The New Catwoman Casting Thread

[batboy99]

Shawnee Smith is a babe! Ive always liked it, but I never thought about her as Selina. Good job!

Edit: She looks like one of my teachers LOL

[Jack Bauer]

Thank you.

Who would you want casted as Selina Kyle/Catwoman Laderlappen? Someone just for the star power? Looking on it Eckhart and Murphy weren't as well-known before they got some major roles. They were manly known for their independent flicks, it doesn't matter who plays the role as long as the role is done with justice in this Nolanized Batman world.

IMO, Shawnee looks exactly like Catwoman in the comics, that's how I see it.

[batboy99]

I never realized how much she resembles the character.

[Jack Bauer]

Yeah, if you really look at it sometimes comic artists drawn the characters after famous people. There could have been artists who've seen some of her work and used her a model for the Cat.

[Majik1387]

No thanks to Shawnee Smith either.

[Laderlappen]

Thank you.

Who would you want casted as Selina Kyle/Catwoman Laderlappen? Someone just for the star power? Looking on it Eckhart and Murphy weren't as well-known before they got some major roles. They were manly known for their independent flicks, it doesn't matter who plays the role as long as the role is done with justice in this Nolanized Batman world.

IMO, Shawnee looks exactly like Catwoman in the comics, that's how I see it.Is looking like the character the only thing that matters to you. Because you literally said 'these pics are proof that she will be great'.

[Cunning Stunts]

I've actually been thinking Shawnee Smith would be a great Harley for some time now... But I could never remember her name. I dunno about her as Catwoman, though.

[Jack Bauer]

Here's another visual comparison that would hopefully show Shawnee as the Catwoman:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12524/265424-105440-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Scream%20Queens/shawnee518.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/33764-4955-37698-1-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/mplayerc2007-08-2723-57-23-51.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/65304-7328-98301-1-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/mplayerc2007-08-2800-30-36-40.jpg

Is looking like the character the only thing that matters to you. Because you literally said 'these pics are proof that she will be great'.
Yeah, but how many pics have you seen with actresses dressed as Catwoman and people wanting them as Catwoman?

[Cunning Stunts]

The point I believe Lader's trying to make is that you seem to be focused solely on the actor's appearance, and not her acting skills. This character especially needs a great actress who can legitimize a female character (since the females haven't been exactly stellar in these films so far), and who carry on Ledger's impact.

I don't really care if she's black, white, asian, hispanic, etc., so long as she's a damned good actress and blows this character out of the water.

[Crook]

Let's ignore the skills (for a moment)....I don't even think she's remotely qualified in appearance alone. :funny:

I don't find her sexy in the least. Way too plain-looking.

[Jack Bauer]

The thing is that I'm not only showing a comparison but she's also a damn good actress who can do the role well. She heavily studied stuff prior doing SAW III, and a lot of actors/actresses do the same thing before doing a film.

[batboy99]

In saw she was bland looking, but Jack posted a pic where she looked pretty good.

[Crook]

I'd rather not deal with another Maggie situation. Especially with Catwoman, of ALL girls.

[Jack Bauer]

Obviously you've never seen Shawnee's Maxim spread.

[Crook]

I've seen her face. That's kinda all the proof I need.

[Cunning Stunts]

Let's ignore the skills (for a moment)....I don't even think she's remotely qualified in appearance alone. :funny:

I don't find her sexy in the least. Way too plain-looking.

Yeah, she was cute on Becker, but in her age she's kind of... Well, lost it.

I think she'd make a great Harley, nonetheless.

[Johnny Drama]

10 years ago, and she still wouldn't be good for Catwoman.

Agreed. 100%

[Jack Bauer]

Bale is like what? 35, right? He could play someone younger. Same deal with Sam Jackson, he's 60 and he could play someone in his early forties. Shawnee's is near 40 (she's 38) and still looks good.

[Alex Logan]

:whatever:

Same to ya... If you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself. :cwink:

[Alex Logan]

Let's ignore the skills (for a moment)....I don't even think she's remotely qualified in appearance alone. :funny:

I don't find her sexy in the least. Way too plain-looking.

Agreed.

I'd rather not deal with another Maggie situation. Especially with Catwoman, of ALL girls.

Yeah, me too.

[Majik1387]

Bale is like what? 35, right? He could play someone younger. Same deal with Sam Jackson, he's 60 and he could play someone in his early forties. Shawnee's is near 40 (she's 38) and still looks good.
No on all counts. Bale looks no younger than 30. Jackson can play someone in his early 50's at most. Shawnee is the same as Bale, good for characters in their 30's, no younger.
Same to ya... If you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself. :cwink:
What a boring place we'd be in if everyone followed this.

[Jack Bauer]

No on all counts. Bale looks no younger than 30. Jackson can play someone in his early 50's at most. Shawnee is the same as Bale, good for characters in their 30's, no younger.
True, but what does age have to do with anything? She's aged gracefully.

[Johnny Drama]

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[Majik1387]

True, but what does age have to do with anything? She's aged gracefully.

If it didn't have to do with anything, you wouldn't have made a post talking about actor's ages.:whatever:

[Johnny Drama]

What a boring place we'd be in if everyone followed this.

Yeah right?

[Majik1387]

Like you can say thing that others may not find nice, but its not like you're insulting them.

[Laderlappen]

The thing is that I'm not only showing a comparison but she's also a damn good actress who can do the role well. She heavily studied stuff prior doing SAW III, and a lot of actors/actresses do the same thing before doing a film.She has only done a couple of horror movies(only one of them were really that good and I dont even remember her in that), and a sitcom(that wasnt that good either). Neither of these roles were very demanding. What have she impressed you with? You'd think after the Heath Ledger sucess people would start to suggest more serious dramatic actors.

[Crook]

After Heath? There were dozens of dramatic actors cast in comic book movies. For decades. If they weren't enough to change people's perception of who's cast, then nothing will.

[Johnny Drama]

:up:Here's another visual comparison that would hopefully show Shawnee as the Catwoman:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/mplayerc2007-08-2800-30-36-40.jpg


Yeah, but how many pics have you seen with actresses dressed as Catwoman and people wanting them as Catwoman?



Wow dude, she is really not attractive at all. Not in the slightest bit. Good job :up:

[Alex Logan]

What a boring place we'd be in if everyone followed this.

Maybe, but alteast you'd show a little respect and you won't come off like an ass. Now that I think about it I've found more in THIS thread than any other.

:huh:

Strange... must be the topic and the age group that it attracts.

[Johnny Drama]

Alex, no offense man, but does your signature have to be THAT big? It's very abrassive...

[Crook]

Johnny, no offense man, but does you signature have to be THAT incorrect? It's very deprecatory...

[The Major]

Shawnee Smith as Catwoman, she could do a Nolan Catwoman justice. If you don't believe me, see for yourself:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/39435-4955-44371-1-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Monster%20Mania%20Conventions/Shawneegfdl.png

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/2809201582_8d23bea63a.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/mplayerc2007-08-2800-05-18-90.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/745904-catwoman_2_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20II/SawII.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/197215-78086-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/amandaseeingjohnspasm.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5599/202468-188420-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/2mi0rjo.jpg
She'd make a better Harley.

[batboy99]

Shawnee can look really good when its necessary
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6516/shawneesmith006resizra9.jpg
http://www.kfilmu.net/obrazky/herci/shawnee-smith.jpg

[Punisher Rising]

Hey guys, I'm new here and have lurked around for a while. Anyway, in response to Shawnee Smith as Catwoman, to me she is perfect for the role. She not only very strongly resembles the character as the comparisons Jack posted show, has the perfect eyes, a good physique and a very sultry and husky voice for her, she has the talent to pull it off. She's very versatile in her performances and can play a villain very well but also portray a villain who has something of a good side or is morally ambiguous. I think she's perfect for Catwoman and would make the character her own if she got the role. I've seen her suggested for Harley Quinn a few times, but IMO she doesn't have the right appearance or attributes for her. Doesn't have the mousy quality or a squeaky enough voice or high-pitched laugh. I'm sure she could do Harley well, but I don't get the vibe from her. Catwoman on the other hand I think she is perfect for and has both the appearance and talent to bring the character to life.

[Travesty]

Shawnee Smith has the look of Catwomen, but I don't think she's a great actress. I thought she was barely passable in the Saw movies, and her best role would be the girl in "Who's Harry Crumb" when she was 14-15 years old.

Looks? Sure

Acting? Hell no

[Laderlappen]

After Heath? There were dozens of dramatic actors cast in comic book movies. For decades. If they weren't enough to change people's perception of who's cast, then nothing will.Thatis true. Even Burton chose those kinds of actors. But with the impact of Heath Ledger, you'd think people would want more actors like him instead of random horror-movie actors.

[Johnny Drama]

Johnny, no offense man, but does you signature have to be THAT incorrect? It's very deprecatory...


deprecatory? yes, incorrect? No. But we can go into another thread for that. These days this thread is more off topic than it is on topic. :cwink:

[Johnny Drama]

Shawnee Smith doesn't even really look THAT much like Selina, certainly not enough to overlook the fact that she can not act her way out of a box.
And what an impressive resume she has. Summer School, The Blob remake and all The Saw movies. That's star power there.

[elgato]

Sawnee Smith looks nothing like Catwoman, nothing ATALL, she has the eyes like if she was all the time depressed, Selina must have cat eyes, and she's a pretty mediocre actress, Selina must look, and act the closest to this: (I sooo love this photoshoot)

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/marion_02.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/cotillard006zd0.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/cotillard009xy2.jpg

She looks more Selina-ish in this ones tho

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/sexymarion1.jpg

[CB Fan]

How about Kimberly Williams-paisley?
http://kimberlywilliams-paisley.com/images/pro-shots/162524-6.jpg

Or Kerry Washington
http://www.iheartthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03_1/kerrywashington2.jpg

Both Are very Great Actresses

[Cunning Stunts]

Shawnee can look really good when its necessary
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6516/shawneesmith006resizra9.jpg
http://www.kfilmu.net/obrazky/herci/shawnee-smith.jpg

That first is airbrushed to hell. :o

[flickchick85]

I have no idea who Shawnee Smith is, but I'm not seeing how people are saying she looks like Catwoman. In that comparison that was posted, the only similarities I saw were in the facial expressions, not the features. To me she looks waaaay too plain for Selina.

