kick your arse. She needs a slightly dangerous, sexy edge. An edge that I just don't see on Weisz.

[InvisibleWoman]

If it weren't for so many other photos and movies, I'd almost want to take back what I said about her being mousy and mumsy. Almost.

Her features are just too soft for what I think Selina should look like. She looks like she'd cuddle you rather than kick your arse. She needs a slightly dangerous, sexy edge. An edge that I just don't see on Weisz.

lol - I have time to change your mind! I'm Weisz's biggest cheerleader. I just think she's phenomenal, she blew me away in The Constant Gardener and I think she'd give a solid performance as Selina. I think the fact that people don't expect her to be sexy is exactly why she's the perfect choice. If Angelina Jolie was chosen, there would be NO surprise...her performance would be EXACTLY what we always see from her. It would be like Mr and Mrs Smith or Wanted all over again. Who thought Heath Ledger would create such an iconic Joker? I for one thought he was too cute, too young and not scary enough. Boy did he prove me wrong!

[Laderlappen]

I dont think any of you should doubt that Rachel can give out that look for a film. Its not nearly as hard as you people are making it out to be. Having said that, I hope Selina dont walk around looking like that the whole film.

[Cunning Stunts]

Rachel is a completely original creation with no previous existence in the mythos. Thus a detail such as her appearance is not established and would not be strictly defined. Basically she just needs to look like a capable ADA. That's very broad.

Selina has looked like a bombshell from the very beginning. She is known to look and act like a femme fatale. Arguably the most coveted female comic book icon, next to Wonder Woman. You DO NOT f**k with that by casting someone of subpar qualities, be it physical or technical talent.


This goes without saying. But unless I've even remotely implied I wanted a bimbo for this role, then I don't even know where the hell your original statement about me came from.


Absolutely. We're not exactly trapped against a wall here. There are enough candidates to comb over. The beauty of roles such as Catwoman, are that Hollywood will never run out of talented, beautiful, and sexy white women. :hehe:


Heh, Christmas must have come early. These past events surely are the result of a miracle. :o


1) How long ago were these pics taken?

2) She looks great there, but can she maintain that look in film?

The "look" is less up to her, and more up to make-up and costuming.

Believe me, in those photos, Rachel didn't do that by herself.

[Dark Knight]

Interesting take from IGN on the latest 3rd Bat film rumours....I wonder if what they mean by "sexier version of Bruce Wayne" is maybe Bale will be in top shape for the role like he was in American Psycho, Equilibrium,and Reign of Fire? Weisz would be a solid choice by the way.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/938/938568p1.html

[Cunning Stunts]

After seeing Quantum of Solace, I thought the idea someone brought up earlier of Mathieu Amalric playing The Riddler was a little bit of a stretch, but I did like Olga Kurylenko a lot. Would she be a good choice for Catwoman in anyone else's minds?

Obviously, I agree that there are more prominent (and probably better) choices out there right now, but I figured I wouldn't mind her after seeing her in QOS.

Just throwing it out there.

Just posting it here too, since this is the Catwoman thread.

Just wanted to see what people thought.

[Dark Knight]

Just posting it here too, since this is the Catwoman thread.

Just wanted to see what people thought.



I thought Olga had a really great chance to shine in QOS...but in the end overall I thought she was just bland.

It seems like she couldn't let it loose...maybe it was the directors fault?

I was underwhelmed by QOS as whole though, compared to Casino.

[RachelDawes]

Just posting it here too, since this is the Catwoman thread.

Just wanted to see what people thought.

She's not a great award-winning actress. I doubt Nolan will even look at her.

[Harley Quinn]

Rachel Dawes is a childhood friend, not a sex symbol. It was important that she look like an ADA, hence Maggie's casting. Catwoman's going to have to appeal to the fanboys because sex appeal's a part of her character.

just wondering: what does an ADA look like to you, exactly?



4. I've seen other posts from you today. I don't like you. I hope I can make it mutual, eventually. :word:

Which means there are far more ideal women for the role than Megan Fox. Marion Cotillard, Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron, for example, are all extremely talented actresses and also extremely sexy women. And Catwoman employes her sexual appeal A LOT.

considering i have only posted one comment in over year, i have something called a life. not sure if you have heard of it yet, but it's nice. you get to go on dates and have friends. though none of it involves the internet, so i don't know.

looking through the list of names like: Michelle Monaghan, Rose McGowan, Jessica Biel, Eliza Dushku and Kate Beckinsale. all actresses that get jobs based on absolutely nothing revolving around their talent. or if jessica biel won an oscar somewhere, please link me. the other actresses have the fewest votes and they are the most talented. the only other is angelina jolie. don't get me wrong, she's good looking. she was better looking before her cosmetic work. the only movies that make money of her's is the roles where she plays sexy or doesn't play anything at all, really. her fellow peers think she's a joke. the industry does not think she can act. and before someone says "omg she was totally nominated!!@!#!!" the awards this year is bought and paid for. there is an upcoming actor's strike and in order to make the hollywood economy a good one, they are trying nominate actors people will watch.... hence hugh jackman as a host.

[Crook]

looking through the list of names like: Michelle Monaghan, Rose McGowan, Jessica Biel, Eliza Dushku and Kate Beckinsale. all actresses that get jobs based on absolutely nothing revolving around their talent.
I don't see how that's relevant to what he said. He gave you a short list of actresses who would be capable for this role because they look sexy and can act. You retort by giving a list of actresses that look good, but haven't really been noteworthy actresses.

...how does that work?

the only other is angelina jolie. don't get me wrong, she's good looking. she was better looking before her cosmetic work. the only movies that make money of her's is the roles where she plays sexy or doesn't play anything at all, really. her fellow peers think she's a joke. the industry does not think she can act. and before someone says "omg she was totally nominated!!@!#!!" the awards this year is bought and paid for.
That's funny, I seem to remember Clint lamenting on how Jolie was unfairly judged because of her superstar status. How she has a great actress in her that unfortunately gets overlooked. Malkovich, another notable actor, has complimented Jolie's ability to strip the vanity of her status in order to play her most recent role.

I'd hardly call that "a joke", considering whose mouths those good words are coming from. I'm curious to know what roles of Jolie you've actually seen, apart from her mainstream work. I've found that her biggest detractors have never even seen her more under-represented performances.

[Hole Shot]

1) How long ago were these pics taken?

2) She looks great there, but can she maintain that look in film?

Of course man, it's a movie set. They'll for sure make her look up to par for the role. She's definitely got it physically, I've just never thought highly of her as an actress though.

[batboy99]

just wondering: what does an ADA look like to you, exactly?




considering i have only posted one comment in over year, i have something called a life. not sure if you have heard of it yet, but it's nice. you get to go on dates and have friends. though none of it involves the internet, so i don't know.

looking through the list of names like: Michelle Monaghan, Rose McGowan, Jessica Biel, Eliza Dushku and Kate Beckinsale. all actresses that get jobs based on absolutely nothing revolving around their talent. or if jessica biel won an oscar somewhere, please link me. the other actresses have the fewest votes and they are the most talented. the only other is angelina jolie. don't get me wrong, she's good looking. she was better looking before her cosmetic work. the only movies that make money of her's is the roles where she plays sexy or doesn't play anything at all, really. her fellow peers think she's a joke. the industry does not think she can act. and before someone says "omg she was totally nominated!!@!#!!" the awards this year is bought and paid for. there is an upcoming actor's strike and in order to make the hollywood economy a good one, they are trying nominate actors people will watch.... hence hugh jackman as a host.
What?! Where the hell did you hear that? Id say they think the complete opposite.
Just watch anyof her movies other than Tomb Raider and Wanted.

[Harley Quinn]

I don't see how that's relevant to what he said. He gave you a short list of actresses who would be capable for this role because they look sexy and can act. You retort by giving a list of actresses that look good, but haven't really been noteworthy actresses.

...how does that work?


That's funny, I seem to remember Clint lamenting on how Jolie was unfairly judged because of her superstar status. How she has a great actress in her that unfortunately gets overlooked. Malkovich, another notable actor, has complimented Jolie's ability to strip the vanity of her status in order to play her most recent role.

I'd hardly call that "a joke", considering whose mouths those good words are coming from. I'm curious to know what roles of Jolie you've actually seen, apart from her mainstream work. I've found that her biggest detractors have never even seen her more under-represented performances.

i wasn't responding to him in the last paragraph. i was just replying in general. the list i gave is the actual list on this thread. by proving a point, that the majority of actresses to choose from is nothing "note-worthy" as you say.
and just because an actor compliments another actor via PR does not mean squat. also, clint eastwood has been under movie-review horror over his film based on the actors he picked to be in Gran Torino.
if i told a paper that you were the greatest guy alive, then told a co-worker i thought you were not even equal to the scum on my shoe are two different things.
i work in the industry. i'm surrounded by the industry. the majority of my friends are in the industry. what i hear from the mouths in person are very different from what i read in People magazine.

What?! Where the hell did you hear that? Id say they think the complete opposite.
Just watch anyof her movies other than Tomb Raider and Wanted.

like above. i can watch a movie and think what i think but it doesn't change her peers' opinions of her.

[Quinzel]

Didn't every body also disagree with Heath as Mistah J?

Leave the castin up to them.
If Rachel W. Is gonna be Catwoman, that's fine with me, as long as she can stand and deliver, Prrrrfectly. haha.


(I make lame jokes often, don't judge me)

[DarKJediKnight]

Hmmm... it seems like there's a lot of support for Jolie for Catwoman here. We all know that Catwoman's appearance is not yet confirmed but if ever she does appear in Batman 3, I think that Jolie in a cat-suit is not right. She's overused. Brad's sucked the beauty off her. We need a fresher face, a much younger actress perhaps. Scarlett J., no? But Rachel Weisz fine with me. We've already seen Kate Beckinsale sexy in a tight suit, but I don't know if she can deliver.

[Hole Shot]

Didn't every body also disagree with Heath as Mistah J?

