The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Ace of Knaves]

I still can't really decide who I'd want as Selina/Catwoman. It's gotta be the hardest character to cast apart from Batman and Joker. I think Jolie, Cotillard, Monaghan, Weisz and even Rosario Dawson are all good shouts.

[def28]

Eva Green or Rachel Weisz. I would be sold on either one.

[WeaponXProject]

Eva Green is just a Bond girl. She hasn't shown anything impressive.

[DorkyFresh]

Eva Green is just a Bond girl. She hasn't shown anything impressive.
i thought her performance in Casino Royale was impressive. btw, she's not just any Bond girl....she gave life to a character that is considered by many to be the most important and most interesting Bond girl of the entire series.

[Laderlappen]

It was a nothing character. She was probably better than most Bond girls, but that doesnt say much.

[Crook]

It was a nothing character? :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

I thought Eva Green was great in Casino Royale (whom, I might add, was most definitely not a nothing character... I'm not even a big Bond fan, and it's quite easy to tell that when Bond actually settles down with a girl, it's hardly a "nothing character"). Also, she got a bit of acclaim in The Dreamers. Still have yet to see that movie, but from what I've heard, she's nekked a bit in it (full frontal). :hehe:

She's still my #1 for Catwoman. I seriously believe she has and can do everything I want from the character, most notably I think that she'll have the best chemistry with Christian Bale.

[Laderlappen]

Then almost a nothing character. She didnt really do much in the role.

[Two-Face]

I watching CR now, her character is interesting unlike the some of the Bond girls. She has the great Chemistry with Daniel Craig. I think Green would be great with Bale.

[Two-Face]

Then almost a nothing character. She didnt really do much in the role.

Her character is very important in the movie, She has some dark secret, I wouldn't say "Nothing character"

[Mercurius]

Then almost a nothing character. She didnt really do much in the role.

She's an excellent actress. It doesn't matter how much she had of screen time.

For instance, you can see Pacino is really great in ten seconds of him in any Godfather.

Green was absolutely exact in The Dreamers and was perfect in every second in her Bond role.

[cerealkiller182]

I thought her character was written interesting, but Eva's performance was mostly underwhelming IMO as well as her beauty. I really hate her face.

[Mercurius]

I thought her character was written interesting, but Eva's performance was mostly underwhelming IMO as well as her beauty. I really hate her face.


:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

Man, have you checked your eyes lately?

[cerealkiller182]

:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

Man, have you checked your eyes lately?


Yup, and I cannot believe how many people call her good looking.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think she is all that. She has really nice, alluring eyes and a nice full set of lips. But thats about it. Have you seen her breasts as well!?!?! They are lop sided! Big time lop sided :hehe:

[Two-Face]

Seriously?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/eva_green.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

Then almost a nothing character. She didnt really do much in the role.

So, basically, you have no reasoning, and you just feel like telling others they're wrong?

I thought her character was written interesting, but Eva's performance was mostly underwhelming IMO as well as her beauty.

It was the first I'd seen of her, and personally, I loved it.

I really hate her face.

To each his own, man, but her looks have blown me away from day one... I love her gothic-ish style (although I do admit, I've seen promo shots for her from The Dreamers where she looks like a pretty ugly 12-year old). The promo shots aside, I'd have her children.

[Mercurius]

Yup, and I cannot believe how many people call her good looking.

That's perhaps the most astonishing thing I've read around here. :wow:

I couldn't possibly imagine someone would say that Eva Green wasn't good looking.

That's like the Bizarro World.

Or it means that even perfection may not be enough. :woot::woot:

[Cunning Stunts]

I don't think she is all that. She has really nice, alluring eyes and a nice full set of lips. But thats about it. Have you seen her breasts as well!?!?! They are lop sided! Big time lop sided :hehe:

Ace, watch her nude scenes in The Dreamers. Her rack is AMAZING.

If you don't know how to find it, PM me, and I'll get it to you.

[Ace of Knaves]

Seriously?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/eva_green.jpg

Well she does look amazing there, no doubt.

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quiet you too! or the nude police will come after ya :hehe: (the nude police?)

[I Am The Knight]

I thought her character was written interesting, but Eva's performance was mostly underwhelming IMO as well as her beauty. I really hate her face.

:wow: This is the most....Asinine comment I have read in a while. You find her beauty "underwhelming" :huh: You hate her face? :wow: :huh:

[cerealkiller182]

Wow, you guys have it bad for such an ugly broad

[Ace of Knaves]

You gotta admit though CK, she looks frickin fine in that picture there.

[cerealkiller182]

Seriously?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/eva_green.jpg

Airburshed like all posed pictures. I have yet to see a candid picture where she is actually good looking.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4176/evagreenpicture4wf0.jpghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1508/tn2evagreen2fj9.jpghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1443/evagreenpicture2nd8.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

quiet you too! or the nude police will come after ya :hehe: (the nude police?)

Admit it! You want some!

[Mercurius]

Airburshed like all posed pictures. I have yet to see a candid picture where she is actually good looking.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4176/evagreenpicture4wf0.jpghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1508/tn2evagreen2fj9.jpghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1443/evagreenpicture2nd8.jpg



And she looks great in all of them.

But you may bear in mind she's a real woman, flesh and blood, and not a Barbie doll. :oldrazz:

Real women have good days and bad days.

Her bad days are incredibly good. :cwink:

[Cunning Stunts]

I agree... And she seems the type to not be done up 100% of the time, and that's the kind of beauty I like. She's prettier when not in make-up than most stars like Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Aniston are.

In other news, Ace of Knaves has been converted to an Eva Fan. :)

[cerealkiller182]

And she looks great in all of them.

maybe it is you that needs your eyes checked

But you may bear in mind she's a real woman, flesh and blood, and not a Barbie doll. :oldrazz:

Real women have good days and bad days.

LOL! You think I dont understand that because I find Eva Green ugly? Thats ********! Shes just one woman. I love natural beauty and non-Hollywood looks, but she does absolutely nothing for me in the least

[namtaB]

She's hot and has that psycho chick look in her eyes which IMO are some of the elements for a good catwoman. But I haven't seen anything that's impressed me with regards to her acting. Then again prior to the Joker casting, Ledger never really impressed me either with his acting. So as far as Eva Green is concerned my standing on it is if Nolan trusts her, then I do.

[Laderlappen]

She's an excellent actress. It doesn't matter how much she had of screen time.

For instance, you can see Pacino is really great in ten seconds of him in any Godfather.

Green was absolutely exact in The Dreamers and was perfect in every second in her Bond role.Im not talking about screentime. I mean its not a very dramatic role. It doesnt require any heavy acting like with Marion in La Vie En Rose for example.
So, basically, you have no reasoning, and you just feel like telling others they're wrong?Nope. Just stating my own opinion. Again.

[DorkyFresh]

how anyone could think Eva Green is ugly is beyond me. i seriously doubt any straight man would turn her down if she offered a little somethin' somethin'.

Im not talking about screentime. I mean its not a very dramatic role. It doesnt require any heavy acting like with Marion in La Vie En Rose for example.
Vesper is about as dramatic of a role as you can get for a Bond girl. i, for one, almost shed a tear when she was pooring her heart out for James after he had been tortured. her lips were quivering and her eyes were intense. it wasn't an Oscar worthy performance or anything, but it's certainly one of the more entertaining performances that have come from a female in an action flick, especially lately. isn't that what the ideal Catwoman should provide?

[cerealkiller182]

how anyone could think Eva Green is ugly is beyond me. i seriously doubt any straight man would turn her down if she offered a little somethin' somethin'.

Attractive enough to bed is not the same as attractive enough to publicly state how hot she is.

Vesper is about as dramatic of a role as you can get for a Bond girl. i, for one, almost shed a tear when she was pooring her heart out for James after he had been tortured. her lips were quivering and her eyes were intense. it wasn't an Oscar worthy performance or anything, but it's certainly one of the more entertaining performances that have come from a female in an action flick, especially lately. isn't that what the ideal Catwoman should provide?

You are comparing her to other bond girl and damesel in distress though. Those roles who came before her didn't exactly set the bar that high in the first place. Her lips werent just quivering, her whole body was shivering probably from the shower which Bond immediately turned up if I remember correctly, and her eyes were not intense IMO, they actually looked exhausted like she was about to fall asleep and borderline lifeless.

[wootbaby]

You could not have a black or Asian Bruce Wayne, because Bruce Wayne is inherently WASP, and an aristocrat, borrowing much of his identity from North European literature or myth (The Dark Knight + vampiric overtones). Similarly, James Bond is a British imperialist. Men of his breed used to rule the world. Like Superman or Doctor Who, he is the last of his kind. You couldn't abandon that uncomfortable core of the character and keep him the same.

what a bunch of noise.

are you familiar with batman? ever READ a batman comic. what genius 14 year old brother told you batman has to do with northern european literature or vampires or ninjas or pirates or w/e you are thinking?

batman is based on Zorro who was a HISPANIC noble in California and on the French adventures of The Scarlet Pimpernel. Neither are in "north europe." WASP is an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Both these dudes were NOT PROTESTANT. DO you know why English are Anglo AND saxon? Zorro was not anglo saxon. If anything based on the Moorish occupation of Spain directly before their colonial empire... there's probably some BERBER/North African in Zorro

Selina, however, is slinky and sexual and feline and playful. That doesn't really exclude any particular race or culture of woman. A black woman like Thandie Newton could do it as well as a French woman, in my opinion. It is all about the soul of the character.

bottom line: people are stupid. they're up in arms if you change a small thing about Catwoman like race yet if you make her British and Jew like Rachel Weisz none of the sheep on the board make a peep. The core of the catwoman character is American not european if you know anything about her. It's like Jean Gray or Susan Storm you need an American girl for that part even if she's black yellow green or pink.

catwoman can be black or hispanic it doesn't matter. why? because Selina Kyle is boring. it's a very small and totally inconsequential part because the Catwoman persona is so much larger, more interesting and important. as long as the chick can pull off looking hot in the catsuit and be enticing to batman doesn't matter what her race is. it's no coincidence that catwoman was one of the first characters to "FLIP" in terms of race going back to the 60s. you couldn't really make capt america or wonder woman black or latino because who they are is so much of the character. for a someone like catwoman or green lantern it doesn't really matter since the alter ego is so much more important to who they are. that's why you could have all those different green lantern alter egos without really missing much of a beat... or make him black or alien or w/e it's about the freaking ring now the ancillary little stories about their mundane life.

a black catwoman or asian or w/e would work fine as long as they got teh CATWOMAN part right with the right american girl attitude with teh sexiness. the selina kyle stuff doesn't matter.

[WeaponXProject]

For instance, you can see Pacino is really great in ten seconds of him in any Godfather.


That might be the most rediculous comparison I have ever seen. A mysterious secondary character compared to someone who has won an Oscar and is the big star in one of the best, if not the best, movie ever made.


I'm not saying she is bad but it is rediculous to put her in the upper echelon of actresses like most have for giving a very mysterious, yet unemotional performance for Casino Royale. Her next is Franklyn and that's literally the only other movie I have heard starring in. I would prefer a bigger named, more talented actress for Selina.


But she is damn good looking...

[namtaB]

what a bunch of noise.

are you familiar with batman? ever READ a batman comic. what genius 14 year old brother told you batman has to do with northern european literature or vampires or ninjas or pirates or w/e you are thinking?

batman is based on Zorro who was a HISPANIC noble in California and on the French adventures of The Scarlet Pimpernel. Neither are in "north europe." WASP is an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Both these dudes were NOT PROTESTANT. DO you know why English are Anglo AND saxon? Zorro was not anglo saxon. If anything based on the Moorish occupation of Spain directly before their colonial empire... there's probably some BERBER/North African in Zorro


Well well well. It seems wootbaby v. regwec is going to be good. I'm rooting for wootbaby on this one.

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[DorkyFresh]

Attractive enough to bed is not the same as attractive enough to publicly state how hot she is.
yes...because stating that someone is attractive in public is sooooooo much harder than sleeping with someone who you don't really find attractive. :whatever:

You are comparing her to other bond girl and damesel in distress though. Those roles who came before her didn't exactly set the bar that high in the first place.
which is why she is considered, by most Bond fans, to be the most significant Bond girl yet. sure, she was a damsel in distress, but if you can't see her role past that then you're looking through narrow vision.

Her lips werent just quivering, her whole body was shivering probably from the shower which Bond immediately turned up if I remember correctly
you remember incorrectly, that scene you're referring to took place several scenes before they even got to the torture scene. it sounds like you just made something up to shoot my argument down...cuz her body wasn't shivering.

and her eyes were not intense IMO, they actually looked exhausted like she was about to fall asleep and borderline lifeless.
well, it seems like you didn't know which scene i'm talking about so i'm just gonna assume that you're saying these things in an attempt to cause a ruckus. either that or you're just being an @$5#0L3.

[Mercurius]

That might be the most rediculous comparison I have ever seen. A mysterious secondary character compared to someone who has won an Oscar and is the big star in one of the best, if not the best, movie ever made.


I'm not saying she is bad but it is rediculous to put her in the upper echelon of actresses like most have for giving a very mysterious, yet unemotional performance for Casino Royale. Her next is Franklyn and that's literally the only other movie I have heard starring in. I would prefer a bigger named, more talented actress for Selina.


But she is damn good looking...

My hairy sylvian friend: maybe you aren't familiar with a very old philosophical exercise, which is called reductio ad absurdum.

The drill is: you take your point out of proportion to examine the question in its limits.

So, when I mentioned Pacino, I wasn't saying Miss Green is his female version of genius. No.

I was just making an example that you can be aware of good acting without the need for lots of screen time.

And, BTW, she managed a very delicate scene of losing control in her Vesper role.

ANY person who knows a bit of good acting can easily spot that without the lesser effort.

[cerealkiller182]

yes...because stating that someone is attractive in public is sooooooo much harder than sleeping with someone who you don't really find attractive. :whatever:

:whatever: People try to say this all the time. Someone writes I dont think shes that attractive, and people follow it up like "Don't act like you wouldnt tap that" but its not the same. I dont think Eva Green is notably attractive, there are much better looking people out there. But if she propositioned me, yea, I would probably say yes, no problem.

which is why she is considered, by most Bond fans, to be the most significant Bond girl yet. sure, she was a damsel in distress, but if you can't see her role past that then you're looking through narrow vision.

LOL, yes she is a very significant Bond girl because her character called for more than looking good and bedding Bond and I recognize it as such. But Green is overrated as an actress, and trying to out-do Bond girls by adding substance is not a hard thing to do.

you remember incorrectly, that scene you're referring to took place several scenes before they even got to the torture scene. it sounds like you just made something up to shoot my argument down...cuz her body wasn't shivering.

How can you say that I have the wrong scene, and then say I made something up? You are right I did have the wrong scene, sorry about that, but that doesnt mean I made something up.

well, it seems like you didn't know which scene i'm talking about so i'm just gonna assume that you're saying these things in an attempt to cause a ruckus. either that or you're just being an @$5#0L3.

Well, I did have the wrong scene but I stand by my opinion of that particular scene. And I am neither trying to cause a ruckus or trying to be an *******, just stating my opinion, but of course as usual, someone can't state an opinion without people jumping all over them. Im trying to start a ruckus? pfft. I simply stated Eva Green's not attractive (which is my opinion) and an entire page of posters hurled insults as if I was gay or blind, and you act like I am the one starting trouble.

[Spider-Vader]

Any of the choices BUT Jolie. She is not a good action actress. I think she should stick to dramas. None of her action movies have been good & she sucks in them.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that Jolie sucks in action movies too.

[Laderlappen]

I agree, action roles is what she's worst at.

[DorkyFresh]

:whatever: People try to say this all the time. Someone writes I dont think shes that attractive, and people follow it up like "Don't act like you wouldnt tap that" but its not the same. I dont think Eva Green is notably attractive, there are much better looking people out there. But if she propositioned me, yea, I would probably say yes, no problem.
if you sleep with someone, then you must find them somewhat attractive....unless you're total scum and will just sleep with ANYONE. you might not be willing to ADMIT that they're attractive, but if you can bring yourself to sleep with them then they've obviously met your standard for what is attractive. this tactic might be used a lot, but it's because it's the truest form of testing ones attraction to another.

LOL, yes she is a very significant Bond girl because her character called for more than looking good and bedding Bond and I recognize it as such. But Green is overrated as an actress, and trying to out-do Bond girls by adding substance is not a hard thing to do.
i don't think she's overrated. it's not as if she's super popular. we nerds drool over her, but it's not as if she has reached Angelina or even Alba levels. i will agree that out-doing previous Bond girls isn't very hard, but would you agree that she has set a standard for following Bond girls that most likely won't be topped anytime soon?

How can you say that I have the wrong scene, and then say I made something up? You are right I did have the wrong scene, sorry about that, but that doesnt mean I made something up.
alright, alright....live and let live.

Well, I did have the wrong scene but I stand by my opinion of that particular scene. And I am neither trying to cause a ruckus or trying to be an *******, just stating my opinion, but of course as usual, someone can't state an opinion without people jumping all over them.
of course....this is human nature. i made a post and you jumped on it didn't you? karma is a *****.

I simply stated Eva Green's not attractive and an entire page of posters acted as if I was gay or blind, and you act like I am the one starting trouble.
well...it's easy to assume when you've made posts like this...

I really hate her face.
Wow, you guys have it bad for such an ugly broad

...not exactly simply stating that Eva Green's "unattractive".

[regwec]

what a bunch of noise.
Idiot.

are you familiar with batman?
Idiot.

ever READ a batman comic.
Idiot.

what genius 14 year old brother told you batman has to do with northern european literature or vampires or ninjas or pirates or w/e you are thinking?

a) You can't write.

b) Have you ever taken even a passing glance at the iconography and symbolism of Batman and his world?

c) Bob Kane and Bill Finger.

batman is based on Zorro
Wrong. Zorro is an influence, on the theme of Batman and on Bruce Wayne's design of Batman. Batman is not in general "based" on Zorro. The Shadow, Sherlock Holmes and- yes- Dracula were all influences, as well as Superman and a number of pulp characters,

French adventures of The Scarlet Pimpernel.