[Laderlappen]

HAHA. How can you fail to pick an actress just based on looks?!

[flickchick85]

lol, this discussion's killing you, isn't it Laderlappen. You're sarcasm's going off the charts. ;)

ETA: for the record, looks are all I have to go on. Oh, that and that her most notable roles to date appear to be in bad horror movies, which doesn't speak well for her acting skills. I just don't see anything about her that says, "she should be Catwoman!"

*waves the Cotillard flag just for the heck of it*

Catwoman!
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6566/mcdior2pj0.jpg

[The Major]

I've seen her suggested for Harley Quinn a few times, but IMO she doesn't have the right appearance or attributes for her. Doesn't have the mousy quality or a squeaky enough voice or high-pitched laugh. I'm sure she could do Harley well, but I don't get the vibe from her. Catwoman on the other hand I think she is perfect for and has both the appearance and talent to bring the character to life.
Read the Harley Quinn thread. Harley doesn't have to be exactly like her cartoon counter-part to be adapted. There has to be some alteration for her to fit in Nolan's world. You're discounting TDK"s Joker influence, as well. A Harley who follows him is going to be much more psychotic then from Batman:TAS.

[namtaB]

Shawnee Smith doesn't even really look THAT much like Selina, certainly not enough to overlook the fact that she can not act her way out of a box.
And what an impressive resume she has. Summer School, The Blob remake and all The Saw movies. That's star power there.

I don't get where this type of criticism comes from. I can understand if this came from a Hollywood agent whose job it is to criticize talent, but it baffles me that a poster on the Hype would come up with something like this.

Marion Cotlliard guest starred on Highlander! Not only that but she was HORRIBLE in the role. Now I can forgive her since it seems this was an early role and she has since found her acting chops. But the elitism here really needs to stop. Its like listening to a short fat beer guzzling guy say that Giselle Bundchen isn't hot b/c she has a slightly masculine jaw. What matters is whether the girl can play the role of Selina Kyle notwithstanding her history in tv and/or film.

[KalMart]

Read the Harley Quinn thread. Harley doesn't have to be exactly like her cartoon counter-part to be adapted. There has to be some alteration for her to fit in Nolan's world. You're discounting TDK"s Joker influence, as well. A Harley who follows him is going to be much more psychotic then from Batman:TAS.

But without a constant Joker presence in the story, much less effective, narratively. I don't think it would be a good idea to use HQ unless you were going to recast the Joker and have him be a main villain again.

[batboy99]

Sawnee Smith looks nothing like Catwoman, nothing ATALL, she has the eyes like if she was all the time depressed, Selina must have cat eyes, and she's a pretty mediocre actress, Selina must look, and act the closest to this: (I sooo love this photoshoot)

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/marion_02.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/cotillard006zd0.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/cotillard009xy2.jpg

She looks more Selina-ish in this ones tho

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo281/Gato-Chico/sexymarion1.jpgThose first pics make her look more like an alien from Star Trek.

[RachelDawes]

Shawnee can look really good when its necessary
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6516/shawneesmith006resizra9.jpg
http://www.kfilmu.net/obrazky/herci/shawnee-smith.jpg

She looks good in those pictures but that's still just average in Hollywood.

[Crook]

I don't get where this type of criticism comes from. I can understand if this came from a Hollywood agent whose job it is to criticize talent, but it baffles me that a poster on the Hype would come up with something like this.

Marion Cotlliard guest starred on Highlander! Not only that but she was HORRIBLE in the role. Now I can forgive her since it seems this was an early role and she has since found her acting chops. But the elitism here really needs to stop. Its like listening to a short fat beer guzzling guy say that Giselle Bundchen isn't hot b/c she has a slightly masculine jaw. What matters is whether the girl can play the role of Selina Kyle notwithstanding her history in tv and/or film.
Filmographies are all we have. What else are we suppose to judge casting on? Besides, they're good indicators of what to expect from an actor, given they've built up a number of roles to begin with.

P.S. I don't think Gisele is hot. Not cause of the jaw, but because of the plain face. :o

[jmc]

I don't get where this type of criticism comes from. I can understand if this came from a Hollywood agent whose job it is to criticize talent, but it baffles me that a poster on the Hype would come up with something like this.

Marion Cotlliard guest starred on Highlander! Not only that but she was HORRIBLE in the role. Now I can forgive her since it seems this was an early role and she has since found her acting chops. But the elitism here really needs to stop. Its like listening to a short fat beer guzzling guy say that Giselle Bundchen isn't hot b/c she has a slightly masculine jaw. What matters is whether the girl can play the role of Selina Kyle notwithstanding her history in tv and/or film.

So only Hollywood agents are aloud to criticize actors?

[Punisher Rising]

Shawnee Smith doesn't even really look THAT much like Selina, certainly not enough to overlook the fact that she can not act her way out of a box.
And what an impressive resume she has. Summer School, The Blob remake and all The Saw movies. That's star power there.


I'd imagine people who looked at Keaton's resume didn't think he'd make a good Batman either based on that, or Heath with his pre-TDK resume. Look how well-received both were when their performances were seen and they were both given a chance at the roles they were given.


Read the Harley Quinn thread. Harley doesn't have to be exactly like her cartoon counter-part to be adapted. There has to be some alteration for her to fit in Nolan's world. You're discounting TDK"s Joker influence, as well. A Harley who follows him is going to be much more psychotic then from Batman:TAS.


Yes but I still don't get a Harley Quinn vibe from Shawnee. Something about her just doesn't click with me as Harley. Catwoman on the other hand she very much has the look and physique for and she has the talent for it, IMO. I think her not being that much of a mainstream star as it is is also a plus in her favor, since it's obvious for a casting director to look up some of the most popular actresses in Hollywood and go "Hey she should be Catwoman, she's famous enough."

[The Major]

But without a constant Joker presence in the story, much less effective, narratively.

She could be a secondary villain like Two Face was.

I don't think it would be a good idea to use HQ unless you were going to recast the Joker and have him be a main villain again.
Just have Joker as a cameo at Arkham. Joker's presence just needs to be felt, not seen to be effective. I agree they would need a recast but the film can work around that by keeping him in shadows, no-one seeing his face and having little screen time.

[Crook]

I'd imagine people who looked at Keaton's resume didn't think he'd make a good Batman either based on that, or Heath with his pre-TDK resume. Look how well-received both were when their performances were seen and they were both given a chance at the roles they were given.
Difference with Keaton and Ledger is that they racked up a number of notable performances before they landed Batman and Joker. So at the very least, we knew there was precedence for great delivery.

[Punisher Rising]

But people doubted Keaton for Batman because of his comedic performances prior and so many fans were upset at the decision to cast him they wrote letters of protest. Look how many of the doubters ended up praising him for his performance in the 1989 movie. Fame or a resume has nothing to do with one's talents for a certain role.

[KalMart]

She could be a secondary villain like Two Face was.
But unlike Two-face, her whole raison d'etre is based on the Joker, and being his assistant/sidekick, not self-sufficient.


Just have Joker as a cameo at Arkham. Joker's presence just needs to be felt, not seen to be effective. I agree they would need a recast but the film can work around that by keeping him shadows, no-one seeing his face and having little screen time.

That's really pushing it just to have HQ in the movie, though...and would call even more attention to the fact that they are trying to work around not having Ledger anymore. You're better off dedicating the screentime/narrative to a whole other villain that won't need another one to define their existence like HQ does.

[Crook]

But people doubted Keaton for Batman because of his comedic performances prior and so many fans were upset at the decision to cast him they wrote letters of protest. Look how many of the doubters ended up praising him for his performance in the 1989 movie. Fame or a resume has nothing to do with one's talents for a certain role.
People were against Keaton because of his physical appearance and fame in comedy. But in spite of such criticism, you couldn't deny he delivered many great performances. In the case of drama, they say the best comedians are actually the best in that genre.

So really, the only thing holding Keaton back was looks. And once he was under that suit, there was nothing to complain about anymore. Look at pics of him with the cowl on to see how much he owned that suit. And evidenced by the trailer premiere which featured very little dialog on Keaton's behalf, the crowd was convinced he could play the role.

Shawnee looks NOTHING like Selina, with or without a mask. Worse, she doesn't have much acting accolades to back her up solely as an actress. There's no comparison here.

[The Major]

But unlike Two-face, her whole raison d'etre is based on the Joker, and being his assistant/sidekick, not self-sufficient.
But she isn't the Joker. He's more suited to a primary villain in a film then her, though I'm sure someone could find out a good way to accomplish it.

Harley can be self sufficient and his assistant simultaneously.
That's really pushing it just to have HQ in the movie, though

It could work, though.

...and would call even more attention to the fact that they are trying to work around not having Ledger anymore.
This is using Ledger's unfortunate passing into an opportunity for another story.

You're better off dedicating the screentime/narrative to a whole other villain that won't need another one to define their existence.
I disagree.

[Punisher Rising]

People were against Keaton because of his physical appearance and fame in comedy. But in spite of such criticism, you couldn't deny he delivered many great performances. In the case of drama, they say the best comedians are actually the best in that genre.

So really, the only thing holding Keaton back was looks. And once he was under that suit, there was nothing to complain about anymore. Look at pics of him with the cowl on to see how much he owned that suit. And evidenced by the trailer premiere which featured very little dialog on Keaton's behalf, the crowd was convinced he could play the role.

Shawnee looks NOTHING like Selina, with or without a mask. Worse, she doesn't have much acting accolades to back her up solely as an actress. There's no comparison here.


