The New Catwoman Casting Thread [Archive] - Page 39

Darlton

07-17-2009, 01:19 PM

After seeing Batman Returns yesterday night for about the 100th time, I see some striking similarities between Michelle Pfeiffer and Scarlett Johansson. I have never seen Scarlett play a villain or a bad person in any of her movies, so yeah it would be different and cool. Her as Catwoman in Batman 3, would be bloody brilliant!

I have with Johansson the same problem so many people have with Cruz. She's a good actress, smoking hot, but her face doesn't have anything to do with Catwoman, at least to me. Besides, she has played a villain in a movie before... at least, if you consider The Spirit 'a movie' and not an abomination from hell like I do.

I don't think she can carry this type of character, she hasn't been in a leading role.

How come? She's a top-class oscar winning actress who's played similar roles before. Not to mention she has played tons of leading roles before. Where did you get that?

RachelDawes

07-17-2009, 01:46 PM

I have with Johansson the same problem so many people have with Cruz. She's a good actress, smoking hot, but her face doesn't have anything to do with Catwoman, at least to me. Besides, she has played a villain in a movie before... at least, if you consider The Spirit 'a movie' and not an abomination from hell like I do.

Luckily for Scarlett and her supporters no one saw The Spirit. I would rule her out just because she's playing the villain in IM2.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 02:46 PM

i swa the spirit and LOVED it and her in it. she was fun in that movie. Cruz is my girl for the cat though. she has the look.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 02:46 PM

i swa the spirit and LOVED it and her in it. she was fun in that movie. Cruz is my girl for the cat though. she has the look.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 02:46 PM

i swa the spirit and LOVED it and her in it. she was fun in that movie. Cruz is my girl for the cat though. she has the look.

batboy99

07-17-2009, 02:54 PM

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 02:57 PM

yea the triple post is to emphazize my statement lol. idk i was anticipating the spirit since i saw the trailer and learned not to take the movie seriously. the beginnign was hard to sit through but as time progressed, i really enjoyed it. and scarlett biting the apple!!!!!!! wow!!!

batboy99

07-17-2009, 02:59 PM

Scarlett was fine in it, but it was so terrible, it couln't even be fun. That is how terrible it was.

jmc

07-17-2009, 04:06 PM

I don't think she can carry this type of character, she hasn't been in a leading role.

:confused:

zeptron

07-17-2009, 05:01 PM

Scarlett was fine in it, but it was so terrible, it couln't even be fun. That is how terrible it was.

Funny. She was one of my main annoyances with that film.

batboy99

07-17-2009, 05:05 PM

I thought she did the best she could for what crappy work she was given.

RachelDawes

07-17-2009, 08:40 PM

She was a little campy in it but so was almost everyone else. The single worst actress in that film was the female police officer, Morganstern.

Cunning Stunts

07-17-2009, 09:16 PM

Whoa, triple post.

Im a huge Scarlett fan, she has always been one of my favorites, but the Spirit, I honestly couldn't get through the whole thing. It wasn't even a fun movie to watch. I don't mind watching stupid funny movies or just mindless fun movies, but the Spirit was just terrible.

And Cruz has the look? Any evidence of that? Just cuz shes dark haired doesn't mean she has the look. Lots of actresses have dark hair, doesn't make them right for the role.

And I haven't seen you give a good reason as to why Cruz would be a good choice for the role. And her being a good actress isn't the best excuse, they're are many great actresses in the biz, but that doesn't mean they are good for a role just because of that. Amy Adams is an amazing actress, doesn't mean she would make a good Catwoman.

Not that I'm an advocate for Cruz (I wouldn't mind her, but I'm not pushing for it), but she does have one argument going for her in that Italian and Hispanic actors are often used interchangeably for Italian and Hispanic roles (to clear it up, in case I worded it funny: Italians are often used for Hispanics, and Hispanics are often used for Italians, more so the former as far as I've seen).

But, to be honest, I couldn't give any less of a damn about Catwoman's heritage. If Marion is chosen, she'd better keep that freakin' sexy French accent.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 10:04 PM

Whoa, triple post.

And I haven't seen you give a good reason as to why Cruz would be a good choice for the role. And her being a good actress isn't the best excuse, they're are many great actresses in the biz, but that doesn't mean they are good for a role just because of that. Amy Adams is an amazing actress, doesn't mean she would make a good Catwoman.

What evidence does kate beckinsale or scarlett johanson have that proves they'd make a good catwoman? Didn't you suggest Cate Blanchett before? So answer me that? What makes them any better than Penelope Cruz? They don't have an accent? Catwoman having an accent wouldn't make her any less of a character. Her heritage isn't essential to her character.

batboy99

07-17-2009, 10:14 PM

I dont want Scarlett for Catwoman. And Kate has the look, shes just not that great of an actress.
Yes I do still like Blanchett for Selina, she reminds me alot of the way Selina looked in the one shot comic that came out after B:YO. At least the way she looks in The Shipping News. Cate is someone who is like a chameleon. She slips into her roles so well. She is an unconventional choice IMO.

And well, Cate IS a better actress than Cruz so...

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 10:29 PM

batboy99

07-17-2009, 10:33 PM

Fair enough, I know shes not the best choice and thats why she an unconventional choice to me. I personally think shes super sexy, in a very glamorous, sophisticated way, which is how I would like Selina to be.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 10:38 PM

i thought she was beautiful in benjamin button, i wouldn't complain if she was chosen. but she is 40 now.

Cunning Stunts

07-17-2009, 10:44 PM

And? Bale's almost there too.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 10:45 PM

he's 36 , almost is like 38.

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 10:46 PM

excuse me he's 35 even better

Crook

07-17-2009, 11:18 PM

And Cruz has the look? Any evidence of that? Just cuz shes dark haired doesn't mean she has the look. Lots of actresses have dark hair, doesn't make them right for the role.

And I haven't seen you give a good reason as to why Cruz would be a good choice for the role. And her being a good actress isn't the best excuse, they're are many great actresses in the biz, but that doesn't mean they are good for a role just because of that. Amy Adams is an amazing actress, doesn't mean she would make a good Catwoman.

Yes I do still like Blanchett for Selina, she reminds me alot of the way Selina looked in the one shot comic that came out after B:YO. At least the way she looks in The Shipping News. Cate is someone who is like a chameleon. She slips into her roles so well. She is an unconventional choice IMO.

And well, Cate IS a better actress than Cruz so...
PAUSE. Let's reflect on this for a moment. You ask for validation of Cruz looking the part, and in another post validate Blanchett? BLANCHETT?! Roll the pics:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3627/penelopecruz282jq3xa2qw.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7714/penelopecruz8.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2724/penelopecruz2.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/6228/cateblanchett1207lgp.jpghttp://img379.imageshack.us/img379/9825/cateblanchettgallery1.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8202/cateblanchett.jpg

In terms of who looks the part of Selina more, I dare anyone to contend that Penelope slaughters this category. She is younger, most definitely hotter, and is undoubtedly more accurate to the depiction of the character than Cate ever has.

Now...acting. BOTH are great in their own right, and have shown capable range in a number of roles. But with respect to their individual acting styles, I feel Penelope is more suited for the role. She gives off a very strong female presence, and her natural ability to exude sexuality and danger simultaneously is uncommon. Of late, take a look at Vicki Cristina Barcelona for a great example of what Penelope can do with a loving woman with destructive behavior and how effortlessly she still grabs the camera lens.

Cate on the other hand, has a very "classical" method of acting. Her nuances, physical mannerisms, way of speech, all convey a woman of another era. It's no wonder why she's seen mostly in period flicks. She absolutely belongs there. I honestly do not know if she has the ability to portray a "modern" female of our time.

I won't get in the way of foreign accents. Marion, as it seems, has been given a complete pass. So I'll assume no one is playing a biased card here and has applied the same approval across the board.

In conclusion, Cate VS Penelope...there isn't even a sliver of a contest here. I welcome any counterpoints. I have a feeling it'll be easy. :o

Jay#1

07-17-2009, 11:27 PM

Crook, you are my HERO!!!!!!!!! You said EVERYTHING i wanted to say but didn't know how to.

Cunning Stunts

07-17-2009, 11:59 PM

excuse me he's 35 even better

You're quite excused. Five years, especially in that age range, is not a large gap at all.

batboy99

07-17-2009, 11:59 PM

See, but Im not basing my reasoning on when she looks like that, look at her in The Shipping News, thats where I got the idea from.
There, she reminds me of the Selina from the solo mini series from '92(I think). Which had Selina looking(minus the stupid hooker part) looking a little more mature than how she is depicted in lets say, Batman:Hush or The Long Halloween.
And then theres that photo shoot where Cate reminds me alot of the TAS Selina.

No, Cate doesnt look exactly like the character, and in terms of looks, I do admit, Cruz is a little closer, but once again, I refer to the Shipping News, that shows me she is capable of having a look that would fit the character.
And I personally find Cate hotter.

And to me Cate is such a great actress, she can slip into this role just fine.
I dont really like to have a choice JUST based on one thing(whether its acting or looks) but Cate is such a chameleon, with the right dye job, make-up etc, I have no doubt she would look great and look like a decent fit for the role.
Make up can make her look totally different.

Here she looks alot more elegant and mature.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/leutwyler_009.jpg
While here she looks completely different. Alot more young looking and sexier.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/richard-bailey_02-1.jpg

Look, I have NEVER, EVER said Cate was the best choice for the role. And I have NEVER said she looks the most like the character. Ivealready stated that I am aware that she doesn't have the typical looks for Selina as other actresses do, but as I stated above, Cate is a chameleon and can easily slip into this role in my opinion.

But based on everything(Looking like the character and acting), without a doubt, the role should go to either Cotillard, Jolie, or Theron.

Cunning Stunts

07-18-2009, 12:09 AM

Dude, Johnny Depp could have "the look" to fit the character, given make-up, CGI, or whatever they feel like using. You guys are blowing this "the look" ******** way out of proportion.

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:09 AM

See, but Im not basing my reasoning on when she looks like that, look at her in The Shipping News, thats where I got the idea from.
There, she reminds me of the Selina from the solo mini series from '92(I think). Which had Selina looking(minus the stupid hooker part) looking a little more mature than how she is depicted in lets say, Batman:Hush or The Long Halloween.
I've seen the movie. The only thing about her looks that's changed is the dyed hair. It doesn't change the fact that her face is completely wrong for this role.

No, Cate doesnt look exactly like the character, and in terms of looks, I do admit, Cruz is a little closer, but once again, I refer to the Shipping News, that shows me she is capable of having a look that would fit the character.
And I personally find Cate hotter.
Yikes. Well more hotties for us then. :huh:

And to me Cate is such a great actress, she can slip into this role just fine.
I dont really like to have a choice JUST based on one thing(whether its acting or looks) but Cate is such a chameleon, with the right dye job, make-up etc, I have no doubt she would look great and look like a decent fit for the role.

Again, even when it comes to acting, I'm not sure she's right for this part. The few times she's played a modern woman, it hasn't remotely encompassed what it would take for Selina. She very well could play it but I'm not convinced. Besides, her looks are so completely off-base for the character I would still be distracted. :o

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:12 AM

Dude, Johnny Depp could have "the look" to fit the character, given make-up, CGI, or whatever they feel like using.
Which, by previous accounts, Nolan has no intention of doing. The actors he casts are pretty much "as is" on film, as they are in reality.

You guys are blowing this "the look" ******** way out of proportion.
When it comes to one of the most recognized fictional female figures who has forever been immortalized as a sex icon...no, I'm not blowing this out of proportion at all. :yay:

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:14 AM

Yikes. Well more hotties for us then. :huh:
I dont see what is ''yikes'' about it, everyone has different opinions.