Do you know where France is? Did you know that The Scarlett Pimpernel is English? Do you know where England is?

Neither are in "north europe."

Idiot.

WASP is an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Both these dudes were NOT PROTESTANT.

a) The Scarlett Pimpernel was.

b) It's irrelevant anyway, because I used the term "WASP" to describe Bruce Wayne, not the influences upon the Batman persona.

DO you know why English are Anglo AND saxon?

"Anglo-Saxon" is a convenient catch-all to describe the Germanic peoples who occupied the British lowlands between Late Antiquity and the Norman invasion. In the modern era, the term is often used to describe someone of British decent.

Do you think Bruce Wayne is of Spanish origin? Japanese? Arabic?

Zorro was not anglo saxon.

Who on earth said that he was? You appear to be almost illiterate. Bruce Wayne is WASPish, Zorro- a different character entirely having some influence on the second persona of the former- is not. What exactly is the point you are trying to make here?

If anything based on the Moorish occupation of Spain directly before their colonial empire... there's probably some BERBER/North African in Zorro

Irrelevant. Who the hell cares about Zorro's ethnicity? He certainly isn't culurally Muslim, anyway, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering to speculate.

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe: It appears I have missed a bonafide idiot! I want to abuse him! :D

[CaptainClown]

Idiot.


Idiot.


Idiot.



a) You can't write.

b) Have you ever taken even a passing glance at the iconography and symbolism of Batman and his world?

c) Bob Kane and Bill Finger.


Wrong. Zorro is an influence, on the theme of Batman and on Bruce Wayne's design of Batman. Batman is not in general "based" on Zorro. The Shadow, Sherlock Holmes and- yes- Dracula were all influences, as well as Superman and a number of pulp characters,



Do you know where France is? Did you know that The Scarlett Pimpernel is English? Do you know where England is?



Idiot.



a) The Scarlett Pimpernel was.

b) It's irrelevant anyway, because I used the term "WASP" to describe Bruce Wayne, not the influences upon the Batman persona.



"Anglo-Saxon" is a convenient catch-all to describe the Germanic peoples who occupied the British lowlands between Late Antiquity and the Norman invasion. In the modern era, the term is often used to describe someone of British decent.

Do you think Bruce Wayne is of Spanish origin? Japanese? Arabic?



Who on earth said that he was? You appear to be almost illiterate. Bruce Wayne is WASPish, Zorro- a different character entirely having some influence on the second persona of the former- is not. What exactly is the point you are trying to make here?



Irrelevant. Who the hell cares about Zorro's ethnicity? He certainly isn't culurally Muslim, anyway, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering to speculate.
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[Ace of Knaves]

Well well well. It seems wootbaby v. regwec is going to be good. I'm rooting for wootbaby on this one.

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How can you? He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. The Scarlett Pimpernel French?!?! France not being in north Europe?!?! Bruce Wayne not being a imperialist? Nonsense.

[CaptainClown]

My money is on Regwec, also I did get a laugh out of the Scarlett Pimpernel. I mostly had a facepalm concerning the whole WASP segment.

[regwec]

How can you? He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. The Scarlett Pimpernel French?!?! France not being in north Europe?!?! Bruce Wayne not being a imperialist? Nonsense.
namtab is someone who doesn't like me, for reasons that are probably deeply important to him, but that I cannot remember. In any case, moments like these are big events in his life. ;)

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe: Yea I'm behind Regwec on this one too. The part where wootbaby was saying "where did you get the idea that Batman has anything to do with European literature and ninjas" made me facepalm. :facepalm

[Ace of Knaves]

namtab is someone who doesn't like me, for reasons that are probably deeply important to him, but that I cannot remember. In any case, moments like these are big events in his life. ;)

Ahh I see. So he chooses to ignore logic. Muppet.

[WeaponXProject]

My hairy sylvian friend: maybe you aren't familiar with a very old philosophical exercise, which is called reductio ad absurdum.

The drill is: you take your point out of proportion to examine the question in its limits.

So, when I mentioned Pacino, I wasn't saying Miss Green is his female version of genius. No.

I was just making an example that you can be aware of good acting without the need for lots of screen time.

And, BTW, she managed a very delicate scene of losing control in her Vesper role.

ANY person who knows a bit of good acting can easily spot that without the lesser effort.

Oh, Mr. Big Guns. Now that you have rudely over explained your post I will point out that it would have been easier to say "As soon as she crossed the screen, her performance was strong."

I usually don't jump on people but if you would have pointed that out in your original post it would have been easily understood.

Any person who knows any thing of acting would say that though one scene of her showing a little promise, well to you, doesn't mean she is remarkable nor does it mean she is capable of playing Selina Kyle up to par in a Chris Nolan film. And I stress that.

If she was so talented we would hear more of her and she would drowning in movie roles as she is a beautiful young actress.

You don't have to over-analyze it so much. She was okay, like I said, she isn't good but she isn't bad. No critics are crawling and begging for more performances. She's okay.

[WeaponXProject]

I think that Jolie sucks in action movies too.

I think the action movies she has chosen suck outside of Wanted.

[gwynplaine]

Jolie is great but isn't she too old for Catwoman ? Not as good an actress as Jolie, but after seeing her cameo in Max Payne, I wouldn' t mind seeing Olga Kurylienko in a catsuit.

[cerealkiller182]

Jolie is great but isn't she too old for Catwoman ? Not as good an actress as Jolie, but after seeing her cameo in Max Payne, I wouldn' t mind seeing Olga Kurylienko in a catsuit.

Shes younger than Bale

[gwynplaine]

Shes younger than Bale
Oh OK, I guess it could work then.

[Crook]

Jolie is great but isn't she too old for Catwoman ?
33 is too old?

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/angelina-jolie/pictures/angelina-jolie-picture-6.jpg

You must like 'em young! ;)

[I Am The Knight]

Selina.....Selina, Selina, Selina...

[gwynplaine]

33 is too old?

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/angelina-jolie/pictures/angelina-jolie-picture-6.jpg

You must like 'em young! ;)
Good to see you, Crook. Like I said I didn't know she was 33, and I think she's a great actress and therefore she could probably pull off Catwoman.

[Blackman]

i love angelina jolie as an actress but idk I just dont like her as Catwoman

[Crook]

Good to see you, Crook. Like I said I didn't know she was 33, and I think she's a great actress and therefore she could probably pull off Catwoman.
Good to see you too, man. Can't wait till the sequel production starts up, it's getting slow around here.

I just assumed you thought she looked old. I don't really care if the actress is 30 or 50, if she looks the part, and continues to stay that way she's fine.

i love angelina jolie as an actress but as someone stated before shes not good in action only drama roles. Think about it
Tomb Raider= Sucked
Gone in 60 Seconds= Sucked
Tomb Raider 2= Sucked
MR and Mrs Smith= I actually liked it because it made me laugh at some points, not really the action scenes
Wanted= Meh

I say we get someone whos a decent actress but also has a better action background
The films were ok, but the parts themselves weren't Jolie's fault. And whom exactly in the actress population has "good" action backgrounds? It is practically non-existent.

[Blackman]

Good to see you too, man. Can't wait till the sequel production starts up, it's getting slow around here.

I just assumed you thought she looked old. I don't really care if the actress is 30 or 50, if she looks the part, and continues to stay that way she's fine.


The films were ok, but the parts themselves weren't Jolie's fault. And whom exactly in the actress population has "good" action backgrounds? It is practically non-existent.


ya i already edited my comment

[Jay#1]

Jolie is great but isn't she too old for Catwoman ? Not as good an actress as Jolie, but after seeing her cameo in Max Payne, I wouldn' t mind seeing Olga Kurylienko in a catsuit.


Olga huh... you know what... I love that choice!!!

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii233/stlboyleanback/000000164904-olga_kurylenko-full-1.jpg

[Golgo-13]

I like Olga but she's no where near the caliber of the cast in the Bat films. The actress that plays Catwoman shoulod be 'lead' material. I don't think she can carry a film in this way. She was 'o.k' in Hitman and Bond 22 but nothing that any other C/B level actress couldn't pull off.

Back to Jolie:

I just saw Changerling and she was great in it, but man...she really needs to gain weight.

[Crook]

A third of the actresses I've heard suggested need to gain weight. But yeah, Jolie looks unnaturally thin especially since I know how good her body looks with a healthy weight.

[Ethermatic]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Eva Green's role in Kingdom of Heaven yet. Not the theatrical version that the damn studio and/or execs forced Ridley Scott to butcher so that they could advertise the film as something else, but the actual Director's Cut. Few DVDs are worthy of the title and use it merely as another way to sell people a film they already have another version of. Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut makes it seem like a whole other film entirely by adding 45 minutes to the film and provoking most critics who gave the initial film 2 out of 4 stars a promotion to 3 1/2 or 4 out of 4 stars. Comparing the theatrical version to the Director's Cut can make a man angry about how and to what extent a studio can meddle.

Eva Green's role is upgraded from love interest to an actual tragic woman with a forced, unhappy marriage and a child with his own dark fate. As much as I enjoyed seeing her first role in The Dreamers in which she was naked all the time, I base a fair amount of my enjoyment of her as an actress for Selina Kyle/Catwoman on her role in Kingdom of Heaven. Not so much with Casino Royale. Not because it was her lack of talent, since she proved to be the first Bond Girl in years worth caring and wondering about, but because her role in Kingdom was meatier on a dramatic front. Though, what I take from Casino Royale is her playful bantering with Bond in her first scenes with Craig. A great mixture of dialogue, wit and sarcasm.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/711/711469p1.html (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/711/711469p1.html)

Personally, I find her to be a very beautiful woman endowed with a nice, natural chest and a body that would look good in what I'd expect Selina Kyle/Catwoman to wear. A lot of what she wears in Casino Royale could easily be worn by a socialite like Selina Kyle. The picture from a page or two ago being a great example. I never watched her in The Golden Compass only because the film and story itself doesn't interest me.

This is only my opinion, of course. As long as it's respectful, I find no qualms in those that disagree with me. I find her to be a very fresh face amongst actresses that people are used to and some even tired of. I find her to have a great, dark look that I imagine would work well with a Nolan Catwoman, provided he even use the character at all.

[Cunning Stunts]

How can you? He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. The Scarlett Pimpernel French?!?! France not being in north Europe?!?! Bruce Wayne not being a imperialist? Nonsense.

^^^So true. I just left it alone because he virtually took EVERYTHING regwec had brought up out of context, and I don't feel like getting into a quote war. Regwec pwned his ass though, and in a much better fashion than I probably could have hoped to. :up:

[Cunning Stunts]

Olga huh... you know what... I love that choice!!!

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii233/stlboyleanback/000000164904-olga_kurylenko-full-1.jpg

I'm afraid to see Max Payne, but I loved her in Quantum of Solace and thought she did VERY well, especially for having not done jack before. That said, I've only seen her in one role, so I'd be a little scared to throw her into such an epic crime drama. Although, if her work in Quantum of Solace is any indication of her abilities, I'd be all for it. :up:

[Alex Logan]

what a bunch of noise.

are you familiar with batman? ever READ a batman comic. what genius 14 year old brother told you batman has to do with northern european literature or vampires or ninjas or pirates or w/e you are thinking?

batman is based on Zorro who was a HISPANIC noble in California and on the French adventures of The Scarlet Pimpernel. Neither are in "north europe." WASP is an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Both these dudes were NOT PROTESTANT. DO you know why English are Anglo AND saxon? Zorro was not anglo saxon. If anything based on the Moorish occupation of Spain directly before their colonial empire... there's probably some BERBER/North African in Zorro

bottom line: people are stupid. they're up in arms if you change a small thing about Catwoman like race yet if you make her British and Jew like Rachel Weisz none of the sheep on the board make a peep. The core of the catwoman character is American not european if you know anything about her. It's like Jean Gray or Susan Storm you need an American girl for that part even if she's black yellow green or pink.

catwoman can be black or hispanic it doesn't matter. why? because Selina Kyle is boring. it's a very small and totally inconsequential part because the Catwoman persona is so much larger, more interesting and important. as long as the chick can pull off looking hot in the catsuit and be enticing to batman doesn't matter what her race is. it's no coincidence that catwoman was one of the first characters to "FLIP" in terms of race going back to the 60s. you couldn't really make capt america or wonder woman black or latino because who they are is so much of the character. for a someone like catwoman or green lantern it doesn't really matter since the alter ego is so much more important to who they are. that's why you could have all those different green lantern alter egos without really missing much of a beat... or make him black or alien or w/e it's about the freaking ring now the ancillary little stories about their mundane life.

a black catwoman or asian or w/e would work fine as long as they got teh CATWOMAN part right with the right american girl attitude with teh sexiness. the selina kyle stuff doesn't matter.

You sir are clueless. :cwink:

[Cunning Stunts]

Ten bucks says he'll be humping Catwoman's leg come her appearance in Batman 3. :up:

And I didn't read that part about needing an American for an American before... What the hell is wrong with you? Nationality has even less to do with a particular casting choice than race does. Wtf is wrong with you?

[jmc]

Bats and Cats. Enjoy folks.

http://fanartexhibit.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/cat_bat_02.jpg

[Jay#1]

I'm afraid to see Max Payne, but I loved her in Quantum of Solace and thought she did VERY well, especially for having not done jack before. That said, I've only seen her in one role, so I'd be a little scared to throw her into such an epic crime drama. Although, if her work in Quantum of Solace is any indication of her abilities, I'd be all for it. :up:

she also worked in hitman. she was good in that too!

[Gianakin_]

Bats and Cats. Enjoy folks.

Fantastic job. Who did you use for Catwoman?

Edit: Nvm, it's Cotillard. THey sure look good together in that manip.

[Ace of Knaves]

Brilliant manip jmc. :up:

[Christmas]

that manip actually got me excited to see catwoman, which i definitely wasn't keen on at first. truly great work. :wow:

[regwec]

That's amazing, JMC.

[Laderlappen]

I thought that kinda looked like Rosario Dawson at first. Very good jmc. It looks very real.

[Lobo]

Jeez, jmc, that looks real :wow: :up:

[Mercurius]

Oh, Mr. Big Guns. Now that you have rudely over explained your post I will point out that it would have been easier to say "As soon as she crossed the screen, her performance was strong."

I usually don't jump on people but if you would have pointed that out in your original post it would have been easily understood.

Any person who knows any thing of acting would say that though one scene of her showing a little promise, well to you, doesn't mean she is remarkable nor does it mean she is capable of playing Selina Kyle up to par in a Chris Nolan film. And I stress that.

If she was so talented we would hear more of her and she would drowning in movie roles as she is a beautiful young actress.

You don't have to over-analyze it so much. She was okay, like I said, she isn't good but she isn't bad. No critics are crawling and begging for more performances. She's okay.

I wasn't exactly rude, I just gave you a lil' bit of your own medicine. It's bitter, isn't it? :oldrazz:

Well, as to our talented Miss Green: so, your logics tell you that if she was really talented, she would have many film projects showering over her head, and, as she is not that much around, she may be just ok.

1) Jessica Alba has movies all around. She isn't, ah-ham, that talented;

2) Miss Green may be one of those who like to pick her roles carefully, or she might just not like all this celebrity life.

There you have two points that can easily be put against your reasoning as to her "lack of talent".

[Two-Face]

33 is too old?

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/angelina-jolie/pictures/angelina-jolie-picture-6.jpg

You must like 'em young! ;)




perfect Catwoman.

[[A]]

:pal:

[WeaponXProject]

I wasn't exactly rude, I just gave you a lil' bit of your own medicine. It's bitter, isn't it? :oldrazz:

Well, as to our talented Miss Green: so, your logics tell you that if she was really talented, she would have many film projects showering over her head, and, as she is not that much around, she may be just ok.

1) Jessica Alba has movies all around. She isn't, ah-ham, that talented;

2) Miss Green may be one of those who like to pick her roles carefully, or she might just not like all this celebrity life.

There you have two points that can easily be put against your reasoning as to her "lack of talent".

I wasn't rude I just said it was a rediculous thing to say. Once you explained it and mocked me it was a little too much. You continue to try to bait me and its annoying. Instead of doing that why don't you give me a good reason for Eva being Selina instead of telling me about Al Pacino and/or why Jessica Alba gets roles.

I don't like your apples and oranges comparison here either or is it another philosophical comparison. Ms. Alba is a sex symbol and doesn't take challenging roles ever. She isn't only not "that talented" she's awful. She started on Dark Angel and gets roles because she is a huge sex symbol here in america. She is a celebrity that is followed by papparazzi daily and has endorsements for her looks. As for Eva, she is a beauty that would get and should choose different roles than Paul Walker's girlfriend in a movie or Dane Cook's squeeze in another. Eva's either smart enough, or Hollywood doesn't care enough like me, for not taking or being offered those roles. She's beautiful but forgettable and is only mentioned in this thread. If you were to compare her to Jessica Alba again maybe wait until Eva does bad RomComs and movies directed by Tim Story. Eva has had no exposure and showed no examples to make me think she could be promising. She is better than Alba, alot better, but so is my cousin and she does 6th grade plays.

Go ahead make another comparison and this time don't overlook half I say. Tell me why she is good enough to play Selina Kyle, that's what I'm waiting for. Don't give me, "Well if Jessica Alba and Kate Hudson or somebody can get roles why can't or why doesn't Eva?" That's irrelevant to this conversation.

How are either of your points relevant to why Eva should be Selina?

[Mercurius]

I wasn't rude I just said it was a rediculous thing to say. Once you explained it and mocked me it was a little too much. You continue to try to bait me and its annoying. Instead of doing that why don't you give me a good reason for Eva being Selina instead of telling me about Al Pacino and/or why Jessica Alba gets roles.

I don't like your apples and oranges comparison here either or is it another philosophical comparison. Ms. Alba is a sex symbol and doesn't take challenging roles ever. She isn't only not "that talented" she's awful. She started on Dark Angel and gets roles because she is a huge sex symbol here in america. She is a celebrity that is followed by papparazzi daily and has endorsements for her looks. As for Eva, she is a beauty that would get and should choose different roles than Paul Walker's girlfriend in a movie or Dane Cook's squeeze in another. Eva's either smart enough, or Hollywood doesn't care enough like me, for not taking or being offered those roles. She's beautiful but forgettable and is only mentioned in this thread. If you were to compare her to Jessica Alba again maybe wait until Eva does bad RomComs and movies directed by Tim Story. Eva has had no exposure and showed no examples to make me think she could be promising. She is better than Alba, alot better, but so is my cousin and she does 6th grade plays.