That's crazy talk! This whole board was totally united and thought it was a the greatest casting decision ever the moment it was announced.
:cwink:after Heath had died, there we people going "hey! now they can go back and cast Bettany or Glover for the third"not kidding

[Harley Quinn]

Didn't every body also disagree with Heath as Mistah J?


they did. the thought of a gay cowboy and the guy in 10 things i hate about you infuriated a lot of people here. few people believed in him.

[[A]]

Everybody? Generalizations stink.

[The Major]

looking through the list of names like: Michelle Monaghan, Rose McGowan, Jessica Biel, Eliza Dushku and Kate Beckinsale. all actresses that get jobs based on absolutely nothing revolving around their talent. or if jessica biel won an oscar somewhere, please link me.
All the actresses you listed do have acting talent.

McGowan is the weakest of the bunch, though.

Biel may not be getting any Oscars soon but she is a very competent actress IMO.

[Harley Quinn]

All the actresses you listed do have acting talent.

McGowan is the weakest of the bunch, though.

Biel may not be getting any Oscars soon but she is a very competent actress IMO.

to each his own. still, texas chainsaw massacre and chuck & larry aren't really anything to give praise about. i think she's a very pretty girl, but i think she should stick her romcoms.

[[A]]

Biel's never getting an Oscar. Well, let me check recent winners (...) OK, she might. She needs to play an ugly b***h and she'll get one. Guaranteed.

[Harley Quinn]

Biel's never getting an Oscar. Well, let me check recent winners (...) OK, she might. She needs to play an ugly b***h and she'll get one. Guaranteed.

LOL example: Charlize Theron

[[A]]

Exactly.

[flickchick85]

Theron's magnificent performance probably also contributed to her Oscar win, btw. That part could trip Biel up on her road to Oscar.

[Crook]

i wasn't responding to him in the last paragraph. i was just replying in general. the list i gave is the actual list on this thread. by proving a point, that the majority of actresses to choose from is nothing "note-worthy" as you say.
You're going by a list on a message board. I'm talking about what's available in the entirety of Hollywood.

and just because an actor compliments another actor via PR does not mean squat. also, clint eastwood has been under movie-review horror over his film based on the actors he picked to be in Gran Torino.
if i told a paper that you were the greatest guy alive, then told a co-worker i thought you were not even equal to the scum on my shoe are two different things.
i work in the industry. i'm surrounded by the industry. the majority of my friends are in the industry. what i hear from the mouths in person are very different from what i read in People magazine.
You don't need to tell me about public comments. I wholly know that some are just lies in order to cover up an ugly truth. However there is a difference when people go out of their way to compliment. Especially when it's beyond a shallow sentence. And your analogy is pure falsehood. No one goes on two extremes like that. If you don't like a co-worker and don't want to make it known, you don't say "he's the greatest guy alive". You say "he's a hard worker and is an all-around decent guy".

When you lie, you make a generic statement. Something that is non-negative rather than overtly-positive. Case in point, Bale said of Holmes that she was "fine to work with". Short and simple. Compare that to Clint: "I’ve always admired her talent. She’s somewhat hampered sometimes by having this gorgeous face, the most gorgeous face on the planet. She’s on covers and all that stuff."

Big difference.

like above. i can watch a movie and think what i think but it doesn't change her peers' opinions of her.
Ok, and who are these peers? You're making it out like the majority of Hollywood thinks this way, when I have a gut feeling that at best you've heard it from a few higher-ups and celebs. Which are hardly indicative of an entire entertainment business.

Biel's never getting an Oscar. Well, let me check recent winners (...) OK, she might. She needs to play an ugly b***h and she'll get one. Guaranteed.

LOL example: Charlize Theron
What is the implication here? Theron's performance was f**kin' phenomenal and every bit deserving of that award. Was it Oscar bait? Sure. But I don't see what's wrong with that since more and more I'm convinced that the term generally means "put out a work that is outside your expected capability and blow people out the water with it".

[The Major]

What is the implication here? Theron's performance was f**kin' phenomenal and every bit deserving of that award. Was it Oscar bait? Sure. But I don't see what's wrong with that since more and more I'm convinced that the term generally means "put out a work that is outside your expected capability and blow people out the water with it".

Agreed.

[Hobodeluxe]

MSNBC is reporting this morning Weisz got the role. 5.55am on first look they announced it. No mention of Murphy. Just Weisz for the Catwoman role.

[[A]]

Tell them they're full of it.

[Ace of Knaves]

looking through the list of names like: Michelle Monaghan, Rose McGowan, Jessica Biel, Eliza Dushku and Kate Beckinsale. all actresses that get jobs based on absolutely nothing revolving around their talent.

Michelle Monaghan is a brilliant little actress. You haven't seen "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" then no?

[Ace of Knaves]

MSNBC is reporting this morning Weisz got the role. 5.55am on first look they announced it. No mention of Murphy. Just Weisz for the Catwoman role.

Do not believe a word they say. How can anyone be cast for the roles if Nolan hasn't even written the story yet?

[The Major]

Michelle Monaghan is a brilliant little actress. You haven't seen "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" then no?

She's great in Mission Impossible 3, as well. :woot:

[[A]]

This is so much better than the funny images thread.

[Ace of Knaves]

This is so much better than the funny images thread.

Yea most of the time I find the funny images thread to be, well, unfunny.

[Harley Quinn]

You don't need to tell me about public comments. I wholly know that some are just lies in order to cover up an ugly truth. However there is a difference when people go out of their way to compliment. Especially when it's beyond a shallow sentence. And your analogy is pure falsehood.

i once worked on a production where an actor got his way and had his female lead removed... all because he thought she was ugly. in interviews following, he said she was wonderful to work with and it's a shame such a talented actress is lost but there are scheduling conflicts. that is just one example. i don't know what happens in your job, but it happens here a lot. to claim falsehood is just silly. especially by using one person and one comment. and with that comment from christian bale, i don't know... he's a mean guy with a bad attitude so i always question his opinion on people.

Ok, and who are these peers?

peers as in other actors. i don't know about directors, writers and the like, because i don't work 6 inches from their face for hours a day like i would with an actor.


What is the implication here? Theron's performance was f**kin' phenomenal and every bit deserving of that award. Was it Oscar bait? Sure. But I don't see what's wrong with that since more and more I'm convinced that the term generally means "put out a work that is outside your expected capability and blow people out the water with it".

did i say anything wrong with it? so sensitive! i laughed at the general statement of a hot girl having to win an oscar playing ugly.

Michelle Monaghan is a brilliant little actress. You haven't seen "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" then no?

saw that, but really loved her in Gone Baby Gone. only problem is, if she keeps choosing roles like Maid Of Honor and Heartbreak Kid, it's kinda hard to watch her in a serious movie. :csad:

[Hole Shot]

Do not believe a word they say. How can anyone be cast for the roles if Nolan hasn't even written the story yet?


Because studio films get greenlit and go into pre-production without scripts EVERYDAY. But that does not mean the Weisz story is true.

[Ace of Knaves]

Because studio films get greenlit and go into pre-production without scripts EVERYDAY. But that does not mean the Weisz story is true.

Errrr......right. So the studio will cast people for the roles then say to Chris and Jon Nolan "So, we have casted Catwoman and Riddler already, now write a story for them!"

I don't think so........

[Hole Shot]

Errrr......right. So the studio will cast people for the roles then say to Chris and Jon Nolan "So, we have casted Catwoman and Riddler already, now write a story for them!"

I don't think so........

Yeah, actually they will.

I'm not saying they're doing it to this film. But going into production and casting without a script is really very normal.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah, actually they will.

I'm not saying they're doing it to this film. But going into production and casting without a script is really very normal.

Well maybe that does happen, but I would imagen Nolan is the sort of guy who would tell the studio to take a running jump if they tried that **** on him.

[namtaB]

I like Rose Byrne for the part.

[namtaB]

Do not believe a word they say. How can anyone be cast for the roles if Nolan hasn't even written the story yet?

In the BB special features Nolan said "When I first met Christian the script hadn't been written yet, so a lot of things were based on trust."

[Two-Face]

Well maybe that does happen, but I would imagen Nolan is the sort of guy who would tell the studio to take a running jump if they tried that **** on him.



If WB does something Nolan doesn't like then Nolan will leave if they can't agree.

Choices so far been Nolan's way.

[Laderlappen]

Didn't every body also disagree with Heath as Mistah J?Only the morons.

[Chris Wallace]

Only the morons.

I hate single-minded posts like this.

[Ace of Knaves]

I hate single-minded posts like this.

It is sorta true though, you have to either be a moron or a single minded tosser to just dismiss someone without even seeing a picture or seeing them perform, like a lot of people did when Heath was cast.

[Hole Shot]

If WB does something Nolan doesn't like then Nolan will leave if they can't agree.

Choices so far been Nolan's way.

I'm still not convinced that the Weisz thing is for real, I'll guarantee you she and her agent are campaigning for the roll if it's fact that it exists. But, let's pretend for a moment that the rumors are true and that Rachel Weisz has been casted.

It's Rachel Weisz.

Not Angelina Jolie, not Charlize Theron, basically not the type of name that has the marketability for a studio to shove down the throat of their hottest directing/writing/producing team.

So if Rachel Weisz has really been cast, then it probably was a Nolan decision.

[Quinzel]

It is sorta true though, you have to either be a moron or a single minded tosser to just dismiss someone without even seeing a picture or seeing them perform, like a lot of people did when Heath was cast.
That's my point.
People shouldn't be so quick to judge Rachel W.

[Ace of Knaves]

That's my point.
People shouldn't be so quick to judge Rachel W.

Yea they shouldn't judge her and just say "oh well she would be crap". But people have the right to have preferences, and I would prefer her not to be Catwoman. I've already given my reasons, i'm sure y'all don't wanna read them again.

[Chris Wallace]

It is sorta true though, you have to either be a moron or a single minded tosser to just dismiss someone without even seeing a picture or seeing them perform, like a lot of people did when Heath was cast.

