Iron Man vs. Hulk JOINT sequel?

[spideymouse]

note: I've posted this in some of the comment boxes in the main superherohype website, but i wanted to get some feedback.

What do you all think of an "Iron Man vs. Hulk" movie to be a 2010 "joint sequel" for the two 2008 movies instead of just Iron Man 2? I know it's only shown up in the comics a few times, but how cool would the Hulkbuster armor look on the big screen? Also, Robert Downey Jr. and Ed Norton squaring off and headlining an amazing supporting cast of Gwyneth Paltrow, Liv Tyler, Terrence Howard, William Hurt, Tim Blake Nelson, Ty Burrell, and Sammy Jackson would rock our socks off.

An Iron Man vs. Hulk movie in 2010 (or 2011; i totally think they should take more time to make this movies good) would totally gear up even more for The Avengers, it would solve some problems of where these two movies left off and each hero's lack of great villains (see below). It would also better concretely establish Marvel movies as a universe, as that is the trend so far. It would also provide some material and history for the Avengers movie (imagine Hulk and Iron Man looking at each other with rolled eyes, "here we go again" or something).

Problem with Iron Man solo sequel (lack of great villains):
While Iron Man lacks great villains besides the Mandarin, his relationship with the U.S. government and S.H.I.E.L.D. (especially these days in comics) and his taking responsibility for his role in military activities is a much more intriguing aspect of his character. You'd think that the Nick Fury post-credits scene necessitates Sam Jackson's reappearance in Iron Man 2.

Problem with Hulk solo sequel (lack of good villains, continuity):
The new Hulk movie left us anticipating a perhaps smarter or controlled Hulk (gray Mr. Fixit?) and The Leader, but what many and most moviegoers will remember is Stark's involvement with General Ross at the end. If a Hulk sequel does not involve Iron Man, most people will go, "WTF where's Iron Man?" Also, like Iron Man, Hulk also does not boast many great villains (besides the obvious future involvement of the Leader).

Problem with movie continuity (Iron Man 2 before The Avengers):
There are now two Iron Man clips directly referencing the Avengers: the post-credits scene in Iron Man, and the last scene in The Incredible Hulk. It follows continuity that an Iron Man sequel would be about what happens after Nick Fury approaches him about the Avenger Initiative and what happens after his conversation with Ross about "putting a team together."
In other words, can you have an Iron Man sequel that doesn't have anything to do with the Avengers after those two clips? If they went off and did a Mandarin, War Machine, Armor Wars, or Demon in a Bottle story, moviegoers would wonder, "what about the Avenger Initiative that Sam Jackson talked about after the credits?" or "what about that team he was talking about at the end of the Hulk movie?"

Side note: Of course, we don't know the timeframe of when the Ross/Stark conversation happens. If it takes place after the Iron Man sequel and right before the Avengers movie, then all this doesn't matter.

In the meanwhile, I'm speculating that the timeframe is this: Iron Man -> Nick Fury scene -> Incredible Hulk & Ross/Stark conversation -> Iron Man 2 -> Avengers
...The odd one out is Iron Man 2 unless it somehow gears up for the Avengers even more; an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel would accomplish just that.

...

I think a good plot for this movie would be to go right off of the last scene of TIH with Stark challenging Ross to also take responsibility for his own career but also offering his help. What's intriguing about Iron Man vs. Hulk is that they're both heroes but sort of on opposite sides of the military (Stark approached Ross at the end, not Banner). Stark, Ross (Army), Rhodes (Air Force or War Machine), and S.H.I.E.L.D. could enlist the help of Sam Sterns (the ambitious but not-yet Leader) and Doc Samson to work on a way to fight or abate any threat the Hulk might pose. Meanwhile, Banner is just trying to lead a semi-normal life, perhaps doubling as the gray Joe Fixit version or something. Iron Man and co. find and capture Banner, each with different intentions: Ross and Sterns want exploit him, Doc Samson wants to analyze and treat him, and Stark and S.H.I.E.L.D. want to recruit him. Cue Stark/Banner debates and arguments--i would love to see Downey and Banner totally go at it: "Mr. Stark, don't make me angry, you wouldn't like it when--" "Oh, calm down and have a drink."
Consequently, Hulk wouldn't be too thrilled about everything and maybe he's angry about Banner's ability to control him. Cue huge Hulk/Iron Man/Army battle, which comes to a standstill and leaves Stark wondering if he's on the right side. Sterns uses this opportunity to try and take over the government as The Leader, with some dubious plan to gain power (possibly using Banner's blood samples and/or Iron Man's technology to create an army of Hulkbusters?), and Hulk and Iron Man have to team up to fight them off and defeat the Leader.