Go ahead make another comparison and this time don't overlook half I say. Tell me why she is good enough to play Selina Kyle, that's what I'm waiting for. Don't give me, "Well if Jessica Alba and Kate Hudson or somebody can get roles why can't or why doesn't Eva?" That's irrelevant to this conversation.

How are either of your points relevant to why Eva should be Selina?


The first thing is that: when you want to talk tough, you need to be prepared to get it back on you.

No bad blood at all, Wolvy, we in the least appreciate The Godfather.:cwink:

Second: honestly, I can't understand why are you carrying Miss Alba's portfolio under your arm in the last post.

I'm not comparing Miss Green to her. I was simply implying that your argument that a good actress would have a pile of movies is somewhat flawed.

Alba, bad actress = pile of movies. Just that.

Eva Green would be a good Selina Kyle because she's a good actress, she's smart, sexy, young, has a remarkable voice and has a most wonderful body, and even something evil, spicy in her intense eyes.

You question the "good actress" aspect. You didn't like her in Casino Royale, or find her rather blunt. Maybe you don't like her acting in The Dreamers, too.

So what can I do for you?

a) I could suggest that you take the pain of watching those movies again with your two eyes open and see her very precise depiction of the little emotions that go by a human face.

b) Or write a treatise on acting.

But I want to spare you the most unpleasant experience, of course.

And my number one name for a possible Catwoman is Marion Cotillard. :cwink:

[Laderlappen]

The first thing is that: when you want to talk tough, you need to be prepared to get it back on you.

No bad blood at all, Wolvy, we in the least appreciate The Godfather.:cwink:

Second: honestly, I can't understand why are you carrying Miss Alba's portfolio under your arm in the last post.

I'm not comparing Miss Green to her. I was simply implying that your argument that a good actress would have a pile of movies is somewhat flawed.

Alba, bad actress = pile of movies. Just that.

Eva Green would be a good Selina Kyle because she's a good actress, she's smart, sexy, young, has a remarkable voice and has a most wonderful body, and even something evil, spicy in her intense eyes.

You question the "good actress" aspect. You didn't like her in Casino Royale, or find her rather blunt. Maybe you don't like her acting in The Dreamers, too.

So what can I do for you?

a) I could suggest that you take the pain of watching those movies again with your two eyes open and see her very precise depiction of the little emotions that go by a human face.

b) Or write a treatise on acting.

But I want to spare you the most unpleasant experience, of course.

And my number one name for a possible Catwoman is Marion Cotillard. :cwink:Pile of BAD movies.

[RockyBatboa]

perfect Catwoman.


:wow:

[Two-Face]

:wow:

What?

[RockyBatboa]

The first thing is that: when you want to talk tough, you need to be prepared to get it back on you.

No bad blood at all, Wolvy, we in the least appreciate The Godfather.:cwink:

Second: honestly, I can't understand why are you carrying Miss Alba's portfolio under your arm in the last post.

I'm not comparing Miss Green to her. I was simply implying that your argument that a good actress would have a pile of movies is somewhat flawed.

Alba, bad actress = pile of movies. Just that.

Eva Green would be a good Selina Kyle because she's a good actress, she's smart, sexy, young, has a remarkable voice and has a most wonderful body, and even something evil, spicy in her intense eyes.

You question the "good actress" aspect. You didn't like her in Casino Royale, or find her rather blunt. Maybe you don't like her acting in The Dreamers, too.

So what can I do for you?

a) I could suggest that you take the pain of watching those movies again with your two eyes open and see her very precise depiction of the little emotions that go by a human face.

b) Or write a treatise on acting.

But I want to spare you the most unpleasant experience, of course.

And my number one name for a possible Catwoman is Marion Cotillard. :cwink:


...who sadly wont be cast. Damn shame too.

Now, for those who wish to step out of their own daydream and have a real discussion on who may actually be cast, let's first look at how likely a specific atress will excite the public and maintain audience interest, which Cotillard obviously wouldnt.

We have:

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Charlize Theron

other possibilities:

Rachel McAdams
Jessica Biel (horrible actress, but fan fave)

Discuss.

[bgates87]

All we really have to do is wait for the next lesbian cowgirl movie, whoever stars in it will be the obvious choice for Catwoman.

[Two-Face]

All we really have to do is wait for the next lesbian cowgirl movie, whoever stars in it will be the obvious choice for Catwoman.

:funny:

[GlasgowBat]

i think such a film would threaten TDK's box office takings............

[RockyBatboa]

What?


what- angelina jolie- what -stunning

[RockyBatboa]

All we really have to do is wait for the next lesbian cowgirl movie, whoever stars in it will be the obvious choice for Catwoman.



Worked for Heath Ledger.:word:

[I Am The Knight]

worked for heath ledger.:word:

zinggggggggggg!!

[RockyBatboa]

i think such a film would threaten TDK's box office takings............


How the hell would it threaten the TDK's b.o. takings....?:csad:

The Dark Knight has already came and went and took with it 1 Billion in world wide grosses. It's status is pretty much assured as a bona fide moster bonanza hit, lesbian cowgirl cast as catwoman in sequel or not.

[RockyBatboa]

zinggggggggggg!!

Your sig is awesome. may i steal it?:woot:

[Laderlappen]

...who sadly wont be cast. Damn shame too.

Now, for those who wish to step out of their own daydream and have a real discussion on who may actually be cast, let's first look at how likely a specific atress will excite the public and maintain audience interest, which Cotillard obviously wouldnt.

We have:

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Charlize Theron

other possibilities:

Rachel McAdams
Jessica Biel (horrible actress, but fan fave)

Discuss.Who gives a fudge?!

[cerealkiller182]

its not as if Nolan has picked safe choices up till now that we'd have to think that way.

[Mercurius]

...who sadly wont be cast. Damn shame too.

Now, for those who wish to step out of their own daydream and have a real discussion on who may actually be cast, let's first look at how likely a specific atress will excite the public and maintain audience interest, which Cotillard obviously wouldnt.

We have:

Angelina Jolie
Kate Beckinsale
Charlize Theron

other possibilities:

Rachel McAdams
Jessica Biel (horrible actress, but fan fave)

Discuss.


Says you.

But you're obviously a lunatic. :oldrazz:

Which happens to be a good quality in this madhouse.:cwink:

[RockyBatboa]

Me, and apparently everyone else who voted for an actress who can be a commodity and not a hindrance to the success of the next Batman movie.

Refer to the poll results at page top.

[RockyBatboa]

its not as if Nolan has picked safe choices up till now that we'd have to think that way.

Safe choices????

HAH!

Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Liam Neeson, Heath Ledger, Tom Wilkinson, ect...theese we're all safe choices, fella.

[Laderlappen]

Then so is Marion. Why is it more important that the producers makes some extra bucks than that the movie is better? Several of those actors makes flops all the time anyway.

[RockyBatboa]

Says you.

But you're obviously a lunatic. :oldrazz:

Which happens to be a good quality in this madhouse.:cwink:


Lunatic? You must have sneezed-bless you.:yay:


You're not arguing the point, so you must have found some truth to it.

And havent you heard, there's a link between brilliance and madness, but only about 5 percent of the population is afflicted with it. I may be a genious, but i'm not crazy.

Sais who?

Me.

Who are you.

I'm you.:wow:

[Mercurius]

LOL. Indeed.

[RockyBatboa]

Then so is Marion. Why is it more important that the producers makes some extra bucks than that the movie is better? Several of those actors makes flops all the time anyway.



Marion is a safe choice? Based on what??

Her 20 years of a career? No.
Her 10 years? No.

The fact that she's attractive? no, so's angelina and charlize, and they have more status then cotlriard will likely ever have.

How do you you figure she'l make the movie any better herself? Because you personally find yourself particularly attracted to her and think she's a fine actress? Fine, no problem, there, but she has NO wide appeal.

Actresses that do would better serve the film. They would know what's at stake and bring their A-game, whereareas marion would most likely see it as a career boost, and coulld possibly funk it up.

Is that what you want?

[cerealkiller182]

Safe choices????

HAH!

Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Liam Neeson, Heath Ledger, Tom Wilkinson, ect...theese we're all safe choices, fella.

How could Heath Ledger be a safe choice if half the fanboy population ****ted a brick when he was cast?

They are all talented actors but not the box office draw they should be, nor his Gary Oldman or Tom Wilkinson that well known by general audiences beyond "that guy from......" and none of them were chosen because they were recognizable by the audience

I dont see Nolan limiting himself to Jolie, Theron, and Beckinsale, (especially Beckinsale) for the sake of recognizablility.

[Laderlappen]

Marion is a safe choice? Based on what??

Her 20 years of a career? No.
Her 10 years? No.

The fact that she's attractive? no, so's angelina and charlize, and they have more status then cotlriard will likely ever have.

How do you you figure she'l make the movie any better herself? Because you personally find yourself particularly attracted to her and think she's a fine actress? Fine, no problem, there, but she has NO wide appeal.

Actresses that do would better serve the film. They would know what's at stake and bring their A-game, whereareas marion would most likely see it as a career boost, and coulld possibly funk it up.

Is that what you want?Because she made one of our times greatest performance and has proven in other movie that she is one of the most interesting best actresses in the world. Its about quality, not quantity. Ron Jeremy have worked in far more movies, and far longer than Heath Ledger.

[RockyBatboa]

LOL. Indeed.

Glad to amuse you, but...

you're still not arguing my point, so i take it you have conceded to it.

Victory!!!

RockyBatboa-1

Mercurius-0:hehe:

[RockyBatboa]

How could Heath Ledger be a safe choice if half the fanboy population ****ted a brick when he was cast?

They are all talented actors but not the box office draw they should be, nor his Gary Oldman or Tom Wilkinson that well known by general audiences beyond "that guy from......" and none of them were chosen because they were recognizable by the audience

I dont see Nolan limiting himself to Jolie, Theron, and Beckinsale, (especially Beckinsale) for the sake of recognizablility.

Heath Ledger may have been an unlikely choice (for most people), but that doesnt make him neccessarily an UNsafe choice. Witness his ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom for best actor.

Some werent box office draws (like Wilkinson) becasue of the types of films they chose prior to BB-witness wilkinson's role/movie choices since BB, somewhat differnet now, arent they? More mainstream, more wide audience pics.

Gary Oldman was VERY well known and was cast, partly, because of how well known he was. He was known as the villian in many a film, sid and nancy, bram stokers.., air force one, fifth element, ect.ect.
Nolan thought it was brilliant to cast such a well known actor who statistically played villians as such a good-natured heroic character, basing the decision on his knowledge that Oldman was an excellent character actor, and can do the opposite of what he usually did.

Caine and Freeman were SPECIFICALLy chosen because of how familiar audiences we're to them, also for appropriateness to their roles.


Nolan is the guy who has so often picked recognizable names and faces for his films.

Memento-guy pearce, Carrie-ann moss, Joe Pantialano

Insomnia-Pacino, Williams, Hilary Swank

Prestige-Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale(post-star status), Scarlett Johansen

The batman movies-Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Heath Ledger, ect.

It's so laughable when fans say Nolan doesnt go for names, when he actually always has. The point is he goes for names who are also gifted actors, not names who suck.

Theron and Jolie are Oscar winners and Beckinsale has come close, thery're not just very recognizable stars with broad appeal, they're excellent actresses.

Fans who suggest no-names are advertising they're own private fantasies, then get frustrated when they're dreams dont materialize.

i picked Neeson for Ras before he was even cast, b/c he had a wide audience and was an excellent actor to boot.

You can have the best of both worlds. why such a 'sin'?

[RockyBatboa]

Because she made one of our times greatest performance and has proven in other movie that she is one of the most interesting best actresses in the world. Its about quality, not quantity. Ron Jeremy have worked in far more movies, and far longer than Heath Ledger.


Pure fanboy salviating, no offense.:whatever:

You are singling out marion because of you own personal tastes and private fantasies, not because she's a viable choice. Then, when she ISNT cast, you'll fart and complain, how she was overlooked. But was she? Dont you think theese people are looking at the BIG picture.

Ron Jeremy didnt make films. He made PORNOS. there's a bg difference.

Grow up.

[cerealkiller182]

Heath Ledger may have been an unlikely choice (for most people), but that doesnt make him neccessarily an UNsafe choice. Witness his ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom for best actor.

Some werent box office draws (like Wilkinson) becasue of the types of films they chose prior to BB-witness wilkinson's role/movie choices since BB, somewhat differnet now, arent they? More mainstream, more wide audience pics.

Gary Oldman was VERY well known and was cast, partly, because of how well known he was. He was known as the villian in many a film, sid and nancy, bram stokers.., air force one, fifth element, ect.ect.
Nolan thought it was brilliant to cast such a well known actor who statistically played villians as such a good-natured heroic character, basing the decision on his knowledge that Oldman was an excellent character actor, and can do the opposite of what he usually did.

Caine and Freeman were SPECIFICALLy chosen because of how familiar audiences we're to them, also for appropriateness to their roles.


Nolan is the guy who has so often picked recognizable names and faces for his films.

Memento-guy pearce, Carrie-ann moss, Joe Pantialano

Insomnia-Pacino, Williams, Hilary Swank

Prestige-Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale(post-star status), Scarlett Johansen

The batman movies-Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Heath Ledger, ect.

It's so laughable when fans say Nolan doesnt go for names, when he actually always has. The point is he goes for names who are also gifted actors, not names who suck.

Theron and Jolie are Oscar winners and Beckinsale has come close, thery're not just very recognizable stars with broad appeal, they're excellent actresses.

Fans who suggest no-names are advertising they're own private fantasies, then get frustrated when they're dreams dont materialize.

i picked Neeson for Ras before he was even cast, b/c he had a wide audience and was an excellent actor to boot.

You can have the best of both worlds. why such a 'sin'?

You dont seem to understand what safe means. Being a SAFE choice means you were chosen for marketable reasons and you would bring in a SAFE amount of money based off your name. Do you think these people, while talented, were chosen because the audience recognizes them? Absolutely not. Because than Gary Oldman would be in a villain role and morgan freeman would have more screentime than Christian Bale and Heath Ledger would play a much more likeable character. That would be safe. Casting them in the roles that they were is not safe. The popularity of the actor doesnt make them immediately safe, its how you use them.

I also dont find popularity to be a good measure of quality. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are super talented and super popular but they arnt right for every role. I don't think its a problem that people suggest actors who arnt the most popular but still talented because they can easilly complement the character in question. Sorry, but not every movie can star Johnny Depp as the hero, Angelina Jolie as the heroine, and Gary Oldman as the villain.

And what no-name actresses are you referring too? Marion Cottilard? She has the same pedigree as Heath Ledger. A good sized career with a recent Oscar win.

[jmc]

Marion is a popular choice because she's a great actress and has the looks, simple as that, she is a quality actress.

[cerealkiller182]

Pure fanboy salviating, no offense.:whatever:

You are singling out marion because of you own personal tastes and private fantasies, not because she's a viable choice. Then, when she ISNT cast, you'll fart and complain, how she was overlooked. But was she? Dont you think theese people are looking at the BIG picture.

Ron Jeremy didnt make films. He made PORNOS. there's a bg difference.

Grow up.

Yes and that doesnt mean picking someone because she looks good on the poster. The choice of Marion is very viable, as viable as both Christian Bale and Heath Ledger.

[Laderlappen]

RockyBatboa, there's so much insanity in your post. I dont know where to start.
1) You're suggesting that great directors should care more about making a few extra bucks than making the movie better.
2) Fame adn popularity hasnt as big box-office factor as you think. ALl the most famous an popular actors makes flops. Tom Cruise has, Johnny Depp has, George Clooney has, like half of Jolies movies flopped. Brad Pitt starred in one of the best movies of 2007, it still flopped. Curious Case didnt make as much as expected.
3) The majority of the actors you mentioned arent superstars. Only like 3 people are that popular by the MTV-public. Many of the actors in Nolans films arent more famous or more popular than Marion Cotillard.
4) You said Heath has(and Im quoting) - "ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom". So does Marion. Except she won.
5) What the fudge has WIlkinson's movies Post-Batman Begins have anything to do with anything?
6) Oldman was NOT picked because of box-office draw. He's considered to be one of the most talanted actors of the last 30 years. Freeman, Caine, Neeson were neither picked because of box-office draw.
7) If Nolan picked actors because of fame and popularity why didnt he pick some jerk-off material instead of indie-queen Maggie Gyllenhaal who many people complain of being too "ugly".
8) Beckinsale has NEVER been close to an oscar win. She has never been close to an nomination.
9) Marion stars in 2 of the biggest movies of this year. That and her oscar win, she wont exactly be a nobody in 2011.
10) Its a bloody Batman movie. Very few people are not gonna see it because they dont recognise one of the actors.

I think thats it. For now.

[cerealkiller182]

RockyBatboa, there's so much insanity in your post. I dont know where to start.
1) You're suggesting that great directors should care more about making a few extra bucks than making the movie better.
2) Fame adn popularity hasnt as big box-office factor as you think. ALl the most famous an popular actors makes flops. Tom Cruise has, Johnny Depp has, George Clooney has, like half of Jolies movies flopped. Brad Pitt starred in one of the best movies of 2007, it still flopped. Curious Case didnt make as much as expected.
3) The majority of the actors you mentioned arent superstars. Only like 3 people are that popular by the MTV-public. Many of the actors in Nolans films arent more famous or more popular than Marion Cotillard.
4) You said Heath has(and Im quoting) - "ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom". So does Marion. Except she won.
5) What the fudge has WIlkinson's movies Post-Batman Begins have anything to do with anything?
6) Oldman was NOT picked because of box-office draw. He's considered to be one of the most talanted actors of the last 30 years. Freeman, Caine, Neeson were neither picked because of box-office draw.
7) If Nolan picked actors because of fame and popularity why didnt he pick some jerk-off material instead of indie-queen Maggie Gyllenhaal who many people complain of being too "ugly".
8) Beckinsale has NEVER been close to an oscar win. She has never been close to an nomination.
9) Marion stars in 2 of the biggest movies of this year. That and her oscar win, she wont exactly be a nobody in 2011.
10) Its a bloody Batman movie. Very few people are not gonna see it because they dont recognise one of the actors.

