The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Majik1387]

Androgyny is fun

[Two-Face]

:funny:

[batman11]

HAHAHA I knew that was coming.

Androgyny is fun

:funny:

:word:

[Shiaruki]

Well it depends on whether I would simply like some eye candy, or some decent acting.

Eye Candy ~ Jolie, Beckinsale.
Acting ~ Other.

Lets not give the role to ol' Halle, eh?

[StorminNorman]

Or how about Eye Candy that can act? Like Angelina Jolie.

[Shiaruki]

Or how about Eye Candy that can act? Like Angelina Jolie.

Never did consider that :wow:... good point, good point...

[Laderlappen]

Because its impossible for Nolan to MAKE her interesting :huh:Enough for Cate Blanchett to be cast? Yes. Well...not IMPOSSIBLE. He could decide to make the 3rd movie Sarah Essen Begins insteead of Batman3 and change the whole character plus make the movie very little about batman. But that's something I dont see happening.

[The Major]

Well it depends on whether I would simply like some eye candy, or some decent acting.

Eye Candy ~ Jolie, Beckinsale.
Acting ~ Other.

Beckinsale can act.

Lets not give the role to ol' Halle, eh?
:funny:

[InvisibleWoman]

I'm still in Rachel Weisz' corner...but can I just post a few pics that made me go DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN GIRL!! I wouldn't complain if they chose Mia Kirshner, that's for certain.

http://www.tele7.fr/var/t7j/storage/images/programme-television/serie-tv/the-l-word/the-l-word-la-galerie-photos/mia-kirschner/5878926-1-fre-FR/mia_kirschner_image_diaporama_portrait.jpg

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[Crook]

I like Mia, but she's fairly limited in range. She's good at what she does though.

[InvisibleWoman]

I like Mia, but she's fairly limited in range. She's good at what she does though.

I thought she was the highlight in The Black Dahlia tbh. I def thinks she looks the part...still want Rachel Weisz cos' at least we all know she has the ability acting wise...but I think Mia could pull it off...and perhaps surprise a few people along the way.

[july]

The problem I have with Cate Blanchett, Charlize Theron, Kate Beckinsale and Rachel Weisz is that they aren't sexy. They might be beautiful and capable actresses but they lack that sexy spark- Catwoman needs to be sexy. Marion Cotillard and Eva Green are two of the very few actresses who are both beautiful and very sexy (and great actresses too).

[Alex Logan]

The problem I have with Cate Blanchett, Charlize Theron, Kate Beckinsale and Rachel Weisz is that they aren't sexy. They might be beautiful and capable actresses but they lack that sexy spark- Catwoman needs to be sexy. Marion Cotillard and Eva Green are two of the very few actresses who are both beautiful and very sexy (and great actresses too).

:wow:

[[A]]

The only thing Mia Kirshner can play is over-the-top excessively horny ****s. And not very well, I might add. I get more authenticity from Natalie Sparks.

[Crook]

Man, 4AM nights and googling vixens does not bode a "safe" browsing experience. Now I need some alone time. :o

In any case, both those girls are effortlessly hot and well authenticated, imo. :up:

[july]

Just because a woman is Beautiful, that doesn't automatically make her sexy. Ellen Barkin is not beautiful, not even attractive but she is one sexy woman.

[Crook]

It's impossible to be unattractive and sexy at the same time. They both go hand-in-hand. You are on point about beauty and sexiness however.

[Ace of Knaves]

The problem I have with Cate Blanchett, Charlize Theron, Kate Beckinsale and Rachel Weisz is that they aren't sexy. They might be beautiful and capable actresses but they lack that sexy spark- Catwoman needs to be sexy. Marion Cotillard and Eva Green are two of the very few actresses who are both beautiful and very sexy (and great actresses too).


Errrr what? The woman is a frickin goddess. Tell me, have you seen her in that Underworld outfit? And she does have a sexy spark IMO.

But that doesn't mean i want her for Selina.

[july]

Errrr what? The woman is a frickin goddess. Tell me, have you seen her in that Underworld outfit? And she does have a sexy spark IMO.

But that doesn't mean i want her for Selina.


Anyone of the women on the poll would look good in black leather-so what! If a movie star doesn't look good in black leather, she shouldn't be in the movies.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I know what you are saying. But Beckinsale is sexy as ****. I think you are just hearing her silly toff accent and thinking she wouldn't be sexy. But in all her interviews and that she comes across sorta naturally sexy and flirty.

[hatebox]

The problem I have with Cate Blanchett, Charlize Theron, Kate Beckinsale and Rachel Weisz is that they aren't sexy. They might be beautiful and capable actresses but they lack that sexy spark- Catwoman needs to be sexy. Marion Cotillard and Eva Green are two of the very few actresses who are both beautiful and very sexy (and great actresses too).

I don't think you can say the likes of Theron aren't 'sexy' (as opposed to beautiful) and then go on to say Cutillard has that magic spark. Well, you can but I won't agree with you. If we're going by raw sex appeal i'd say that when she wants to Theron can exude the most. Followed by Green. But it's all opinion of course.

[Laderlappen]

All those women are pretty sexy. Just because they dont have that personality doesnt mean they can bring it out for the movie.

[Two-Face]

This is NOT sexy????:huh:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/Kate-Beckinsale-19-1.jpg

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[Ace of Knaves]

Oooooo Matron!

[Mercurius]

Beckinsale is too much the action /romantic comedy actress.

I would hope for some edgy choice. Beckinsale is too tacky. My vote goes to Cotillard.

[Two-Face]

And Theron is hot too. You'll probably melt if she was front of you....

[Mercurius]

And Theron is hot too. You'll probably melt if she was front of you....

:woot::woot::woot: yeah, sweet vision, that one you just suggested...

Theron is supersexy and fine actress. I would love to see her as Catwoman.

But I guess it would attract some similarities (even if superficial) with Pfeiffer.

Somehow, I think, if Nolan is to use Catwoman, he'll call a very peculiar actress, quite different physically from Pfeiffer.

[Two-Face]

:woot::woot::woot: yeah, sweet vision, that one you just suggested...

Theron is supersexy and fine actress. I would love to see her as Catwoman.

But I guess it would attract some similarities (even if superficial) with Pfeiffer.

Somehow, I think, if Nolan is to use Catwoman, he'll call a very peculiar actress, quite different physically from Pfeiffer.



Keri Russell is more on path with Michelle P. on lookwise as Selina.

[Laderlappen]

Not much.

[Crook]

When made up, the resemblance is striking:

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[flickchick85]

I agree with what's being said about "the edge," but I think some of those actresses, like Theron and Weisz, could project it if they wanted to. I don't think Beckinsale could, though.

That's another plus for Cotillard, though, because she naturally has it. She has this quality she projects on occasion with her male co-stars when she's playing somewhat volatile characters (like in Love Me if You Dare or Pretty Things) - I'm not sure if it's a look, demeanor, or both - where it seems equally possible that she's either gonna kiss or kill them (in A Very Long Engagement, it's actually the latter), but whatever the case, they're helpless. I dunno if I described that well, lol, but it's a quality I think Catwoman needs to have. It makes her formidable, as a nemesis and as a love interest.

[july]

Marion Cotillard is just effortlessly sexy- even when she won her Oscar, when she was on the red carpet. The way she spoke, the way she moved, she stood out from all the other women there.
Eva Greens performance in ''Kingdom Of Heaven" is a great example of a truly sexy actress at the top of her game (even though the film wasn't great). The scene where Eva is subtly trying to seduce Orlando Bloom while they're dining by candlelight and she's eating with her hands and licking her fingers (remember the film was set in the middle east at the time of the crusades), is smoking hot. It could've been tacky and obvious and it would've been with any other actress who lacked Green's natural sexiness.

[flickchick85]

Quite OT, I agree the theatrical cut was terrible, but the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was actually very good. I can see why Eva Green refused to promote the film after the butchering of her role mandated by the studio. Her character was definitely the one who suffered the most in the chopping of the theatrical cut.

[july]

It didn't help that Orlando Bloom was the lead. Eva deserves better than that.

[Ethermatic]

Quite OT, I agree the theatrical cut was terrible, but the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was actually very good. I can see why Eva Green refused to promote the film after the butchering of her role mandated by the studio. Her character was definitely the one who suffered the most in the chopping of the theatrical cut.

Quite true. Ridley Scott's director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven made it into a whole other film, almost. A better film. Too bad the studio got too involved. And yes, Eva Green was quite wonderful in it. Especially in the scenes most people hardly got to see.

[Ace of Knaves]

The best thing about Kingdom of Heaven was the cameo by Richard the Lionheart at the end. OOOOOOoooooaaaaayyy!!!

[jwhitehouse]

Quite true. Ridley Scott's director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven made it into a whole other film, almost. A better film. Too bad the studio got too involved. And yes, Eva Green was quite wonderful in it. Especially in the scenes most people hardly got to see.

+1 to that. The Director's Cut is a great film, and not a mere short extension like most director's cuts.

On another note, has anyone mentioned Natalie Portman as Catwoman?

On yet another note, I think the most important aspect is to get someone who is credible as doing the physical stuff that Catwoman will have to do.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Natalie Portman has been mentioned a few times. I personally think she looks too young to be paired with Bale. And I don't think they would be able to get a good chemistry, that's what's been lacking from Nolans films. Bale hasn't had a good chemistry with either Katie or Maggie IMO.

[Laderlappen]

+1 to that. The Director's Cut is a great film, and not a mere short extension like most director's cuts.

On another note, has anyone mentioned Natalie Portman as Catwoman?

On yet another note, I think the most important aspect is to get someone who is credible as doing the physical stuff that Catwoman will have to do.I strongly disagree(and I said this before :woot:). Any body can learn this.

[jwhitehouse]

I strongly disagree(and I said this before :woot:). Any body can learn this.

Fair enough, but I do think *anyone* is overly broad. We're in a heightened realistic world, it feels wrong to use ignore reality that Catwoman will have to be incredibly agile and fairly strong.

[july]

Action scenes nowadays are filmed and edited in a way that you don't know what the hell is going on- its all quicktakes and blurs. This is most likely done to prevent actors from doing the gruelling stuff and leaving it to the stuntmen/women to do. Its a trend I hope won't continue.

[Laderlappen]

Fair enough, but I do think *anyone* is overly broad. We're in a heightened realistic world, it feels wrong to use ignore reality that Catwoman will have to be incredibly agile and fairly strong.Unless Catwoman makes any really difficult things, then yes 'anyone'. Anyone who is willing to take the role seriously.

[Laderlappen]

Action scenes nowadays are filmed and edited in a way that you don't know what the hell is going on- its all quicktakes and blurs. This is most likely done to prevent actors from doing the gruelling stuff and leaving it to the stuntmen/women to do. Its a trend I hope won't continue.Im with you there.

[[A]]

I don't really think that action scenes are confusing nowadays. People whining over Quantum of Solace made me laughing. People not only has lazy fingers these days--they also have lazy eyes. Oh well :whatever:

[july]

I should have been clearer, I meant fight scenes not action scenes.

[Crook]

Action scenes nowadays are filmed and edited in a way that you don't know what the hell is going on- its all quicktakes and blurs. This is most likely done to prevent actors from doing the gruelling stuff and leaving it to the stuntmen/women to do. Its a trend I hope won't continue.
Well in the films that are most noted for using them in recent years such as QoS, Bourne, and TDK, despite the rapid filming style, the actors did do the stunts/action themselves.

What others have used it, to mask the stunt doubles?

[Crook]

...

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'm finding that a lot more actors these days are doing their own stunts, well at least a majority of the stunts.

[batboy99]

The only Aussie actress I can see as Catwoman is Abbie Cornish- she was awesome opposite Heath Ledger in Candy and is one of the best younger actresses around.
Cate Blanchett looks older than she actually is and really isn't alluring or sexy- and I find her acting to be too 'theatrical', though that may be an advantage for this role.Abbie looks so much morel ike a Harley Quinn type actress than catwoman.

I think Blanchett is a great, great actress. But I just wouldn't be able to believe her as Selina Kyle, not matter how good her performance would be. She just seems too regal and sophisticated looking. Maybe thats me being small minded but, well, HAHAHAHAHA.
I could understand that, but she can definetly have a rougher edge to her(The shipping news). She doesnt look as regal there as she does in her other movies.

[batboy99]

Cate for Sarah Essen :)
No. As others said, she would do great, but it would be a waste. Sur,e shes played supporting roles, but her supporting roles are usually bigger than most suppoerting roles.

Cate for Catwoman :o

I just see a better chemistry between her and Oldman, instead of Bale, but then again, I haven't seen Bale have any kind of chemistry with any of his female costars in any of his movies.

You could never be too sure. I think Bale is an awesome actor, but like you said, he hasnt had much chemistry with his female costars,but who knows? Maybe he might have good chemistry with Cate?



Oh,and if they get her to look like this, I'm behind the idea another 100% Just make her a brunette.

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And with make-up, she definetly can look younger. Like in Benjamin Button(though Im not too sure if it was CGI or just make-up, but either wa,y she looked younger than her actual age)

[Two-Face]

Why bother? just go with an actress same age as Bale or a bot younger.