Okay, after re-reading everything I wrote, I realize I'm not much of a writer, and although the idea may be cool, I don't know if there's a good enough story for it. Also, any Iron Man sequel begs for a whole lot more of RDJ than I've given it in my plot synopsis.

Anyway, what do you all think?

EDIT: Look, other fans also want to see something like this happen, and agree that Hulk and Iron Man generally have crappy villains: http://forums.superherohype.com/search.php?searchid=4318990

[DACrowe]

No.

[artemzz]

I don't see that happening because of the schedules made already for upcoming marvel movies.

[spideymouse]

I don't see that happening because of the schedules made already for upcoming marvel movies.

Well, i meant that it would replace Iron Man 2, which is already scheduled for 2010. Since Hulk 2 wasn't announced along with Iron Man 2 (probably because it hasn't proven to be a hit yet), why not make Iron Man 2 an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel?

[artemzz]

double post sorry.

[artemzz]

Well, i meant that it would replace Iron Man 2, which is already scheduled for 2010. Since Hulk 2 wasn't announced along with Iron Man 2 (probably because it hasn't proven to be a hit yet), why not make Iron Man 2 an Iron Man/Hulk joint sequel?

So far Hulk has made $55 million opening weekend. I see Hulk making about the same as Iron Man including DVD's that are going to be released with the extra 70 minutes that were cut from the movie. So Hulk will probably go on to be a success and go for a sequel. There were many hints during the movie that gave way for a sequel. I don't see it happening but the idea of Hulk and Iron man joint sequel sounds like it could happen because of the way the Hulk ended. Stark could build his Hulkbuster suit and use it to try to stop the Hulk. And then just get destroyed by the Hulk in the process.:woot:

[spideymouse]

So far Hulk has made $55 million opening weekend. I see Hulk making about the same as Iron Man including DVD's that are going to be released with the extra 70 minutes that were cut from the movie. So Hulk will probably go on to be a success and go for a sequel. There were many hints during the movie that gave way for a sequel.

Right. What I'm saying is that people will be wanting to see Hulk again, and soon. People want to see Iron Man again, and that demand will be met. It's because of Iron Man's success that Marvel scheduled Iron Man 2 before The Avengers. Going by the same logic, if Hulk is hugely successful, Marvel should also schedule Hulk 2 before the Avengers. Will they? Probably not, because that's a really packed summer with Thor--however, the demand will be there. And a solution would be a joint sequel.

In a few years, people will look back at Marvel movies and link Iron Man with Hulk in the summer of 2008. The two are connected, not just by their promixity of release, but also as the Marvel Studios' first two self-produced movies and by their revolutionary crossovers. As I said in my first post, people will remember Tony Stark from this Hulk movie and expect him in a Hulk sequel (unless Hulk 2 comes after Avengers, which it might).

[spideymouse]

I don't see it happening but the idea of Hulk and Iron man joint sequel sounds like it could happen because of the way the Hulk ended. Stark could build his Hulkbuster suit and use it to try to stop the Hulk. And then just get destroyed by the Hulk in the process.:woot:

I agree with you, artemzz--it's unlikely that they would do this. But how cool would that be?

My only concern is how can Iron Man 2 only be an Iron Man story after the Nick Fury post-credits scene in Iron Man and the end scene in The Incredible Hulk? A solution has been described by what most people have been saying in these threads--a whole lot of cameos--but I would prefer a bigger stepping stone towards the Avengers movie, since both movies point in that direction.

[artemzz]

You are absolutely right. Having a Ironman/Hulk movie together would kick some serious ass. The way TIH ended gave way that Stark could try to help Ross to stop Hulk. Stark could be fighting Hulk with his Mark III suit and some inventions of his and towards the final fight scene we see the HulkBuster suit ready for action.

[spideymouse]

You are absolutely right. Having a Ironman/Hulk movie together would kick some serious ass. The way TIH ended gave way that Stark could try to help Ross to stop Hulk. Stark could be fighting Hulk with his Mark III suit and some inventions of his and towards the final fight scene we see the HulkBuster suit ready for action.

What if Stearns and Stark worked on a team of Hulkbusters using Iron Man's technology (which could lead to an Armor Wars storyline for a later Iron Man sequel) and Banner's blood samples? Then Hulk and Iron Man would have to fight them when Stearns goes rogue, reveals himself as the Leader, and tries to gain power... I suppose that's very similar to the plot of TIH (supposedly good guy helps army then turns on them).

[artemzz]

Yeah that would be cool for sure. If Marvel had the right to all their characters then there would be some fantastic movies come out. Maybe 2 super heroes in one like IronMan/Hulk.
But Sony has rights to Spider-man and I think FOX has the rights to X-Men?
Marvel needs to wait out the contracts for these heroes and then they can make some really great movies. So far in my opinion, Marvel is 2/2. IronMan was a success and Hulk had a great opening weekend and looks like its on its way to success as well.