I think thats it. For now.

Agreed.

[Cunning Stunts]

RockyBatboa, there's so much insanity in your post. I dont know where to start.
1) You're suggesting that great directors should care more about making a few extra bucks than making the movie better.
2) Fame adn popularity hasnt as big box-office factor as you think. ALl the most famous an popular actors makes flops. Tom Cruise has, Johnny Depp has, George Clooney has, like half of Jolies movies flopped. Brad Pitt starred in one of the best movies of 2007, it still flopped. Curious Case didnt make as much as expected.
3) The majority of the actors you mentioned arent superstars. Only like 3 people are that popular by the MTV-public. Many of the actors in Nolans films arent more famous or more popular than Marion Cotillard.
4) You said Heath has(and Im quoting) - "ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom". So does Marion. Except she won.
5) What the fudge has WIlkinson's movies Post-Batman Begins have anything to do with anything?
6) Oldman was NOT picked because of box-office draw. He's considered to be one of the most talanted actors of the last 30 years. Freeman, Caine, Neeson were neither picked because of box-office draw.
7) If Nolan picked actors because of fame and popularity why didnt he pick some jerk-off material instead of indie-queen Maggie Gyllenhaal who many people complain of being too "ugly".
8) Beckinsale has NEVER been close to an oscar win. She has never been close to an nomination.
9) Marion stars in 2 of the biggest movies of this year. That and her oscar win, she wont exactly be a nobody in 2011.

I think thats it. For now.

2.- You'd actually be shocked as to how much star power can draw money in the box office. To be honest, in most cases, you're flat out wrong here. Sure, big stars have flops, but even flops can get tons of money.

7.- Just my two cents, but her injection into this movie likely had ties to the fact that she was a good friend of Ledger's. A lot of people get into the business and certain movies this way.

Honestly, I'd never even heard of Marion until this board brought her up. I bought La Vie En Rose to check it out, but I have yet to actually watch the movie... But that said, I do think the majority of the fan following these boards give are just B.S., most notably the Jolie following. With that in mind, I'm going to pay great attention to Marion's role to see what I think of her (although I've heard countless great things about her with La Vie En Rose, although this is the only film in which I hear about her having this much acclaim).

Not discrediting her abilities as I haven't seen her, but this board's users have reputations for not knowing what they're talking about... I.e., Massively discrediting or exaggerating the living hell out of some actors' abilities, swearing they know how Nolan's going to do the next Batman movie simply based on a small number of films he's done, and demanding either the biggest possible name or some small ass actors I've never even heard of, and swearing that they're "the next Heath Ledger."

[RockyBatboa]

You dont seem to understand what safe means. Being a SAFE choice means you were chosen for marketable reasons and you would bring in a SAFE amount of money based off your name. Do you think these people, while talented, were chosen because the audience recognizes them? Absolutely not. Because than Gary Oldman would be in a villain role and morgan freeman would have more screentime than Christian Bale and Heath Ledger would play a much more likeable character. That would be safe. Casting them in the roles that they were is not safe. The popularity of the actor doesnt make them immediately safe, its how you use them.

I also dont find popularity to be a good measure of quality. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are super talented and super popular but they arnt right for every role. I don't think its a problem that people suggest actors who arnt the most popular but still talented because they can easilly complement the character in question. Sorry, but not every movie can star Johnny Depp as the hero, Angelina Jolie as the heroine, and Gary Oldman as the villain.

And what no-name actresses are you referring too? Marion Cottilard? She has the same pedigree as Heath Ledger. A good sized career with a recent Oscar win.


I dont understand what safe means??

Are you dense? I know exactly what safe means. It means you have wide appeal and the movie audience generally likes you , exactly how i used it in my original posts. But as i said, "safe" and "LIKELY to be cast in a PARTICULAR role are not mutually similar terms, or dony YOU understand that?

Ledger wasnt LIKELY in most people's minds as the Joker, b/c of the previous casting of Nicholson, what kinds of roles Nicholson had played(mostly psychos), who the Joker was (a PSYCHO) and the roles Ledger had mostly played (heroes and dramatic/romantic). However, he was a SAFE choice because he had a ten year long career at that point, was becomming a star, was nominated for an oscar, and was the most popular actor under 30, sans ashton kutcher. Dont you get it? Kutcher would have even been a safe choice, b/c of his POPULARITY, wouldnt have been a good choice, though. Ledger was, even though he wasnt the likely choice.

So, mister condescendence, who is so lost in his own wordings, he doesnt comprehend the key point someone is trying to make, do you know what safe means? Now, you do.

Your examples of safe are innaccurate b/c you had no idea what safe means, in the comprehensive manner in which i was speaking of it. Safe and Likely are NOT mutally conclusive.

Therefore, casting a well known character actor like Goldman as Goody Good Guy Gordon may not have been LIKELY, but it was safe, b/c the actor had wide appeal, and was a popular actor. I think the word you're looking for here is "Innovative".

Since when has depp always played the hero? Secret Window, Sweeny Todd, Blow, Public Enemies, even the Pirates films-was he really a hero in those? Charlie-he was more of a psycho parody. What's eating gilbert grape? Benny and June? a sympathetic brother and a surrealy idiosyncratic lover. Depp has rarely played heroes, and Jolie has played as many dramatic roles, even more, than she's played heroines. and when she has, they always have dark sides.

Marion does NOT have the same status now Ledger had even five yeas before his death. He officially became a growing star when AKT came out, and by the time bm came out, he was a bona fide young leading man, and rising star/star. Dark Knight casting solidified the long tenure he had in film, sadly fate had other plans. RIP.

Comparing marion with ledger in terms of SAFETY is ludriocous, and you know it.
Come on, get off the pot.

and wake up, i never said she was a bad actress. You need to realize what another person is saying before you go into one of your half-cocked defenses.

Barring that, she still wont be cast. She isnt a safe choice, and she doenst have wide appeal. Most people dont even know who she is.

[WeaponXProject]

The first thing is that: when you want to talk tough, you need to be prepared to get it back on you.

No bad blood at all, Wolvy, we in the least appreciate The Godfather.:cwink:

Second: honestly, I can't understand why are you carrying Miss Alba's portfolio under your arm in the last post.

I'm not comparing Miss Green to her. I was simply implying that your argument that a good actress would have a pile of movies is somewhat flawed.

Alba, bad actress = pile of movies. Just that.

Eva Green would be a good Selina Kyle because she's a good actress, she's smart, sexy, young, has a remarkable voice and has a most wonderful body, and even something evil, spicy in her intense eyes.

You question the "good actress" aspect. You didn't like her in Casino Royale, or find her rather blunt. Maybe you don't like her acting in The Dreamers, too.

So what can I do for you?

a) I could suggest that you take the pain of watching those movies again with your two eyes open and see her very precise depiction of the little emotions that go by a human face.

b) Or write a treatise on acting.

But I want to spare you the most unpleasant experience, of course.

And my number one name for a possible Catwoman is Marion Cotillard. :cwink:

I only ask fairness and less condescension. Don't take my posts out of context and don't spin them.

I don't like Alba but when some one is so overexposed you can't help but notice. She's in every magazine, on every shelf at Blockbuster and on FX once every couple weeks playing Sue Storm. You and I know she is in those terrible Fantastic Four movies so don't pretend you don't notice her.

I love Casino Royale but it wasn't her performance as much as it was the Judy Dench's, having a new Bond that can take on action, and an exciting story that leaves MI6 wondering whether Bond can be trusted or not. Is he renegade or is he one of us.

Yeah Godfather is great.

Describing her as sexy, smart and a good actress shows me nothing. Can she perform athletically like Catwoman would? Not that we have seen. Does she have a powerful aspect to her that is intimidating? Not to me. Could she hold her own with a big cast? Haven't seen so yet. Yes, she can be seductive and is very beautiful.

You don't have to do anything for me. What I'd like to know is how can you have someone who has shown so much ability like Marion and defend someone who's been a Bond girl and in one movie that has been big and another, Franklyn, that looks interesting but seems to be more story driven and about the character Ryan Phillipe portrays.

A good actress is known as taking on a variety of roles. Someone like Eva compared to Marion, Jolie, Winslet and Theron is hard to judge when we haven't seen much and have only seen her as mysterious.

And Marion Cottilard is in my top picks so I can't fret on that and will never.

Look if Eva got cast as Catwoman alot of fans would be rushing out to find performances of her's that are worthy. They'd find two movies of good performances, and by my measure I'd say just Dreamers, doesn't measure up to what fans want. We don't want to "Katie Holmes" this and have someone that you just want to slap back to the WB channel. This is the third movie, and the sequel to the second highest grossing movie of alltime, which is why I think it is just reasonable to see that I would rather see someone that is a top shelf performer that will give the cast, crew and audience high expectations.

I'll give you this, she is a better choice to me than alot of this list but I just don't see little known actress, at least in the states, taking on such a big character in the probable finale to Nolan's Batverse.

But hell, who am i, I don't cast for movies. If she can cut it I haven't seen it. Maybe she can act but my point is I haven't seen anything worthy compared to the top choices on this list. I only enjoyed her in one movie. That's all. Let's truce this. I don't like her. You do. Alot of people don't like Jolie for Catwoman. I do. We both like Cotillard and we both obviously have different interpretations of what good acting is and how they would fit in with this extremely talented cast. And frankly, I don't want to argue about an actress I don't care about anymore.

Whoever Nolan choses will be better than our choices, most likely. And we don't even know if Catwoman is in this movie.

[WeaponXProject]

Man these last three or four pages have gotten tense.

So I just watched Changeling, great Jolie performance, very different from her usual choices. If Jolie is cast...it just depends on which Jolie shows up. Typical Mr. and Mrs. Smith Jolie or the one that dives into a character. In a movie like Nolan's, actors tend to show their top performances and the stories are very character driven so I think she would take the character to a new level. I really think Nolan, if he plans on using Catwoman, is going to take a more serious tone to her like the previous Batman movies. I plan on seeing a new take on the character if she is used.

[RockyBatboa]

RockyBatboa, there's so much insanity in your post. I dont know where to start.
1) You're suggesting that great directors should care more about making a few extra bucks than making the movie better.
2) Fame adn popularity hasnt as big box-office factor as you think. ALl the most famous an popular actors makes flops. Tom Cruise has, Johnny Depp has, George Clooney has, like half of Jolies movies flopped. Brad Pitt starred in one of the best movies of 2007, it still flopped. Curious Case didnt make as much as expected.
3) The majority of the actors you mentioned arent superstars. Only like 3 people are that popular by the MTV-public. Many of the actors in Nolans films arent more famous or more popular than Marion Cotillard.
4) You said Heath has(and Im quoting) - "ten year long career prior to being cast and alread one oscar nom". So does Marion. Except she won.
5) What the fudge has WIlkinson's movies Post-Batman Begins have anything to do with anything?
6) Oldman was NOT picked because of box-office draw. He's considered to be one of the most talanted actors of the last 30 years. Freeman, Caine, Neeson were neither picked because of box-office draw.
7) If Nolan picked actors because of fame and popularity why didnt he pick some jerk-off material instead of indie-queen Maggie Gyllenhaal who many people complain of being too "ugly".
8) Beckinsale has NEVER been close to an oscar win. She has never been close to an nomination.
9) Marion stars in 2 of the biggest movies of this year. That and her oscar win, she wont exactly be a nobody in 2011.
10) Its a bloody Batman movie. Very few people are not gonna see it because they dont recognise one of the actors.

I think thats it. For now.

If you think theres so much insanity in my posts, it's probably b/c there's so much stupidity in your mind.

1.) I'm saying that directors are not salviating fanboys with no lives, nitpicking about an actress b/c of a photo they've googled on the internet. They, Nolan particularly, looks at the big picture.

2.) i never ascribed a definite b.o. hit to an actor's popularity alone. learn how to read. I suggested that talent, audience interest, and either sane/logical casting or innovative casting will often lead to success.

3.) you are slow, arent you. I specifically mentioned Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Kate Beckinsale for catwoman. Jolie and Theron are possibly the 2 biggest female stars right now, and Beckinsale is also a star. You are ignorant or joking if you're claiming Cotillard is as popular as Guy Pearce, Al Pacino, Robin Williams, Hilary Swank, Scarlett Johansen, Katie Holmes, Hugh Jackman, Michale Caine, Heath Ledger, ect. Where do you live, Los Angelas. Get your mind out of the local trades and realize there is a WORLD outside your bedroom window-LOL.:whatever:

4) Correct. I never said marion was untalented. But she has NO wide appeal, or perhaps you want to compare ledger box office 98-07(prior DK) to marion's last ten years. aGo ahead-prove yourself wrong. I'll be waiting -i dont want to embarass you myself, but your claim is here comparing popularity is absurd.

5.) Wilkinson's films have been more mainstream post BB.

6.) LOL. Box office draw played a part in all four of theese men's casting.

7.) Nolans choices reflect talent and wide appeal/popularity. You're too dense to understand, i'll refrain from explaining.
Maggie Gylenhal has been becomming more mainstream in recent years and had a look that could "pass" for Holmes. The character was destined to die, so why cast a more popular actress?

8.) Wrong.

9.) Unlikely

10.) Wrong.

Have a good day, son.

[Cunning Stunts]

Describing her as sexy, smart and a good actress shows me nothing. Can she perform athletically like Catwoman would?

She doesn't need to, that's what stunt doubles are for.

Not that we have seen. Does she have a powerful aspect to her that is intimidating? Not to me. Could she hold her own with a big cast? Haven't seen so yet. Yes, she can be seductive and is very beautiful.

If you've seen Kingdom of Heaven, then you have seen so. She did quite well as Sybilla, in my opinion.

Look if Eva got cast as Catwoman alot of fans would be rushing out to find performances of her's that are worthy. They'd find two movies of good performances, and by my measure I'd say just Dreamers, doesn't measure up to what fans want. We don't want to "Katie Holmes" this and have someone that you just want to slap back to the WB channel. This is the third movie, and the sequel to the second highest grossing movie of alltime, which is why I think it is just reasonable to see that I would rather see someone that is a top shelf performer that will give the cast, crew and audience high expectations.

What was wrong with her performance in Dreamers? I haven't seen the entire thing, but from what I have seen, she was pretty good.

Whoever Nolan choses will be better than our choices, most likely. And we don't even know if Catwoman is in this movie.

Just to make a point (and this isn't directed at anyone in general), but Nolan will likely base his decision on whether or not he thinks the actor or actress can stand up to a specific role, not necessarily whether or not he or she has earned an Oscar, as that's based a certain group's opinions. Sure, nominations for prestigious awards help a lot, but if Nolan notices someone eyes them for the role, he's going to toss that person into the role. Heath Ledger was the perfect example... What in his career showed that he could become such a psycho like he did as The Joker? Not much, from what I'd seen. Not knocking his abilities, but there's a vast difference between giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a romantic cowboy and giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a mass-murdering psychopath.

You don't have to have "played the role before" to get a role later on in your career, either. I don't get where people get these assumptions as to having certain requirements for a role...

Having done it before, having won an Oscar, looking identical to the character. It's all hilarious, because none of this means that you'll put on an Oscar-worthy performance this time around either.

[Majik1387]

Rachel Weisz for Catwoman.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_09_vkr-actress.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/rachelweisz100.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_018.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

She's my #2 for Catwoman, and my #1 for Talia.

I'd just like to say, though, I've been a Weisz-For-Catwoman advocate for a long time now... Even before the recent rumors about WB looking at her. :cool:

[RockyBatboa]

2.- You'd actually be shocked as to how much star power can draw money in the box office. To be honest, in most cases, you're flat out wrong here. Sure, big stars have flops, but even flops can get tons of money.

7.- Just my two cents, but her injection into this movie likely had ties to the fact that she was a good friend of Ledger's. A lot of people get into the business and certain movies this way.

Honestly, I'd never even heard of Marion until this board brought her up. I bought La Vie En Rose to check it out, but I have yet to actually watch the movie... But that said, I do think the majority of the fan following these boards give are just B.S., most notably the Jolie following. With that in mind, I'm going to pay great attention to Marion's role to see what I think of her (although I've heard countless great things about her with La Vie En Rose, although this is the only film in which I hear about her having this much acclaim).

Not discrediting her abilities as I haven't seen her, but this board's users have reputations for not knowing what they're talking about... I.e., Massively discrediting or exaggerating the living hell out of some actors' abilities, swearing they know how Nolan's going to do the next Batman movie simply based on a small number of films he's done, and demanding either the biggest possible name or some small ass actors I've never even heard of, and swearing that they're "the next Heath Ledger."

Here is a man with ample intelligence. Star power drives many a film, as you've said. Granted, it's not a perfect formula, but it's importance cant be understated, either.

As for Gylenhal, that could be possible. For such an indie actress, her inclusion seemed awkward, even more so than the cutsie out of place Holmes in the first film-at least she was believably attractive.

But what about the Jolie following. She's been nominated twice now for academy awards, and has already one won, she'll probably win this year too. She has the right look and the right intensity for the role of Catwoman, and she has the wide appeal....so how is the following ********.

The main problem as i see it , is people here get sick of seeing the same faces, Even if they have the talent that passes the test of time, and then go about thinking they are innovative by overthing about less known actresses, thinking how excellent and individual, and unexplored treasures their tastes are.

Got nothing against marion, had her for dinner last night, LOL, but she's not going anywhere.

[flickchick85]

Pure fanboy salviating, no offense.:whatever:

You are singling out marion because of you own personal tastes and private fantasies, not because she's a viable choice.

Just for the record, I'm a straight female, so I have no fanboy salivatory interest in Marion Cotillard, and I totally agree with what Laderlappen said. She IS one of the best well-known actresses in the world, and has just as much acclaim (if not more) than Heath Ledger did before he was cast as the Joker. And I've explained in length several times in this thread why I believe that not only is she a viable choice for this role, but she is one of the most viable choices.

