The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[kid dropper]

the thing thats incongruous about blanchettt is her nose, shes got this pronounced, strong sharp face, but with a bulbous, soft nose. thats what it is imagine her with a smaller, sharper nose, shed be flawless,

[Doctor Jones]

What do people NOT like about Kate Beckinsale?

I can't seem to find anything in general. :huh:

[Blackman]

What do people NOT like about Kate Beckinsale?

I can't seem to find anything in general. :huh:

as Catwoman

[Laderlappen]

I have a question...what do people not like about Kate Beckinsale as Catwoman. I hear people say no to her but I never get an explanationIts mostly her lack of talent.

[WeaponXProject]

What do people NOT like about Kate Beckinsale?

I can't seem to find anything in general. :huh:


She's okay but she hasn't given a powerful performance. She hasn't branched out and tried something out from what you expect from her.

[hatebox]

She got very good reviews for her recent film, Nothing but the Truth, but I'm sure there are better actress's out there.


It's weird though, because at this point I'd still be surprised if Nolan uses Catwoman. She's a great character, but as of now still the most predictable choice for a villain. Perhaps that's neither a good or bad aspect, but you can bet Nolan won't use her unless he thinks of something new and interesting to do with her.

[jmc]

What do people NOT like about Kate Beckinsale?

I can't seem to find anything in general. :huh:

She's just a mediocre actress.

[jmc]

She got very good reviews for her recent film, Nothing but the Truth, but I'm sure there are better actress's out there.


It's weird though, because at this point I'd still be surprised if Nolan uses Catwoman. She's a great character, but as of now still the most predictable choice for a villain. Perhaps that's neither a good or bad aspect, but you can bet Nolan won't use her unless he thinks of something new and interesting to do with her.

New like actually doing a film interpretation with her being an actual Cat-burglar.

[Blackman]

She's just a mediocre actress.

She's okay but she hasn't given a powerful performance. She hasn't branched out and tried something out from what you expect from her.

Its mostly her lack of talent.

Well bully to all of you :oldrazz:

[Alex Logan]

Its mostly her lack of talent.

She's just a mediocre actress.

It's weird that this is the only place where I've found people who think that about her.

Strange.

:huh:

[elgato]

Beckinsaled is not such a bad actress, she's an avarage actress, but i think Catwoman needs an amazing actress

[batboy99]

i kind of agree with the other guy...Shes attractive (i dont know what az824 was complaining bout some damn cheek bones). I mean i'd tap that. But she doesnt seem like Catwoman. She beautiful, wife material...but shes not hot...

Like in a game of marry, bang (censored), kill
She would be the marry
I understand, but to call her unattractive? C'mon...

[CFE]

Beckinsale?

I'm BeckinSOLD!!!!

I think she proved herself fairly well in the 'Underworld' films and 'Van Helsing.'

She can do it.

[Blackman]

I think Beckinsale would be the ideal choice

Sexy (Looks, voice, everything). She would fit into a leather suit quite nicely
Has at least some background in action movies, fight scenes in film
She's a good actress.Call her decent at the least but i dont think you can call her bad.
Starred onscreen with Bale as his girlfriend. They already have some chemistry to build on.
She wants the role. Shes been very vocal in trying to get the role. Which proves at least a little dedication


My main gripe is that she may be too famous. Nolan always went with the semi lesser known people (probaly to avoid diva/ego problems). I dont know how she is on set, but that is my main worry

[batboy99]

She's decent. Not grea,t decent.
And I wouldnt say that Underworld or Van Helsing really proved anything besides her being super hot.

[CFE]

She's decent. Not grea,t decent.
And I wouldnt say that Underworld or Van Helsing really proved anything besides her being super hot.

I think they proved a great deal...it's not like playing Selina requires Oscar calibur skills. But on the other hand who knows...Kate could surprise us.

I think she's a very well rounded package, both beautiful and acting chops that are good enough.

[batboy99]

Again, she's decent, but she hasnt really impressed me with anything, and I know others are the same way.

[Blackman]

Another Question: If They Chose to Have an Black Catwoman... who should it be?

Personally I am against this. And dont call me a racist for it. I'm black myself, I just think they should use the character similar to the comics, BTAS etc.

But my choice would be if it was 10 years ago: Vivica Fox
but for now i have no idea...no Beyonce or Halle Berry.. maybe Sanaa Lathan

[Blackman]

I think they proved a great deal...it's not like playing Selina requires Oscar calibur skills. But on the other hand who knows...Kate could surprise us.

I think she's a very well rounded package, both beautiful and acting chops that are good enough.

complete co sign

[batboy99]

Another Question: If They Chose to Have an Black Catwoman... who should it be?

Personally I am against this. And dont call me a racist for it. I'm black myself, I just think they should use the character similar to the comics, BTAS etc.

But my choice would be if it was 10 years ago: Vivica Fox
but for now i have no idea...no Beyonce or Halle Berry.. maybe Sanaa Lathan
Rosario Dawson, Paula Patton or Gina Torres.

[Blackman]

Rosario Dawson.

nice. also another choice: Sydney Poitier

[elgato]

Another Question: If They Chose to Have an Black Catwoman... who should it be?

Personally I am against this. And dont call me a racist for it. I'm black myself, I just think they should use the character similar to the comics, BTAS etc.

But my choice would be if it was 10 years ago: Vivica Fox
but for now i have no idea...no Beyonce or Halle Berry.. maybe Sanaa Lathan

Mmmm Vivica A. Fox... (dirty thoughts) I would choose Rosario Dawson

[The Major]

Again, its a movie, things can be changed.

Not all changes are good or make sense depending on the property.

I dont mind realistic approaches, but movies should be something out of the ordinary. When I go to the movies, I want to watch something that isnt so realistic. Sure, its great to relate to characters, but I dont want it to be too realistic.

Did you find Nolan's Batman films realistic or not?

Obviously they have to make sense.
What you're talking about won't make sense in Nolan's Batman. Realism trumps everything for his version IMO.

[Blackman]

Also I was wondering what Is everybody's idea of a story for Catwoman

Mine:
Selina Kyle. Shy, cat obsessed, single, secretary for Janus Cosmetics (Roman Sionis's company) by day. A thief by night. At the start of the movie she is just beginning robbing jewelry stores and whatnot, with just a ski Mask. Shes is a expert gymnast, martial artist, and student of parkour After encountering Batman and escaping (thanks to the police trying to catch Batman). After this she steals some things from Applied Science at Wayne corp (Claws made up of same material that Batman's retractable razors from TDK, whip made up from same material as his cape). Makes her own leather outfit and officially becoming Catwoman.

The story ties Catwoman and Black Mask Janus Cosmetics). and Both Mask and Cat deal with the idea of reflections of Batman. Bruce chose to uses mask for good, Roman uses it for evil, and Selina doesn't care which side she's on as long as she gets a profit.

[flickchick85]

I think they proved a great deal...it's not like playing Selina requires Oscar calibur skills. But on the other hand who knows...Kate could surprise us.

I think she's a very well rounded package, both beautiful and acting chops that are good enough.
Wow, way to set the bar low. You just described how to make an adequate Catwoman. I, for one, would much prefer to see a great one.

Beckinsale is a decent actress. Nothing special. Which means if she were cast, her Catwoman would likely be...nothing special. To me, Catwoman can and should be nothing short of a spectacular character to add to an already fantastic franchise. And yes, I believe an Oscar caliber actress would have better odds of making that happen than a decent actress.

[Melkay]

Completely agreed, for me the selected actress needs to the acting skills that match her physical attratictive, if not superior. This is a very rich that is meant to be complex and realistic at the same time, and would demands a great deal of any actress. Usually I agree with you, CFE, but I completely disagree there where you say that playing Selina doesn't require awards caliber actresses. It does. It really does.

[Alex Logan]

Beckinsaled is not such a bad actress, she's an avarage actress, but i think Catwoman needs an amazing actress


Agreed, she hasn't branched out as someone else said, but I don't think Catwoman needs an "amazing" actress.

I think Beckinsale would be the ideal choice


Sexy (Looks, voice, everything). She would fit into a leather suit quite nicely
Has at least some background in action movies, fight scenes in film
She's a good actress.Call her decent at the least but i dont think you can call her bad.
Starred onscreen with Bale as his girlfriend. They already have some chemistry to build on.
She wants the role. Shes been very vocal in trying to get the role. Which proves at least a little dedication.

My main gripe is that she may be too famous. Nolan always went with the semi lesser known people (probaly to avoid diva/ego problems). I dont know how she is on set, but that is my main worry

When was she vocal about getting the role? I don't think she's too famous.

I think they proved a great deal...it's not like playing Selina requires Oscar calibur skills. But on the other hand who knows...Kate could surprise us.

I think she's a very well rounded package, both beautiful and acting chops that are good enough.

:up:

Also I was wondering what Is everybody's idea of a story for Catwoman

Mine:

Selina Kyle. Shy, cat obsessed, single, secretary for Janus Cosmetics (Roman Sionis's company) by day. A thief by night. At the start of the movie she is just beginning robbing jewelry stores and whatnot, with just a ski Mask. Shes is a expert gymnast, martial artist, and student of parkour After encountering Batman and escaping (thanks to the police trying to catch Batman). After this she steals some things from Applied Science at Wayne corp (Claws made up of same material that Batman's retractable razors from TDK, whip made up from same material as his cape). Makes her own leather outfit and officially becoming Catwoman.