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/881/881979p1.html

Iron Man 2 Villain Buzz
Will it be the Mandarin or the Hulk?
by Jim Vejvoda (http://movies.ign.com/email.html)





US, June 16, 2008 - Although he has not yet been signed to direct (http://movies.ign.com/articles/881/881254p1.html) the sequel, Iron Man director Jon Favreau has been blogging who fans might expect to see menace Shellhead in Iron Man 2.

In a posting at his MySpace blog (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=102795074&page=4&EntryID=65391631&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=3&Mytoken=B5A3BD45-F992-4D8A-97D3878B771425A056550711), Favreau revealed that "The Mandarin is Iron Man's nemesis and will be incorporated in the sequel. It's true that I am apprehensive about how he is to be presented. In the tech based modern world that we created for (Iron Man), a Fu Manchu style villain with magical/alien tech rings would seem out of place."

Favreau added, "There were early drafts of (Iron Man) where the Mandarin was the main villain, so we've already explored the character to some extent. I am curious to see how he has been treated in his latest books and how that might influence our direction."

He also said, "I've already mentioned War Machine and Mandarin. I have some ideas, but I really need to sit down with Downey and the Marvel guys before we say much more." And when asked about the chances of Obadiah Stane returning (SPOILER ALERT) despite his apparent death at the end of the first film, Favreau quipped, "Stane's death? Do characters ever really die in Marvel? Isn't it like a soap opera?"

When asked about this report (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4491.asp) that claimed the Hulk might pop up in Iron Man 2 (just as Tony Stark did in The Incredible Hulk), Favreau replied, "There are no plans to do so."

[spideymouse]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/881/881979p1.html

Iron Man 2 Villain Buzz
Will it be the Mandarin or the Hulk?
by Jim Vejvoda (http://movies.ign.com/email.html)





US, June 16, 2008 - Although he has not yet been signed to direct (http://movies.ign.com/articles/881/881254p1.html) the sequel, Iron Man director Jon Favreau has been blogging who fans might expect to see menace Shellhead in Iron Man 2.

In a posting at his MySpace blog (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=102795074&page=4&EntryID=65391631&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=3&Mytoken=B5A3BD45-F992-4D8A-97D3878B771425A056550711), Favreau revealed that "The Mandarin is Iron Man's nemesis and will be incorporated in the sequel. It's true that I am apprehensive about how he is to be presented. In the tech based modern world that we created for (Iron Man), a Fu Manchu style villain with magical/alien tech rings would seem out of place."

Favreau added, "There were early drafts of (Iron Man) where the Mandarin was the main villain, so we've already explored the character to some extent. I am curious to see how he has been treated in his latest books and how that might influence our direction."

He also said, "I've already mentioned War Machine and Mandarin. I have some ideas, but I really need to sit down with Downey and the Marvel guys before we say much more." And when asked about the chances of Obadiah Stane returning (SPOILER ALERT) despite his apparent death at the end of the first film, Favreau quipped, "Stane's death? Do characters ever really die in Marvel? Isn't it like a soap opera?"

When asked about this report (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4491.asp) that claimed the Hulk might pop up in Iron Man 2 (just as Tony Stark did in The Incredible Hulk), Favreau replied, "There are no plans to do so."
Yeah, I've read that, Hunter Rider. Then again, seemingly "there are no plans" to bring back Jon Favreau, for some (and no good) reason. Unless...

...could it be that Louis Leterrier is waiting in the wings--since he seemed quite interested in doing more Marvel films--to direct an Iron Man/Hulk sequel? The logical part of me says "probably not," but the geek in me says "yes please!!!"

[Ironfan72]

Iron Man has plenty of good,solid villians and stories, that a Hulk/Iron Man duo sequal is un-appealing to me personally, I'm more interested in seeing Iron Man's universe, save a Hulk / Iron Man fight for Avengers.

[spideymouse]

Iron Man has plenty of good,solid villians and stories, that a Hulk/Iron Man duo sequal is un-appealing to me personally, I'm more interested in seeing Iron Man's universe, save a Hulk / Iron Man fight for Avengers.

I agree with you somewhat. But I also think that many many people would find an Iron Man vs. Hulk movie very appealing.

Anyway, I think this was mostly a response to how Iron Man 2 is scheduled before The Avengers. I agree that any Iron Man sequel should stand alone in his own world (since RDJ is quite the man), and that his stories are appealing enough.

However, it looks like Iron Man 2 will have to lead up to the Avengers movie again, just as IM and TIH have, and just as Thor and Captain America will. If there is a way to address the Avenger Initiative and the "team" he discusses with General Ross in a stand-alone, exclusively-Iron Man story, then I'm all for it. Perhaps Sam Jackson will co-star, perhaps Rhodey will suit up, and perhaps there will be many more cameos.

