The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[GlasgowBat]

Bring in Falcone's sister from New York or Chicago. Have her recognize Selina in some way.


Problem solved.


why wouldn't they have appeared as soon as falcone went down in BB?

They would have wanted to take control of the falcone family, to save it from falling into a non-falcone like maroni.

overall, this could be forced into the plot of batman 3. however, why would we want that? is it really the best way to use selina? wouldn't it be a bit boring, havig more falcone's? would it really be a good angle to explore?

[TheBatman072]

why wouldn't they have appeared as soon as falcone went down in BB?

They would have wanted to take control of the falcone family, to save it from falling into a non-falcone like maroni.

overall, this could be forced into the plot of batman 3. however, why would we want that? is it really the best way to use selina? wouldn't it be a bit boring, havig more falcone's? would it really be a good angle to explore?


Because there wasn't a danger of freaks taking over the city yet.

Maroni went down, and the freaks are coming out of the woodwork now. They want to try and take back their piece.

And since the Falcones are trying to make a slight come back, that draws Selina out, to start robbing them.

Fits together nicely doesn't it?

[Cunning Stunts]

it's an irrelevant detail in this instance.

falcone has been out of the picture, and there is no evidence of his children being around in TDK.

you can't really do anything with the daughter angle without any other falcone family members being present. If you bring them in, it begs the question concerning their absence rom BB and TDK. It also seems contrived. "oh, here's some chrarcters that existed all along, but we forgot to mention them."

that's also the reason i don't want leslie. it would have been nice to see her, but she would need to be in from the beginning, at least in one of the flashbacks in BB.

Not true at all... That particular proposed storyline has ZERO to do with whether or not she's been featured before, ESPECIALLY if she's from a foreign country. She's appearing to try to find out if Falcone was her father, and winds up becoming entangled in the mob war... How does that have any relevance to whether or not she was SHOWN during the first two movies? She's "long-lost daughter". Emphasis on "long-lost."

Well, to be fair here the characters that we see are there because they have some sort of purpose. Just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they never existed.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

:up:

[Cunning Stunts]

indeed, but it would still come off as rather forced.

however, you could argue it gives the trilogy, should it be that, a rounded feel.

i'm not clamouring for it, however.

What comes off as FORCED is Tommy Elliot. Forcing him in saying "Oh, he's been there all along." The point here I'm trying to make with that the long-lost daughter angle, Catwoman was NEVER there, and that she's now appearing because she hears the man who conceived her is in Gotham.

*EDIT* Note- Catwoman BELIEVES Falcone to be her father. It is NOT proven nor disproven. This is the angle I'm talking about. I'm not saying that she IS related to Falcone, just that she things she may be, and is in Gotham to investigate.

[elgato]

none of them had ties to a character from BB that wasn't easily explained in one exchange of dialogue e.g. maroni.

the connection selina would have to falcone would be a plot point, that would require further exploration. To do that, a falcone family member would need to appear. this would sem forced and slightly contrived.

unless falcone himself returns, which in itself is not a good idea.

god that's stupid, she could just have lived in Gotham all her life, and have returned from a trip, where she learned martial arts and began to operate as a thief, then she returned to Gotham, where she was born duuuh!!


Sorry, I am just mad, i am hungry :(

[GlasgowBat]

it's not selina that would need to have appeared already, but the other falcone family member that would have to be present.

of course selina wouldn't have been featured before. but to explore a possible connection to the falcone family, we would need a member of the falcone family.

the fact that so many failed to understand this originally and assumed i meant selina would have to be seen in BB and/or TDK is baffling.

[Laderlappen]

You who want Catwoman to be Falcones daughter. You explain how it would be done, can you explain why it should be done? WHat's the point of adding that storyline?

[Cunning Stunts]

You who want Catwoman to be Falcones daughter. You explain how it would be done, can you explain why it should be done? WHat's the point of adding that storyline?

To smoothly bring her into the storyline:

- It would give her connections to characters we already know.

- It would throw her directly into the middle of the mob-freak war, considering she's a supposed mobster's daughter, but associates with and acts like the "freaks".

I'm not saying this SHOULD be done, just that it's one supposed angle that could be taken, and one I personally wouldn't mind. So far, everyone who has said no has had no other arguments other than, "That's stupid."

it's not selina that would need to have appeared already, but the other falcone family member that would have to be present.

of course selina wouldn't have been featured before. but to explore a possible connection to the falcone family, we would need a member of the falcone family.

the fact that so many failed to understand this originally and assumed i meant selina would have to be seen in BB and/or TDK is baffling.

Considering Falcone isn't DEAD, it's entirely possible to do so without other family members. Not only that, but you don't even NEED other family members to trace your own heritage. She could be in Gotham to investigate with his closest friends, find records of his travels/mistresses/whatever clues might lead her to more possible information. People have done this before... It's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Laderlappen]

To smoothly bring her into the storyline:

- It would give her connections to characters we already know.I dont see a point of that.

- It would throw her directly into the middle of the mob-freak war, considering she's a supposed mobster's daughter, but associates with and acts like the "freaks".I dont like the idea of her being in a mob war. Thats just my personal opinion.

I'm not saying this SHOULD be done, just that it's one supposed angle that could be taken, and one I personally wouldn't mind. So far, everyone who has said no has had no other arguments other than, "That's stupid."
Ok here's an argument. Adding a storyline without a reason that adds nothing to the story is poor filmmaking. Its like making her the sister of Harvey Dent. The only reason nobody is suggesting that is because it has never happened in the comics.

[Alex Logan]

Because there wasn't a danger of freaks taking over the city yet.

Maroni went down, and the freaks are coming out of the woodwork now. They want to try and take back their piece.

And since the Falcones are trying to make a slight come back, that draws Selina out, to start robbing them.

Fits together nicely doesn't it?

Yes, it does. :cwink:

[Crook]

I dont see a point of that.
It's neither here, nor there. Applying connections surely aren't a bad thing.


I dont like the idea of her being in a mob war. Thats just my personal opinion.
I think we can be sure the mob is done. But it is nice to see some semblance of mob influence even after they're long made irrelevant. Having Selina as an heir or seeking answers, could provide for a means of explaining her rising status in Gotham. Either by using (embracing) her connections, or demolishing it as a bitter reaction.

It just provides a backstory of sorts, instead of just dropping her in the middle of things and going, "ok here's Selina, she was in the Gotham slums and now she's in the big picture".

[Hobgoblin]

A side note: Would a good solo Catwoman movie be interesting? One that is faithful to the source material?

[Cunning Stunts]

I dont see a point of that.

I dont like the idea of her being in a mob war. Thats just my personal opinion.

Ok here's an argument. Adding a storyline without a reason that adds nothing to the story is poor filmmaking. Its like making her the sister of Harvey Dent. The only reason nobody is suggesting that is because it has never happened in the comics.

And your argument hasn't stated anything anyone hasn't before. This isn't brand new material we're talking about here, this is straight out of When In Rome. The only thing I offered up a change to was her nationality, but even that doesn't need to be done.

So, yet again, I don't see where you're getting that there's "no reason." Her storyline is going to have "reason", no matter what background they give her. If they were to use a storyline like mine (not saying they would by any means), of course they would give it reason. Is that concept THAT hard to understand?

[TheBatman072]

A side note: Would a good solo Catwoman movie be interesting? One that is faithful to the source material?


Not until after she's given proper respect by Nolan. Gotta wash the taste of CINO out of everyone's mouths.


And only if Jonah Nolan and Darwyne Cooke and write it.

[Two-Face]

Watching Cotillard on the BAFTAS, she looks very Selina-ish.

Angelina looked beautiful last night, Very Selina-ish too.

[Laderlappen]

And your argument hasn't stated anything anyone hasn't before. This isn't brand new material we're talking about here, this is straight out of When In Rome. The only thing I offered up a change to was her nationality, but even that doesn't need to be done.

So, yet again, I don't see where you're getting that there's "no reason." Her storyline is going to have "reason", no matter what background they give her. If they were to use a storyline like mine (not saying they would by any means), of course they would give it reason. Is that concept THAT hard to understand?But when you suggests she should be Falcone's daughter, you must have a reason huh? You're not just sugesting it because it was in the comics? Its sounds like you're saying "they should make Selinda Falcone's daughter.' I dont have a reason for it but Nolan can probably think of one"

[The Major]

A side note: Would a good solo Catwoman movie be interesting? One that is faithful to the source material?
Yes.

[Two-Face]

lol, two-face, if they did cast catwoman and it was someone else in the role, i can totally see you going when you see it, "yeah ,she was ok but
SHE AIN'T NO ANGIE!!!!!!!!"
:woot::woot:




Well we see if Catwoman is in B3.

[Cunning Stunts]

But when you suggests she should be Falcone's daughter, you must have a reason huh? You're not just sugesting it because it was in the comics? Its sounds like you're saying "they should make Selinda Falcone's daughter.' I dont have a reason for it but Nolan can probably think of one"

It was a simple plotline I offered up the idea for here... Do you know how plots are put together? Or are you just trying to trolling to try to stir people up yet again? You don't make any sense at all... How else do they put a plotline together? Do you have ANY clue as to how the theatrical world works? I'm going to guess not...

They bring up ideas they don't yet have reasons for (other than drawing from source material or just plain making it up), and then find their own reasoning upon putting it into the storyline. I thought it would be a neat angle to go after, so no, I don't have this vastly intellectual reason for putting it in. It's an angle that worked from a graphic novel that's related to their primary source material for the last film, and I thought it'd be a nice tie in for Catwoman. Get over it.

[Laderlappen]

Right. I gently asked why some wanted Selina to be Falcone's daughter, I get attacked, and I am getting accused of trolling. This is not the first time it happens.

And with the chance of getting accused of trolling for disagreeing again, no I dont think storylines are usually brought up without reasons. This is the first time I can remember anybody doing it.

[Cunning Stunts]

Right. I gently asked why some wanted Selina to be Falcone's daughter, I get attacked, and I am getting accused of trolling. This is not the first time it happens.

And with the chance of getting accused of trolling for disagreeing again, no I dont think storylines are usually brought up without reasons. This is the first time I can remember anybody doing it.

Because you bring up irrelevant points and complete B.S. about stuff you apparently know little to nothing about... And instead of "gently asking," you repeatedly say, in a matter of words, "No, I don't like it." When asked for reasoning, you come up with (obvious) ********.

I don't mind if you disagree, but to make stuff up and then tell me it's a bad idea because of *insert irrelevant reason here*, that's what makes me accuse you of trolling.

[Laderlappen]

Are you refering to this?:
I dont like the idea of her being in a mob war. Thats just my personal opinion.Because if you do, there is a part you must have missed.

[Cunning Stunts]

And you must have missed my following post, where I didn't argue your personal opinion. That's fine if you don't like it, but what I argued was this:

Ok here's an argument. Adding a storyline without a reason that adds nothing to the story is poor filmmaking. Its like making her the sister of Harvey Dent. The only reason nobody is suggesting that is because it has never happened in the comics.