And just because you're unfamiliar with her doesn't rule her out or make her any less viable an option.

ETA: Cunning, it's true that La Vie En Rose is the first role that brought her American acclaim, but she had plenty of international acclaim for roles prior to that as well (as you can see by checking out her awards at IMDB).

[jmc]

Rachel Weisz for Catwoman.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_09_vkr-actress.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/rachelweisz100.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_018.jpg

She is now officially my second choice.

[RockyBatboa]

I only ask fairness and less condescension. Don't take my posts out of context and don't spin them.

I don't like Alba but when some one is so overexposed you can't help but notice. She's in every magazine, on every shelf at Blockbuster and on FX once every couple weeks playing Sue Storm. You and I know she is in those terrible Fantastic Four movies so don't pretend you don't notice her.

I love Casino Royale but it wasn't her performance as much as it was the Judy Dench's, having a new Bond that can take on action, and an exciting story that leaves MI6 wondering whether Bond can be trusted or not. Is he renegade or is he one of us.

Yeah Godfather is great.

Describing her as sexy, smart and a good actress shows me nothing. Can she perform athletically like Catwoman would? Not that we have seen. Does she have a powerful aspect to her that is intimidating? Not to me. Could she hold her own with a big cast? Haven't seen so yet. Yes, she can be seductive and is very beautiful.

You don't have to do anything for me. What I'd like to know is how can you have someone who has shown so much ability like Marion and defend someone who's been a Bond girl and in one movie that has been big and another, Franklyn, that looks interesting but seems to be more story driven and about the character Ryan Phillipe portrays.

A good actress is known as taking on a variety of roles. Someone like Eva compared to Marion, Jolie, Winslet and Theron is hard to judge when we haven't seen much and have only seen her as mysterious.

And Marion Cottilard is in my top picks so I can't fret on that and will never.

Look if Eva got cast as Catwoman alot of fans would be rushing out to find performances of her's that are worthy. They'd find two movies of good performances, and by my measure I'd say just Dreamers, doesn't measure up to what fans want. We don't want to "Katie Holmes" this and have someone that you just want to slap back to the WB channel. This is the third movie, and the sequel to the second highest grossing movie of alltime, which is why I think it is just reasonable to see that I would rather see someone that is a top shelf performer that will give the cast, crew and audience high expectations.

I'll give you this, she is a better choice to me than alot of this list but I just don't see little known actress, at least in the states, taking on such a big character in the probable finale to Nolan's Batverse.

But hell, who am i, I don't cast for movies. If she can cut it I haven't seen it. Maybe she can act but my point is I haven't seen anything worthy compared to the top choices on this list. I only enjoyed her in one movie. That's all. Let's truce this. I don't like her. You do. Alot of people don't like Jolie for Catwoman. I do. We both like Cotillard and we both obviously have different interpretations of what good acting is and how they would fit in with this extremely talented cast. And frankly, I don't want to argue about an actress I don't care about anymore.

Whoever Nolan choses will be better than our choices, most likely. And we don't even know if Catwoman is in this movie.

We know one thing for sure. Catwoman will DEFINITELY be in this movie.:woot:

[Two-Face]

Man these last three or four pages have gotten tense.

So I just watched Changeling, great Jolie performance, very different from her usual choices. If Jolie is cast...it just depends on which Jolie shows up. Typical Mr. and Mrs. Smith Jolie or the one that dives into a character. In a movie like Nolan's, actors tend to show their top performances and the stories are very character driven so I think she would take the character to a new level. I really think Nolan, if he plans on using Catwoman, is going to take a more serious tone to her like the previous Batman movies. I plan on seeing a new take on the character if she is used.


I love that film, Jolie brings a great performace and better her action movies. give a credit to Eastwood here he'll brought the best in her if Nolan can do the same here with Jolie in Batman 3 then she will be great as Selina.


P.S Anyone who hasn't seen it I suggest you see Changeling.

[RockyBatboa]

Just to make a point (and this isn't directed at anyone in general), but Nolan will likely base his decision on whether or not he thinks the actor or actress can stand up to a specific role, not necessarily whether or not he or she has earned an Oscar, as that's based a certain group's opinions. Sure, nominations for prestigious awards help a lot, but if Nolan notices someone eyes them for the role, he's going to toss that person into the role. Heath Ledger was the perfect example... What in his career showed that he could become such a psycho like he did as The Joker? Not much, from what I'd seen. Not knocking his abilities, but there's a vast difference between giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a romantic cowboy and giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a mass-murdering psychopath.

You don't have to have "played the role before" to get a role later on in your career, either. I don't get where people get these assumptions as to having certain requirements for a role...

Having done it before, having won an Oscar, looking identical to the character. It's all hilarious, because none of this means that you'll put on an Oscar-worthy performance this time around either.

So, how many actors has Nolan worked with that have won oscars?:word:

How many that have been nominated? Check it out, you may be suprised.

Sure, talent plays a part. Being appropriate for the role. Would you cast Joe Pesci as Batman? Now, that would be ridiculous.

[Laderlappen]

I know whatn this will lead to. A discussion that goes on forever and ends up nowhere. Its also impossible to discuss with RockyBatboa because his respondses to facts are 'no it isnt', he lays down incorrect facts, and at last makes immature insults at you when you prove him wrong.

And no Jolie is not gonna win an oscar this year. She was lucky to be nominated. Its actually one of the most disliked nominated performances of this year. No offence Jolie fans.

[RockyBatboa]

She's my #2 for Catwoman, and my #1 for Talia.

I'd just like to say, though, I've been a Weisz-For-Catwoman advocate for a long time now... Even before the recent rumors about WB looking at her. :cool:


Weisz would make a fine Silver St Cloud, or maybe Vicky Vale.

Catwoman? Naahh...

[WeaponXProject]

Just to make a point (and this isn't directed at anyone in general), but Nolan will likely base his decision on whether or not he thinks the actor or actress can stand up to a specific role, not necessarily whether or not he or she has earned an Oscar, as that's based a certain group's opinions. Sure, nominations for prestigious awards help a lot, but if Nolan notices someone eyes them for the role, he's going to toss that person into the role. Heath Ledger was the perfect example... What in his career showed that he could become such a psycho like he did as The Joker? Not much, from what I'd seen. Not knocking his abilities, but there's a vast difference between giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a romantic cowboy and giving an Oscar-worthy performance as a mass-murdering psychopath.

You don't have to have "played the role before" to get a role later on in your career, either. I don't get where people get these assumptions as to having certain requirements for a role...

Having done it before, having won an Oscar, looking identical to the character. It's all hilarious, because none of this means that you'll put on an Oscar-worthy performance this time around either.

Ledger did Candy, a strange role. If you watch more Ledger movies you would change your opinion a little more. Ledger hadn't played psychos but it was very rare for him to play the lead, handsome hero. All of Heath movies have characters that were very different. His least notable to me, besides the Order, is A Knight's Tale. Ledger had a variety of characters he played that to me is why Nolan chose him. Ned Kelly, Candy and Lords of Dogtown are more notable reasons for why Nolan noticed Ledger.

I said I did like Dreamers and she was good in it. You didn't even finishing watching it so how can you use that against me?

But having done little to nothing that showed promise is less of a reason to cast someone than casting someone with big time pedigree and an on screen presence that is notable in more than one movie isn't it? That seems pretty logical to me. It's makes more sense to pick someone you know has the capability and I think it is wrong to say that Heath didn't show some capability especially if you have seen the movies I mentioned.

As for Kingdom of Heaven, I thought the movie didn't get enough credit from me but I have a hard time enjoying any movie with Orlando Bloom as the lead :woot:, just like Ned Kelly. I'll have to watch her in that again but I don't remember her much from it.

Like I said to Dr. M above. I haven't seen much of her so it's hard to say she can or can't. What I have seen hasn't been to promising.

In relevance to casting, I would say it's foolish to pick someone for such a big movie with not much experience. But like I said, maybe she's got more to her than we've seen.

Cunning you should check out Candy, Lords of Dogtown and Ned Kelly to see some more of Heath since we can't see him anymore. :csad:

[Majik1387]

Weisz would make a fine Silver St Cloud, or maybe Vicky Vale.

Catwoman? Naahh...
You are crazy to 1. Want to bring in Silver St Cloud, and 2. Downgrade Weisz's capabilities as an actress to a bit part of Vicki Vale.

[Cunning Stunts]

Here is a man with insanely high intelligence. Star power drives many a film, as you've said. Granted, it's not a perfect formula, but it's importance cant be understated, either.

Fixed. :hehe: And that's exactly the point I was trying to make. It doesn't make the movie, but it is one of the primary sources of income for movies nowadays. It's not a foolproof formula, but it's reliable in many cases.


As for Gylenhal, that could be possible. For such an indie actress, her inclusion seemed awkward, even more so than the cutsie out of place Holmes in the first film-at least she was believably attractive.

But what about the Jolie following. She's been nominated twice now for academy awards, and has already one won, she'll probably win this year too. She has the right look and the right intensity for the role of Catwoman, and she has the wide appeal....so how is the following ********.

The main problem as i see it , is people here get sick of seeing the same faces, Even if they have the talent that passes the test of time, and then go about thinking they are innovative by overthing about less known actresses, thinking how excellent and individual, and unexplored treasures their tastes are.

Got nothing against marion, had her for dinner last night, LOL, but she's not going anywhere.

I do agree that Jolie is a good actress, but I also think she's a bit overrated. Her looks and her family are primarily what got her here in the first place. I wouldn't boycott Batman 3 if she was chosen as Catwoman, but I'd feel a little disappointed, as I feel someone else could do what she can and so much more... Plus, call me crazy if you want, but I don't see her matching well with Christian Bale (it would feel too much like a horny teenager [Bale] chasing a sexy adult [Jolie], to summarize it), and I think chemistry with Christian Bale will be the first thing Nolan looks at after acting ability/ability to fit into the role is assessed.

[Laderlappen]

2.- You'd actually be shocked as to how much star power can draw money in the box office. To be honest, in most cases, you're flat out wrong here. Sure, big stars have flops, but even flops can get tons of money.

7.- Just my two cents, but her injection into this movie likely had ties to the fact that she was a good friend of Ledger's. A lot of people get into the business and certain movies this way.

2. By flop I mean a movie that lost money.
7. That is possible. But nobody forced them to cast her(if that is now true).

[WeaponXProject]

Bale is older than Jolie and they look the same age. Bale has started to show a little age lately...

[RockyBatboa]

Just for the record, I'm a straight female, so I have no fanboy salivatory interest in Marion Cotillard, and I totally agree with what Laderlappen said. She IS one of the best well-known actresses in the world, and has just as much acclaim (if not more) than Heath Ledger did before he was cast as the Joker. And I've explained in length several times in this thread why I believe that not only is she a viable choice for this role, but she is one of the most viable choices.

And just because you're unfamiliar with her doesn't rule her out or make her any less viable an option.

ETA: Cunning, it's true that La Vie En Rose is the first role that brought her American acclaim, but she had plenty of international acclaim for roles prior to that as well (as you can see by checking out her awards at IMDB).

Damn, some people just are not literate. I never said that i was unfamiliar with her, i said MOST people are unaware of her, that she has yet to attain WIDE appeal. Why is this so difficult to understand??

Your opinions concerning her talent are not any more valid b/c you are a woman-everyone's tastes are equally fair.

But you are simply in error when you claim statements like cotillard having the same success or popularity Ledger had. You have to look BEYOND your own particular tastes and the likes/dislikes of you friend base to comprehend what i'm saying. apparently you are uncapable of doing this as of yet.

Do a little research.

[RockyBatboa]

I know whatn this will lead to. A discussion that goes on forever and ends up nowhere. Its also impossible to discuss with RockyBatboa because his respondses to facts are 'no it isnt', he lays down incorrect facts, and at last makes you when you prove him wronimmature insults at g.

And no Jolie is not gonna win an oscar this year. She was lucky to be nominated. Its actually one of the most disliked nominated performances of this year. No offence Jolie fans.


LOL!

Pot calling kettle black! When have you ever proven me wrong about anything??

And now you can read the future too? Jolie wont win, you say?

My bet is on her, so i want an official retraction and "i was wrong" statement from you if she does.

[Cunning Stunts]

Ledger did Candy, a strange role. If you watch more Ledger movies you would change your opinion a little more. Ledger hadn't played psychos but it was very rare for him to play the lead, handsome hero. All of Heath movies have characters that were very different. His least notable to me, besides the Order, is A Knight's Tale. Ledger had a variety of characters he played that to me is why Nolan chose him. Ned Kelly, Candy and Lords of Dogtown are more notable reasons for why Nolan noticed Ledger.

I don't really see how this debates what I said...

I said I did like Dreamers and she was good in it. You didn't even finishing watching it so how can you use that against me?

I wasn't using it against you, I was asking why you didn't like it. A harmless question.

But having done little to nothing that showed promise is less of a reason to cast someone than casting someone with big time pedigree and an on screen presence that is notable in more than one movie isn't it? That seems pretty logical to me. It's makes more sense to pick someone you know has the capability and I think it is wrong to say that Heath didn't show some capability especially if you have seen the movies I mentioned.

Not showing promise is not the same thing as not getting Oscars/Oscar Nominations. And I'm not saying that Heath never showed potential, I'm just saying that The Joker's role was VASTLY different from Heath's past roles, especially that of which he drew his most attention from in Brokeback Mountain. Nolan has shown he's very good at assessing what an actor is capable of without having had to see that actor play that particular role and get an Oscar nom for it.

As for Kingdom of Heaven, I thought the movie didn't get enough credit from me but I have a hard time enjoying any movie with Orlando Bloom as the lead :woot:, just like Ned Kelly. I'll have to watch her in that again but I don't remember her much from it.

I agree about Orlando... I'm not really his biggest fan. I don't hate the guy, but I don't care for the guy either. That said, Eva and Orlando were quite a nice fit for each other in the movie, and she was quite mysteriously attractive (not physically, but her character in general) in the movie.

Like I said to Dr. M above. I haven't seen much of her so it's hard to say she can or can't. What I have seen hasn't been to promising.

To each his own, I guess, man... But I'm personally a big fan of hers, from all angles... Especially her n00d scenes. :p But on a serious note, I loved her as Vesper, she was pretty good as Sybilla, and from what I've seen in The Dreamers, she was quite nice, nudity and sexual attraction aside. Also, I think she would be the most perfect fit for Bale (this is just a gut instinct on it, and there's no true way to measure this but to put the two together) chemistry-wise... Which I feel is one of the biggest musts for Batman's next love interest, especially if it should be intense as Catwoman and Batman have proven to be in the comics.

In relevance to casting, I would say it's foolish to pick someone for such a big movie with not much experience. But like I said, maybe she's got more to her than we've seen.

Just because they haven't done that much in Hollywood doesn't mean they don't have much experience. Take Orlando Bloom for example (not a great actor in my opinion, but was a perfect fit for Legolas). Sure, he'd done movies before Lord of the Rings, but he was picked up from a stage-acting school to star in the trilogy.

Cunning you should check out Candy, Lords of Dogtown and Ned Kelly to see some more of Heath since we can't see him anymore. :csad:

I've tried to find Lords of Dogtown, but haven't been able to... As for the other two, I've heard of them but I never even know Heath was in them... Slap me, I know. :(

[RockyBatboa]

You are crazy to 1. Want to bring in Silver St Cloud, and 2. Downgrade Weisz's capabilities as an actress to a bit part of Vicki Vale.

Defensive, much?

I'm so sorry to have de-deified The Great Rachel Wiezs or to even possibly suggest cloud or vale as characters added in a future Batman movie, especially in the wake of such a versatile and complex character as rachel dawes.:whatever:

[Laderlappen]

LOL!

Pot calling kettle black! When have you ever proven me wrong about anything??

And now you can read the future too? Jolie wont win, you say?

My bet is on her, so i want an official retraction and "i was wrong" statement from you if she does.Its not impossible because she IS nominated. Just extremely improbable.

[Cunning Stunts]

2. By flop I mean a movie that lost money.
7. That is possible. But nobody forced them to cast her(if that is now true).

2. Gotcha. My mistake.

7. I agree... I sincerely believe Nolan (as with most respectable directors) will do what they feel is best. Maggie had connections, a credible voucher, and a pretty impressive resume.

So, how many actors has Nolan worked with that have won oscars?:word:

How many that have been nominated? Check it out, you may be suprised.

Sure, talent plays a part. Being appropriate for the role. Would you cast Joe Pesci as Batman? Now, that would be ridiculous.

I'm more than aware that they're almost all (if not all) at least nominated, and I never doubted that for a second. That said, that doesn't mean anything if Nolan notices someone who particularly catches his eyes/ears. It's all going to be up to what he believes that actor can do with and without his direction.

And you're just twisting what I said out of proportion. I honestly don't think Joe Pesci would be capable of playing Batman.

Just for the record, I'm a straight female, so I have no fanboy salivatory interest in Marion Cotillard, and I totally agree with what Laderlappen said. She IS one of the best well-known actresses in the world, and has just as much acclaim (if not more) than Heath Ledger did before he was cast as the Joker. And I've explained in length several times in this thread why I believe that not only is she a viable choice for this role, but she is one of the most viable choices.

And just because you're unfamiliar with her doesn't rule her out or make her any less viable an option.

ETA: Cunning, it's true that La Vie En Rose is the first role that brought her American acclaim, but she had plenty of international acclaim for roles prior to that as well (as you can see by checking out her awards at IMDB).

I'm not saying that I haven't heard of her, so she can't be famous... I actually felt kind of dumb being so big into acting and theatrical works that I hadn't heard of such a wonderful actress that apparently everyone else on the Hype has known about for a while.

I'll let you all know what I think of her once I watch the film. I'm not doubting her abilities at all, I've just learned that trying to gauge an actor's abilities based on what I read here is just... Well, to put it bluntly, not smart. :p

[RockyBatboa]

Fixed. :hehe: And that's exactly the point I was trying to make. It doesn't make the movie, but it is one of the primary sources of income for movies nowadays. It's not a foolproof formula, but it's reliable in many cases.