Again, even when it comes to acting, I'm not sure she's right for this part. The few times she's played a modern woman, it hasn't remotely encompassed what it would take for Selina. She very well could play it but I'm not convinced. Besides, her looks are so completely off-base for the character I would still be distracted. :o
Well, if she were to be cast, I highly doubt they will have her looking like her usual self. Im sure they would do wonders and make her look great.

Cunning Stunts

07-18-2009, 12:17 AM

Which, by previous accounts, Nolan has no intention of doing. The actors he casts are pretty much "as is" on film, as they are in reality.

I was obviously exaggerating (although I'm sure it could be done). Regardless, I think if Nolan found someone he really liked that didn't quite "look the part", he'd probably toss the fact she didn't "look the part" aside.

When it comes to one of the most recognized fictional female figures who has forever been immortalized as a sex icon...no, I'm not blowing this out of proportion at all. :yay:[/quote]

The comment was directed at batboy (I was just too lazy to quote).

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:19 AM

I dont see what is ''yikes'' about it, everyone has different opinions.
It's an opinion of your opinion. I find it ironic you didn't see that, with the question you asked. :o

Well, if she were to be cast, I highly doubt they will have her looking like her usual self. Im sure they would do wonders and make her look great.
Highly doubt...based on what? Joker aside (for obvious reasons), when has Nolan ever dressed up his actors? And opinions aside, why would they? You don't cast someone only to have them radically change their appearance, unless it was for a very particular role that can only be achieved by a select few of actors.

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:22 AM

I was obviously exaggerating (although I'm sure it could be done). Regardless, I think if Nolan found someone he really liked that didn't quite "look the part", he'd probably toss the fact she didn't "look the part" aside.
That would be the likely case. Though I pray it never comes to that. :csad:

The comment was directed at batboy (I was just too lazy to quote).
You didn't have to quote, you said "you guys" so I'm only to assume it referred to the only 2 people participating in a discussion. :cwink:

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:25 AM

Well Im not talking a HUGE change like CGI and stuff, but makeup can go a long way.Give her a good dye job, smokey eyed makeup, and it will change her looks alot. Definetly alot different than the usual ''antique'' looks she usually has.

Again, Im not saying she is the best choice or is so amazing she NEEDS to be cast right now, Im just saying that I have a little more faith that they can make this choice work out to their benefit very well and ''shock us'' to say the least.

I know its a little more work to do, but it would all work out for the best in the end.

I still do like Cate in the role, but shes definelty a more unconventional choice for me. Dark horse choice, if you will.
I know they will go with someone who looks the part way more. Cate isn't my #1 choice, but she is still, one of my choices.

I personally would like Marion Cotillard in the role more.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 12:27 AM

get over it batboy, you lost

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:30 AM

Theres nothing to get over really,it wasn't that big of a deal.

I must admit I was wrong, I actually never noticed how much potential Cruz had looks wise. I don't know if its just cuz I havent seen her in anything for a while. But either way, I still don't see her in the role, I hate to use the accent excuse considering I want Marion, but hers is just a little too thick for my taste.

But anyways, this woman beats both of them IMO.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/preview-newyork-001.jpg

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:34 AM

What could be altered to an actress is irrelevant, as the chances of such techniques are unlikely, and the fact that an argument has to be made for it is telling in and of itself. The majority reaction would be none too dissimilar to the lukewarm response as Maggie and Dunst. It's nice that there will be the select few that can consider them hot, but I would favor the majority crowd here. ESPECIALLY when we're talking about f'n Catwoman.

You cannot go from the likes of Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, and Michelle Pfeiffer, all universally praised hotties, to....a so-so looking broad. Sorry.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:37 AM

Ok, yeah I do agree with you.
I know Cate isn't really a conventional hottie which is probably what the actress playing Selina should be.
I mean, I know I would be happy if she was cast, but I would be in a small minority.

I guess I could put Cate with Hillary Swank. Someone who could play these kind of roles, just not the best choice in the looks dept.

I do prefer having someone more people can agree on.

So what it comes down to, yes I still like her for the role, but there are others I see fitting the bill alot better.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 12:42 AM

you have been put in your place batboy

Cunning Stunts

07-18-2009, 12:44 AM

That would be the likely case. Though I pray it never comes to that. :csad:

As do I.

You didn't have to quote, you said "you guys" so I'm only to assume it referred to the only 2 people participating in a discussion. :cwink:

You guys (for this conversation's intents and purposes) = The dudes (and chicks) who sling around the term, "the look," like it holds about 200X more weight than it actually does.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:44 AM

I think you're the one who is making this a bigger deal than it is.

I admitted I was wrong and thats done. You don't have to give comments like that, its unnecessary,really.

Cunning Stunts

07-18-2009, 12:45 AM

you have been put in your place batboy

I don't think you're one to be tossing that phrase around...

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:47 AM

And if you want me to be snippy, Crook defended you, I defended myself....

I think we can all agree on this:

If Cate were cast, she would do great, no doubt, but we prefer someone who fits the bill much better than Cate.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 12:50 AM

yes crook defended me and I thank him tremendously. but you had it coming by saying i hadn't presented any evidense that Cruz would work for the role when you obviously didn't do the same.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 12:52 AM

But I never brought up Cate while talking about Cruz.

I never said,'' Cruz doesn't look like the character, Cate Blanchett looks like the character.''

No, I didn't. Again, I already stated that she doesn't have the ideal looks, but I still think she would do great in the role.
Not to mention that the actress I want in the role more actually DOES resemble the character. Blanchett is just more of a ''dark horse'' choice for me. Someone who isn't the ideal choice for the character that I still wouldn't mind seeing in the role regardless.

Crook

07-18-2009, 12:58 AM

You guys (for this conversation's intents and purposes) = The dudes (and chicks) who sling around the term, "the look," like it holds about 200X more weight than it actually does.
Perhaps you can clarify this position then. "The look" holds significance to iconic characters who have been depicted in vast forms of media over several decades. They're ingrained within the public consciousness, in spite of spanning across numerous generations who have each witnessed a different physical incarnation of said icons.

I expect to look at Batman and see a hardened individual who you do not want to mess with. I expect to look at Supes and see a powerful figure who exudes leadership and is practically a representation of the "perfect" man. I expect to look at Bond and see a handsome and dangerous spy who can get his way around everything. I expect to look at Catwoman and see a sexy, dangerous minx with a mischievous demeanor. I'd be willing to be mainstream holds the same expectations.

All of these are more or less physical traits that carry a certain weight to project one's character. I don't think I've particularly singled out appearance as the be all, end all factor. Just an important one.

Care to express what is wrong with this?

returntovoid

07-18-2009, 01:16 AM

Anybody that think Penelope Cruz is ugly is crazy.

Agreed, they must be smoking pot. :hehe:

Cunning Stunts

07-18-2009, 01:20 AM

Perhaps you can clarify this position then. "The look" holds significance to iconic characters who have been depicted in vast forms of media over several decades. They're ingrained within the public consciousness, in spite of spanning across numerous generations who have each witnessed a different physical incarnation of said icons.

I expect to look at Batman and see a hardened individual who you do not want to mess with. I expect to look at Supes and see a powerful figure who exudes leadership and is practically a representation of the "perfect" man. I expect to look at Bond and see a handsome and dangerous spy who can get his way around everything. I expect to look at Catwoman and see a sexy, dangerous minx with a mischievous demeanor. I'd be willing to be mainstream holds the same expectations.

All of these are more or less physical traits that carry a certain weight to project one's character. I don't think I've particularly singled out appearance as the be all, end all factor. Just an important one.

Care to express what is wrong with this?

Yeah, that I've seen countless amounts of people start up arguments just because a character "didn't have the look", and they fail to realize a lot of that can be changed with the smallest amount of make up. For example. Also, just because someone might look like the character doesn't mean they're cut out for the role. For example:

I expect to look at Batman and see a hardened individual who you do not want to mess with.

You know how often I hear this about myself? Oddly enough, I'm 5'10", don't have a square jaw, I'm not half as attractive as Bruce Wayne, and I'm not nearly as muscular as he is.

A good friend of mine is about 6'4", pretty muscular, but somewhat skinny. Has long, flowing hair, and looks like he's 18 (he's not) when he has no facial hair. You add that facial hair and the black around the eyes, and he's a straight-out-of-Warner Brothers approved (not easy to do) to walk around as Batman for companies.

I really didn't get that impression out of Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or George Clooney either. Nor did I get your impression of Superman out of Brandon Routh. But you know what? Keaton and Kilmer fit pretty damned well into the roles, without the outlandish amount of make-up.

So yeah, I'm telling you "the look" is blown out of proportion, because it can easily be altered, especially with big-budget movies.

Crook

07-18-2009, 01:59 AM

Yeah, that I've seen countless amounts of people start up arguments just because a character "didn't have the look", and they fail to realize a lot of that can be changed with the smallest amount of make up.
And I feel you’re oversimplifying not just the make-up process, but the likelihood of such methods to occur in the first place.

A good friend of mine is about 6'4", pretty muscular, but somewhat skinny. Has long, flowing hair, and looks like he's 18 (he's not) when he has no facial hair. You add that facial hair and the black around the eyes, and he's a straight-out-of-Warner Brothers approved (not easy to do) to walk around as Batman for companies.
What amounts as a satisfying prerequisite for you may not be agreed upon by others. You’d have to post a pic before I can comment on this particular case. But nonetheless, I can bet that he’s probably not a convincing actor. Not to mention that my descriptions were short and to the point, I didn't go into much detail of projecting more than just a resemblance. It’s one thing to look like a living rendition of a character, it’s completely another dimension to breathe life into it.

I really didn't get that impression out of Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or George Clooney either. Nor did I get your impression of Superman out of Brandon Routh. But you know what? Keaton and Kilmer fit pretty damned well into the roles, without the outlandish amount of make-up.
See, this is where I disagree. All those actors you’ve mentioned, physically speaking, did fit their characters in some form or another. Routh had the look, and in some cases he had the presence. Kilmer and Clooney fit the role of Bruce, respective to the directions they were taken. Keaton lacked the conventional playboy looks, but more than made up for it when he was under that cowl. No one looked more intimidating than him.

The actors who ultimately fail, are those that don’t pass the surface expectations. Out of your group, I’d say it’s pretty much everyone barring Keaton. Incidentally, out of the suit he was the least to look like his character. But as I’ve said, it’s more than having a passing resemblance. To this day he is the only Batman actor I’ve seen who brought life to the mangled and tortured soul I read in comic book pages.

So yeah, I'm telling you "the look" is blown out of proportion, because it can easily be altered, especially with big-budget movies.
The keyword is it can, but realistically speaking it’s just not common. The instances in which actors are altered to those degrees is limited. Unless it is a biopic or a very special case that calls for dramatic physical transformations, the technology being available is of no concern. Production won’t even look at it because it is simply not necessary.

I feel I need to clarify that while we are on the topic of physical appearance, my descriptions are not meant to merely come off as a checklist for character aesthetics. There are plenty of pictures out on the net of random nobodies who look like they’ve been ripped out of the comic book pages. Beyond that, it’s nothing. There is no depth.

I only intend to give out a rudimentary outline for what is to be expected in translating literary figures for live-action. What I’m trying to convey has little to do with acting, so that’s why I’m focusing so much on the physical aspects. But understand it does go deeper than that, something innate within the individual. Perhaps it's my fault for not highlighting the emotional connections as well. It’s late, so forgive me if I’m hard to read. This would probably be easier if I was talking to someone with great knowledge in photography and/or portraits. I'm sure they understand the concept of which I am utterly failing to describe. :o

returntovoid

07-18-2009, 02:45 AM

There needs to be a new Catwoman casting thread with an updated poll.

Laderlappen

07-18-2009, 03:47 AM

I think if it werent for the accent, Penelope would have been perfect and probably my no2 after Marion. Cate is one underrated hottie. She might not have the look but I think she could pull of the look. The thing against her is the age.

returntovoid

07-18-2009, 04:52 AM

^^^I really don't think Cate is that attractive and I don't see her as Catwoman.