[batboy99]

Why not?
Never said they had to. But it doesnt really matter. I mean, bale doesnt look all that young himself IMO.(He doesnt look old either, but not very young)

[Hooded Justice]

I'm glad Angelina got the majority of votes for the names. But I'm amazed that the overall majority voted for anyone other than any of those names. Who the hell DO you people want then?

[july]

Yea I'm finding that a lot more actors these days are doing their own stunts, well at least a majority of the stunts.


They do theIr own stunts because the huge amount of time it takes to choreograph fight scenes is no longer needed- the rapid style of filming and editing has replaced all that. In the second Jason Bourne film, there was a fight scene ( I think set in Berlin )where the audience, for a long period of time, did not get to see Matt Damon or the other guys face. I'm not saying that it wasn't Damon doing the fight scene but inorder to save time and money, filmmakers could just use stunt people if this blurry and confusing style of filming is going to be used.

[Ethermatic]

I'm glad Angelina got the majority of votes for the names. But I'm amazed that the overall majority voted for anyone other than any of those names. Who the hell DO you people want then?

Eva Green. I still owe Melkay a reason why. But yeah, Eva Green.

[WolfCypher]

Has anyone seen this yet?

Catwoman (http://www.comicvine.com/news/rachel-weisz-catwoman-in-batman-3/137672/)

[Ethermatic]

Has anyone seen this yet?

Catwoman (http://www.comicvine.com/news/rachel-weisz-catwoman-in-batman-3/137672/)

Just another rumor, I'm sure. It's pretty clear to me that Nolan is busy with other things and while I'm sure he's discussed a third film, he's yet to make any hard decisions. Let alone make them public. Let alone make any casting decisions as of yet.

[july]

I think Rachel Weisz's publicist/manager/entourage are working overtime to generate interest in her but as the saying goes you can put lipstick on a pig.....
Just kidding- she's a fine looking woman but she aint catwoman.

[flickchick85]

They do theIr own stunts because the huge amount of time it takes to choreograph fight scenes is no longer needed- the rapid style of filming and editing has replaced all that. In the second Jason Bourne film, there was a fight scene ( I think set in Berlin )where the audience, for a long period of time, did not get to see Matt Damon or the other guys face. I'm not saying that it wasn't Damon doing the fight scene but inorder to save time and money, filmmakers could just use stunt people if this blurry and confusing style of filming is going to be used.
To be fair though, the "old fashioned way" that let the audience see the action was to have the camera pulled back wide so you couldn't tell that it was a stunt double. But stunt doubles were used just as much, if not more so. The fast cutting and handheld cameras in the Bourne series is Paul Greengrass's style - it wasn't done for lazy or financial reasons. And while I agree that he may occasionally (but rarely) go a little overboard, that car chase in the 2nd one is one of my all-time favorite car chases, and the fight with The Asset in Ultimatum is one of my all-time favorite fight sequences, and I have no problem seeing what's going on in them, so I guess I think he's doing something right. And those Bourne fights are very extensively choreographed, btw, just more "realistically" so and less showy.

I do think Marc Forster kind of abused the style in Quantum of Solace, though. Greengrass knows how to use it effectively in an action sequence - Forster was just inexperienced with action movies in general, and yes, I think he did use it as a bit of a crutch. For the record, though, I normally like Marc Forster as a director, but Martin Campbell was much more schooled in action - more specifically, in the "old-fashioned" action style. And you'll notice, there are plenty of wide shots in Casino Royale that were using stunt doubles. I'm not saying that's laziness, either, just the difference in styles. Both styles use stunt doubles, and both styles can make for effective action sequences, that's all I'm saying.

[InvisibleWoman]

Just a quick question about the age of Selina...

What's the youngest and oldest ages you would accept for an actress to play Selina?

If they cast a 21 year old, but she was physically perfect and was a good enough actress, would that be OK?

What if they DID cast Cate Blanchett? She is 40 this year which would make her 5 years older then Bale...would it throw off the aesthetics?

Is age important?

[Two-Face]

Has anyone seen this yet?

Catwoman (http://www.comicvine.com/news/rachel-weisz-catwoman-in-batman-3/137672/)

Old rumor.

[flickchick85]

Just a quick question about the age of Selina...

What's the youngest and oldest ages you would accept for an actress to play Selina?

If they cast a 21 year old, but she was physically perfect and was a good enough actress, would that be OK?

What if they DID cast Cate Blanchett? She is 40 this year which would make her 5 years older then Bale...would it throw off the aesthetics?

Is age important?
I don't care how old they are, just how old they seem. If they seem like a good match up for Bale, then all's good. If they seem like a kid next to him (ala Natalie Portman, Abbie Cornish) or like a mom/big sister (erm, Monica Bellucci? Maybe Cate Blanchett...that one could go either way), then no good. Otherwise, fair game.

[Michellemabelle]

I think Shawnee Smith of the Saw films could be a good Selina. She has a very catlike quality about her.

[Ace of Knaves]

What about Britney Spears? She is a great actress, I think she would be perfectly suited to Selina Kyle.

[Majik1387]

:dry:

[Two-Face]

What about Britney Spears? She is a great actress, I think she would be perfectly suited to Selina Kyle.

"You're funny man Mr Bond" :hehe:

Sorry I had to quote Le Cheife from Casino Royale.

[Ace of Knaves]

hahahaha

[Laderlappen]

From one horror actress to another^

[Ace of Knaves]

What about Michelle Monaghan?

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/wozza69/MichilleMonaghan.jpg

[elgato]

This is my Catwoman =)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh283/Shou1981/Blends-Headers/blendmarionccopy.png

[Crook]

That reminds me, I'd love for Selina to have green eyes.

[Cunning Stunts]

Eva Green. I still owe Melkay a reason why. But yeah, Eva Green.

Eva Green- because she's a great actress who I feel deserves a big role like this, despite that she hasn't been acting that long or in that many films. As a little icing to that, I feel she could bring a kind of gothic sexiness to Catwoman. For some reason, she just feels like the most perfect fit with Christian Bale as well... Chemistry-wise.

[Blackman]

KAte Beckinsale or Michelle Monaghan

[Hooded Justice]

I don't care how old they are, just how old they seem. If they seem like a good match up for Bale, then all's good. If they seem like a kid next to him (ala Natalie Portman, Abbie Cornish) or like a mom/big sister (erm, Monica Bellucci? Maybe Cate Blanchett...that one could go either way), then no good. Otherwise, fair game.

Agreed.

Eva Green- because she's a great actress who I feel deserves a big role like this, despite that she hasn't been acting that long or in that many films. As a little icing to that, I feel she could bring a kind of gothic sexiness to Catwoman. For some reason, she just feels like the most perfect fit with Christian Bale as well... Chemistry-wise.

Could she do an American accent though?

[regwec]

Thandie Newton for me, or Emily Blunt.

[Two-Face]

Agreed.



Could she do an American accent though?



Could be said same for Marion C.

[Cunning Stunts]

Could she do an American accent though?

You're aware that the woman is French and does English accents incredibly convincingly, right?

Even if she can't nail an American accent now, there's a thing called accent coaching, which many actors and actresses use. Our accent isn't as hard as our language is, so long as you can get past hearing all of us as if we're hillbillies*.

*The reason I say that is because, when I lived in England, and from other "accent coaching" teachings I've read/heard from, almost any time you ask any typical person from a foreign country to do an American accent, they'd do an impression of Billy Bob Thornton. Just clearing the air here.

[Hooded Justice]

You're aware that the woman is French and does English accents incredibly convincingly, right?

Even if she can't nail an American accent now, there's a thing called accent coaching, which many actors and actresses use. Our accent isn't as hard as our language is, so long as you can get past hearing all of us as if we're hillbillies*.

*The reason I say that is because, when I lived in England, and from other "accent coaching" teachings I've read/heard from, almost any time you ask any typical person from a foreign country to do an American accent, they'd do an impression of Billy Bob Thornton. Just clearing the air here.

Some actors and actresses can do really convincing American accents, like Christian Bale, and some fail miserably. If Eva Green can't make a convincingly American Selina Kyle, she shouldn't play the role.

[Ethermatic]

Some actors and actresses can do really convincing American accents, like Christian Bale, and some fail miserably. If Eva Green can't make a convincingly American Selina Kyle, she shouldn't play the role.

And if she can?

[Changeling]

I'm diggin the Cate Blanchett choice. Especially after Benjamin Button

[Hooded Justice]

And if she can?

Still don't think she's quite right. She just doesn't look like Selina to me.

I'm diggin the Cate Blanchett choice. Especially after Benjamin Button

Cate Blanchett's too old for Christian Bale though.

[Changeling]

HELL YEAH! 1000TH POST! And Cate Blanchett for Catwoman.

[Hooded Justice]

HELL YEAH! 1000TH POST! And Cate Blanchett for Catwoman.

Congratulations.

[Crook]

I'm diggin the Cate Blanchett choice. Especially after Benjamin Button
I am not going to lie, she did look stunning in TCOBB. Especially during the latter half, where she was a late 20's red-head. Man....CGI goes a long way. :o



Kidding, kidding. But to be fair, a fair use of sfx was used to make her look young. Though as I've said, she still looked remarkably stunning. With that said, however, I still think she has the wrong look for Selina. Believe me, if there was a role I believe she'd fit well with in the Batman movies, I'd be the first to mention her. She's a phenomenal actress and we'd be incredibly fortunate to have Cate on board. But nothing for me is clicking at the moment.

[Hooded Justice]

I am not going to lie, she did look stunning in TCOBB. Especially during the latter half, where she was a late 20's red-head. Man....CGI goes a long way. :o



Kidding, kidding. But to be fair, a fair use of sfx was used to make her look young. Though as I've said, she still looked remarkably stunning. With that said, however, I still think she has the wrong look for Selina. Believe me, if there was a role I believe she'd fit well with in the Batman movies, I'd be the first to mention her. She's a phenomenal actress and we'd be incredibly fortunate to have Cate on board. But nothing for me is clicking at the moment.

I can see Cate as Maggie Sawyer in a Superman franchise.

[margon]

whoever she is, the actress for Catwoman needs to put on some extra pounds in the ass

[Franklin Richards]

No thanks. I don't think an acrobatic cat burglar needs a ghetto ass.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Cunning Stunts]

Some actors and actresses can do really convincing American accents, like Christian Bale, and some fail miserably. If Eva Green can't make a convincingly American Selina Kyle, she shouldn't play the role.

Do you seriously follow me around JUST to get an opportunity to blow your wisdom out of your ass?

[Crook]

No thanks. I don't think an acrobatic cat burglar needs a ghetto ass.


:thing: :doom: :thing:
Who said anything about that? Maybe you're just projecting. :o

[Majik1387]

Eva Green is too dowdy looking for Catwoman

[Cunning Stunts]

Eva Green is too dowdy looking for Catwoman

Get over it. Marion Cotillard has funny lips.

No tag backs.

[Majik1387]

:huh:
Weirdo

[solidsnake86]

Cate Blanchett and marion cotillard are the last people I want to see cast as catwoman.

[Laderlappen]

The 2 last people you want to see as Catwoman are 2 of the most talanted actrsses in hollywood? That makes me very curious who you want to see.

[Ace of Knaves]

Eliza Dushku I bet.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No thanks. I don't think an acrobatic cat burglar needs a ghetto ass.


:thing: :doom: :thing:Gotta love those pseudo racist posts.:yay:

[Changeling]

Haha yeah...
And laderlappen what was your signature before?

[Mercurius]

Cate Blanchett and marion cotillard are the last people I want to see cast as catwoman.

You are one of the last people I want to see as Catwoman. :grin:

[WeaponXProject]

No thanks. I don't think an acrobatic cat burglar needs a ghetto ass.


:thing: :doom: :thing:


Would it be such a bad thing to you if she was portrayed by a black actress? I'm not attacking you at all, I'm asking in general if people think it would be such a bad thing for a black woman to play the character. Race and characters do not bother me that much. My first memory of her was of Eartha Kitt, not Michelle Phfieffer (too many ffff's?). I don't see the problem with that. We already had an Irish actor play an Arabian comicbook character when Liam was Ra's.

I just don't want any Ellen Page's or Evan Rachel Wood's playing Selina. I want a sexy, tall and lean Selina Kyle that shines with confidence but still is crooked.

[Laderlappen]

Haha yeah...
And laderlappen what was your signature before?The complain was that it was too long or something like that. It was my personal cast for Batman3.

[batboy99]

HELL YEAH! 1000TH POST! And Cate Blanchett for Catwoman.
Yay! :D :D
I am not going to lie, she did look stunning in TCOBB. Especially during the latter half, where she was a late 20's red-head. Man....CGI goes a long way. :o



Kidding, kidding. But to be fair, a fair use of sfx was used to make her look young. Though as I've said, she still looked remarkably stunning. With that said, however, I still think she has the wrong look for Selina. Believe me, if there was a role I believe she'd fit well with in the Batman movies, I'd be the first to mention her. She's a phenomenal actress and we'd be incredibly fortunate to have Cate on board. But nothing for me is clicking at the moment.
Yup the sfx were amazing, but even so,Im sure some of it was makeup.