But I just feel like it will be the third of five movies with cameos and winks and teasers, and I might just want something different. I do NOT want Iron Man 2 to simply point people to the Avengers (again) the way that Pirates 2 simply pointed people to Pirates 3 (I feel that made Pirates 2 weak).

The real solution would be to have Iron Man 2 after the Avengers, but Marvel of course has to milk its cash cow.

Kevin Feige, please show us the bigger picture here!

[spideymouse]

Additionally, making an Iron Man/Hulk sequel would tell a very compelling story (heroes on either side of the law--can someone say Civil War?). It would also act as a revolutionary step toward the validity of future Marvel Team-Up movies--personally I've always liked Spider-Man/Daredevil crossovers. FF2 didn't do so well in doing that, but it had that type of potential.

[spideymouse]

I think the biggest and most valid argument against an Iron Man vs. Hulk movie is that the Avengers has always formed with a preceding "everyone vs. Hulk" battle (both Earth-616 and Ultimate universes tell that story). A preceding Iron Man vs. Hulk movie would cause such an important battle to either seem repetitive or rob the Avengers movie of it.

[carnage17]

does anyone like chicken soup?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

No its crap and you're off topic.

Iron Man still has the Mandarin and Fin Fang Foom to go up against before we run out of baddies. Likewise, Hulk has the Leader, plus a band of gamma-born beasts he'd likely create through his experiments. Just no dogs, please.

[Angamb]

I think is a nice idea for any superhero, but in this case, I think the Avengers movie will have more impact if it is the first time all the characters meet.

[FaT_tONle]

Avenegrs will be the Iron Man vs Hulk movie because I doubt Hulk is just going to start out as an Avengers right off the bat. The Avengers will have to bring him in or something before that can happen. As for Hulk 2... Avengers will be Hulk 2 pretty much. If Norton is still enamored with the character he may do a sequel afterwards. But right now, the best place to sell the Hulk is in Avengers.

[EternalMaster]

Having an immediate cross-over movie this soon is unnecessary. Iron Man needs to have another solo sequel. His character will probably be the biggest single draw to the Avengers movie, so let Marvel build him up to spectacular heights before a cross-over.

[Scooter]

I'd rather not see the Iron Man franchise dragged down like that.

[Angamb]

I'm agreed about Ironman being the main interest of the audience.

I have certain doubts about the other solo movies having the same success as Ironman....

we'll see it next years.

[saberewok]

Man this will be big. I wonder how much fees the A listers will be getting?

[Anubis Raptor]

No.

LMFAO

IDK why but your reponse was just funny to me.

I wouldn't mind seeing a film that pits them up against eachother.

It will be cool.

[spideymouse]

LMFAO

IDK why but your reponse was just funny to me.

I wouldn't mind seeing a film that pits them up against eachother.

It will be cool.
It's funny because I presented my idea, clearly explained my reasoning, and set it up for an educated, intelligent conversation among fine people like yourselves, and all he chooses to utter is a "no" without an ounce of respect.

If this doesn't happen (I doubt it will), the solace I take is that we will most likely see an Iron Man/Hulk battle in the Avengers movie. Of course, the other Avengers will be fighting Hulk too, but I think a main spectacle we all want to see is Iron Man donning Hulkbuster armor and battling it out with the green goliath.

Again, my biggest concern for Iron Man 2 is continuity: any Iron Man 2 storyline will have to lead into the Avengers movie, and I don't know if any of Iron Man's classic stories easily do that: Armor Wars? Demon in a Bottle? Mandarin? Do any of those transition smoothly into Avengers?

[artemzz]

Not really spider. Maybe since Thor is having a cameo we can see IronMan get a big beating from Mandarin and Mandarin is approaching to finish Tony off. He tries to fire his repulsors and they aren't working and all of a sudden he gets a jolt of energy into his suit from some lightning in the sky. :wow:

[catintheengine]

Ok, here is my ideas as far as these Avengers movies go:

Iron Man 2:
- Mandarin needs to still be in the shadows. You're going to need something BIG for The Avengers. We'll touch on that again in a moment.
- Favreau hinted about Stane not actually being dead and gone. Well, maybe he's dead, but not gone. He was somebody influential in a big company. He'd have some sort of a legacy just waiting to be picked up by the next in line.
- A lot of people are clamouring for a Hulk/Iron Man cross-over. A big argument for this is that Iron Man lacks a strong gallery of villains, but people fear that having Hulk in the movie at all would sort of steal the movie away from Iron Man. Here's a fix for that: it was sort of hinted at in Hulk that The Leader would be making some sort of an appearance. Have Samuel Sterns gain access to technology and such things left by Stane. Have him use his immense intellect in conjunction with the technolgy he has 'stolen' from Stane to pose some sort of a threat to Stark. While this is happening, Stark is battling his alcoholism. This opens it up for Rhodey to step up and help him out.