I think Weisz and Cruz are better choices, IMO. :word:

Laderlappen

07-18-2009, 05:15 AM

Whats with the rolling eyes? Im not allowed to think Cate is attractive?

returntovoid

07-18-2009, 05:44 AM

^^^You're inclined to your opinion but that's just my opinion (no offense). :word:

I'll edit the rolling eyes out, it was a very unnecessary thing to add to the post.

jmc

07-18-2009, 06:30 AM

I only intend to give out a rudimentary outline for what is to be expected in translating literary figures for live-action. What I'm trying to convey has little to do with acting, so that's why I'm focusing so much on the physical aspects. But understand it does go deeper than that, something innate within the individual. Perhaps it's my fault for not highlighting the emotional connections as well. It's late, so forgive me if I'm hard to read. This would probably be easier if I was talking to someone with great knowledge in photography and/or portraits. I'm sure they understand the concept of which I am utterly failing to describe. :o

Basically you're looking for a minimum criteria.

Crook

07-18-2009, 11:16 AM

As the first step of casting? Sure. Other factors such as acting ability and chemistry with co-stars comes a bit later, but that goes without saying.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 02:23 PM

^^^I really don't think Cate is that attractive and I don't see her as Catwoman.

I think Weisz and Cruz are better choices, IMO. :word:
I dont see how she is unattractive. Personally, I think she is. Obviously shes not drop dead gorgeous, but she isn't ugly. Shes definetly more of a classical beauty.

And yeah, I take back what I said before, Cruz does have the typical look for Selina, but as Laderlappen said, if it weren't for the accent, she would be a good choice.

That being said, my top choices are Marion Cotillard, Angelina Jolie,Charlize Theron, and I'm slowly starting to like Weisz.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 02:27 PM

I still don't see what is wrong with cruz's accent.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 02:30 PM

Well, I dont have a problem with accents if its like Marion's. Its there, but it isnt so thick.
Cruz's accent is pretty thick. I have the same problem with Salma Heyek. Both great actresses, but both seem to have such thick accents that it is hard to cover up, no matter how hard they try. And sometimes, its kind of hard to understand what they are saying.

And again, Im sorry for what I said. I don't know what I was thinking when I said Cruz didn't have the looks. Cuz, she does. More so than Cate, but I just prefer Cate.

alexdunn

07-18-2009, 02:30 PM

Agreed, they must be smoking pot. :hehe:

On the contrary, that would make her hotter.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 02:32 PM

Lol yes it would.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 02:33 PM

But why cover up the accent?

batboy99

07-18-2009, 02:34 PM

Because it is just too thick and quite destracting.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 02:39 PM

for you it is you mean. i wouldn't find it distracting, i find it alluring.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 02:41 PM

Well, I think it would be destracting in terms of the character. I don't know, it is still sexy, but its just a bit... too much for Selina IMO. I wouldn't mind a smaller accent, but this is just too much for Selina.

Edit: Actually, you know what, I didnt know she was in the Disney G-Force movie, and in the trailer(though it is only one line), her accent doesn't sound as thick as it usually does. But it still doesn't work for me. I guess I just don't picture Catwoman being spanish.

Crook

07-18-2009, 03:45 PM

Spanish is a lot closer to Selina's Italian roots more than French. :o

batboy99

07-18-2009, 03:59 PM

I never said I wanted her to be French either. Or that she had to be French. I just want a French actress to play her. Plus Im sure it wouldn't be hard to make Marion play an Italian character.

Cruz is just, I dont know how to put it.... too Spanish?

Crook

07-18-2009, 04:17 PM

Why is it any easier for Marion to play Italian more than Penelope? They're both foreign, but I would say if I could only peg one of them as having Italian blood, it'd be Cruz.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 04:50 PM

I just couldn't picture Cruz being Italian, especially with her accent. I could see her being Portuguese or something, but not Italian. Let's just call it a hunch.

jmc

07-18-2009, 05:17 PM

I just couldn't picture Cruz being Italian, especially with her accent. I could see her being Portuguese or something, but not Italian. Let's just call it a hunch.

Cruz speaks Italian, she's fluent in like 4 languages.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 05:20 PM

Well really, that doesn't change anything. She probably wont need to speak Italian in the movie anyway.
Basically every Italian I have met have been a little more white while he Portuguese(which is what I am) and Spanish tend to be a little darker. Thats why I have an easier time picturing Marion being Italian. And no, Im not saying Italians can't be dark, but I just dont know any that are that dark.
Plus she just has the typical Spanish look to her, which is hard to explain, but Im sure you get what I mean.

Cruz just has too much of a thick spanish accent for my liking. I just don't like her for the role, thats it.

Laderlappen

07-18-2009, 06:43 PM

Cruz's accent is much thicker than Marion's which is why we think it would be more difficult for Cruz to have an american accent. Selina might have italian roots, but I dont think she should speak with an italian accent.

batboy99

07-18-2009, 06:53 PM

Precisely.

I'm glad me and you are on the same page Laderlappen!

Crook

07-18-2009, 07:05 PM

If either Marion or Cruz would get it, I doubt an American accent would be possible without slippage. It's gonna boil down to what you prefer, French or Spanish accent.

Jay#1

07-18-2009, 07:09 PM

I prefer Spanish!!

jmc

07-18-2009, 07:36 PM

Hmm, tough choice, the French accent is more seductive, whilst the Spanish accent more exotic.

regwec

07-19-2009, 07:39 AM

The sexiest accent in the world is Eva Green trying to achieve an English accent but slipping into French, as heard in "Casino Royale".

As for Catwoman; just don't choose an actress who can't play an American.

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:15 PM

If either Marion or Cruz would get it, I doubt an American accent would be possible without slippage. It's gonna boil down to what you prefer, French or Spanish accent.Well, I think they would both have ''slippage'' but Marion would be less noticable than Cruz.

...
Wow, that was EXTREMELY rude.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 01:20 PM

Wow, that was EXTREAMLY rude.

did you mean "extremely?

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:22 PM

Mmmhm good eye.

Either way, that was rude and uncalled for.

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:24 PM

I wouldn't be suprised if you get a warning for something like that.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 01:32 PM

i did get an infraction. wow my feelings are hurt now. look people here have such a closed mind. they can't think outside the box for one minute. and that joke i made was priceless.

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:36 PM

No, not really, it was just rude. And that is regwec's opinion, he wants Catwoman to be done right, so he rather not take chances.
I myself don't mind them taking a chance with casting someone foreign, but that's just me.

Anyways, my top choices for the role:

Marion Cotillard
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/preview-newyork-001.jpg
Charlize Theron
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/charlize-theron-048.jpg
Angelina Jolie
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/j-1.jpg
And I still prefer her as Ivy and probably always will, but I could see Emily Blunt being a good fit for Selina.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/Emily_Blunt_GQUk2008Feb_02.jpg

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 01:43 PM

Marion is a good choice. Charlize Theorn i want nowhere near a superhero type film. she sucked in aeon flux and hancock. not so fond of jolie like i used to be. blunt is good but ivy would be the better choice.

this is the best choice!!!!

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt63/daemons666/PenelopeCruz1.jpg

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:50 PM

Aeon Flux and Hancock aren't Charlize's fault. At all. It isn't her fault she was given a crappy part.

And Cruz is gorgeous, but I'd rather have Selina speaking in a lighter accent or no accent at all.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 01:53 PM

but she still sucked in it. she didn't have to take the role. and if an actor acts bad in a movie, its THEIR fault. hancock was an okay film but she was so off in that one.

batboy99

07-19-2009, 01:55 PM

I disagree. Charlize is a wonderful actress and she did fine for what crap she was given. I agree she wasn't great, but she wasn't terrible. Plus this is a much higher calibur movie, so I'm sure she would put more effort into it. These movies are just as much about acting as they are about action.

Though shes my second choice along with Jolie. So yea,h shes not my favorite choice.

Oh and about Cruz, I've been thinking, if she can work on the accent just a little bit, I think I might like her in the role.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 01:58 PM

i really think she's overrated. yea she wonn an oscar for monster.. and?? what has she done since??

Ace of Knaves

07-19-2009, 01:59 PM

Hancock was crap I thought.

Theron is a great actress. Great actors and actresses some times give crap performances or are in crap films. They don't just suddenly lose their talent.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 02:10 PM

but thats not the only crap performance she has given lately.

Ace of Knaves

07-19-2009, 02:12 PM

That's a fair point but what films has she been in recently? No good ones with great material to work with.

You give her something she could really sink her teeth into like the role of Catwoman I think she would excel. Same way she did in Monster and Devil's Advocate.

Jay#1

07-19-2009, 02:21 PM

maybe... maybe not. but why give her such a lucrartive role if she can't do more with the material she is given. i sign of any great actor/actress is if they can take crap material and make it something better.

batboy99

07-19-2009, 11:40 PM

She was also good in that movie the Valley of Elah or whatever it is called. But I do agree she should do better evne in a crappy movie. But anyways, shes not my #1 choice so oh well. I MUCH prefer Marion.

And just for your consideration, I talked to some actual Italians today(both modernized ''Canadian-Italians'' and some actual Italian-Italians) and I asked them the question, ''which is closer? Italian to Spanish or Italian to French?'' And no word of a lie, they all said Italian to French. One of my friends is fluent in French and her step mum is Italian and she doesn't know Italian but she says she can pick up on alot because of her being fluent in French.
And even when we were having that convo in this thread, I thought the same thing as well.
Spanish and Portuguese are close, but not Italian to Spanish IMO.
I'm Portuguese and speak it fairly well and I can understand alot of what Spanish people are saying, but I can't understand anything Italians are saying(unless it's stuff I've picked up from friends, neighbours etc)

So take that how you will. I'm just saying, this is what people said in response to my question.

Crook

07-20-2009, 12:00 AM

Jay#1

07-20-2009, 12:03 AM

Yes Spanish and Italian speaking is pretty close. I speak spanish and have heard italians speaking nearly the same way.

Salemdog

07-20-2009, 07:13 AM

Once more into the breach. Not well known outside of house, hot, exotic looking, good actress. Olivia Wilde. Nuff said.

http://queensofrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/olivia_wilde_003.jpg

Two-Face

07-20-2009, 07:19 AM

batboy99

07-20-2009, 09:51 AM

Once more into the breach. Not well known outside of house, hot, exotic looking, good actress. Olivia Wilde. Nuff said.

http://queensofrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/olivia_wilde_003.jpgI ****ing LOVE Olivia Wilde. She just needs to get a little bigger. Then I would be fine with her.

Kelly

07-20-2009, 10:03 AM

i did get an infraction. wow my feelings are hurt now. look people here have such a closed mind. they can't think outside the box for one minute. and that joke i made was priceless.

And apparently it didn't sink in...

Chill out with your posts. You CAN give your opinion without the crude tone....

batboy99

07-20-2009, 10:12 AM

Well, im sorry for saying that, but I will defend myself. I'm not just going to let that go by.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 10:13 AM

The Italian/French/Spanish debate is actually pretty split. Just google it and you'll see plenty of people debating which language is closer to which.

I personally find the Spanish/Italian connection to be more prominent from experience. I take French right now as my fourth language (Spanish was my third), and it has little to no help in understanding anything Italian. :o
Well, that isn't what the French and Italians said...

Portuguese and Spanish are very similar, and I know some spanish and I don't understand anything in Italian.

I guess it is just a matter of opinion then.

returntovoid

07-20-2009, 10:50 AM

Either Rachel Weisz or Penelope Cruz (even though the accent will be the only letdown) should be casted as Catwoman, IMO.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 11:01 AM

I never really liked Weisz, but I'm slowly starting to warm up to the idea.

returntovoid

07-20-2009, 11:03 AM

^^^Rachel Weisz is my #1 choice for the role, even though she'll have to transform a bit to play the character like Heath Ledger did for The Joker.