[Laderlappen]

Cate looked great in the parts when she was portraying her own age. What I've seen from stills and trailers, I havent seen the movie yet.

[Crook]

The only parts where she had make-up is when she's an old lady. Everything else was straight-up cgi retouching using Lola (method first seen in X3). Even then though, the sfx technicians said not much had to be done, because Cate has almost flawless, smooth, porcelain skin.

[batboy99]

That she does. I think makeup would work just fine.

[solidsnake86]

You are one of the last people I want to see as Catwoman. :grin:

Thats a cute comeback. I didnt know I would hit such a big nerve with people. I don't really have a lead choice since I think casting debates are kind of ridiculous and ultimately lead to disappointment for many (such as this obsession with cotillard. I just find it funny that some prefer blanchett over weisz and jolie. I mean, just because they are good actresses doesnt mean there right for the role. Frankly Blanchett is in so many movies that the argument against jolie should be thrown out the window.

[batboy99]

Yeah, but when people bring up that argument, I think they are talking more about her image in the media,being in the media alot ,not about being in alot of movies.

[Cunning Stunts]

The funny part about the fact that Blanchett's age is repeatedly brought up...

She's only got 5 years on Bale. Get over it. If she's in Batman 3, her appearance would be changed via make-up or prosthetics to more suit her character's age.

[batboy99]

Exactly. She isnt THAT old. People make it sound like she's 50 or something.



BTW, I could see Green as Catwoman.

[Laderlappen]

Thats a cute comeback. I didnt know I would hit such a big nerve with people. I don't really have a lead choice since I think casting debates are kind of ridiculous and ultimately lead to disappointment for many (such as this obsession with cotillard. I just find it funny that some prefer blanchett over weisz and jolie. I mean, just because they are good actresses doesnt mean there right for the role. Frankly Blanchett is in so many movies that the argument against jolie should be thrown out the window.Weisz huh? So you're not totally full of S then? Except for that I completely dissagree with every single point you make.

[Cunning Stunts]

Exactly. She isnt THAT old. People make it sound like she's 50 or something.



BTW, I could see Green as Catwoman.

As of recent, I'm slowly moving away from Weisz as my #1 pick (I'd much rather her as Talia- she seems to fit there more in my head for some odd reason), and moving closer to Green, where Blanchett would probably be my #2.

Honestly, I see Green as perfect for the role, but Blanchett and Weisz are both great actresses and I wouldn't complain with either of the three.

[batboy99]

Yay, more Blanchett fans.

Weisz is beautiful, but someone mentioned a while ago that shes at the point in her career where she is play ''motherly'' roles and unfortunatly, that is true.

As for Green, she could definetly work, though I liek her for Talia as well. Shes beautiful, but she does have alot of bad moments.

[solidsnake86]

Weisz huh? So you're not totally full of S then? Except for that I completely dissagree with every single point you make.

No offence but who exactly do you think you are to say that I'm full of ****. This is a forum and opinions can be stated. I don't like Blanchett's look, so sue me. Judy dench is a great actress, you dont see me saying she should be catwoman because she's one. Thats the way some of you sound. Some of you are gonna be heartbroken when none of the actresses mentioned here are chosen.

[batboy99]

I HATE it when people use older actresses like Dench or Streep for excuses. OBVIOUSLY you arent gonig to route for them ,because they're WAY too old.
Blanchett is suggested because shes a great actress, not too old, good looking,good body etc.

[Alex Logan]

The 2 last people you want to see as Catwoman are 2 of the most talanted actrsses in hollywood? That makes me very curious who you want to see.

Two of the most talanted actresses in hollywood, one who hasn't completed a part on any film speaking full english and other who is not the right age for the part.

Yes, those are great choices! :up:

No offence but who exactly do you think you are to say that I'm full of ****. This is a forum and opinions can be stated. I don't like Blanchett's look, so sue me. Judy dench is a great actress, you dont see me saying she should be catwoman because she's one. Thats the way some of you sound. Some of you are gonna be heartbroken when none of the actresses mentioned here are chosen.

An opinion here? Just who do you think you are? You can't have one of those here!!!!

[Cunning Stunts]

Two of the most talanted actresses in hollywood, one who hasn't completed a part on any film speaking full english and other who is not the right age for the part.

Yes, those are great choices! :up:

And you apparently don't have the brain to comprehend what it takes to play a part in a movie.

Even better. :up:

[flickchick85]

Two of the most talanted actresses in hollywood, one who hasn't completed a part on any film speaking full english and other who is not the right age for the part.

Yes, those are great choices!


Marion Cotillard spoke English in A Good Year, she's currently doing three English-language movies, one with an American accent, and I'm sure she'll be doing many more to come. That argument doesn't hold weight.

[Alex Logan]

And you apparently don't have the brain to comprehend what it takes to play a part in a movie.

Even better. :up:

And yet, you attack me with a personal insult against my character to prove a point where there isn't one?

The best. :up:

[Laderlappen]

No offence but who exactly do you think you are to say that I'm full of ****. This is a forum and opinions can be stated. I don't like Blanchett's look, so sue me. Judy dench is a great actress, you dont see me saying she should be catwoman because she's one. Thats the way some of you sound. Some of you are gonna be heartbroken when none of the actresses mentioned here are chosen.Well of course:woot:. Its really everything you said. Calling fancasting ridiculous when its just for fun, calling some people obsessive because they think Marion is a great actress, saying that we dont have any reason for wanting Cate or Marion for the role besides their acting resume, and for saying Cate and Marionare the 2 last ones that should get the part.

For the 2nd bold part, you could either sound like the way you mentioned, or you could sound like you only focuses on the looks.

[Alex Logan]

Marion Cotillard spoke plenty of English in A Good Year, she's currently doing three English-language movies, one with and American accent, and I'm sure she'll be doing many more to come. That argument doesn't hold weight.

I would say that "plenty" is not enough and until those films are completed and Marion proves that she can pull off a convincing english accent that argument holds all the weight in the world.

[Laderlappen]

Two of the most talanted actresses in hollywood, one who hasn't completed a part on any film speaking full english and other who is not the right age for the part.

Yes, those are great choices! :up:So you think:
a terrible american 35 year old actress > a great 40 year old actress or a great 35 year old french actress

?

[Alex Logan]

So you think:
a terrible american 35 year old actress > a great 40 year old actress or a great 35 year old french actress

?

And who would that be?

[Laderlappen]

Does it matter? That guy/girl said Cate and Marion were the last 2 people that should be cast.

[Cunning Stunts]

And yet, you attack me with a personal insult against my character to prove a point where there isn't one?

The best. :up:

Not your character, your intelligence and know-how pertaining to acting and theatre.

Nice try, though. :up:

[Ethermatic]

All right, people. That's enough. You wanna get the last word in with sarcasm, by all means do so in private messages. Otherwise, get back on topic, stay on topic, and do so without insulting each other, please.

[flickchick85]

I would say that "plenty" is not enough and until those films are completed and Marion proves that she can pull off a convincing english accent that argument holds all the weight in the world.
I took out "plenty," because she spoke English entirely except for a few asides to her fellow Frenchmen. The main characters in that movie all spoke English, and her scenes were with them, sooo.....she spoke English in an English-language film, period. And screening reports from Public Enemies that discussed her character didn't mention her accent at all, and we know for sure she's doing an American one in that, so it sounds to me like she succeeded. And she's a phenomenal actress, so I can't see why we would assume that she couldn't. It's not like she didn't know the language before or something.

[Crook]

Does it matter? That guy/girl said Cate and Marion were the last 2 people that should be cast.
Most likely hyperbole.

[Alex Logan]

Does it matter? That guy/girl said Cate and Marion were the last 2 people that should be cast.

Yes, the way YOU put it I would say it does matter.

What you're forgetting is that he or she has the right to think whatever he or she wants and that your opinion is not more important.

Not your character, your intelligence and know-how pertaining to acting and theatre.

Nice try, though. :up:

How does my intelligence have anything to do with my knowledge about acting and theatre? One has nothing to do with the other, but thank you for showing me YOUR level of intelligence.

[Marx]

In getting back to the purpose of this thread, I still think that Milla Jovovich would make an excellent Catwoman! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Cunning Stunts]

How does my intelligence have anything to do with my knowledge about acting and theatre? One has nothing to do with the other, but thank you for showing me YOUR level of intelligence.

Read the post:

"PERTAINING TO ACTING AND THEATRE"


Once again, you lose. Thank you for trying, but I did nothing to fault my own intelligence.

Btw, Milla Jovovich: Great idea. :up:

[Crook]

....hold up. You were just criticizing the guy for not knowing the basics of casting this role, and then you call Milla Jovovich a great idea?!

:lmao:

[Cunning Stunts]

....hold up. You were just criticizing the guy for not knowing the basics of casting this role, and then you call Milla Jovovich a great idea?!

:lmao:

What exactly do you have against her? She's not in my top 5, but I think it's a pretty good thought. Obviously, as I've said, I'd rather have Eva Green, Rachel Weisz, or Cate Blanchett.

So yes, I was.

[Marx]

....hold up. You were just criticizing the guy for not knowing the basics of casting this role, and then you call Milla Jovovich a great idea?!

:lmao:

I honestly believe that Jovovich could pull it off. Are there others? Of course.

[Crook]

What exactly do you have against her? She's not in my top 5, but I think it's a pretty good thought. Obviously, as I've said, I'd rather have Eva Green, Rachel Weisz, or Cate Blanchett.

So yes, I was.
What exactly do I have against her? Right off the bat, I think her physical appearance is subpar for this role. Not "Maggie G bad" (:o), but it's nothing to write home about. Second, I have not seen her give any semblance of a good/great performance. She's either did satisfactory, or just plain bad. This is especially something of great importance as it gives us a view of the potential for this role.

So yeah, I'm wondering what exactly is so "great" about her.

I honestly believe that Jovovich could pull it off. Are there others? Of course.
Plenty of others. And looks-wise she ain't really anything special. She has no physique, but unlike Pfeiffer, her face doesn't make up for it.

[Marx]

Plenty of others. And looks-wise she ain't really anything special. She has no physique, but unlike Pfeiffer, her face doesn't make up for it.

If a chest is your qualification for a good Catwoman, then no, Jovovich might not be your choice. But to say that she has no physique? You obviously haven't seen her in Resident Evil. Or anything else that she's done.

[Crook]

I have seen her in PLENTY of films. And I do believe there are more prerequisites for a womanly body other than breasts....Jovovich fills none of 'em.

Unless you wanna count "not fat" and "skinny" as somehow passing this test. :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

What exactly do I have against her? Right off the bat, I think her physical appearance is subpar for this role. Not "Maggie G bad" (:o), but it's nothing to write home about. Second, I have not seen her give any semblance of a good/great performance. She's either did satisfactory, or just plain bad. This is especially something of great importance as it gives us a view of the potential for this role.

So yeah, I'm wondering what exactly is so "great" about her.


Plenty of others. And looks-wise she ain't really anything special. She has no physique, but unlike Pfeiffer, her face doesn't make up for it.

So, right off the bat, you're right back on everything that I've been slamming others here for... Looks, you're too bent on looks- which, keep in mind, can be altered to pretty good extents. So right there, that side of the argument drops out. Even if your argument on this half was valid, YOU think she isn't pretty- doesn't mean by any stretch that many other don't.

Second, From what I've seen in Fifth Element and the three Resident Evil movies, she did pretty well. Not Oscar-worthy, but it was good. Sure, "great" is probably grasping, but I like the idea of Jovovich.

So, yes, I criticized his knowledge because I've been in the theatre world for a while, and have an idea as to what I'm talking about. As I said, if it were my choice, Eva Green would be Catwoman, not Jovovich. Even without green, I've got a number of other actresses I would rather cast, but that doesn't mean it's not worth consideration.

[Marx]

I have seen her in PLENTY of films. And I do believe there are more prerequisites for a womanly body other than breasts....Jovovich fills none of 'em.

Unless you wanna count "not fat" and "skinny" as somehow passing this test. :huh:

You want Angelina Jolie to be Catwoman? You're one of those Crook? Please. Say it ain't so! :csad:

[Ace of Knaves]

I think Jovovich is not bad, but that's it, not bad. Her best acting performance was in The Fifth Element, where she played a ass kicking alien who barely spoke. It was a good performance but not anything to shout about. What other good performances has she done? Resident Evil films? Don't make me laugh, they are all a load of crap, well maybe the first one is watchable. What I'm trying to say is staring in a handful of not very good films and co starring in a decent film doesn't really put her on the talented actress radar, for me at least. Yea she has got the looks and yea she's obviously got the moves. But I just don't think she has the acting chops.

[Crook]

So, right off the bat, you're right back on everything that I've been slamming others here for... Looks, you're too bent on looks- which, keep in mind, can be altered to pretty good extents.
No, I am not bent of looks because that is not my only means of judging requirements for this role. I would be more than willing to be lenient if an actor excels in a different area. However, this is still a visual medium and I would like for their to be some close adaptation to the source. Selina is a gorgeously lusted-after woman and should light up the room by her very presence. Only a select few can pull this off. It's only natural physical traits would be the first phase of filtering out actresses. Second would obviously be acting capability/potential. Third would be how they settle into a specific characterization and chemistry with other actors.

