The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[Cunning Stunts]

Cast Bale's wife. :hehe:

I would, but then we'd have to remove the last remaining name from the list of "Female Relatives Bale's Beaten Up". :p

[RachelDawes]

I would, but then we'd have to remove the last remaining name from the list of "Female Relatives Bale's Beaten Up". :p

True, if Batman fought with Selina we'd have "Batman arrested for assault for second time" jokes. :funny:

[Majik1387]

A very tall order indeed.

I think the only actress to ever have even a semblance of chemistry with Bale was Winona Ryder and that was what, nearly 15 years ago?
Wow that is so sad and true.:csad:

[Johnny Drama]

Winona Ryder is so dreamy...

[mjbull23]

If Catwoman appears, my preference is for Jolie or Biel, but what really disturbs me is the notion of Hilary Swank actually being a selectable option on the poll. Yikes

[Majik1387]

If Catwoman appears, my preference is for Jolie or Biel, but what really disturbs me is the notion of Hilary Swank actually being a selectable option on the poll. Yikes
Contradiction much?:huh:

[batboy99]

Biel= One of the worst actresses in Hollywood and not very pretty either.

[Laderlappen]

The only actress I can think of that is worse than Biel in hollywood is Alba. I was gonna say 'its like casting X for Y character' but I couldnt come up with any actor or actress(except Alba) that isnt better than Biel.

[batboy99]

I prefer Alba over Biel.

[elgato]

she's hotter

[mjbull23]

Contradiction much?:huh:

Let me put it this way. In my opinion. Biel or Jolie is a better choice than Swank. LOL wow.

[Crook]

I feel the same way. If Nolan deemed Biel appropriate enough to cast her, I'd be fine with it.

[Cunning Stunts]

I prefer Alba over Biel.

I'd almost prefer a man over them both, and I'm not even gay... That's how effin' bad they are.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think Biel is THAT bad. Her choosing absolute crap roles hasn't really helped her. But i think she is a better actress than Alba by a long shot.

[The Major]

I don't think Biel is THAT bad. Her choosing absolute crap roles hasn't really helped her. But i think she is a better actress than Alba by a long shot.
Agreed.

[Two-Face]

I don't think Biel is THAT bad. Her choosing absolute crap roles hasn't really helped her. But i think she is a better actress than Alba by a long shot.


True but to some people beauty comes before acting chops. Hence we see Alba in Sin City & F4 movies. Sure beauty is important but having acting chops helps, it's A plus.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, with roles like Selina/Catwoman you have to get that balance just right. You have gotta have a beautiful, yet brilliantly talented woman for the role. It's not like other roles out there for women where you could possibly have one or the other, with Catwoman, you HAVE to have both. And it is a hard task to get that right.

[Two-Face]

I just hope we won't get Katie Holmes type of actress to play this role.

[Ace of Knaves]

Na that will never happen again, especially for a role like Selina/Catwoman.

[Laderlappen]

Acting is always needed for any role.

[Van Petrol]

I just hope we won't get Katie Holmes type of actress to play this role.

That was a studio choice. If Nolan is calling the shots (which I presume so), I don't think we need to worry.

[Crook]

Nolan did say that Rachel was written specifically for Katie, and that it was her role to lose. So, I don't know whether we should take his word on that.

[Van Petrol]

Nolan did say that Rachel was written specifically for Katie, and that it was her role to lose. So, I don't know whether we should take his word on that.

True. But I'm wondering whether she was written into the script after the studio gave the orders, possibly replacing another character in some ways.

[Two-Face]

Nolan did say that Rachel was written specifically for Katie, and that it was her role to lose. So, I don't know whether we should take his word on that.

I said that before in this thread but a lot people laughed me.

[batboy99]

I think he was just saying that. Its like how alot of stars applaud a new movie their in when it actually is crap.

[LadyofLight]

I can't believe some of these casting choices for Selina.

Other than Rachel Weisz I really don't see any of those women above capturing the essence of Selina Kyle. She would be purrfection.

But the bottom line the actress has to look good in the outfit and that's where it becomes a little muddied. I prefer a woman with curves instead of too lean and stick like.

[elgato]

I think Rachel Weisz would be awesome, but I gotta say Marion Cotillard would be even better

[RachelDawes]

I can't believe some of these casting choices for Selina.

Other than Rachel Weisz I really don't see any of those women above capturing the essence of Selina Kyle. She would be purrfection.

But the bottom line the actress has to look good in the outfit and that's where it becomes a little muddied. I prefer a woman with curves instead of too lean and stick like.

Who would you suggest other than Rachel Weisz?

[Van Petrol]

I think Rachel Weisz would be awesome, but I gotta say Marion Cotillard would be even better

Personally, I'm not feeling all the love for Marion Cotillard.

[Laderlappen]

Why not? She's perfect.

[elgato]

Personally, I'm not feeling all the love for Marion Cotillard.

Why? She's purrfect!! At least for me, she's a wonderful actress and looks way a lot to the character

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/cxsza.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/sexymarion1.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/marionbc1.jpghttp://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/marionbc2.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/marion_02.jpg

And a manip I made of her:

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/catwoman_manip_00_gato_chico.png

[regwec]

I've never seen her in anything, but already she bores me to tears.

[batboy99]

Wtf?!?

[Bond]

Well she's a great actress, and she definitely has the look of Catwoman... I think WB is going to want more of a big name for Selina Kyle though.

[batboy99]

I think in the time frame for mnow till BB3, she might become a bigger name with moviesl ike Public Enemies and Nine. I like her alot, especially cuz she has recognition, but at the same time, isnt too over exposed.

[Crook]

I've never seen her in anything, but already she bores me to tears.
Heretic. :cmad:

[regwec]

I don't care for organised religion.

[batboy99]

:dry:

[Laderlappen]

Well she's a great actress, and she definitely has the look of Catwoman... I think WB is going to want more of a big name for Selina Kyle though.WB has no saying anymore. Plus she's not less famous than many of the other actors in the series.

[BobJM]

Its her accent that bothers me. If she can hide it well, go for it. But I haven't seen any proof of that.

[elgato]

I've never seen her in anything, but already she bores me to tears.

hahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahaha that's a joke isn't it? lol if you knew of acting then you would have already seen la vie en rose then so i'll ignore your comments from now xD xD

[brinomite]

I'm not entirely sure im sold on the whole catwoman idea...i mean, i thought it was brilliant the way in which nolan introduced the theme of copycat vigilantes in TDK, but it would almost seem kinda masturbatory to continue on that relatively minor motif.

[Crook]

I'm not entirely sure im sold on the whole catwoman idea...i mean, i thought it was brilliant the way in which nolan introduced the theme of copycat vigilantes in TDK, but it would almost seem kinda masturbatory to continue on that relatively minor motif.
How? The copycat subplot, if you can even call it that, was hardly pronounced. It played such a little role that it minds as well have been throwaway material.

Besides, the existence of Catwoman doesn't have to follow that route. She has coincided within Batman's world just fine without being relegated to an imitation.

[brinomite]

How? The copycat subplot, if you can even call it that, was hardly pronounced. It played such a little role that it minds as well have been throwaway material.

Besides, the existence of Catwoman doesn't have to follow that route. She has coincided within Batman's world just fine without being relegated to an imitation.

in part, i respectfully agree. However, catwomans' existence hasn't coincided within nolan's batman world yet. but what the hell do we know anyway really? haha-this anticipation for a 3rd film if there is one is beating the **** out of me:waa:

[Laderlappen]

Its her accent that bothers me. If she can hide it well, go for it. But I haven't seen any proof of that.Doesnt bother me. Infact she has one of the sexiest accents in hollywood imo.

[Johnny Drama]

Doesnt bother me. Infact she has one of the sexiest accents in hollywood imo.


http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k332/Christopher_Jason/supportpost.jpg?t=1237250995

[WeaponXProject]

I've never seen her in anything, but already she bores me to tears.


Academy award winning actress that Rolling Stone and Ebert called the future multi winning actress to come.

Check her movies out and we'll have to see how she is used/performs in Public Enemies.


She's definitely something special.

[elgato]

in the public enemies trailer her accent didn't sound thick, as laderlappen said it sound really sexy :)

[Crook]

Oh yes, it did. :o

Someone who's read the PE script clarify, exactly how many lines does Marion's character have? I'd be greatly disappointed if it's another throwaway girlfriend role.

[Blackman]

Academy award winning actress that Rolling Stone and Ebert called the future multi winning actress to come.

Check her movies out and we'll have to see how she is used/performs in Public Enemies.


She's definitely something special.

If we listened to Rolling Stone then Tha Carter III would be a near perfect album
If we listen to Ebert Get Rich or Die Tryin would be a good movie

Anyway I dont see Cotillard as Catwoman but she is a good actress

[WeaponXProject]

If we listened to Rolling Stone then Tha Carter III would be a near perfect album
If we listen to Ebert Get Rich or Die Tryin would be a good movie

Anyway I dont see Cotillard as Catwoman but she is a good actress

Oh c'mon. If I pointed out 5% of what you said and posted them maybe they would seem like mistakes, too. Point is they are highly respected for their point of views whether you dislike two of them or not. I'll take Ebert's ideas on movies over anyone else's even if he did like one crap movie or so...


And you could of said that about the Grammy's as well when it comes to the Carter III but the last thing I want to talk about is hip hop in this thread.

[BobJM]

Academy award winning actress that Rolling Stone and Ebert called the future multi winning actress to come.

Check her movies out and we'll have to see how she is used/performs in Public Enemies.


She's definitely something special.

Who cares what those two sources say? Honestly, what makes their opinion any better than any average movie goer?

[Blackman]

one more thing OT: new rap is crap thank you


Back OT: I wouldnt be angry if COtillard is casted but she def isnt in my top 10 choices

[WeaponXProject]

Who cares what those two sources say? Honestly, what makes their opinion any better than any average movie goer?

Really?


I'm not getting into this but Ebert is the most recognizable movie critic for a reason and his voice has been trusted for years.


If it were up to the average movie goer than we'd end up with Fast And Furious up for best picture...seriously it would be like the MTV movie awards and Will Smith would win every year. That's retarded.

[Alex Logan]

Doesnt bother me. Infact she has one of the sexiest accents in hollywood imo.

I couldn't disagree more.:down

[BobJM]

Really?


I'm not getting into this but Ebert is the most recognizable movie critic for a reason and his voice has been trusted for years.


If it were up to the average movie goer than we'd end up with Fast And Furious up for best picture...seriously it would be like the MTV movie awards and Will Smith would win every year. That's retarded.

But honestly, what makes Ebert so great? He's an old dude that likes movies. If I had a television show and an article, people would listen to me too. Easiest job in the world.

[Laderlappen]

Everything Ebert says is right, but I think he's right about that.

[WeaponXProject]

But honestly, what makes Ebert so great? He's an old dude that likes movies. If I had a television show and an article, people would listen to me too. Easiest job in the world.


Not if you don't study film and speak to what they translate to. I mean the way you are simplifying this could be said about music, art, and even entertainment in general. I would rather here him explain something in great detail than listen to some frat boy say it "Ohhhh...that sh** was sweet, yo." Seriously you have to see some mindset besides this. Of course its an opinion but there is more than just that to them. People respect them for a reason.

[Alex Logan]

But honestly, what makes Ebert so great? He's an old dude that likes movies. If I had a television show and an article, people would listen to me too. Easiest job in the world.

I'll have to agree with this. I wouldn't say Ebert is all that great, but I also wouldn't trust "your average movie watcher" either.

[batman_1982]

What are everyone's thought on Carla Gugino for the Catwoman role?

[Majik1387]

Too old.

[Johnny Drama]

Definitley too old.

[batman_1982]

Ah, I didn't check that. She doesn't look that old, or at least any older than Bale. And now having just checked she is 3 years older him.

[Johnny Drama]

Ah, I didn't check that. She doesn't look that old, or at least any older than Bale. And now having just checked she is 3 years older him.

Which is is too old. He is 35, we need an actress 25-30.

[RachelDawes]

What are everyone's thought on Carla Gugino for the Catwoman role?

Her age doesn't bother me because she looks so young, but is she normally a better actress than she was in Watchmen?

[batman_1982]

Her age doesn't bother me because she looks so young, but is she normally a better actress than she was in Watchmen?

I agree as well on the age. We've had movies where the actor is shorter in height than the actress, and it wouldn't be the first time an actress would be older than the actor, it is hollywood after all. I think she does a pretty good job, maybe not in Watchmen, but in other roles. For instance she has a role on Entourage, where her character can be a real *****. That role in Entourage is how I thought of her as someone I could see playing this role. But that's just my suggestion for someone I'd consider.