Maybe we just couldn't see him in the role. Many a fan has had many a doubt about an actor's ability to do the character justice, based entirely on said actor's appearance, physicality (as compared to that of the characte rin question) & their previous work. It doesn't make them morons; it makes them skeptics. And the naysayers are not ALWAYS wrong. Sometimes directors just make bad casting decisions. In this genre...
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p173/kenny_black/George_Clooney.jpghttp://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/earlsworld70117/Halee%20Berry/halle_berry_preg_let_small.jpghttp://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll178/DETpistons3/scan0001-4.jpg
And others.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e97/sexyannie007/Daniel%20Craig%20%20xXx/daniel__craig.jpg

[Artistsean]

I think what the Nolan franchise of Batman has done is cast people based on their performances and not based it on star power, marketing, or if they look like the character or not.
And its worked so far. Whoever they cast as Catwoman or any other characters will work I think. At this point I trust them.

And George Clooney could have been a great Batman/Bruce Wayne if someone else directed it and the story was different. (I think)

[Chris Wallace]

I think what the Nolan franchise of Batman has done is cast people based on their performances and not based it on star power, marketing, or if they look like the character or not.


As all casting should be. Appearance is a flexible issue (to a point) but still matters.

[Hole Shot]

It is sorta true though, you have to either be a moron or a single minded tosser to just dismiss someone without even seeing a picture or seeing them perform, like a lot of people did when Heath was cast.

That's my point.
People shouldn't be so quick to judge Rachel W.

This is an unwinable fight. What you guys are doing is being logical and that doesn't exist in Internet message board fan land. People get their heart set and convince themselves that only certain actors are right for the part to play their favorite characters (and most often it's because they look closest to a drawing with their acting chops being an afterthought). And these are their beloved characters so people get a little passionate about which is totally understandable.

But they have yet figure out is that rarely is the top choice from a message board poll or even someone discussed the actor actually cast for the roll. So that turns into a huge eruption in the fandom where the majority are freaking out that actor was cast when there was the clear and most obvious choice (their choice) to play the roll. And the person who is actually making the film, knows the script, knows the direction they want to take the story and gets to meet teh actors was TOTALLY WRONG!!!

It's clockwork, it happens every time and it will never change. It's what humans do and why we have Internet. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't guilty of it myself. In fact, me being open minded about Heath's casting was probably more of an anamoly than a reflection of how I tend to behave in this regard.

[protoctista]

i once worked on a production where an actor got his way and had his female lead removed... all because he thought she was ugly. in interviews following, he said she was wonderful to work with and it's a shame such a talented actress is lost but there are scheduling conflicts. that is just one example.

I've experienced that too! Never believe the press sorrounding a film, it's ALL ********.

With the Clint/Jolie thing...

The one problem besetting Changeling is that it's led actress is not the kind of actress that people would normally associate with power-house performance, and yet the main sale of the film is the central power-house performance. Ultimately the media message, in order to sell the film, is that people should consider Angelina Jolie as capable of a powerhouse performance - so that is the message that Clint Eastwood HAS to say in order to sell his film.

It doesn't actually matter whether or not Angelina Jolie IS talented - the sole reason Clint Eastwood said that statement was to sell the film. It's part of his product.

So don't think for one moment that because he said that he thinks it.

I'm not saying that he definately doesn't think she's talented - otherwise he wouldn't have cast her, surely? - but that his statements to the press don't come from an honest appreciation of her talent.




And as for what I've heard in the industry... nothing. :P I'm not very well connected to Hollywood... HOWEVER, I did work with a guy who knew a guy (I know, I know...) who was called in to cover for an absent Focus Puller on set for A Mighty Heart, and apparantly Jolie was very grumpy on set... :woot::woot:

There we go boys. Insider scoop for you.

[Laderlappen]

Ok, doubting an actor, even a great actors maybe doesnt make you a moron. But being totally convinced the actor will be bad based on the reasons the majority of the people doubting Heath had does make you a moron.

[Dark Knight]

I'm still not convinced that the Weisz thing is for real, I'll guarantee you she and her agent are campaigning for the roll if it's fact that it exists. But, let's pretend for a moment that the rumors are true and that Rachel Weisz has been casted.

It's Rachel Weisz.

Not Angelina Jolie, not Charlize Theron, basically not the type of name that has the marketability for a studio to shove down the throat of their hottest directing/writing/producing team.

So if Rachel Weisz has really been cast, then it probably was a Nolan decision.



I personally think Theron would be all wrong for Selina Kyle/Catwoman.

She would be better suited for Posion Ivy.

[Mastodon123]

I'm still not convinced that the Weisz thing is for real, I'll guarantee you she and her agent are campaigning for the roll if it's fact that it exists. But, let's pretend for a moment that the rumors are true and that Rachel Weisz has been casted.
Weisz was rumored to be Talia Al Ghul in TDK but we know how that turned out. I'm looking through BOF news archeive, and looking through the rumors concerning TDK. So many false rumors that came out in 2006. Thats why i'm not believing anything now.

[Crook]

i once worked on a production where an actor got his way and had his female lead removed... all because he thought she was ugly. in interviews following, he said she was wonderful to work with and it's a shame such a talented actress is lost but there are scheduling conflicts. that is just one example. i don't know what happens in your job, but it happens here a lot. to claim falsehood is just silly.
Your example only proved my point again. "Wonderful to work with", "shame we lost a talent", and "scheduling conflict". Can you get any more textbook response-like than that? Generic PR statement to cover up the truth.

Had this actor said something along the lines of "I don't know why they took her out", "it won't be the same working with a different actress", or even "I miss her company"....you'd have a point. These are all statements going out of their way to provide support. As I said, non-negative vs. overtly-positive. They're not the same thing.

peers as in other actors. i don't know about directors, writers and the like, because i don't work 6 inches from their face for hours a day like i would with an actor.
So who are these actors? How many? If it was relevant enough to bring up then surely it was of a significant amount.

did i say anything wrong with it? so sensitive! i laughed at the general statement of a hot girl having to win an oscar playing ugly.
I didn't proclaim you said anything, that is why I asked. I wasn't sure what it meant. No one "laughs" when a pretty-boy plays a dork. Or when a well-built actor loses weight to play scrawny. Or when someone of intelligence plays mental-deficiency. So how is beauty playing ugly any different?

It is sorta true though, you have to either be a moron or a single minded tosser to just dismiss someone without even seeing a picture or seeing them perform, like a lot of people did when Heath was cast.
There are two concepts called "faith" and "doubt". Ever hear of them? And this is not just directed at you, but in general. I'm kinda tired of everyone coming out the woodworks to point and laugh at people that were "proven wrong" because their wild guess turned out to be right. And yes, it was a damn guess. Rooting and praising Heath before seeing enough promo material or the movie itself is the equivalent of throwing s**t at the wall hoping it'll stick. Fortunately, it did.

The only people that should be patting themselves on the back, are those that idly stood by opinion-less, waiting to see the full performance. At the very least they have a foundation to base their opinion on. Everyone else either got disproved, or guessed right. Neither is really something to be proud of.

[protoctista]

Rooting and praising Heath before seeing enough promo material or the movie itself is the equivalent of throwing s**t at the wall hoping it'll stick. Fortunately, it did.

Rubbish.

I'm sorry that you didn't (and still perhaps don't) appreciate Heath's ability as an immersive actor and his status as such prior to the Dark Knight, but some of us did. And many who didn't realised that Nolan wouldn't have been so stupid as to make such an 'odd' casting choice without firm grounds to do so.

Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker wasn't a risky, god-what-the-hell-are-they-doing casting choice. Any actor could have fit into the physical requirements of the Joker (after all, the character's distinctive look is artificial rather than natural like Catwoman) but very few actors around at the time rivalled Heath's talent. And none of his generation.

[The Major]

chris:

Daniel Craig is a great Bond.

Halle Berry works on paper but fails in execution. She's not suited for action roles.

Clooney could have succeeded with his A-game and a good script.

[Kellys Heroes]

Dushku would be interesting; but she wouldn't fit... Biel would be the best

[Crook]

Rubbish.

I'm sorry that you didn't (and still perhaps don't) appreciate Heath's ability as an immersive actor and his status as such prior to the Dark Knight, but some of us did.
And I'm sorry you completely fabricated this notion out of nowhere. :dry:

I don't feel the need to explain myself, mainly because I already have multiple times on this matter. Just know that you're wrong.

And many who didn't realised that Nolan wouldn't have been so stupid as to make such an 'odd' casting choice without firm grounds to do so.

Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker wasn't a risky, god-what-the-hell-are-they-doing casting choice. Any actor could have fit into the physical requirements of the Joker (after all, the character's distinctive look is artificial rather than natural like Catwoman) but very few actors around at the time rivalled Heath's talent. And none of his generation.
Well that's nice. I'm not going to get into this same debate again, as I've exhausted it. I'll just sum up my feelings by saying I don't immediately equate a great actor as being non-risky or even favorable, for every single role out there.

Heath turned in a great performance, and that's really all that matters at the end of the day.

[kid dropper]

Damn right about Clooney. In the right film under the right direction he would have been a great Batman and Bruce Wayne. Ive always felt wasting him like that was one of the great many tragedies of that film.

[Timstuff]

Only 8 more votes, and Beckinsale ties Jolie in votes. Rowr. :word:

[Quinzel]

Only 8 more votes, and Beckinsale ties Jolie in votes. Rowr. :word:

I'd much rather see beckinsale.Not not big on the idea of jolie in any of these movies.regardless of her attractiveness, that shouldn't be the most important thing.Like i wouldn't want to see Gerard Butler in them, but i think he's flat out sexy. haha.

[Chris Wallace]

chris:

Daniel Craig is a great Bond.

Halle Berry works on paper but fails in execution. She's not suited for action roles.

Clooney could have succeeded with his A-game and a good script.

Saw Quantum Of Solace-EMPHATICALLY disagree with you. Craig is a so-so Bond at best. He does not exude the charisma nor the confidence that Connery & Brosnan brought to the role.

Halle's not really suited for ANY role, IMO. I can't think of one movie where she truly wowed me. Ever. Take away the nose job & I doubt she'd get half as much work.

Clooney canNOT do Batman. Period. Now it didn't help that it was a crappy script & a nutcake of a director, but the only difference between his Batman & his Wayne was a mask. Even if he had brought all the bad@$$ attitude he had in "Dusk Till Dawn", he still can't pull off Batman.