It goes without saying that looks can only go so far. And with the way that Nolan has relatively kept each actor in their "natural" state, this point holds little value. He wouldn't even bother to dye Aaron's hair, I highly doubt he's going to be altering any actress' physical attributes so drastically that it'd be any different from a regular photo shoot.

So right there, that side of the argument drops out. Even if your argument on this half was valid, YOU think she isn't pretty- doesn't mean by any stretch that many other don't.
What are you saying here that isn't incredibly obvious? I am wholly aware that stating her lack of physical fitness and beauty is rightfully, my opinion. I am not speaking for anyone else, but my own. Conversely, the same people that you have disagreed with in this very thread can turn that whole "only YOU think this, doesn't mean other people agree" finger-pointing to you. In the end, it leads absolutely nowhere. So I must ask what was the point of that statement.

Second, From what I've seen in Fifth Element and the three Resident Evil movies, she did pretty well. Not Oscar-worthy, but it was good. Sure, "great" is probably grasping, but I like the idea of Jovovich.
I don't even need to say anything, because the bolded has done everything for me. I don't mean to be antagonistic, but you're making it difficult when this is your support claim for an actress to star in an iconic role under the guide of an Oscar-caliber crew.

So, yes, I criticized his knowledge because I've been in the theatre world for a while, and have an idea as to what I'm talking about. As I said, if it were my choice, Eva Green would be Catwoman, not Jovovich. Even without green, I've got a number of other actresses I would rather cast, but that doesn't mean it's not worth consideration.
What's "worthy" has no real definition here, considering that it is all personal opinion. However, I'd like to think we all have a general area of understanding in the level of skill required for this crew. While Milla is not scraping the bottom of the barrel, she is nowhere near the acting tier to which Nolan would opt for.

You want Angelina Jolie to be Catwoman? You're one of those Crook? Please. Say it ain't so! :csad:
She fulfills all the requirements for this role. At this point, I think she has quite proven herself to be a good-to-great actress who is gifted with the looks many women envy and would die for. Anyone that says any different, I can't help but point out as someone who is clearly biased from her media coverage in some form.

Which is another factor many discount her on; popularity. (Un)fortunately, for me that has no basis in an actor's right for consideration in an acting role. I'm gonna go by talent and looks, not celebrity status. So if that is what you mean by "those" people, then yes, I am one of them.

[Ace of Knaves]

Fifth Element is a sick film Crook. But before you argue with me, I've put my feelings on Milla above.

[Crook]

I'm not criticizing the film. Personally I like it.

But citing that film to judge Milla's capability as an actor is baffling to me. Anyone that's seen that movie knows she had little to do, and whatever she did, didn't require much.

[Ace of Knaves]

O yea I agree 100%.

[flickchick85]

The Fifth Element rocks. Milla Jovovich, not so much.

Angelina's not on my list at all, but c'mon people, she could handle the role and hold her own opposite an already very intimidating, Oscar-caliber cast/crew. I don't understand how some people could say any b-movie or action stars who have done maybe one or two decent movies in their entire careers would be better choices - like they're just better b/c they're more "left-field" or something. I dunno, I'm not trying to bash anyone here...I just don't understand that line of thinking is all.

I don't personally want Angelina Jolie as Catwoman, but I think we'd be pretty lucky if she were cast and would feel no urge to complain about it just because she's the "easy" choice.

I feel like, to paraphrase Ratatouille, we need a nice, fresh serving of Perspective here.

[Majik1387]

Milla's a more than capable actress than people give her credit for. I think she'd be great for Catwoman, but I do believe there are better choices for the role.

[Ace of Knaves]

I like your style flickchick. I don't get the hate for Jolie, she has proved that she is one of the best actresses out there today. But people don't want her because she has"been in everything already!!" or some crap like that? That isn't a good enough excuse in my book. If she has the talent, which I think she 100% does. If she has the looks which i think 110% does then what's the problem?

I think some people are still stuck in that state of mind where they think Nolan always chooses unexpected people, like Heath and Joker. But he wasn't chosen because he was left field or whatever. He was chosen because Nolan thought he was a great, fearless actor and when they sat down and discuss how Joker could be portrayed they both had similar ideas.

Who says a actress of Jolie's calibur wouldn't do something like that? I think she would relish sinking her teeth into the most iconic female figure in pop culture. And I think she would dive in, maybe even lock herself away for a month and read Catwoman comics? :D

[Cunning Stunts]

No, I am not bent of looks because that is not my only means of judging requirements for this role. I would be more than willing to be lenient if an actor excels in a different area. However, this is still a visual medium and I would like for their to be some close adaptation to the source. Selina is a gorgeously lusted-after woman and should light up the room by her very presence. Only a select few can pull this off. It's only natural physical traits would be the first phase of filtering out actresses. Second would obviously be acting capability/potential. Third would be how they settle into a specific characterization and chemistry with other actors. Basically, "I'm not bent on looks, but looks have to be there," right? Have you EVER been a part of a casting process? "Looks" are NOT always the first that go into the acting process. Those days are over. Sure, some of the actors in these movies look vaguely-to-strikingly-simliar to their comic counterparts, but I can almost promise that Nolan didn't decide, "This lot looks like Batman, we'll pick from here." I've got breaking news, Gary Oldman didn't look like Gordon before he was done-up in the make-up and wardrobe departments.

It goes without saying that looks can only go so far. And with the way that Nolan has relatively kept each actor in their "natural" state, this point holds little value. He wouldn't even bother to dye Aaron's hair, I highly doubt he's going to be altering any actress' physical attributes so drastically that it'd be any different from a regular photo shoot. I think you missed a couple of my posts. Did I not say that even I had a list of actresses I would take before Milla? I never said Nolan would take her. I just stated that I think she's got some pretty good abilities, acting-wise.


What are you saying here that isn't incredibly obvious? I am wholly aware that stating her lack of physical fitness and beauty is rightfully, my opinion. I am not speaking for anyone else, but my own. Conversely, the same people that you have disagreed with in this very thread can turn that whole "only YOU think this, doesn't mean other people agree" finger-pointing to you. In the end, it leads absolutely nowhere. So I must ask what was the point of that statement. If it was so obvious, why were you stating that, "Right off the bat, I think her physical appearance is subpar for this role. Not "Maggie G bad" (:o), but it's nothing to write home about... And looks-wise she ain't really anything special. She has no physique, but unlike Pfeiffer, her face doesn't make up for it." And so it's evident that because YOU think she's not pretty enough for the role, that it counts her out? This is where I had the problem. You opened up with "she isn't pretty," which, if I recall correctly, my Theatre 101 didn't teach me, "To put on a great performance, you've got to be beautiful." Believe me, half of the stars recommended here aren't nearly as beautiful as you'd believe once you'd see them in person, off-set, and out of makeup. They have specialists to take care of looks on every single movie set and in every actor's trailer for a reason.


I don't even need to say anything, because the bolded has done everything for me. I don't mean to be antagonistic, but you're making it difficult when this is your support claim for an actress to star in an iconic role under the guide of an Oscar-caliber crew. So because RE were bad movies, that means Milla's performance was bad? As much as I love RE (the games) and was pained to see the movies do so badly, I thought the highlight of the movies was in fact Milla. Hence why I think she's a "good actress." Not Oscar-worthy performances, as I said, but I thought they were good nonetheless. Now, once again, I stated myself that I want EVA GREEN for the role, if not Weisz or Blanchett. Why has this whole issue degenerated into how I supposedly wanted Milla to play Catwoman just because I thought someone else's recommendation of Milla Jovovich was a nice suggestion? Every time someone suggests someone here, I'm allowed to agree without saying, "I like her, but here's a list of one hundred actresses I'd rather before her!"


What's "worthy" has no real definition here, considering that it is all personal opinion. However, I'd like to think we all have a general area of understanding in the level of skill required for this crew. While Milla is not scraping the bottom of the barrel, she is nowhere near the acting tier to which Nolan would opt for.

I'd think again. The different positions in theatre are just like any other professional skill or sport- they take practice and know-how to be able to do it efficiently. Judging from many of the posts I've seen around here, I'd say a good portion on these forums have very little idea pertaining to what it takes and how to identify what's put into the different aspects of acting and theatre. I'll be the first to admit- I'm no expert by any stretch of the word- but I'd have some damned good training and plenty of experience (including a bit of professional) to know how to figure these things out and to see how it's done.

[july]

I like your style flickchick. I don't get the hate for Jolie, she has proved that she is one of the best actresses out there today. But people don't want her because she has"been in everything already!!" or some crap like that? That isn't a good enough excuse in my book. If she has the talent, which I think she 100% does. If she has the looks which i think 110% does then what's the problem?

I think some people are still stuck in that state of mind where they think Nolan always chooses unexpected people, like Heath and Joker. But he wasn't chosen because he was left field or whatever. He was chosen because Nolan thought he was a great, fearless actor and when they sat down and discuss how Joker could be portrayed they both had similar ideas.

Who says a actress of Jolie's calibur wouldn't do something like that? I think she would relish sinking her teeth into the most iconic female figure in pop culture. And I think she would dive in, maybe even lock herself away for a month and read Catwoman comics? :D


I hated the idea of Angelina as Catwoman but I'm starting to warm up to her now, probably because I thought she was great in Changeling and I saw her in that Daniel Pearl movie on tv a couple of weeks ago and she was pretty good in that too. I would still prefer Marion as Catwoman, if not her then Eva Green but I wouldn't be pissed if Angelina was cast and I wouldn't be surprised if she won the Oscar for Changeling as well.

[Laderlappen]

Yes, the way YOU put it I would say it does matter.

What you're forgetting is that he or she has the right to think whatever he or she wants and that your opinion is not more important.solidsnake86 wrote 'Cate and Marion are the last 2', which means that of all actresses the 2 that would make the worst acting performances would be 2 of the best actresses working. Obviously this is an exaggeration and said user only means that he isnt a fan of those choices at all.

Now because he wrote something he obviously didnt actually mean I decided to screw with him a little. So I said '2 of the last are to of the best?'. The you made a sarcastic reply saying that you agree about Cate and Marion being the 2 possibly worst.

Then right now when you said 'it does matter' can only mean that you think that you prefer some bad 35 year old actresses to a good 40 year old one.

Nowhere in out little discussion have I said that his opinion is wrong and that mine is the right one. I said 1) 'you think 2 of the best actresses(which he DID say was 2 good actresses) are the last 2' 2)'I totally disagree with you' 3) Your full of S(referring to him saying Marion fans are obsessive, we dont base our sugestions on anything but acting, etc).


But YOU did infact put down my opinion when you made this post
Two of the most talanted actresses in hollywood, one who hasn't completed a part on any film speaking full english and other who is not the right age for the part.

Yes, those are great choices! :up:

[WeaponXProject]

I'm not criticizing the film. Personally I like it.

But citing that film to judge Milla's capability as an actor is baffling to me. Anyone that's seen that movie knows she had little to do, and whatever she did, didn't require much.


I have never seen anything from Milla Jovovich that would show me she is a talented actress outside of her athletic ability and her flexible tight body. I can't say she's bad but I definitely can't say she's a good actress if she hasn't done anything that we can give her credit for. She has kicked ass in 4 different movies though but three of which, the R.E.'s, are terrible movies.

As for attacking Jolie, her acting career alone should prove she is worthy enough for the character. I think people are just afraid she would steal the publicity outside the movie, which she might. She's not my first pick though.

[Alex Logan]

Read the post:

"PERTAINING TO ACTING AND THEATRE"


Once again, you lose. Thank you for trying, but I did nothing to fault my own intelligence.

Btw, Milla Jovovich: Great idea. :up:

No, actually you did everything to fault your own intelligence. Instead of coming up with alucid argument to support your ideas you insulted me. That's the kind of thing that unintelligent people do, but thanks for playing, try again later.

And Milla Jovovich might just be the worst casting choice for Catwoman I've heard yet. If you had ANY credible argument about casting this role it just flew out the window.

....hold up. You were just criticizing the guy for not knowing the basics of casting this role, and then you call Milla Jovovich a great idea?!

:lmao:

Thanks for the backup. :cwink:

[Laderlappen]

As for attacking Jolie, her acting career alone should prove she is worthy enough for the character. I think people are just afraid she would steal the publicity outside the movie, which she might. She's not my first pick though.I dont find her that great. Except for Girl, Interrupted I dont think any of her performances have been oscar worthy, or being worthy of even consider her for a nomination.

[[A]]

I dont find her that great. Except for Girl, Interrupted I dont think any of her performances have been oscar worthy, or being worthy of even consider her for a nomination.
Agreed, disagreed, agreed and.. agreed again.

[Ace of Knaves]

I dont find her that great. Except for Girl, Interrupted I dont think any of her performances have been oscar worthy, or being worthy of even consider her for a nomination.