[Cunning Stunts]

Her age doesn't bother me because she looks so young, but is she normally a better actress than she was in Watchmen?

I suggested her before, and got flamed pretty quickly. I think she's a fine actress- not exactly top-notch, but I wouldn't complain if Nolan chose her.

[Cunning Stunts]

Too old.

Definitley too old.

Which is is too old. He is 35, we need an actress 25-30.

Two years older than Bale? Not too old at all. You don't need an actress 25-30 years old, you need a great actress that Nolan can make look 25-30 years old.

Take Cate Blanchett in Benjamin Button... She performed quite well, and looked like a dead ringer for each age she portrayed thanks to the magic of make-up and special effects.

[Crook]

But we all know Nolan's not going to do that. Not to mention it'd be pretty insulting to the actress.

Carla may not be too old now, but in 2 years time it's definitely pushing it.

[Cunning Stunts]

But we all know Nolan's not going to do that. Not to mention it'd be pretty insulting to the actress.

Carla may not be too old now, but in 2 years time it's definitely pushing it.

Do you think Jackie Earle Haley was insulted when he was called on to play a character described in Watchmen as, "ugly"?

Probably not. It's part of being an actor- we step into roles knowing that if we're too fat, we have to slim down, if we're too old, we have to look younger, etc.

Besides, Carla's younger than Weisz, and everyone seems to be pushing for her (granted, I'd prefer Weisz, but that's besides the point here).

It's irrelevant. Completely.

[Crook]

Do you think Jackie Earle Haley was insulted when he was called on to play a character described in Watchmen as, "ugly"?
Do you think JEH cares? I doubt he thinks of himself as a male model in the first place. It's not like his "ugliness" was featured as a key trait or anything.

FYI, he was not called on for this role. He went out of his way to make an audition tape with his friends, and sent it in to Snyder. Zack was impressed, and the rest is history.

Probably not. It's part of being an actor- we step into roles knowing that if we're too fat, we have to slim down, if we're too old, we have to look younger, etc.
Actors get young/old makeup for flashbacks/flash-forwards.
Actors slim down and train before shoots, not in the middle of filming.
Actors do not get cgi'd unless it makes sense in the context of the film. Especially for a role that doesn't even call for it.

The role of Selina is automatically known as the sexy femme fatale. While Carla is no doubt a looker, what do you think it says to her when they go "ok, we're going to use cgi to take away your wrinkles" or something like that? She's hot, but she's already in the "motherhood" territory. Roles where she plays the middle-aged woman in a supporting role, not the young lead or the star of the show.

But this is moot because Nolan won't use any of those methods. He always shoots actors as is. Nor does Carla even have a shot, imo.

Besides, Carla's younger than Weisz, and everyone seems to be pushing for her (granted, I'd prefer Weisz, but that's besides the point here).
Well go talk to them, because I think she's gonna be too old for this role as well. :o

It's irrelevant. Completely.
Looks? No, I wouldn't say so.

[Cunning Stunts]

Do you think JEH cares? I doubt he thinks of himself as a male model in the first place. It's not like his "ugliness" was featured as a key trait or anything.

Maybe not a key trait, but most definitely touched on in one of the most important scenes in the graphic novel.

FYI, he was not called on for this role. He went out of his way to make an audition tape with his friends, and sent it in to Snyder. Zack was impressed, and the rest is history.

"Called on" doesn't necessarily mean a director pursued him. I use "called on" as being selected for the role.

The role of Selina is automatically known as the sexy femme fatale. While Carla is no doubt a looker, what do you think it says to her when they go "ok, we're going to use cgi to take away your wrinkles" or something like that? But this is moot because Nolan won't use any of those methods. He always shoots actors as is. Nor does Carla even have a shot, imo.

Uh, every one of those actors were loaded with make-up, and I guarantee you each of them had wrinkles of their own. Caine and Freeman don't exactly look like they're pushing 80 in their films, but I promise you that if you were to see them upon waking up in the morning, you'd think otherwise.

Well go talk to them, because I think she's gonna be too old for this role as well. :o

I think she's a tad old, but all that can be helped. Age doesn't matter so much nowadays. Even with "Nolan's methods", whatever they may be.

Looks? No, I wouldn't say so.

When it comes to simple features that can be altered, I'd say so. Sure, even I admit that we want an actor to at least resemble characters that have such distincton with their looks, but that said, I'd just as easily like a great actress to play Catwoman who looks little to nothing like her, so long as the performance is spot-on and memorable. A couple wrinkles? Won't get in the way. Bale has wrinkles for Christ's sake.

[Crook]

Maybe not a key trait, but most definitely touched on in one of the most important scenes in the graphic novel.
Even so, not important to the character's depiction. Disturbed and pathetic are his key essentials, and that'd work whether the actor was ugly or handsome.

Uh, every one of those actors were loaded with make-up, and I guarantee you each of them had wrinkles of their own. Caine and Freeman don't exactly look like they're pushing 80 in their films, but I promise you that if you were to see them upon waking up in the morning, you'd think otherwise.
Caine and Freeman look practically the same in-and-out of the movie set. I'd hardly use them as examples.

And you know what I mean about make-up, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt there. I wouldn't have supposed to spell it out in layman's terms.

I think she's a tad old, but all that can be helped. Age doesn't matter so much nowadays. Even with "Nolan's methods", whatever they may be.
None. As I said, he films them "as is". Women's age are easier to spot as they get older. It's going to get noticeable some time in their careers. I just don't want that role to be Selina, is all. :o

When it comes to simple features that can be altered, I'd say so.
If we were talking about Snyder, then ok. That man is all about details. But again, Nolan doesn't really care about the simple features. As evidenced by Bruce having brown hair, Alfred with no mustache, Dent being a blonde, etc.

Sure, even I admit that we want an actor to at least resemble characters that have such distincton with their looks, but that said, I'd just as easily like a great actress to play Catwoman who looks little to nothing like her, so long as the performance is spot-on and memorable.
I'll disagree completely with that last sentence, lol. I wouldn't someone with subpar acting, just as much as I wouldn't want someone with substandard looks. Either one is settling. I'd rather go for a happy balance.

A couple wrinkles? Won't get in the way. Bale has wrinkles for Christ's sake.
Men are held to a different criteria, especially when it comes to wrinkles or anything suggesting maturity (case in point: Daniel Craig).

Besides, Bale looks really good for his age. He seems like the type to look the same for the next decade or so, much like Depp. Can't really say the same for Hollywood actresses.

[The Major]

I suggested her before, and got flamed pretty quickly. I think she's a fine actress- not exactly top-notch, but I wouldn't complain if Nolan chose her.
She'd make a fine Catwoman.

[Farfarello]

She'd make a fine Catwoman.

Go and watch her in "Judas´Kiss", she plays a very catwomanish character in it.

[namtaB]

What are everyone's thought on Carla Gugino for the Catwoman role?

Similar to Angelina Jolie. Too perfect for the role, so unlikely that she'll be cast.

Scarecrow Favorite = Chris Ecclestan, Murphy cast
Joker Favorite = Paul Bettany, Ledger cast
Dent Favorite = Liev Schrieber, Eckhart cast

Pick a person who is attractive, a very good actress, and has never played a role like this before and you have the right combination for what Nolan appears to be going for time and time again with casting this series. Gugino, Jolie have played the sexy seductress who can kick butt before. Not really a "challenge" there to do something "fresh" and "new." All words used by Nolan regarding this series's story, casting, etc.

Now people will say hey namtaB what about Bale? He was the fan favorite and he was cast as Batman. True, but I believe Nolan cast Bale despite his fanboy popularity. In other words, Nolan felt he was the right choice for the role using his own parameters for casting as evidenced when he said "He's got the right combination of darkness and light that we were looking for." So even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Farfarello]

I join the cult of the Winona supporters...
This shot screams Catwoman to me:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9233/149z.jpg

And these are pure classy Miss Kyle.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4190/winonaryder3.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7545/87503485.jpg

[Two-Face]

Those pictures don't scream Catwoman to me.

[WeaponXProject]

The top picture looks it to me. The rest are...not really.

[Crook]

They come off as a graceful upper-class woman. Which would certainly fit with Selina's "public identity" if they choose to go that route. They do lack that sexual promiscuity and allure, though.

But to be fair certain depictions of Selina don't exactly rely on that too much, either. Like Hughes drawings.

[Laderlappen]

I do think whoever is cast could almost base her whole performance on Winona Ryder.

[flickchick85]

Oh yes, it did. :o

Someone who's read the PE script clarify, exactly how many lines does Marion's character have? I'd be greatly disappointed if it's another throwaway girlfriend role.
Her role is just about equal in size to Bale's role in the script, actually. I was quite surprised how prominent the love story was. And at first, I was bit worried that it was kind of a generic girlfriend character, but I think that was purposely done to play on audience expectations because toward the end, they really turn that expectation on its head, imo. She has mostly "charmed-but-worried girlfriend" scenes, but a couple of good meaty scenes (1 particularly surprising one) in the final act. So to answer your question, she's got plenty of lines.

[LadyofLight]

http://i33.tinypic.com/105qvwi.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/6s3upg.jpg


Maybe Anna Paquin?

Look she's a great little actress and plays the dark, disturbed female role perfectly. Plus, with her new sexy True Blood series on HBO has allowed Paquin show off more of her sensual side.

Furthermore, she has a great figure that looks fantastic in leather. Again, I like a woman that has a figure so I personally love her rollercoaster curves. Also her recent promo shots for True Blood really scream Selina Kyle to me.

I think she would be a great fit

[Johnny Drama]

No, no, no.

[WeaponXProject]

She was way too dull as Rogue, how do you think she could be Catwoman. Practically braindead in some scenes of the X-trilogy.

She looks great on True Blood now though. She's transformed quite well since X3.

[Laderlappen]

Im against Paquin too. I really dont like her look for the character, and she doesnt fit the role. Plus she looks to young to me. She's a good actress. People forget that she is an academy award winner. But she's good, not great.

[Ace of Knaves]

Winona Ryder still keeps popping up in my head when I think about this.

She's a great actress I don't care what anyone says. She can be sexy, crazy, *****y, playful. And she has worked with Bale before and had a good chemistry with him!!! lol. But yea i suppose that was like 15 years ago.

But seriously, Winona ticks all the boxes for me.

[Ace of Knaves]

double'

[Crook]

Look she's a great little actress and plays the dark, disturbed female role perfectly. Plus, with her new sexy True Blood series on HBO has allowed Paquin show off more of her sensual side.
She's also not remotely attractive enough for this role. Already ruined many X-Men fan's fantasies with Rogue, no need to ruin Batman also. :o

Furthermore, she has a great figure that looks fantastic in leather. Again, I like a woman that has a figure so I personally love her rollercoaster curves.
30-28-33 are not rollercoaster curves. That just means she barely has the body of a tree stump. Which applies to most women. So yes, she has some curves in the sense that's it's not a rectangle:

http://beautifulassettes.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/anna_paquin0001.jpg


But not rollercoaster curves that truly deserve the word "curvaceous":

http://hometownhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kimk3.jpg

:)

[Timstuff]

No. We already had one X-woman play Catwoman (Halle Berry) and look at how THAT turned out. Not saying Paquin is a bad actress, but she's sooooo wrong for Catwoman, and on top of that she could potentially jinx the production (I'm not superstitious, but when it comes to Batman I don't take chances).

[Timstuff]

I join the cult of the Winona supporters...
This shot screams Catwoman to me:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9233/149z.jpg

And these are pure classy Miss Kyle.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4190/winonaryder3.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7545/87503485.jpg

She's at least got experience with the thief part of the character... :hehe:

[Two-Face]

She's at least got experience with the thief part of the character... :hehe:

That was fuuny:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[bryanss3]

hahaha but seriously I think Winona's face actually looks like Selina Kyle's. especially in that second image.

[Two-Face]

Michelle Monaghan has my vote as Selina, I think she's good actress and beautiful.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/michelle-monaghan.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/hotmichelle.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/michelle-monaghan-1600x1200-28526.jpg

[Blackman]

Michelle Monaghan has my vote as Selina, I think she's good actress and beautiful.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/michelle-monaghan.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/hotmichelle.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/michelle-monaghan-1600x1200-28526.jpg

shes my 2nd choice

[Two-Face]

shes my 2nd choice

Mine too. :up:

1. Angelina
2. Michelle
3. Theron
4. Beckinsale

[Two-Face]

no.

just...no.


What shame, you don't see it. I think she can do a great job if chosen by Nolan.

[Majik1387]

I'm a bit ambivalent to Michelle Monaghan.

[Two-Face]

i'll be honest.

it's the nose.

and i think bale would own her, which isn't the character at all.

Well Ledger owned Bale but it's not like Bale was crap.