You brought up irrelevant points that make no sense whatsoever... I.e., presuming that it would "add nothing" because the idea I gave wasn't a 100% fleshed out plan for Catwoman... You seem to forget that more would go into it afterward than just, "Let's stick this idea in here, and NOT explain any of it."

[Laderlappen]

You know, I read your post again. I think I missundertood a little. I thought you asked 'why should there be a reason', but you meant 'nobody has come up with a reason why she shouldnt be Falcone's daughter' right? Let me change my answer then. The reson I say no is because I think nobody has given a good enough reason she should be.

Im not trying to attack you Cunnings. I havent. I have nothing against you. Im not trying to pick a fight with you.

[CaptainClown]

A side note: Would a good solo Catwoman movie be interesting? One that is faithful to the source material?
To maybe the people in this thread but to the general public I just don't think they really care. Catwoman is pretty strong on her own but she really is nothing if there is no Batman to play off of.

When in Rome was a pretty fun story for Catwoman but I have felt it is not that important to make a movie about. It was just kind of nice to see something TLH and DV related.

[Dark Knight]

Lack of familial ties? Abandonment issues? Crime roots running through the family? Self-identity?

None of those strike you as being slightly intriguing? :huh:

Unless we're for a Catwoman with no background history, I wouldn't mind at all for her Italian ties to be covered.




Exactly.....tying Selena as being Falcones lost daughter wouldn't be a bad idea at all IMO.

Plus perhaps the Nolans can show Selena witnessing her Falcone abusing her mother when she was younger?

[Two-Face]

Who's Selene? Unless you're thinking of Underworld movies :hehe:

[[A]]

A side note: Would a good solo Catwoman movie be interesting? One that is faithful to the source material?I'd watch it.

[batboy99]

Ooo I watched Underworld 1 on the weekend(ive only ever seen the second and the new one), I loved it!

[[A]]

I have to watch these movies one day.. for the sake of Beckinsale's outfit

[batboy99]

She is THAT bad. She fit the character well IMO.

[Two-Face]

Beckinsale is good in it but Underworld movies suck period.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea she is the best thing about them. Well, Bill Nighy is good in anything he does as well. But that outfit! Them lips! *faints*

[batboy99]

No they dont, theyre awesome! Well, I love vamprie movies. The second one is better than the first though.

[saska83]

Who's Selene? Unless you're thinking of Underworld movies :hehe:

He made the mistake not by purpose. :whatever:

[Two-Face]

He made the mistake not by purpose. :whatever:

I know I was just joking jeez. hence the ":hehe:"

[Two-Face]

Yea she is the best thing about them. Well, Bill Nighy is good in anything he does as well. But that outfit! Them lips! *faints*



The leather suit is just well mouth watering for me.

[Cunning Stunts]

You know, I read your post again. I think I missundertood a little. I thought you asked 'why should there be a reason', but you meant 'nobody has come up with a reason why she shouldnt be Falcone's daughter' right? Let me change my answer then. The reson I say no is because I think nobody has given a good enough reason she should be.

Im not trying to attack you Cunnings. I havent. I have nothing against you. Im not trying to pick a fight with you.

Much more understandable. I don't have a problem with disagreements at all. To be honest, I don't have a great reason other than the fact that it's relative to the main inspiration for TDK, and I thought it'd be a nice easter egg. That said, if I were a professional screenplay writer, I'd make sure I had a damned good reason for including that particular plotline.

In the fanfiction (in screenplay form) that I'm writing at the moment, I'm not using this particular angle. To be honest, I don't know quite yet how I'm going to incorporate Catwoman, nor do I know any great well-woven ideas of how she could be.

[The Major]

Catwoman is pretty strong on her own but she really is nothing if there is no Batman to play off of.
I disagree. She was quite entertaining in her own solo title when Batman isn't around. If comic writers can do that why can't film makers?

[WeaponXProject]

That's stupid.

Very good explanation and polite, too.

I am implying that she not be the main villain but more a secondary character. It is also a reason that I do not want the movie to end with a finale a la X3. I would rather it show that there are always reasons for Batman to exist and that he can't stop being Batman. There is always another villain. I don't want the movie to end with Batman slapping his hands to together and saying, "My duty is done." It is the same reason TDK ended with a cliff hanger. Batman is always running and must continue on with this alter ego he created.

If you see no difference in their abilities and about their characters, it will be walking in circles, indeed. :cwink:

There are differences in the characters and abilities. I know that. Neither two were very memorable to me. I was playing one of your games where you randomly make comparisons. I don't want to argue with her spokesperson anymore.:cwink:

[Timstuff]

Angelina looked beautiful last night, Very Selina-ish too.

In the interest of equality, Kate Beckinsale looked great at the Grammys.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1725/hq006fi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Meow.

[Brian Braddock]

She's definately hot.

[WeaponXProject]

She's definately hot.


I am not against her I just don't think she's had a chance to show us how talented or not talented she is. Not much to say good or bad about her besides Van Helsing being bad and a few others like Aviator being good. I'll tell you what wasn't good...f***ing Pearl Harbor the movie.

Hey Sup. B, why did you change your name?

[Brian Braddock]

BB was my 1st username back when the hype was but a baby;

I'd wanted to change back for years but only got off my a$$ and did something about it a couple of days ago.

Also, I think a lot of people may have got the impression that I was Spanish or Mexican or something - kinda seemed only right that I went back to using something a bit more appropriate considering where I'm from.............

[I Am The Knight]

Beckinsale is good in it but Underworld movies suck period.

Agreed :whatever:

[Brian Braddock]

I'd go along with that too - I didnt particularly like the Underworld movies but I could recognise that Beckinsale was good in them.

She handles action well.

[Two-Face]

Agreed :whatever:

Si?

[I Am The Knight]

Si?

I guess... :huh:

I'd go along with that too - I didnt particularly like the Underworld movies but I could recognise that Beckinsale was good in them.

She handles action well.

Yeah. And BTW, I got a chuckle out of your "some people thought I was mexican" comment :o

[Brian Braddock]

:D

I thought I was being tactful.

[Brian Braddock]

Also, I think one person may have got the impression that I was Mexican or something - kinda seemed only right that I went back to using something a bit more appropriate considering where I'm from.............

Fixed.

:oldrazz:

[Mercurius]

There are differences in the characters and abilities. I know that. Neither two were very memorable to me. I was playing one of your games where you randomly make comparisons. I don't want to argue with her spokesperson anymore.:cwink:

Hee hee hee. :woot:

Yeah, your comparison was totally random. It was like comparing a wall to a living person, only because they were part of the same series.

But you are totally right: I don't want to keep reading mindlees badmouthing of a good actress, too.

That's settled. :cwink:

[I Am The Knight]

Fixed.

:oldrazz:

:applaud

[Two-Face]

So I was right when I said Kate was good in Underworld movies but they suck period. :o

Kate is good actress.

[WeaponXProject]

Hee hee hee. :woot:

Yeah, your comparison was totally random. It was like comparing a wall to a living person, only because they were part of the same series.

But you are totally right: I don't want to keep reading mindlees badmouthing of a good actress, too.

That's settled. :cwink:

Troll happy aren't you.

There isn't a reasonable bone in your body is there? As convinced as you are, I'm not. Never once did I bad mouth her. I said I hadn't seen anything that made her a good actress for Selina. You bait people and change what I said because I don't like Eva for Selina. She's too young looking, her delivery is emotionless, her persona is too calm in her roles and doesn't have a powerful presence to me. Nothing she has showed me could lead me to think she could play Selina Kyle. Maybe in George Miller's Justice League movie she could but that was thrown out. Too bad. Life goes on.

[batboy99]

So I was right when I said Kate was good in Underworld movies but they suck period. :o

Kate is good actress.
They dont suck! They arnet great but they arent THAT bad. The second one is good, the first was good but the new one tops em both.

[Two-Face]

They dont suck! They arnet great but they arent THAT bad. The second one is awesome, the first was ok but the new one tops em both.

Sure, whatever you say Batboy.

[batboy99]

They arent bad. if you want bad, watch a Uwe Boll movie.

Underworld are good action flicks. Good vampire movies.

[Two-Face]

To me they ok movies, maybe cos I'm not fan of vampire movies.

[batboy99]

Ok, thats good, but to say they're terrible is a stretch IMO. And I'm huge into vampire movies, maybe thats why I love Underworld so much.
Have you seen the 3rd one?

[Two-Face]

Ok, thats good, but to say they're terrible is a stretch IMO. And I'm huge into vampire movies, maybe thats why I love Underworld so much.
Have you seen the 3rd one?


I missed the chance to see on the big screen, but I will rent on DVD.

[batboy99]

Its still out over here...

Its really good, its more about the werewolves, but its still good.

[[A]]

I'm planning on to see the trilogy next week--wish me luck :funny:

[Two-Face]

"Good luck"

[batboy99]

Watch the 3rd one first.

[Majik1387]

Skip the second

[batboy99]

The second is good! A little confusing. I dunno, havent seen it in a while, so I'll have to rewatch it.

Have you seen the thrid?

[Majik1387]

Not yet. Haven't been to the movies since The Spirit if I remember correctly.

[batboy99]

ah ok, its pretty good, I liekd it better than the other two.

What didnt you like about the second?

[Majik1387]

The story was odd and a bit confusing, the action was a downgrade, the sex scene was unrealistic anatomically, Kate's wooden acting yet again. It had nice sets and cinematography though.

[batboy99]

Oh cmon, Kate isnt THAT bad, theres so much worse, but I tihkn her acting suits the role. The story was confusing but you needed ot watch the first one to understand, the action form the first is bette,r but the second isnt bad.

[Majik1387]

No, Kate's acting is that bad. She was barely tolerable in the first Underworld and she's not an actress I find pretty enough to get by on looks alone.

[WeaponXProject]

No, Kate's acting is that bad. She was barely tolerable in the first Underworld and she's not an actress I find pretty enough to get by on looks alone.

She to me is capable of more than Van Helsing and the Underworld movies but her pick of movies aren't always great...Pearl Harbor anyone...

[batboy99]

I still dont think she has fully proven herself as an actress, so Ill reserve judgement.

[Majik1387]

She to me is capable of more than Van Helsing and the Underworld movies but her pick of movies aren't always great...Pearl Harbor anyone...
It's not even her pick of movies that bothers me. Plenty of actors have bad movies on their resume, but when they're bad in the movies is when it's annoying. Now if they were good in their roles in a bad movie, I'd have a decent idea of what they're capable of because if they can save the scenes they're in, in a pile of **** movie, they got a natural talent. This is what Kate lacks.

[RockyBatboa]

No, Merc was to the point. :oldrazz:

Although I really like WeaponX Pro., when one says an actress can't do something because she's never done it, you're typecasting.