Laderlappen

07-20-2009, 11:05 AM

Penelope Cruz speaks french btw.

returntovoid

07-20-2009, 11:08 AM

Penelope Cruz speaks french btw.

I know about the fact that she speaks in 4 languages.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 11:09 AM

Well, TBH, that doesn't change anything. I could be fluent in manderin or Italian or whatever, doesn't mean I could pull of their accent.(Just an example) SO just because she speaks 4 languages, doesn't mean she can be believable with that ethnicity. And that's what I've been trying to say from the beggining. I don't see her accent worknig for an Italian character. No, Im not saying she can't do it, but I just don't see it. Unless they want to make her(Selina) spanish...

Jay#1

07-20-2009, 01:26 PM

Stop being a hater batboy. penelope is the best choice with or without an accent.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 01:31 PM

No she isnt. She's a good choice, but not the best choice. Maybe for you she is, but not for me.

Im not a hater, I just don't agree with the choice that much. If you can't take that people disagree with you, then maybe posting it on a message board isn't the best thing to do.
And no, I still dont like the accent

I dont think there is a ''best choice''. Alot of these actresses have something great to give, but none of them would be perfect or anything. Unless the character was based off them or something. No one is going to agree on one choice, so what might be the best choice for you, might be the worst choice for others and vice versa.

Crook

07-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Well, TBH, that doesn't change anything. I could be fluent in manderin or Italian or whatever, doesn't mean I could pull of their accent.
Huh? I've rarely (if ever) witnessed a scenario in which someone is fluent in a language, and not be accurate in the accent.

The sole reason why people have foreign accents in a different language is because they're not fluent (aka not knowledgeable in the native tongue).

batboy99

07-20-2009, 01:36 PM

Ok, maybe I should have reworked that. Just because they are fluent in that language, doesn't mean they can be beleivable in the ethnicity.

And I've never heard Penelope speak Italian or French, so until I hear the evidence that she can hide her Spanish accent, I stand by my opinion.

Crook

07-20-2009, 01:39 PM

I'm at work (don't snitch :o) so youtube is blocked for me at the moment. But I'm sure someone can find the vid. I know I've seen it.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 01:41 PM

K, show it to me. I'll have to see it for myself.

I'm reading around and there's alot of mixed reactions. Some say her French and Italian are fine while others say its pretty bad, so yeah, I gotta see for myself.

Crook

07-20-2009, 01:44 PM

On second thought, it's of no consequence. She won't be speaking Italian/French in the movie, so it doesn't matter if she's fluent or not.

Though if we're asking if she can speak English in a Italian/French accent, that's a different story.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 01:46 PM

That's kinda what I was wondering from the beginning.
I think we were just sidetracked from everything.

So yeah,that's my question, can she speak English with an Italian accent or an american accent?
I go no problem with her, I just don't want her having a spanish accent.

Kelly

07-20-2009, 02:06 PM

Stop being a hater batboy. penelope is the best choice with or without an accent.

Jay, it is his opinion, just because he doesn't agree with you doesn't mean he's a hater, it just means he has a different opinion from yours. If you can't have a respectful discussion on this matter, this may not be the place for you.

Chill out...

Last warning!

Two-Face

07-20-2009, 02:07 PM

I rather have Rachel Weisz....

batboy99

07-20-2009, 02:09 PM

Agreed Two-Face. BTW,who are your choices?

nolan's roll'n

07-20-2009, 02:25 PM

I don't think Peneope Cruz should be Catwoman. Now, Olivia Wilde, that is a suggestion. I would love to see Marion Cotillard, Rachel Weisz, or Scarlett Johansson.

Two-Face

07-20-2009, 05:18 PM

Agreed Two-Face. BTW,who are your choices?

I have 2 choices, Angelina Jolie, (I'm still hope ful on Jolie) Rachel Weisz but third would be Charlize Theron If I had to choose third actress.

batboy99

07-20-2009, 05:37 PM

Oh god... :rolleyes:

Yeah, Two-Face, good choices. I still like Jolie as well. I know she's the ''go to girl'' for like, every comic role and shes the obvious choice for Catwoman, but she's a great actress and I'd still love to see her in the role.

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 06:43 PM

i know the perfect actress and of course it's my baby mamma Alicia Keyes.

God i love her. I mean she was decent in Smokin' Aces and has a lot of body and beautiful in the face and her in a catwoman outfit i think would make any fanboy...well...in the words of Eminem..."wowsers i just made a mess in my trousers"
hell she's a lot hotter than Halle Berry and i think would be a lot easier on the eyes of those with high expectations of a sexy seductive femme fatale in a catsuit.

Majik1387

07-20-2009, 06:53 PM

No thanks. Didn't like the suggestion when it first came around, still don't like it.

Laderlappen

07-20-2009, 06:57 PM

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 07:37 PM

Puff Daddy for Batman!

i don't know whether that was racist or stupid but when is racisim smart?

anyways Alicia has a whole lot more talent then P. Diddy. she kicked @$$ in Smokin' Aces and can't think of any hotter of an actress than Alicia Keyes for the role.

Crook

07-20-2009, 07:45 PM

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 07:50 PM

She's not an actress, at least not a capable one. Please do not bring up Smokin' Aces again. I liked the film, but Alicia didn't even have enough line to fill up a page. Please think about that for a second. Your basis for wanting her is on hotness. That is beyond absurd.

big deal she was given a few lines that doesn't mean she's not capable of having the talent to being a good if not great actress. judging the book by its cover i see besides i think she could pull off a better Catwoman than Michelle Pfieffer

Crook

07-20-2009, 07:57 PM

big deal she was given a few lines that doesn't mean she's not capable of having the talent to being a good if not great actress.
What it means is she hasn't shown the capability of acting, much less being called great. You do not point out potential before even seeing it.

judging the book by its cover i see besides i think she could pull off a better Catwoman than Michelle Pfieffer
You're pulling s##t out your ass. You're right I'm judging from the cover. I sure as hell can't go beyond that because there are no pages in the damn book.

Michelle had been acting for over a decade before she landed Catwoman. She in turn garnered huge praise for her performance (look it up). Alicia Keys had a glorified cameo and you're spouting her as potentially great and are so sure that she can deliver something better than Michelle. Right.

Someone please point me to the exit, because clearly I've wandered into a psych ward.

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 08:11 PM

What it means is she hasn't shown the capability of acting, much less being called great. You do not point out potential before even seeing it.

You're pulling s##t out your ass. You're right I'm judging from the cover. I sure as hell can't go beyond that because there are no pages in the damn book.

Michelle had been acting for over a decade before she landed Catwoman. She in turn garnered huge praise for her performance (look it up). Alicia Keys had a glorified cameo and you're spouting her as potentially great and are so sure that she can deliver something better than Michelle. Right.

Someone please point me to the exit, because clearly I've wandered into a psych ward.

hey relax geez it's just my opinion you don't have to like it it's ok i just think between Michelle's Catwoman performance and Halle's (god i hate bringing her up in this topic) i can't think of a more qualified person as far as visually but substance or background you're right Alicia Keys only has Smokin' Aces under her belt. But was she horrible in it? No. So i'm just saying i'm not doubting her potential i honestly think she can pull it off.

Crook

07-20-2009, 08:18 PM

I'm not ragging on your opinion at all, I'm ragging on your basis for support and making overzealous claims. Look up Alicia's lines in the film. I can guarantee it wouldn't even fill up the space I'm typing in right now. That's how much experience this girl has. And you want her to jump from that, to this iconic role amongst some of the most talented people in Hollywood, occupying the most famous female comic role? C'mon man. She would get crushed, I don't need a magic eight-ball to predict that one.

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 08:31 PM

i wouldn't say iconic i mean its Catwoman she would be more eyecandy then a vicsiou foe. but you're right as far as experience with acting she doesn't have a lot of it. but i think she could handle the action. i mean for a Catwoman role the actress needs to be curvaceous, sexy, the eyes the look that she's pure beauty in the inside and don't see the dark side to her because of it. the type of look that seduces you to close enough to slice your throat. Pfeiffer's role was great. she pulled off the psychotic part pretty well so i definitely like that. i couldn't see Alicia Keys psychotic but deceiving yeah i can see that.

Crook

07-20-2009, 08:37 PM

HughJackFan420

07-20-2009, 08:51 PM

Catwoman needs to look sexy, but that's not to say she's merely there to look hot in a catsuit. Sure, I wouldn't mind Alicia in that black latex. But do it for a photoshoot, or in my bedroom. Leave that ish out of actual Hollywood movies. We've learned from Halle's atrocity. :o

I want Catwoman to have just as much character depth as much as she has the beauty. Simple as that. I wouldn't want to sacrifice either. And I'm absolutely confident that's exactly what I'd be doing if Alicia were cast. And just to be fair here, I feel the same way (on the flipside this time) if Cate Blanchett or Hilary Swank somehow made it to the role.

yeah i'm just clueless as to why either of those two would be mentioned for catwoman. all i have to say is yuck. i guess i'm lost for casting ideas i'm just being bias to be honest. i think she was great in Smokin Aces but to win over the hearts of the casting dept i think she would need more acting experience. still i think she would do a lot better than job then Halle i take back what I said about Michelle's performance. i guess i was more focused on Danny Devitos performance which was superb. still i won't change my mind i vote Alicia Keys. (until I can think of an actress with both the look and the talent fit for Catwoman)

Johnny Drama

07-20-2009, 08:52 PM

Puff Daddy for Batman!

YES! And Chris Brown for Robin!

batboy99

07-20-2009, 09:36 PM

I wouldn't mind Keyes if she had more acting talent and experience.

Mr. Earle

07-20-2009, 10:57 PM

Theron is getting old.
Blanchet is a million years old (or looks that way anyway).
Swank is uglier than a T-Rex...Edited out by Kel
Jollie is.... wrong and would be just jolie... like Nicholson was Jack with makeup... Besides that, she seems too much for Bale to handle. She is too aggressive and i cant see someone easily standing up to her and her lips.
Rose McGowan is a whore with no talent.
Michelle Monaghan is too sweet unless Nolan takes Catwoman to a completely new direction which i cant imagine. Hopefully to one where she isnt as crazy as the joker and cats dont have reviving powers... Oh yes, and i'd prefer it she werent a whore.... (Damn you Frank!)
Keri Russell... wtf is she?
Rebecca Romijn: who thought of that idea?
Rachel Weisz: Too sweet, getting old, more suitable for Talia
Jessica Biel: I want to have sex with her.... but no
Olivia Wilde wont be able to navigate her huge head over the rooftops of gotham
Penelope Cruz: You gotta be ****ing kidding me! Spanish accent and ugly (why the hell do people think she is beautiful?)

And people dismiss Bekinsale and Marion Cotillard? Wow!!!

As for Alicia Keys, she is one of the most beautiful women on earth and she has a certain attitude and sex appeal about her. She would be perfect for Catwoman if only for that. I am going to downl...err... rent Smoking Aces and judge for myself if she can actually act, but judging by her videoclips and interviews, the woman has the attitude, smile, confidence and charisma to pull it off just by being herself. And i kinda like it when they change the race... Like for example the black Kingpin... If Nolan should choose her, then i have every confidence that he would have made sure that she can act...

I think she at least deserves to audition...

But seriously,
I want to have sex with Jessica Biel...

batboy99

07-20-2009, 11:19 PM

Wow, you are a very big critic aren't you? Did you have some women troubles or something?(kidding of course) Cuz it seems you're giving these women alot of flack for nothing.
Theron isn't getting old, shes around the same age as Bale. Everyone ages anyway. But if you think 35-36 is old, then well, that's just dumb. That isn't old at all, especially when shes around the same age as the person she would be put up against.
Blanchett doesnt look a million years old. If you think thats what they look like, then she must have some amazing genes.
Swank isnt the most attractive, but she isnt ugly.
Catwoman should be a little aggrestive, so points for Jolie there. And I'm sure she wont just be ''Jolie.'' Especially not with a character like this which is just as much about acting as it is action.
Keri Russell is a terrific actress, thats who she is. She also looks like she can be Michelle Pfeiffer's younger sister.
That was a pretty dumb comment about Olivia Wilde. Her head isn't that big. You think that's big? You haven't seen big in the slightest.
Penelope is ugly? Well you must live in a place that has EXTREMELY beautiful women if you consider her ugly.