Her nose it's fine, you're jist nit picking things.

[namtaB]

i'll be honest.

it's the nose.

and i think bale would own her, which isn't the character at all.

Agreed. Its on a level of Maggie Gyllenghaal unattractive. This is not to say I wouldn't want Michelle Monaghan to sit on my face for a half hour, but nitpicking is ok when we're talking potential Catwoman.

[Blackman]

Agreed. Its on a level of Maggie Gyllenghaal unattractive. This is not to say I wouldn't want Michelle Monaghan to sit on my face for a half hour, but nitpicking is ok when we're talking potential Catwoman.

[Bale Voice]NO NO F*** NO[/Bale Voice]
Seriously the nose is nothing.


But the big problem with her is that. Every action movie shes been in she just plays the Damsel in Distress. I dont really see her as a powerful woman actress

[Alex Logan]

i'll re-iterate.

cat-woman should freak me out whilst at the same time give me thrills down there:cwink:.

your choice makes me wanna pat her on the head and say "are you allriiiight?" in a patronising voice.

i hope that clears everything up.:grin:

Why should she "freak" you out?

i'll be honest.

it's the nose.

and i think bale would own her, which isn't the character at all.

Bale would own anyone, when that man pisses on the ground testicales grow on it. :cwink:

[namtaB]

Bale would own anyone, when that man pisses on the ground testicales grow on it. :cwink:

LOLZ. No he wouldn't. On the rant tape he sounded like a spoiled brat going through puberty.

[The Major]

But the big problem with her is that. Every action movie shes been in she just plays the Damsel in Distress. I dont really see her as a powerful woman actress
Agreed.

[batboy99]

Thatsj ust cuz thats the only role shes been given. Im sure she would do fine as Selina.

[namtaB]

[Bale Voice]NO NO F*** NO[/Bale Voice]
Seriously the nose is nothing.


But the big problem with her is that. Every action movie shes been in she just plays the Damsel in Distress. I dont really see her as a powerful woman actress

I believe they call that "acting." For instance, Gary Oldman typically plays bizarre, villainous, evil characters in films. But in BB and TDK he plays the opposite, a virtuous cop. He relied on "acting" to portray characterizations that are polar opposites. See how it works?

[The Major]

I believe they call that "acting." For instance, Gary Oldman typically plays bizarre, villainous, evil characters in films. But in BB and TDK he plays the opposite, a virtuous cop. He relied on "acting" to portray characterizations that are polar opposites. See how it works?
Not all actors have equal talent. Not does she have his experience. He's spent many years perfecting his craft with various roles that were much more variety that she has. It would be better with Michelle Monaghan using a low profile action role to show how she'd handle it before taking on Catwoman. That's what Bale did to get Batman.

[Crook]

It'd be better, sure, but it's not necessary. I'd say Ledger took a huge leap when he took on Joker.

If you're good enough and fearless like he was, then you don't need small roles to prepare for a bigger one.

[Alex Logan]

LOLZ. No he wouldn't. On the rant tape he sounded like a spoiled brat going through puberty.

I'm sorry to say that you are clueless. That "rant" had nothing to with Bale himself.

[draculoid]

Those pictures don't scream Catwoman to me.

what about...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/PhilH3.jpghttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/45062-7328-52122-1-catwoman_medium.jpg

[The Major]

No. We already had one X-woman play Catwoman (Halle Berry) and look at how THAT turned out. Not saying Paquin is a bad actress, but she's sooooo wrong for Catwoman, and on top of that she could potentially jinx the production (I'm not superstitious, but when it comes to Batman I don't take chances).
Famke Jansson could have made a good Catwoman. Paquinn has pontential, she's just to young looking compared to Bale IMO. Romjin is promising, too. Berry is terrible at super-heroes for some reason. Her best work is drama. While there are many things wrong with the Patience Price Catwoman movie Berry does share a good amount of blame not only for her acting as the lead but since she was the star she would have had enormous impact from beind the sceens since she is a star. It's a shame since she really could have been a good Selina. :csad:

[Two-Face]

Um no. That's no Catwoman. I don't like Selina having short hair.

[Ledlunar]

what about...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/PhilH3.jpghttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/45062-7328-52122-1-catwoman_medium.jpg

probably my favorite choice I've seen :)
she's a good actress and I love the Darwyn Selina

[Two-Face]

She's your choice of all sudden?

[Ace of Knaves]

See 'Face, it's all bout Winona :D

[Laderlappen]

Of all actresses in hollywood, the one that reminds me most of Selina Kyle is Winona Ryder. Yes even without the stealing.

[batboy99]

Actually, I have to agree. Even her look works very well for the character. Shes normal looking, but still very good looking. Not too hot, but just right.

[Two-Face]

I'll guess I'm only one who doesn't see her as looking good in a catsuit.

[Ace of Knaves]

Have you seen her body? Trust man, she's hot. With a bit of training she would be perfect for Selina/Catwoman IMO.

[draculoid]

I'll guess I'm only one who doesn't see her as looking good in a catsuit.

Have you seen her body? Trust man, she's hot. With a bit of training she would be perfect for Selina/Catwoman IMO.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/6a00d8341c026253ef00e54f6508e08833-.jpghttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/6a00d8341c026253ef00e54f64fc708833-.jpg
for those who would like a reference of her physique. this was for a skin cancer awareness ad.

[Crook]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/6a00d8341c026253ef00e54f6508e08833-.jpghttp://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/6a00d8341c026253ef00e54f64fc708833-.jpg
for those who would like a reference of her physique. this was for a skin cancer awareness ad.
Not really all that special, but then again neither was Pfeiffer's. However, the shiny latex upped Michelle's sexiness tenfold with or without a shapely body, which I don't think is the luxury we'll have with Nolan's interpretation.

[JuntMonkey]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.

[draculoid]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.

i'm not sure where it has been established one way or the other who the villain will be. joker could be recast, as the character was still alive at the end of tdk. however it may be seen as a sensitive area due to ledgers death. not to mention that a new villain opens up for more avenues of thematic development. catwoman as a character can also serve as villain and love interest unless they want to throw talia in there.

[Crook]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.
A female love interest is guaranteed to be in the next one. Catwoman is right at the top of that very short list.

A recurring villain is a lot less likely. Especially when actor who defined the role is dead.

[Laderlappen]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.No its not. Catwoman is the most popular character left, and Rachel is dead. It makes sense Catwoman would be in the movie.

[Cunning Stunts]

Have you seen her body? Trust man, she's hot. With a bit of training she would be perfect for Selina/Catwoman IMO.

Seriously, with the shape this crew got Bale in, I'm very sure that any actress they pick up will have a goddess's body by the time shooting happens.

I still want Eva Green. Great effin' actress, but if you want to get down to looks... Watch her in The Dreamers, and you'll :bh:.

I promise.

[The Major]

It'd be better, sure, but it's not necessary. I'd say Ledger took a huge leap when he took on Joker.

Just because he can do it doesn't mean any actor or actress could.

If you're good enough and fearless like he was, then you don't need small roles to prepare for a bigger one.

Fearlessness only is good if someone has the necessary talent required for the role. Moynahan might have it for Catwoman, but then again she might not. There are far to many variables to know the same exact result will occur.

[The Major]

No its not. Catwoman is the most popular character left, and Rachel is dead. It makes sense Catwoman would be in the movie.
Nolan doesn't let popularity guide his choices, though. Otherwise Joker would have been the main villain in Batman Begins and Johnny Depp would have played the role in TDK, not Ledger.

[Bond]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.
Not at all. There is a really ****ing good chance that Catwoman is going to be in this movie. Trust me on that.

[Alex Logan]

This thread is hilarious because there is such a small chance Catwoman will actually be in part 3. There is a better chance of a Joker recast.

How do you know there's such a small chance? None of us KNOW anything at this point. And there's definitely NOT a better change of the Joker being recast. Nolan doesn't want to do the SAME thing over again. He wants to do something fresh and new with each film.

A female love interest is guaranteed to be in the next one. Catwoman is right at the top of that very short list.

A recurring villain is a lot less likely. Especially when actor who defined the role is dead.

Exactly.

[Laderlappen]

Nolan doesn't let popularity guide his choices, though. Otherwise Joker would have been the main villain in Batman Begins and Johnny Depp would have played the role in TDK, not Ledger.You have a point. But if Catwoman is a popular character, chances are that Nolan likes her too.

[Johnny Drama]

How do you know there's such a small chance? None of us KNOW anything at this point. And there's definitely NOT a better change of the Joker being recast. Nolan doesn't want to do the SAME thing over again. He wants to do something fresh and new with each film.



Exactly.

Your sig confuses me, where did this Sam Worthington/Batman jibba-jabba come from?

[Crook]

Just because he can do it doesn't mean any actor or actress could.

Fearlessness only is good if someone has the necessary talent required for the role. Moynahan might have it for Catwoman, but then again she might not. There are far to many variables to know the same exact result will occur.
You could have saved writing this post if you simply put two pieces that I've written, together. Fearlessness + Talent = no prerequisites required. It's like you ignored one part of my post just so you could write an appropriate response. :huh:

Nolan doesn't let popularity guide his choices, though. Otherwise Joker would have been the main villain in Batman Begins and Johnny Depp would have played the role in TDK, not Ledger.
Considering BB's story, Joker had no shot at being in the movie. Much of the focus was spent on Bruce. Batman himself lost some screentime, and the villains sure as hell lost more of it as a result. That is why Ra's and Scarecrow, two (popular) B-listers were chosen as antagonists. You don't reintroduce icons only to shaft their development time.

[The Major]

You could have saved writing this post if you simply put two pieces that I've written, together. Fearlessness + Talent = no prerequisites required. It's like you ignored one part of my post just so you could write an appropriate response. :huh:

My mistake.

Considering BB's story, Joker had no shot at being in the movie. Much of the focus was spent on Bruce. Batman himself lost some screentime, and the villains sure as hell lost more of it as a result. That is why Ra's and Scarecrow, two (popular) B-listers were chosen as antagonists. You don't reintroduce icons only to shaft their development time.
Which was my point. He was primarily focused on story, he didn't go to Batman's number 1 villain because Joker's an extremely popular character in the Batman mythos.

[Crook]

Yes. And where does the next story leave us? A likely theme of identity, and a requirement for a female opposite. Does Selina not fit that criteria?

[The Major]

Yes. And where does the next story leave us? A likely theme of identity, and a requirement for a female opposite. Does Selina not fit that criteria?
She's a possibility. Then again, I could say the same for Talia or Poison Ivy. Though I wouldn't consider it a pre-requisite that the next love interest be his exact opposite. Vicki Vale or Silver St. Cloud could be a character to delve into Batman's theme of identity just from a different perspective from female super-villains.

[Crook]

In terms of what they could bring to the story, Vale and Silver would be treading similar ground.

Ivy, I have no idea. You'll have to explain that one.

Talia is the next best candidate. But greatly hampered without Ra's. If Ra's is in, I'd actually take her over Selina. If only because of bringing the story back to BB.

[Johnny Drama]

In terms of what they could bring to the story, Vale and Silver would be treading similar ground.

Ivy, I have no idea. You'll have to explain that one.

Talia is the next best candidate. But greatly hampered without Ra's. If Ra's is in, I'd actually take her over Selina. If only because of bringing the story back to BB.



Agreed, I've always said that the third installment should have Ra's back to round things off since it's hard to imagine Nolan or Bale would do #4 (but who am I to say that?)

So, as I have suggested many times in the past...

Batman #3 - Ra's, Two-Face and Talia.

Batman #4 - Catwoman, The Riddler, and Black Mask

Batman #5 - Doctor Phosphorus, Rupert Thorne

Batman #6 - The Joker, The Phantasm (Rachel Dawes?)

[Alex Logan]

Your sig confuses me, where did this Sam Worthington/Batman jibba-jabba come from?

There was an internet article about Worthington replacing Bale in Batman 3. They claimed that Bale's reputation was damaged after that audio from the T4 set got leaked and now the WB was going to replace him. It was total garbage, but it really got me fired up. :cwink:

Agreed, I've always said that the third installment should have Ra's back to round things off since it's hard to imagine Nolan or Bale would do #4 (but who am I to say that?)

So, as I have suggested many times in the past...

Batman #3 - Ra's, Two-Face and Talia.

Batman #4 - Catwoman, The Riddler, and Black Mask

Batman #5 - Doctor Phosphorus, Rupert Thorne

Batman #6 - The Joker, The Phantasm (Rachel Dawes?)

Batman #3 - I don't see Nolan revisiting any kind of story that has to do with Ra's. Let's also use what we know about Nolan as a director, when it comes to Batman he likes it to be real. There's no way Ra's is alive and the man himself said Two Face is dead.

Batman #4 - Why can't we have this for Batman 3?

Batman #5 - Major Rouges please.

Batman #6 - Yes to the Joker, but sooner then Batman 6. Rachel Dawes could never be The Phantasm, plus if I ever see her in another Batman film I'll snub the ***** myself. :cwink:

[JuntMonkey]

Not at all. There is a really ****ing good chance that Catwoman is going to be in this movie. Trust me on that.

Do you have any more information than the rest of us?

Nolan has said (reported on an IGN Movies podcast in December after one of the guys cornered him at a party) to not necessarily expect any big name villains.

[Crook]

Gonna have to ask for a link.

[The Major]

In terms of what they could bring to the story, Vale and Silver would be treading similar ground.
True. Another option is Sasha Bordeaux.

Ivy, I have no idea. You'll have to explain that one.

Ivy's a mentally damaged do-gooder who resorts to extraordinary means to save the world, just like Batman.

Talia is the next best candidate. But greatly hampered without Ra's.
Ra's could have a big presence shown by his absence. His death would motivate her to go after Batman and Gotham. The conversations they'd have would be interesting. I'd team her up with Bane.

If Ra's is in, I'd actually take her over Selina. If only because of bringing the story back to BB.
Agreed.

[Ace of Knaves]

More chance of a Joker return over Catwoman? Na mate, don't think so. I'm a supporter of Jokers return, but I think there is a place for Catwoman in the next film, and I reckon Nolan knows that as well.

[Ledlunar]

Ace you are like The Spock of these forums.... logical and precise :word:

I hope we get Catwoman I like her as a character, with all the events at the end of TDK I think all of Gotham is shaken and wants answers, and hopefully some of this is revealed, I hope we get Selina/Catwoman & The Riddler since his timing seems good for a film where BATMAN is a public enemy.. I don't know why we can't have scenes with the Joker in Arkham in the next one and a eventual escape.. and a good final climax with all these characters.. uhm maybe not all in the same room, but who knows I think these 3 would be a great farewell if its Nolans last go

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks man :D

Yea I think adding both the Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne and Catwoman/Batman dynamic into the mix along with a another villain or two it could be a truly great film. It'll need to be a proper epic film to come anywhere near TDK, I think that sorta unorthodox relationship could help that.

I was just randomly thinking, why not set the next film at Christmas time and make it a Christmas release? I dunno, I just wanna see a snowy Gotham with Catwoman for some reason. :D

[Ledlunar]

Id love a snowy Gotham aswell, & "IF" Joker returns Id love to have Batman find the cards scattered in the snow as a nod to TLH.. I think TLH going through the holidays coupled with BR & BF make everyone find a bit of a connection with holidays, Snow also makes it hard to be stealthy with foot prints and all and if Batman is on the run it makes things even more of hell for him ... which always makes a film better to watch

Catwoman leaping off roofs with a snow filled sky would be a great site to see

Im wondering if there will be anything involving Reese in the next film... honestly there almost better be considering all of Gotham knows he knows Batmans identity and then the ending of TDK....

back to the topic though I still think Winona Ryder is my top choice

[the gael]

Can bring Sasha Bordeaux, Vicki Vale or Silver St. Cloud something new ? We had Rachel for two movies as the classical "normal" love interest. I think that in Batman 3, Bruce won't let any possible girlfriend getting close to him. With Gotham more dangerous than ever, his fugitive role and the loss of Rachel, if there is a love interest in the movie, then the love interest has "to go to Batman".

Poison Ivy ? Yes, she can work in the Nolan universe. I never liked her but the way Nolan can "recreate" her in his "realistic" world may change my point of view. I just don't think, considering her chracter, that Bruce can fall in love with her. She believed she is right, like Ra's, but she's still a murderous villian.

The choice of the love interest, if there is a love insterest, should be made after answering one question : What can it bring to the character of batman and the story ? Batman has been hurt by the loss of Rachel. And he is a fugitive. He will try to move by focusing on his "Batman side", but it won't be easy, and having lost Rachel may put him in danger for a "more aggressive" love relationship.

This lead us to Talia and Catwoman, and both worked, but not in the same way. Both are neither bad nor good girls (even if Talia is much more of a villian than Selina), but Talia is much more prisoner of the Ra's storyline. I can see her trying to get revenge against Batman, but if there is some sort of love story, then, we need Ra's return, or it end quickly.

If Nolan want to bring Ra's back, then use Talia. But if Nolan wants to make something different, focusing completely on the impact of Rachel death and the fugitive Batman, then Catwoman is fantastic. She's like him, a chased animal with a dual identity. she's also a wildcard, neither a sidekick nor a villian.

[The Major]

Can bring Sasha Bordeaux, Vicki Vale or Silver St. Cloud something new ?

Sasha is Bruce's bodyguard, Vicki is a journalist and Silver is a radio show jock IIRC. What makes Silver different from Rachel is that she be a love interest who leaves Bruce once she learns he is Batman. This is from her wiki, there are many interesting direction's Nolan can take her character.

Batman: Strange Apparitions

Silver is Bruce's main love interest in Batman: Strange Apparitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batman:_Strange_Apparitions&action=edit&redlink=1). Her character first meets Bruce Wayne following the Batman's defeat of new villain Dr. Phosphorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Phosphorus), in a battle that occurred at a nuclear power plant on the ocean. Soon she begins dating Bruce Wayne. She suspects from the start that Bruce Wayne is hiding something. She cites Bruce's interest in crime reports and his encounters with Batman as evidence of a secret. When Bruce Wayne is captured by and replaced by Hugo Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Strange) in a prosthetic disguise, Silver quickly notices Wayne is not acting like himself and contacts Robin to tell him about Wayne's strange behavior. Her insight and quick action leads to Robin rescuing Wayne.
Silver is unique for several reasons, one of which is her discovery of Batman's identity. Her relationship with Bruce cools down as he repeatedly disappears to become the Batman. But using her own observational skills, Silver begins to put the clues together to recognize her lover in the costume of her hero. As Batman is battling the villain Deadshot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadshot), Silver calls out to Bruce to confirm her suspicions. When Batman looks at her, Silver recognizes his chin as that of Bruce Wayne's. This sequence is masterfully portrayed by Marshall Rogers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Rogers), Silver's co-creator with Steve Englehart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Englehart), as we visually follow through sightlines and panel arrangement Silver's own realization process.
Silver later witnesses Batman fighting Joker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_%28comics%29). After defeating the Joker, Batman meets with Silver. She reveals to Batman that she knows his secret and that she loves him. She says that she could not be with him because she could not stand worrying about him each night. She then ends the relationship, asking him not to see her again. A distraught Silver kicks off her shoes as she runs away. Batman collects one of her shoes, and keeps it in the Batcave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcave) as a sign of his continuing feelings for her.
Silver’s breakup with Bruce has repercussions well into the next issue where Batman takes out his frustration at over the failed relationship on a couple of criminals. Most of his fury becomes concentrated on one criminal, whom he punches again and again. If it were not for a pair of police officers that came to find out what was happening, Batman might have committed murder. Bruce Wayne even tells Alfred that everything is going sour and that he blames the Batman for creating a wedge between Bruce and Silver. He then blames his parents, saying that if not for them he would have lived a normal life and could have easily been with Silver. Soon after, he recants this statement and asks his parents' forgiveness, though he admits there is some truth in his complaints and that maybe he should give up being Batman forever. The bat-signal going off in the distance recalls Bruce to the present, and he decides to continue being the Batman.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Silver_St._Cloud&action=edit&section=3)] Batman: Dark Detective

Silver returns once again in Steve Englehart's new miniseries Batman: Dark Detective (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batman:_Dark_Detective&action=edit&redlink=1), a sequel to Batman: Strange Apparitions. In this series, her relationship with Bruce Wayne evolves further, to the point that Silver leaves her fiancé, a senator, to be with him. However, the relationship turns cold when her fiancé's arm and leg are cut off in Joker's booby traps, while he attempts to find her in Joker's house. Batman then suggests that Silver stay with the man until he recovers. Silver is horrified at her fiancé's gruesome fate, and disgusted at Bruce's use of her and they break up again. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_St._Cloud#cite_note-0)

With Vale they could have her try to uncover Batman's identity. This has great potential since post-TDK the media would be going crazy trying to know whose under the mask. She could interview Reese, too. To make it unique from Batman '89 Nolan could have her not manage to get that close to Bruce emotionally but she tries to pursue him any way and leave it ambiguous whether she discovers he's Batman.

We had Rachel for two movies as the classical "normal" love interest.

Sasha, Silver and Vale may be normal, but they can have different reactions and storylines then Dawes.

Poison Ivy ? Yes, she can work in the Nolan universe. I never liked her but the way Nolan can "recreate" her in his "realistic" world may change my point of view. I just don't think, considering her chracter, that Bruce can fall in love with her. She believed she is right, like Ra's, but she's still a murderous villian.

She wouldn't be a love interest.


I think that in Batman 3, Bruce won't let any possible girlfriend getting close to him. With Gotham more dangerous than ever, his fugitive role and the loss of Rachel, if there is a love interest in the movie, then the love interest has "to go to Batman".

The choice of the love interest, if there is a love insterest, should be made after answering one question : What can it bring to the character of batman and the story ? Batman has been hurt by the loss of Rachel. And he is a fugitive. He will try to move by focusing on his "Batman side", but it won't be easy, and having lost Rachel may put him in danger for a "more aggressive" love relationship.

The various possible love interests and Poison Ivy would be a fascinating test against Batman while he's in that mental state.

This lead us to Talia and Catwoman, and both worked, but not in the same way. Both are neither bad nor good girls (even if Talia is much more of a villian than Selina), but Talia is much more prisoner of the Ra's storyline. I can see her trying to get revenge against Batman, but if there is some sort of love story, then, we need Ra's return, or it end quickly.
Talia being connected to Ra's can be a strength IMO. It gives her a motive and a connection to hurt Gotham and Batman. Talia could be a love interest similar Elektra King in TWINE. Though there maybe various ways to execute it depending on how much they want to focus on her being a love interest or villain. Either way it ends up Bruce Wayne doesn't get to close emotionally but Talia could try either through posing as a wealthy civilian or attempting to both lead the League and being her lover snce she saw something dark in him she wants to be unleashed.

If Nolan want to bring Ra's back, then use Talia. But if Nolan wants to make something different, focusing completely on the impact of Rachel death and the fugitive Batman, then Catwoman is fantastic. She's like him, a chased animal with a dual identity. she's also a wildcard, neither a sidekick nor a villian.
Talia can work without Ra's.

[Johnny Drama]

Batman #3 - I don't see Nolan revisiting any kind of story that has to do with Ra's. Let's also use what we know about Nolan as a director, when it comes to Batman he likes it to be real. There's no way Ra's is alive and the man himself said Two Face is dead.



Ra's being "dead" is irrelevant if you are remotely familiar with the character.

And who said Two-Face is dead? NOTHING has been confirmed....

[Alex Logan]

Ra's being "dead" is irrelevant if you are remotely familiar with the character.

And who said Two-Face is dead? NOTHING has been confirmed....

OMG... Are you serious? Do we really have to go over this again and again? Do you know anything about Nolan's take on Batman?

:huh:

R. E. A. L. I. S. M.

Who said Two Face is dead? Aaron Eckhart did.

Comingsoon.net:

CS: Is Harvey Dent alive?

Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.

CS: So he's not coming back?

Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!

CS: I was hoping he would.

Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.

CS: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.

Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

CS: So you were never signed on for another film?

Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.

CS: It must be gratifying that so many people responded to your character.

Eckhart: Yeah, I dig it. Write your Congressman. I like that for the first time in my career I'm getting fan mail from kids and 8-year-olds. "My name is Bill. I really liked the film." I've never had that before. I think that's fun. I think someone told me they're going to be Harvey Two-Face for Halloween which is cool. I said to two kids the other day, "Did you see Batman yet?" Then I come to find out like two seconds later they've seen it four times. People are really going back to see it. My parents saw it I think 12 [times] so far. They're sick that it's going out of the theaters.

CS: Do they normally see your movies 12 times?

Eckhart: I don't know about 12, but they like to go see the movies. They like to go see the audience. They like to tell people that I'm in the movie like popcorn people.

I apologize if I come of harsh, but I'm really tired of people ignoring what's right in front of thier faces. This kind of stuff makes me what to bang my head against the monitor.

[Changeling]

Two Face has been confirmed but the R'as thing...no..
I mean it's friggin R'as Al Ghul, arguably Batman's greatest nemesis.

[Johnny Drama]

OMG... Are you serious? Do we really have to go over this again and again? Do you know anything about Nolan's take on Batman?

:huh:

R. E. A. L. I. S. M.

Who said Two Face is dead? Aaron Eckhart did.

Comingsoon.net:

CS: Is Harvey Dent alive?

Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.

CS: So he's not coming back?

Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!

CS: I was hoping he would.

Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.

CS: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.

Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

CS: So you were never signed on for another film?

Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.

CS: It must be gratifying that so many people responded to your character.

Eckhart: Yeah, I dig it. Write your Congressman. I like that for the first time in my career I'm getting fan mail from kids and 8-year-olds. "My name is Bill. I really liked the film." I've never had that before. I think that's fun. I think someone told me they're going to be Harvey Two-Face for Halloween which is cool. I said to two kids the other day, "Did you see Batman yet?" Then I come to find out like two seconds later they've seen it four times. People are really going back to see it. My parents saw it I think 12 [times] so far. They're sick that it's going out of the theaters.

CS: Do they normally see your movies 12 times?

Eckhart: I don't know about 12, but they like to go see the movies. They like to go see the audience. They like to tell people that I'm in the movie like popcorn people.

I apologize if I come of harsh, but I'm really tired of people ignoring what's right in front of thier faces. This kind of stuff makes me what to bang my head against the monitor.

First of all, shut up. Do you have any idea how annoying you just came off?

2nd, I know about as much about Nolan's take as you and the other people who have seen the two movies. Furthermore, I know as much about you and Aaron Eckhart in regards to the third one. NOTHING.
Do you really think Nolan would tell Eckhart and even if he did, Eckhart would tell us? It appears you don't know anything about Nolan's Batman because if you did, you would know it always relied on tight lipped secrecy.

and 3rd, R.E.A.L.I.S.M (IT'S AN ACRONYM NOW? :whatever:) can be maintained with Ra's being resurrected on film by simply not being dead to begin with (did you see his body? Did you see Two-Faces body?). Chris Nolans idea of realism pertains more to Bruce Wayne being a tangible, 3-dimensional character, unlike the original incarnations.

To reiterate: You and I know as much as Aaron Eckhart: NOTHING.
and you are NOT Chris Nolan, and if you are going to obnoxiousley dismiss something because it's NOT NOLAN, then get the **** out of the Catwoman casting thread. Because once upon a time he said Catwoman wouldn't happen. But we still speculate, because anyone who has been around this site long enough and has more than 400 posts knows directors, especially in this stage of development, like to call bluffs.

[Ace of Knaves]

To be fair JD, there is more evidence pointing to Dent being brown bread than not. It would take a lot of explaining if he was alive.

[Crook]

Two Face has been confirmed but the R'as thing...no..
I mean it's friggin R'as Al Ghul, arguably Batman's greatest nemesis.
It's inarguable that title belongs solely to Joker.


Do you really think Nolan would tell Eckhart and even if he did, Eckhart would tell us? It appears you don't know anything about Nolan's Batman because if you did, you would know it always relied on tight lipped secrecy.
In this case, it would be a flat-out lie on Eckhart's part. I liken this scenario to Maggie, when she was asked if she'd be back for the third. This was before TDK came out. She simply replied that she'd love to come back if asked. Obviously she's not going to, because she's dead. But she left it open-ended. That's what celebs usually do if they don't want to give too much away.

Eckhart, on the other hand, left it pretty clear cut and dry. There's no room for interpreting what he said. Unless you really want to reach for straws.

To reiterate: You and I know as much as Aaron Eckhart: NOTHING.
and you are NOT Chris Nolan, and if you are going to obnoxiousley dismiss something because it's NOT NOLAN, then get the **** out of the Catwoman casting thread. Because once upon a time he said Catwoman wouldn't happen. But we still speculate, because anyone who has been around this site long enough and has more than 400 posts knows directors, especially in this stage of development, like to call bluffs.
I'm again going to have to request a direct quote or link to this statement. I've never heard this.

[Johnny Drama]

I'm again going to have to request a direct quote or link to this statement. I've never heard this.

Chris never himself said it but John Nolan and David Goyer did and also implied Chris felt the same way.

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/no-catwoman-and-penguin-for-batman-sequels/

http://www.hecklerspray.com/batman-3-catwoman-the-penguin-to-remain-unemployed/200815249.php

[Crook]

All that's said there is it doesn't have to feature Penguin/Catwoman as the villains.

And Chris hasn't said a word in any of those links. Where's the implication, I can't find it?

BTW, the whole "there are tons of villains in the rogues gallery, why go for the obvious" mentality becomes incredibly moot when they decided to revisit Joker and Two-Face. If anything, Catwoman is at least owed a reinterpretation since she's probably the third most important character to the mythos.

[cerealkiller182]

Chris never himself said it but John Nolan and David Goyer did and also implied Chris felt the same way.

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/no-catwoman-and-penguin-for-batman-sequels/

http://www.hecklerspray.com/batman-3-catwoman-the-penguin-to-remain-unemployed/200815249.php

You are misinterpreting them completely. They are saying that basically from the opening night of The Dark Knight people ask wheres Penguin and Catwoman. They are considered staples of the series, but Nolan and Co. obviously do not want to be tied down by those ideas that they need to create a plot around a character rather than use the characters that naturally fit their plot.

[cerealkiller182]

BTW, the whole "there are tons of villains in the rogues gallery, why go for the obvious" mentality becomes incredibly moot when they decided to revisit Joker and Two-Face. If anything, Catwoman is at least owed a reinterpretation since she's probably the third most important character to the mythos.

I dont this so. The idea of "there are tons of villains in the rogues gallery, why go for the obvious" is about more options, not less options by eliminating the obvious. Its about picking from all of them rather than this class of rogues or that class of rogues.

[Johnny Drama]

I never said that Catwoman wouldn't be in the 3rd film, I was simply stateing this:

To debunk an opinion because it isn't "Nolan" is absurd because no one knows whats going to happen untill it happens. It's as if some people on here think they are Nolan's publicist.

[Crook]

I dont this so. The idea of "there are tons of villains in the rogues gallery, why go for the obvious" is about more options, not less options by eliminating the obvious. Its about picking from all of them rather than this class of rogues or that class of rogues.

Going to Joker and Two-Face was "picking from all of them"? It's not coincidence that they are one of the most popular villains in the comics.

[Johnny Drama]

Going to Joker and Two-Face was "picking from all of them"? It's not coincidence that they are one of the most popular villains in the comics.


No you are right, but Joker and Two-Face brought home the bacon. Joker being in TDK elevated it to icon-status, now that it's there the sequel will make a ton of money weather the villain is Catwoman, The Riddler, or lower tier villains such as The Ventriloquist, Black Mask or Talia.

Just look at The Watchmen, which rode the coat tails of TDK and was a sucess even without a major villain (or well known heroes for that matter)

[Crook]

No you are right, but Joker and Two-Face brought home the bacon. Joker being in TDK elevated it to icon-status, now that it's there the sequel will make a ton of money weather the villain is Catwoman, The Riddler, or lower tier villains such as The Ventriloquist, Black Mask or Talia.
Opening weekend is the only time it'll ride off the TDK wave. After that, it's up to the film itself. And honestly, not all these characters have the potential to follow up on Joker.

Just look at The Watchmen, which rode the coat tails of TDK and was a sucess even without a major villain (or well known heroes for that matter)
Watchmen...underperformed. Big-time. I liked the movie, but even I can't deny what a massive disappointment it's box office run is. The hype was huge, but the movie was simply not mainstream accessible. All the marketing in the world can't hide that once the actual movie is seen by the people.

[Alex Logan]

First of all, shut up. Do you have any idea how annoying you just came off?

Do you have any idea how annoying it is to listen to you go on and on about bringing back characters who should by all accounts be dead in the realistic and believable world that Nolan has tried so hard to create?

EXTREMELY!

2nd, I know about as much about Nolan's take as you and the other people who have seen the two movies. Furthermore, I know as much about you and Aaron Eckhart in regards to the third one. NOTHING. Do you really think Nolan would tell Eckhart and even if he did, Eckhart would tell us? It appears you don't know anything about Nolan's Batman because if you did, you would know it always relied on tight lipped secrecy?.

Well, clearly you don't if you think Nolan will tell the same story over again or bring back dead characters.

You know as much about me and Aaron Eckhart in regards to the third one? That makes no sense.

Eckhart told the press alot of things he shouldn't have, that much is widely known.

and 3rd, R.E.A.L.I.S.M (IT'S AN ACRONYM NOW? :whatever:) can be maintained with Ra's being resurrected on film by simply not being dead to begin with (did you see his body? Did you see Two-Faces body?). Chris Nolans idea of realism pertains more to Bruce Wayne being a tangible, 3-dimensional character, unlike the original incarnations.

I wrote it that way to prove a point, which you missed. I don't need to see a body to know there is no way Ra's survived that weck. Two Face is another story, but if everything I've seen and read points to him being dead then I'll think he's dead until proven other wise.

No, wrong. Nolan's Batman and the WORLD he lives in is based in a real world. A world as real as Nolan can make it and that includes his villains.

To reiterate: You and I know as much as Aaron Eckhart: NOTHING. and you are NOT Chris Nolan, and if you are going to obnoxiousley dismiss something because it's NOT NOLAN, then get the **** out of the Catwoman casting thread. Because once upon a time he said Catwoman wouldn't happen. But we still speculate, because anyone who has been around this site long enough and has more than 400 posts knows directors, especially in this stage of development, like to call bluffs.

And where did Nolan ever say Catwoman wouldn't happen. Please send me the link because I've followed everything Batman related since 1989. EVERYTHING! So you see I don't need to have been around THIS site or have more than 400 posts. THIS site is NOT the only source for Batman on the internet.

And finally, no, YOU shut up! :cwink:

[Alex Logan]

To be fair JD, there is more evidence pointing to Dent being brown bread than not. It would take a lot of explaining if he was alive.

Agreed.

It's inarguable that title belongs solely to Joker.

In this case, it would be a flat-out lie on Eckhart's part. I liken this scenario to Maggie, when she was asked if she'd be back for the third. This was before TDK came out. She simply replied that she'd love to come back if asked. Obviously she's not going to, because she's dead. But she left it open-ended. That's what celebs usually do if they don't want to give too much away.

Eckhart, on the other hand, left it pretty clear cut and dry. There's no room for interpreting what he said. Unless you really want to reach for straws.

I'm again going to have to request a direct quote or link to this statement. I've never heard this.

Thank you.

You are misinterpreting them completely. They are saying that basically from the opening night of The Dark Knight people ask wheres Penguin and Catwoman. They are considered staples of the series, but Nolan and Co. obviously do not want to be tied down by those ideas that they need to create a plot around a character rather than use the characters that naturally fit their plot.

Couldn't agree more.

[The Major]

It's inarguable that title belongs solely to Joker.
Exactly.

In this case, it would be a flat-out lie on Eckhart's part. I liken this scenario to Maggie, when she was asked if she'd be back for the third. This was before TDK came out. She simply replied that she'd love to come back if asked. Obviously she's not going to, because she's dead. But she left it open-ended. That's what celebs usually do if they don't want to give too much away.

Maggie could come back in the next movie easily. It would have to be in flashbacks since Rachel died in TDK, though.

[Crook]

What could they possibly display for Rachel, that they'd need her again? Her story's finally finished. Retracing back to her character would be terrible.

[Two-Face]

Yeah, What's the point her in flashbacks? Just use great DC characters that we need to see. I would like to se Selina a lot more

[The Major]

What could they possibly display for Rachel, that they'd need her again? Her story's finally finished. Retracing back to her character would be terrible.
I don't know how they'd use Rachel in flashbacks, just that it is an option were they to bring Maggie in the sequel. That's why its not impossible for her to come back to the franchise. All it requires is the right story that needs flashbacks showing Rachel Dawes doing something.

[Laderlappen]

It is started to get really annoying when people over and over again say 'Nolan said there is 0% chance of Catwoman being in the movie' when he said 'there is not 100% chance she will be in the movie'.

[Cunning Stunts]

Although I believe Harvey is dead, I believe there is more than enough room for him to make a return if they decide to bring him back... On top of that, I'm tired of seeing close-minded *******s BERATE others for wishing for Dent's return.

In the movies, it was never confirmed that he was dead (we don't know that it was a funeral at which Gordon was speaking at, could have just been a memorial- also, for the conspiracy theorists, lord knows Gordon could have set something up... "I like to play things close to the chest.").

And no, Nolan, Eckhart, and the script saying that Two-Face is dead is not- I repeat, NOT- confirmation. This is a work of fiction, and the ONLY confirmation (especially since this series is grounded in realism) is confirmation in the films themselves. For those who think this isn't true (that the script is the final word- which it's not, it's simply a base to use for the film that is COMPLETELY open to changes and interpretation by the creative crew unless it's a bought and licensed piece), here you go:

Bank Robbery Scene (straight from the script):

INT. LOBBY, BANK -- DAY

Grumpy and Bozo cower as the Bank Manager FIRES again.

Grumpy
He's got three left?

Bozo raises TWO fingers. Grumpy squeezes off a SHOT. The Bank Manager FIRES. FIRES again. Grumpy looks at Bozo, who nods. Grumpy JUMPS UP.

The Bank Manager FIRES- Grumpy GRUNTS as buckshot clips his shoulder. FALLS. The Bank Manger moves in for the kill, FUMBLING for new shells. Bozo STANDS- SHOOTS him.

That doesn't happen at all. What happens is this:

INT. LOBBY, BANK -- DAY

Grumpy and Bozo cower as the Bank Manager FIRES again.

Grumpy
He's out,right?

Bozo thinks, NODS. Grumpy JUMPS UP, gun drawn.

The Bank Manager FIRES- Grumpy GRUNTS as buckshot clips his shoulder. FALLS. The Bank Manger begins FUMBLING for new shells. Bozo STANDS- SHOOTS him.

This may sound trivial to you, but in the world of cinema/theatre, it's equally important/unimportant (compared to the script saying Dent is "DEAD.": The script is just a basis for which we use to figure out how the show's going to go). Especially if it's a home-made script (which The Dark Knight's was), and not one licensed by outside sources (i.e., Shakespeare's shows), the script can't be used to determine exactly what happens, nor is it really ever 100% accurate as to what you're seeing onstage/ on camera.

As for the fall: It takes around seven minutes of no breath for brain damage to occur (on average). I don't believe seven minutes passed from the time Dent fell to the time police arrived (and surely the police would have been able to attempt resuscitating him until paramedics arrived). On top of that, unless he landed directly on his head, it's highly likely the fall would not have killed him on impact.

Sorry for the rant, but the argument that "Dent MUST be dead, Nolan/Eckhart/the script SAID SO!" is just as big of ******** as you "non-believers" claim Dent's livelihood is.

The FILMS are canon. Not Nolan's word, not Eckhart's word, not the script.

THE FILMS.

[JuntMonkey]

Gonna have to ask for a link.

No idea why you want it, I already said that Nolan (allegedly) said to not necessarily expect any "marquee" villains. Since there's no definitive statement it will obviously be meaningless to you.

Nevertheless, here is the link to the podcast:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/939/939695p1.html

They start talking at 13:00 about the idiotic Rachel Weisz rumors, and then go into the discussion about the party they were at where they talked to Nolan.

I'd be willing to take bets against Catwoman being in the next one if anybody can figure out an acceptable means of escrow or an alternative. Would bet a fairly substantial amount.

[Alex Logan]

No idea why you want it, I already said that Nolan (allegedly) said to not necessarily expect any "marquee" villains. Since there's no definitive statement it will obviously be meaningless to you.

Nevertheless, here is the link to the podcast:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/939/939695p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/939/939695p1.html)

They start talking at 13:00 about the idiotic Rachel Weisz rumors, and then go into the discussion about the party they were at where they talked to Nolan.

I'd be willing to take bets against Catwoman being in the next one if anybody can figure out an acceptable means of escrow or an alternative. Would bet a fairly substantial amount.

What does this really prove? It's a bunch of guys talk about a table. If it's even true why would Nolan tell THIS guy ANYTHING? Just by the way the guy taked Nolan really didn't want to talk about it.

[Johnny Drama]

Although I believe Harvey is dead, I believe there is more than enough room for him to make a return if they decide to bring him back... On top of that, I'm tired of seeing close-minded *******s BERATE others for wishing for Dent's return.

In the movies, it was never confirmed that he was dead (we don't know that it was a funeral at which Gordon was speaking at, could have just been a memorial- also, for the conspiracy theorists, lord knows Gordon could have set something up... "I like to play things close to the chest.").

And no, Nolan, Eckhart, and the script saying that Two-Face is dead is not- I repeat, NOT- confirmation. This is a work of fiction, and the ONLY confirmation (especially since this series is grounded in realism) is confirmation in the films themselves. For those who think this isn't true (that the script is the final word- which it's not, it's simply a base to use for the film that is COMPLETELY open to changes and interpretation by the creative crew unless it's a bought and licensed piece), here you go:

Bank Robbery Scene (straight from the script):



That doesn't happen at all. What happens is this:



This may sound trivial to you, but in the world of cinema/theatre, it's equally important/unimportant (compared to the script saying Dent is "DEAD.": The script is just a basis for which we use to figure out how the show's going to go). Especially if it's a home-made script (which The Dark Knight's was), and not one licensed by outside sources (i.e., Shakespeare's shows), the script can't be used to determine exactly what happens, nor is it really ever 100% accurate as to what you're seeing onstage/ on camera.

As for the fall: It takes around seven minutes of no breath for brain damage to occur (on average). I don't believe seven minutes passed from the time Dent fell to the time police arrived (and surely the police would have been able to attempt resuscitating him until paramedics arrived). On top of that, unless he landed directly on his head, it's highly likely the fall would not have killed him on impact.

Sorry for the rant, but the argument that "Dent MUST be dead, Nolan/Eckhart/the script SAID SO!" is just as big of ******** as you "non-believers" claim Dent's livelihood is.

The FILMS are canon. Not Nolan's word, not Eckhart's word, not the script.

THE FILMS.



:up: :up: :bow:

[Crook]

No idea why you want it, I already said that Nolan (allegedly) said to not necessarily expect any "marquee" villains. Since there's no definitive statement it will obviously be meaningless to you.

Nevertheless, here is the link to the podcast:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/939/939695p1.html
I asked because I wanted verification. Nothing more. :huh:

I'd be willing to take bets against Catwoman being in the next one if anybody can figure out an acceptable means of escrow or an alternative. Would bet a fairly substantial amount.
It's been repeated so many times here, it's on the previous page in fact. Selina is the most logical choice for a female role in the next one. If not, Talia. Everyone else is a distant runner-up.

[JuntMonkey]

I asked because I wanted verification. Nothing more. :huh:

Haha, sorry for the hostility.

It's been repeated so many times here, it's on the previous page in fact. Selina is the most logical choice for a female role in the next one. If not, Talia. Everyone else is a distant runner-up.

Why do a female role at all (although I'm sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread as well)? I think Nolan is a better filmmaker than to think he HAS to put a female foil in. Just the fact that everybody thinks it automatically has to be Riddler/Catwoman is enough to make me lean vehemently against either of those, because it's so obvious.

I do believe (and hope) that it's less than 50% that we see Catwoman in the next one, thus why I offer a bet.

[Two-Face]

There will be another female character if not Catwoman. I think Catwoman will appear hence of Rachel dying.

[Crook]

Why do a female role at all (although I'm sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread as well)?
Diversity?

I think Nolan is a better filmmaker than to think he HAS to put a female foil in. Just the fact that everybody thinks it automatically has to be Riddler/Catwoman is enough to make me lean vehemently against either of those, because it's so obvious.
It's not a matter of filling a quota, even though we all know it's going to be mandated anyway. It's about representing key characters of the mythos, and exploring Bruce's relationships. Selina is undoubtedly at the top of the ladder in this regard. Ignore the fact that she's popular, a woman, and a love interest. She's still a key figure.

[Johnny Drama]

I think Selina is essential down the line. I am not sure if she would fit in line with a story that should be about a fugitive seeking redemption, but she would be a welcome addition a little bit later. My belief is that a Vicky Vale type (not her per se) should be present, someone who is on both sides of the fence, she would represent the media that is attacking Batman as a criminal, yet is in love with Bruce. It makes for some good conflict.

[Crook]

After losing Rachel the way he did, you really think it's a natural progression for Bruce to fall right back in love with a reporter? Especially if she's following a girl that Bruce has been in love with since as a child? Is there some special trait that Vicki possesses that I'm missing? What makes her interesting as a love interest, at this particular stage of the franchise's story?

Selina is unique in that she shares Bruce's life of duality. She is in so many ways, just like Bruce. In a time where Bruce's other life is now compromised, what better love interest to show than the one that knows exactly the position Bruce is in?

[Laderlappen]

Why do a female role at all
Who wants to see a movie with just a bunch of guys in it?

[Johnny Drama]

After losing Rachel the way he did, you really think it's a natural progression for Bruce to fall right back in love with a reporter? Is there some special trait that Vicki possesses that I'm missing?

Selina is unique in that she shares Bruce's life of duality. She is in so many ways, just like Bruce. In a time where Bruce's other life is no compromised, what better love interest to show, than the one that knows exactly the position Bruce is in?

Rachel wasn't a reporter :huh:

While I think you have a valid point about Bruce's life of duality, I think that is unnecessary in regards to where the next installment seems to be heading.
Also, I think Catwoman should represent the beginning of a new chapter in Batmans life, not the end of one. Catwoman would be put in simply to garner a larger audience but I do not think it would be the best way to round off Nolan's series.

[Crook]

Rachel wasn't a reporter :huh:
Vicki.

While I think you have a valid point about Bruce's life of duality, I think that is unnecessary in regards to where the next installment seems to be heading.
Also, I think Catwoman should represent the beginning of a new chapter in Batmans life, not the end of one.
It would be a new one. Bruce disillusioned himself into having a happy ending with his childhood love. That's been crushed.

Selina is the new-school so to speak. She represents a totally different type of woman. One who upholds the law, but not necessarily by the books. Someone that isn't so goody-goody, and is much more psychologically in sync with Bruce, than Rachel ever was. So now we have a girl that Bruce wouldn't feel like he's sacrificing a part of his life to be with. Their lives can coincide because they are both masked individuals hiding behind fake personas.

So tell me, what does Vicki provide?

Catwoman would be put in simply to garner a larger audience but I do not think it would be the best way to round off Nolan's series.
This seems to imply that the character is void of providing her own substantial reasons for existing in the story. Despite several posts in this very thread indicating otherwise. In that case, I minds as well proclaim Joker was a stunt move in order to try and replicate the massive success of B89. But that probably wouldn't make much sense...

[Johnny Drama]

I said a Vicki type, not her per se. Someone who represents those opposite Batman, the media. But she is also someone who could come around, someone who could help Batman get the redemption he needs.

[Alex Logan]

Diversity?

It's not a matter of filling a quota, even though we all know it's going to be mandated anyway. It's about representing key characters of the mythos, and exploring Bruce's relationships. Selina is undoubtedly at the top of the ladder in this regard. Ignore the fact that she's popular, a woman, and a love interest. She's still a key figure.

Who wants to see a movie with just a bunch of guys in it?

Thank you.

[Crook]

I said a Vicki type, not her per se. Someone who represents those opposite Batman, the media. But she is also someone who could come around, someone who could help Batman get the redemption he needs.
Ok, Vicki or someone else. It doesn't really matter what her name is. What does a media girl provide, that'd be more interesting than Selina? More importantly, how would you naturally move Bruce along to fall in love so quickly with said girl after his last love just died? How does that fit?

[Johnny Drama]

Well, I never said Bruce should fall in love. I am all for a female lead, but I don't think Bruce is ready for love just yet, that's the exact reason I think it is too soon for Catwoman.

[Crook]

So you're either asking for a female lead with no romantic interest towards Bruce, or a female lead that is basically just a stand-in because emotional development will never come out of their relationship.

The former will never happen because of studio mandate, and the latter is an incredibly inferior method of bringing another woman into Bruce's life. :huh:

[Johnny Drama]

I am sorry if I am of the opinion that Batman doesn't need a love interest, my Vicki Vale thing was a suggestion for a solution to the posters who said they don't want a Batman movie with "a bunch of dudes".
But I have read many Batman comics in my 25 years and with that, I know that Bruce Wayne is solitary.
I am sorry if my opinion differs from yours, but I would like an actual Batman movie where the Bruce Wayne character reflects that of the comics and the animated series: That of a lonly man who doesn't need/want love. He wants justice and he knows he can't have the both of them.
how would you naturally move Bruce along to fall in love so quickly with ANY girl after his last love just died?

[Crook]

I am sorry if I am of the opinion that Batman doesn't need a love interest, my Vicki Vale thing was a suggestion for a solution to the posters who said they don't want a Batman movie with "a bunch of dudes".
It's not really much of a need, than it is a want. The studios *want* a female love interest to reach a wider demographic. It can't just be a female character, because that doesn't satisfy anything but a gender quota. I *want* a convincing love interest in this series. I've already had to deal with SV butchering the hell outta Superman, I'd rather Nolan at least salvage the female aspect of this series.

But I have read many Batman comics in my 25 years and with that, I know that Bruce Wayne is solitary.
No, that's really just a very oversimplified description of the character. If you have read the comics, then you would know that Bruce is faaaaaarrr from alone. Especially in the comics.

I am sorry if my opinion differs from yours, but I would like an actual Batman movie where the Bruce Wayne character reflects that of the comics and the animated series: That of a lonly man who doesn't need/want love. He wants justice and he knows he can't have the both of them.
You're joking. This is the same animated series that had Bruce giving up his goal for Andrea and constantly tried to rehabilitate Selina. And the comics that have effectively given Bruce the title of most love interests for any single superhero in existence.

how would you naturally move Bruce along to fall in love so quickly with ANY girl after his last love just died?
I already told you a couple posts up. After Rachel, Bruce can't possibly fall in love with just any ol' girl. That's why I made a point to describe why Selina stands out above the rest. She isn't normal, she's just as conflicted as Bruce, and represents the complete opposite of what Rachel did. That is why it's conceivable for Bruce to love again. Because it's someone who literally has no equal. Selina was made for him.

[Johnny Drama]

It's not really much of a need, than it is a want. The studios *want* a female love interest to reach a wider demographic. It can't just be a female character, because that doesn't satisfy anything but a gender quota. I *want* a convincing love interest in this series. I've already had to deal with SV butchering the hell outta Superman, I'd rather Nolan at least salvage the female aspect of this series.


No, that's really just a very oversimplified description of the character. If you have read the comics, then you would know that Bruce is faaaaaarrr from alone. Especially in the comics.


You're joking. This is the same animated series that had Bruce giving up his goal for Andrea and constantly tried to rehabilitate Selina. And the comics that have effectively given Bruce the title of most love interests for any single superhero in existence.


I already told you a couple posts up. After Rachel, Bruce can't possibly fall in love with just any ol' girl. That's why I made a point to describe why Selina stands out above the rest. She isn't normal, she's just as conflicted as Bruce, and represents the complete opposite of what Rachel did. That is why it's conceivable for Bruce to love again. Because it's someone who literally has no equal. Selina was made for him.


While I think you have many, many valid points, I still hope, that for just one movie, Batman can take his focus off of the oposite sex and have it be a non issue.

[Crook]

I agree. As I've said, the comics are notorious for giving Bruce constant love interests, and I'm not a fan of most of them. If I had it my way, the first and maybe even second movies wouldn't have a love interest for Bruce. But to satisfy the studios, the love interests would be shifted to Gordon and/or Harvey in the form of Sarah and Gilda.

[Johnny Drama]

Has anyone seen Rhona Mitra act? I haven't, but I just saw a bunch of her pics. Is she any good? She certainly looks like Selina, but without seeing her act I wouldn't be able to really have an opinion on her.

[Majik1387]

I think she's a great actress, but a bit too masculine for Selina.

[Johnny Drama]

If Catwoman is in, I am still for Cotilliard all the way.

[Majik1387]

I still don't see why a female character has to be the love interest.

[Johnny Drama]

I still don't see why a female character has to be the love interest.

Me niether, but Crook brings up a good point. The female demographic...

[batboy99]

I think she's a great actress, but a bit too masculine for Selina.
I thought you liked her for Selina. :confused:

And JD: Shes not bad IMO

[Laderlappen]

There is an unwritten rule that for a movie to be good, the main character(s) has to have a somewhat strong relationship with another main character. Without a love interest the movie would just become completely cold and unemotional.

[RachelDawes]

I still don't see why a female character has to be the love interest.

You would prefer a male character be the love interest? :oldrazz:

[anrrd_2]

You would prefer a male character be the love interest? :oldrazz:

ba-zing!:woot:

[The Major]

Ok, Vicki or someone else. It doesn't really matter what her name is. What does a media girl provide, that'd be more interesting than Selina? More importantly, how would you naturally move Bruce along to fall in love so quickly with said girl after his last love just died? How does that fit?
Sasha might work. Bruce could hire her in between TDK and the next sequel and time has passed where they both start to have feelings for each other. Unlike someone like Vicki or Rachel she could take care of herself in fights and have a closer understanding of Batman.

[Alex Logan]

It's not really much of a need, than it is a want. The studios *want* a female love interest to reach a wider demographic. It can't just be a female character, because that doesn't satisfy anything but a gender quota. I *want* a convincing love interest in this series. I've already had to deal with SV butchering the hell outta Superman, I'd rather Nolan at least salvage the female aspect of this series.


No, that's really just a very oversimplified description of the character. If you have read the comics, then you would know that Bruce is faaaaaarrr from alone. Especially in the comics.


You're joking. This is the same animated series that had Bruce giving up his goal for Andrea and constantly tried to rehabilitate Selina. And the comics that have effectively given Bruce the title of most love interests for any single superhero in existence.


I already told you a couple posts up. After Rachel, Bruce can't possibly fall in love with just any ol' girl. That's why I made a point to describe why Selina stands out above the rest. She isn't normal, she's just as conflicted as Bruce, and represents the complete opposite of what Rachel did. That is why it's conceivable for Bruce to love again. Because it's someone who literally has no equal. Selina was made for him.

Me too.

[MaskedManJRK]

After losing Rachel the way he did, you really think it's a natural progression for Bruce to fall right back in love with a reporter? Especially if she's following a girl that Bruce has been in love with since as a child? Is there some special trait that Vicki possesses that I'm missing? What makes her interesting as a love interest, at this particular stage of the franchise's story?

Selina is unique in that she shares Bruce's life of duality. She is in so many ways, just like Bruce. In a time where Bruce's other life is now compromised, what better love interest to show than the one that knows exactly the position Bruce is in?

Another more deeper reason:

Selina, if you go with the more grounded origin established by Miller and Brubaker, represents both the hope and the madness that comes after Batman arrives in Gotham City.

While she's not as amoral as The Joker or any of Batman's other rogues, she still puts on a costume, a mask, and breaks the law after seeing Batman come onto the scene.

But, before this, she was at the lowest rung of society one could be on--she's been used so many times she considers it the norm. Then...this masked avenger comes up and starts breaking the corrupt norm of the city, and, inspired, fights back and decides she won't be a victim anymore.

So, for the movie, she could challenge Batman's viewpoint of himself--after what happened in TDK, he would probably be guilty, accept the monsterous role that's been given to him, and consider himself the harbinger to the insanity of Gotham. But, this outlaw with a conscience would show him that he still inspires hope.

Also: It's been pretty much well-established that the Nolan franchise that there won't be a Robin--but with the GCPD having to go after him, he'll need help. Enter Selina, giving him clues ala "The Long Halloween" and helping directly when it involves something that's against her morals.

[Cunning Stunts]

Has anyone seen Rhona Mitra act? I haven't, but I just saw a bunch of her pics. Is she any good? She certainly looks like Selina, but without seeing her act I wouldn't be able to really have an opinion on her.

I suggested her a while back, and got flamed BIG-TIME. I think she's a fine actress, and would do well under Nolan, but there are better that I'd rather see.

And for those saying she's masculine- a muscular, aggressive woman (like Catwoman) isn't exactly the definition of feminine. I wouldn't call Catwoman masculine, but I'd hardly call her the ideal model of a "lady of utmost femininity."

Besides, I think Rhona's hot. I wouldn't call her features masculine, just strong. :o

[Crook]

Another more deeper reason:

Selina, if you go with the more grounded origin established by Miller and Brubaker, represents both the hope and the madness that comes after Batman arrives in Gotham City.

While she's not as amoral as The Joker or any of Batman's other rogues, she still puts on a costume, a mask, and breaks the law after seeing Batman come onto the scene.

But, before this, she was at the lowest rung of society one could be on--she's been used so many times she considers it the norm. Then...this masked avenger comes up and starts breaking the corrupt norm of the city, and, inspired, fights back and decides she won't be a victim anymore.

So, for the movie, she could challenge Batman's viewpoint of himself--after what happened in TDK, he would probably be guilty, accept the monsterous role that's been given to him, and consider himself the harbinger to the insanity of Gotham. But, this outlaw with a conscience would show him that he still inspires hope.

Also: It's been pretty much well-established that the Nolan franchise that there won't be a Robin--but with the GCPD having to go after him, he'll need help. Enter Selina, giving him clues ala "The Long Halloween" and helping directly when it involves something that's against her morals.
Precisely. Robin would have been my first choice to show Batman redeeming his hope for his existence, but Selina could fulfill that role just as well. But I wouldn't go as far as to making them partners, in any form. Not only is it too early for that, but they work best opposite each other.

I suggested her a while back, and got flamed BIG-TIME. I think she's a fine actress, and would do well under Nolan, but there are better that I'd rather see.
Heh, I don't remember if I ever directly talked to you about it, but I do know that when Golgo brought Rhona up, me and him got into a huge debate over the idea. It has yet to be resolved actually. :o

And for those saying she's masculine- a muscular, aggressive woman (like Catwoman) isn't exactly the definition of feminine. I wouldn't call Catwoman masculine, but I'd hardly call her the ideal model of a "lady of utmost femininity."
I don't know anyone that would identify Selina as muscular. She's athletic, which is different. And her aggressiveness is far from masculine either. It's very much a womanly rage and attitude. In fact, asides from the short hair there's really nothing male-like about her. :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

I don't know anyone that would identify Selina as muscular. She's athletic, which is different. And her aggressiveness is far from masculine either. It's very much a womanly rage and attitude. In fact, asides from the short hair there's really nothing male-like about her. :huh:

Muscular and athletic can still coincide. Sure, she's sleek and athletic, but the body of a woman that does what she does is going to be solid. Not like a body-builder by any stretch, but still very defined.

As far as her aggression and rage, I never really envision many "classy" or... I guess we could say, "stereotypical" women taking it out the way she does. A more girly version of Michelle Rodriguez is probably the best example of this... Still has that girly and feminine touch, but very tough, badass, and has that hint of masculinity. Not at all a turn-off in my eyes, I just don't see Catwoman as being the epitome of "classy lady" given the way she acts (more specifically in the suit). Probably just me though.

[Crook]

Muscular and athletic can still coincide. Sure, she's sleek and athletic, but the body of a woman that does what she does is going to be solid. Not like a body-builder by any stretch, but still very defined.
Yeah, athletic and toned. But still not masculine. There are plenty of women who keep in very good shape that retain every bit of their feminine qualities.

As far as her aggression and rage, I never really envision many "classy" or... I guess we could say, "stereotypical" women taking it out the way she does. A more girly version of Michelle Rodriguez is probably the best example of this... Still has that girly and feminine touch, but very tough, badass, and has that hint of masculinity.
Michelle is the epitome of a tom-boy in my eyes. She has that raspy voice, the tough face, the boy-ish mannerisms. That's a very different type of aggression that I would associate Selina with.

Not at all a turn-off in my eyes, I just don't see Catwoman as being the epitome of "classy lady" given the way she acts (more specifically in the suit). Probably just me though.
I wouldn't call her classy either. Then again, I don't associate classiness with women, exclusively. Selina's a wildcard who isn't very girly, but every bit of mannerism and action she takes part in, is still extended from a womanly perspective. I hope that makes sense.

We can take a look at Pfeiffer's performance, for example. Which I think is safe to say, that origins aside, the way she carried herself is pretty much how everyone thinks Catwoman should be like. Would you consider her to be masculine there, in any scene?

[jmc]

Precisely. Robin would have been my first choice to show Batman redeeming his hope for his existence, but Selina could fulfill that role just as well. But I wouldn't go as far as to making them partners, in any form. Not only is it too early for that, but they work best opposite each other.




My only exception to that would be if they have no option but to work together.

[The Major]

My only exception to that would be if they have no option but to work together.She could be an antagonist to both parties. At first she could be employed by the main villain for a mutual goal, only she turns on them secretly by giving Batman information when he needs it without him realizing it. For example, when she breaks into a place she could trigger the alarms deliberately which somehow gets Batman snooping around an area the main villain does not want him near. The relationship between her and Batman could be ambiguous so the audience never knows which "side" she's really on.

[Dark Knight]

Another more deeper reason:

Selina, if you go with the more grounded origin established by Miller and Brubaker, represents both the hope and the madness that comes after Batman arrives in Gotham City.

While she's not as amoral as The Joker or any of Batman's other rogues, she still puts on a costume, a mask, and breaks the law after seeing Batman come onto the scene.

But, before this, she was at the lowest rung of society one could be on--she's been used so many times she considers it the norm. Then...this masked avenger comes up and starts breaking the corrupt norm of the city, and, inspired, fights back and decides she won't be a victim anymore.

So, for the movie, she could challenge Batman's viewpoint of himself--after what happened in TDK, he would probably be guilty, accept the monsterous role that's been given to him, and consider himself the harbinger to the insanity of Gotham. But, this outlaw with a conscience would show him that he still inspires hope.

Also: It's been pretty much well-established that the Nolan franchise that there won't be a Robin--but with the GCPD having to go after him, he'll need help. Enter Selina, giving him clues ala "The Long Halloween" and helping directly when it involves something that's against her morals.





Thats a very good way to show what Selina motivation would be for this movie and how to bring her along to be Bruces' new muse if you will.

She would provide Bruce with the type of inspirational love where in which Rachel could not.

[Johnny Drama]

There is an unwritten rule that for a movie to be good, the main character(s) has to have a somewhat strong relationship with another main character. Without a love interest the movie would just become completely cold and unemotional.

So do a Gordon/Sarah or a Joker/Harley angle. Does it have to be Bruce?

[Dark Knight]

A female love interest is guaranteed to be in the next one. Catwoman is right at the top of that very short list.

A recurring villain is a lot less likely. Especially when actor who defined the role is dead.




Agreed! And make no mistake from what I have heard since last year is that it's going to come down to Selina or Talia.....perhaps even both?!

We'll see what Goyer and the Nolan(s) come up with.

[Majik1387]

Me niether, but Crook brings up a good point. The female demographic...
Oh, I do want female leads as well, but like I said, I don't see why they have to be a love interest.
There is an unwritten rule that for a movie to be good, the main character(s) has to have a somewhat strong relationship with another main character. Without a love interest the movie would just become completely cold and unemotional.
I disagree.
You would prefer a male character be the love interest? :oldrazz:
Haha, nah, I'm not one to change a defining trait of a character to appeal to myself, but I just find it annoying that there has to be a focal love interest for a movie to work. I'm not saying no love interests allowed or anything, but I don't think it would break a movie if it had just a strong bond that wasn't romantic love between male and female lead characters.

[Ledlunar]

So do a Gordon/Sarah or a Joker/Harley angle. Does it have to be Bruce?

I know everyone hates Harley Quinn around these parts but if they did use Joker again I think showing he can manipulate a pretty psychiatrist is just another ace in his sleeves, it already showed him make Harvey see his point of view, egged on a cop into fighting him to escape the holding cell, this would be just one more fine layer in how manipulative he is, and show he does have that charisma many lunatics in this world do have , to attract female and warp there heads,,, Im still for Selina obviously but Johnny Drama raised a good point, (Im not big on a Sarah Gordon affair though for these films) The thing is though if Heath was coming back Id say the best way to have him escape is by bending his psychiatrist's mind, if Heaths Joker take began with a bit of the Syd Vicious approach imagine a bit of a Syd & Nancy approach, though if they did something like this I wouldn't want to see her a whole lot maybe just have her fall in love with the JOker he breaks out and kills her.. who knows or not

But yeah Selina is what Id hope for, I find Vicki Vale and the rest so boring and irrelevant in comparison

[RachelDawes]

Oh, I do want female leads as well, but like I said, I don't see why they have to be a love interest.

Haha, nah, I'm not one to change a defining trait of a character to appeal to myself, but I just find it annoying that there has to be a focal love interest for a movie to work. I'm not saying no love interests allowed or anything, but I don't think it would break a movie if it had just a strong bond that wasn't romantic love between male and female lead characters.

You're not the first person on these boards to say this. I see where you're coming from, but it's practically a rule of superhero films that there has to be a love interest. Most likely the romantic angle supposed to pull in women, as Crook stated. As much as some of us may not like it we're almost certainly going to get it so we should focus on getting an interesting love interest who can bring out a different side of Batman.

[Laderlappen]

So do a Gordon/Sarah or a Joker/Harley angle. Does it have to be Bruce?I think so. Every movie doesnt need a love interest for the main character. But then you need a close firend relationship or a father/son relationship. The main character need to have someone personal to care about. The only person that is close to Bruce is Alfred, and I dont think that's enough.

About the Joker/harley thing, the last thing the Joker would need is some humanity. That is if the Joker is in the third(which he probably isnt).

[The Major]

About the Joker/harley thing, the last thing the Joker would need is some humanity. That is if the Joker is in the third(which he probably isnt).
They don't have to give Joker humanity to use Harley.

[anrrd_2]

They don't have to give Joker humanity to use Harley.

agreed, the only one who needs "humanity" is harley...shes is head over heels bat ***** crazy in love with joker. and joker just uses her because she will do anything for him. and her being so pathetic is ammusing to him.

[flickchick85]

I think so. Every movie doesnt need a love interest for the main character. But then you need a close firend relationship or a father/son relationship. The main character need to have someone personal to care about. The only person that is close to Bruce is Alfred, and I dont think that's enough.

Agreed. The audience connects with the main character through his connections with other characters. Now, if they wanted to turn the Bruce/Alfred relationship up a few notches above Billionaire-and-snarky-loyal-manservant-who-looks-after-him, then that might suffice. However, I feel at this point in the story, any attempt to do that might come across as contrived (like, "Alfred becomes ill" or some melodrama like that).

Bruce needs another connection in order for us to stay connected to him, especially since his alliance with Gordon will likely be strained (or even cut off) in this next one. A new "best friend" would seem more than a little random at this point, so a love interest is just the most logical way to go. And Catwoman, imo, would be the most natural, organic love interest story-wise, since the guy is so cutoff with the world against him. She's someone he can not only relate to (with their "masks" and unique extracurricular activities), but who can also seriously tempt him with a "you don't owe them anything" attitude.

[regwec]

What approach do you think should be taken to Selina's breasts? Traditionally, they're pretty impressive, but realistically, she might have real trouble leaping around or even running quickly if she is to be that top-heavy.

It's an interesting issue because it underpins the whole clash of "realism" versus "comicbookism" which fans like to act out.

[batboy99]

The bigger the better :D

[Crook]

What approach do you think should be taken to Selina's breasts? Traditionally, they're pretty impressive, but realistically, she might have real trouble leaping around or even running quickly if she is to be that top-heavy.

It's an interesting issue because it underpins the whole clash of "realism" versus "comicbookism" which fans like to act out.
What a way to interject into the discussion, reg. :funny:

Anyway, it shouldn't be an issue. Most likely the actress getting the role won't have the assets to make it a concern. Hollywood tends to breed 'em slim and slender. On the rare case she does, I'm sure a hardened breast plate placed under the suit would keep the puppies in place during movement. The explanation works in and out of the film's context. :o

[BobJM]

What approach do you think should be taken to Selina's breasts? Traditionally, they're pretty impressive, but realistically, she might have real trouble leaping around or even running quickly if she is to be that top-heavy.

It's an interesting issue because it underpins the whole clash of "realism" versus "comicbookism" which fans like to act out.

Funniest thing i read on the boards today.

[Johnny Drama]

What approach do you think should be taken to Selina's breasts? Traditionally, they're pretty impressive, but realistically, she might have real trouble leaping around or even running quickly if she is to be that top-heavy.

It's an interesting issue because it underpins the whole clash of "realism" versus "comicbookism" which fans like to act out.


I think Selinas "assets" should be average, similar to that of Michele Pfiefer, Julie Newmar, Ect...
When you go ahead and give her these bulbous water balloons for the sake of Catwoman haveing the same "tig ol' biddies" from the comics, you cheapen the on-screen character and make it impossible to believe she could be agile/quick.
Plus, try looking at that actress in the face when she has 38DDs staring back at you. It would be so distracting!

[Crook]

Pfieffer was flat as hell. I'd prefer more curves if it was attainable.

[Johnny Drama]

Me too but it isn't absolutely essential..

[Johnny Drama]

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[Voorhees]

Honestly, I really want Kate Beckinsale in the role, she's a very good actress, and I think she has a very Selina Kyle esque look to her.

I feel that Angelina Jolie would be TOO obvious of a choice, but if she did get cast I wouldn't mind.

[Johnny Drama]

Honestly, I really want Kate Beckinsale in the role, she's a very good actress, and I think she has a very Selina Kyle esque look to her.

I feel that Angelina Jolie would be TOO obvious of a choice, but if she did get cast I wouldn't mind.


Welcome to The Hype, Voorhees.

I think Kate Beckinsale would be a better choice than many people give her credit for. Angelina IS too obvious of a choice and even though she is great actress, her presence in the movie would overshadow Bales Batman, which was the only downside (for me) about TDK, was that Ledger overshadowed Bale (and rightfully so).

That's why I am all for Marion Cotilliard, she is an amazing actress. I just hope she can pull off the american accent, even if her sexy european accent brings back memories of Catwoman's alter ego "Ms. Kitka" in the old Batman movie from the 60's.


:batty:

[Crook]

Considering how extravagant and individually interesting each of his villains are...I'd say it'd be a failure if Batman wasn't overshadowed. :huh:

[Johnny Drama]

I think the only two villains in his rogues gallery that actually overshadow him are The Joker and Catwoman. The rest, interesting as they may be, take a backseat to Batman, who is an american icon.

[Voorhees]

Welcome to The Hype, Voorhees.

I think Kate Beckinsale would be a better choice than many people give her credit for. Angelina IS too obvious of a choice and even though she is great actress, her presence in the movie would overshadow Bales Batman, which was the only downside (for me) about TDK, was that Ledger overshadowed Bale (and rightfully so).

That's why I am all for Marion Cotilliard, she is an amazing actress. I just hope she can pull off the american accent, even if her sexy european accent brings back memories of Catwoman's alter ego "Ms. Kitka" in the old Batman movie from the 60's.


:batty:

Thanks.

I agree, people say she isn't that great of an actress, and I think those people are wrong. She's shown herself to be a very capable actress whom I believe could handle the role of Catwoman very well.

I'm not too familiar with Marion Cotilliard, so I can't truly speak on whether or not she'd be a good choice.

[SpideyPredator]

This chick K.D Aubert will be perfect, check her out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHNqBPuu_mA








http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/kd-aubert-scary-movie-3-los-angeles-premiere-dUtGzI.jpg

[Ledlunar]

^...... meh.... :(

[Voorhees]

What approach do you think should be taken to Selina's breasts? Traditionally, they're pretty impressive, but realistically, she might have real trouble leaping around or even running quickly if she is to be that top-heavy.

It's an interesting issue because it underpins the whole clash of "realism" versus "comicbookism" which fans like to act out.

I think they should be pretty medium sized, because the same thing you mentioned is what I've thought of many times. The breasts don't really define her character, I want an actress who is going to deliver. Take Charlize Theron for example. She doesn't have the biggest breast but if she got cast I wouldn't give two cents about that because of how great an actress she is.

[Ace of Knaves]

Na see, Catwoman should have at least G-cup breasts :up:









:hehe: :funny: :hehe:

[Cunning Stunts]

Na see, Catwoman should have at least G-cup breasts :up:









:hehe: :funny: :hehe:

Keeley Hazell FTMFW!

[Voorhees]

Na see, Catwoman should have at least G-cup breasts :up:









:hehe: :funny: :hehe:

That would never work. The theater floors would be sticky. I don't want to get up to try and leave only to discover my shoes are stuck to the floor. :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

:hehe: That's just nasty.

[WeaponXProject]

I think she's a great actress, but a bit too masculine for Selina.


I suggested Rhona way back and got slammed for it...she hasn't shown much bc she hasn't been in enough to judge her but I think her look is absolutely purrrfect for the role. Masculine? She's in good shape. Masculine would be Jennifer Garner or Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby.

[Ace of Knaves]

Winona Ryder :D

Or...Lena Headey.

[Laderlappen]

This chick K.D Aubert will be perfect, check her out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHNqBPuu_mA








http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/kd-aubert-scary-movie-3-los-angeles-premiere-dUtGzI.jpg:facepalm Be serious for f'ck sake!!!

[Two-Face]

:funny:

[Majik1387]

I suggested Rhona way back and got slammed for it...she hasn't shown much bc she hasn't been in enough to judge her but I think her look is absolutely purrrfect for the role. Masculine? She's in good shape. Masculine would be Jennifer Garner or Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby.
I've suggested her before as well a while back, even made a manip of her as Catwoman, but thinking about it, I much prefer her for Talia.

[Voorhees]

I think Rhona would be better for Talia, but could definitely pull off Catwoman as well.

[batboy99]

Agreed.

And who is that KD chick? Shes superhot, is she an actress?

[regwec]

I believe she is some sort of low-powered actress. She does look absolutely delicious, though...

[Voorhees]

I know I may get flamed for this but I'm up for Jessica Biel in the role. I think she could handle it quite well.

[Laderlappen]

I think Biel was mentioned a while ago. I say now what I said then: She is in my opinion the 2nd worst famous actor(men and women) in hollywood(Alba being the no1). So no to her.

[Voorhees]

I don't think either are nearly as bad as people try to make them out to be.