I suppose we just have to agree to disagree on the subject. I don't agree with you on Shawnee but I respect your opinion. I just personally feel she not only resembles the character very well (not just expression-wise but also appearance-wise, going by the comparisons posted and other pictures of both I've seen), but she also has the talents to pull the role off and do it well. I think she's a very underrated actress and someone who has potential for a role like Catwoman.

[KalMart]

But she isn't the Joker. He's more suited to a primary villain in a film then her, though I'm sure someone could find out a good way to accomplish it.

Harley can be self sufficient and his assistant simultaneously.
But why, though? Real-estate is precious when it comes to films. Look at all the re-defining/hiding the Joker/narrative excuses/etc. that you'd have to do just to accommodate her, when it's better used for a more leading main villain.

It could work, though.
You could get almost anything to 'work'...but that doesn't mean it'll work well, or ideally. They have a lot of choices that won't take as much difficulty to work even better.

This is using Ledger's unfortunate passing into an opportunity for another story.
Why not use the opportunity for a completely new villain not associated with the Joker? It's a) best for a new story, and b) probably the most respectful thing you can do in regards to Ledger.

I disagree.
Thaht's unfortunate.

[Laderlappen]

I'd imagine people who looked at Keaton's resume didn't think he'd make a good Batman either based on that, or Heath with his pre-TDK resume. Look how well-received both were when their performances were seen and they were both given a chance at the roles they were given.You're kidding right? This chick has made some b-horror movies and a sitcom. Heath Ledger made one of the greatest performances of the decade in one of the best movies of the decade. How the hell can you compare them?! Seriously!!! Even Keaton had a way more impressive resume.

[Punisher Rising]

You're talking about Heath in TDK, right? I agree his performance was one of the best, but he was doubted by many when he was first announced and so was Keaton. Look how praised their performances both were, now people remember them for their roles in their respective Batman films. Their prior pre-Batman work had nothing to do with the reception both got for their performances.

[Laderlappen]

You're talking about Heath in TDK, right? I agree his performance was one of the best, but he was doubted by many when he was first announced and so was Keaton. Look how praised their performances both were, now people remember them for their roles in their respective Batman films. Their prior pre-Batman work had nothing to do with the reception both got for their performances.No.

[Punisher Rising]

I was just emphasizing that a lot of people doubted both Keaton and Heath simply for their work prior to the Batman films they did and weren't certain if they'd be good in their roles. Look how well they were received when the doubters saw them perform.

[Crook]

You're talking about Heath in TDK, right? I agree his performance was one of the best, but he was doubted by many when he was first announced and so was Keaton. Look how praised their performances both were, now people remember them for their roles in their respective Batman films. Their prior pre-Batman work had nothing to do with the reception both got for their performances.
Brokeback Mountain: Ennis Del Mar
Clean and Sober: Daryl Poynter

Great performances by Ledger and Keaton, prior to their iconic roles. Look 'em up. And I'm just naming their most notable. They have several more.

[Johnny Drama]

I'd imagine people who looked at Keaton's resume didn't think he'd make a good Batman either based on that, or Heath with his pre-TDK resume. Look how well-received both were when their performances were seen and they were both given a chance at the roles they were given.


Yes but I still don't get a Harley Quinn vibe from Shawnee. Something about her just doesn't click with me as Harley. Catwoman on the other hand she very much has the look and physique for and she has the talent for it, IMO. I think her not being that much of a mainstream star as it is is also a plus in her favor, since it's obvious for a casting director to look up some of the most popular actresses in Hollywood and go "Hey she should be Catwoman, she's famous enough."

Pre-TDK Heath was still a world renowned actor, appearing in several critically acclaimed Oscar worthy films (Brokeback Mountain, Monsters Ball, Ned Kelly) so that point is irrelevant.
And Keaton carried many movies on his own before Batman.

What the hell has Shawnee Smith done? Really.

[Punisher Rising]

People still didn't think either would be good in their respective roles. Fans feared Keaton would make the role humorous and people felt Heath couldn't do it. That's my point and has been all along.

[Crook]

People still didn't think either would be good in their respective roles. Fans feared Keaton would make the role humorous and people felt Heath couldn't do it. That's my point and has been all along.
You keep focusing on Heath/Keaton. We've given you proof that they had the acting credentials, widely acclaimed. The unknown factor was simply because of a jump in genres. Everyone that were familiar with their previous roles knew of their capability.

Let's shift this to Shawnee. What has she done, specifically?

[Laderlappen]

I was just emphasizing that a lot of people doubted both Keaton and Heath simply for their work prior to the Batman films they did and weren't certain if they'd be good in their roles. Look how well they were received when the doubters saw them perform.The majority of the Heath doubt was for stupid reasons. Heath pre-2008 was like Leonardo DiCaprio pre-2002. People didnt like him because he was goodlooking, his fangirls, and the kinds of movie he has done. He had proven the talent and he looked like the character.

[Punisher Rising]

You keep focusing on Heath/Keaton. We've given you proof that they had the acting credentials, widely acclaimed. The unknown factor was simply because of a jump in genres. Everyone that were familiar with their previous roles knew of their capability.

Let's shift this to Shawnee. What has she done, specifically?


I'm well-aware of the acting credentials Heath and Keaton had before they played their Batman roles, the reason I keep bringing it up was because Shawnee is being met with very much the same skepticism and doubt they both were at the time. Both were credible actors, but fans doubted they could be Batman and The Joker based on their work and looks. That is why I keep bringing it up (and am quite tired of doing so by now).

I don't believe fame should be a factor in one's talents or candidacy for a role, but Shawnee can act. She can play a villain well going by her performances in The Stand and the Saw movies (particularly Saw III, a film I found terrible but her performance was a big bright spot in it and deserved to be in a better film), can handle emotional roles well and in addition to looking like the character she also has the right physique and the perfect voice for her. Not to mention any role she's given she takes seriously and does the necessary research for (she actually did research on cutters and emotionally disturbed people prior to filming Saw III so her performance would be more believable and emotional). If offered Catwoman, I don't doubt she'd fully commit herself to the role and do the necessary research by reading the comics to faithfully portray the character.

[Johnny Drama]

You seem to be missing the biggest point of all, which is Shawnee CAN NOT ACT.

[Jack Bauer]

Jeez, I know it was only a suggestion in her being the someone that plays Catwoman, but it doesn't mean said person will actually play them.

[Punisher Rising]

You seem to be missing the biggest point of all, which is Shawnee CAN NOT ACT.


Which is purely a matter of personal opinion.

[batboy99]

Never seen Shawnee act ouitside of the ****** Saw movies, so I cant judge her.

[Jack Bauer]

To Punisher Begins: If that was the case then lots of actors/actresses would be out of work because someone's personal opinion regarding said actor or actress.

To batboy99: Have you watched The Stand?

[batboy99]

I have not.

[Jack Bauer]

See it, it's good and it's out on DVD. IIRC, in it she playing a psychotic temptress.

[batboy99]

Ill look it up, thanks!

[Johnny Drama]

Which is purely a matter of personal opinion.


Ok, in you opinion, give me just ONE example of a performance she has given that deems her worthy of being onscreen with the likes of Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman??
Just one, that's all I ask.

[Punisher Rising]

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Saw%20III/snapshot20070826160055.png


I definitely get a strong Catwoman flare from her in that scene from the film (Saw III). It's my opinion she'd be perfect for the role and would bring her to life.


Ok, in you opinion, give me just ONE example of a performance she has given that deems her worthy of being onscreen with the likes of Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman??
Just one, that's all I ask.


I've already mentioned so, and you're going by the cast members of the current series to determine if Shawnee deserves to be among them in the films? Not the best of casting decisions one can make. Fame or one's resume has nothing to do with talent and shouldn't.

[Jack Bauer]

If this was Jolie, Weisz, or Beckinsale there would be no problem because there big name actresses, but the fact someone who was mention that wasn't really known but still has a good fan base is troubling. It doesn't matter still because Nolan and Goylar probably characters not seen on film or fit the style of the film they're going for. Catwoman could be a minor character with little screen time for all we know while someone like Riddler or possibly Two-Face or Scarecrow could be other villains in the plot.

[Punisher Rising]

Bale wasn't an A-list star prior to BB either, and most fans agree he did the role justice. One's fame has nothing to do with their talents or acting ability.

[Johnny Drama]

since you just stepped around the question without actually answering it, I will ask you again:
In your opinion, give me just ONE example of a performance she has given that deems her worthy of being onscreen with the likes of Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman??

In her extremley long career she has done MANY movies, so why can't you name just one perfromance??

[Crook]

Bale wasn't an A-list star prior to BB either, and most fans agree he did the role justice. One's fame has nothing to do with their talents or acting ability.

No one has said a thing about Shawnee being famous or not. You're the only one bringing it up. :huh:

I frankly don't give a damn about fame. Which is why I had no problem backing Bale back in 02-03. He had damn good performances under his belt. Look and filmography are my only qualifications.

[Laderlappen]

Yeah I dont think anybody has used fame as a reason or even mentioned it. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Here's a question. Has she ever done any performance you think was deserving an oscar nomination? Directed to all Shawnee Smith fans.

[Punisher Rising]

I keep bringing it up because you all keep dragging out the argument of one's resume or past work for their acting credentials. One's work or fame has nothing to do with how talented they actually are.

And Johnny, to answer the question, her performance in Saw III is very good and going by her mannerisms and expressions and her physicality (not to mention voice and appearance), I reckon she'd make a solid Catwoman.

[Crook]

I keep bringing it up because you all keep dragging out the argument of one's resume or past work for their acting credentials. One's work or fame has nothing to do with how talented they actually are.
Interesting.

And Johnny, to answer the question, her performance in Saw III is very good and going by her mannerisms and expressions and her physicality (not to mention voice and appearance), I reckon she'd make a solid Catwoman.
*cough*

"One's work has nothing to do with how talented they actually are."