Who says that the person HAS to have been oscar worthy in previous roles? I think she is a great actress. She was brilliant in Gia, The Bone Collector and A Mighty Heart. She was also pretty good in Taking Lives and The Good Shepard. And what about The Changeling?

Too many people are letting her fame overshadow her talents. Yea in recent years she has been in some crap films with throwaway roles. But i think thats mainly due to starting a family and what not.

The fact is if she got the gig of Catwoman, one the most iconic female figures in the world I guarantee she will bring her A game. She won't treat it as a throwaway role like Lara Croft or Fox.

[Laderlappen]

If an actress has never made anthing oscar worthy or near oscar worthy, she is not a great actress. Good maybe. And by oscar wirthy I mean worthy of a nomination.

[Majik1387]

I don't think she treated Lara Croft as a throwaway role, the movies just didn't call for too much from her.

[Marx]

She fulfills all the requirements for this role. At this point, I think she has quite proven herself to be a good-to-great actress who is gifted with the looks many women envy and would die for. Anyone that says any different, I can't help but point out as someone who is clearly biased from her media coverage in some form.

Which is another factor many discount her on; popularity. (Un)fortunately, for me that has no basis in an actor's right for consideration in an acting role. I'm gonna go by talent and looks, not celebrity status. So if that is what you mean by "those" people, then yes, I am one of them.

I think Jolie is completely overrated. She got where she is based on her looks, not talent. Am I saying that she can't put in a good performance from time to time? No I'm not. But I do not want her anywhere near this role.

[Ace of Knaves]

If an actress has never made anthing oscar worthy or near oscar worthy, she is not a great actress. Good maybe. And by oscar wirthy I mean worthy of a nomination.

Errrr...........well she has.

[The Major]

In getting back to the purpose of this thread, I still think that Milla Jovovich would make an excellent Catwoman! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Milla would make a better Black Widow.

[The Major]

I think Jovovich is not bad, but that's it, not bad. Her best acting performance was in The Fifth Element, where she played a ass kicking alien who barely spoke. It was a good performance but not anything to shout about. What other good performances has she done? Resident Evil films? Don't make me laugh, they are all a load of crap, well maybe the first one is watchable. What I'm trying to say is staring in a handful of not very good films and co starring in a decent film doesn't really put her on the talented actress radar, for me at least. Yea she has got the looks and yea she's obviously got the moves. But I just don't think she has the acting chops.

She was great in The Messenger.

[Ace of Knaves]

I reckon Milla would be perfect for Huntress. :up:

[The Major]

I'm not criticizing the film. Personally I like it.

But citing that film to judge Milla's capability as an actor is baffling to me. Anyone that's seen that movie knows she had little to do, and whatever she did, didn't require much.

I agree the role isn't Nolan level you're underestimating what she had to do in the film.

Making a character work who can't communicate with the other characters and requires a sort of sign language for simple communication can be difficult for any actor. Jodi Foster found it very hard to accomplish this in a role where she was deaf IIRC. Milla made her role look easy in Fifth Element, which is very impressive in itself.

Jolovich created the alien language Leeloo used to communicate with English from scratch, too.

Fifth Element isn't a good benchmark for a role like Catwoman, though. It should be something like The Messenger.

[The Major]

I reckon Milla would be perfect for Huntress. :up:
While not my first choice Milla certainly has the qualifications for a good Huntress.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think she is much better suited to Huntress than Selina.

[The Major]

Yea I think she is much better suited to Huntress than Selina.
Agreed.

[WeaponXProject]

I dont find her that great. Except for Girl, Interrupted I dont think any of her performances have been oscar worthy, or being worthy of even consider her for a nomination.

I think compared to most of the list she is great. I would say Marion Cottillard and a few others are above her or on par with her. But her performance in Changeling, Gia and Girl Interrupted are fantastic. Even her performance in Alexander was great though movie was not. I think people are basing their distane for her on the Tomb Raiders, Wanted and her Gone in 60 Seconds roles where she is just a bad ass. Those characters are one dimensional and boring compared to some other work.


As for not being nominated for an oscar that doesn't mean crap to me. There are a tone of brilliant actors and actresses yet to be nominated or have been snubbed. I can see that maybe on paper that would seem that way but by saying that then based on your belief Christian Bale is not a good actor. I would say he is a good to great actor wouldn't you? So there is no grey area.

[RakuMon]

Milla would make a better Black Widow.

This is what I was going to say. :up:

[Franklin Richards]

Who said anything about that? Maybe you're just projecting. :o

Gotta love those pseudo racist posts.:yay:

Haha yeah...

Would it be such a bad thing to you if she was portrayed by a black actress? I'm not attacking you at all, I'm asking in general if people think it would be such a bad thing for a black woman to play the character. Race and characters do not bother me that much. My first memory of her was of Eartha Kitt, not Michelle Phfieffer (too many ffff's?). I don't see the problem with that. We already had an Irish actor play an Arabian comicbook character when Liam was Ra's.

I just don't want any Ellen Page's or Evan Rachel Wood's playing Selina. I want a sexy, tall and lean Selina Kyle that shines with confidence but still is crooked.

I never said that a black actress couldn't play Catwoman. I said I didn't think it was very realistic for an acrobatic catburglar to have an ass like this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/kim-kardashian-giant-ass-01-thumb.jpg

Eartha Kitt never had an ass like that. And a Catwoman that is grounded in "the real" shouldn't either.

"Oh crap I just set off a lazer with my GIANT, FREAKISHLY BIG ASS!!!"




:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Laderlappen]

Errrr...........well she has.I said I think she did in Girl, Interrupted. I personally dont think any of her other performances is. If you disagree, then that's fine. Im just explaining why Im not a fan of her for the role.
As for not being nominated for an oscar that doesn't mean crap to me. There are a tone of brilliant actors and actresses yet to be nominated or have been snubbed. I can see that maybe on paper that would seem that way but by saying that then based on your belief Christian Bale is not a good actor. I would say he is a good to great actor wouldn't you? So there is no grey area.You missunderstood me. I said I didnt think Jolie have done anything oscar worthy besides Girl, Interrupted. That means if the oscars were up to me the only role Id consider her for was Girl, Interrupted. You're right the oscars dont mean much.

[Ace of Knaves]

No, you cannot disagree with me. :D

[WeaponXProject]

I never said that a black actress couldn't play Catwoman. I said I didn't think it was very realistic for an acrobatic catburglar to have an ass like this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/kim-kardashian-giant-ass-01-thumb.jpg

Eartha Kitt never had an ass like that. And a Catwoman that is grounded in "the real" shouldn't either.

"Oh crap I just set off a lazer with my GIANT, FREAKISHLY BIG ASS!!!"




:doom: :doom: :doom:

Cool.:woot: Yeah hopefully ^she^ is not a candidate.

You missunderstood me. I said I didnt think Jolie have done anything oscar worthy besides Girl, Interrupted. That means if the oscars were up to me the only role Id consider her for was Girl, Interrupted. You're right the oscars dont mean much.

Oscars are meaningful some of the time but I think only so many people can be nominated which snubs alot of actors. I do think they screw up alot on picks and they are very close minded to cinema outside smaller films or films that don't come out until right before the Oscars. But still I always watch them and always listen to the news about them.

[Cunning Stunts]

No, actually you did everything to fault your own intelligence. Instead of coming up with alucid argument to support your ideas you insulted me. That's the kind of thing that unintelligent people do, but thanks for playing, try again later.

And Milla Jovovich might just be the worst casting choice for Catwoman I've heard yet. If you had ANY credible argument about casting this role it just flew out the window.

Thanks for the backup. :cwink:

Try reading my other posts, then get back to me. Thanks for failing yet again. :up:

[Crook]

Basically, "I'm not bent on looks, but looks have to be there," right? Have you EVER been a part of a casting process? "Looks" are NOT always the first that go into the acting process. Those days are over.
Point me to where I said looks are always the first step in casting someone, then I'll give this to you. As I recall, I was referring to adaptations of material such as books and comics. Where there almost always is a description of a character.

Sure, some of the actors in these movies look vaguely-to-strikingly-simliar to their comic counterparts, but I can almost promise that Nolan didn't decide, "This lot looks like Batman, we'll pick from here."
I can promise you that at the very least Nolan had a criteria, however general it may be. White, slim (to bulk up), middle-aged actors, on the up-and-coming list of Hollywood...for example.

I've got breaking news, Gary Oldman didn't look like Gordon before he was done-up in the make-up and wardrobe departments.
Oldman had a hairstyle change and an added mustache. Not terribly imaginative.

I think you missed a couple of my posts. Did I not say that even I had a list of actresses I would take before Milla? I never said Nolan would take her. I just stated that I think she's got some pretty good abilities, acting-wise.

No, I do believe the words you used were she's "a great choice". That's what I took issue with.

If it was so obvious, why were you stating that,

"Right off the bat, I think her physical appearance is subpar for this role. Not "Maggie G bad" (:o), but it's nothing to write home about... And looks-wise she ain't really anything special. She has no physique, but unlike Pfeiffer, her face doesn't make up for it." What was obvious is that whatever I write is my opinion, and speaking for myself. Unless you're a telepathic mind reader, my opinions themselves are not obvious or known until I actually put them out there.
And so it's evident that because YOU think she's not pretty enough for the role, that it counts her out? This is where I had the problem.
1) Her being pretty isn't the only reason why I don't want her.
2) Me stating why I don't like a casting suggestion is the problem? Why exactly are you here? I am not the first person to disagree with a casting choice.

You opened up with "she isn't pretty," which, if I recall correctly, my Theatre 101 didn't teach me, "To put on a great performance, you've got to be beautiful."
Again, point me to where I indicated that you had to be beautiful to give a great performance. What I said, was that for THIS role, beauty is an absolute requirement.

Believe me, half of the stars recommended here aren't nearly as beautiful as you'd believe once you'd see them in person, off-set, and out of makeup. They have specialists to take care of looks on every single movie set and in every actor's trailer for a reason.
I'm not a child, so please do not speak to me like you're revealing youth-shattering news such as Santa not existing. Yes, actors look better on-screen than they do in real-life. They kinda have to be when they're being watched by millions. There are also actors that look naturally beautiful without the make-up. And...I don't care.

I am not watching this movie from their kitchen or couch, looking into their bedroom. I'm watching this in a theater, where the film was shot specifically to show as little visual flaws as possible. This is not limited to actors, but sets, wardrobe, make-up, what-have-you. So I don't give a damn if an actress looks like a bridge troll when she wakes up in the morning. If she looks like a feline nymph on-screen then I am satisfied. I would have hoped this explanation didn't need to be given to someone that so proudly touts theater experience.

So because RE were bad movies, that means Milla's performance was bad? As much as I love RE (the games) and was pained to see the movies do so badly, I thought the highlight of the movies was in fact Milla. Hence why I think she's a "good actress."
Where is the logic behind this? You have admitted the movies were bad, and because something not equally as bad stood out, that means they were good? Explain that.

Why has this whole issue degenerated into how I supposedly wanted Milla to play Catwoman just because I thought someone else's recommendation of Milla Jovovich was a nice suggestion? Every time someone suggests someone here, I'm allowed to agree without saying, "I like her, but here's a list of one hundred actresses I'd rather before her!"I'd think again.To be honest, I like busting your balls because you were so adamant on criticizing someone for not liking particular actresses, and then calling a very subpar one, a "great" choice. The irony of the situation is something I could not run away from.
The different positions in theatre are just like any other professional skill or sport- they take practice and know-how to be able to do it efficiently. Judging from many of the posts I've seen around here, I'd say a good portion on these forums have very little idea pertaining to what it takes and how to identify what's put into the different aspects of acting and theatre. I'll be the first to admit- I'm no expert by any stretch of the word- but I'd have some damned good training and plenty of experience (including a bit of professional) to know how to figure these things out and to see how it's done.
Well, that's nice. Are you done patting yourself on the back and trying your best effort to say "I'm more qualified than all of you" in the nicest way possible?

I dont find her that great. Except for Girl, Interrupted I dont think any of her performances have been oscar worthy, or being worthy of even consider her for a nomination.
I thought she was great as Mariane Pearl and Christine Collins. And yes, Oscar-worthy performances I thought. She really showed off her acting range in those two.

I think Jolie is completely overrated. She got where she is based on her looks, not talent. Am I saying that she can't put in a good performance from time to time? No I'm not. But I do not want her anywhere near this role.
Lol, half of Hollywood gets through the door by talent. It's what you do once you're inside, that counts. Ultimately it's what keeps you from getting booted to oblivion. It's obvious from their first mark on Hollywood that Pitt and Jolie were definitely stand-out material because of their star-struck looks. But look at their latest performances now. Can any of us say they don't deserve to be in Hollywood because of how they originated here?

I agree the role isn't Nolan level you're underestimating what she had to do in the film.

Making a character work who can't communicate with the other characters and requires a sort of sign language for simple communication can be difficult for any actor. Jodi Foster found it very hard to accomplish this in a role where she was deaf IIRC. Milla made her role look easy in Fifth Element, which is very impressive in itself.

Jolovich created the alien language Leeloo used to communicate with English from scratch, too.