The story ties Catwoman and Black Mask Janus Cosmetics). and Both Mask and Cat deal with the idea of reflections of Batman. Bruce chose to uses mask for good, Roman uses it for evil, and Selina doesn't care which side she's on as long as she gets a profit.

Too much like the Catwoman from Batman Returns.

[Laderlappen]

It's weird that this is the only place where I've found people who think that about her.

Strange.

:huh:That IS weird. She has never been known of being a great actress.

[Blackman]

Agreed, she hasn't branched out as someone else said, but I don't think Catwoman needs an "amazing" actress.



When was she vocal about getting the role? I don't think she's too famous.
Look up Kate Beckinsale+Catwoman in google


Too much like the Catwoman from Batman Returns.

Forget Batman Returns, it was wack. Catwoman was gross to me. The Penguin was unbearable
IDK I was just tryna combine the Black Mask and the Catwoman story

This might be interesting to (From DC Wiki Database)
"Black Mask began a drug trafficking ring and decided to move his organization into Gotham's East End, drawing the attention of Catwoman, who had sworn to protect that area of the city.[1]

Catwoman interfered in Black Mask's plans, stealing money from him and giving it to the poor, and injuring many of his men. Black Mask decided he wanted to remove the problem, and so found an old friend of Selina Kyle's, Sylvia Sinclair, who was working in the Gotham mobs. She revealed Catwoman's secret identity to him, and he began a campaign of terror against her... He blew up the new youth center she had endowed with the stolen money, hounded her, and kidnapped her sister and brother-in-law... She attacked Black Mask, and the two of them fought across his penthouse. "

[Leenie]

So, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Natalie Portman would be a good choice ... ?

Anyway, Portman or Beckinsale would be my picks for the role.

[Leenie]

Sorry. Double post.

[[A]]

^ you guessed right :oldrazz:

[batboy99]

So, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Natalie Portman would be a good choice ... ?

Anyway, Portman or Beckinsale would be my picks for the role.Portman is a good actress, but still looks like shes 12 years old or something.


Not all changes are good or make sense depending on the property.

Exactly, but I dont think having a good looking scientist would be that bad. Obviously she wouldnt be as hot as she is in her Ivy stage, but she would still be very good looking.



Did you find Nolan's Batman films realistic or not?

Yes and no. There are alot of realistic aspects but alot of it was unrealistic.

What you're talking about won't make sense in Nolan's Batman. Realism trumps everything for his version IMO I disagree. People make it sound like these movies are the msot realistic things ever.
I saw a man with half his face blown up, showing his bone structure survive and speak normally. I saw a woman being thrown off a building and a man jumping from that building to save her and surviving.

This is what I was talking about. The films are realistic in a sense, but it is still a little stretched. Do you know what I mean? Not sure if Im explaining it properly.

[Crook]

That IS weird. She has never been known of being a great actress.
Her rep as an actress is being overblown here. She was never known to be great, but she was never known to be bad either. Underworld and Pearl Harbor are pretty much her only decent mainstream successes. For the most part, she is still fairly unknown to American audiences. At best, she's the hot British chick.

She's done plenty of low-key flicks where she has shown some acting though. Not many have seen them. I just don't get how there's this overreaction like Kate is the UK version of Alba or something. :huh:

[batboy99]

Kate isnt really THAT bad. Shes not great, but she isnt horrible either.

[kid dropper]

No Rosario Dawson please, shes basically just the Afro-Hispanic version of Jolie , too much predictable, "wild-eyed sexpot" goin on there

[Laderlappen]

Beckinsale isnt the worst actress in the world. She's just like 'pick a name out of a hat' type of choice. She's about equally talanted as the average actress in hollywood, famous or not famous.

[[A]]

Consider Beckinsale the worst of the world in a thread that hails Jolie sounds.. oh I give up :whatever:

[jmc]

Beckinsale is not the worlds worst actress, she's just average, she doesn't bring much to the table, there are just so many better options than her out there. I guarantee if she had not done those Underworld films or Van Helsing her name would barley rate a mention as a Catwoman candidate. After the list of solid actors we've been fortunate to have in this Nolan series, Beckinsale would be a step down in terms of casting.

[Alex Logan]

That IS weird. She has never been known of being a great actress.

Well that's what I'm talking about. The way you put it makes it sound like it's common world knowledge that she's a bad actress and as I said this is first place that I've ran across people who think she's really bad.

When I think of a really bad actress I don't think of her, I think of Pam Anderson.

Forget Batman Returns, it was wack. Catwoman was gross to me. The Penguin was unbearable
IDK I was just tryna combine the Black Mask and the Catwoman story

This might be interesting to (From DC Wiki Database)
"Black Mask began a drug trafficking ring and decided to move his organization into Gotham's East End, drawing the attention of Catwoman, who had sworn to protect that area of the city.[1]

Catwoman interfered in Black Mask's plans, stealing money from him and giving it to the poor, and injuring many of his men. Black Mask decided he wanted to remove the problem, and so found an old friend of Selina Kyle's, Sylvia Sinclair, who was working in the Gotham mobs. She revealed Catwoman's secret identity to him, and he began a campaign of terror against her... He blew up the new youth center she had endowed with the stolen money, hounded her, and kidnapped her sister and brother-in-law... She attacked Black Mask, and the two of them fought across his penthouse. "

It was a nice touch to see someone trying to put that story together, but I think there are better ways of doing it. Plus, Catwoman's background reminded me too much of the Batman Returns Catwoman.

Her rep as an actress is being overblown here. She was never known to be great, but she was never known to be bad either. Underworld and Pearl Harbor are pretty much her only decent mainstream successes. For the most part, she is still fairly unknown to American audiences. At best, she's the hot British chick.

She's done plenty of low-key flicks where she has shown some acting though. Not many have seen them. I just don't get how there's this overreaction like Kate is the UK version of Alba or something. :huh:

I agree.

[The Major]

It was a nice touch to see someone trying to put that story together, but I think there are better ways of doing it. Plus, Catwoman's background reminded me too much of the Batman Returns Catwoman.
It had to much in common with the Patience Price Catwoman, as well. The character needs a complete overhaul severing her from both Burton and Pitof's influences.

[RockyBatboa]

Jolie murders the competion (other than beckinsale)

As for Kerri Russel, in the pic above, she brings to mind Michelle Phieffer. as good as pheiffer was in burton's vision, i dont think nolan will go for someone that similar-looking. plus she's too sensitive in most of her roles. Can't see her bringing an ounce of the agression catwoman needs.

I'd bring in Jolie as Catwoman and Malcovich as Black Mask, w/ a Johnny Depp recast for the Joker to boot.

ahh, now we're talking.

[Alex Logan]

It had to much in common with the Patience Price Catwoman, as well. The character needs a complete overhaul severing her from both Burton and Pitof's influences.

I wouldn't know because that film is on the black list, but I'm sure you're right. :cwink:

Jolie murders the competion (other than beckinsale)

As for Kerri Russel, in the pic above, she brings to mind Michelle Phieffer. as good as pheiffer was in burton's vision, i dont think nolan will go for someone that similar-looking. plus she's too sensitive in most of her roles. Can't see her bringing an ounce of the agression catwoman needs.

I'd bring in Jolie as Catwoman and Malcovich as Black Mask, w/ a Johnny Depp recast for the Joker to boot.


ahh, now we're talking.

No offense, but I don't think you could come up with a better way to destory what Nolan has built.

[flickchick85]

Her rep as an actress is being overblown here. She was never known to be great, but she was never known to be bad either. Underworld and Pearl Harbor are pretty much her only decent mainstream successes. For the most part, she is still fairly unknown to American audiences. At best, she's the hot British chick.

She's done plenty of low-key flicks where she has shown some acting though. Not many have seen them. I just don't get how there's this overreaction like Kate is the UK version of Alba or something.
I don't think anyone here is trying to paint her as some sort of Alba-level terrible actress. I have seen Beckinsale in her greater acting achievements, and I still say she is a decent actress - nothing more, nothing less. While it wouldn't be some sort of great tragedy if she were to be cast, I simply believe we can do better for this role in this franchise.

[Crook]

Then again, I believe Nolan deserves the benefit of the doubt here. Even though he hasn't really impressed me with any of his female castings as of late.

[flickchick85]

Oh, I agree, and if I haven't yet, I'll say for the record that I would support any casting decision Nolan could make. I think he's earned that. I just think, if he does indeed include Catwoman, that he'd likely aim a little higher than Beckinsale. If he were to cast her though, I'd assume she'd knocked his socks off in the audition process in which she would've shown some qualities I haven't seen yet, and I wouldn't presume to question his judgment. And I still think the female casting was a result of the sketchy female writing (aka, David Goyer created the character, so I place most of the blame on him), and no one could have really made that character much more interesting. With such a rich character as Catwoman, though, I think/hope he can deliver the same greatness we've come to expect from the male characters in this series.

[Laderlappen]

Well that's what I'm talking about. The way you put it makes it sound like it's common world knowledge that she's a bad actress and as I said this is first place that I've ran across people who think she's really bad.She's not bad. Just pretty much the description of average. There are probably as many actors working famous or not famous that are better than her as there are worse than her. She's the female Josh Hartnett. Not great, not terrible. Average.