[Harley Quinn]

I've experienced that too! Never believe the press sorrounding a film, it's ALL ********.

With the Clint/Jolie thing...

The one problem besetting Changeling is that it's led actress is not the kind of actress that people would normally associate with power-house performance, and yet the main sale of the film is the central power-house performance. Ultimately the media message, in order to sell the film, is that people should consider Angelina Jolie as capable of a powerhouse performance - so that is the message that Clint Eastwood HAS to say in order to sell his film.

i was thinking that after i posted that comment and i forgot. you are right, when comments like that are made, usually it's during the PR tour of a film about to be released. for example, i have read so many nice things about katherine heigl from her co-stars, however, it is very known she is hated. extremely hated. some co-stars will even fake an "off-set" romance just to sell a film, that actually happens a lot to create buzz. i also wonder if we are talking about the same actors!

So who are these actors? How many? If it was relevant enough to bring up then surely it was of a significant amount.
it's a lot. actors see one another as colleagues, working together or not. and just like any other "office" setting, colleagues talk and talk a lot.

So how is beauty playing ugly any different?

again, i laughed at what he said and how he put it. that's it. no philosophical reasoning behind it.


I'm sorry that you didn't (and still perhaps don't) appreciate Heath's ability as an immersive actor and his status as such prior to the Dark Knight, but some of us did.

even if some disagree with you, it's still true. i see someone else agreed, too. there were very few here that thought he had the ability to play the joker. a lot of gay cowboy comments and that he played the role of a heart throb earlier in his career. but that's the power of a great actor, they have the talent to play anything they set themselves to.

[darknite17]

Mia Kirshner

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/mia-kirshner/pictures/mia-kirshner-picture-6.jpg

Rhona Mitra

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/rhona-mitra-2004-vanity-fair-oscar-party-10z0iu.jpg

Evangeline Lilly (who I think would have the most chemistry with Bale)

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/monzy79/evangeline-lilly.jpg

[hegele]

Saw Quantum Of Solace-EMPHATICALLY disagree with you. Craig is a so-so Bond at best. He does not exude the charisma nor the confidence that Connery & Brosnan brought to the role.

Halle's not really suited for ANY role, IMO. I can't think of one movie where she truly wowed me. Ever. Take away the nose job & I doubt she'd get half as much work.

Clooney can NOT do Batman. Period. Now it didn't help that it was a crappy script & a nutcake of a director, but the only difference between his Batman & his Wayne was a mask. Even if he had brought all the bad@$$ attitude he had in "Dusk Till Dawn", he still can't pull off Batman.

what you call confidence i call a conscience. Craig is the first Bond to walk the walk knowing that death is not only possible being a double 00, it's more or less imminent. He's the best "Flemming Bond' ever put to screen. You'll be hard pressed to find a lot of people who've read the books that will disagree.

Halle isn't my favorite actress by any measure but she was absolutely amazing in Monster's Ball, i thought at least. I can't name another one of her films that even seemed remotely passible.

I have to agree i can never imagine Clooney as Wayne/Bats again after B&R, i think he might be able to pull off a TDKR Batman. I think he has come a long way as an actor since the 90's. I wouldn't hold it against him in the role now, with the right material.

[Brian Braddock]

Only 8 more votes, and Beckinsale ties Jolie in votes. Rowr. :word:

Maybe this can sway those undecided, yet to vote posters...............

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/060725_beckinsale.jpg


:word:

[Melkay]

Saw Quantum Of Solace-EMPHATICALLY disagree with you. Craig is a so-so Bond at best. He does not exude the charisma nor the confidence that Connery & Brosnan brought to the role.

He's my favorite Bond along with Timothy Dalton. And if you can't see confidence there, it must be due to extreme bias (maybe you don't like your Bonds blonde :whatever:).

Halle's not really suited for ANY role, IMO. I can't think of one movie where she truly wowed me. Ever. Take away the nose job & I doubt she'd get half as much work.

Only good role I've seen her in was in Monster's Ball, and she was awe-inspiring. Terrific performance. The downside is that it made her keep acting, and all she has done is trash ever since.

Clooney canNOT do Batman. Period. Now it didn't help that it was a crappy script & a nutcake of a director, but the only difference between his Batman & his Wayne was a mask. Even if he had brought all the bad@$$ attitude he had in "Dusk Till Dawn", he still can't pull off Batman.

Clooney is a more than capable character and I'd like to think that under the right director he would have met expectations.... but the bold part is so true.

[Melkay]

Maybe this can sway those undecided, yet to vote posters...............

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/060725_beckinsale.jpg


:word:


:wow:

I have completely changed my mind about Beckinsale.

She should be a stripper at the Iceberg Lounge.


Marion Cotillard should be Catwoman. Or any other woman that can actually act, for that matter.

[Brian Braddock]

You're saying Beckinsale can't act?

[Melkay]

No, I didn't say that.

"Beckinsale can't act."

Now I did.

[darknite17]

Bekinsale acknowledged, but nah..

[Brian Braddock]

Melkay, Beckinsale's fellow thespians and peers would probably disagree with you given that she got a SAG nomination in the actor category in 2005;

But, hey, what do they know?

Could it be that your'e just pi$$ed because she's beating Cotillard in the poll?

[RKO]

No, I didn't say that.

"Beckinsale can't act."

Now I did.

As Little Gambol here would say:

You're crazy.

[Melkay]

Hahaha, don't be ridiculous Benitez, it was an ensemble award, in a movie with Cate Blanchet and Leonardo DiCaprio's best performance. The jury probably had lesser expectations about her than I have with this role.

And since this is about selecting the best possible choice, she's out of the question.

Maybe she'll change my mind when I see "Nothing But The Truth", but until that moment I stand by what I say, and no "nipply" photo will change that. I have regular porn, thank you very much.

[Laderlappen]

Melkay, Beckinsale's fellow thespians and peers would probably disagree with you given that she got a SAG nomination in the actor category in 2005;

But, hey, what do they know?

Could it be that your'e just pi$$ed because she's beating Cotillard in the poll?That's the ensemble nomination which all major actors in the movie share including Gwen Stefani(!). Lets assume she didnt suck in the movie, if she did she'd still be nominated. Why? Because of Leo Dicaprio, Cate Blanchett, Alan Alda, Ian Holm, Alec Baldwin, & John C. Reilly's performances.

[Melkay]

As Little Gambol here would say:

You're crazy.

Oh, I'm not... I'm... not.

[darknite17]

no "nipply" photo will change that. I have regular porn, thank you very much.

Haa brilliant.. and they say sex sells1

[Melkay]

Could it be that your'e just pi$$ed because she's beating Cotillard in the poll?

Nah, I got over it. In these forums, when the majority number goes over 100 votes, something goes wrong. I shouldn't be pi$$ed, the voters should, at their own idiocy (<- a word I learned thanks to my good ol' friend Keyser Sushi).

Besides, didn't americans reelect Bush by a landslide?
I could have Michael Moore make a documentary about how Beckinsale can't act and you would still vote for her.

(I have some regular, healthy porn, if you like)

[Brian Braddock]

There seems to be a somewhat elitist tone to your post, Melkay.

[protoctista]

God, I've finally located one of the many morons who voted for Beckinsle. Tell me, even if you are so stupid as to believe she's actually an actress of any particular merit, can you really say that she'd hold her own in the ensemble that we're talking about - which includes some of the greatest actors around today?

Or is it simply because you think she's hot and you're an underworld fan?

[Laderlappen]

^The Aviator already proved she cant.

[Brian Braddock]

God, I've finally located one of the many morons who voted for Beckinsle. Tell me, even if you are so stupid as to believe she's actually an actress of any particular merit, can you really say that she'd hold her own in the ensemble that we're talking about - which includes some of the greatest actors around today?

Or is it simply because you think she's hot and you're an underworld fan?

Wow. Trying to be insulting must be your thing, eh? What an endearing trait that is; you're not a total douche in any way, shape or form.

I'm actually not a fan of the Underworld films; not because of Beckinsale but because I just dont dig Len Weisman's direction or story. I actually base my choice mainly because of Laurel Canyon. In my opinion, Beckinsale held her own alongside Bale and Frances McDormand and showed some chemistry with Bale in playing his girlfriend.

Granted, she was awful in Pearl Harbour but I've seen enough of her in other roles to believe that she's not the worst actress around, despite what you may think to the contrary.

[Laderlappen]

But cant you really think of a better actress? Laurel Canyon isnt Sophie's Choice exactly. Neither was her performance oscar-worthy exactly.

[Brian Braddock]

Oh, there are certainly better actresses out there - I'll be the 1st to admit that.

I'm thinking about an actress with all the required attributes to fit the part though. So far, I'm not digging the Cotillard suggestion nor the Jolie one (not a fan of Jolie to be honest).

I just feel that, despite what others might think, Beckinsale is a decent enough actress. That coupled with her look and her ability to convincingly pull off physical action films, makes her a solid choice in my eyes.

I dare say that Nolan wouldnt be adversed to having another British cast member to direct either.

[Laderlappen]

Oh, there are certainly better actresses out there - I'll be the 1st to admit that.

I'm thinking about an actress with all the required attributes to fit the part though. So far, I'm not digging the Cotillard suggestion nor the Jolie one (not a fan of Jolie to be honest).

I just feel that, despite what others might think, Beckinsale is a decent enough actress. That coupled with her look and her ability to convincingly pull off physical action films, makes her a solid choice in my eyes.

I dare say that Nolan wouldnt be adversed to having another British cast member to direct either.Didnt you just say you didnt have Underworld as a reason? What did she do in that anyway that was so good? Any actress could pull of a equally or better performance in an action movie. Its one of the easiest role in the world. I expect whoever gets cast as Selina will be alot better than Beckinsale was. Its typecasting anyway.

[Brian Braddock]

I said that I wasnt a fan of the Underworld films and they were therefore not my overidding reason for suggesting Beckinsale; that doesnt mean that I can't use an aspect of Beckinsales performance in it to draw from.