:yay:

[Johnny Drama]

Zing!

[Punisher Rising]

Only because you guys keep dragging out the argument to death. You guys seem to think an actor has to be in an Oscar-nominated film to qualify for a role or they need to work with A-list stars to qualify.

For the record, I don't think Shawnee is the only good choice for Catwoman. There's others I think could pull it off well, Shawnee just happens to be my top pick above all and for reasons stated before.

[Laderlappen]

I keep bringing it up because you all keep dragging out the argument of one's resume or past work for their acting credentials. One's work or fame has nothing to do with how talented they actually are.

And Johnny, to answer the question, her performance in Saw III is very good and going by her mannerisms and expressions and her physicality (not to mention voice and appearance), I reckon she'd make a solid Catwoman.When we talk about resume and past work, we're talking about their roles and performances. Not their movies. Do you think we're all die-hard fans of La Vie En Rose?

[Johnny Drama]

For the record, I don't think Shawnee is the only good choice for Catwoman. There's others I think could pull it off well, Shawnee just happens to be my top pick above all and for reasons stated before.




I am still unclear as to your reasons.

But welcome to The Hype. No better indroduction than making lame casting suggestions on the Bat-boards. Trial by fire...

[Punisher Rising]

Whatever. I'm done debating this with you three, since it's obvious you guys just want to get the final word on the subject. I've given my reasons and that is that. Now let this thread resume with it's original purpose.

[Johnny Drama]

Isn't this...it's original purpose?

[Punisher Rising]

Except it pretty much became the Debate Why Shawnee Smith Is a Poor Choice For Catwoman Thread, not the Catwoman Casting Thread. People should post who they feel is right for the role, not what others tell them to think.

[Johnny Drama]

If read the 300+ pages you will find that there have been worse suggestions than Smith,
No one is singleing you out.

[Jack Bauer]

Listen Shawnee or not, it all depends if Nolan and Goylar will use Catwoman, it might be a long time until she's used again.

[Laderlappen]

Yeah we're only debating a little. Its nothing personal
You mentioned SawIII before. Would you consider giving her an oscar nomination for that role if it was up to you?

[Johnny Drama]

Listen Shawnee or not, it all depends if Nolan and Goylar will use Catwoman, it might be a long time until she's used again.


As I have said before, maybe she might not be used, but this is just speculation. Just for fun. If we went by info we already had accessible there would be NO threads related to this sequel.

And who in the cold blue hell is Goylar??

[Jack Bauer]

My way of saying Goyer, also I don't have the best memory in terms of spelling or could be I don't want write Goyer.

*shrugs*

[Punisher Rising]

Yeah we're only debating a little. Its nothing personal
You mentioned SawIII before. Would you consider giving her an oscar nomination for that role if it was up to you?


I never said that, I said she gave a good performance in that film and one that's good enough to have her as a candidate for Catwoman. She's very versatile with her performances.

[Johnny Drama]

Anywho, this horse was dead pages ago.

You like Shawnee, we don't. Moving on...

[Alex Logan]

Alex, no offense man, but does your signature have to be THAT big? It's very abrassive...

Yes! It must be that big and it must stay just like that until it's known to the WORLD that Christian MOTHER ****ING Bale wil be Batman in Batman 3. :woot:

Johnny, no offense man, but does you signature have to be THAT incorrect? It's very deprecatory...

Yes.. thanks.

[Alex Logan]

You seem to be missing the biggest point of all, which is Shawnee CAN NOT ACT.

AND... she's not pretty. :cwink:

[Johnny Drama]

Well thats a fact...

[Punisher Rising]

Opinions, not facts.

[Johnny Drama]

suuuuure...

[Punisher Rising]

I can easily insult actresses you guys think are better choices by saying "she's ugly, she can't act," etc. but I don't and I know that what I say isn't factual, it's an opinion. Just like you not liking Shawnee or thinking she has talent.

[Crook]

The great thing about opinions is they become closer and closer to fact, with the majority vote behind them.

[Punisher Rising]

So facts are determined based on how popular opinions are among people? :whatever:

[Johnny Drama]

Exactly.

Example: Batman and Robin sucked. Fact.

[Laderlappen]

I never said that, I said she gave a good performance in that film and one that's good enough to have her as a candidate for Catwoman. She's very versatile with her performances.Then you're aiming low Punisher. If you wouldnt even consider nominate an actress for what you personally consider being her best role, you're aiming low. And if you wouldnt even consider nominating her best work, then she cant possibly be the best choice in your opinion.

[Crook]

So facts are determined based on how popular opinions are among people? :whatever:
I never said they were facts, please read. I said they become and closer to a fact (w/o becoming one) when there is large vocal support, rather than just a random subjective opinion of a few.

Case in point, how "beautiful" an actress is. Let's go with Marilyn Monroe. Now, obviously, beauty will always be subjective by nature. But you will find a very small minority of people who will honestly say Marilyn is plain-faced or ugly. On the other hand, most will unequivocally say Marilyn is gorgeous and pure sex. Large vote behind that opinion. Yet, most will take it as fact.

[Punisher Rising]

I'm of the majority who thinks Batman & Robin is terrible, but my opinion isn't a fact, it's just that, an opinion. No more than some of you who don't like some peoples' casting suggestions. Some of you are really getting desperate and jumping to conclusions with some of what you're saying. Casting isn't a popularity contest.

Leper, I don't even know what to say about that. So a performance has to be Oscar-caliber to be considered good? :whatever:

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm of the majority who thinks Batman & Robin is terrible, but my opinion isn't a fact, it's just that, an opinion. No more than some of you who don't like some peoples' casting suggestions. Some of you are really getting desperate and jumping to conclusions with some of what you're saying. Casting isn't a popularity contest.

Leper, I don't even know what to say about that. So a performance has to be Oscar-caliber to be considered good?

It was in the Schumacher movies. :down

[Punisher Rising]

Which is what the makers of the new series are looking to avoid and wisely so.

[Cunning Stunts]

Which is what the makers of the new series are looking to avoid and wisely so.

Eva Green for Catwoman. :up:

[Punisher Rising]

Not a bad choice, but I'll still push for Shawnee in the role anyday.

[Cunning Stunts]

Not a bad choice, but I'll still push for Shawnee in the role anyday.

:down

[Johnny Drama]

Lmao.

[Punisher Rising]

Is there any respect for difference of opinion here? Doesn't seem so.

[Laderlappen]

Leper, I don't even know what to say about that. So a performance has to be Oscar-caliber to be considered good? :whatever:No but like I said it means you're aiming low. There are many actresses in hollywood that is that great. Why not pick a fantastic actress instead of one that is just ok? Every single actor an actress in this franchise is on that level. Even some with smaller roles.
Leper?

[elgato]

Those first pics make her look more like an alien from Star Trek.

Well...if you say so =/...I see more something like a sexy black cat ;)

[Punisher Rising]

No but like I said it means you're aiming low. There are many actresses in hollywood that is that great. Why not pick a fantastic actress instead of one that is just ok? Every single actor an actress in this franchise is on that level. Even some with smaller roles.
Leper?


Sorry I misspelled your name, got confused with the spelling for a second. Anyway, like I said there's plenty of other actresses I think could do Catwoman well, it's just my personal opinion Shawnee would be best. I don't see her as Harley Quinn, just doesn't have the aspect to her that makes me see her as Harley. To me she's a good fit for Catwoman. I'll admit she may not be the *best* choice for the role, but I do think she is a very good one.

Cunning, I edited the post as you can see. There's no reason to be extremely rude to someone who disagrees with you.

[Jack Bauer]

All right, slow down everyone. No need to fight about it, then again why would we all fight about someone's pick? It's not like it's in the works or anything.

[Punisher Rising]

All right, slow down everyone. No need to fight about it, then again why would we all fight about someone's pick? It's not like it's in the works or anything.


Thank you.

Seriously, we all have opinions and we may not always agree but an opinion is an opinion and we're all entitled to it.

[Johnny Drama]

You know what sucks worse than Shawnee Smith?

Eva Green.

Who wants that??

[Cunning Stunts]

Me. And The Ace of Knaves.

[Jack Bauer]

Eva would be a good one, but she looks more like Ra's daughter.

[Cunning Stunts]

Just let me send you her n00d videos from The Dreamers. That's how I converted Ace.

[Johnny Drama]

Send them then. NOW.

[Laderlappen]

Sorry I misspelled your name, got confused with the spelling for a second. Anyway, like I said there's plenty of other actresses I think could do Catwoman well, it's just my personal opinion Shawnee would be best. I don't see her as Harley Quinn, just doesn't have the aspect to her that makes me see her as Harley. To me she's a good fit for Catwoman. I'll admit she may not be the *best* choice for the role, but I do think she is a very good one.

Cunning, I edited the post as you can see. There's no reason to be extremely rude to someone who disagrees with you.It doesnt make any sense though. You just said that you wouldnt nominate her for anything. You even said you wouldnt even CONSIDER nominating her for anything. That means in your opinion she's never in the top10 of the year. That means that in the list of actresses(right or not right for Cats) she's very far down on that list. That means in your opinion there's alot of better actresses. How can she then be the best possibly choice? It doesnt make any sense.
You also first says she's the best then later not the best. What do you really mean?

[Punisher Rising]

Ugh, I'm so tired of this already. Oscar-worthy or not, just get a *good* actress in the role. That is all.

[Alex Logan]

Is there any respect for difference of opinion here? Doesn't seem so.

No, I'm sad to say there's not. There are only a FEW people here that will disagree with your opinion and still give you respect. As you may have guess I'm one of them. :cwink:

Funny, I've never insulted anyone in this thread and yet you guys think it's okay to do so.

This is par for course my friend. You either deal with it and stay or you move on.