The alternative is to get someone who has already done it.

That's typecasting. :cwink:

Actually, you've got it reversed.

Typecasting is when you specifically cast someone in a role because it's very similar, or even exact to what they have done in past roles.

If you choose not to cast someone b/c they have NEVER yet played a role likewise, you are not giving the actor a chance b/c they have yet to prove themself, you're not ceartain he/she is the right choice, but its not neccesarily typecasting.

:oldrazz:

[Timstuff]

K Beck IMO gets a ridiculously overblown level of internet hate. She is a very talented actress, but if you believed some of the people on this message board she's in the bottom 10 with the likes of Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton. She's a much better actress than she gets credit for, and she has a great screen presence. Just because you hated Pearl Harbor and Van Helsing doesn't mean she's not a good actress.

[RockyBatboa]

Seriously? Maybe there's a Bale-Connelly connection we subconsciously know about. :hehe:



I dont know , but this is started to freak me out.

Last night, i had another Bale dream, and it was pretty vivid and surreal.

Here, i'll set it up. Not for the timid, though....

It's Highschool. Me and Bale have been friends for a few years. He failed senior year 3 years in a row, so he's still a senior. When i was a freshman, i used to hang out at his house and we'd discuss movies and ****, smoke a little weed, some girls would drop by, we'd do our thing, ect.

Anyway, we stopped hanging out a few years, but i get into senior high, and we start hanging out again. One day, after the bell rings, we're heading out the scool, and some teacher/administrator tells Bale to take his hat off. Everyone else is out of the school, it's just me, Bale, and the teacher. And you know Bale, he goes off, yelling at this guy, telling him to go shove it, and the teacher grabs Bale by the arm...:wow:

Bale takes a step back, gives the dude a roundhouse he'll NEVER forget, then pushes the guy against the wall, and knocks him out. Then me and Bale start laughing, we head outside.

Fastforward a few weeks later, and this teacher has notified the principal. The principal starts questioning all Bale's friends. Some of them are starting to get shifty. Me, i've never had problems in the school, so i'm just waiting for my shot to talk to the principal.

He calls me in. I say Bale's straight. He's never caused any problems, the principal, that's all he needs to here. The teacher, i said, kept giving Bale the no-go with anything and nothing, and Bale was just minding his own business, the teacher was just pulling a false claim.

Teacher got fired,and man this part was vivid.
I go up to Bale, i'm telling him i covered everything. He looks at me and he goes" I told everyone. This guy is my tightest friend. I dont have a better friend than this guy." We start drinking, laughing, end of story.:applaud

And it's all true.:woot:

[RockyBatboa]

lol, two-face, if they did cast catwoman and it was someone else in the role, i can totally see you going when you see it, "yeah ,she was ok but
SHE AIN'T NO ANGIE!!!!!!!!"
:woot::woot:



:applaud

[RockyBatboa]

K Beck IMO gets a ridiculously overblown level of internet hate. She is a very talented actress, but if you believed some of the people on this message board she's in the bottom 10 with the likes of Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton. She's a much better actress than she gets credit for, and she has a great screen presence. Just because you hated Pearl Harbor and Van Helsing doesn't mean she's not a good actress.


Chuck, is that you?

Anyway, back on point, totally agree.

The ones who badmouth Kate or just doing so because they have theese fantaises of their singular mouth watering choice of indie of the month, and they're sore knowing those choices arent very likely to be cast.

Hence, they resort to badmouth of a capable actress who could possibly be cast.

Theese people are to be pitied, not loathed.:D

[The Major]

K Beck IMO gets a ridiculously overblown level of internet hate. She is a very talented actress, but if you believed some of the people on this message board she's in the bottom 10 with the likes of Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton. She's a much better actress than she gets credit for, and she has a great screen presence. Just because you hated Pearl Harbor and Van Helsing doesn't mean she's not a good actress.
Well said. :up:

[RachelDawes]

I dont know , but this is started to freak me out.

Last night, i had another Bale dream, and it was pretty vivid and surreal.

Here, i'll set it up. Not for the timid, though....

It's Highschool. Me and Bale have been friends for a few years. He failed senior year 3 years in a row, so he's still a senior. When i was a freshman, i used to hang out at his house and we'd discuss movies and ****, smoke a little weed, some girls would drop by, we'd do our thing, ect.

Anyway, we stopped hanging out a few years, but i get into senior high, and we start hanging out again. One day, after the bell rings, we're heading out the scool, and some teacher/administrator tells Bale to take his hat off. Everyone else is out of the school, it's just me, Bale, and the teacher. And you know Bale, he goes off, yelling at this guy, telling him to go shove it, and the teacher grabs Bale by the arm...:wow:

Bale takes a step back, gives the dude a roundhouse he'll NEVER forget, then pushes the guy against the wall, and knocks him out. Then me and Bale start laughing, we head outside.

Fastforward a few weeks later, and this teacher has notified the principal. The principal starts questioning all Bale's friends. Some of them are starting to get shifty. Me, i've never had problems in the school, so i'm just waiting for my shot to talk to the principal.

He calls me in. I say Bale's straight. He's never caused any problems, the principal, that's all he needs to here. The teacher, i said, kept giving Bale the no-go with anything and nothing, and Bale was just minding his own business, the teacher was just pulling a false claim.

Teacher got fired,and man this part was vivid.
I go up to Bale, i'm telling him i covered everything. He looks at me and he goes" I told everyone. This guy is my tightest friend. I dont have a better friend than this guy." We start drinking, laughing, end of story.:applaud

And it's all true.:woot:

I wish my dream had been this fun and interesting. After that rant I can see the hat scene happening. :hehe:

[RockyBatboa]

True story!

[DorkyFresh]

i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks Beckinsale is a descent actress. she's not extremely talented or anything but she's definitely got potential. she was great in the Aviator!

[RockyBatboa]

Well said

[WeaponXProject]

i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks Beckinsale is a descent actress. she's not extremely talented or anything but she's definitely got potential. she was great in the Aviator!


That's how I see it. To most posters it seems there is no gray area. Like I said there's been good and bad with her but she could be great. I wouldn't be confident she would do Selina justice but I wouldn't be worried she would bomb. As for her showing anything Selina-esque or even playing a character that is confident and has a second life to her...well we haven't seen that.

She would have been a better replacement for Katie Holmes if you ask me.

[Majik1387]

K Beck IMO gets a ridiculously overblown level of internet hate. She is a very talented actress, but if you believed some of the people on this message board she's in the bottom 10 with the likes of Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton. She's a much better actress than she gets credit for, and she has a great screen presence. Just because you hated Pearl Harbor and Van Helsing doesn't mean she's not a good actress.
I don't see much of a difference between her and Anderson's acting besides Kate being more stoic.
Didn't hate Pearl Harbor or Van Helsing, but Kate sucked in both. Mainly disappointed with the Pearl Harbor role because she failed at convincingly play a regular everyday woman of the time frame.
i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks Beckinsale is a descent actress. she's not extremely talented or anything but she's definitely got potential. she was great in the Aviator!
No she wasn't, she again fell flat in her role.
That's how I see it. To most posters it seems there is no gray area. Like I said there's been good and bad with her but she could be great. I wouldn't be confident she would do Selina justice but I wouldn't be worried she would bomb. As for her showing anything Selina-esque or even playing a character that is confident and has a second life to her...well we haven't seen that.

She would have been a better replacement for Katie Holmes if you ask me.
I do believe there's a gray area but Beckinsale seems to avoid it in all her roles.

[jmc]

I love it when people say Beckinsale's got potential, like she's some young up and comer. Beckinsale has been around for years and as yet has showed only fleeting glimpses of being able to act in more than one way. Is she horrible? No, she's not the worst actresses on the planet, she's just average at best, and in a cast that boasts some of the best A-Grade actors on the planet, someone like that isn't good enough, Catwoman deserves someone who is of the same quality of actors who have already appeared in the series. I've said it before, had she not done those Underworld movies or Van Helsing her name would barely rate a mention as a potential Catwoman candidate and she certainly wouldn't have as many votes as she currently has on this poll.

[Crook]

I wouldn't go as far as to call out a certain quantity of films. All it really takes is one performance to convince you of something. Look at Bale. I doubt had AP and Equilibrium been made with him, us fans would have campaigned so heavily for his casting.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Zoe Saldana for prostitute Selina Kyle...

http://bigyellowtaxi.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/zoe.jpg

[Majik1387]

I'm not a fan of hooker Selina. And I like Saldana, I think she's an actress who has potential to be bigger than she is at the moment, but with that said, I don't like her for Catwoman.

[TheWrathOfGod]

I'm not a fan of hooker Selina. And I like Saldana, I think she's an actress who has potential to be bigger than she is at the moment, but with that said, I don't like her for Catwoman.

She's already Uhura, why not play one more fanboy favorite? Hooker Selina is the only proper one according to myself and Frank Miller.

[Majik1387]

Well, I also don't like anything by Miller save for Sin City.

I'm all for her getting into a comic book movie, I just don't see Catwoman as the role for her.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Well, I also don't like anything by Miller save for Sin City.

I'm all for her getting into a comic book movie, I just don't see Catwoman as the role for her.

Not even Year One or TDKR????

But you do agree that Catwoman needs to be either Black or Hispanic, right?

[Majik1387]

Not even Year One or TDKR????
Eh I can take or leave Year One, but TDKR was an ugly comic with an ok story but nothing great.
But you do agree that Catwoman needs to be either Black or Hispanic, right?
No. Those aren't required needs for the character.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Eh I can take or leave Year One, but TDKR was an ugly comic with an ok story but nothing great.

No. Those aren't required needs for the character.

Take or leave Year One??? TDKR is ugly with an ok story??? What the hell are you doing on a message board about Batman????

And yes, there is no way that Catwoman can be played by a white person again. Bruce has got to get the jungle fever or a Mexican version of it in order for the film to be proper.

[Majik1387]

Take or leave Year One??? TDKR is ugly with an ok story??? What the hell are you doing on a message board about Batman????
This is Super Hero Hype, not Batman Hype.
And yes, there is no way that Catwoman can be played by a white person again. Bruce has got to get the jungle fever or a Mexican version of it in order for the film to be proper.
That's racist.

[TheWrathOfGod]

This is Super Hero Hype, not Batman Hype.

That's racist.

No, it's called affirmative action. Morgan Freeman isn't enough to keep the blacks represented in a Bat film.

[Majik1387]

No, it's called reverse racism.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Double standards exist buddy. Get used to it. A realistic Catwoman is obviously a minority.

[Majik1387]

I don't see how it's more realistic.

And double standards exist? Really?



REALLY?! :wow:




:dry:

[TheWrathOfGod]

Well why don't you join a 88 HH group and huff some tina if you're going to get so upset about it.

Being that you dislike Year One and TDKR, you have no say in who should play Catwoman.

[Majik1387]

It takes more than a couple of naive comments to upset me.