I disagree with what you said about any actress being able to pull of a equally or better performance in an action movie - Some actressess look totally out of place when placed in a movie that requires action or on-screen combat - Beckinsale didnt.

[protoctista]

she's not the worst actress around
Oh, there are certainly better actresses out there

How are these good reasons for casting her?

Surely we're not looking for an actress that is 'ok' or 'good enough' in terms of their talent?




That coupled with her look

There are literally hundreds of actresses in Hollywood that have 'the look'. Whilst I disagree that Beckinsale has the look I'd like for Catwoman, it seems to me like you're placing too high a prerequisite on the actresses look, as you've already stated that she isn't amongst the best actresses around...

I'd say any of the actresses listed above are beautiful enough to play Catwoman (Bar Eliza Dushku, who looks like a 13 year old), so surely the principle basis of casting selection here, with beauty as a given, is talent.

I'm not saying that beauty is unimportant, but it's certainly less important than talent and suitability for the role, given the abundance of talent in hollwood.

Now, you say that you think Kate Beckinsale is 'not the worst actress' - I'll accept that. Maybe I was a bit harsh on the woman. But surely we're looking for someone a bit more credible than that - surely we're looking for the best actress?



and her ability to convincingly pull off physical action films, makes her a solid choice in my eyes.

This is a really poor basis for casting that has nothing to do with subjectivity. Action roles can be taught to any young actress who is prepared to put in the training - there's a whole branch of the production team designed for this kind of thing. In fact, in many respects, it's often better to have an actor who is committed to the training, but ultimately inexperienced - because all that they learn is associated with the role in question - all the mannerisms, all the poise... the actor doesn't have to 'unlearn' any old techniques.

[Hunter Rider]

So much I disagree with in here but I'm not getting into a long drawn out debate over anything until we know the character is even in the movie, a movie i might add that has not actually been signed up for by Nolan yet. I will say that whomever he chooses I will not whine about until i see some footage, b/c he's earned a chance to at least prove the person is the right choice.

[Two-Face]

Only 8 more votes, and Beckinsale ties Jolie in votes. Rowr. :word:



147 says other, go figure.....

[Chris Wallace]

He's my favorite Bond along with Timothy Dalton. And if you can't see confidence there, it must be due to extreme bias (maybe you don't like your Bonds blonde :whatever:).



Only good role I've seen her in was in Monster's Ball, and she was awe-inspiring. Terrific performance. The downside is that it made her keep acting, and all she has done is trash ever since.



Clooney is a more than capable character and I'd like to think that under the right director he would have met expectations.... but the bold part is so true.Hair color be damned. I didn't like anything about Craig's Bond. He came off thuggish. Bond is suave.
I hated absolutely everything about Monster's Ball, from beginning to end-especially Halle's performance. She is to acting what Rhianna is to singing.
I agree Clooney's a great actor in general, but no way could he have made a convincing Batman.

[Melkay]

There seems to be a somewhat elitist tone to your post, Melkay.

Common seems to be mistaken for elitism around here. Here, let me give you an example.....

I'm thinking about an actress with all the required attributes to fit the part though. So far, I'm not digging the Cotillard suggestion nor the Jolie one (not a fan of Jolie to be honest).
.... and this...
I just feel that, despite what others might think, Beckinsale is a decent enough actress.
... and this...
(That) makes her a solid choice in my eyes.

See? Jolie and Cotillard not fitting the role, Beckinsale decent enough actress and solid choice.... all those things make everyone around you seem elitist and reasonable.
But I'll have whatever it is you're smoking, thanks.

[Killing Joke926]

My heart's still settled for Moss. :heart:

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/carrie-anne-moss/pictures/carrie-anne-moss-picture-1.jpg

http://stalker.hautetfort.com/images/medium_carrie_anne_moss_004.jpg

http://www.funmunch.com/celebrities/actresses/carrie_anne_moss/enlarge/carrie_anne_moss_2.jpg

[StorminNorman]

None of those pictures screams "sexy".

In fact one of them screams "turn off".

[StorminNorman]

Hair color be damned. I didn't like anything about Craig's Bond. He came off thuggish. Bond is suave.
I hated absolutely everything about Monster's Ball, from beginning to end-especially Halle's performance. She is to acting what Rhianna is to singing.
I agree Clooney's a great actor in general, but no way could he have made a convincing Batman.

Apparently you not a fan of Bond's novels.

[Killing Joke926]

None of those pictures screams "sexy".

In fact one of them screams "turn off".

Don't tell me you support Jolie SN? :brucebat:

[Two-Face]

My heart's still settled for Moss. :heart:

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/carrie-anne-moss/pictures/carrie-anne-moss-picture-1.jpg

http://stalker.hautetfort.com/images/medium_carrie_anne_moss_004.jpg

http://www.funmunch.com/celebrities/actresses/carrie_anne_moss/enlarge/carrie_anne_moss_2.jpg

None of those pictures screams "sexy".

In fact one of them screams "turn off".


Norman speaks the truth.

[StorminNorman]

Don't tell me you support Jolie SN? :brucebat:

She's not my numbah one girl, but I would have no problem with her at all.

[Chris Wallace]

Norman speaks the truth.

Indeed.

[Ace of Knaves]

HAHA as if any of you guys would turn her down if she was on a plate.

[kid dropper]

yeh i love to see self loathing geeks run down beautiful celebrities as if they could get women a third as hot. Now heres the part where they start uploading pictures of silicone net tarts and claiming that they are there gf's.

[Two-Face]

HAHA as if any of you guys would turn her down if she was on a plate.


Well She doesn't scream Catwoman to me that's why.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well She doesn't scream Catwoman to me that's why.

agreed.

[Crook]

yeh i love to see self loathing geeks run down beautiful celebrities as if they could get women a third as hot. Now heres the part where they start uploading pictures of silicone net tarts and claiming that they are there gf's.
While "generally" true, you have to be careful and not cross that rare geek that does happen to have hot ass. I've seen one e-bully get pwned terribly just last week calling a bluff on another message board. :funny:

[Melkay]

^ So, so true.

[Dark Knight]

Apparently you not a fan of Bond's novels.



The Bond novels that I have read are classics!

They actually dig deeper into Bonds psyche.

The next Bond film should have Bond doing voice overs of what is going on in his mind. It would be quite different for a Bond film, but if done well, it would be great IMO.

[Hole Shot]

HAHA as if any of you guys would turn her down if she was on a plate.


As if I wouldn't let any of the women suggested in this thread hit this!

I think there's an entire forum in the Community section of the Hype dedicated to creeper fans and their celeb crushes. If we want to continue this conversation we should move it there.

We're talking about casting Catwoman here.

But I actually try to avoid that celeb forum because I feel dirty everytime I go in there and wonder if I should report a concern about some of my fellow hypsters to the authorities. Best I just stay away.

[Melkay]

The next Bond film should have Bond doing voice overs of what is going on in his mind. It would be quite different for a Bond film, but if done well, it would be great IMO.

No, it's too dangerous.
They can give it to Frank Miller.

[Ethermatic]

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/4/2/11/f_evagreen3m_0708f7d.jpg

I say Eva Green. Still.

[ronny]

It's difficult to find a right balance between a woman who is very alluring and a woman who can cearly take care of herself. On the one hand you should be able to see why Bruce Wayne, a man who constantly beds supermodels, is taken with this gal. And on the other there shouldn't be any surprise when she goes toe-to-toe with Batman.
She needs to feel like someone who has been through a lot in their lives, someone toughened by their surroundings.
You've realy got to find someone special for this role.

[Hole Shot]

She needs to feel like someone who has been through a lot in their lives, someone toughened by their surroundings.

you mean hooker.

[Cunning Stunts]

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/4/2/11/f_evagreen3m_0708f7d.jpg

I say Eva Green. Still.

She's been my second choice behind Weisz for a while now. Honestly, though, I think Green may wind up having better chemistry with Bale than Weisz would.

[MiniBond]

the main issue with Green is that she's terribly uncomfortable with stunts and things like that, she disliked having to do so (and that wasn't very hard stuff) in The Golden Compass soooo.......:nono:

[Cunning Stunts]

the main issue with Green is that she's terribly uncomfortable with stunts and things like that, she disliked having to do so (and that wasn't very hard stuff) in The Golden Compass soooo.......:nono:

Big deal, that's why there's stunt doubles. There's more than enough technology to make it seamless.

[ronny]

you mean hooker.

As long as she's not a sex-addict like Burton's Catwoman. The way she leered and pouted was just deranged.

[Hole Shot]

If this discussion was based 100% on looks, I think the actress that has got Selena like no other is Paz Vega (and I'm talking from the face and down).
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/avanwey/paz-vega-2008-cannes-film-festival-.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/avanwey/paz-vega.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/avanwey/paz-vega-5.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/avanwey/paz-vega_09-1.jpg


except I'm not sure she could pull an American accent and that's a big deal to me because I believe Selena/Catwoman has to be just as much Gotham as Bruce.

As long as she's not a sex-addict like Burton's Catwoman. The way she leered and pouted was just deranged.

You were supposed to respond "they're not hookers, they're massage therapists!"

[MiniBond]

Big deal, that's why there's stunt doubles. There's more than enough technology to make it seamless.

yeah well.....i'm not sure she'd do it with only half of her scenes to be performed by herself.....but I've been wrong before !

[[A]]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/avanwey/paz-vega_09-1.jpg
Ohh Paz Vega what a hottie *drools all over the place*

[Majik1387]

As long as she's not a sex-addict like Burton's Catwoman. The way she leered and pouted was just deranged.
First she was "supernatural", now she was a sex-addict?:huh::whatever:

[ronny]

First she was "supernatural", now she was a sex-addict?:huh::whatever:

Don't roll your eyes at me. My point is valid. The Catwoman in Burton's film was a depthless, moronic cocktease.
She was a parody of female sexuality. Less like the character from the comics and more like a drunken Armenian prostitue whose fading looks and hollow soul are common knowledge to everyone but her.