Captain America: I'll explain just what I need to for the tie in for The Avengers.
- Hitler has a secret society backing him lead by a man nick-named The Red Skull (perhaps call the group Red Skull aswell?) This could tie this in to Hitler's interest in the occult. Red Skull is working with another Hitler croonie, Baron Helmut Von Zemo. For the movie have Zemo play the Darth Vader to Skull's Emperor.
- We already know that the film will be a period piece. Have it end with Rogers appearently dying in some frozen over place after defeating Zemo.
- Neal McDonough as Rogers. Just my opinion.

The Avengers: (Deep breath, ok, here we go)
- Open it up with SHIELD finding the frozen body of Cpt. Steve Rogers. The serum has allowed his body to enter a hibernating state for over 60 years.
- SHIELD breifs a group of individuals gathered on The Avengers Initiative. The Avengers Initiative is a project to gather up people with special abilities that could help SHIELD take down Ten Rings, a terrorist group that spans the globe. Ten Rings is lead by a man named Mandarin.
-As it turns out Mandarin is the protegé of Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. What their motives are I haven't figured out yet.




Just some ideas I had on how to tie the movies together.

[spideymouse]

Not really spider. Maybe since Thor is having a cameo we can see IronMan get a big beating from Mandarin and Mandarin is approaching to finish Tony off. He tries to fire his repulsors and they aren't working and all of a sudden he gets a jolt of energy into his suit from some lightning in the sky. :wow:
Well, that would make Thor the hero.

[FaT_tONle]

Iron Man 2 should be full scale Mandarin/War Machine... Mandarin was never a prominent Avengers villain. Baron Zemo is the better Avenger villain... but obviously he'd need help. Throw in Loki and maybe the Leader and Mandarin contributing. I'd personally leave them out. I think Zemo/Loki/terrorist orgainization would be enough of a threat. I could live with Mandarin and Leader having roles but not as main villains.

[spideymouse]

Ok, here is my ideas as far as these Avengers movies go:

Iron Man 2:
- Mandarin needs to still be in the shadows. You're going to need something BIG for The Avengers. We'll touch on that again in a moment.
- Favreau hinted about Stane not actually being dead and gone. Well, maybe he's dead, but not gone. He was somebody influential in a big company. He'd have some sort of a legacy just waiting to be picked up by the next in line.
- A lot of people are clamouring for a Hulk/Iron Man cross-over. A big argument for this is that Iron Man lacks a strong gallery of villains, but people fear that having Hulk in the movie at all would sort of steal the movie away from Iron Man. Here's a fix for that: it was sort of hinted at in Hulk that The Leader would be making some sort of an appearance. Have Samuel Sterns gain access to technology and such things left by Stane. Have him use his immense intellect in conjunction with the technolgy he has 'stolen' from Stane to pose some sort of a threat to Stark. While this is happening, Stark is battling his alcoholism. This opens it up for Rhodey to step up and help him out.

Captain America: I'll explain just what I need to for the tie in for The Avengers.
- Hitler has a secret society backing him lead by a man nick-named The Red Skull (perhaps call the group Red Skull aswell?) This could tie this in to Hitler's interest in the occult. Red Skull is working with another Hitler croonie, Baron Helmut Von Zemo. For the movie have Zemo play the Darth Vader to Skull's Emperor.
- We already know that the film will be a period piece. Have it end with Rogers appearently dying in some frozen over place after defeating Zemo.
- Neal McDonough as Rogers. Just my opinion.

The Avengers: (Deep breath, ok, here we go)
- Open it up with SHIELD finding the frozen body of Cpt. Steve Rogers. The serum has allowed his body to enter a hibernating state for over 60 years.
- SHIELD breifs a group of individuals gathered on The Avengers Initiative. The Avengers Initiative is a project to gather up people with special abilities that could help SHIELD take down Ten Rings, a terrorist group that spans the globe. Ten Rings is lead by a man named Mandarin.
-As it turns out Mandarin is the protegé of Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. What their motives are I haven't figured out yet.



Just some ideas I had on how to tie the movies together.

Those are some good ideas, catintheengine. However, I don't like the idea of Sterns playing a major role in an exclusively Iron Man story, especially with minimal Hulk presence. The Leader has always been a Hulk villain and is arguably his most enduring enemy. I say save him for a TIH sequel.

If you're gonna bring the Mandarin and the Ten Rings into the Avengers plot, I would think they should be at least mentioned, if not be a factor, in the Iron Man sequel as well. I also don't think that the Mandarin is much of an Avengers villain.