WE couldnt agree more, my insanely, migraine-inducingly intelligent friend.:yay:



I do agree that Jolie is a good actress, but I also think she's a bit overrated. Her looks and her family are primarily what got her here in the first place. I wouldn't boycott Batman 3 if she was chosen as Catwoman, but I'd feel a little disappointed, as I feel someone else could do what she can and so much more... Plus, call me crazy if you want, but I don't see her matching well with Christian Bale (it would feel too much like a horny teenager [Bale] chasing a sexy adult [Jolie], to summarize it), and I think chemistry with Christian Bale will be the first thing Nolan looks at after acting ability/ability to fit into the role is assessed.


Dont get me wrong, i dont think jolie is the best actress out there. Call me a fiend if you will, but that honer is reserved to Meryel streep-humility aside. BUT, Streep would be no good for catwoman. see my point?

Sometimes, you dont just look for the 'perfect' person, you look for the right person, and the best situation, the best compatability between actor and role. Sometimes you try to be innovative. Is Cotillard innovative? No. Is Jolie-obviously not.

Would her and Bale have chemistry? I dont know, did bale and ledger? I didnt see much. Granted , chemistry is more important between batman and catwoman, but how much is needed. I'm not going with the destined dto be lovers angle, i'm going with the sexual friction, mortal enemies angle, and i think it could work.

What sais, you? still not convinced? Give it some time, you'll come to see things my way in time.:word:

[RockyBatboa]

Its not impossible because she IS nominated. Just extremely improbable.


But wait a sec...you just wrote "no, she wont win."

That's a definitive statement, made before any results are in.

And that was right after your accusation of my supposed closed-mindedness and your outright LIE that people give me facts, and i dismiss them with "no it isnt."

Then you make a statement that is the very DEFINITION of non-factual, and NOW, you're brushing it under the rug.

You, sir, are being cretinous.:cmad:

[elgato]

[/B]

We know one thing for sure. Catwoman will DEFINITELY be in this movie.:woot:

Oh I wish...imagine how a movie with another great, iconic Catwoman performance would be, but I don't think Nolan will find a better choice than Marion, she's the perfect choice for Catwoman, can't find a deffect at all :woot:

[Cunning Stunts]

Lol... I've basically already said what you've said in your first sentence. You're just repeating what I did. No offense, dude...

What I'm ultimately getting at is that I think Jolie would not only be the easy pick for the role, but we wouldn't see anything else out of Angelina than what she's already shown us. I don't see her slamming Catwoman out of the park.

I feel that Catwoman DESERVES that in Batman 3, given Rachel's bad writing, and all doubt against Catwoman a lot of people have (passing the character off simply as Batman's sexy seductress of a lover). I want to see this character wind up in the 2011 Oscars ceremony, because I think if Catwoman's role is solidified as a legit one in these movies (face it, Rachel was kind of a joke... I honestly wished the character was done a little better), that could help to cement the rest of the movie... Provided the rest of the movie is done well.

I think Rachel's use as a plot device is what hurt her character most... I don't want the same to happen to Selina, and I don't see Angelina playing the character much further than at her basest levels.

[Laderlappen]

But wait a sec...you just wrote "no, she wont win."

That's a definitive statement, made before any results are in.

And that was right after your accusation of my supposed closed-mindedness and your outright LIE that people give me facts, and i dismiss them with "no it isnt."

Then you make a statement that is the very DEFINITION of non-factual, and NOW, you're brushing it under the rug.

You, sir, are being cretinous.:cmad:Now you're just looking for things to argue about. You know exactly what I meant.

[flickchick85]

I also feel the need to reiterate what I and Laderlappen have said in the past: that if the estimated release date of the installment is accurate (summer 2011), then it'll be shooting in the summer of next year. Which means this role, assuming it's in the film, would be cast early next year. Cotillard's got major roles in two very high profile American films THIS year: one summer blockbuster with Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, and Billy Crudup (where her role is easily larger than Crudup's and easily on par with Bale's), and one star-studded Oscar-bait musical. And she's already won just about every major acting award under the sun. By the time the casting for this movie comes around, she'll be at just the right level of fame and credibility to be a top consideration.

[RockyBatboa]

I'm more than aware that they're almost all (if not all) at least nominated, and I never doubted that for a second. That said, that doesn't mean anything if Nolan notices someone who particularly catches his eyes/ears. It's all going to be up to what he believes that actor can do with and without his direction.

And you're just twisting what I said out of proportion. I honestly don't think Joe Pesci would be capable of playing Batman.


Granted. Oscar love is not a neccesary condition for Nolan casting, and i wasnt saying that it was. I was just making the point that Nolan does look at actors who have wide appeal, paticularly those with talented who have been given oscar attention. Some folks around here live in a dream that Nolan goes only for the indie fave of the month, and that simply isnt true.

My bad. The pesci comment was a loaded gun, and i apologize. but i wasnt twisting your words, just giving an exaggerated example. It was tasteless though. I could have used a better example.

That being said, i respect you and understand and agree with a lot of what you've said.

[batboy99]

I know whatn this will lead to. A discussion that goes on forever and ends up nowhere. Its also impossible to discuss with RockyBatboa because his respondses to facts are 'no it isnt', he lays down incorrect facts, and at last makes immature insults at you when you prove him wrong.

And no Jolie is not gonna win an oscar this year. She was lucky to be nominated. Its actually one of the most disliked nominated performances of this year. No offence Jolie fans.
By who? I thought she did a very good job in Changeling. Defineltly getting back to her old routes. Asm uch as I ove Jolie though, I want Winslet to win. Its long over due for her.

[Cunning Stunts]

Now that this is all said and done. Seth Rogen for Riddler!

You may commence stoning. :cool:

[flickchick85]

Damn, some people just are not literate. I never said that i was unfamiliar with her, i said MOST people are unaware of her, that she has yet to attain WIDE appeal. Why is this so difficult to understand??

Your opinions concerning her talent are not any more valid b/c you are a woman-everyone's tastes are equally fair.

But you are simply in error when you claim statements like cotillard having the same success or popularity Ledger had. You have to look BEYOND your own particular tastes and the likes/dislikes of you friend base to comprehend what i'm saying. apparently you are uncapable of doing this as of yet.

Do a little research.
Wow, you call me "not literate" and then you completely twist my words from "she has as much acclaim as Heath Ledger" to "She has just has much success and popularity" because acclaim and success/popularity? SO not the same things.

And I wasn't saying that my opinion was more valid because I'm a woman. I was refuting your dismissal that Laderlappen's opinions were somehow just "fanboy salivating." Because I share those opinions, and I have no reason to salivate over her.

And if I misread your familiarity with Cotillard, I apologize. You just sounded like you were fairly unfamiliar with her, and I jumped to conclusions. That hardly makes me illiterate, but it was my mistake, sorry.

[RockyBatboa]

Lol... I've basically already said what you've said in your first sentence. You're just repeating what I did. No offense, dude...

What I'm ultimately getting at is that I think Jolie would not only be the easy pick for the role, but we wouldn't see anything else out of Angelina than what she's already shown us. I don't see her slamming Catwoman out of the park.

I feel that Catwoman DESERVES that in Batman 3, given Rachel's bad writing, and all doubt against Catwoman a lot of people have (passing the character off simply as Batman's sexy seductress of a lover). I want to see this character wind up in the 2011 Oscars ceremony, because I think if Catwoman's role is solidified as a legit one in these movies (face it, Rachel was kind of a joke... I honestly wished the character was done a little better), that could help to cement the rest of the movie... Provided the rest of the movie is done well.

I think Rachel's use as a plot device is what hurt her character most... I don't want the same to happen to Selina, and I don't see Angelina playing the character much further than at her basest levels.

Oh ye, of little memory. I'm the first one to have said it, in my defense of some other whats-his-name on this board. Remember? Then you responded to him with points 2 and 7 quotes in your first post? it was only after THAT that i repeated you repeating ME...LOL. and the cycle continues....:hehe: (no offense taken)

As for Jolie, common , dude, you're selling her short just a tad. Just admit it, you dont Particularly like her, but that ultimately she's got just the right balance of talent, looks, and audience excitement factor to make this role the role of a lifetime. You just think that casting her is the obvious choice, you're looking for the road less traveled, trying to go the "innovative casting" route-and look, I respect that.

But, who are you really suggesting?

[Laderlappen]

By who? I thought she did a very good job in Changeling. Defineltly getting back to her old routes. Asm uch as I ove Jolie though, I want Winslet to win. Its long over due for her.I have no opinion on her performance because I have not seen the movie. I hang around on Oscar Buzz on imdb and other oscar-sites. Its one of the most complained about nominations of the year and the majority seems to think she should have gotten in for A Mighty Heart instead.

[Cunning Stunts]

I suggested Eva Green and Rachel Weisz.

I don't dislike Angelina, really. I think she's gorgeous, and she's a good actress... Just that she's pretty overrated too. As an actor, I don't think she's as good as the Hype's posters make her out to be.

[RockyBatboa]

Oh I wish...imagine how a movie with another great, iconic Catwoman performance would be, but I don't think Nolan will find a better choice than Marion, she's the perfect choice for Catwoman, can't find a deffect at all :woot:


oh, catwoman's a lock, no doubt about it. It's definite.:grin:

I dont think Nolan we'll even be able to locate Marion, let alone cast her.

Thankfully, we've got pitchhitter Jolie, and thats something that you cant possibly refute or argue with me concerning, since we're so like-minded.:woot:

[RockyBatboa]

Now you're just looking for things to argue about. You know exactly what I meant.


No, actually, i meant every word i said. and I pointed out your hypocritical nature concerning me. Bite it, or quit being an ass.

[flickchick85]

I keep forgetting to add that Rachel Weisz would be a great choice, too, btw. :D

[RockyBatboa]

I also feel the need to reiterate what I and Laderlappen have said in the past: that if the estimated release date of the installment is accurate (summer 2011), then it'll be shooting in the summer of next year. Which means this role, assuming it's in the film, would be cast early next year. Cotillard's got major roles in two very high profile American films THIS year: one summer blockbuster with Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, and Billy Crudup (where her role is easily larger than Crudup's and easily on par with Bale's), and one star-studded Oscar-bait musical. And she's already won just about every major acting award under the sun. By the time the casting for this movie comes around, she'll be at just the right level of fame and credibility to be a top consideration.


Fair enough. We'll see. I'm definitely rooting for her, i just dont see it happening. She's a fine actress, just doesnt have that extra ingredient.

[RockyBatboa]

Wow, you call me "not literate" and then you completely twist my words from "she has as much acclaim as Heath Ledger" to "She has just has much success and popularity" because acclaim and success/popularity? SO not the same things.

And I wasn't saying that my opinion was more valid because I'm a woman. I was refuting your dismissal that Laderlappen's opinions were somehow just "fanboy salivating." Because I share those opinions, and I have no reason to salivate over her.

And if I misread your familiarity with Cotillard, I apologize. You just sounded like you were fairly unfamiliar with her, and I jumped to conclusions. That hardly makes me illiterate, but it was my mistake, sorry.

First off, you used the word "pedigree". Maybe i misunderstood you, or maybe you're unclear what the word means.

You could have reasons to salviate, but that's a private matter, and i dont have prying eyes. Seriously. But i take you for your word. you just genuinely admire her talent, and i respect that.

Illiterate might not have been the right word, but you clearly hadnt correctly read what i wrote.

No biggie.

[Crook]

And now you can read the future too? Jolie wont win, you say?

My bet is on her, so i want an official retraction and "i was wrong" statement from you if she does.
I liked her performance, but this year's competition is tough. Streep and Hathaway are the front-runners for that category. I don't think she's even won a single award in the major ceremonies. Her chances of winning are very slim.


What I'm ultimately getting at is that I think Jolie would not only be the easy pick for the role, but we wouldn't see anything else out of Angelina than what she's already shown us. I don't see her slamming Catwoman out of the park.
Considering many seem to chastise her for failing in the role of the alluring femme fatale, I think there's plenty Jolie can show to wow audiences. Let's face it, her truly good performances had little to do with vanity. And they were all dramatic, almost sullen roles. Selina is the other end of that spectrum. If she can nail that in a different way, then that of itself would be a massive success.

I feel that Catwoman DESERVES that in Batman 3, given Rachel's bad writing, and all doubt against Catwoman a lot of people have (passing the character off simply as Batman's sexy seductress of a lover). I want to see this character wind up in the 2011 Oscars ceremony, because I think if Catwoman's role is solidified as a legit one in these movies (face it, Rachel was kind of a joke... I honestly wished the character was done a little better), that could help to cement the rest of the movie... Provided the rest of the movie is done well.
Don't hold your breath. Catwoman's a great character, but I don't know if she'd ever really be considered Oscar-material. But hell, even if Nolan pulls it off, we all know the Academy won't recognize it.

Unless said actress dies in a tragic accident, while simultaneously giving the performance of a lifetime. Though lightning won't strike twice, I assume.

Granted. Oscar love is not a neccesary condition for Nolan casting, and i wasnt saying that it was. I was just making the point that Nolan does look at actors who have wide appeal, paticularly those with talented who have been given oscar attention. Some folks around here live in a dream that Nolan goes only for the indie fave of the month, and that simply isnt true.
I just cannot agree with this paragraph at all. The actors cast in the biggest roles of these movies (Bruce, Harv, Rachel, Joker) were taken on by actors that had NO wide appeal. Limited, at best.

-Bale had a cult following as a serious actor, but wasn't getting anywhere major
-Eckhart wasn't even on the radar
-Holmes was riding on the wave of a long-gone teen show
-Maggie is an indie girl with not terribly appeasing features for general audiences
-Ledger was also on an indie run after gaining some reasonable success early on in his career as a hearth-throb

These guys certainly didn't draw in audiences. Every single person here (sans Ledger) would not have been known by a casual movie-goer if going by their name.

I believe it was Nolan who once cited Richard Donner as an influence in how he approached this franchise. Coincidentally enough, Donner followed a similar method in casting his roles. Which is, cast relative newcomers/unknowns in the big roles, and surround them with acting vets for supporting. If you compare the cast listing for both of their movies, you'd see just how similar they were. It's an effective means of casting.

[Laderlappen]

No, actually, i meant every word i said. and I pointed out your hypocritical nature concerning me. Bite it, or quit being an ass.Its not a fact just like this isnt a fact:
oh, catwoman's a lock, no doubt about it. It's definite.

Why is it important to you that the producers will earn a little bit more money? Nolan will cast whoever he want. Lets say Jolie and Marion are the choices. If he choses Jolie, he wont make more money. If the movie makes a 750M$ or 800$, his salary will be the same. Nolan will chose the actor he thinks is best for the part.

Why do you think Marion got cast in Public Enemies and Nine? They could have picked a bigger box-office draw, but they picked Marion.

Are there anybody else here that have fame and popularity as a factor in their casting?

[RockyBatboa]

cunning stunts, flickachicka-


Weisz? Why? She's so demure, so sublime, so...normal.

What about her just screams, "Weisz. Catwoman. Make it happen!"

[RockyBatboa]

Its not a fact just like this isnt a fact:


Why is it important to you that the producers will earn a little bit more money? Nolan will cast whoever he want. Lets say Jolie and Marion are the choices. If he choses Jolie, he wont make more money. If the movie makes a 750M$ or 800$, his salary will be the same. Nolan will chose the actor he thinks is best for the part.

Why do you think Marion got cast in Public Enemies and Nine? They could have picked a bigger box-office draw, but they picked Marion.

Are there anybody else here that have fame and popularity as a factor in their casting?


LOL!

Have you NO understanding of frame of context?? The "Catwoman's a lock" was a joke, ass, an exaggeration. That wasnt even messaged to you, it was messaged to someone else who was ribbing me concerning cotillard , in the same way i was ribbing him about jolie.....sheesh!

Why are you still confusing your deifying of Cottilard with defenses against my preference for Jolie and sound reasons for it?

Do you think i really will be upset if marion is cast?? NO! I wont. She's a fine actress.

[Cunning Stunts]

Considering many seem to chastise her for failing in the role of the alluring femme fatale, I think there's plenty Jolie can show to wow audiences. Let's face it, her truly good performances had little to do with vanity. And they were all dramatic, almost sullen roles. Selina is the other end of that spectrum. If she can nail that in a different way, then that of itself would be a massive success.

We must be reading from different forums, dude, cuz I constantly hear chat about her "being perfect for Catwoman" because of her "natural" ability to play the alluring femme fatale... Both on the boards and off.

Don't hold your breath. Catwoman's a great character, but I don't know if she'd ever really be considered Oscar-material. But hell, even if Nolan pulls it off, we all know the Academy won't recognize it.

Unless said actress dies in a tragic accident, while simultaneously giving the performance of a lifetime. Though lightning won't strike twice, I assume.

I'm not holding it all, believe me... I sincerely doubt that it will happen, I just would more than love to see the character be approached the same way Heath approached The Joker in The Dark Knight. It feels like Catwoman gets an unfair rap because of the stereotype she fits into, when in actuality, she's a much more dynamic character than that.

I agree 100% in that I doubt the character will get recognition regardless of how well it's played, but that doesn't meant it shouldn't be approached in hopes that it does.

[Cunning Stunts]

cunning stunts, flickachicka-


Weisz? Why? She's so demure, so sublime, so...normal.

What about her just screams, "Weisz. Catwoman. Make it happen!"

Because she's a great actress... She's quite diverse, and although she's a tad older than Bale, she'd likely be a nice fit for him.

[Majik1387]

She's older than Bale? She doesn't look it.

[Cunning Stunts]

Yessuh, she's 38 (so not by much). Quite the beauty, especially for almost 40, isn't she?

[Laderlappen]

LOL!

Have you NO understanding of frame of context?? The "Catwoman's a lock" was a joke, ass, an exaggeration. That wasnt even messaged to you, it was messaged to someone else who was ribbing me concerning cotillard , in the same way i was ribbing him about jolie.....sheesh!

Why are you still confusing your deifying of Cottilard with defenses against my preference for Jolie and sound reasons for it?