[Punisher Rising]

No, I'm sad to say there's not. There are only a FEW people here that will disagree with your opinion and still give you respect. As you may have guess I'm one of them. :cwink:


Cheers to you and others like you http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/party/beerchug.gif

BTW (and slightly off-topic), where's the introduction thread on this board? I've been a lurker here for a while and actually had another account but I never got the activation e-mail (or deleted it by mistake), so I had to create this one.

[Alex Logan]

Cheers to you and others like you http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/party/beerchug.gif

BTW (and slightly off-topic), where's the introduction thread on this board? I've been a lurker here for a while and actually had another account but I never got the activation e-mail (or deleted it by mistake), so I had to create this one.

Thank you for the beer and cheers to you as well.

I don't know if there is one, check the SHH board.

[Punisher Rising]

I looked, can't seem to find one :/

Oh well, it's cool to be here and I'll post as much as I can when I can. I'm occupied with a lot in both my online and personal lives, but I'll interact here whenever possible. Been meaning to join a comic forum for a while.

[Alex Logan]

I looked, can't seem to find one :/

Oh well, it's cool to be here and I'll post as much as I can when I can. I'm occupied with a lot in both my online and personal lives, but I'll interact here whenever possible. Been meaning to join a comic forum for a while.

Sweet, good ta ave ya mate! :cwink:

[Punisher Rising]

Thanks, I look forward to posting here.

[Alex Logan]

Thanks, I look forward to posting here.

You're welcome.

[C. Lee]

Let's try not to have useless arguing around here guys....there are plenty of useful things to argue about elsewhere.

[Cunning Stunts]

Send them then. NOW.

I'll try to find them tomorrow night. The g/f might get mad if I look up boobies on her laptop.

[KalMart]

Bring back Halle Berry. :up:

[az824]

after Michelle, how can any one cast Shawnee (sp?) as Catwoman. That woman is sooo plain, she's broderline ugly. seriously, i know its opinion but after pages and pages of hot, hot women how can anyone still think shawnee's even slightly pretty?

i guess its opinion, but here's mine:

Winona is Selina :cwink:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/images/winonaryder.jpg
http://www.fresnobeehive.com/archives/upload/2007/07/ryder-winona-photo-xl-winona-ryder-6221724.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Winona-Ryder_1.png
http://www.suburbia.com.au/%7Ekeene/Costumes/oscarbig.jpg
http://starophileimages.free.fr/wallpapers/winona_ryder_003.jpg

she's like the prefect mix of all beautiful actresses, she looks like Marion, Audrey Hepburn, Kiera K, and others. and she's very talented. :cwink:

[KalMart]

Another thing is.....which Selina Kyle would we be casting for? The sophisticated socialite like in the animated series, or the hooker from the slums like in 'Year One'?

Or are we just looking for someone to fill out the suit?

[Laderlappen]

Its equally if not more important to find someone that can pull off Selina than Catwoman. Im really against it being the Y1 version.

Catwoman ro not, I REALLY want Winona to have a comeback. Many thinks her youth is necassary for her, but I think she was a great actress.

[The Major]

Eva would be a good one, but she looks more like Ra's daughter.
Eva would make a good actress for either role.

[The Major]

Bring back Halle Berry. :up:
:facepalm

[Two-Face]

after Michelle, how can any one cast Shawnee (sp?) as Catwoman. That woman is sooo plain, she's broderline ugly. seriously, i know its opinion but after pages and pages of hot, hot women how can anyone still think shawnee's even slightly pretty?

i guess its opinion, but here's mine:

Winona is Selina :cwink:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/images/winonaryder.jpg
http://www.fresnobeehive.com/archives/upload/2007/07/ryder-winona-photo-xl-winona-ryder-6221724.jpg
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Winona-Ryder_1.png
http://www.suburbia.com.au/%7Ekeene/Costumes/oscarbig.jpg
http://starophileimages.free.fr/wallpapers/winona_ryder_003.jpg

she's like the prefect mix of all beautiful actresses, she looks like Marion, Audrey Hepburn, Kiera K, and others. and she's very talented. :cwink:


You and Ace have something in common.


I don't see her as Selina ever, just cos she worked with Bale it doesn't mean she's suited Catwoman role.

[Laderlappen]

:huh: He didnt even mention Bale.

[Two-Face]

:huh: He didnt even mention Bale.


I wasn't just replying to him, to the people who want her and said she worked with Bale before would have great chemistry .:whatever::huh:

[Laderlappen]

Oh ok.
:funny: Poor Bale.

[WeaponXProject]

Its equally if not more important to find someone that can pull off Selina than Catwoman. Im really against it being the Y1 version.

Catwoman ro not, I REALLY want Winona to have a comeback. Many thinks her youth is necassary for her, but I think she was a great actress.


Ditto...this would be a huge comeback.

To be truthful, even if she doesn't get this role I think she will make it back in Hollywood soon enough...

[Majik1387]

You and Ace have something in common.


I don't see her as Selina ever, just cos she worked with Bale it doesn't mean she's suited Catwoman role.
But she does have Catwoman qualities...
:huh: He didnt even mention Bale.
I wasn't just replying to him, to the people who want her and said she worked with Bale before would have great chemistry .:whatever::huh:
Well, that's just a bonus. There isn't any other actress that has had onscreen chemistry with him.

[Two-Face]

Sorry I disagree.

[Batmania]

Well, that's just a bonus. There isn't any other actress that has had onscreen chemistry with him.
Disagree. I think his best chemistry has been with Emily Watson (in Equilibrium and Metroland). Unfortunately I don't see her being cast as Catwoman.

[namtaB]

Well, that's just a bonus. There isn't any other actress that has had onscreen chemistry with him.

Agreed. Bale's a little bit of an over hyped actor. He plays dark, broody characters exceptionally well even better than anyone else I've seen. But that's it. He has no range. The dark characters he plays don't gel well with female leads. He falls short of someone like Depp who can play anything from the undercover cop to the effiminate pirate to the cerebral bookstore owner.

[Johnny Drama]

Bale has no range.

Wow.

[namtaB]

Its true. Any role he's had as an adult that's not been a dark brooding character has been utterly forgettable. Captain Corelli's Mandellin, Laurel Canyon, even when he played Jesus he was forgettable. For some reason he just can't play anything beyond the dark/obsessive/tortured character, particularly well. I don't know what you call that but I call it having no range. However, he plays these dark characters better than anyone I've seen. I'm not taking anything away from that. I'm just saying he doesn't have the range or versatility of Gary Oldman or Johnny Depp.

[Cunning Stunts]

I love the people who develop opinions just to stir **** up.

They make this board so much fun. :up:

[Ace of Knaves]

Winona is still my No.1 choice, sorry Stunts :D

Those pictures on the last pages cement that opinion :up:

[KalMart]

Its true. Any role he's had as an adult that's not been a dark brooding character has been utterly forgettable. Captain Corelli's Mandellin, Laurel Canyon, even when he played Jesus he was forgettable. For some reason he just can't play anything beyond the dark/obsessive/tortured character, particularly well. I don't know what you call that but I call it having no range. However, he plays these dark characters better than anyone I've seen. I'm not taking anything away from that. I'm just saying he doesn't have the range or versatility of Gary Oldman or Johnny Depp.
What was the last really impressive dramatic role by any actor that wasn't dark, brooding, mentally challenged, or gay?

[Cunning Stunts]

Winona is still my No.1 choice, sorry Stunts :D

Those pictures on the last pages cement that opinion :up:

TRAITOR!

Oh well. We all suck. Cotillard's probably gonna get it.

[Adrian89]

I don't see her as Selina ever, just cos she worked with Bale it doesn't mean she's suited Catwoman role.
It pisses me off when that happens, people always tend to do that.

And I agree, I don't see her as Selina either. But I must admit, I've seen worse choices around here.

after Michelle, how can any one cast Shawnee (sp?) as Catwoman. That woman is sooo plain, she's broderline ugly. seriously, i know its opinion but after pages and pages of hot, hot women how can anyone still think shawnee's even slightly pretty?

i guess its opinion
On this I agree with you. I've seen some slightly awful choices for Catwoman on this Forum and it's a good thing they don't ask the fans when they cast someone.:oldrazz:

Bring back Halle Berry.
lmao. Dream on.:rolleyes:

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but it's not just because she worked with Bale. It's because she is like the only actress EVER to have a decent chemistry with him.

And she is a great actress regardless. She can be sexy, manipulative, caring, vulnerable and even pretty unhinged as seen in her previous roles.

She has the look, with those gorgeous big cat like eyes. Beautiful smile, great body. She just ticks all the boxes for me.

[namtaB]

What was the last really impressive dramatic role by any actor that wasn't dark, brooding, mentally challenged, or gay?

That has nothing to do with my point which is that Bale has no range. I conceded that Bale plays dark/obsessive/tortured roles exceptionally well, better than most other actors. He is the go to guy for those roles. Can you imagine Bale as Captain Jack Sparrow? I can definitely see Gary Oldman playing Jack Sparrow. See what I mean? One has no range, the other does.

[WeaponXProject]

That has nothing to do with my point which is that Bale has no range. I conceded that Bale plays dark/obsessive/tortured roles exceptionally well, better than most other actors. He is the go to guy for those roles. Can you imagine Bale as Captain Jack Sparrow? I can definitely see Gary Oldman playing Jack Sparrow. See what I mean? One has no range, the other does.

I think he showed range in a few of his movies. Most noteably American Psycho, Rescue Dawn and the Machinist.

Comparing him to one of the finest actors I have ever watched, Gary Oldman, is not a fair comparison, IMO.

[Brian Braddock]

Absolutely;

The movie version of American Psycho is basically a black comedy. As well as showing us the downright evil and narcissistic side of Bateman - Bale also showed a fair comedic ability.

He doesnt just have 'dark and brooding' in his locker.

[namtaB]

I think he showed range in a few of his movies. Most noteably American Psycho, Rescue Dawn and the Machinist.

Comparing him to one of the finest actors I have ever watched, Gary Oldman, is not a fair comparison, IMO.