[Spider-Vader]

I'm agreed about Ironman being the main interest of the audience.

I have certain doubts about the other solo movies having the same success as Ironman....

we'll see it next years.

I think Caps should do pretty good. It's an all-out war movies. Guns shooting, fists punching, good times (& money) at the movies!


catintheengine I think they should find Caps' body at the end of his movie. You see his "dead" body in the ice along with Skull's then fade out, everyone thinks it's over but wham! Have some big artillery noise with a SHIELD group (& Stark) finding his body. So average people don't leave the theater saying "WTF, he's dead in his first movie?"

[Nathan Petrelli]

Iron Man 2

Iron Man beats whoever the villain will be in Iron Man 2, then Iron Man and Hulk cross paths, and the scene fades right when the Avengers show up behind Iron Man and Hulk lets out one of his roar's (obviously hinting he is getting angrier and stronger) and that will be the kick off to Avengers

And if you stick around after the credits, Wolverine comes out of no where, attacks the Hulk and gets ripped into 2

[Lauryn2000]

I rather see them together (bickering) in the Avengers.Than fighting against each other,but I could see a Hulk vs Thor....:bh:..."What is this monstrousity?"--Thor....."Hulk smash tiny human"-Hulk....:bh:

[Hiruu]

It would be a big film...Hulk fights Iron Man/War Machine...they then team to defeat Mandarin and Leader!

[Lord Blackbolt]

You know, I think a Ironman hulk movie would be great. It could set up the avengers movie. Introduce the Leader and his army of monsters, vs Hulk and Ironman and his army of Hulk busters.

It could be epic.

[catintheengine]

catintheengine I think they should find Caps' body at the end of his movie. You see his "dead" body in the ice along with Skull's then fade out, everyone thinks it's over but wham! Have some big artillery noise with a SHIELD group (& Stark) finding his body. So average people don't leave the theater saying "WTF, he's dead in his first movie?"

I actually had a similar idea in mind, only my thought was that they kind of leave it ambiguous (at least to the average movie goer) whether Rogers dies at the end of the Captain America, then open up the Avengers movie with a SHIELD group finding him.

[SFII]

a joint sequel of Iron Man and The Hulk would give no reason for a plot for The Avengers movie then.
it seems more than likely that The Avengers movie will be based upon The Hulk being the bad guy, while Iron Man and friends try to defeat it(The Hulk).

Iron Man 2 could have a sideplot of Tony Stark working on gathering a team for The Avengers, and working on weapons to use against The Hulk. but ofcourse the main plot is Iron Man VS Mandarin.

[Bren]

While I think the 'joint sequel could be a good, fun idea, I don't think Marvel are going to be pushing the Hulk too much until the Avengers film.

I would say it's pretty simple how to incorporate the 'initiative' issue in IM2.

Here are the points (imo);
Stark has already said he is going to stop making weapons in IM = cashflow problem.
Stark has an ego (seen through the whole of IM) and doesn't want to be part of a team (reason for him not to be in IM2).

Then he kills 2 birds with one stone;
He agrees to sell weapons soley to SHIELD. This guarrantees an income and relative little chance of them landing in the wrong hands like in IM.
By doing this, he's fobbing off Fury's constant demands to join the team.

Have Fury mention a couple times about the atrocities occuring that he could be helping stop, so we get the fact that 'he's not the only superhero'. It's a big world still, not everything is going to happen near Stark's office block.

He fights his own villian, but at the end have him seriously reconsider his solo decision. Have him tell Pepper, "what if next time I don't win..." type of line.

End it with him walking into Fury's office (to join).

[Figs]

It sounds like a really cool and fun idea and believe me...I would love to see Stark go against Hulk in the Hulkbuster armor.

Only problem is, being such a big fan of Iron Man from the comics to the new film...I really want them to focus on Stark/Iron Man and hopefully do the "Demon in a Bottle" story.

That and I want to see the Mandarin hopefully.

[LadyKayoss]

Couldn't we have a joint film AND an Iron Man sequel? Both have their merits. The joint film could introduce the Hulkbuster armor, and seeing two comic heroes as foes isn't something we've seen on film before (I don't think; please correct me if I'm wrong!) Since I've heard several people say that IM doesn't have any really stand-out villains, this could solve that problem nicely.

And IM2 could do 'Demon in a Bottle,' which I really want to see!

Plus, having multiple movies with RDJ as Tony Stark is no bad thing...

[3dman27]

one problem dosent UNIVERSAL still have the rights to the hulk?