Do you think i really will be upset if marion is cast?? NO! I wont. She's a fine actress.Exactly.

If you want Jolie because you think she's best for the part, thats fine. Chosing an actress that is not your fav choice is crazy talk. I just wondered why anybody should do that.

[RockyBatboa]

I liked her performance, but this year's competition is tough. Streep and Hathaway are the front-runners for that category. I don't think she's even won a single award in the major ceremonies. Her chances of winning are very slim.


Considering many seem to chastise her for failing in the role of the alluring femme fatale, I think there's plenty Jolie can show to wow audiences. Let's face it, her truly good performances had little to do with vanity. And they were all dramatic, almost sullen roles. Selina is the other end of that spectrum. If she can nail that in a different way, then that of itself would be a massive success.


Don't hold your breath. Catwoman's a great character, but I don't know if she'd ever really be considered Oscar-material. But hell, even if Nolan pulls it off, we all know the Academy won't recognize it.

Unless said actress dies in a tragic accident, while simultaneously giving the performance of a lifetime. Though lightning won't strike twice, I assume.


I just cannot agree with this paragraph at all. The actors cast in the biggest roles of these movies (Bruce, Harv, Rachel, Joker) were taken on by actors that had NO wide appeal. Limited, at best.

-Bale had a cult following as a serious actor, but wasn't getting anywhere major
-Eckhart wasn't even on the radar
-Holmes was riding on the wave of a long-gone teen show
-Maggie is an indie girl with not terribly appeasing features for general audiences
-Ledger was also on an indie run after gaining some reasonable success early on in his career as a hearth-throb

These guys certainly didn't draw in audiences. Every single person here (sans Ledger) would not have been known by a casual movie-goer if going by their name.

I believe it was Nolan who once cited Richard Donner as an influence in how he approached this franchise. Coincidentally enough, Donner followed a similar method in casting his roles. Which is, cast relative newcomers/unknowns in the big roles, and surround them with acting vets for supporting. If you compare the cast listing for both of their movies, you'd see just how similar they were. It's an effective means of casting.

Jolie Oscar runner underDOG? Great! Her chances have just improved 10-fold.:word:

As for Nolan, i'm aware that he modeled Batman Begins casting after Donner's superman.

It's true Bale had NO wide appeal, and his career was almost done-he was cast basically for his committment to roles that involved psychology and anger, and b/c he was the fan fave, and Nolan knew that.

Eckhard carved a small career out for himself in indie roles, but in the five years before Begins, he started to make a bigger name for himself. In fact, buzz was building so much, the role of a lifetime was just waiting to happen.

Holmes was known by just about everyone on the planet, tv show good graces or not, and Ledger had become a star/leading man long before DK, despite still alternating between the mainstream and the indie markets.

As for the veteran castings, you're kind of agreeing with me in a disagreeing way, but that's ok. You're bright and have intersting things to say, so i say, more power to you.:word:

[Crook]

We must be reading from different forums, dude, cuz I constantly hear chat about her "being perfect for Catwoman" because of her "natural" ability to play the alluring femme fatale... Both on the boards and off.
Well...yes and no. Perfect for Catwoman in the sense that in pure looks and natural presence, she has it for this role. And she can act.

The argument against her, is that when she plays the femme fatale role, it's not very deep and comes off as one-note. I personally attribute that to the director and writing, and not necessarily on Jolie herself. There's only so much you can work with on paper. The tough seductress roles she had, were either thinly or badly written. Not much you can do about that.

On the other hand, when given material that shines....she shines. With the Nolans, I'm gonna wager they can give out that shine. In turn, I think Jolie would more than deliver.

I'm not holding it all, believe me... I sincerely doubt that it will happen, I just would more than love to see the character be approached the same way Heath approached The Joker in The Dark Knight. It feels like Catwoman gets an unfair rap because of the stereotype she fits into, when in actuality, she's a much more dynamic character than that.
More dynamic than the stereotype that she practically created, yes. As dynamic or electric as what the Joker can provide? Not so much. Selina's an interesting character, no doubt. But I feel her greatness is largely owed to Batman, and the dilemmas their relationship strains from their inherent differences.

I agree 100% in that I doubt the character will get recognition regardless of how well it's played, but that doesn't meant it shouldn't be approached in hopes that it does.
Completely agreed there.

She's older than Bale? She doesn't look it.
I last saw her in 'The Fountain' and she looked relatively old there.

[RockyBatboa]

Because she's a great actress... She's quite diverse, and although she's a tad older than Bale, she'd likely be a nice fit for him.


Fair enough...

But i have to say, of all the suggestions, wiesz seems to me the most unflattering to the role. She's not particularly exiting, and i cant see her jumping out at the audience in the way jolie or theron would.

Catwoman has to bedazzel and throttle the audience, and weisz seems more like she'd just flirt with them a little bit, maybe perplex them a tad.

That being said, she's actually one of my personal favorite actresses, but i just cant see her as catwoman.

[Blackman]

I'm really liking the idea of Eva Green

Who are everyone's top 5 choices for catwoman
(no order)

Kate Beckinsale
Eva Green
Michelle Monaghan
Keri Russell
and Im not sure about my 5th choice

[flickchick85]

Fair enough. We'll see. I'm definitely rooting for her, i just dont see it happening. She's a fine actress, just doesnt have that extra ingredient.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that last part. Just out of curiosity, have you seen her in A Very Long Engagement, Love Me if You Dare, or Pretty Things? Because while her performance in La Vie En Rose was phenomenal, it was actually those performances that made me think, "hey, she could be a great Catwoman."

As for the other stuff, I agree we just misunderstood each other a couple of times and we can just leave it at that.:yay:

And as for Weisz, I used to think she was too bland and reserved for this role, but her recent role in Definitely, Maybe (where she was a rebellious, intelligent free-spirit), and seeing her go outside her comfort zone and be so loose and, for a lack of a better word, fun, in the trailer for The Brothers Bloom, made me rethink that stance. Couple that with the opinion I already had from The Constant Gardener and The Fountain that she's a very good actress and the feeling that she and Bale would probably go well together, and you have why I think she'd be a great choice. Not as great as Cotillard or maybe Theron, but I would certainly be pretty happy if she were cast.

[RockyBatboa]

Exactly.

If you want Jolie because you think she's best for the part, thats fine. Chosing an actress that is not your fav choice is crazy talk. I just wondered why anybody should do that.


Wasnt trying to push my preference on you, just elaborating on how i think casting finds the most success, and helps the movie the most.

If Cotillard is cast, cool. but i seriously think it would be an unwise choice. pointless to think about,b/c incredibly unlikely Nolan will cast her.

But i wouldnt be upset if she was cast.

And you probably wouldnt be too upset if Jolie was cast, especially if she knocked your socks off with a mind-boggling intrepretation.:word:

[Crook]

Jolie Oscar runner underDOG? Great! Her chances have just improved 10-fold.:word:
Going by this reasoning, Ledger is going to fail terribly come Oscar-time. :p

As for Nolan, i'm aware that he modeled Batman Begins casting after Donner's superman.

It's true Bale had NO wide appeal, and his career was almost done-he was cast basically for his committment to roles that involved psychology and anger, and b/c he was the fan fave, and Nolan knew that.
Yes, he had the acting chops with mental and physical intensity required for the role. Despite his lack of Hollywood status, he was cast to headline the major franchise. We can agree this is a pretty big contradiction to the method of "cast actors with wide appeal", yes?

Eckhard carved a small career out for himself in indie roles, but in the five years before Begins, he started to make a bigger name for himself. In fact, buzz was building so much, the role of a lifetime was just waiting to happen.
Bigger, how? What was this buzz you speak of? His biggest role was in 'Thank You For Smoking', which was a reasonably successful low-budget flick. But he didn't really hit any sort of stride since then. He was stuck in supporting roles, and in movies that made no significant impact.

Holmes was known by just about everyone on the planet, tv show good graces or not,
Known, yes. Wide appeal? Highly arguable. There were plenty of naysayers for her.


and Ledger had become a star/leading man long before DK, despite still alternating between the mainstream and the indie markets.
He was leading-man, but it didn't last long. As I said, it started "great" for him, but it fizzled into obscurity. Before BM his filmography was actually pretty unimpressive with one or two gems here and there. Even then, he played minor roles.

As for the veteran castings, you're kind of agreeing with me in a disagreeing way, but that's ok. You're bright and have intersting things to say, so i say, more power to you.:word:
I appreciate the compliment. It's a pleasure to converse with you as well. As for the agreement/disagreement, that can go either way. Nolan has cast well-known actors, but given that they're supporting it doesn't weigh in as much. But yeah he's certainly conscious of certain "name choices", otherwise this entire cast would have been full of newbie actors.

[RockyBatboa]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that last part. Just out of curiosity, have you seen her in A Very Long Engagement, Love Me if You Dare, or Pretty Things? Because while her performance in La Vie En Rose was phenomenal, it was actually those performances that made me think, "hey, she could be a great Catwoman."

As for the other stuff, I agree we just misunderstood each other a couple of times and we can just leave it at that.:yay:

And as for Weisz, I used to think she was too bland and reserved for this role, but her recent role in Definitely, Maybe (where she was a rebellious, intelligent free-spirit), and seeing her go outside her comfort zone and be so loose and, for a lack of a better word, fun, in the trailer for The Brothers Bloom, made me rethink that stance. Couple that with the opinion I already had from The Constant Gardener and The Fountain that she's a very good actress and the feeling that she and Bale would probably go well together, and you have why I think she'd be a great choice. Not as great as Cotillard or maybe Theron, but I would certainly be pretty happy if she were cast.


Yeah, i'm not saying cotillard CANT play Catwoman, and i think i already made that clear, i'm saying she isnt the actress that would have the most impact or the wide appeal to satisfy the general audiences curiosity.:cwink:

As for Weisz, she's probably in my top 5 actresses of the last ten years,but even in some of her more brazen performances, she still comes across restrained to me, maybe it's all in her subconcious. some actresses just have a difficult time loosening up enough to really let loose. I find her to be quite pleasant , but not in a way that demands my attention, just eases me into it.

Now, Theron, we can definitely see eye to eye on, b/c she has that specific quality i was just referring to: she engages the audience, and she doesnt hold back AT ALL.

[Crook]

Yeah, i'm not saying cotillard CANT play Catwoman, and i think i already made that clear, i'm saying she isnt the actress that would have the most impact or the wide appeal to satisfy the general audiences curiosity.:cwink:
Not to demean the character in any way, but what the audience immediately expects when seeing Catwoman is sex appeal and a dangerous free spirit. Truth be told, this could be laid out just with a couple promo shots and a few seconds of footage. It doesn't take much.

Equate this to Ledger. I will uphold the notion that Ledger was under-the-radar to the better part of the general audience, when he was first cast as Joker. The reveal of his turn in this movie was integral into how the world would accept a Joker, post-Nicholson. We got some cryptic viral messages of how the character was written, shown a drastically new and deranged look, heard a creepy new voice, and eventually footage-galore of a modern Joker never before seen.

What's important about all this? No one cared about Ledger. They were there for Joker. That's what they saw. You could've left his name out of all the promo material, no one would have blinked an eye and no one would have the slightest clue as to who this actor was. But it didn't matter because just looking at this new Joker was absolutely magnetic.

That's what can happen here. Marion may have not have the attention of American audiences, but if she can NAIL the recognizable traits of the character in a fresh package...it won't matter. TDK is already the most watched film of the decade. Catwoman is the most recognized female character in comic book mythos. The actress' name won't be the slightest factor in determining if movie-goers will go to a sequel with Selina. The audience is already hooked and the characters are proven to be popular. Half the work is practically done for them.

We know Marion has the skill to pull this off with flying colors. Basically what's left for completion is probably the easiest; make her look damn sexy on-screen. :funny:

[flickchick85]

I agree with Crook. I'd love for Catwoman to be a surprise to the audience. And while I think most of the general audience would at least be familiar Marion's name by the time this movie gets made, I think she could nail this performance so well that she'd be a household name come release time.

I think Theron can do this, too, but as far as Catwoman-like qualities go, Marion seems to project more of a sense of danger than Theron, imo, which is the main aspect that pushes her over Charlize for me. But I definitely agree Rocky that Charlize would make an excellent choice, too.

And while this technically shouldn't be a factor in the casting imo, it's being discussed, so I'll add that hype-wise, the audience being less familiar with Marion's work could generate MORE curiosity about the performance (especially since she's got a reputation for being such a great actress, and that may be the only thing that many folks know about her), and therefore more surprise with the final product.

I definitely understand your feelings toward Weisz, Rocky, since I used to share them fairly recently. I agree it would still be new territory for her, but the stuff I've seen recently just swayed me that she'd be up for the challenge is all.

[RachelDawes]

So has anyone suggested Jennifer Connelly yet? I had a dream last night that I met Christian Bale and he said he wanted her for the part. Actually, he called her Sophia Connelly but I assume he meant Jennifer. :hehe:

[elgato]

i like her but i think she would fit better for talia or carol ferris

[Laderlappen]

Wasnt trying to push my preference on you, just elaborating on how i think casting finds the most success, and helps the movie the most.

If Cotillard is cast, cool. but i seriously think it would be an unwise choice. pointless to think about,b/c incredibly unlikely Nolan will cast her.

But i wouldnt be upset if she was cast.

And you probably wouldnt be too upset if Jolie was cast, especially if she knocked your socks off with a mind-boggling intrepretation.:word:Because she's not famous? If so I disagree. I think Marion is the most likely choice suggested here. I dont think Nolan cast somebody partly because of the name. Actually I feel very sure of it. I think its something you think because all the great actors he has picked are somewhat famous. Its just very rare a great actor is unknown.

I dont want us to become enemies Rocky. I think we should end this discussion here now.

[Crook]

Just a little support for Marion in the catsuit. Thanks to jmc's awesome talent...

http://fanartexhibit.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/cat_bat_02.jpg

[batboy99]

I like that!

[Mercurius]

Describing her as sexy, smart and a good actress shows me nothing. Can she perform athletically like Catwoman would? Not that we have seen. Does she have a powerful aspect to her that is intimidating? Not to me. Could she hold her own with a big cast? Haven't seen so yet. Yes, she can be seductive and is very beautiful.

You don't have to do anything for me. What I'd like to know is how can you have someone who has shown so much ability like Marion and defend someone who's been a Bond girl and in one movie that has been big and another, Franklyn, that looks interesting but seems to be more story driven and about the character Ryan Phillipe portrays.

The first paragraph is an example of typecasting, WeaponX.

"Describing her as sexy, smart and a good actress shows me nothing."

It should. Wanting the role, a good, yund, smart (and all the other qualities) can pull it off.

Otherwise people would just do the typecasting: "Oh yeah, this girl is like an Olympics gymnast, let's go for her, she's made five action movies already!" :woot:

And Green was obviously a very peculiar kind of Bond girl to be dismissed by saying: "a Bond girl". :cwink:

[WeaponXProject]

I am starting to hope that Nolan picks someone none of us have suggested because we are starting to sound so smug about our opinions. Including me...:csad:

I am just gonna give my five like Blacks said:

1.) Jolie
2.) Cottilard
3.) Weisz
4.) ?
5.) ?


And Merc, I explained way more than what you quoted about what I want for the actress to have, in past posts and the one you quoted. Dude, I'm done arguing if your gonna say wat I said is typecasting and you then say the most bland description of what you want. Who doesn't want young, beautiful, talented and smart? That's casting almost any female role right there. Whatever, I'm done with this like I said before.

[Mercurius]

Ok, Weapon.

BTW, great job above, as usual, by jmc.

[WeaponXProject]

Alright so I got a few wild cards I would be interested in seeing...

Chloe Sevigny (sp?)
Natalie Portman
Naomi Watts
Jennifer Connelly


I'm sure most people won't like them but they are different selections. Two of which, Natalie and Jennifer have never really played characters like Selina, to my knowledge, if anyone knows otherwise let me know but these are a few of my interests that I wouldn't be angry if they were picked.

[Mercurius]

So has anyone suggested Jennifer Connelly yet? I had a dream last night that I met Christian Bale and he said he wanted her for the part. Actually, he called her Sophia Connelly but I assume he meant Jennifer. :hehe:

I, for one, like the idea, very much. :cwink:

[Laderlappen]

Anybody can learn the athletic stuff before filming. And no its not easy, but anybody can learn it.

[The Major]

Anybody can learn the athletic stuff before filming. And no its not easy, but anybody can learn it.
Anyone can learn it but not everybody is good at it. Affleck got the same training as Garner in DD and she did it much better then him.

[Laderlappen]

Havent seen DD, but I can imagine Garner doing it better than Affleck. Most of the times its lack somebody fails the physical part, its because that person didnt take the role seriously enough.

[Mercurius]

Havent seen DD, but I can imagine Garner doing it better than Affleck. Most of the times its lack somebody fails the physical part, its because that person didnt take the role seriously enough.

Bingo. That's it. Simple & clear.

[RachelDawes]

Just a little support for Marion in the catsuit. Thanks to jmc's awesome talent...

It was a manip of Marion in the catsuit that first turned me onto the idea of her as Catwoman. I'm trying to distance myself from her though because I don't want to be too disappointed if she isn't cast.

[Cunning Stunts]

Havent seen DD, but I can imagine Garner doing it better than Affleck. Most of the times its lack somebody fails the physical part, its because that person didnt take the role seriously enough.

I'd hardly go that far... Many times, it's fear, or the stuff is too hard for that particular person to do. Also, you'd be shocked as to how little awareness we all really have as to what our body actually looks like it's doing.

That physical awareness and prowess isn't something that's just picked up before a movie shoot. That kind of stuff takes natural talent and/or prolonged training.

In the first stunt show I performed in, we had a guy who claimed to be doing stunt for years, as well as done falls higher than 30 feet. We have one 30-foot drop on our set, and it took him 3 weeks to get over the fear of doing it.

Not only that, but he had trouble hitting the proper spot on the pads. He wasn't aware of that, so every time we'd let him know, he'd argue with us.

Even the easy stuff isn't so easy.