Mr. Earle

07-20-2009, 11:26 PM

Wow, you are a very big critic aren't you? Did you have some women troubles or something?(kidding of course) Cuz it seems you're giving these women alot of flack for nothing.No, i was basically giving a few words for each one so that i would justify why i am between Cottillard, Bekinsale and Keys. And i was doing it in a more humourous note. I have nothing against anyone of them, but i think that very few of them are appropriate for the role.

Theron isn't getting old, shes around the same age as Bale. Everyone ages anyway. But if you think 35-36 is old, then well, that's just dumb. That isn't old at all, especially when shes around the same age as the person she would be put up against.
Blanchett doesnt look a million years old. If you think thats what they look like, then she must have some amazing genes.Thing is that they are starting to look like mothers, like 45 year old women, not 30 year olds. Blanchet especially when posing for that Benjamin Button poster was like those women in the aging cream commercials. Trying not to move a facial muscle and then photoshopped to hell. Seriously she looks older than Bale and she doesnt fit Selina's appearence at all.

Swank isnt the most attractive, but she isnt ugly.Ehh... shouldnt selina be at least attractive if not stunning? We already had Maggie distracting us with her droopy face...
That was a pretty dumb comment about Olivia Wilde. Her head isn't that big. You think that's big? You haven't seen big in the slightest.Maybe its because her body is too thin. Dunno. She can be stunning at times, and terrible in others...

Penelope is ugly? Well you must live in a place that has EXTREMELY beautiful women if you consider her ugly.Not at all. I just think that she is overestimated. She is nowhere near as beautiful as people make her out to be. I bet if you saw her in the supermarket, you wouldnt give her a second look. She is perceived as hot because she has a bubbly voice and an exotic spanish accent. But her face isnt that pretty. Her beauty is like the king's invisible clothes. All marketing...

batboy99

07-20-2009, 11:34 PM

Its my opinion.
[QUOTE]Thing is that they are starting to look like mothers, like 45 year old women, not 30 year olds. Blanchet especially when posing for that Benjamin Button poster was like those women in the aging cream commercials. Trying not to move a facial muscle and then photoshopped to hell. Seriously she looks older than Bale and she doesnt fit Selina's appearence at all. Im nt even talking in regards to the role for these BTW.

I hated that poster of Cate in BB, she looked totally photoshopped. That isnt what Cate looks like.
And Theron doesn't look like a ''mom'', Weisz, maybe, but not Theron. Shes damn sexy. Id post pics but im too lazy.
Ehh... shouldnt selina be at least attractive if not stunning? We already had Maggie distracting us with her droopy face...Again, not talking in regards t othe role, so no I dont think shes the right choice, but she isnt ugly.
Maybe its because her body is too thin. Dunno. She can be stunning at times, and terrible in others...Ive never seen her look terrible. Some better than others, but never terrible. And she is a little on the skinny side, if she bulks up just a bit, she would look evne more gorgeous.
Not at all. I just that she is overestimated. She is nowhere near as beautiful as people make her out to be. I bet if you saw her in the supermarket, you wouldnt give her a second look. Its like the king's invisible clothes. All marketing...
Shes not stunningly hot, but shes not ugly. I think I would look at her in a supermarket. She has a very beautiful, elegant,graceful look to her which I
adore.

As for Keys, shes gorgeous and I liked her in little part in Smokin' aces, but thats all it was. Little. She hasn't nearly proven herself to be a good actress, nevermind an actress able to step up to a cast like this one. I'd like to see her in a comic role eventually, but considering BB3 will be out in 2011-2013, that still isn't enough time to prove shes capable.(Shes got no other acting jobs as far as we know,so time is running out) She'd have to do ALOT of roles if that were the case. And not rom com roles, real good, dramatic roles.

Mr. Earle

07-20-2009, 11:43 PM

Ive never seen her look terrible. Some better than others, but never terrible. And she is a little on the skinny side, if she bulks up just a bit, she would look evne more gorgeous.Yes, if she bulks up she can be great!

As for Keys, shes gorgeous and I liked her in little part in Smokin' aces, but thats all it was. Little. She hasn't nearly proven herself to be a good actress, nevermind an actress able to step up to a cast like this one. I'd like to see her in a comic role eventually, but considering BB3 will be out in 2011-2013, that still isn't enough time to prove shes capable. She'd have to do ALOT of roles if that were the case. And not rom com roles, real good, dramatic roles.
Well they almost cast Timberlake for GL, so they could give her a chance to audition. Maybe she can act. I am normally against singers in acting roles, because they destroy the illusion (like Will-i-am in wolverine) and always make me question their acting prowess while watching the movie (like: "what the hell are you doing in my movie singer? When did you learn to act? Stick to your art and leave my freaking set"), but in her case, i am willing to give her a chance. I am all for a black, elegant and gorgeous Catwoman like Keys.

PS: I edited my first response in my previous post...

batboy99

07-20-2009, 11:47 PM

Well, Timeberlake has a little more under his belt. He had a fairly good part in Alpha Dog(which I thought he was great in) and he's pretty funny too.

I think I would give her a chance aswell, considering she proves herself more. 3 movies roles(in which two Ive seen and both were small parts) isnt enough to say shes a good actress, especially not good enough for these movies.

But again, I would give her a chance if she gets some more work under her belt. I actually really like her look for Selina/Catwoman suprisingly.

Mr. Earle

07-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Shia Lebouf for Catwoman!:grin:

jaymes_e06

07-20-2009, 11:57 PM

What's with this talk of Alicia Keys as CW?

First

For the peopls saying she can't act you obviosly haven't watched the Secret life of Bees

Second

She will never be a good choice for CW.

Crook

07-21-2009, 12:05 AM

Yes, if she bulks up she can be great!
Well they almost cast Timberlake for GL, so they could give her a chance to audition. Maybe she can act. I am normally against singers in acting roles, because they destroy the illusion (like Will-i-am in wolverine) and always make me question their acting prowess while watching the movie (like: "what the hell are you doing in my movie singer? When did you learn to act? Stick to your art and leave my freaking set"), but in her case, i am willing to give her a chance. I am all for a black, elegant and gorgeous Catwoman like Keys.
We all know you're approving her because she's hot. Terrible reason man. :(

returntovoid

07-21-2009, 12:56 AM

I rather have Rachel Weisz....

I totally agree.

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 05:11 AM

i don't know whether that was racist or stupid but when is racisim smart?

anyways Alicia has a whole lot more talent then P. Diddy. she kicked @$$ in Smokin' Aces and can't think of any hotter of an actress than Alicia Keyes for the role.Racist for suggesting a black person? Then you're a racist too.

Ace of Knaves

07-21-2009, 05:14 AM

Alicia Keyes is a pretty decent actress. But could she hold her own in a high caliber ensemble in the follow up to the biggest movie in a long, long while?

I don't think casting for these roles in these types of movies is as simple as "She/he was good in that movie". There has to be that intangible quality about the actor/actress. A presence that comes from experience. IMO anyway.

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 05:18 AM

Theron is getting old.
Blanchet is a million years old (or looks that way anyway).
Swank is uglier than a T-Rex... Edited out by Kel...
Jollie is.... wrong and would be just jolie... like Nicholson was Jack with makeup... Besides that, she seems too much for Bale to handle. She is too aggressive and i cant see someone easily standing up to her and her lips.
Rose McGowan is a whore with no talent.
Michelle Monaghan is too sweet unless Nolan takes Catwoman to a completely new direction which i cant imagine. Hopefully to one where she isnt as crazy as the joker and cats dont have reviving powers... Oh yes, and i'd prefer it she werent a whore.... (Damn you Frank!)
Keri Russell... wtf is she?
Rebecca Romijn: who thought of that idea?
Rachel Weisz: Too sweet, getting old, more suitable for Talia
Jessica Biel: I want to have sex with her.... but no
Olivia Wilde wont be able to navigate her huge head over the rooftops of gotham
Penelope Cruz: You gotta be ****ing kidding me! Spanish accent and ugly (why the hell do people think she is beautiful?)

And people dismiss Bekinsale and Marion Cotillard? Wow!!!

As for Alicia Keys, she is one of the most beautiful women on earth and she has a certain attitude and sex appeal about her. She would be perfect for Catwoman if only for that. I am going to downl...err... rent Smoking Aces and judge for myself if she can actually act, but judging by her videoclips and interviews, the woman has the attitude, smile, confidence and charisma to pull it off just by being herself. And i kinda like it when they change the race... Like for example the black Kingpin... If Nolan should choose her, then i have every confidence that he would have made sure that she can act...

I think she at least deserves to audition...

But seriously,
I want to have sex with Jessica Biel... Beckinsale is a good choice, Penelope Cruz is ugly, and Alicia Keys is one of the most beautiful women on the planet? Yeah you have officially gone cuckoo.

jaymes_e06

07-21-2009, 05:37 AM

I totally agree.
Seconded.

Salemdog

07-21-2009, 07:01 AM

Theron is getting old.
Blanchet is a million years old (or looks that way anyway).
Swank is uglier than a T-Rex... edited out by Kel...
Jollie is.... wrong and would be just jolie... like Nicholson was Jack with makeup... Besides that, she seems too much for Bale to handle. She is too aggressive and i cant see someone easily standing up to her and her lips.
Rose McGowan is a whore with no talent.
Michelle Monaghan is too sweet unless Nolan takes Catwoman to a completely new direction which i cant imagine. Hopefully to one where she isnt as crazy as the joker and cats dont have reviving powers... Oh yes, and i'd prefer it she werent a whore.... (Damn you Frank!)
Keri Russell... wtf is she?
Rebecca Romijn: who thought of that idea?
Rachel Weisz: Too sweet, getting old, more suitable for Talia
Jessica Biel: I want to have sex with her.... but no
Olivia Wilde wont be able to navigate her huge head over the rooftops of gotham
Penelope Cruz: You gotta be ****ing kidding me! Spanish accent and ugly (why the hell do people think she is beautiful?)

And people dismiss Bekinsale and Marion Cotillard? Wow!!!

As for Alicia Keys, she is one of the most beautiful women on earth and she has a certain attitude and sex appeal about her. She would be perfect for Catwoman if only for that. I am going to downl...err... rent Smoking Aces and judge for myself if she can actually act, but judging by her videoclips and interviews, the woman has the attitude, smile, confidence and charisma to pull it off just by being herself. And i kinda like it when they change the race... Like for example the black Kingpin... If Nolan should choose her, then i have every confidence that he would have made sure that she can act...

I think she at least deserves to audition...

But seriously,
I want to have sex with Jessica Biel...

Since I'm the Wilde fan I'll simply say I don't know about the big head. I don't see it. I see a slightly exotic cast to her face. Some one who has looked good as a blonde, brunette, and brown hair. A not well known actress that may have the ability to hide in the role. And a body that would need minimal work to achieve a more lithe athletic look that would fit the role of a high rise thrill seeking thief. And to top it off she's pretty damn good in House. Just an opinion.

Mr. Earle

07-21-2009, 08:07 AM

We all know you're approving her because she's hot. Terrible reason man. :(As i said, from the interviews of her i ve seen, she has a certain attitude, confidence and elegant sexiness that would fit CW. I will watch a film of hers to see if she can act, but yes, right now, i am basing this on her being beautiful, elegant, and charismatic.
Its easy to take her seriously. She is a woman who writes and sings beautiful music, a multitalented person... She is no Britney. So let her audition. If she sucks, get her off the set! Beckinsale is a good choice, Penelope Cruz is ugly, and Alicia Keys is one of the most beautiful women on the planet? Yeah you have officially gone cuckoo.I have no problem with you disagreeing, but i'd like some justification...