Fifth Element isn't a good benchmark for a role like Catwoman, though. It should be something like The Messenger.
That was my issue. It isn't a good benchmark at all for this role, so I don't see why it's brought up. I am not indicating Milla sleepwalked through her part, as it clearly took a bit of acting. But it's not the type of acting that is usually asked to do.

[Cunning Stunts]

Point me to where I said looks are always the first step in casting someone, then I'll give this to you. As I recall, I was referring to adaptations of material such as books and comics. Where there almost always is a description of a character.


I can promise you that at the very least Nolan had a criteria, however general it may be. White, slim (to bulk up), middle-aged actors, on the up-and-coming list of Hollywood...for example.


Oldman had a hairstyle change and an added mustache. Not terribly imaginative.


No, I do believe the words you used were she's "a great choice". That's what I took issue with.

What was obvious is that whatever I write is my opinion, and speaking for myself. Unless you're a telepathic mind reader, my opinions themselves are not obvious or known until I actually put them out there.

1) Her being pretty isn't the only reason why I don't want her.
2) Me stating why I don't like a casting suggestion is the problem? Why exactly are you here? I am not the first person to disagree with a casting choice.


Again, point me to where I indicated that you had to be beautiful to give a great performance. What I said, was that for THIS role, beauty is an absolute requirement.


I'm not a child, so please do not speak to me like you're revealing youth-shattering news such as Santa not existing. Yes, actors look better on-screen than they do in real-life. They kinda have to be when they're being watched by millions. There are also actors that look naturally beautiful without the make-up. And...I don't care.

I am not watching this movie from their kitchen or couch, looking into their bedroom. I'm watching this in a theater, where the film was shot specifically to show as little visual flaws as possible. This is not limited to actors, but sets, wardrobe, make-up, what-have-you. So I don't give a damn if an actress looks like a bridge troll when she wakes up in the morning. If she looks like a feline nymph on-screen then I am satisfied. I would have hoped this explanation didn't need to be given to someone that so proudly touts theater experience.


Where is the logic behind this? You have admitted the movies were bad, and because something not equally as bad stood out, that means they were good? Explain that.

To be honest, I like busting your balls because you were so adamant on criticizing someone for not liking particular actresses, and then calling a very subpar one, a "great" choice. The irony of the situation is something I could not run away from.

Well, that's nice. Are you done patting yourself on the back and trying your best effort to say "I'm more qualified than all of you" in the nicest way possible?


I thought she was great as Mariane Pearl and Christine Collins. And yes, Oscar-worthy performances I thought. She really showed off her acting range in those two.


Lol, half of Hollywood gets through the door by talent. It's what you do once you're inside, that counts. Ultimately it's what keeps you from getting booted to oblivion. It's obvious from their first mark on Hollywood that Pitt and Jolie were definitely stand-out material because of their star-struck looks. But look at their latest performances now. Can any of us say they don't deserve to be in Hollywood because of how they originated here?


That was my issue. It isn't a good benchmark at all for this role, so I don't see why it's brought up. I am not indicating Milla sleepwalked through her part, as it clearly took a bit of acting. But it's not the type of acting that is usually asked to do.

Long story short, I'm not here to pat my own back, I'm simply saying yes, I have an idea what goes on in the whole casting and theatrical process. I've had training and experience, so yes, I more than likely have more of an idea than most of the population of the board (and it's especially easy to pick out who judging by some of the posts around here). With that said, I realize there are most likely some on here that have even more experience and know-how than I do.

Also, I'm not getting into one of these quote-reply X100 games again, I'm keeping this one short.

The issue I had here wasn't that you disagreed, it was that you criticized me for liking someone, supposedly in lieu of my criticism over someone else's lack of knowledge pertaining to this particular field. I simply stated I think Milla is a good actress. Not great, not a Hall of Famer, but good. So I exaggerated with a word like "great", I can like an idea without being a 100% supporter of it. I like Milla, and I like the idea of her playing an ass-kicking female (albeit that's all she's really done). That in no way implies that I think she's the best girl for the role. As I said in the last post, I don't have to explain every post that I put up here.

[flickchick85]

People keep jumping on Laderlappen's use of "Oscar-worthy." There's a difference between "Oscar-worthy" and someone actually being nominated for an Oscar. At least when I say someone's performance was Oscar-worthy, it has nothing to do with the actual Academy Awards, their politics or crappy taste; it just means that person delivered a performance that was, imo, worthy of (or of at least being nominated for) the highest accolade one can get for their craft, whatever that may be - it's just dictated by mainstream media as being the Oscars, hence the term - but it doesn't mean the Oscars actually get it right most of the time or anything like that. Or to put it another way, they delivered a performance that was one of the best of that year.

There are many who've given what I consider Oscar-worthy performances who've never even been nominated: Gary Oldman's given at least a couple, maybe a few, Christian Bale's had a couple, I think Zooey Deschanel delivered one in All the Real Girls, etc. And then there are those who got Oscar nods, or even wins, that I don't consider Oscar-worthy at all - Jennifer Hudson for example.

For my money, Angelina Jolie's given two, Girl, Interrupted and A Mighty Heart (I haven't seen Changeling yet), even if the Academy only saw fit to acknowledge one. But there are degrees of this kind of thing. I wasn't blown away by either of those as I have been by Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett, Kate Winslet, Charlize Theron, or Marion Cotillard, which is why I consider all of them stronger actresses on the whole. So steering back to topic, that's one of the main reasons I would much prefer to see Cotillard or Theron in the role, but in no universe would Jolie be a terrible choice. Just maybe a less-inspired one, imo, since I believe there are stronger actresses who would be amazing and more exciting in the role.

Oh, and...

I like your style flickchick.

Thanks Ace! :D And ITA with what you said about Heath and The Joker. People going "left-field" because of that "example" are going in the wrong direction.

[WeaponXProject]

"Oscar worthy" or its use is also subjective in whoever describes it. Critically acclaimed for talent in a film is easier to note especially when an actor/actress has received acclaim for multiple movies.

Flick sparked me with Charlize Theron on the list. She would be a good candidate. A MR. F deserves her recognition.

Me and my damn Arrested Development references.^

[Mercurius]

I think Jolie is completely overrated. She got where she is based on her looks, not talent. Am I saying that she can't put in a good performance from time to time? No I'm not. But I do not want her anywhere near this role.

:up: Giddyup, Karl!

She's beautiful and übersexy, but has a strong tendency to an irritating overacting, more so in roles like this

(but you may know that's no a very popular opinion here, and in the rest of the world).

[flickchick85]

Flick sparked me with Charlize Theron on the list. She would be a good candidate. A MR. F deserves her recognition.

Me and my damn Arrested Development references.^
Oh Weapon, you're such a p***y. :cwink:

[WeaponXProject]

Oh Weapon, you're such a p***y. :cwink:

:lmao:

Thanks, sweety.:oldrazz:

[The Major]

That was my issue. It isn't a good benchmark at all for this role, so I don't see why it's brought up.

Okay.

I am not indicating Milla sleepwalked through her part, as it clearly took a bit of acting. But it's not the type of acting that is usually asked to do.
Fair enough.

Personally, I agree with you. Milla is a great actress but she looks to different for the role and her best acting isn't up to Nolan's standards.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I call bulls**t on the last page and this one. I'm not against Jolie for this role because she is an attention whore, I'm against her for this role because I honestly don't think that she is as good as the media makes her out to be when it comes to acting and I hate her over-the-top "sexy" performances in action movies.

I hated the portrayal of Catwoman in BR and don't want anything resembling that in a new movie if Catwoman is in it.

[[A]]

I call bulls**t on the last page and this one. I'm not against Jolie for this role because she is an attention whore, I'm against her for this role because I honestly don't think that she is as good as the media makes her out to be when it comes to acting and I hate her over-the-top "sexy" performances in action movies.
Yay :woot: I wish posts like this could stop Jolie-wankers :hehe:

[CaptainClown]

CC is with I See Spidey on the Jolie position.

[Crook]

I see. So I take it there aren't any actual arguments against Jolie's dramatic acting side, which is obviously where Nolan would go with this character? As opposed to the typical cliched, action, sexy, heroine that many criticize Jolie for?

[batboy99]

^Qft!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I see. So I take it there aren't any actual arguments against Jolie's dramatic acting side, which is obviously where Nolan would go with this character? As opposed to the typical cliched, action, sexy, heroine that many criticize Jolie for?Maybe, just maybe you should accept that people don't think that Jolie is even all that when it comes to her more dramatic performances either. And They perfer somebody else to play Catwoman...people having different opinions...just shocking.

I'm not calling her a bad actress, I'm just not as big on her as you are. She isn't, a say, Megan Fox calibre actress but she does okay enough in certain roles.:cwink:

Your post has been QFBS.

[Crook]

Maybe, just maybe you should accept that people don't think that Jolie is even all that when it comes to her more dramatic performances either. And They perfer somebody else to play Catwoman...people having different opinions...just shocking.
Excuse me for trying to push forward a discussion. :huh:

If all you (or anyone else for that matter) wanted to do was say "I don't like her, I don't like her acting. No one reply to me", then you should have done that.

Otherwise, that's what most people here are here to discuss. Opposing opinions or clarified views on someone's position.

[Ace of Knaves]

I call bulls**t on the last page and this one. I'm not against Jolie for this role because she is an attention whore, I'm against her for this role because I honestly don't think that she is as good as the media makes her out to be when it comes to acting and I hate her over-the-top "sexy" performances in action movies.

I hated the portrayal of Catwoman in BR and don't want anything resembling that in a new movie if Catwoman is in it.


See, so many people let her fame over shadow her talent. You have just fallen right into the trap.

And you hated the Catwoman in BR? Well you are one of a very small minority. So what you want doesn't really matter. :D

[regwec]

Freida Pinto.

Just because I think she is adorable.

[WeaponXProject]

I hated the portrayal of Catwoman in BR and don't want anything resembling that in a new movie if Catwoman is in it.


I loved Michelle Pfeifer in BR. I don't know why you didn't like her for that role. It was Burton's take on her and I have never heard of people hating her character. If anything DeVito's Penguin was the one that people should have attacked.


As for calling bull**** on people that respect her work I don't understand that. Because other people respect a well reviewed actress with Oscar nom's in her career that is bull? I don't know, her being one of the best looking and talented actresses in Hollywood is probably why people respect. I guess your assessment of talent is different than the fans of her but I could not deny an Oscar winner or multi nominated actress for her work. Her resume shows who she is. I don't listen to gossip mags and stuff like that. I just watch her on the screen and have seen some great things before. I would rather have a full figured, well reviewed actress for Selina.


I do think she could tone down the sexy for this character. Did you see Changeling? She shows no sex appeal the whole movie. She can do this. I don't wanna argue but I definitely think she is one of the top 5 candidates on this list and she has the most votes, I think majority of your own peers here believe in her as much as I do.

She's not my number one pick but she is definitely not overrated at all. Sure she's done some crap like the Tomb Raiders and Mr. and Mrs. Smith but she that doesn't mean she will play that character on screen.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not speaking for anyone else when I said that she is overrated.

I did not call bulls**t on people liking Jolie, I called B.S on the Jolie lovers bashing anyone who doesn't think that she is the greatest, most beautiful actress in the universe. I took issue with people somehow reaching into my mind and saying that the only reason that I don't love Jolie is because of her attention whoreism. Obviously I don't care for that part but I judge people's acting based on what they do on the bigscreen. I understand you love her...I get it. Awesome for you.:up:

Now that I've aknowleged you guys love and adoration, can you understand that I don't think that she is the greatest actress of her generation?

Also:

Who cares if you guys haven't heard of anyone not liking the BR Catwoman. I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm in the minority.

This is exactly the reason that I hate the hive minded Batman boards.

The real question is, why did I come back for more punishment?

[Mercurius]

Michelle Pfeiffer was great in BR. The next one will have to beat it.

[Crook]

I took issue with people somehow reaching into my mind and saying that the only reason that I don't love Jolie is because of her attention whoreism.
No, I said:

I think she has quite proven herself to be a good-to-great actress who is gifted with the looks many women envy and would die for. Anyone that says any different, I can't help but point out as someone who is clearly biased from her media coverage in some form.
I said absolutely nothing about loving her. I don't care if you do or don't. I don't like Tom Cruise AT ALL, but I can't deny he has movie-star looks and is a very capable actor. Same case applies here for Jolie.

Now that I've aknowleged you guys love and adoration, can you understand that I don't think that she is the greatest actress of her generation?
No one said she was. Though since you asked; no. You didn't really get into the 'why'.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh now my mind is changed! I've seen the light!

I should get out of the minority. Next up: I'm going to turn white, and drop my religion. Because I wouldn't want to be in the minority!

[WeaponXProject]

I'm not speaking for anyone else when I said that she is overrated.

I did not call bulls**t on people liking Jolie, I called B.S on the Jolie lovers bashing anyone who doesn't think that she is the greatest, most beautiful actress in the universe. I took issue with people somehow reaching into my mind and saying that the only reason that I don't love Jolie is because of her attention whoreism. Obviously I don't care for that part but I judge people's acting based on what they do on the bigscreen. I understand you love her...I get it. Awesome for you.:up:

Now that I've aknowleged you guys love and adoration, can you understand that I don't think that she is the greatest actress of her generation?

Also:

Who cares if you guys haven't heard of anyone not liking the BR Catwoman. I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm in the minority.

This is exactly the reason that I hate the hive minded Batman boards.

The real question is, why did I come back for more punishment?

Listen, I'm not that big of a fan of Jolie but I can't undermind her accomplishments. As for the lime light version of Jolie compared to the Big Screen version of her. I definitely prefer her as an actress over what kid she's adopting or what magazine she is posing for.

I didn't like that you called bull**** on two pages of posts. People aren't gonna like that. That's probably why people are bugging you. But I do see if others are gonna say she's the only one for the role than they got to be crazy.

The only thing I can be sure of is that she is gonna give a better performance as Selina than Katie Holmes did as Rachel. That's probably the only casting choice in Nolan's movies I haven't liked.

I didn't make fun of you for not liking Pfeiffer at all. I just said I don't know why you didn't like her. I didn't put rolly eyes or sarcastic thumbs up.

You can think what you want, it doesn't bother me sometimes I just wanna know why people don't like certain things?

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm not speaking for anyone else when I said that she is overrated.

I did not call bulls**t on people liking Jolie, I called B.S on the Jolie lovers bashing anyone who doesn't think that she is the greatest, most beautiful actress in the universe. I took issue with people somehow reaching into my mind and saying that the only reason that I don't love Jolie is because of her attention whoreism. Obviously I don't care for that part but I judge people's acting based on what they do on the bigscreen. I understand you love her...I get it. Awesome for you.:up:

Now that I've aknowleged you guys love and adoration, can you understand that I don't think that she is the greatest actress of her generation?

Also:

Who cares if you guys haven't heard of anyone not liking the BR Catwoman.


I'm kind of with you here... I thought Catwoman's performance is loved more for being nostalgic than it is for being a great performance. I used to love the old Batman movies (save B&R), but re-watching them more recently, I've seen how much the movies have aged, and what they were really lacking.

Michelle's performance was good, but it's a tad overblown. I'm also not a big fan of Jolie's. She got where she is because of her father, her looks, and her public exploits- not really her talent. She's had a few bang-up performances, sure, but I'd hardly place her on the same level as the other greats seeing as how there's numerous actors who have put on a couple great performances but aren't considered to be top-tier actors.

I guess I shouldn't have an opinion because I'm in the minority.

This is exactly the reason that I hate the hive minded Batman boards.

The real question is, why did I come back for more punishment?

If I had room in my sig, this would be in. QFT. :up:

[Two-Face]

I'm kind of with you here... I thought Catwoman's performance is loved more for being nostalgic than it is for being a great performance. I used to love the old Batman movies (save B&R), but re-watching them more recently, I've seen how much the movies have aged, and what they were really lacking.

Michelle's performance was good, but it's a tad overblown. I'm also not a big fan of Jolie's. She got where she is because of her father, her looks, and her public exploits- not really her talent. She's had a few bang-up performances, sure, but I'd hardly place her on the same level as the other greats seeing as how there's numerous actors who have put on a couple great performances but aren't considered to be top-tier actors.



If I had room in my sig, this would be in. QFT. :up:



Who are the acress you think are better than Angelina jolie?

[Crook]

Oh now my mind is changed! I've seen the light!

I should get out of the minority. Next up: I'm going to turn white, and drop my religion. Because I wouldn't want to be in the minority!
Ok, clearly you take some pride in going against the grain or something because you're the only one here making a big deal about your position on her. This thread has gone just fine without anyone even bringing it up, and there are plenty of anti-Jolie posters here. Somehow you've managed to interpret discussion and questions such as elaborating on why you're so against Jolie, as some sort of bashing attack. Kinda paranoid, but ok.

Please get over yourself. Trust me, no one cares. :funny:

[Cunning Stunts]

Who are the acress you think are better than Angelina jolie?

I've got a list. What do you want, 1-5, 1-10, 1-100? Personally, I'm a supporter of Eva Green, Cate Blanchett, or Rachel Weisz for Catwoman, if that puts it into perspective.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ok, clearly you take some pride in going against the grain or something because you're the only one here making a big deal about your position on her. This thread has gone just fine without anyone even bringing it up, and there are plenty of anti-Jolie posters here.

Please get over yourself. Trust me, no one cares. :funny:I'm not a goth teen, I'm an intelligent 24 year old woman. I take pride in coming to well thoughtout opinions, not going against the grain.

[WeaponXProject]

She is behind Marion Cotillard, Rachel Weisz, Hilary Swank, Kate Winslet and Charlize Theron in acting from my point of view. But I don't think Hilary Swank or Rachel Weisz could play the character as well as Jolie could. The others could or would play it better but in no way does that undermind her talent in my opinion. In her age group of 30 to 40 she is definitely in the top 5 or 6 to me.

[Ace of Knaves]

The way I look at it's sorta the same principle as DiCaprio. People even today are still quick to judge him saying he is only where he is today because of his looks and his fame and all that. But DiCaprio is one of the best actors out there IMO. It's the same sorta principle with Jolie, but admittedly, DiCaprio is a better actor than she is.

[Two-Face]

Angelina Jolie is one of the best actress out there in Hollywood and it is limited to male actors.

[batboy99]

In terms of the media, I think she's overrated, but interms of acting, I think shes actually very underrated.

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think shes underrated as an actress. I find myself time and time again completely underwhelmed by her. I know she can do better cause Ive seen it, but she has been on such a pedestal as best actress ever and she clearly doesnt reach that.

[Ethermatic]

I dont think shes underrated as an actress. I find myself time and time again completely underwhelmed by her. I know she can do better cause Ive seen it, but she has been on such a pedestal as best actress ever and she clearly doesnt reach that.

Despite her popularity in the media, I've never once heard anything about her being put on a pedestal as Best Actress Ever. Perhaps as one of the most attractive actresses out there. But nothing to the extent of her acting being greater than any other actress. Good, maybe. But not the greatest. I'm neither pro- nor anti- Angelina Jolie. But reading the pages and pages of posts from people who are one way or another about her, I think there's been some exaggeration on both sides.

Personally, her media attention doesn't bother me. She is a very aware, charitable and intelligent woman who, unlike most celebrities, spends a lot of her money from advertisements and photoshoots on her children, other children and other charities. Commendable, certainly.

I'm not going to blame her for the paparazzi that hounds her, her equally famous boyfriend and her children. It's been years since she's been in the spotlight for anything outlandish, weird or infamous.

Were she to actually get the role of Selina Kyle/Catwoman, I trust it will be because the director and producers liked her portrayal and think it will work well with the story they want to tell. That goes for anyone they choose for any role.

For those who say she's too famous, it's not like Christopher Nolan is afraid of taking on big or well known names. Nor is he afraid of taking on lesser known names or actors known for something other than what their roles under Nolan will entail. He's done both. Which only proves that he picks those he deems worthy of his stories, regardless of their fame and history.

Personally, I'd like to see someone new in a tough, seductive female role. Angelina has done well in terms of portrayal, despite the finished films, and now I wanna see someone else tackle such a character. However, were she to get the role, I'll still see the film. Multiple times. I think Nolan has earned the benefit of the doubt by now.

[Crook]

She is on no such pedestal. The only rep she has as "greatest" would be the sexiest/most beautiful actress in Hollywood. That's pretty much it. I can understand the dislike for her if she was crowned by many as the best actress of her generation and whatnot, but that is far from the case. Far more people overlook her acting if anything.

[margon]

if you did a global poll Jolie would tbe the most beautiful and desired woman in the whole of human history I bet. not saying it's my opinion, but what other women would you have competing for that place? seriously

Selina on the other hand is supposed to be a gutter ****. somehow Hollywood royalty doesn't quite match up to that

[cerealkiller182]

Angelinas not on an acting pedestal?

Im fairly certain I am not imagining her being suggested for almost every raven haired superhero character possible?

[Crook]

That's not what your original statement was talking about.

And in any case, she's suggested because she has the face and body that steps off from the comic books, combined with acting capability. Considering there isn't much variance in how female comic book characters are drawn, it's no surprise Jolie could relatively fit in all of them.

[Ethermatic]

Angelinas not on an acting pedestal?

Im fairly certain I am not imagining her being suggested for almost every raven haired superhero character possible?

Talking of every raven-haired superhero, what exactly is the difference in their looks? Sure their backstories, histories, personalities and roles are different. But in terms of looks, they have dark hair, are attractive and have nice bodies. Angelina Jolie has dark hair, is attractive to a large number of people, and tends to have a nice body most of the time.

You assume everyone is basing their choice of her on her acting abilities. Which, to one extent or another, she does have. And who is doing this suggesting? People on a message board? A small percentage of people who spend their time discussing superhero characters and franchises?

You may want to look at the bigger picture and stay away from celebrity gossip shows, E! and celebrity magazines.

[Cunning Stunts]

The way I look at it's sorta the same principle as DiCaprio. People even today are still quick to judge him saying he is only where he is today because of his looks and his fame and all that. But DiCaprio is one of the best actors out there IMO. It's the same sorta principle with Jolie, but admittedly, DiCaprio is a better actor than she is.

QFT on DiCaprio. I was actually thinking today about how long of a way he's come since his "teeny-bopper" days, and how I wouldn't mind seeing him in Batman 3, to be honest.

I've got to be honest about Jolie. I think she's freakin' gorgeous, and acting-wise she's definitely one of the better actresses out there. However, I only think she's one of the better ones, not quite the best. I think she's very overrated because of her constant appearances in the media and because of her stunning looks. The roles she takes on she does well, but she never surprises me with anything spectacular. Sure, she gets into character well, but does she really make you forget that you're watching Angelina? To be honest, not really. DiCaprio made me do that with The Departed.

I just don't want her as Catwoman because I think there are much better candidates out there, and I think there are actresses who would have much better chemistry with Christian Bale than she would.

I can't knock what she's done- she does do a bit more in her roles than many actors do nowadays, but technically, there's more proficient actors out there that I'd like to see appear in a franchise I'm a die-hard fan for and one that I'm eagerly looking up any possible tidbit of new information on.

Seeing Jolie announced as the next Catwoman would be kind of like getting some sweater you didn't even think to ask for on Christmas- you're glad you got something, but it's a bit of a disappointment.

[Two-Face]

It's funny how people make judge on someone they haven't seen play the character. aka Heath Ledger as Joker, Daniel Craig as James Bond. I hope Jolie does the get the role. To me she fits the bill how I see Catwoman been played.

[The Major]

Rose Byrne.

[[A]]

I *looooove* Rose Byrne

[Cunning Stunts]

It's funny how people make judge on someone they haven't seen play the character. aka Heath Ledger as Joker, Daniel Craig as James Bond. I hope Jolie does the get the role. To me she fits the bill how I see Catwoman been played.

You're doing the same thing...

[regwec]

Daniel Craig and Heath Ledger were not obvious choices for their roles. Angelina Jolie is arguably too obvious. The equivalent candidates to Jolie as Catwoman, in those instances, would have been Clive Owen as Bond and Crispin Glover as The Joker.

[Ace of Knaves]

So Crispin Glover was too obvious? I fail to see that, the guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

[Two-Face]

You're doing the same thing...

I have one choice that is Jolie. I least I don't say they can't act like some people asround here.


Or saying Jolie is famous cos her father and can't act ****.

[cerealkiller182]

Talking of every raven-haired superhero, what exactly is the difference in their looks? Sure their backstories, histories, personalities and roles are different. But in terms of looks, they have dark hair, are attractive and have nice bodies. Angelina Jolie has dark hair, is attractive to a large number of people, and tends to have a nice body most of the time.

You assume everyone is basing their choice of her on her acting abilities. Which, to one extent or another, she does have. And who is doing this suggesting? People on a message board? A small percentage of people who spend their time discussing superhero characters and franchises?

So fanboys who suggest Jolie have no credibility? Gotcha!

You may want to look at the bigger picture and stay away from celebrity gossip shows, E! and celebrity magazines.

LOL, where is this coming from? Did i mention them?

[cerealkiller182]

I have one choice that is Jolie. I least I don't say they can't act like some people asround here.


Or saying Jolie is famous cos her father and can't act ****.

NOt a fan of Jolie as Catwoman but that is a ridiculous nonsensical excuse.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea people who say that haven't got a scooby. It's like saying Keither Sutherland is only famous because of his dad, or that Peter and Jane Fonda are only famous because of their dad.

[Two-Face]

Well it has been said around here.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I know man, but people who say things like that should just be ignored. They obviously don't have a clue about anything. So that renders their opinion not important.

[[A]]

Well it has been said around here.

Never read it.

[cerealkiller182]

Well it has been said around here.

Didnt deny that. I saw it

[Laderlappen]

So Crispin Glover was too obvious? I fail to see that, the guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.'obvious' is not a good word for it. To me Heath was an obvious choice.

[WeaponXProject]

So Crispin Glover was too obvious? I fail to see that, the guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.


I'm not saying he is a good actor but Crispin Glover is good at playing insane characters or something of the like of it. He is a good character actor...which might be because he is infact insane. Has anybody ever seen him do interviews. He is the strangest person I have ever seen on T.V. when he isn't acting.

As for Catwoman I would like to see someone like Charlize Theron play the character but perhaps there are more people that we aren't branching out enough for on this...

[[A]]

I'm not saying he is a good actor but Crispin Glover is good at playing insane characters or something of the like of it. He is a good character actor...which might be because he is infact insane. Has anybody ever seen him do interviews. He is the strangest person I have ever seen on T.V. when he isn't acting
:funny: I remember that Letterman interview--nobody got it back then

[WeaponXProject]

:funny: I remember that Letterman interview--nobody got it back then

Oh you saw it with the high healed shoes...


He's been on someother stuff to that would widen your eyes.

[Cunning Stunts]

'obvious' is not a good word for it. To me Heath was an obvious choice.

You just seem to be all kinds of special, don't you?

I've have never seen someone so full of **** on these forums (not just for this comment, but for all the, "Acting ______ kind of parts is easy," and the like).

I'd have bet money you didn't even THINK "Heath Ledger should be Joker."

[Cunning Stunts]

I have one choice that is Jolie. I least I don't say they can't act like some people asround here.


Or saying Jolie is famous cos her father and can't act ****.

And how do you suppose she got her recognition and into a movie when she was young and first starting?

I'd put money down on "Her daddy." Relations and connections are the ways many actors these days get into the business, sadly. I can almost guarantee she was the same way.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but she isn't where she is today just because of daddy. You could say the same for the Fonda's and Keither, but it would be bollox.

[Cunning Stunts]

Yea but she isn't where she is today just because of daddy. You could say the same for the Fonda's and Keither, but it would be bollox.

No, nobody comes the long ways they do in acting because of daddy, I'm not trying to say that. He's just making it seem like daddy had nothing to do with her first steps into stardom.

I don't think she's a bad actor at all, I just think she's overrated and less technically proficient than most would have you believe. Too many people are caught up in this "Brangelina" ********, along with her humanitarian efforts, and the most cliche' part- her looks.

Believe me, I'd kill to be where she is right now. I'd just rather have someone else's skillset instead. Hers leave a little to be desired.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I do agree, she isn't the greatest actress out there, but she is far from the worst. And I still believe that if she got a role that she could really sink her teeth into like Selina Kyle she would excel. Just look at The Changeling, people are talking of oscar nom for it, I haven't seen it so i can't judge though.

[cerealkiller182]

If Jolie does get the role I hope she channels her character in Hackers or maybe Sky Captain more than say Wanted or Lara Croft. Im not a fan of the super sexy seductress version. Seems like that should be Poison Ivys territory. I want to see like a fun, flirty, friendly competitive, tough and cool chick. Like KAren Allen in Raiders of the Lost Ark or Michelle Monaghan in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

[Cunning Stunts]

Yea I do agree, she isn't the greatest actress out there, but she is far from the worst. And I still believe that if she got a role that she could really sink her teeth into like Selina Kyle she would excel. Just look at The Changeling, people are talking of oscar nom for it, I haven't seen it so i can't judge though.

I'm sure she'll win more Oscars in the future, honestly. I can't lie, I like her movies. I'd just rather see someone else (like Aaron Eckhart's situation) who I think could do a great job all while getting their BIG break from this movie, like Eva Green. I know she's famous and has done a few pretty big movies already, but she doesn't work quite all that much.

Then again, that may be her own preference.

[Crook]

I'd just rather see someone else (like Aaron Eckhart's situation) who I think could do a great job all while getting their BIG break from this movie, like Eva Green. I know she's famous and has done a few pretty big movies already, but she doesn't work quite all that much.
I'd rather not take into account the actor's future welfare. That's silly. A big break will only get you into the door, it won't keep you in.

[Two-Face]

No, nobody comes the long ways they do in acting because of daddy, I'm not trying to say that. He's just making it seem like daddy had nothing to do with her first steps into stardom.

I don't think she's a bad actor at all, I just think she's overrated and less technically proficient than most would have you believe. Too many people are caught up in this "Brangelina" ********, along with her humanitarian efforts, and the most cliche' part- her looks.

Believe me, I'd kill to be where she is right now. I'd just rather have someone else's skillset instead. Hers leave a little to be desired.

Angelina Jolie famous for playing Lara Croft and that put her in stardom not needing daddy's help and she has done movies before Lara but noone gave a **** about her until Lara.

[cerealkiller182]

Lara Croft? Really? Cause those werent that great

[WeaponXProject]

I want to see like a fun, flirty, friendly competitive, tough and cool chick. Like KAren Allen in Raiders of the Lost Ark or Michelle Monaghan in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.


I think that Nolan would want a more emotional character that has conviction. I'm just saying all of the villains in Nolan's seem to have more meaning behind them.

I want her to mirror Batman in a way. Almost as if her past has put her into the place she is now and she does what she believes in when others won't. Perhaps something traumatic. I would like to see her as she was in Batman: Year One only not a prostitute.

As for what got Jolie to where she is I would say it was Girl, Interrupted that got her going.

[cerealkiller182]

I think that Nolan would want a more emotional character that has conviction. I'm just saying all of the villains in Nolan's seem to have more meaning behind them.

I want her to mirror Batman in a way. Almost as if her past has put her into the place she is now and she does what she believes in when others won't. Perhaps something traumatic. I would like to see her as she was in Batman: Year One only not a prostitute.

Theres still room for that. If Catwoman is too come from a traumatic past than the mask is like a gateway to freedom and still be that fun character. She can embody the idea of the mask as in escape from truth which in turn has an effect on Batman giving him ideas to meditate on.

[WeaponXProject]

Theres still room for that. If Catwoman is too come from a traumatic past than the mask is like a gateway to freedom and still be that fun character. She can embody the idea of the mask as in escape from truth which in turn has an effect on Batman giving him ideas to meditate on.

That's a better explanation, I see your point.

To me, I just don't want to see her be fun. I would like her to be serious like Batman is, its just a difference of opinion that's all.


The way you described it before with Karen Allen sounded Schumachery, no offense.

[cerealkiller182]

That's a better explanation, I see your point.

To me, I just don't want to see her be fun. I would like her to be serious like Batman is, its just a difference of opinion that's all.


The way you described it before with Karen Allen sounded Schumachery, no offense.

Schumachery? Did you see Raiders of the Lost Ark? Allen was girly and tough at the same time. Look at Schumachers Poison Ivy, shes all seductress but it sucked and I dont want to see Catwoman that same way. Like that deep voice seductive noir-ish "dame" who speaks all in innuendos is a bad place for Catwoman to go. I want to see her as the woman with no limits. A thrillseeker. Jovial, playful, but tough and edgy, but I am using Catwoman in the strictest sense. Selina Kyle should be taken in a different direction.

[WeaponXProject]

Schumachery? Did you see Raiders of the Lost Ark? Allen was girly and tough at the same time. Look at Schumachers Poison Ivy, shes all seductress but it sucked and I dont want to see Catwoman that same way. Like that deep voice seductive noir-ish "dame" who speaks all in innuendos is a bad place for Catwoman to go. I want to see her as the woman with no limits. A thrillseeker. Jovial, playful, but tough and edgy, but I am using Catwoman in the strictest sense. Selina Kyle should be taken in a different direction.


"INNNNNDDDDDDDYYYYYY!" She was tough but it was cute and corny to me. She could handle her liquor but she was a damsel in distress for half the movie. She smiles in every scene like everything was fun. Germans making her where a sexy dress and she could be held back and had to be saved like half the movie. She punches a couple guys but couldn't handle herself in a fight. I don't want campy fun. I'd rather her be more like Trinity from the Matrix. A woman with dignity and conviction than a fun, cute girl. I liked her character in the movie but I couldn't take that serious in a Nolan movie.

[cerealkiller182]

"INNNNNDDDDDDDYYYYYY!" She was tough but it was cute and corny to me. She could handle her liquor but she was a damsel in distress for half the movie. She smiles in every scene like everything was fun. Germans making her where a sexy dress and she could be held back and had to be saved like half the movie. She punches a couple guys but couldn't handle herself in a fight. I don't want campy fun. I'd rather her be more like Trinity from the Matrix. A woman with dignity and conviction than a fun, cute girl. I liked her character in the movie but I couldn't take that serious in a Nolan movie.

Im talking attitude. Not being her completely useless at what she does, but the way she carries herself. Trinity from the Matrix is exactly what I dont want. I hated Trinity, she was devoid of personality. Boring as ****. I dont really think a regular person would put on a mask and than act introvertly unless your Batman creating a persona. Catwoman should be overly confident and a troublemaker, not stiff and joyless.

EDIT: or rather theres 2 ways a person would go with wearing a mask. Completely introvert or completely extrovert. Its like writing online theres an ambiguous nature to it that allows you to do things you may not have done if you were yourself.

[Crook]

Regardless, I do think there should be a some shift in personality once she interacts with Bats. Nothing too radical, but enough to recognize the effect he has on these masked criminals.

[Laderlappen]

You just seem to be all kinds of special, don't you?

I've have never seen someone so full of **** on these forums (not just for this comment, but for all the, "Acting ______ kind of parts is easy," and the like).

I'd have bet money you didn't even THINK "Heath Ledger should be Joker."I didnt think of Heath when he was cast. But to be fair I couldnt think of any actor. I hated every suggestion. Some of them were like they were picking a name out of a hat. Like Crispin Glover. The guy hasnt done crap in 25 years, and what part he did then wasnt so special. He's just weird and looks weird. That's why people wanted. And because he is a nut in real life.

Heath proved(before TDK) that he was one of the greatest actors of his generation. He kinda looked like the Joker, and he has played dark roles before. And not too much like the Joker. When he was cast, I was glad(and kinda suprised because I guess I expected some of the suggested actors). I never got the hate. Most of the hate was because of stupid reasons anyway(him playing a gay guy before, and him having alot of fangirls). And it was not only me that accepted from the start. Am I full of S for accepting an actor for the role that will soon give him an oscar?

I have defended myself for the "easy" thing before. Its pointless for me to do that again. Partly because you didnt seem to understand what I meant, and probably wouldnt if I explained it again.

[flickchick85]

Schumachery? Did you see Raiders of the Lost Ark? Allen was girly and tough at the same time. Look at Schumachers Poison Ivy, shes all seductress but it sucked and I dont want to see Catwoman that same way. Like that deep voice seductive noir-ish "dame" who speaks all in innuendos is a bad place for Catwoman to go. I want to see her as the woman with no limits. A thrillseeker. Jovial, playful, but tough and edgy, but I am using Catwoman in the strictest sense. Selina Kyle should be taken in a different direction.
I agree that while she needs to be tough, fun, and flirty, this character needs a darker, more complex side that neither Michelle Monaghan in KKBB nor Marion from Indy had. And for the record, Indiana Jones is rooted in cartoons/serials from the '30's. Spielberg basically did well what Schumacher did horribly, but they both had similar intentions and inspirations - so drawing from Indy for a character example does sound a little bit..."Schumachery" to me, too. But I agree with the attributes you want her have; I just think those examples leave out some very essential attributes as well, and if she truly were too much like either of those two characters, I'd be disappointed.

And I also agree with Crook that Batman should be the only person able to shake her cool, in-command, unflappable exterior.

[cerealkiller182]

I agree that while she needs to be tough, fun, and flirty, this character needs a darker, more complex side that neither Michelle Monaghan in KKBB nor Marion from Indy had. And for the record, Indiana Jones is rooted in cartoons/serials from the '30's. Spielberg basically did well what Schumacher did horribly, but they both had similar intentions and inspirations - so drawing from Indy for a character example does sound a little bit..."Schumachery" to me, too. But I agree with the attributes you want her have; I just think those examples leave out some very essential attributes as well, and if she truly were too much like either of those two characters, I'd be disappointed.

But I was referencing a very specific dimension I wanted this character to have. Not the only. Its a specific aspect I wanted covered not carbon copied from my examples. LOL. I didnt think I would be taken so literally where if my examples dont have a characteristic that I meant Catwoman wouldnt either.

[flickchick85]

^I know that you don't want carbon copies of those characters, but even those characteristics you cited them for, if portrayed as they were with those examples, would seem all wrong for Catwoman to me. There's a broad, cartoonish "fun flirty female" character, and then there are the ones grounded in reality. The two that you picked were the former, which is why I was disagreeing with the examples, not the attributes.

But really, it was just me being nitpicky and bored, sorry 'bout that. We can move on now if you'd like. ;)

...Um, go Marion! And here's something new - for anyone unfamiliar with her, wondering if she has "The Edge" that was so debated a little while ago or think she looks too "soft," you can see it here without her even saying a word (the scene's a little graphic, fyi, so I'll post a link instead of embedding it since I'm not sure if its safe for SHH): from A Very Long Engagement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_dPQEDHJxk&fmt=18)

She was great in that movie, btw. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4JO9qLp0LA#t=5m15s)