[Heretic]

I really think you leave Hulk out of iron man 2, and just deal with him in The Avengers. make Hulk a central character to the movie, and hopefully people will care more about Hulk and might go see a future Hulk sequel in greater numbers.
i hate that Thor is going to be in it because id really rather they just give him a trilogy of epic scale, and then include him into The Avengers in some far flung sequel in that franchise...

Iron Man 2- Banner is in custody and is shown briefly, his Hulk persona kept down, but Stark doesnt agree with how he's being treated. Meanwhile, Stark takes on the Ten Rings. I guess theres some sort of brief nod to Thor, but the character doesnt actually appear. In the end The mandarin is born, The Leader rears his head with betty, and Hulk re-emerges and escapes from captivity to rescue betty.
Thor-sadly, you rush his story so he can fit into Avengers...
captain America- WW2, ends with cap on ice...
Avengers-starts with Hulk confrontation/The Leader. Hulk joins the team and they band together to fight The mandarin and Fin Fang Foom. Maybe show some tie between the red Skull and his group now funding terrorist groups such as Ten Rings.

Iron Man is what its all about box office-wise, so his villians should take center stage in Avengers...regardless of what the comic book does.

Oh, and a future Hulk sequel...he fights the U-Foes, and gets help from the then marvel Studios controled fantastic Four, revitalizing that franchise.

[Rich Santoro]

The thing to consider with these cross-overs and tying it altogether is that there is already a backstory with SHIELD. They were already working to build a super-team when Fury met with Ironman.

We can consider that they already had a few recruits in place like Pym and perhaps Wasp... They would be intro'ed in the Avengers...

Maybe Cap whas already been discovered and thawed, and is in training and therapy to recover from decades on ice. He wouldn't be ready for action for years... This can be portrayed at the end of the Cap movie...

Vision is being constructed... Perhaps gets a cameo in the Avengers film as being partially build (ready for A2)...

Black Widow is associated as a SHIELD agent, if not, perhaps a full Avengers recruit already... And could be a cameo in Avengers (as just an agent), or a intro'ed as a member in Avengers...

So the timline goes... They have already have found Captain Steve Rogers, thawed him out, and spend a few years doing therapy and training to get him back up to 100%. Finding Cap may have actually been the genesis to the idea of forming a super team (not to mention all the new intelligence on super baddies out there).

As Cap neared readiness to return to the field, Fury stepped up his efforts to recruit more members. Pym and Wasp and Black Widow could already be internal figures...

SHIELD found out about Stark and approached him as a recruit...

They already knew about Banner and the situation with the Hulk... and were keeping tabs on Ross as he tracked the Hulk. That is why Fury had Stark touchbase with Ross at the end of TIH... to help them track Banner just one more time (but this time, not to engage... let SHIELD handle that, this go around).

So... IM does not have to appear in the Hulk sequel... the linkage can be fullfilled with SHIELD being involved. The military tracks the Hulk again, and this time SHIELD wants to reach out, or capture, or something (maybe with Stark Technology). Stearns is in the background trying to re-create the Hulk because he is so fascinated with the power... but comes up with some other baddies. He does what bad guys do and causes problems. SHIELD and the Hulk (with a more "in-control" Banner) work together to save the day. Banner reluctantly joins the Avengers seeing that he has to do what he can to control the Hulk within and use these powers to beat the bad guys.

IM2, has a contiguous timeline with TIH2... SHILED gets intel on the man behind the Ten Rings operation (the Mandarin). Fury discusses with Stark, but Stark gets ahead of himself and goes out to investigate and do something about it himself. This could be a part of his hesitancy to join a team, etc... as Bren mentioned (that could be a good angle, with the direct tech and weapons sales to SHIELD, etc). IM2 unfolds with the Mandarin story-line (a linkage is mentioned regarding the Red Skull and/or Zemo, as a loose associate with the Ten Rings directive... Which is to topple the current world power structure). IM prevails (narrowly) and then Fury turns up to take the Mandarin into custody... then Bren's final comment on IM plays out, where he reconsiders team involvement.

Cap is a period piece to intro the character, lay out his origin... then bring him up to speed on todays' timeline. The movie would conclude with the flow of things where Cap is discovered in the ice, thawed, trained and prepped to get back in the action... and all the while, intel is coming in about a loosely associated grouping of secretive power brokers doing bad things... Skull and/or Zemo is mentioned and Cap is ready (movie ends)... Next is Avengers...

I haven't figured out Thor yet... Maybe his movie is in Asgard. Ends with Loki being banished to Midgard. Leads into Avengers with Loki joining Zemo/Skull/whoever... then warps uses spells to freak out the Hulk, Thor has to come to help wrangle the Hulk and defeat Loki. Joins the team...