But I see it's clear you're not gonna discuss actual reasoning so I'll save my time and not bother anymore with you.

[TheWrathOfGod]

It takes more than a couple of naive comments to upset me.

But I see it's clear you're not gonna discuss actual reasoning so I'll save my time and not bother anymore with you.

You have no real conception of Batman as a character, thus you have no say in who should play Catwoman. There's some logic for you.

[Drz]

Year One and TDKR shouldn't be the only comics counted for, really. ;o Your really just beign ignore here simply because a person has different opinions on 2 comics than you. Sheesh.

[Timstuff]

And yes, there is no way that Catwoman can be played by a white person again. Bruce has got to get the jungle fever or a Mexican version of it in order for the film to be proper.That's racist.

pwnd

Liking Frank Miller is not a pre-requisite to being a Batman fan. LIKING BATMAN is the only true prerequisite. A lot of people don't like Frank Miller. I personally think he's OK, but he is a mixed bag. I certainly don't think he's the be-all-end-all of Batman though... not by a long shot. While I think The Dark Knight Returns was a good book, and Batman Begins clearly drew some inspiration from Year One, there are Batman books out there that I would definitely say are better. Saying "you hate Frank Miller so you can't discuss this topic" is retarded and childish.

Saying that Selina Kyle flat out can't be white because she was black in Year One goes beyond ignorance, just as much as it would be to say she can't be black because of the other comics. TheWrathOfGod is clearly just trying to stir flames, because all he'd have to do to know that his opinion is a fringe is look at the poll at the top of the thread. Clearly, being Black or Latina is not a requirement by the vast majority's standards, so he'd have to be a total fool to actually think that he is representing the popular consensus. If he keeps causing trouble, there's a handy little feature in the control panel called the "ignore list" that his name would fit nicely on.

[WeaponXProject]

I don't care what ethnicity Selina is. I just want her to be a talented actress.

[The Major]

Double standards exist buddy. Get used to it. A realistic Catwoman is obviously a minority.
How is Catwoman an obvious minority? Just because two black actresses played a Catwoman doesn't mean she was always a minority. She isn't Storm.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Year One and TDKR shouldn't be the only comics counted for, really. ;o Your really just beign ignore here simply because a person has different opinions on 2 comics than you. Sheesh.

It’s more than just two comics; it’s the basis for the entire mythos of modern Batman. Year One and TDKR are two vital cornerstones to the character, and anyone who wants to be taken seriously should see the merits of the two works.

pwnd

Liking Frank Miller is not a pre-requisite to being a Batman fan. LIKING BATMAN is the only true prerequisite. A lot of people don't like Frank Miller. I personally think he's OK, but he is a mixed bag. I certainly don't think he's the be-all-end-all of Batman though... not by a long shot. While I think The Dark Knight Returns was a good book, and Batman Begins clearly drew some inspiration from Year One, there are Batman books out there that I would definitely say are better. Saying "you hate Frank Miller so you can't discuss this topic" is retarded and childish.

Saying that Selina Kyle flat out can't be white because she was black in Year One goes beyond ignorance, just as much as it would be to say she can't be black because of the other comics. TheWrathOfGod is clearly just trying to stir flames, because all he'd have to do to know that his opinion is a fringe is look at the poll at the top of the thread. Clearly, being Black or Latina is not a requirement by the vast majority's standards, so he'd have to be a total fool to actually think that he is representing the popular consensus. If he keeps causing trouble, there's a handy little feature in the control panel called the "ignore list" that his name would fit nicely on.

Pwnd? Not quite. Liking Frank Miller IS a pre-requisite if you are to fully comprehend the core of modern Batman. So by your logic, someone watching “The Batman” cartoon show has a right to say that the Joker should be a barefoot Rastafarian? Not in my book. I am not trying to “stir flames” Timstuff, just stating my opinion; which so happens to be fact. Movies need to appeal to a broad demographic, and a black female heroine is very appropriate considering the times we live in.

Morgran Freemin isn't "representin'". It's not about evening out the demographic, dude, it's about getting the best actors. If Nolan finds the best actress for Catwoman to be black, so be it. If not, who cares? I just want a good movie.

Imagine if Morgan Freeman weren’t in the new Batman films, that means no blacks in the newly established canon. Lucius Fox is clearly “representing.” Do you think the movies would have been better is Freeman were replaced by someone like Patrick Stewart?

I don't care what ethnicity Selina is. I just want her to be a talented actress.

Minortiy Catwoman is the way its gots to be dog. People are just too dense or timid to admit I’m right.

[The Major]

No, it's called affirmative action.

Affirmative Action for movies like this are new characters. They shouldn't alter a characters ethnicity unless its a last resort IMO.

Morgan Freeman isn't enough to keep the blacks represented in a Bat film.

He wasn't the only minority in the supporting cast.

[WeaponXProject]

Imagine if Morgan Freeman weren’t in the new Batman films, that means no blacks in the newly established canon. Lucius Fox is clearly “representing.” Do you think the movies would have been better is Freeman were replaced by someone like Patrick Stewart?
Minortiy Catwoman is the way its gots to be dog. People are just too dense or timid to admit I’m right.


The commissioner before Gordan was black, too.

As for minority catwoman. I am behind it if she is a good actress. Hell, I suggested a few black actresses already. Rosario Dawson is one of my wild cards.

[The Major]

Imagine if Morgan Freeman weren’t in the new Batman films, that means no blacks in the newly established canon. Lucius Fox is clearly “representing.” Do you think the movies would have been better is Freeman were replaced by someone like Patrick Stewart?

Lucius Fox was always a minority, though. If they did use him without Freeman another black actor would have been cast. It is odd how you're incensed at the thought of Stewart being a black character while being extatic about that happening to a white one.

Minortiy Catwoman is the way its gots to be dog. People are just too dense or timid to admit I’m right.

You'll have to come up with a better argument then this to sway people here that Catwoman has to be a minority. :whatever:

[Drz]

It’s more than just two comics; it’s the basis for the entire mythos of modern Batman. Year One and TDKR are two vital cornerstones to the character, and anyone who wants to be taken seriously should see the merits of the two works.

Even so, even the Nolan Bat-universe isn't 100% loyal to the modern mythos made by Frank Miller. ;) You can see that from Joker and Two-Face, both loyal to the comic but hell even Two-Face's transformation was different, yet you don't see people complain, so Selina Kyle being a prostitute isn't that necessary and not needed to be learned, they could say in the movie she used to be a dominitrix or make her say something naughty and hinting like "even i don't play it that rough". ;)

[Laderlappen]

Blacks and whites arent the only races in the world. There are also asians, latino, native american, etc. None of the major character are any of these. But there are one black one. Neither are there any homosexual, bi-sexual, transexual characters in the movies, nor any jewish, muslim, or buddist ones. Just imagine how difficult(and unnecassary) it would be to add all the minoritys in the world in every movie. Black people arent the only ones that matters!

[Crook]

I love how you are all wasting your time arguing about this. The guy said Catwoman NEEDS to be black, and the movie NEEDS it to have a broad demographic. As if somehow getting a white actress for a white character is wrong. And that people will not be as likely to watch a BATMAN movie because of it.

C'mon. :funny:

[Majik1387]

Just stop feeding the troll and it will go away.:cwink:

[TheWrathOfGod]

Just stop feeding the troll and it will go away.:cwink:

Troll? Oh no my dear friend, you are greatly mistaken. I am genuine in everything I say. Catwoman needs to be a black, or a mulatto. An Asian or Hispanic could also suffice. Prostitute minority Catwoman who wears a modified dominatrix outfit as her suit is the only way to go.

[Laderlappen]

Racist!

[Mercurius]

Troll? Oh no my dear friend, you are greatly mistaken. I am genuine in everything I say. Catwoman needs to be a black, or a mulatto. An Asian or Hispanic could also suffice. Prostitute minority Catwoman who wears a modified dominatrix outfit as her suit is the only way to go.

"Needs" is the problem in what you say.

She may be, or if Nolan comes up with something for Catwoman (we don't know anything about it, yet), and that is the path he goes.

But there is no "need" whatsoever. Everything is up to the context.

[cerealkiller182]

Troll? Oh no my dear friend, you are greatly mistaken. I am genuine in everything I say. Catwoman needs to be a black, or a mulatto. An Asian or Hispanic could also suffice. Prostitute minority Catwoman who wears a modified dominatrix outfit as her suit is the only way to go.

you mean this?
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9831/halleberrycatwomanmu0.jpg
no thanks.

I dont mind a Catwoman of differing ethnicity, but it sure as hell isn't a prerequisite. And I absolutely hate the prostitution angle. The fact that it was introduced by Frank Miller makes it all the more gimmicky and empty of a concept. I'd rather she was just a honor amongst thieves thrillseeker type who teases Batman in a semi-antagonistic/mostly love interest role with another big baddie in the main antagonist role.

[Two-Face]

Man that outfit is awful.

[The Major]

Man that outfit is awful.
It really says something when that outfit is the part thing in the movie. :wow:

I'm saying this as someone who loathes the costume.

[batlovescatDC]

We need a true, full adaptation of the classic Catwoman/Selina Kyle that has been around for many years. And whereas I wouldn't care if she was black or another ethnicity, the fact is she isn't. The Catwoman that is well-known and has been around for years is white. Now, if they found someone with a little bit of an Italian-look to adapt the recent look a little bit, that I wouldn't mind at all. But the fact is... everyone who wanted a Catwoman of another ethnicity........... you got it a few years ago and it didn't work at all.

[The Major]

"Needs" is the problem in what you say.

She may be, or if Nolan comes up with something for Catwoman (we don't know anything about it, yet), and that is the path he goes.

But there is no "need" whatsoever. Everything is up to the context.
Agreed, Mercurius.

[batlovescatDC]

I'm just saying that if Catwoman is in Batman 3, then Batman 3 should be to her what The Dark Knight was to The Joker. A true adaptation when it comes to the look, the attitude, everything.

[The Major]

I'm just saying that if Catwoman is in Batman 3, then Batman 3 should be to her what The Dark Knight was to The Joker. A true adaptation when it comes to the look, the attitude, everything.
Agreed.

[WeaponXProject]

"Needs" is the problem in what you say.

She may be, or if Nolan comes up with something for Catwoman (we don't know anything about it, yet), and that is the path he goes.

But there is no "need" whatsoever. Everything is up to the context.


Hey, we agree. :oldrazz:

Yeah, there is definitely no need for an ethnic prostitute version of the character. I always thought that was very pushy for Miller to do so in Year One anyhow. An interesting take, being a prostitute, but a necessary one...absolutely not.

Like I said, her being ethnic, I am not opposing that if the choice is Nolan's.

[batboy99]

Rosario is like, blakc but her skin is white lol so it works both ways.