[Cunning Stunts]

Wow, way to set the bar low. You just described how to make an adequate Catwoman. I, for one, would much prefer to see a great one.

Beckinsale is a decent actress. Nothing special. Which means if she were cast, her Catwoman would likely be...nothing special. To me, Catwoman can and should be nothing short of a spectacular character to add to an already fantastic franchise. And yes, I believe an Oscar caliber actress would have better odds of making that happen than a decent actress.

Exactly... I think Catwoman's biggest problem would be her being stereotyped as all beauty and no brains... Basically a hollow character put in there to provide Batman with a sexy love interest.

I'd much rather a great Catwoman as well. I'm still bent on Eva Green for the role, honestly, and I think she could pull off a great performance (as well as be the perfect match for Christian Bale).

[RockyBatboa]

I wouldn't know because that film is on the black list, but I'm sure you're right. :cwink:



No offense, but I don't think you could come up with a better way to destory what Nolan has built.


:whatever:

[batboy99]

Rocky, who do you like for Catwoman?

[RockyBatboa]

Either Angelina Jolie or Kate Beckinsale preferrably.

I know Jolie is an overused choice, but i cant think of a better choice that would meet all three objectives for the character: acting chops/style to potray her, stunningly beatiful , and popular enough to bring butts into theater seats hardcore.

Beckinsales a second choice b/c her and bale work well togeather, and also can be agressively sexy , hell she built her career on it-underworld, van helsing.

I can also see Charlize theron, bt rather have her for ivy.

btw, can i ask your advice on something.

[Jay#1]

Penelope Cruz

[Melkay]

Either Angelina Jolie or Kate Beckinsale preferrably.

I know Jolie is an overused choice, but i cant think of a better choice that would meet all three objectives for the character: acting chops/style to potray her, stunningly beatiful , and popular enough to bring butts into theater seats hardcore.

You want an alternative choice? Marion Cotillard. Better acting chops, perfect style for this role, stunningly beautiful whithout becoming a bimbo or an exaggerated sexual fantasy, and popular enough... have you ever heard of the 'too popular for her own good' complaint about Jolie?

Beckinsales a second choice b/c

.... becaaausse??

her and bale work well togeather

BS. He work with Bale got one of his worst performances out of him.

also can be agressively sexy. hell she built her career on it-underworld, van helsing.

Sexy? Yes. Aggressively?! Pffftttt.... You seem to have missed every role she has been in. Not even in Underworld she seemed dangerous or agressive. In Van Helsing she's just the damsel in distress again. She can't elicit an aggressive performance if her life depended on it.

I can also see Charlize theron

I prefer Jolie over her, but I admit she's a pretty decent choice.

[flickchick85]

It worries me when people use Laurel Canyon as a reason Bale and Beckinsale should work together again, b/c I feel like we've seen 2 different movies. From the movie I saw, they had about as little chemistry as two actors could have. And yes, I know they were supposed to be in a rather boring marriage, so I'm not even really talking about sexual chemistry - I mean actor chemistry. The ability to build off of what your co-star is delivering and use it to strengthen and inform your own performance. Those two might as well have delivered their performances in separate rooms, they were so unengaged with one another. That movie was just not a shining moment for either of them, imo.

[Alex Logan]

:whatever:

Sorry, nothing personal.

It worries me when people use Laurel Canyon as a reason Bale and Beckinsale should work together again, b/c I feel like we've seen 2 different movies. From the movie I saw, they had about as little chemistry as two actors could have. And yes, I know they were supposed to be in a rather boring marriage, so I'm not even really talking about sexual chemistry - I mean actor chemistry. The ability to build off of what your co-star is delivering and use it to strengthen and inform your own performance. Those two might as well have delivered their performances in separate rooms, they were so unengaged with one another. That movie was just not a shining moment for either of them, imo.

You hit the nail on the head.

[flickchick85]

Um, but then there was all that other stuff I said. If it was as simple as that, I would've left it at that. It's not like I answered my own question or something.:huh:

[Crook]

Well perhaps the non-chemistry worked. I don't even remember the film to be honest. But if the director meant to depict a relationship where 2 people have completely lost their spark, then the two not being able to connect would have served that purpose.

Kinda like how Keanu and Arnie were so perfect for their roles as Neo and the Terminator, respectively. It's not so much of what they had, but what they lacked, that made it work.

[Melkay]

Which is also an argument against Beckinsale as Catwoman.

[Jay#1]

Penelope Cruz is a great choice, she's sexy and has great acting ability. she screams feline to me for some reason

[flickchick85]

Which is also an argument against Beckinsale as Catwoman.
Exactly. Whether or not Bale and Beckinsale were chosen for their roles in Laurel Canyon because of their lack of any kind of chemistry is debatable, but either way, it's certainly not a good example when trying to argue that they should work together again in the two roles that should have the ultimate on-screen chemistry. Like Melkay said, it seems to me to be a pretty strong argument against it.

[RockyBatboa]

Sorry, nothing personal.



You hit the nail on the head.



Nothing personal pereived, by me atleast. You just couldnt be more lame though by suggesting i'd somehow ruin what Nolan started if i put Joker, Black Mask and Catwoman into the next movie. Since i didnt elaborate on story ideas (which i do have a few goodf'n ones) in the post, i must assume you just had problems w/ those 3 villians. Your loss.


As for the Laurel Canyone argument, i think you guys are really stretching a thin issue there. As already pointed out they weren't supposed to have sexual chemistry, quite the opposite.

[Melkay]

It's not that debatable either. Take Kate Winslet for example. She has worked as a woman in a frutrated couple with both Jim Carrey in Eternal Sunshine and with DiCaprio in Revolutionary Road, and I don't think anyone can say here she didn't have chemistry with Caprey or (even less) DiCaprio. Chesmitry is not only about portraying that specific sitution but also about getting the best performance out of your fellow actor/actress. And I've seen Bale deliver splendid performances, but not in Laurel Canyon. On the other hand, I've never seen an splendid Beckinsale in any of her movies, so...

[RockyBatboa]

It's not that debatable either. Take Kate Winslet for example. She has worked as a woman in a frutrated couple with both Jim Carrey in Eternal Sunshine and with DiCaprio in Revolutionary Road, and I don't think anyone can say here she didn't have chemistry with Caprey or (even less) DiCaprio. Chesmitry is not only about portraying that specific sitution but also about getting the best performance out of your fellow actor/actress. And I've seen Bale deliver splendid performances, but not in Laurel Canyon. On the other hand, I've never seen an splendid Beckinsale in any of her movies, so...


Wrong sub-genre?

This from the guy who thinks Brad Pitt doesnt lack the soul of drama:wit.:whatever:

[RockyBatboa]

Ergo) - comparing Lauren Canyon to Titanic or ESSM is pretty ridiculous.

LC was drama/romantic.

T-romantic/action

ESSM-romantic/(innovative) melodrama

[Melkay]

And this from RockyBatboa, who needs no introduction. Tell us the 'banana and nuts' line again, Rocky, we all like it. ;)

[flickchick85]

As for the Laurel Canyone argument, i think you guys are really stretching a thin issue there. As already pointed out they weren't supposed to have sexual chemistry, quite the opposite.
And as I said before, we aren't just talking about sexual chemistry here. If we were, then yeah, I'd say it was on purpose, and good for them. But I'm talking about actor chemistry as well. Melkay just pointed out a couple of examples of couples who were supposed to lack sexual chemistry (at some points in their stories) and were facing "boring relationships." But they were still interesting to watch because they had chemistry as actors, not as a couple. You could sense that there was a history there with their characters, that they were sad that the fire went out or that what they had was gone. Watching Beckinsale and Bale together was like watching black hole. There was simply nothing interesting there to see.

ETA: And Rocky, Melkay was not talking about Titanic. He was talking about Revolutionary Road, where Winslet and DiCaprio play a couple facing pretty much the same problem that Beckinsale and Bale were supposed to have in Laurel Canyon.

[Melkay]

Ergo) - comparing Lauren Canyon to Titanic or ESSM is pretty ridiculous.

LC was drama/romantic.

T-romantic/action

ESSM-romantic/(innovative) melodrama

:wow:

First you say Beckinsale hs chemistry with Bale, second you say she is aggresively sexy (pffftt! :whatever:), third you say she is a better choice than Cotillard, fourth you read Winslet and DiCaprio and think I'm talkin about Titanic (and I remember you were talking about Pitt without having seen Jesse James, Button or Babel; do you see any movies, at all?)... fifth, Beckinsale is a..... it's too absurd to type.... good actress...
... and sixth you say that LC was a drama but Titanic was a Romantic/Action?

do you have a clue about anything?

This is the deal: good acting transcends genres. I'm comparing between a consistently good actress, Winslet, and a consistently bad one: Beckinsale. And you try to ignore a career of crudely mediocre performances by 'comparing genres'??

Someone give me a tranquilizer darts gun, please.

[Melkay]

And Rocky, Melkay was not talking about Titanic. He was talking about Revolutionary Road, where Winslet and DiCaprio play a couple facing pretty much the same problem that Beckinsale and Bale were supposed to have in Laurel Canyon.