But yeah, cruz's face is kinda ugly...
Since I'm the Wilde fan I'll simply say I don't know about the big head. I don't see it. I see a slightly exotic cast to her face. Some one who has looked good as a blonde, brunette, and brown hair. A not well known actress that may have the ability to hide in the role. And a body that would need minimal work to achieve a more lithe athletic look that would fit the role of a high rise thrill seeking thief. And to top it off she's pretty damn good in House. Just an opinion.As i said, there are times in House where she looks so good, my head is about to explode, and some other times....eh....
But yeah, if she could put on some weight.... she would be amazing...

But i'm a Cameron man myself... She's so cute... :grin:

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 09:13 AM

NOlan picks actors based on oscarworthy performances. Earle picks people based on interviews. :funny:

Mr. Earle

07-21-2009, 09:42 AM

NOlan picks actors based on oscarworthy performances. Earle picks people based on interviews. :funny:Like Katie Holmes, Maggie Gyllenhaal, etc?
Well if WB almost hired Timberlake, why not her?

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 09:58 AM

Like Katie Holmes, Maggie Gyllenhaal, etc?
Well if WB almost hired Timberlake, why not her?Like Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, Morgan Freeman, etc.
BTW Maggie is a 2-time golden globe nominee with performances and Nolan cast her because of her performances in those films that ARE worthy of oscar nominations. A little different from casting a no-talent "singer" like Alicia Keys based on interview huh? Even Katie Holmes have 100 times the resume Alicia Keys has.

Anybody that wants Timberlake for anything is an idiot. Are you?

cerealkiller182

07-21-2009, 10:08 AM

Oscars shouldnt have a lot to do with it. A perk not a necessity. I take the Ron Perlman path of casting. The actor who would do the best job, not the one who has had the most critical acclaim. Perlman isnt a marketable or critically acclaimed actor, but there is no one who could play Hellboy like him. Need to find the right actor for the role, not the best actor on a list of faves.

returntovoid

07-21-2009, 10:25 AM

I still think Rachel Weisz is the best choice for the role, IMHO.

Mr. Earle

07-21-2009, 12:39 PM

Like Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, Morgan Freeman, etc.
BTW Maggie is a 2-time golden globe nominee with performances and Nolan cast her because of her performances in those films that ARE worthy of oscar nominations. A little different from casting a no-talent "singer" like Alicia Keys based on interview huh? Even Katie Holmes have 100 times the resume Alicia Keys has.

Anybody that wants Timberlake for anything is an idiot. Are you?I am saying that people keep their minds open and are willing to give people a chance. I think that they choose an actor based on his ability, popularity and ability to fit and portray the role, not how many movies they have under their belt or their nominations. Not so much anyway. Bale only had one good role under his belt before BB, and that was Bateman and dont get me started on Routh.Oscars shouldnt have a lot to do with it. A perk not a necessity. I take the Ron Perlman path of casting. The actor who would do the best job, not the one who has had the most critical acclaim. Perlman isnt a marketable or critically acclaimed actor, but there is no one who could play Hellboy like him. Need to find the right actor for the role, not the best actor on a list of faves.:up:

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 01:23 PM

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:07 PM

Racist for suggesting a black person? Then you're a racist too.

maybe if i was black...but i'm not just thought your remark is as corny as a white guy impersonating a rapper stereotyping them as moronic simple minded people that lack education and are interested in bling bling women and fancy cars. kind of like the stuff that Fox gets away with.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:16 PM

Beckinsale is a good choice, Penelope Cruz is ugly, and Alicia Keys is one of the most beautiful women on the planet? Yeah you have officially gone cuckoo.

i'll agree that Penelope Cruz is not all that but i wouldn't go as far as saying she's ugly. i'd be surprised if you could pull a chic that looks as good as her. and Kate Beckinsale doesn't hold a candle to Alicia Keys. you might as well have said Jennifer Anniston for christ sakes

cerealkiller182

07-21-2009, 02:18 PM

I am saying that people keep their minds open and are willing to give people a chance. I think that they choose an actor based on his ability, popularity and ability to fit and portray the role, not how many movies they have under their belt or their nominations. Not so much anyway. Bale only had one good role under his belt before BB, and that was Bateman and dont get me started on Routh.

Routh was a mistake. Bale has Empire of the Sun, which did well with critics IIRC, Equilibrium, which is a cult success, and The Machinist, which is had both cult success and some good things said by critics, all before Batman Begins.

:up:

FYI, I'm not backing Alicia Keyes, I still want a real actor, I only think its worth pointing out what characteristics should be held accountable in regards to other characteristics. Keyes still hasnt proven herself capable.

jaymes_e06

07-21-2009, 02:21 PM

i'll agree that Penelope Cruz is not all that but i wouldn't go as far as saying she's ugly. i'd be surprised if you could pull a chic that looks as good as her. and Kate Beckinsale doesn't hold a candle to Alicia Keys. you might as well have said Jennifer Anniston for christ sakes
I actually agree and think that Alicia is a very beautiful woman. The only thing that takes her down a notch is her deap Beary White voice she can sometimes have.

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 02:33 PM

maybe if i was black...but i'm not just thought your remark is as corny as a white guy impersonating a rapper stereotyping them as moronic simple minded people that lack education and are interested in bling bling women and fancy cars. kind of like the stuff that Fox gets away with.You completely lost me, but you did put a smile on my face.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:33 PM

Routh was a mistake. Bale has Empire of the Sun, which did well with critics IIRC, Equilibrium, which is a cult success, and The Machinist, which is had both cult success and some good things said by critics, all before Batman Begins.

FYI, I'm not backing Alicia Keyes, I still want a real actor, I only think its worth pointing out what characteristics should be held accountable in regards to other characteristics. Keyes still hasnt proven herself capable.

i agree some what i honestly think Alicia Keys could do it. everyone is putting the Catwoman role on this pedalstool when i don't think it's that extravagant of a role that's why i basing my choice by look and some acting. but just for casting sake i would like to see her star in a stand alone femme fatale movie or at least co-star to see what she's really capable of. but yes The Secret Life of Bees was a movie i did not see but it got great reviews. she was great in that plus she's very talented. she's not just some low budget stage play actress she's a very credible and incredible woman blessed with talent.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:35 PM

I actually agree and think that Alicia is a very beautiful woman. The only thing that takes her down a notch is her deap Beary White voice she can sometimes have.

its not that deep but then again i don't know if you're one of those guys who likes girls with that squeaky high pitched 7 yr old voice. but yes a deep voice can be a turn off.

Majik1387

07-21-2009, 02:37 PM

We're still going on about Alicia Keys? :dry:

Crook

07-21-2009, 02:37 PM

everyone is putting the Catwoman role on this pedalstool when i don't think it's that extravagant of a role that's why i basing my choice by look and some acting.
With all due respect, that's a high level of ignorance you're displaying there. Many of us have been fans of the character for years, and trust me when I say that Catwoman is not some cookie-cutter female character. She has her place in the mythos (I'd say top 5) and there is enough depth to warrant a very talented actress.

And just as a fan of film in general, any casting choices that put more emphasis on looks over talent is a slap in the face.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:38 PM

:D of course its Alicia Keys fo' life baby

cerealkiller182

07-21-2009, 02:38 PM

i agree some what i honestly think Alicia Keys could do it. everyone is putting the Catwoman role on this pedalstool when i don't think it's that extravagant of a role that's why i basing my choice by look and some acting. but just for casting sake i would like to see her star in a stand alone femme fatale movie or at least co-star to see what she's really capable of. but yes The Secret Life of Bees was a movie i did not see but it got great reviews. she was great in that plus she's very talented. she's not just some low budget stage play actress she's a very credible and incredible woman blessed with talent.

You dont know what shes really capable of. The one movie you use as proof you said you havent seen. Shes worse than a low budget stage play actress, shes a successful entertainer in an other field using her popularity to force herself into an entirely different field that needs talents other than singing well and looking good. Catwoman role wont be recieving an Oscar nom, but that doesnt mean you just start casting with your penis. I think you obviously find her attractive and seems to be your only real evidence of her ability to perform the part.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:41 PM

You dont know what shes really capable of. The one movie you use as proof you said you havent seen. Shes worse than a low budget stage play actress, shes a successful entertainer in an other field using her popularity to force herself into an entirely different field that needs talents other than singing well and looking good. Catwoman role wont be recieving an Oscar nom, but that doesnt mean you just start casting with your penis. I think you obviously find her attractive and seems to be your only real evidence of her ability to perform the part.

forced??? um no she was "given" the roles two different things

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 02:43 PM

With all due respect, that's a high level of ignorance you're displaying there. Many of us have been fans of the character for years, and trust me when I say that Catwoman is not some cookie-cutter female character. She has her place in the mythos (I'd say top 5) and there is enough depth to warrant a very talented actress.

And just as a fan of film in general, any casting choices that put more emphasis on looks over talent is a slap in the face.

she might be a popular character that's about it.

Crook

07-21-2009, 02:44 PM

she might be a popular character that's about it.
I'm willing to bet you're not very knowledgeable on the character.

Mr. Earle

07-21-2009, 02:55 PM

Almost all of Bale's roles were before Batman Begins. There were far more than 1. But even if he only had 1, there wuold be atleast 1. You're basing your suggestion on an interview.
Routh? That guy has never done a good role. And for what I know, nobody praised his SUperman.

There are 3 billion women on this planet. Why should Alicia Keys get to audition over any of them? Why start an audition process when you could just get someone that has proven to be a talanted actress? Of the 3 billion women in the world, how big is the chance that the one that would have made the best acting performance as Catwoman would be famous singer Alicia Keys? Based on an interview?

Im keeping my minds open to anybody in the world. Even Britney Spears which is nothing different from Alicia Keys despite what you think. Anybody should be qualified to play the part IF you have proven to be enough talanted.

Even Im probably more qualified for a Batman villian than Alicia Keys
What can i say man? I like her and i want her in my bat-franchise. Stop being intolerant for crying out loud! I can ask whoever i want, jeez!

As for the interview, well since i cant meet her in person (if only) and i cant judge her from her songs, i am basing this on her interviews and appearences. She only has to be herself to be charming and elegant.

Seriously, no Jolie for me thanks. Unless there's a new villain in town, Lipwoman!
Even Britney Spears which is nothing different from Alicia Keys despite what you think.You ve crossed the line...

she was great in that plus she's very talented. she's not just some low budget stage play actress she's a very credible and incredible woman blessed with talent.That's why i respect her and root for her.With all due respect, that's a high level of ignorance you're displaying there. Many of us have been fans of the character for years, and trust me when I say that Catwoman is not some cookie-cutter female character. She has her place in the mythos (I'd say top 5) and there is enough depth to warrant a very talented actress.

And just as a fan of film in general, any casting choices that put more emphasis on looks over talent is a slap in the face.But lets not hire Swank either, shall we? I think you obviously find her attractive and seems to be your only real evidence of her ability to perform the part.Well, when Nolan is holding his auditions, cant he spare 5 minutes of his time on her? Who knows? Maybe she will prove herself. How can someone prove himself if he isnt given a chance?

For crying out loud there are more proposterous suggestions in this thread, like Swank or Blanchet. Blanchet for ****'s sake! She is an oscar worthy actress, but no way can she be Selina.

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 02:57 PM

There's a difference between putting role on a pedalstool, and not acting like its an extra part.

cerealkiller182

07-21-2009, 03:12 PM

\Well, when Nolan is holding his auditions, cant he spare 5 minutes of his time on her? Who knows? Maybe she will prove herself. How can someone prove himself if he isnt given a chance?