[srnrew]

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/iron-man/9-1.jpg

May not happen, but would be sweet to see visually

[kyuubijavi1]

Ok, here is my ideas as far as these Avengers movies go:

Iron Man 2:
- Mandarin needs to still be in the shadows. You're going to need something BIG for The Avengers. We'll touch on that again in a moment.
- Favreau hinted about Stane not actually being dead and gone. Well, maybe he's dead, but not gone. He was somebody influential in a big company. He'd have some sort of a legacy just waiting to be picked up by the next in line.
- A lot of people are clamouring for a Hulk/Iron Man cross-over. A big argument for this is that Iron Man lacks a strong gallery of villains, but people fear that having Hulk in the movie at all would sort of steal the movie away from Iron Man. Here's a fix for that: it was sort of hinted at in Hulk that The Leader would be making some sort of an appearance. Have Samuel Sterns gain access to technology and such things left by Stane. Have him use his immense intellect in conjunction with the technolgy he has 'stolen' from Stane to pose some sort of a threat to Stark. While this is happening, Stark is battling his alcoholism. This opens it up for Rhodey to step up and help him out.

Captain America: I'll explain just what I need to for the tie in for The Avengers.
- Hitler has a secret society backing him lead by a man nick-named The Red Skull (perhaps call the group Red Skull aswell?) This could tie this in to Hitler's interest in the occult. Red Skull is working with another Hitler croonie, Baron Helmut Von Zemo. For the movie have Zemo play the Darth Vader to Skull's Emperor.
- We already know that the film will be a period piece. Have it end with Rogers appearently dying in some frozen over place after defeating Zemo.
- Neal McDonough as Rogers. Just my opinion.

The Avengers: (Deep breath, ok, here we go)
- Open it up with SHIELD finding the frozen body of Cpt. Steve Rogers. The serum has allowed his body to enter a hibernating state for over 60 years.
- SHIELD breifs a group of individuals gathered on The Avengers Initiative. The Avengers Initiative is a project to gather up people with special abilities that could help SHIELD take down Ten Rings, a terrorist group that spans the globe. Ten Rings is lead by a man named Mandarin.
-As it turns out Mandarin is the protegé of Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull. What their motives are I haven't figured out yet.




Just some ideas I had on how to tie the movies together.

Those are really good Idea's but I'm seeing Hulk being the villain in the avengers, Mandarin would be the main guy in Iron-man 2. Its true bucket head doesn't have that many villains or at least interesting ones after him, so he should show up in the second and pull a Vader and actually win so he can be taken down in the 3rd especially if there going to introduce the drinking stage of Tony's life. But other than that I wouldn't mind seeing your story line pan out :hehe:

[Mr. Joker]

Eh, no, bad idea. Besides, the Hulk will more than likely get his own sequel. If anything, they could just have the two have a few battles.

[bullets]

I'm no longer excited about the hulk based on what Norton has said.

[Illusion Master]

Personally I think a "Iron Man vs Hulk" joint movie would be horrible.

[Danalys]

it'd be so much more simple if they bumped back thor and the avengers a year and had a TIH2. so you'd have IM2 and TIH2 in 2010, Thor and Captain America in 2011 and Avengers in 2012. and since it could be such a massive film it could be the only one on their slate that year.

IM2 and TIH2 push the timeline along up to the begining of the Avengers. Thor and Cap being in the past and ending with them in modern times just before the Avengers. so they are all at the right point in time.

so then you can have the leader and hulkbusters (stark tech) in TIH. the hulkbusters would be a stop gap till they got their team together. during these events ironman can be busy in the events of his own film.

ironman would be busy with the manderin. now some might like to build the manderin up more and use another villian but on the schedual of those films an ironman 3 wouldn't be out till 2013, and people might be impatient.

[FaT_tONle]

Thor would be murdered in summer 2011. Unless they settled for a holiday or spring release. Everyone wants at least one Hulk sequel... but the movie just did not make enough money. There is no reason to do another even higher budget sequel... a joint sequel would have been very interesting but then you'd have been holding an Iron Man sequel back by using the Hulk. They want to get Avengers by 2011 IMO so they have some continuity with 2008 TIH Hulk... including getting Norton back sooner rather than delaying and letting him walk. TIH2 in 2012 can work nicely though... but I don't know how much money it would take for Norton to get on board for two films back to back... especially when the character has not proven to be a draw.

[Danalys]

at one time i was thinking it would be alright for the actors doing films back to back since one film could have more of their alterego, but afer watching TIH extras and seeing the work the actors of the alteregos put into performance capture of their hero character it could be too much work. what are they going to do about cap tho. since it'll be the actor that plays cap the majority of the time in both his films and the avengers.

[luca_frontino]

It would be awesome to have a 90 minutes pure fight of Hulk vs Iron Man.
But no one should win. Just want the biggest cinematographic battle ever.