Ouch Rocky! You can peel your face back from the wall now. :word:

[RockyBatboa]

And this from RockyBatboa, who needs no introduction. Tell us the 'banana and nuts' line again, Rocky, we all like it. ;)


Sorry, melkay, my banana and nuts arent for you -stay off 'em.:oldrazz:

[RockyBatboa]

And as I said before, we aren't just talking about sexual chemistry here. If we were, then yeah, I'd say it was on purpose, and good for them. But I'm talking about actor chemistry as well. Melkay just pointed out a couple of examples of couples who were supposed to lack sexual chemistry (at some points in their stories) and were facing "boring relationships." But they were still interesting to watch because they had chemistry as actors, not as a couple. You could sense that there was a history there with their characters, that they were sad that the fire went out or that what they had was gone. Watching Beckinsale and Bale together was like watching black hole. There was simply nothing interesting there to see.

ETA: And Rocky, Melkay was not talking about Titanic. He was talking about Revolutionary Road, where Winslet and DiCaprio play a couple facing pretty much the same problem that Beckinsale and Bale were supposed to have in Laurel Canyon.



I find the chemistry between Dicaprio and Winslet to be severely over-rated. It's bad enough Winslet fans have had to see her suffer twice now with Dicaprio pieces. Winslet's bright enough as an actress, not bad on the eyes at all. She's quite capable of bringing the audience in without condescending them.

Dicaprio seems uncapable of anything short of wincing and daydreaming. In their two shared films, Winslet was the one who walked away with the Oscar. and i'll bet your lucky stars and gets a nom and win for RR-dicraprio may get a nom, but he wont win. He's become a Deniro -lite in the last five years under Scorcese's wing. He had more charm and wit in his earlier films (WEGG, TBD). I've lost hope for him. Just compare him to Matt Damon in D-we're they even in the same movie?!

As for the mix-up between RR and T, my bad. Noone's perfect, exept Brad Pitt of course. LMAO!!:hehe:

[Crook]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just downplay DiCaprio's talent/potential as an actor, when you previously upheld Beckinsale's? Am I reading that right?

:huh:

[RockyBatboa]

Excuse me?

[Melkay]

And there we go with the "lack of wit" :whatever:

You praise overrated female sex symbols but dislike and reject their more talented male counterparts (Pitt, DiCaprio) even when you haven't seen some of the most important works of one of them, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had not seen The Aviator, and you expect us to excuse you?

You're just too much.

[RockyBatboa]

And there we go with the "lack of wit" :whatever:

You praise overrated female sex symbols but dislike and reject their more talented male counterparts (Pitt, DiCaprio) even when you haven't seen some of the most important works of one of them, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had not seen The Aviator, and you expect us to excuse you?

You're just too much.

Excuse me?? LOL

You're the one holding up the shell of an actor named Brad Pitt. Noneffectual, witless, lacking even an ounce of class or dimension. No sense of humor, and brazen. This is a good actor in you estimation?...

Actually, no, i'm not that suprised.

btw, all the things pitt lacks, Beckinsale has some measure of.

AS for the Aviator, would it make you feel better if i had seen it? I still find Dicaprio to be quite clueless. Of all his modern films he actually comes closest to success in "Catch me if you Can"-but that brings me back to what i saw of him in his earlier work.

Again with Kate, she's one of the top votes on this poll.

[flickchick85]

I find the chemistry between Dicaprio and Winslet to be severely over-rated. It's bad enough Winslet fans have had to see her suffer twice now with Dicaprio pieces. Winslet's bright enough as an actress, not bad on the eyes at all. She's quite capable of bringing the audience in without condescending them.

Dicaprio seems uncapable of anything short of wincing and daydreaming. In their two shared films, Winslet was the one who walked away with the Oscar. and i'll bet your lucky stars and gets a nom and win for RR-dicraprio may get a nom, but he wont win. He's become a Deniro -lite in the last five years under Scorcese's wing. He had more charm and wit in his earlier films (WEGG, TBD). I've lost hope for him. Just compare him to Matt Damon in D-we're they even in the same movie?!

Wow, I've had the complete opposite reaction to his more recent work, so I guess there's nothing else for me to say there. Well then, just out of curiosity - have you seen Revolutionary Road?

[RockyBatboa]

And there we go with the "lack of wit" :whatever:


You're just too much..


Hate to break it too you and your ilk, but pitt isnt as universally praised as you might like to obsess. It's fine you adore him, but i suggest looking elsewhere if you're more appreciative of talented character actors.

[RockyBatboa]

Wow, I've had the complete opposite reaction to his more recent work, so I guess there's nothing else for me to say there. Well then, just out of curiosity - have you seen Revolutionary Road?

not for lack of resistance.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yo RockyBatboa, Yo ADRIAN!!! :hehe:

Brad Pitt and Leo are great actors, they are chameleons. Yea both of them have done some fluff in their time, but so have most of the top actors and actresses out there. I dunno how someone could see Twelve Monkeys, Se7en, Interview with the Vampire, Seven years in Tibet, Legends of the Fall, Fight Club and Snatch and deny this. Every single one of them roles he completely disappeared into. It wasn't just Brad Pitt playing Brad Pitt. He is one of the great actors out there, along with DiCaprio. It seems that some people let all the fame and their looks or whatever get in the way of making fair judgements on their abilities. The same thing happens with Jolie to an extent.

[RockyBatboa]

Yo RockyBatboa, Yo ADRIAN!!! :hehe:

Brad Pitt and Leo are great actors, they are chameleons. Yea both of them have done some fluff in their time, but so have most of the top actors and actresses out there. I dunno how someone could see Twelve Monkeys, Se7en, Interview with the Vampire, Seven years in Tibet, Legends of the Fall, Fight Club and Snatch and deny this. Every single one of them roles he completely disappeared into. It wasn't just Brad Pitt playing Brad Pitt. He is one of the great actors out there, along with DiCaprio. It seems that some people let all the fame and their looks or whatever get in the way of making fair judgements on their abilities. The same thing happens with Jolie to an extent.

12 Monkeys- check (and i already gave him credit for that one, 14 years starts to wane of my patience, though)

Seven-this is a joke, right? All his wincing, machismo does not a good performance make, correct. Freeman was superb, find fincher directing. pitt couldnt even make the audience care after his wife's head is chopped off. - "no...arw nooo....no, nor, no...awrhh no...."

Fight Club- again, Fincher, and this time Norton. Pitt's machismo would have been better off in a video game, and no i'm not exaggerating.

IWV-are you high?

Snatch-not bad, but not great.
Legends of the Fall-ditto.

Never seen 7 YinT, but i guess i'll have to rent along w/ Babel, BB, and AJJ

AS for Dicaprio, he's far and away more talented than Pitt,and as i said before, pitt's NOT the worst actor out there, but i'd be embarrassed to refer to him as "character actor". Go see Daniel Day Lewis in GONY-if dicaprio and lewis were on a scavenger hunt looking for buried treasure, dicaprio wouldnt have even found himself.

Dicaprio is more of a leading man/method actor. He wins as a leading man, not so as a method actor.

Pitt is fine as a leading man, but his method acting is pretty base.

[Ace of Knaves]

See, in Se7en that is what his character was SUPPOSED to be like. He was the new hot shot on the beat, at first not getting along with the "old skool" Det Somerset. The whole film is sorta a lesson for him. Somerset is always telling him to not become emotionally involved in the case, but Mills just can't do it. He's too gung ho, too aggressive. In the end, that's why Doe targets him. Pitt pulled that off superbly IMO. The very final scene is one of my favourites in any movie. Mills is right on the edge, the case has got too personal for him, he snaps and probably ends up in a mental institution.
Same with Fight Club. He is supposed to be all machismo. He is what Norton's character really wants to be like, what Nortons character has bottled up inside him. He also portrays that excellently as well.

[RockyBatboa]

It seems that some people let all the fame and their looks or whatever get in the way of making fair judgements on their abilities. The same thing happens with Jolie to an extent.


I think you're missing my points, and boggling it into a misperception.

The fact is, looking past their outer beauty is exactly what i'm doing. I'm searching for the succus underneath the watery surface.

And i never said i thouht Jolie was either great or terrible, just VERY appropriate for the role of Catwoman. Face it , we're not talking about an incredibly unique character there.

[RockyBatboa]

See, in Se7en that is what his character was SUPPOSED to be like. He was the new hot shot on the beat, at first not getting along with the "old skool" Det Somerset. The whole film is sorta a lesson for him. Somerset is always telling him to not become emotionally involved in the case, but Mills just can't do it. He's too gung ho, too aggressive. In the end, that's why Doe targets him. Pitt pulled that off superbly IMO. The very final scene is one of my favourites in any movie. Mills is right on the edge, the case has got too personal for him, he snaps and probably ends up in a mental institution.
Same with Fight Club. He is supposed to be all machismo. He is what Norton's character really wants to be like, what Nortons character has bottled up inside him. He also portrays that excellently as well.

Is this an exercise in patronizing or something? You dont think i understood this all already?:whatever:

We're we discussing story or character-acting?

I can separate the role from the story and the actor from the role. The job of the actor is to be in complete synchronization w/ the role. If you're arguing Pitt found success in this manner in the movie Seven, you're fine to your opinioin. If i can not convince you otherwise, so be it.

I'll just rewatch 12 Monkeys, and enjoy a successful Pitt performance.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not saying you do, just saying what I feel a lot, a lot of people do.