You could say that about a million different actresses in Hollywood. In the ****ing country, let's just give 'em all auditions for all I care. But we dont see the auditions, so what are we supposed to talk about. Nolan will cast who he wants to cast, but given what we KNOW about Keyes, theres nothing about her that says she could do it.

For crying out loud there are more proposterous suggestions in this thread, like Swank or Blanchet. Blanchet for ****'s sake! She is an oscar worthy actress, but no way can she be Selina.

There better choices for Catwoman IMO, but Swank and Blanchett are far from the most proposterous. At least they are known actresses with a body of work that could actually be discussed, as opposed to throwing every good looking woman's name in the air and saying "could be."

THis whole "pedestal" crap has to stop. Cause it seems to me that Lucious Fox's role in the movie is exponentially bigger than his in the actual comic series and is being played by an Oscar winner and 4 time nominee, a highly respected actor. No one should be assuming the actual screentime or emotional weight the role may or may not have.

Crook

07-21-2009, 03:28 PM

What can i say man? I like her and i want her in my bat-franchise. Stop being intolerant for crying out loud! I can ask whoever i want, jeez!

As for the interview, well since i cant meet her in person (if only) and i cant judge her from her songs, i am basing this on her interviews and appearences. She only has to be herself to be charming and elegant.

Seriously, no Jolie for me thanks. Unless there's a new villain in town, Lipwoman!
You must understand why it's very hard for some of us to take you seriously here. Alicia Keys has very little experience in film and it can be argued very well that she has not displayed much potential, if any, for a role of this calibre. But apparently charm, elegance, and beauty during some interviews can make you qualified to be considered for an iconic role in a major motion picture.

On the other hand, we have Jolie. Who is an accomplished actress, nominated for countless awards, has gone toe-to-toe with some acting greats, and is considered one of the top Hollywood beauties. But you're willing to dismiss her completely because of.....the LIPS?!

Explain.

But lets not hire Swank either, shall we?
I've argued against considering Swank many times in this thread. As I've said before, I'm not about to settle for looks OR talent.

Well, when Nolan is holding his auditions, cant he spare 5 minutes of his time on her? Who knows? Maybe she will prove herself. How can someone prove himself if he isnt given a chance?
Nolan hasn't held auditions since he was mandated by WB to screentest actors for Batman. The audition process for Nolan is looking at the actors' previous work. Nolan seeks out the actors he wants and gives them a script. It's their role to lose, not win.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 03:33 PM

jaymes_e06

07-21-2009, 03:37 PM

What? They don't need a "psychotic blonde chick" to play BC. Your begining to sound like a troll. Besides Brittany is much more suited for Harley Quinn.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 03:42 PM

that's how i troll

Darlton

07-21-2009, 03:59 PM

It's so amusing to me when people say "She's a decent actress" and then when criticisms hits them, they say: "Hey, she's a TERRIFIC actress!". Many people here suggesting cast choices fueled by brand identification. They become so attached to their suggestions that they go miles to defend them. It's even funnier when they say: "Hey, don't criticize me! It's just my opinion! I have a right to express my opinion!". Sure, it's your right, but that would be a foul to cry if there was some kind of censoring going on here. It's not the case, though. It's just criticism. Other people see logical fallacies behind your reasons to think that actress is good for the role, and they criticize it. Because it's also THEIR RIGHT.

Everybody it's entitled to their opinions... and everybody else has a right to criticize it. People retreat so many times into defensiveness here that the logic of the debate suffers a lot. Please, people, look to what you're saying. Some of you even make up facts that aren't even there.

Kelly

07-21-2009, 04:16 PM

that's how i troll

Thank you, it makes it much easier on us when people confess right up front....

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 04:28 PM

I'm willing to bet you're not very knowledgeable on the character.

these are just different origins and versions of her

-plane accident causing amnesia turning her to a burglar

-she married Bruce had a child named Helena Wayne The Huntress

-pretends to be prositute to scam men and rob them also kills a pimp to save her sister

-she worked as a child prostitute after escaping from a leader of a gang of thieves named Mother Fortuna

-her parents commit suicide her dad drinks himself to death b/c Selina reminds him of her mother. in this version she goes to an orphanage later

-she learns gymnastics

-she thinks she's the daughther of mob boss Carmine Falcone (Batman: Dark Victory)

-she learns martial arts from the Armless Master (Year One)

yawn yawn double yawn ....who are we talking about again?

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 04:33 PM

Thank you, it makes it much easier on us when people confess right up front....

and he takes me seriousLY :whatever:

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 04:36 PM

It's so amusing to me when people say "She's a decent actress" and then when criticisms hits them, they say: "Hey, she's a TERRIFIC actress". Many people here suggesting cast choices fueled by brand identification. They become so attached to their suggestiong that they go miles to defend them. It's even funnier when they say: "Hey, don't criticize me! It's just my opinion! I have a right to express my opinion!". Sure, it's you're right, but that would be a foul to cry is there was some kind of censoring going on here. But it's not the case. It's just criticism. Other people see logical fallacies behind your reasons to think that actress is good for the role, and they criticize it. Because it's also THEIR RIGHT.

Everybody it's entitled to their opinions... and everybody else has a right to criticize it. People retreat so amny times into defensiveness here that the logic of the debate suffers a great deal. Please, people, look to what you're saying. Some of you even make up facts that aren't even there.

they also do it to be condescending which i think is hilarious

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 04:40 PM

What? They don't need a "psychotic blonde chick" to play BC. Your begining to sound like a troll. Besides Brittany is much more suited for Harley Quinn.

hmmm even better though i haven't heard her use a new york accent (which is Harley Quinn's trademark accent) in any of her roles but i'm sure she could learn.

Crook

07-21-2009, 04:43 PM

these are just different origins and versions of her

-plane accident causing amnesia turning her to a burglar

-she married Bruce had a child named Helena Wayne The Huntress

-pretends to be prositute to scam men and rob them also kills a pimp to save her sister

-she worked as a child prostitute after escaping from a leader of a gang of thieves named Mother Fortuna

-her parents commit suicide her dad drinks himself to death b/c Selina reminds him of her mother. in this version she goes to an orphanage later

-she learns gymnastics

-she thinks she's the daughther of mob boss Carmine Falcone (Batman: Dark Victory)

-she learns martial arts from the Armless Master (Year One)

yawn yawn double yawn ....who are we talking about again?
And what are you getting at? I can do the same exact thing for Bruce and Joker. None of it would amount to saying anything pertaining to the discussion at hand, which is the importance of the character in the mythos.

Kelly

07-21-2009, 04:43 PM

and he takes me seriousLY :whatever:

#1. Had I taken you seriously, the reply would have been a little different...:yay:
#2. She...

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 04:48 PM

#1. Had I taken you seriously, the reply would have been a little different...:yay:
#2. She...

i'm sorry sir :huh:

Darlton

07-21-2009, 04:58 PM

they also do it to be condescending which i think is hilarious

Mind you, I was talking about you. Condescending is all about relativity between the two parts. Sometimes you leave other people no option than to condescend. You say things that range from "You don't know what she's capable of" which is a textbook ad ignorantiam, to "Bale had only done one role before Begins", which is outright lack of information. And if people call you on that, you end up backtracking over semantics. And the biggest problem here is that you have a very superficial view of the character in question. Listing a number of origin plot lines is not knowledge on the character's history, nor its potential. Other people here take the character quite seriously. Which is why they're not proposing Alicia Keys. I have tons of respect for Keys, but she has so little to do with Catwoman, that I think I'd rather see Beckinsale. And I despise the Beckinsale choice.

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 05:16 PM

i'm just gonna throw this out there but to come close to a psychotic blonde chick that Michelle Pfeiffer played I would like to see Brittney Murphy. just b/c of her role in I'll Never Tell. she's got a nice body. grant it she's not the best looking actress but she's far from ugly. and she was also good in Sin City. let the bashing begin.Well atleast you're suggesting an actress. You're not many steps high on the latter, but you're atleast going at the right direction.
Dont know what movie you're talking about. Ive never heard of it and I get no results when I search for it on imdb.

Crook

07-21-2009, 05:29 PM

Well atleast you're suggesting an actress. You're not many steps high on the latter, but you're atleast going at the right direction.
Dont know what movie you're talking about. Ive never heard of it and I get no results when I search for it on imdb.
"I'll never tell" is a semi-famous line. He confused it for the actual movie title, which is "Don't Say A Word" starring Michael Douglas.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 05:30 PM

Well atleast you're suggesting an actress. You're not many steps high on the latter, but you're atleast going at the right direction.
Dont know what movie you're talking about. Ive never heard of it and I get no results when I search for it on imdb.

sorry its called Don't Say A Word i just remember her famous line in that movie I'll Never Tell

but u make it sound like i have to have some kind of percentile of intellegence to be in this debate lol. trying to point me out like i'm some dumb "troll" which i've learned is the terminology made up for people to feel better about themselves by name calling others who just speak their mind or which might irritate the anally retentive but i'm just bored at work. not trying to knock anyone off their high horse especially the ones that don't realize i was being sarcastic ::cough: darlton ::cough:: but no hurt no foul oh and it's spelled L-A-D-D-E-R....see i can be condescending too so i can i still be in this intense debate competition?? :whatever:

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 05:44 PM

sticking to the subject i took a look again and i do agree with Rachel Weisz and as far as Angelina Jolie...only if she was younger. i think her time has passed but she looks like she could've been the number 1 pick about5-7 yrs back

Laderlappen

07-21-2009, 05:59 PM

sorry its called Don't Say A Word i just remember her famous line in that movie I'll Never Tell

but u make it sound like i have to have some kind of percentile of intellegence to be in this debate lol. trying to point me out like i'm some dumb "troll" which i've learned is the terminology made up for people to feel better about themselves by name calling others who just speak their mind or which might irritate the anally retentive but i'm just bored at work. not trying to knock anyone off their high horse especially the ones that don't realize i was being sarcastic ::cough: darlton ::cough:: but no hurt no foul oh and it's spelled L-A-D-D-E-R....see i can be condescending too so i can i still be in this intense debate competition?? :whatever:Sorry I meant it as a compliment. A small one but still.
:funny: Embaressing that I misspelled ladder. Especially consider my user name. I blame the alcohol.

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 06:27 PM

Sorry I meant it as a compliment. A small one but still.
:funny: Embaressing that I misspelled ladder. Especially consider my user name. I blame the alcohol.

it's cool no worries and thanks i'm flattered. but honestly i'm not really some mean condescending a*hole who has to advance his vocabulary when speaking or typing in this case to make me feel good about myself to show what level of intellect i have and try to make someone look stupid or moronic. it's a freakin website about superheroes for god sakes and some people come on here like this is some great political debate with a very sensitive subject. it's Catwoman who gives a flying F i rather see Penguin in the next movie anyway or Riddler if done right. so no worries you're cool...but damn that alcohol lol :lmao:

Kelly

07-21-2009, 06:47 PM

i'm sorry sir :huh:

He is a She....lol....female.....girl....modette.... :cwink:

HughJackFan420

07-21-2009, 06:52 PM

He is a She....lol....female.....girl....modette.... :cwink:

just teasing u sweetie:cwink:

Kelly

07-21-2009, 06:57 PM

Haaaaaaaaaaaa, got it.

RachelDawes

07-21-2009, 07:23 PM

they also do it to be condescending which i think is hilarious

It's not done to be condescending. This is how people react anytime someone suggests a...let's just say subpar candidate. Don't take it so personally.

Crook

07-21-2009, 09:02 PM

it's cool no worries and thanks i'm flattered. but honestly i'm not really some mean condescending a*hole who has to advance his vocabulary when speaking or typing in this case to make me feel good about myself to show what level of intellect i have and try to make someone look stupid or moronic. it's a freakin website about superheroes for god sakes and some people come on here like this is some great political debate with a very sensitive subject.
In turn it's a bit condescending to mock those that at least put effort in creating an interesting discussion and not simplify matters with elementary language/terms.

For some of us, we don't have try and sound smart. Maybe...just maybe, this is au natural. :o

it's Catwoman who gives a flying F i rather see Penguin in the next movie anyway or Riddler if done right.
It's a Catwoman thread. If you don't care, here isn't the best place to be. :huh:

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 12:04 AM

On the other hand, we have Jolie. Who is an accomplished actress, nominated for countless awards, has gone toe-to-toe with some acting greats, and is considered one of the top Hollywood beauties. But you're willing to dismiss her completely because of.....the LIPS?!

Explain.
I respect her, but i dont like her. Too much of a beach... (I mispelled on purpose)
that's how i trollLOL

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 12:08 AM

Mind you, I was talking about you. Condescending is all about relativity between the two parts. Sometimes you leave other people no option than to condescend. You say things that range from "You don't know what she's capable of" which is a textbook ad ignorantiam, to "Bale had only done one role before Begins", which is outright lack of information. And if people call you on that, you end up backtracking over semantics. And the biggest problem here is that you have a very superficial view of the character in question. Listing a number of origin plot lines is not knowledge on the character's history, nor its potential. Other people here take the character quite seriously. Which is why they're not proposing Alicia Keys. I have tons of respect for Keys, but she has so little to do with Catwoman, that I think I'd rather see Beckinsale. And I despise the Beckinsale choice.To be fair, i said he only had one big role. As in critically acclaimed and famous role.

batboy99

07-22-2009, 12:09 AM

Have you met her? How would you know?

And besides, who cares? She'll be acting as someone else, who cares how she is in real life.

Crook

07-22-2009, 12:18 AM

I respect her, but i dont like her. Too much of a beach... (I mispelled on purpose)
Disregarding how that's poignant to one's qualifications for a role, she is a b****, how exactly? She's one of the most kindest celebs I've seen and a wonderful humanitarian. :huh:

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 12:20 AM

Cant i just dislike a person i ve never met? She comes off too strong and mannish. I'd rather have Bekinsale.
Why dont people like her anyway?

Majik1387

07-22-2009, 12:26 AM

Because she can't act for ****'s sake. There's a reason she's only popular for the Underworld movies...

jaymes_e06

07-22-2009, 12:27 AM

I must agree.

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 12:37 AM

Because she can't act for ****'s sake. There's a reason she's only popular for the Underworld movies...Oh well, i thought she was the most popular choice around here but suddenly i learn that she isnt and i didnt know why. I had never really thought about her acting ability... so i cant remember if she is good or not...

Darlton

07-22-2009, 02:03 AM

To be fair, i said he only had one big role. As in critically acclaimed and famous role.

Which is all relative. I knew about Bale first from Equilibrium, and many people I know hadn't seen Psycho when they saw Equilibrium. Which is not to mention Reign of Fire, which was also a pretty big movie with a much more known cast, also prior to Begins.
To be fair, that is called "moving the goalpost".

Ace of Knaves

07-22-2009, 03:01 AM

Wow, alot of nonsense has been spoken in the last couple pages :hehe:

I'm still undecided between Ryder, Cotillard and now Blunt. I think they could all do pretty well with the role.

I SEE SPIDEY

07-22-2009, 03:07 AM

Reading those last few pages made me dumber.

Ace of Knaves

07-22-2009, 03:08 AM

:hehe: right?

Johnny Drama

07-22-2009, 03:13 AM

To be fair, i said he only had one big role. As in critically acclaimed and famous role.

Which even then is a load of BS :huh:

returntovoid

07-22-2009, 04:07 AM

I think Rachel Weisz is the best choice for the role of Catwoman.

As for the age difference, Bale is 35 and Weisz is 38. Not much difference.

To those who do not see her as the character, she can easily transform into the character, the way Heath Ledger did for The Joker

Two-Face

07-22-2009, 04:29 AM

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/Rachel59.jpg

She's a great actress, She would love to jump in ship to work with Nolan & Bale :D

returntovoid

07-22-2009, 04:39 AM

^^^I bet that pic will convince other users on this thread.

Kelly

07-22-2009, 11:11 AM

She's an awesome actress, from what I've heard, very easy to work with.....I think she would fit into the Batman franchise beautifully.....

Two-Face

07-22-2009, 12:08 PM

^^^I bet that pic will convince other users on this thread.

I hope so.

She's an awesome actress, from what I've heard, very easy to work with.....I think she would fit into the Batman franchise beautifully.....

I hope Nolan does include Weisz in his list if he's considering Selina Kyle/Catwoman in the film.

kid dropper

07-22-2009, 12:28 PM

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/Rachel59.jpg

She's a great actress, She would love to jump in ship to work with Nolan & Bale :D

Yeh from the beginning ive never had any understanding for anyone who claimed not to be able to see her in the role. Those calling for a jolie type round the clock sex pot arent really seing all the character's layers. and i mean come on look at that face, those eyebrows, shes perfect

jaymes_e06

07-22-2009, 01:28 PM

Rachel has always been a great choice pretty much perfect. Now if only Nolan will cast this beautiful and talented woman.

Cunning Stunts

07-22-2009, 02:55 PM

Cant i just dislike a person i ve never met? She comes off too strong and mannish. I'd rather have Bekinsale.
Why dont people like her anyway?

Sure. Not in any plausible way though.

regwec

07-22-2009, 04:09 PM

This is such an odd thread, populated by some fairly emotional Hypsters with some very trenchant opinions. It's a shame, in a sense; it is perhaps the thread that would interest me most, were it a free and uninhibited chat about actresses who might be good as Catwoman. As it is, it seems to toggle between blind worship of a given actress, and pugnacious ridicule of any other.

Anyway, I think Weisz would be just fine- as would many other actresses. Is that controversial?

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Even though i like her a lot, i think she would be more appropriate for Talia. She is too sweet to be Catwoman. Then again, i could be wrong...

Rolf

07-22-2009, 04:23 PM

It's been what? A year now, and all I can think of is Denise Richards?

I have little doubt I'm in the right, maybe I should make a manip to prove my validity.:hehe:

Laderlappen

07-22-2009, 04:41 PM

Even though i like her a lot, i think she would be more appropriate for Talia. She is too sweet to be Catwoman. Then again, i could be wrong...She could just simply act not sweet.

Some people seem to want Catwoman as a cold, hard as a rock without any vulnerability(not saying you do). I completely disagree.

Two-Face

07-22-2009, 04:53 PM

It's been what? A year now, and all I can think of is Denise Richards?

I have little doubt I'm in the right, maybe I should make a manip to prove my validity.:hehe:

She's not that great.

Kelly

07-22-2009, 05:21 PM

HughJackFan420

07-22-2009, 05:37 PM

It's not done to be condescending. This is how people react anytime someone suggests a...let's just say subpar candidate. Don't take it so personally.

it's a thread about casting catwoman...what's to take peronsal?:whatever:

i just think its funny how some people try to insult others intellegence

Crook

07-22-2009, 05:43 PM

i just think its funny how some people try to insult others intellegence
:funny:

Majik1387

07-22-2009, 05:46 PM

:hehe:

kid dropper

07-22-2009, 05:47 PM

who is that in your avvy, majik?

bunk

07-22-2009, 05:53 PM

Wow, and all you really needed to type was...

Irony!

Majik1387

07-22-2009, 05:54 PM

^Kate Hudson :heart:

kid dropper

07-22-2009, 05:55 PM

from what movie
never mind i found out, its about adam, right?

Darlton

07-22-2009, 06:02 PM

To those who do not see her as the character, she can easily transform into the character, the way Heath Ledger did for The Joker

Really? Can she do that? Because I've seen her in most of her films and I've never seen her do that.
Besides, that is beyond the point. She's 38, which is not so abd, but she's 38 right now. By the time the movie shift gears into filming, she could be 40. And I've seen her in plenty of action films, always playing the same role, which has nothing to do with Catwoman. Then again, most of her latest roles are very similar, and always too passive and soft to be adequate for this performance, except probably The Constant Gardener, and she was also a maiden in distress at some point in that one.
I'm not saying she can't blend in the character... I'm certain she's a great actress... but she's too acostumed to other kinds of character that have nothing to do with Catwoman. She's far from being the best choice, IMO.

And please, that pic everybody is posting, it keeps on being reposted because it's probably the only one she has a faint catwomanish look. And that pic must date from the Pleistocene. I'm sure by the times "The Lovely Bones" is released, eveybody will have a different opinion of her.
Latex doesn't make the Catwoman.

Those calling for a jolie type round the clock sex pot arent really seeing all the character's layers. and i mean come on look at that face, those eyebrows, shes perfect

Hahahahaha, good lord. My first thought was you were being facetious. The character's layers... and then you talk about the actress physical traits?

Yeah, that's Catwoman's important place in the bat-mythos: She's gorgeous and hot.

batboy99

07-22-2009, 06:10 PM

It's been what? A year now, and all I can think of is Denise Richards?

I have little doubt I'm in the right, maybe I should make a manip to prove my validity.:hehe:
She looks too much like a bimbo. And cant act.

Majik1387

07-22-2009, 06:11 PM

from what movie
never mind i found out, its about adam, right?
Nope.

Nine

Laderlappen

07-22-2009, 06:32 PM

:heart: your Kate Hudson avatars Majik

Cunning Stunts

07-22-2009, 07:50 PM

Wow, and all you really needed to type was...

Yeah, I really don't understand the use for all these fancy words by a select few users around here. This is a freakin' superhero board, not a doctor's forum.

Alex Logan

07-22-2009, 08:21 PM

Alex Logan

07-22-2009, 08:25 PM

Wow, and all you really needed to type was...

No, the rest was needed. I'm sure other have felt the same way from time to time. They were ether afraid to say somthing or just didn't want to take the time to type it out.

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 08:44 PM

Really? Can she do that? Because I've seen her in most of her films and I've never seen her do that.
Besides, that is beyond the point. She's 38, which is not so abd, but she's 38 right now. By the time the movie shift gears into filming, she could be 40. And I've seen her in plenty of action films, always playing the same role, which has nothing to do with Catwoman. Then again, most of her latest roles are very similar, and always too passive and soft to be adequate for this performance, except probably The Constant Gardener, and she was also a maiden in distress at some point in that one.
I'm not saying she can't blend in the character... I'm certain she's a great actress... but she's too acostumed to other kinds of character that have nothing to do with Catwoman. She's far from being the best choice, IMO.

And please, that pic everybody is posting, it keeps on being reposted because it's probably the only one she has a faint catwomanish look. And that pic must date from the Pleistocene. I'm sure by the times "The Lovely Bones" is released, eveybody will have a different opinion of her.
Latex doesn't make the Catwoman.
I second what you say. When i said that she is too sweet, its that we have grown accustomed to her playing roles that are sweet, and not only that, but her face is kind and warm and... sweet.

As for Denise Richards that some others are proposing, lets not elaborate any further: :facepalm

firstclassclown

07-22-2009, 08:47 PM

hey Bunk, no offense, but why does your superman icon have that weird looking "S" on his chest? The original looks so much better.

Marion Cotillard for Catwoman

batboy99

07-22-2009, 08:55 PM

Agreed!

Mr. Earle

07-22-2009, 09:07 PM

So, i have two actresses i would like to propose for discussion. The first one kinda sucks really but what the hell...

What about Rhona Mitra? I was watching Boston Legal lately and was marveling at her beauty. She looks like a man sometimes, but she is smoking! As for her acting... besides that strict english accent she does, i cant say she can do much.... so i guess not huh?

My second and more serious proposition is Jennifer Morrison. If Catwoman isnt bat**** insane this time (and i mean Burton's), and she has some sentimentality behind the mask, Morrison could easily pass as Selina. I find her a terrific actress and as for her appearence, well.. take a look (i specifically chose this pic because she is in latex and it resembles catwoman somehow):
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9626/jennifermorrison2.jpg