[cerealkiller182]

I'm just saying that if Catwoman is in Batman 3, then Batman 3 should be to her what The Dark Knight was to The Joker. A true adaptation when it comes to the look, the attitude, everything.

But THe Dark Knight wasnt a TRUE adaptation of the Joker. It was close and done very well, but not really 100%. Look-wise, he didnt have a big smile but scars, makeup instead of perma-white, longer hair than the comics, no gag weapons, and a much more hobo look than the comics as well. I thought if The Dark Knight proved anything it was that we shouldnt be sweating the small stuff lookwise and focus on the performance at hand whether that performance is done by someone who is white, black, asian, whatever.

[WeaponXProject]

I thought if The Dark Knight proved anything it was that we shouldnt be sweating the small stuff lookwise and focus on the performance at hand whether that performance is done by someone who is white, black, asian, whatever.

You just summed up my whole opinion on separating comics from the films. :up:

[regwec]

I'm not so sure. Whilst I love Ledger's Joker as much as anyone, I would still be very interested to see the character "done right" in a big budget movie adaptation. Between Heath, Cesar and Jack; I feel this is something that still eludes us.

All the same, I think that a black Catwoman could be highly appealing, and wouldn't protest even slightly.

[Two-Face]

Rosario is like, blakc but her skin is white lol so it works both ways.



I would love to see Rosario Dawson as Selina but isn't she already involved in a comic book movie franchise?

[jmc]

All the same, I think that a black Catwoman could be highly appealing, and wouldn't protest even slightly.

How the hell is a black Catwoman going to be any more appealing than a white one?

[jmc]

I would love to see Rosario Dawson as Selina but isn't she already involved in a comic book movie franchise?

I guess you'd call Sin City a franchise. Might just be me but I don't like seeing actors play more than one comic character on screen, just doesn't feel right.

[Crook]

I just want to know why people are so high on Rosario. She acts and looks sexy, but beyond that why exactly is she on the top of the list?

[Majik1387]

I guess you'd call Sin City a franchise. Might just be me but I don't like seeing actors play more than one comic character on screen, just doesn't feel right.
It doesn't bother me if they're from different comic companies.

[CaptainClown]

I disagree. She was quite entertaining in her own solo title when Batman isn't around. If comic writers can do that why can't film makers?
It is a very fine line to compare comic writers to film makers. Film makers at best can get one film about a 'hero', comic writers can screw up and go back to the drawing boards and figure out what works. There are also many factors to consider if it is even worth it for a filmmaker since large sums of money are invested into these projects.
1. Is there even a market
2. Will this interfere with other franchises
3. Will the audience understand that this isn't a Batman movie
4. How can we distance ourselves from the bad rep of the other Catwoman movie
These are some of the few concerns that would be explored if it was film. A comic writer could make Selina a hooker and simply have it retconned if the fans don't like it.

[saska83]

Rosario is excellent for Catwoman... she is not that famous for many people and has lot of potential.

Angelina is too perfect for this role.

[Two-Face]

Rosario is excellent for Catwoman... she is not that famous for many people and has lot of potential.

Angelina is too perfect for this role.


Does that bother you?

[Crook]

Rosario is excellent for Catwoman... she is not that famous for many people and has lot of potential.
You ask the majority of people to name 5 black actresses, I guarantee Rosario would be right at the top after Halle. People know her.

And potential....based on?

[jmc]

Again, this word 'potential' keeps rearing it head.

[Two-Face]

JMC, who do you want for Catwoman?

[cerealkiller182]

Wait, what's with the Rosario Dawson hate? I think she has a lot of charisma and likeability, and is a solid, reliable actress to be on everyone's mind but doesnt have that super-wow breakthrough performance to bring her to the top yet. Shes on my list of possibilities but there are more capable people, but certainly has the ability to do the character justice.

[elgato]

Rosario would be great, but it's time to have a real take on Catwoman, I want a chaucasian Selina in this movies, not because I think she would be better that way, but because she has been portrayed that way in comics all time, In year one, I know its a hot debate, but she's white even some people don't like to agree with that argument.

[cerealkiller182]

Im just completely baffled that a people have such a passionate response to something that really isnt going to change the character

[Crook]

There are some, such as me, that like to keep in tact the character's core and iconography as much as possible.

[elgato]

Saaaame here, Crook

[cerealkiller182]

There are some, such as me, that like to keep in tact the character's core and iconography as much as possible.

So by possibly making her a different ethnicity ruins the core of the character? I dont believe that for a second.

I'd say the core of Catwoman is much more than skin color, and most of her iconography can be kept in tact even with a simple skin color change. Its not like they are going to base the character on Lil' Kim or something. Making her another ethnicity changes nothing but skin color, that doesnt mean she should be another ethnicity and it doesnt mean it works for all characters. I just don't think actresses should be completely written off for superficial reasons. I find that what actresses could bring to the table or how they could handle the performance isnt even being considered just because

[Crook]

So by possibly making her a different ethnicity ruins the core of the character? I dont believe that for a second.

I'd say the core of Catwoman is much more than skin color, and most of her iconography can be kept in tact even with a simple skin color change. Its not like they are going to base the character on Lil' Kim or something. Making her another ethnicity changes nothing but skin color, that doesnt mean she should be another ethnicity and it doesnt mean it works for all characters. I just don't think actresses should be completely written off for superficial reasons. I find that what actresses could bring to the table or how they could handle the performance isnt even being considered just because
You could have saved the time of writing this post if you actually read the "and iconography" part of my statement. They are two very different things.

:huh:

[jmc]

JMC, who do you want for Catwoman?

From the list of names on the pole I can live with Weisz, Cotillard, Winslet, Swank, Blanchette, Theron or Jolie.

[elgato]

My list

Marion, Rachel Weisz, Angie, Keri Russell, Theron, Blanchett and Dushku

[RockyBatboa]

"Needs" is the problem in what you say.

She may be, or if Nolan comes up with something for Catwoman (we don't know anything about it, yet), and that is the path he goes.

But there is no "need" whatsoever. Everything is up to the context.



And Angelina Jolie would be the perfect choice for Catwoman.

Just like the insanely intelligent RockyBatboa said.


:word:Thanks Merc. Right back at ya.:nono:

[RockyBatboa]

I just want to know why people are so high on Rosario. She acts and looks sexy, but beyond that why exactly is she on the top of the list?

She's sexy. She's got edge in her roles. She's kind of an offbeat choice, which is what a lot of the fans seem to look for....and she's on top of her career.

:twisted:

[batman11]

Rosario's acting makes me want to slit my wrist with a spoon.

That's what I call dedication. :up:

[RockyBatboa]

No, no, dont hold back.

Violence is what brings the people of this world togeather.




AND THEN SPONTANEOUSLY RIPS THEM APART!

[Mercurius]

:word:Thanks Merc. Right back at ya.:nono:


Hey, this is apocryphal! :woot:

[Laderlappen]

I think the only reason a black actress is so popular with Catwoman is because there had been black actresses portraying her in movies. I prefer a white person for Catwoman just as mucha s I prefer a white person for Batman, Alfred, Gordon, & Riddler.

[C. Lee]

I dont support her for Catwoman, but....

Slit your wrist with a spoon.

You realize that would be awesome for me to watch, right?:woot:

Encouraging people to commit suicide because they have an opinion that differs from yours is an example of the kind of behavior not allowed or wanted on here. Do not do such a thing again....and cut back on the tough guy attitude towards people you disagree with. This is a site for discussion and debate....not a place to practice school yard bullying.

[Ace of Knaves]

To be fair C.Lee Cap said it first joking around, then Rocky replied joking around. But yea he does seem to have a attitude problem.

[C. Lee]

To be fair C.Lee Cap said it first joking around, then Rocky replied joking around. But yea he does seem to have a attitude problem.

I read through his past posts...he indeed has an attitude problem.

[The Major]

I think the only reason a black actress is so popular with Catwoman is because there had been black actresses portraying her in movies.
Only one black actress playing Selina Kyle IIRC. That was Eartha Kitt. Halle Berry doesn't count since the only connection she has to Catwoman is the name.

I prefer a white person for Catwoman just as mucha s I prefer a white person for Batman, Alfred, Gordon, & Riddler.
Agreed.

[Two-Face]

From the list of names on the pole I can live with Weisz, Cotillard, Winslet, Swank, Blanchette, Theron or Jolie.

No to ones highlighted, They are good actress' but they I don't see them as Catwoman.

[Ace of Knaves]

^Agreed.

[WeaponXProject]

No to ones highlighted, They are good actress' but they I don't see them as Catwoman.


I'd take Swank out of those three but I'm not so sure I would even consider that...

[regwec]

I prefer a white person for Catwoman just as mucha s I prefer a white person for Batman, Alfred, Gordon, & Riddler.

As I have said in the past, I don't think you have to apply ethnic revisionism to all characters because you choose it for one. I think that Gordon and the Riddler could be revised, but Bruce Wayne couldn't be, because both of his identities are so dependent on certain western cultural identities and influences. Similarly, Alfred is really an English stereotype (though an affectionate one- I am an Englishman and I like him a great deal), and would be impossible to change.

Selina, however, is an adventurous, acquisitive, thrill-seeking, flirtatious woman. I don't think it makes a great deal of difference whether she looks like Audrey Hepburn or Rihanna.

[regwec]

How the hell is a black Catwoman going to be any more appealing than a white one?

I said that a black Catwoman "could be" appealing, not that she would undoubtedly be "more appealing".

But why shouldn't a black actress be more appealing that a white counterpart? By asking "how the hell" it would be possible, you seem to imply that it is an impossibility. I don't understand why you would take that view.

[Crook]

But why shouldn't a black actress be more appealing that a white counterpart? By asking "how the hell" it would be possible, you seem to imply that it is an impossibility. I don't understand why you would take that view.
Well..why would it be, for a character who is known to be white?

[Ace of Knaves]

Skin colour should have NOTHING to do with it. The "appeal" factor should come from the performance, whether that performance comes from a white girl, a black girl, a yellow girl, a green girl is irrelevant.

But as Crook says, Catwoman is white in 99% of her incarnations. So that is obviously an important factor.

[jmc]

I said that a black Catwoman ''could be'' appealing, not that she would undoubtedly be ''more appealing''.

But why shouldn't a black actress be more appealing that a white counterpart? By asking ''how the hell'' it would be possible, you seem to imply that it is an impossibility. I don't understand why you would take that view.

Dude, you clearly misses the point I was making, it's a useless point to say one race is going to be more appealing than the other because it's not true, white, black, asian, latino, whatever, none is going to make a more appealing Catwoman than another. And if we are talking about being 'more appealing', who exactly are we appealing too by making the character something she is not?

[Brian Braddock]

Skin colour should have NOTHING to do with it. The "appeal" factor should come from the performance, whether that performance comes from a white girl, a black girl, a yellow girl, a green girl is irrelevant.

But as Crook says, Catwoman is white in 99% of her incarnations. So that is obviously an important factor.

You've managed to say in 2 small paragraphs what in essense are my feelings on the subject.

Sure, the performance is oh-so integral but cinema is also a visual medium; looks are undoubtedly important when adapting a medium where the characters already exist in one form or another.

I mean, surely the objective is to get as close to the source material is humanly possible?

I can understand a change if there was an actress of another colour who just stood out head and shoulders so much above the rest that her casting was essential but, well, there isnt as far as I'm concerned.

Not one that springs to mind, anyway.

[regwec]

I didn't say that any race is more appealing than any other, and you seem to have modified your view by acknowledging that an actress from of any ethnicity could be as successful as an actress from another. I am grateful for that.

I think it is important that we remember that we are talking about individuals. We are not talking about "black Catwoman" or "white Catwoman", we are talking about "Catwoman played by actress x, who is black" and "Catwoman played by actress y, who is white". Surely we must agree that neither variant should immediately be seen as inferior to the other.

I should clarify- and I hope this doesn't compromise my argument- by saying that I just happen to like women with darker skin, from a purely subjective and aesthetic perspective. I'm not "thinking with my penis", but it may lead to a slightly more open outlook to this question.

[Brian Braddock]

So you actually are bias then, Reg

:oldrazz:

(I'm joking, of course)

[regwec]

I mean, surely the objective is to get as close to the source material is humanly possible?.
It clearly wasn't the objective behind BB or TDK.

TDK's Joker was "the same but different" to his comicbook counterpart in a sense similar to a black Catwoman who retains other important elements from the source material.

[Crook]

It clearly wasn't the objective behind BB or TDK.

TDK's Joker was "the same but different" to his comicbook counterpart in a sense similar to a black Catwoman who retains other important elements from the source material.
TDK Joker still had the core aesthetic attributes that he's more famous for. Depending on the black actress' skin color, it's more akin to a visual alteration rather than character.

I'm not going to lie, a Selina with a skin tone of Viola Davis would "bug" me for quite a long while, rather than someone of Rosario Dawson or Alicia Keys.

[The Major]

It clearly wasn't the objective behind BB or TDK.

TDK's Joker was "the same but different" to his comicbook counterpart in a sense similar to a black Catwoman who retains other important elements from the source material.
Nolan kept the character to the same ethnicity, though. Changing skin color can make an enormous change for a character in a visual medium, especially when it may not be needed at all.

It should only be a case where an actress proves to be better then the default ethnicity IMO. Something which will be hard to do when Hollywood is filled with many talented white actresses who could ace the role. This is why, as much I'd want her to get it, Alana de la Garza would never be be Selina.

[CaptainClown]

To be fair C.Lee Cap said it first joking around, then Rocky replied joking around. But yea he does seem to have a attitude problem.
Ace of Knaves my hero :swoon:

[RockyBatboa]

Hey, this is apocryphal! :woot:


I WOULD GIVE ROCKY MY OWN WOMAN!!




no it wasnt. i wasnt using your own tactics against you to make a point.


i was using your own delightful tactics against you in order to make myself laugh (you too hopefully.)


Seriously, i used to have problems w/ being apocryphal in my dreary past, but i've seriously overcomed this problem.



Seriously.
























:woot:

[RockyBatboa]

Encouraging people to commit suicide because they have an opinion that differs from yours is an example of the kind of behavior not allowed or wanted on here. Do not do such a thing again....and cut back on the tough guy attitude towards people you disagree with. This is a site for discussion and debate....not a place to practice school yard bullying.

Woah.

Captain Clown and i werent even arguing. He was obviously making a joke with the whole "slit his own risk"

I realised he was making a joke, and i was only joking about him doing it.

I do NOT find actual suicide funny, nor do i find humor in someone sadly seriously considering it.

You're seriously FINDING fault here where there is none. If you re-read his orginal post , you'll find we NEVER argued over anything. In fact he said he didnt like Rosario Dawson and wondered why anyone did. I gave possible reasons why others do like her even though i dont like her myself.

"Encouaging people to commit suicide"??? That is a SERIOUS judgement, and you are very faulty in making it.

And i'm not copping any attitude here, either.

I state how i see things, i make valuable points, make a few jokes.

This is just....wow!:huh:




And saying that someone has "an attitude" is a blanket insult and judgement.

Anyone could say about anyone else that they have "an attitude" merely b/c they have dislike for the person.

We both know your response to me was not in CONTEXT to the original posts. I have seen first hand the effects of suicidal thinking in my own friend's life, and as i said, i do not find real suicide real suicide talk to be funny in the least.

As for attitude, i have defended quite a few other posters here i thought were being bullied. Nowhere did you step in and scold those posters responsible for the bullying , nor congratulate me for defending those being bulliled.

True, when i've engaged in debates with other posters, i have expressed some attitude-after they responded to my posts with arrogance and mockery. Did i whine and complain? NO. Because it's a message board, and theese things will happen.

My point is, if you're not going to rush to my defense when someone insults me, please dont falsely judge me concerning a humor that in no way was an attack on someone else.

That was a PERSONAL (and false) judgement you made of me, and if anything you owe me an apology and further explanation on your comments about attitude.

Now, i dont expect this. But that is MY opinion.

If this post gets me in trouble here, so be it. I have a right to my opinions.

[RockyBatboa]

I read through his past posts...he indeed has an attitude problem.


Taken in full context, you are in error in singling me out.

I've already cited the post on this thread you've responded to.

I have no attitude. For all i know, you just have an axe to grind with me.
Not everyone thinks alike.

[RockyBatboa]

Skin colour should have NOTHING to do with it. The "appeal" factor should come from the performance, whether that performance comes from a white girl, a black girl, a yellow girl, a green girl is irrelevant.

But as Crook says, Catwoman is white in 99% of her incarnations. So that is obviously an important factor.


But wait a minute, you're simply contradicting yourself with theese 2 statements.

No offense, but which one is it?

IMO, if a character has a long history of being a certain race, a creative team should really try and mantain it-and that goes for any race. any long-lasting character, whether white, black,ect.


And what gives you the impression i have an attitude?:huh:

[RockyBatboa]

Ace of Knaves my hero :swoon:



Captain Clown , you're MY hero!:grin:

[Ace of Knaves]

But wait a minute, you're simply contradicting yourself with theese 2 statements.

No offense, but which one is it?

IMO, if a character has a long history of being a certain race, a creative team should really try and mantain it-and that goes for any race. any long-lasting character, whether white, black,ect.


And what gives you the impression i have an attitude?:huh:

I'm not contradicting myself.

I'm saying a performance shouldn't be judged on skin colour. But I am also saying that the fact the Selina is white in most of her appearances should be taken into account.

[C. Lee]

And saying that someone has "an attitude" is a blanket insult and judgement.Maybe you should re-read your previous posts....where you repeatedly call people asses and several other names demeaning their intelligenge because they have an opinion different from yours.

Anyone could say about anyone else that they have "an attitude" merely b/c they have dislike for the person.
I had never heard of you until I recieved a complaint...so I had no preconcieved ideas about you.

We both know your response to me was not in CONTEXT to the original posts. I have seen first hand the effects of suicidal thinking in my own friend's life, and as i said, i do not find real suicide real suicide talk to be funny in the least.
If you have seen the effects of suicide on people before....then I am extremely surprised that you still think it is something to joke about in any context.

As for attitude, i have defended quite a few other posters here i thought were being bullied. Nowhere did you step in and scold those posters responsible for the bullying , nor congratulate me for defending those being bulliled.
I haven't been in the BatBoards for about 6 months or so (I am back now though)...which means I haven't congratulated or reprimanded anyone in here until a few days ago.

True, when i've engaged in debates with other posters, i have expressed some attitude-after they responded to my posts with arrogance and mockery. Did i whine and complain? NO. Because it's a message board, and theese things will happen.

My point is, if you're not going to rush to my defense when someone insults me, please dont falsely judge me concerning a humor that in no way was an attack on someone else.
Mods can't see every post made at a board of this size....so occasionaly something falls through the cracks....if they are not brought to our attention, we can't do anything about them. We try to cover everything...but we do miss things.

That was a PERSONAL (and false) judgement you made of me, and if anything you owe me an apology and further explanation on your comments about attitude.As I said earlier....I read most of your previous 300 posts....you have a habit of belittleling people who have opinions that difgfers from yours.

Now, i dont expect this. But that is MY opinion.

If this post gets me in trouble here, so be it. I have a right to my opinions.These posts haven't gotten you in trouble at all....the rude PM you sent on the other hand make me wonder why I bother responding civily to you.

Taken in full context, you are in error in singling me out.Not really....the one guy made a crude joke about him committing suicide...YOU responded by agreeing that he should and that you would find it humorous.

I have no attitude. For all i know, you just have an axe to grind with me.
As I said earlier....how can I have an axe to grind with you....when I had never heard of you until I recieved a complaint about you?

[Sentinel X]

I think the best actress on the list that would make a good Catwoman are:

- Angelina Jolie
- Charlize Theron
- Keri Russell
- Rachael Weisz


Btw, Kate Beckensale in 2nd place, she not terrible but she isn't a good actress...and Eliza Dushku in 4th, wow, thats just bad imo.

[RockyBatboa]

C. Lee-

You know, anyon who gives an opinion , and then makes it difficult for someone to respond to it may be being very one-sided.

When i debate with another person, i encourage that they say their piece. Debates can be interesting, knowledge-gaining, and just fun experiences.

I tried to respond to your post with the quote feature was not allowed. I wonder why.


First off, you say you had no preconceived notions of me, but then you go on to say you have read most of my 300 posts.

Then you suggested i reread them. I dont need to do that, b/c i know what i've written previously.

I dont demean someone for having a different opinion than me. I encourage them to have a different opinion, if anything. But i will say that i have STRONG opinions, so i dont back down when someone tells ME i'm wrong, and they shouldnt either.

However, you are way off base to falsely comdemn me for "joking about real suicide". This insinuation would only come from the basest kind of person.

The above poster said he would "cut his writs with a plastic fork if a specifici actress was cast in a movie".

Now, we all know how legitamite this statement is, dont we? Right, not at all.

You lied about me, you falsely accused me, and you still have done so with this post above mine.

My pm wasnt rude, and you're surely not being civil.

I'll say here what i said in the pm.

You falsely accused me of encouraging genuine suicide (and genuine suicide or suicidal threats are one of the things in this world i find NOT FUNNY at all)

You used your mod status in a corrupt way of insinuating a false claim against me.

And you did it for personal dislike of me which is clear, when you again falsely accuse me of a "majority negative beavior" in such a ONE-SIDED manner.

B/c of theese actions, i said in the pm that i had NO respect for you.

And it is definitely my opinion you do have an axe to grind. This post of yours here near cements that.

[Two-Face]

I think the best actress on the list that would make a good Catwoman are:

- Angelina Jolie
- Charlize Theron
- Keri Russell
- Rachael Weisz


Btw, Kate Beckensale in 2nd place, she not terrible but she isn't a good actress...and Eliza Dushku in 4th, wow, thats just bad imo.



I agree with that. I can't see Eliza playing Catwoman but then it's up to Nolan.

[Mercurius]

no it wasnt. i wasnt using your own tactics against you to make a point.


i was using your own delightful tactics against you in order to make myself laugh (you too hopefully.)


Seriously, i used to have problems w/ being apocryphal in my dreary past, but i've seriously overcomed this problem.



Seriously.
























:woot:


Bad joke.

It's a shame, you've started with some good stuff.

I see C. Lee is right about you.

[Alex Logan]

You know, anyon who gives an opinion, and then makes it difficult for someone to respond to it may be being very one-sided.

Well, you've done that very thing to several others.

When i debate with another person, i encourage that they say their piece. Debates can be interesting, knowledge-gaining, and just fun experiences.

No, you really don't. You just insult them.

First off, you say you had no preconceived notions of me, but then you go on to say you have read most of my 300 posts.

He didn't have any preconceived notions about you. He read your posts to see what kind of person you are. The evidence is pretty obvious.

I dont demean someone for having a different opinion than me. I encourage them to have a different opinion, if anything. But i will say that i have STRONG opinions, so i dont back down when someone tells ME i'm wrong, and they shouldnt either.

No, you just drain all the fun out a thread until no one wants to post there any more.

Opinions and wrong or right don't belong in the same sentance, that's why they're called opinions. :cwink:

However, you are way off base to falsely comdemn me for "joking about real suicide". This insinuation would only come from the basest kind of person.

You shouldn't even "joke" about such things, after all your other actions in other threads that was icing on the cake.

You lied about me, you falsely accused me, and you still have done so with this post above mine.

Doubtful.

My pm wasnt rude, and you're surely not being civil.

I'll say here what i said in the pm.

You falsely accused me of encouraging genuine suicide (and genuine suicide or suicidal threats are one of the things in this world i find NOT FUNNY at all)

You used your mod status in a corrupt way of insinuating a false claim against me.

And you did it for personal dislike of me which is clear, when you again falsely accuse me of a "majority negative beavior" in such a ONE-SIDED manner.

B/c of theese actions, i said in the pm that i had NO respect for you.

And it is definitely my opinion you do have an axe to grind. This post of yours here near cements that.

You really do have some serious delusions of grandeur. The mod was just doing his job. Oh, but wait, you can't EVER be wrong right? Keep arguing with the mod and see where that lands you smart guy.

And now back to Catwoman!!!!

Anyone watch Dollhouse on Friday? What did you think of Eliza?

[The Major]

Anyone watch Dollhouse on Friday? What did you think of Eliza?
It was great. Eliza is a good actress, she just isn't skilled enough for Nolan's movies IMO.

[namtaB]

C. Lee-

You know, anyon who gives an opinion , and then makes it difficult for someone to respond to it may be being very one-sided.

When i debate with another person, i encourage that they say their piece. Debates can be interesting, knowledge-gaining, and just fun experiences.

I tried to respond to your post with the quote feature was not allowed. I wonder why.


First off, you say you had no preconceived notions of me, but then you go on to say you have read most of my 300 posts.

Then you suggested i reread them. I dont need to do that, b/c i know what i've written previously.

I dont demean someone for having a different opinion than me. I encourage them to have a different opinion, if anything. But i will say that i have STRONG opinions, so i dont back down when someone tells ME i'm wrong, and they shouldnt either.

However, you are way off base to falsely comdemn me for "joking about real suicide". This insinuation would only come from the basest kind of person.

The above poster said he would "cut his writs with a plastic fork if a specifici actress was cast in a movie".

Now, we all know how legitamite this statement is, dont we? Right, not at all.

You lied about me, you falsely accused me, and you still have done so with this post above mine.

My pm wasnt rude, and you're surely not being civil.

I'll say here what i said in the pm.

You falsely accused me of encouraging genuine suicide (and genuine suicide or suicidal threats are one of the things in this world i find NOT FUNNY at all)

You used your mod status in a corrupt way of insinuating a false claim against me.

And you did it for personal dislike of me which is clear, when you again falsely accuse me of a "majority negative beavior" in such a ONE-SIDED manner.

B/c of theese actions, i said in the pm that i had NO respect for you.

And it is definitely my opinion you do have an axe to grind. This post of yours here near cements that.

This isn't a democracy here. C. Lee can use his mod status anyway he likes. Whether you feel its one-sided, a witch hunt, or whatever is irrelevant. If he calls you out then comply by what he says or leave. But arguing will get you nowhere and probably banned.

[p4poetic]

I just wanted to stop by here and say this is amazing artwork (http://theangryfish.deviantart.com/art/Catwoman-11135380). I thought it was actually a photograph when I saw it.

[Crook]

It's drawn from an actual pic:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/302/f69christina017qc4.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/302/f69christina017qc4.jpg)

[Ace of Knaves]

Did you make that Crook?

[Crook]

Oh, no no. Don't be silly.










I only draw pictures of men. :O

Kidding. :p

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe:

Who is it?

[Crook]

Wednesday from the Addams Family.... aka Christina Ricci:

http://www.shakewellbeforeuse.com/images/christina-ricci.jpg

She's actually put her name out there for Selina, incidentally. She wants to play this role. But I'm afraid she just looks too young for Bale.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea she could be a pretty good Selina, but I don't think she could get that electric chemistry with Bale that is needed for the role.

We need a proper "woman" for the role, you know?

[Crook]

Then again Bryce is playing his wife and the mother of his child in Terminator, and she too looks young for him.

Maybe Bruce just likes young kitty. :o

[Crook]

Then again Bryce is playing his wife and the mother of his child in Terminator, and she too looks young for him.

Maybe Bruce just likes young kitty. :o

[Ace of Knaves]

hehehe maybe. But I dunno, I think it's gonna be hard to get someone who will have a good chemistry with Bale. If I'm honest I don't think I have seen him have a good chemistry with another actress ever. Actually, he did in that Harsh Times with that Mexican girl.

[Crook]

Yeah. I've long said it's Bale and not the actress. Any spark I've seen him with another female, has not been too convincing.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think it might be Bale. I could imagine him being quite, I dunno, prickly or abrasive. He doesn't seem that warm or genuine when he acts with women.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah. I've long said it's Bale and not the actress. Any spark I've seen him with another female, has not been too convincing.I agree, which is why I think that Catwoman in a Nolan Batman movie could be a mini disaster.

[Crook]

This is a special case, however. We are dealing with Batman, someone who is inherently (or supposed to be at this point) lost in the realm of emotional connection.

Keaton wasn't exactly lovey-dovey eyed when he was with Pfeiffer, but he pulled it off amazingly well, imo. IIRC, he hardly even did/said anything at all. :funny:

It's all about compatibility, which is something I don't think can be fabricated. Thus, performance-wise it's out of your hands. You either have it with someone or you don't.

[regwec]

A lack of comfortable chemistry with a romantic partner is exactly what Bruce Wayne experiences, so it would be fine to see Bale struggle with in on screen.

[p4poetic]

Wednesday from the Addams Family.... aka Christina Ricci:



She's actually put her name out there for Selina, incidentally. She wants to play this role. But I'm afraid she just looks too young for Bale.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5933/batmanbegins510645353lr8.jpg

[regwec]

Yeah, that little boy is too young for Bale.

[Crook]

A lack of comfortable chemistry with a romantic partner is exactly what Bruce Wayne experiences, so it would be fine to see Bale struggle with in on screen.
Struggling chemistry is just awkward and unconvincing. There has to be some semblance of a conceivable bond between the two.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5933/batmanbegins510645353lr8.jpg
Yes, she does as well. I intentionally left her out as my memory of her was beginning to fade, but thanks for bringing it back to the forefront. :o

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This is a special case, however. We are dealing with Batman, someone who is inherently (or supposed to be at this point) lost in the realm of emotional connection.

Keaton wasn't exactly lovey-dovey eyed when he was with Pfeiffer, but he pulled it off amazingly well, imo. IIRC, he hardly even did/said anything at all. :funny:

It's all about compatibility, which is something I don't think can be fabricated. Thus, performance-wise it's out of your hands. You either have it with someone or you don't. I am a huge fan of the character so I know how Batman acts. I'm not asking for Peter Parker here. Still I find it annoying that I haven't seen one movie where Bale has real chemistry with his female co-star. I hated BR and didn't find the chemistry to be all that great between the co-stars so thats not a good example to me. But I understand what you are saying.

They should get some cold strange actress for Catwoman because I think that is the only thing that will unthall Bale. Somebody like Samantha Morton.

[Crook]

I am a huge fan of the character so I know how Batman acts. I'm not asking for Peter Parker here. Still I find it annoying that I haven't seen one movie where Bale has real chemistry with his female co-star. I hated BR and didn't find the chemistry to be all that great between the co-stars so thats not a good example to me. But I understand what you are saying.

They should get some cold strange actress for Catwoman because I think that is the only thing that will unthall Bale. Somebody like Samantha Morton.
Have you been a fan of any romantic depictions of Batman and another female, be it live-action or animation?

[Ace of Knaves]

I thought the chemistry between Keaton and Pfiffer was electric...

[regwec]

The probably the best I can recall is Batman and Wonder Woman in the Justice League cartoons.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Have you been a fan of any romantic depictions of Batman and another female, be it live-action or animation?The Timm/Dini animated series comes to mind. I loved that depection of Catwoman and Batman, although it was hindered a bit because of the standards they had abide by.

Edit: Regwec just pointed out another Batman relationship that I adored.

It's no secret that I'm a huge fan of Timm/Dini's cartoons.

[Crook]

The Timm series is interesting to point out, because Bruce's relationships were pretty much female-dominated. You will find very little instances in which Bats is doing any of the moves or actions, so to speak.

[I Am The Knight]

I thought the chemistry between Keaton and Pfiffer was electric...

Yes it was purrrfect!!

[C. Lee]

C. Lee-
You know, anyon who gives an opinion , and then makes it difficult for someone to respond to it may be being very one-sided.
Telling someone not to be rude or to call other people names while debating them is not in my opinion "making it difficult to rspond". If you find it difficult to debate without resorting to these tacticts...that is not my fault.

When i debate with another person, i encourage that they say their piece. Debates can be interesting, knowledge-gaining, and just fun experiences.Yes, debates can be interesting, knowledgegaining, and fun....until people resort to name calling and belittleling comments.

I tried to respond to your post with the quote feature was not allowed. I wonder why.I wonder why too....because contrary to your implication that I had something to do with it....I have no control whatsoever over whether someone can use the quote feature or not. If you are referring to the breaking up of one long post into many individual "multi" quotes....that is something that you have to do manually.

First off, you say you had no preconceived notions of me, but then you go on to say you have read most of my 300 posts.Yes, I read them....after I made the initial infraction.

Then you suggested i reread them. I dont need to do that, b/c i know what i've written previously.Then you agree that you have called people asses multiple times and repeatedly insult people...and find nothing wrong with that kind of behavior. Nice.

I dont demean someone for having a different opinion than me. I encourage them to have a different opinion, if anything. But i will say that i have STRONG opinions, so i dont back down when someone tells ME i'm wrong, and they shouldnt either.
Sorry...but in my world, calling someone an ass when they disagree is demeaning.

However, you are way off base to falsely comdemn me for "joking about real suicide". This insinuation would only come from the basest kind of person.Here is your post -
RockyBatboa
I dont support her for Catwoman, but....

Slit your wrist with a spoon.

You realize that would be awesome for me to watch, right?:woot:
-

The above poster said he would "cut his writs with a plastic fork if a specifici actress was cast in a movie".
Now, we all know how legitamite this statement is, dont we? Right, not at all.It doesn't matter if his original post is legitament or not. You continued it with encouraging him to do it and saying that "would be awesome to watch." This is a site predominately frequented by teenagers. We have about one every couple of months threaten or contemplate suicide. We have made an effort to stop the lighthearted attitude towards this that is put forth by many of the other posters here. As you said in an earlier post...you have seen the horrors that suicide causes on the people close to them...so again I say, I find it hard to believe that you would want to joke about such a situation.

You lied about me, you falsely accused me, and you still have done so with this post above mine.I have shown the post infracted (where you joked about suicide0...so how is infracting you for this a lie?

My pm wasnt rude, and you're surely not being civil.You called me "corrupt", "pathetic", and a "joke"....because I gave you an infraction. I consider that rude. I haven't resorted to that against you. I have attempted to answer all your questions and points. I believe I am being very civil.

I'll say here what i said in the pm.

You falsely accused me of encouraging genuine suicide (and genuine suicide or suicidal threats are one of the things in this world i find NOT FUNNY at all)

You used your mod status in a corrupt way of insinuating a false claim against me.Perhaps you should reread the infraction sent to you. I accused you of encouraging suicide, calling people names, and cyber bullying. This is not corrupt...that is the basic duties of a moderator.

And you did it for personal dislike of me which is clear, when you again falsely accuse me of a "majority negative beavior" in such a ONE-SIDED manner.

B/c of theese actions, i said in the pm that i had NO respect for you.I have neither a personal like or dislike for you. Here is the link to the post where I said I believed you have an attitude problem. http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16430287&postcount=6687 Please show me where I accused you of having a "majority negative beavior"

And it is definitely my opinion you do have an axe to grind. This post of yours here near cements that. I have no axe to grind. Ask around...if I had somekind of agenda to get rid of you...you would be banned already. I am posting responses in the open forums...because you made statements in the open forums about "personal axes to grind", accusing me of using my mod powers to keep you from quoting posts, accused me of lieing, and accusing me of "making things up" about you. I feel those comments need to be rebutted in open forum, because there are people who might believe such accusations unless given both sides of the story to study.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Timm series is interesting to point out, because Bruce's relationships were pretty much female-dominated. You will find very little instances in which Bats is doing any of the moves or actions, so to speak.Now that I think about it, you are correct.

I don't really see Batman as the type of character that would heavily persue a woman.

[Sentinel X]

I thought the chemistry between Keaton and Pfiffer was electric... Agreed. Michelle was just the best thing in the whole movie, all he scenes elevated the film so much imo. And its going to be very hard for Nolan to top the ball scene if he does decide to put Catwoman in the sequel.

SELINA : You know,the mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it.
BRUCE: But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it.
*awkward silence*
SELINA: Oh, my God. Does this mean we have to start fighting?

:up::up:

[Brian Braddock]

I thought the chemistry between Keaton and Pfiffer was electric...

All the more interesting seeing as how they had reputedly had a relationship some years previous and Keaton dumped her quite badly...............

That's were the infamous 'accidental groin kick on the rooftop' legend stems from.


:woot:

[I Am The Knight]

She was with Keaton? She could do so much better.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I used to love Michelle Pfifer. She was like my first famous person crush! :hehe:

[Brian Braddock]

Oh, most certainly Knight. Someone with a chin, for a start. ;)

I guess its true what they say - some girls do love a guy with a sense of humour.

[Brian Braddock]

EDIT: Double Post.

Bloody Hype server..................

[Crook]

Now that I think about it, you are correct.

I don't really see Batman as the type of character that would heavily persue a woman.
Yup. So with that said, what exactly were your issues with Keaton/Pfeiffer?

All the more interesting seeing as how they had reputedly had a relationship some years previous and Keaton dumped her quite badly...............

That's were the infamous 'accidental groin kick on the rooftop' legend stems from.


:woot:
Hrm, first I've heard of that. Any link or more details?

[Brian Braddock]

Yea I used to love Michelle Pfifer. She was like my first famous person crush! :hehe:

Same here, dude.

After Erin Grey................

[I Am The Knight]

Oh, most certainly Knight. Someone with a chin, for a start. ;)

I guess its true what they say - some girls do love a guy with a sense of humour.

Hih. I guess it was payback time for her during those nasty fights in Returns :hehe:

[Brian Braddock]

Hrm, first I've heard of that. Any link or more details?

'Fraid not; just something I remember reading at the time of BR's release.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yup. So with that said, what exactly were your issues with Keaton/Pfeiffer? I never bought Keaton as Batman. He wasn't terrible but I just don't think that he did anything remotely special acting wise and he looks nothing like the many versions of Bruce Wayne that I have in my head. Not attractive enough IMHO. MP did a great job with what she had to work with and looked stunning but I didn't like how Catwoman was writen. Too eractic and crazy and not in enough control of her actions, and the secretary, maybe magical powers, thing was a no, no for me. I'm not the first one to say this and I won't be the last but I thought that it was a sexist protrayal of the character. I think that the awesomely sexy look of the character has blinded people to the truth.

[Crook]

I never bought Keaton as Batman. He wasn't terrible but I just don't think that he did anything remotely special acting wise and he looks nothing like the many versions of Bruce Wayne that I have in my head. Not attractive enough IMHO. MP did a great job with what she had to work with and looked stunning but I didn't like how Catwoman was writen. Too eractic and crazy and not in enough control of her actions, and the secretary, maybe magical powers, thing was a no, no for me. I'm not the first one to say this and I won't be the last but I thought that it was a sexist protrayal of the character. I think that the awesomely sexy look of the character has blinded people to the truth.
I understand the critiques against character depiction, but I was referring more to the Bruce/Selina dynamic, in relation to other interpretations of their relationship.

[Sentinel X]

Oh, most certainly Knight. Someone with a chin, for a start. ;)

I guess its true what they say - some girls do love a guy with a sense of humour. Bud Dum Psssssshhhhh!

[The Major]

I thought the chemistry between Keaton and Pfiffer was electric...
Agreed.

[batboy99]

Wednesday from the Addams Family.... aka Christina Ricci:

http://www.shakewellbeforeuse.com/images/christina-ricci.jpg

She's actually put her name out there for Selina, incidentally. She wants to play this role. But I'm afraid she just looks too young for Bale.Height and age aside, I tihnk she could be a very good Catwoman. She would definetly be an unconventional choice. She looks cat like as well, especially the eyes.

[jmc]

I am the only one who gets the creeps from Christina Ricci?

[CaptainClown]

I am the only one who gets the creeps from Christina Ricci?she has the symptoms of Rhianna and that they have characteristics that are similar to
http://media-content.flixya.com.s3.amazonaws.com/files/firehead17173.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=1TKE66PETJJHG8051 M02&Expires=2098748398&Signature=bsMq4AEopLkuAt64eobD47Vc33s%3D

[Crook]

I'd fillet.....if you know what I mean.

[bgates87]

I am the only one who gets the creeps from Christina Ricci?
Nope, I do too. She looks alright with her hair down (with bangs) sometimes, but when she's got her hair pulled back, there's something about the whole shape of her forehead and face that is just strange.

[CaptainClown]

Nope, I do to. She looks alright with her hair down sometimes, but when she's got her hair pulled back, there's something about the whole shape of her forehead and face that is just strange.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x250/captain_ClownhaHa/HWDEZ9P6RHWTPYNTSW.jpg

[bgates87]

lol, you just had a bunch of images you were saving for the day when this conversation turned to Christina Ricci, didn't you? There is an odd resemblance there though.

[CaptainClown]

lol, you just had a bunch of images you were saving for the day when this conversation turned to Christina Ricci, didn't you? There is an odd resemblance there though.
I have always thought it and saved it from the days of the Harley Quinn threads.

[bgates87]

I don't think she's quite THAT bad though, here's a few pics that to me represent the good and the bad of Christina Ricci:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/315/cr1ga5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^ Kind of cute,

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6779/cr2vq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^ A lot of creepy.

Incidentally, it's a lot easier to find images where she looks like number 2.

... it's also easy to find a lot of images that look like the second one. *ba dum, pshh!*

[CaptainClown]

she looks good when she has bangs over her forehead.

[CaptainClown]

http://lifestyle.sympatico.msn.ca/images/Feeds/PhotoGallery/PHOTO_GALLERY_CELEBTRENDS_BIGBANGS1/Christina_Dimit_13416036_600.jpg

[bgates87]

she looks good when she has bangs over her forehead.
Pretty much.

[Crook]

She looks fine here...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg163/COOLCAT74/christina_ricci.jpg

[CaptainClown]

ehh neh she is alright nothin spectacular, her cranium draws my critical eye

[Crook]

Critical eye is an understatement, lol. I could understand if her forehead was massive and just plain distracting, but it's a minor quibble akin to "she has sharp knees".

Plus, everything else in that pic looks extra sexy. :o

[I Am The Knight]

She needs to cover that forehead...

[CaptainClown]

Critical eye is an understatement, lol. I could understand if her forehead was massive and just plain distracting, but it's a minor quibble akin to "she has sharp knees".

Plus, everything else in that pic looks extra sexy. :o
we aren't talking about everything else in the picture though, I never said the rest of her body is bad at all. Also sharp knees is all good n well cause thats not what we would be looking at during a movie or in a photo. It is her damn head, not like you could cover it up with make up can ya?

[Asr]

Ricci would probably look more normal if she gained weight. As it is, she looks almost alien-ish.

[p4poetic]

I am the only one who gets the creeps from Christina Ricci?

All the more perfect for Catwoman. I think Selina should be somewhat creepy intriguing.

Yea she could be a pretty good Selina, but I don't think she could get that electric chemistry with Bale that is needed for the role.

We need a proper "woman" for the role, you know?

You know this how? People thought Heath Ledger's casting for the Joker was a catastrophe.

[jmc]

All the more perfect for Catwoman. I think Selina should be somewhat creepy intriguing.


I've never associated Catwoman with creepiness, seductive yes, creepy, no.