The character of Selina Kyle/Catwoman is pretty unique. It isn't just some throwaway action heroine role, not at all. Catwoman is one of the biggest fictional female icons ever, whoever get's the gig needs to realize that and be inspired to put 100% effort in. Not just treat it as a brainless action role like the bird out of the Resident Evil movies or Lara Croft. That's why I think Jolie could do it, if she is given a role she can really sink her teeth into most of the time she excels. She has probably been doing this fluff roles in the last few years because she was spending time with her family. But as she showed in The Changeling, she is ready to come back and do roles that she can fully immerse herself into.

[Ace of Knaves]

Is this an exercise in patronizing or something? You dont think i understood this all already?:whatever:

We're we discussing story or or character-acting?

I can separate the role from the story and the actor from the role. The job of the actor is to be in complete synchronization w/ the role. If you're arguing Pitt found success in this manner in the movie Seven. If i can not convince you of this, so be it.

I'll just rewatch 12 Monkeys, and enjoy a successful Pitt performance.

No I wasn't being patronizing. You were complaining that he acting in that was all "machismo" I was saying that's exactly what he was supposed to be like. I thought he was believable in both se7en and fight club, you obviously don't, fair enough. But you are in a minority there.

[RockyBatboa]

The character of Selina Kyle/Catwoman is pretty unique.

Catwoman is one of the biggest fictional female icons ever



You're second point would be correct, not so with your first point. Catwoman may have been unique 40-50 years ago, but she's anything but now.

Not saying the character lacks any merit, though.

[RockyBatboa]

No I wasn't being patronizing. You were complaining that he acting in that was all "machismo" I was saying that's exactly what he was supposed to be like. I thought he was believable in both se7en and fight club, you obviously don't, fair enough. But you are in a minority there.

I think you miss the intent of my opinions concerning Pitt. I wasnt complaing. I dont take him too seriously as an actor. And i dont think he takes his craft that seriously.

If i am in a minority here, so be it.

[Cunning Stunts]

Pitt is fine as a leading man, but his method acting is pretty base.

Just out of curiosity... Do you know what method acting is?

The way you're using it is kind of telling me that you don't...

[Ace of Knaves]

The character of Selina Kyle/Catwoman is pretty unique.

Catwoman is one of the biggest fictional female icons ever



You're second point would be correct, not so with your first point. Catwoman may have been unique 40-50 years ago, but she's anything but now.

Not saying the character lacks any merit, though.

I would say you are right with the first point. But. The only reason Catwoman has lost some of her uniqueness is because SHE has been copied so many times over the years. Nearly every single heroine character out there has a little bit of Catwoman in them. The powerful woman, the femme fetale, all that was taken from Catwoman to an extent. Catwoman is the original.

[Melkay]

Excuse me?? LOL

You're the one holding up the shell of an actor named Brad Pitt. Noneffectual, witless, lacking even an ounce of class or dimension. No sense of humor, and brazen. This is a good actor in you estimation?...

Once you realize every single of the words in bold are false, yes, he is a very good actor.

Noneffectual? There's Fight Club to prove you wrong.
Witless? This is one of the wittiest actors out there, and Burn After Reading, Snatch and Twelve Monkeys are proof of that.
No sense of humor? And what are Snatch or Burn After Reading or his Friends episode?
Lacking class? There's Meet Joe Black, Benjamin Button, Seven Years In Tibet, Spy Game, Fight Club...
Lacking dimension??????? Since you haven't seen either Babel or The Assasination Of Jesse James, you don't have the right to talk to the adults. Better use this oportunity to stay quiet and spare the embarassment.


btw, all the things pitt lacks, Beckinsale has some measure of.

You're either or crazy or thinking with your penis :whatever:

AS for the Aviator, would it make you feel better if i had seen it?

YOU HAVEN'T?????

If you haven't seen it, once you get to the bottles of piss scene you'll regret your words. If you haven't seen it and still are arguing, you're probably one of the most clueless person I've ever read here, and it's a big league.

Again with Kate, she's one of the top votes on this poll.

Which talks really poorly of this place and the state of fanboyhood in general. But since you're part of the problem, I don't know why I'm talking to you... :whatever:

[RockyBatboa]

]... Do you know what method acting is?

The way you're using it is kind of telling me that you don't...

[/QUOTE]

Right, because i'm no fan of pitt, i dont know what method acting is..:whatever:

[RockyBatboa]

[quote=Melkay;16294219]Once you realize every single of the words in bold are false, yes, he is a very good actor.



I havent realized those words are false, so i guess that's why i'm no fan of Pitt-but, take care for now. I'm trying to force myself to sit through AJJ...

WE will talk later about you medical problems and obsession with all things Pitt, i promise. For now, let the adult have his take, okay?:word:

[RockyBatboa]

I would say you are right with the first point. But. The only reason Catwoman has lost some of her uniqueness is because SHE has been copied so many times over the years. Nearly every single heroine character out there has a little bit of Catwoman in them. The powerful woman, the femme fetale, all that was taken from Catwoman to an extent. Catwoman is the original.


You got me there. I stand corrected.

[Melkay]

I havent realized those words are false, so i guess that's why i'm no fan of Pitt-but, take care for now. I'm trying to force myself to sit through AJJ...

WE will talk later about you medical problems and obsession with all things Pitt, i promise.

Mind you, I'm not the one who's obssesed with him, since I'm not who says he's a bad actor without having seen most of his important filmography.

[Laderlappen]

RockyBatboa, are you talking down both Pitts and DiCaprios acting talent without having seen their best work? Are you saying 'they lost it' without seeing all their new stuff that happens to prove they are both in their prime of their career? And like Kate Beckinsale more? And with all this, you clame looks is not a factor in your opinion?

Seriously though, you're saying Pitt is good and you did that without seeing his best work!

[Two-Face]

Brad Pitt is an very good actor, go watch Se7en, Fight Club, Babel, Snatch, Ocean's 11 and Burn After Reading are few to name. I'm not even fan of Pitt but I can notice a good actor.

[Cunning Stunts]

Right, because i'm no fan of pitt, i dont know what method acting is..:whatever:

That's not at all what I'm saying. I meant exactly what I said, the way you're using the term METHOD ACTING, is what's making me think that you don't know what it is.

[Danielson]

What is with all the Jolie hate? Have you guys seen Changeling or is there some preconcieved hatred towards biggers stars and mancrushes on "artsy" guys? Jolie is a good actress, I'd rather see Hillary Swank (two time academy award WINNER) do Catwoman though, and I wouldn't not like to see Depp as the Riddler at all.

[cerealkiller182]

Excuse me?? LOL

You're the one holding up the shell of an actor named Brad Pitt. Noneffectual, witless, lacking even an ounce of class or dimension. No sense of humor, and brazen. This is a good actor in you estimation?...

What? Pitt is very witty and has a great sense of humor


btw, all the things pitt lacks, Beckinsale has some measure of.

Proven by what? I'll give you Snow Angels and thats it. Everything else she has been completely underwhelming.

[hatebox]

Seven-this is a joke, right? All his wincing, machismo does not a good performance make, correct. Freeman was superb, find fincher directing. pitt couldnt even make the audience care after his wife's head is chopped off. - "no...arw nooo....no, nor, no...awrhh no...."
.


Pitt was excellent in Seven - I think you're confusing the fact that his character was meant to be a dick with bad acting. It's actually a very well realized performance. I don't even rate Pitt highly most of time. But you've ranted enough to prove no-one will convince you...

[[A]]

Pitt was ok, yeah, but his lack of acting skills made the end a bit of a joke.

[batboy99]

Either Angelina Jolie or Kate Beckinsale preferrably.

I know Jolie is an overused choice, but i cant think of a better choice that would meet all three objectives for the character: acting chops/style to potray her, stunningly beatiful , and popular enough to bring butts into theater seats hardcore.

Beckinsales a second choice b/c her and bale work well togeather, and also can be agressively sexy , hell she built her career on it-underworld, van helsing.

I can also see Charlize theron, bt rather have her for ivy.

btw, can i ask your advice on something.I agree on Angie. I lvoe her.

And yea,h ask away.

[flickchick85]

Beckinsale was GOOD in Snow Angels, imo. Nothing spectacular, and let's face it, that was Sam Rockwell's movie.

For the record, though, I'd only put Brad Pitt on her level too, maybe a little higher because he has a bit more natural charisma which makes him more interesting to watch.

[Ace of Knaves]

You would put Pitt on Beckinsale's level? Hmmm too many Brad Pitt doubters in here. He is one of the best actors out their today IMO.

[Crook]

For the record, though, I'd only put Brad Pitt on her level too, maybe a little higher because he has a bit more natural charisma which makes him more interesting to watch.
...:(

[batboy99]

What? Pitt is a good actor :(

[I Am The Knight]

Pitt was ok, yeah, but his lack of acting skills made the end a bit of a joke.

I wouldn't go that far, but he was a bit weak in that part, yeah.

But anyway, I do think he has grown into one hell of an actor.

[batboy99]

I really liked him in Benjamin Button

[The Major]

You would put Pitt on Beckinsale's level? Hmmm too many Brad Pitt doubters in here. He is one of the best actors out their today IMO.
Agreed.

[cerealkiller182]

You would put Pitt on Beckinsale's level? Hmmm too many Brad Pitt doubters in here. He is one of the best actors out their today IMO.

While I get what you are saying, I think the last page and a half of posts proves that there are plenty fo people with a realistic ranking of Pitt, and thats only scratching the surface.