[batboy99]

My 5

1)Cate Blanchett
2)Marion Cotillard
3)Angelina Jolie
4)Rachel Weisz
5)Charlize Theron

[RockyBatboa]

So has anyone suggested Jennifer Connelly yet? I had a dream last night that I met Christian Bale and he said he wanted her for the part. Actually, he called her Sophia Connelly but I assume he meant Jennifer. :hehe:


I had a similar dream. It involved christian bale throwing peaches and whipcream at her too, though..:huh:

[RockyBatboa]

Because she's not famous? If so I disagree. I think Marion is the most likely choice suggested here. I dont think Nolan cast somebody partly because of the name. Actually I feel very sure of it. I think its something you think because all the great actors he has picked are somewhat famous. Its just very rare a great actor is unknown.

I dont want us to become enemies Rocky. I think we should end this discussion here now.


I mean no hard feelings, man. If you want to end the conversation with me, that's fine. More power to you.

[RockyBatboa]

I am starting to hope that Nolan picks someone none of us have suggested because we are starting to sound so smug about our opinions. Including me...:csad:

I am just gonna give my five like Blacks said:

1.) Jolie
2.) Cottilard
3.) Weisz
4.) ?
5.) ?


And Merc, I explained way more than what you quoted about what I want for the actress to have, in past posts and the one you quoted. Dude, I'm done arguing if your gonna say wat I said is typecasting and you then say the most bland description of what you want. Who doesn't want young, beautiful, talented and smart? That's casting almost any female role right there. Whatever, I'm done with this like I said before.


What the heck? You said you were going to give 5, then only gave 3...no biggie.

Hey dont get upset, man. I understood what you were saying. I also think Merc's def. of typecasting was kinda non-descript.

We all have our favorites. The important thing is, deep in all of our truest of hearts, all of us agree, undeniably, that our ultimate favorite is Angelina Jolie, and NOTHING, nothing, can change that.:woot:

[WeaponXProject]

Anybody can learn the athletic stuff before filming. And no its not easy, but anybody can learn it.


Not that it's the same person or direction of the character but Halle Berry had a male, yes male, stunt double for her Catwoman and you could tell when it wasn't her so maybe not everybody...mostly I agree with you but you have to have some ability. Not everyone's gonna have Milla Jovovich's ability that's for sure.

[RockyBatboa]

Oh, forget it, i just saw the other post w/your other choices.

I'd go along with Watts and Connely.

Anyone suggested Elizabeth Banks? A long shot to be sure, but she is a rising star and quite a refreshing actress. She has the edge, the sex appeal and the dark humor. I dont neccessarily want another blonde, but Mechelle Pheiffer was Oscar-worthy, so it doesnt really matter.

[Mercurius]

Hey dont get upset, man. I understood what you were saying. I also think Merc's def. of typecasting was kinda non-descript.

No, Merc was to the point. :oldrazz:

Although I really like WeaponX Pro., when one says an actress can't do something because she's never done it, you're typecasting.

The alternative is to get someone who has already done it.

That's typecasting. :cwink:

[WeaponXProject]

No, Merc was to the point. :oldrazz:

Although I really like WeaponX Pro., when one says an actress can't do something because she's never done it, you're typecasting.

The alternative is to get someone who has already done it.

That's typecasting. :cwink:


Let's be fair, we were talking about less experience overall. Not just less experience of a character.

[Mercurius]

Let's be fair, we were talking about less experience overall. Not just less experience of a character.

But the girl is good enough to be in a Bertolucci movie and to be Vesper in the new Bond series but can't make Catwoman?

The Bertolucci movie needed a real actress (among other things, of course). :woot:

[Keyser Soze]

With such an intense level of speculation over Catwoman when we don't even know if she's in the film yet, surely WB and Nolan are going to have to include her in Batman 3.

[Crook]

I'm going to blow a gasket if we get someone like Silver St. Cloud or another female equivalent.

[jmc]

With such an intense level of speculation over Catwoman when we don't even know if she's in the film yet, surely WB and Nolan are going to have to include her in Batman 3.

I wouldn't put money on it, as much as I'm sure fans want her (and as much as I'm sure WB will press to include her), Nolan will do his own thing. He may include her, he may not. Pure speculation at this time. Having said that though if she wasn't included in a third film the series would feel a little incomplete to me, Selina has been an such integral part of the mythology that to not see her brought to life for the first real time (I mean that in the sense of her traditional back story and what she does) would be disappointing.

[WeaponXProject]

But the girl is good enough to be in a Bertolucci movie and to be Vesper in the new Bond series but can't make Catwoman?

The Bertolucci movie needed a real actress (among other things, of course). :woot:


Olga Kurylenko was in the new Bond series and she's nothing but looks.

And once again you brought up two movies. We're going in circles again...

[WeaponXProject]

I'm not gonna lie if they put her in the movie I still think she should be a cliff hanger with her mostly as Selina and then becoming Catwoman at the end but not killed like Harvey.


Edit: This would be especially cool if Nolan were to come back and if their was a one villain focus to the next movie.

[batboy99]

Love your avvy Laderlappen ;)

[The Major]

With such an intense level of speculation over Catwoman when we don't even know if she's in the film yet, surely WB and Nolan are going to have to include her in Batman 3.
They don't have to. Forcing them to pick a certain character is a bad idea. It's how we got Venom in Spider-man 3. The Batman franchise doesn't need to repeat that error.

Nolan and co. have shown they know what they're doing. Whether it be Riddler or some random Z -lister Batman enemy for the next movie it'll still be great.

[WeaponXProject]

They don't have to. Forcing them to pick a certain character is a bad idea. It's how we got Venom in Spider-man 3. The Batman franchise doesn't need to repeat that error.


Very good point. Didn't they originally tell Nolan to use other villains for BB but he said otherwise and look how beautiful that movie was. It's one the best 1st of a series by far to me.

I'll take any villain Nolan thinks is the right one to use.

[The Major]

Very good point. Didn't they originally tell Nolan to use other villains for BB but he said otherwise and look how beautiful that movie was.

I'm not sure. I do know Goyer said they wanted to not use a list villains in Batman Begins.

It's one the best 1st of a series by far to me.

Agreed.

I'll take any villain Nolan thinks is the right one to use.
:up:

[Laderlappen]

Love your avvy Laderlappen ;)Thanks man ;)

[WeaponXProject]

I'm not sure. I do know Goyer said they wanted to not use a list villains in Batman Begins.



Agreed.


:up:


Which is so interesting to me. I don't think people give him enough credit with the risk Nolan took by doing so. Coming from the last set of movies it seemed the only smart thing to do was use the big villains but instead he surprised us all and made the best of all withou Jokes, 2face, Riddler, Cats, Ivy, Bane. That's so amazing and I applaud WB for also accepting the risk.

[RachelDawes]

I had a similar dream. It involved christian bale throwing peaches and whipcream at her too, though..:huh:

Seriously? Maybe there's a Bale-Connelly connection we subconsciously know about. :hehe:

[Alex Logan]

They don't have to. Forcing them to pick a certain character is a bad idea. It's how we got Venom in Spider-man 3. The Batman franchise doesn't need to repeat that error.

Nolan and co. have shown they know what they're doing. Whether it be Riddler or some random Z -lister Batman enemy for the next movie it'll still be great.

That comparison is getting a bit old, but I get what you're saying.

I'm not gonna lie if they put her in the movie I still think she should be a cliff hanger with her mostly as Selina and then becoming Catwoman at the end but not killed like Harvey.

Edit: This would be especially cool if Nolan were to come back and if their was a one villain focus to the next movie.

I'm willing to bet that Nolan will not do a cilffhanger. He wants each film to stand on it's own.

[TheBatman072]

I'm not gonna lie if they put her in the movie I still think she should be a cliff hanger with her mostly as Selina and then becoming Catwoman at the end but not killed like Harvey.


That's stupid.

[Mercurius]

Olga Kurylenko was in the new Bond series and she's nothing but looks.

And once again you brought up two movies. We're going in circles again...


If you see no difference in their abilities and about their characters, it will be walking in circles, indeed. :cwink:

[MiniBond]

I am starting to hope that Nolan picks someone none of us have suggested because we are starting to sound so smug about our opinions. Including me...:csad:

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If Nolan doesn't come out with someone totally unknown I honestly think that We've mentioned so many actresses that one of them has great chances to be the new catwoman (if there's a catwoman in the movie)......!:cwink::cwink:

[batboy99]

Thanks man ;)
just watched a biography on her :heart: i love her so much.

[Laderlappen]

If Nolan doesn't come out with someone totally unknown I honestly think that We've mentioned so many actresses that one of them has great chances to be the new catwoman (if there's a catwoman in the movie)......!:cwink::cwink:I agree. Nolan doesnt cast somebody because the fans never suggested him or her. Why did the fans never suggest them? God only knows.

[[A]]

^ because fans suggest actresses based on their own wet-dreams

[The Major]

^ because fans suggest actresses based on their own wet-dreams
Not every fan does that. Bale was a fan favorite for Batman and it worked out.

[batboy99]

Rachel Weisz for Catwoman.:yay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_09_vkr-actress.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/rachelweisz100.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/Rachel_Weisz_018.jpgTalia!

[july]

Rachel Weisz, like Kate Winslet, is beautiful but in a mature, girl next door, hot housewife kind of way. She looks like one of those hot soccer mums (or moms) and thats why she would be a bad choice for Catwoman.
Marion Cotillard would be amazing in th role for the following reasons:

1. She's a versatile and daring actress and one of the best working in the world today.
2. She's an intriguing, sexy and a very charismatic actress- you can't take your eyes off her when she's onscreen and these traits set her apart from the pack.
3. She's a stunning beauty- her eyes are awesome and she's got the curves for the catsuit.
4. She's French and the idea of catwoman having a dual accent is intriguing.

[Majik1387]

Rachel Weisz, like Kate Winslet, is beautiful but in a mature, girl next door, hot housewife kind of way. She looks like one of those hot soccer mums (or moms) and thats why she would be a bad choice for Catwoman.
Marion Cotillard would be amazing in th role for the following reasons:

1. She's a versatile and daring actress and one of the best working in the world today.
2. She's an intriguing, sexy and a very charismatic actress- you can't take your eyes off her when she's onscreen and these traits set her apart from the pack.
3. She's a stunning beauty- her eyes are awesome and she's got the curves for the catsuit.
4. She's French and the idea of catwoman having a dual accent is intriguing.
You change French to English, and you get the same with Weisz

[Laderlappen]

Rachel Weisz, like Kate Winslet, is beautiful but in a mature, girl next door, hot housewife kind of way. She looks like one of those hot soccer mums (or moms) and thats why she would be a bad choice for Catwoman.
Marion Cotillard would be amazing in th role for the following reasons:

1. She's a versatile and daring actress and one of the best working in the world today.
2. She's an intriguing, sexy and a very charismatic actress- you can't take your eyes off her when she's onscreen and these traits set her apart from the pack.
3. She's a stunning beauty- her eyes are awesome and she's got the curves for the catsuit.
4. She's French and the idea of catwoman having a dual accent is intriguing.I strongly disagree.

[Cunning Stunts]

Speaking of the accent thing, I actually wondered if they played a little flip-flop on Catwoman...

For those of you who have not read Catwoman: When In Rome, I'll Spoiler Tag certain parts for you...

But we know from that story that Catwoman goes to Italy to find out whether or not Carmine Falcone is her father. She's an American traveling to Italy to find this out... What if she was an Italian traveling to Gotham to try to find out the same thing? That could bring about the excuse for some kind of global chase (somewhat like Batman hunting down Lau in Hong Kong during TDK), should Selina try to travel back to Italy for whatever reason. Maybe she could have been given up for adoption by Carmine back in Italy, maybe to an American family (to explain the "Kyle" name, although I suppose there needn't really be an explanation for it)? Can't really argue that this "would make no sense", as my French teacher was born and raised in France, but was given up for adoption as a little child and adopted by a traveling American family that lived in France at the time... And still had that deep French accent.

I don't think the "Catwoman MUST be a Gothamite just like Batman!" argument will work here, as we haven't really heard anything from her, and I think such a notable personality would have a little more presence at this point... I also don't think it matters THAT much to her particular storyline.

[Majik1387]

No Catwoman/Falcone ties. :down

[Cunning Stunts]

Care to actually give an explanation to your opinion?

[Majik1387]

It adds nothing good to the character and feels more like a gimmick than actual storytelling.

[TNC9852002]

Out of that list, Marion Cotillard is the only name that interests me. Too bad she's French.

-TNC

[Cunning Stunts]

It adds nothing good to the character and feels more like a gimmick than actual storytelling.

How so? I don't see how gimmicks have anything to do with that angle. As to it "adding nothing," if that particular angle were used I'm sure it would be for a reason and would eventually be explained.

So, any real reasons? Other than just giving useless "no" answers?

[Crook]

...

[Crook]

It adds nothing good to the character and feels more like a gimmick than actual storytelling.
Lack of familial ties? Abandonment issues? Crime roots running through the family? Self-identity?

None of those strike you as being slightly intriguing? :huh:

Unless we're for a Catwoman with no background history, I wouldn't mind at all for her Italian ties to be covered.

[Cunning Stunts]

^^^Exactly my point... I mean, the story is canon, if I'm not mistaken. Especially since it's so closely linked to one of the most major sources of material for this series of movies, why not inject a little bit from When In Rome?

[jmc]

Forgive me but much like the whole 'prositute' thing wasn't the whole Selina linked to Falcone thing an out of canon story?

[Laderlappen]

If it never was in a comic, everybody would think it was a bad idea. I dont like it. They would actually take a thing from the comics that wasnt good. TO focus on that would be a waste of time, and I too dont think it will add anything to the story.

[Crook]

If it never was in a comic, everybody would think it was a bad idea. I dont like it.
A tad presumptuous there.

They would actually take a thing from the comics that wasnt good. TO focus on that would be a waste of time, and I too dont think it will add anything to the story.
Probably not for this particular story, because the mob was thinly focused and written. Worked well within the context of the comics, however.

[RachelDawes]

It adds nothing good to the character and feels more like a gimmick than actual storytelling.

If her being the daughter of Falcone is too coincidental for you they could just hint at her being the daughter of a mobster and leave the guy's name up in the air. There are probably thousands of people with organized crime ties in Gotham so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch if one of them is her dad.

Out of that list, Marion Cotillard is the only name that interests me. Too bad she's French.

What's wrong with her being French?

[Two-Face]

Speaking of the accent thing, I actually wondered if they played a little flip-flop on Catwoman...

For those of you who have not read Catwoman: When In Rome, I'll Spoiler Tag certain parts for you...

But we know from that story that Catwoman goes to Italy to find out whether or not Carmine Falcone is her father. She's an American traveling to Italy to find this out... What if she was an Italian traveling to Gotham to try to find out the same thing? That could bring about the excuse for some kind of global chase (somewhat like Batman hunting down Lau in Hong Kong during TDK), should Selina try to travel back to Italy for whatever reason. Maybe she could have been given up for adoption by Carmine back in Italy, maybe to an American family (to explain the "Kyle" name, although I suppose there needn't really be an explanation for it)? Can't really argue that this "would make no sense", as my French teacher was born and raised in France, but was given up for adoption as a little child and adopted by a traveling American family that lived in France at the time... And still had that deep French accent.

I don't think the "Catwoman MUST be a Gothamite just like Batman!" argument will work here, as we haven't really heard anything from her, and I think such a notable personality would have a little more presence at this point... I also don't think it matters THAT much to her particular storyline.





No ties to Falcone, I don't like it I rather have come from Gotham.

[GlasgowBat]

it's an irrelevant detail in this instance.

falcone has been out of the picture, and there is no evidence of his children being around in TDK.

you can't really do anything with the daughter angle without any other falcone family members being present. If you bring them in, it begs the question concerning their absence rom BB and TDK. It also seems contrived. "oh, here's some chrarcters that existed all along, but we forgot to mention them."

that's also the reason i don't want leslie. it would have been nice to see her, but she would need to be in from the beginning, at least in one of the flashbacks in BB.

[Crook]

Well, to be fair here the characters that we see are there because they have some sort of purpose. Just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they never existed.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Ace of Knaves]

Watching Cotillard on the BAFTAS, she looks very Selina-ish.

[GlasgowBat]

Well, to be fair here the characters that we see are there because they have some sort of purpose. Just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they never existed.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


indeed, but it would still come off as rather forced.

however, you could argue it gives the trilogy, should it be that, a rounded feel.

i'm not clamouring for it, however.

[I Am The Knight]

Lack of familial ties? Abandonment issues? Crime roots running through the family? Self-identity?

None of those strike you as being slightly intriguing? :huh:

Unless we're for a Catwoman with no background history, I wouldn't mind at all for her Italian ties to be covered.

I'm up for it :up:

[The Major]

indeed, but it would still come off as rather forced.

Joker, Ramirez, Two-Face, Reese, The Chechen and other new characters had no ties to BB didn't seem forced in TDK. Its all about the execution. Nolan and his team are good enough to make any new additions work in the next sequel.

[GlasgowBat]

none of them had ties to a character from BB that wasn't easily explained in one exchange of dialogue e.g. maroni.

the connection selina would have to falcone would be a plot point, that would require further exploration. To do that, a falcone family member would need to appear. this would sem forced and slightly contrived.

unless falcone himself returns, which in itself is not a good idea.

[TheBatman072]

none of them had ties to a character from BB that wasn't easily explained in one exchange of dialogue e.g. maroni.

the connection selina would have to falcone would be a plot point, that would require further exploration. To do that, a falcone family member would need to appear. this would sem forced and slightly contrived.

unless falcone himself returns, which in itself is not a good idea.


Bring in Falcone's sister from New York or Chicago. Have her recognize Selina in some way.


Problem solved.

[The Major]

none of them had ties to a character from BB that wasn't easily explained in one exchange of dialogue e.g. maroni.

the connection selina would have to falcone would be a plot point, that would require further exploration. To do that, a falcone family member would need to appear. this would sem forced and slightly contrived.

unless falcone himself returns, which in itself is not a good idea.
That is simple to fix. The Falcone family could have been exiled from Gotham during the last two movies and returns for the third film, or he is mentioned in passing having died/ in prison years before Bruce became Batman.