By range I mean the ability to play anything not just various degrees of dark/brooding/tortured. I agree with your last statement though, I'm not saying Bale is a bad actor just a notch below Depp and Oldman. For instance in the Public Enemies trailers I saw John Dillinger and Christian Bale playing Melvin Purvis.

I think this is the main reason why Bale doesn't really have chemistry with his female co stars. His emphasis on dark/brooding/tortured makes the characters he plays very isolated almost incapable of love. He has a Yul Brynner intensity that overpowers everyone else he's acting with. I think this works perfectly for Batman. Selina being the highly sexually charged one and Wayne being stoic and cold.

PS. Yes, I know these are all my opinions. Its ridiculous to make a post stating that when its an obvious conclusion. KTHXBYE.

[draculoid]

Its true. Any role he's had as an adult that's not been a dark brooding character has been utterly forgettable. Captain Corelli's Mandellin, Laurel Canyon, even when he played Jesus he was forgettable. For some reason he just can't play anything beyond the dark/obsessive/tortured character, particularly well. I don't know what you call that but I call it having no range. However, he plays these dark characters better than anyone I've seen. I'm not taking anything away from that. I'm just saying he doesn't have the range or versatility of Gary Oldman or Johnny Depp.

johnny depp and to some extent gary oldman, are good at playing broad caricatures. don't get me wrong, i love the work of both actors, but i don't think the sort of over the top, surreal parts they play qualify as range. daniel day-lewis has range. depp always plays the same guy when he's a "normal" character. in every other role he pushes towards cartoony- even when he's playing real people like ed wood or hunter s. thompson. i don't mind that style at all and i'm amazed at some of the things that depp is inspired by: like ventiloquist dummies for ed wood, keith richards for jack sparrow.

edward scissorhands
ichabod crane
willy wonka
etc...

there are exceptions, such as when he played sir james barrie, but i don't even think that would be a very good example of range.

[The Major]

Piper Perabo. Her role in Lost and Delirious convinced me she'd make a good Selina.

[Johnny Drama]

Haven't seen her on either, but from what I have seen from her I am not really convinced...

[The Major]

Haven't seen her on either, but from what I have seen from her I am not really convinced...
Lost and Delirious is a movie. :word:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245238/

I would have agreed with you before I saw this movie. Perabo is amazing in this. When I saw parts of this years ago I had no idea she was Pauline. She was unrecognizable. That's how good she was. She should do more indy stuff like this IMO. I highly recommend the movie. It's excellent.

[KalMart]

That has nothing to do with my point which is that Bale has no range. I conceded that Bale plays dark/obsessive/tortured roles exceptionally well, better than most other actors. He is the go to guy for those roles. Can you imagine Bale as Captain Jack Sparrow? I can definitely see Gary Oldman playing Jack Sparrow. See what I mean? One has no range, the other does.
How much more range are you looking for from him in a Batman story?


As far as chemistry goes, he's still got a long (and dark, apparently) career ahead of him.

[namtaB]

How much more range are you looking for from him in a Batman story?


As far as chemistry goes, he's still got a long (and dark, apparently) career ahead of him.

Honestly, I don't think he can pull off chemistry with Selina notwithstanding whoever is cast as Catwoman. He couldn't pull chemistry with either of the Rachel Dawes. True Holmes is a lesser actress, but even with Maggie who is a superior actress their relationship lacked any passion. But this applies to all of Bale's romantic interests in other films. So I wouldn't expect to see that element of Selina and Bruce's relationship being portrayed on screen. That may not even be what Nolan is going after at all. But if it is, I hope Bale proves me wrong and pulls it off. I'm curious to see how the John/Kate Connor relationship plays out in Salvation.

[WeaponXProject]

By range I mean the ability to play anything not just various degrees of dark/brooding/tortured. I agree with your last statement though, I'm not saying Bale is a bad actor just a notch below Depp and Oldman. For instance in the Public Enemies trailers I saw John Dillinger and Christian Bale playing Melvin Purvis.

I think this is the main reason why Bale doesn't really have chemistry with his female co stars. His emphasis on dark/brooding/tortured makes the characters he plays very isolated almost incapable of love. He has a Yul Brynner intensity that overpowers everyone else he's acting with. I think this works perfectly for Batman. Selina being the highly sexually charged one and Wayne being stoic and cold.

PS. Yes, I know these are all my opinions. Its ridiculous to make a post stating that when its an obvious conclusion. KTHXBYE.


I think you are judging him on some characters that are flat to an extent. The fact that he isn't always playing an eccentric character doesn't mean he can't play a certain character. He gets cast as the everyman/hero alot. He hasn't played many roles like Oldman and Depp. They have played many villainous/eccentric/mentally unstable characters. John Connor, Bruce Wayne, his character in 3:10 to Yuma, all those characters you kind of understand once you see them. They have one motive/goal and the audience gets that. There's nothing wrong with that it's just that he is popular amongst Hollywood when it comes to playing the leading man. He hasn't recently played a role where he gets to do things like Depp, Oldman and other wide range actors but American Psycho alone should let you know he has range.

[namtaB]

I think you are judging him on some characters that are flat to an extent. The fact that he isn't always playing an eccentric character doesn't mean he can't play a certain character. He gets cast as the everyman/hero alot. He hasn't played many roles like Oldman and Depp. They have played many villainous/eccentric/mentally unstable characters. John Connor, Bruce Wayne, his character in 3:10 to Yuma, all those characters you kind of understand once you see them. They have one motive/goal and the audience gets that. There's nothing wrong with that it's just that he is popular amongst Hollywood when it comes to playing the leading man. He hasn't recently played a role where he gets to do things like Depp, Oldman and other wide range actors but American Psycho alone should let you know he has range.

"I see" said the blind man. "You're a liar" said the dumb man and the man without legs walked away in disgust.

[Farfarello]

Noni Attacks !!!

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2162/catwomanwallpaper2.jpg

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8229/catwoman70.jpg

[batboy99]

Im starting to think Ryder is one of the best choices for the role.

[WeaponXProject]

"I see" said the blind man. "You're a liar" said the dumb man and the man without legs walked away in disgust.


Something's wrong with you man, if you live in a world where Nic Cage is currently a good actor to you and Bale doesn't have range then there is no riddle to it. You're an artard.:oldrazz:

[draculoid]

Im starting to think Ryder is one of the best choices for the role.

search your feelings. you know it to be true!

[namtaB]

Sarah Shahi

http://images.askmen.com/photos/sarah-shahi/84065.jpg

[Laderlappen]

Noni Attacks !!!

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2162/catwomanwallpaper2.jpg

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8229/catwoman70.jpgNow I have something to do for the next 10 minutes. Thanks man. :up:

[Marx]

Winona Ryder as Catwoman? That's interesting.

[Farfarello]

Sarah Shahi

http://images.askmen.com/photos/sarah-shahi/84065.jpg


For a jokerized Selina maybe... :cwink:

[Cunning Stunts]

"I see" said the blind man. "You're a liar" said the dumb man and the man without legs walked away in disgust.

And "You're clueless" said the rest of us about you, buddy. There's a reason Christian Bale's hot in Hollywood right now. He's a great actor with a broad range. He's not as broad as Depp, Oldman, Cheadle, etc., but the guy's got range.

Having range doesn't necessarily make you a bad actor either. Just a limited one.

And I have to find some issue with draculoid saying Depp and Oldman don't have "range." Depp EASILY has the most technical prowess to his acting that I've seen in recent years, and Oldman is not far behind at all. Just because they play goofy characters doesn't mean it doesn't qualify as range or a "good performance." You know how hard it is to make goofy or over-the-top characters still seem lifelike and real? Or even make them fit into a movie's given universe? Not that easy, AT ALL. Most mediocre actors who play goofy or over-the-top characters will come off as just that, goofy, and you can tell they're acting.

Actors like Depp and Oldman get lost in their respective roles, and so well so that you only remember who you're watching because you know their faces.

[Johnny Drama]

And "You're clueless" said the rest of us about you, buddy. There's a reason Christian Bale's hot in Hollywood right now. He's a great actor with a broad range. He's not as broad as Depp, Oldman, Cheadle, etc., but the guy's got range.

Having range doesn't necessarily make you a bad actor either. Just a limited one.

And I have to find some issue with draculoid saying Depp and Oldman don't have "range." Depp EASILY has the most technical prowess to his acting that I've seen in recent years, and Oldman is not far behind at all. Just because they play goofy characters doesn't mean it doesn't qualify as range or a "good performance." You know how hard it is to make goofy or over-the-top characters still seem lifelike and real? Or even make them fit into a movie's given universe? Not that easy, AT ALL. Most mediocre actors who play goofy or over-the-top characters will come off as just that, goofy, and you can tell they're acting.

Actors like Depp and Oldman get lost in their respective roles, and so well so that you only remember who you're watching because you know their faces.



QFT


:batty:

[batlovescatDC]

Holy shi*! Ryder would be fuc*ing awesome! I can't believe that I didn't think of her before. Have ya'll heard though that Marion Cottillard has been cast in Nolan's upcoming film INCEPTION? I would say that would make her a pretty top contender in Nolan's eyes. But then again I thought the same thing when cast Johansson in The Prestige.

[batboy99]

Cotillard has been a fan favorite here for more than a year over here.

[Nina7]

When Bale plays characters who are truly in love/enamored with his female partners, he has plenty of chemistry with them. Examples: Winona Ryder in Little Women, Emily Watson and that French chic (sorry, can't remember her name) in Metroland, Emily Watson again in Equlibrium, Natasha McElhone in Laurel Canyon (their car scene was beyond hot), Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Machinist(yeah, he was a skeleton, but I still thought they were great together), Q'Orianka Kilcher in The New World (even if she was only 14 when she filmed it). Honestly, this whole "Bale has no chemistry with his leading ladies" is seriously overblown.

Edited to add Rebecca Hall in The Prestige. I thought they were very natural together. I would love to see them together again in another movie.