[Majik1387]

Don't roll your eyes at me. My point is valid. The Catwoman in Burton's film was a depthless, moronic cocktease.
She was a parody of female sexuality. Less like the character from the comics and more like a drunken Armenian prostitue whose fading looks and hollow soul are common knowledge to everyone but her.
No. No. Yes. She used her sexuality to her advantage, didn't make her a sex addict.

[Hole Shot]

Ohh Paz Vega what a hottie *drools all over the place*


Maybe we can just say she was raised in Gotham's latin neighborhood and that will elimante my concern and then we all get to look at her in a Catwoman costume!

No. No. Yes. She used her sexuality to her advantage

That's exactly what she did to Penguin.

[ronny]

No. No. Yes. She used her sexuality to her advantage, didn't make her a sex addict.

She always had sex on the brain. So yes, she was a sex addict.
She may as well have given Bruce her hourly rates and been done with it.
Much more Frank Miller's Catwoman than anything I'd like to see on screen nowadays.

[Majik1387]

She always had sex on the brain. So yes, she was a sex addict.
Um, no. She didn't.
She may as well have given Bruce her hourly rates and been done with it.
Much more Frank Miller's Catwoman than anything I'd like to see on screen nowadays.
Eh, Miller wishes he could take credit for Catwoman in Returns.:o

[Hole Shot]

Eh, Miller wishes he could take credit for Catwoman in Returns.:o

You really place Burton's Catwoman that high up there? And I'm not being critical of your opinion just asking what you liked about her.

I thought she was pretty good myself but not a big fan of her origin. Once she gets passed the "I don't know about you miss kitty but I feel yummier" line and in action fully formed I think she's great. But everything prior to that is kinda bleh, to me.

on a side note, even though I mock that line, I know it because I actually use to say it to my cat whenever I finished getting ready to go out because it weirded out my gf at the time.:woot: both have since ran away, go figure...

[DarknessOfDeath]

k...

5 picks but in no particular order...

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Rebecca Romjin
Charlize Theron
Jessica Biel

[Hole Shot]

k...

5 picks but in no particular order...

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Rebecca Romjin
Charlize Theron
Jessica Biel

I like all these actresses, well Biel not so much, but I do they could all offer the role something. But I've omitted all them for consideration. I think the fact that all of them have already played an ass kicker in skin tight clothing takes them out of the running.

And in my opinion, A-listers like Jolie and Theron are out because outside the smaller roles (Cane & Freeman) the series has been carried by talented actors that are on the cusp of stardom or should be stars, i.e. Ledger, Eckhart, Oldman and pre-Batman Bale. And given that film will likely have several new and important characters I don't think they want a Catwoman that's going to command the biggest paycheck on the set.

[Laderlappen]

k...

5 picks but in no particular order...

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Rebecca Romjin
Charlize Theron
Jessica Biel1 great actress, one ok, one average, one terrible, and one of the worst actresses working. Well imo atleast. But I find it very hard to believe that you'd actually think Biel and Romjin would be 2 of the top5 actresses in the world that would do the best performance as this character.

[regwec]

As long as she's not a sex-addict like Burton's Catwoman. The way she leered and pouted was just deranged.
I have to admit I found that ridiculously erotic, though.

[Majik1387]

You really place Burton's Catwoman that high up there? And I'm not being critical of your opinion just asking what you liked about her.
Definitely. No offense to the comics before the movie, but I don't remember liking her all that much besides the chemistry between her and Batman. Not that she didn't have character, but she always seemed sort of flat to me. BR gave her character I felt she was missing. Yeah, she didn't steal anything in the movie, but I felt her story arc in the movie was strong enough without it; The chemistry with Bruce and Batman was there, and that's pretty much all I knew of her at the time.
I thought she was pretty good myself but not a big fan of her origin. Once she gets passed the "I don't know about you miss kitty but I feel yummier" line and in action fully formed I think she's great. But everything prior to that is kinda bleh, to me.
Eh, again, when I first saw BR, I really didn't know much about Catwoman's origin in the comics, and even to this day her comic origin is a bit confusing.
on a side note, even though I mock that line, I know it because I actually use to say it to my cat whenever I finished getting ready to go out because it weirded out my gf at the time.:woot: both have since ran away, go figure...
lol :csad:

[Schlosser85]

My top "big name" choice would be Charlize Theron, who I totally think could pull it off. Unlike some suggestions, she's hot, in good physical shape, AND a good actress, not always a combination you see.

I bet if Nolan used Catwoman, we wouldn't see someone like Angelina Jolie or Charlize Theron though, but some choice out of left-field that has hardly been mentioned.

[Majik1387]

I really don't like Theron for Catwoman at all.

[Laderlappen]

This time around, I doubt Nolan will cast somebody we havent mentioned.

[Hole Shot]

I really don't like Theron for Catwoman at all.

She's only getting play list because she won an oscar and like most of the more popular suggestions has played a character that has Catwoman like qualities.

If this was being made at the Devil's Advocate, Cider House Rules point in her career she wouldn't even be on the fanboy radar.

This time around, I doubt Nolan will cast somebody we havent mentioned.



why, because every hot brunette under the age of 35 on IMDB has been mentioned in this thread? Yeah, the odds are pretty good that someone will get the "I CALLED IT" trophy.

[Majik1387]

She's only getting play list because she won an oscar and like most of the more popular suggestions has played a character that has Catwoman like qualities.
I know, that's why I find it so annoying.
If this was being made at the Devil's Advocate, Cider House Rules point in her career she wouldn't even be on the fanboy radar.
Agreed. I mean I agree and she's a beautiful actress, but she can't do action believably, and I hate the excuse of stunt doubles.
why, because every hot brunette under the age of 35 on IMDB has been mentioned in this thread? Yeah, the odds are pretty good that someone will get the "I CALLED IT" trophy.
If so, I'm prepared to accept it for Keri Russell :oldrazz:

[BobJM]

me too. i love keri russell!

[Hole Shot]

I know, that's why I find it so annoying.


These casting threads usually are incredibley annoying because the most popular choices usually have the most superficial reasoning behind them. As in they already played a similar role (how the hell else does Biel end up here?) and/or they look the most like their vision of the character with no emphasis on whether they could play the part.

I mean I'm guilty of being superficial myself with the Paz post above, but I at least acknowledged it in that post and my motives were more an excuse to put up pictures of a woman I find incredibley gorgeous anyway :woot:.

[DarKJediKnight]

15 Contenders to play Catwoman after the Dark Knight from Den of Geek
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/85893/15_contenders_to_play_catwoman_after_the_dark_knig ht.html (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/85893/15_contenders_to_play_catwoman_after_the_dark_knig ht.html)

[Wesley Dodds]

I've always preffered the slim, lithe Catwoman to the curvier more buxom model. How about Christina Ricci?
She has the figure, the acting chops and her face is kinda like a composite of all of Selina's incarnations over the years.
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u12/christina-ricci-2.jpg
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hotricci.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/pearljammer78/Actresses%202/christina_ricci_13-1.jpg

[Majik1387]

That guy really has almost no idea what he's talking about when it comes to actresses/performers.

[Ethermatic]

That guy really has almost no idea what he's talking about when it comes to actresses/performers.

While I wouldn't go that far, I must say that some of his suggestions, and those that others contributed to his article, are a bit lacking. It's pretty much a list of the most popular or known actresses and why or why not.

Still, I wish Eva Green was on this poll.

[Laderlappen]

why, because every hot brunette under the age of 35 on IMDB has been mentioned in this thread? Yeah, the odds are pretty good that someone will get the "I CALLED IT" trophy.Because this time around I think many of us understands Nolan's casting a little better. For the previous characters fans reasons have been 'look like the character' and 'actor I kinda like(sometimes more than just the acting)'. Mostly from another blockbuster or popular tv-show. These kinds of choices are still suggested.
Nolan's actors have somethings incommon: Dramatic actor that makes either smaller movies or 'oscar-movies' and has made atleast one critically acclaimed performance the year before to a couple year before the movie was made. My guess its somebody in the same group, and I think we have covered every possible potential actress. We dont get it wrong because Nolan's choioces are strange.
We get it wrong because OUR choices are strange.
If so, I'm prepared to accept it for Keri Russell You accept it?

[darknite17]

Before the GI Joe band-wagon hits... Sienna Miller. Leather pants in a previous movie seem to be a pre-requisite on these boards.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg259/zoeve/SiennaMiller.jpg

[Two-Face]

Miller may look good but she has no acting chops....

[[A]]

Most of these girls don't

[darknite17]

She was okay in that Andy Warhol art movie with Guy Pierce. Layer cake she was just a sex object, and Stardust she played 2nd fiddle to Claire Danes. I see your point.
Many people have chosen actresses that can't act, I'm just racking my brains to find the perfect fit like everone else. Granted, its a tough call this Catwoman.

[cerealkiller182]

I liked Miller in Factory Girl, Layer Cake, and Interview. But shes still a little rough around the edges and there are better choices

[protoctista]

Marion Cotillard.

Problem solved.

[Cunning Stunts]

That guy really has almost no idea what he's talking about when it comes to actresses/performers.

Most everyone in this thread doesn't.

[regwec]

Thandie Newton.

She's been in some sh**, but has always managed to remain smelling of roses.

[BobJM]

Yeah I like her.

Just saw Seven Pounds last night and I fell in love again with Rosario Dawson. I'd be fine with her

[Dark Knight]

We should know that it's going to be a GOOD to GREAT actress who will be a conventional or unconventional choice. I still think it may come down to these actresses.

Jolie
Weisz
Cotillard
Portman
Winslett

Green and Beckinsale are other possibilities....

[regwec]

I don't really care for any of the names on that list. I suppose that I would choose Weisz, at a push.

[Hole Shot]

Marion Cotillard.

Problem solved.

only if she's capable of playing an American. Catwoman with a french accent = fail.



Portman


Way too tiny the play the part and I don't mean slim, I mean she's pratically a dwarf. I've seen her in real life, she'd look ridiculous in the role.

[Crook]

Why? A french accent would suit her sultry side.

[Hole Shot]

Why? A french accent would suit her sultry side.

French, Spanish, German, British, Slovakian, whatever. In my opinion, Selena has to be Gothamite.

On the last page I suggested Paz Vega who looks wise rules all over Cottilard and is a good actress herself, but I really wouldn't want a Spanish accent in my Catwoman either.

[Ethermatic]

Why? A french accent would suit her sultry side.

While I've got nothing against the French Cotillard as Selina Kyle/Catwoman, though I prever Eva Green, I think no matter what that the character should speak with an American accent. It's the way the character has always been portrayed and should be kept as such. If they don't, so be it. But sticking to the American accent is my preference.

[itsthebatman]

Thandie Newton.

She's been in some sh**, but has always managed to remain smelling of roses.
I heard she was pretty poor in W. Liked her in Crash, though.
I don't really care for any of the names on that list. I suppose that I would choose Weisz, at a push.
If someone pushed me into Rachel Weisz, I wouldn't complain.
We still on a Sienna Guillory tip?

[Ethermatic]

Before the GI Joe band-wagon hits... Sienna Miller. Leather pants in a previous movie seem to be a pre-requisite on these boards.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg259/zoeve/SiennaMiller.jpg

I had no idea it was a prerequisite. Either way, I think she looks horrible in this picture. And with that hair color in general. Sienna Miller has never done much for me, I must say.

[RachelDawes]

Just saw Seven Pounds last night and I fell in love again with Rosario Dawson. I'd be fine with her

I wish she had some major award nominations or wins to her name.

only if she's capable of playing an American. Catwoman with a french accent = fail.

I actually like the idea of a Catwoman with a slight accent as it makes her seem more exotic, mysterious, and alluring. However, we'll know if Marion can pull off an American accent after Public Enemies. I hope so since she's my #1 choice.

Way too tiny the play the part and I don't mean slim, I mean she's pratically a dwarf. I've seen her in real life, she'd look ridiculous in the role.

I'm shorter than she is by a few inches. :csad: Her height bothers me too, along with the fact that she simply looks too young for the part. If you were to tell me that she was a teenager I'd totally believe it.

[namtaB]

I had no idea it was a prerequisite. Either way, I think she looks horrible in this picture. And with that hair color in general. Sienna Miller has never done much for me, I must say.

She's done something for Balthasar Getty.

[regwec]

We still on a Sienna Guillory tip?
Sienna is a very special young lady, but many people are- frankly- phillistines.

[flickchick85]

I'm still rooting for a dual-accented Catwoman, since it would be a fresh take on the character, add to her mystique, and generally make her disguise and the fact that Bruce doesn't recognize her much more believable.

And that would probably be best accomplished by a foreign actress, since most of them train or have-trained themselves to use American accents for roles if they've been in Hollywood for any extended period of time, while most American actresses kinda suck at English/French/Russian/Any-accent-under-the-sun-that-doesn't-originate-in-America. I know I'm generalizing here. Sure, there are American actresses who can pull off other accents, but lets not use the, "But they have to do an American accent" argument against these European candidates - sooner or later, they're all probably gonna have to do one anyway, so let's just assume that at this point, and I consider their exotic accents to be an advantage for this role for the dual-accent purpose I mentioned above.

[Wesley Dodds]

I've always preffered the slim, lithe Catwoman to the curvier more buxom model. How about Christina Ricci?
She has the figure, the acting chops and her face is kinda like a composite of all of Selina's incarnations over the years.
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/fil...na-ricci-2.jpg
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hotricci.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ricci_13-1.jpg

[RustyCage]

I think everyone needs to mature beyond this whole 'Every popular hot actress should be Catwoman!' thing. Put some more thought into it people. I'm sure I'm not the first person to say so in the thread, but seriously, the poll made me do the hugest facepalm of my life. -_- lol

Nolan's going to be way more thoughtful and poetic with his choice for the character than just going 'omg Angelina Jolie has such a fine a** and is so popular, I gotta put her in the Catwoman suit and rake in big bucks!'. No, he's not Joel Schumacher, he's not gonna do that, guys. :whatever:

I've always preffered the slim, lithe Catwoman to the curvier more buxom model.

ABSOLUTELY agree with you on that, man!

I'm not sure about Christina Ricci though... it'd take some serious convincing for me to think she suited the role. I loved Sleepy Hollow, but she didn't strike me as a Selina/Catwoman type of actress in it. Can't remember what else I've seen her in...

[batboy99]

Shes a great actress, but way too small.

[cerealkiller182]

I'm sticking with Michelle Monaghan. Sexy, spunky, talented, charismatic, screen presence. Her attitude just comes off much more flirty and playful which is how I have always thought of Catwoman. Her body type isn't voluptuous but she is still sexy and has a body type better suited for cat burglary, fitting in tight places and staying to the shadows.

[batboy99]

My top two choices

http://fc57.deviantart.com/fs38/i/2008/316/2/5/J__mappelle_Catwoman_by_batboy99.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs39/i/2008/356/6/d/Faster_Kill_Pussycat_by_batboy99.jpg

[Dark Knight]

I don't really care for any of the names on that list. I suppose that I would choose Weisz, at a push.


Yeah well, those actresses are top notch and I don't think Nolan will be going with an average C-D list actress. He will go after the best of the best and the best of the best may go after the role themselves.

We should shorten our suggestions to GOOD to GREAT actresses and eliminate C-D listers.

[elgato]

This are my Catwomen, any of these,

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/catwomen_00.jpg


I would also like to see Cate Blanchett, or Michelle Monaghan

[Wesley Dodds]

Oh, please not Jolie! Anything but Jolie!

[elgato]

Oh, please not Jolie! Anything but Jolie!

I expected these reactions, is just that for me, Jolie is perfect for Catwoman being or not a celebrity, i don't care much about that either, as long as she can act and look the part i'm fine, she may be a big name, but she is right age, perfect look and awesome acting chops, she's fine to me

[Hole Shot]

I actually like the idea of a Catwoman with a slight accent as it makes her seem more exotic, mysterious, and alluring. However, we'll know if Marion can pull off an American accent after Public Enemies. I hope so since she's my #1 choice.

1 - you're somebody else that's changed your handle because we've had this same conversation before :yay:

2 - I'm not ok with her having any accent because it doesn't go with my vision of the character.

3 - If we're ok with Catwoman having a foreign accent, then I think Vega needs to be fully incorporated into all the discussions. I suggested her but wasn't serious because of the accent thing. If that's not a prereq for the actress then I think she should get just as much consideration as anybody else. Another thing I said in jest regarding Vega was that you could actually be born and raised in a major American city and have a latin accent, so with Vega I can get a Gotham local with a sexy accent that fits into my ideal superficial vision of the character. Me & Paz Vega for the win!:shock



P.S. Public Enemies may not answer that question because her character may not require an American accent. Billie Frechette who Cottilard is playing, was raised by her French Father and Native American mother on an Indian Reservation in the early 20th century so odds are she probably didn't have a common American accent or at the very least Michael Mann has an open door to take some liberties there for Cottilard.

[Crook]

Man, if Paz Vega gets a pass, then surely Penelope Cruz, who is superior in acting and looks should get a shot.

[cerealkiller182]

Cruz may be a better actor, but Vega is much better looking

[Hole Shot]

Man, if Paz Vega gets a pass, then surely Penelope Cruz, who is superior in acting and looks should get a shot.

Penelope Cruz doesn't do it for me. I mean she's hot, but Vega just gets my blood going. She's just a really classy/threatening sorta hot.



But Cottilard can get into the discussion, why not either of them? I think they're both talented enough to be in this film if that's the direction Nolan wants to take Selena.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I expected these reactions, is just that for me, Jolie is perfect for Catwoman being or not a celebrity, i don't care much about that either, as long as she can act and look the part i'm fine, she may be a big name, but she is right age, perfect look and awesome acting chops, she's fine to me


I agree... either way I don't care who ends up taking the role but I wouldn't mind Jolie. If she is, cool. If not, well no biggie.

Oh and I like the pic you used of Jolie in your earlier post. ;) niiiiice.

[Crook]

They both do it for me, to be honest. :o

But if we're gonna go for who can look hot and do a great job in acting, I'd be infinitely more comfortable with Cruz.

[Dark Knight]

This are my Catwomen, any of these,

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/catwomen_00.jpg


I would also like to see Cate Blanchett, or Michelle Monaghan




I like them all except Russell, Dushku, and Monaghan. Those girls I consider C-D listers. Monaghan would be a good Carol Ferris in the GL film though.

Blanchett would be good but in two years she will be 40 I believe.

Theron is blonde and I don't think Nolan will go for her. She looks awkward as a brunette also.

[elgato]

what's the problem with a blonde catwoman? well, better i shut up, i heelll don't want this discussion again!! :P

[Hole Shot]

They both do it for me, to be honest. :o

But if we're gonna go for who can look hot and do a great job in acting, I'd be infinitely more comfortable with Cruz.

That's because all we know of Vega in an English role is an Adam Sandler movie (which she did the best you could do with that role) and Spirit movie that's looking to be a trainwreck for all involved. Paz Vega is a way cooler name too. And she has the right body for the part in my opinion, Cruz is on the scrawnier side. And Bruce Wayne already had Tom Cruise sloppy seconds for a love interest, one is enough.



what's the problem with a blonde catwoman? well, better i shut up, i heelll don't want this discussion again!! :P

I'm going to say this just once and not again...
NO WASPY LOOKING SELENA KYLE!!!

[Dark Knight]

what's the problem with a blonde catwoman? well, better i shut up, i heelll don't want this discussion again!! :P



Well for one we have already seen a blonde version of Catwoman in Batman Returns and I think Nolan will choose to go with the more traditional brunette look for Selina Kyle. I'm sure Nolan will want to make sure there is a noticeable difference between his Selina and Burtons version of Ms Kyle.

[Crook]

That's because all we know of Vega in an English role is an Adam Sandler movie. Paz Vega is a way cooler name too. And she has the very nice physique, for the part in my opinion, Cruz is on the scrawnier side.
I'm a bit confused. Cruz is far from scrawny. Have you seen her in recent films like 'Vicky Cristina Barcelona'. She shows quite a bit, and I'd describe her more as shapely.

And Bruce Wayne already had Tom Cruise sloppy seconds for a love interest, one is enough.
Better sloppy seconds of Cruise....than Sandler. :oldrazz:

I'm going to say this just once and not again...
NO WASPY LOOKING SELENA KYLE!!!
We're not talking about Natalie Portman or Keira Knightley here.

Well for one we have already seen a blonde version of Catwoman in Batman Returns and I think Nolan will choose to go with the more traditional brunette look for Selina Kyle. I'm sure Nolan will want to make sure there is a noticeable difference between his Selina and Burtons version of Ms Kyle.
..and hair color is gonna do that?

[RachelDawes]

1 - you're somebody else that's changed your handle because we've had this same conversation before :yay:

WRONG! :oldrazz:

2 - I'm not ok with her having any accent because it doesn't go with my vision of the character.

That's fine. :up: I still think it could be a cool direction for her character, though.

3 - If we're ok with Catwoman having a foreign accent, then I think Vega needs to be fully incorporated into all the discussions. I suggested her but wasn't serious because of the accent thing. If that's not a prereq for the actress then I think she should get just as much consideration as anybody else. Another thing I said in jest regarding Vega was that you could actually be born and raised in a major American city and have a latin accent, so with Vega I can get a Gotham local with a sexy accent that fits into my ideal superficial vision of the character. Me & Paz Vega for the win!:shock

I looked Paz up on imdb, and she's a tad horsefaced. We need someone prettier to be Selina. I am not against Selina having a Spanish accent, however. Any foreign accent could add a hint of mystery to her character.

P.S. Public Enemies may not answer that question because her character may not require an American accent. Billie Frechette who Cottilard is playing, was raised by her French Father and Native American mother on an Indian Reservation in the early 20th century so odds are she probably didn't have a common American accent or at the very least Michael Mann has an open door to take some liberties there for Cottilard.

I'm sure there's room for Marion to do a French accent in the movie but I was under the impression that she was doing a stereotypically American one. BTW, here's a youtube video of her speaking American English. She's pretty good in spite of her awkward grammar, but that can be fixed if she just recites from a script. Tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W76WUvtonX8

[RachelDawes]

Paz Vega is a way cooler name too. And she has the right body for the part in my opinion, Cruz is on the scrawnier side. And Bruce Wayne already had Tom Cruise sloppy seconds for a love interest, one is enough.

I've long thought that Paz Vega would be a great Star Wars character name.

Someone on this board once said that Penelope Cruz looks like a chihuahua and now when I look at her that's all I see. You guys are probably better judges of beauty though since you're the target audience.

[Franklin Richards]

I'm going to say this just once and not again...
NO WASPY LOOKING SELENA KYLE!!!



But isn't she a blonde with blue eyes?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[july]

Marion Cotillard is inspired casting- she's stunning, super sexy yet mysterious and is one of the finest actresses in the world but if Angelina wants the role, then its hers for the taking for the following reasons:

1. She's currently the number one celebrity on the planet and the most beautiful woman in cinema.
2. She'll most likely win the Best Actress Oscar and gain even more clout within the industry.
3. The general public and the studio want her as Catwoman.

Nolan might want an unknown or little-known actress for the role but Angelina's hot right now and is the only a-list actress that could be Catwoman. I keep reading that Nolan tends to stay away from the big stars and go for the quirky, interesting character actors but I don't know if that is always the case because Katie Holmes was cast in Batman Begins and she was dreadful!

[Melkay]

^ July, everything you said about Cotillard is completely true. Yes, it is inspired casting. Yes, she's stunning, and she's mysterious to american movie-goers, which strengthens her performance. Yes, she's a superb actress, embodying in La Vie En Rose almost everything I could ask for a thespian.

It is only when you talk about the role being more suitable for Jolie that (obviously ;)) our disagreements begin:

1. I fail to see how her being the number one celebrity on the planet it's important to the casting, because in that case Obama could be introduced as Lucius Fox son.
2. She's not the most beautiful woman in cinema; that title is too subjective to be given to anyone. Current cinema is full of beautiful women. I, for example, see Jenniffer Connelly more beautiful.
3. She'll win the Best Actress Oscar? Where are you rading your Oscar Predictions, in Angelina's official fan site?
4. Do not care about what the general public wants. The general public doesn't know most of the time what's best for them. Remember Ledger's backlash. And you can see Beckinsale's position at the poll for more evidence.
5. You don't know what the studio wants. As far as we know, the studio wants what Nolan wants. And that's all.

[Melkay]

...Paz Vega who looks wise rules all over Cottilard...

I fail to see that. Vega's curvier but I think Catwoman should be slimmer. He face is also not so cat-like, at least with Cotillard, who has more alluring eyes than Vega.

Well, maybe everything is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not saying who's hotter or prettier, but who resembles more the Catwoman in my head.

[Laderlappen]

^I disagree too. Paz Vega is too supermodel-y, while marion is more ordinary looking with a more beautiful and less forgetable face.
And yeah Jolie wont win. In this point she's lucky if she'll be nominated, which Im not counting on.

[protoctista]

Firstly.

Why the sweet ******* is Eliza Dushku rearing her childish little head again in this discussion?

Can someone please explain, in a detailed proposition, why on earth she should be cast. I will happily destroy them.



And Cotillard ordinary looking???????

She's stunning.
Absolutely stunning.

[namtaB]

Firstly.

Why the sweet ******* is Eliza Dushku rearing her childish little head again in this discussion?

Can someone please explain, in a detailed proposition, why on earth she should be cast. I will happily destroy them.



And Cotillard ordinary looking???????

She's stunning.
Absolutely stunning.

http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/12/22/258208Eliza-Dushku-Posters.jpg (http://img.phyrefile.com/anonymous/2008/12/22/258208Eliza-Dushku-Posters.jpg)

[[A]]

She can't pull it off.

[Crook]

^I disagree too. Paz Vega is too supermodel-y,
What does that mean? Beauty shouldn't even really be a limit for Selina, since she's presumably right at the pinnacle of that ladder.

We have a hard enough time finding someone that could even match Michelle's look for this role. To be honest, I don't even think that'll happen.

[protoctista]

Is the picture meant to be the detailed proposition for her casting?

So you think she's hot?
So you've based entirely on that picture. That picture proves, entirely, categorically, why she should be cast?

If so, then you're a superficial ****wit and I can lay this bizarre case of fan-boy delinquincy to rest.

[namtaB]

http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/12/22/340x.jpg (http://img.phyrefile.com/anonymous/2008/12/22/340x.jpg)
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/83792566.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193003A50471BAAE0D5459E3843CAED6FEC 5A5397277B4DC33E

You like that huh? YEAHHHHHHHHHH. Shush, Shush, Shhhhhhh.

[Crook]

If so, then your a superficial ****wit and I can lay this bizarre case of fan-boy delinquincy to rest.
* You're.

[cerealkiller182]

Firstly.

Why the sweet ******* is Eliza Dushku rearing her childish little head again in this discussion?

Can someone please explain, in a detailed proposition, why on earth she should be cast. I will happily destroy them.

Because of Whedon

After fanboys are done sucking Nolan's **** they move on to Whedon.

[namtaB]

Is the picture meant to be the detailed proposition for her casting?

So you think she's hot?
So you've based entirely on that picture. That picture proves, entirely, categorically, why she should be cast?

If so, then your a superficial ****wit and I can lay this bizarre case of fan-boy delinquincy to rest.

I voted for her in this poll. Does that depress you?

[protoctista]

meh double

[protoctista]

I voted for her in this poll. Does that depress you?
Not really. I simply regard you as intellectually challenged.


Nice how you've completely sidestepped the issue though. Which makes you also a coward.

[namtaB]

Edited b/c some people are jealous.

[hatebox]

lol

[Majik1387]

I think she's a capable actress who hasn't taken on the right role to show off her range. We got a good portion of the traits similar to Selina where she's played Faith of the Buffy-verse, and she's expanded her range on the Tru Calling show. I just find her similar to Ledger in the fact that she's started as a teen hottie, yet unlike Ledger, she has yet to show her potential.

[Laderlappen]

And Cotillard ordinary looking???????

She's stunning.
Absolutely stunning.What I mean is, Marion doesnt have the superstar look and kinda does look like somebody you'd know. Still being one of the most beautiful women in hollywood.

[Two-Face]

http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/12/22/340x.jpg (http://img.phyrefile.com/anonymous/2008/12/22/340x.jpg)
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/83792566.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193003A50471BAAE0D5459E3843CAED6FEC 5A5397277B4DC33E

You like that huh? YEAHHHHHHHHHH. Shush, Shush, Shhhhhhh.



Like her? Love her.

[hatebox]

she's not a good enough actress.

[[A]]

most of the girls in that list aren't

[Majik1387]

Have you seen her act outside of Buffy?

[Brian Braddock]

Not really. I simply regard you as intellectually challenged.

Nice how you've completely sidestepped the issue though. Which makes you also a coward.


And you are needlessly confrontational and, well, just plain rude;

Seriously, have you just rejected civility altogether, or is this something that you're just trying out to see if you like it?

[Two-Face]

she's not a good enough actress.

I love her look only.:hehe:


No way I want her as Selina.

[MiniBond]

This are my Catwomen, any of these,

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/catwomen_00.jpg


I would also like to see Cate Blanchett, or Michelle Monaghan
the first two remain the best .......:bow:

[Melkay]

Let's not go there. I would bury you intellectually.

Under 30
Male
Intellectual Property Attorney

What's your stats?

Man, no offense, but you add the "Thinks Eliza Dushku would be the best possible Catwoman" line and the picture changes completely.

If I were you, I wouldn't tell your clients, at least.

[Cunning Stunts]

Have you seen her act outside of Buffy?

I have, and Eliza is terrible.

She's almost as overrated as Jessica Alba.

She falls into that category of, "She's pretty, so that makes her a great actress."

You could not be more wrong.

[Ace of Knaves]

Eliza Dushku is gorgeous, no doubt. But she can't act her way out of a paper bag. Even when she was SUPPOSED to be hammy and over the top cheesy (Jay and Silent Bob) she failed miserably.