Frankly, I think theres far more people who raise up Beckinsale to levels she cant live up to.

[Alex Logan]

Nothing personal pereived, by me atleast. You just couldnt be more lame though by suggesting i'd somehow ruin what Nolan started if i put Joker, Black Mask and Catwoman into the next movie. Since i didnt elaborate on story ideas (which i do have a few goodf'n ones) in the post, i must assume you just had problems w/ those 3 villians. Your loss.

As for the Laurel Canyone argument, i think you guys are really stretching a thin issue there. As already pointed out they weren't supposed to have sexual chemistry, quite the opposite.

It's not the characters, it's the actors you picked to play them.

[Goodfellas]

What is with all the Jolie hate? Have you guys seen Changeling or is there some preconcieved hatred towards biggers stars and mancrushes on "artsy" guys? Jolie is a good actress, I'd rather see Hillary Swank (two time academy award WINNER) do Catwoman though, and I wouldn't not like to see Depp as the Riddler at all.

I agree about Jolie i think people tend to hate her and discredit her talent just because shes on the cover of magazines every week and shes really hot

but Hillary Swank?No offense if anything i feel shes overated not too mention i really dont want to see her in a skin tight suite i find her not attracting at all and manly looking

shed look more like Catman than Catwoman if you ask me

[kid dropper]

Dude, Hilary Swanks got a bit man jaw, but she is in possession of one of the most wondrous bodies in Hollywood. Google swank swimsuit. She doesnt naturally look like she did in Million Dollar Baby or Boys Dont Cry. She is all woman. its, funny the upcoming episode of the office will have a b plot centering on an office-wide debate on Swank's hotness. just one of those things i guess.

[Crook]

Her face is the problem.

[Vile]

Eva Green for Catwoman!

[I Am The Knight]

Her face is the problem.

Small problem, huh? :hehe:

[Laderlappen]

I dont like Swank that much. Her performance in Boys Dont Cry is extremely good but her performance in Million Dollar Baby is overrated. Its good, not great. Everything else she has done is pretty crappy. Honestly, Im mostly pist of her 2nd oscar win.

[flickchick85]

You would put Pitt on Beckinsale's level? Hmmm too many Brad Pitt doubters in here. He is one of the best actors out their today IMO.
Well, like I said, I put Pitt just a little higher than Beckinsale. The charisma factor counts a lot, imo. The other thing that makes him seem better is that he has better taste in projects. As far as his performances go I've seen him give a truly great one once (12 Monkeys), I've seen him be very good a few times (Babel, Fight Club, Burn After Reading, maybe Benjamin Button), I've found him to be adequate/mediocre several times (Se7en -I loved that movie, but he in particular was nothing special in it- The Mexican, Seven Years in Tibet, Meet Joe Black, Legends of the Fall, Thelma & Louise, The Oceans movies, Mr. & Mrs. Smith) and I've thought he was kind of terrible a couple of times, too (Troy, The Devils Own, possibly Interview with a Vampire). The great and terrible sorta even each other out for me, so I don't think he's one of the best out there...unless I was doing a top 20+ list or something. I probably wouldn't put Beckinsale on any list though, good or bad, so I'll give him that much over her.

But when it comes to straight skill and nothing else (that is, not counting charisma or taste/quality of projects), just the ability to convey the emotions they are trying to convey, I would say he and Beckinsale are probably closer than people are making them out to be. As I said, though, those other 2 factors count big time in my book, which is what puts Pitt above her for me.

ETA:
I dont like Swank that much. Her performance in Boys Dont Cry is extremely good but her performance in Million Dollar Baby is overrated. Its good, not great. Everything else she has done is pretty crappy. Honestly, Im mostly pist of her 2nd oscar win.
I totally agree there. I thought her Oscar for BDC was very well deserved, but the praise she and Million Dollar Baby got were mind-blowing to me. Winslet totally deserved the Oscar that year, imo. And Swank can't do "fun" at all, if P.S. I Love You was any indication.

[Majik1387]

Well, like I said, I put Pitt just a little higher than Beckinsale. The charisma factor counts a lot, imo. The other thing that makes him seem better is that he has better taste in projects. As far as his performances go I've seen him give a truly great one once (12 Monkeys), I've seen him be very good a few times (Babel, Fight Club, Burn After Reading, maybe Benjamin Button), I've found him to be adequate/mediocre several times (Se7en -I loved that movie, but he in particular was nothing special in it- The Mexican, Seven Years in Tibet, Meet Joe Black, Legends of the Fall, Thelma & Louise, The Oceans movies, Mr. & Mrs. Smith) and I've thought he was kind of terrible a couple of times, too (Troy, The Devils Own, possibly Interview with a Vampire). The great and terrible sorta even each other out for me, so I don't think he's one of the best out there...unless I was doing a top 20+ list or something. I probably wouldn't put Beckinsale on any list though, good or bad, so I'll give him that much over her.

But when it comes to straight skill and nothing else (that is, not counting charisma or taste/quality of projects), just the ability to convey the emotions they are trying to convey, I would say he and Beckinsale are probably closer than people are making them out to be. As I said, though, those other 2 factors count big time in my book, which is what puts Pitt above her for me.
:wow::csad:
ETA:

I totally agree there. I thought her Oscar for BDC was very well deserved, but the praise she and Million Dollar Baby got were mind-blowing to me. Winslet totally deserved the Oscar that year, imo. And Swank can't do "fun" at all, if P.S. I Love You was any indication.
You never seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the Karate Kid movie with her?:oldrazz:

[flickchick85]

Haha, I said "possibly" because it's been years since I've seen Interview with a Vampire, but I remember hating all of the acting in it except, if you can believe of all people, Kirsten Dunst. Wow, so sad to have peaked so young. But I'm willing to concede that Pitt may not have been as bad as I remember on that one.

Also, it's been brought to my attention by Melkay (absent but not forgotten!) that I totally forgot about The Assassination of Jesse James, which is strange because it was one of my absolute faves of 2007, and I thought it was one of Pitt's best performances. I'd put it right in between the "very good" and "great" roles. Ah, screw it, just put it in the "great" category. I still stand by everything else I said, though.

And I can proudly say that I've never seen either of those two fun Swank pictures. ;)

[Majik1387]

You should, they're good fun. :yay:

[flickchick85]

Well, I do seriously want to see Buffy, for other reasons (the obvious being I was fan of the show). *adds it to Netflix queue* Ok, nothing to see here people...what's the topic of this thread again? Oh yes, Catwoman. Boo to Swank for that.

[Ledlunar]

as for looks Shannyn Sossamon is the best choice based on looks, she's amazing looking..

have only seen 3 movies of hers though, Knights Tale, Rules Of Attraction & Wrist Cutters... she did the job in all those movies but Im sure the people on the boards are looking for someone who's got an award under her belt.....

[Majik1387]

Shannyn Sossamon is a terrible actress and she's skinnier than a twig, and the movies you listed have proven that.


As for Swank, she can be sexy despite what the naysayers say.:o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Swank-Desktop2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg

[Ledlunar]

Well a knights tale was a comedy, they said they were all drunk on set and it was her first role ever... she was good in the other 2 films at the serious moments... though anything adapted from Brett Easton Ellis has quite a bit of dark humour to it aswell.... actually its pretty much what drives it.... But wrist cutters was great Tom Waits is the man,, I thought the that movie was pretty flawless for what it was... I was extremely high when I watched it though, maybe I'll watch it again and watch for this bad acting

anyway she has the look to me, acting aside

[kid dropper]

Shannyn Sossamon is a terrible actress and she's skinnier than a twig, and the movies you listed have proven that.


As for Swank, she can be sexy despite what the naysayers say.:o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/s20_jpg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Swank-Desktop2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg


yeh others can say what they will, but i would massacre a small village to have sex with hilary swank
but i really dont think she ought to be catwoman. i dont think sophisiticated, worldly vixen. More like spunky, midwestern tomboy, which is sexy in its own right.

[RakuMon]

Well a knights tale was a comedy, they said they were all drunk on set and it was her first role ever... she was good in the other 2 films at the serious moments... though anything adapted from Brett Easton Ellis has quite a bit of dark humour to it aswell.... actually its pretty much what drives it.... But wrist cutters was great Tom Waits is the man,, I thought the that movie was pretty flawless for what it was... I was extremely high when I watched it though, maybe I'll watch it again and watch for this bad acting

anyway she has the look to me, acting aside

I vote for Shannyn Sossamon too. She's been one of my favorites for Catwoman for a long time. She was great in Rules of Attraction and Wristcutters, and coincidentally, she has a connection to Heath (being that they've done several movies together), and Bale (Rules of Attraction is based on a Brett Ellis Easton novel about Patrick Bateman's brother). A stretch, I know. I still think she'd be a great Catwoman.

[Mercurius]

Marion Cotillard. Marion Cotillard. Marion Cotillard (in a mesmerizing tone).

[[A]]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/s20_jpg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Swank-Desktop2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/hilary_swank_esq_6.jpg
Nice selection of pics :woot: :up:

[Blackman]

Hilary Swank is attractive but everytime I see her I think Boys Dont Cry...and the brutal rape scene

[Ace of Knaves]

She is nice, but her jaw is a bit too, I dunno, BIG!!!

[I Am The Knight]

Man Jaw or something.

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe:

[Jay#1]

I like Penelope Cruz for Catwoman

[Ace of Knaves]

But she has abnormally hairy hands!

[Jay#1]

Does she really?

[[A]]

shh Ace, but Jay#1 is the latest addition to the troll list :hehe:

[kid dropper]

thats kind of a thing with latin women, some of them even the hottest ones tend to be a bit hirsute (hairy arms, hands). you take the good with the bad though.

[Jay#1]

I'm not a troll

[I Am The Knight]

I'm not a hero.

[Goodfellas]

For some reason when i see Ellen Pompeo i think Catwoman...You know Greys Anatomy

Penolpe Cruz would be a sweet Catwoman but i think it would be just because id just like to see her in a skin tight suit lol

[Jay#1]

For some reason when i see Ellen Pompeo i think Catwoman...You know Greys Anatomy

Penolpe Cruz would be a sweet Catwoman but i think it would be just because id just like to see her in a skin tight suit lol

Thank you!!

[Goodfellas]

I dont like Swank that much. Her performance in Boys Dont Cry is extremely good but her performance in Million Dollar Baby is overrated. Its good, not great. Everything else she has done is pretty crappy. Honestly, Im mostly pist of her 2nd oscar win.


I agre Hillary Swank was alright Million Dollar Baby... i cant remember who else was in the running but i remember thinking she didnt deserve it

And like you said shes won two oscars yet those are the only 2 good movies shes been in

[Ace of Knaves]

I was only joking about the hairy hands fellas!! :hehe: All you new people will soon realize that from time to time, I spout some absolute tripe. :D

[I Am The Knight]

You want someone with freaky hands, check out Megan Gale.

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe:

[Two-Face]

Penolpe Cruz would be a sweet Catwoman but i think it would be just because id just like to see her in a skin tight suit lol

Only problem is her accent my friend and her acting is meh.

[Jay#1]

Only problem is her accent my friend and her acting is meh.

The accent could bring a new touch to the character though. And her acting is far better than the likes of Beckinsale and others.

[Majik1387]

Belluci is too old for Catwoman, and a big hell no to Pompeo.:down

[Jay#1]

lmao. i'm telling you, the ideal catwoman is penelope cruz.

[Majik1387]

Nah, Cruz is the ideal WW but not Catwoman

[Jay#1]

who is talking about belluci

[Laderlappen]

Pompeo is one of the weakest actors on Grey's. SHe doesnt have the look either.

[Majik1387]

who is talking about belluci
Edited. I find the actress very similar they sometimes confuse me, but retain my view on Cruz.

[Mercurius]

Bellucci and Cruz don't look alike at all.

[Majik1387]

Both are tan, dark haired, dark eyed, full lipped, exotically beautiful women with the same kind of presence in film to me.

[[A]]

They both suck in american productions too

[Majik1387]

lol Belluci was decent in Shoot 'Em Up and that Matrix sequel

[saska83]

Rachel Weisz is fantastic actress and I hope she'll get this role...

What you think about Natalie Portman? She could be very good for the role.

[batboy99]

Shes a good actress, but she still looks like shes 16. Shes one of those people that will look very young for their age for a long time.

[RachelDawes]

Shes a good actress, but she still looks like shes 16. Shes one of those people that will look very young for their age for a long time.

Yep. She's also really short. Catwoman ideally should have some height on her.

[[A]]

They should invent something to make people taller.. and call it heels

[Crook]

Eh, height is of no importance, imo. Unless I'm missing something, size doesn't play much of a role in how she's portrayed. If anything though, small and slinky would actually suit Selina better than tall and robust.

But I'd be fine with either. So as long as she looks convincingly athletic.

[saska83]

I don't think that height can be a problem... Natalie could be good as Catwoman, she needs only make-up artist, different haircut, training etc etc.

Maybe you read Heart of Hush... in certain scenes there are some resembles with Natalie.

[batboy99]

Its got nothing to dowith makeup, she just naturally looks young.

[batboy99]

Ok, im going to throw this name out there.

Billie Piper. If you dont know her, she is an english actress who was on Doctor Who and is on Secret Diary of a Call Girl.
I personally think she is very hot and Im a fan of her acting.
My only flaw with her is that she does have a bit of a wider mouth/jaw.

Im not sure about her just yet, but I could see her as either Catwoman or Ivy(depends how they make her look)

[saska83]

Make-up artist can do miracles, believe me...

[batboy99]

Unless they CGI her face, amkeup isnt gonig to make her looks go from looking 16 to 30.

[saska83]

Billie Piper? Hm... Maybe as Green Canary, but as Catwoman... she is not too convincing.

[batboy99]

Green Canary? :p

And what do you mean by not too convinicing? And looknig at some mroe of her pics, I think im really starting to like her for Poison Ivy. Shes got this look that just says Ivy to me, i cant really point out what, but theres something.

[Majik1387]

Green Canary?

[cerealkiller182]

Green Canary? :p

And what do you mean by not too convinicing? And looknig at some mroe of her pics, I think im really starting to like her for Poison Ivy. Shes got this look that just says Ivy to me, i cant really point out what, but theres something.

Really? I think her look says Harley Quinn. Shes got that naturally wide smile and seems like she has a frisky(-ish) charisma

[batboy99]

I dunno, i find her too hot for Harley. She jsut doesnt have that innocent enough look to her(thank Call Girl for that). I picture Harley being alot more cute. Like Bell, Deschanel etc.

Especially here is where I see Ivy
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-2.jpg
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-8.jpg
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-16.jpg

[[A]]

Yeah, Billie Piper definitely ≠ cute

[batboy99]

I say hot, but thats just me.

[saska83]

It's all a question of tastes... what about Charlize Theron?

[cerealkiller182]

I dunno, i find her too hot for Harley. She jsut doesnt have that innocent enough look to her(thank Call Girl for that). I picture Harley being alot more cute. Like Bell, Deschanel etc.

Especially here is where I see Ivy
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-2.jpg
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-8.jpg
http://billiepiperfan.com/gallery/albums/shoot%2029/callgirl-16.jpg

I dont think Harley is considered innocent, and I certainly consider billie more cute than hot.

[batboy99]

Oh no im not talknig about how she IS, but shes always had that innocent look to her, but little do people know, she really isnt. I think thats one of the reasons why people probably wouldnt take her seriously but she shows them twice...

[[A]]

I say hot, but thats just me.
I like her too, but I agree about the cuteness. She looks too tough to be silly-cutie-Harley-like

[batboy99]

Agreed. But I think she would suit Ivy best. If you have ever seen SDOACC, you know she can definetly be sexy,seductive etc. And with the right makeup, I think she would look the part too.

[[A]]

..hmm let me try to guess what SDOACC is :funny: Give me a couple hours

[batboy99]

Secret Diary of a Call Girl. She plays an ''upper class'' prostitute.

[[A]]

^ Thanks. I'll check it out

[batboy99]

Its pretty good. No nudity on Billie's part though :(

[cerealkiller182]

I like her too, but I agree about the cuteness. She looks too tough to be silly-cutie-Harley-like

Looks? Maybe. BUt the way she handles herself has always been really quirky and witty at least the few episodes of Call Girl and Dr Who that I have seen.

[The Major]

Katee Sackhoff is my favorite for Harley. Piper was good in Doctor Who, but she didn't convince me enough for this role. Haven't seen SDOACG yet.

[[A]]

Looks? Maybe. BUt the way she handles herself has always been really quirky and witty at least the few episodes of Call Girl and Dr Who that I have seen...that's where *I* lose, because I never saw her in action :o

[batboy99]

Well, I havent watched the whole series, so I dont know about that. But I think she acts certain ways to fit the likes of her customers.

Either way,shes an actress, she can do something besides being witty and quirky.

As for DW, they all act like that. Lets suggest Catherine Tate then?

[cerealkiller182]

Either way,shes an actress, she can do something besides being witty and quirky.

Never said she couldnt. But she seems naturally witty and quirky and would complement the role much more than others. I dont like the implication that Im trying to pideonhole her when you took her sexy look and role and say "Ivy"

[batboy99]

Well, thats your opinion and its fine by me. I just find her sexy and prefer her for Ivy. I just dont see her as Harley. She just doesnt have the ''Harley'' factor like Kristen Bell or Zooey Deschanel to me.

[InvisibleWoman]

For some reason when i see Ellen Pompeo i think Catwoman...You know Greys Anatomy

Penolpe Cruz would be a sweet Catwoman but i think it would be just because id just like to see her in a skin tight suit lol

Ellen Pompeo is someone who crossed my mind AGES ago. I still think she would be good and she is quite an underrated actress...! She can look stunning, they just make her look particularly dowdy on Grey's Anatomy...there's a famous story about how Jake Gyllenhaal approached her in the street (before she was a known actress) just to tell her how beautiful he thought she was, six weeks later, they were working together on Moonlight Mile.

Anyway, doubt she would ever be considered by anyone else!

http://e-pompeo.org/gallery/albums/userpics/007%7E38.jpg

[[A]]

^ yuck.

[batboy99]

I think Pompeo is pretty. Im not huge on her acting though.

[Hobodeluxe]

Its pretty good. No nudity on Billie's part though :(

yes there is.

[saska83]

Ellen Pompeo? I say... it's horrible.

[saska83]

I think Pompeo is pretty. Im not huge on her acting though.
That's the point - "beautiful", but no knowledge in acting.

[[A]]

further proof that Grey's Anatomy is a show made by women for women: all women are fugly

[batboy99]

yes there is.
there was? Oh, didnt see it.

Anyways, Billie Piper for Poison ivy! (Working on a manip right now)

[saska83]

Take a look on this link: http://community.livejournal.com/batmanxcatwoman/5981.html#cutid1

[Jay#1]

Take a look on this link: http://community.livejournal.com/batmanxcatwoman/5981.html#cutid1


they look good together. she would be great as catwoman.

[batboy99]

Cute, I like that.

[Jay#1]

further proof that Grey's Anatomy is a show made by women for women: all women are fugly

do you mean all women from grey's anatomy? Cuz Katherine Heighl is very pretty.

[batboy99]

Shes the only one who can kind of act.

[saska83]

Katherine Heigl is nice, but she is too big. I don't see her as Catwoman.

[Jay#1]

Katherine Heigl is nice, but she is too big. I don't see her as Catwoman.

Yea, I'm not saying she should be. I WANT Penelope Cruz!!!!!

[batboy99]

Katherine Heigl is nice, but she is too big. I don't see her as Catwoman.
:huh:We werent even suggesting her...

[Alex Logan]

Take a look on this link: http://community.livejournal.com/batmanxcatwoman/5981.html#cutid1

Nice! :cwink:

Yea, I'm not saying she should be. I WANT Penelope Cruz!!!!!

You must be joking.

[Jay#1]

I'm not joking dude

[Alex Logan]

I'm not joking dude

:facepalm

[MILPERSMAN]

Nelly furtado. She is a actress now! She was in max payne. I prefer her over anyone in looks. In acting, I dont have a clue on who I want to play as catwoman. If only she had more experience, and was good. DAMNET!!

[saska83]

Nelly Furtado was guest in several shows such as: Roswell, CSI New York etc. She is not bad, but she needs more improvement... apropos Catwoman, I don't see her in that role.

[Two-Face]

Nelly furtado. She is a actress now! She was in max payne. I prefer her over anyone in looks. In acting, I dont have a clue on who I want to play as catwoman. If only she had more experience, and was good. DAMNET!!

funny:


Great joke.

[[A]]

Not as good as the Jolie one.

[Two-Face]

Not as good as the Jolie one.

Least Jolie can act.

[Adrian89]

Nelly furtado. She is a actress now! She was in max payne. I prefer her over anyone in looks. In acting, I dont have a clue on who I want to play as catwoman. If only she had more experience, and was good. DAMNET!!

:facepalm

[[A]]

Least Jolie can act.
Your jokes are better.

[Adrian89]

No Jolie (hot, but no..), NO Beckinsale and definetly NO Furtado!!!

At the right time, they will make the right choice and hopefully that won't be any of those. ^^

[Two-Face]

Your jokes are better.

Whatever man.:whatever:

[Adrian89]

lol! :D:D

[batboy99]

Seriously? Nelly Furtado? I LOVE HER! Shes my Portuguese babe! But her acting is, well... not good. She was pretty good on that one episode of CSI(where she played a jewel theif, like Catwoman) but in Max Payne, her scene was unneccesairy and she wasnt very good.

[Blackman]

Just throwing out a random person....What about Emily Deschanel

[Laderlappen]

I rather have Zooey.

[I Am The Knight]

Nelly Furtado? What bollocks.

[Ace of Knaves]

Who mentioned Nelly Furtado? They deserve a clip round the ear. :hehe:

[I Am The Knight]

She would probably want to do the soundtrack to the film if she were cast :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

*Vader voice*

NNNnnnnnOOOOOOOO!!!!

[flickchick85]

I can't see either of the Deschanel sisters in this role at all.

Zooey could be Harley, though.

[saska83]

What do you think of Tricia Helfer?

[flickchick85]

Tricia Helfer's awesome, but she seems a bit too reserved for a role like this. Plus, she's a TV actress who would need to build her resume up before being considered a top choice for such a coveted role, imo.

[Laderlappen]

What do you think of Tricia Helfer?Explain please!

[Jay#1]

Penelope Cruz guys. Her hair does it all for me!

[Laderlappen]

Penelope Cruz guys. Her hair does it all for me!Since you seems to be a fan...you know she gonna win an oscar in about a month?

[[A]]

^ it's pretty ridiculous to me that she got a nomination for Vicky Cristina Barcelona. She's usually a lot better in spanish movies than in american productions..

[Laderlappen]

I think she was great. She completely stole that move and the whole main cast was great(even Scarlett).

[Crook]

^ it's pretty ridiculous to me that she got a nomination for Vicky Cristina Barcelona.
You have like....the complete opposite of good taste. :funny:

[Jay#1]

A well deserved oscar

[The Major]

Tricia Helfer's awesome, but she seems a bit too reserved for a role like this. Plus, she's a TV actress who would need to build her resume up before being considered a top choice for such a coveted role, imo.
Exactly what hasn't Helfer shown in BSG that she can't be Catwoman? What else does she need to add to her resume to prove she can do a role like Selina?

You're underestimating tv actors, IMO. TV standards have risen incredibly over the last two decades.

[saska83]

Exactly what hasn't Helfer shown in BSG that she can't be Catwoman? What else does she need to add to her resume to prove she can do a role like Selina?

You're underestimating tv actors, IMO. TV standards have risen incredibly over the last two decades.

For me the Catwoman's role could be groundbreaking for Helfer.

[Laderlappen]

Exactly what hasn't Helfer shown in BSG that she can't be Catwoman? What else does she need to add to her resume to prove she can do a role like Selina?

You're underestimating tv actors, IMO. TV standards have risen incredibly over the last two decades.Battlestar Galactica isnt exactly Sophie's Choice. It isnt a very difficult and baity character to do. It isnt the same league as the great acting we have seen from Bale, Ledger, Oldman, and other actors in these movies.

Its not a question who can do it. Most actresses that kinda looks like the character can probably do it more or less. But only a great actress can be really great in the role

[Crook]

Battlestar Galactica isnt exactly Sophie's Choice.
None of the Batman films are, either.

[Laderlappen]

No but every major actor in these 2 movies minus Katie has delivered incredible acting performance atlest ones before they made it.

[Crook]

Incredible is stretching it. All of them have given "good" performances.

[flickchick85]

Well, I find the acting on Galactica, particularly the performances of Mary McDonnell and James Callis, to be just as impressive as most of the performances in this Batman series. Neither one is "Sophie's Choice" but they are both classic works of genre entertainment with top-notch performances, so I don't think it's so outrageous to mention them in the same breath when having an acting discussion.

That said, there's no one on BSG I would seriously consider for Catwoman, simply b/c none of them seem right for the part. Helfer's close, but as I said, she seems too reserved to me. I didn't mean to knock TV actors before if that's what it sounded like, but BSG is Helfer's 1st major role - and because of that, it's hard to judge her range. That's what I meant by saying she needs to build up her resume more before being a serious consideration. For the record, I think television can deliver performances just as strong and memorable as movies. I'd put the likes of McDonnell, Callis, Ian McShane or Michael C. Hall up against any of my favorite "film actors" in a heartbeat. An actor is an actor, and there are great roles to be found everywhere.

[[A]]

^ though I've never seen Battlestar Galactica, the acting in tv series improved a lot in the last few years. The good stuff is really good..

[flickchick85]

^ though I've never seen Battlestar Galactica, the acting in tv series improved a lot in the last few years. The good stuff is really good..
Yeah, I did a presentation about that in my Film Theory class a couple of years ago, about how the line between film and television is starting to blur and television is hardly the "lesser medium" anymore, now that filmmakers are really starting to explore the storytelling potential of television - being able to tell a visual story over an extended period of time, with actors able to develop their characters over several seasons. Television is capable of being cinematic literature, and it makes for some truly epic achievements, like The Wire, Deadwood (minus the criminal lack of an ending - stupid HBO regime change.), or heck, even Buffy, that movies can only dream of touching. I got the best marks of my class for that one, too. :cwink:

And yeah, I think BSG is one of those too, so I highly recommend checking it out Aekhyron. As long as you start from the very beginning (the mini-series), it's pretty amazing. And this is coming from someone who hates "space shows" (though I did enjoy Firefly) or anything else the Sci-Fi Channel has to offer.

[[A]]

And yeah, I think BSG is one of those too, so I highly recommend checking it out Aekhyron. As long as you start from the very beginning (the mini-series), it's pretty amazing. And this is coming from someone who hates "space shows" (though I did enjoy Firefly) or anything else the Sci-Fi Channel has to offer.I will, I will--I keep reading how awesome the current/final season is :oldrazz: let's see what can I do. PS are you the flickchick85 who posts in the AICN talkbacks..?

[flickchick85]

Yes. I'm not proud. One particularly infuriating talkback sucked me in, dammit! I'd totally use a different screen name if I could remember one.:brucebat::oldrazz:

[I Am The Knight]

Great. So we have laraz and flickchick.

[Mistress Kizuna]

I personally think Tricia Helfer would make a better Poison Ivy than Catwoman.

[Alex Logan]

I personally think Tricia Helfer would make a better Poison Ivy than Catwoman.

Agreed.

[Majik1387]

I think it'd be best if she wasn't in any Bat-movie.