[Johnny Drama]

When Bale plays characters who are truly in love/enamored with his female partners, he has plenty of chemistry with them. Examples: Winona Ryder in Little Women, Emily Watson and that French chic (sorry, can't remember her name) in Metroland, Emily Watson again in Equlibrium, Natasha McElhone in Laurel Canyon (their car scene was beyond hot), Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Machinist(yeah, he was a skeleton, but I still thought they were great together), Q'Orianka Kilcher in The New World (even if she was only 14 when she filmed it). Honestly, this whole "Bale has no chemistry with his leading ladies" is seriously overblown.

Edited to add Rebecca Hall in The Prestige. I thought they were very natural together. I would love to see them together again in another movie.


Good job explaining what I have said many times before. It's as if people only judge it on American Psycho, BB and TDK.
A big one that bothers me is when people talk about the lack of chemistry between Bale and Beckinsale in Laurel Canon.
No ****ing duh, if you actually understood the movie you would no they aren't supposed to have the epic Benny and June love affair. They are not right for eachother, she ****s his mom for christ sake.

[Ace of Knaves]

Noni Attacks !!!

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2162/catwomanwallpaper2.jpg

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8229/catwoman70.jpg

YES!!! Great manips man. Ryder would be great as Selina/Catwoman.

Hmmm...who first brought her up? HAHAHA it was me, it was me!! :hehe:

[july]

Winona Ryder isn't sophisticated enough to be Catwoman. She comes across as a young simpleton- theres no depth or mystery about her. Its a trait that is common with most American actresses between the age of 25 to 35- they just lack sophistication, for example Natalie Portman is in her mid to late twenties but she still comes across as high school or college student. Eva Green is around Portmans age, yet she can play opposite Daniel Craig, who's well over ten years her senior, because she is a sexy sophisticated woman. Lea Seydoux is another young (23 year-old) French actress who could be a sexy and charismatic catwoman.

[Ace of Knaves]

Winona has a lot of depth and has played many different roles in her time. Maybe in her recent roles such as Mr Deeds she might come off as a simpleton.

But I suggest you check out "Heathers" for her wicked, manipulative, crazy side. And "Little Women" displays her vulnerable and loving side. That's just two brief examples of her range. She was brilliant in both of them films.

I dunno how you can say she isn't sophisticated enough, maybe you should watch more of her movies.

[Alex Logan]

Good job explaining what I have said many times before. It's as if people only judge it on American Psycho, BB and TDK.

A big one that bothers me is when people talk about the lack of chemistry between Bale and Beckinsale in Laurel Canon.

No ****ing duh, if you actually understood the movie you would no they aren't supposed to have the epic Benny and June love affair. They are not right for eachother, she ****s his mom for christ sake.

Holly ****! We agree on something for once. :up::up:

Winona Ryder isn't sophisticated enough to be Catwoman. She comes across as a young simpleton- theres no depth or mystery about her. Its a trait that is common with most American actresses between the age of 25 to 35- they just lack sophistication, for example Natalie Portman is in her mid to late twenties but she still comes across as high school or college student. Eva Green is around Portmans age, yet she can play opposite Daniel Craig, who's well over ten years her senior, because she is a sexy sophisticated woman. Lea Seydoux is another young (23 year-old) French actress who could be a sexy and charismatic catwoman.

Agreed.

[july]

Winona has a lot of depth and has played many different roles in her time. Maybe in her recent roles such as Mr Deeds she might come off as a simpleton.

But I suggest you check out "Heathers" for her wicked, manipulative, crazy side. And "Little Women" displays her vulnerable and loving side. That's just two brief examples of her range. She was brilliant in both of them films.

I dunno how you can say she isn't sophisticated enough, maybe you should watch more of her movies.

Heathers is one of the best black comedies of all time. Ryder was at her peak in her late teens to mid-twenties but now that she's in her late thirties, she still possesses the persona of a girlish teenager. This may be the reason why her career has stalled (apart from the whole shoplifting thing).

[batboy99]

Winona Ryder isn't sophisticated enough to be Catwoman. She comes across as a young simpleton- theres no depth or mystery about her. Its a trait that is common with most American actresses between the age of 25 to 35- they just lack sophistication, for example Natalie Portman is in her mid to late twenties but she still comes across as high school or college student. Eva Green is around Portmans age, yet she can play opposite Daniel Craig, who's well over ten years her senior, because she is a sexy sophisticated woman. Lea Seydoux is another young (23 year-old) French actress who could be a sexy and charismatic catwoman.
You dont actually have to be sophisticated in real life to play someone who is. Thats why they're actors. It all depends on how they make her act, look etc.

[batlovescatDC]

Ryder definitely played a dark, complex character in Sex and Death 101. She was fuc*in' hot in it, too.

[Two-Face]

I like to pass on Ryder, there are better choices for the role.

[KalMart]

Jaime King?



http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8059/jaimeking.jpghttp://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3843/300pxcatwoman010.jpg

[Two-Face]

Ok let's move on now...

[KalMart]

Amy Adams?

[batboy99]

S...seriously?

[KalMart]

I dunno....great-looking....good actress....maybe not the 'bad girl' that some other possibilities are, but still.

[batboy99]

Doesnt mean she would be good at all. Theres alot of great looking chicks...

Adams look more like a Harley Quinn type. Youthful,cute, vibrant, small etc. Selina Kyle she is not.

Marion Cotillard's looks work MUCH better for Selina. Same goes for Winona.

[KalMart]

Maybe, but there's more range to Adams than just the cute, girlish thing. I get what you're saying though...perhaps a bit too country-girl. At the same time, Ryder doesn't strike me as a femme-fatale at all. I think she embodies more quirkiness than just about any of the proposed possibilities.

Also, and I asked this before...are we talking about the sophisticated/cosmopolitan Selina, or the one who was a hooker from the slums?

[batboy99]

Im not saying she can only play cute girls, im saying she can only look like a cute girl. Even when her looks are downplayed, shes still too cute. Selina should be gorgeous.

[KalMart]

Im not saying she can only play cute girls, im saying she can only look like a cute girl. Even when her looks are downplayed, shes still too cute. Selina should be gorgeous.

I'd say there's plenty to build off of....


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/659/amyadamshalfupsoftbronz.jpg


How 'gorgeous' are you looking for, though? If it's really overt glamour, it may be too much for this take on Batman. Are we talking glimmering lip gloss and mist-filtered lenses whenever we see a shot of her?

[KalMart]

Y'know.....if it were some years back, and she hadn't already played a major Superhero character......Famke Janssen would have been a good choice.

[Laderlappen]

Eww no(to Janssen)

[batboy99]

I'd say there's plenty to build off of....


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/659/amyadamshalfupsoftbronz.jpg


How 'gorgeous' are you looking for, though? If it's really overt glamour, it may be too much for this take on Batman. Are we talking glimmering lip gloss and mist-filtered lenses whenever we see a shot of her?No.:facepalm
Shes still too cute looking. Samething with someone like Zooey Deschanel, Katy perry etc. No matter how much makeup etc you put on them, they still look too cute. Shes too petite anyways.

ANd Im looking for someone who resembles Selina Kyle. Look at her in any comic, she doesnt look like Amy Adams. Shes made out to be alot more gorgeous/hot than someone like Adams.
And who says overly glamoured means gorgeous? :confused: Ive never heard anything more absurd.

Face it, Adams just isnt a good suggestion for Selina Kyle.

[Crook]

She's a much better choice than Dushku. :o

Adams is who I would consider a dark-horse choice. She doesn't immediately scream the character, but there is potential there. I think we can all agree she is a fantastic actress, it's the look which is the issue. Type of look, specifically.

But it's not a big hurdle by any means. She's already gorgeous. It's a naturally "cute" face, but it really doesn't take much to turn that into sexy. A little change in the hair and some make-up will do wonders, especially for a woman who already looks very appealing.

[Alex Logan]

She's a much better choice than Dushku. :o

Adams is who I would consider a dark-horse choice. She doesn't immediately scream the character, but there is potential there. I think we can all agree she is a fantastic actress, it's the look which is the issue. Type of look, specifically.

But it's not a big hurdle by any means. She's already gorgeous. It's a naturally "cute" face, but it really doesn't take much to turn that into sexy. A little change in the hair and some make-up will do wonders, especially for a woman who already looks very appealing.

Agreed.

[batboy99]

Im sure she would do grea,t but I just dont see her working. She is a great actress. But i could only see her as HQ. Nothing more.
And yes, she would be a much better choice than Dushku acting wise. Not sure about look wise.

I think we should get someone who resembles Selina Kyle though.
Like Marion Cotillard, Angelina Jolie etc

[mjbull23]

Saw planet terror the other night, and mcgowan looks smoking hot. ::thumbs up:: she gets my vote.

[flickchick85]

Well, Adams as Catwoman would be nothing like I imagined the character, but...that doesn't mean it wouldn't be an effective interpretation. I mean, I do think she's talented enough, but I agree with Batboy that she's not an ideal match aesthetically speaking. Not just in looks, but in voice and demeanor. That doesn't mean she'd be a terrible Selina, just...completely different than the one most of us are probably picturing, lol. I agree there are much better choices; but there are also much, much worse (and yes, I think Dushku would fall into this category).

[batboy99]

I tihnk Dushku's looks work alot better than Adams looks.
Adams is the better actress though, clearly. I love her, but I couldnt picture her in the role. Id totally be up for her as Quinn though.

[Crook]

Well, Adams as Catwoman would be nothing like I imagined the character, but...that doesn't mean it wouldn't be an effective interpretation. I mean, I do think she's talented enough, but I agree with Batboy that she's not an ideal match aesthetically speaking. Not just in looks, but in voice and demeanor. That doesn't mean she'd be a terrible Selina, just...completely different than the one most of us are probably picturing, lol.
Voice and demeanor mean nothing to good/great actors. I hate to bring up Heath because I usually detest such comparisons, but his natural voice and demeanor didn't strike me as remotely Joker-like either.

And the interpretation is something that relies more on the script rather than the actor. After all, as original as the actor's performance could or would be, it is still based on whatever is on the paper.

[The Major]

Y'know.....if it were some years back, and she hadn't already played a major Superhero character......Famke Janssen would have been a good choice.
She'd have made a wonderful Black Widow.

[flickchick85]

Voice and demeanor mean nothing to good/great actors. I hate to bring up Heath because I usually detest such comparisons, but his natural voice and demeanor didn't strike me as remotely Joker-like either.
True, but the Joker was a much more theatrical character than I would want Catwoman to be. I think whoever plays her will be using her natural voice, whatever that may be, unless she's disguising it while wearing the mask. But I don't expect anyone to be using a fake voice for Selina. And Adams's voice just isn't what I would imagine for Selina at all (not a deal breaker, though). But you're right about demeanor - that's part of acting, and Adams could certainly change hers to match Selina's. I'm not sure why I said demeanor to begin with, so I'll blame the 4 margaritas I had prior to the post. :cwink:

And I didn't mean to suggest that she'd be re-interpreting the character either. I trust that whatever Nolan & Co. put on the page would be faithful to the spirit of the character. So let me rephrase what I was trying to say: Adams doesn't look OR sound like Selina in my mind, but that doesn't mean I don't think she could pull it off.

[Crook]

True, but the Joker was a much more theatrical character than I would want Catwoman to be. I think whoever plays her will be using her natural voice, whatever that may be, unless she's disguising it while wearing the mask. But I don't expect anyone to be using a fake voice for Selina. And Adams's voice just isn't what I would imagine for Selina at all (not a deal breaker, though).
I think Catwoman's voice has reached a certain identity along the same lines of Batman and Superman. You tell a girl to do one, and she'll most certainly do a Pfeiffer or Newmar impersonation. Both of which aren't too dissimilar. The public unconsciousness has pretty much defined how some of these characters look and act, which I think the actors certainly keep in mind.

But you're right about demeanor - that's part of acting, and Adams could certainly change hers to match Selina's. I'm not sure why I said demeanor to begin with, so I'll blame the 4 margaritas I had prior to the post. :cwink:
Blaming misspoken words and actions to alcohol? Girls.... :hehe:

And I didn't mean to suggest that she'd be re-interpreting the character either. I trust that whatever Nolan & Co. put on the page would be faithful to the spirit of the character. So let me rephrase what I was trying to say: Adams doesn't look OR sound like Selina in my mind, but that doesn't mean I don't think she could pull it off.
Again, I think generally speaking we all have a similar version of Catwoman in our heads. Despite any physical shortcomings, I'm sure whomever is cast will adjust accordingly. Keaton is a great example of this. Though I think he defined the character more than he did adjust to the preconceived image.

[Ace of Knaves]

I think Selina should talk differently when she has the mask on. Slow and sultry like she's purring or something.

[flickchick85]

Blaming misspoken words and actions to alcohol? Girls.... :hehe:

Oh is that a girly thing to do? I'm sure guys would never do that. Gawd, we suck. Why can't we just look pretty and get our MRS degrees? :oldrazz:

I get what you're saying about a kind of automatic Catwoman voice, and I agree with that - there's just a certain vocal style that's expected at this point when she's wearing the mask, but I was really talking about Selina. I don't think whoever gets cast will be "putting on" a voice when playing Selina. I'm guessing they'll play her sounding "normal." And normal-sounding Adams isn't anything like I imagined a normal-sounding Selina to sound. I just imagined an actress with an edgier voice, if that makes sense, like Cotillard, Jolie, Weisz, Green, etc... Anyone who doesn't naturally sound like a Disney princess, lol (and yes, I know she was putting on a voice for Enchanted; I still think she naturally sounds very Disney-like in real life). But seriously, it's a nitpick, and one that I could easily get over if she were cast. And you're right - I'm sure anyone who is cast will adjust accordingly, since that's what they're getting paid to do. But...some would have to do more adjusting than others.

[Ibn]

Sarah Shahi

http://images.askmen.com/photos/sarah-shahi/84065.jpg

Nay! She simply MUST play Talia!:cwink:

[KalMart]

No.:facepalm
Shes still too cute looking. Samething with someone like Zooey Deschanel, Katy perry etc. No matter how much makeup etc you put on them, they still look too cute. Shes too petite anyways.

ANd Im looking for someone who resembles Selina Kyle. Look at her in any comic, she doesnt look like Amy Adams. Shes made out to be alot more gorgeous/hot than someone like Adams.
And who says overly glamoured means gorgeous? :confused: Ive never heard anything more obsurd.
I've never seen a more absurd misspelling of absurd. :woot:

Face it, Adams just isnt a good suggestion for Selina Kyle.
It was a long shot, but you don't present your standpoint very well.

So....Ryder strikes you as more 'gorgeous' than Adams?

[Ace of Knaves]

Ryder looks sexier. She has that edge to her IMO. She has played some crazy, *****y characters before, I really do think she would be perfect at both aspects of Selina's personality. The more innocent, care free Selina and the dangerously sexy Catwoman.

[Ibn]

Well, I wouldn't go that far, it just pisses me off that since 2004, Bale has been considered the "most inpired casting choice" and the be all/end all Batman, churns out two AMAZING performances (one of which was in the highest grossing and most critically acclaimed comic book movies of all time) and now people are offering alternative casting suggestions!?!

People here are dense...

1. His performances were far from AMAZING.

2. I'd love to know who see's him as the be all/end all Batman because I sure don't.

3. Titanic is the highest grossing movie of all time, but not everyone likes the **** (trust me I'm one of em.)

It's far from dense of anyone to suggest other actors. For example, he's boring as hell to me as Batman, and Christopher Nolan, the director of that very wealthy movie, is overrated as hell in MY opinion. And that's all it ever boils down to. Opinion. Therefore, I don't think someone can be dense over a preference. They can be biased and overzealous yes, but not dense I don't think.


Anyway, still cheering for Paula Patton.
http://i39.tinypic.com/30cnol1.jpg


And if they were to go the Y1 route - Annasophia Robb for Holly

http://i44.tinypic.com/11v779k.jpg

[KalMart]

Jaime King?

[Ibn]

Jaime King?

= sexy

[draculoid]

Anyway, still cheering for Paula Patton.
http://i39.tinypic.com/30cnol1.jpg


if we're going to go that route, i'd rather see rosario dawson.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/mailedD8.jpg

[Ace of Knaves]

Agreed.

[batboy99]

I've never seen a more absurd misspelling of absurd. :woot:
Lol, thats what happens when you type fast

It was a long shot, but you don't present your standpoint very well.

So....Ryder strikes you as more 'gorgeous' than Adams?
Ryder is sexier IMO. I find Adams gorgeous, in a cute, petite kind of way, which is different from how I see Ryder.

Again, Id rather have Adams as HQ or as the young, college Ivy. Like the one from The Batman.

[batboy99]

Jaime King?
Black Cat ;) But I wouldnt mind her, she definetly is sexy.

[Alex Logan]

I think Selina should talk differently when she has the mask on. Slow and sultry like she's purring or something.

Nice idea.

if we're going to go that route, i'd rather see rosario dawson.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x41/crononaut/mailedD8.jpg

How about neither.

[Ibn]

Nice idea.



How about neither.


How about both are good actresses and would make a great catwoman.

[batboy99]

I myself want a Catwoman closer to the source material. That means a white Catwoman.

Im not against a black Catwoman, but the white Catwoman IS the real catwoman.

[[A]]

Anyway, still cheering for Paula Patton.
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if we're going to go that route, i'd rather see rosario dawson.
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How about neither.

How about both are good actresses and would make a great catwoman.

How about LOL :hehe:

[Alex Logan]

How about both are good actresses and would make a great catwoman.


Yes, they are good actresses, but they wouldn't make a great Catwwoman.

[regwec]

Why not?

[Two-Face]

Rosario Dawson would be great, I have no problem with her playing the role.

[Alex Logan]

Why not?

I don't like either one of them for the role.

[Laderlappen]

Same here. Im certain neither of them can pull it of.

[regwec]

I don't like either one of them for the role.

For what reason or reasons?

[Alex Logan]

For what reason or reasons?

There's really no point in getting into it because my reason is perosonal. I've seen others get into THIS type of debate and it ALWAYS goes the same way. I don't care to be labeled something I'm not simply because I don't want either of these actresses to play Catwoman.

I hope this make sense. If it doesn't then PM me and I'll tell you.

[Crook]

I'll say it. Because they're BLACK. :cmad: :eek:







:o

[Ace of Knaves]

I think it's fair to say you don't want them because they are black. It's not racist. It's just because Selina Kyle isn't black.

[KalMart]

Lol, thats what happens when you type fast
And think slow. :woot:


Ryder is sexier IMO. I find Adams gorgeous, in a cute, petite kind of way, which is different from how I see Ryder.

Again, Id rather have Adams as HQ or as the young, college Ivy. Like the one from The Batman.
Yeah, I could see Aadams or Isla Fisher as a great Lana Lang in a Supes movie.

I'm actually surprised to see so much support for Ryder. I figured she wasn't in nearly as much demand as she was a decade ago...not that I never found her attractive, but certainly not a femme-fatale type. More of the quirky, unstable type. She'd stalk you before you got obsessed with her. :oldrazz:

[batboy99]

And think slow. :woot:
:whatever:


Yeah, I could see Aadams or Isla Fisher as a great Lana Lang in a Supes movie.

Adams would be a great Lana, but keep Fisher away from comic book movies, please.

[KalMart]

:whatever:



Adams would be a great Lana, but keep Fisher away from comic book movies, please.

I could only see her as Lana Lang. But in general, I do adore her so. That Borat's a lucky S.O.B.


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[Ace of Knaves]

He is Bruno now. :hehe: